Season 1, Episode 01: Traces to Nowhere — April 12–18, 1990

I have seen no previous posts to this group, so I'll be brave and give it a
stab.
I read recently that David Lynch and company added a 19 minute ending to the
pilot episode for video release in Europe. In that version, the murderer of
Laura Palmer, the prom queen babe, is revealed. Does anyone know who that
version reveals to be the killer?

Lynch said, in response to speculation about who the American tv series will
reveal as the killer, that no murderer will necessarily be identified, although
the possibility does exist.

I was initially interested in the show because it is the first major project
by David Lynch and Kyle MacLachlan since "Blue Velvet" (No, that movie
starring MacLachlan as an alien with the guns and Ferrari's does not count
as *major*). "Twin Peaks" does have a similar feel to parts of "Blue
Velvet." Its almost as if Jeffrey Beaumont has grown up into a special
agent for the FBI, yet picked up some weird quirks along the way. There
haven't been any Frank Booth characters yet. Who knows, maybe Dennis
Hopper will do a cameo as the killer.

Does naybody know who this Julee Cruse person is? She was the vocalist
in the Roadhouse in the first episode.
She sounded sort of like Elizabeth Frazer of The Cocteau Twins (but it
wasn't her) or whatsername from The Sundays (but I don't think it was
her either).

Wayne();

Did anyone notice that when Sherrif Harry S. Truman asked Big Ed Hurley about
the bump on his head (from the fight at the bar) he said "how's that
coconut?"....and then the psychiatrist picked a fake coconut from a fake
coconut tree, which was revealed to contain the other half of Laura Palmer's
broken heart necklace.
What does this mean? Is there a connection?

I don't know. I'm 27. I'm in the 3rd grade. My sister would tell me what it
means, but she's scrubbing bidets in a Bulgarian convent.

The log knows.

FIRE.
WALK WITH ME.

In article <1990Apr16.180229.21041@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> wolf@csldice.ncsu.edu (Joe Wolfe) writes:
>agent for the FBI, yet picked up some weird quirks along the way. There
>haven't been any Frank Booth characters yet. Who knows, maybe Dennis
A
A I hate vi.
Leo, I think, comes close to being as creepy as Frank Booth.
He is the truck driver. It's a bit too obvious to have hiM
as the killer (if there is indeed only one), since he is crazy
and had all that blood on his shirt, and, is probably dealing
coke. Why did the doctor have the other half of the necklace?
And, do you really think that "Big Ed's" wife was able to make
her curtains that quiet with just cotten balls? By the way, I'm
told that the woman who she had the conversation with in the
store (Big Ed's lover, I believe) is the actress Peggy Lipton,
formerly of the "Mod Squad". Ha!


Mike McCurdy
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In article <1990Apr16.180229.21041@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> wolf@csldice.ncsu.edu (Joe Wolfe) writes:
> ...

> I was initially interested in the show because it is the first major project
> by David Lynch and Kyle MacLachlan since "Blue Velvet" (No, that movie
> starring MacLachlan as an alien with the guns and Ferrari's does not count
> as *major*).
Oh, come on - "The Hidden" was a classic! Alien-takes-over-bodies-and-
commits-crimes-while-good-guy-alien-cop-in-Kyle's-body-hunts-him-down!
Major plot! Major action! Major script! Awesome cars! Awesome guns!
What more could you want?

:-)

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In article <54918@bbn.COM> mesard@BBN.COM (Wayne Mesard) writes:
>Does naybody know who this Julee Cruse person is? She was the vocalist
>in the Roadhouse in the first episode.
>
According to the April 9 Newsweek,
[David Lynch] coproduced and wrote the lyrics for "Floating
Into the Night," a mood-drenched album of songs performed
by Julee Cruise.

Has anybody heard this album?
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In article <1990Apr16.201456.24137@ucselx.sdsu.edu> you write:
|> coke. Why did the doctor have the other half of the necklace?
What makes you think that there's only one heart necklace?

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In article <5317@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> joe@mathcs.emory.edu writes:
> >
> >In article <1990Apr16.201456.24137@ucselx.sdsu.edu> you write:
> >|> coke. Why did the doctor have the other half of the necklace?
> >
> >What makes you think that there's only one heart necklace?
> >
> >Joe Christy         | joe@mathcs.emory.edu      | Time flies like an

That's true, Joe - there may be more than one necklace but I
can't think of any reason within the story to have multiple necklaces.
But, this is "Twin Peaks"


Mike McCurdy


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how many necklaces are there?  if the murdered girl's secret boyfriend had
one half, and so did her shrink, and supposedly the FBI knows about it
somehow (they're looking for the other half), that's too many halfs.
Sean
p.s. i haven't see the pilot, so i hope this isn't a stupid question.

In article <1990Apr16.221546.5008@ucselx.sdsu.edu> mccurdy@ucselx.sdsu.edu (mccurdy m) writes:
> >In article <5317@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> joe@mathcs.emory.edu writes:
>> >>
>> >>In article <1990Apr16.201456.24137@ucselx.sdsu.edu> you write:
>> >>|> coke. Why did the doctor have the other half of the necklace?
>> >>
>> >>What makes you think that there's only one heart necklace?
>> >>

> >
> >That's true, Joe - there may be more than one necklace but I
> >can't think of any reason within the story to have multiple necklaces.

Actually, I thought it was very interesting that a *possible* second half
of the heart necklace may be in the hands of the doctor...has anyone
figured out what their relationship was?  That tape that he was
listening to implied sex, but who knows.

so perhaps she had several halves made.  she did seem to be sleeping
with everyone (either that or doing charity work with them...hmmm...
is there a connection there, too? :-D)

but we still don't know who dug up James' buried half...the doctor?
i don't think so...

if bobby has half a heart...that would be a clue.

In article <2363@ariel.unm.edu> sdavey@hydra.unm.edu.UUCP (Sean Davey) writes:
> >how many necklaces are there?  if the murdered girl's secret boyfriend had
> >one half, and so did her shrink, and supposedly the FBI knows about it
> >somehow (they're looking for the other half), that's too many halfs.

OK, check me on this: the FBI *has* one half, recovered near the murder
site.  The other half began with the boyfriend, then the boyfriend and
the victim's girlfriend burried it together in the woods, where it was
picked up by the wigged out doctor.  The victim had been sending him
tapes about her walks in the woods.

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In article <3298@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu>, cjoslyn@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (Cliff Joslyn) writes:
> > 
> > OK, check me on this: the FBI *has* one half, recovered near the murder
> > site.  The other half began with the boyfriend, then the boyfriend and
> > the victim's girlfriend burried it together in the woods, where it was
> > picked up by the wigged out doctor.  The victim had been sending him
> > tapes about her walks in the woods.
> > 

The FBI got theirs by going through Laura Palmer's belongings. The
secret boyfriend (James(?) Hurly) had the other half. (One 
whole one so far). During the pilot he (and his new girlfriend)
buried it in the woods.  At the very end of the pilot, (the credits
were on the screen), someone, who we cannot see, unearths the
buried half.  Next epsiode the shrink has half in his possession.
The assumption is that he is the one who took the buried one
from the woods.  This way we'd still have 1 whole necklace. But 
I hadn't thought of the possiblity that there were more than one.
Somehow with this series, I wouldn't rule out *any* possiblity.

-Dan

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Favorite theories of the week (these all expire at 10:00 EST 19 Apr 90):

1) The whole town did it.  (Cf. Murder on the Orient Express)

2) Nobody did it.  Accidental suicide.

3) She OD'ed on Spice.

4) The log did it. (Did you notice how shifty-eyed it was last week?)
   (And the cherry pie drove the get-away car.)

Who didn't do it:

1) That truck driver.  Too obvious.  He might have done that other girl
   (and just when are going to hear from her anyway?), but the smart money
   had already decided that the incidents were unrelated.  (You can
   quote me on that.)  Remember that the attack last year was in a
   different part of the state.  Truck drivers travel a lot.  And this
   one came home early the day after the rape with blood on his shirt.

2) The football boyfriend.  Killers don't have nice hair.

3) The biker.  (Gosh this guy's really good with names.  You can tell
   he's a real fan.)  Jack Kerouac characters aren't killers.

Wayne("You heard it here first.");

I'm surprised that no one has picked up on what Big Ed mentioned to the
sheriff when they were talking about the fight.  Big Ed said that he thought
his drink had been drugged and that he was there on a STAKEOUT.  This is 
surprising to me because we have never seen any association between the
police and Big Ed.  I think this might tie into the fact that cocaine was
on the envelope in the diary, and the $10,000 in the safety deposit box, and 
what Bobby and his friend were talking about in the jail cell.  It seems to
me that Big Ed must be in the DEA investigating a drug ring lead by Leo.
Bobby and his friend are working for Leo, evidenced by the fact that they are
worried about the money being in the saftey deposit box, where they can't get
it.  Somewhere, (maybe someone can tell me when?) it was mentioned that Bobby
had killed someone, which would be highly likely if he was involved in a drug
ring.  The fact that Leo had blood on his shirt doesn't necessarily make him
the man we are after, more likely it is the result of some other business
involving the drug ring.  Possibly Larua was killed for not turning over the
money, and Bobby was not told.  
  This is all getting a bit hypothetical, so I'd better stop.
  Anyone else come to similar conclusions?

Robert Dickey
rdickey@jarthur.claremont.edu  or  rdickey@hmcvax.claremont.edu

In article <13523@thorin.cs.unc.edu>, palmerd@johnson.cs.unc.edu (Daniel
Palmer) writes:
> > 
> > The FBI got theirs by going through Laura Palmer's belongings. The
> > secret boyfriend (James(?) Hurly) had the other half. (One 
> > whole one so far). During the pilot he (and his new girlfriend)
> > buried it in the woods.  At the very end of the pilot, (the credits
> > were on the screen), someone, who we cannot see, unearths the
> > buried half.  Next epsiode the shrink has half in his possession.
> > The assumption is that he is the one who took the buried one
> > from the woods.  This way we'd still have 1 whole necklace. But 
> > I hadn't thought of the possiblity that there were more than one.
> > Somehow with this series, I wouldn't rule out *any* possiblity.

Yes, all the halves of the necklace that we've seen being handled by
people could belong to the same single heart.  But a/the heart
necklace was also seen a couple of times in flashbacks characters had.
One by Hurly, when he was shown a half and asked about it by the FBI
agent, and another by I'm not sure who.  It went by fast, but my
impression was that these flashbacks were different enough so that
they may have involved two similar, but not identical, necklaces.
Someone might want to review their videotapes of the show and check if
I'm right.  There's also something written on the hearts -- maybe it
can be read from a video too.

Yigal Arens
USC/ISI
arens@isi.edu

Shortly before the pilot aired, I heard (or thought I heard) that during
the additional minutes included with the European version in which the
identity of the murderer is revealed the characters read their lines
backwards.  I believe I heard this on Morning Edition (NPR).  Being in the
morning, however, means that I may not have been fully awake.  I did hear
someone else say she thought the portion was simply aired in reverse.  
Anyone else hear this?  Clarification is desired.

Concerning the necklace, we theorize that she may have purchased a number
of them, distributed half of each, and dumped all the other halves except
one.  This caused us to wonder who else may have a half.  Then again, we
forgot that someone dug up the buried half.

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In article <54918@bbn.COM> mesard@BBN.COM (Wayne Mesard) writes:
> >Does naybody know who this Julee Cruse person is?  She was the vocalist
> >in the Roadhouse in the first episode.
> >
> >She sounded sort of like Elizabeth Frazer of The Cocteau Twins (but it
> >wasn't her) or whatsername from The Sundays (but I don't think it was
> >her either).
> >

Info on Julee Cruise: 

1) She sang a song from Blue Velvet.

2) There is a recently released album called "Floating Into The Night"
under her name. All the lyrics were written by David Lynch.
A lot of this music appears on "Twin Peaks".

