Season 2, Episode 13: Checkmate — January 19–February 01, 1991

In article <19178@shlump.nac.dec.com>, boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes...

} He said, "I would like to make love to a beautiful woman." That's it.

Correction (thanks to Karen van Hoek):

"I would like to make love to a beautiful woman for whom I had a genuine
affection."

Not that this really changes anything in determining Coop's "requirements".

-- "My public will kill me for dying at a time like this." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <1991Jan18.135629.25689@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>,   writes...

} I must say, quite frankly, that I can't understand this line of argument.
} You *had* to endure mindless repetition of the same info? You could have
} read a book or something, no?

This is a valid point. I have lots of things to occupy my time. If you
can't do one thing, do another. As it is, the Big Three networks have
pre-empted everything else, but for those with cable, USA, Disney, HBO,
A&E, etc., etc., are business-as-usual.

} I think it's kind of sad that people people get upset when their fictional
} dramas get pre-empted by real life events.

I don't. If their fictional dramas interest them more than the real-life
events, that's their perogative. No one should have to feel obligated to
follow real-life events on the news.

I myself almost never watch televised news or read newspapers. I don't
miss them at all. I still manage to be reasonably well informed about
current events.

} In case you missed it, there were a nerve-wracking couple of hours last
} night when it appeared that Israel may have been attacked by missiles
} with nerve gas warheads. This would clearly have had *enormous*
} consequences, and the reporting gradually developed from confused doubt
} to relieved relative certainty over a period of about three hours.
} Mesmerizing and hardly the endless repetition of the same info.

At occasional times, I've watched a couple of hours straight of network
news. In each of those instances, about 10% of what I heard was "news".
The other 90% (at least) was filler, going over the same ground again and
again. I swear, I was ready to kill Dan Rather the other day for telling
me every five minutes that three plans were apparently shot down, one of
them American *without saying one goddamn word about the other two*, as
if their not being American meant they didn't count.

I also see that the networks seem to feel that commerical breaks are still
worth making time for.

} There are also many citizens of the US with relatives involved in the 
} Persian Gulf events and I think that it's the *duty* of the networks
} to provide those interested parties with continuous coverage.

*All three*???  (We'll ignore the existence of CNN for now, as a lot of
people don't or can't get cable.)  It's bad enough that each network is
repetitious in and of itself, but we're also getting the same material
(essentially) on all three networks.

Why can't NBC, ABC, and CBS come to some sort of rotation plan? Pass the
ball every hour, like NBC does news from 8-9, ABC from 9-10, CBS from
10-11, then back to NBC again. At least that way, people have the option
of watching news coverage or something else. That still would be no
guarantee that one's particular favorite program wouldn't be pre-empted
anyway, if it happened to fall on that network's "news hour", but it would
be relief to some. But no, the networks still must compete for every
damned second.

} No matter what your feelings may be concerning the rightness of the war,
} I think, as a citizen of the world, you should be interested in it.

There's a difference between being interested in it and wallowing in it.

} I think that sitting around saying, "Damn this war - Twin Peaks is
} pre-empted again!" while people on both sides are fighting and dying
} is *incredibly* shallow and self-centered.

There are lots of people around the world fighting and dying every waking
minute, but the networks have never felt obliged to have 24-hour news
before. Coverage is one thing, but 24-hour coverage is simply overdoing
it.

*I* don't care if TWIN PEAKS -- or anything else -- is pre-empted. If we
don't see this episode this Saturday, we'll see it next Saturday. Big
fucking deal. And I agree that it *is* somewhat "shallow and self-centered"
to be more concerned with an ephemeral television program than with an event
of worldwide importance. But I acknowledge that other people might feel
differently, and that's their choice.

The real test, though, is whether the networks will decide not to pre-empt
sports programming this weekend.

-- "My public will kill me for dying at a time like this." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <1991Jan18.152917@ee.ubc.ca>, jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca (John Paul Morrison) writes...

} Dolby Surround Sound needs no decoding by the TV station. The decoding
} is done by your ears!

I see. You mean, I don't really need to spend the money on a surround-sound
decoder and an extra pair of speakers? My wallet thanks you.

} Surround Sound plays with the mix of Left + Right and Left - Right.

It still requires special equipment to decode and play. If you only have
two speakers, you are *not* going to hear sounds behind you, unless that's
where your speakers are located.

} All the audio should have been handled by the TV production company,
} maybe THEY screwed up.

Obviously not, since the problems don't occur on every affiliate. Since
it's *only* individual affiliates that are affected, it *has* to be on
a local level.

-- "My public will kill me for dying at a time like this." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

I don't know if anybody else has made this observation yet, but I think
it's certainly a very Lynchian-Twin Peaks touch.

When Cooper is speaking to Harry, in the police station, behind them,
framed perfectly by their heads, on a billboard, sits a poster that says "Mom
and dad--- I use drugs!".

Now, I've seen that poster before, but I've never really understood if
it stood for a particular movement or whether it simply just existed as a
popular poster.  If the latter is true, I think the directors for Twin Peaks
that week are getting rather obvious.

-- David Konerding, Wesleyan University DKONERDING@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU Under Earth and Throneless I May Be/ Yet While I Lived, All Earth Was Under Me - SILVER CHAIR, by C.S. Lewis

In article <appetite-satisfaction-a-golden-circle-0x22fc> cooper@ucscb.ucsc.edu (Agent Dale Cooper) writes:
> >I just had an awful thought!  I've been watching the around the clock
> >coverage on that war thing over in Iran and Jordan all afternoon, and
> >I came to the sudden realization that they were pre-empting programs
> >for it!  What if the war is not over by Saturday?  Do you think they'll
> >pre-empt Twin Peaks, or will they realize that Twin Peaks is more
> >important than a little squabble over oil?  I'm real worried.
I found your article very offensive.  This war is more than a  mere squabble
over oil.  I think our service men and women  in Saudi Arabia need your 
support rather than your smart-ass comments about a television show.  No one
likes a war, but at least those people over there have the guts to stand up
and fight.  I guarantee they are missing Twin Peaks.

> >
> >The Coop-man, coming to you live from UCSC
> >"Thus spake the Master Detective"

Leigh Ann
(posting from David's account)
--
David Gundlachdavid@rolf.stat.uga.edu
UGA StatisticsBITNET: statuga@uga
University of Georgia404/542-3289 or 404/542-5232

"I think, therefore I am wrong." -- me

The more I watch Twin Peaks, the more I think that they really don't
know what they're doing.  Mark Frost's scripts have been the only
really coherent ones.  Every time Harley Peyton writes a script, the
intellectual level of the show drops another notch.
For example:  There was no indication of concrete supernatural activity
at the beginning of the show.  The theory that my cell of TP watchers
had developed at the end of the first season was that Leland had abused
Laura as a child, had descended into murder, and had finally killed
his own daughter.  One variant of this idea was that he had meant to kill
Ronette instead (T=Teresa, R=Ronette).  That version includes Leland's
descent into madness and Laura's redemption (by trading her life for
Ronette's).  BOB was just a name for the dark side of Leland (or it
could have been a name for his penis--maybe I should post this to alt.sex--
because Bobby calls his "pocket rocket" and Ben calls his "little Elvis".
I know that's not exactly what they said on the show, but I think they
were just trying to get those names by the censors).
Anyway.  Notice that until the second season, we had no reason to believe
that the one-armed man was really the Mike of the dream.  In fact, his Bob
wasn't the real BOB anyway, and why does Philip Gerard look like Mike, but
Leland not like BOB?  It just makes a lot more sense, fundamentally, to see
Cooper's dream as symbolism instead of reality.
   But that whole satisfying scenario fell apart.  Suddenly we were
   supposed to believe that inhabiting spirits are controlling Leland and
   Mike.  Why is this a better story?  Cooper asked at the end, "Is it
   easier to believe that a man could rape and murder his own daughter?"
   Yes.  That's a dark, disturbing, and REAL facet of humanity.  Now,
   instead, Cooper and the BB's are just ghostbusters.  Big whoop.

   The show keeps bouncing downhill.  The three episodes exposing Leland
   made an effort to convey the brutality of BOB, and did that well.  But
   where do we go from here?  Now supernatural hocus-pocus has distracted
   the show from real characterization.  Lucy and Andy were sweet, confused
   morons--now they're facing Damien IV, not to mention Dick.  (One friend
   of mine pointed out the appropriateness of his name--that's all he was,
   to Lucy.  Now he's a major character?!)  The sheriff's dept. is
   hypnotized by a witch.  Major Briggs is now the Phantom Stranger.  The
   circle of real human beings has contracted to Pete, Catherine, Ben,
   Norma, and Hank.  Cooper and Denise are interesting, but flaky.  James
   is trapped in a late-night movie.  (By the way, was the wrecked car at
   the end of the BOB Escapes episode Evelyn's Jag?  Maybe she's BOB, if
   Leo isn't.)  One major villain, Jean Renault, is a caricature;  the
   other, Windom Earle, is playing a supernatural role as the Dweller on
   the Threshold.

   I expect that when they bet bored with the chess deal, there will be a
   tawdry literalization of the chess pieces as specific characters.  BOB
   will rematerialize wherever it's convenient.  Since Harry's character is
   a real person, I look for him to virtually disappear from the show as a
   force unless they can wreck him the way they did Albert.  What I don't
   see is a way to phase out the specters enough to let the characters
   develop normally.  Ed used to be such a great guy until he got upstaged
   by his implausible wife.

