Subject: Re: plot speculations (spoilers)
From: rhaller@phloem.uoregon.edu
Date: 1991-07-02, 12:58
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks

In article <1991Jul2.154805.2385@aifh.ed.ac.uk> hazel@cstr.ed.ac.uk (Hazel
Sydeserff) writes:
> >In article <1991Jul2.135113@aipna.ed.ac.uk>, bjr@aipna.ed.ac.uk (Brian J Ross)
writes:
> >|>     midget's "Wow Bob Wow" *before* the coffee tricks).  Now, Laura (I
think) 
> >|>     says to him, "See you in 25 years." If Cooper is 25 years old, then
this 
> >|>     implies that she'll see him before he's born.  This means that his 
> >|>     possession is retroactive from the time he went into the Lodge, and 
> >|>     that he has ALWAYS been possessed by Bob.  This helps explain why
Windom
> >|>     was so crazed before; he too was retroactively possessed.  
> >
> >But Dale isn't as young as 25, I don't think. To be honest, I can't remember.
> >I'll check the diary when I get home.

Since I carry it with me at all times :-), I have the answer right now.
Dale Bartholomew Cooper was born 4/19/54.

> >Flaws with you theory - if Laura was going to see DC 25 years AGO, she'd be 
> >about -8 as she was only about 17 when she died.
> >What about Cooper's dream? - he was an old man in that, and there was Laura, 
> >still looking 17, which she would be as she wouldn't have aged as she was dead
(?!).
> >Jeez I wish I had the whole two series on tape.
> >

According to the transcript of the European ending, the caption "TWENTY-FIVE
YEARS LATER" appears before the 'Let's Rock' sequence which ends the movie. My
memory is claiming that Coop makes a statement about it being 25 years later
when he tells the gang about his dream the next day, but I don't completely
trust it. The timeline doesn't give a summary so I'll have to check it against
the tape tonight.

By the way, I have been reviewing the whole thing one episode at a time each
day for the last week with my daughter. Tonight we get 1007.  It's quite
interesting to do it that way. I don't think I could do a marathon.

One of the things that I noticed this time around was how Coop changed. In the
early episodes he was much weirder and stiffer.  More like his character in the
Autobiography.  Being in TP definitely mellows him out. He also loses a lot of
self confidence for obvious reasons.

Another thing I had forgotten was how bad the relationship between Audrey and
her father starts out. Her overtures to her father that eventually result in a
loving relationship between the two of them were initially a fake motivated by
her desire to ensnare Coop.

Finally, I had forgotten how pompous the Major was in his relationship to his
son at the beginning. One would never predict from the first season that the
Major would become such a sympathetic and important character in the second.
 
> >==============================================================================
> >Hazel Sydeserff                       |"What sad times are these when passing
> >Centre for Speech Technology Research | ruffians can say `Ni!' at will to
> >80, South Bridge, EDINBURGH EH1 1HN   | old ladies." - Roger the Shrubber,
MPHG

Guess what we got on the telly, last week, Hazel? Give you hint: "Ni! Ni!"

-Rich Haller

P.S. since birthdays came up, guess who else besides myself and HST were born
on May 13? Here are two: Joe Louis, Stevie Wonder.