3) As for her past I used to perform with her at the Children's Theatre
of Minneapolis (a professional theatre company) about 5 years
ago. She was also a vocal teacher there.

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In article <13523@thorin.cs.unc.edu> palmerd@johnson.cs.unc.edu (Daniel Palmer) writes:
> >In article <3298@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu>, cjoslyn@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (Cliff Joslyn) writes:
>> >> 
>> >> OK, check me on this: the FBI *has* one half, recovered near the murder
>> >> site.  The other half began with the boyfriend, then the boyfriend and
>> >> the victim's girlfriend burried it together in the woods, where it was
>> >> picked up by the wigged out doctor.  The victim had been sending him
>> >> tapes about her walks in the woods.
>> >> 
> >
> >The FBI got theirs by going through Laura Palmer's belongings. The

Sorry to have to nit pick. The first half, the one the FBI has was not found
in her belongings, it was found atop a small mound of dirt on the train which
was the murder site.

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Joe Wolfe writes:
> > I read recently that David Lynch and company added a 19 minute ending to the
> > pilot episode for video release in Europe.  In that version, the murderer of
> > Laura Palmer, the prom queen babe, is revealed.  Does anyone know who that
> > version reveals to be the killer?

I recently saw the video "Twin Peaks" here in Norway, and I assume this was
the european version.

A synopsis of "Twin Peaks" european ending:
In the middle of the night the FBI agent receives an anonymous phone call
asking him to go to the local hospital immediately. There the agent teams 
up with the sheriff, and they are confronted with Bob (surname Bizarre?)
in the morgue (where else?). (The alert viewer will recognize the back
of Bobs head from an elevator scene early in the movie.)

Bob, a former disciple of Lucifer, has mended his ways (and in the process
unmended an arm, which had become an instrument of satan. Fashion-
forecast for this summer: cutoffs.). Now the three venture into the 
hospital basement for a showdown with the dark farces, errh forces,
and its local representative, a former acquaintance of Bob. There we
find a candle lit Lucifers pentangle, thus disturbing the killer's esoteric 
rendition of "I love Lucy". The killer, who hasn't appeared in the movie
till now, is as coherent as a qualuded Quale. He confesses two murders and 
reveals his motive: Eventually the first initials of all the young
girls fallen victim will spell his name. (Another victim of the National
Spelling Bee Program.) As Bob shoots killer, the FBI agent says "Make a
wish...", and a wind whispers in the basement extinguishing the candles in
the pentangle of Belzebub. Darkness.

In a surrealistic surroundings the FBI-agent is seated vis-a-vis a dwarf
and the late Laura Palmer, all three easily conversing in a strange lingo.
(Were these scenes run through a vocoder, or did Lynch splice the soundtrack
the way the Beatles made the merry-go-round music* in "Mr. Kite"** ?) The
dwarf does a dadaesque solo-number, whereafter Jeffrey Beaumont engages Laura.

The end.

Great pilot movie. Enough loose threads for 143 episodes of "Twin Peaks".


* After cutting up an organ tape into little pieces, they threw them up
  in the air, gathered them, and spliced them together randomly.

** "Mr. Kite" probably isn't the correct name of the track on the
    "Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band"-album. 
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As for the Norwegian investors, I thoroughly enjoyed the bits of norwegian
dialog rendered in a hitherto unknown dialect. The movie momentarily raised 
hopes of norwegian becoming the "lingua franca" of real estate, but dwindled
after the abrupt departure of the Norwegians. The Norwegian ministry of 
foreign affairs is rumored to have launched heavy lobbying in favor of
reintroducing the Norwegian element in the "Twin Peaks Saga". 
By episode 83 you should expect to see:

- plugs for trolls (aka bigfoot),
- an intro to the art of eating sheep's-eyes, 
- Beaumont trading in his suit for a norwegian home-knit sweater,
- serial killers communicating in runes and worshipping Odin,
- assorted norwegian folkdance groups frolicking under the Douglas firs
  as Beaumont et al scout for clues and wildlife trivia,

Please Email me as soon as you come across details that you believe to be 
truly Norwegian! 

I will summarize.

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In article <13523@thorin.cs.unc.edu> palmerd@johnson.cs.unc.edu (Daniel Palmer) writes:
> >buried it in the woods.  At the very end of the pilot, (the credits
> >were on the screen), someone, who we cannot see, unearths the
> >buried half.  Next epsiode the shrink has half in his possession.
> >The assumption is that he is the one who took the buried one
>from the woods.  This way we'd still have 1 whole necklace. But 

I didn't think about it before reading this posting, but the shrink 
could easily have come into possession of the necklace if it was found
by the log lady.  She could easily be one of his patients and he could
have persuaded her to give it to him.  Also why did the deputy go to the
trouble to follow the doc down to the morgue entrance and then investigate
no further?  Questions, questions, questions!

I would also agree that this is the best thing I've seen on tv in some time
(along with the Simpson's) which means its almost certain to have a short
life.

-Bill Murphy

So, has anyone heard what happened in the Euro pilot?  Who
was the killer there?  (This doesn't mean that we will see
the same killer, but I was just curious).  Also, as for
your predictions, Wayne, if the whole town did it, then
those guys you mentioned not having done it would have 
done it.  I guess that means your predictions are only the
ones after "the whole town did it".

In article <2363@ariel.unm.edu> sdavey@hydra.unm.edu.UUCP (Sean Davey) writes:
> >how many necklaces are there?  if the murdered girl's secret boyfriend had
> >one half, and so did her shrink, and supposedly the FBI knows about it
> >somehow (they're looking for the other half), that's too many halfs.
> >Sean


I firmly believe that there is only one necklace. Having more than
one would serve no purpose in the story/plot. As to who dug it up, with the
info we have so far, it is the doctor. That may well change.

Mike McCurdy


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there some kind soul out there who'll post a role-cast list?


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In article <JOEE.90Apr17144444@jord.uio.no>, joee@ifi.uio.no (Joe Siri
Ekgren) writes:
> > 
> > As for the Norwegian investors, I thoroughly enjoyed the bits of norwegian
> > dialog rendered in a hitherto unknown dialect. The movie momentarily raised 
> > hopes of norwegian becoming the "lingua franca" of real estate, but dwindled
> > after the abrupt departure of the Norwegians.

Introduction of the Norwegians makes me wonder if somone
from Minnesota will pop up.

A possible connection is that one of my cousins is married
to Scott Frost, brother of the show's coproducer, and they
moved from Minnesota to L.A. so that he could work on Twin
Peaks.  Our family roots are Norwegian and English.

Another odd personal coincidence was that we saw the pilot
and 1st episode while in Snowbird, Utah -- in a valley
below a mountain named Twin Peaks.  Not that it looks much
like the Seattle "Twin Peaks" area, where I lived in the '50's...


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In article <1990Apr16.212830.28943@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> ben@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Ben Fried) writes:

> >In article <1990Apr16.180229.21041@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> wolf@csldice.ncsu.edu (Joe Wolfe) writes:
>> >> ...
>> >> I was initially interested in the show because it is the first major project
>> >> by David Lynch and Kyle MacLachlan since "Blue Velvet"  (No, that movie 
>> >> starring MacLachlan as an alien with the guns and Ferrari's does not count
>> >> as *major*).  

> >Oh, come on - "The Hidden" was a classic!  Alien-takes-over-bodies-and-
> >commits-crimes-while-good-guy-alien-cop-in-Kyle's-body-hunts-him-down!
> >Major plot!  Major action!  Major script!  Awesome cars!  Awesome guns!
> >What more could you want?

Plus those wonderful scenes where the bad-guy-alien transfers from body
to body.  That film was a RIOT!!!

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In article <1990Apr17.154025.29075@ucselx.sdsu.edu> mccurdy@ucselx.sdsu.edu (mccurdy m) writes:
> >I firmly believe that there is only one necklace. Having more than
> >one would serve no purpose in the story/plot. As to who dug it up, with the

I don't necessarily agree; can the possibility that Laura gave half
hearts to all the guys she was sleeping with be ruled out?  Make 'em
think they're the one and only...she was pretty messed up...

maybe not, but I guess we'lll see...

any ideas, though, on how the doctor would have found the exact spot
were donna and james buried the heart...

ap

In article <6462@accuvax.nwu.edu> sandell@ferret.Berkeley.EDU (Greg Sandell) writes:
> >Does anybody remember who's idea it was to bury it under the rock?
> >If it was the victim's girlfriend who thought of the rock, there's
> >always the possibility (okay, not very likely) that that was a
> >`special' location that she and her (now dead) girlfriend knew
> >about.  And, that the psychiatrist knew about it, too.

donna (the victim's girlfriend) was the one who suggesed burying the
necklace, presumedly to protect james (like when she wouldn:t say
that it was james who made the videotape of laura and her frolicking
on the hill.

good point about the special location that could be common
knowledge b/t the doctor, donna and laura...am i the only one who
is a little bit suspicous about donna? she seems a little too
squeaky clean.

ap

The girl in the porno mag (I think it was Flesh world or something
like that) was indeed the second girl that was assaulted and found
walking aimlessly across a bridge (and is now recovering in the
hospital). Right next to her picture was a picture of Leo in front of
his 18-wheeler, so this connects her with him. The $10,000 in the
safety deposit box is related to the implied drug activities of Bobby
and Mike (with Leo). As for Laura's necklace, if indeed there is only
one necklace, then how did the doctor ever get it? James buried it
under a small rock at night, and neither he or Donna had access to it
that night. James was in jail, and Donna was driven home by her dad
(though she could have later picked it up that night). The only other
person who knew about it was the biker that gave Donna a lift to where
James was. I don't see how the doctor could have recovered it. It's
either another half of another necklace, or the half that was recovered by
the FBI (somebody can probably check to see if the half that James
buried and the half that the doctor has are indeed the same half, or
opposing halves).

In the second episode, we also saw the doctor going to the morgue late
at night, perhaps doing something with Laura's body (I won't expound
on this!). Everything looks like it could have been done by someone
internal to the city, but the letter 'R' found under Laura's
fingertips is quite strange, and links this murder to other events
that we don't know about. 

- Joe


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In article <13523@thorin.cs.unc.edu>, palmerd@johnson.cs.unc.edu (Daniel
Palmer) writes:
> > 
> > The FBI got theirs by going through Laura Palmer's belongings. The
> > secret boyfriend (James(?) Hurly) had the other half. (One 

Didn't the FBI get their half in the railroad car, not by going
through her belongings they found in her room at home?  Perhaps you
could say they were going through her belongings by investigating the
clothes and blood in the railroad car.

By the way, somebody referred earlier to the European showing of Twin
Peaks, and said the killer was revealed in their version.  We too may
have been given a glimpse of the real killer.  In the last show, when
Laura's best friend visited Laura's mother, the mother was
crying out "I miss her so much", repeatedly, then she went into
hallucinations, altering Laura's best friend's face and hair to become
Laura (the most frightening moment for me), and then turning to see a
blond haired young man staring at her from a low position; then she
screamed.  The apparition looked like a new character to me, with a
LA hard-core rocker puff haircut and face (if you can imagine that).
Perhaps that's the more typical TV character trying to nudge his way
in.

I think the second episode was not near as good as the first.  The
commercials have come in full force now, and the pace of the scenes
have been sacrificed in the process.  On one hand it seems
like they want to pack a lot of action in, to keep people's attention
up.  On the other hand, they have much more time than a typical movie,
so the topics drift, creating a kind of soap opera feeling, many 
characters but no coherent plot or subplot (of course, it's the 
beginning).  The second episode did not
move near as well as the first.  The commercials slice it all 
up even further.  Lynch is fighting the medium.

