Season 2, Episode 12: The Black Widow — January 12–18, 1991

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Who knows, this may be revealed tonight, so I'd better toss out this theory
while I have the chance, but...

Remember the Man in the Window in Episode #2004 (10/20/90)?  The one looking
in and watching Harry boinking Josie?  Remember the arguments here about
whether that person was Pete or Jonathan (the Mysterious Asian Gentleman #2)?

(Yes, there were other suggestions, but these were the leading contenders.)

Well, it just occurred to me regarding this mystery man, in the light of
recent revelations...

could he have been...

Andrew Packard?!

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SPOILERS if you live in some benighted time zone where it's still
8:15pm...

This is just preliminary.

 * I believe they re-recorded the opening theme.  The reverb in the
synthesizer is now much more pronounced, and some of the little
phrasings have changed.  I have a pretty good ear for this type of
thing.  Did they need to re-record to meet new time limits on the
opening credits, or did they just decide it would be a good thing?
Insider dope requested.

 * Surely we can put to bed once and for all the question of whether
TWIN PEAKS is really a soap opera or something else/more.  It's just a
soap opera!  Really.  But -- it is a soap opera of major, grandiloquent
stature, with fearlessly psychic overtones and a fascinating hand picked
ensemble.  It is, in fact, HILL STREET BLUES meets DARK SHADOWS.  And I
could think of far worse ways to spend an hour of my Saturday nights.

 * Nor -- mark this date, boys -- did Caleb Deschanel do a bad job with
this one, did he?  Hey, when the mission is to paint emotional
vignettes, this guy's got the stuff.  Just don't ask him to move the
action along in some meaningful way when there's a murder mystery afoot,
and everything is cool.  Was that after-hours scene in the Sheriff's
office exquisite, or what?

 * Also, best director's moment in quite a while -- that throwaway line
of Cooper's as Denise exits his room at the Great Northern.  Could have
been lame, but came out riotous.

 * Anyway, they can do anything they want to, I don't care: I got the
Major back!

Hmmm... I'm not quite sure what to think of this one. There were some 
good moments, a few okay, par-for-the-course moments, and more than a few 
incredibly stupid moments.
Cooper, by the 1-26 episode, will have been cleared of drug charges, more 
than likely, with these photos Audrey procured for him. Speaking of 
Audrey- did she kiss him and say "thank you" because she was thrilled 
that there were "female agents," or because (at least as far as she was 
concerned) Cooper was acting like a normal human being for a change? 

Gee, is it possible that "Dead Dog Farm" is the White Lodge? Naah... 
couldn't be. :) 

Could it be that Peyton, Engels, and Decshanel had just seen the movie 
"Problem Child" before writing this episode? :> 

So Major Briggs is back. Was it just me, or did the outfit he had on make 
him look like the silouhette we saw in 12/8? And everything, 
unfortunately, is not all right. 
The military evidently knows as well as the Giant that the owls are not 
what they seem - perhaps broadcasting stations for the White Lodge? 

Really bad moments: Every scene containing Hawk, the mayor, Dick, and/or 
Nick. The biggest stinker of them all was when Lucy walked into the 
"meeting" that they were all having. 

Really good moments: Cooper flipping the coin (was that a Buffalo 
nickel?), "I may wear a dress, but I still pull up my panties one leg at 
a time, if you know what I mean." "Not really." Every Ben and Bobby 
scene, Cooper and Denise/Dennis interrogating Ernie, and the final scene 
with Briggs, Bobby, and his mother. 

You know, they are still showing the Homecoming Queen picture of Laura at 
the end of the episodes - why are they still doing this? The Laura Palmer 
storyline is dead (uh, sorry, bad pun) and finished. But I just realized 
something: It is what every further TP plotline will be judged against. 
Even thought it is no longer part of the show, it still continues to be 
part of the show, if you know what I mean. And the BOB plot isn't 
necessarily done with, either. 

**************************************************************************
"Mr. BOB, you've killed Theresa Banks,   *                Richard Barrett
 Laura Palmer, Jacques Renault, and      *             18004 146th Ave NE
 Maddy Ferguson. What are you going to   *          Woodinville, WA 98072
 do next?"                               *                (206)487-1312
"I'm going to Disneyland!"               *hikaru%halcyon.uucp@seattleu.edu
**************************************************************************

    First, a brief editorial comment on the return of TP:        

AAAAAALLLLLLLRRRIIIIIIIIGGGGHHHHTTT, BAAAABBY!

   There were about twenty people gathered in festive mood for our ritual
of cultural renewal (i.e., watching TP) in the big-screen television room
last night.  It's a social experience that goes a long way.      

   My thoughts:

  -- In a single episode, Major Briggs has, IMHO, become the central figure
     of mystery in the town of Twin Peaks.  Remember the first few episdoes
     when he was just a mere militaristic shell, commander of a disfuntional
     family?  The narrative style developing his character has been patient 
     and great.  First his revelead "vision" to Bobby-- corny but it linked
     him with other visionaries such as Coop.  Then the owl message, and much
     later the conversation about the White Lodge.  During his absence, Lynch
     indirectly builds his character into something big; note the scene 
     where the Air Force commander suggests Briggs' capacity for some awesome
     power.  Finally, when Mrs. Briggs is sitting up on the sofa during the
     ominous storm (when was the last time you saw HER?), we get her sense
     of loss, but at the same time we know she knows more than we do about
     the Major's abilities and his disappearences.  

        When the Major reappeared as a weary aviator, materializing in the
     midst of a blackout and reuniting with his wife--  wow.  What a terribly
     human, but at the same time otherworldy scene.  Who else besides the
     giant can come and go like that?

        The TP bonus question (besides "WHERE is BOB?") is "WHAT is Major
     Briggs?"


--   Crticism of the week:  I'm dissapointed that we now have yet another
     battered wife in the show.  The James subplot is bad enough without
     still more intimations and/or displays of woman-beating, as we had in
     the Shelley-Leo encounters.  I guess now that Leo is spitting up soup
     the writers felt we had to return to the maintain the previous quotient
     by providing yet another beautiful female trapped by her husband,
     ready to be saved by her boyfriend.  Sick and pointless.

  Oh well, you win some, you lose some.  At least now there is some material
  to talk about!

Elizabeth E. LeClair
International House
(Lecl@midway.uchicago.edu)

   How could Andrew Packard know Josie would return to Twin Peaks and want
to stay with Catharine, especially given the less than wholehearted welcome?

``W______ t_ a______ h___''

   There must have been some list of people Donna was supposed to visit
for meals-on-wheels.  Since the current occupant of the house next to
Harold Smith doesn't need m-o-w, it would seem that list would be worth
examining.

I don't know if this has come up before but...

You will recall that Major Briggs described a vision he had to his son.
Could the place in the vision be the White Lodge?

Lee

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I found this in the _L.A. Times_ late last year, but
thought that it would still be useful:

"Relief for Peakies: 'Twin Peaks' freaks who miss an
episode of the increasingly complicated ABC series
can dial the Twin Peaks Sheriff's Office Hotline for
an update of the doings of Kyle MacLachlan's Agent
Dale Cooper and the rest of the gang.  Receptionist
Lucy Moran, Deputy Andy and Dr. Haywood will provide
information about the previous week's episode and an
unidentified mystery voice will disclose new
information and provide clues on events likely to
arise.  The telephone recording will be changed
weekly, with new information on line Sunday
mornings.  But, being a "Peaks" groupie doesn't come
cheap--calls are $2 for the first minute and $1 for
each additional minute.  The Twin Peaks Sheriff's
Office Hotline can be reached by dialing
1-900-860-0911."

And now for the "other such stuff":

I know that there is _Laura Palmer's Secret Diary_,
"The Tapes of Agent Dale Cooper", the "Twin Peaks"
soundtrack, the Julee Cruise album "Floating Into
the Night" (which features some songs that weren't
in the ^TP^ soundtrack), David Lynch's "Industrial
Symphony No. 1" (videos from "Floating Into the
Night", and ^TP^ T-shirts.  Questions: What do each
of the T-shirts look like?  Where can I find the
^TP^ posters?  (I saw one in the background of a
photo in _Newsweek_ last year)  Is there a ^TP^ 1991
Calendar?  Is there any other ^TP^ merchandise that
I'm missing?

Last month, Kyle MacLaughlin and Lara Flynn Boyle
were scheduled to be in A.R. Gurney's play "Love
Letters", which is currently playing in Beverly
Hills (I had tickets!!!)  But they had to cancel at
the last minute because Lara was offered a movie
deal.  Comments: I was so depressed (I called ahead
of time to see if they were still playing) that I
didn't even see their replacements, Scott Valentine
and Melissa Gilbert, even though I had tickets.  Oh
well, I hope Lara's movie deal goes through.

Last week, I saw David Lynch's "Wild at Heart", and
noticed that there were five people on "Twin Peaks"
who were in there: David Patrick Kelly (Jerry
Horne), Grace Zabriskie (Sarah Palmer), Sherilyn
Fenn (Audrey Horne), Jack Nance (Pete Martell), and
Sheryl Lee (Laura Palmer/Madeleine Ferguson).
Question: Am I missing anyone else?

*POTENTIAL SPOILER*
I saw the 1/12 episode of ^TP^, and now I have some
questions that I hope can be answered (as well as
some comments): What was Lucy looking for before she
answered the phone?  Does Hawk have a thing for
Mayor Milford's brother's widow?  (Or was I just
imagining that?)  Bob appears to be in Nicky now, or
will soon be.  Reason: Leland was a boy when Bob
possessed him.  Also, Nicky's parents were murdered,
and he is traumatized from that.  And trouble
follows him wherever he goes.  Perfect for Bob.

Answers to my questions/comments on my comments can
either be posted here or to me:

6600koga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu
6600koga@ucsbuxa.bitnet


--Thanks in advance,
  Jeff "Koganuts" Koga
 
                                 










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In article <18892@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
> >Remember the Man in the Window in Episode #2004 (10/20/90)?  The one looking
> >in and watching Harry boinking Josie?  Remember the arguments here about
> >whether that person was Pete or Jonathan (the Mysterious Asian Gentleman #2)?
> >
> >Well, it just occurred to me regarding this mystery man, in the light of
> >recent revelations...
> >
> >could he have been...

> >Andrew Packard?!
> >

Hey, I called this one at the time (semi-facetiously, to be sure), suggesting
"Andrew Packard, back from his boat trip" as an alternative to the ongoing 
Pete/Jonathan debate. But I'd bet on it at this point. There was never any
supporting reference to the fact that either Pete or Jonathan were the watcher,
but A.P. probably has nothing better to do than lurk around and peek through
windows at the lodge while everyone thinks he's dead...



--
Barry Eynon
barry@playfair.stanford.edu

This season's opening show reminded me of the opening shot of
Leland's wake: all those appetizers spread out for the picking.
The show whetted my appetite by showing an array of characters and
situations, some of which at least had to pique my fancy.
 
Some of the situations don't interest me much but some do and I'll
keep watching to see what happens.  I definitely have an appetite 
for another season of Twin Peaks.

Am I the only one who was thrown off by the past months worth of
Peakless Saturdays?  I completely forgot to tune in or set the
recorder this week.  I'm sure there are many of you out there
in the same position.

Could someone please forward an account of any important events or
notable dialogs to me, either via e-mail or posting here.
It would be greatly appreciated.

lecl@quads.uchicago.edu (elizabeth e. leclair) writes:
> >--   Crticism of the week:  I'm dissapointed that we now have yet another
> >     battered wife in the show.  The James subplot is bad enough without
> >     still more intimations and/or displays of woman-beating, as we had in
> >     the Shelley-Leo encounters.  I guess now that Leo is spitting up soup
> >     the writers felt we had to return to the maintain the previous quotient
> >     by providing yet another beautiful female trapped by her husband,
> >     ready to be saved by her boyfriend.  Sick and pointless.

I have this feeling that that whole subplot is going to be a BODY HEAT
type of setup.  James is probably being set up as the fall guy in a
scheme to murder the rich woman's husband.  Her "brother" probably
isn't really her brother at all; more likely he's her lover.  She
married for the money.  Now the wife and the "brother" are conspiring
to convince James of abuse that isn't really happening.  When James
met her at the bar, she was probably trolling for someone dumb-looking
to play the dupe in a scheme that will leave him a murder suspect.

