Season 2, Episode 01: May the Giant Be with You — September 30–October 05, 1990

Because of reception problems, I wasn't able to see either
American Chronicles or Saturday Night Live this past
Saturday. I will trade a copy of the European version of
Twin Peaks to anyone who can get me a clean copy of
both of these shows. Please send email if you can do this.

In article <1990Oct1.054603.17577@athena.mit.edu>, jerhy@athena.mit.edu (Jeremy A Hylton) writes:
[Lots of silly stuff deleted]
> >   Trying to create a theory that incorporates both the vision and the
> >giant last remarks, I come up with something like this:
> >   We know Sarah Palmer and Coop have seen him in their
> >visions.  One other person saw him -- now ready to talk.  That must
> >be Ronette as Laura can't haver much to say.  So, Bob is an alter ego
> >of Laura who both committed a murder and a suicide.
 
  Right. Laura killed herself, then wrapped herself up in plastic, rolled down
to the saw mill and waited for her body to be found.
 
> >   Note further that Laura asked James if he wanted to play with fire,
> >play with Bob.  Another reference that leads me to believe in some
> >sort of alter ego.
 
  Come on, give it up... Theories are fun, but when proven wrong they should
be dropped, not clung to.
  David Lynch used many things to indicate that a third person was ivolved.
The ending sequence (very well done I might add) shows Killer Bob very 
clearly, as well as a primal screaming Laura. It also shows a DEAD Laura,
with Bob kneeling, quite alive, by her body.
  Also, the killer of Laura Palmer is also supposed to be the killer of
Terresa. The letters under the fingernail, remember?
  It looks to me liek Laura somehow got involved with this Bob character
(drug dependancy, emotional dependancy, cult worship, something) and because
he was quite crazy, she started to lose her own mental stability.
  Or maybe Bob is the focal point of an evil manifestation in the woods, and
Laura caught some of it as a backlash.
  Not that I care that much. But it's certainly entertaining reading all the
desperate attempts here to keep pet theories alive in the face of new
data.
 
> >   What did Cooper forget?  Could it simply be he has not checked on Ronette
> >lately?
 
  Nah, any change in her condition and he was to be notified, remember?
What he forgot was the note that Audrey had slipped under the door. It had
been there when he arrived at his room, but having been shot a point blank
range, he never got a chance to read it... :)
 
> >Also, the camera work in the
> >halls of the hospital during Ronette's vision makes it look like someone is
> >walking towards her?
 
  The spirit of Killer Bob... Aaaaahoooooohhh!! Hehehehe..
  Hey, I wonder if they're gonna have a Halloween episode of Twin Peaks?
That'd be great.
 
[A little more silly stuff deleted]
> >   Finally, random spew about the happenings of yesterday's episode:
> >It's great to have Albert Rosenfield, R-O-S-E-N-F-I-E-L-D back.
> >(Though his square dance quote is good, I still like, "Look it's
> >trying to think.")
 
  Yeah, Albert is great. He makes Slap Maxwell look like Mother Teressa.
 
> > What is going on in Donna's head?  What happened
> >to Leland's hair?  What does the diary say about Blackie and what
> >happened when Jerry talked to her?
 
  Donna is probably worried about James's reaction to having seen Maddy
dressed up as Laura Palmer, so she's acting different to garner attention. Or
maybe Audrey's influence has rubbed off. Or maybe David Lynch doesn't care
about continuity...
  Leland's hair changed color. Didn't you listen? :)
  What do you mean, "what happened when Jerry talked to [Blackie]?" She's a
drug addict (Heroin?) apparently, and wanted her fix. Nothing mysterious
there.
 
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"That reminds me of the year I had a room next to Deidra's. Don't worry, all  
 I heard was your electric shaver. At least I *hope* it was her electric 
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    And now, as a rest from all the intense analyzing, theorizing, and ranting
about who killed Laura Palmer and what the season premeir really means, here
is a break down of some of my favorite funny bits from the season Premeir:
 
  - Agent Dale Cooper lying flat on the floor, suffering from a gunshot
wound and probably several cracked ribs. Old man comes in with warm milk.
Cooper points to the table and says "Put it over there."  By golly, this man
would probably straighten his tie in the event of a nuclear explosion!
 
  - Cooper lying on his back still, talking to Diane (via recorder). "If
you can just forget the fear..." Puzzled expression, as if the phrase were
familiar. That one took a moment to sink in but was worth it.
 
  - Cooper recovers in hospital bed, mentions how a wood tick had been itching
him so he had pulled his bullet proof jacket up part way. "That would explain
this, then," the doc says, and shows him the bullet with a tick stuck to it.
"Heck of a way to kill a tick..."
 
  - Cooper getting up and telling the doc how the strength of will has amazing
recuperative powers. "Just give me a few hours to put my clothes on."
 
  - Agent Andy bonking himself in the face with a loose board. This man is
going to be brain dead by the end of the series.
 
  - Andy and Lucy being assigned to search through three years worth of back
issues of Flesh World. Together. In the same room... Oh, and Lucy's reaction
to looking at the first page of one of the magazines.
 
  - The hospital food. Perhaps Agent Cooper will encounter some and call upon
the forces of Apple Pie to vanquish it? Oh, and Jack Nance's reaction to 
smelling the food...
 
  - Leland singing "Does Eat Oats" while Ben and Jerry to a dance routine.

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     CARL%NUCENG.DECNET@PINE.CIRCA.UFL.EDU  -  "Here, have a scooby snack."
"That reminds me of the year I had a room next to Deidra's. Don't worry, all  
 I heard was your electric shaver. At least I *hope* it was her electric 
 shaver."                  --Doctor, Doctor
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 * Audrey's not "praying" to Cooper, she's trying to send to him
   telepathically (tele-pathetically?).  I guess it doesn't work, huh.  

 * If the public and the critics do get fed up with TWIN PEAKS, as I'm
   beginning to suspect they shortly will, it won't be over not being
   told who killed Laura Palmer -- it will be out of revulsion at
   watching a taut, quirky thriller denegerate into schlocky mysticism.

 * If we locked Cooper into a closet and unleashed Philip Marlowe on
   this one, he'd rip aside the spiritual mumbo jumbo in two shakes and
   lean on the love angle: look for someone with the means, motive and
   opportunity.  Donna would be facing the music by Episode Three.
   Let's see how long Cooper takes.

 * Am I the only one who would like to call in Spenser and Hawk here?
   Jerk that sicko Jacoby's license and send in Susan Silverman to calm
   these kids down with glutinous psycho-babble while Spenser shakes
   down Ben Horne and Hawk blows away Hank, Leo, Bob and six or seven
   armed extras with that shiny cannon of his.  Cut to copter shot of
   Pugent Sound and tough-yet-sensitively philosophical Urich voice-over,
   then roll credits.

 * I know the cast has to get on with their lives between shooting
   seasons, but couldn't we have some semblance of continuity in a
   series whose action is still supposed to be taking place within days
   of the pilot?  If Fenn, MacLachlan, Ontkean, Beymer, Zabriskie,
   Ashbrook, Davis, Lipton et al. can look so convincingly back in
   character, why must we endure these radical appearance changes from
   Sheryl Lee (whose Maddy now looks like a trailer park slattern), Ray
   Wise (you *can't* tell me that "Daddy, your hair turned white" wasn't
   pasted into the script - I've watched enough soaps), Jack Nance
   (have a nice time in St Barts, Jack?), or Lara Flynn Boyle (something
   is wrong - hope she has friends).  I mean this was a second half drop
   in: people REMEMBER what the characters are supposed to look like.

 * The interminable opening scene with the clueless old geezer hovering
   over the felled and bleeding Cooper is atrocious, nearly unwatchable!  I
   haven't had so much fun with Lynch since ERASERHEAD, which I saw in 1978
   and clearly remember one-third of the audience walking out on about ten
   minutes in.  Go get em, tiger.  Of course ABC isn't in the business of
   supporting 'cult classic' charity cases with 10 shares, but you don't
   really want to be doing this show three years from now anyway.

 * Beware all second seasons.

-- The most common given name in the world is Mohammad; | Tom Neff the most common family name in the world is Chang. | Can you imagine the enormous number of people in the | tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM world named Mohammad Chang? -- Derek Wills | uunet!bfmny0!tneff

I thought killer Bob shown at the end was a recognizable TP character.
Stop now if you don't want to know.

Despite a previous poster suggesting Bob was Leland, I thought the
character in Ronette's memory/vision was Albert with long hair.  I
note also that the 'T' and 'R' found are spelling out 'Albert'
backwards (yes, I do realize it could spell 'Truman' forwards.)
Did anyone else think Bob was Albert?         

David Rind          rind@hscfvax.harvard.edu
"Back off man -- I'm a scientist."

Thank goodness (a rare commodity in Twin Peaks) someone clarified
the schizophrenia thing. It is particularly important since Laura
seems to be having schizophrenic episodes which point to her NOT
having a split personality. She is certainly haunted by something,
but it is hard to believe much of it could have happened in the
real world. Maybe an initial few molestations that triggered the
hallucenigenic horrors.


What really bugs me is that when you toss in these ideas of some
construct of Laura's mind becoming physical (the meat puppet theory,
the idea that BOB comes from another plane into this one), Twin
Peaks starts to sound like Nightmare on Elm Street--supplemenatary
entry. I can't see that as a Lynch plot.
--

   Count me in as one of those who doesn't like an apparent move towards
the supernatural.

   Any significance to (1) One-armed guy being a shoe salesman (2) Leo's
line ``Leo needs new shoes'' (3) Some kind of boot or shoe in the hiding
place Andy stumbled across?

Well I successfully downloaded your tp stack and have had fun playing
all the sounds.  Now, does it do anything other than sound?  I'm not
really familiar with hypercard yet.

--
jeremy..                                                ele@psuvm.psu.edu

Well, new season starts off with a bang.  Just some notes,
and then a speculation.

Well, the half-heart is on a leather thong again.  Unless the
chain transmutes depending on who owns it, I think we have to
write this one off as continuity error.

Who is the Friendly Giant ?  What supernatural force does he
represent ?  

I thought Audrey was tied up.  If she was, she should go on
tour as the greatest escape artist since Houdini.

So, Leo had a cocaine stash, and *a new pair of boots*.  And
then our one-armed shoe salesman shows up again.  Seems like
a tie-in to me.

Ronnette's returning blurry memories have the classic Killer
BOB in them.  Assuming that the killer is a character already
introduced (which is one of the few things we have been assured
of by DL/MF), why would he/she look like BOB ?  

And now the speculation.


I think Leland killed Laura.  In the first dream sequence (are
the giant visits dreams ?) Killer BOB states that he will capture
with his death-bag, and will kill again.  Who did we see in a
death-bag, emphasized again by the giant's words ?  Jacques.  And
Leland killed him.

Also, I think that in all the chaos of the train car scene, the 
letter 'R' ended up under the wrong girl's fingernail, and it
was meant for 'R'onnette (like the 'T'hersa Banks, earlier). In fact, 
Leland my have been thinking he was killing Ronnette the whole time, 
up until that wild scream at the end.  

I'm not betting the proverbial farm on any of this, of course. 

Darryl Cate

cate@csc.ti.com                     "just another Peak Geek"

Well, I'm tickled. I don't care who murdered Laura either.
I just like the puzzle. However, the question about whether
Bobby's repented makes me wonder . . . wasn't it cocaine
that Bobby gave to Shelley in the hospital? COCAINE to 
someone suffering from SMOKE INHALATION!!!??? Seems pretty
warped to me.

Another thing that confused me . . . now that we've seen who
Ronnette saw, how do we use that information? Is that BOB?
Is that someone we could have known about without reading
the diary, assuming it was BOB. It can't be Truman or 
Josie or anyone else that we've guessed at, can it?

That was a terrifying sequence at the end. I almost believed
the vampire theory! Laura sure looked more like she was engaged
in combat than she looked like she was defending herself against
some more powerful agressor. I saw it as a final conflict with
BOB. Spooky stuff.

--

All right, a question.  I can't remember if we found out who clubbed Dr. 
Jacoby behind the gazebo.  

If we haven't, my theory is that Leland did it.  Why?  In folklore, when does
someone's hair turn white instantaneously?  When they've seen a ghost.  Perhaps
Leland saw Laura/Maddie outside the gazebo.  This might also explain Leland's 
odd behavioral changes.  Now that he's seen Laura, he's okay.

Theory,
up flagpole.

Salutes?

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In article <38426@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> v22964qs@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
> >
> >
> >All right, a question.  I can't remember if we found out who clubbed Dr. 
> >Jacoby behind the gazebo.  
> >
> >If we haven't, my theory is that Leland did it.  Why?  In folklore, when does
> >someone's hair turn white instantaneously?  When they've seen a ghost.  Perhaps
> >Leland saw Laura/Maddie outside the gazebo.  This might also explain Leland's 
> >odd behavioral changes.  Now that he's seen Laura, he's okay.
> >
In my gigantically humble opinion, Leland did not kill Laura.  I think
it is clear that he clubbed Jacoby, though.  It seems to me that his
"recovery" is a result of killing jaques, either as revenge or to
eliminate someone who knew about his mistreatment (or potentially killing)
Laura.  But if he did kill Laura, and killed Jaques because Jaques was there
that night, why didn't he kill ronette while he was at the hospital as well?

Other comments: "Three have seen him."  So Leo and Jaques did not
see him.  Did Laura and Ronette go to the train car or did the Third Man
come by the cabin?  We know that  Jacoby and Leland like to walk and lurk
in the woods...  I think Blackie is a junkie.... How about the quote
"I'm back!" and the Horne brothers dancing to Leland's singing.  Those
Horne brothers sure are sleazy, but I no longer think they killed Laura.
I'll bet they (and Leland) were at one-eyed Jacks the night Laura died.

Ok, if you taped the premiere and haven't watched it yet, SKIP THIS ARTICLE!!


"Does this include a gratuity?"

1:  Ronette is clearly the one who has seen his (Bob's) body and is now ready
to talk.  Her grisly flashback at the end seems to me to kill the idea that
Bob could be anything other than a real live person.  No alternate
personalities or other nonsense, he's real.

2:  Arrgghhh!  Audrey is in trouble and Agent Cooper doesn't even know about
it.  The white knight in me was very frustrated by this :-).  P.S. Does anyone
know the actual age of Sherrilyn Fenn?  Clearly, she's not 18...

3:  We didn't find the diary this episode but we probably will next week.  Even
though I like the theory that Donna was somehow involved with Laura's murder I
think the fact that she will likely be the one to get the diary (while working
on Meals on Wheels) and turn it over to the authorities blows that theory.

4:  Who sent the message about Meals on Wheels?  If it was the old guy who
has the diary, it would seem easier to just send her a message to come see him.

John Munsch

In article <2079@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> todd@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu (Todd Smith) writes:
> >
> >Q> What were the three prophecies made by the (tibetan?) giant?
> >

   Nope. I don't think the giant is Tibetan. I think he is one of the spirts of
Twin Peaks. Possibly an incarnation of the Giant who was frozen as one of the
mountains. The good one of course.

   Oh, yes. I've finally figured it out. It isn't a mystery. It is a
Supernatural Thriller. The next time somebody points out how strange the show
is for a mystery (after all, BOB isn't even on the suspect list), just tell
them that it isn't a mystery.
-- _ _ _ The Rule of Fives: All things happen in 5s or multiples of / ) ) ) / 5 or are in some way directly or indirectly related to 5. / / / __/_> "The harder I look the more I find this to be true." / ( (_/(_) \ -Malaclypse the Elder, KSC

It's a rather common theatrical device that halfway through a drama
all the apparent `bad' forces become `good' forces and vice-versa.
Here we have good characters Maddy and Donna turning bad (Donna
has become a gun moll!!) and bad characters Bobby and Audrey
turning good.

Mozart's MAGIC FLUTE (an opera) was a case of this.  Schikanaeder (sp?),
Mozart's librettist, wrote a standard `rescue plot' called the Magic
Flute for Mozart.  During production, it was found that there
were operas being produced at compteting companies with the
identical plot, so (with some desparation) they mangled the
plot so all the evil forces became good (the evil Zorastro [sp]
becomes a magnanimous father-figure, and the captured princess'
mother becomes the evil Queen of the Night).  The result is one
of the most absurd dramas with some of the most wonderful music
ever written.

By the way (if anyone's still reading), was Frost/Lynch trying
to telegraph to us that the Log Lady is the one who sent the
note "LOOK INTO MEALS ON WHEELS" to Donna?  Right after she
gets the note, the camera pans to the Log Lady, who is looking
very self-satisfied.

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In article <2949@ryn.esg.dec.com>, boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy)
writes:
|>All I can say is WOW! More answers, more questions. Very, *very* Lynchian.
|>If I hadn't already known Lynch directed this, and missed the credits,
|>I'd've been able to tell just from the scene of the old man from room
service.

This was the most bizarre episode of the lot, Lynch really went all out.
The final scene, with Ronette coming out of the coma, was pretty harsh.
But it was a great "holy sh*t" kind of ending.

I was real glad to see the FBI coroner back. He ads a great bit of tension
to every scene. Officer Andy's birdwalk routine (after hitting himself in
the head with the deck-board) was pretty odd.

Quite an impressive donut spread at Cooper's meeting at the end there.
Certainly more donuts than those assembled could possibly eat. Yet we
have not actually seen a donut shop. Weird.

Very odd scene with Jerry Horne and Blackie. Now Jerry seems like a very
likely suspect. He's the sort of weasely pervert who I could see lurking
outside Jacques cabin, waiting for everyone to pass out, and then come
in and have his own fun. He's mobile, twisted, and knows how the town
works.

Of course, with all this BOB stuff now, it's hard to really pin it on
one of the residents.

Too bad Lynch can't direct every episode ...

-MSM
____________________________________________________________________________
Mark S. Miller      UUCP: msmiller@Sun.COM      "In a nation ruled by swine,
                                                all pigs are upward mobile."
Disclaimer: I work for me, so do my words.             - Hunter S. Thompson

at the end of the season opener isn't there a line 
"one has witnessed him, three have seen him"?
Obviously Ronette saw the murderer, are the other three those who have had
visions (Laura's mother, Cooper, ?)

Also...
Can anyone supply the three clues given to Cooper...
 the smiling bag
 the owls are not what they seem
 ?????????????????

Also...
Didn't Marie Antionette's hair turn gray over night?

Also...
Damn good to have Albert back!!!!!!!!!

Also...
Since Cooper's tape recorder was voice activated, wouldn't it capture all 
 conversation in the room after he was shot?

I LOVE THIS SHOW!!!!!!!!!!

My harebrained theory:  "BOB" is just a name Laura gives her "dark side."
"BOB" comes out of hiding to take drugs or to engage in nasty activities.

Ronette unties Laura while Leo and Jacques are arguing, they escape (at
Ronette's urging -- she didn't know what she was in for) and run away.  On
their way out, they go by the railroad car.  Laura, on some whim (or possessed
by her dark side "BOB") decides to go in and take a look.

"Don't go in there Laura," Ronette pleads.

But they go in anyway, "BOB" takes over Laura who attacks Ronette.  Ronette
is only able to subdue Laura and tie her up because Laura has already lost
a good amound of blood up at the cabin.  Laura dies from wounds sustained
during the fight with Ronette.
 
What this doesn't explain very well:  The "Fire Walk With Me" and assorted
paraphernalia in the railroad car, and the AB- blood used to write the
sign.
 
But it's as good as I can manage...


-- ************************ dgross@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU *************************** "If you start throwing hedgehogs under me, I shall throw two porcupines under you." -- Nikita Khrushchev -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    I've been wondering (now more than ever after the premiere) if the
diary is required reading now.  In other words, are Lynch and Frost
assuming that people have read it when they write/wrote season two?  I'd
appreciate any thoughts or comments.  I plan to read the diary anyway,
but I'm just wondering how soon I should do it.  Thanks.
                                                   --Derek S. Felton

In article <2949@ryn.esg.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:

}though the episode left us with a doozy of a final scene with Ronnette's
}psychotic memory of what happened in the train car.

Great scene.  Pretty scary stuff - that image of Laura screaming with
blood in her teeth is sticking with me.

}It would appear that in the Giant's comment, "Three have seen him, yes,
}but only one has seen his body -- one known to you," the one is Ronnette
}rather than Laura.

I agree.  I assume the Giant was refering to those who were alive because
Laura most definitely had seen BOB.  This leaves Cooper, Ronnette and
Laura's mother.  An intersting assumption on the Giant's part, but the
Giant appears to think that he is being *quite* clear.

I found the Giant rather interesting.  I loved it when he re-appeared and
mentioned that he forgot to tell Cooper something.  These
supernatural-beings-from-another-realm are only human right? :-) I guess
this means that the Giant really can't be treated as some sort of a
"Greek Chorus", that is he can make mistakes.

}Another group of people that will undoubtedly be upset are those who don't
}want a large dose of supernatural intruding in the show.

Well I kind of like this angle.  There is something *very* wrong with
Twin Peaks.  Cooper is weird enough to deal with it, what about Albert?

}First we have the Giant, who not only appears to Cooper in two visions,
}but interacts on a physical level (he takes Cooper's ring).

I wonder if his voice will appear on Cooper's tape?  Also did the Giant's
voice fade out at certain points like a signal losing strength?  It did
here in Columbus.

}Then there is Maddy's vision of a blood-stain(?) on the rug.

Red herring for Leland?  When Leland collapsed at Donna's house I thought
that his pose was similar to Maddy's blood stain (?).  I wonder if this
is forshadowing that the killer will be brought down in Laura's house.

}Then Leland's hair turning pure white. [...] Then Donna's radical
}personality surgery.

Another poster mentioned Donna's hair growth, I wonder if this is
intentional (opposed to the idea that the actress just wanted to grow it
out), along with the cigarettes and too tight clothing (although I kept
expecting two white streaks to appear in her hair as she turns into The
Bride of Bob - her personality change was so severe).  Other than James
though I guess Donna hasn't slipped in front of anyone else in showing
this new demeaner and no one else on the show has mentioned the hair
growth.  

I'm not too sure about those sun glasses either...  I thought that Maddy
having "a signficantly less sweet personality" when wearing the sun
glasses was a nice illustration of what Laura must have looked liked when
she "wasn't herself".  They also *seemed* to affect Donna, but I'm not
sure of this because her radical personality change was probably in place
already (just a hunch - Maddy seemed to revert when she took the glasses
off, Donna didn't).

}I *think* we can ignore Major Briggs' vision.

Maybe this was to illustrate that not *all* of the visions in Twin Peaks
are horrible or sad.  (Giant - or whatever he represents - influence?).

-- William W. White {att|pyramid|killer}!osu-cis!sppy00!www **** These are my views, not my employer's (standard disclaimer) ****

In article <1990Sep24.080822.5654@vicom.com> abbott@mobius.UUCP (Jeff Abbott) writes:
> >In article <1990Sep21.182034.2689@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
>> >>
...<text deleted>

> >One other point, which may have been discussed before, is that why
> >did hearing about Laura's death drive out the Norwegian group? That
> >never made sense to me; I thought the Norwegians would view it as
> >a tragedy (especially since she was Leland's daughter), but it
> >would hardly ruin the business opportunity.
> >
> >I think this is a rather annoying glitch in the story. If there is
> >an explanation out there, can someone please provide it? Thanks.
> >
> >Jeff Abbott

Well, you know that America is considered a crime-ridden and
dangerous country by those overseas.  Why, I can't imagine.  But
safety would probably be a concern of foreigners who are buying
property in the States.

Having an unsolved murder in the area does make the deal look 
less attractive.



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In article <1073@ria.ccs.uwo.ca>, hekunze@watmsg.uwaterloo.ca (Herb Kunze) writes:
> > We're left with a few riddles from the giant to figure out and various
> > dilemmas, but the most interesting item from the show had to be Ronnette's
> > remembrance of the night of Laura's death.  I've only watched it a couple
> > of times, and it still seems a little surreal, but it seems that all the
> > evidence is there that killer BOB is, in fact, a real person with the
> > same physical appearance as that in the dream/vision.  Yet, there is the

NOt really - it seemed to me (correct me if I'm wrong) that Ronnette's vision
continually switched from "Bob" to a vampirish Laura and back to Bob again,
over and over. I had the impression that this was an indication that in
fact Laura and Bob are one. Remember it shows Bob beating someone pretty
severely? But Laura was *not* beaten - Ronnette was - my guess is that it
was in fact Laura/Bob who beat the hell out of Ronnette. 

 Now I'm not sure who tied Laura up or later wrapped and dumped her but
I suppose it could be almost anyone - perhaps someone saw/heard her beating
Ronnette and 'came to the rescue'? or maybe Ronnette recovered long enough to
off Laura and dump (I doubt it though) and later stumbled out along the
tracks.


 As an aside - Albert has to be the best character in the show - great lines....


gln

In article <0093D856.29A2F940@robot.nuceng.ufl.edu>, carl@robot.nuceng.ufl.edu (Drifter...) writes:
|>  
|>   - Cooper lying on his back still, talking to Diane (via recorder). "If
|> you can just forget the fear..." Puzzled expression, as if the phrase were
|> familiar. That one took a moment to sink in but was worth it.
|>  

*Sigh* Another instance of something in Twin Peaks that went straight over my head.  I've never sure when something happens if it means anything or if it's just a Lynchism.  Was I supposed to get this?


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Dorothy Bowedot@athena.mit.edu

60 postings received and its only 10am PDT.  Not bad.  No one
has really mentioned what I thought was an incongruous change
in Blackie.  She apparently has a nasty heroin (?) habit and 
ben & jerry are her suppliers.  (I am assuming heroin based
on the surgical tubing she pulls out after jerry puts a 
crystaline white chunk on her desk... ??).

She seemed very self-assured in all her appearances in the
first season, and even during the Ghostwood signing just
a short (?) while before the jerry scene.


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I hope everybody has figured out by now that this newsgroup should have one
huge ^L on it.

Re: Donna.  I doubt she's "possessed" by anyone or anything.  She's in
love (or at least a first order approximation) with James, and she knows
James was attracted to Laura.  So she's trying to act more like Laura.
And IMHO, not being a very competent femme fatale, either.  Is it the
actress who can't play the ff, or is the actress portraying a character
who can't?  I suspect the former.
At the same time, Maddie Ferguson is ditching her glasses for
similar reasons.  But this is more of a case of the actress who now has to
*not* play the ff without hiding behind the glasses.  An equally difficult
task, which she has succeeded in so far.

Re: Audrey.  I'm of mixed impressions on her last scene.  She's definitely
praying to Dale Cooper, but I also get this odd feeling like she's
mimicing his dictations to Diane.  Has Audrey ever seen him do that?

Jeremy Billonesjbillone@jarthur.claremont.edu
"We don't do it for the glory.  We don't do it for the recognition.
 We do it because it needs to be done.  Because if we don't, no
 one else will.  And we do it even if no one knows what we've done.
 Even if no one knows we exist.  Even if no one knows we ever
 existed."

In article <1990Oct1.170438.26919@athena.mit.edu> dot@athena.mit.edu writes:
> >In article <0093D856.29A2F940@robot.nuceng.ufl.edu>, carl@robot.nuceng.ufl.edu (Drifter...) writes:
> >|>   - Cooper lying on his back still, talking to Diane (via recorder). "If
> >|> you can just forget the fear..." Puzzled expression, as if the phrase were
> >|> familiar. That one took a moment to sink in but was worth it.
> >
> >*Sigh* Another instance of something in Twin Peaks that went straight over my head.  I've never sure when something happens if it means anything or if it's just a Lynchism.  Was I supposed to get this?

Lynch was responsible for the film of (sort of) Frank Herbert's DUNE.
As I recall, McLachlan played the role of Paul Atriedes.  One of the
mental disciplines trained into the character by his Bene Gesserit tutors
was the control of fear ("Fear is the mind-killer....").  Hence the
connection to Cooper's comments....
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In article <3965.270344c5@wums.wustl.edu> smith_c@wums.wustl.edu writes:
> >7. BOBBY BRIGGS-He is the very hot headed boyfriend.  he was the killer in
> >the Euroversion of TP.

Can somebody tell us more about this.  How did the European version
wrap things up and how did Coop figure out it was Bobby?

-- Scott Amspoker Basis International, Albuquerque, NM (505) 345-5232 unmvax.cs.unm.edu!bbx!bbxsda!scott

My office-mate was going to post this, but he is out of the office for
a while, and I just couldn't wait.

Did anyone experience "reception-like" problems during some peak
moments (like when the giant is talking to Cooper in the next to last
scene, and he says "three people have seen ..{static}.. but only one
has seen the body", or whatever)?

The reason we ask is that the ambient soundtrack did *not* fade, only
the dialogue (we played the VCR back on this one). Like everything
else, it seemed suspicious.  Of course our minds went to town on this
one, as with almost every other little detail.

Just wondering if anyone else noticed a similar problem.

-tom murray (murray@ils.nwu.edu)

The actor who played the giant reminded me of the actor the played
Mr. Homm (Carel Struycken) on a few ST:TNG episodes.  Did anyone catch
the credits & notice whether they were the same actor?
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When I saw "Directed by David Lynch", I figured this would be a good
one. It was.

I was so afraid that Twin Peaks was in danger of losing its gimmick
and becoming another prime time soap. I've never been a big fan of the
mill subplot because it seemed too much like a Dynasty plot. But now
we have lots of new things to play with!

Donna's nuts! In fact, it seems that both Donna and Madelyne want to
become more like Laura. To solve her murder? Maybe. But it's weird
nonetheless.

What the hell is freaking out Maddy? Was that blood she saw on the
carpet, or was it scorching? Both would be appropriate.

To the person who was "ticked" because the murderer of Laura Palmer
was not revealed: if you're watching it solely for that, you're bound
to be disappointed. I love what Lynch is doing to me as a viewer. It's
kind of a wonderful masochism. Part of me wishes the answer could
never be revealed, that they could only approach it asymptotically.

I am so hoping that when what is really going on in Twin Peaks is
fully and completely revealed, perhaps at the end of one more season
after this, that it will be so shocking and unexpected that it will
turn our faces white as a sheet, and then the series will end. Twin
Peaks has the possiblity of attaining the same status as The Prisoner,
if played correctly.

Here, for posterity, are the giant's prophecies (corrections welcome):
"There is a man in a smiling bag"
"Leo was locked in a hungry house"
"The Owls are not what they seem"
"One has seen the third man. Three have seen him, yes... but not his
body. One only, know to you."

The first two prophecies have come true right away, which is a
refreshing change. The third one sounds like something the Log Lady
would say. In fact she was quoted as saying that in the Secret Diary.

What is that giant? If Cooper truly was not dreaming, then Twin Peaks
has entered a whole 'nother realm.

I'd like to see the looks on the faces of those jerk writers who made
Twin Peaks predictions for TV guide. Twin Peaks doesn't follow their
"soap opera rules", that much should be utterly clear now.

Ohmigod, what an ending! It seems Laura may have had more of a hand in
her own death than anyone previously thought. What is she chopping up?
Do I want to know?

All in all, I must say this was one in-obscenity-credible season
premiere.
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In article <1990Oct1.043231.33743@eagle.wesleyan.edu> ggrosz@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
> >Take a look at the VERY END of this episode, during Ronette's
> >flashback.  After the violence, and the scan of Laura's body on the
> >floor, we
> >briefly see BOB's hand on something (what is it?), and then there is a
> >brief flash of BOB's face.  It may be tough, but PAUSE YOUR VIDEOTAPE ON
> >THAT FLASH. 
> >Now cover your view of BOB's hair, and what do you see?  LELAND!!!

Yes, it was tough.  But we did do it after many tries.  We also took
a polaroid off the screen (along with a few better shots for later)
and compared the polaroid to a variety of charcters.  Our first guess
was Leland, but the nose is very different.  I guess it depends on
how much artistic license they are taking with his looks, assumming
BOB isn't real.  BOB's nose is very distinctive and we haven't gone
back through last season to check Ben without his glasses.

In article <1990Oct1.132157.4544@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
> >
> >   Count me in as one of those who doesn't like an apparent move towards
> >the supernatural.
> >
> >   Any significance to (1) One-armed guy being a shoe salesman (2) Leo's
> >line ``Leo needs new shoes'' (3) Some kind of boot or shoe in the hiding
> >place Andy stumbled across?

I thought this was strange.  There was only one boot, correct?  The
One-armed man carries around a suitcase of demo shoes (one foot
only).  Perhaps the coke was in the boot but fell out.  It certainly
casts possible new light on the one-armed man.

-- Scott Amspoker Basis International, Albuquerque, NM (505) 345-5232 unmvax.cs.unm.edu!bbx!bbxsda!scott

ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:

> >   Count me in as one of those who doesn't like an apparent move towards
> >the supernatural.

not me man.  it is an *excellent* way to throw people off the track of
the physical reality of the crime.               (no pun intended ^)

> >   Any significance to (1) One-armed guy being a shoe salesman (2) Leo's
> >line ``Leo needs new shoes'' (3) Some kind of boot or shoe in the hiding
> >place Andy stumbled across?

sure.  the shoe salesman (whutz his name, anybody?) is a wholesaler with
a built in excuse for traveling around, visiting individuals _and_
institutions.  

I wonder if his visit to harry f. truman is innocent, OR IS SHERIFF TRUMAN
A DRUG FIEND? *GASP*

and hey, the meals on wheels program was/is and excellent cover for
laura/donna (?under the influence of the evil in the sunglasses?) to
move around in a similar fashion, visiting folks in remote places with
illicit rendezvous along the way, no?

In article <2949@ryn.esg.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
> >Another group of people that will undoubtedly be upset are those who don't
> >want a large dose of supernatural intruding in the show. Too late. First
> >we have the Giant, who not only appears to Cooper in two visions, but
> >interacts on a physical level (he takes Cooper's ring).
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
OK, I admit it I will be pissed off if the the supernatural has taken
over the show.  But I don't think the ring has proven it has.  The
ring is gone, but whoever shot Cooper might have taken it.  Once the
three clues are fulfilled, Cooper will find who shot him and get the
ring back.  Coop may say, "I am not dreaming," but he damn well might
be halucinating.

Personally I think Lynch has blown it a bit with the premier.  Not for
us true believers, but for any new viewers.  Are there any new viewers
out there that were able to follow the premier?

-andy

In article <4310@husc6.harvard.edu> rind@hscfvax.uucp (747707@d.rind) writes:
> >I thought killer Bob shown at the end was a recognizable TP character.
> >Stop now if you don't want to know.
> >
> >Did anyone else think Bob was Albert?         
> >
> >David Rind          rind@hscfvax.harvard.edu
> >"Back off man -- I'm a scientist."

As mentioned earlier we worked on this fairly hard.  My wife agrees
with you.  I don't.

-andy

I do not know if it was coincidence or not, but the old man kept saying
something about having heard about Cooper and then giving a thumbs up -
the same sign Cooper later (and last season for that matter) gave to Andy,
another character who acts a lot like the old man.  My gut says that the
old man is Andy's dad/grandfather...
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What happened to the scene of the blurry person walking toward the
camera that we saw in the preview? That was cut out. Wonder why.

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In article <1990Oct1.151932@cs.Buffalo.EDU> mathews@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Ryan D Mathews) writes:
> >
> >What happened to the scene of the blurry person walking toward the
> >camera that we saw in the preview? That was cut out. Wonder why.
> >
No, it was there... He was running though... The preview must have
been in slow motion.   And they blurred it so you couldn't see
who it was...


Curt

*** note: I posted this last night but it seems it still hasn't made its
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[still reeling from the final scene of tonight's episode]


Well, I think I won't sleep tonight.  And I was *so* looking forward to getting
some sleep after being unable to because I was waiting so impatiently for the
season premiere...

some random thoughts:

"Sheriff, get your mind off Shelly.  For the moment."  A clue, perhaps?

Does anyone think Kyle might actually have revealed the killer's identity on
SNL this weekend?  Damn good TP spoof!  (Did anyone manage to tape SNL btw?
Channel 4 messed up and lost their network feed for about 10 minutes...)

"Harry!  It's Agent Rosenflower!"

According to Doc Hayward, Cooper is in no condition to be running around
and doing detective work.  Maybe he winds up getting sidelined and Albert
has to take over.  I'm sure the local townsfolk would LOVE that... =)
He had some great lines in this one but I'm still partial to "Look -- it's
trying to think."

Donna:  what's with the cigarettes and the shades?  Kind of lends some
validity to the theory about BOB being some kind of sinister presence that
possesses people, IMHO.  Love the circularity, btw:  "When did you start
smoking?"  "I smoke every once in a while -- helps relieve tension."
"When did you get so tense?"  "When I started smoking."  And then there's
her sister, the one that plays piano.  And I thought the Haywards were nice
normal people... =)

The "smiling bag" -- just too weird.  One more source of nightmares for me
I think.  My imagination is too wild for my own good.

The giant.  Is this some kind of deus ex machina?  (Is this how we will learn
the killer's identity?  I'm still not convinced that BOB is an actual person.)
Neat effects though.  I'm not complaining.

So there really was only one broken-heart necklace?  I'm disappointed.  Of
course, we still don't know for sure.

The little gurgling sound every time they showed the hospital food.  Nice
touch.  Very well-executed.  =)

My head is spinning.  I need to go lie down now.  Maybe I'll write more after
I watch it again.

regards,

     byron  (="Diane, I'm trying to speak but am
     bgo@cory.berkeley.edu having some trouble because it seems
     c60b-1au@web.berkeley.edu my ring is in my throat..."


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p.s.  I did have a weird dream.  Remind me to tell you about it some time.

Spotted a inconsistency in last night's season premiere:

The blood that Cooper says belongs to the "third man" (whom we can
believe, at this point, to be "Killer Bob") is mentioned as 
being a rare type, AB-negative. He says that the third man wrote
the "Fire, Walk with me" in his own blood, because this bloodtype
does not match Leo's, Laura's, Ronette's, or Jacques's.

But wasn't Jacques blood type identified as AB-negative when the
bloodied shirt was found? If so, Cooper's assumption that
the third man wrote the note in his own blood is incorrect. Jacques
could have written the note, or it could have been written in  Jacques's
blood.

If I'm wrong on this, someone please correct me. (I know y'all
will. :-) )

Jeff Abbott
__________________________________________________________________________Disclaimer: I didn't shoot Dale Cooper, and neither did my employer.
abbott@mobius.aca.mcc.com
__________________________________________________________________________

Was it just me or was "Piper Laurie as Catherine Martell" not in the opening
credits? Does this mean she died in the fire - not in hiding somewhere, 
recovering, and planning a revenge?

ed

In article <9010011853.AA13104@lilac.berkeley.edu> lwv27@CAS.BITNET writes:
> >I do not know if it was coincidence or not, but the old man kept saying
> >something about having heard about Cooper and then giving a thumbs up -
> >the same sign Cooper later (and last season for that matter) gave to Andy,
> >another character who acts a lot like the old man.  My gut says that the
> >old man is Andy's dad/grandfather...

Or the founder of the Bookhouse Boys.


-- When considering "victim's rights," remember || vv Tom Neff that an innocent defendant is also a victim. ^^ || tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM

I thought the old man at the beginning said:

I'm hurt about you.

--not "I've heard about you"--once, at least.

Seth Johnson, sejohnson on PeaceNet

In article <1990Oct1.142307.16660@math.lsa.umich.edu> tomr@math.lsa.umich.edu (Tom Richardson) writes:

   [...]
   How about the quote
   "I'm back!" and the Horne brothers dancing to Leland's singing.  Those
   Horne brothers sure are sleazy, but I no longer think they killed Laura.
   I'll bet they (and Leland) were at one-eyed Jacks the night Laura died.

I thought this was interesting, too...after the show was over last
night, I started to think about it.  If Leland worked so closely with
Ben & Jerry, they almost certainly took him to One-Eyed Jack's.  If so,
would he have seen Laura working there?  In particular, the business
about Ben being in the room with Audrey made me think that this was
pretty likely...sort of history repeating itself.  If so, what did he
do?  If he was really having an incestuous relationship with her
previously, how would something like this affect him?  Well, I have no
idea, but I'm sure there are people out there with theories...*grin*.

I *do* think that he would feel guilty if he saw her working there, did
nothing to stop her, and then thought she was killed because of that.
This might also be related to his killing Jacques, if he associated
Jacques with the place.

Muffy
muffy@mica.berkeley.edu

In article <1195@beguine.UUCP> Heidi.Aycock@samba.acs.unc.edu (BBS Account) writes:
> >Another thing that confused me . . . now that we've seen who
> >Ronnette saw, how do we use that information? Is that BOB?

I think that it's importnat to remember that we havn't seen what Ronnette saw.
We have seen what she was dreaming.  In the world of TP (and out world too, for
that matter) these do note have to coincide.

Michael


Michael L. Kaufman   ||  So weave a circle round him thirce,
kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu ||     And close your eyes with holy dread.
                     ||  For he on honey-dew hath fed
                     ||     And drank the milk of paradise.       "Kubla Khan"

   I know that bubbling noise from the hospital trays is the kind of
thing Lynch does a lot for general effect, but I think in this case
the food may in fact be poisoned.  (1) The doctor examining Jacoby
thinks he is more messed up than just from the beating he took
(2) Pete seemed in pretty bad shape when he got home from hospital.

   By the way, is ``Killer Bob'' or ``BOB'' referred to as such in
any episode of the show?

Keywords:Giant, Ronette, BOB, Killer Bob
Sender: daemon@athena.mit.edu (Mr Background)
Reply-To: jerhy@athena.mit.edu (Jeremy A Hylton)
Subject: Giant transcript, part I.  Laura/Bob theory revisited. 
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 90 20:25:47 GMT
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First, for reference sake, a transcript of the Giant's second speech,
I haven't bothered to get the first one word for word.  Cooper's
dialogue is paraphrased.
The Giant:I forgot to tell you something.
[cooper: you were right about the man in the smiling bag.]
The things I tell you will not be wrong.
        [cooper starts to ask question]
Better to listen than to talk.
[cooper, I believe you]
Don't search for all the answers at once.  A path is
made one stone at a time.  One person saw the third man.
Three have seen him -- yes -- but not his body, one
only known to you, ready now to talk.
One more thing: you forgot something.
Interesting stuff.

  Carl, in article <1990Oct1.0093D854.DOAFC8A0@robot.nuceng.efl.edu>,
makes some statements about the nature of Ronette's vision that are
hard to swallow.  As my reading this afternoon indicates, the theory
that Bob is an alter ego of Laura or a manifestation of the evil in
the woods, focused through Laura, seems quite popular. 
> >  Come on, give it up... Theories are fun, but when proven wrong they
> >should be dropped, not clung to.
    Actually, before I watched the last episode I was leaning towards
a Truman/Packard conspiracy theory.  It was only after I got the new
data that I came to hold my present convictions.

> > David Lynch used many things to indicate that a third person was ivolved.
> >The ending sequence (very well done I might add) shows Killer Bob very 
> >clearly, as well as a primal screaming Laura. It also shows a DEAD Laura,
> >with Bob kneeling, quite alive, by her body.
> >  Also, the killer of Laura Palmer is also supposed to be the killer of
> >Terresa. The letters under the fingernail, remember?
> >  It looks to me liek [sic] Laura somehow got involved with this Bob character
> >(drug dependancy, emotional dependancy, cult worship, something) and
> >because he was quite crazy, she started to lose her own mental stability.
> >  Or maybe Bob is the focal point of an evil manifestation in the woods, and
> >Laura caught some of it as a backlash.
> >  Not that I care that much. But it's certainly entertaining reading all the
> >desperate attempts here to keep pet theories alive in the face of new
> >data.
    The above interpretation, that Bob is just some random serial
killer who happened to kill Laura Palmer, seems somewhat simplistic
considering the fantastic, paranormal roller coaster ride of visions,
dwarfs, and giants Lynch and Frost have taken us on.  It is highly
unlikely that Ronette's dream was a window on reality, about as likely
that Cooper's dream with the man from the other place was real.
   Instead I tend to agree with Gerry Grosz's interpretation of
Ronette's dream. See article <1990Oct1.043231.33743@eagle.wesleyan.edu> for
 more details.
   Anyway, here is my theory, revised by a night's sleep:
   Bob, who is Laura, killed Ronette and Laura.  Bob is an alternate
sort of personality developed to deal with the psychological trauma of
being molested by her father, Leland.  To prevent his discovery,
Leland wraps his daughter in plastic and tosses her in the river.
   In an early post, I thought that theory was incomplete because it
didn't deal with who shot Cooper; it also left Josie without any role
in the murder, which seemed unlikely considering how naughty she is.
   The Giant's first words in appearance number two seem to explain.
"Don't search for all the answers at once."  Perhaps the giant is
telling Cooper that the Laura's death and his shooting were not related.
   Instead, Josie and Ben thought that Cooper was getting close to
uncovering there scheme up at the mill and sent someone to kill him.
Not sure who, maybe Hank, maybe the Asian man next door. 
   This could well be an attempt to create a new plot line that will
carry the show through the season if and when we discover who killed
Laura Palmer.
 
A couple of other people have made relevant posts regarding this
theory.  One of particular interest I have included here: Darryl Cate
in article  <1990Oct1.134439.8685@csc.ti.com> writes:
> >I think Leland killed Laura.  In the first dream sequence (are
> >the giant visits dreams ?) Killer BOB states that he will capture
> >with his death-bag, and will kill again.  Who did we see in a
> >death-bag, emphasized again by the giant's words ?  Jacques.  And
> >Leland killed him.
> >Also, I think that in all the chaos of the train car scene, the
> >letter 'R' ended up under the wrong girl's fingernail, and it
> >was meant for 'R'onnette (like the 'T'hersa Banks, earlier). In fact,
> >Leland my have been thinking he was killing Ronnette the whole time,
> >up until that wild scream at the end.

   There is also the possibility that this theory is completely wrong.
But, then, that's the fun of watching Twin Peaks.  It's not imperative
that I found out who killed Laura Palmer soon; it's too much fun
guessing who may have done it.
  
Anxiously awaiting more clues,
Jeremy Hylton, jerhy@athena.mit.edu
"I killed Laura Palmer."

In article <1990Oct1.184651.11855@morrow.stanford.edu> andy@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Andy Michael USGS Guest) writes:
> >OK, I admit it I will be pissed off if the the supernatural has taken
> >over the show.  But I don't think the ring has proven it has.  The
> >ring is gone, but whoever shot Cooper might have taken it.  Once the
> >three clues are fulfilled, Cooper will find who shot him and get the
> >ring back.  Coop may say, "I am not dreaming," but he damn well might
> >be halucinating.

I feel there are too many clues indicating that the giant WAS real.  The
ring has been mentioned several times.  Cooper's assertion that "I am not
dreaming" (he's never wrong, right?), and lastly the fact that the giant
had to wake Cooper up (remember how he leaned over to check if he was
asleep).  I just don't see how "dreams" do these things.  Seems like 
Lynch is using every device short of a "swift kick to the head" to show
that the Giant is a physical presence.  

huebner@en.ecn.purdue.edu

Any clues as to where Laura got the sunglasses?  Could they
have belonged to Theresa Banks?

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In article <3965.270344c5@wums.wustl.edu> smith_c@wums.wustl.edu writes:
> >
> >1. JOSIE PACKARD-She wanted LP and not just to learn the local slang.  
> >LP knows about her shady past.  Perhaps LP found out about how Josie did
> >away with Andrew.  Also if you recall the first person from the pilot 
> >episode that we see is Josie.  She is the first TP person we see on the
> >screen.

As I and others have observed: "I think now I understand how you feel
about your husband's death." (First season, episode 1)

This quote is from Laura to Josie on Thursday afternoon, as told by
Josie.  It seems clear that Josie either killed Laura, had her killed,
or would have had her killed.  The above quote alone is tantamount to
suicide.

Your top 40 list is good, though I think you rule out Harry S Truman too
early.  An earlier post had a fairly convincing argument...  Any
proponents of the HST theory care to re-post?

Happy to see Albert back,
Pat

Did anyone notice Donna sitting on her hands at the Horne house? Seemed
like a rather uncomfortable position.

"I feel like I know her, but sometimes my arms bend back"

Maybe this means that Donna once knew Laura, but they grew apart as
Laura's dark side took more control.

"That gum you like is going to come back in style"

The Log Lady spitting out that gum? Any relevance?

-- "Are you suggesting there is something... irregular at work here?" Edwin Nomura

I enjoyed the SNL season opener too.  However, during what I thought
was the best sketch, the mimic of "Twin Peaks", KRON here in the SF
Bay Area, lost their network feed.  Right after Kevin Nealand says
"we won't be talking to the Log Lady", the feed was lost until the 
middle of Sinead O'Conner's first number.  

I was really mad!  Then, they made up for the lost commercial time, by
skipping more of the show to air the commercials that would have shown
during the outage!

Just have to wait to see the re-run later this year I guess...

In article <1990Oct1.143739@cs.Buffalo.EDU> mathews@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Ryan D Mathews) writes:
> >I'd like to see the looks on the faces of those jerk writers who made
> >Twin Peaks predictions for TV guide. Twin Peaks doesn't follow their
> >"soap opera rules", that much should be utterly clear now.

I bought an issue of TV Guide only for that article and was very 
disappointed.  One of the writers complained that the show never
followed up on earlier clues (such as the letters under the 
fingernails) and then proceeded to guess at solutions which
ignore those same clues.

If I wanted to hear some theories that disregard established
clues, I'll read some of the postings in this group.

-- Scott Amspoker Basis International, Albuquerque, NM (505) 345-5232 unmvax.cs.unm.edu!bbx!bbxsda!scott

   wow.... I know who the Giant is.. It's Mr. Homm, and as you can see by his
white skin


              HE's Been Taken Over By The Borg!!!!!

.. They sent him back in time to change history, so they can.....


OOOOOPS wrong group :-)
-- adam hill Everybody lies about sex. hill@evax.arl.utexas.edu BOING!4Ever Rub HER feet! It's better to copulate than never AmigaDos2.0 - A VW with $10,000 in options. --Robert A. Heinlein

I only saw TP for the first time on saturday (when I saw the entire first 
season) so forgive me if this has been gone over already.

I think Madeleine is really Laura.  Here's why:  In the first episode that 
Madeleine appears in, she meets Donna in the cafe and then later calls her
on the phone.  While she is dialing, Mrs Palmer calls out to her, and she 
finishes dialing without looking at the phone.  I do that sometimes, but only
with numbers that I know very well.  I doubt that Madeleine would have been 
able to do that considering that she had just met Donna.  Now Laura on the
other hand...

Any comments?

Michael


Michael L. Kaufman   ||  So weave a circle round him thirce,
kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu ||     And close your eyes with holy dread.
                     ||  For he on honey-dew hath fed
                     ||     And drank the milk of paradise.       "Kubla Khan"

   "Without chemicals he must point."


 Perhaps this is allusion to Leo's muteness and paralysis from the waist down.
Leo probably knows ALOT but he can do anything because of his state. And the
vital piece of info will be revealed by pointing.  


   Just wildly supposing.. I still think Luxuwanna Troi is going to marry 
Agent Cooper  :-)



-- adam hill Everybody lies about sex. hill@evax.arl.utexas.edu BOING!4Ever Rub HER feet! It's better to copulate than never AmigaDos2.0 - A VW with $10,000 in options. --Robert A. Heinlein

In article <27076a0f.bce@petunia.CalPoly.EDU> dgross@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (Dave Gross) writes:
> >
> >
> >My harebrained theory:  "BOB" is just a name Laura gives her "dark side."
> >"BOB" comes out of hiding to take drugs or to engage in nasty activities.
> >

Why does BOB have to be Laura? Perhaps Ronette Pulaski is BOB and she killed
Laura. This would explain Ronette's being beaten up. Also, we know that
Laura swung both ways (if the diary reports are to be believed) and its
possible that the BOB who was really capable of turning her on was none other
than Ronette.

Just another crazy theory.

-- The continuing Chinese occupation of Tibet, and the lack of concern for this travesty of justice should make every thinking person ashamed of himherself.

In article <3205@vela.acs.oakland.edu> rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:
> >In article <1191@beguine.UUCP> Robert.Berry@samba.acs.unc.edu (BBS Account) writes:
> >
> >I've stopped caring who killed Laura.

Not me. I want a nice solid satisfying conclusion to the whodunit
aspect of the show.

> >I never did care, actually.  I watch because of blood on donuts, the
> >way Audrey smiled when she realized Laura was dead, "Let's Rock", deer
> >heads on tables, Leland's antler dance, DAMN fine huckleberry pie, and
> >Killer Bob.  

These are my reasons for watching the show *after* the solution to
the mystery (one of them) is presented.

> >
> >Some questions on the second season premiere:
> >
> >What is up with Donna?  She's like a different person. . . (besides
> >the fact that her hair grew six inches "overnight"--not to mention
> >chnaging color, but then there's a lot of that going around :)

She's been possessed by the ghost of LP.

> >Why is Mike the one-armed man in the sheriff's office?

To sell them shoes, of course.

> >Who is the ponytailed Asian, who is he calling, and is he the same guy
> >as we saw in the Great Northern previously?

Josie's past come a-calling, Josie, and no, in approximately that order.

> >Has Bobby found redemption, or is he still the same squirrely little
> >fucker he always was?

Both.

> >Is hospital food the new running gag?  The anti-pie, as it were?  We
> >counted eight references to how deadly it is.

It's clearly a clue: Killer BOB works in the hospital kitchen.

BONUS ANSWER: The classified project that Major Briggs can't talk
about is a nerve gas which induces psychotic behavior. The factory
is in the Woods and, now and then, they have leaks.

Dave Mack

In article <0093D856.29A2F940@robot.nuceng.ufl.edu> carl@robot.nuceng.ufl.edu (Drifter...) writes:


> >  - Cooper lying on his back still, talking to Diane (via recorder). "If
> >you can just forget the fear..." Puzzled expression, as if the phrase were
> >familiar. That one took a moment to sink in but was worth it.

"Fear is the Mind Killer" - Paul   

    There you go ST:TNG and DUNE all in one episode.... The gate is Mr. Atos's 
library...  Thats who the old man was, Atos with Alzhiemers
    Maybe Agent Cooper will turn into a Maker at the end?? 
    "That was a DAMN fine cup of the Water of Life!!!!"

    Hey my theories arent any more wild than anyone elses. :-)

-- adam hill Everybody lies about sex. hill@evax.arl.utexas.edu BOING!4Ever Rub HER feet! It's better to copulate than never AmigaDos2.0 - A VW with $10,000 in options. --Robert A. Heinlein

Well, here we go.  I've taken the time to transcribe several of the key 
moments from the second season premiere.  

-----
In the R&R diner, after some small talk, Major Briggs and Bobby Briggs
have the following exchange:

MB: "Bobby, may I share something with you?"
BB: "Okay."
MB: "A vision I had in my sleep last night, as opposed to a dream, which is 
     mere sorting and cataloguing of the day's events by the subconscious.
     This was a vision, fresh and clear as a mountain stream, the mind 
     revealing itself to itself.
       In my vision, I was on the veranda of a vast estate, a palazzo of 
     some fantastic proportion.  There seemed to emanate from it a light 
     from within, this gleaming, radiant marvel(marble?).  I'd known this 
     place.  I had in fact been born and raised there.  This was my first   
     return.  A reunion with the deepest well-springs of my being.  Wandering  
     about, I noticed happily that the house had been immaculately maintained.  
     There'd been added a number of rooms, but in a way that blended so   
     seamlessly with the original construction, one would never detect any 
     difference.  Returning to the house's grand foyer, there came a knock 
     at the door.  My son was standing there.  He was happy and carefree,
     clearly living a life of deep harmony and joy.  We embraced, a warm
     and long embrace, nothing withheld.  We were, in this moment, one.
     My vision ended and I awoke with this tremendous feeling of optimism 
     and confidence in you and your future.  That was my vision of you.  
     I'm so glad to have had this opportunity to share it with you.  
     I wish you nothing but the best in all things."

At the Hayward Supper Club first get-together, Harriet reads the following
poem:

    "It was Laura
     And I saw her glowing.
     In the dark woods,
     I saw her smiling.

     We were crying
     And I saw here lauging.
     In our sadness,
     I saw her dancing.

     It was Laura
     Living in my dreams.

     It was Laura.
     The glow was life.
     Her smile was to say
     It was alright to cry.

     The woods were our sadness.
     The dance was her calling.
     It was Laura
     And she came to kiss me goodbye."

(The "The dance was her calling" line makes me think of Leland dancing
 alone, grieving, perhaps being called by Laura.  Cool image.)

Also from the pilot, the giant speaks with Cooper:

G: "I will tell you three things.  If I tell them to you and they come true,
    then you will believe me?"
C: "Who's that?"
G: "Think of me as a friend."
C: "Where do you come from?"
G: {Shaking head} "The question is: where have you gone?"
   "The 1st thing I will tell you is:
      There's a man in a smiling bag.
    The 2nd thing is
      The owl's are not what they seem.
    The 3rd thing is
      Without chemicals, he points."
C: "What do these things mean?"
G: "This is all I'm permitted to say.  Give me your ring.  I will return it
    to you when you find these things to be true."
   {Takes Coop's ring}
   "We want to help."
C: "Who's we?"
G: "One last thing.  Leo locked inside Hungry Horse.  There's a clue at 
    Leo's house.  You will require medical assistance."

{ Disappears.  But at end of episode, Coop opens his eyes and sees the 
  giant.                                                                 }   

G: "Sorry to wake you."
C: "I'm not dreaming."
G: "I forgot to tell you something."
C: "You were right about the smiling bag."
G: "The things I tell you will not be wrong.
    Better to listen then to talk."
C: "I believe you."
G: "Don't search for all the answers at once.  A path is formed by laying
    one stone at a time.

    One person saw the third man.
    Three have seen him, yes.
    But not his body.
    One only.  Known to you.
    Ready now to talk.

    One more thing: you forgot something."
C: "What?"

{ Flash of green and Audrey's note gets zapped into Coop's mind presumably;  
  Coop lies alone in the dark, blinking.                                   }
-----

The mention of owls not being what they seem makes me think of the Log Lady's
meeting with Coop, Hawk, Doc, & HST:

{ As Coop, Hawk, Doc & HST approach the cabin, a crow lans on a nearby 
  branch and eyes them.  Since it seems that birds in the woods may be
  important, this could be of value.  In any case, as the Log Lady  
  appears, the crow caws and the dialog begins.                           }

LL:   "It's about time you got here."
      {To no one in particular} "They move so slowly when they're not 
       afraid.  Come on, then, my log does not judge."
    
{ They follow her inside.                                                  }

LL:   "I've got tea.  I've got cookies.  No cake."
Coop: "That's very kind ma'am, but I don't believe..."
Hawk: "What kind of cookies?"
LL:   "Sugar.  The owls won't see us in here."
Doc:  "A cup of tea would be very nice."
LL:   {To HST & Coop} "Shut your eyes and you'll burst into flames."
HST:  {Strolling to the table} "Thanks Margaret."
LL:   "We'll let it steep."

{ All sitting at the table.  Coop goes for a cookie, and Margaret slaps his
  hand.                                                                    }

LL:   "Wait for the tea.  The fish aren't running."
HST:  "You've been expecting us, Margaret?"
LL:   "You're two days late, but that's you're concern.  My log saw 
       something, something significant."
HST:  "What did your log see?"
LL:   "Tea first.  Then be ready."
      "My husband was a logging man.  He met the devil.  Firs is the devil
       hiding like a coward in the smoke."
Doc:  "It was the day after the sedding, wasn't it Margaret?"
Hawk: "The wood holds many spirits, doesn't it Margaret?"
LL:   {Gesturing with log to Coop} "You can ask it now."
Coop: "What did you see the night Laura Palmer was killed."
LL:   "I'll do the talking."
      "Dark.  Laughing.  The owls were flying.  Many things were blocked.  
       Laughing.  Two men.  Two women.  Flashlights pass by the woods over 
       the ridge.  The owls were near.  The dark was pressing in on her.
       Quiet then.  Later, footsteps.  One man passed by.  Screams.
       Far away.  Terrible.  Terrible.  One voice."
Coop: "Man or girl?"
LL:   "Girl.  Further up over the ridge, the owls were silent."

{ As they leave on the way to discovering Jacques' cabin, the crow leaves
  the branch it has been on all this time and follows, landing on a branch
  when they stop once again.  We get a close-up of its blinking eye.       }
-----

With that said, I'll leave it to others for now to analyze all this info.
There sure seems to be a lot of references to spirits in the wood.  Will
this all have some sort of supernatural conclusion?

One final note about something that is really confusing me.  It has to do
with the various blood types being thrown around in the show.  I've gone
back and checked my tape of the scene in Jacques' apartment where Coop
finds the Fleshworld magazine and the blood stained shirt planted by Bobby.
Doc Hayward definitely says that the blood type on the shirt is AB-negative,
and after following up Coop's intuition confirms that Jacques has that type.
Yet, when Coop recaps the events of the evening of Laura's death, he says
that the "Fire...Walk With Me" scribbling and the blood stained rag that 
Hawk found are both type AB-negative, a rare type different from Leo,
Jacques, Laura and Ronnette.  What gives?

                                                           Herb...

> >Was I dreaming it or did Andy's chicken dance look a lot like Dieter (from
> >Sprockets :-) doing the dwarf dance on SNL? Was there some significance that
> >it was Dieter doing the dwarf imitation? 

It's probably not intentional, but Dieter (and Wayne of "Wayne's World")
is played by Michael Myers, which is the name of the killer in the
"Halloween" horror movies.  Like I said, probably a coincidence.
(OooooooooWEEEEEEEEEEEEEoooooooooo....)

Other points that have been raised:
-) The Circle Brand will probably allow Coop to match Leo's footprints
with some footprints up at the mill.  Maybe P. Mike Gerard (aka the
One-Armed Man) sells 'em.  I'm pretty sure Leo was wearing those new
black boots up at the mill (check your copies).

-) The third prediction was: "Without chemicals, he points."  Somebody
posted it before, and I think it was slightly incorrect.  We TP'ers are
nothing if not sticklers for mindless detail B^).

-) The drug-smuggling in coffee grounds may come from "Beverly Hills Cop".
Remember when Eddie walks into a warehouse and pretends to be from
Customs?  The coke (not heroin) was in coffee grounds.  All Eddy found
was the grounds, but had to explain this smuggling trick to the local fuzz.

-) Yes, Jacques' death IS being investigated.  Cooper and Truman asked
Jacoby whether he saw anything.  No, but he smelled engine oil.  Anybody
know why Leland should smell like a service station?

-) IMHO, the outline on the rug which Maddy saw was shaped like a body
wrapped in plastic.  It was lying on its left side, feet on the lower
right hand corner of the screen.  But then again, it's a Rorschach test,
and you will probably see something else.

-) Jacques Renault's blood is AB-, according to Cooper and Doc Hayward (see
the dialogue in Jacques' apartment when they're searching it in daylight).
So there must be something else which keeps it from matching the blood on
the towel which Hawk found.

-) Killer Bob is not having a tantrum in Ronnette's flashback.  He's
exulting.  Ooh, scary stuff, kids.

-) Yes, the shades definitely contribute to Donna (and Maddy, too) acting
like bad Lauren Bacall imitators.

-) The title of the song is "Mairzy Doats".  Yes, it's spelled like that.
Mairzy doats and dozy doats and liddle lamzy divy.  A kiddly divy too,
wouldn't you?

That's it.  I can't wait to see what Harold looks like!!!
I'm glad we found out about how Nadine lost her eye.  I'm still wondering
whether we'll find out about why Mrs. Hayward is in the wheelchair.

The watchword this week is:  patience!



 Bill Sherman sherman@math.ucla.edu
 ... then the ant got stepped on and the grasshopper drove to Florida
for the winter in his sports car.  - Muppet fables

In our day-after nitpicking, I'm surprised that nobody's mentioned the many
dreams floating about town - including young Ms. Hayward's poem, and
particularly Maddy's vision of the (blood?)-stained carpet.  Would the 
theory-makers care to speculate on events in the Palmers' livingroom?  
More suggestions of an abusive childhood for LP, perhaps?

The two characters who really captured my attention this time out were Leland
and Donna.  Leland's hair...well, I'm sure you understand.  And I loved Donna's
devil woman routine, but I can't agree with the several posters who think that
Laura's spirit has possessed her.  Sure, she's "becoming" Laura, but I think
it's intentional.  Think of the expression on her face when she put on the
sunglasses - it all kinds of reminds me of the transfer of command in the movie
"Heathers".  (Yes, I know, totally different, it's just an analogy. 
Overshadowed friend greedily trying on the limelight of sin, etc.)  

BTW, I've stubbornly pegged Donna as the killer since the beginning, for
ABSOLUTELY NO GOOD REASON, I admit it.  Does anyone who's analyzed every
episode five times know a good reason why she DIDN'T do it?  I'm genuinely
curious.

-Laura

In article <4310@husc6.harvard.edu>, rind@hscfvax.uucp (747707@d.rind) writes:
> > character in Ronette's memory/vision was Albert with long hair.  I
> > note also that the 'T' and 'R' found are spelling out 'Albert'
> > backwards (yes, I do realize it could spell 'Truman' forwards.)

Maybe it could be 'Robert' backwards too.  Maybe Bob Lydecker was traveling
with his friend Michael Girard when Theresa Banks was killed (it couldn't
have been Leo).  It could even be a reference back to the movie 'Laura'.

--
Bruce Hall                     Domain: bhall@pbs.org
Public Broadcasting Service    UUCP:...{uupsi,vrdxhq,csed-1,ida.org}!pbs!bhall
                               Phone: 703/739-5048
"Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes" - Oscar Wilde

Well, I figure that all of twin peaks population are junkies.. They're
moving heroin in coffee to throw off the border dogs.. Did you notice
alberts face when he tasted the coffee in the hospital? And blackie's
apparent addiction? And of course the fish in the percolator, to keep
Truman and Cooper from tasting something besides the "damn good coffee".
Might explain a lot of the hallucinations/dreams that everyone has..

While we're talking about Audrey/Sherilyn and the various merits of
her blondness/brunetteness, I think it's worth discussing which way
Sheryl looks better--Laura & blonde, or Maddie & Brunnette.

I prefer the latter.

What's the deal with Maddie giving up her glasses?  ("I hate them.")  I
think this is symbolic since she broke her own glasses at the same time
she gave away Laura's sunglasses.


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Wasn't Jacques' blood type AB Negative?  I seem to remember that from
the blood found on Leo's jacket.  Could someone verify this for me?

-John

has anyone else noticed that there are two signs in the diner that say:

"Just say No to Ghostwood"

i spotted 'em in one of last season's episodes (third from last?).
they are taped to the side of a milk dispenser (?), and can be seen by
a camera angled along the counter facing the entrance to the kitchen.
8x10 photocopies...

sounds like there is a pro-lumber/anti-tourist movement in the town.

~spass

ps: i went home last night and checked all my closets, and under the bed.
    i guess the premier was a bit of a shocker.
--
spass otto stoiantschewsky"shred your head"
put this subject in your kill file

jbillone@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (Jeremy Billones) writes:

> >Re: Donna.  I doubt she's "possessed" by anyone or anything.  She's in
> >love (or at least a first order approximation) with James, and she knows
> >James was attracted to Laura.  So she's trying to act more like Laura.

But it was clear that James was enamored with Donna just the way she was.
Why would she take on a femme fatale attitude to win his affections over
when she already has them?  No, my vote is that BOB is preying on Donna.

synth .:::::. synth@yenta.alb.nm.us
"Vigilante justice or just plain country living?"

So far, I've got no postings about this.  If it's been covered, please forgive
me.

Did anyone notice how the bodyguard held Audrey in the scene with
Blackie ("What exactly is your type?")?  HER ARMS BENT BACK!  WOO HOO!Really
far back in fact.

Now, onto Blackie's question:  What exactly is your type?  AB-, maybe?

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sanchez@oxy.edu       Especially those who smell like 'P'."
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> >   "Without chemicals he must point."

One interpretation of this is that someone (male) has been drug
dependent but will now be withdrawing, presumably because his supply
is cut off; and that under the agony of withdrawal he will name names.

There's no reason to think that someone like Hank, for instance, has any
reason to undergo withdrawal; ditto the Hornes or the various
"straights" not currently under suspicion.  Lynch&Frost seem to play
these kinds of things fairly conventionally.  It should be someone who's
already some kind of suspect, and who's somehow under detention.

That leaves us with Leo and James.  Leo's in a coma: when he comes out
will he be writhing in pain and ready to talk?  James is kind of
provisionally a non-suspect but they're keeping him locked up anyway.
Will he be sweating and shaking in next week's epi?

If I had to guess I'd say Leo.  He's been the uncooperative hardass so
far and he clearly has the most to tell.
-- Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, || Tom Neff lying in hospitals dying of nothing. -- Redd Foxx || tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM

A couple of observations about the season premiere:

- Someone, I don't remember who, says that the blood on the
"Fire, walk with me" paper was type AB negative, and follows by
saying that no one we know has that type.  But don't we learn two
or three episodes ago that Jacques' blood type is AB negative?  I
haven't checked yet, but it seems to me that the blood on Leo's
shirt was the same type...

- Coop hasn't forgotten "something", as the giant suggests, but
at least three things I can remember:

1) He hasn't checked for the giant's voice on the
recorder. This should prove or disprove the
reality of the giant, since we know that the 
recorder's voice-activation switch was on.

2) He hasn't thought about the fact that his ring is
missing (the one the giant took).

3) He's neglected to read Audrey's message.

- How can the giant say that "three have seen him, but not his
body" about BOB?  We know that four people have seen BOB: Laura,
Coop, Sarah and Ronette.  I still think the reference is to BOB,
but I haven't reconciled the count yet...

- ced

Yow!!!!!!

Lynch's hand is definately back at the helm, and what a strange course he
is steering!

Well, unlike my earlier speculation, I think the Ronette flashback at the
end of the show definately fingers "Killer BOB" as the killer!

Also, I think when the giant says "three have seen him", I think he means
three people currently alive -- which indicates Laura's mom in her vision,
Cooper in his dream, and Ronette as the one, known to Cooper, who has also
seen his body.

And what about Leland -- is he bizarre or what!?!?!?!?

The scene where Leland appears at the Great Northern singing and Jerry is
dancing around like a madman or jester, and Ben starts dancing on the table!

I have a feeling Hank may be a target of the Horne brothers soon, too.

And how about Albert's reaction to the coffee?

And who sent the little to Donna about Meals on Wheels?

And speaking of Donna, who else thinks that whatever was affecting Laura
is now at work turning Donna into an evil seductress?

There's just so much in this episode that I'm planning on watching it at
*least* one more time before this Saturday's first regular time slot show.

"Begin the Beguine!"

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!{hpda,versatc,apollo,ucbcad,uunet}!cadence!phz)

"Mares eat oats, and does eat oats, and little lambs eat ivy.
 A kid'll eat ivy, too, wouldn't you?"

   I'm glad to know I'm missed.  It seems that everyone is so concerned
about finding out who killed me.  Don't worry about me... I am where I
was meant to be, where you all put me.  Don't look for answers.  All
answers will be known to you... when at last you join me.
   Please hurry.

   You may think it isn't me, but know this:  I may use many voices. . .
                                                     --LP

Did anyone notice that BOB spelled backwards is BOB???

I think there's a connection between BOB and J.R. 'Bob' Dobbs,
but I'm not sure what. 

Any thoughts????

/Marc Peters aka physi-bs@garnet.berkeley.edu

In article <1990Oct1.143739@cs.Buffalo.EDU> mathews@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Ryan D Mathews) writes:
> >Here, for posterity, are the giant's prophecies (corrections welcome):
> >"There is a man in a smiling bag"

Right. Jacques in a body bag.

> >"Leo was locked in a hungry house"

"Leo, locked in a Hungry Horse."

Leo was in jail in Hungry Horse, Montana when Theresa Banks was killed.

> >"The Owls are not what they seem"

Right. Translation unknown so far.

> >"One has seen the third man. Three have seen him, yes... but not his
> >body. One only, know to you."

"One has seen the third man. Three have seen him, yes... but not his
body. One only, known to you, ready to speak."

The three who have seen the third man are Sarah Palmer and Cooper
himself, in visions. The third, of course, is Ronette Pulaski who
is out of her coma and ready to speak.

Dave Mack

In article <12890@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> enomura@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (She's dead...) writes:
> >Was it just me or was "Piper Laurie as Catherine Martell" not in the opening
> >credits? Does this mean she died in the fire - not in hiding somewhere, 
> >recovering, and planning a revenge?

Come now. She wasn't in this episode so she didn't get a credit, any
more than Miguel Ferrer was credited in the episodes he wasn't in.

Don't mean a thang.

Dave Mack

I just thought of two more reason why I think Madeleine is really Laura.

1)  That's why Madeleine broke her glasses.  Laura didn't wear glasses, so she
had to get rid of them.

2) This is just a feeling, but I can't help but wonder if there is some sort of
significance to the title.  Maybe "Twin Peaks" refers to something other then
the name of the town.  I think it has something to do with Laura and Madeleine
looking alike.

I will present more reasons for my theory as they occur to my subconsious.

Michael

Michael L. Kaufman   ||  So weave a circle round him thirce,
kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu ||     And close your eyes with holy dread.
                     ||  For he on honey-dew hath fed
                     ||     And drank the milk of paradise.       "Kubla Khan"

I still have not heard any references/reviews to the this season's music.
I did notice fresh new music clips used (guitar sound played open string)
in addition to the old clips (haunting strings with a low register pedal point
piano strike and the cool jazz passages). I have always thought of the original
music to be so immediately effective and moving but the new clips didn't 
hit me as much. Don't get me wrong as I am and still an avid fan of Julee
Cruise's music. Any thoughts?

FIRE...WALK BEFORE YOU RUN WITH ME
Louie

I just though of another big support of the L=M theory.  Special Agent Cooper
has met everyone on the show except Madeleine.  Why not?  Because as soon as
he meets her he is going to know that she is Laura.

Michael



Michael L. Kaufman   ||  So weave a circle round him thirce,
kaufman@eecs.nwu.edu ||     And close your eyes with holy dread.
                     ||  For he on honey-dew hath fed
                     ||     And drank the milk of paradise.       "Kubla Khan"

In article <9781@ccncsu.ColoState.EDU> bk436572@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU (brian krause) writes:
> >
> >Wow, what a show...cooool!
> >[...]
> >So far the smiling bag came true.....now..
> >2) the owls are not as they seem(giant quote).
> >--perhaps the eyes of the evil spirits of the woods...or messengers.
> >3) without chemicals he must point.
> >--eewwww! no idea....yet.

Maybe there is something hidden in some fake owls, like necklace in
the coconut.

Maybe the "without chemicals" part refers to how Leland's hair changed
color.
Dean Long dlong@cis.ucsc.edu

I posted an earlier message explaining why I thought Laura had
been molested by Leland at a young age (12 or earlier).  Some people
still seem to cling onto dippy theories like that Truman did it :) ,
so I thought I'd post more to support my idea.  **This is a direct 
copy of page 84 of Laura's secret diary.**  For those of you who haven't 
read it, go ahead and read it! It's great!



Dear Diary,                                 January 10, 1987 (age 15)

   I tried to talk to Dad at breakfast and he just sat there twitching,
like he doesn't have time for any extra thoughts.  Doesn't have time
for the fucking suicide dreams his own daughter is having.  
Neither one of my parents will talk to me...  What is this?  Some
kind of dream?
   Dad took off all of his clothes and shouted, "It's a dream...
Fucking relax, would you? ... So your mother saw photos of you 
licking the little privates of other women.  It appeared in these
photos that you were enjoying yourself.  Is this true?"
   I've never been more afraid than I am this very minute.
   I didn't even realize I was sleeping when that was written...
was I?
   Shit, this is too weird.  Just a little too weird.
   Was BOB here?  Was BOB inside...
   I won't even think it.

                                            --L

(end of entry)

Change "Was BOB inside..."  to  "was BOB inside Leland?".
The way Leland talks to Laura here is consistant with the way
BOB addresses Laura throughout the diary.
Laura couldn't say it, because she (with the help of BOB) is
supressing the identity of BOB, her molester and tormentor.
She "won't even think it." because the idea of her father
being BOB is too terrifying.  I don't blame her.   Leland
himself is supressing the idea that he is the tool BOB operates
through, clinging to the memory of dancing with Laura.

(from pg. 156)

Laura: Who are you... really?  

BOB:  I AM WHAT YOU FEAR I COULD BE.

The scene with Leland boffing Laura's coffin is pretty incriminating
by itself. His hesitation at having Laura's non-secret diary revealed 
to authorities made me think too... but it might be nothing.
Killer BOB tells Coop that "You may think I've gone insane,
but I promise, I will kill again".  Can you think of anyone
else who has recently become insane, who has killed again?
We know Leland is very nutso, humping coffins, various dancing scenes,
singing at the Haywards, the white hair, etc etc etc.  We know he
has killed again (Jacques).  Killer BOB also says "Catch you with my
death bag", and we see Jacques in a death bag during the season premiere.

The idea that Ben killed Laura also makes alot of sense, but to me this Leland
theory makes more sense.  Certainly the murderer is a man; the log lady
says the extra person with the foursome that night was male.  Also,
the 3rd person who slept with Laura that night was male, having left
semen.  Whoever left Josie as #1 at the top of their list of suspects,
I hope you read this. :)  Someone mentioned that Jerry Horne could
have done it: he was out of town, in Europe, eating those baguettes. :)


---Michael Kaye   horny@ucscb.ucsc.edu
"Many things are not as they seem"
"Sometimes owls are big"  --The log lady

Various points:

- People's hair >can< turn white overnight as a result of stress. This
happened to a friend of mine who had to hide from enemy soldiers.

- A partial theory: Laura invited Ronette into the train car for some
further fooling around (the diary indicates this had happened before).
Laura got rough with Ronette -- then BOB posessed Ronette, who killed
Laura. Ronette is seeing her own actions in the flashback, with her own
image replaced by BOB. She then (either with or without BOB driving)
dumped Laura in the lake. I admit there are bugs here, and that BOB did
look a lot like Leland. (I'd rewind and take a look again, but I gotta
get at least >one< night's sleep without nightmares!)

- Dr. Hayward has treated almost everyone in Twin Peaks. Couldn't he do
a check for people with AB- blood?

- What are the relative locations of the railroad car and the lake?

- Has Maddy put on a lot of weight since last season? In the diner/glasses
scene she bore a striking resemblance to Cyndi Lauper.

- Didn't Shelley and Catherine escape the mill together? Why did they find
Shelley but not Catherine?

- What is the canonical numbering scheme for the show? Are the movies 
counted as episodes? (I would think so.) I suggest, depending on the
agreed scheme, that we refer to the second season opener as either
episode 2.0 or 2.1?

- Can someone please (by email if necessary) run through again what 
happened in the Euroversion, for those of us who came into the group late?

- A goofy Lynch self-reference: The giant's coming back to tell Cooper what
he forgot is reminiscent of the beginning of Dune, where Princess Urinal
(or something like that) gives a prologue, fades out, then fades back in
and adds stuff she forgot to say.

- Is anyone else starting to find Twin Peaks more real than consensus
reality?
Joe Zitt...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

                 JUST SOME MORE HUMBLE THEORIES
 
    The main problem with all of the various Who Killed Laura
    Palmer theories is that they've tended to deal with T.P. as
    a regular detective/thriller series and have seriously
    overlooked the supernatural implications that were hinted at
    throughout the first season.  Quite clearly Twin Peaks is
    about to explode in a fiery ball of weirdness (weirder than
    it already is).  I'm predicting that much of this coming
    season will boarder on science fiction.
 
    Quite simply, there are obviously two Twin Peaks (T.P.-1 &
    T.P.-2).  It's kind of a parallel universe situation.
    Remember, Mike spoke of "two worlds" in Cooper's first
    dream.  The usual gang lives in T.P.-1, while T.P.-2 is
    inhabited by a strange group of midgets, giants, serial
    killers and who knows what else.  When Cooper speaks of the
    dark side of Twin Peaks he is literally referring to another
    world.
 
    With the existence of an alternate Twin Peaks established --
    there seems to be some sort of basic good vs. evil conflict
    going on in T.P.-2.  The Giant of course representing the
    good (the midget I'm not so sure about).  BOB of course is
    the ultimate evil force.  Unlike some of the others in
    T.P.-2, BOB seems to visit Twin Peaks quite regularly (his
    visits to Laura specifically -- for more info, see the
    diary).  This evil force (what some might call Evil in the
    Woods, although I don't believe for one second that this
    evil is limited strictly to the woods) is responsible for
    some of the darker elements that occasionally rampage
    through T.P.-1.
 
    As for Laura, it is fairly obvious that her behavior during
    the last few years of her life was controlled by the evil
    forces of T.P.-2 (probably BOB specifically).  Laura's death
    seems to have been part of some weird occult ritual (I say
    this primarily because of the evil nature of BOB and the
    strange neo-pagan looking clump of dirt surrounded by
    candles which was found in the boxcar where the murder was
    committed.)  The death of Laura was part of some ritual for
    BOB.
 
    Having killed Laura, BOB has moved on in search of another
    body to inhabit, degrade and ultimately sacrifice.  He's
    found Donna.  The most telling proof of this (more telling
    then her behavior in the jail with James) comes during the
    dinner scene while her sister is playing piano.  Watch this
    scene over again and notice how Donna's arms are bent back.
    Just like the midget's cousin said.
 
    And finally, as someone mentioned in an earlier post, Leland
    now looks just like Jim Bakker.  And if I'm not mistaken
    Sarah is beginning to resemble Tammi Faye.
 
     I hope most people aren't put off by the sudden infusion
     of supernatural forces which are about to invade Twin
     Peaks.  As far as I'm concerned it's the best thing that
     could happen to the show.  It's really the only way to
     keep T.P. from becoming just another nighttime soap.  Mr.
     Lynch wouldn't have it any other way.
 
 
                          * Rev. Kirk *

Perhaps this post will seem a little off the deep end, but bear with me
and keep an open mind.

Twin peaks is filled with recurring symbols.  In many, many scenes,
the following images appear:  Fish, Antlers, Indian Totems.
Often these are on the wall, directly above characters heads.
In the security box bank scene, antlers dominate the foreground.
The examples are too numerous to list so I won't even try.
If you look for this when you see TP again, you will be shocked
at how common they are.  I swear I'm not grasping at straws; there
is nothing subtle about these symbols juxtaposition!  They are
not arbitrary and do tell us something, much in the same way that
"Invitation to love" provides little clues.
 
I'm almost certain that Fish represents Josie.  The deer antlers
represent Ben (and Jerry?) Horne.

I don't know about the indian totems yet.

If anyone thinks they know about these things, let me know.
I would say that birds were symbolic of something, if
I didn't think that they were directly representing the weirdness
in twin peaks.  (owls, ravens, nightengales, waldo the mynah...)
There is definately something major to those birds...  and the woods...


---Michael Kaye       horny@ucscb.ucsc.edu

If Jacques had AB- and it is a rare type, maybe his brother Bernard...?

Edwin Nomura
"Are you auggesting that there's something... irregular at work here?"

In article <1990Oct1.222919.17384@alembic.acs.com> csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave Mack) writes:

   >
   >Some questions on the second season premiere:
   >
   >What is up with Donna?  She's like a different person. . . (besides
   >the fact that her hair grew six inches "overnight"--not to mention
   >chnaging color, but then there's a lot of that going around :)

   She's been possessed by the ghost of LP.

Well, that's about as good of an explanation as any.  She did go through a
fairly radical change ( appearnce, etc ) in only 12-24 hrs.  Kind of a
time warp here... :-)

Anybody else get the impression that James didn't know what hit him when
Donna paid him a visit?  I get the opinion that James is still a virgin
*gasp* and also a bit naive.  ( I can just imagine him asking Big Ed what
he should do next... )

-randy
-- Randy Welch Mail to : ...!ncar!scicom!bldr!randy or rwelch@du.edu Boulder, CO VOICE : 303-442-6717 "Unfortunately, life contains an unavoidable element of unpredictability" -David Lynch "The Angriest Dog in the World"

That was "Leo is locked in a hungry horse" as in Hungry Horse Montana jail.

In article <1091@ncis.tis.llnl.gov> lindner@ncis.tis.llnl.gov (Curt Lindner) writes:
-In article <1990Oct1.151932@cs.Buffalo.EDU> mathews@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Ryan D Mathews) writes:
->
->What happened to the scene of the blurry person walking toward the
->camera that we saw in the preview? That was cut out. Wonder why.
->
-No, it was there... He was running though... The preview must have
-been in slow motion.   And they blurred it so you couldn't see
-who it was...
-
-
-Curt

Where?  I don't remember seeing it either.

--  maggie

-- --scott douglass Any opinions above may be mine and are not necessarily those of Apple Computer. domain: scott@apple.com UUCP: {nsc, sun, voder, well, dual}!apple!scott CSNet: scott@Apple.CSNet AppleLink: Douglass1

In article <1990Oct1.202547.1848@athena.mit.edu> jerhy@athena.mit.edu (Jeremy A Hylton) writes:
-   Anyway, here is my theory, revised by a night's sleep:
-   Bob, who is Laura, killed Ronette and Laura.  Bob is an alternate
-sort of personality developed to deal with the psychological trauma of
-being molested by her father, Leland.  To prevent his discovery,
-Leland wraps his daughter in plastic and tosses her in the river.

I haven't been reading this group, so I must have missed something.
Why do we think that something is going on between Laura and Leland?
It seems to be common knowledge.

--  maggie

-- --scott douglass Any opinions above may be mine and are not necessarily those of Apple Computer. domain: scott@apple.com UUCP: {nsc, sun, voder, well, dual}!apple!scott CSNet: scott@Apple.CSNet AppleLink: Douglass1

Having Albert back is *great*  Just what TP needed, a straight-man!

His voice reminds me fo Sgt. Fridays on Dragnet!  ( another tie in? ,nah.)

-randy

-- Randy Welch Mail to : ...!ncar!scicom!bldr!randy or rwelch@du.edu Boulder, CO VOICE : 303-442-6717 "Unfortunately, life contains an unavoidable element of unpredictability" -David Lynch "The Angriest Dog in the World"

Several questions come to mind from the new episode of Twin Peaks:

Old man at the beginning of the show in Cooper's room - there's no way this
  could have been real, could it have been? He would have had to have seen
  Cooper's blood: afterall he could see when Cooper stuck his thumb up at
  him, and could presumably read the bill.  Why was he so stupid about calling
  a doctor? Is Lynch just being insensitive to elderly people, or are we to
  presume that the old man is another hallucination of Cooper's?

Broken Heart necklace - they carefully showed 3 shots of the broken heart
  necklace in a row, each time the necklace was on a different sort of cord
  (the new one was a piece of thin black rope, if I remember correctly)
  Are they getting REALLY sloppy with continuity?

Laura's killer - are we really to believe that the scary/crazy guy who was
  leaning over Laura's dead body is the murderer (BOB?) It certainly seems
  like that was the intention - we hear him hitting Ronette, we see him
  looking at the dead Laura, it makes sense with the giant's clues, and it
  certainly was a scary little scene (a little strong for prime time, no?)
  But is Laura's killer really a character none of us has ever seen before?
  That would be very disappointing..

Catherine and Josie - they just disappear, huh? Presumably Josie left 'to
  go on an emergency trip' or 'to put some distance between her and the fire'
  Awfully suspicious to leave the day your mill burns down - it would be
  irrational for Josie to leave then.

I think overall I was dissatisfied with the new season opener.  Perhaps my
expectations were too high, but there seem to be a lot of holes in the show.
My final hope is that they don't run Twin Peaks into the ground - some of the
subplots don't have much meat in them, and exploiting them would be really
weak.

>> >> BTW, what the hell does 'Prince' have (apart from about a
>> >> zillion bucks) that gets meat like Sherilyn Fenn and
>> >> (previously) Kim Bassinger(sp?) . . .
> >  Meat?!!! I hope you don't think of women as "MEAT", that
> >  attitude was though to be virtually extinct.
.-.
|O|ne would hope so.  I was inspired to say "look, it's trying to
| | think," but somebody used that joke on something else.  I
| | supposed could make reference to Neanderthalism, but it would
| | seem that even the Neanderthals had more enlightented atti-
`-' tudes than this clown.
    <_Jym_>

Did anybody notice the unidentifiable animal in the railcar scene
at the end of the last episode?  

Close to the end of the scene, there is a long pan down Ronette's body, 
(i.e., Ronette in the railcar, not lying in the hospital bed) from head 
down to belly.  You hear a heavy breathing sound, with a slight mixture
of moaning, such as a person makes when they're falling asleep.  But
this not a human moan, it the moan of some very large beast.  The
camera pans up to what we must assume is Bob's hand...but what is his
hand resting on...?  It *looks* like the giant snout of an animal,
and the damn thing shudders in time to the breathing!  (Actually, on
the left side of the 'snout' you can see something that resembles
a human nose, but nothing else there looks like it could be a face.)
Next, the scene turns black and we find ourselves looking at Bob,
and he starts screaming...but it's not just his voice alone, there
are other people and perhaps animals screaming.

Animal sounds, heavy breathing, chorused voices standing for one voice...
these are all devices Lynch/Frost use to evoke scary, ritualistic
environments, so I may be imagining things...but I'm sure that I see
that 'snout' moving in time to the breathing sound!

Greg Sandell

p.s. Someone mentioned being able to see Leland's face in the Railcar.
I've freeze-framed through every frame in that scene, and I don't know
what he's talking about.  A few frames do catch Bob's face in a strange
way, but nothing like Leland's face.


****************************************************************
* Greg Sandell (sandell@ils.nwu.edu)              Evanston, IL *
* Institute for the Learning Sciences, Northwestern University *
****************************************************************

Many thoughts/comments/questions on the new episode:

- Piper Laurie (Catherine Martell) was conspicuously absent from the opening
  credits.  While this could merely reflect the fact that she was not in this
  episode, I'd point out that Eric Da Re (Leo Johnson) was not in this episode
  (although we did see him in flahsbacks), yet he was listed.  Also Joan Chen
  (Josie Packard) was listed but not seen at all.
  
  Could they have really killed Catherine off?  Mark Frost did say nobody was
  really safe.
  
- What was the meaning of the Giant's response to Cooper's question of
  where he (the Giant) came from:  "The question is 'Where have you gone?'"
  
  Did this mean Cooper had crossed into the world of the Giant?  Or was he
  merely pointing out to Cooper that he hadn't been to some places in Twin
  Peaks where he might find clues?
  
- We've seen what "There is a man in a smiling bag" means.  How about the other
  two things the Giant told Cooper:
  
  - "The owls are not what they seem."  For readers of Laura's secret diary,
    could this be related to the three things the Log Lady told Laura:
    - "Things are not what they seem."
    - "Children are prey sometimes ..."
    - "Owls are sometimes big."
    
  - "Without chemicals, he points."  He who?  The third man?  Bob/BOB?
  
- Blackie is apparently a heroin addict, dependent on Ben and Jerry?

- What was the S-N-A-G to which Jerry referred when summoning Ben from Audrey's
  room?  A snag in the mill burning plan?
  
- Did everyone notice Mark Frost playing the TV reporter?

- In Maddy's dream/vision, did she see blood or fire spreading on the carpet?
  Since they cut to a fireplace scene, I would assume it was fire.
  
- What is the significance of Leland's hair turning white?  Guilt?  Getting
  over his grief?

- Continuity error:  when Cooper and Truman were at Leo's house figuring
  out what happened, the VCR that was on top of the TV when Bobby fell against
  it (just before Hank shot Leo) is missing.
  
- What is the significance of the boots found with the cocaine?  Remember when
  Leo told Bobby in the woods: "Leo needs a new pair of shoes."
  
- What's causing the personality switch in Donna?  Is she trying to act like
  Laura to be more attractive to James?  Or is she turning into Laura (the bad
  side)?
  
- Who sent the note telling Donna to check out the Meals on Wheels?  Could it
  be the Log Lady since she was shown immediately afterwards?
  
- Albert says that Gordon Call (Cooper's boss) ordered Albert back to Twin
  Peaks.  As we have heard, David Lynch is to appear in the sixth episode as 
  the hard-of-hearing Gordon Call.
  
  Best Albertism:  
  
    Cooper: "Where does this attitude of general unpleasantness come from?"
    Albert: "I'll have to get back to you on that."
    
- From where or what did Jacoby get the smell of scorched engine oil?

- Albert confirmed that the letter found under Teresa Banks fingernail was
  'T'.  We had assumed this was the case from the blackboard in the rock
  throwing scene, but this was the first confirmation.  Still doesn't tell
  us much of what it might mean.
  
- As pointed out here last week by David Tuttle, we have a serious continuity
  error with the AB negative blood type of the third man.  Cooper says it is
  neither Laura's, Ronette's, Leo's, nor Jacques', yet in episode 5 when they
  are searching Jacques' apartment, Cooper surmises and Doc Hayward confirms
  that Jacques' blood type is AB negative.  Could this be the one thing Cooper
  forgot (according to the Giant)?  I don't think so.
  
- The actor who played the Hong Kong detective checking into the hotel in 
  episode 6 did not play the Asian man in this episode.  Is this supposed to 
  be the same man?
  
- Just what is Hank's connection to Ben and Jerry?  He's obviously been in
  on a lot of their plans.
  
- When the Giant reappears, he says, "One person saw the third man.  Three
  have seen him, yes.  But not his body.  One only, known to you, ready to
  talk." It seems clear this is Ronette.  But if she does know who the third
  man is, why does her (very disturbing) dream/memory/vision show the same man
  (Killer Bob?) as in Cooper's dream, and Sarah's vision?  Why wouldn't she
  "see" the real identity of the third man?  And for that matter, was she
  reliving the events in the railroad car?  What were the flashes of light?
  What was the image of Killer Bob running through a doorway (running through
  the hospital doorway at Ronette)?  That whole sequence was very effective and
  sent a shiver through my spine.

- Classic Lynchisms:

  - The overly long opening scene with the waiter.  It was great at relaying 
    the agony of Cooper's long wait for help.  (When will this scene be over?)
    
  - The long pan over the rows of donuts while Cooper/Albert were explaining
    what happened the night of Laura's death.  With obligatory fade-in of the 
    woods and stoplight.
    
  - The shtick with the hospital food and the doctor's comment "Nurse, I
    really mean it.  You'd better speak to that kitchen." just before
    Pete gags at the smell of it.

- And how about the ABC "save our jobs" commercial for the Saturday night
  programs?  I thought that was clever.

Does anyone (Paul Raveling?) know who the person was who the show was dedicated
to (Dedicated to the Memory of <Some Person>) in the closing credits?

--
- Greg Earle| poseur% Got a light?
  Sun Los Angeles| No match.
  JPL on-site Software Support| poseur% /usr/old/make love
  earle@poseur.JPL.NASA.GOV| Make:  Don't know how to make love.  Stop.

.-.
|L|ast week I heard a radio interview with Mike Wallace.  Two
`-' items of interest:

o He started broadcasting at a radio station called
  WOOD.  Shades of Blue Velvet!

o He was part of the "Mike and Bob" show.

    <_Jym_>

.-.
|I|nteresting place names in Twin Peaks.  Laura jumped off at the
| | corner of Sparkwood and 21st.  What inspired the name "Spark-
`-' wood?"  Fire . . . walk with me . . .
.-.
|E|ven more intriguing is Ghostwood.
`-' <_Jym_>

In article <1990Oct1.204115.29606@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
#   By the way, is ``Killer Bob'' or ``BOB'' referred to as such in
#any episode of the show?

At the end of the dream episode, there is a credit for "Killer Bob".

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Cooper MUST have met Madeline at Laura's funeral. She was standing
right there and Coop was keeping a sharp eye on everyone. I'm sure he
would have noticed her. The introductions were probably made before the
service started. 

Seeing Mark Frost as the TV reporter was a pleasant suprise.

Classic Lynch: Wanting to cry at Ed's sad Nadine story while rolling
on the floor laughing at Albert's facial expressions.

Good for Andy at telling old Al off! I loved Lucy's expression!

How long have Harry & Josie been an item? I'd think he'd be aware that
she went to Seattle "every three months" to attend to business & shop.
But then again, I'd have thought he (or Doc Hayward) would have known
where The Log Lady lived too.

We had audio problems here in Chicago. Were we the only ones?
It was especially frustrating at the end while the Giant was speaking.
Finally got it all figured out. 

Not a word about Lucy's pregnancy. Maybe next week.

GREAT SHOW!!!! I'm also in for the duration. I could care less about
who killed Laura, though the clues are interesting to follow.

Vickie
katefans@world.std.com