In article <13523@thorin.cs.unc.edu>, palmerd@johnson.cs.unc.edu (Daniel Palmer) writes:
cjoslyn@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (Cliff Joslyn) writes:
>> > > 
>> > > OK, check me on this: the FBI *has* one half, recovered near the murder
>> > > site.  The other half began with the boyfriend, then the boyfriend and
>> > > the victim's girlfriend burried it together in the woods, where it was
>> > > picked up by the wigged out doctor.  The victim had been sending him
>> > > tapes about her walks in the woods.
>> > > 

Does anybody remember who's idea it was to bury it under the rock?
If it was the victim's girlfriend who thought of the rock, there's
always the possibility (okay, not very likely) that that was a
`special' location that she and her (now dead) girlfriend knew
about.  And, that the psychiatrist knew about it, too.

****************************************************************
* Greg Sandell (sandell@ils.nwu.edu)                           *
* Institute for the Learning Sciences, Northwestern University *
****************************************************************

In article <1990Apr16.212830.28943@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>,
ben@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Ben Fried) says:
> >Oh, come on - "The Hidden" was a classic!  Alien-takes-over-bodies-and-
> >commits-crimes-while-good-guy-alien-cop-in-Kyle's-body-hunts-him-down!
> >Major plot!  Major action!  Major script!  Awesome cars!  Awesome guns!
> >What more could you want?

A more literate public that realized it was a totally unethical ripoff
of Hal Clement...

> >:-)
:-(

Scott Le Grand aka sml108@psuvm.psu.edu
"If you like peanuts, you'll love sci-fi."

[The truck driver] might have done that other girl (and just
when are going to hear from her anyway?), but the smart money
had already decided that the incidents were unrelated. [...]
Remember that the attack last year was in a different part of
the state.

But what about the letter R that got pulled out from under Lara's
fingernail (ouch!)?  He said it matched (?) from the other incident (he
said something like "I *knew* we'd see something like this again!").

The pathologist said that there were at least three different fellas
who got a piece of Lara that night ... my count is Bobby, earlier
(before 9:30 certainly, doing "homework" :-), "the biker" :-), and
whoever bumped her off, after she got off the bike in the woods.

/jordan

In article <13132@csli.Stanford.EDU> podlozny@csli.stanford.edu (Ann Podlozny) writes:
> >In article <1990Apr17.154025.29075@ucselx.sdsu.edu> mccurdy@ucselx.sdsu.edu (mccurdy m) writes:
>> >>I firmly believe that there is only one necklace. Having more than
>> >>one would serve no purpose in the story/plot. As to who dug it up, with the
> >
> >I don't necessarily agree; can the possibility that Laura gave half
> >hearts to all the guys she was sleeping with be ruled out?  Make 'em
> >think they're the one and only...she was pretty messed up...



That's a good point - I hadn't considered that. That would be a reason
within the plot to have more than one necklace; to indicate that Laura was
involved with all of these men and to further confuse the issue of who was
involved in the murder.

If the doctor did dig up his half, it must have beed that he was
out in the woods watching when the necklace was buried.

Mike McCurdy

-- Mike McCurdy * mccurdy@ucselx.sdsu.edu * Reality Modifications Inc. ************************** Dept. of Redundancy Dept. ** Drive less if at all ** 333 Inner Circle Square **************************

Is anyone else as taken with the theme music as I am? But then I fell
in love with the Cowboy Junkies Trinity Session also.

Dj

 Here are my questions-

 I missed parts of the pilot so help me a bit here, thanks,
   
    From the show last Thursday,
    When the murdered girls mom went to see the murdered girls best friend,
    the mom started seeing her dead daughters face instead of the girls, and
    she started crying and hugging the girl like she was her dead daughter,
    then the mom wigged out because she saw a vision at the foot of a bed,
    who was that guy? He had long hair I think.

    This is from the pilot show,
    The same mom in the pilot show at the very end of the show was laying
    on a couch with her eyes closed, then they flashed to a gloved hand
    with a flashlight getting the previously buried heart chain, and the
    mom sat up screaming at the top of her lungs like she was seeing this
    hand pick up the chain. Does this imply that she is psychic, or
    somehow is communicating with her dead daughter?

    John C.

In the beginning of the second episode, Cooper meets up
with Sheriff Truman at the police station, and says
something like "Ah, 3 for 3..." He rambles on for a bit
while the sheriff is stuffing his face with a donut and
then excuses himself to go "urinate".

What was he "3 for 3" for?  I missed a couple seconds
here and there at the beginning, and I was just curious.

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the HILARIOUS scene
at the restaurant when Cooper is ordering breakfast.
He's talking about grapefruits (or something like
that) and that girl (the one who poured water all over
the papers on the desk in the pilot) walks over to him
as he focuses on her... er, well, you know.

Cooper's stream-of-conscious dialogue is interesting
also.  A good example is when he's talking to his FBI
buddy on the phone.  The FBI guy wants to view Laura's 
body but Cooper tells him that (loosely paraphrased)
"...you can have the body till Monday, then it's
gotta be put in the ground... when you come up here
you hafta go to this diner, the pie will KILL you..."

By the way, is anyone else's VCR working overtime now
that TP and Cheers are on at the same time?  Major
conflict for me there.

-pam-

jtkung@mit-caf.MIT.EDU (Joseph Kung) writes:

> > As for Laura's necklace, if indeed there is only one necklace, then how did
> > the doctor ever get it? James buried it under a small rock at night, and
> > neither he or Donna had access to it that night.

In the second episode the doctor was listening to a tape of Laura's in which
she described a "secret place in the forest" where she had met someone.  If
the doctor knew where this place was, and if this is the place where James and
Donna met, then it is quite possible the doctor was watching them.

Another possibility is that the log lady was in the woods and saw the
necklace being buried.  Who KNOWS who she might give it to after digging it
up.

-- Trevor

Here's my theory:

The sheriff did it.  Why?  Because no one would ever suspect him.  And
just think of how good he'll look when he catches the `killer'.  He's
going to frame someone, I don't know who.

Remember how old the mayor is?  That's right, he's going to retire,
and guess who's going to run for mayor?  That's right, the sheriff,
who is a power-hungry sociopath.

You want to know how he did it?  He started a cult that the town is
going to blame the murder on.  Many people know about the cult and are
in it, but it's very secret.  The only evidence thus far is the scene
where Bobby and his best friend are `barking' at J. in the town
prison.  When Bobby started `barking', his friend joined in
immediately indicating it's something they've done before.  I maintain
they do it at meetings of the cult.

The evil sheriff theory also explains why he is seducing the richest
woman in Twin Peaks...

More developments on Friday when I have a completely different set of
theories!
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    Regarding Twin-Peaks,  I agree that the second episode was not as good as
the first, and the commercials sure did take some interest out of me.  But it
still is a good show.  I was very impressed with the first episode, and now I
am hooked.  I just hope it doesn't become too confusing.  

    An untouched subject:  Why is there a struggle for power at the wood-mill
between the old woman(darn, what's her name?) and the oriental chick?  Does 
it have to do anything with Laura Palmer or is it just a power struggle?  I
remember the quarrel between the two when the younger woman wanted to close the
mill on account of Laura's death, and the older one fought not to.  I remember
the older woman saying "It's time we gave her some real trouble (or something 
like that)".  And why is the sheriff not seeing her(the younger one, I promise
to get the names next time) in public?  What is he afraid of?

    Just curious.

    By the way, I am having the same problem of overworking my vcr trying to 
keep up with cheers and twin peaks at the same time.  Common sense suggests 
that you tape cheers for half-hour and save some tape.  Watch it later for just
half-hour(or less if you skip the commercials) instead of taping twin-peaks for
a full hour.  But that poses another, lets say, for me at least, a problem.
Sometimes twin-peaks becomes confusing, or I miss a line or a clue while watch-
ing it.  You can go back and watch it again if you tape it.  Guess you can't 
win 'em all.

Yogesh.
The Ohio State University.
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culbreth@svax.cs.cornell.edu (Pamela Jean Culbreth) writes:

> >In the beginning of the second episode, Cooper meets up
> >with Sheriff Truman at the police station, and says
> >something like "Ah, 3 for 3..." He rambles on for a bit
> >while the sheriff is stuffing his face with a donut and
> >then excuses himself to go "urinate".

> >What was he "3 for 3" for?  I missed a couple seconds
> >here and there at the beginning, and I was just curious.

Well, Cooper walks in and says hi to Andy (the crying cop).
Andy's stuffing a donut in his mouth.  He then greets the ditzy
receptionist/dispatcher.  She too is stuffing her face.  Cooper then
sees Truman (who, as you pointed out was also eating) and says
"Ah, 3 for 3..." I thought this was very funny, meself.

jd

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For once an FBI agent is portrayed for what they
essentially are:  government workers as much concerned
with getting some interesting travel as they are on
working... in fact his rather glib attitude lightens
up the whole affair.

Also note that LAura's mother is psychic and woke up
screaming when the necklace was found by the unknown
person in the woods.  She also saw Laura's face
in the best friends's face (whi is a 
fox by the way).

Diane, it's 1:39 PM.  I'm in a home office in San Francisco,
California, two blocks south of Powell St. BART station, one block east
of Sixth St., the sin capital of the SOMA region.  Still, it looks like
some of the tenant hotels might have a good rate.

I stopped in at a little Vietnamese place for lunch.  The iced coffee
was -- excuse me -- damn good.  Then I walked back here, tripping over
piles of dirt and rags that somehow retained the faculty of speech,
and sat in front of a computer.  The screen says, and I quote:

In article <1990Apr16.190648.2377@zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu>
alden@shape.mps.ohio-state.edu (Dave Alden) writes:
> >#   Hmm.  Was there any discussion on this in alt.config?

In article <2920@stl.stc.co.uk> "David Wright" <dww@stl.stc.co.uk> writes:
> >No, there wasn't.  So in such cases I look at the newgroup control message
> >to see what justification the poster has made for the group.  In this case,
> >they said:
> >
> >#  From: news@ox.com (Usenet News Administrator)
> >#  Subject: newgroup alt.tv.twin-peaks
> >#  Message-ID: <1990Apr16.172540.5817@ox.com>
> >#  Control: newgroup alt.tv.twin-peaks
> >#  Organization: Ocwen Trading, Inc.
> >#  Approved: diane@ifs.umich.edu
> >#  
> >#  Diane, It's 1:22 p.m.....I've just had lunch at a little diner...
> >#  no cherry pie...Damn...I'd really like a good slice of pie. Anyway,
> >#  It's beginning to get warmer and drier outside. I'll get back to you
> >#  after I go over the tapes of the case so far.
> >
> >In other words - none at all!  Someone's ramblings.   Possibly not really
> >meant to create the group all through the net - but even if it was there has
> >to be SOME reasonable reason given!   Wipe it, folks.

Diane, it appears that we are dealing with a seriously disturbed --
dare I say demented?  There, I've said it -- individual.  Here are
perfectly clear words on the screen, yet David Wright says they are
"ramblings".  We're going to take this message down to the lab now, and
I'm sure that it will show signs of linguistic dissociation associated
with heroin use.  Don't give this one to Frank, Diane.  This one's
mine.

One more thing, Diane.  As I was walking out to lunch, I was wondering
something, not just as a special agent, but as a citizen of Planet
Earth.  Do we know that Apollo 13 was an accident -- or could it have
been something stranger?
-- Tim Maroney, Mac Software Consultant, sun!hoptoad!tim, tim@toad.com "My indifference to that comment can only be described as sexual in intensity." -- Martin Terman, rec.arts.comics

I posted this in the tv file, so I thought it only fair to include it
here too.  Given the kind of show this is, revisions could be necessary
at any moment.  In particular, we don't know Mike's last name, the
major's first name, or either of the deputies' last names (I MAY also
have the actors who play them reversed, but I don't think so).  And
maybe a minor character I chose to omit, like the mayor or principal or
a doctor, will turn out to be absolutely pivotal.  Who can predict?