Or maybe not.



-- Dennis Doubleday (dd@sei.cmu.edu) _ /| Software Engineering Institute \'o.O' Carnegie Mellon University ACK! PTHFT! =(___)= Pittsburgh, PA 15213 (412)268-5873 U

 Can someone please send me all of the chess moves already shown?

-lee p.

In article <8144@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600koga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Jeffrey Koga) writes:
> >
> >I know that there is _Laura Palmer's Secret Diary_,
> >"The Tapes of Agent Dale Cooper", the "Twin Peaks"
> >soundtrack, the Julee Cruise album "Floating Into
> >the Night" (which features some songs that weren't
> >in the ^TP^ soundtrack), David Lynch's "Industrial
> >Symphony No. 1" (videos from "Floating Into the
> >Night", and ^TP^ T-shirts.  Questions: What do each
> >of the T-shirts look like?  Where can I find the
> >^TP^ posters?  (I saw one in the background of a
> >photo in _Newsweek_ last year)  Is there a ^TP^ 1991
> >Calendar?  Is there any other ^TP^ merchandise that
> >I'm missing?
The Jan/Feb issue of ``Mother Jones'' has a small add on p.8:
                 MOVE TO
               TWIN PEAKS

Subscribe to the Twin Peaks Gazette and receive:

12 Monthly issues filled with ... [all sorts of stuff]
--
Your personal address in Twin Peaks
--
A genuine Twin Peaks Sheriff's department
coffee mug (for that darn fine cup of coffee!)

(ordering information deleted)

Written in Cooperation with 
David Lynch and Mark Frost
(c) 1990 Twin Peaks Productions, All rights reserved.
-- Peter Marshall, Manager (Academic Networking) CCS, NSC, U. of Western Ontario, London, Canada N6A 5B7 (519)661-2111x6032 peter.marshall@uwo.ca pm@uwovax (BITNET); peter@ria.uucp

lecl@quads.uchicago.edu (elizabeth e. leclair) writes:

> >        When the Major reappeared as a weary aviator, materializing in the
> >     midst of a blackout and reuniting with his wife--  wow.  What a terribly
> >     human, but at the same time otherworldy scene.  Who else besides the
> >     giant can come and go like that?

Lovely, lovely.  I know there's no real connection, but I instantly
thought of the `High Frontier' sequences from Gene Wolfe's novel `Free
Live Free'.

The TP production crew was *born* to film `Free Live Free'.
-- "SO be it! The fate of the UNIVERSE is in your hands!" "Talk about job-related stress."

In article <59940006@hpopd.pwd.hp.com> richardh@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Richard Hancock) writes:
> >Is "Jo" (== "Java"?) synonymous with good coffee in the USA? What about
> >Jamaican Blue Mountain?

No on all counts.

During World War II coffee was rationed, both for civilians and
soldiers.  There were several grades -- the lousier, the more available
in general.  Java and java-mocha ("jamoke") were blended in varying
proportions with chicory.  The worst stuff was called "Joe" because
that's what GIs usually drank.  "Cup o'java" was what you got in the
diner.  Ike and Monty got all the Jamaican Blue Mountain. :-)

I think Heinlein (a WWII type guy) laid out the hierarchy in one of
those books I read as an adolescent and wouldn't be caught dead with
now: Coffee, Java, Jamoke, Joe, and Carbon Remover.

Since no one has mentioned it yet, the brother talking to James
was pretty impressive for so lame a story line.

"I'm sorry, am I being obscure?" - maybe this is so obvious (a
reference to the show in general) that people weren't impressed,
but I thought it was hilarious.

Also, I had never seem _The_Hustler_ before tonight and was
pleasantly surprised to see Piper Laurie in it. I don't remember anyone 
on a.tv.tp mentioning this:  PL's character name is:  Sarah Packard!
In Twin Peaks, she was formerly Catherine Packard!  Yet another,
somewhat subtle, movie reference.

BTW, the new CBS/Fox letterboxed LD release of the Hustler is gorgeous!!!
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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OK, I got confused this week.  Was there previous mention of the project
that Briggs was working on in earlier episodes?  What's the deal with the 
"owls" and "monitors"?  And, do Coop and Truman really know more about the 
project than they're letting on?  Please point me to the episode which has 
these references, if it exists.

Gracias.

-Fen

"Into what I have said no gleam of reason has been allowed to intrude;
 and I can think of scarcely a single error, however ancient and obscure,
 which I have failed to propogate."

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In article <8144@hub.ucsb.edu>,
6600koga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Jeffrey Koga) writes:
> >
> > *POTENTIAL SPOILER*
> > I saw the 1/12 episode of ^TP^, and now I have some
> > questions that I hope can be answered (as well as
> > some comments): What was Lucy looking for before she
> > answered the phone?  Does Hawk have a thing for
> > Mayor Milford's brother's widow?  (Or was I just
> > imagining that?)  Bob appears to be in Nicky now, or
> > will soon be.  Reason: Leland was a boy when Bob
> > possessed him.  Also, Nicky's parents were murdered,
> > and he is traumatized from that.  And trouble
> > follows him wherever he goes.  Perfect for Bob.

Our TP-group watched and debated this as well -- and my immediate
reaction to the Kid was "He's Bob!"  However, the rest of the
gang disagreed with me, feeling little Nicky was something else
entirly -- and that Bob will *not* be that easy to spot, nor will
we see him so soon.

> > Answers to my questions/comments on my comments can
> > either be posted here or to me:
> >
> > 6600koga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu
> > 6600koga@ucsbuxa.bitnet
> >
> >
> >                      --Thanks in advance,
> >                        Jeff "Koganuts" Koga



Eric, Lord Sabre
|-------------

"Bob is God," --honest quote from the Maine Summer Humanities Program,
in 1985, at Bowdoin College.

In article <36632921@bfmny0.BFM.COM> tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes:

> >ensemble.  It is, in fact, HILL STREET BLUES meets DARK SHADOWS.  And I

Yes, _Hill Street Blues_ meets _Dark Shadows_ on the set of Whitley
Strieber's _Communion_.


> > * Anyway, they can do anything they want to, I don't care: I got the
> >Major back!

Better give him an MRI scan and make sure he doesn't have any brain
implants.  "The implications of this go so far beyond *national* security
it makes the Cold War look like a case of the sniffles!"


--
  From the disk of:   | jms@vanth.uucp     | "Glittering prizes and
Jim Shaffer, Jr.      | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | endless compromises
37 Brook Street       | 72750.2335@compuserve.com    | shatter the illusion of
Montgomery, PA 17752  | (CompuServe as a last resort)| integrity!"  (Rush)

In article <1991Jan13.063910.17648@isis.cs.du.edu> rcarter@isis.cs.du.edu (Ron Carter) writes:

> >And how come Bobby never noticed Dad's "trips" before? The Major sayss
> >"How long -this- time?" (My emphasis) ie this ain't the first time.

Maybe whatever took him brought him back soon after he left.  If he has to
ask how long he's been gone, maybe time doesn't flow at the same rate where
he's been.  Maybe whatever took him can travel in time.

Or maybe Bobby's just been preoccupied with something else.

--
  From the disk of:   | jms@vanth.uucp     | "Glittering prizes and
Jim Shaffer, Jr.      | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | endless compromises
37 Brook Street       | 72750.2335@compuserve.com    | shatter the illusion of
Montgomery, PA 17752  | (CompuServe as a last resort)| integrity!"  (Rush)

SPOILERS for 12 Jan 91 show follow:






Are you sure?





Finally, a significant improvement from the post-WKLP era, to wit:

1. Best quote from show: Denise saying...

"Hey, I may wear a dress, but I put on my panties one leg at a time."

or words to that effect. 

2. Best scene: A tie between the whole "menage-a-trois" scene with Coop,
Denise, and Audrey and the sheriff's office scene with Harry, Andy, et al,
hobnobbing with Dougie's widow. 

3. Is Nicky (the bratty kid) the next coming of Damien Omen II or a new
BOB-vehicle? The sinister tire-changing scene and the background music
made me wonder...

4. What costume is Ben "Stonewall Jackson" Horne going to put on next?
I can't help thinking that Richard Beymer having a blast with this role....
it shows.

5. Bobby Briggs has my vote as the dimmest bulb on the show (even dumber than
James, if that's possible).

6. Question: What was the fabric badge that Coop was holding? Looked like
a fir tree with a sword in the background...

7. Nuther question: Was the domino that, I assume Hank, was holding from
One-Eyed Jacks? What was the significance of bothering to show it?

8. Most intriguing scene: Major Briggs rematerialization...where has he been?
And Where is he going?...cue Twilight Zone theme, fade to black...

The following article appeared in the Jan./Feb. 1991 edition of the Utne
Reader. This magazine provides an excellent overview of the plethora of
alternative magazines that are currently available. It is being published
without the permission of the Utne Reader.

============================================================================

Is David Lynch Creepier Than His Movies?

  David Lynch, whose strange imagination is behind the dark, disturbing film
BLUE VELVET, the much-lauded television show TWIN PEAKS, and the bizarre 
Cannes film festival winner WILD AT HEART, has been widely praised as one of 
the era's most gifted directors-a creative genius whose inimitable surrealist
style makes him the reigning leader of intellectual, avant-garde filmmaking.

  Lynch is know for his dreamlike manipulation of images and for what the
right-wing NATIONAL REVIEW (Oct. 1, 1990) lists as his trademark themes:
death, violence, mutilation, deformity, sex, kinkiness, and secret traumas.
In his most recent works, Lynch takes the viewer into what he calls the
"dark underside of middle America," where nothing is quite as it seems:
Middle-class college boy finds a human ear and somehow gets mixed up with 
the victim of a psychotic rapist-both of them from the wrong side of the 
tracks (BLUE VELVET); a picturesque small town is plaqued by seductive women,
wife-beaters, and the murder of a homecoming queen with mysterious 
connections to the drug world (TWIN PEAKS); the innocent love of a young 
couple is threatened by an evil, deranged mother and white-trash killers 
(WILD AT HEART).

  So far Lynch has enjoyed a barrage of favorable media attention and the
cultlike adoration of white, "hip", college-educated people who normally
shun anything as lowbrow as television but tune in religiously to TWIN PEAKS.
Why would an upper middle-class audience develop such a fascination with a 
troubled, shocking world so different from their own? Stuart Klawans, writing
in THE NATION (Sept. 17, 1990), points out the irony in Lynch's voyuerism and
the audience for whom it is intended: "The poor get locked out of their jobs,
get tossed out of their homes, get shot by stray bullets at the rate of once
a day; and the college-educated play at wanting to be disturbed."

  Fans aren't the only ones raging over Lynch. Some critics see his work as
misogynist, elitist and racist and believe his admittedly conservative politics
are somehow connected. The principal charge against Lynch is glamarization of
sexual violence. As feminist film critic Kathi Maio points out in Ms.
(Sept./Oct. 1990), Lynch has a disturbing habit of casting women as victims in
sadomasochistic scenarios. Consider that most female characters on TWIN PEAKS
are beautiful, "promiscuous" young women who are routinely murdered, tortured,
beaten, and manipulated by men, while the rest of the women are depicted as
old and mentally ill. Critic Tony Alterman, writing in the radical newspaper 
THE GUARDIAN (Sept. 12, 1990), charges Lynch with presenting the dangerous
idea that rape can be sexy in a particularly offensive scene in WILD AT HEART.
Perhaps more disturbing than any Lynch film is his explanation of Dorothy, the
passive victim of sexual, physical, and psychological abuse in BLUE VELVET. 
In an interview in the British magazine BLITZ (Aug. 1990), Lynch says: "There 
are some women that you want to hit because you're getting a feeling from them
that they want it, or maybe they upset you in a certain way. I see this 
happening. But I don't really understand it."

