Subject: Re: Ronette's Dream From: hekunze@watmsg.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze) Date: 1990-10-04, 18:00 Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks In article <554@news.chips.com>, bmay@chips.com (Brad May) writes: > > The first sequence shows BOB kneeling over Laura. This is *not* in the rail > > car, it is in the kitchen of some cabin! I think it's Jaques' cabin, but not > > sure. Bob is just quietly watching her. I can't tell if Laura is alive or > > dead (if dead, the dream is not in chronological sequence). At the end of > > this sequence, there is a reddish glow (like fire) coming through the window > > that grows until it floods the room. I disagree with you here. My roommates and I went through this scene frame-by-frame and this sequence *was* in the train car. BOB is not quietly watching her, either. Watch it again. First we see the outside of the train car with it's windows glowing green. Then we pop inside the car and see Laura lying on the ground and BOB squatting next to her. BOB has his hands around the hill of dirt that was found in the train car and one can actually see a piece of paper lying on the dirt between his hands. The frame right after the flash of light is best to determine that this is indeed the case, and, to top it off, it's even clear that the paper has the same shape as the "Fire...Walk With Me" paper. The other evidence that Coop found in the train car is also lying around. There also seems to be some sort of twine lying in the lower right hand corner of the screen - perhaps the twine used to tie Laura up? BOB is performing some sort of ceremony here. > > Second sequence shows BOB running at viewer through a doorway. Doorway is > > *not* the hospital corridor or door of Ronette's room, as some have posted. > > It is a wooden double-door, with a wooden moulding, definetely some kind of > > house (or the same cabin). The walls are painted off-white, but aren't tiled > > like the hospital. I don't know if it's possible to recognize the door from > > old tapes, but maybe some video sluth can recognize it. Okay. I've reviewed the scene frame-by-frame again and made some notes. The scene begins right after Coop is shown lying in bed, with his eyes open, after the Giant has left. First we see a hallway, call it Corridor #1, with lotsa yellow doors on it and no sign of activity. Then we see a second hallway, call it Corridor #2, which seems to be more of a main corridor of the hospital. About halfway down the screen, if you don't mind thinking in 3-D, is a wooden framed passageway. Note the objects on either side of this passageway and the way walls come off it. Then we cut to Corridor #3, with lotsa fluorescent lights on the ceiling. After a couple of seconds, the camera starts to move down Corridor #3. Then we cut to Ronnette's room. Then back to the camera moving down Corridor #3. Back to Ronnette, her arms rising. Back to moving down Corridor #3. Back to Ronnette, her arms rising further. Then to the train car scene, described earlier. It was our (my roommates & myself) contention that the doorway that BOB is shown running through could be the doorway in Corridor #2. Yes, you're quite right that there are double doors, but I recall seeing something with that design in some other hospital scene, so, although it is impossible to tell if the doorway in Corridor #2 has double doors, it could be. Without frame-by-frame, it may be difficult to pause your picture when the train car scene has been pretty much faded out and we can still see the doorway BOB is running through. One thing is clear: The doorway is not the door to Jacques' cabin (no double door) and not the door to the train car (ditto). Perhaps it's the "gate" from this supernatural netherworld that we're beginning to believe exists. But it sure seems to be that doorway in Corridor #2. > > If this is Ronette's dream, it is a subjective view, right? That would mean > > BOB was running at Ronette, not Laura. The show cuts directly to Ronette in > > her room, she is reacting to the dream by throwing her arms in front of her, > > presumably to fend off BOB. We wondered about this too. I'm not sure how the dreams of a someone who has been in a coma and was certainly on drugs and scared stiff at the time that she is remembering should be interpreted. > > Third sequence has the camera looking up at BOB, viciously beating the > > subject, alternating with views of demonic Laura screaming, blood in her > > mouth. Again, if this subjective view, BOB is beating Ronette. That jives > > with the fact that Laura dies of many small wounds inflicted by Waldo the > > bird, while Ronette had the heavy bruises and more serious wounds. Also, > > BOB and Laura are seen from different angles, so I don't think Laura's > > face is being superimposed over BOB's, or they are the same person, or any > > of those theories. I can't tell where they are (cabin or rail car). It looks like a vicious beating to me too. But one of my roommates thinks he trying to get Laura's heart to beat! Hard to buy. I tend to agree that he is probably beating Ronnette, since she is flailing to defend herself while remembering this. > > Fourth sequence shows BOB sqatting over Laura, definitely now in the rail > > car. We see cuts to the mound of dirt and the "Fire--walk with me" note. > > The camera lingers on dead Laura's face, then pans down her body and up BOB's > > body. BOB is squatting, his hand on his knee (not the snout of an animal-- > > sheesh!). We catch a glimpse of his face; he is *sad*, even crying I think. > > Then he looks to the sky and screams, in what sounds to me like *grief* > > (yeah, it's hard to tell with the sound effects). Yep. I almost think he came in after the "third man" had practically killed Laura, knew she was going to die, thought Ronnette had something to do with it, beat Ronnette for revenge and then cried for Laura. Perhaps BOB is upset because he wanted to be the instrument of Laura's demise, and is down-right pissed that someone else beat him to it. In which case, we can expect him to try and exact more vengeance in the upcoming episodes. > > Reviewing this changed my thinking completely. I think BOB is not Laura's > > killer at all, but was her lover and grieved her death. The stuff at the > > rail car was some sort of pagan funeral ceremony BOB held for her, before > > "burying" her in the river. It was BOB who attacked Ronette, possibly in Funeral ceremony? Perhaps. It seems to me that the Log Lady has established a link between fire and the devil (actually telling Coop that "Fire is the Devil"), so I've always taken the "Fire...Walk With Me" to mean "Walk with the Devil" or something like that. Perhaps BOB is a devil worshipper. > > revenge for her killing (or having part in) killing Laura, possibly in a fit > > with (assuming she was already dead when BOB finds her)? I think this third > > man was the one who tied Laura up the second time. Hey, have they said how > > (ugh!) to the third man's identity. Also, how did Bob get Laura (esp. if dead) > > and Ronette to the rail car? Since we see Laura's screaming face a few times in the final scene, I kinda figured that she was still alive when BOB showed up, but near death. Laura was tied up in the cabin when Leo left and Jacques was not conscious. Perhaps Ronnette untied Laura and they went to train car alone and were interrupted by someone. Or perhaps a third man whom they trusted came to the cabin and untied Laura and led the girls to the car. In any case, the third man essentially kills Laura. BOB shows up and acts as we've figured out, then leaves. Then Leo shows up and figures he better clean up 'cause this mess could linked to him. So he ties Laura up again (Ronnette has left the cabin already), drives home (maybe he knows that Shelley's working), wraaaaps her in plaaaastic (we saw a lot of plastic in his house; he's renovating), and drives to the lake and dumps her body. There's probably lots of holes in this argument, 'cause I haven't really thought it over yet. For example, why the letter under the nail? Comments? Herb...