Subject: Jayembee's Dugpas [by request]
From: mpax@pbs.org (Cool Bean)
Date: 1991-04-23, 11:33
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks

Due to the fact that I am not a computer wizard, I have been unable
to forward the kindly sent message from jayembee about the dugpas as
requested by some of you.  Therefore, I will now retype it.  

I said:  And when they showed that tape of WE at Project Blue Book, he
         was talking about the evil sould and that they are called
 ______????  What did they say they were called?  

Someone Else:  They were called the Black Lodge.

Jayembee:  No, what "Cool Bean" is looking for is "dugpas".

J [from now on]:  Way back when the Major first mentioned the White Lodge
to Coop, I posted the following.  Seems like a good time to repost it...
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Major Briggs:  "There are powerful forces of evil.  It is some men's fate
to face great darkness.  We each choose how to react.  If the choice
is fear, then we become vulnerable to darkness.  There are ways to
resist.  You, sir, were blessed with cerain gifts.  In this respect,
you're not alone.  Have you ever heard of the White Lodge?

Cooper:  "The White Lodge.  No, I don't belive I have."

Well, Cooper hasn't, but I have.  I don't know of any other "legitimate"
source for the reference, but following are quotes from the fantasy
adventure novel THE DEVIL'S GUARD (a.k.a. RAMSDEN) by Talbot Mundy,
first published in 1926, and sadly out of print for the last 20 years.
The page numbers cited are for the 1968 Avon Books paperback edition,
though if you happen across a different edition and are inclined to look
up the quotes, they can be found in Chapter XII, entitled "Dugpas".

[Background:  James Schuyler Grim (a.k.a. Jimgrim") and his companions
Jeff ramsden, Narayan Singh, and Chullander Ghose are hired  to find 
Elmer Rait, a fellow American who's disappeared in Tibet.  Along the way,
they are beset by perils both natural and human.]

Gring went on talking:  "It's known, even in this monastery that the
dugpas have caught Rait.  Dugpas is the name for sorcerers who 
cultivate evil for the sake of evil--that's as close as I come to 
understanding it--they're vaguely like the Klai-worshippers of India.  
The people Rait set out to reach,, and whom we want to reach, are the
students of Life, so to speak--much in the same way the Luther Burbank
studies botany, for the love of it.  The dugpas are as much their enemies
as the Law of gravity is the enemy of the will to rise.  Rait had
intelligence enough to work his way into the outer fringe of the dugpa
mysteries, but that was his limit.  He began to try to use the Dalai Lama's
letter that he stole from Mordecai.  The Dalai Lama--or the Kun-Dun as they
call him-- and the Tashi Lama of Shigatze, are the trusted outer 
representatives of the inner secret White Lodge, whose headquarters is said 
to be Sham-bha-la."  (p. 120-1)

Lhaten was talking..."--No, the White Lodge is not at Sham-bha-la, but some
of its brotherhood live there.  The White Lodge never interferes with 
individuals, as such, any more than Nature may be said to interfere with 
individuals, as such.  The greatest good of the greatest number always; and
no favorites.  Do the stars, for instance, limit teir light to individuals?
Yet one learns more about them than another.  How?  By trying; by 
concentration on the study.  do the stars come nearer?  No.  do they treat
him differently?  No.  Neither does the White Lodge make distinctions.  It
is secret, just as electricity was secret before Thales, Golbet,
Faraday, and all of the others following them, discovered something about
it.  Electricity was thee, always, but they had to find it; and having found
it they could give it to the world, to use or misuse.  Was electicity confined
to any one place?  No.  Neither is the White Lodge confined to any one place.
But some places are more suitable than others, just as thee are certain places
where it is more practical to establish electric plants..."

"How has the White Lodge kept its secret all these years?"  Grim asked.

"Who kept the secret of electricity?" Lhaten answered.  "was there any need
to keeep it, while men were too stupid, or too busily engaged in cutting one
another's throats (which is the same thing!) even to look for it?  They were 
too superstitiious to dare to investigate; afraid to be mocked or burned for 
heresy.  Nowadays men know not much more, and they are as supersitious and as
cocksure as ever.  Nine tenths of them will mock you if you speak of the 
existance of the White Lodge; of the remaining tenth, some will try to put 
you in a lunatic asylum, some will curse you in the name of their religion,
and theremainder wil try to belive you for various reasons, mos of them 
selfish..." (p 124-5)

"To pursue evil, a man must have evil tendencies which will increase through
cultivation as he becomesmore and more responsive to the impulses that 
govern evil.  OWLS LIVE IN THE DARK.  [emphasis - jayembee]
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
While whales swim in the sea.  Men with scientific tendencies discover Laws
of nature.  Only those who have the character pertaining to the path they 
choose can succeed in the end; and though a shoemaker, like Kabir, can b
become a poet, that was because he had the poet's nature.  In the same way,
only they who have the necessary character can find or be eceived into the 
White Lodge, although anyone can receive its benefits, as anyone may read 
the poems of Kabir." (p. 128)

**Any typos are mine. [Cool Bean]

--Cool Bean
-- **This is not cultural.