Jon

                       TWIN PEAKS

FBI Special Agent Dale Cooper             Kyle MacLachlan
Sheriff Harry S. Truman                   Michael Ontkean
                          -----
Jocelyn ("Josie") Packard, from Hong Kong;
  inherited Packard Sawmill from husband Andrew;
  semi-secretly seeing Sheriff Truman           Joan Chen
Catherine Martell, Andrew's sister;
  secretly involved with Benjamin Horne      Piper Laurie
Pete Martell, Catherine's husband;
  he found Laura's body                        Jack Nance

Benjamin Horne, real-estate developer;
  owns the Great Northern Hotel            Richard Beymer
Sylvia Horne, his wife                         Jan D'Arcy
Audrey Horne, their spoiled daughter        Sherilyn Fenn
Johnny Horne, their retarded son         Robert Davenport
Jerry Horne, Benjamin's brother       David Patrick Kelly

Leland Palmer, associate of Benj. Horne          Ray Wise
Sarah Palmer, his wife                    Grace Zabriskie
Laura Palmer, their daughter;
  mysteriously murdered                        Sheryl Lee

Bobby Briggs ("Bopper"), involved with Laura
  Palmer (& secretly Shelly)                Dana Ashbrook
Elizabeth Briggs, his mother            Charlotte Stewart
Major Briggs, Bobby's father                    Don Davis
Mike ("Snake"), Bobby's friend           Gary Hershberger

Norma Jennings, owner of the Double R Diner;
  husband Hank is in prison                  Peggy Lipton

Shelly Johnson, a waitress at the diner     Madchen Amick
Leo Johnson, her trucker husband               Eric Da Re

James Hurley, a biker, secretly involved
  with Laura; now in love with Donna       James Marshall
Ed Hurley, James's uncle, owner of Big Ed's
  Gas Farm; in love with Norma             Everett McGill
Nadine Hurley, Ed's wife                      Wendy Robie

Dr. Will Hayward ("Doc")                     Warren Frost
Eileen Hayward, his wife,
  confined to a wheelchair              Mary Jo Deschanel
Donna Hayward, their daughter,
  in love with James                     Lara Flynn Boyle
Harriet Hayward, Donna's
  younger sister                       Jessica Wallenfels

Dr. Lawrence Jacoby, psychiatrist            Russ Tamblyn

Andy, the sheriff's deputy who cries           Harry Goaz
Hawk, the other deputy                      Michael Horse
Lucy Morgan, the sheriff's receptionist  Kimmie Robertson

Ronnette Pulaski, intended 3rd victim    Phoebe Augustine
Janek Pulaski, her father          Rick Tutor / Alan Ogle
Maria (?) Pulaski, his wife              Michele Milatoni

The Log Lady                            Catherine Coulson
The One-Armed Man                              Al Strobel

I wondered about Big Ed being on "stakeout" but figured I just hadn't
been listening.  Hmmm....

But here's one that really made me sit up and take notice when I was
re-viewing the tapes to make the cast list (which was the first time I
noticed that each episode took place all in one day--an influence from
exec producer Mark Frost's Hill Street Days??  :) ).

On day 1, Bobby and Mike are sitting in jail, talking about the $20,000
they have to give to Leo (the trucker).  They have a problem because
Bobby gave half of it (he says) to Laura for safekeeping and now the
police have it.  But the other half, he says, he gave to Leo "last
night."

Well, last night Leo was supposedly in Butte, Montana!  Shelley sure
thought so when Bobby drove her home after breakfast at the diner this
morning.  And Bobby sure acted surprised and dismayed to find Leo
around.  (And he had "called her from Butte" the night before.)  It
indeed was not in his interest to get caught there by Leo, yet he knew
he was around, having given him money the night before.

So what's going on here?  Can't wait to find out....

Sudden thought:  in order to tell if the call was really long distance
from Butte, Shelly shoulda called in Lucy the receptionist--you know, to
determine whether it sounded like air in the trees!

Jon

In article <54934@bbn.COM> mesard@BBN.COM (Wayne Mesard) writes:
> >Who didn't do it:
> >
> >1) That truck driver.  Too obvious.  He might have done that other girl
> >   (and just when are going to hear from her anyway?), but the smart money
> >   had already decided that the incidents were unrelated.  (You can
> >   quote me on that.)  Remember that the attack last year was in a
> >   different part of the state.  Truck drivers travel a lot.  And this
> >   one came home early the day after the rape with blood on his shirt.

They were unrelated?  Then what was the heart doing at the scene?  It
seems clear both girls were held at the same place; Laura's heart was
there, but they only found the place by retracing Ronette's steps.

You've mentioned two of the main things indicting Leo -- he drives very
fast and his shirt was soaked with blood -- but missed a couple of
others.  One's obvious -- he obviously enjoys hurting women.  The other
-- the interior of his house has a lot of plastic wrap lying around,
apparently from unfinished improvements.

> >2) The football boyfriend.  Killers don't have nice hair.

Bobby killed somebody, but I'm not sure if it was Jocelyn's husband, or
the as-yet-unidentified stiff in the barn the year before.  I doubt he
killed Laura, though it's possible.  My bet is that he was paid by
Jocelyn to kill her husband, and that she's deeply involved with the
drugs and pornography in the town -- and possibly with Laura's killer.
In this case, still waters run deep.  You can tell from the direction,
specifically the way her face is presented and when.

> >3) The biker.  (Gosh this guy's really good with names.  You can tell
> >   he's a real fan.)  Jack Kerouac characters aren't killers.

James Hurley.  I'm sure he didn't do it.
-- Tim Maroney, Mac Software Consultant, sun!hoptoad!tim, tim@toad.com "In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion." -- Carl Sagan, 1987 CSICOP keynote address

In article <6462@accuvax.nwu.edu> sandell@ferret.Berkeley.EDU (Greg Sandell) writes:

> >Does anybody remember who's idea it was to bury it under the rock?
> >If it was the victim's girlfriend who thought of the rock, there's
> >always the possibility (okay, not very likely) that that was a
> >`special' location that she and her (now dead) girlfriend knew
> >about.  And, that the psychiatrist knew about it, too.
> >

Nope.  The girl suggested that the biker get rid of the necklace.  So
the biker buried it right where they were standing, and placed a rock
on it himself.

The girl could have phoned the shrink to tell him where the necklace
was buried... Just because we didn't see something doesn't mean that
it couldn't have happened... or does it??


-- Rajiv Partha Sarathy _ _ /@\ INTERNET sarathy@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca ................ooooooooOOOO(_)(_)\@/ BITNET sarathy@utorgpu.bitnet University Of Toronto Computing Services UUCP sarathy@utgpu.uucp

In article <1990Apr16.180229.21041@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> wolf@csldice.ncsu.edu (Joe Wolfe) writes:
=>
=>I read recently that David Lynch and company added a 19 minute ending to the
=>pilot episode for video release in Europe.  In that version, the murderer of
=>Laura Palmer, the prom queen babe, is revealed.  Does anyone know who that
=>version reveals to be the killer?
=>

According to TV Guide (April 7-13) in the article "Welcome to the weird
new world of TWIN PEAKS...where nothing is quite what is seems--and a killer
is on the loose" by Timothy Carlson...

"Even that time-honored soap staple--the cliffhanger ending--has been
Lynched.  For the European video release of 'Twin Peaks' two-hour
premiere, he couldn't use the pilot's cliffhanger--he had to have a
resolution.  So he added 15 minutes of footage.

""We needed a killer in an alternate ending for the pilot," recalls Joan
Chen, who plays the owner of Twin Peaks' Packard Sawmill.  "And David saw
this propman hiding, not wanting to get in the way of the shot. David
thought he was an interesting-looking man and made *him* the killer.
David really appreciates accidents on the set."

By the way, there's no guarantee the killer will be revealed.  Or that,
assuming that he/she is revealed, that it will be in the seventh episode.
There are so many secrets and sub-plots that the storyline could continue
forever.

nan

Twin Peaks - a town where a yellow light means "slow down" instead of
"speed up."

It was a quiet day when chaz@vicorp.UU.NET wrote (in article <1990Apr17.183149.20841@vicorp.uu.net>):
> >In article <13523@thorin.cs.unc.edu>, palmerd@johnson.cs.unc.edu (Daniel
> >Palmer) writes:
>> >> 
> >characters but no coherent plot or subplot (of course, it's the 
> >beginning).  The second episode did not
> >move near as well as the first.  The commercials slice it all 
> >up even further.  Lynch is fighting the medium.

    I don't know...he said in some interview that he made the series
taking into account the fact that there would be commercials and so he paced 
the whole thing so that it built up to the commercials..etc.  It was like 
making mini-movies.
Steve

-- ****************************************************************** I can't be held repsonsible for anything...I am brain dead from all this terminal time. ****************************************************************** "Black and Huge" -- GWAR

Not <wachtel@cis.ohio-state.edu> writes:
> >Why is there a struggle for power at the wood-mill
> >between the old woman(darn, what's her name?) and the oriental chick?

The woman who runs the mill is the O.C.'s sister-in-law.  Mr. Packard
(sp?) died (I got the impression it was <1 year ago) leaving the mill to
his widow (the O.C., hereafter Mrs. Packard).

> >Does 
> >it have to do anything with Laura Palmer or is it just a power
> >struggle?

As we are quickly learning, everything in the town seems to have
something to do with LP.

Wayne();

P.S.  It cracks me up how Mrs. P's english is not too well, yet without
warning this poetry comes spewing out of her mouth.

In article <10343@sun.udel.edu> conrad@sun.udel.edu (Jon Conrad) writes:
> >On day 1, Bobby and Mike are sitting in jail, talking about the $20,000
> >they have to give to Leo (the trucker).  They have a problem because
> >Bobby gave half of it (he says) to Laura for safekeeping and now the
> >police have it.  But the other half, he says, he gave to Leo "last
> >night."
> >
> >Well, last night Leo was supposedly in Butte, Montana!  Shelley sure
> >thought so when Bobby drove her home after breakfast at the diner this
> >morning.  And Bobby sure acted surprised and dismayed to find Leo
> >around.  (And he had "called her from Butte" the night before.)  It
> >indeed was not in his interest to get caught there by Leo, yet he knew
> >he was around, having given him money the night before.



maybe Bobby met with Leo that night but thought that he (Leo) would
be leaving town after their rendezvous...or perhaps he never
gave the money to Leo at all...I assume there's no way his friend
would know if Leo were around or not so Bobby could easly lie...
so then who has the $10,000?

what I can't quite remember is whether Leo had been gone for a while
(hadn't Bobby and Shelley been having their little "meeting" every
morning for at least a few days? or is this just my faulty memory)

I can't believe I don't have a vcr.

please excuse excessive speculation and correct any mistakes...

ann

In article <90107.144945SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> SML108@psuvm.psu.edu (Scott the
 Great) writes:
> > In article <1990Apr16.212830.28943@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>,
> > ben@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Ben Fried) says:
>> > >Oh, come on - "The Hidden" was a classic!  Alien-takes-over-bodies-and-
>> > >commits-crimes-while-good-guy-alien-cop-in-Kyle's-body-hunts-him-down!
>> > >Major plot!  Major action!  Major script!  Awesome cars!  Awesome guns!
>> > >What more could you want?
> > 
> > A more literate public that realized it was a totally unethical ripoff
> > of Hal Clement...
> > 
>> > >:-)
> > :-(
> > 
> > Scott Le Grand aka sml108@psuvm.psu.edu
> > "If you like peanuts, you'll love sci-fi."

Oh, piffle.  

Do I have to know what "Blade Runner" is a rip-off of to enjoy it?  Do I
have to realize that "The Terminator" doesn't have a startlingly
original plot line?  Literacy is more than knowing Philip K. Dick from
Harlan Ellison.