   Sorry for all the grumbling.  At the beginning of the show, it was fun
   to take the show apart and figure out what was going on.  As the show
   declines, it becomes more and more clear that nothing's going on, that
   the creators don't understand the show either.  And so another attempt
   at quality television collapses collapses under the  weight of its own
   potential.

   John A. Burns    "It'll cool off on you."

_My Secret Life_ is one of the more famous of the anonymous victorian
erotic novels.  I haven't read this one, but if I remember the cover blurb
correctly, it is narrated from the point of view of a literal fly on the
wall (which I believe was the cover illustration on Dougie's copy).  Putting
the First Assistant Director's name on the cover as author was almost
certainly meant as an in-joke.
Alexx
"Sometimes an owl is just an owl."

Actually, Ben not only gently touched the screen, he also kissed the image of 
a woman, presumably his mother.  I thought it was a very touching moment.
Alexx
"Sometimes an owl is just an owl."

We've already had some intimations that at least some of the spirits floating
around TP are ghosts, so maybe the mysterious Mrs. T *is* the "real" one's
dead mother.  And the Kid?  Well the "real" Mrs. T said she didn't have any
children...  Maybe the Kid isn't the spirit of someone who has died, but of
someone who hasn't been *born* yet.
Alexx
"Sometimes an owl is just an owl."

If you want to have a discussion about the war, do it on the alt.desert.storm
and alt.desert.shield boards!  This is no place for that.

I for one don't want to have to read a zillion posts on this board discussing 
the war after
having spent an hour doing exactly that on the aforementioned boards.

So keep the discussion here on TP matters.
'Nuff said.
-->Daniel

I hear from a friend that USA Today reported that TP has been cancelled by ABC.

Has anyone else heard anything about this??
===========================================================================
Brendan P. "Brendo" McFeely

"I am Elmer J. Fudd, millionaire.  I own a mansion and yacht." -- Bugs Bunny

"Hey, you can't do this to me!!  I'm RICH!!" -- Montana Max

internet:  bm2e@andrew.cmu.edu

Just to further complicate the discussion of whether or not Mrs. Tremond (the
elderly bedridden one) and her grandson are real or not, in The Secret Diary of
Laura Palmer Laura mentions in one entry that when she delivered a meal to Mrs.
Tremond, her grandson pulled a coin out of Laura's ear.  So if they are visions,
both Laura and Donna saw the same vision.  Personally I don't know what to
believe, and I don't want to speculate, because every time I have speculated
about the show I've been burned.  I just watch the show, I don't understand it.

pat

What happens if one time zone of the country gets TP while the
rest o' the nation doesn't, due to some more SCUD missiles, etc?

Yes, the war is a very serious matter, but I'm curious about what the TV
people will do... will your local TV station re-air TP at some odd
time? I doubt it...

So.. if some time zone misses the episode, I hope there will be lots of
people from other time zones willing to copy a tape o' the show for the poor
unfortunates.

Now we have to wait and see what happens between 10 p.m. and 2 a.m.
eastern time... (oh, okay, and a little later for our friends in
Hawaii...)

-jason

-- Jason Snell / jsnell@ucsd.edu / University of California, San Diego "Fire BAD! Bread good!" -- Frankenstein

<details of a plan for the networks to rotate coverage deleted>

Makes sense to me, especially since with the Pentagon's insistence on
'Pool' coverage, any news out of the actual battle field is shared by
all the news organizations. The only difference is the 'analysis'
which, IMHO, is a waste of time.

--
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Paul Fritschle                                         pfritsch@skid.PS.UCI.EDU
'That is not dead which can eternal lie/
 And with strange eons even death may die' - Al Hazred 'The Necronomicon'

Spoilers....


James is being set up.....

Who was the dead person in Truman's office?

Those who said Coop would be cleared by 1/26 were right...

Will we ever find out more about the major than 30sec at a time?

What's the scar?

A giant owl?

At least we're done with Renault.

Now, the idiots at channel 5 here in Boston decided to voiceover the
previews...

So, can someone post or mail me the text that went with the previews?

Ack - having to wait 2 weeks!!

Sigh.
--
Rich Carreiro                                    The "War on Drugs"
ARPA: rlcarr@athena.mit.edu                      is merely a smokescreen for
UUCP: ...!mit-eddie!mit-athena!rlcarr            The War on the Constitution
BITNET: rlcarr@athena.mit.edu      JITTLOV FOREVER!

Let it never be said that Twin Peaks or the people who make up the town
of Twin Peaks are perfect; I can say that with little- nay, no doubt.

But yet again, we are treated with many minutes and too few seconds of
an hour of a slice of a piece of cherry life in America, underground.

This episode of Twin Peaks showed some of the poorest most obvious
scenes of soap operations we have yet seen; it made me sad to see those scenes,
because they've grown old.

But the episode also included some of the most amazing imagery and
clever thinkums Peyton has yet scripted; I can count not on hand the number
of episodes which have included so much pure Peakery as this one.

Scenes like the very first and the very last-- from Briggs in the
Stone Chair (a place I am sure we will see more of) to the next move by Windham
Earle-- a staggeringly well-shot and quite horrifying response-- amazed me.

I do not think the trickery of madness and stupidity among Ben and
Catherine is interesting, nor do I find James and his new beaue satisfying--
perhaps because they're so damn mundane.  Will we see scenes reminiscent of
Cooper's adventurous foray into One Eyed Jack's with Donna saving James from
the evil of the Incestual Bobsey Twins?

o Join us next week, for more silliness.

o Is Windham Cooper?

o Is BOB pregnant with Laura's love child?

o Has the demand for creamed corn driven its price so high than even
  Dave Lynch can't afford to get stoned on it anymore?

o Have I gone looney?  Fiona at 11.

-- David Konerding, Wesleyan University DKONERDING@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU "Cooper, I said a BUD light!" -- Major Briggs

Supposition: Earle's chess moves are all reflected by events in real life
in Twin Peaks (yes; this *HAS* been noted before, I know)

Earls' first moves were simple movements of pawns.  It would make sense if
these were movements of Earl's "pawns" into positions in Twin Peaks.  I for
one would not say the attempt on Cooper makes sense here in the Chess Context.
OK, if Earl's first movements were pawns, who has arrived in Twin Peaks new
this season.  Is Andrew one of the pawns?  Was Jean the other?

This of course would explain why Earle does not wait for Coops' replies.  He
sees them play out in the events of Twin Peaks.  Ok, so Coops' second unseen
move moving out his Queens(Kings?) pawn, leaving 4 pawns sitting in a square in
the middle of the board. (this is a guess.)

(Spoilers start here)
^L

If I'm not badly mistaken, Earle's third move was PxP resulting in the death
that we saw at the end of the episode (Was that Margaret?  I'd be bummed.)
Coop has already made his response (another PxP) by killing Jean.

BTW, I for one don't expect this little Chess game to go on much longer.  It
would take *WAY* to long to finish

This has to have been one of the best shows ever.

Title: How everyone in TP gets laid, or How I learned to stop worrying and
love coffee delivered by a transvestite.

Outrageous! Fantastic! Stupendous!

(And we have to wait two @!%#%! weeks for the next show!!!!!)

I mean- what a show! Briggs is arrested by MP's- after revealing a bitty
bit of clues. Cooper and 'Call me Dennis' set up for a raid. Norma
and Ed finally listen to their hormones, Hank, of course, follows and 
gets the shit beaten out of him! Ben wins the War and Catherine. Josie
plays french maid for Truman. Cooper almost gets killed- the last Renault
dies instead! Leo scares the living shit out of me, you and, of ocurse,
Shelly (damn- I am still spooked!!!!). Windahm Earle makes his next
move- and a creepy one at that. quotes:

"Donnie is dead."
"Shelly......."
"Invitation to love, every day brings a new promise of an "invitation to love".
"I think daddy needs an injection"
and, in two weeks:
"You can call me, Windham Earle...."

AGGGHH! I love it! 

I hope this trend of TP continues- shows like this will restore TP to its
former greatness, I hope they can keep it up!.


rON. (blowfish@hydra.unm.edu!ariel.unm.edu)
"It is only with the heart that one see rightly;
 what is essential is invisible to the eye."

I don't know about you, but that scar looked *remarkeably* like the
international symbol for "radiation."


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About that last move Windam Earl did, who is that dead woman?

Another question to ask: James is being set up for WHAT?
It's obvious that Lucky and whats-her-name are not brother/sister,
but if they are, that's weird (Perfect for this show.)

This episode was totally awesome from beginning to end.

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In the 1/20 episode, I caught some interesting foreplay on the show that I hope
everyone else caught as well:

Truman's hands when going to "hug" (Ican't think of a better way to say it)
Josie go right for her breasts, but stop and then wrap around her.

What-her-name with James in front of the newly fixed car kisses James really
passionately, but she also unzips his pants. (She also discards her shall(??))
h o t  s t u f f ! !

Any other "after-hours" foreplay that anyone else caught? These were really
obvious to me so I found them quite interesting on prime-time network T.V.

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From article <1991Jan20.052609.4112@ariel.unm.edu>, by blowfish@triton.unm.edu (rON.):

>
> This has to have been one of the best shows ever.
>
> Title: How everyone in TP gets laid, or How I learned to stop worrying and
> love coffee delivered by a transvestite.
>
> Outrageous! Fantastic! Stupendous!
>


HELP!!!!!!!

