Season 2, Episode 08: Drive with a Dead Girl — November 17–30, 1990

In article <1990Nov16.064837.14585@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> slg20427@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Special Agent Cooper) writes:
> >
> >Did anyone catch the movie "Electric Dreams" last Friday on TBS?      
> >Starring Lenny Von Dohlen?  Pretty lame movie but he was nice in it.  Also nice
> >to see another Lynch actress in it, Virginia Madsen [Dune].
> >

...while watching cable late sunday night, a movie called "Silent
Night, Deadly Night III: Better Watch Out" was on....and guess who was
in it: Richard Beymer (Ben) and Eric DaRe (Leo)....the movie was
another cheeseball slasher movie but it makes me wonder why lynch,
frost, or whoever chose the actresses/actors they did...

console cowboy

elf%halcyon.uucp@seattleu.edu writes:

> >        This is an odd question; given Lynch's tendency to have truly 
> >outrageous characters on the show, let's consider Albert's behavior.  Did 
> >he
> >        (A) Make up that whole thing about his being a 'peaceful 
> >warrior,' and "I love you, Sherriff Truman," to save his personal hide, 
> >or,
> >        (B) Is Albert, in true Lynchian style, a true 'peaceful 
> >warrior,' except that he is also the most grating and obnoxious 
> >personality one should ever meet?

Heck, I didn't believe Albert for a minute.  It doesn't take much reading
of Ghandi or King to discover there should be respect for the whole person,
not just simple avoidance of non-violence.  Need we mention with what
respect Albert treats those human beings?

So when Albert makes his little speech he's either (a) lieing thru his
unbrushed teeth, (b) hasn't the faintest conception of what he's
talking about, or (c) both.

Unfortunately, any combination of the upper and lower case suggestions
is possible and supportable.  Ain't TP fun?  :-)
-- "When your neighbour loses his job, it's a slowdown; when you lose your own job, it's a recession; when an economist loses his job it's a depression." -- "Six Ways To Define A Recession", The Economist, Nov. 3 1990.

elf%halcyon.uucp@seattleu.edu writes:

> > This is an odd question; given Lynch's tendency to have truly outrageous
> >characters on the show, let's consider Albert's behavior.  Did he
> >        (A) Make up that whole thing about his being a 'peaceful warrior,'
> >and "I love you, Sherriff Truman," to save his personal hide, or,
> >        (B) Is Albert, in true Lynchian style, a true 'peaceful 
> >warrior,' except that he is also the most grating and obnoxious 
> >personality one should ever meet?

New data!  New data!  From the Detroit Free Press TV Magazine, writeups
for "Saturday (Nov 24) Special Interest" (and no, I'm *not* making this
up):

"Broken Badges - (Premiere) A New Orleans cop Beau Jack Bowman (Miguel
Ferrer), forms a special off-beat crime-fighting unit composed of cops
temporarily on psychiatric leave from the force."

There you have -- he's the bull goose looney in the looney bin.
-- "When your neighbour loses his job, it's a slowdown; when you lose your own job, it's a recession; when an economist loses his job it's a depression." -- "Six Ways To Define A Recession", The Economist, Nov. 3 1990.

In article <46647@apple.Apple.COM>, barr@Apple.COM (Ron Barr) writes:
> > Does anyone else feel gratified that most of the loose ends so far have been
> > tied together? For example, early on it looked like the Theresa Banks,
> > Ronette Pulaski, "Fire walk with me" and dwarf dream sequences were fun
> > interesting visuals not particularly related to anything.
> > 
> > Now it looks like Frost & Lynch had a pretty clear notion of where they were
> > going from the beginning and that a lot of yet to be tied loose ends are
> > part of a central vision. I'm pretty impressed.
> > 
> > Ron

I love satiric articles when they are done correctly.  Readers take note:
just the right touch of seriousness and no smileys to spoil the effect.  
Well done!

Curtis Dyreson
New College

In article <1661@beguine.UUCP>, George.Harris@samba.acs.unc.edu (George Harris) writes:

["blah, blah, blah, my powers of deduction are so superior to yours"]

> > Can one therefore conclude that BOB flits from body to body
> > with all the skiitishness of a hummingbird on cocaine?

One can conclude whatever one damn well pleases.  As far as I'm concerned, it's
still up in the air.

> > You tell me, & try to keep a straight face.

I'm good at that.  Besides, you can never *really* tell what's going on with
Lynch around...
-- Eric Olson <fsejo@acad3.fai.alaska.edu> Gryphon Gang Fairbanks AK 99775 "You think you're a rebel? You actually think you're a fucking rebel? You're not a rebel. You're fucking psychotic." "You say tomayto, I say tomahto..." --_Heathers_

One for you folks who have tape libraries:

Were Cooper and Jacoby attacked by the same man?  My memory says
dark coat and full-face dark knit cap, but that's not much to go
on.  A re-viewing might confirm or deny.  As for why Jacoby would
smell something during his attack but not Cooper -- Coopers attack
was so short that the smell of gunpowder was probably masking or
mixing with any other smell.
-- "When your neighbour loses his job, it's a slowdown; when you lose your own job, it's a recession; when an economist loses his job it's a depression." -- "Six Ways To Define A Recession", The Economist, Nov. 3 1990.

In article <16362@s.ms.uky.edu> bud@ms.uky.edu (William K. Glunt --- green eyed devil) writes:
> >
> > Last week I was out in San Francisco at the Siam meeting
> >on linear algebra.  The meetings were held in a hotel mezzanine,
> >and all the rooms had names,  like the El Dorodo room,  etc.
> >
> > I went to one meeting and was astonished to find it being held in
> >'Twin Peaks'!

Twin Peaks is of course a SF neighborhood ...


Paul


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bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes:

> >Don't forget that Leland is just an "ordinary inhabitant of Twin Peaks"
> >too, yet BOB inhabits him.  My guess is that Droolcup is a host for
> >the giant who is an owl.

> >Anyone notice how there's always a bright spotlight on the "owls" and
> >the people they're interacting with?  This has been the case with
> >both BOB and the giant.

There was also a spotlight on the horse. Is
the horse an owl?

<I wonder how many replies will be posted saying
 a horse is a horse, of course of course.>

TM

In article <21653@beguine.UUCP> rslugg@uncmed.med.unc.edu () writes:
> >The traffic to alt.tv.twin-peaks is becoming huge, and a large part of this is
> >because of people posting excerpts from the diary.  The diary isn't helping,
> >it's pages can support any theory!  Please discuss excerpts from the super-
> >secret diary in alt.tv.twin-peaks.diary.

1) The largest amount of postings, IMHO, is still theories about
what's going on, not diary excerpts. That peakes a few weeks after it
was published.

2) Because you are just creating the group without giving any time at
all for discussion or comments, I sincerely doubt this group will get
much distribution.

3) Diary-readers do not form a clique of their own, apart from TP
fans. Do you expect people who comment on the diary to stay in your
new group (which I gather you're not even going to read yourself) and
not crosspost?

Summary: This group won't be carried much, and even where it is, I
doubt that many will use it.

---------- Ryan Mathews
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In article <mavroidi.658872617@kramden> mavroidi@kramden.nyu.edu (Telly Mavroidis) writes:
> >bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes:
> >
[stuff deleted]   
>> >>Anyone notice how there's always a bright spotlight on the "owls" and
>> >>the people they're interacting with?  This has been the case with
>> >>both BOB and the giant.
> >
> >There was also a spotlight on the horse. Is
> >the horse an owl?

There was a spotlight on BOB and Maddie during the attack ....

Also Maddie could have broken through the windows right behind her

Further, she had at least a second before BOB caught up with her on
the steps .... does this mean BOB has supernatural physical powers
w.r.t. speed ?

(BOB is actually the FLASH in disguise !!!!)



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In article <2902@dali> icsu8297@ming.cs.montana.edu (Wilbanks) emits:
>From the very beginning I've known who really killed Laura Palmer, but
> >until this last episode I've not had enough evidence to prove my
> >theory... yes you guessed it:
> >
> >                         JULIE CRUSE KILLED LAURA PALMER!
  (sic)  (sic)

\begin{satire}
How could lyrics like those posted below depress anyone :-)
Don't you know that Julee Cruise isn't actually singing her songs on stage?
She is lip syncing her album, which was sung by Milli Vanilli :-)
\end{satire}

So darkLove
So darkDon't go away
So darkCome back this way
Come back and stay
Forever and ever

"Into The Night""The world spins"

- Morrow

-- H. Morrow Long Manager of Development Yale Univ. Comp Sci Dept. Computing Facility

excerpted without permission from the East Bay Express, Nov. 16, 
1990

"Tweaking the Peaks"
by Andrew Goodwin

Can you remember the last time you were so scared by a television 
program that you needed to pour a drink during each commercial 
break? Did you stick to coffee and donuts last Saturday evening, 
when Twin Peaks revealed the identity of BOB? Or did you need 
something a little stiffer? Have you noticed that the show has 
abandoned much of its irony, taking its tongue out of its cheek, and 
adopted the codes of the fantastic, the fabulous, and the horrific? In 
doing so, hasn't it shifted from being a clever joke about soap opera 
and cranked itself up several emotional gears? And isn't it true that 
its science-fiction-cum slasher-movie aesthetic has now moved Twin 
Peaks beyond the cerebral and started hitting you in the guts, with 
all the violent force of Laura Palmer's killer?

Do you like to be teased and toyed with? Was Roland Barthes correct 
to compare narrative with striptease? Were you hoping that all the 
garments would come off on Saturday night? Or is it more fun seeing 
the text partially clothed in slinky red herrings and enigmatic clues? 
Did you _really_ want to find out who killed Laura Palmer? Didn't 
you think it pathetic that so many TV critics were braying for some 
resolution, accusing Twin Peaks of being a cheat, a fake, and a con for 
stringing us along for so long? Wasn't that the _point_? When 
Benjamin Horne was almost revealed as the killer halfway through 
Saturday night's episode, didn't you secretly want _not_ to find out, 
just yet? If he'd been transformed into BOB as he was being arrested, 
wouldn't that have been a letdown? Aren't stories like sex? And 
didn't you want to delay the climax for just a little longer? The 
Saturday evening slot is helping to murder this show in the ratings, 
but there is some poetry in the scheduling -- after all, Saturday night 
is when the married couples who stay in to watch TV Do It, isn't it?

So how did you fare this Saturday? Did you guess weeks ago that 
Tojamura (the stereotyped Asian gentleman who asserted: "I find 
adherence to fantasy troubling and unreasonable") was a woman? 
Did you suspect he was Catherine? Or did you think he was Laura? 
And where is Josie? Has she really left town, or is she also present, in 
disguise? Does it bother you that we care? Are you upset that 
television viewers invest themselves in fiction? Do you think we 
should all be doing something more "serious"? Do you find adherence 
to fantasy troubling and unreasonable?

Did you shiver, scream, or cry out when Laura's father Leland 
adjusted his tie in the living room mirror . . . and looking back was 
the ghastly face of BOB? Did you need someone to hold on to? Do we 
know that he killed Laura? Maybe it was Madeleine? Meaning that 
on Saturday he attacked the real Laura? And is she 
(Madeleine/Laura) dead? Or will the telepathic Log Lady alert Agent 
Cooper to the murder in time for him to reach the scene of the crime 
and perhaps save Madeleine/Laura, or at least hear some dying 
works? If Madeleine is really Laura, is that why she saw him as BOB? 
Or do we assume that Madeleine (like Laura's mother Sarah and her 
friend Ronnette) can also see BOB?

BOB is scary, isn't he? Why? Because BOB is real? Is it this which 
makes the second season of Twin Peaks compelling? Where does it 
hurt? Do you  know? Do we really know who or what BOB is? Was 
last Saturday's image of the mother (Sarah Palmer) comatose, 
immobile, looking on at the father's abuse of her family, 
_metaphorical_? In a nation concerned about child abuse, will David 
Lynch dare to joke around with this stuff? Or will he grow up?

Could a television serial ever survive mid-season narrative 
resolution? Was it a coincidence that last Saturday's nail-biter 
occurred during sweeps month? (Aren't some questions too dumb 
even to be asked?) If Twin Peaks resolves itself, will it become a 
dead soap opera? A victim of murder by narrative resolution? A 
televisual corpse with no outstanding questions for life support? Are 
we watching a soap opera that continues forever, or a very, very long 
miniseries? If this is a soap opera with an ending, then isn't -- Twin 
Peaks a serial killer?

Doesn't television sometimes have an emotional power unmatched by 
cinema, because of its serial form and its simultaneous transmission? 
Because the serial invades the fabric of our lives, and begins, in this 
case, to structure our Saturday nights -- to become, indeed, its 
climax? And because we are all watching it _together_ -- if not as a 
nation, then at least as a time-zone-united-in-horror -- doesn't that 
lend television greater impact, the ability to constitute a 
simultaneous mass media event that thereby thrills its participants 
in a way that cinema never can?

And so: Have you thought about the further possibilities for 
narrative arousal? Of course you have, haven't you? Leland is the 
killer -- but what accounts for his actions, since we know that the 
letters-under-the-fingernail imply a serial killer, not a crime of 
parental passion? And is his wife Sarah dead, dying, drugged, or 
simply insane? If Leland is BOB, why did the One-Armed Man 
collapse in the presence of Benjamin Horne? Why were pages torn 
from Laura Palmer's secret diary? We know (if we've read it) that 
Laura didn't tear them out -- so who did? Did Harold Smith really kill 
himself? Or was he murdered? If so, by whom? Is Leo Johnson really 
catatonic? Or is he pretending? At what point will he spark into life 
and unleash his sadistic madness upon Bobby and Shelley? What is 
the relation between the extraterrestrial Giant and the dithering, 
ancient butler? Are they the same person? Is Diane really a tape 
recorder, as the sleeve for the Twin Peaks album suggests? If not, 
how and when will she appear? What does "the owls are not what 
they seem" mean? And where _is_ Agent Cooper's ring?

Have you noticed that the "Invitation to Love" soap-within-a-soap 
that appeared during the first season has now gone? Isn't this 
significant? Doesn't its disappearance signify the transformation of 
Twin Peaks from a show _about_ soap opera into something more 
interesting -- a soap opera? Hasn't the clever-clever Twin Peaks 
been slowly corrupted by its form, the _serial_? Is this perhaps not 
so much David Lynch's triumph over television, but television's 
triumph over Lynch?

Can soap opera deal with parallel (nonrealist) realities? (If your 
answer is No, what about Pam Ewing's dream?) Isn't the crypto-
feminist critique of Twin Peaks for its images of violence against 
women a mistake, since we are no longer distanced from them 
through intertextual joking, but instead required to feel? Isn't this 
identification (the triumph of soap, of the serial, of the TV audience) 
important precisely because identifying with the horror of violence 
and abuse is the first step towards educating people about it? Are we 
so dumb as to believe that all representations endorse what they 
show? And if -- as some critics have suggested -- soap narratives are 
gendered through the link between their multiple climaxes and 
female sexuality, don't we also think that constant reiteration and 
discovery of _questions_ might have something to do with how 
women talk, not through bold statements, but through tentative 
inquiry?

Do we still run the risk of discovering that Twin Peaks will be yet 
another David Lynch exercise in playfulness? Like Wild at Heart, 
couldn't Twin Peaks still turn out to be gross yet superficial? 
Excessive but pointless? How important is Mark Frost (the cocreator 
of the series) and his influence in providing a counterbalance to 
Lynch's tendency to spoil his on work with banality posing as Art? 
Did you read all those interviews with Lynch last month and find a 
single interesting statement in any of them? Or did you groan at the 
vapidity of these exchanges? Does it matter what Lynch thinks? 
Wouldn't it be more interesting to interview the TV audience?

What is the meaning of symmetry in Twin Peaks? Have you noticed 
how often we find ourselves peeking at twins? Which of these 
parallels is significant? Madeleine and Laura? The Giant and the 
Butler? The One-Armed Man the the One-Eyed Woman (Nadine)? The 
One-Eyed Woman and One-Eyed Jacks?

Did you hear Benjamin Horne call out "what's the meaning of this?" 
when the One-Armed Man collapsed in his hotel lobby? Is Agent 
Cooper suffering from hypoglycemia? Was the whipped cream that 
exploded all over the newly adolescent Nadine in the Double R Coffee 
Shop sexual? Can you hear a waitress offer someone pie in a coffee 
shop without laughing?