Anyway, I thought the smiley-face made it obvious: my opinion was that
the movie was fun, but really stupid.

Getting back to Twin Peaks:  Are we sure that the victim that wasn't
killed was actually attacked by the same person?  She didn't have a
letter under her fingernail... 

Ben
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Benjamin Fried
ben@cunixf.cc.columbia.edurutgers!columbia!ben

Somone mentioned before that Bobby, Mike and Leo (according to Bobby and Mike's
conversation in jail) were together the night of the murder, dealing in drugs.

Bobby and Mike also mentioned something about a murder, though I can't remember
who was involved, just Bobby, or Bobby and Mike, etc.

Also, there appears to be a connection between Leo and the girl who walked from
the woods.

Now, here is my idea.  Could the murder Bobby talked about been this girl?
Would he have known, before being put in jail that he actually did not kill
her, and that she is, at this very minute, recuperating in the hospital and 
will soon spill her guts? (by this I mean to imply that someone will try to
kill her (perhaps the mysterious one armed man.  One armed men are always evil)
so that she can't talk)

Anyway, as you can see I have almost no clue to what is actually going on.  
Actually I think that Harry S. Truman did it (not the Sherrif, the President)

gene
"What did Marilyn Monroe have to do with the Kennedys, and who pulled the
trigger on JFK"
?

In article <54988@bbn.COM> mesard@labs-n.bbn.com (Wayne Mesard) writes:
> >Not <wachtel@cis.ohio-state.edu> writes:
>> >>Why is there a struggle for power at the wood-mill
>> >>between the old woman(darn, what's her name?) and the oriental chick?
> >
> >The woman who runs the mill is the O.C.'s sister-in-law.  Mr. Packard
> >(sp?) died (I got the impression it was <1 year ago) leaving the mill to
> >his widow (the O.C., hereafter Mrs. Packard).

Yes, but as we learn this week, the widow is in bed with the guy who is
trying to sell real estate to the norwegians (laura's dad's boss).  I 
think she want to get hold to the land which belongs to the mill for
real estate development.  At this point in time, I can't see that it has
anything to do with laura.

> >P.S.  It cracks me up how Mrs. P's english is not too well, yet without
> >warning this poetry comes spewing out of her mouth.

I have many friends who are recent arrivals in the US.  They tend to have
very good literary english -- they understand and easily pick up english
from books, magazines, etc.  Most learned english before they came here.
The problem is that they know very few colloquialisms, and as a result 
their speach seems a bit broken... 



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The flesh mag found in Laura's safety deposit box (along with other misc.
articles like $10,000 and cocaine) has a picture of a girl (Ronnette Pulaski,
if memory serves?), and of a truck cab, with a guy in front.  The picture of
the truck cab did a (?) dissolve to a shot of (?) the happy Johnson's (Leo &
Shelly) house.

Is this correct?  What are the implications?  Did I (gasp!) miss something???

-- David J. Goodger | "This theory, that I have, that is to say, which is good@calvin.cs.mcgill.ca | mine, is mine . . . that it is." - Anne Elk [Miss] "Is there a doctor in the fish?" "No matter where you go, there you are." "So what? Big deal."

Upon rewatching the second episode of Twin Peaks I have a couple of comments
to make...

1) Donna Horne (the bitch) seemed to have a black eye in one scene.  This 
   could have been a trick of the lighting, but the camera moved in for a 
   close-up, almost as if to emphasize it.

2) The man Laura Palmer's mother saw was not Leo.  It was someone we haven't
   seen before, maybe never again.

3) Leo looks like the best suspect yet.  When he was beating his wife over the
   'loss' of the shirt he backed her into a corner of an addition that was being
   built to the house.  She shrank back into the corner onto a pile of clear
   plastic sheeting, exactly like that in which Laura had been wrapped.  Coupled
   with the fact that Leo is a bad dude, and we have a perfect suspect.  Too
   perfect.  I am almost positive he is a decoy--Lynch wouldn't make it this
   easy.

4) At the end of the episode when the psychiatrist was listening  to the tape,
   Laura contrasted James with the Doctor (James was "Sweet, but stupid" while
   the Doctor was not Sweet or Stupid, I'm not sure which she meant)  She
   also mentioned getting lost in the woods, and then the tape cut off.
   Obviously these two were involved.

Well, thats about it.  Has a TV series ever been analyzed in this much depth
before?

gene

This is Mallory - not Nick.  More reasons for the sheriff to have
"done it."  He is working so closely to Kyle that the second the
investigation sniffs anywhere close to the truth he can quickly cover
it up.  In fact, Kyle might know the whole time it is him, but wants
to find out more about his cocaine trafficking.  Oops, I'm jumping the
gun.  

Harry might be trafficking the cocaine, which is probably the
reason for the FBI investigation in the first place.  I'm not an
authority, but would the FBI even get involved with just a couple of
local murders? But cocaine is a different story.  Especially if it's
major trafficking.  

This fits in well with the idea of a phony cult which can be a big cover up for
the cocaine trafficking.  The murders were done to fit the stereotype
of your average devil worshipping cult, and could have been ordered by
Harry, yet carried out by the truck driver, who's slimy enough to do
anything for a buck.  So, we have the evil sheriff having the truck
driver do all of his dirty work as a cover up for the drug
trafficking which, as someone pointed out earlier, is probably made
easier by the truck.  The sherrif also seemed to know exactly who the
guy was talking about, when, in the first episode, he called up the
sheriff and said, "She's dead."

Whatcha think?  Any contradictions from the plot line?  Let me know.

Mallory

(1) WHY?  Why did this have to come along just when there's no possible
way I can afford the time to watch the show, let alone spend hours
afterward dissecting it and hours more through the week reading this
newsgroup.
(2) WHAT?  What was Leo doing slicing up that football just before
Shelley got home (and who but David Lynch would include a scene of a
psycho slicing up a football with a kitchen knife)?  Someone suggested
that Leo was trying to hide something in it, but then realized that once
a football's been sliced open, it's probably not a very good hiding
place.
(3) WHO?  WHO IS DIANE???  This seems to me to be THE central question
of the show.  Best idea I've heard so far: Diane is actually the NAME of
Cooper's tape recorder.  He talks to "her" about his cases.  Second-best
idea: Diane is a friend (of some sort of Cooper's), but is also the
murderer, and was having an affair with Laura, and is the perpetually
out-of-town mother of the guy-whose-name-I-don't-remember-at-the-moment-
but-who-sure-does-remind-me-of-J.D.-from-_Heathers_ (which is to say, a
junior James Deane).
--jed (No.  I can't afford the time.  No way.  Uh-uh.  Well, okay, I
missed the pilot, so maybe I can just watch this one episode...)
--
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Theorem: For large values of 1, 1 approaches 2, for small values of 2.
Corollary (Hartman's Lemma): For most positive integer values of 1, 1>=1.

I haven't had the time to go back and look at the pilot, but if
you look at the necklaces, we should be able to id them by the
chain.  I know the half that Laura kept had the gold chain and this
is the one found in the train car and is now in the hand sof the 
police.  The other which was James' didn't have achain so he had to
get one for his half, and wasn't it some cord or leather looking
thing?  And the necklace the doctor has had the same type of make-shift
cord.  I will have to compare the tapes later tonight.
 
Scott "Cheesehead" Ladewig

This is Mallory speaking.

One more thing (at least at this point) about the sheriff/cult/cocaine
theory.  Maybe Cooper didn't talk to the log because he was with the
sheriff.  Cooper has already been so perceptive with those who
"haven't done it" that if the sheriff had anything to do with it, he
would know.  Also, what better way to spend so much time with a
suspect than to work with him?

Hey!!! Am I crazy or am I the only one who noticed a non-verbal signal
(during the second episode) between a policeman and the owner of the
gas station (Ed) while Ed was bailing out James at the police station.
The signal was a touch of the nose a la "The Sting."  Please let me
know so I can restore my sanity...at least until the next Tw'eaks
episode.  


Mallory

Ciao-


Okay, the reports revealed that Laura had sex with at least 3 people.
Now, I am not too sure if one of the guys was James, since in the
tape she sent the Psychiatrist she went on and on about how straight,
goody-goody James was; also, James said that she was actting odd and
just took off, so he did not spend much time with her for anything
to happen so then who could the 3 be; now who was this
mysterious stranger she mentioned to the Pyschiatrist, is he the
One-armed man, from the way the Pyschiatrist reacted I got the 
impression that Laura was telling him about a sexual encounter
she had with the Mystery Man--for after she mentioned the
guy the Shrink put the headphones on. Now, I do not think
she had sex with the Shrink at least not within the past few days
since he seemed upset--back to the idea of her having sex with
the stranger--he broke down as if upset about her sleeping with
a stranger and not him.  She probably slept with Bobby; she spent time
with Bobby, and James said she mentioned that Bobby told her 
that evening (?) that he killed someone. The 3rd person would be the murder.  

Okay my guess to the 3 are: Bobby, the Mysterious man in the
woods, and the murder.

As for the murder: I do not think it was the Crying Cop, H. S. Truman,
the guy who found the body, Ed, Agent Copper. Also, I think that
although the Pyschiatrist is quite the prevert, and a tade bit
unethical, he is innocent. Bobby, Snake (?), and Leo are innocent
of her death though are guilty of another death, and are involved
in some sort of drug dealing--could come in handy as a storyline
if the show is renewed. James and Donna seem to be the show's
couple--possible romantic storyline for possible future episodes.
Now, I agree with a post ((cannot remember from whom)) that
had the murder as the Doc, Donna's dad; A) He seems a little to
good and normal to be a Twin Pikesian B) He acted really odd
when discussing the autopsy  C) He seems to a little obssessed
with "being good", etc. D) With his wife paralyzed he could
be a little repressed. He mentioned (keeps mentioning) about
delivering Laura, etc. I think that he delivers kids and 
expects them to grow up "innocent" etc, and if she does not then
he snaps and kills them.

As for the 'R' maybe all the letters spell out that saying
which was found in the abandoned train; could the message be
Biblical some satanic reference?

sally@mica.berkeley.edu

Sally A. Wilson

In article <1990Apr18.022638.2166@uokmax.uucp> gejohann@uokmax.uucp (Gene Edward Johannsen) writes:

> >Has a TV series ever been analyzed in this much depth before?

Only one other I can think of:

The Prisoner

Lynch didn't direct the 2nd episode.  The editor of the pilot did.

In article <13132@csli.Stanford.EDU> podlozny@csli.stanford.edu (Ann Podlozny) writes:
> >any ideas, though, on how the doctor would have found the exact spot
> >were donna and james buried the heart...

Psychic powers, of course.  They've already been demonstrated in the
pilot.

Another possibility is that, as an astute poster to this newsgroup has
pointed out, Laura's discussions with the doctor bore on her walks in
the woods.  She and James would both have known of the spot, and the
doctor might well have gone out there on the night after her body was
found.

There's only one necklace.  Lynch is subtle, and he is malicious, but
he is not cheap.
-- Tim Maroney, Mac Software Consultant, sun!hoptoad!tim, tim@toad.com "As I was walking among the fires of Hell, delighted with the enjoyments of Genius; which to Angels look like torment and insanity. I collected some of their Proverbs..." - Blake, "The Marriage of Heaven and Hell"

What a good idea for a newsgroup!  TWIN PEAKS is addicting isn't it.

I have decided a lot of it plays like a Raymond Chandler script for SLAP
MAXWELL. :-)

> >    This is Yogesh Kavita.  I am using my friend, Randy's account to use the
> >news board.
> >    Regarding Twin-Peaks,  I agree that the second episode was not as good as
> >the first, and the commercials sure did take some interest out of me.  But it
> >still is a good show.  I was very impressed with the first episode, and now I
> >am hooked.  I just hope it doesn't become too confusing.  