  The personal politics of any creative artist have a way of creeping into
the art, and Lynch is no exception. His adoration of Ronald Reagan is no 
secret, and, according to Judith Lewis of the Minneapolis alternative weekly
CITY PAGES (Aug. 15, 1990), Lynch "misses the '50s, deifies Elvis Presley,
and loves all things American." Yet in an interview, Lynch is unable to 
account for the contents of his work, unwilling to explain how his personal
views fit into his films or TWIN PEAKS. Lewis is just one critic who has a 
hunch. She writes: "The demons in Lynch's imagination jibe well with 
neo-conservative paranoia, from the war on drugs to the fear of black folk
(unless they work in your dad's hardware store, as they do in BLUE VELVET) and
the danger of seductive women. In every film, his criminals are poor white
trash types who must be eliminated-never understood-before the world can
be put back in order."

  What David Lynch does know is that he is afraid. As he admitted to 
ROLLING STONE (Sept. 6, 1990), he's afraid that "so many people are 
participating in strange and horrible things-you begin to worry that the 
peaceful, happy life could vanish or be threatened." And who wouldn't be 
afraid? Real-life stories of violence, rape, psychotic killings, sexual
perversities, and other heinous crimes permeate the headlines daily. 
Strangely enough, they never attract any real, root-cause examination in
Lynch's work.

  Lynch's success has been explained as a talent for dipping into the 
collective unconscious. What else can explain why so many have so 
suddenly become so enthralled with a world where everyone is abnormal, 
where everyone is handicapped, mentally or physically, where violence and
rape are everyday occurrences? Media scholars constantly debate whether
film and television are reflections of society or forces shaping it. 
Either way, when someone like David Lynch becomes a popular icon, his 
anti-female, anti-minority, anti-poor folks, avant-garde fantasy world
becomes truely frightening. Then again, as Ella Taylor of LA WEEKLY 
(Aug. 17, 1990) points out, "Maybe we should be grateful that Lynch
empties the contents of his murky, endlessly inventive head into film
and not into public office."

========================================================================

Jim Southern
Workstation Products Development
OCLC, Inc.
Dublin, Ohio 43017
Internet: jds@rsch.oclc.org

In article <1991Jan14.155523.18795@midway.uchicago.edu>, pbhx@ellis.uchicago.edu (Peter B. Hayward) writes:
> > If anyone digitizes the line from 1/12 where Denise says:
> > 
> > "I may be wearing a dress, but I put on my panties one leg
> > at a time, know what I mean?"

The kicker was Cooper responding "I don't think so..."

In article <1991Jan14.050659.14881@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:
> >lecl@quads.uchicago.edu (elizabeth e. leclair) writes:
> >
>> >>        When the Major reappeared as a weary aviator, materializing in the
>> >>     midst of a blackout and reuniting with his wife--  wow.  What a terribly
>> >>     human, but at the same time otherworldy scene.  Who else besides the
>> >>     giant can come and go like that?
> >
Well, creamed corn can come and go like that.  So could Jonathan Livingston
Seagull. The recent work of the author who wrote JLS features an aviator
who is also a spiritual leader.
 
Another oddity. From his garb (leather hat and silk scarf) our crowd guessed
that he was dressed as a WWI aviator. Either he is travelling in time or else
he keeps some old clothes in a closet of the White Lodge.
 
a.h.

If anyone digitizes the line from 1/12 where Denise says:

"I may be wearing a dress, but I put on my panties one leg
at a time, know what I mean?"

Please, please please send me a copy. Thanks!
--
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Peter B. Hayward                                               WX9T          
University of Chicago Computing Organizations

I think that BOB may be slowly gaining hold of someone
we already know. If so, the clues will be subtle and minimal,
as they were with Leland.  Remember how Leland's hair turned
white?
 
Well, the only character whose hair seems to be graying noticably
is Dick Tremaine.  Now mind you, I can't really believe that BOB
would chose Dick as a host, but there was that sudden change
of heart and sudden desire to be near an innocent child!   Hmmmm.
 
a.h.

I defend Ben against charges that he is the new host for BOB.
I see his current condition as a natural and somewhat healthy
response to shock. He is returning to his roots in childhood.
But this episode shows that there is definitely a negative side
to this 'mental breakthrough' as he seems to be developing a touch
of megalomania (ego-inflation) to balance the recent humiliations
he has suffered.
 
a.h.

We enjoyed a lively Twin Peaks party last night watching the first
episode in weeks, and one of the participants pointed out that the
fight between Evelyn and her husband in the big house should not have
been audible to James, especially during such a loud storm.
 
At first I thought that was nit picking and felt that the writers had
just taken a bit of 'artistic license' with the situation. But then 
we all began to wonder and eventually we agreed that probably
James was listening to a tape recording of a phoney fight and that James
is indeed being set up.
 
a.h.

First there was The Old Nick (the devil) and now there is little Nick.
 
Is little Nickie a little devil?
 
Those of us (in our little clique of peak heads) who are interested in
psychic phenomena feel that Nick is probably one of several
types: 1)  a carrier of a poltergeist - usually an unhappy early-adolescent
around whom malicious pranks are performed, apparently by a spirit.

2)  gifted with conscious telekinetic ability which he secretly uses to
destroy the adults around him

3) cursed with unconscious telekinetic ability related to unconscious
hostility towards adults around him.  
 
a.h.

The modern word "glamour" originally meant "a spell"
and I suspect that the widow Milford has the abilty
to cast a glamour over every man she meets.
 
Witness the fact that the coolest dude in Twin Peaks, Hawk,
fell for her hard and literally at first sight.
Witness the fact that not one but both of Lucy's admirers
forgot all about her on seeing the widow.
Witness the fact that not a single man in the sheriff's 
office, despite other attachments and varied tastes, seems to
be able to resist her charm.
 
a.h.

In article <yX1LV3w163w@toyshop.lonestar.org> fen@toyshop.lonestar.org (Gervase Fen) writes:

> >In the midst of the month-long TP deprivation, I had a special treat last
> >night.  A friend and I rented Agatha Christie's "Appointment with Death,"
> >starring none other than Piper Laurie!

> >The movie itself was excellent (I'm partial to mysteries, you understand),

So am I.  However (see below)....

> >and Piper had a wonderful role as the evil stepmother who ends up getting
> >herself bumped off.  Wow!

Meaty role, but Piper really wasn't up to playing the all-powerful
family dowager/villainess.  It's one of the most inadequate pieces of
acting (from someone who's usually good) that I can recall seeing.
Her lack of power in the role pretty much wrecks the movie IMHO.

Jon Alan Conrad

In article <3906@eastapps.East.Sun.COM> bdowning@otc.UUCP () writes:
> >
> >Finally, a significant improvement from the post-WKLP era, to wit:
> >
> >1. Best quote from show: Denise saying...
> >
> >"Hey, I may wear a dress, but I put on my panties one leg at a time."
> >
> >or words to that effect. 

"... if you know what I mean."

> >5. Bobby Briggs has my vote as the dimmest bulb on the show (even dumber than
> >James, if that's possible).

Dumber than Andy?



--Mike



-- Mike Godwin, (617) 864-0665 | Rick Blaine's Haiku: mnemonic@eff.org | "Of all the gin joints Electronic Frontier | In all the burgs in the world Foundation | She walks into mine."

In article <3906@eastapps.East.Sun.COM>, bdowning@otc.East.Sun.COM (Bill Downing - Sun BOS Human Resources) writes:
> > SPOILERS for 12 Jan 91 show follow:
> > 
> > 1. Best quote from show: Denise saying...
> > 
> > "Hey, I may wear a dress, but I put on my panties one leg at a time."
> > 
> > or words to that effect. 

Our TP gang thought that Hawk had the winner with "When something big
goes down, I'm the man."

> > 6. Question: What was the fabric badge that Coop was holding? Looked like
> > a fir tree with a sword in the background...

The bookhouse boys patch Truman gave him at the end of the WKLP plot.

> > 7. Nuther question: Was the domino that, I assume Hank, was holding from
> > One-Eyed Jacks? What was the significance of bothering to show it?

The number changes as he offs people.  Could be he's about to strike again.

--Cool Bean
-- **This is not cultural.

In article <8144@hub.ucsb.edu>, 6600koga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Jeffrey Koga) says:
> >
> > Various Stuff Deleted

> >*POTENTIAL SPOILER*
> >I saw the 1/12 episode of ^TP^, and now I have some
> >questions that I hope can be answered (as well as
> >some comments): What was Lucy looking for before she
> >answered the phone?

I'm not sure, but did anyone else get an eerie feeling as Lucy walked
around the deserted sherrif's office?  It seemed a little surreal to me.

> >Does Hawk have a thing for Mayor Milford's brother's widow?  (Or was I just
> >imagining that?)

I think every man in that office had a thing for the little widow.

> >Bob appears to be in Nicky now, or
> >will soon be.  Reason: Leland was a boy when Bob
> >possessed him.  Also, Nicky's parents were murdered,
> >and he is traumatized from that.  And trouble
> >follows him wherever he goes.  Perfect for Bob.

I thought that at first, especially regarding the car suddenly falling
on Dick (I found that scene very funny), but when visions of little
red devils began dancing in Andy's head I figured it was another
red herring. It is just too obvious that Nicky is one of Bob's children,
isn't it?



Linda
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|> 7. Nuther question: Was the domino that, I assume Hank, was holding from
|> One-Eyed Jacks? What was the significance of bothering to show it?

     I'll answer these (as will, I suppose, multitudinous others):

     6.  The badge is that of the Bookhouse Boys.  Coop got it when he was
             'leaving'.
     7.  It showed you that it was Hank without showing you it was Hank.
           Film Art 101 stuff.

In article <P0aPV1w164w@halcyon.uucp> halcyon!hikaru@sumax.seattleu.edu (Demosthenes) writes:
> >Speaking of 
> >Audrey- did she kiss him and say "thank you" because she was thrilled 
> >that there were "female agents," or because (at least as far as she was 
> >concerned) Cooper was acting like a normal human being for a change? 

Neither. She kissed him to let Denise know that Coop was spoken for.


--Mike


-- Mike Godwin, (617) 864-0665 | Rick Blaine's Haiku: mnemonic@eff.org | "Of all the gin joints Electronic Frontier | In all the burgs in the world Foundation | She walks into mine."

In article <1991Jan13.145317.20926@midway.uchicago.edu>, lecl@quads.uchicago.edu (elizabeth e. leclair) writes...
> >     Finally, when Mrs. Briggs is sitting up on the sofa during the
> >     ominous storm (when was the last time you saw HER?), we get her sense
> >     of loss, but at the same time we know she knows more than we do about
> >     the Major's abilities and his disappearences.  

Actually it hasn't been very long since we've seen Mrs. Briggs. IN the
previous episode she was in a scene with Cooper and Truman discussing the Major's
disappearance. In that scene, she says it not the 1st time the Major has disappeared
suddenly. She also hints that it is related to his miltary position!!!

---
Jim Halpinj_halpin@turkey.dec.com
--or-- ...!decwrl!turkey.dec.com!j_halpin
--or-- j_halpin%turkey.dec@decwrl.dec.com
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In article <10027@as0c.sei.cmu.edu>, dd@sei.cmu.edu (Dennis Doubleday) says:
> >
Various stuff deleted

> >I have this feeling that that whole subplot is going to be a BODY HEAT
> >type of setup.  James is probably being set up as the fall guy in a
> >scheme to murder the rich woman's husband.  Her "brother" probably
> >isn't really her brother at all; more likely he's her lover.  She
> >married for the money.  Now the wife and the "brother" are conspiring
> >to convince James of abuse that isn't really happening.  When James
> >met her at the bar, she was probably trolling for someone dumb-looking
> >to play the dupe in a scheme that will leave him a murder suspect.

I agree throughout every scene at the mansion I felt like I was watching
an old movie (particularly a Lana Turner movie, the first one that came
to my mind was the Postman Always Rings Twice, but I knew that wasn't it).

If she was looking for a dupe, she couldn't have done better.  Maybe
that is why James has always been portrayed as such a twit. It was
all part of the story line and he really isn't that bad :).


Linda
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1.  Dead Dog Farm:  Has anyone heard of a previous reference to
                    Dead Dog Farm, either on the show or somewhere
                    else?