Remember the Little Man From Another Place who appeared in 
Agent Cooper's dreams last season? Wasn't he supposed to be 
important? Remember how Cooper subsequently announced: "I know 
who killed Laura Palmer"? if he meant, as we must assume, that his 
unconscious mind knew the answers, where are the clues in his 
dream? We now know who BOB is; but are we watching a 
conventional story in which BOB is the image that represents Laura's 
(and her mother's . . . and Ronette's?) denial of parental abuse, or are 
these events meant to be literally supernatural? To put in another 
way, if many of the strange events are located in Agent Cooper's 
unconscious, who sent the AGENT COOPER message from outer space? 
Do the writers know? What is the meaning of all this?

We would like answers to these questions, but -- like chastity -- we 
don't want them _yet_, right? Aren't questions always more erotic 
than answers?

I haven't seen this idea yet, so I think I'll mention it.  (You never
know, I might be right.)  After watching the last episode again this
afternoon, it struck me that my first impression of Sarah as she crawled
down the stairs was that she was drunk.   BOB seems to kill people in a
pretty brutal manner, and other than the fact that she can't seem to
walk and passes out, she doesn't appear very brutalized.  

BOB Jacques

This may be a bit heavy for an entertainment newsgroup, but some things
are too important to be left unsaid ...

Several posters have reported reactions, such as BOB appearing in
dreams and nightmares, to the 10 November episode.  This has largely
been commented on as an indication of the emotional strength and
psychological accuracy of Lynch's work, particularly in the link
between multiple personalities and childhood sexual abuse/incest and
the transgenerational link in such cases.

I am aware of at least one victim who had uncovered childhood abuse
after long therapy and who had an extreme emotional reaction to the 10
November show. This person has asked me to remind the net that a
significant reaction to the program *could* be the indicator of a
long-suppressed incident, and that individuals should be aware of the
availablity of help and the laws in many states which liberalize
limitations on reporting of abuse from time of realization by the
victim rather than date of the act itself; in some states a case
against an entity such as a school or a church has a longer period of
allowed reporting than one against an individual.

 My wife is a student at Colorado State U, where she likes to study in a
 portion of the library downstairs where softdrinks and snacks are
 allowed.  Since refreshments are allowed in this area of the library,
 it's a popular place.

 She went there at a time when all the tables were *packed*, except one.
 There were six chairs at this table, and only one of them occupied.
 She looked at the guy sitting there, and said to herself, "Oh, there's
 Bob."  ........  Whoa, wait a second!!  The guy was a ringer for Bob!
 Long, scraggly hair, rough beard, she never did look at his clothes.
 Nobody would sit there.  She thought it was silly, but she just
 couldn't bring herself to sit at that table either.


 Also, there's a guy here (Fort Collins) who looks just like Dr.
 Jacoby.  Frizzled, graying hair; same build; looks like the same
 height.  We've seen him once at a hardware store and once at a golf
 course.  No Hawaiian shirts though.

elf%halcyon.uucp@seattleu.edu writes:

> >         This is an odd question; given Lynch's tendency to have truly 
> > outrageous characters on the show, let's consider Albert's behavior.  Did 
> > he
> >         (A) Make up that whole thing about his being a 'peaceful 
> > warrior,' and "I love you, Sherriff Truman," to save his personal hide, 
> > or,
> >         (B) Is Albert, in true Lynchian style, a true 'peaceful 
> > warrior,' except that he is also the most grating and obnoxious 
> > personality one should ever meet?
> >         What's your opinion?
> > _________________________________________________sig 32________________
> > Elf Sternberg      | Didja ever realize that if it wasn't for Newton
> > elf@halcyon.wa.com | we wouldn't haveta eat bruised apples?
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Interesting question, and one that has come up before. I happen to think 
that he's one of these repressed people who are so dead-set against 
physical violence, he'll become a nervous wreck if he doesn't get out his 
agressions in some way. So he acts like an asshole.

Meaningless quote for the day:
       "People who live in gasoline houses shouldn't throw matches."

Richard Barrett

barr@Apple.COM (Ron Barr) writes:

> > Does anyone else feel gratified that most of the loose ends so far have been
> > tied together? For example, early on it looked like the Theresa Banks,
> > Ronette Pulaski, "Fire walk with me" and dwarf dream sequences were fun
> > interesting visuals not particularly related to anything.
> > 
> > Now it looks like Frost & Lynch had a pretty clear notion of where they were
> > going from the beginning and that a lot of yet to be tied loose ends are
> > part of a central vision. I'm pretty impressed.
> > 
> > Ron


I dunno... After 11/10, I've been getting the stranges feeling that Frost 
and Lynch plan the show according to the majority on alt.tv.twin-peaks. 
Seriously. There have been too many coincidences - the most amazing being 
a.t.tp figuring out that Leo's "new shoes" remark back in 1.3 actually 
meant something significant, about a month before it was even brought up 
again in the series.
Of course, I'm probably way off, considering that they probably had these 
episodes filmed sometime during the summer.

Meaningless quote for the day:
       "People who live in gasoline houses shouldn't throw matches."

Richard Barrett

asente@adobe.com (Paul Asente) writes:

> > In article <1990Nov16.010856.17629@sbcs.sunysb.edu> mjn@sbgrad6.cs.sunysb.edu
>> > >Judge:  And why exactly did you feel Mr. Horne might be responsible for Ms.
>> > >    Palmer's death ?
>> > >
>> > >Coop:   Well, in a vision I had, The Giant gave me the clue "Without
>> > >    chemicals he points"-
> > 
> > Nonsense.  Laura's diary stated something like "I have to tell the world
> > about Ben Horne."  Audrey revealed that Ben was sleeping with Laura, and
> > the question of who the third man who had sex with Laura the night she
> > was killed is still unresolved.  They had plenty of cause to bring Ben
> > in for questioning.
> > 
> > -paul asente
> > asente@adobe.com...decwrl!adobe!asente
> > 
> > Bibles can ALWAYS be obtained FOR FREE from Hotels, Church
> > organizations, the Gideon Society, thrift stores, and your parents'
> > house.  Be advised that in certain instances theft is a moral
> > obligation.


I would love to know just what copy of the Diary Cooper was reading - it 
says nothing of the kind. It says that "Maybe Dad knows BOB..." not "BOB 
is a friend of my father's." It says "I'm going to have to tell the world 
about Benjamin," not "Ben Horne." (okay, that's a big nitpick, but what 
can I say. :>) Of course, the diary was really torn up (did Harold get 
really pissed off or what?), and the script might have been written off 
of an early draft by Jennifer Lynch. 

Meaningless quote for the day:
       "People who live in gasoline houses shouldn't throw matches."

Richard Barrett

coufal@piglet.caltech.edu (David Ernest Coufal) writes:

> > 
> > In message <3314@jaytee.East.Sun.COM> bdowning@otc.East.Sun.COM (Bill Downing
> > 
>> > >Any truth to the rumor that TP will be pre-empted 11-24-90 by the Notre Dame
>> > >tball game??
> > 
> > I called ABC here in Los Angeles, and they said that Twin Peaks WILL be
> > preempted on November 24. They will be showing a movie instead.
> > I assume the same thing will be happening all over the country.
> > 

So we just don't get to see that episode? Or will it be shown at a later 
date? (presumably during reruns)


Meaningless quote for the day:
       "People who live in gasoline houses shouldn't throw matches."

Richard Barrett

mccarty@aaet.csc.ti.com (Rick McCarty) writes:

> > In article <1990Nov15.220859.9590@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> svihla@evax0.eng.fsu.edu
>> > >
>> > >[stuff deleted] Now given BOB's putative penchant for pyromania, isn't
>> > >it perfectly proper to posit that he set some huge blaze, maybe in the fores
>> > >that the log lady's husband (hereafter LLH) died trying to extinguish? Along
>> > >with maybe some other people? And maybe BOB himself?
> > 
> > Is it even possible that LL's husband IS BOB (or MIKE)?
> > 
> > ===========================================================================
> > Rick McCarty                                    "TP is reaching new peaks!"
> > mccarty@aaet.csc.ti.com                                 :-)~*|>
> > ===========================================================================


You know, that's an interesting thought. We don't know Margaret's last 
name, do we?

Meaningless quote for the day:
       "People who live in gasoline houses shouldn't throw matches."

Richard Barrett

Hi All,

New to the group but not to TP. Just had a thought last night that
made it hard to fall asleep ( couldn't get BOB out of my minds eye).

Remember when Maddy had a vision of BOB coming after her in the
living room? Well, you'd have to check the tapes, but what she saw looked 
alot like exactly what *did* happen to her when BOB was chasing her.

This brings up the vision of Mrs Palmer. I don't see any similarities
in her vison to what happened, but we don't know if she's dead or delerious,
and if BOB did attack her, we didn't see it.

I think Maddy and Mrs Palmer are Damned and Coop is Gifted. But early
in the series it was said all the Palmer women were gifted, so who knows.

The Wizard of AHs

 * I'm tickled that Scott got work and everything, but I really HATE it
when characters change so noticeably from episode to episode.  This was
like a whole new Cooper... a talky caricature.

 * If Deschanel thought he was putting in a Lynch-like touch by making
us watch Louise Dombroskie dance with that flashlight for 2 minutes
straight, he was wrong.  Or if he's such a dyed-in-the-wool MTV alumnus
that he just doesn't feel right directing a whole show without inserting
at least one backlight fuzzy slo-mo girl dancing sequence, then he
should get a life.  Newell isn't SUPPOSED to be right about this, let's
not pass out free ammunition.

 * You can tell a comparatively *bad* TP episode by the ratio of action
advanced :: film expended.  Two important things and two ho-hum things
happened tonight, PERIOD.  I'll skip them until tomorrow for the sake of
left coast readers.  But this was pretty dismal.

 * Let's hope Glatter has the next one!

 * But hey, how about those Little Caesars hand puppets huh?  :-)


-- I'm a Leo. Leos don't believe * * * Tom Neff in this astrology stuff. * * * tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM

In article <1990Nov15.012750.22989@midway.uchicago.edu> lecl@quads.uchicago.edu (elizabeth e. leclair) writes:
> >    "I can see Lynch's work in three ways.  All of them scare me.  He
> >might be cynically corrupt, exploiting his now vast, gullible, prime-time
> >audience with those secrets he says it's all about.  Or I can see him as
> >the wise man, the visionary showing us our darkest depths.  Or maybe he's
> >really the gifted innocent in touch with, though incompletely aware of,
> >his own unconscious and tapping ours in ways he cannot articulate."

A friend's therapist stated that she's most interested in how people
*reacted* to (oh shit, forgot the name) Lynch's most recent film.

She found the movie, well, she found the theatre, ok? :-)  Nothing
too terribly new or inventive, although she was glad some attempt
was made to link childhood abuse and adult problems.


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In article <1990Nov13.154508.23296@wpi.WPI.EDU> jroyea@wpi.WPI.EDU (James E Royea) writes:
> >Supposedly you see a white horse before you die and go to hell.  Remember, only
> >the gifted or the DAMNED can see Bob's true face.



I've always assumed the white horse was heroin (aka H, white horse, horse).
"Without chemical, he points."
(paraphrase) "Do to [Horne's] daughter what he did to me." ie, hook
her on smack.

And finally, the man who can probably best tell us about Heroin:
"You could sit and stare at your big toe for eight hours, and never
be bored once." -- William S. Burroughs.
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Other than Ronette's rather bizarre one, we've had our
first flashback this week.  Ben & Jerry as kids:
1) Jerry's memory is not perfect... that was a braided rug,
   not a "hook rug."

2) Did anyone else notice the cigar in little Ben's (left?)
   hand?

3) I don't have any direct evidence to support this, but
   anyone want to bet that was Sherilyn Fenn dancing?  We'll
   probably never find out.

*****

Cooper in the Harry-mobile:
1) Whistling "Surrey with the Fringe on Top".
2) Asking about driver's ed.

Both before he saw the car (or could possibly have heard Leland singing).

(I agree, it sure looked like Leland (Bob)  wanted to whack SA Cooper.)

*****

"She's a caution, isn't she?"  I had never heard "caution" used like
this before but the dictionary says its reasonable.  Pete must be
some kinda guy, playing back a tape where his wife admits fooling
around just 2 short weeks ago and playing it to the 3rd party.  Pete
the Poodle.

*****

Did anyone else think that Leland giggling at the Great Northern
sounded "almost exactly like" the dwarf's strange breathing/sounds
in the dream?

*****

It seems that Leland will be nailed since he can be quoted as saying
he saw Maddy just 20min ago, at least 10 hours after she died (which
the coroners (even without Albert) should be able to figure out).
Now that's sloppy.  "Why don't you try and write her?" 

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Well, here's the latest quote list, with quotes from 11/18.  SPOILERS, if you
haven't seen the episode yet.



 
I received several quotes that stil aren't on this list, either because I
didn't like 'em enough or because I lost 'em in a flurry of editing hell
a while ago.  As always, if you see anything you think is in error or any-
thing you think is missing, let me know!

Which two quotes in this list were never said on the show, and where _were_
they said?  (Trivia question, for personal amusement only.)

RAY WISE IS A GENIUS!!!  I'm so happy Leland's character is developing into
something TRULY TWISTED AND WONDERFUL!  The golf bag???  aaaagh... and she
was

WRAPPED IN PLASTIC TWICE!!!!!!  Too bad Pete missed it....

It's still a damn fine ride... let's hope it holds together!

------------------------------------

Cooper:  I'm sure the Sheriff will be able to recommend a clean place,
reasonably priced--that's what I need, a clean place, reasonably priced.

Leo:  Leo needs a new pair of shoes!

Ben:    Leland's daughter was murdered and the Norwegians left.
Jerry:  Did they sign?
Ben:    No.
Jerry:  We had those vikings by the HORNS!  What HAPPENED?
Ben:    We're not exactly sure; they took the translator with them.
Jerry:  Sigh.  Did you say Leland's daughter was murdered?
Ben:    Yes.
Jerry:  I'm depressed.

Cooper:  Harry, when Albert finishes up at the Great Northern, we'll meet back
         at the station.  I'm ready to lay the whole thing out.
Truman:  Rocks and bottles?
Cooper:  Chalk and blackboard will be just fine.
Truman:  Jelly donuts?
Cooper:  Harry, that goes without saying.

Andy:  Lucy!
Lucy:  What?
Andy:  <Crash!>
Lucy:  Andy?

Senor Droolcup:  Your milk is gonna get cool...
Cooper (lying on his back, bleeding):  OhKaayy

Sarah Palmer:  I miss her so much.  I miss her so much!  I miss her so much!!!

Cooper:  Sheriff, get your mind off Shelley.

Chief Norwegian (to Audrey):  Is something wrong, young, pretty girl?

Cooper:  Albert's path is a strange and difficult one.

Dick:  I lost your number....
Lucy:  I work at the sheriff's office!  You could have dialed 911!

Albert:  Agent Cooper, I am thrilled to pieces that the Dharma came to King
         Hohoho, I really am, but right now I am trying hard to focus on the
         more immediate problems of our own century, right here in Twin Peaks.
Cooper:  Albert, you'd be surprised at the connections between the two.
Albert:  Color me amazed.

Bobby (to Leo):  Quit spittin', man!

Truman:  You saw a giant?
Cooper:  Yes.
Albert:  Any relation to the dwarf? 

Hawk:  Some of my best friends are white people!

Pete:  This smoke inhalation is a nasty business.  I feel like someone taped my
lips to the tailpipe of a bus!

Cooper:  Two eggs over hard.  I know, I know, it's hard on the arteries, but
old habits die hard--just about as hard as I want those eggs.

Jerry:  Marshmallows?!!  Ben, WHERE are those HICKORY STICKS?

Cooper:  Look!  Ducks!  On a lake!  Ahhh.

Pete:  Now let me get this straight... your _entire_country_ is _above_ the
_timberline_?

Jonathan:  Blood brother, next time, I take your head off.

Mike:  This is his true face, but few can see it.  The gifted--and the 
_damned._

Donna:   Romantic, isn't it?
Harold:  Interesting...it serves as a landing platform for pollinating insects.
Donna:   Romantic, isn't it?

Truman:  You know, I should take up medicine.
Cooper:  Oh?  Why's that?
Truman:  Because I'm beginning to feel a bit like... Dr. Watson.