I'm surprised no one has pointed out yet that Lynch didn't direct the
second episode.  He directed the pilot (which, by the way, I don't
think was a pilot -- from the structuring of the commercial breaks,
which the network ignored, it seems to have been intended as the first
few episodes.)  The Lynch visual touches and his light touch with music
were clearly missing; no strange shots of traffic lights or ceiling
fans to contribute in an indefinable but powerful way to the ambience.

I think I also noticed some serious differences in the way he directed
the people.  Look, for instance, at the Norwegians reacting to the girl
with the melons (Audrey Horne, right?) in the first episode, their
strangely synchronized behavior indicating her deliberate control of
their actions.  There's nothing like that in the second episode.  In
addition, the trademark Lynch "making 'em dangle" tricks which
completely filled "Eraserhead" are gone.  We are never left with an
awkward pause or waiting painfully for the blow to fall.  The humor is
played straight ahead and the penetrating quality of the emotions
doesn't come through.  If I'd only seen the second episode, I probably
wouldn't bother with the series.  It was good, but not great.  Kyle
McLaughlin doesn't need Lynch, of course, but I think Lynch helps.
-- Tim Maroney, Mac Software Consultant, sun!hoptoad!tim, tim@toad.com "Every institution I've ever been associated with has tried to screw me." -- Stephen Wolfram

Tim Maroney writes:
> >Wayne Mesard writes:
>> >>Who didn't do it:
>> >>
>> >>1) That truck driver.  Too obvious.  He might have done that other girl
>> >>   (and just when are going to hear from her anyway?), but the smart money
>> >>   had already decided that the incidents were unrelated.  (You can
>> >>   quote me on that.)  Remember that the attack last year was in a
>> >>   different part of the state.  Truck drivers travel a lot.  And this
>> >>   one came home early the day after the rape with blood on his shirt.
> >
> >You've mentioned two of the main things indicting Leo -- he drives very
> >fast and his shirt was soaked with blood -- but missed a couple of
> >others.  One's obvious -- he obviously enjoys hurting women.  The other
> >-- the interior of his house has a lot of plastic wrap lying around,
> >apparently from unfinished improvements.

I think the plastic is a significant clue.  I've read several blurbs
where Lynch has said that there are clues if you look carefully enough.
Another clue is that fact that this was the second shirt that his wife
has lost.  Could the other shirt have been lost a year ago, about the
time of the first murder?  Could it be that she is making a collection 
of his blood stained shirts?  I would explain why he checked the washing 
machine to see if it was still there.  

>> >>2) The football boyfriend.  Killers don't have nice hair.
> >
> >Bobby killed somebody, but I'm not sure if it was Jocelyn's husband, or
> >the as-yet-unidentified stiff in the barn the year before.  I doubt he
> >killed Laura, though it's possible.  My bet is that he was paid by
> >Jocelyn to kill her husband, and that she's deeply involved with the
> >drugs and pornography in the town -- and possibly with Laura's killer.
> >In this case, still waters run deep.  You can tell from the direction,
> >specifically the way her face is presented and when.

It could be that Laura visiting Jocelyn for "English lessons" was just
a cover for something else.  I'm pretty sure that Laura was probably a
prostitute or something close.  Does anyone remember if the autopsy
showed that she had "sex" with three people or if she was "raped" by 
three people?

>> >>3) The biker.  (Gosh this guy's really good with names.  You can tell
>> >>   he's a real fan.)  Jack Kerouac characters aren't killers.
> >
> >James Hurley.  I'm sure he didn't do it.

I wouldn't put it past Lynch to have made the most obvious person have
done it.  He is working very hard to shake up the television norms, like
having people actually get upset when a person dies (one person even
posted that he though the whole town had done it because he couldn't
conceive of that many people being so shooken up).


A few thoughts:
1)  My current front runner is Leo.  He may not be the murderer, but he
is involved in something bad.  
2)  I think that we should accept is that Cooper knows what he is doing.
When he said that Laura was murdered by the same person as the girl in
the other corner of the state, it is either true, been made to look the
same by someone who had all the details, or is an elaborate lie.  I 
wouldn't put anything past Cooper and Truman.
3)  I think that Ed though he was drugged at the bar is important.  
4)  We will probably learn more about the partial blinding of Ed's wife 
and the cripling of the Doc's wife.  They may not be direct motives, but 
they will fill in more of the background.  The same applies to the 
One-Armed-Man, whoever he might be.  Also, what exactly has he done
so far?  Was he in the first episode?
5)  I'm pretty sure that there is only one gold heart.  Remember how they 
showed Laura breaking it apart in a flashback?  It would be pretty easy 
to match the halves once both are collected (Laura's is in custody and 
James' is safely hidden in a coconut).  
6)  I'm not sure if the shrink was laughing or crying at the end of the 
second episode.  The stuff one his tapes is vital to understanding
Laura's life (and death).
7)  The fact that the second girl got out alive is significant.  For some
reason, the murderer(s) didn't want, need, or have the time to kill her.  
Why?
8)  There is alot more to come out about the 'R' under the fingernail
and the note at the murder scene.  It is possible that the murderer
was a mad man who did it at random and all the detail we are going to
find out about the folks of 'Twin Peaks' are one GIANT MacGuffin/red
herring.  But I doubt it.
9)  I think the Log Lady knows something.
10) I think that we are going to find out about Diane, and it is going
to be hilarious.

Coments?

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In article <11126@hoptoad.uucp> tim@hoptoad.UUCP (Tim Maroney) writes:
}>
}Bobby killed somebody, but I'm not sure if it was Jocelyn's husband, or
}the as-yet-unidentified stiff in the barn the year before.  I doubt he
}killed Laura, though it's possible.  My bet is that he was paid by
}Jocelyn to kill her husband, and that she's deeply involved with the
}drugs and pornography in the town -- and possibly with Laura's killer.
}In this case, still waters run deep.  You can tell from the direction,
}specifically the way her face is presented and when.


I can't see Bobby killing Laura when she had his $10,000 in her safe deposit
box.


-- Stuart.Lynne@wimsey.bc.ca ubc-cs!van-bc!sl 604-937-7532(voice) 604-939-4768(fax)

In article <1990Apr17.183149.20841@vicorp.uu.net> chaz@vicorp.UU.NET writes:
> >
> >I think the second episode was not near as good as the first.  The
> >commercials have come in full force now, and the pace of the scenes
> >have been sacrificed in the process.  On one hand it seems
> >like they want to pack a lot of action in, to keep people's attention
> >up.  On the other hand, they have much more time than a typical movie,
> >so the topics drift, creating a kind of soap opera feeling, many 
> >characters but no coherent plot or subplot (of course, it's the 
> >beginning).  The second episode did not
> >move near as well as the first.  The commercials slice it all 
> >up even further.  Lynch is fighting the medium.

This is a false assumption. Firstly, Lynch didn't direct the second episode,
only the pilot. However, he is a co-writer on both episodes. Secondly, I
heard an interview with Lynch last week on "All Things Considered". He said
that his first thought was that he would have a problem with tv because of
commercials. But, now he loves the idea of commercials. He said that he likes
the idea of splitting up the story into 11 minute segments. He thinks it is
good for the audience to be able to have a couple of minutes to rest and then
they can get back into it again. He said he likes the idea so much that he
is thinking of putting breaks like that into feature films where ushers will
come out during the breaks and sell hot dogs.


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In article <0KSH6VP@xavier.swarthmore.edu> hartman@cs.swarthmore.edu (Lord Tattersall) writes:
> >(2) WHAT?  What was Leo doing slicing up that football just before
> >Shelley got home (and who but David Lynch would include a scene of a
> >psycho slicing up a football with a kitchen knife)?  Someone suggested
> >that Leo was trying to hide something in it, but then realized that once
> >a football's been sliced open, it's probably not a very good hiding
> >place.
--- spoiler -----

In this week's episode it's pretty obvious that Leo is aware of what Bobby
is doing to his wife. 

There is a secret meeting in the woods with some pretty veiled threats by
Leo to "take care of it". He ends by suggesting that Bobby go "out for a
pass" while he waves a shotgun at him. When Bobby and his friend arrive back
at their car there is a miniature football on the hood.

So the sliced up football would seem to be a token of Leo's affection for
Bobby. I guess he's just waiting for Bobby to fork over the last $10,000
before killing him.


-- Stuart.Lynne@wimsey.bc.ca ubc-cs!van-bc!sl 604-937-7532(voice) 604-939-4768(fax)

In article <3868@ursa.UUCP> jmd@ursa.UUCP (Josh Diamond) writes:
}In article <54988@bbn.COM> mesard@labs-n.bbn.com (Wayne Mesard) writes:
}>Not <wachtel@cis.ohio-state.edu> writes:
}>>Why is there a struggle for power at the wood-mill
}>>between the old woman(darn, what's her name?) and the oriental chick?
}>
}>The woman who runs the mill is the O.C.'s sister-in-law.  Mr. Packard
}>(sp?) died (I got the impression it was <1 year ago) leaving the mill to
}>his widow (the O.C., hereafter Mrs. Packard).
}
}Yes, but as we learn this week, the widow is in bed with the guy who is
}trying to sell real estate to the norwegians (laura's dad's boss).  I 
}think she want to get hold to the land which belongs to the mill for
}real estate development.  At this point in time, I can't see that it has
}anything to do with laura.

It's not a so much of a power struggle as an attempt to get the land the
sawmill is on by fraudulent means for a larger real estate deal.

Catherine Martell is in a silent partnership with Mr. Horne. She is cooking
the books to drive the sawmill out of business (although last week there was
talk of hurrying things along with a fire).

---- spoiler ------

This week Mrs. Packard and Pete Martell join forces to investigate the books.

Mr Hornes brother (?) arrives back from a trip. He seems involved in the
land deal somehow.



-- Stuart.Lynne@wimsey.bc.ca ubc-cs!van-bc!sl 604-937-7532(voice) 604-939-4768(fax)

In article <JOEE.90Apr17140700@jord.uio.no> joee@ifi.uio.no (Joe Siri Ekgren) writes:
}
}Joe Wolfe writes:
}> I read recently that David Lynch and company added a 19 minute ending to the
}> pilot episode for video release in Europe.  In that version, the murderer of
}> Laura Palmer, the prom queen babe, is revealed.  Does anyone know who that
}> version reveals to be the killer?
}
}I recently saw the video "Twin Peaks" here in Norway, and I assume this was
}the european version.
}
}Bob, a former disciple of Lucifer, has mended his ways (and in the process
}unmended an arm, which had become an instrument of satan. Fashion-
}forecast for this summer: cutoffs.). Now the three venture into the 
}hospital basement for a showdown with the dark farces, errh forces,
}and its local representative, a former acquaintance of Bob. There we
}find a candle lit Lucifers pentangle, thus disturbing the killer's esoteric 
}rendition of "I love Lucy". The killer, who hasn't appeared in the movie
}till now, is as coherent as a qualuded Quale. He confesses two murders and 
}reveals his motive: Eventually the first initials of all the young
}girls fallen victim will spell his name. (Another victim of the National
}Spelling Bee Program.) As Bob shoots killer, the FBI agent says "Make a
}wish...", and a wind whispers in the basement extinguishing the candles in
}the pentangle of Belzebub. Darkness.

}In a surrealistic surroundings the FBI-agent is seated vis-a-vis a dwarf
}and the late Laura Palmer, all three easily conversing in a strange lingo.
}(Were these scenes run through a vocoder, or did Lynch splice the soundtrack
}the way the Beatles made the merry-go-round music* in "Mr. Kite"** ?) The
}dwarf does a dadaesque solo-number, whereafter Jeffrey Beaumont engages Laura.

---- minor spoiler ------

Some of the above (not all though) comprises the last 8 minutes of this
weeks episode. I thought I was watching something from the Prisoner.