Can someone please e-mail me a mini-synopsis of the first 15 minutes of the
episode? We got pre-empted by f#($*%g BASKETBALL!!!!

ARRRRG!!!!

Thanks!

--
Robert D. Cappel, Iowa City,IA ||
aka "The Bob" ||"All we are saying, is give peace a chance!"
cappel@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu || --John Lennon
czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu ||

spoilers!



  I thought this week's episode was a lot of fun, and it's a relief
because I thought last week's was the worst ever.
  
  By the way, was it my imagination or was there more sex in Twin
Peaks this week than there has been at any time since Laura Palmer
was alive?

In article <1991Jan17.092643.11370@pbs.org> mpax@pbs.org writes:
> >In article <1991Jan16.182439.3030@nntp-server.caltech.edu>, floom@nntp-server.caltech.edu (Laura E. Floom) writes:
>> >> In article <1991Jan16.030050.2609@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Sanjiv Sarwate) writes:
>> >>I can't remember what the max
>> >> amount of dots on a domino is (MAX_DOMINO_SPOTS) but pretty soon he will run
>> >> out. Of course, his victims keep showing up alive, sure keeps the domino
>> >> method last longer.
> >
> >It's twelve.
> >
> >-- 
> >**This is not cultural.



   The largest-number domino sets commonly sold (in my experiance) are
double-12  (i.e. 24 spots). 


Brad Carlson
I am posting this on my wife's account;
She is not to blaim!
Please send no email!!

> > Spoilers....

And questions...

> > 

> > Who was the dead person in Truman's office?

After reading all week from people who had seen the previews that the dead
person was the Log Lady, I was quite pleasantly surprised (if there are any
pleasantries associated with murder) to see that it wasn't.  And I love the
finger of the cadaver pointing to the chess move.

> > Will we ever find out more about the major than 30sec at a time?

This annoyed me more than anything this week.  I had an associate visiting
me this weekend, and she had never seen Twin Peaks before (and really
didn't have much desire to watch it anyway).  When the military do-fuddies
came in to take the Major, I started screaming "NO! NO! NO!"  Needless to
say, my associate was a little befuddled.  Curses!  I want to know what's
going on with the project, and I'm yet again kept in the cold.  (grumble)

> > A giant owl?

Did not the Log Lady at one time say "Owls are sometimes big" ??  I want to
know what this character knows.

> > At least we're done with Renault.

Amen.  (Maybe.)

> > Ack - having to wait 2 weeks!!

And I have no plans to watch the SuperBowl at all.  Period.  Drat.

-Fen

"Into what I have said no gleam of reason has been allowed to intrude;
 and I can think of scarcely a single error, however ancient and obscure,
 which I have failed to propagate."

            Internet:       fen@toyshop.lonestar.org
            UUCP            ...{ernest,tsci,egsner}!shibaya!toyshop!fen

In article <1991Jan18.205250.17372@ingres.Ingres.COM> donj@sunfish.Ingres.COM (Don J) writes:
> >What ever happened to Ben's brother, Jerry. I love their ice cream eating
> >scene (Ben and Jerry). And also the flashlight dance.

Now that Audrey has called in Jerry to help her father, I'm looking forward
to more of the above.
 
a.h.

Lots of theories from phases of the moon to traffic on the net and faulty
PSU system.  Fact is I can live with speculation!! Thanks for the responses.
Lisa

SHELLY!!!!!!AGGGHHHHHH! I really did scream at that moment, and
I consider myself a calm analytical TP watcher.  Lots of implications
to the LEO consciousness.  Was it consciousness,  If so, how long has
he been conscious, is he going to kill this woman or what??

The final scene was, believe it or not, refreshing to me.  I was
a little disappointed lately that Lynch et al. was not using as
many of the totally sick eerie, murder stuff.  This side of Lynch
is what I consider to be his unique draw.  I have a theory that
the voyeur in us finds solace in watching perverse gore from the
comfort of our blankets and pillows on Saturday night,  it is all
the desensitised violence stuff, but I wonder sometimes if the
viewing of these creatively horrifying images from Lynch feeds some
sort of need for that which is worse than our own worse thought.

Anyway, the episode was wonderfully twisted and nauseating, what
TP stands for! I don't endorse the infidelity, violence, sexism,
racism, etc... that is displayed for us on the screen, but I do
offer the claim that TP mesmerizes us with just those horrible
things.  I think that it is not that we are people who relish that
which is sick in life, just the opposite...we probably find the
acts of terrific perversity to be more nauseating than the TP
haters.  I think that Lynch et al. is working on us to project
a message that the perversity is to be scorned.  He is reflecting
the reality of domestic violence, infidelity, murder and so on
that is most frightening to the TP watchers.  We get to see the
reality of the neighbors and friends and maybe ourselves that are
party to the actual violence being depicted.

Back to the episode.  What is it about that Josie that HST cannot
talk to her he has to constantly mawl her?  It is getting wierd. Do
they talk anymore, or is just straight to the sheets, or the linoleum?

I am still enjoying the degression of the great Ben Horne. There is a
book called A CERTAIN TENDENCY OF THE HOLLYWOOD CINEMA (ROBERT B. RAY),
that talks about a masterplot of hllywood, the outlaw hero.  The
outlaw hero can be found in movie after movie, it is the usually male
lead who at first is a "bad guy" but eventually is reborn to be
the plots savior, or the adoring husband.  Rick Blaine, Rhett Butler
are examples.  Rogues who buy into the western way, and become
dependable and responsible.  Ben Horne is my pick for the TP
OUTLAW HERO character.  He is showing signs of softening, and I
predict he will function to save the town somewhere down the road.

The dick/andy alliance is silly, the loss of the doogie widow storyline
was not regretful, and the norma/ed trist was predictable.  The immediate
cut to Hank, however was not and it was a neat shocker.  The
entrance of Nadine then again minimized the fun  of the shock. I
can't wait to get rid of Ernie and the Dudly Doowright mountie.
Denise is Dennis again, and that is interesting, because he isn't
too ugly, almost a Richard Gere resemblance. . .somehow. It's
interesting because of the Audrey thing of last week.  Will he
be interested in our little Monroesque teen sleuth?  I like
audrey, even if she is accused of being a poor actress.  Her
character is more appealing than the other teens--to me anyway.
I think I always like a woman acrtress who has hips, instead of
being built like a fourteen year old boy.  Dumb reason to like
her but I admit it's comforting to know we don't have just see
other woman who are twigs.  We have good company.

FINAL AND MOST IMPORTANT IDEA: Is there anyone out there who
is interested in kicking around Doc Hayward's role in all this?
I wonder why he is everywhere all the time. His hand is in everything.
Is he a bad guy. . .I say somehow the answer is YYYEEEESSS!
Lisa Laidlaw McCLure  PSU

Spoilers for those who have not seen the latest episode

 
Congratulations to Fiona Ocianstar for posting her theory that
owl images are a 'masking memory' for Extra-terrestrial contact.
Garland has obviously been abducted by UFO occupants and left
with only the memory of a huge owl. 
 
I suspect thtat that the major's search for a spiritual realm of
light has brought him to something quite material and possibly
quite evil. In a certain Stephen King book (I think it was
The Stand) the premise is that an alien space ship struck the
earth in pre-history and was covered over by woods. However, something
survived within emitting a subtle energy that effected human
minds and bodies. It controlled the minds and healed the bodies.
Energy from the buried ship could explain certain healings such
as people suddenly not needing their glasses any more, Leo's
unexpected recovery and perhaps even Andrew's return from the dead.
 
Perhaps, if this theory is valid, the undead occupants of the ship have
been sending messages into space, trying to gain control of human
servants, and causing the recent explosions and
power failures.

I loved the first scene with the major.
 
Why was he seated on a chair in the woodlands?
He was sitting regally (like the tarot card of the
emperor) or like a king. I wonder if he is the 
King of Wands of the tarot deck (the ultimate in
creative and natural energy) or if he could possibly 
be the King in Cooper's chess game. "The King
must die."

spoilers of latest episode

 

Leo looked great - maximally menacing.
He was wearing a clowny hat and had white
food, like cake, smeared around his lower face
like a clown's painted smile. He looked like the
demon in Stephen King's IT.
 
Mystery - who was the body in front of the chess
board in the final scene? 
 
The hair was long like BOB's  or like Shelley's!
But closer examination by freeze frame showed that the 
chin was too big-boned to be BOB's and too
hairy to be Shelley's or the Log Lady's (unless the
Log Lady ain't no lady!)
 
I think the body was definitely of a man despite the long
hair. The only man with hair below his shoulders like that
(that I can think of)  is Dennis/Denise, but he would not be
'caught dead' in such casual and macho clothes.

Since WTAE, the ABC affiliate in Pittsburgh, had a game run late which
pushed Twin Peaks several minute late, it appeared to me that the previews
for the 26 Jan episode were cut so that the news could be fit on the
air in time to air the late movie or whatever.  If these previews appeared
on other ABC stations, could someone please summarize and mail to one
of the addresses in the .sig?  Thanks

jen
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rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (Richard L. Carreiro) writes:

> > 
> > Spoilers....
> > 
> > Who was the dead person in Truman's office?

Well, I don't know either, but at least it isn't the Log Lady, as some 
had feared from the previews. An amusing note: the end credits show Craig 
MacLachlan as The Dead Man (Actually, I had thought it looked more like a 
dead woman). I imagine this conversation:

Kyle MacLachland: Folks, this is my brother Craig.
 
Todd Holland: Hi, Craig. Say, would you mind sitting over here for a 
moment and looking dead, while we put strange objects on you and play 
tic-tac-toe on your hand?

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

Warning, this is a spoiler for 1/12 and 1/19 episodes:







It has been noted on this newsgroup that Hank's Domino went from 3x3 to
4x4 and back to 3x4 on the 1/12 episode.  Could this be foreshadowing of
Leo's "return" in the 1/19 episode, like Hank lost a point from his killing
record when one of his victims recovered?

Just an idea.

jen
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I spent some time this morning staring at the chess board at the end of the
1/19 episode and trying to make it agree with the moves I remembered.  I
failed.  Anybody else notice this??

--rob

Do you suppose Major Briggs smokes White Owl cigars?

In article <4baSJCG00WB6A4qEoj@andrew.cmu.edu>, jq07+@andrew.cmu.edu
(Jennifer Quirin) writes:
|>Since WTAE, the ABC affiliate in Pittsburgh, had a game run late
|>which
|>pushed Twin Peaks several minute late, it appeared to me that the
|>previews
|>for the 26 Jan episode were cut so that the news could be fit on the
|>air in time to air the late movie or whatever.  If these previews
|>appeared
|>on other ABC stations, could someone please summarize and mail to one
|>of the addresses in the .sig?  Thanks
|>
|>jen
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|>University |
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January 26th?  Gee, the Colorado Stations had this subtitle under the previews:
"In Two Weeks".  Is this a local to Colorado phenomena?

brad

--
brad wherry                |  Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; 
wherry@alazif.cxo.dec.com  |     e luce ad tenebras.

The next time you see a 5'6" dwarf I'd like to meet him.

In <1991Jan20.183455.4133@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:

> >spoilers of latest episode

> >Mystery - who was the body in front of the chess
> >board in the final scene? 

The credits listed "The Dead Man" as somebody with a last name of
MacLachlan.  Perhaps he and Coop are related.
--
        ... Michael Ho, University of Nebraska
Internet: ho@hoss.unl.edu | "Mine... is the last voice that you will ever hear."
Disclaimer: Peons don't speak for bigwigs.

Headline News and others say that Twin Peaks picked up a couple of Golden
Globe awards, one for outstanding drama series and one for Coop himself.

I never knew the Globes went to TV shows, but the newscaster was quick to
notice my idiocy and explain that yes, they do give Globes for television.

Hey, I like TP.  But a Golden Globe?  I think not.  I don't watch much TV
(my TV probably watches about 2 hours of Big-Three programming each week),
but surely there's *something* out there better than TP.  Maybe?

A chum o' mine who has more than a bit of disdain for soaps says the vote
may have been out of sympathy.  "Gee, maybe if we give this show a Globe,
they'll cancel something else instead."
--
        ... Michael Ho, University of Nebraska
Internet: ho@hoss.unl.edu | "Mine... is the last voice that you will ever hear."
Disclaimer: Peons don't speak for bigwigs.

In <1991Jan20.193215.1639@isis.cs.du.edu> pbloux@isis.cs.du.edu (Paul B. Loux) writes:
> >Do you suppose Major Briggs smokes White Owl cigars?

Probably not, but the lamp on the table next to the couch in his living room
has a white owl base.

---
"                                                  !" - Marcel Marceau
Steven GrimmModerator, comp.{sources,binaries}.atari.st
koreth@ebay.sun.com...!sun!ebay!koreth

Odd, the consensus of those with whom I watched was
that Shelley was having a nightmare. (It would
hardly be the first nightmare shown as plot-development
on the show.) That she began the scene in sleep, and
that Leo's face was smeared with the cake he fell in 
days earlier were the tips-off. 

It's quite possible that this is the first of many
nightmares for Shelley (as in the previews for the next
episode). Maybe it's a premonition of Leo's resurrection.

In article <1991Jan20.181825.3693@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
   I suspect thtat that the major's search for a spiritual realm of
   light has brought him to something quite material and possibly
   quite evil. In a certain Stephen King book (I think it was
   The Stand) 

Actually, it's The Tommyknockers (borrowing from Five Million Years to
Earth/Quatermass and the Pit).

      the premise is that an alien space ship struck the
   earth in pre-history and was covered over by woods. However, something
   survived within emitting a subtle energy that effected human
   minds and bodies. It controlled the minds and healed the bodies.

Both healed and transformed into something...not human.

   Energy from the buried ship could explain certain healings such
   as people suddenly not needing their glasses any more, Leo's
   unexpected recovery and perhaps even Andrew's return from the dead.

I don't know about the other two, but certainly Leo's resuscitation
was preceded by the canonical Spielberg/Close Encounters device: power
glitches (all over TP, and not just in the Johnson abode) and
mechanical devices coming to life.  Major Briggs did say that he was
working on an offshoot of Project Blue Book that investigated goings
on under the earth.  However, as the saying goes ``All very convincing
young [wo]man, except for one fact...''  If there is a buried
spacecraft (or whatever), in Twin Peaks, why is it only now becoming
active?

-30-
Bob

``His fears as unnatural as he was able...''

In article <2347@shodha.enet.dec.com> wherry@alazif.cxo.dec.com writes:

> >January 26th?  Gee, the Colorado Stations had this subtitle under the previews:
> >"In Two Weeks".  Is this a local to Colorado phenomena?

Nope.  It isn't listed as being on in El Paso (KVIA) either.
At first I just figured that KVIA was pre-empting shows again for the 
hell of it - they tend to do that when a person on any sports team at
Univ. Tex. El Paso (UTEP) has to take a leak.  Quite often we don't get 
Star Trek: the New Generation or Twin Peaks until the wee hours of the 
morning.  Plus they invoke Syndex rules on cable to the Albuquerque station
(which is 300 miles away), so you can't get it from there either.


Sigh,
BBC

In article <1991Jan21.181940.27897@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
> >In article <87707001@bfmny0.BFM.COM> tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes:
>> >>  ... it is a CHOICE on the creators' part to go
>> >>for that "50's feel," including any potentially sexist subtext.
>> >>
>> >>The inescapable fact is that almost everything in TWIN PEAKS reinforces
>> >>traditional sex roles and attitudes.  ...
> >
> >Is it the purpose of Art to teach or to hold a mirror?

That's Hobson's choice.  Nowhere is it written that art's purpose must
be one or the other.  Not only that -- holding a mirror can teach.

> >What I think Twin Peaks does better than most everything on TV and
> >many movies is show how human weaknesses or character flaws lead
> >to dependencies or co-dependencies.  

Almost every dependency or co-dependency relationship in TWIN PEAKS
is presented as an accomplished, full-blown fact.  We are not shown how
weaknesses or character flaws LED to those relationships!  I find the
above observation somewhat wishful.

In article <17310@csli.Stanford.EDU> alper@csli.Stanford.EDU (Ted Alper) writes:
> >
> >It's quite possible that this is the first of many
> >nightmares for Shelley (as in the previews for the next
> >episode). Maybe it's a premonition of Leo's resurrection.

Maybe. Leo's body strikes me as a good home for BOB, since
the previous tenant has done BOB the courtesy of leaving it
vacant.


--Mike



-- Mike Godwin, (617) 864-0665 | Rick Blaine's Haiku: mnemonic@eff.org | "Of all the gin joints Electronic Frontier | In all the burgs in the world Foundation | She walks into mine."

hey--
this has been requested many a time, so i'll just follow the trend and ask
you tp junkies for all of the chess moves between coop and whatever his name
is.... please?

sean (scduncan@miavx1.bitnet)

The mark behind his ear was indeed the "Radiation" symbol, although
when I played back the very beginning (the stars becoming a bright
light), I noticed that the thing that came out of the sky was the same
triple-pyramid.  Not that it means anything, of course .. the Major did
say that the White Lodge was underground, before the other uniformed
gentlemen took him away ....

BTW - did anyone catch the scars on the LL's (presumably) hand in the
closing shot?  It looked as if there was something there to see, but I
wasn't quite sure *what*.  What was the move?  P-P4?

--
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Sun Microsystems \ saunders@sunkist (local)   \  ..!uunet!sun!gsaunders
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Views stated herein are my own .. my company wants nothing to do with me.

bls@u02.svl.cdc.com (Brian Scearce) writes:
> >Have we seen Earle's second move?

Yes, when Cooper got Earle's package, the one that included both P-Q4 and
the voice tape.  The tape said something like "See how my response to yours
leads us to a classical confrontation?"  Apparently, Cooper had already made
his first move, but we didn't get to see it until it got printed in the
paper the next day.  But Earle apparently knew what move Coop made, even
before it got published.

Two theories on that.  1) Earle knows Coop very well and knew what his
response would be ("Hobgoblins, Dale ...").  2) Coop made his move on his own
little chess board, and Earle has some way of finding out what move Coop
made!  This makes sense, in that Earle would have had to have a reliable way
of getting Cooper's moves in order to play the game at all.  The classifieds
method seems like a pain for Earle.  I'd rather have a spy (a pawn, as it
were) to check out Coop's chess board and report back, if I were Earle.

We seem to be seeing Earle's responses to Coop's moves before we see Coop's
moves.  Cooper has had time to play his response on his chess board, yet we
simply haven't seen what it was.  Earle has just made his third move, in
combination with a killing, as a response to Coop's unseen second move.  The
killing seems to imply a PxP.  Of course, now we have two possibilities
there as well.  1) Earle's third move was PxP.  The victim must be
representative of Cooper's pawn.  But Cooper didn't seem to know him.  2)
Coop's second move was PxP!  Perhaps Coop innocently took Earle's
unprotected KP, without realizing the consequences.  Earle had to kill one
of his own pawns (perhaps the first spy on Cooper's chess board) in order to
make reality agree with the game.  Earle's third move will be indicated on
the chess board in front of this captured pawn.  We will then find out if
Cooper's second move was indeed PxP.

Oh, BTW, since I said I would look this up as well, the GNUchess book also
hasn't heard of any openings with 1. P-Q4, P-Q4; 2. P-K4.  (As you recall, I
already looked up 1. P-K4, P-Q4; 2. P-Q4, with no success.)

- Carl Johnson

The ABC station I was watching Twin Peaks on had a "Gulf War Update"
right before Twin Peaks and then went directly into the credits,
skipping the "Previously on Twin Peaks" synopsis that precedes.
Did anyone in the country avoid missing this? If so, can you
post it for the vast majority of us who apparently did?

In article <1991Jan15.201020.2092@athena.mit.edu> jlschwar@athena.mit.edu (Jeffrey L Schwartz) writes (in a strange posting with no title and one
200-character-long line -- is this what we invented windowing
workstations for??):
> >I read in a magazine that Cooper's new love will be the woman from the
> >excellent movie Drugstore Cowboy who put the hat on the bed.  I can't
> >remember her name, but the movie's worth seeing for more than just to
> >find out who she is.

I forget the actress's name too, but I know who the boyfriend's MOTHER
was: Grace Zabriskie.

-- "NASA Awards Acronym Generation :(%( : Tom Neff System (AGS) Contract For Space : )%): tneff%bfmny@UUNET.UU.NET Station Freedom" - release 1989-9891 :(%( : ...!uunet!bfmny0!tneff

In article <1991Jan18.103018.11389@pbs.org> mpax@pbs.org writes:
> >It is more than likely that Twin Peaks will be pre-empted by news of
> >the war like everything else has.  

Gee I dunno, guys, it looked like Twin Peaks to me!!  Why all these
articles trying to predict whether it would be pre-empted?  What's the
point?  If someone gets hard schedule information, by all means post it.
-- Canadians eat only buffalo and beer pie: Live in a /\ Tom Neff vast barren land: Consume 6 billion dollars of alcohol \/ tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM per year: Always say "What will be, will be": Canadian /\ uunet!bfmny0!tneff facts -- courtesy of Republic of China Tourist Bureau \/

In article <00942CD6.87B6BA60@pip.cc.brandeis.edu> st883045@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
> >The piece was a soldier on a ****WHITE HORSE**** Remember the white horse 
> >the last time BOB appeared???? This is just my theory, and I have been 

not only that,  but in the latest epsiode,  the sprinkler in
the police station is dripping a little.  The last time water
came out of the sprinkler,  BOB was in the station...hehehe.

Bud

-- William K Glunt | Are you ABNORMAL? U of Kentucky Math Dept.| Then you are probably better than most people! 606 258 8864 | Are alien space monsters bringing a STARTLING NEW | WORLD? from _The book of the SubGenius_

In article <Bcu3V1w163w@toyshop.lonestar.org> fen@toyshop.lonestar.org (Gervase Fen) writes:
>> >> Who was the dead person in Truman's office?
> >
> >After reading all week from people who had seen the previews that the dead
> >person was the Log Lady, I was quite pleasantly surprised (if there are any
> >pleasantries associated with murder) to see that it wasn't.  And I love the
> >finger of the cadaver pointing to the chess move.

If you look closely the hand seems to have been WIRED to the deer's head
to hold it in position!  Nice touch.

I do hope they tell us who the stiff is.  Total loose ends get dreary.

Was this supposed to be scary like the BOB stuff?  Didn't seem scary.
Of course this was Todd Holland, not Lynch or Glatter.

-- Perestroika: could \O\ Tom Neff it happen here? \O\ uunet.bfm.com!bfmny0!tneff

In article <1991Jan20.211905.19191@hoss.unl.edu> ho@hoss.unl.edu (Tiny Bubbles...) writes:
> >Hey, I like TP.  But a Golden Globe?  I think not.  I don't watch much TV
> >(my TV probably watches about 2 hours of Big-Three programming each week),
> >but surely there's *something* out there better than TP.  Maybe?

Someone who doesn't watch much TV would seem to be on shaky ground claiming
that TWIN PEAKS doesn't deserve an award.  If something else is supposed
to be better, name the show or leave the Globe committee alone.

grosvald@math.berkeley.edu () writes:

> >  By the way, was it my imagination or was there more sex in Twin
> >Peaks this week than there has been at any time since Laura Palmer
> >was alive?

Methinks it's an attempt by the show to get better ratings.  It might
even work; I just hope they don't compromise the show's quality.

--
bvickers@ics.uci.edu|"One who would guide a leader of men in the uses of life
brett@ucippro.bitnet| Will warn him against the use of arms for conquest.
                    | Even the finest arms are an instrument of evil:
                    | An army's harvest is a waste of thorns." - _Tao Te Ching_

Twin-Peaks started here in Sweden in December last year. We have just
seen the mill go up in flames and Audry stuck in the the "One eyed Jacks".
What will hapend next? Will Cooper find Audry, who is BOB and Who killed 
Laura?

The next show is on tonight so mail me quick, keep me ahead of my friends!

Johan

--
Johan Montelius 
SICS, PO Box 1263, S-164 28 Kista, Sweden.
Phone: +46 8 752 15 68     Telefax: +46 8 751 72 30       Internet: jm@sics.se

Re. receiving Gulf War updates whilst watching Twin Peaks.

I don't know about the US, but we have two excellent Teletext services in the
UK (the BBC's Ceefax, and ITV's Oracle) which provide news updates among other
things. If you could persuade tv stations to broadcast Teletext news updates,
provided the majority of news-addicts had Teletext tv sets, there would be no
need to pre-empt other programmes.

Richard.

ps. Does "thick" really mean the same thing in the US (ie. stupid)?.

Mrs. Patriot : "Do you see creamed SCUD missiles..."

/ hpopd:alt.tv.twin-peaks / gearyhs@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Star Child) /  8:39 pm  Jan 18, 1991 /

> >            BOB is in Hussein...          ))

"Do you see SCUD missiles..."

Surely BOB wouldn't be so stupid?

Well folks look whose back (not in any order of significance):

1.  Ben
2.  Leo
3.  Invitation to Love
4.  The stoplight
5.  The wind in the pines
6.  The moon
7.  Owls
8.  Dead bodies

Can Bob be far behind?


Linda
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To all those who thought I was being derogatory regarding the
height comment, I was not and I apologize for any offense taken.
But where I come from this is not the average height range for men.
5' 9" although common would be on the low end (maybe we grow them
bigger in Canada, must be all that beer and buffalo meat :) ).


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Hi there,

I noticed that the chess board at the end was wrong.  The knight and
pawn on white's (whyndam's?  The b---ard.  Coop should be white)  were missing.
I suppose it's possible that they were knocked over when the (male) body
and accessories were moved in, but it seems odd that they weren't lying on
the board and that none of the other pieces were knocked over.  I don't mind
if this is just a continuity error, but with TP you can never tell what 
has meaning and what doesn't.  

chuck d. kincaid
statman@stat.ufl.edu

      There was no pre-emption...so there.

After having enjoyed another top-quality episode, there I sat eagerly awaiting
the preview for next week's, my finger poised on the pause button. The preview
had just started when all of a sudden the local news weasels at Boston's WCVB
decided to obliterate the soundtrack with their voiceover news teaser (appar-
ently the usual practice of doing this over the credits was not intrusive
enough). Lunging for the cable remote, I quickly switched to the Providence
ABC affiliate, and there, lo and behold was General Horne reviewing the troops
at the Great Northern. "Aha!" I exclaimed, realizing that the Providence
College basketball game had run late thus causing TP to be aired on a 15-minute
delay - fate had intervened on my behalf. After watching the almost-instant
replay of the last quarter of the show, I was ready to be rewarded with the
preview. The now-familiar sequence of commercials had just finished when what
should appear but a public service announcement with Bob "The Most Annoying
Person on Television" Saget, followed by the rolling TP credits. Aaaargh!!!

Would some kind soul fortunate enough to have seen and heard the preview
please post a description, thus relieving my torment?

Many Thanks,
Matt
hefferman@bbn.com

In article <1991Jan19.075351.37850@eagle.wesleyan.edu> dkonerding@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Rafael Juarez) writes:
[stuff deleted]
> >
> >When Cooper is speaking to Harry, in the police station, behind them,
> >framed perfectly by their heads, on a billboard, sits a poster that says "Mom
> >and dad--- I use drugs!".
> >
> >Now, I've seen that poster before, but I've never really understood if
> >it stood for a particular movement or whether it simply just existed as a
> >popular poster........  
[more stuff deleted]

I noticed that too. But I think that's an anti-drug poster. The poster actually
has a picture of hand-held sign with the phrase "Mom and Dad - I Use Drugs!".
Underneath the picture of the sign, it says something like "Unfortunately,
the signs of drug use aren't this obvious." I am paraphrasing, but the message
is that parents should be on the lookout for drug use. It's very typical
of the type of poster that one might expect to find in the offices of a
law enforcement agency. I think the shows producers are just trying to add
some elements of realism to the show.

being something to the effe

In article <9101200038.aa24023@BONNIE.ICS.UCI.EDU>, dcoteles@BONNIE.ICS.UCI.EDU
says:
Comments deleted
> >What-her-name with James in front of the newly fixed car kisses James really
> >passionately, but she also unzips his pants. (She also discards her shall(??))
> >h o t  s t u f f ! !

While this scene had potential to be "hot stuff", personally I found
James and Evelyn to be as erotic as a cold shower and I don't think
it had anything to do with censors.  The chemistry between those two
is about as electrifying as 1 watt light bulb.

Now Harry and Josie, they are a different story.

One addition to your list, Nadine and Mike.  Anyone notice the look on
Mike's face after Nadine finished vacuuming his face? I could't decide
whether he was in shock or if he actually saw Nadine's potential as a
lover :).

Linda
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In article <91020.130217LJL4@psuvm.psu.edu> LJL4@psuvm.psu.edu (Lisa Laidlaw) writes:
> >
> >book called A CERTAIN TENDENCY OF THE HOLLYWOOD CINEMA (ROBERT B. RAY),
> >that talks about a masterplot of hllywood, the outlaw hero.  The
> >outlaw hero can be found in movie after movie, it is the usually male
> >lead who at first is a "bad guy" but eventually is reborn to be
> >the plots savior, or the adoring husband.  Rick Blaine, Rhett Butler
> >are examples.  Rogues who buy into the western way, and become
> >dependable and responsible.  Ben Horne is my pick for the TP
> >OUTLAW HERO character.  He is showing signs of softening, and I
> >predict he will function to save the town somewhere down the road.
> >
I agree. I too have a sharp eye and a keen appreciation for OUTLAW HEROS.
If you have a sense of humour about such things, try to get a hold of a
copy of EVIL ROY SLADE, a spoof of such types.
 
> >Denise is Dennis again, and that is interesting, because he isn't
> >too ugly, almost a Richard Gere resemblance. . .somehow. 
 
I noticed the same resemblance and it made me
wonder how good Richard would look in a dress. Denise/Dennis is
an attractive character. If he doesn't like women, its definitely our loss!

> >I like Audrey, even if she is accused of being a poor actress.  Her
> >character is more appealing than the other teens--to me anyway.
> >I think I always like a woman acrtress who has hips, instead of
> >being built like a fourteen year old boy.  Dumb reason to like
> >her but I admit it's comforting to know we don't have just see
> >other woman who are twigs.  We have good company.
 
I like Audrey and, like you, appreciate her because she signals the
return of a personality and body type long missed from the screen.
> >
> >FINAL AND MOST IMPORTANT IDEA: Is there anyone out there who
> >is interested in kicking around Doc Hayward's role in all this?
> >I wonder why he is everywhere all the time. His hand is in everything.
> >Is he a bad guy. . .I say somehow the answer is YYYEEEESSS!
> >Lisa Laidlaw McCLure  PSU

Well, Cooper did have a strange reaction to Doc one episode, saying "Doc,
do you approve of murder?!"
But mostly I just feel that his youngest daughter will be seen again
before all this is over.
 
a.h.

In article <0094308A.F1CF6CA0@ELM.CIRCA.UFL.EDU>, statman@oak.circa.ufl.edu (Charles D. Kincaid) writes:
> > Hi there,
> > 
> > I noticed that the chess board at the end was wrong.  The knight and
> > pawn on white's (whyndam's?  The b---ard.  Coop should be white)  were missing.
> > I suppose it's possible that they were knocked over when the (male) body
> > and accessories were moved in, but it seems odd that they weren't lying on
> > the board and that none of the other pieces were knocked over.  I don't mind
> > if this is just a continuity error, but with TP you can never tell what 
> > has meaning and what doesn't.  
> > 
> > chuck d. kincaid
> > statman@stat.ufl.edu

  Also, if I remember correctly, Earle's first move was P-K4, and
white still had its king pawn sitting in its starting square at K2.

Jeff Kouba
jak@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu

 I live in Iowa. This is my curse. The pinheads at the local ABC station
here showed some meaningless college basketball game Saturday that,
of course, went later than 9PM. And, instead of showing Twin Peaks
in its entirety, they joined the show "already in progress." Well, as
luck would have it, last weeks episode was pretty poor, and from what
friends in Minneapolis tell me, I missed the only scenes worth seeing,
(except for the very end.)
 I am told there was an interesting scene with Major Briggs. Could
someone e-mail me a detailed description of what happened in the scene
with Major Briggs, and if possible, give me a transcript of what he
said?
 Thank you very much.

Jeff Kouba
Department of Physics and Astronomy
University of Iowa
INET: jak@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu

In the referenced message, saunders@gesundheit.West.Sun.COM (Gene Saunders) wrote:
}The mark behind his ear was indeed the "Radiation" symbol, although
}when I played back the very beginning (the stars becoming a bright
}light), I noticed that the thing that came out of the sky was the same
}triple-pyramid.

It's not the radiation symbol.  The radiation symbol is three truncated
sectors with a dot in the middle.  The triple triangle is the fallout
shelter symbol.
---
Jef

  Jef Poskanzer  jef@well.sf.ca.us  {apple, ucbvax, hplabs}!well!jef
                       "You have my gratitude."

In article <1332@west.West.Sun.COM> saunders@gesundheit.West.Sun.COM (Gene Saunders) writes:
> >The mark behind his ear was indeed the "Radiation" symbol, although
> >when I played back the very beginning (the stars becoming a bright
> >light), I noticed that the thing that came out of the sky was the same
> >triple-pyramid.  Not that it means anything, of course .. the Major did
> >say that the White Lodge was underground, before the other uniformed
> >gentlemen took him away ....
> >

I have a vague memory of an old science fiction movie in which alien space-
ships come to earth and burrow into the ground. When they catch people, they
alter them to do their (the aliens') will, leaving them with a mark
just behind the ear (this was how you could tell who had been taken over).
I saw this in my impressionable childhood, and it lives on only as a memory 
of early terror. I don't remember much else about it, except that part
of the plot revolved around a little kid finding the entrance to the ship 
while he was out playing (whether this was crucial to the plot or just 
important to me because I was a little kid at the time, I do not know). Anyhow,
the most recent TP reminded me of this long-buried memory - anybody else 
remember this?

In article <87707001@bfmny0.BFM.COM> tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes:
> >
> >We may never figure out how and why people think :-) but we can
> >at least investigate whether Twin Peaks is in fact sexist.
> >
>> >>Male characters predominate, but that is fair enough I think for
>> >>a cop show with a 50's feel.  
> >
> >What this overlooks it that it is a CHOICE on the creators' part to go
> >for that "50's feel," including any potentially sexist subtext.
> >
> >The inescapable fact is that almost everything in TWIN PEAKS reinforces
> >traditional sex roles and attitudes.  The girls may skulk around at
> >night hunting for clues, but when the school bell rings they're demure
> >bobbysoxers gushing over cute guys once again.  Tough, laconic men tote
> >the guns, ride the Harleys, pump the gas and fix the engines.  Strong
> >women are scheming bitches.  Bad women are slit-skirted hussies.
> >Mothers are mostly submissive housewives if they're not actually
> >drugged, crippled, zombied or worse.  Women kill with sex! but are
> >themselves raped, beaten and tortured to death, while the men mostly go
> >out in a blaze of gunfire or flashing knives.  
> >

Is it the purpose of Art to teach or to hold a mirror?
What I think Twin Peaks does better than most everything on TV and
many movies is show how human weaknesses or character flaws lead
to dependencies or co-dependencies.  

My impression of Twin Peaks is that the men tend to appear less
intelligent than the women in general, and that the women are
trapped in relationships or by society sometimes through their
own fault and sometimes through no fault of their own.  In the
latter case, I believe that is holding up a pretty good mirror,
even though it is unsettling because it lacks the escapism 
of most TV and movies in the realm of interpersonal relationships.
The heros and heroines are not as heroic as we are used too.

Gerald

IMHO this latest show succeeded in picking up the shows tempo.  I liked
many scenes in the show.  Some comments:

  - I have not read any comments on the Nadine attack on Hank.  Although the 
scene was somewhat lame, I could not control myself from bursting out 
laughing.  Did Nadine swinging her bag around her head remind anyone else of 
Leo swinging the sock around his head when he attacked Shelly?  This has 
always been one of my most terrifying scenes.

  - Congrats to the people who said James was being set up.  You people sure
make me look smart to other TP followers who aren't on the net.

  - People have been bashing James for months on the net.  I have kept silent
until now.  I have always liked the character of James.  I think people view
the acting as slow, dull, and boring.  This is the style of the character.
I like this style.  I would call this a Brando-ish style (I made that term up).
Go ahead and make my day- flame me.

       Alexander Breen
abreen@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
(Where Else?)
IOWA SUCKS!!!

alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:

> >  
> > Mystery - who was the body in front of the chess
> > board in the final scene? 
> >  
> > The hair was long like BOB's  or like Shelley's!
> > But closer examination by freeze frame showed that the 
> > chin was too big-boned to be BOB's and too
> > hairy to be Shelley's or the Log Lady's (unless the
> > Log Lady ain't no lady!)
> >  
> > I think the body was definitely of a man despite the long
> > hair. The only man with hair below his shoulders like that
> > (that I can think of)  is Dennis/Denise, but he would not be
> > 'caught dead' in such casual and macho clothes.
 
  Why not aim for the most simple solution: the body is that of an innocent  
street-person.  There is no reason to believe anything more than that.  It 
also adds a certain amount of menace/evil to Wyndham's character: he can 
kill a stranger in cold blood, with no further purpose than to scare his 
ex-partner.

 > jstahlhu@athena.mit.edu <Julie Kozaczka Stahlhut>

 > BTW, I've twice witnessed the spectacle of every male in the area
 > swarming around a female and listening intently.  In both cases, the
 > female people involved were "new kids on the block".

I just finished reading Diane Ackerman's A NATURAL HISTORY OF THE SENSES.
(Recommend it: a bit lightweight, but some fascinating facts/factoids/
speculations, and it's ravishingly written.) She mentions, without cita-
tion, some research that shows that when a "new" woman enters a room,
all the men present who don't know her experience a jump in testoserone
level. A similar thing happens to women when a "new" man enters their 
ken. 

Someone who knows about this research will probably correct the details
(a.h.?).

-->Keith
dawson@epps.kodak.com
--
-->Keith
dawson@epps.kodak.com

In article <3814@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, russelrd@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
(Robert Russell) writes:
|> In article <1991Jan15.233650.25873@math.lsa.umich.edu>
ekushnir@math.lsa.umich.edu (Eugene Kushnirsky) writes:
|> >Fine. Suppose a man as calculating as Ben Horne could snap after a
series of 
|> >financial losses and public humiliation. Would the resulting
insanity manifest
|> >itself in an obsession with toy soldiers? Do you really think Ben's
character
|> >isn't being milked for comic relief?
|> 
|> Well, maybe Ben is "faking" his insanity in order
|> to move along some big plan of his on his enemies.
|> 
|> -Matt Brockman

Close, but no cigar....

You can't execute legal documents, such as the transfer of land and property,
if you aren't mentally competent.  If Ben has gone "insane", the transfer of
the mill to Catherine might not  be binding. Don't be supprised to see a 
story line develop along these lines with Jerry in on it.  

If someone else has already proposed this, my appologies for repeating them.

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Some miscellaneous questions, observations and opinions:

1) Is the actor who plays Albert Rosenfeld (Miguel Ferrer) any relation
   to Jose Ferrer? There appears (to me) to be a definite resemblance and
   no, all persons with Spanish surnames do not look alike to me.

2) Is Dana Ashbrook Robby Benson's evil twin brother?
   I liked him better early in the show, when he was an eviller dude
   (don't feel obliged to correct my speling or grammer, here.)

3) IMO, the chess game is highly overrated as a mirror of the plot.
   The opening so far is peurile, symmetric (Ben Horne would like this)
   and boring with a capital B. Old farts would probably contradict me on
   this point, saying that the opening is "classical" or something to that
   effect. I think they should get the knights involved (the "white horse",
   perhaps) and, now that some diagonal lanes are opened, the bishops,
   if they want to make things interesting, but then again, maybe they don't.
   Where is Garry Kasparov when you need him?

   Then again, if they had wanted to make things REALLY interesting, the
   game would have been Go, not chess. This would have tied in nicely
   with both the China connection and with the nonwestern thought/eastern
   mysticism plot line in the show. I quote from Trevanian's "Shibumi":
   "Go is to western chess as philosophy is to double-entry accounting" - 
   Nicholai Alexandrovitch Hel to a curious military MP. "No Shit?" - the MP.
   Readers familiar with this novel will probably agree that both Cooper
   and Major Briggs are on the path to becoming men of shibumi.

4) No doubt about it, the widow is a witch. It's possible that little Nicky
   is, also, but not probable. Which witch is which, I'm not sure of.
   Since when did Hawk become a raving egotist, or this part of the widow's
   spell? What, if any, is the significance of the milk drink they were
   having while held in thrall by the widow? Who am I so wise in the ways
   of science? Are they going to build a bridge out the widow? Do small
   pebbles really float? Is Bob, who was an owl, now a duck? How much does
   the duck weigh? Am I trying to avoid getting any real work done?

*--Ernst W. Mayer - GSRA, Aerospace Engineering/Applied Mathematics-*
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In article <1991Jan21.181940.27897@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
> >In article <87707001@bfmny0.BFM.COM> tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes:
>> >>
>> >>The inescapable fact is that almost everything in TWIN PEAKS reinforces
>> >>traditional sex roles and attitudes. ... 
> >
> >Is it the purpose of Art to teach or to hold a mirror?
> >
Good questions.  I think that Twin Peaks tends to be a rumination on
the past disguised as the present. Like most artists, I think
that Lynch is considering his life experience, starting with
him formative years in the 50's but showing how his perceptions have 
somewhat changed. For instance, Bobby is like an old-style hipster but
when he calls Audrey "baby" she objects like a new-style feminist.
Without giving TP too much credit for deepness, I think it is sometimes
like a socio-drama pitting the values of various classes and generations
against one another. Curiously,  the characters chronological age does  
not necessarily match the era they represent, ie. Jame's simple
world view seems odd in so young a man. He seems out of time, an anachronism.
 

I find the male characters in Twin Peaks, the heros at least, very 
conventional and conforming while the women are more rebellious.
I find this to be true in real life as well because conforming
does not reward women as well as it rewards men.
I have heard the theory that women are commonly less loyal to
the status quo and smart strong women are usually non-conformist.
 
Just some thoughts.....

The 50's movie was "Invaders from Mars," and it's a classic. Don't
remember who the director was. Tobe hooper did a remake a couple
of years ago, and it wasn't bad as such things go. Much more F/X
of course than the original, in which you could see the zippers
on the backs of the alien goons' costumes. We're talking low budget.
--
-->Keith
dawson@epps.kodak.com

Miguel Ferrer is Jose Ferrer's son.

In article <1991Jan21.184153.18383@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> abreen@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alex Breen) writes:
> >
> >  - People have been bashing James for months on the net.  I have kept silent
> >until now.  I have always liked the character of James.  I think people view
> >the acting as slow, dull, and boring.  This is the style of the character.
> >I like this style.  I would call this a Brando-ish style (I made that term up).
> >Go ahead and make my day- flame me.
> >
BRAVO!  Defending your favourite characters is good for the soul.
 
James is a basic guy, no frills. Not too much imagination either which
makes him vulnerable to the unexpected. 
Me, I like Dick because he is so non-basic, frilly and imaginative,
which makes him vulnerable to the non-existent.

In article <1991Jan21.081710.12369@sics.se> jm@sics.se (Johan Montelius) writes:
> >
> >Twin-Peaks started here in Sweden in December last year. We have just
> >seen the mill go up in flames and Audry stuck in the the "One eyed Jacks".
> >What will hapend next? Will Cooper find Audry, who is BOB and Who killed 
> >Laura?

Yes, Coop finds Audry.  BOB killed Laura Palmer.  Now, you need to find out
who BOB is.  No, I won't tell you.  You have to wait out the weeks just
like we did.




--Kirkl

Power to the People.

"Help me, Obi-Ron Kenobi, you're my only hope."
-- Princess Leia "Babs" Bush, The Adventures of Kirk Skywalker and Rob Solo

I think that the 3 triangle mark on his neck was a symbolic
representation of the fire sprinkler on the ceiling through
which BOB was able to escape.

I think that Leo has now acquire one of the souls that wander
in the woods...perhaps even BOB!

In article <1991Jan15.233650.25873@math.lsa.umich.edu>, ekushnir@math (Eugene Kushnirsky) writes:
> >Fine. Suppose a man as calculating as Ben Horne could snap after a series of 
> >financial losses and public humiliation. Would the resulting insanity manifest
> >itself in an obsession with toy soldiers? Do you really think Ben's character
> >isn't being milked for comic relief?

Yes, it is, but I don't think it's being done in the way that you think.
Every so often, Ben demonstrates enough lucidity that I come to the
conclusion that he's putting this elongated act on for the purpose of
putting his enemies at ease.  When he's fully done so, he'll snap back
to calm and rational and strike back.

--woodstock
-- "What I like is when you're looking and thinking and looking and thinking...and suddenly you wake up." - Hobbes nhess@us.oracle.com or ...!uunet!oracle!nhess or (415) 506-2650

In article <9101200037.aa24011@BONNIE.ICS.UCI.EDU> dcoteles@BONNIE.ICS.UCI.EDU writes:
> >
> >About that last move Windam Earl did, who is that dead woman?
> >
I think it was a man. The credits listed something like:

CORPSE......Craig Maclachan  (spelling is wrong, same as Kyles)

> >Another question to ask: James is being set up for WHAT?
> >It's obvious that Lucky and whats-her-name are not brother/sister,
> >but if they are, that's weird (Perfect for this show.)
> >

GOD IS HE SUPID. HE COULD GET SET UP FOR ANYTHING.

In article <0094308A.F1CF6CA0@ELM.CIRCA.UFL.EDU> statman@oak.circa.ufl.edu (Charles D. Kincaid) writes:
> >Hi there,
> >
> >I noticed that the chess board at the end was wrong.  The knight and
> >pawn on white's (whyndam's?  The b---ard.  Coop should be white)  were missing.
> >I suppose it's possible that they were knocked over when the (male) body
> >and accessories were moved in, but it seems odd that they weren't lying on
> >the board and that none of the other pieces were knocked over.  I don't mind
> >if this is just a continuity error, but with TP you can never tell what 
> >has meaning and what doesn't.  
> >
> >chuck d. kincaid
> >statman@stat.ufl.edu

I don't believe Lynch and Company know anything about chess other than
that it's supposed to be a battle of wits. And it's rich with metaphors
(sacrificing pawns, the king must die, etc). However, in all my
"chess deals", I never heard of the opening 1. P-K4 P-Q4.
I don't believe anyone of any strength would play this.

And yes, the board was pretty bogus. White's KNP and KN were gone.
I don't believe that the discrepancy can be explained by the body
knocking them down. If I were W.E., I would set the board up last
and make sure it was correct.

And wasn't the body female?
-- Root Boy Jim Cottrell <rbj@uunet.uu.net> Close the gap of the dark year in between

(1) James opens Champagne bottle, pours, sets it on seat.
(2) James and Rich Bitch (I forget her name) talk.
(3) RB leans on fender, seductively.
(4) James tosses Champagne (what a cretin) onto ground,
    sets glasses on front seat, jumps RB's bones.
(5) WHERE DID THE CHAMPAGE BOTTLE GO?

-- Root Boy Jim Cottrell <rbj@uunet.uu.net> Close the gap of the dark year in between

In article <35679@netnews.upenn.edu> vinson@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Jack Vinson) writes:
> >think it was very obvious that she (Audrey) was fascinated by the fact that
> >there were female  ("well, sort of") agents.  She wants to be a G-Woman /
> >detective so she can get closer to Coop.

I disagree. I think Audrey fell for Cooper because of what he
represented to her, and now she sees the chance to achieve those
things for herself, rather than through him.
-- c2h5oh@ucscb.ucsc.edu | "Now what on earth does 'cream the butter' | mean? I'd better look it up. I hope it's in | this dictionary of Pictish and Proto-Saxon."

In article <1991Jan21.005954.8878@eff.org> mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
> >In article <17310@csli.Stanford.EDU> alper@csli.Stanford.EDU (Ted Alper) writes:
>> >>
>> >>It's quite possible that this is the first of many
>> >>nightmares for Shelley (as in the previews for the next
>> >>episode). Maybe it's a premonition of Leo's resurrection.
> >
> >Maybe. Leo's body strikes me as a good home for BOB, since
> >the previous tenant has done BOB the courtesy of leaving it
> >vacant.

The record player that was turned on might lend some support for this theory.


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In article <1991Jan21.104013.995@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu> jak@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu writes:
> >In article <0094308A.F1CF6CA0@ELM.CIRCA.UFL.EDU>, statman@oak.circa.ufl.edu (Charles D. Kincaid) writes:
>> >> Hi there,
>> >> 
>> >> I noticed that the chess board at the end was wrong.  The knight and
>> >> pawn on white's (whyndam's?  The b---ard.  Coop should be white)  were missing.
>> >> I suppose it's possible that they were knocked over when the (male) body
>> >> and accessories were moved in, but it seems odd that they weren't lying on
>> >> the board and that none of the other pieces were knocked over.  I don't mind
>> >> if this is just a continuity error, but with TP you can never tell what 
>> >> has meaning and what doesn't.  
>> >> 
>> >> chuck d. kincaid
>> >> statman@stat.ufl.edu
> >
> >  Also, if I remember correctly, Earle's first move was P-K4, and
> >white still had its king pawn sitting in its starting square at K2.

We might as well forget the chessboard game going on. On the board in
Truman's office, black has two bishops on white squares.

Either this is Wyndham's way of telling Coop that he's going to
cheat (or that the board game is meaningless), or it's yet another
continuity glitch.

-- Dave Mack

   Hey, did you all notice the running theme on the last episode? 
People kissing other people in uniform!

Ben (in Civil War uniform) kissed by Catherine
James (Mechanic's) by I forgot her name- the damsel in distress
Josie (Maid's) kissed by Harry
Another blank--the waitress married to Hank (Waitress') kissed by Ed
Nadine (Cheerleader's) kissing Mike.

What ever the hell it means...

oh, notice all the water, too?

MJS Brandeis '89

In article <1991Jan21.184153.18383@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> abreen@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Alex Breen) writes:

> >  - I have not read any comments on the Nadine attack on Hank.  Although the 
> >scene was somewhat lame, I could not control myself from bursting out 
> >laughing.

I think I would have preferred that Nadine hadn't shown up. At worst, Ed would
have taken the lumps he deserved and at best a dull character would have been
eliminated.

Besides which, Nadine is becoming really irritating. 
(The scene with Mike--EEEEEWWWWWWW!) 


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In article <1991Jan16.202418.25028@athena.mit.edu> jstahlhu@athena.mit.edu (Julie Kozaczka Stahlhut) writes:
> >
> >Hmm -- I'm curious -- maybe I should post this to one of the sex boards! :-)
> >I know that many male transvestites aren't gay, but is it common for a
> >male heterosexual transvestite to use campy gestures?
> >
> >Then again, Dennis/Denise isn't 100% campy -- s/he makes no effort to
> >speak in a falsely high-pitched voice.  I mean, I know this is ONLYL
> >A TV SHOW, and that the writers may want to keep us guessing as to
> >whether Dennis/Denise is straight, gay, or bi, but I'm just wondering
> >what the educated guesses might be from readers more familiar with
> >the subject!  :-)

It is extremely unclear whether Denise is meant to be a transvestite
or a transexual - in other words, whether s/he just likes to dress up
in women's clothing or feels like a woman trapped in a man's body.
Early indications strongly suggested the latter - the fact that she
was now going by the name Denise and dressing as a woman even during
work. The comment on the last show though, seemed more suggestive of
transvestism. Perhaps Denise is just an androgynous anomoly who fits
into no neat categories...if so, truly a fascinating creation! 
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In article <19186@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
> >In article <19178@shlump.nac.dec.com>, boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes...
> >
> >} He said, "I would like to make love to a beautiful woman." That's it.
> >
> >Correction (thanks to Karen van Hoek):
> >
> >"I would like to make love to a beautiful woman for whom I had a genuine
> >affection."
> >
> >Not that this really changes anything in determining Coop's "requirements".

Do you really see no difference? That's frightening.

I'm sure Cooper has had any number of oppurtunities to make love to
beautiful women. It's the second part that's so important.

Of course, if he wasn't so damn virtuous he could fufill all his
requirements easily enough....
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> >The hair was long like BOB's  or like Shelley's!
> >But closer examination by freeze frame showed that the 
> >chin was too big-boned to be BOB's and too
> >hairy to be Shelley's or the Log Lady's (unless the
> >Log Lady ain't no lady!)
> >
> >I think the body was definitely of a man despite the long
> >hair. The only man with hair below his shoulders like that
> >(that I can think of)  is Dennis/Denise, but he would not be
> >'caught dead' in such casual and macho clothes.

A man?  That's news to me.
Of course the other man with long hair in Twin Peaks is the forgotten
character/James's friend/BOB lookalike Joey Paulsen.
Naah, i don't believe it either.


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In article <1991Jan21.192859.22362@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >I find the male characters in Twin Peaks, the heros at least, very 
> >conventional and conforming while the women are more rebellious.

You mean like Coop, the Tibetan baseball pitcher?

Dennis/Denise?

Hawk, writing poetry to his girlfriend, Diane Shapiro, PhD, Brandeis?

Harry Truman, sheriff and leader of a secret vigilante society
that fights the Evil in the Woods (and lover of Ms. Fu Manchu.)

Major Briggs, Air Force Major, clandestine UFO researcher and
psychic/time traveler?

Dr. Jacoby, inventor of the prestidigitation cure?

Albert, the sarcastic pacifist?

Dick and Andy might be considered conventional; one is a fop and
the other is thick as a brick. And of course, James and Ed are
pretty conventional, in a rebel-without-a-brain sort of way.

The only really conventional man in the show is Doc Hayward.

Have I missed anyone?

-- Dave Mack

I missed the last episode.  Would anyone kindly e-mail a summary?  Or even
better, is there anyone in Berkeley who would be willing to lend me a
videotape of the episode?

Thanks in advance...
Ron Kleiner
ronklein@math.berkeley.edu

In article <0094308A.F1CF6CA0@ELM.CIRCA.UFL.EDU> statman@oak.circa.ufl.edu (Charles D. Kincaid) writes:
> >
> >I noticed that the chess board at the end was wrong.  The knight and
> >pawn on white's (whyndam's?  The b---ard.  Coop should be white)  were missing.

The white knight is missing?  I suppose either he's making mystical appearances
at the Palmer house or he's being stepped on by Audrey.  There seems to be too
much of a white horse theme here for it to be an accident, but that doesn't
necessarily mean it means anything, any more than the return of deer head to
the table means anything.  Personally I think the dead man is a manikin.  A
Cooper doll in a trick wig.  I have no reason for believing this.

In article <59940007@hpopd.pwd.hp.com> richardh@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Richard Hancock) writes:
> >ps. Does "thick" really mean the same thing in the US (ie. stupid)?.

It is sometimes used that way although not very often.

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