Leland:  Just call me Fred!

Judge Sternwood:   So, Agent Cooper, how are you finding our little corner of
                   the world?
Cooper:     It's heaven, sir.
Judge S.:   Well, this week heaven includes arson, multiple homicide, and an
            attempt on the life of a Federal agent.
Cooper:     Heaven is a large and interesting place, sir!

Catherine:  I can't understand a word you're saying... you have a thing in your
mouth!

Truman:  What's going on?
Lucy: Thanks to Jade, Gerard decided not to kill himself.  And he's changed
         his will, leaving the Towers to Jade instead of Emerald.  But Emerald
         found out about it, and now she's trying to seduce Chet to give her
         the new will so that she can destroy it, and Montana's planning to
         kill Gerard at midnight so the Towers will belong to Emerald and
         Montana but I think she's going to double-cross him though he doesn't
         know it.  Poor Chet!
Truman:  What's going on _here_?

Bobby:  Doc Hayward said you needed familiar stimulants, so we figured, what
the hell, kazoos.

Cooper:  It's a good idea to leave your troubles at home when you operate a
motor vehicle, Leland.

Log Lady:  My husband was a logging man... he met the devil.  Fire is the
devil, hiding like a coward in the smoke.

Jerry:  Ben, as your attorney, your friend, and your brother, I strongly 
advise you get a better lawyer. 

Cooper:  Diane, last night I dreamed I was eating a large, tasteless gumdrop,
and awoke to discover I was chewing on one of my foam disposable earplugs.
Perhaps I should consider moderating my nighttime coffee consumption.

Catherine:  Everything here smells like fish.
Pete:       Well, you could try washing your socks separately.

Ben:         So, here in Twin Peaks, health and industry go hand-in-hand.
Translator:  Healt ut industree di go hond-e-hond.

Mike:  He is BOB!  Eager for fun!  He wears a smile.  EVERYBODY RUN.

Cooper:  Did you know Laura Palmer?
Leo:     No.
Cooper:  How well did you know her?
Leo:     I said I didn't!
Cooper (smiling):  You're lying.

Ben:   What's she want?!  I'll pay anything!  What's she _want_??!!
Pete:  You OK there, Benjy?

Jacques:  So Leo put the chip in her mouth, and say, "Bite the bullet, baby,
biiite the bullet!!"

Cooper:  In another world he might have been a seer or a shaman priest... here
he's just a shoe salesman who walks with the shadows.

Andy:  Listen to me, Lucy Moran, you just listen.  When the Tacoma Sperm Bank
was looking for donors, naturally I applied.  It's my civic duty and I like
whales.  A routine physical examination revealed that I'm sterile.  Sure I
thought it meant that I didn't have to take a bath, but the doctors told me
the truth.  They told me I can't have babies.  So what I wanna know now is why
are you having one and how?

Catherine:  Are you an ambitious man, Mr. Neff?
Mr. Neff:   One likes to think so.
Catherine:  One never knows.  There may still be a few T's left to cross.

Hawk:  I had to drink 3 pots of chamomile tea to find that out!  Which reminds
me--can I be excused, sir?

Albert:  Okay, confining my conclusions to the planet Earth....

Pierre:  Sometimes things happen just like THAT.  <snap!>

Pete:    And how do you take your coffee, Agent Cooper?
Cooper:  Black as midnight on a moonless night.
Pete:    Pret-ty black.

Cooper:  This morning, I will practice an extra twenty minutes of yogic dis-
cipline, after which the pain is banished to a cul-de-sac in a remote suburb
of my conscious mind.

Nadine:  Where are Mom and Dad?
Big Ed:  Whooooa!  They're... out of town!
Nadine:  Oh.  Okay!

Leo:  <spit>  new shoes!

Lucy:  All men in the world should be taken to a desert island and forced to
eat sand!

Nadine:  Ed!  You waiting for those drapes to hang themselves?

Cooper:  I think I saw a rabbit!
Truman:  Must've been a snowshoe rabbit.
Cooper:  Snowshoe!  Snowshoe rabbit!

Jerry:  Lord, what's become of us?

Albert:  I performed the autopsy on Jacques Renault.  Stomach contents re-
         vealed, let's see, beer cans, a Maryland license plate, half a bi-
         cycle tire, a goat, and a small wooden puppet.  Goes by the name of
         Pinocchio.
Cooper:  You're making a joke!
Albert:  I like to think of myself as one of the happy generations.

Andy:  They shot Waldo!

Log Lady:  Sometimes owls are big.

Cooper:  So... are you still seeing this... Dick?

Hawk:  One woman can make you fly like an eagle.  Another can give you the
strength of a lion.  But only one in a cycle of life can fill you with glad-
ness and the wisdom that you have known a singular joy.

Cooper:  Wanna know why I'm whittling?
Truman:  OK, I'll bite.  Why are you whittling?
Cooper:  Because that's what you do in a town where a yellow light still means
 slow down, not speed up.

Ben:  If you will permit me, Sven, to repeat what you told me this morning
after your run--"My air sacs have never felt so good!"

Log Lady:  I do not introduce the log!

Bobby:         Dad?
Major Briggs:  Yes, son?
Bobby:         What is it that you do, exactly?
Major Briggs:  That's classified.
Bobby:         Oh.

Jerry:  Look at what she gave me:   a whole leg of lamb!  You sprinkle some
garlic on that, some fresh mint, that's rotisserie heaven!

Cooper:  Sheriff, what kind of fantastic trees have you got around here?  Big,
 majestic--
Truman:  Douglas firs.
Cooper:  Douglas firs....

Jerry:  Brother Ben, we've got two ledgers and a smoked cheese pig... so which
one do we burn?  And it ain't gonna be my pig.

Cooper:  Diane, I'm holding in my hand a small box of chocolate bunnies.

Leland:  Dance with me!  Please, someone, dance with me!!

Sarah Palmer:  Don't ruin this too!

Lucy:  Sheriff, it's Pete Martell up at the mill.  Um, I'm gonna transfer it
to the phone on the table by the red chair, the red chair against the wall.
The little table, with the lamp on it--the lamp that we moved from the corner?
The BLACK phone, not the brown phone.

Cooper:  They got a cherry pie there that'll kill ya!

Gordon:  COOP, YOU REMIND ME TODAY OF A SMALL, MEXICAN CHIWOWWOW.

Albert:  You listen to _me_!  While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the
fact is I am a nay-sayer and a hatchet man in the fight against violence!  I
pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose
to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King!  My concerns are _global_.
I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation.  The foundation of
such a method... is love.  I love you, Sheriff Truman.

Pierre: She SEEMED like a nice girl.

Cooper:  You and Laura had a fight last week, is that correct?
Bobby:   So WHAT!  If I had a fight with her, if I sang songs with her, if I
         went skipping ROPE with her--WHAT difference does it make?!?  I
         DIDN'T KILL HER!
Cooper (grinning widely):  Bobby, here's how this works.  I ask the questions,
         and you answer them!  Briefly!  And to the point!

Doc Hayward:  Nurse, I really mean it.  You better speak to that kitchen.

Nadine:  I am just so happy!  <Glass shatters>  OH!!  I'm so sorry!  There
goes _another_ one!!

Andy:  I'm a WHOLE DAMN TOWN!!!

Cooper:  Man!  Smell those trees.  Smell those Douglas firs. 

Sarah Palmer:  Laura, honey, are you upstairs?

Cooper:  Harry, I really have to urinate!

James:  When'd you start smokin'?
Donna:  I smoke every once in a while.  Helps relieve tension.
James:  When'd you get so tense?
Donna:  When I started smokin'.

Ben:     Go away.  Get out, go on!  Go on!  I'm going out for a sandwich.
         <scuffle scuffle>  No!  No!  No!  You can't do this!
Cooper:  It's already done.

Nadine:  Love me?
Big Ed:  You bet.

Secretary at the Great Northern:  The Norwegians are leaving!  The _Norwegians_
are _leaving_!

Pete:  There was a fish... in... the percolator!

<Cooper reaches for one of the Log Lady's cookies and she slaps his hand:>
Log Lady:  Wait for the tea!  The fish aren't running!

Truman:  Think they spotted us?
Cooper:  Gimme a donut.

Albert (in reference to Sheriff Truman):  Look, it's trying to think.

Secretary at the Great Northern:  Audrey, look what you've done!  Audrey....
Audrey, don't go in there--Audrey!

Cooper:  Diane, I've just entered the town of Twin Peaks.  Twelve miles south
of the Canadian border, eight miles west of the state line.  I've never seen
so many trees in my life!  As W. C. Fields would say, I'd rather be here than
Philadelphia.

Jacoby:  Bobby--did you CRY?!?

Ernie:  I never stole from a church!  It was a savings & loan!

Doc Hayward:  You're not going anywhere.
Cooper:       Doc, when the will is invoked, the recuperative powers of the
              physical body are simply extraordinary.  Just give me a couple
              of hours to get dressed.

Giant:  It is happening again.  It is happening again.

Hawk:  Good thing you guys can't keep a secret!

Little Man from Another Place:  Llllet'srock!
         (ringing sound, shadow moves across the curtains)
LMFAP:   That gum you liike is goinng to kum bak in styyle.  (looks at Laura)
         Shee's mi couzin.  Butt doesn't she look--almostt exactly--like
         Lowra Powlmer?
Cooper:  But, it is Laura Palmer.  (to Laura:)  Are you Laura Palmer?
Laura:   I feeel liike I knoww her, but sumtimes mi arrms bendback.
LMFAP:   Shee's filled with segrets.  Where we're from, the birds zing a
         happy zong, and therre's always muzic intheair.

Gordon:  I BELIEVE IN SECRECY, COOP!

Truman:  You know, you are the best lawman I have ever seen.  But Coop, some-
times you think too much.

Jerry:  It's a baguette... with brie, and butter... I had six of these damn
things every day I was over there!

Truman:  Lucy, you better bring Agent Cooper up to date.
Lucy:    Leo Johnson was shot, Jacques Renault was strangled, the mill burned,
         Shelley and Pete got smoke inhalation, Catherine and Josie are
         missing, Nadine is in a coma from taking sleeping pills.
Cooper:  How long have I been out?

Chief Icelander:  Ben, I am so happy, I can't even tell you how much.

Lucy:  Agent Cooper, I've got a call for you from a Mr. Albert Rosenfeld,
sounds like long distance.  It has that open air sound, you know, where it
sounds like wind blowing... like wind blowing through trees....

Log Lady:  We don't know what will happen, or when.  But there are owls at
           the Roadhouse.
Cooper:    The Roadhouse.  Something is happening, isn't it, Margaret?
Log Lady:  Yes.

Albert:  I've got compassion running out of my nose, pal--I'm the sultan of
sentiment!

Ed:  Nadine, don't you give up.  We'll just have to keep looking until we find
a patent attorney who understands drape runners.

Cooper:  Sheriff, we got a lot to talk about.

Jerry:  I'm in love... her name is Heppa... she's a giant snow queen with a
smile like a sunrise on an ice floe--you could go blind just _looking_ at this
girl!

Cooper:  There's a large group of insane men staying on my floor.

Mrs. Tremond:   I requested no creamed corn.  Do you see creamed corn on this
plate?

Pete:  Catherine????  You look terrible!  Just... terrible!!  Just TERRIBLE!!!

Ben:  Now let's get in there and get those cheese-eaters where they live.

Cooper:    What did your log see?
Log Lady:  Tea first.  Then be ready.

Judge Sternwood:  The woods are wondrous here, but strange.

Cooper:  Diane, it struck me again earlier this morning:  there are two things
that continue to trouble me, and I am speaking now not only as an agent of
the Bureau but also as a human being.  What really went on between Marilyn
Monroe and the Kennedys, and who really pulled the trigger on JFK?

Nadine:  I am so happy, Eddie, I could just kiss you to death!
Big Ed:  Oh, boy, Nadine.

Albert:  Mr. Horne, I recognize that your position in this fair community
pretty much necessitates venality, insincerity, and a certain irritating
manner of expressing yourself.  Stupidity, however, is not a necessarily
inherent trait.  Therefore, please listen closely--You can have a funeral any
old time.  You dig a hole, you plant a coffin.  I, however, cannot perform
these tests next year, next month, next week or even tomorrow--I must perform
them now.  <drill noise--VEEP VEEP!>  I've got a lot of cutting and pasting to
do, gentlemen, so please return to your porch rockers and resume whittling!
(Puts drill to Laura's forehead and starts drilling....)

Jerry:  Is this real, Ben?  Or just some strange and twisted dream?

Gordon:  WE'VE GOT A DIFFERENT PROBLEM HERE, COOP.  TWO PLUS TWO DOES NOT 
ALWAYS EQUAL FOUR!

Log Lady:  Shut your eyes and you'll burst into flames.
Truman:    Thanks, Margaret.

Cooper:  Twenty-four hour room service must be one of the premier achievements
of modern civilization.

James:  Would you like to play with fire, little boy?  Would you like to play
with BOB?  Would you like to play with _BOB_?

Pie-Eating Man:  Hot DAMN, that's good pie!

Albert:  Sounds like you've been snacking on some of the local mushrooms.

Pierre Tremond:  J'ai une ame solitaire.  -->  I have a solitary soul.

Bobby:  Good thing we didn't light the candles!

Cooper:  Who's the lady with the log?
Truman:  Oh, we call her the Log Lady.

Cooper:  Can I ask her about her log?
Truman:  Many have.

Ben:  Temporary insanity, Leland?  Hopefully, some of these people will be on
your jury.  You will be home free.

Cooper:  Harry, I'm gonna let you in on a little secret.  Every day, once a
day, give yourself a present.  Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just... let
it happen.  Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office
chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee.

Log Lady:  We don't know where it will happen, or when.  But there are owls
           at the Roadhouse.
Cooper:    The Roadhouse.  Something is happening, isn't it, Margaret?
Log Lady:  Yes.

Cooper:  Harry, the last thing I want you to worry about while I'm here is some
city slicker I brought into your town relieving himself upstream.

Leland:  Sing hallelujah, c'mon, get happy--c'mon & chase all your blues away!

Albert:  Has anyone seen BOB on earth in the past few weeks?

Truman:  You must have the metabolism of a bumblebee!

Mike:  In the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.  One chants
       out between two worlds, FIRE, WALK WITH ME.  We lived among the people.
       I think you say...convenience store.  We lived above it.  I mean it
       like it is, and it _sounds_!  I too was touched by the devilish one--
       tattoo on the left shoulder.  Ah, but when I saw the face of God, I was
       changed.  Took the entire arm off.  My name is Mike... _his_ name is
       BOB.
BOB:   Mike?  Mike?  Can you hear me?  Catch you, with my death bag!
       You may think I've gone insane, but I promise, _I_will_kill_again_!

Leland:  He would say, "Would you like to play with fire, little boy?"
         <flicks burning match at Cooper, Cooper picks it up and looks at it>
Cooper:  That's our man.  <Poof!>

Senor Droolcup:  How ya doin' down there?

Giant:   I will tell you three things.  If I tell them to you, and they come
         true, then will you believe me?
Cooper:  Who's that?
Giant:   Think of me as a friend.
Cooper:  Where do you come from?
Giant:   The question is, where have you gone?  The first thing I will tell
         you is:  there is a man in a smiling bag.
Cooper:  Man in a smiling bag.
Giant:   The second thing is:  the owls are not what they seem.  The third
         thing is:  without chemicals, he points.
Cooper:  What do these things mean?
Giant:   This is all I'm permitted to say.  Give me your ring.  I will return
         it to you when you find these things to be true.  We want to help you.
Cooper:  Who's "we"?
Giant:   One last thing:  Leo locked inside a hungry horse.  There is a clue at
         Leo's house.  You will require medical attention.

Cooper:  At a time like this, curiously, you begin to think of the things you
regret, or the things you might miss.  I would like in general to treat people
with much more care and respect.  I would like to climb a tall hill, but not
too tall, sit in the cool grass, but not too cool, and feel the sun on my face.
I wish I could have cracked the Lindbergh kidnapping case.  I would very much
like to make love to a beautiful woman who I had a genuine affection for.  And
of course it goes without saying that I would like to visit Tibet.  I wish that
the Tibetan government would allow the Dalai Lama to return.  Oh, I would like
that very much.

