Season 2, Episode 14: Double Play — February 02–08, 1991

In article <23043@ttidca.TTI.COM> lester@ttidca.TTI.COM (jim) writes:

> >What was [???]'s motive for shooting Cooper, anyway?  Or was this some kind
> >of ruse to flush out the real assailant?

HEY!  There are still people who haven't seen this episode and don't
want to know that it was Bobby who shot Cooper.  Be cool.  (I've taken
the liberty of removing Bobby's name from your article so that people
who don't want to know it was Bobby won't see his name up there.)


-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "The sun is one foot wide" --Heraclitus

In article <1991Feb2.012630.20260@nas.nasa.gov> kde@heawk1.gsfc.nasa.gov ( Keith Evans) writes:
> >In <1991Jan29.024111.5948@nas.nasa.gov> doron@cs.cornell.edu (Leor Doron) writes:
> >
>> >>   Dalai Lama... 
> >
> >I seem to have had the impression that the Dalai Lama was the head
> >of a Tibetan Buddhist sect, but from reading your posting, he seems
> >to be the Tibetan ruler.
> >
> >--
> >   Nam-myoho-renge-kyo, Nam-myoho-renge-kyo.
> >            Respectfully,
> >           Keith Evanskde@heawk1.gsfc.nasa.gov


Same thing.

In article <1991Feb2.012630.20260@nas.nasa.gov> kde@heawk1.gsfc.nasa.gov (
Keith Evans) writes:
> >In <1991Jan29.024111.5948@nas.nasa.gov> doron@cs.cornell.edu (Leor Doron)
writes:
> >
>> >>   Dalai Lama... 
> >
> >I seem to have had the impression that the Dalai Lama was the head
> >of a Tibetan Buddhist sect, but from reading your posting, he seems
> >to be the Tibetan ruler.
> >
> >--
> >   Nam-myoho-renge-kyo, Nam-myoho-renge-kyo.
> >            Respectfully,
> >                 Keith Evans            kde@heawk1.gsfc.nasa.gov
> >

The Dalai Lama is both a spiritual and a temporal leader.  That is, the
government of Tibet before the Chinese invasion was a theocracy.  The Chinese
used this as an excuse, claiming the peasants were being oppressed by the
priests.  You might say the Chinese thought they knew what the Tibetans needed
better than the Tibetans did, since as far as I can tell, they were happy with
theocratic rule.  Islamic fundamentalism (e.g., Iran), I believe, calls for the
restoration of theocracy in Islamic nations.

On the opposite end of the spectrum we have the USA where strict separation of
church and state is one of the most important theoretical features of our
government. Unfortunately, many Christian fundamentalists in the USA appear to
want a theocracy instead.  So far they are in the minority, but certainly some
local customs, if not laws, treat Christianity as if it were the state religion
of the USA.

I know, I know, you're all asking, "Why are you
posting this--it's FEBRUARY!!!"  Reasons: I've only
been doing E-mail for about a month now, and I
only received this recording from a friend about two
or three weeks ago (I'm tremendously lazy).  Anyway,
I'm sure you'll enjoy it nevertheless.  Comments
and/or questions would be appreciated.  On with the
show!!!  Oh, by the way, why are there 12 days of
Christmas anyway?


"THE 12 DAYS OF CHRISTMAS", "^TWIN PEAKS^" STYLE

Featuring (in order of appearance):
  Jack Nance (Pete Martell)
  Dana Ashbrook (Bobby Briggs)
  Frank Silva (BOB)
  Kyle MacLaughlin (FBI Special Agent Dale Cooper)
  Kimmy Robertson (Lucy Moran)

Lyrics:

  Pete: "On the 1st day of Christmas, my true love
         gave to me: A body, DEAD, wrapped in
         plastic."

  Bobby: "On the 2nd day of Christmas, my true love
          gave to me: Two secret diaries."
  Pete: "And a body, DEAD, wrapped in plasic."

  BOB: "On the 3rd day of Christmas, my true love
        gave to me: THREE POSSESSED SOULS!"
  Bobby: "Two secret diaries."
  Pete: "And a body, DEAD, wrapped in plastic."

  Cooper: "Diane, on the 4th day of Christmas, my
           true love gave to me: Four talking logs."
  BOB: "THREE POSSESSED SOULS!"
  Bobby: "Two secret diaries."
  Pete: "And a body, DEAD, wrapped in plastic."

  Lucy: "On the 5th day of Christmas, my true love
         gave to me: Five jelly donuts!"
  Cooper: "Four talking logs."
  BOB: "THREE POSSESSED SOULS!"
  Bobby: "Two secret diaries."
  Pete: "And a body, DEAD, wrapped in plastic."

  BOB: "On the 6th day of Christmas..."
  Pete: "...my sweetheart gave to me: Six fish in a
         percolator."
  Lucy: "Five jelly donuts!"
  Cooper: "Four talking logs."
  BOB: "THREE POSSESSED SOULS!"
  Bobby: "Two secret diaries."
  Pete: "And a body, DEAD, wrapped in plastic."

  Bobby: "On the 7th day of Christmas, my true love
          gave to me: Seven one-armed men."
  Pete: "Six fish in a percolator."
  Lucy (or someone, in an operatic singing voice):
        "Five jelly donuts!"
  Cooper: "Four talking logs."
  BOB: "THREE POSSESSED SOULS!" 
  Bobby: "Two secret diaries."
  Pete: "And a body, DEAD, wrapped in plastic."

  Cooper: "Diane, on the 8th day of Christmas, I had
           a strange dream: Eight dancing midgets."
  Bobby: "Seven one-armed men."
  Pete: "Six fish in a percolator."
  Lucy: "Five, uh!  F-five jelly donuts!  Sorry,
         oops!"
  Cooper: "Four talking logs."
  BOB: "THREE POSSESSED SOULS!"
  Bobby: "Two secret diaries."
  Pete: "And a body, DEAD, wrapped in plastic."

  BOB: "On the 9th day of Christmas, my true love
        gave to me: NINE OWLS LURKING!"
  Cooper: "Eight dancing midgets."
  Bobby: "Seven one-armed men."
  Pete: "Six fish in a percolator."
  Lucy (sounding really p.o.'ed):
        "FIVE, JELLY, DONUTS!"
  Cooper: "Four talking logs."
  BOB: "THREE POSSESSED SOULS!"
  Bobby: "Two secret diaries."
  Pete: "And a body, DEAD, wrapped in plastic."

  Bobby: "On the 10th day of Christmas, my true love
          gave to me: Ten drooling Leos."
  BOB: "NINE OWLS LURKING!"
  Cooper: "Eight dancing midgets."
  Bobby: "Seven one-armed men."
  Pete: "Six fish in a percolator."
  Lucy (sounding really p.o.'ed):
        "FIVE, JELLY, DONUTS!"
  Cooper: "Four talking logs."
  BOB: "THREE POSSESSED SOULS!"
  Bobby: "Two secret diaries."
  Pete: "And a body, DEAD, wrapped in plastic."

  Lucy: "On the 11th day of Christmas, my true love
         gave to me: Eleven cherry pies."
  Bobby: "Ten drooling Leos."
  BOB: "NINE OWLS LURKING!"
  Cooper: "Eight dancing midgets."
  Bobby: "Seven one-armed men."
  Pete: "Six fish in a percolator."
  Lucy: "Five jelly donuts!"
  Cooper: "Four talking logs."
  BOB: "THREE POSSESSED SOULS!"
  Bobby: "Two secret diaries."
  Pete: "And a body, DEAD, wrapped in plastic."

  Pete (in a rousing voice):
        "On the 12th day of Christmas, my sweetheart
         gave to me: Twelve cups of coffee."
  Lucy: "Eleven cherry pies."
  Bobby: "Ten drooling Leos."
  BOB: "NINE OWLS LURKING!"
  Cooper: "Eight dancing midgets."
  Bobby: "Seven one-armed men."
  Pete: "Six fish in a percolator."
  Lucy: "Five dozen donuts.  What?!"
  Cooper: "Four talking logs."
  BOB: "THREE POSSESSED SOULS."
  Bobby: "Two secret diaries."
  Pete: "And a body, DEAD, wrapped in plastic."
--
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Internet: 6600koga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu  2) "^TP^" by Angelo Baladamenti 
Bitnet: 6600koga@ucsbuxa.bitnet      3)  "STII:TWoK" by James Horner
Recommended CDs:        4) "Bugs Bunny on Broadway" by Carl Stalling

I have now received sufficient information to be either thoroughly
confused or in the know--which one will be the case remains to be seen. 
Thanks to those who sent me info.

John

Did anyone archive the entire 1/26 discussion here on the
net?  Could you send me a copy.   Believe it or not
someone here wants to use it in their class.  

Also a bunch us want a hard-copy for bathroom reading
and general amusement.  

Did anyone give R.D. Johnson, et al an Agent of the Month
award?

Looks like I missed the episode.  Please someone send oe a synopsis.  Thanks
in advance.

-JHarvey
1/26 episode:Was it live or was it memorex?

In article <27A9CEAF.23477@ics.uci.edu> bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes:
> >c2h5oh@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Idealistic Bibliomystic) writes:
> ><I'm amazed that no one has mentioned Audrey and Cooper's fabulous
> ><nude scene. Man, was that hot! I didn't realize you could show
> ><full-frontal nudity on network t.v.
 
> >Give me a break.  You obviously could not have seen the 1/26 episode, or
> >else you're lying your ass off.  Nothing like this happened in the
> >Twin Peaks I saw that night.  Geez, talk about giving fuel to the people
> >who think this episode was a hoax...


Hey dude - don't get pissed at *me* because your station was too
tight-ass to show the "X" version....
-- c2h5oh@ucscb.ucsc.edu | "Now what on earth does 'cream the butter' | mean? I'd better look it up. I hope it's in | this dictionary of Pictish and Proto-Saxon."

SPOILER WARNING FOR 2/2/91 ( 2014 )



( A crying shame to make the 1/26 episode ( 2013.5 ) just one of Andy's bad
  dreams brought on by a bad doughnut.  At least it revealed much about his
  attitude to Dick. :-)

But here are some random thoughts about some story lines.

1. Windom Earle ( I prefer Wyndham )
        Casting Kyle's brother Craig as the murdered vagrant added a neat in-
   side joke and gave a nice eerie feel to the scene.  The writers were ghoul-
   ishly imaginative in designing the corpse's condition.
        And did anyone see in the closing credits whether Carole Lynley was 
   listed as playing Caroline Earle.  Perhaps she's the Diane ( pet name? )
   Cooper keeps talking to.  After all, we did see just "parts of her."
        And I'm glad to finally see Kenneth Walsh in the WE role ( at least 
   not in disguise ).  He certainly has the right look for the character 
   ( Check out his hair. ).  One thing though:  Cooper's really hyped him in
   his recount of WE's life.  So Walsh BETTER live up to this big hype, else
   he just might ruin the show by disappointing us.  Still, this is the best 
   candidate we have for a central focus right now ( and a neat way to keep
   Cooper around ).

2. Leo Johnson
        Leo's awakening was a chilling scene, but somehow I found it uninvolv-
   ing.  Perhaps if it had better direction it would've worked better.
        With that owl buzzing Leo, I wondered whether BOB was psychically con-
   trolling Leo.  More likely though, he's just peeking into the Johnson house
   to enjoy the spectator sport.
        So Leo's run into Windom.  I bet he's in more danger now than Shelly
   was at the beginning.  That's a nice irony.

3. The White Lodge
        Too little seen today, though Major Briggs becomes more intriguing by
   the minute.  Scott Frost's rather awkward lines work best with Briggs 
   though.

4. Packard-Eckhart
        I've never been able to understand this mess, and so I'm giving up 
   following this line.  Still the scene with Catherine and Andrew certainly
   strengthened previous assertions of possible incest between the two.  Brr.
        And I'm glad to see David Warner in as Thomas Eckhart.  I remember his
   good performances in films such as "TRON" and "The Omen."   And remembering
   that, perhaps they could have little Nicky save the day by beheading Eck-
   hart in the end, perhaps by smashing him through a windshield. :-)

5. James and the Marshes
        Who cares?!!  James was REALLY unlikeable in this episode, acting like
   a self-righteous jerk without the common sense to get out when the get-
   ting's good.  The problem now is more than James Marshall.  I think James
   Hurley has to go altogether, and I'm sure there are others who agree.

6. General Ben Horne
        I really liked the beginning of this line in 2011.  But it's really 
   lost its appeal to me and now just seems pathetic.  The only thing I came
   away with from this story was a resolve to NEVER have a shrink like Dr. 
   Jacoby.
        Oh, yeah.  Another thing occured to me upon hearing Beymer and Tamblyn
   singing:  It HAS been a long time since "West Side Story." :-)

7. Mrs. Milford ( What IS her name?! )
        This story really gives me the creeps.  Mrs. Milford isn't so much a 
   character as somebody's fantasy come to life.  That's fine, but I think the
   show wastes its time when it dwells on superficial characters.  Still the
   scene where they took time off for a commercial while they waited for Mrs.
   Milford to work her magic on Dwayne was a neat gimmick.  Excedrin, anybody?

8. Little Nicky
        Andy's as hilarious as ever!  His trouble with the rubber glove was a
   classic.  I also loved the scene where Dick and Andy wind up crying after
   hearing Nicky's sad story.  Warren Frost gave a bravua performance here in
   reciting the story ( which had some intriguing aspects that might connect 
   him to BOB ).  Though personally I wonder, could Dr. Hayward have been WE
   in disguise?

     Overall a good episode though nothing really outstanding.  I think these
many storylines though should keep it running along smoothly for the rest of
year.

     Well, see you in a week, maybe sooner. 

To everyone -

Juan F. Lara

Truman:  Hawk, you better get that search warrent for Harold Smith's house and
         get that diary.
  Hawk:  I will, Sheriff Truman, just as soon as I finish my good cup of cof-
         fee.

I thought the Leo awakes scene was pretty awesome.
The shredded plastic at the end was especially eerie.
How many people jumped out of thier seats when the Welch's hit the 'fridge?
 (I know I did)

Both the dead vagrant and Wyndham(Windom really, but that's dumb) staying in
the shadows w/ the bedraggled Leo were very wierd, too.

Hopefully Ending:
    1.  The Andy/Dick/Nicky thread
    2.  The Widow/Mayor thread
    3.  The James/Marsh thread

Russ Tamblyn was *great* as The Doctor! I'm glad he's back!
"What he needs now is both your understanding...and a Confederate victory."

General Lee(Ben Horne) is pretty good also. I just like it.
Jeb's, er, Jerry's astonishment and disbelief were great.

Looks like Audrey is the new chief at the Hotel.

I think both Andrew and Catherine may have bit off more than they can chew
by inviting Mr. Eckart....

Pete, of course, was sensational.  "We forgot the hot dogs..."

-Matt Brockman

In article <JHKXVTB@cs.swarthmore.edu> pouncy@campus.swarthmore.edu writes:
> >Did anyone archive the entire 1/26 discussion here on the
> >net?  Could you send me a copy.   Believe it or not
> >someone here wants to use it in their class.  
> >
> >Also a bunch us want a hard-copy for bathroom reading
> >and general amusement.  

Fortunately, all the 1/26 discussions were still available at
this site. I'll send them to you in e-mail.


--Mike



-- Mike Godwin, (617) 864-0665 | "That information, as I have repeated infinitely mnemonic@eff.org | to myself, is classified ... though the keeping Electronic Frontier | of secrets ... seems less meaningful to me now." Foundation | --Major Garland Briggs

did anyone else notice that when everyone was waiting in the hall for lyla
and dwayne (read: nympho and mayor) to "talk things out" that there was a
poster behind dr jacoby's head which read "... i use drugs"?  the top part
of the poster is cut off.  hmmmmm.

all in all, the 2/2 episode (imho, of course) was a refreshing return to what
i consider the 'old' cooper. a pleasure to watch.

so, did everyone notice:

* whenever a reference was made to the white lodge, the following
  shot was of the great northern *and* the waterfall? that's got
  to be the 'secret entrance' to the underground.

* russ tamblyn returns! (of course you noticed *that*) wasn't he
  married in season 1? now, of course, he's been effected by the
  world's sexiest woman (WSW - what is her name?)

* and, finally: the next episode's trailer? i heard albert!

oh, i can't wait. :-)

dave.

There was something really *stupid* about this week's episode.
There were times when I felt that it was all a bad dream.
The only good thing about it was that they killed off some
unpromising sub plots like the "Nicky is the Devil" storyline.
 
After defending Lynch for months against charges of
sexism, I found myself actually so grossed out by the portrayal of
women in this episode that I acually actually changed channels
(knowing that the episode would be shown again 2 hours later on
another station, mind you) because I suddenly just didn't think it
was all worth it.
 
First off, there was the way Shelley reacted to Leo's attack. Why
couldn't she get out the door?  Was the lock mechanism supposed to  
be too mentally challenging for her? Do you *believe* that!
 
And the postures she adopted as Leo stood over her with the axe...
For God's sake, why was she splayed out like that exposing her guts
to whatever Leo chose to do to her?!   Why wasn't she crouched to spring
aside, hands protecting her head and body?  Even though Shelley is not 
supposed to be super-bright, she does have instincts surely. 
 
And later on, we are treated to the image of Lucy checking her lipstick
after watching the major fall at her feet. This is totally unreal!  No one
on the face of the earth could be that cold and self-centred, and 
certainly not Lucy.  Sure, her pregnancy is making her a bit self-absorbed 
and sometimes she seems unsympathetic, but don't ask me to
accept that she would not be concerned if an aging men fell unconscious
before her eyes!  
 
Twin Peaks is always surreal but this episode was like
a bad dream. And with the parade of vamps, mysogynist too.
 
Hope things improve.
 
ann h.

There were some redeeming things about the Feb 2 episode.
 
I liked the end of Leo's attack - the strips of plastic
in the wind like ghostly streamers decorating a weird festivity.
 
I thought the fire in Eckhart's dark glasses was
funny and camp.
 
I like the fact that I'm left wondering if Evelyn's declaration 
of love to James was sincere or just part of her plan to entrap him.
 
I like the Windom Earle subplot.
Why did the vagrant look so much like Cooper?  Did Cooper know
*too much*  about the crime? What is the symbolism of the body being
corked with the pawn and the hands bound?
 
It took me a while (on my little black and white tv) to see what WE
was doing with the those pipe-things. I think his pipe music was the
incidental music as Leo was approaching his house (the black lodge)
and that WE drew Leo with his piping.
 
a.h.

jfl@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Juan F Lara) writes:

> >5. James and the Marshes
> >        Who cares?!!  James was REALLY unlikeable in this episode, acting like
> >   a self-righteous jerk without the common sense to get out when the get-
> >   ting's good.  The problem now is more than James Marshall.  I think James
> >   Hurley has to go altogether, and I'm sure there are others who agree.

SPOILERS CONCERNING FUTURE OF TWIN PEAKS FOLLOW


According to "Seventeen Magazine" (no, I don't read the trash, but my
sister does), James Marshall aka James Hurley is going to be leaving the
show soon to pursue a movie career.  I can only assume this means they're
going to kill him off somehow.  Also, in the "next time on twin peaks"
segment at the end of the 2/2 show, you can hear Donna saying, "Evelyn,
don't let him die!" or something very similar.  I assume she is referring
to James.

So, all you people who can't stand James (me included) will get your wish
soon.  I just hope they make his death interestingly gruesome. :)

--
bvickers@ics.uci.edu|"One who would guide a leader of men in the uses of life
brett@ucippro.bitnet| Will warn him against the use of arms for conquest.
                    | Even the finest arms are an instrument of evil:
                    | An army's harvest is a waste of thorns." - _Tao Te Ching_

From article <1991Jan27.202334.6638@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, by ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair):

>
> Did anybody else think the pile of stuff Ben was building in his office
> before he joined the Confederacy was a reference to the last episode
> of NORTHERN EXPOSURE?

Thanx to whomever sent over a copy of all the stuff about the
phantom 1.26 episode.

Things got pretty strange in our house Saturday night.
Here in Philadelphia the local ABC station decided to put
Twin Peaks on at 9 pm, rather than 10.  Imagine how someone
(like me) who's heard all about the great 1/26 hoax 
tunes on Saturday at ten for his regular Peaks fix and
sees an honest-to-god Mummer's band (these are local string bands
who look and act like minstrels) strumming away in full
regalia.  Add on top of that the usual news brief stuff about
SCUD missiles and Saddam insanity.  Once hoaxed, twice
shy.  I drank in the possibilities - heck, maybe there really
was a 1/26 show.  Maybe this was the local region telecast 
the net talked about - gophers in the midwest, Mummers out east.
I did not regain complete trust of my senses until I got a 
video-tape of the 2/2 show and watched it.  

1.  Leo's revival was mis-handled.  Other than one cut-away to an
owl hooting, nothing else put that scene in relief - either against
greater evil or greater good.  Only later when Leo meets Earl in the 
woods do such nuances kick in.  

2.  Let's see, BOB knew about Cooper's ordeal in Pittsburgh with
Earl's wife.  Earl probably kills his own wife and committed other
horrors - horrors worthy of BOB.  Now Earl's hanging out in the
woods with BOB and owls.  So's Major Briggs and his buddies.
Gee... does anybody else see any common denominators here?

3.  The Sheriff's sprinkler system sprays or drips water at
very striking moments.  It sprinkles BOB and it drips on 
a picture of Major Brigg's new scars (or was it a different picture?)

4.  I dunno, I like Ben's new personna.  Wasn't Leland this wacked
just before his murderous impulses got the better of him?

In article <1991Feb3.201942.25981@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> > 
> >First off, there was the way Shelley reacted to Leo's attack. Why
> >couldn't she get out the door?  Was the lock mechanism supposed to  
> >be too mentally challenging for her? Do you *believe* that!
> > 
....Hopee things improve.
> > 
> >ann h.

    Episode 2/2 did have an unusual amount of helpless sprawling, but
I have lately noticed-- because I am shopping around for a house-- that
an awful lot of door locks are arranged just as the ones that Shelley was
having such a hard time with-- you can't get out from the inside.

   More specifically, there is a deadbolt above the regular lock which
turns by a key only from the inside.  This is common on back doors which
do not have to be used very much.  If you lock that upper bolt at night,
you need a key to get out of it, even in an emergency.  Most homeowners
I've seen leave the key in the lock all the time so they can get out
in just such a circumstance.

   Leo must have taken the key out of the lock to trap Shelley in.  I'm
telling you, after that scene now I only want to buy a house with a 
regular "twist-on" deadbolt!  DEADbolt, indeed!

--
 ///////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
  Elizabeth E. LeClair  <lecl@midway.uchicago.edu>
  International House         Never hesitate to attribute anything   
  University of Chicago       to my libido.

In article <1991Feb3.201942.25981@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> > 
> >After defending Lynch for months against charges of
> >sexism, I found myself actually so grossed out by the portrayal of
> > ...
> > 
> >First off, there was the way Shelley reacted to Leo's attack. Why
> >couldn't she get out the door?  Was the lock mechanism supposed to  
> >be too mentally challenging for her? Do you *believe* that!
> > 

It looked to me like the locks were those annoying deadbolts that require
you to have the key to lock/unlock from the inside as well as the outside.
Regardless, I agree that Shelly seemed too helpless.

-boB   bobh@twinkie.bellcore.com


P.S. Was that Leo's patented soap-in-a-sock that he tossed at Shelly's
feet?  If it was, why did he do that?

I would really appreciate it if people wouldn't post sound files to this
group.Some of us out here aren't using 56000 baud TCP/IP connections like
the rest of you.  Some of us are even using microcomputers.

Don't take this as a flame -- just a polite request.

(BTW, anyone who wants to talk to me can try to explain why Mac owners are
so fond of BinHex when the rest of the network uses uuencode/uudecode.
Even us rebellious Amiga users.)

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In article <1991Feb3.201942.25981@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >After defending Lynch for months against charges of
> >sexism, I found myself actually so grossed out by the portrayal of
> >women in this episode that I acually actually changed channels
> >(knowing that the episode would be shown again 2 hours later on
> >another station, mind you) because I suddenly just didn't think it
> >was all worth it.
> > 
> >First off, there was the way Shelley reacted to Leo's attack. Why
> >couldn't she get out the door?  Was the lock mechanism supposed to  
> >be too mentally challenging for her? Do you *believe* that!

Obviously, the locks are deadbolts and the kind that
they had required keys to open them, from either side!

As for the lipstick and Lucy, the *funny* pause was just another
of those quirky, *amusing* Twin Peaks deals.

Geesh!

I think that you're just looking for something to gripe about!

-Matt Brockman

In article <1991Feb3.231247.28987@bellcore.bellcore.com> bobh@twinkie.UUCP (Bob Hettmansperger) writes:
> >Was that Leo's patented soap-in-a-sock that he tossed at Shelly's
> >feet?  If it was, why did he do that?

I believe that it was the telltale "Clean Feet" soap-in-a-sock!

Leo tossed it to her to show that the beating was just a game, and
that this was FOR REAL.

Nice Guy. 

-Matt Brockman

In article <11744@helios.TAMU.EDU>, dcheslow@xenia.tamu.edu (David A Cheslow) writes:
> > did anyone else notice that when everyone was waiting in the hall for lyla
> > and dwayne (read: nympho and mayor) to "talk things out" that there was a
   Yes I noticed that to, but I "thought"(it was hard to see) that above
the "i use drugs" part it said "Mom and Dad"...did anybody else see that
or were me eyes deceived ?

> > of the poster is cut off.  hmmmmm.
-- ______________________________________________ |-={Richard Moore}=- a.k.a -={Lombarr_Hisst}=-| |::Virginia Beach VA::::::::::::::::::::::::::| |:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::| ----------------------------------------------

Well with the death of Dougie Milford we have yet another victim of
the Twin Peaks' Honeymoon Curse. First, Margret, aka the Log
Lady's husband, trips and gets toasted the day after (of???) their
wedding; then there is poor Nadine, whose eye was shot out accidentally
by Big Ed during their honeymoon hunting trip; and now Dougie, who
died quite a happy man.  Looks like Mayor Milford will be the next
victim.  And ya gotta wonder how, when,  and why exactly did Mrs. Hayward
become a cripple???



Sally A. Wilson             || But you never know what can happen...
    || at the last minute...I mean I may
sally@mica.berkeley.edu     || actually think of something here;
         || and if I do you just watch out!

My turn to ramble!  

I've been withholding judgment on TP for its treatment of women, but this
episode really sickened me.  Shelley sprawling on the floor by the fridge
in terror, totally unable to do *anything*, just like Jessica Lange in that
bad remake of "King Kong", tripping and falling and then just lying there
screaming as the monster comes plodding closer and closer.  Jeez!  I tried
to justify it by thinking "Well, Shelley's been terrorized by Leo for so
long and is so shocked that he's awake that she's just *paralyzed* with
terror!"  But still.

Oh well, at least she finally grabbed that knife and stabbed him.  But she
shoulda stabbed him in the HEART, not the leg!

Then, having to cut from that to the Playboy Bunny Widow was a bit much.
And then when Coop is remembering Caroline, we get this misty-looking
blonde with windblown-hair, straight out of a Certs commercial.  She looked
totally unmemorable -- just another Face.  I was hoping she'd be someone 
interesting-looking and strong, like Sid.  Too much to hope for, I guess.

WE looks interesting -- I liked his entrance, all shadowed and ghostly.

Least favorite moment:  the revival of "Just you and I"!
Just yooooo
And iiiiii
Just yooooo
And iiiiii...
Tooo-gether....

Ben quoted Shakespeare again.  "We few, we happy few, we band of brothers"
is from Henry V, when the king (Henry V) is rallying his troops for the
battle of Agincourt.

Fave Quotes:

Coop: Windom Earle's mind is like a diamond; it's cold and hard and brilliant.

Jacoby:  What he needs right now is both your understanding and a Confederate 
victory.

Briggs:I will be in the shadows if you need me.  (?!)

[approximate quote.  Please fix!]
Jacoby:  What she does have is a heightened sexual drive, and a working
knowledge of technique, [? anatomy and sensation?] that few men have 
ever had the pleasure to experience, or the skill to match.
Harry:Is it hot in here?
Coop & Hawk:  Yup.
[yeah, I didn't like the *concept*, but it was funny.]


Kathleen
jespah@milton.u.washington.edu

Was it ever said who Malcolm was in relation to Evelyn???

When James finds out he was set up, she tells him "It was Malcolm's idea, he's
not my brother."

I actually assumed that when they kissed but who is he?

And who is David Warner?

I enjoyed the 2/2 episode--Leo reminded me a lot of Frankenstein's monster.

Only, what happened in the first ten minutes? (the show was pre-empted for a
basketball game)

Thanks in advance........

Seth (sgoldstein@eagle.wesleyan.edu)

Could someone please e-mail me a recipe for american cherry pie's, so
I can make pie's and 'damned good coffee' to our weekly
TP sessions.

Thanks.

Thomas Rohde (rohde@daimi.aau.dk)
Computer Sc. Dept.
Aarhus University
Denmark

PS! I'm danish, so I would prefer metric measures.

In article <5030@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> russelrd@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Russell) writes:
#In article <1991Feb1.184332.7872@nntp-server.caltech.edu> floom@nntp-server.caltech.edu (Laura E. Floom) writes:
#>
#>all this debate on weather 1/26 really happenned. the answer is clear to me -
#>
#>ONLY THE PURE OF HEART COULD SEE IT!
#
#You mean only the DAMNED and the GIFTED could see it!
#
#(now if I only knew which category I fit in....)

Damn You!  There, happy?  :-)

In article <27AC7D21.15694@ics.uci.edu> bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes:
> >jfl@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Juan F Lara) writes:
> >
>> >>5. James and the Marshes
>> >>        Who cares?!!  James was REALLY unlikeable in this episode, acting like
>> >>   a self-righteous jerk...
 
Hey, James is *always* like that.
 
I hope Evelyn lets him die.
 
a.h.

In article <5111@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> russelrd@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Russell) writes:
> >In article <1991Feb3.201942.25981@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >
> >As for the lipstick and Lucy, the *funny* pause was just another
> >of those quirky, *amusing* Twin Peaks deals.
> >
> >Geesh!
> >I think that you're just looking for something to gripe about!
> >-Matt Brockman
 
No, I'm just one of those people who require consistent characterization.
Perhaps it is the only thing I require.  I love the amusing quirks of humanity
as much as anyone but to apply lipstick while a sweet man could be dying of
a heart attack is the act of a psychopath.
 
If I wanted to complain of petty matters I would have complained about the
improper use of "shined" instead of "shone" in Doc Hayward's speach about
little Nicky. That bugged me!
 
a.h.

In article <1991Feb4.000733.38394@eagle.wesleyan.edu>, sgoldstein@eagle.wesleyan.edu
writes:
|> And who is David Warner?

   He played bad guys before in, I believe, TRON and Time Bandits.
|> 
|> I enjoyed the 2/2 episode--Leo reminded me a lot of Frankenstein's monster.
|> 
   That's exactly what I was thinking. The dialog sounded almost the same as
when the monster stumbles into the blind man's cabin. I was ready for Wyndham
Earl to offer him soup at any moment. We all know Lynch is not above using
cinematic allusions to other movies in Twin Peaks.

   Scene I want to see:
   Earl: "No, no Leo. It's only fire. Fire good. Fire, walk with me."
   Leo: "Aarrghhh..."

|> 
|> Thanks in advance........
|> 
|> Seth (sgoldstein@eagle.wesleyan.edu)