    With the surreal way it was introduced, I have a feeling it
    will probably be significant later in the show.  (Then again,
    maybe not - could have only been the Gods showing Cooper how
    to get out of his cocaine mess.  Only Cooper would want to buy a
    farm named Dead Dog).

2.  Wasn't Major Briggs decked out in fishing gear when he disappeared
    into the white light?  Did he end up in an intergalatic menswear
    store?

    The outdated flight gear he was wearing on his return seems to be
    pointing more and more to visitors from space
    (reminded me of Close Encounters when the missing airmen returned).
    Yet the man from the airforce told Cooper and Truman that the owl
    messages originated from Twin Peaks not space (although he was
    vague on where they were being sent to).

    I too, am glad the Major has returned.  The last scene with he and
    his wife was quite touching (him stroking her hair and all) and the
    way he said that things were not alright certainly leads one to
    believe that Twin Peaks is heading for some serious trouble.

3.  Where is Jerry Horne?

    Ben certainly appears to have lost it, although he seems to be
    regaining some of his deviousness with the enlistment of Bobby.
    But where is Jerry?  Ben could use his brother's help right
    now more than anyone elses (and I could use a dose of Jerry's
    insanity).

    Speaking of Bobby, what a coincidence that Ben set Bobby after
    Hank on the very day Hank was meeting with the Cooper Conspirators.

4.  Is the new Mrs. Milford a witch?

    Personally, I hope this whole subplot was for comic relief.  The
    same goes for Little Nicky being the devil.

5.  Is Hank going to kill Ed?

    He didn't seem too happy about Ed and Norma and was twirling his
    dice which has always been an ominous sign.

Other comments:

James and Mrs. Marsh give new meaning to the word wooden, but I think
the brother/chauffeur has the potential of being a very interesting
character - "Am I being obscure?".

Donna seems to be as tired of Nadine/Mike as I am.

Denise is by far and away my favourite character.

It wasn't the best, but after three weeks it was nice just to hear the
theme music.


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Coop's fabric badge is, as far as I am aware, his emblem as member of the
BookHouse Boys - am I off base on this?

vik

--
" Ooooh .... Big Woo "
Suzanne Sugarbaker upon shooting Anthony Bouvier

]From 3cpu!percy!qiclab!pdxgate!tektronix!zephyr.ens.tek.com!uunet!bu.edu!att!linac!midway!quads.uchicago.edu!lecl Mon Jan 14 10:19:32 PST 1991
]
]
]    First, a brief editorial comment on the return of TP:        
]
]AAAAAALLLLLLLRRRIIIIIIIIGGGGHHHHTTT, BAAAABBY!
]
]   There were about twenty people gathered in festive mood for our ritual
]of cultural renewal (i.e., watching TP) in the big-screen television room
]last night.  It's a social experience that goes a long way.      
]
]   My thoughts:
]
]  -- In a single episode, Major Briggs has, IMHO, become the central figure
]     of mystery in the town of Twin Peaks.  Remember the first few episdoes
]     when he was just a mere militaristic shell, commander of a disfuntional
]     family?  The narrative style developing his character has been patient 
]     and great.  First his revelead "vision" to Bobby-- corny but it linked
]     him with other visionaries such as Coop.  Then the owl message, and much
]     later the conversation about the White Lodge.  During his absence, Lynch
]     indirectly builds his character into something big; note the scene 
]     where the Air Force commander suggests Briggs' capacity for some awesome
]     power.  Finally, when Mrs. Briggs is sitting up on the sofa during the
]     ominous storm (when was the last time you saw HER?), we get her sense
]     of loss, but at the same time we know she knows more than we do about
]     the Major's abilities and his disappearences.  

]
]        When the Major reappeared as a weary aviator, materializing in the
]     midst of a blackout and reuniting with his wife--  wow.  What a terribly
]     human, but at the same time otherworldy scene.  Who else besides the
]     giant can come and go like that?
]
]        The TP bonus question (besides "WHERE is BOB?") is "WHAT is Major
]     Briggs?"
I agree.  What the heck is Major Briggs anyway?  You forgot to mention the 
scene where he shows Cooper the "COOPER^3"  printout.  This also showed
him to be more then he had at first seemed.
]
]
]--   Crticism of the week:  I'm dissapointed that we now have yet another
]     battered wife in the show.  The James subplot is bad enough without
]     still more intimations and/or displays of woman-beating, as we had in
]     the Shelley-Leo encounters.  I guess now that Leo is spitting up soup
]     the writers felt we had to return to the maintain the previous quotient
]     by providing yet another beautiful female trapped by her husband,
]     ready to be saved by her boyfriend.  Sick and pointless.

I think it far more likely that James is being manipulated by (I can't remember
her name.)  and her brother.  I suspect that the story they are telling is 
atleast partially false.  We'll find out eventually I guess.  Of course,
I don't find myself caring very much about this subplot.  Compared to the Cooper
/Major Briggs one it is very dull.
]
]  Oh well, you win some, you lose some.  At least now there is some material
]  to talk about!
]
]Elizabeth E. LeClair
]International House
](Lecl@midway.uchicago.edu)
-- There is very little gray in the world. Most gray is an illusion, Meerly the result of many people's self sophistry combining, Until the truth is totally lost amongst the haze. pdxgate.cs.pdx.edu!agora!3cpu!kaberd!mke or mke@redsun.UUCP

Did anyone but me notice that the audio for the voice dropped out at several
different points during this TP?  I was watching it on videotape the day after
it aired and found that some scenes, most memorably the first scene with Ben
and Bobby, I could hear the "background" music loud and clear, but the dialogue
was extremely faint early on.  Also the scene with James and his new boss's
brother had some garbled dialogue.

Does it mean anything?  I don't think it was my VCR as my girlfriend who
lives in a different town taped it and noticed the same things on her tape.

In article <1080@sppy00.UUCP> jds@sppy00.UUCP (SOUTHERN JAMES D) writes:
> >
> >The following article appeared in the Jan./Feb. 1991 edition of the Utne
> >Reader. 
> >
> >Is David Lynch Creepier Than His Movies?
> >
(stuff deleted)

> >Why would an upper middle-class audience develop such a fascination with a 
> >troubled, shocking world so different from their own? 
 
Why does the writer assume that this Twin Peaks world is much different
from ordinary life?  It's remarkable like my world, as I see it, and I am
not a particularily unusual person.
 
> >....a world where everyone is abnormal, 
> >where everyone is handicapped, mentally or physically, where violence and
> >rape are everyday occurrences? Media scholars constantly debate whether
> >film and television are reflections of society or forces shaping it. 
> >Either way, when someone like David Lynch becomes a popular icon, his 
> >anti-female, anti-minority, anti-poor folks, avant-garde fantasy world
> >becomes truely frightening. 


If we don't already live in an anti-female, anti-minority, anti-poor folks
world, I'll  be very much surprised.
Everywhere I see injured and handicapped people who (and this is the really
scarey part) don't realize it. And everywhere I see wonderful excentrics
of the D Lynch sort. The norm does not exist.
 
a.h.

In article <3906@eastapps.East.Sun.COM> bdowning@otc.UUCP () writes:
> >SPOILERS for 12 Jan 91 show follow:
> >
> >Finally, a significant improvement from the post-WKLP era, to wit:
> >
> >3. Is Nicky (the bratty kid) the next coming of Damien Omen II or a new
> >BOB-vehicle? The sinister tire-changing scene and the background music
> >made me wonder...

This seems like too obvious a choice for BOB.  I'm used to more subtlety
from TP.  I saw the car going as Nickie walked away.  I thought that scene
as a whole was pretty hilarious.
> >
> >6. Question: What was the fabric badge that Coop was holding? Looked like
> >a fir tree with a sword in the background...

This is the Book House Boys patch that HST gave Coop the day he went on
the fishing trip with Major Briggs.

> >7. Nuther question: Was the domino that, I assume Hank, was holding from
> >One-Eyed Jacks? What was the significance of bothering to show it?

The domino is something that Hank has had since we first met him at his
parole hearing.  He sent a photocopy of it to Josie, so we know it means
something special to him.  (When he called her he sucked on it rather 
seductively.)  But for some reason I remember it being a 3-3 tile rather that
the 3-4 one he had in this episode.


As usual at the end of the episode I had more questions than answers!

My favorite thing was the realty agent explaining the name of the Dead Dog
Farm.  Does some one have the text from that?  Did you see Coop's smile?

"All you need in this life is (are?)   Guts, Distance, Symmetry."

In article <P0aPV1w164w@halcyon.uucp> halcyon!hikaru@sumax.seattleu.edu (Demosthenes) writes:

> >You know, they are still showing the Homecoming Queen picture of Laura at 
> >the end of the episodes - why are they still doing this? The Laura Palmer 
> >storyline is dead (uh, sorry, bad pun) and finished. But I just realized 

Not necessarily. Remember that (according to Mike), Bob was once
alive, and died a violent death. Laura had a strong spirit, and we may
yet see her again as an inhabiting spirit. (probably not though).

> > Now mind you, I can't really believe that BOB
> > would choose Dick as a host, but there was the sudden change
> > of heart and sudden desire to be near an innocent child!   Hmmmm.


... and his name *is* dick.


linda

I was catching up on movies over the holidays, and I saw something which
may explain who "Diane" is, or at least where the idea may have come from.
In the Rob Reiner - directed movie "Say Anything", Lloyd Dobler (John Cusack)
is in love with the high school valedictorian, Diane Cort (I forgot who played
Diane.) After she breaks up with him (and gives him a ball point pen, to
assuage his impending grief,) he starts driving around in his car at all hours
and recording his thoughts on a small, hand - held tape recorder. If I recall
correctly, he starts one of these "conversations" off by saying "Diane,...".
Recall that the first reference to "Diane" in TP is a shot of Cooper in his
car, about to enter Twin Peaks, speaking into his tape recorder.
This of course does not explain who "Diane" in TP is, or if she even exists,
just my $.02 worth.

Any comments to support or refute this, either to the email address below
or to the net, will be appreciated.

*--Ernst W. Mayer - GSRA, Aerospace Engineering/Applied Mathematics-*
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I've been trying to figure out why some people think that
Lynch's work, Twin Peaks in particular, is sexist.
 
Male characters predominate, but that is fair enough I think for
a cop show with a 50's feel.  Civilians seem to be almost
evenly divided by sex.  Young males are just as dumb as the
young females. But this is one lack. There are no strong middle-
aged females.  But I figure this is a necessary plot device.
If we had a strong mature woman in Twin Peaks (say like Jessica
in Murder She Wrote) she'd have the town's problem's solved in
an hour!
 
a.h.

1. Bobby tries again to blackmail Ben.  Ben is acting too weird for it to
take.  Eventually Ben hires Bobby to spy on Hank; Bobby is thrilled.
2. As Bobby leaves a lady is running down the hall screaming.
3. Cooper is discussing houses with a real estate agent (Irene).  A coin
flip leads him to like Dead Dog Pond, an estate with a mysterious past
where no one stays for long.
4. Andy, Dick and Lucy visit with Nickie's case worker.  Nickie is an orphan
who has been through many foster homes, and is the victim of "persistent
misfortune".
5. Harry breaks up the meeting calling Andy to an emergency at the Great
Northern.
6. Harry, Doc Hayward and Andy investigate Dougie Milford, dead in his hotel
bed.  Dwayne comes in and grieves, accusing the wife (Judy?) of murder by
sex.  Andy doesn't cry.
7. In the hallway, Hawk is talking/flirting with the widow.
8. Nadine has joined the wrestling team and takes Mike in one fall while
asking him out.
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9. Mike complains to Donna about Nadine.
10. James meets Malcolm Sloan, who is Evelyn Marsh's brother, Jeffrey Marsh's
driver.  He says Marsh abuses Evelyn.
11. At Dead Dog Pond, Cooper notices some tire tracks: "A Jeep, a four-
wheeler and a luxury sedan," he declares.  In the house he declares a
meeting took place earlier that day, and he finds cocaine dust.
12. Dick fixes a flat while Nickie is irritating.  While Nickie is not
touching the car and facing the other way, the car falls off the jack.
Nickie panics and runs to hug Dick (who is unhurt).
13. Cooper comes to tell Harry about Dead Dog Pond, but instead visits
with an Air Force Colonel investigating Major Briggs.  Briggs is a great
pilot.  "The owls are not what they seem" was broadcast from earth, not
deep space -- maybe from the White Lodge ("That's classified").
14. James and Evelyn flirt and kiss.  James encourages her to leave her
husband but she refuses.  When Jeffrey comes home she runs to greet him.
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15. Bobby, returning to Ben's office with photos, sees Audrey who flirts
with him but doesn't kiss him.  Audrey goes to her secret listening place.
16. Ben, who is working on a civil war model ("Gettysburg, day 1"), accepts
photos from Bobby and gives him a raise.
17. Pete and Catherine enjoy a romantic meal, served by Josie in a maid
outfit.  Pete is bothered by Catherine's treatment of Josie, but is having
too much fun to make an issue of it.
18. Cooper brings Diane up to date.  Cooper did in fact respond to Earle's
chess opening by publishing his response, "P-Q4", in the classifieds.
19. In another triumph of due process and the rule of law, Audrey knocks
and offers Cooper Bobby's photos she has just stolen from her father's office.
Cooper identifies them as Hank, Ernie, Jean Renault and the mountie, meeting
at Dead Dog Pond.  Denise comes in, making Audrey jealous (IMO).  Audrey kisses
Cooper on her way out.  Cooper briefs Denise.
Denise: [your biggest problem is] how old is that girl?
Cooper: I wouldn't think you would be interested in a girl like that.
Denise: I may wear a dress but I still put my panties on one leg at a time,
        if you know what I mean.
(Above is very approximate.)
20. Since Ed's role of mugging and saying golly to Nadine's actions has been
taken over by Mike, the writer's are trying to resurrect the old Ed.  Here,
he looks depressed in the diner, prompting Norma to suggest they can still
be friends and to take his hand, all this secretly witnessed by Hank.
21. (This may be out of sequence.) Denise confronts Ernie in the diner with
the photo.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
(evening, it is beginning to rain.)
22. Dick tells Andy he thinks Nickie is the devil.
23. In Harry's office, Dwayne continues to accuse Judy of murder.  Doc is
present.
24. In the hallway, all the men watch Judy being escorted to a room; they
begin collectively reciting Shakespeare.
25. I believe in a room in the great northern, with lights out and lightning
flashing, Cooper and Denise interrogate Ernie.  They apparently want to let
him off, using him to catch the big guys.  Denise (presumably as Dennis) will
pose as a buyer from Seattle and Ernie will arrange for a deal between Renault
and Dennis.
26. (Again, may be out of sequence) Lucy tries to call the sheriff to the
phone, but gets no response.  She eventually finds all the men literally
spellbound by Judy telling stories.
27. James hears Evelyn and Jeffrey fighting.  Malcolm declares to James, "I'll
kill him."
28. Bobby goes home (the Briggs house) to find his mother sitting in the dark
grieving over the Major's disappearance.  Bobby tells his mother about the
Major's dream (related in the diner a few episodes ago.)  Suddenly the major
materializes in the house, wearing a vintage pilot's outfit (leather jacket
and goggles) and asking how long he's been gone.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Post your corrections, clarifications and extensions.  BTW I probably won't
get to watch this week, we need a volunteer to do this next week.  Also if
anyone is willing to do this all the time, preferably on Saturday or Sunday,
instead of waiting for me on Monday that is fine with me.

Bob

The following article appeared in the Jan./Feb. 1991 edition of the Utne
Reader. This magazine provides an excellent overview of the plethora of
alternative magazines that are currently available. It is being published
without the permission of the Utne Reader.

============================================================================

Is David Lynch Creepier Than His Movies?

  David Lynch, whose strange imagination is behind the dark, disturbing film
BLUE VELVET, the much-lauded television show TWIN PEAKS, and the bizarre 
Cannes film festival winner WILD AT HEART, has been widely praised as one of 
the era's most gifted directors-a creative genius whose inimitable surrealist
style makes him the reigning leader of intellectual, avant-garde filmmaking.

  Lynch is know for his dreamlike manipulation of images and for what the
right-wing NATIONAL REVIEW (Oct. 1, 1990) lists as his trademark themes:
death, violence, mutilation, deformity, sex, kinkiness, and secret traumas.
In his most recent works, Lynch takes the viewer into what he calls the
"dark underside of middle America," where nothing is quite as it seems:
Middle-class college boy finds a human ear and somehow gets mixed up with 
the victim of a psychotic rapist-both of them from the wrong side of the 
tracks (BLUE VELVET); a picturesque small town is plaqued by seductive women,
wife-beaters, and the murder of a homecoming queen with mysterious 
connections to the drug world (TWIN PEAKS); the innocent love of a young 
couple is threatened by an evil, deranged mother and white-trash killers 
(WILD AT HEART).

  So far Lynch has enjoyed a barrage of favorable media attention and the
cultlike adoration of white, "hip", college-educated people who normally
shun anything as lowbrow as television but tune in religiously to TWIN PEAKS.
Why would an upper middle-class audience develop such a fascination with a 
troubled, shocking world so different from their own? Stuart Klawans, writing
in THE NATION (Sept. 17, 1990), points out the irony in Lynch's voyuerism and
the audience for whom it is intended: "The poor get locked out of their jobs,
get tossed out of their homes, get shot by stray bullets at the rate of once
a day; and the college-educated play at wanting to be disturbed."

  Fans aren't the only ones raging over Lynch. Some critics see his work as
misogynist, elitist and racist and believe his admittedly conservative politics
are somehow connected. The principal charge against Lynch is glamarization of
sexual violence. As feminist film critic Kathi Maio points out in Ms.
(Sept./Oct. 1990), Lynch has a disturbing habit of casting women as victims in
sadomasochistic scenarios. Consider that most female characters on TWIN PEAKS
are beautiful, "promiscuous" young women who are routinely murdered, tortured,
beaten, and manipulated by men, while the rest of the women are depicted as
old and mentally ill. Critic Tony Alterman, writing in the radical newspaper 
THE GUARDIAN (Sept. 12, 1990), charges Lynch with presenting the dangerous
idea that rape can be sexy in a particularly offensive scene in WILD AT HEART.
Perhaps more disturbing than any Lynch film is his explanation of Dorothy, the
passive victim of sexual, physical, and psychological abuse in BLUE VELVET. 
In an interview in the British magazine BLITZ (Aug. 1990), Lynch says: "There 
are some women that you want to hit because you're getting a feeling from them
that they want it, or maybe they upset you in a certain way. I see this 
happening. But I don't really understand it."

  The personal politics of any creative artist have a way of creeping into
the art, and Lynch is no exception. His adoration of Ronald Reagan is no 
secret, and, according to Judith Lewis of the Minneapolis alternative weekly
CITY PAGES (Aug. 15, 1990), Lynch "misses the '50s, deifies Elvis Presley,
and loves all things American." Yet in an interview, Lynch is unable to 
account for the contents of his work, unwilling to explain how his personal
views fit into his films or TWIN PEAKS. Lewis is just one critic who has a 
hunch. She writes: "The demons in Lynch's imagination jibe well with 
neo-conservative paranoia, from the war on drugs to the fear of black folk
(unless they work in your dad's hardware store, as they do in BLUE VELVET) and
the danger of seductive women. In every film, his criminals are poor white
trash types who must be eliminated-never understood-before the world can
be put back in order."

  What David Lynch does know is that he is afraid. As he admitted to 
ROLLING STONE (Sept. 6, 1990), he's afraid that "so many people are 
participating in strange and horrible things-you begin to worry that the 
peaceful, happy life could vanish or be threatened." And who wouldn't be 
afraid? Real-life stories of violence, rape, psychotic killings, sexual
perversities, and other heinous crimes permeate the headlines daily. 
Strangely enough, they never attract any real, root-cause examination in
Lynch's work.

  Lynch's success has been explained as a talent for dipping into the 
collective unconscious. What else can explain why so many have so 
suddenly become so enthralled with a world where everyone is abnormal, 
where everyone is handicapped, mentally or physically, where violence and
rape are everyday occurrences? Media scholars constantly debate whether
film and television are reflections of society or forces shaping it. 
Either way, when someone like David Lynch becomes a popular icon, his 
anti-female, anti-minority, anti-poor folks, avant-garde fantasy world
becomes truely frightening. Then again, as Ella Taylor of LA WEEKLY 
(Aug. 17, 1990) points out, "Maybe we should be grateful that Lynch
empties the contents of his murky, endlessly inventive head into film
and not into public office."

========================================================================

Jim Southern
Workstation Products Development
OCLC, Inc.
Dublin, Ohio 43017
Internet: jds@rsch.oclc.org

Recently we hired a video of _Twin Peaks_.

It was a story about the murder of some girls in a small town.

Is this related to the _Twin Peaks_ you speak of?

Perhaps it was an extended version of the pilot?

I thought the ending was false (it was no where as good as the preceeding
footage).

Any comments?

In article <8144@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600koga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Jeffrey Koga) writes:
> >
> >Last month, Kyle MacLaughlin and Lara Flynn Boyle
> >were scheduled to be in A.R. Gurney's play "Love
> >Letters", which is currently playing in Beverly
> >Hills (I had tickets!!!)  But they had to cancel at
> >the last minute because Lara was offered a movie
> >deal.  Comments: I was so depressed (I called ahead
> >of time to see if they were still playing) that I
> >didn't even see their replacements, Scott Valentine
> >and Melissa Gilbert, even though I had tickets.  Oh
> >well, I hope Lara's movie deal goes through.

You poor sot, you missed it!  I too had tickets to the above show. (My wife, 
bless her heart, picked them up as a surprise Christmas gift)  We didn't call
ahead and arrived with about 20 seconds to showtime.  They ushered us in and 
aid their had been a change and Scott Valentine and Melissa Gilbert were 
performing that night.  At this point MAJOR DISAPOINTMENT set in.  Great, 
"Nick" & "Larua Ingalls".  Well because we were so late the usher said to take
ANY avalible seat. (apparently many ticketholders didn't show)  We got seats
in the third row, sat down and the show started.  We were absolutely stuned.
These two put on the most impressive show, far greater than could be expected 
of a "Nick" and a "Larua Ingalls".  They have become superior actors since
their early days, and we left with the feeling that we had witnessed a major
treat.  

It wasn't Kyle & Lara, but hey it was still a great show.

-lex
-- Lex Mierop - DeMott Electronics | "Break the code, solve the crime!" Internet/uucp: lex@demott.com| - Agent Dale B. Cooper, Twin Peaks US Snail: 14707 Keswick St.; Van Nuys, CA 91405 Tel. 818-988-4975

> >bdowning@otc.East.Sun.COM (Bill Downing - Sun BOS Human Resources) writes:
>> >> 7. Nuther question: Was the domino that, I assume Hank, was holding from
>> >> One-Eyed Jacks? What was the significance of bothering to show it?

mpax@pbs.org writes:
> >The number changes as he offs people.  Could be he's about to strike again.


You might have noticed that Hank's domino-total was down to 7.  Of course
you know that in the first season, the domino dots totalled 6.  Then
when we saw him at dinner with Norma's parents, the total was up to 8.

This indicates that Hank has probably subtracted for Catherine.  I think
he's counting Leo as his seventh kill, even though Leo isn't dead.  He's
been out of commission.

Hank's gonna have to subtract another kill when he finds out about
Andrew. :-)

--
bvickers@ics.uci.edu|"One who would guide a leader of men in the uses of life
brett@ucippro.bitnet| Will warn him against the use of arms for conquest.
                    | Even the finest arms are an instrument of evil:
                    | An army's harvest is a waste of thorns." - _Tao Te Ching_

In article <1991Jan14.160234.22926@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:

> >I defend Ben against charges that he is the new host for BOB.
> >I see his current condition as a natural and somewhat healthy
> >response to shock. 