Giant:   Sorry to wake you.
Cooper:  I'm not dreaming.
Giant:   I forgot to tell you something.
Cooper:  You were right about the smiling bag.
Giant:   The things I tell you will not be wrong.   Better to listen than
         to talk.
Cooper:  I believe you.
Giant:   Don't search for all the answers at once.  A path is formed by
         laying one stone at a time.  One person saw the third man.  Three
         have seen him, yes, but not his body.  One only, known to you, ready
         now to talk.  One more thing:  you forgot something.
Cooper:  What?
Giant:   <Flash!>

Albert (after Andy boards himself):  And it's another great moment in law
enforcement history.

Cooper:  This must be where pies go when they die.

Truman:  Anything we should be working on?
Albert:  Yeah, try not dragging your knuckles on the ground when you walk!

Jerry:  Next stop:   Rocket Science!!!!

Cooper:  Can I ask her about her log?
Truman:  Many have.

Albert:  I know, Andy, I know.  It's what we call a three-hanky crime.

Pete:  She's dead... wrapped in plastic!

Cooper:  DAMN good coffee, and HOT!

Albert:  Oh yeah?  Well, I've had about enough of morons and halfwits, dolts,
dunces, dullards and dumbbells--and you <ignorant?> yokel, you blithering
hayseed, you--you've had enough of me?

Cooper:  Short stack of griddle cakes, maple syrup slightly heated, melted
butter, slice of ham... nothing beats the taste sensation when maple syrup
<CLAP> collides with ham.

Log Lady:  Come then!  My log does not judge!

Judge Sternwood:  Life is hard, dear.  Still, it's harder in most places than
in Twin Peaks.

Cooper:  Diane, it's 11:55 pm, approximately 19 hours since the shooting
incident which nearly caused me to make a premature purchase of the proverbial
farm.

Log Lady:      You wear shiny objects on your chest.
Major Briggs:  Yes, I do.
Log Lady:      Are you proud?
Major Briggs:  No, achievement is its own reward.  Pride obscures it.  Cream?

Cooper:  Where does BOB come from?
Mike:    That cannot be revealed.

Cooper:  And as we all know from experiments conducted during the Korean War,
Diane, sleep deprivation is a one-way ticket to temporary psychosis.

Leland:  Mares eat oats, and does eat oats, and little lambs eat ivy... a
kid'll eat ivy too, wouldn't you?

Cooper:  So Harry, how long you been seeing her?
Truman:  (awestruck) How did you know?
Cooper:  Body language.
Truman:  Geez louise!

Giant:  The owls are not what they seem.

Cooper:  Harry, my dream is a code waiting to be broken.  Break the code, solve
         the crime.
Lucy:  (taking notes) Break the... code, solve the... crime.

Bobby:  Bills?  Forget about bills.  I'm talking about a new way of life.

BOB:  Leland says you're going back to MISSOULA, MONTANAAA!!!  <CRASH!!!!>

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  The only reason I don't kill my wife is that I NEED HER FOR AN ALIBI AND BOY
DOES SHE MAKE a good ALIBI! Donna's definitely next on my list. WELL, NICE CHAT
TING WITH YOU TIME FOR MY GOLF GAME WITH MY NEW CLUBS!!!!!!!!
 
 
                                     most sincerly,
                                        LELAND/bob

It really looks like Leland/BOB want's to get caught.  He's spread out
so much stuff it's amazing.

First, he tells Donna and James that he took Maddie to the bus
station.  Given the body is found about 24 hours after the murder, it
should be possible to prove that Maddie was dead by the time he'd made
that statement.

Second, he goes out of his way to draw attention to himself on the
road.  When spotting Cooper and Truman, he almost literally asks Cooper
to take a look in the golf bag.  When Cooper is distracted, he appears
to be disappointed!

Third, as Cooper walked away he began waving the club in a very
different fashion.  Earlier he held it at balance points like a baton.
When Cooper turned his back he took a solid grip and handled it like,
well, a club.  His continued (or repeated) look of disappointment might
have been disappointment that he didn't club Cooper -- but with Harry
right there, that would've meant discovery of Maddies body.

Fourth, he isn't exactly subtle about his reaction to Ben Horne being
booked.  After about 30 seconds of concealment, he's back to the Home
of Happy Feet.

Leland/BOB *wants* to be caught.  But why?
-- "When your neighbour loses his job, it's a slowdown; when you lose your own job, it's a recession; when an economist loses his job it's a depression." -- "Six Ways To Define A Recession", The Economist, Nov. 3 1990.

hikaru%halcyon.uucp@seattleu.edu writes:

> >coufal@piglet.caltech.edu (David Ernest Coufal) writes:

>> >> In message <3314@jaytee.East.Sun.COM> bdowning@otc.East.Sun.COM (Bill Downing

>>> >> >Any truth to the rumor that TP will be pre-empted 11-24-90 by the Notre Dame
>>> >> >tball game??

>> >> I called ABC here in Los Angeles, and they said that Twin Peaks WILL be
>> >> preempted on November 24. They will be showing a movie instead.
>> >> I assume the same thing will be happening all over the country.

> >So we just don't get to see that episode? Or will it be shown at a later 
> >date? (presumably during reruns)

Our local station had a blurb saying 'next episode in two weeks'.  I'd
presume that means there will be no broadcast anywhere next week.  So
we won't miss an episode.

We'll just go crazy instead.
-- "When your neighbour loses his job, it's a slowdown; when you lose your own job, it's a recession; when an economist loses his job it's a depression." -- "Six Ways To Define A Recession", The Economist, Nov. 3 1990.

jal@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu writes:
> >             David Lynch is really Thomas Pynchon.  They both have been      
> >      linked to the Pacific Northwest (Seattle) and seem to have the same
> >      interests in conspiracies and popular culture.  My theory is that
> >      Pynchon got tired of doing purely literary work and wanted to do 
> >      something visual. Now since film-making is a collaborative art and
> >      he wanted to keep his Pynchon anonymity, he just developed the
> >      Lynch character (who would fit nicely in a Pynchon novel).  Maybe
> >      this is all performance art.  Now I'm sure someone can prove me
> >      wrong in a zillion ways, but just think about it ...

I'm sorry... That's just TOO weird to be wrong.  Question is, how does
this all fit in with Buckaroo Banzai?  Are we going to see an
appearance of Yoyodyne Propultion Industries in Twin Peaks?

Dan

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steve@hanauma.Stanford.EDU (Steve Cole) writes:

> > I like the idea of Twin Peaks spin-offs. Here are summaries
> > for episodes of some shows I would like to see:

How about this:

"The Days and Nights Of Diane"
 
Meet Diane, the lonely, secluded secretary who's only link to the outside 
world is transcribing the dictation cassettes sent to her by her 
eccentric boss, Dale Cooper. Her goal is to one day actually meet this 
man.

:)

Meaningless quote for the day:
       "People who live in gasoline houses shouldn't throw matches."

Richard Barrett

allison@oxy.edu (David Bruce Allison) writes:

> > There are two points to the BOB/Leland connection i'd like to point out.
> > 
> >    1.  How did BOB attack Ronette in the hospital if he had to do it while
> >        possessing Leland?  Judging from Sarah condition at the end of 11/10

How do we know that BOB attacked her in the hospital? That letter 
underneath her fingernail could have been put there at the same time that 
Laura's was - in the traincar. 

Meaningless quote for the day:
       "People who live in gasoline houses shouldn't throw matches."

Richard Barrett

collier@hpsmpk.HP.COM (Mark Collier) writes:

> > / brinkman@si194b.llnl.gov /  1:16 pm  Nov 12, 1990 /
> > 
>> > > As a brief aside, it is interesting to note that Maddy's visions foretold h
>> > > own death:
>> > > 
>> > > 1) Maddy "saw" Bob attacking her and
>> > > 
>> > > 2) Maddy saw a blood stain on the living room carpet of the Palmer house in
>> > > the same place that she was lying at the end of 11/10.
> > 
> > Would someone please remind which episode it was in which Maddy saw this
> > bloodstain? I've been paying close attention to Twin Peaks, really I have,
> > but I just can't seem to remember this event, even though nearly everyone
> > else seems to remember it.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Mark Collier


This "bloodstain" (we really don't know what it was) was seen in the 
season premiere. Maddy is talking to Sarah Palmer, says she had a dream 
about the carpet, then looks down, and sees this red stain move across 
the carpet, and begins to scream.

Meaningless quote for the day:
       "People who live in gasoline houses shouldn't throw matches."

Richard Barrett

You have been warned...

^L

Last chance...
^L

So it is Leland, as is confirmed here. Ben was with Catherine that night, 
and Leland tries very hard to suppress evil laughter at the news that Ben 
has been arrested for the crime. 

But what was this "solid evidence" against Ben? The diary, yes. Sort of - 
it's circumstantial. The blood test would be hard evidence, but we 
haven't heard the results of that yet.

Favorite quote comes from Gwen, Lucy's sister:
"I looked down at him, and thought, `Just what the world needs. Antoher 
potential sperm gun running around.'"

Meaningless quote for the day:
       "People who live in gasoline houses shouldn't throw matches."

Richard Barrett

I was a bit disappointed in Cooper.  He's in his room, knock at
the door, this time he picks up his gun and answers the door.
No vest, standing directly in front of it.  Seems like he needs to
exercise a bit of due caution.  I guess he is a bit preoccupied.

Was the domino business ever resolved?

We know that Hank send Josie a picture of a domino from prison (one with 3
spots on each end) Plus he was holding the domino in his hand when he called
her.

On last nights episode (11/17) did any one else notice that when Norma, Hank,
Vivian, and Ernie went out to dinner Hank was wearing a bollo tie with a domino
on it? (one with 4 spots on each end)

-Seth (sgoldstein@eagle.wesleyan.edu)

 
  I got a few new pictures from last night's episode.  There weren't as 
many visually striking scenes this time around but these are the new
ones:
these are in the directory
/pub/twin-peaks/11-17-90 at the ftp site freebie.engin.umich.edu
      (sorry.. i don't have a numerical address... i'm looking though..)
                                          
BOB2.gif            maddy.gif
cooper-diane.gif    jerry.gif           normas_parents.gif
diane.gif           lynch-frost.gif

i converted all of these by hand, so there is no more green band at 
the top, and the colors are much better...

i'm going to go back through some of the old ones, and redo a few
of those as well.. i'll probably do that mon or tues, so keep your
eyes open for them.  

Be sure to read the README file... i have updated it.


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Last night's episode (11/17) was pretty interesting. Gerrard
(One-Armed  Man) said that Bob had been close to Ben Horne, but he did
not say that Bob is Horne. I wonder why Gerrard (or Mike, rather)
started acting the way in which he did in last week's episode when
Horne walked into the room. Because Leland Palmer is Horne's lawyer? I don't
think so. Also, aside from what Laura wrote about Horne in her diary
and the way that Mike acted around Horne in last week's episode, there
is no real evidence that Horne killed Laura (unless I've forgotten
something, which is very possible). If Sheriff Truman arrested Horne
mainly because of Mike's actions, then he would have to now let Horne go
since Mike says that Bob isn't Horne.
Agent Cooper seems to suspect that something is wrong with
Leland, and that Bob isn't Horne, but it doesn't seem as if he's
realized consciously that Bob is Leland (subconsciously may be a different
matter, however). What could Bob/Leland have been thinking when he
practically showed Cooper Maddy's corpse? Any thoughts on this?
I'm new to this Twin Peaks net, so I've only gotten around to
reading a few of the messages, but some that I read dealt with
references to the Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxyby Doug Adams on Twin Peaks. 
First I'd like to say to all D. Adams fans: Hello! Glad to see that
there are other Adams fans watching T.P. (By the way, is there a Doug
Adams fan net? I may have overlooked it, but if there isn't one
somebody should start one.) In one message somebody wrote that the
Bang Bang Bar (also known as the Roadhouse, I think) may actually be a
reference to the Big Bang Burger Bar mentioned in The Restaurant at
The End of The Universe. I am rather skeptical of this, but as most
people will agree, with Twin Peaks anything is possible. Wouldn't it
be great if the T.P. creators are D. Adams fans?
Besides these possible references to Hitchiker's Guide, there
are many references to certain works of literature. For instance, in
the penultimate episode of last season N. Hawthorne's THE SCARLET
LETTER was mentioned. There are certain ideas in that novel which bear
a striking resemblence to ideas in this show. For instance, the
Puritan belief that a great evil inhabits the woods is similar to what
Truman said in one of last season's episodes.

Send Comments,
Diego Hadis

hadis@pilot.njin.net
hadis@apollo.montclair.edu

Did anyone else notice this? When the one-armed man was freaking
out in the hotel, we see ben entering, cooper looking up and saying
something to andy, then the camera pulls back and we see a
policeman leading a WHITE-haired man! Was that Leland? If so, it
could explain alot.

Here's a crazy theory: Cooper is an alcoholic. Why? It would make for
some interesting plot twists and liven up his past. But I first thought
this when I saw his reaction to the drink the judge gave him. Take
a look: he almost seems afraid of it. And, unlike the others, he never
actually drinks it....

Finally, I saw Julee Cruise at Symphony Space in NYC last Thursday.
(Too bad she couldn't play at a place called The Roadhouse!) She
had a five-member band with her and they played just about all
of the music from Twin Peaks, including the pieces she doesn't
sing on. I thought it was very well done, with great acoustics
and a terrific light show, slowly fading, suddenly blinding the 
audience, etc. Julee kept coming out in different colored dresses
and she reminded me of the singing woman in Eraserhead. Who was
that, anyway?

There were a couple of TP references, but nothing earth-shattering. 
The best for me was the guy who set up the microphone right 
before she came on. He looked A LOT like the giant! I don't think
very many other people saw this. Maybe I was the only one.

Uh oh.

Well, we now more or less know that ben has never been host to
BOB.  Seeing Leland as BOB all the time is very spooky.  I wonder
if this means he has been in control all the time since Lauras death?
I tend to think not.  Its amazing how your perceptions of a character 
can change in only an episode or two.
 
It also seems clear that BOB can't jump hosts very easily if at all.  Laura
may have been his only other host.  

Maddy is Dead.  I figured this out about half way through the week, and 
I was unfortunetly not proven wrong.  Did I imagine it or was her arm still
flesh colored when Donna and James stoped by and leland looked in the bag?

On the subject of Donna and James, they'd better watch out.  I suspect BOB
may be paying them a visit soon.  I also suspect that Donna is playing host
to Lauras spirit, much like the OAM,Leland, and possibly Senior Drool Cup Host
their on spirits.  I base this on Sara Palmers seeing Lauras face superimposed 
on Donnas face.  Also, I think Laura sensed what was happening to Maddy, and 
this upset Donna.  No theories as to why Bobby seemed to be affected as well.  
Could be two different causes.

Which brings me to the owls.  I think that the owls are people that host other
spirits.  Leland, OAM, and possibly Senior Drool cup and Donna.  The log lady
is not strictly speaking an owl, as her log plays host for whatever spirit
she speaks with. (Probably her dead husband.)

I sure hope they lighten things up a bit.  I'm not sure how much more of the
current mood I can take.  Not that twin peaks has ever been a happy place 
of course.





different things.

1) Nobody's yet mentioned it: How the hell did Hank escape Jean Renault?
   Did he make some horrible deal with the most evil character not in
   jail or known to be possessed? What did the DA's ID have to do with it?

2) Mike either DID something in his fight against BOB or will be thought
   by the police to have done something nasty. The escape and recapture-
   near-the-falls (near maddy's body) ought to have some future 
   significance. Then again, maybe not.

3) Someone should give the Log Lady a few good hard shakes and make
   her say exactly what she thought was going to happen at the roadhouse.

4) The thing I find truly unsettling is Pete's willingness to conspire 
   with Catherine. Sure he loves her in spite of her devilishness,
   and sure he hates Ben, but he's sunk awfully low to be playing a 
   cassette to Ben in which she details how she cuckolded him on the 
   night Laura P. bit it, all the while cackling "she's a caution".

In article <8296@gollum.twg.com> lefty@twg.com ("Lefty") writes:
> >In article <27234@cs.yale.edu> long-morrow@CS.YALE.EDU (H. Morrow Long) 
> >writes:
>> >> I have heard that TP starts earlier than 10PM in Mountain and Pacific time
>> >> zones, is that true?
> >
> >Nope.
> >
> >10 pm out here on the Left Coast.

some of the mail I rec'vd indicates that some in the Central time zone
see TP @ 9p.

