Subject: Re: lots of finale stuff (SPOILERS!!!)
From: larryy@Apple.COM (Larry Yaeger)
Date: 1991-06-12, 17:50
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks

In article <1991Jun12.031830.11584@risky.ecs.umass.edu> giovin@medr3.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
> >In article <53901@apple.Apple.COM> larryy@Apple.COM (Larry Yaeger) writes:
>>> >>>[and referring to my interpreting a petroglyph symbol near the circle of
>>> >>>trees as the Black & White Lodges]
>>> >>>I can see how you interpreted the symbol this way, but doesn't it look
>>> >>>more like a small well of water?
>> >>
> >[drawing and other stuff deleted]
>> >>... Hence the top portion is
>> >>completely shaded in as white, and the lower portion is a doubly-ringed black
>> >>oval.  Doesn't really look like a well.  And it's not in the center of the
>> >>ring, but outside just to the left on the "map".  The Access Guide has a
>> >>good rendering of the petroglyph (even though it has a statement to the
>> >>effect that no cave markings were ever found or some such in the text?).
> >
> >Your drawing looks different from the one I'm talking about.
> >I was referring to the symbol directly to the left of the circle of
> >trees.  This drawing has the top portion shaded black and the other two
> >sections with no shading (white).  The separation between the regions is
> >in a wavy form (i.e. water) and the sides turn up like the sides of a
> >deep puddle or small (tiny) body of water.  Is this the symbol you mean?
> >Either way, I think that the map clearly marks the lodges as being above
> >the circle of trees.  There is a wavy line like a curtain with a dot in
> >each wave.  Above this are the LMFAP and the giant along with a large
> >colored circle and three other symbols.
> >
> >By "a dot in each wave" I mean something like this:
> >./\. /\. /\. /\. /\. /\  
> >/. \/. \/. \/. \/. \/. \
> >
> >Rocky Giovinazzo

Hmm, we're definitely talking about the same symbol.  I can't make out any
wavy interface between the black and white portions on my screenshot, but
then I can't make out anything that looks like turned up sides either.
Guess I'll have to dig out the Access Guide.  I suppose the symbol could
be a pool with oil over water or somesuch.  Still looks suggestive of the
Black and White Lodges to me, though.

I see the wavy line with dots above the circle, and I can understand how
you'd interpret it as a curtain.  Not that it necessarily disqualifies
the interpretation, but the line that makes up that wave extends on beyond
the wavy portion, and looks like any of the other terrain and river
demarcations.  And other, very similar wavy line segments appear at various
places around the map (e.g., immediately to the left of the crab-shaped
set of lines at the bottom, and again further left after a near vertical
straight line), though no others have the dots.

Dunno... for the time being (as if it really matters) I'll stick with my
interpretation of the black & white symbol as the location/door-to the
Black & White Lodges.

I'm glad we get to carry on these discussions here!  I have been feeling
profoundly sad since the show ended... between the (at least temporary)
possession of Coop by BOB story element, and the all to real (at least
temporary) end of the show, I've been in a real funk.  These discussions
help!
-- -larryy@apple.com "You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple, and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'." - Edmund Blackadder