I HATE what they've done to Ben's character. There is nothing "natural" about
his state; this is the writers trying for supposed comic relief. Leland's
dead, Jacoby's nowhere to be seen--"Oh," they say, "we need a new oddball
character! How about the kooky next-door-neighbor....No, what if we take a
strong character and make him go nuts? Ha ha! Let's say that spending a couple
of nights in jail has caused Ben Horne to flip! Hey, yeah, he's completely 
rational now, but what if YOU were forced to endure the horror and degradation
of the Twin Peaks county jail--you'd suddenly become obsessed with the Civil
War too! Yeah, let's do that, so we can spend more time putting wacky thought
balloons over Andy's head!"
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| "I don't believe it! You actually found a practical use for geometry!"  |
|                                                         --Bart Simpson  |
|                                                                         |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In article <35634@netnews.upenn.edu>, vinson@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Jack Vinson) writes:
> > 
> > In article <3906@eastapps.East.Sun.COM> bdowning@otc.UUCP () writes:
>> > >SPOILERS for 12 Jan 91 show follow:
>> > >
>> > >Finally, a significant improvement from the post-WKLP era, to wit:
>> > >
>> > >3. Is Nicky (the bratty kid) the next coming of Damien Omen II or a new
>> > >BOB-vehicle? The sinister tire-changing scene and the background music
>> > >made me wonder...
> > 
> > This seems like too obvious a choice for BOB.  I'm used to more subtlety
> > from TP.  I saw the car going as Nickie walked away.  I thought that scene
> > as a whole was pretty hilarious.

Did you notice their clothes?  They were identical.  I quess Dick told
Nickie what to wear for the day, selecting from his new wardrobe.



Bernie Bernstein

My gosh, I just recently discovered the existence of this newsgroup. I need
to check my .newsrc file...(-8

First, I want to say that I think Twin Peaks is the best show on the air.
It's been said that Twin Peaks is developing an intensely devoted following,
especially among more intelligent, educated people, a following comparable
in intensity to that of the "trekkies" and their devotion to Star Trek. I
wonder, thinking of "trekkies," what's a good handle for Twin Peaks fans?
"Peakies"? "Twinkies"?

I'd also like to know if there's any source of TP paraphenalia. No, I'm not
planning to walk around in an "I Killed Laura Palmer" t-shirt, but I'd sure
like to have one of those coffee mugs.

Pet beefs:

James. Get rid of this guy. He's dead weight on the show. Seems like every
time they have a few minutes to kill, they show James sitting somewhere
staring at the floor and looking confused.

Nadine. In my opinion, they're going *way* too far with the "voluntary 
suspension of belief" thing. It's preposterous that a late-middle-aged
woman who is clearly *psychotic* would be permitted anywhere *near* a public
school, much less enrolled as a (gag) student. When this spindly bag of bones
tossed that wrestler around like a rag doll, that was just too much. Nadine
was a terrific character back when she was driving Ed nuts with her "silent
runners" obsession, but now she's a pain in the ass. Like, boring. The
producers are really pushing their luck with this one. If they go much further,
they might as well bring in little green men from mars.

Candidates for Bob's next vehicle:

Nicky? Naw, I think he's just bait for the viewers. They're not going to make
it easy for us.

Nadine? Hmmmm. Flaky, like Leland was. Not able to resist evil. Great physical
strength (ugh, ugh). She's not around many of the other characters much,
though.

James? I don't think so. For all his Brando-ish roadie aura, I don't think Bob
could penetrate his psyche.

Andy? I'm serious. And how about Ben?

I used to think it might be the Major, but I've changed my mind. That was
probably "viewer bait," too, although we did see the owl in the forest that
night.

Cheers.

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In the 1/12 episode Pete quotes from the Irish poet William Butler Yeats in
a toast to Catherine.  But he omits two lines from the poem, and in so doing
substantially alters the meaning of the excerpt.  Here's the entire poem:

A DRINKING SONG

Wine comes in at the mouth
And love comes in at the eye;
That's all we shall know for truth
Before we grow old and die.
I lift my glass to my mouth,
I look at you, and I sigh.

--
     -- Loren Rosen, the token irrationalist at ...
    Rational, 3320 Scott Blvd. Santa Clara Ca. 95054
            loren@rational.com  uunet!igor!loren

In article <3906@eastapps.East.Sun.COM> bdowning@otc.UUCP () writes:
> >
> >6. Question: What was the fabric badge that Coop was holding? Looked like
> >a fir tree with a sword in the background...

It was the patch of the Bookhouse Boys, given to Coop by Harry a few
shows ago.


-- ____*_ Lynn Schneider lzs@indetech.com \ / / Independence Technologies {sun,sharkey,pacbell}!indetech!lzs \/ / 42705 Lawrence Place FAX: 415 438-2034 \/ Fremont, CA 94538 Voice: 415 438-2077

A couple of people have mentioned the 1/12 close up on Hank's domino.  I
seem to recall from a while back there were some guesses as to the relevance
of the number of pips.  As I remember, when we first see hank the domino has
3:3.  Later, after being "convinced" by Jean Renault with a gun to work for
him, the domino had 4:4.  People at the time suggested that this may be the
number of people he had killed, or something.  Now however, the number has
decreased to 4:3 (or 3:4).  Does anyone have any clue to what this might
mean?  It seems like a relevant clue to Hank's character, as the director
takes great pains to show long close-ups.  


       Signed,  stumped in Missoula

In article <1991Jan14.162759.24982@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >The modern word "glamour" originally meant "a spell"
> >and I suspect that the widow Milford has the abilty
> >to cast a glamour over every man she meets.
> > 
> >[...]
> >Witness the fact that not a single man in the sheriff's 
> >office, despite other attachments and varied tastes, seems to
> >be able to resist her charm.

...and that none of the men were competing with each other for her
attention, and that Harry wouldn't even answer Lucy's page ("out
of character" is an understatement).  That *leapt* off the screen
at me to say that she's got more-than-normal powers.

...Kris
-- Kristopher Stephens, | (408-746-6047) | krs@uts.amdahl.com | KC6DFS Amdahl Corporation | | | [The opinions expressed above are mine, solely, and do not ] [necessarily reflect the opinions or policies of Amdahl Corp. ]

In article <3906@eastapps.East.Sun.COM> bdowning@otc.UUCP () writes:
> >6. Question: What was the fabric badge that Coop was holding? Looked like
> >a fir tree with a sword in the background...

Wasn't that the official Bookhouse Boys badge that Harry gave to Coop?

> >7. Nuther question: Was the domino that, I assume Hank, was holding from
> >One-Eyed Jacks? What was the significance of bothering to show it?

I think it was meant as a clever way of showing the audience that it
was Hank.  I did notice that the domino was not a double like Hank's
other dominoes.

-- Scott Amspoker | Basis International, Albuquerque, NM | This space available (505) 345-5232 | unmvax.cs.unm.edu!bbx!bbxsda!scott |

In article <P0aPV1w164w@halcyon.uucp> halcyon!hikaru@sumax.seattleu.edu (Demosthenes) writes:
> >                                                        Speaking of 
> >Audrey- did she kiss him and say "thank you" because she was thrilled 
> >that there were "female agents," or because (at least as far as she was 
> >concerned) Cooper was acting like a normal human being for a change? 

That moment was rather ambiguous.  Audry kind of giggled at Denise
before she kissed Coop.  Did she figure Denise out?


-- Scott Amspoker | Basis International, Albuquerque, NM | This space available (505) 345-5232 | unmvax.cs.unm.edu!bbx!bbxsda!scott |

I doubt that I'm the only one who's thought of this, but so far, I haven't
seen the idea posted, so here 'goes:
I remember reading that they ("they" being the makers of TP) were
going to have Coop fall in love.  My guess is that the lucky recipient of  the  good agent's
affections will be Dougie's widow.

In <62082@bbn.BBN.COM> sminkin@bbn.com (Scott Minkin) writes:

> >Did anyone but me notice that the audio for the voice dropped out at several
> >different points during this TP?  I was watching it on videotape the day after
> >it aired and found that some scenes, most memorably the first scene with Ben
> >and Bobby, I could hear the "background" music loud and clear, but the dialogue
> >was extremely faint early on.  Also the scene with James and his new boss's
> >brother had some garbled dialogue.

I just got a "Hi-Fi" VCR which decodes TV stereo (but not surround sound).

With it, I noticed an audible "clicking" sometimes, and I'm betting that 
these clicks would correspond to times when the voices seem to drop out.
Others have speculated that these are for surround sound -- anyone got
a surround decoder?

I also noticed that during the thunderstorm scene when the Major reappears,
his query "How long have I been gone?" was nearly inaudible under the 
thunder and lightning and such.  On the TV, it was much clearer.

I don't think that's the fault of surround sound, though.  That's mostly
because I'm piping the output through the stereo, and the thunder boomed
the voice right back.  A TV speaker can't reproduce the booming, so the
voice is easier to hear.  At least, that's what I think.
--
        ... Michael Ho, University of Nebraska
Internet: ho@hoss.unl.edu | "Mine... is the last voice that you will ever hear."
Disclaimer: Peons don't speak for bigwigs.

In article <1991Jan14.211923.26904@nntp-server.caltech.edu> nolty@kastor.caltech.edu (Bob Nolty) writes:

> >19. In another triumph of due process and the rule of law, Audrey knocks
> >and offers Cooper Bobby's photos she has just stolen from her father's office.

Technically, Audrey's stealing of the photos and showing them to Coop
is a violation of neither the Fourth Amendment's prohibition of unreasonable
searches and seizures nor of the Fifth Amendment's guarantee of due
process.

In case you're interested.



--Mike


-- Mike Godwin, (617) 864-0665 | Rick Blaine's Haiku: mnemonic@eff.org | "Of all the gin joints Electronic Frontier | In all the burgs in the world Foundation | She walks into mine."

alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:

> > I think that BOB may be slowly gaining hold of someone
> > we already know. If so, the clues will be subtle and minimal,
> > as they were with Leland.  Remember how Leland's hair turned
> > white?

Well, if Coop has a dream sometime in the near future featuring a 
effeminate dwarf... :) 

> >  
> > Well, the only character whose hair seems to be graying noticably
> > is Dick Tremaine.  Now mind you, I can't really believe that BOB
> > would chose Dick as a host, but there was that sudden change
> > of heart and sudden desire to be near an innocent child!   Hmmmm.
> >  
> > a.h.


I think that Dick is just starting to realize "what a joy" children 
are... and starting also to realize just how incredibly stupid that idea 
is. :)

**************************************************************************
"Mr. BOB, you've killed Theresa Banks,   *                Richard Barrett
 Laura Palmer, Jacques Renault, and      *             18004 146th Ave NE
 Maddy Ferguson. What are you going to   *          Woodinville, WA 98072
 do next?"                               *                (206)487-1312
"I'm going to Disneyland!"               *hikaru%halcyon.uucp@seattleu.edu
**************************************************************************

alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:

> > We enjoyed a lively Twin Peaks party last night watching the first
> > episode in weeks, and one of the participants pointed out that the
> > fight between Evelyn and her husband in the big house should not have
> > been audible to James, especially during such a loud storm.
> >  
> > At first I thought that was nit picking and felt that the writers had
> > just taken a bit of 'artistic license' with the situation. But then 
> > we all began to wonder and eventually we agreed that probably
> > James was listening to a tape recording of a phoney fight and that James
> > is indeed being set up.
> >  
> > a.h.


I think differently - I mean, when you live in a house where arguments 
are constant and VERY loud (like mine :>), it seems perfectly naturla to 
be able to hear such an altercation from 40 feet away... 

**************************************************************************
"Mr. BOB, you've killed Theresa Banks,   *                Richard Barrett
 Laura Palmer, Jacques Renault, and      *             18004 146th Ave NE
 Maddy Ferguson. What are you going to   *          Woodinville, WA 98072
 do next?"                               *                (206)487-1312
"I'm going to Disneyland!"               *hikaru%halcyon.uucp@seattleu.edu
**************************************************************************

ewm@caen.engin.umich.edu (Ernst W Mayer) writes:

> > I was catching up on movies over the holidays, and I saw something which
> > may explain who "Diane" is, or at least where the idea may have come from.
> > In the Rob Reiner - directed movie "Say Anything", Lloyd Dobler (John Cusack)

Sorry, Rob Reiner directed "The Sure Thing." Cameron Crowe directed "Say 
Anything..."

**************************************************************************
"Mr. BOB, you've killed Theresa Banks,   *                Richard Barrett
 Laura Palmer, Jacques Renault, and      *             18004 146th Ave NE
 Maddy Ferguson. What are you going to   *          Woodinville, WA 98072
 do next?"                               *                (206)487-1312
"I'm going to Disneyland!"               *hikaru%halcyon.uucp@seattleu.edu
**************************************************************************

In article <1991Jan14.204818.12017@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >I've been trying to figure out why some people think that
> >a cop show with a 50's feel.  Civilians seem to be almost
> >evenly divided by sex.  Young males are just as dumb as the
> >young females. But this is one lack. There are no strong middle-
> >aged females.  But I figure this is a necessary plot device.
> >If we had a strong mature woman in Twin Peaks (say like Jessica
> >in Murder She Wrote) she'd have the town's problem's solved in
> >an hour!
> >a.h.

What show have you been watching????????
Catherine Martell is not a 'strong mature woman'- she damn near controls
the entire town (money wise) by now.
How about Norma Jennings? A strong woman, despite her overbearing mother,
her 'killer' husband, etc.


rON. (blowfish@hydra.unm.edu!ariel.unm.edu)
"It is only with the heart that one see rightly;
 what is essential is invisible to the eye."

In article <1991Jan14.155523.18795@midway.uchicago.edu> pbhx@ellis.uchicago.edu (Peter B. Hayward) writes:
> >
> >If anyone digitizes the line from 1/12 where Denise says:
> >
> >"I may be wearing a dress, but I put on my panties one leg
> >at a time, know what I mean?"
> >
> >Please, please please send me a copy. Thanks!



  Ditto, but I would like to have Cooper's terse , quick and extremely
funny one line reply to it as well.


> >--
> >---------------------------
> >Peter B. Hayward                                               WX9T          
> >University of Chicago Computing Organizations

     Ed Drury
     A-38 Specialists

In article <62082@bbn.BBN.COM> sminkin@BBN.COM () writes:
> >Did anyone but me notice that the audio for the voice dropped out at several
> >different points during this TP?  I was watching it on videotape the day after
> >it aired and found that some scenes, most memorably the first scene with Ben
> >and Bobby,I could hear the "background" music loud and clear, but the dialogue
> >was extremely faint early on.  Also the scene with James and his new boss's
> >brother had some garbled dialogue.
> >
> >Does it mean anything?  I don't think it was my VCR as my girlfriend who
> >lives in a different town taped it and noticed the same things on her tape.

I had the same problem.  In fact, I've seen (heard) the same thing several
times on channel 5 (ST:TNG mostly).  I've heard of this happening with a few
other stations around the country, too, though usually the whole soundtrack
"drops out" for a while.  I guess TP's surround sound has something to do with
still getting the background sound.  The problem must be somewhere at 
channel 5, though I don't have enough experience with video equipment to guess
exactly what's going wrong.  

Perhaps Boston area TP fans should write and complain?

-- Jack

In article <1991Jan14.175837.12410@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
> >In article <P0aPV1w164w@halcyon.uucp> halcyon!hikaru@sumax.seattleu.edu (Demosthenes) writes:
>> >>Speaking of 
>> >>Audrey- did she kiss him and say "thank you" because she was thrilled 
>> >>that there were "female agents," or because (at least as far as she was 
>> >>concerned) Cooper was acting like a normal human being for a change? 
> >
> >Neither. She kissed him to let Denise know that Coop was spoken for.

Or, as my wife put it, Audrey was "marking her territory."

                            :: Jeff Makey

Department of Tautological Pleonasms and Superfluous Redundancies Department
    Posting from my temporary home at ...
    Domain: jeff@crash.cts.com    UUCP: nosc!crash!jeff

In article <3871@eastapps.East.Sun.COM>, bdowning@otc.East.Sun.COM (Bill Downing - Sun BOS Human Resources) writes...

} (I belive Dougie is either the mayor of TP or the mayor's buddy)...
                                                            ^^^^^

Try "brother".

-- "What gang are *you* with?" "Ah...the Survivors." "Never heard'a them." "I'm the only one left." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <yX1LV3w163w@toyshop.lonestar.org>, fen@toyshop.lonestar.org (Gervase Fen) writes...

} In the midst of the month-long TP deprivation, I had a special treat last
} night. A friend and I rented Agatha Christie's "Appointment with Death,"
} starring none other than Piper Laurie!  This was a 1988 production with
} Peter Ustinov in the role of Hercule Poirot, as well as Lauren Bacall and
} Carrie Fischer.  

Where have you been?  Piper Laurie has a list of credits a mile long,
stretching back into the 50's.

-- "What gang are *you* with?" "Ah...the Survivors." "Never heard'a them." "I'm the only one left." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <1991Jan14.162248.24675@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes...

} First there was The Old Nick (the devil) and now there is little Nick.

} Is little Nickie a little devil?

More importantly, is his last name "Scratch"?

Anyone else catch the correspondence between:

Dick, Lucy, and Little Nickie

and

Ricky, Lucy, and Little Ricky  [from I LOVE LUCY]?

And did anyone else like the matching outdoors outfits that Dick and Little
Nickie were wearing?

-- "What gang are *you* with?" "Ah...the Survivors." "Never heard'a them." "I'm the only one left." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <62082@bbn.BBN.COM>, sminkin@bbn.com (Scott Minkin) writes...

} Did anyone but me notice that the audio for the voice dropped out at
} several different points during this TP?

People in this newsgroup from other parts of the country have made the
same observation about previous episodes, but this is the first time that
it's occurred on WCVB.

It apparently has something to with the surround sound encoding (or more
properly, decoding) on the local affiliate's end.

-- "What gang are *you* with?" "Ah...the Survivors." "Never heard'a them." "I'm the only one left." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <1991Jan15.100136.6@csc.canterbury.ac.nz>, elec137@csc.canterbury.ac.nz writes...

} Recently we hired a video of _Twin Peaks_.
} It was a story about the murder of some girls in a small town.
} Is this related to the _Twin Peaks_ you speak of?

Yes.

} Perhaps it was an extended version of the pilot?

Exactly.

} I thought the ending was false (it was no where as good as the preceeding
} footage).

The pilot set up the murder, introduced the characters, and so forth. The
murder was not fully solved until the 16th episode of the series. However,
Warner Home Video planned to release the pilot as a one-off film for the
European and Pacific markets, and because it was a one-off, it required a
solution to the crime. So, Lynch and Frost kludged up a solution. And *that*
is why the last 15 minutes or so of the video version looks "tacked on".
Most of that footage *does* show up in a couple of episodes in the series,
but in different contexts.

Despite the fact that it was intended as a one-off in Europe, the regular
series *has* been showing in various European countries in the last few
months. Perhaps it'll get to your neck of the world soon.

The solution as presented in the video is not the same as the solution in
the series. The killer is kinda sorts somewhat the same, but not really.

It just occurs to me, though, that by "ending", you mean specifically the
"25 Years Later" scene, and not necessarily the confrontation at the
hospital. In the series, the "25 Years Later" scene is used as part of
a psychic dream that Agent Cooper has, giving him clues to the murder which
he then tries to solve. As it appeared in the series, it was one of the
most striking moments of the series. As a tacked on ending to the video,
it was totally out of place and made no sense whatsoever.

The video version is exactly the same as the pilot up to the point where
Sarah Palmer has the vision of seeing the murderer in Laura's bedroom. The
original pilot ends with her vision, only her vision is of some unknown
person digging up the locket that James and Donna buried in the woods.

-- "What gang are *you* with?" "Ah...the Survivors." "Never heard'a them." "I'm the only one left." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <20941.2791ce3b@merrimack.edu> rand@merrimack.edu writes:
> >In article <1991Jan14.155523.18795@midway.uchicago.edu>, pbhx@ellis.uchicago.edu (Peter B. Hayward) writes:
>> >> If anyone digitizes the line from 1/12 where Denise says:
>> >> 
>> >> "I may be wearing a dress, but I put on my panties one leg
>> >> at a time, know what I mean?"
> >
> >The kicker was Cooper responding "I don't think so..."

Except that what Cooper said was "Not really."


--Mike



-- Mike Godwin, (617) 864-0665 | Rick Blaine's Haiku: mnemonic@eff.org | "Of all the gin joints Electronic Frontier | In all the burgs in the world Foundation | She walks into mine."

Does anybody know the real ages of the girls in twin peaks? By girls I mean Laura, Audrey, Donna and Shirley.

just wondering!
Ali Shah

In article <42522@ut-emx.uucp> osmigo@ut-emx.uucp (Ron Morgan) writes:
> >
> >It's been said that Twin Peaks is developing an intensely devoted following,
> >especially among more intelligent, educated people...

Yes, it's certainly been said, but I sure don't know why.

Twin Peaks started out great, as an enthralling mystery,
but has degenerated into a 'weird' soap opera.
And that's all it is right now.

The first four hours were some of the best stuff I've EVER seen on TV.
They just couldn't keep up the intensity.  With Laura's murder solved,
I've found that I have little or no interest in the show.

I think you're fooling yourself if you think you have to be intelligent and
educated to watch this show.  They're just dragging you along like any other
soap opera.

Twin Peaks would have worked much better as a finite miniseries, in my opinion.

--

  Jim Reid
  Eastman Kodak Company
[ jwr@titan.kodak.com   ||   (716) 726-2408 ]

In article <3906@eastapps.East.Sun.COM> bdowning@otc.UUCP () writes:
> >SPOILERS for 12 Jan 91 show follow:
> >
> >6. Question: What was the fabric badge that Coop was holding? Looked like
> >a fir tree with a sword in the background...

This is the offical "Bunk House Boys" emblem.
> >
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In article <1991Jan13.145317.20926@midway.uchicago.edu> lecl@quads.uchicago.edu (elizabeth e. leclair) writes:
> >
> > The TP bonus question (besides "WHERE is BOB?") is "WHAT is Major
> >     Briggs?"

Why are you assuming he's anything other than a normal human being?  The
impression I get is that in his work he stumbled onto something
above-top-secret, sort of a variation on MJ-12.  This puts him in a
position of great power but also a position of great danger.

You seem to imply that he appears and disappears of his own free will.It
certainly didn't seem that way to me.  When he disappeared in the forest he
was screaming.When he appeared in the middle of the storm, he didn't know
how long he had been gone.  Looks like an abduction to me!

--
  From the disk of:   | jms@vanth.uucp     | "Glittering prizes and
Jim Shaffer, Jr.      | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | endless compromises
37 Brook Street       | 72750.2335@compuserve.com    | shatter the illusion of
Montgomery, PA 17752  | (CompuServe as a last resort)| integrity!"  (Rush)

In article <8144@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600koga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Jeffrey Koga) writes:
> >*POTENTIAL SPOILER*
> >I saw the 1/12 episode of ^TP^, and now I have some
> >questions that I hope can be answered (as well as
> >some comments): What was Lucy looking for before she
> >answered the phone?  Does Hawk have a thing for
> >Mayor Milford's brother's widow?  (Or was I just
> >imagining that?)  Bob appears to be in Nicky now, or
> >will soon be.Reason: Leland was a boy when Bob
> >possessed him.  Also, Nicky's parents were murdered,
> >and he is traumatized from that.  And trouble
> >follows him wherever he goes.Perfect for Bob.

BOB could be in Nicky, but the fact that trouble has been following Nicky
bothers me.  Couldn't it be that Nicky has been posessed all along by
something else?  What if Nicky himself killed his parents?  That would mean
that whatever his problem is, it isn't BOB.  Maybe he's even just a
telekinetic with a bad attitude.

(Hey, I'm just theorizing.  Only time will tell.)


--
  From the disk of:   | jms@vanth.uucp     | "Glittering prizes and
Jim Shaffer, Jr.      | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | endless compromises
37 Brook Street       | 72750.2335@compuserve.com    | shatter the illusion of
Montgomery, PA 17752  | (CompuServe as a last resort)| integrity!"  (Rush)

Here's an interesting question to ponder:

Did everyone notice that Bobby sniffed something when he was leaving Ben's
office with the camera?  Right before the woman ran down the stairs
screaming?  I wonder if Bobby smelled something burning....

And whether that had anything to do with Dougie Milford's death....

What do you think?


-- Sanjiv Sarwate "But what is truth? sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.eduIs truth unchanging law? BITNET: SANJIV@UIUCVMD.BITNETWe both have truths. Are mine the same as yours?"

In article <1991Jan15.050044.29541@athena.mit.edu> genoa@athena.mit.edu (Jack N Holt) writes:
> >In article <62082@bbn.BBN.COM> sminkin@BBN.COM () writes:
>> >>Did anyone but me notice that the audio for the voice dropped out at several
>> >>different points during this TP?  I was watching it on videotape the day after
>> >>it aired and found that some scenes, most memorably the first scene with Ben
>> >>and Bobby,I could hear the "background" music loud and clear, but the dialogue
>> >>was extremely faint early on.  Also the scene with James and his new boss's
>> >>brother had some garbled dialogue.
>> >>
>> >>Does it mean anything?  I don't think it was my VCR as my girlfriend who
>> >>lives in a different town taped it and noticed the same things on her tape.
> >
> >I had the same problem.  In fact, I've seen (heard) the same thing several
> >times on channel 5 (ST:TNG mostly).  I've heard of this happening with a few
> >other stations around the country, too, though usually the whole soundtrack
> >"drops out" for a while.  I guess TP's surround sound has something to do with
> >still getting the background sound.  The problem must be somewhere at 
> >channel 5, though I don't have enough experience with video equipment to guess
> >exactly what's going wrong.  

The same thing has happened several times here in Columbus, Ohio.

-- Steve Houser | All opinions expressed are mine, not my uunet!att!cblph!srh | employer's.

"Little Shop of Horrors" (musical) fans may be interested to know that
Ron Taylor, who has now appeared twice as the wrestling coach, originated
the voice of Audrey II in the off-broadway show, is featured on the
original cast album, and played the role for at least four years ('though
he is NOT in the movie).

Marc Rossner

In article <1634@bbxsda.UUCP>, scott@bbxsda.UUCP (Scott Amspoker) says:
> >
> >In article <P0aPV1w164w@halcyon.uucp> halcyon!hikaru@sumax.seattleu.edu
> >(Demosthenes) writes:
>> >>                                                        Speaking of
>> >>Audrey- did she kiss him and say "thank you" because she was thrilled
>> >>that there were "female agents," or because (at least as far as she was
>> >>concerned) Cooper was acting like a normal human being for a change?
> >
> >That moment was rather ambiguous.  Audry kind of giggled at Denise
> >before she kissed Coop.  Did she figure Denise out?
> >
> >
Actually, it appeared to me and the others that I watched this episode
 with, that Audrey kissed Cooper before she left because she was
 unsure of what his relationship with Denise was.  ie: she was jealous
 so she sort of wanted to stake her claim in front of the "other woman"

  Just my humble opinion,
      Jenae

In article <27922B2C.16610@ics.uci.edu> bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes:
> >
> >You might have noticed that Hank's domino-total was down to 7.  Of course
> >you know that in the first season, the domino dots totalled 6.  Then
> >when we saw him at dinner with Norma's parents, the total was up to 8.
> >
> >This indicates that Hank has probably subtracted for Catherine.  I think
> >he's counting Leo as his seventh kill, even though Leo isn't dead.  He's
> >been out of commission.
> >
> >Hank's gonna have to subtract another kill when he finds out about
> >Andrew. :-)

So who else has Hank killed.  It might be fun to find out about more of
his nebulous past...
Andrew Packard
Leo Johnson
more more more


"All you need in life are Guts, Distance and Symmetry"  -  Benjamin Horne
Jack Vinsonvinson@linc.cis.upenn.edu

This is a relay of a request from a friend who doesn't have 
access to alt.tv.twin_peaks. Remember that if you reply directly
by email, you won't be addressing me (I've never even seen an
episode of "Twin Peaks"). I'll just forward the reply to him.
(Apologies if this has already been thoroughly discussed.)
..............................................................
::Hello. I've been reading the infamous Diary of Laura Palmer.
::Laura mentions that she should warn Danielle about BOB. I
::don't recall ever seeing or hearing about a Danielle. Can 
::anyone shed some light on this?
::
::                              you're a strange one
::                              are there more like you?
::                              you're a rare one
::                              i want one like you
::
::                              ....cyberdub
..............................................................

I think that the people searching for the owner of a vicuna coat are on the 
wrong track.  I believe the white stuffed animal in Ben Horne's office is a 
vicuna, and we clearly saw Leland pluck some fur from this animal and place 
it in his pocket an episode or two before he purchased the agricultural land 
tract.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Joe Hartley, Cadre Technologies - cadreri!jh@doorknob.cs.brown.edu

In article <1991Jan14.225839.25340@math.lsa.umich.edu>,
ekushnir@math.lsa.umich.edu (Eugene Kushnirsky) writes:
|>In article <1991Jan14.160234.22926@watserv1.waterloo.edu>
alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
|>
|>>I defend Ben against charges that he is the new host for BOB.
|>>I see his current condition as a natural and somewhat healthy
|>>response to shock. 
|>
|>I HATE what they've done to Ben's character. There is nothing "natural" about
|>his state; this is the writers trying for supposed comic relief. Leland's
|>dead, Jacoby's nowhere to be seen--"Oh," they say, "we need a new oddball
|>character! How about the kooky next-door-neighbor....No, what if we take a
|>strong character and make him go nuts? Ha ha! Let's say that spending
a couple
|>of nights in jail has caused Ben Horne to flip! Hey, yeah, he's completely 
|>rational now, but what if YOU were forced to endure the horror and
degradation
|>of the Twin Peaks county jail--you'd suddenly become obsessed with the Civil
|>War too! Yeah, let's do that, so we can spend more time putting wacky thought
|>balloons over Andy's head!"
|>--



You miss the point, he's not in shock from being in jail,
he's in shock from losing his empire.

Remember, he gave his 5 million dollar check from "Mr. Hashimura"
to Josie, then he was coerced by Catherine into signing over his 
rights to the Ghostwood Estates Project and the saw mill.  

What's worse is that he didn't need to give in to Catherine (who said
she would only reappear and clear him of Laura's murder -- he was
with Catherine that night) since just a short time later Leland/Bob
was found out.

Also, he lost one-eyed-jack's to Jean Renault.


BTW: This has been bothering me for a while.  When Maddy  was missing,
     Leland/Bob told her mother that he had put her on the bus that morning.
     This seemed stupid since when she was found the autopsy would certainly
     show that she had been killed the night before.  This seems uncharacter-
     istically sloppy for Bob.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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In article <62082@bbn.BBN.COM>, sminkin@bbn.com (Scott Minkin) writes:
> >Did anyone but me notice that the audio for the voice dropped out at several
> >different points during this TP?  <stuff deleted>
> >Does it mean anything?  I don't think it was my VCR as my girlfriend who
> >lives in a different town taped it and noticed the same things on her tape.

I assume you were in Cambridge, I was in Newton and noticed the same thing.
I thought maybe it was the Boston rendition but the background music being
so clear was weird.  How about those of you from other parts of the country?

In article <1991Jan15.141819.421@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Sanjiv Sarwate) writes:
> >Here's an interesting question to ponder:
> >
> >Did everyone notice that Bobby sniffed something when he was leaving Ben's
> >office with the camera?  Right before the woman ran down the stairs
> >screaming?  I wonder if Bobby smelled something burning....
> >
> >And whether that had anything to do with Dougie Milford's death....
> >
> >What do you think?

1. Dougie's widow has mysterious powers.  Is she the new host for BOB?
2. Dougie died of a heart attack, but you'll note that he wasn't smiling.  
   I think he died of fright.
3. I wonder if the smell was like a burnt-oil smell experienced by the
   bed-ridden Jacoby when Leland was smothering Jacques.
--
 Daniel Pearl      Concurrent Computer Corporation, Westford, Massachusetts USA
(508) 392-2478          danny@westford.ccur.com

In article <35634@netnews.upenn.edu> vinson@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Jack Vinson) writes:
> >In article <3906@eastapps.East.Sun.COM> bdowning@otc.UUCP () writes:
>> >>SPOILERS for 12 Jan 91 show follow:
> >
>> >>7. Nuther question: Was the domino that, I assume Hank, was holding from
>> >>One-Eyed Jacks? What was the significance of bothering to show it?
> >
> >
Of friend of mine believes that it represents the number of people that
Hank has offed so it increases in number as he kills (or attempts to kill)
another person. So far it seems that he has not killed as many as he thinks,
ie. Andrew for one.
 

> >
> >"All you need in this life is (are?)   Guts, Distance, Symmetry."

I'm not sure but I think it was balance, distance, symmetry.
Somehow it reminded me of the white and black lodges, in balanced
symetry and at a distance. Or maybe Ben is possesed by the spirit of a
Toaist monk.
 
a.h.

In article <1634@bbxsda.UUCP> scott@bbxsda.UUCP (Scott Amspoker) writes:
> >In article <P0aPV1w164w@halcyon.uucp> halcyon!hikaru@sumax.seattleu.edu (Demosthenes) writes:
>> >>                                                        Speaking of 
>> >>Audrey- did she kiss him and say "thank you" because she was thrilled 
>> >>that there were "female agents," or because (at least as far as she was 
>> >>concerned) Cooper was acting like a normal human being for a change? 
> >
> >That moment was rather ambiguous.  Audry kind of giggled at Denise
> >before she kissed Coop.  Did she figure Denise out?
> >
Did anyone else notice that when Audrey put her hand on hips to confront
and size up Denise, Denise responded in kind, putting her hands on her hips,
too?  I think that Audrey giggled because Denise was being cute with her and
because she feels friendly, though competitive, towards Denise.
 
a.h.

In article <1991Jan15.115029.5744@nada.kth.se>, d89-ash@nada.kth.se (Ali Shah) writes...
> >                                                                            
> >Does anybody know the real ages of the girls in twin peaks? By girls I
mean Laura, Audrey, Donna and Shirley.
> > 
> >just wondering!
> >Ali Shah

If you'll accept some degree of inaccuracy, here are the numbers as I recall
them:

Sheryl Lee (who played Laura Palmer and Maddie Ferguson) is about 21 or 22.

Sherilyn Fenn (who plays Audrey) is 25 or 26.

Lara Flynn Boyle (who plays Donna) is 20 or 21.

Madchen Amick (who plays Shelly) is 19 or 20.

In article <3906@eastapps.East.Sun.COM> bdowning@otc.UUCP () writes:

> >6. Question: What was the fabric badge that Coop was holding? Looked like
> >a fir tree with a sword in the background...

His bookhouse boys patch ...

> >7. Nuther question: Was the domino that, I assume Hank, was holding from
> >One-Eyed Jacks? What was the significance of bothering to show it?

Just to show that Hank has noticed that Ed may be a competitor .....




Did anyone else notice that the cabin (lodge?) that Cooper went
to inspect was WHITE .....


Paul


-- Paul Campbell UUCP: ..!mtxinu!taniwha!paul AppleLink: CAMPBELL.P We three kings of Orient are One on a Tractor One in a Car One on a scooter Tooting his hooter Following yonder star - F. Dagg circa 1972

In article <1991Jan15.165537.959@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >In article <1634@bbxsda.UUCP> scott@bbxsda.UUCP (Scott Amspoker) writes:

> >Did anyone else notice that when Audrey put her hand on hips to confront
> >and size up Denise, Denise responded in kind, putting her hands on her hips,
> >too?  I think that Audrey giggled because Denise was being cute with her and
> >because she feels friendly, though competitive, towards Denise.
> > 
I agree with the assessment that Audrey was staking claim on Coop, but I also
think it was very obvious that she (Audrey) was fascinated by the fact that
there were female  ("well, sort of") agents.  She wants to be a G-Woman /
detective so she can get closer to Coop.
(I guess balance does make more sense)
"All you need in life are Guts, Distance and Symmetry"  -  Benjamin Horne
Jack Vinsonvinson@linc.cis.upenn.edu