Is this getting strange? Or what? I don't know, what's on third... who's on
first.

-- Stuart.Lynne@wimsey.bc.ca ubc-cs!van-bc!sl 604-937-7532(voice) 604-939-4768(fax)

In article <71040@aerospace.AERO.ORG> lubofsky@aerospace.aero.org (Nick Lubofsky) writes:
> >
> >Harry might be trafficking the cocaine, which is probably the
> >reason for the FBI investigation in the first place.  I'm not an
> >authority, but would the FBI even get involved with just a couple of
> >local murders? But cocaine is a different story.  Especially if it's
> >major trafficking.  
> >
> >Whatcha think?  Any contradictions from the plot line?  Let me know.
> >

In the pilot Sheriff Truman is talking to Agent Cooper when he arrives and
says that he is glad the girl (the one who survivied and is in the hospital)
stepped over state line so the FBI could become involved. I assume that 
possibly the bridge we saw her walking across was a state line separation.
And there is also the major discussion about "serial murders". With the
recurring letters under the fingernails, etc. Cooper mentions that this has
been happening in other states with the same M.O. in the past.


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I saw a brief preview for this week's show. Agent Cooper supposedly has a
dream that "tells him who the killer is". There were wierd shots of candles
lit in a circle and some other satanistic references.

I can't wait. Can you?


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a) The missing necklace piece- One possibility that has not been ventured
into yet- perhaps the piece of the necklace found in the railroad car 
belonged to Ronette, and not Laura.

b) Dr. Jacoby (the psychatrist, and the one who was listening to a tape of
Laura at the end of the first episode) was one of Laura's lovers, most 
likely. I don't think he is the mysterious 'one-armed' man, but I didn't
look at his arms, time to re-check the tape...

c) Leo (the truckdriver) is scum, but I don't think he is the killer. He might
have had something to do with the killings, however. (There could be more than
one killer, you know...)

d) The sub-plot with the mill is just a sub-plot- this is a soap opera type
format, you know- gotta develop other plots and all...

e) All in all, a damn (excuse me) fine show. Most amusing.


                            \ | / |     o   |i waited for you to fall in love 
Have a day!               `,-------.'  o    |with someone else, to get tired of
rON.                     |\| '  ,' 0|-  o   |my difficult ways, to tell me 
blowfish@carina.unm.edu  | |  ' > ' |< o    |finally i'm leaving you, you're
'Your mother was         |/| '  '   |       |hopeless, but you didn't and now
  a blowfish!'             `-------/,       |i'm faced with the biggest terror
                            \ | / |         |of my life, knowing i am enough
                                            |even at my worst for you to love
                          'a blowfish'      |me all your life...
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In article <39996@cornell.UUCP> culbreth@cs.cornell.edu (Pamela Jean Culbreth) writes:
.I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the HILARIOUS scene
.at the restaurant when Cooper is ordering breakfast.
.He's talking about grapefruits (or something like
.that) and that girl (the one who poured water all over
.the papers on the desk in the pilot) walks over to him
.as he focuses on her... er, well, you know.


Grapefruits, coconuts, "twin peaks"?  Methinks Lynch is
a tit man.

Keith

In article <331@van-bc.UUCP>, sl@van-bc.UUCP (Stuart Lynne) writes:
> > In article <0KSH6VP@xavier.swarthmore.edu> hartman@cs.swarthmore.edu
(Lord Tattersall) writes:
>> > >(2) WHAT?  What was Leo doing slicing up that football just before
>> > >Shelley got home (and who but David Lynch would include a scene of a
>> > >psycho slicing up a football with a kitchen knife)?  Someone suggested
>> > >that Leo was trying to hide something in it, but then realized that once
>> > >a football's been sliced open, it's probably not a very good hiding
>> > >place.

Since Bobby said that he had given half of the money to Leo already, maybe
he hid it in a football?

 - Wilson

PS   I think it's obvious --- the log did it.

Just a thought about the necklace(s); didn't we see Laura give James the 
Half-Heart in a flashback? If that is so, then why does it follow that the 
person with the half corresponding to the one at the scene of the crime is 
the murderer?  Wouldn't the half-heart be just as likely to prove that Laura 
and James were really in love, and that even if she said she couldn`t see her 
anymore she must still love him or she would have asked for it back? 
Seems to me that if the Sheriff finds out that Laura gave the half-heart to 
James and he no longer has it, then that casts suspicion on him.  (and how 
would James know that the Sheriff didn`t already know...it might have been in 
the diary). 

Of course, no matter who dug up the heart, we are left with the problem of 
how he knew where it was.  Perhaps James had a change of (half-)heart and 
retrieved it and the doctor does indeed have a different half-heart.  

Perhaps she did give half-hearts to all her lovers, making sure that it was 
always the same half.
-- Brian Utterback, Millipore Corporation, 75G Wiggins Ave., Bedford Ma. 01730 Work:617-275-9200x8245, Home:603-891-2536 INTERNET:: blu@millipore.millipore.com UUCP:: {samsung,cg-atla,merk,wang,bu-tyng}!millipore!blu

OK, while we're on the subject of necklaces....

Several of you have suggested the possiblity that there is *more than
one* heart necklace.  Let's get an authoritative accounting of who
(which characters) has or does possess a heart necklace and which half
of the necklace they possessed.  I have not been taping the episodes so
I encourage others to review their tapes to help verify this.

We will set a standard so that we will name the halves of the necklace
(or is it a pendant?) "right half" and "left half" with respect to
how the necklace appears from the front.   

            Left          ***   ***            Right
                         *   * *   *
                        * this*side *
                        *has writing*
                         *    |    *
                          *   |   *
                           *  |  *
                            * | *
                              *

Presumably Laura had *both* halves at one time.  Her body was found with one
half.  Does somebody know which one?

That should get the ball rolling.  Of course, this method of tracing the
killer will be useless if the "Twin Peaks" 's  continuity director isn't
doing his or her job.

In article <13139@csli.Stanford.EDU> podlozny@csli.stanford.edu (Ann Podlozny) writes:
> >
> >am i the only one who
> >is a little bit suspicous about donna? she seems a little too
> >squeaky clean.
> >
> >ap


I've been suspicious of her too; but then I remember the blonde girl (Laura
Dern) from Blue Velvet.  Lynch seems to have a thing about juxtaposing the
outrageously sweet with the outrageously horrible.

I think Laura's mother knew something was going on.  When she found that Laura
wasn't home that morning, she seemed to realize immediately that something VERY
BAD had happened.  Could the vision she had (the man behind the sofa) be
someone she had seen before?

Liz

During the ending of the first regular show, one of the deputy
saw the one armed man walk into the morgue.  But on the side
of the morgue it said that the room also control life support.
Does that mean that the Ronnette Pulaski the third victim is
in danger of being kill again?
Wintermute
-- I know how to choose them. Big Ed Hurley

sally@eris.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes:
> >As for the 'R' maybe all the letters spell out that saying
> >which was found in the abandoned train; could the message be
> >Biblical some satanic reference?

I think the reference is to the song that Eddie the Shipboard Computer
starts to sing when the crew of the spaceship Heart of Gold is suddenly
attacked by nuclear missiles on the planet Magrethea.  Unfortunately,
I can't quite recall all the words, but it starts: "When I walk through
the fire..."   I think it's a hymn.
 
-- Lyle Wang lws@comm.wang.com 508 967 2322 Lowell, MA, USA uunet!comm.wang.com!lws

I read in TV Guide that for the European version Lynch just grabbed a crew member who looked interesting to be the murderer.

Incidentally, Lynch sure does stick with actors he likes, doesn't he?  Not
only Kyle McLachlan, but also Jack Nance of Eraserhead.

/ hpcupt1:alt.tv.twin-peaks / wachtel@shawnee.cis.ohio-state.edu (randall w wachtel) /  1:08 pm  Apr 17, 1990 /
Hi,

>> >>    An untouched subject:  Why is there a struggle for power at the wood-mill
>> >>between the old woman(darn, what's her name?) and the oriental chick?  Does 
>> >>it have to do anything with Laura Palmer or is it just a power struggle?  I
>> >>remember the quarrel between the two
>> >>when the younger woman wanted to close the
>> >>mill on account of Laura's death, and the older one fought not to.  I remember
>> >>the older woman saying "It's time we gave her some real trouble (or something 
>> >>like that)".  And why is the sheriff not seeing her(the younger one, I promise
>> >>to get the names next time) in public?  What is he afraid of?


The oriental woman was the wife of the mill owner, who died.  The old woman is
the mill owner's sister.  The oriental woman got the mill in the mill owner's
will and now the old woman wants to ruin her.  


Jamie Odell
jodell@hpda.hp.com

In article <2363@ariel.unm.edu> sdavey@hydra.unm.edu.UUCP (Sean Davey) writes:
> >how many necklaces are there?  if the murdered girl's secret boyfriend had
> >one half, and so did her shrink, and supposedly the FBI knows about it
> >somehow (they're looking for the other half), that's too many halfs.
> >Sean
> >p.s. i haven't see the pilot, so i hope this isn't a stupid question.

   At the end of the pilot Hurley (I hope the spellings right) buried his half
of the necklace in the forest.  An unidentified person was shown walking through
the woods and he/she took the necklace.  I would assume that this person was
the shrink.



  
Peter Ciulla,Jr.                                                  GO METS!
peciulla                                                       GO RANGERS!
___________________________________________________________________________
|                              |                                          |
|                              | ...It's an awful strain being a crook.   |
|  Those who Race toward Death |      But it helps you to accept society  |
|  Those who wait              | and forgive your fellowman.  Once that's |
|  Those who worry             | done no person should be a crook unless  |
|  -Jim Morrison               | he really needs the money.               |
|                              |    -Mario Puzo, Fools Die                |
|______________________________|__________________________________________|

i too, had heard lynch did not direct the second episode.  i
didnt think it was nearly as mesmerizing as the pilot.  anyone 
know if he will be directing any more of the series?

In article <39996@cornell.UUCP>, culbreth@svax.cs.cornell.edu (Pamela Jean Culbreth) writes:
> >By the way, is anyone else's VCR working overtime now
> >that TP and Cheers are on at the same time?  Major
> >conflict for me there.
 
  Oooohhhh yeah. I have to make sure it's set to record "Cheers" and then 
watch Twin Peaks. And then I have to watch "Cheers" before next week... sigh
===============================================================================
                gary%maple.decnet@pine.circa.ufl.edu : Internet

  There was a beat-up VW van with a "Just Say Sho' To Drugs" bumper sticker
parked next to my ultra-cool black '65 Stingray Corvette with sheepskin seat
covers. I promptly planted a kilo of C-4 underneath its gas tank and once back
on University Avenue, detonated it, reducing the van and everything nearby into
a pile of charred scrap. Nobody parks piece-of-shit cars next to my wheels.

Chet Erez writes:
> > A few thoughts:
> > 7)  The fact that the second girl got out alive is significant.  For some
> > reason, the murderer(s) didn't want, need, or have the time to kill her.  
> > Why?

Are we sure that Laura was killed in the boxcar?  Why would the killer go
to such great lengths to wrap Laura's body in the plastic and take it to
the lake and yet leave Ronette still alive?  Remember, Ronette was mumbling
something like, "don't go in there . . .", which indicates to me that she was
there before Laura was.

Is it possible the Laura left the boxcar alive, maybe not too well off though,
and then murdered by someone else?

I maybe totally off my rocker.

I would like to add, my roommate and I really like Twin Peaks and this
news group.  It is great getting other people's opinions.

That's all

Missie Williams

In article <1993@zipeecs.umich.edu> liz@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Elizabeth Zaenger) writes:
>> >>i too, had heard lynch did not direct the second episode.  anyone
> >know if he will be directing any more of the series?