I guess that those on the west coast shouldn't read a.t.t-p in the hours 
just before 10p[sd]t to avoid spoilers.

- Morrow

-- H. Morrow Long Manager of Development Yale Univ. Comp Sci Dept. Computing Facility

In a 18-Nov-90 message, 
of ID <1990Nov18.153404.9298@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> 
written by svihla@evax0.eng.fsu.edu (C. Kurt Svihla)


> >saying.  What's the camera technique used to create the blurring effect
> >in the flashlight dance?


i am not a photographer nor am i a photo-anything(i own a kodak
Ektralite so that should say it all...), but couldn't the effect be
accomplished by simply holding the shutter open for a little bit longer
than usual, giving you that streaky smudging appearance.  BTW, i thought
that, alone, the scene was very erotic(for little kids at least, even if
those kids *were* ben and jerry), but within the context of the show,
WHAT THE F---!?!


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Christopher Culver =======>cc4c@andrew.cmu.edu
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh PA

on 18-Nov-90 C. Kurt Svihla writes in article 
<1990Nov18.141719.8605@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>  :

> > I'll miss seeing Sheryl Lee in the show
> >although her performance in this episode struck me as stiff and lifeless.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA



dja, dja, dat vas goot yoke......harharharharhar

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Christopher Culver =======>cc4c@andrew.cmu.edu
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh PA

  Recently many people have been talking on this group about when and
how often Bob is Leland and vice versa.  I dunno, but it seems to me
that BOB is in full control ALL of the time, at least in that *very
disappointing* 11/17 episode[   >:-(   ].  Also, what the hell was
Bob/Leland doing with that little trunk scene? Did he plan to plan to
actually show Coop  the body, or does he just like to flirt with
disaster?  Also, i'm glad i'm not the only one who caught this, but do
any of y'all think he would actually have teed off on Coop's head?

One other thing.  i haven't been reading this newsgroup for a while, so
i don't know if there have been any posts on it, but i nearly cried i
was laughing so hard when andy "discovered" Leo's hidden booty by using
his head.  The image of him doing the witch doctor ritual  /peacock
mating dance was indescribable in its laughter potential. 




woweee woweee wowee, this is getting weird.

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Christopher Culver =======>cc4c@andrew.cmu.edu
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh PA

> > From: rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (Richard L. Carreiro)
> > 
> > 2) Sorry, Ben-people.  Our favorite business man is innocent of WKLP.
> >    He was with Catherine the night Laura was killed - a fact that Cat
> >    and Pete are gonna use to their advantage...

Based on Sarah Palmer's obliviousness to the events of the previous
evening, Catherine and Ben thinking they were together that night
means nothing.

> > 3) BOB seems to be firmly entrenched in Leland right now.

There was one very subtle, very nice touch. When Leland is straigtening
his tie, this look of confusion crosses his face for a couple of seconds.
Like Leland is inside, wondering what's going on.

> > 7) Well, Coop had damn well better realize that it's Leland.  I think
> >    he was thinking it, and with Ben having a rock-solid alibi for
> >    Maddy's death, Coop should make the connection now.

The opera ain't over until the fat lady sings, and the fat lady (in the form
of Dr. Hayward) has most definitely not sung yet. I'll tell you what:  I
think we can agree that whoever's blood was on the "fire, walk with me" note
was Bob's host that night. If it turns out not to match Ben's blood, I'll
donate $10 in your name to the charity of your choice. If it turns out to
match Ben, you donate $50 in my name to the charity of my choice. That's 5:1
odds, you should be willing to offer better if you're so sure that Ben is
innocent. Deal, Richard?

> > 8) I see Sarah Palmer was chipper.  *NO* spinal injuries or apparently
> >    any injuries at all.  Question:  Is she protecting Leland/BOB?
> >    Or does she really not know what happened to Maddy?  In any case,
> >    I think she was psychically attacked/overcome last week.

I think she really doesn't remember. Making Catherine as alibi for Ben
worthless (from our point of view).

> > From: ronnie@eddie.mit.edu (Ron Schnell)
> >
Subject: 11/17, James & Donna are gonners
> > 
> > Why did Leland tell James & Donna that he saw Maddy off?  They can
> > pretty much finger him as the killer now.  Before the preview came
> > on I thought that Leland was finished because of this...but it looks
> > like Leland might ice them too.

While estimating time of death is an imprecise art, this is clearly a lie
Leland is going to get caught in. And while seeming to implicate Ben
(firmly in jail during Maddy's murder), he's revealed his knowledge of
the existance of the secret diary. OK, all you Leland-did-its, after
40 years of hanging around in Leland, why this sudden disregard for
his host's continued viability? What is Bob's motive for his sudden,
devil-may-care attitude to Leland?

Karl Kluge (kck@g.cs.cmu.edu)

In article <21710@well.sf.ca.us> emmanuel@well.sf.ca.us (Emmanuel Goldstein) writes:

> >Did anyone else notice this? When the one-armed man was freaking
> >out in the hotel, we see ben entering, cooper looking up and saying
> >something to andy, then the camera pulls back and we see a
> >policeman leading a WHITE-haired man! Was that Leland? If so, it
> >could explain alot.
 Sorry, no dice.  I saw it to and went back and checked.  The man
being escorted is definately *not* Leland.  The man is much older.

> >Here's a crazy theory: Cooper is an alcoholic. Why? It would make for
> >some interesting plot twists and liven up his past. But I first thought
> >this when I saw his reaction to the drink the judge gave him. Take
> >a look: he almost seems afraid of it. And, unlike the others, he never
> >actually drinks it....
 Again, no dice.  If you look carefully at the Roadhouse scene, when
the Giant takes center stage, Coopers beer is half finished.  I also
thought that Cooper was a tea-totaler, but the beer seems to burst
theory.  (Unless the Log Lady is a double fisted suds chugger.)

> >Uh oh.

Indeed.

In article <16466@csli.Stanford.EDU> alper@csli.Stanford.EDU (Ted Alper) writes:
> >3) Someone should give the Log Lady a few good hard shakes and make
> >   her say exactly what she thought was going to happen at the roadhouse.

SHAKE the LOG LADY?!!  Shake the woman who slapped Cooper's hand?  What
are you THINKING??

> >4) The thing I find truly unsettling is Pete's willingness to conspire 
> >   with Catherine. Sure he loves her in spite of her devilishness,
> >   and sure he hates Ben, but he's sunk awfully low to be playing a 
> >   cassette to Ben in which she details how she cuckolded him on the 
> >   night Laura P. bit it, all the while cackling "she's a caution".

Well, Pete's a pretty weird bird himself, and he hasn't exactly been
affectionate towards Catherine (nor Catherine towards him) in any of their
bedroom scenes so far.  Seems to me he has a weird love/hate relationship
with her, and a REAL NASTY sense of humor--which is what fueled him in that
scene with Ben.


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O.k., now follow this closely. 

First, TWIN PEAKS is just chock full of Shakespearean references. The
transformation of Catherine from cast iron bitch to loving wife is a
reference to THE TAMING OF THE SHREW. Leland's killing Jacques by mistake,
thinking he killed Laura, is a reference to Hamlet's error in killing
Polonius while he listens behind the curtain. Mike corresponds to Prospero,
and Bob to Calliban. Notice also the identical twin motif from THE COMEDY OF
ERRORS.

If you watch the train sequence real close frame by frame, you can see that
Bob is *pouring poison* into Laura Palmer's ear. While he's doing this he
mutters something that sound like "I have a lonely flounder" in French --
but get this -- play it backwards at half speed and invert all the speech
frequencies, and you can clearly hear (with a little effort) "Paul was the
walrus.  Turkey pluckers, turkey pluckers. Will didn't write them."

Now, look at the letters. T, R, B, O. No E in the sequence. T stands
for TITUS ANDRONICUS, R for ROMEO AND JULIET, and O for OTHELLO. 
There is no play attributed to Shakepeare that begins with an E, hence
the lack of an E. Aha, I hear you say -- there's no Shakespeare play that
begins with a B -- THAT'S RIGHT -- THE "B" STANDS FOR BACON!!!!

Another clue -- the name Ben Horne. Ben Johnson gave us the vital clue that
Shakespeare knew "little Latin and less Greek", most odd for an author who
borrows so freely from Classical sources. Horne stands for the way William
Shakespeare "horned" in on the credit for writing the plays. 

By this hypothesis, BOB (Bacon, Old Bean) possessing Leland stands for the
motivation of a charecter by the author. Maddy isn't really dead, Leland has
simply reenacted the murder to try and catch the real killer, as in the
play-within-the-play in HAMLET. 

Whew, glad I finally figured that out.

> >"Tweaking the Peaks"
> >by Andrew Goodwin

[ most of high-quality piece deleted -- I think SPY once ripped into
reviews in the form of all-questions, which *is* pretty silly once you
start paying attention to it ]

> >Have you noticed that the "Invitation to Love" soap-within-a-soap 
> >that appeared during the first season has now gone? Isn't this 
> >significant? Doesn't its disappearance signify the transformation of 
> >Twin Peaks from a show _about_ soap opera into something more 
> >interesting -- a soap opera? Hasn't the clever-clever Twin Peaks 
> >been slowly corrupted by its form, the _serial_? Is this perhaps not 
> >so much David Lynch's triumph over television, but television's 
> >triumph over Lynch?

Not necessarily.  I gave this some thought, as I'm sure others have.  It
seems to me that INVITATION TO LOVE was a narrative device L&F felt was
needed to offset what was essentially a one-track plot progression in
the first season, i.e., who-killed-Laura.  Its implementation was pretty
absurd -- seemingly always on the air, jokily mirroring the main PEAKS
action -- and it added to the surreal, satirical tone of the series.
But it has been clear for some time that L&F are not interested in
creating a new FERNWOOD 2NITE here: they intend us to take some things
fairly seriously.  (As Goodwin points out, they may intend some of us to
pop a mild sedative before key episodes!)

I think ITL went away because with the advent of the second season and
the development of what will hopefully become interesting and self
sustaining secondary plotlines, it was superfluous and potentially
misleading.  I miss it occasionally, but if it were still appearing
every week I'd probably be tired of it by now.

-- "It has come to my attention that there is more !!! Tom Neff than one Jeffrey Miller." -- Jeffrey Miller ! ! tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM

The incident between Leland and Coop and the Golf bag does seem to indicate 
that Leland 'secretly' wanted to be caught.  But let us take a slightly
broader view of the scene, and Lelands actions.

The whole reason Leland was stopped was because he was weaving all over the
road. Beyond conspicuous, just begging to be noticed, stopped, pulled over
by the police. Why?

I think that Leland is ( always has been ?? hmm?? ) fighting BOB. I think
Leland knows alot more about whats going on then we think, but BOB is 
keeping him in line.  Is Lelands abundant strange behaviour a symtom of the
struggle, is Leland trying to tell us ( the people around him ) what is 
happening? Are there clues in the singing and dancing? Does anyone have the
complete list of songs he's sung or danced to? 

The Wizard of AHs

scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:

> >It really looks like Leland/BOB want's to get caught.  He's spread out
> >so much stuff it's amazing.

> >First, he tells Donna and James that he took Maddie to the bus
> >station.  Given the body is found about 24 hours after the murder, it
> >should be possible to prove that Maddie was dead by the time he'd made
> >that statement.

Not only that, but that comment should lead a trail to Leland. The routine
parts of the investigation will be putting together the few hours before
Maddy's death. Talking to friends and relatives will bring out the story that
she was put on the bus to Masoula (sp?) by Leland. When they contact the driver and passengers of the bus to trace what happened to Maddy after that, the
police will find that nobody saw her, which will conflict with Leland's
story making him the prime suspect.

After Leland is identified as prime suspect, the police analysts should scour
the Palmer household and will find blood everywhere. Even if Leland spent a
week cleaning the place, he would not be able to get rid of traces of the blood
on the carpet, on his clothes and the glass fragments from the smashed picture.

All this depends on a policeman putting in a few hours routine work, so I
suppose that Leland is safe for now. It looks like Coop is going to
investigate the dream angle and Zen Buddhism, Truman is too busy charging
poeple he doesn't like for things they didn't committ (boy would he be in
trouble in real life) and Andy is still discovering the facts of life (like
babys take 9 months to develop, they don't whiz out in a couple of days).

The police in Twin Peaks are not what they seem.

Steve Austin

In article <1990Nov18.021616.29991@world.std.com> unicorn@world.std.com (Arthur P Hamlin) writes:

> >Remember when Maddy had a vision of BOB coming after her in the
> >living room? Well, you'd have to check the tapes, but what she saw looked 
> >alot like exactly what *did* happen to her when BOB was chasing her.
> >
> >This brings up the vision of Mrs Palmer. I don't see any similarities
> >in her vison to what happened, but we don't know if she's dead or delerious,
> >and if BOB did attack her, we didn't see it.

Sarah's vision of BOB might not have happened yet --  in other words, what
she saw (BOB crouching behind the bed, right?), in my opinion, will happen
in reality in a future episode.  Perhaps she will be another victim?

Dave

In article <1990Nov18.204608.26456@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, krol@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Ed
Krol) says:
> >
> >I was a bit disappointed in Cooper.  He's in his room, knock at
> >the door, this time he picks up his gun and answers the door.
> >No vest, standing directly in front of it.  Seems like he needs to
> >exercise a bit of due caution.  I guess he is a bit preoccupied.
 
    I thought he was being very cautious, even nervous when he went
    over to open that door. I had never seen him open the door with
    a loaded gun in his hand for one thing.
 
              DMK

 * When Gerard awoke, didn't you love the wiggling stump?  CREEPY!

 * Ray Wise's facial expressions in the GN lobby (as Cooper asked him to
let them know if he remembered anything) were a stone knockoff of
Nicholson's Joker!  Very funny Ray.

 * If Nissan buys ad time, will they run the Sentra commercial where the
guy stuck in a traffic jam fantasizes about "owning the road" and all
the signs read "BOB'S EXPRESSWAY," "GO BOB," "YIELD TO BOB" etc?  :-)

-- "Just the fax, ma'am." o..oo Tom Neff -- John McClane .oo.. tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM

First, a couple of quick replies to others' observations:

1.  Louise Dombrowski (the flashlight dancer) was played by Emily Fincher, 
*not* Sherilyn Fenn.  It was in the closing credits.  Besides, she was too
tall and skinny.  (Sorry, Bri)

2.  There was no direct credit given for Lucy's sister.  I don't think it
was Sheryl Lee, tho.  There were two women listed as guest stars that I
didn't recognize, Kathleen Wilhoite and Jane Greer.  I'm guessing that one
played Norma's mom and the other was Lucy's sister.

3.  I've been wrong before.

Now, on to other stuff.

1.  Jerry's still one of my favorite characters.  Even though the flashlight
dancing went too long, that whole segment humanized Jerry a bit.  ("Lord,
what's become of us?") I agree with others who've said that he's the brains
behind the Hornes...even if he was last in his law school class.  Is it just
me, or does he look a lot like a squirelly version of Dennis Hopper?

2.  Lucy's sister has *got* to be related to Andy somehow.  "...they thought
it was my bladder, so they checked me for an infection...I hadn't been
*near* a rusty nail."

3.  Leland's damn spooky.  Big news, I know, but they I just don't see how
they can keep this storyline going much longer.  The gaffe about dropping
Maddy off at the bus station should give him away.  Even Doc Hayward should
be able to figure that Maddy died the night before.

4.  When Mike clubbed the cop, I jumped about 5 feet.  I should've seen that
coming, but then, so should the cop.  BTW, I checked last week's tape, and I
couldn't see Leland anywhere around when Mike freaked out.  Maybe he was
upstairs?  Maybe Ben had been close to Leland/BOB earlier.  I mean, Mike 
could sense that Ben had been near BOB when Mike saw him in the cell this
week...

5.  Who was surprised that Pete loved Josie?  Not many, I'd guess.  But if
he's  gonna blackmail Ben, he's gonna have to get in line.

6.  Why the hell can't Cooper see Leland as BOB?   In the scene with the
golf club, the show makes it obvious that BOB is around.  Maybe BOB can
somehow control whether or not he's seen as BOB.  Maybe Coop's not as gifted
as we thought.  (Heresy?  Maybe.)

Overall impression:  Even though not a lot happened this week, I still find
that it gave me an emotional overload.  Foof.  Damn.  I'm pissed that
Maddy's dead.  I think that they should have had a picture of Maddy and
Laura together under the final credits, rather than the usual Laura picture.

Bye, Madeline.
-- - Barry L. "It is happening again" Gingrich bgingric@nyx.cs.du.edu

In article <1990Nov16.022959.27684@rice.edu> fi@whittaker.rice.edu (Fiona Oceanstar) writes:
> >
> >...But what about *Bob*?  Does the spirit Bob have any compassion,
> >any regrets...

no.

> >any kinship at all with us...

???

> >--or does he just treat us like *cattle*--or like playthings, as one
> >poster suggested?                                  --Fiona Oceanstar

we are but twinkies in the Cosmic Convenience Store--open only after
dark.

i mean it like it is, like it sounds.

it is not so interesting that BOB feeds on us, but that we are tasty
to BOB.

-tim(There'rethingsyoucan'tgetanywhere,butwedreamtheycanbefoundinotherpeople)r
-- And nothing ever happens Nothing happens at all The needle returns to the start of the song and we all sing along like before, and we'll all be lonely tonight and lonely tomorrow --Del Amitri

In article <740@taniwha.UUCP> paul@taniwha.UUCP (Paul Campbell) writes:

> >Twin Peaks is of course a SF neighborhood ...

It didn't seem like it for the first few episodes, but it has certainly
turned out that way!

  (SF == Science Fiction, right?  Nyuk nyuk nyuk)


Sam Drake / IBM Almaden Research Center 
Internet:  drake@ibm.com            BITNET:  DRAKE at ALMADEN
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There has been a lot of discussion, and a few calls for votes lately
concerning newsgroups about currently running television programs.
It is usually the case that when these groups are created, their
relevance and traffic disappears when these shows are taken off
the air, or when people lose interest.

Usually, when a rec group about a TV show is created, one of the main
reasons given is that the associated alt.tv.* group receives poor
propogation because of its placement in alt. Creating any tv show
group under rec implies a long-term presence, like rec.arts.startrek.
Most tv shows just don't last.

alt.tv is part of alt, and there are lots of sites that refuse to carry
alt. Again, that usually results in a call for a new group under
rec.arts.tv.

Creating a new hierarchy just for tv shows would be overkill, and
undoubtedly would also suffer from poor propogation.

None of these solutions is particularly good. Perhaps increased
propogation of alt.tv.* would solve the whole problem, but
that seems unlikely.

I don't have an answer. it would be useful, however, to discuss
this matter, IMHO.

-- Nick Sayer | Disclaimer: "Don't try this at home, | RIP: Mel Blanc mrapple@quack.sac.ca.us | kids. This should only be done by | 1908-1989 N6QQQ [44.2.1.17] | trained, professional idiots." | May he never 209-952-5347 (Telebit) | --Plucky Duck | be silenced.

Could the owls be the members of the band? Is the name of the band The
Owls by any chance?

I don't think The Giant is an owl. Someone else pretty much nailed it
- The Giant is the Dalai Lama ;-()oommmmmmmm

Jesse Thorn
thorn@godot.radonc.unc.edu

In response to Wolte.CS's comments on 11/3 "most of the violence is
directed against women....I don't know if this equates to sexism or
misogyny,...."

It equates reality.  Statistics show that the majority of violence is
is directed against women and usually the violence is random or with
out provocation, i.e. rape, child abuse, spousal abuse, purse snatching.

In this respect, Twin Peaks is only reflecting the society we live in.
The fact that many on this net are unhappy with this depiction
suggests that maybe attitudes are changing.  But I won't be rushing to
sell my attack dog.


Linda

Okay, folks, I was enjoying a cold one and watching the movie
DREAMSCAPE(w/Dennis Quaid and Kate Capeshaw) when who happened
to pop on screen.....
       Actually, two of the actors enjoying the success of  
Twin Peaks were in this above average sci-fi/surrealistic
thriller. Does anyone know who they are. Here's a hint:
On TP, the characters portrayed by these two actors conspired
to kill Leo.

bgingric@isis.UUCP (Barry L. Gingrich) writes:
> >2.  There was no direct credit given for Lucy's sister.  I don't think it
> >was Sheryl Lee, tho.  There were two women listed as guest stars that I
> >didn't recognize, Kathleen Wilhoite and Jane Greer.  I'm guessing that one
> >played Norma's mom and the other was Lucy's sister.

Jane Greer is playing Norma's mom.  Greer's most famous role was as
the femme fatale in the great film noir, OUT OF THE PAST.

I don't know if Kathleen Wilhoite is the name of the actress playing
Lucy's sister, but I do know that the actress just appeared as a crack
addict in two episodes of COP ROCK.  She's a very good singer, IMHO.

-- Dennis Doubleday (dd@sei.cmu.edu) _ /| Software Engineering Institute \'o.O' Carnegie Mellon University ACK! PTHFT! =(___)= Pittsburgh, PA 15213 (412)268-5873 U

Saturday night's episode should have put to rest all speculation 
about the possibility of BOB occupying a different host (Ben) on 
the night Laura Palmer was killed. Leland seems to be fully aware of
the fact that he is the killer, and that he is BOB's host. 

On a different note, TP seems to have changed drastically in the last
few episodes (last two actually). It has become a lot more scary, and
the characters seem to becoming polarized between good and bad. Ben,
for example, seems to have become a more likeable character, bad, but
likeable. Leland, on the other hand, has become the epitome of evil.
Every time I see him smile I shiver. I don't think I have seen a
character as evil as Leland on TV - ever. 

TP definitely gets better and better.

Hardeep.

-- ______________ The things I tell you will not be wrong.

In article <12019@scorn.sco.COM>, evanh@sco.COM (Evan A.C. Hunt) writes:
> > 
> > I rewatched the 11/10 episode this morning, and during the
> > murder scene, when Leland/BOB has chased Maddy into the living room,
> > she stands with her back to the windows for a moment just before he
> > grabs her.  The sound is heavily distorted and played at slow speed,
> > and the sounds don't match her lip-movements, so it's hard to tell
> > for sure if she's really articulating anything while she screams, but
> > it sounded a lot like she was saying "don't murder me BOB".
> > 
> > Did anyone else hear that?  Did anyone else hear words at
> > all?  (It was so distorted I could easily have misheard it.)
> > 




I'm pretty sure she said "Somebody help me"



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In article <1990Nov14.130010@Unify.com> raveling@Unify.com (Paul Raveling) writes:
> >
> >Scott Frost suggested it might be a good idea to solicit
> >a write-in campaign to Bob Iger at ABC.  They're concerned
> >about their ratings, and much of the ratings problem is
> >probably due to Peaks' time slot.  The problem of course
> >is that if the ratings get too bad, Bob (or BOB?) could
> >murder Twin Peaks.
> >BTW, if someone who has the address for Bob Iger
> >at ABC could post it I'd appreciate it...  can't
> >find it right now in my own files of such stuff.
> >Paul Raveling
> >Raveling@Unify.com

Here's the address, copied from a similarly pleading posting concerning
QUANTUM LEAP made by Debbie Brown (deb@cci.com) in rec.arts.tv:

ABC
Robert Iger - Entertainment President
2040 Avenue of the Stars
Century City, CA 90067


In gratitude for the info, here's a free ad for Deb: Also write to NBC to save
QUANTUM LEAP!  The address is:

NBC
Brandon Tartikoff - Entertainment President
3000 W. Alameda 
Burbank, CA 91523

--
"I believe it's customary to ask after the health of one recently plugged
  three times." -- Albert
-- =============================================================================== Malcolm Austin -- maus@fid.morgan.com #include "disclaimer.h"

In article <HRP.90Nov15235510@pecan03.cray.com> hrp@pecan03.cray.com (Hal Peterson) writes:
:In article <1990Nov16.032419.28872@rice.edu: fi@whittaker.rice.edu (Fiona Oceanstar) writes:
:
:   If *I* were a disembodied spirit forced to thrive on emotions in the
:   "Twin Peaks" universe, I think I'd try to thrive on bewilderment.
:   There's always plenty of it around in the sheriff's department. :-)
:
:You'd be better off as a disembodied spirit who feeds on doughnuts . . .

No, no.  Doughnut holes!  

-- =============================================================================== Malcolm Austin -- maus@fid.morgan.com #include "disclaimer.h"

There is one thing that I have been wondering...if BOB is spelling out
ROBERT under the fingernails of his victims, then who will the other
2 victims be who get the 'R' and the 'E'?

BOB, your turn!

I'd like to buy a vowel, Pat.  How 'bout 'O'?


jen
/=============================================================================\
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|=============================================================================|
|Opinions expressed herein are not CMU's, and are probably not even mine,     |
|since I am not really posting: I am hard at work as I am supposed to be.     |
\=============================================================================/

In article <1990Nov18.082928.27811@odin.corp.sgi.com> bam@rudedog.asd.sgi.com (Brian McClendon) writes:
> >"She's a caution, isn't she?"  I had never heard "caution" used like
> >this before but the dictionary says its reasonable.

Just another indication of the time-warp Twin Peaks exists in:
remember Hank's use of "chippie" and of course the omnipresent
reference to a "cup of joe."  I had heard "caution" used in that
sense, but only in old movies!  I love it...

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I missed the opening minutes of the 11/17 episode (thought the Celtics
game would certainly overrun a bit) - who wrote and directed this one?
It wasn't a world-beater by any critical standard, was it?  Email
replies are fine (and preferred).

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I haven't yet had time to read the umpteen posts about this weeks (11/17)
episode, so if I repeat what anyone else has said please forgive me.  Spoilers
follow


1) Did anyone else feel more than a little disappointed by the show?  Nothing
really happened and it took a long time in not happening.  Oh, well...I guess
we would all get worn out pretty quickly if every show was like 11/10.

2) I guess we can put the BOB was Ben idea aside.  Ben was with Catherine and
the only reason for repeatedly showing that BOB/Leland mirror scenes is to
convince us of their connection.

3) Smart move Leland.  Excerpt from the next show...

   Doc Hayward> Maddie Ferguson died between 10:00 p.m. and 2:00 am.
   Harry> But James and Donna said...
   Cooper> Harry get those cuffs, we have a date with Leland on the links.

This is just my version (but I like the pun 8^) ).

4) It sure looked like Leland was going to brain Cooper didn't it. "Cooper
would you like to see my new clubs?"

5) Don't you think Vivien should have worn a neon sign saying "I AM WENCE"?

6) One thing I have seen in a couple of posts is questions about Nadine now
possessing supernatural strength.  In the silent curtain runner period when Ed
splashed oil on the cotton balls she did a pretty nasty job on her rowing
machine.  Maybe Nadine always had supernatural strength, and she is serious
when she says that she seems so clumsy lately (clumsy in revealing her
strength at least).  I think Nadine is from the planet Krypton ;*) 
{ ;*) <== winking Bozo).

7) Ray Wise was excellent.

8) One last point.  Don't you think Leland would have a heck of a time shaving
what with always seeing BOB and all.  Yeah a spinoff...

Doc Hayward MD -- (medical drama) Meet Doc Hayward General Practitioner
in the town of Twin Peaks.  On this weeks show Doc saves the life of his friend
Leland Palmer who accidently cut his carotid artery while shaving.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Diane...I am now upside-down.

Matt BrinkmanBRINKMAN@EDSEQ1.LLNL.GOV

In article <12019@scorn.sco.COM> evanh (Evan A.C. Hunt) writes:
> >I rewatched the 11/10 episode this morning, and during the
> >murder scene, when Leland/BOB has chased Maddy into the living room,
> >she stands with her back to the windows for a moment just before he
> >grabs her.  The sound is heavily distorted and played at slow speed,
> >and the sounds don't match her lip-movements, so it's hard to tell
> >for sure if she's really articulating anything while she screams, but
> >it sounded a lot like she was saying "don't murder me BOB".

Nope. I heard words all right. Though I could make part of it out fairly
clearly when I replayed it. She was saying "Uncle Leland! Uncle Leleand!"
Which indicates to me that she couldn't see BOB. Then when he gets her
to the couch she yells "Help me!" or words to that effect. I don't 
remmeber this very well as it was just a generic scream for help.

-- _ _ _ Eat a pop-tart for Jesus. / ) ) ) / Hail Eris, All hail Discordia! / / / __/_> --><-- / ( (_/(_) \,KSC mok@pawl.rpi.edu

TWIN PEAKS 
FREQUENTLY ANSWERED QUESTIONS
Last update: 11/19/90
(Many of these concern what various people said.  Many thanks to Bart
J. Geraci, the man with the closed caption decoder.)

WARNING: This article may contain references to any episode up to and
including the most recent one shown in the U.S.  

1. What's this "secret diary" that everybody keeps referring to?
-- _The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer_ was written by Jennifer Lynch
(David's daughter), and is published in the U.S by Pocket
Books, and in the U.K. Penguin Books.  It's supposed to be the
text of the diary that was discovered in the second season of
the show.  

2. a) What language was the little boy with the creamed corn speaking?
-- French
   b) What did he say?
-- J'ai une ame solitaire: I have a solitary soul.
   c) Didn't he look an awful lot like David Lynch?
-- Yes, that's because he's Austin Jack Lynch, David Lynch's son.
   (For handy reference, look at Gordon Cole (Cooper's boss): he's played
   by David Lynch.)

3. What was that ditty Leland was singing, and what does it mean?
-- The full lyrics of the song are:

Mairzy doats and dozy doats
and little lambzy divy.
A kiddly divy, too, wooden shoe?

Now if the words sounds queer,
and funny to your ear,
a little bit jumbled and jivy,
Sing:

Mares eat oats and does eats oats
and little lambs eat ivy.
A kid'll eat ivy, too, wouldn't you?

   If necessary, go look up "mare," "doe" and "kid" in the dictionary.

4. Wasn't the Giant also on Star Trek: The Next Generation?
-- Yes, he is Carel Struycken, who played Mr. Homm.  

5. Who was that standing outside the window while Josie was seducing
Harry?
-- The majority of posters believe it was the Mysterious Asian
Gentleman, also known as "Jonathan", Josie's "cousin" from
Hong Kong.  Those who have suggested other people are pushing it.

6. What were the three predictions that the giant made to Cooper?
-- a man in a smiling bag
   the owls are not what they seem
   without chemicals, he points

   The giant also said something about "Leo locked in a hungry horse,"
and that there was a clue at Leo's house.  However, these were
not the "predictions" which will be fulfilled before Cooper
gets his ring back.  The former refers to the fact that Leo
was in jail in Hungry Horse, Montana when Theresa Banks was
killed, and the latter refers to the Circle Brand boots that
were found with the cocaine at Leo's house.

7. What did the person say who answered the phone when Andy called
"Gwen and Larry", where he thought Lucy was staying?
-- "Adams abortion clinic"

8. What did Harold say to Laura and Maddy as he scratched his face
with the garden fork?
-- "Are you looking for secrets? Is that what all this is about?
 Well, maybe I can help you. Do you know what the ultimate
 secret is? You want to know?
 Laura did.
 The secret of knowing who killed you."

9. Has anybody mentioned the possible connection between:
   * 'BOB' and J. R. "Bob" Dobbs of the Church of the Subgenius?
   * All the donuts they eat on Twin Peaks, and JFK's "Ich bin ein
Berliner" speech?  What he literally said was "I am a jelly
donut." 
   * Agent Dale Cooper and D.B. Cooper, the guy who hijacked a plane
and then parachuted over Washington State with a whole bunch
of money and was never found?  
-- Yes for all of the above.

10. What was the poem that "Mike" recited in Cooper's dream, and later
at the police station?
-- "Through the darkness of future past
    the magician longs to see
    one chants out between two worlds
    'Fire walk with me.'"

11. How were the funny voices in the dream sequence done?
-- Before shooting the scene, the actors were recorded reading their
lines.  The recording was then played to them backwards, and
they memorized how to imitate it.  Each shot in the scene was
acted in reverse order, with the actors saying their
"backwards" lines.  The film was then reversed so that the
actions came out in the right order, and the words came out
double-reversed.  Unfortunately, the words weren't very
intelligible, so subtitles were added.

12. Who was that long-haired guy in the background when Cooper brought
Audrey to the Bookhouse from One Eyed Jack's?  It looked like BOB!
-- Nope.  It was Joey Paulson, who's a friend of James and is one of
the Bookhouse Boys (he was also the one who took Donna to meet
James in the woods, early in the series).  Further evidence
that it was Joey in that scene is that Joey gets a credit at
the end of the episode (BOB does not).

13. What year is the show set in?
-- References in the first season placed it in 1989.  However, _The
Secret Diary of Laura Palmer_ places the action in 1990.
Sources on the production team (i.e., Scott Frost) indicate
that it's been sort of miraculously moved up to 1990.
Apparently, the producers and directors have trouble keeping
track of what day it's supposed to be in Twin Peaks, never
mind what year.

14. Maddy notices a burning smell just before she's attacked by
Leland/BOB.  Didn't Jacoby say he smelled burned oil in the
hospital when Jacques was killed?  Does this mean that Leland
was BOB when he killed Jacques?
-- No.  Later, under hypnosis, Jacoby changed his story and said that
he smelled the burned smell just before he was attacked at the
gazebo, but not at the hospital.  However, this does leave
open the possibility that Jacoby was attacked by BOB.
--
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I apologize if this has already been discussed recently BUT...

I MUST have the Twin Peaks soundtrack!  Does anyone know if you can get it on
CD?  What is on it?

Also, I'm curious about Laura Palmer's Secret Diary.  Yes, about the one in the
movie, but also the one in the bookstores (Is it really a bestseller?).  What
is in it?  Is it relevant to the show?  Is it relevant to anything?  Is it
worth $16.95?

Also.  Has anyone heard more on the horrible rumor of the cancellation of
Twin Peaks as a series?

                                       -DaV

In article <10177@helios.TAMU.EDU> bell@cs.tamu.edu (Will Bell) writes:
> >In article <MIKEP.90Nov15173733@dirty.csc.ti.com> you write:
>> >>1) Twin Peaks represents a trend.  No matter how much quality
>> >>   there may be, trends come and go (by definition).  The
>> >>   "normal" (non-alt) newsgroups should be fairly stable, not
>> >>   reflecting every slight surge or depression in interest.
> >Where were you during the discussion period?  This is a topic that we
> >went round and round with.  That is why the "self-destruct" clause
> >was included in the charter.  

Yes, I think everyone understands why the self-destruct clause was 
included but that wasn't Mike's point.  What he is saying is that 
regular Usenet newsgroups are supposed to be stable, they are ex-
pected to be around for years and years.

Let's assume that the newsgroup has been created.  ABC cancels the
series tomorrow.  According to your proposal, rec.arts.tv.twin-peaks
would continue until 1/20/91 whereupon a rmgroup mesg would be sent 
out.  But three weeks later the Fox network announces that it has 
reached an agreement with Lynch and Frost to air the show beginning 
5/1/91.  Are you going to come back here and go through this whole 
voting biz again?

> >few others which you can learn by reading the charter.  Some people are
> >tired of 75% of rec.arts.tv talking about TP. 

Then they should do what everybody else does in every other news-
group:  set up a killfile.  It's easy enough to kill the xpostings
and that should take care of most of the "problem."  The fact that
"some people" are inconvenienced by the xposts is not a legitimate
reason to create this newsgroup.


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Ok, I'm fed up.  The show has begun its inevitable deterioration.  Why do
I say this?  Think about these for a moment:

1.  Sarah Palmer had an amazing recovery, didn't she?  And a very convenient
    loss of memory, it seems.

2.  Hank is one hell of slippery fellow.  Last time we saw him, Jean had
    a gun to his head.

3.  I wonder if Daryl will ever notice that his wallet's missing?  Maybe
    when he finally gets around to paying for the dinner he had at the RR
    two nights ago?

4.  Leland has been BOB for "nearly forty years."  In that time, to our
    knowledge, he has killed (at most) three people.  First was Teresa
    Banks, and then ALMOST ONE YEAR TO THE DAY came Laura Palmer.  The
    third was Maddy, of course.  So in forty years, BOB has killed three
    times, with the third comming only a few days after the second?
    Why?  And here's a bonus question to think about: where was Teresa's
    body found?

5.  We now know how Leland really makes his living: he sells Amway products.
    Didn't the wonderful Amway carpet cleaner do an outstanding job on the
    blood-stained carpet of Leland's living room?

6.  So it takes "a few hours" to determine a man's blood type in Twin Peaks.
    Albert was right -- it does give new meaning to the word "primitive."

7.  Lucy sure loves to drive.  Why she's been known to drive hundreds of
    miles in a 48 hour period!

8.  Cooper sure is a strange guy, and his memory is shoddy.  It seems
    like only a coupla weeks ago, he was explaining to Harry why the
    murder of Laura and the attack on Ronette was a Federal case.

9.  So Pete just got back from the "second shift."  The second shift of
    what?  "GhostMill?"

10. "It is happening again."  Well, let's see now, what could that nice
    ol' Giant chap be trying to tell Coop?  Maybe, uh, maybe someone's
    being killed.  Ok, uh, but we have the "murderer" in custody, right?
    Hmmm, that doesn't add up.  No, maybe, uh, maybe we got the wrong
    guy?  Gee, where can we find another "close friend" of Leland who
    has been molesting Laura throughout the years?  Gosh, it's all sooo
    complex, I'm not surprised that Coop didn't figure it out immediately!

Am I the only one who thinks that Scott Frost should stick to being
someone's son/cousin/paramour/whatever?  Flame on!

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In article <1990Nov18.185248.2793@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:

> >First, he tells Donna and James that he took Maddie to the bus
> >station.  Given the body is found about 24 hours after the murder, it
> >should be possible to prove that Maddie was dead by the time he'd made
> >that statement.

You are making an assumption that James and Donna are going to tell Truman
and Cooper about that.  I don't think they will.  They haven't yet told
them anything before investigating it themselves (with disasterous results).
Remember the Jacoby/Laura tape and the Maddy/Laura disquise--Jacoby ended up
being attacked and having a heart failure.  Also the very recent Harold Smith
and diary investigation--Smith is dead now.  Do you believe that they have
learned their lesson?  Noooo, that would be too easy.  I think they will
launch an investigation of Leland and who can guess what the results will
be?


> >Leland/BOB *wants* to be caught.  But why?


I think that if L/B wants to be caught, it's the Leland side winning over
the BOB side.  I think he likes to play the edge.


Jennifer

I don't know if this has been discussed yet,
but did anyone notice that while Leland was
driving/weaving in his car and singing
"Surrey with a fringe on top", Cooper was
whistling the same song while riding with
Truman? Assuming Leland was BOB at the time,
perhaps this is an indication that Cooper
is intuned with BOB in some way of which
he's not aware? Just an idea.

I really like this newsgroup!

Denise
-- "Besides, Laura's fingerprints might be on your blood" Jerry Horne to Ben Horne, Twin Peaks

In article <16466@csli.Stanford.EDU> alper@csli.Stanford.EDU (Ted Alper) writes:

> >2) Mike either DID something in his fight against BOB or will be thought
> >   by the police to have done something nasty. The escape and recapture-
> >   near-the-falls (near maddy's body) ought to have some future 
> >   significance. Then again, maybe not.

I think there is a great deal of significance to that.  I think that Leland/
BOB knows that MIKE is after him and since he overheard Truman yelling to
Cooper that they found Gerrard near the waterfall, he decided to try to
frame him by placing the body near the waterfall too.  Whaddyathink?

Jennifer

In article <6100@mace.cc.purdue.edu> salmons@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Joe Salmons) writes:
> >I haven't been reading a.t.t-p very long, so sorry if this has come up before
> >(hell, what hasn't come up here).  Somebody told me that Lynch has at least
> >acted in interviews like a serious Reagan-styled rightwinger, a real old
> >fashioned macho-type guy.  I laughed pretty hard about it then, but that was
> >before the questions about sexism in TP.  What's the deal?  
> >
> >Another point, more directly about the show:  the TP community does not strike
> >me as role model material on ANY count, sex roles or anything else.  Lynch is
> >painting a pretty dismal world here, for whatever reason, not exactly the 
> >socialist realist approach to TV. In the middle of all the greed, corruption,
> >violence, deceit, etc., a progressive set of gender roles would not fit the
> >pattern.  One of Cooper's early mistakes was seeing TP as an idyllic place,
> >wasn't it?  

It was the best of times.  It was the worst of times.
It was the best of places.  It was the worst of places.

Since when does art have to impart its message through politically
correct or the currently fashionable images?
 
Sexism exists in the our society...should not art report that?  I
would argue that in Twin Peaks, that even with the archetypal
characters they use, that the female characters are more
three dimensional and sympathetically drawn than in most other
TV shows and movies.  So the show reports that women are often
the victims of men...it does not report that women enjoy
being the victims of men as does a movie like Pretty Woman for
example, it reports on women struggling and attempting to 
cope with life, and part of that is coping with the sexism
in society.  Which image is the more authentic image...Shelley
struggling with her life as a victim of Leo and Bobby, or
Julia Roberts' character, achieving happiness and fulfillment
in life through whoredom.  
 
The same can be said of the violence...rather than the shoot-em-up
cartoon violence of most TV shows and movies which trivializes
the effects of violence...the violence in Twin Peaks is fleshed out.
We are shown the violence, and more importantly, the effects of the
violence...the body count in Total Recall was pretty high, but I
didn't feel much of anything...the same cannot be said of the
body count in Twin Peaks.

Gerald

In article <iXJus2w163w@halcyon.uucp> hikaru%halcyon.uucp@seattleu.edu writes:
> >
> >How do we know that BOB attacked [Ronette] in the hospital? That letter 
> >underneath her fingernail could have been put there at the same time that 
> >Laura's was - in the traincar. 
> >
> >Richard Barrett

Cooper checked Ronette's fingers during the premiere, even before he checked
Laura's.  He was expecting to find the letter then, but didn't.

Also, remember the tainted I.V.  

There is still the problem that the letter-under-the-fingernail seems to
indicate BOB's presence, while the blue I.V. (assuming that it is the same 
drug as used by the OAM--has that been established?) is OWL-garlic--a protec-
tion from possession.  This juxaposition has not yet been explained.
-- =============================================================================== Malcolm Austin -- maus@fid.morgan.com #include "disclaimer.h"

From the November 18, 1990 edition of the Colorado Springs GT
in the "personals" column:
__________________________________________________
In search of Bob, we met at the Marriott in
Bethesda MD fall 1988. You are tall, gray hair,
good dancer, funny, may work out of US. Pls call
nurse Judy 805-684-xxxx
__________________________________________________

Hmmm, that sounds like the BOB we all know. The above is
what was printed except for the x'ed out phone number (because I
don't want to subject a unsuspecting person to get 1000s of calls).

In article <6577@bgsu-stu.UUCP> ka-rt451@bgsu-stu.UUCP (Scott Malchus) writes:
> >
> >Okay, folks, I was enjoying a cold one and watching the movie
> >DREAMSCAPE(w/Dennis Quaid and Kate Capeshaw) when who happened
> >to pop on screen.....
> >       Actually, two of the actors enjoying the success of  
> >Twin Peaks were in this above average sci-fi/surrealistic
> >thriller. Does anyone know who they are. Here's a hint:
> >On TP, the characters portrayed by these two actors conspired
> >to kill Leo.

Months ago, it was established that one is Jerry. 

"Have you ever seen 'Enter the Dragon'?  I've seen it 6 times."

I don't remember who the other one is.  I haven't seen "Dreamscape"
in six or so years and it is not worth repeating.  Hank or Ben?



Kirk out.

Several people have mentioned that Leland is sure to be caught after
Donna and James tell the police what he said about dropping her off.

Did he say he saw her go onto the bus, or just that he dropped her off
at the station?  If the latter, then the pattern of extremely incriminating
evidence against Leland being missed by the cops may continue.  Every
middle class American knows that bus stations are populated by murderers and
other undesirables, right? :-(  Therefore it must have been a greasy drifter
who killed Maddy, not the respectable Leland.  I predict that nothing much
will come of this, if Lynch et al. stick to their customary cynicism about
our society.

Alan

In article <1990Nov19.141042.1090@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> ssjy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
> >I MUST have the Twin Peaks soundtrack!  Does anyone know if you can get it on
> >CD?  What is on it?

Yes - readily available.  It's on the Warner Bros label.  It has: Main
Theme, Laura's Theme, Audrey's Dance, about twenty million variations
on that jazzy vamp they keep using under different names, spooky
stuff, love theme (laura's theme on a different keyboard patch), and
the three Julee Cruise songs that had appeared in the show as of the
time the disc was released.  You don't get the Julee Cruise songs that
were in the 11/10 episode.

> >Also, I'm curious about Laura Palmer's Secret Diary.  Yes, about the one in the
> >movie, but also the one in the bookstores (Is it really a bestseller?).  What
> >is in it?  Is it relevant to the show?  Is it relevant to anything?  Is it
> >worth $16.95?

It's sort of relevant to the show - it will help you get a grip on BOB
and how Laura perceived him.  It's not worth $17!!!  They sell it
around here for $8.50 at the discount booksellers.

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I read that many netters have expressed disappointment with the 
11/17 episode of TP.  In particular, some have called the pacing
dull and slow, compared to the previous week.  The incident of
the Ben and Jerry flashback with dancer-with-flashlight has been
used as an example of this.  Others have expressed puzzlement 
about the relationship between Leland and BOB during the events
after the murder of Maddy.  

First, concerning the pacing, I have to agree that it was _slower_,
but I was not disturbed by this.  After the intense emotional climate 
of the 11/10 program, I liked the slower rhythm.  It gave me a chance
to delve into the feelings of the events as they continued to unfold.

We have a return to the use of comedy for dramatic effect.  After
the intensity of Maddie last week, I particularly enjoyed Lucy and
her older sister.  Watching the two gave me lots of clues about Lucy 
and her family background.  We can see who her role model has been.
We also see Lucy at the moment in her life when she questions and 
rejects her role model, the instant when Lucy learns that her mentor
has feet of clay, so to speak.

I'm probably in a minority here, but I did not think the 2 minute
sequence of dancing-girl-with-flashlight was too long (though I
don't think I would have wanted it any longer - it was about right
for me).  It was so soft-focus, in a series of stop-images, like
watching a slide show from anyone's memory, with a sense of nostal-
gia in the period music, and the syncopated blending of music,
picture-changes, and movement, especially the movement of the light
and the silhouette of the figure from all the dreams of our youth.
(And the _round_ orb of the flash light - like the old bouncing
ball in singalong music.)  And it was such a _relief_ after the
sharp and intense scenes of the murder of Maddie the week before.
I liked it. After last week, we (and the characters, too) are perhaps 
feeling the downside of murder: guilt, depression, strung-out tensions,
emotional fatigue.  If this episode were as intensely paced as the last
one, I might become as much of an emotion-junkie as BOB.  

Now, concerning Leland, who now displays such inappropriate and 
scary glee and euphoria. That in itself is frightening, for it shows
us either that Leland is a psychopathic killer experiencing the flow
of release and relief after his compulsive behavior has caused him 
to murder Maddie, or, even worse, that _BOB_ is experiencing a great 
rush of pleasure from his leeching of vicarious emotional pleasure from 
Leland.  By this I mean that BOB inhabits Leland for the rich emotional 
feeding experiences which Leland provides for BOB.  Leland might be a 
host, but he might well be an involuntary host.  And the relationship 
might well have started, from/in Leland's youth and naivete.  Leland 
appears to have a love of music, films, singing, dancing, etc., all 
activities which thrive in a rich and fertile imagination.  BOB could 
easily have obtained a toehold via Leland's youthful fantasies, and 
then, having next established control over Leland, become a monster,
a junkie who feeds on Leland's emotional life.  When that life gets 
thin, then BOB drives Leland to perform more and more acts which will 
yield BOB the emotional highs on which he feeds.     

Even further about Leland and BOB, it seems to me that there is
a powerful struggle going on inside Leland.  Whether BOB is some sort
of dark psychotic side of Leland's own personality, or whether BOB
is a malevolent spirit inhabiting Leland's body (on a more or less
regular basis), is not clear to me.  Last week as we saw Leland/BOB
chasing Maddie with murderous intent, there seemed to be moments in the
struggle when it looked like Leland himself, was trying to help
Maddie.  At one point in the struggle, he almost threw her in the
direction of the living room door and yelled at her to leave (at
least I think that's what I saw), only to have BOB take ascendance
again and catch Maddie and drag her back in a final and fatal struggle.
Why would Leland do that - unless he wanted Maddie to escape, unless
he wanted thwart BOB, unless he wanted to be caught so that BOB
would no longer be able to use him as an emotional vehicle, or 
unless it is Leland's cry for help to control the dark forces
inside him.

The scene in the Great Northern: Leland was dancing and singing, 
Cooper arrives and gives him the news that Ben killed Laura, then 
Leland leaves the room through the arch.  The camera follows Leland
out.  We see his shoulders bent and shaking, hear sounds like grief.
Then we pan around and see that Leland is not crying in memory of
Laura, but is instead filled with joy and glee.  Then we see Cooper
pause in his departure in the other room, and follow Leland.  Agent
Cooper mistakes the laughter for grief, and commisserates with Le-
land.  Cooper leaves, and BOB is triumphant as he two-steps off
"stage left."  This scene made me want to go back and view all the
TP tapes in the past to try and determine Leland's previous pattern
of euphoric outbursts and what they could mean.

The scene on the road by the golf course:  After having clubbed
a policeman, Leland is singing and larking back and forth from lane
to lane.  He almost runs into Cooper's car.  Then comes the strange
conversation in which Leland opens the trunk/golfbag with the body
of Maddie inside, removes a golf club to show to Cooper, gets inter-
rupted, and he is left in a strange stance somewhere between a golf
swing and a club.  Certainly, it reveals the confidence of the suc-
cessful killer which Leland/BOB has become.  From Leland's perspective,
he might well _want_ to be caught.  And from BOB's side, he might
not really care if Leland is caught or not.  After all, he can always
find another host to feed on, and Leland would be left holding the
golf bag, so to speak.

Whether that appetite is a compulsive need within Leland's psyche,
or whether it is the insatiable thirst of vampirism, or whether it
is a restless spirit who remains bonded to the emotional sensationalism
of the flesh, or whether it is a demonic entity who feeds as much on 
Leland's soul as on his emotions, BOB is the voracious appetite which is
never sated.  

Nancy


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In article <1990Nov19.031416.22952@world.std.com>, unicorn@world.std.com (Arthur P Hamlin) writes:
|> The incident between Leland and Coop and the Golf bag does seem to indicate 
|> that Leland 'secretly' wanted to be caught.  But let us take a slightly
|> broader view of the scene, and Lelands actions.
|> 
|> The whole reason Leland was stopped was because he was weaving all over the
|> road. Beyond conspicuous, just begging to be noticed, stopped, pulled over
|> by the police. Why?

I think in this latest episode we see that Leland not only knows he's
got the BOB in him, but that BOB is taking progressively more control.
That scene in the Great Northern when Cooper almost catches him
laughing showed how close Leland and BOB really have become. As for
the outlandish behaviour, I think BOB is just enjoying the trip. When
you consider all the evidence against Leland, and all they've pinned 
on him is killing Renault, no wonder BOB is riding high. He's seeing
just how far he can push the act - he's killed 3 women and nobody
suspects Leland.

Also, the scene on the road, it sure looked like BOBland had an
interesting grip on that golf club. Cooper was about 5 seconds 
away from having his bean knocked off. Which raises the possibility
of BOBland being the one who tried to shoot Cooper.

I wonder if they'll call in Albert for Maddie's autopsy.

Lucy's sister/cousin/whatever was a nice comedic touch.

What is this fetish with balls and rings? The preview of next week
showed Cooper's ring and the rings on the phonograph record. And last
week it was Navy personel bouncing tennis balls at the lodge and
this week BOBland was driving golf balls in the living room. How
does this relate to doughnuts?

We haven't seen the Major in a few weeks now. Wonder what's been
happening up at his base?
____________________________________________________________________________
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                                                all pigs are upward mobile."
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In article <4766@husc6.harvard.edu> bleier@bwnmr4.harvard.edu (Alan Bleier) writes:
> >Several people have mentioned that Leland is sure to be caught after
> >Donna and James tell the police what he said about dropping her off.
> >
> >Did he say he saw her go onto the bus, or just that he dropped her off
> >at the station?  If the latter, then the pattern of extremely incriminating
> >evidence against Leland being missed by the cops may continue.  Every
> >middle class American knows that bus stations are populated by murderers and

The point that people are trying to make is that the autopsy will show
that while Leland claimed to have dropped her at the bus station in
the morning, Maddy died at night. Before Leland allegedly dropped her
off at the bus station. Personally, I don't think Donna and James are
going to report their conversation to Cooper. Remember, the body was
found a day later. Everyone will know that Maddy is dead. What they
(the poeple) will not know is when she was killed. Therefore Donna and
James will not know of the incongruity until the police and Cooper
question them (where were you on the night od the ...). Given the
quality of police work on TP so far, I doubt if they'll ever get
around to asking that question. It will be interesting to see if they
ask Leland and what he will reply. If he tells them what he told Donna
and James - he's in trouble.

Again, this being TP, it's quite likely that the autopsy results don't
surface for a few days. So, here's hoping that Leland gives me the
creeps for at least a few more weeks. 

Hardeep.

-- ______________ Some of my best friends are white people.

Thanks for all the GIFs to Darrin Jewell (jewell@athena.mit.edu).
I ftped them from freebie.engin.umich.edu today and previewed them
on my SparcStation I 19" color.  Some are a bit too dark to really see
(especially some of the 11/17 frames), does every display have
this problem?  Can I adjust the colormap (or anything else) to
brighten them?

Monochrome raster, postscript and ppm files can be created from
from them with no problems.  They are much too large to post here
(laura.gif resulted in 300kb raster and postscript files and a > 1Mb
color ppm file).  I was able to convert them from color & grayscale
to high contrast graphics (which require less bits to store), as well
as scale the image by using the 'screen capture' feature of IslandDraw(tm).

I have appended both a X11 bitmap and Sun icon created from the
'laura' GIF in this way :

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#define Laura_height 73
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Cheers,

- Morrow

Maddy was a little disappointed.  She thought you were coming over last
night [to say goodbye].

-- H. Morrow Long Manager of Development Yale Univ. Comp Sci Dept. Computing Facility

Well, *that* certainly cleared up a few things for the uncertain.

Maddy, is indeed dead, as I was certain of all along, but I can't
be smug 'cause I posted nothing to that effect.  It seemed fairly obvios
to me that she would be, & I doubt she's that much of a golf enthusiast.

Sarah certainly seems to be alive, & suffering from nothing more
than psychic trauma.  This, again is as I suspected, but see above.

It certainly seems that Leland is BOB's full-time host, & always
has been I still maintain.  Boy, that was an awkward sentence.  BOB cer-
tainly seems to be having a more pervasive influence on Leland all the 
time now, though.  I really thought he was gonna clean coop's clock w/
that golf club.  Yeesh!

On a minor plot note, I also think it's clear that Norma's Ma is
M. T. Wentz.  We also had intimations of three blackmail schemes:  Bobby
over Ben, Catherine over Ben & Hank over Jerry(?).

I wonder if Donna & Bobby will tell HST that Leland claimed to
have taken Maddy to the bus station that morning?  Naaah.

"Leland says you're going back to Missoula, MONTANA!"
George.Harris@samba.acs.unc.eduGe|ge

In article <1990Nov19.031416.22952@world.std.com> unicorn@world.std.com (Arthur P Hamlin) writes:
> >The incident between Leland and Coop and the Golf bag does seem to indicate 
> >that Leland 'secretly' wanted to be caught.  But let us take a slightly
> >broader view of the scene, and Lelands actions.
> >
> >The whole reason Leland was stopped was because he was weaving all over the
> >road. Beyond conspicuous, just begging to be noticed, stopped, pulled over
> >by the police. Why?
> >
> >I think that Leland is ( always has been ?? hmm?? ) fighting BOB. I think
> >Leland knows alot more about whats going on then we think, but BOB is 
> >keeping him in line.  Is Lelands abundant strange behaviour a symtom of the
> >struggle, is Leland trying to tell us ( the people around him ) what is 
> >happening? Are there clues in the singing and dancing? Does anyone have the
> >complete list of songs he's sung or danced to? 

There is, of course, another explanation (there are five explanations for
everything.) BOB wants Leland to get caught. Leland then goes to prison/
the chair/the psycho ward, and BOB moves on to another host to continue
his games, leaving everyone who knew and respected Leland a bit emptier.

What do you bet that the "real" Leland doesn't know he killed Maddy?

Dave Mack

Well, personally I think Hank progressing from a double-3 to a double-4 means
he either killed Jean Renault or considers Leo close enough to dead to count.

If you can't figure it out from the above -- I think the domino is his way
of advertising how many peopled he's offed.  The "3" represented Andrew
Packard, the hapless person he killed as a way of removing suspicion for
Andrew's murder, and another person that hasn't been mentioned.  Thus the
reason it is such an ominous message to Josie in the first season.

Of course, it may be the *total* number that is significant (6 and 8,
respectively), but I doubt it.

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!{hpda,versatc,apollo,ucbcad,uunet}!cadence!phz)

"It is happening, *again*."

In article <1990Nov19.141042.1090@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> ssjy@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:

> >I MUST have the Twin Peaks soundtrack!  Does anyone know if you can get it on
> >CD?  What is on it?

Might I suggest looking in a record store?

> >Also, I'm curious about Laura Palmer's Secret Diary.  Yes, about the one in the
> >movie, but also the one in the bookstores (Is it really a bestseller?).  What
> >is in it?  Is it relevant to the show?  Is it relevant to anything?  Is it
> >worth $16.95?

No, it's not worth $16.95.  Luckily, it doesn't *cost* $16.95.

> >Also.  Has anyone heard more on the horrible rumor of the cancellation of
> >Twin Peaks as a series?

Gosh, no!  Why would they want to cancel one of the lowest-rated shows
on TV?  It just doesn't make snese!

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "You will never hear surf music again" -- Jimi

I just purchased a new TP book today.  I have not read it yet so I cannot give 
any details.  It is an un-authorised spin-off.  I will tell more as soon as I
get a chance to read it.  Probably after Thanksgiving.

Michael


Michael Kaufman  | I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships
  kaufman        | on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter
   @eecs.nwu.edu | in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All these moments will
                 | be lost in time - like tears in rain. Time to die.

In article <114030029@hpcuhd.HP.COM> grega@hpcuhd.HP.COM (Number 6) writes:
> >Ok, I'm fed up.  The show has begun its inevitable deterioration.  Why do
> >I say this?  Think about these for a moment:

[ bunch of mostly good criticisms of recent plot points]\

No, the show has not BEGUN deteriorating... we have just been treated to
the latest of several deficient episodes by staff writers and directors.
There were a couple of them last season, too.  It'll probably get
terrific again momentarily.  Wait until the next Robert Engels/Lesli
Linka Glatter collaboration and see what I mean!

> >2.  Hank is one hell of slippery fellow.  Last time we saw him, Jean had
> >    a gun to his head.

Thinking he was the Daryl Lodwick.  Hank is INDEED a slippery fellow,
and once he explained the weird ID he may well have struck a deal with
Jean Renault.  (Remember his mysterious lateness at the diner.)  Ideally
they should have shown it to us, but as I said 11/17 was inferior.

> >3.  I wonder if Daryl will ever notice that his wallet's missing?  Maybe
> >    when he finally gets around to paying for the dinner he had at the RR
> >    two nights ago?

There's no reason to believe Lodwick hasn't already noticed his wallet
missing; it's hardly worth showing us.  We may hear about it later, or
we may not.

> >4.  Leland has been BOB for "nearly forty years."  In that time, to our
> >    knowledge, he has killed (at most) three people.  First was Teresa
> >    Banks, and then ALMOST ONE YEAR TO THE DAY came Laura Palmer.  The
> >    third was Maddy, of course.  So in forty years, BOB has killed three
> >    times, with the third comming only a few days after the second?
> >    Why?  And here's a bonus question to think about: where was Teresa's
> >    body found?

These are all excellent questions but the fact that they can be asked
doesn't mean the show is deteriorating.  (In fact for many of us they
are strong evidence that the show has legs.)  We don't actually know how
many people Leland/BOB might have killed in those forty years, or
whatever fraction thereof BOB was active.  Cooper only enters the
picture after he notices the Banks/Palmer pattern.  That doesn't prove
that Banks was the first.

Even if she was, the question of what could "activate" BOB's murderous
proclivities is entirely fair and interesting.  That's what we hope to
learn.  I don't agree that they've botched the issue.  Maddy and Jacques
don't fit the timeline, but neither are they like Laura/Teresa, so there
is some other dynamic at work there.

> >9.  So Pete just got back from the "second shift."  The second shift of
> >    what?  "GhostMill?"

It might take two shifts of work to clean up.

-- 'The Nazis have no sense of humor, so why -| Tom Neff should they want television?' -- Phil Dick |- tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM

cioffi@menudo.uh.edu (Delia Cioffi) writes:

> > About BOB and Leland; I'm a little confused about the terms of BOB's
> > "lease" when it comes to occupying his host. In 11/17, it seemed
> > that BOB was pretty much there all the time, even when we didn't see him
> > in the mirrors, as evidenced by Ray Wise's evil and "heh heh, got 'em"
> > expressions. What then are we to make of Leland's past anguished
> > behavior? Is "the true Leland" in there somewhere, and capable of
> > remorse/confusion when BOB isn't around?
> > I suppose the best explanation is that BOB was an intermittent
> > visitor only until Maddy's murder, but that since then he's a bit more,
> > ah, chronic.
> > 

My theory is that the more Leland kills using BOB, the more wacko (and 
perhaps more BOB-like) he gets. If BOB is Death, like some have 
suggested, then there is a passage in the diary that could explain it: 
"Murder is just a way of shaking hands with Death and saying `What's 
mine, is yours.'" The more Leland kills, the more BOB takes advantage of 
this, and thus the more in control he gets, and the more visible/apparent 
he gets. 
I have a sneaking suspicion that with the next murder, Leland is going to 
go out the window completely.

Meaningless quote for the day:
       "People who live in gasoline houses shouldn't throw matches."

Richard Barrett

rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:
> > Scenes like these are just poor storytelling.  Even the flashlight
> > dance--which I liked purely for the visuals--was an exercise in
> > gratuitous oddness.  Oh sure, it may factor into a plot someday, but
> > it didn't further this episode at all.
> > 

You know, it just occurred to me - that girl looked an awful lot like 
Audrey. Sherilyn Fenn said in an interview that Audrey dresses the way
she does to please her father. Maybe we know now just why what she wears 
pleases him... 
> > I'd say TP is in dire need of a creative rethinking.  (Undoubtedly
> > most of you in this newsgroup feel I'm crazy, I realize.  In the real
> > world, even the most devoted fans (of whom I am one) that I talked to
> > felt that this was a boring, plodding, unfocused show.

Oh, I don't know - it seems that anytime we see BOB in a bad mood, it's a 
sure sign that the next episode or two will be rather anticlimactic. But 
it usually picks up.

Meaningless quote for the day:
       "People who live in gasoline houses shouldn't throw matches."

Richard Barrett

mdtaylor@Apple.COM (Mark Taylor) writes:

> > So although the state is fictitious (unless Washington has an alternate motto
> > not listed in my almanac), it does sound a lot like we're talking about
> > Washington.  Other clues:
> > 

All doubt as to which state this was in should have been cleared up by 
now. In Leland's hearing, Truman says that the state is Washington. WHAT 
MORE is needed?
"Timber State" - so? Does that prove anything?

Meaningless quote for the day:
       "People who live in gasoline houses shouldn't throw matches."

Richard Barrett

In reference to the question re the Twin Peaks soundtrack.

Yes, it is on compact disk.  I've seen for about #13, but
I'm leary of buying it until I've heard a review.  If anyone
has it, please let me know what you think.

John Ficken
ehall@ux.acs.umn.edu

Hey, Thanks

In article <s1Vws6w163w@halcyon.uucp>, hikaru%halcyon.uucp@seattleu.edu writes:
> > In the preview for the 12/1/90 episode, it had MIKE saying "A circle made 
> > of gold," juxtaposed with a picture of the turntable. Has it occurred to 
> > anybody that what it might mean are the records that Leland keeps 
> > playing?
> > 
It looked to me like that was supposed to be associated with Coop's ring.
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