I remember reading that of the 7 weekly shows (6 remaining), lynch
will direct two more...



ap

In article <1990Apr18.133017.4842@millipore.com> blu@millipore.com (Brian Utterback) writes:
> >Just a thought about the necklace(s); didn't we see Laura give James the 
> >Half-Heart in a flashback? 

yes.

> >If that is so, then why does it follow that the 
> >person with the half corresponding to the one at the scene of the crime is 
> >the murderer? 

I don't think it does, it just makes connections b/t people.

> >Wouldn't the half-heart be just as likely to prove that Laura 
> >and James were really in love, and that even if she said she couldn`t see her 
> >anymore she must still love him or she would have asked for it back? 
> >Seems to me that if the Sheriff finds out that Laura gave the half-heart to 
> >James and he no longer has it, then that casts suspicion on him.  (and how 
> >would James know that the Sheriff didn`t already know...it might have been in 
> >the diary). 

This is what makes me suspicious about Donna (although the poster who
made the Blue Velvet point about the squeaky clean in with the really
nasty was mighty perceptive...).  She had already been questioned by
Cooper, I think she knew they had the diary, they *certainly* had the
tape, and as above, just because he had the second half of the heart
wouldn't make him the killer anyway.  And he'd be brought in for
questioning once the relationship came out either way.  So why was
Donna so intent on getting rid of his half?  to protect him, fired
by her newly blooming love?  and if he's NOT guilty, then what's
all the fuss?  do they share some other secret, too?

> >Perhaps she did give half-hearts to all her lovers, making sure that it was 
> >always the same half.

that's what I thought at first, but no I'm not sure.  Someone with
a VCR should really check on the details of the necklaces/pendants...

ap

In article <331@van-bc.UUCP> sl@van-bc.UUCP (Stuart Lynne) writes:








> >--- spoiler -----
> >
> >In this week's episode it's pretty obvious that Leo is aware of what Bobby
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

where are you seeing this stuff?  who do you know? work for? sleep
with? buy off? kill? steal from? you get my drift...




ap

A few thoughts before *tonights* show. (In canada we're priviledged
to get it a day early).

1) The first scene from the pilot:

The way truman acted upon getting that phone call was pretty wierd. Instead
of asking 'who died' he asks 'where'. Why does he tell his secratary not to
tell anyone? It seems that he and Packard were expecting this.

2) How about some connection between the letter R and the RR diner?

3) When Bobby was released from jail, why did he tell mike that cooper
mentioned something about a biker? There's no way that he also noticed the
headlights in the video.

4) I think Bobby (and mike? and leo?) killed Mr. Packard the year before.

5) Why isn't anyone here talking about Audrey Horne and her brother? She
is pretty damn important. She knows alot. How else would she know that
laura was found 'face down'?

Eli

In article <10343@sun.udel.edu> conrad@sun.udel.edu (Jon Conrad) writes:
> >
> >On day 1, Bobby and Mike are sitting in jail, talking about the $20,000
> >they have to give to Leo (the trucker).  They have a problem because
> >Bobby gave half of it (he says) to Laura for safekeeping and now the
> >police have it.  But the other half, he says, he gave to Leo "last
> >night."
> >
> >Well, last night Leo was supposedly in Butte, Montana!  Shelley sure
> >thought so when Bobby drove her home after breakfast at the diner this
> >morning.  And Bobby sure acted surprised and dismayed to find Leo
> >around.  (And he had "called her from Butte" the night before.)  It
> >indeed was not in his interest to get caught there by Leo, yet he knew
> >he was around, having given him money the night before.
> >
> >So what's going on here?  Can't wait to find out....

I think the mistake you make is to think that the conversation between
Bobby and Mike in the jail took place on day 1.  It didn't, it happened in
day 2 (actually, I don't think we have one episode per day, but let's call
it that anyway).

The timeline is like this:

Day 0: (before the day of the first episode)

Laura Palmer spends some time with Bobby, then with James, and then
goes off and get's herself killed.

Day 1: (first episode)

Laura's body is found.  Ronnette wonders out of the hills.  Special
Agent Cooper is called in on the case.  Cooper and Truman find the
$10,000 in the safe deposit box.  

That same morning Bobby and Shelley are surprised to find Leo back
home.  

Bobby is picked up at the school and Cooper interviews him at the 
police station, then let's him go.  (if this all took place in one
day, it was a very RUSHED day).

Later that night Bobby and his friend show up at the Roadhouse, get 
into a fight and are put in jail.

Day 2: (second episode)

Bobby and his friend, in jail, talk about the money and Bobby says he
gave $10,000 to Leo "last night".  Now, "last night" would have been
Day 1, probably after Cooper and Truman let him go and before he went
to the Roadhouse and definately AFTER Bobby found out that Leo was back
in town (the money may have been a major reason why he was visibly 
upset at finding this out).  
-- Chris Andersen (..!uunet!sequent!toontown!chris) "life is like arriving late for a movie, having to figure out what was going on without bothering everybody with a lot of questions, and then being unexpectedly called away before you find out how it ends."

In article <13163@csli.Stanford.EDU>, podlozny@csli.Stanford.EDU (Ann
Podlozny) writes:
> > In article <1990Apr18.133017.4842@millipore.com> blu@millipore.com
(Brian Utterback) writes:
>> > >Just a thought about the necklace(s); didn't we see Laura give James the 
>> > >Half-Heart in a flashback? 
> > 
> > yes.
> > 
>> > >If that is so, then why does it follow that the 
>> > >person with the half corresponding to the one at the scene of the crime is 
>> > >the murderer? 
> > 
> > I don't think it does, it just makes connections b/t people.
> > 
>> > >Wouldn't the half-heart be just as likely to prove that Laura 
>> > >and James were really in love, and that even if she said she couldn`t
see her 
>> > >anymore she must still love him or she would have asked for it back? 
>> > >Seems to me that if the Sheriff finds out that Laura gave the half-heart to 
>> > >James and he no longer has it, then that casts suspicion on him.  (and how 
>> > >would James know that the Sheriff didn`t already know...it might have
been in 
>> > >the diary). 
> > 
> > This is what makes me suspicious about Donna (although the poster who
> > made the Blue Velvet point about the squeaky clean in with the really
> > nasty was mighty perceptive...).  She had already been questioned by
> > Cooper, I think she knew they had the diary, they *certainly* had the
> > tape, and as above, just because he had the second half of the heart
> > wouldn't make him the killer anyway.  And he'd be brought in for
> > questioning once the relationship came out either way.  So why was
> > Donna so intent on getting rid of his half?  to protect him, fired
> > by her newly blooming love?  and if he's NOT guilty, then what's
> > all the fuss?  do they share some other secret, too?
> > 
>> > >Perhaps she did give half-hearts to all her lovers, making sure that it was 
>> > >always the same half.
> > 
> > that's what I thought at first, but no I'm not sure.  Someone with
> > a VCR should really check on the details of the necklaces/pendants...
> > 
> > ap

Actually, I thought it was pretty clear why Donna convinced James to lose the
necklace.  She overheard her dad talking to her mom about Laura's
murder; her dad
said that the police thought that the killer had the necklace, because of
something that Dale Cooper said to that effect at the site of the murder.

 - Wilson

Does anyone have a writeup on what happened during episode 2?  I
saw the first episode, but my newborn (3 weeks :) and work :(
needed attention.... 

I've been able to piece together some by reading the postings, but
I'm sure I'm no where near the whole picture. (Definately not enough
to be able to enjoy #3 tomorrow night!)

Thanks!!


Craig


-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Craig Isaacs internet: craig@unify.UUCP Unify Corporation ...!{csusac,pyramid}!unify!craig

In article <13164@csli.Stanford.EDU> podlozny@csli.stanford.edu (Ann Podlozny) writes:
> >In article <331@van-bc.UUCP> sl@van-bc.UUCP (Stuart Lynne) writes:
>> >>
>> >>In this week's episode it's pretty obvious that Leo is aware of what Bobby
> >    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> >where are you seeing this stuff?  who do you know? work for? sleep
> >with? buy off? kill? steal from? you get my drift...

Nothing that sordid, CKVU is the local broadcaster (Vancouver BC) and they
are showing it at 10:00 PM Tuesday. 

I watched last night's show live, then ran through the tape after that. 

---- minor spoiler -----

I'm still totally flabbergasted at this episode. Nothing was resolved really,
but there is a few new things happening. We get some insights into Agent
Coopers philosophy of detection (to say the least). Mr. Horne and his
brother Jerry have some fun (wow) at One Eyed Jacks. On the whole a strange
episode.

And the ending is just weird. 

When I read the summary from the fellow in Norway about the European edition I 
thought it was a joke or parody. Well last night as I sat through the last
ten minutes I kept saying to myself, "it wasn't a joke, good god!."


-- Stuart.Lynne@wimsey.bc.ca ubc-cs!van-bc!sl 604-937-7532(voice) 604-939-4768(fax)

In article <1990Apr18.022638.2166@uokmax.uucp> gejohann@uokmax.uucp (Gene Edward Johannsen) writes:
}Upon rewatching the second episode of Twin Peaks I have a couple of comments
}to make...

}2) The man Laura Palmer's mother saw was not Leo.  It was someone we haven't
}   seen before, maybe never again.

---- Spoiler ---
According to the credits at the end of this weeks episode his name is
"Killer Bob". He's a good buddy of Mike the one armed man. And he's promising to


-- Stuart.Lynne@wimsey.bc.ca ubc-cs!van-bc!sl 604-937-7532(voice) 604-939-4768(fax)

In article <1990Apr18.022638.2166@uokmax.uucp> gejohann@uokmax.uucp (Gene Edward Johannsen) writes:
}Upon rewatching the second episode of Twin Peaks I have a couple of comments
}to make...

}2) The man Laura Palmer's mother saw was not Leo.  It was someone we haven't
}   seen before, maybe never again.

---- Spoiler ---

According to the credits at the end of this weeks episode his name is
"Killer Bob". He's a good buddy of Mike the one armed man. And he's promising to

With all the speculation about who the murderer(s) is(are), let's not
forget about Sven and the rest of the Norwegians.

Recall that in the first episode we learn via Ben Horne that Sven said
his air sacs "never felt better" from his early morning exercise.  The
police determined that the murder took place between midnight and 4 AM.
Just how early in the morning did Sven's exercise take place?  And just
what all was involved in the exercise?  He had the opportunity.

At the time of the previous murder, the Norwegians, who are real estate
investors/developers, might have been looking at properties in that part
of the state.  Another possible opportunity.

When Audrey coyly wanders into the meeting room supposedly to check out
the smorgasbord but in reality to cause mischief, Sven lustfully asks 
her, "can I help you, young, pretty girl?"  So it appears that Sven has a
thing for young, pretty girls, and Laura and Ronnette fit that 
description.  A possible motive.

After Audrey mentioned the murder, Sven became panicky.  Perhaps he was
afraid that he had been found out.  Very suspicious.

Sven and the rest of the Norwegians left town in a hurry once the murder
had been discovered.  Recall that Sven said to Ben Horne that he and the
group were leaving because it was "too dangerous".  "Too dangerous"
because he feared he might be murdered himself, or "too dangerous" 
because he might be discovered?  No one else has fled town.  Very, very
suspicious.

Mike Carlin

In article <1990Apr18.203604.7881@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> mposner@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Eli Posner) writes:
> >5) Why isn't anyone here talking about Audrey Horne and her brother? She
> >is pretty damn important. She knows alot. How else would she know that
> >laura was found 'face down'?

Well, I don't think it's that important.  I think she was just making
it sound more interesting for her audience.  Sounds more dramatic, don't
you think?  And she was going for a dramatic effect.  

Also, just because we don't see it on the screen doesn't mean it
doesn't happen in the story.  She could have heard from several folk.
News travels fast in a small town. 
-- - Barry gingrich%tisl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu OR bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU