Season 2, Episode 19: Variations on Relations — April 11–17, 1991

Hey Fiona!  Just got our Gazette.  I really liked your article on the
Usenet.  Now maybe my roommate will know what I'm talking about.  (They
don't have access at the Pentagon because of securitiy).

Will we get a new penquin joke tonight?  Just 12 more hours.  Yaay!

--Cool Bean
"He has a poor sense of recreation."
-- **This is not cultural.

I have just learned from Lynch Frost productions that ABC is taking the last
two episodes (the last was to air on May 2nd) and moving them to Monday,
June 10th, back to back in the next available Monday night movie slot...

I had been planning, in detail, a TP party here in Burlington Vermont, with
some of the TP actors attending, and the mayor welcoming them to our city.
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I had already arranged for donations of food and equipment and space
and now the plans are shot doen the tubes...

Obviously, ABC has completely given up on our show...
May 2nd would have been ratings week, and rather than risk it, they took Twin
Peaks out of the running...The month and a half gap that will lie between
the April 18th and June 10th episodes will kill the show.

I have heard (unofficially) that Lynch/Frost productions will have meetings
with other networks within the next few weeks.
Keep your fingers crossed....

Brad Searles,
President, COOP Vermont:
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Could some kind person mail me the latest TP quotes list... I've been away from 
the net for a while and haven't been able to read the group.

Thanks,
Steve

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If it is indeed true that TP has been cancelled, it will no doubt
spark a fair amount of outcry and complaints and if such complaints
are loud and voluminous enough, it may even get brought back.

But are we sure we want that?

Consider this: when Star Trek was cancelled after two seasons in the
sixties, there was a letter-writing campaign to save the show.  The
show succeeded and we were promptly blessed with such fine
entertainment as "Spock's Brain".

As a comic book reader, I've watched more than one series that I
really loved go gradually downhill until a series that I once adored
was just retreading the same things over and over and going nowhere.

After writing two of the finest novels in American literary history,
Mark Twain followed this in later years with novels like "Tom Sawyer
Detective" and "Tom Sawyer Abroad", which while not without interest,
were far lesser novels and have generally faded into obscurity.

In the world of music there are countless bands who produced mediocre
music in their later years by not knowing when to quit.  They are
certainly entitled to do so, but I vote with my wallet and have little
patience to watch a dead horse being beaten.  Arguably, The Beatles
broke up at exactly the right time.

I firmly believe that Twin Peaks is one of the finest television shows
in the history of the medium.  Period.  

I also have defended the series against detractors who went along with
the standard wisdom that the show was only good in its first season,
or even that only the first few episodes of the first season were any
good. But I can sense that much of what the show had to say has been
said, and been said beautifully.  In other words, I'm starting to think
that I'd like to see them quit while they're ahead and while I still
love it.

The essence of the show for me has always been David Lynch and Mark
Frost's vision.  One of the things I fear most is that if the show
went on, eventually they would take even more of a secondary role in
the series than they have this season and eventually retreat to other
new projects that interest them.  Given their past record (or Lynch's
at least), the TP cast will certainly not be wanting for work - indeed
Lynch, like Woody Allen or Roger Corman almost seems to have a
travelling cast that will always turn up in his films.  In fact, I
believe that with the exception of "The Elephant Man" Jack Nance has
been in every one of Lynch's productions.

Now I could be totally wrong - the series could get renewed, Lynch and
Frost could stick with it and stay interested, the cast could stay and
grow, etc.  And I admit, it is hard to imagine closing the book on the
series forever.  But it might not have to be that way either - I'd
like to see more material like "The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer" and
the "Diane..." tape.  I'd even like to see occasional TV movies or
theatrical features.  I simply am afraid that if the series went on,
with 22 epsidoes a year, the high quality would be difficult to
maintain.  Even I have to admit that the second season really hasn't
been as completely brilliant as the first.  At this point I'm
interested in seeing what else Lynch and Frost can do - things like
their new sitcom, Lynch's "Ronnie Rocket", etc.

Please don't flame me without thinking about this for a moment or two.

- Dan
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|Dan Parmenter|Think! It ain't illegal yet!  |dan@gnu.ai.mit.edu   |
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- Coop, Andy, Hawk, and Truman are back at Owl Cave and find a new
  petroglyph(?) which has a lot of elements in it: a circle of dots,
  a short and tall person, fire,etc.
- WE talks to Leo and a party animal indian(?), who thought he was
  invited to a party, about the White Lodge and the Black Lodge. On
  a computer is the petroglygh from Owl Cave.
- Pete tries to create a poem on Josie but is interrupted by
  Catherine. She hasn't been able to open the box left by Eckardt's
  assistant. Pete tells her it's a puzzle box that could take
  YEARS to open.
- At the R&R Bobby tries to convince Shelley to enter Miss TP.
  Elseware at the R&R, WM tries to convince the mayor to help her
  win the contest since he's a judge of the contest. Dale is
  getting some coffees for his team who went to Owl Cave. He
  also makes a date with Annie (a nature study) in the afternoon,
  4:00 sharp. He also hears a piece of the poem Shelley was
  reciting and gets her piece of the message the three 'queens'
  got.
- Coop tells Truman that the message was from WE. He also said
  that he recited the poem to WE's wife (Caroline, wasn't it?).
- Major Briggs in conference room and tells that Leo's
  disappearance, Owl Cave, and  WE are all related.
- We see a silouette of a hooded figure. When the silouette
  comes toward the screen, a starscape is seen in the
  silouette, and owl flies in the starscape and we then see a
  wall of fire appear.
- Before or after the previous scene, Cooper asks for WE's
  file for Project Bluebook, he also compares handwriting
  of Leo's and the note sent to the 'queens' and says that
  Leo wrote the note from WE.
- PDI is in a papermache of something and WE asks for an
  arrow. Leo doesn't want to but those shocks from his
  collar convinced him to. WE loads a crossbow and shoots
  an arrow at PDI (Party-Dude Indian) who cant move in
  the papermache and chickenwire sculpture(?) and we can
  only see the PDI from the neck up so I would assume
  WE's arrow pierced PDI's heart because PDI died
  instantly. (I don't know but I think if there was a
  party and I was invited, and there was two people one
  who spoke of a mystic place and played a flute, I
  I wouldn't get killed that easily.)
- Miss TP Committee (MTPC) meets and Ben basically said
  the speeches should be how the contestants would save the
  woods. The MTPC would take it under advisement. The MTPC
  are Doc Hayward, the Mayor, and Pete.(Pete is a both a chess
  pro AND a beauty judge? Go figure.)
- People who want to be Miss TP contestants include Donna,
  Shelley, WM, and Nadine!?!?!?! (AAAAAAAAARRRRGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!)
- Mike (the wrestler) whispers to Bobby what you get when you
  mix sexual maturity with increased strength. Bobby shouted
  his amazement by saying to the meaning of WWWWOOOOAAAAHHH!!!
  and everyone in the room looked at Bobby.
- Truman asks Catherine why Josie did what she did. (Isn't she
  the last person to ask. Where is her brother by the way?)
  She shows Truman the puzzle box. Pete came in and tried to
  take the box but it dropped and opened. The contents in the
  box seems to be another puzzle box which seems to have
  astrological signs in a circle and phases of the moon in an
  outer circle.
- Annie and Coop are in a boat, Annie told Coop that she had
  one sr. yr. boyfriend and because of that boyfriend, there
  are scars on Annie's wrist before she entered the convent.
  Coop kissed Anniec twice (ALRIGHT!!!!(!!!))
- A wine party (onepheliac(?) soiree) which Dick is hosting
  with a bandaged nose.
- Gordon again speaks normally to Shelley. When Coop and Annie
  appear Gordon tells them and Shelley that he's leaving but
  he'll try to return to TP to be with Shelley. He gave her
  two kisses. The first interrupted by Bobby who is expressing
  his disbelief at Shelley kissing Gordon. (HA, BOBBY! SHE
  DESERVES GORDON MORE THAN YOU!)(It's kiss an FBI day. Will
  Albert Rosenfield find that special person too?)
- WM and Andy could find banana and chocolate in the taste of
  the wine they tasted. (She's got good tastebuds too besides
  the hightened sexual prowess she was diagnosed a couple of
  episodes ago.)
- Donna still wants to know Eileen's involvement with Ben,
  and she is thinking of studying overseas.
- Same hooded silouette seen before but with a half moon
  where the head is. The owl flies then.
- Coop and the police are at the gazebo where he took his
  date to while being watched by WE earlier on the date
  on the boat. There is a crate on the gazebo. On the crate
  there is a ring on a sign that says "PULL ME". Coop does
  from a distance using a police line tied to the ring and a
  rock. He shoots the rock and the crate opens. The PDI is
  in a chess piece scupture which he was in when he was
  shot by an arrow. There is a sign hanging by the arrow
  saying that "Next time it will be someone you know."

*****IMPORTANT COOP ANNOUNCEMENT: OPERATION PINE WEASEL*****

Dateline: Thursday, April 11th

I got a phone call this morning from Mike Caputo at COOP Headquarters,
and he says it's time to rally the forces, the clock is ticking.
Operation Pine Weasel is now at the leading edge of our efforts to get
the show renewed.

What *is* Operation Pine Weasel, you may ask?  It's the nationwide
campaign to write or call all the advertisers whose illustrious products
and illustrious commercials sponsor the show.

 
                ****THIS IS WHAT YOU CAN DO TO HELP****

     Tomorrow, Friday the 12th, call (212) 605-5500 and ask to speak
     to a gentleman by the name of Zack Manna.  Yes, that's Zack Manna.
     He is the Vice President of Advertising for A T & T, and when you
     get ahold of him *or* his secretary, express your appreciation for
     advertising on "Twin Peaks."  You will have just seen an A T & T
     commercial during the show on Thursday night, presumably, so with
     that commercial fresh in your mind, tell Mr. Manna how much you
     appreciate A T & T's sponsorship of the show, how it influences you
     to switch your personal phone services to A T & T, and so on.
     Short, sweet, supportive, and then get off the line.  

     If you don't get a chance to do it Friday, do it Monday.


There will be a series of these Friday call-in campaigns, Caputo says,
picking one new advertiser for each Friday after the show is aired.

Ongoing efforts of Operation Pine Weasel also include *writing* to the
sponsors of the show, for which activity you're supposed to be truly
compulsive and include *proofs*of*purchase* (if you have 'em) for the
advertised products.  :-)  This is supposedly "Phase Two" (the next
front after all those calls and letter to Herr Iger) of the COOP
campaign.  If you don't have the packet of info about where and how to
write to the sponsors, you can get it from either your local COOP
chapter, or by writing to:

               COOP Headquarters
               The Great Northern
               4532 19th St. North
               Arlington, VA  22207

Mike also asks for the COOP chapter chairs to send him their rosters of
names and addresses of COOP Irregulars, so that everyone can be added to
the data-base/mailing-list.  If you don't have a local COOP chapter, or
don't know about one, write to Caputo at the above address.

You *do* want to be on the COOP mailing list, if you're not already.

Returning you now to your regularly scheduled newsgroup....


                                                  Fiona Oceanstar

I heard on two different radio stations today that Twin Peaks has been
cancelled, and a final, two-hour episode is to be broadcast in June.
Until then, this Thursday's episode is the last one. Did anyone hear
anything similar?

In article <31798@usc> marks@skat.usc.edu (Louise Marks) writes:
> >
> >I've got it all figured out.  An apocolyptic clash between the
> >denizens of the white and black lodges will wipe out the entire
> >population of Twin Peaks.  In the concluding scene, James will ride
> >into a deserted town on his motorcycle.  The show will end with a
> >closeup of his puzzled, innocent face, Lynch's symbol of hope for the
> >future.  (TA DA!)

It could work!Remember the end of the first season of "Grand", with the
goofy policeman riding up to the former site of Janice's trailer after the
tornado?  ("Grand" was just going supernatural when it was killed, too!
I'm still upset that they killed that show.  Of course, getting rid of half
the characters between the first and second seasons did *NOT* help it!)

--
*  From the disk of:  | jms@vanth.uucp     | "You know I never knew
Jim Shaffer, Jr.      | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | that it could be so
37 Brook Street       | uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms  | strange..."
Montgomery, PA 17752  | 72750.2335@compuserve.com    |     (R.E.M.)

[I've substantially reorganized the list to make it more coherent
(ordered by topic, rather than when I wrote the question), but I've
only #'d lines that have new information.]

TWIN PEAKS 
FREQUENTLY ANSWERED QUESTIONS
Last revision: 4/11/91

(Many of these concern what various people said.  Many thanks to Bart
J. Geraci, the man with the closed caption decoder.  Thanks also to
Tom Neff for numerous suggestions and text of some entries.)

WARNING: This article may contain references to any episode up to and
including the most recent one shown in the U.S.  

New or changed lines begin with #.

Questions answered in this article:
==================================

TWIN PEAKS production details:
-----------------------------
1.  a) Where is Twin Peaks supposed to be? 
    b) How big a town is Twin Peaks?
2. What year is the show set in?  
#3.  a) Isn't TWIN PEAKS supposed to cover one day per episode?  
#    b) If so, why does the moon appear to change phase so strangely?
4. Do TWIN PEAKS episodes have names?  What's the best way of
referring to episodes?
5. Was there an episode broadcast January 26, 1991, in the US?   
6. Is it true that TWIN PEAKS has been cancelled?  Where can I
write/phone/fax to protest?
#7. What are "closed captions" and why are people using them to settle
#arguments over exactly who said what on TWIN PEAKS?
8. How were the funny voices in Cooper's dream done?  

TWIN PEAKS actors:
-----------------
9.  Wasn't the Giant also on Star Trek: The Next Generation?
10. Didn't the boy with the creamed corn look an awful lot like David Lynch?
11. a) Is Miguel Ferrer (the actor who plays Albert Rosenfield) related
to Jose Ferrer, the movie actor?
    b) Is this Miguel Ferrer the same one who's credited on the
recording of "Fishheads"?  
#12. Was the guy who plays BOB someody Lynch "found" working on the set?
#13. Weren't some of the TWIN PEAKS people in ROBOCOP?

TWIN PEAKS-related merchandise:
------------------------------
14. What's this "secret diary" that people keep citing?
15. Has anybody noticed that Julee Cruise's "Floating Into The Night"
album (which includes several tunes heard in TWIN PEAKS
episodes) gives special thanks to, among other people, Bob (no
last name)?  
16. I've just seen/heard about a videotape/laser-disc called TWIN
PEAKS available in Europe/Japan/etc.  What is its
relationship to the series?

Outside issues raised by TWIN PEAKS:
-----------------------------------
17. Has anybody mentioned the possible connection between: [various things]
18. Can a person's hair really turn white "over night" like Leland's did
between the first and second seasons?
#19. Haven't I heard of the White Lodge somewhere before?
#20. Did you know that the book COMMUNION by Whitley Streiber talks
about the connection between UFO's and owls?

Questions on plot points:
------------------------
21. a) What language was the little boy with the creamed corn speaking?
    b) What did he say?
22. a) What was that ditty Leland was singing just after his hair turned
white, and what does it mean?
    b) What was Leland singing when Cooper and Truman stopped him for
driving his car erratically?
23. Who was standing outside the window while Josie was seducing Harry?
24. What were the three predictions that The Giant made to Cooper?
25. What was the poem that "Mike" recited in Cooper's dream, and later at the
sheriff's station?
26. Maddy notices a burning smell just before she's attacked by Leland/BOB.
Didn't Jacoby say he smelled burned oil in the hospital when Jacques
was killed?  Does this mean that Leland was BOB when he killed
Jacques?
27. Who killed Laura Palmer?  


AND NOW, ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS:

TWIN PEAKS production details:
-----------------------------
1. a) Where is Twin Peaks supposed to be? 
-- It's in the State of Washington, but where exactly is not clear.  In
Cooper's initial monolog to Diane as he's driving into town, he
states that it's five miles south of the Canadian border and twelve
miles west of the state line.  That would seem to place it in the
northeast corner of the state.  However the surrounding geography is
like that of the Cascade Mountains in western WA.  References to
cities such as Seattle and Tacoma, but not Spokane, also seem to
place it in western WA.  The show's creators seem to have smooshed
the state so that it all fits west of the Cascades.
   Many of the outdoor shots were filmed in Snoqualmie, WA (and the
surrounding area), which is in the Cascades, not too far from
Seattle.  The waterfall is there; the Great Northern Hotel is
really the Salish Lodge (although it doesn't look like the GNH
on the inside--the interiors of both the GNH and the
Packard/Martell home were filmed in the Kiana Lodge); and the
RR Diner is really the Mar-T Cafe, which really does have
heavenly cherry pies.

    b) How big a town is Twin Peaks?
-- Again, that's not exactly clear.  The population sign that's shown at
station breaks and on the TWIN PEAKS sound track album cover
indicates 51,201.  According to _Twin Peaks Behind the Scenes:
#An Unofficial Guide to Twin Peaks_, by Mark Altman,
Lynch/Frost originally conceived of it as 5,201, but the
network insisted on increasing it.  This has resulted in mixed
cues within the show. For instance, Twin Peaks doesn't have a
resident circuit court judge, which any town of 51K+ in the
U.S. would; it has a sheriff's department but no police
department (sheriff is usually a county rather than a city
office).  On the other hand, it does have its own hospital, a
fancy department store, and a large hotel.  It seems
Lynch/Frost hasn't worried too much about being consistent on
this point.

2. What year is the show set in?  
-- References in the first season placed it in 1989.  However, _The Secret
#Diary of Laura Palmer_ (see Question 14) places the action in
1990.  Sources on the production team (i.e., Scott Frost)
indicate that it's been sort of miraculously moved up to 1990.
Apparently, the producers and directors have trouble keeping
track of what day it's supposed to be in Twin Peaks, never
mind what year.

#3. a) Isn't TWIN PEAKS supposed to cover one day per episode?  
#-- Yes, in general, that is the convention used.  There are
#occasional exceptions; at one point, three days passed in Twin
#Peaks between TWIN PEAKS episodes.  Sometimes an episode will
#start in the middle of the night preceding that episode's
#"day".  As mentioned in Answer 2, Lynch/Frost doesn't keep
#track of what day it is as well as the fans do.  For instance,
#teenagers in Twin Peaks don't seem to go to school much, but
#they have been seen in school on days that were supposed to be
#Saturdays.  

# b) If so, why does the moon appear to change phase so strangely?
#One "day" it's full, the next half, etcetera.  
#-- The moon appears to be used pretty much symbolically.  There are
#only a few stock moon inserts used in the series, e.g., a
#closeup of the diagonal half-moon floating in a black sky.  No
#particular effort at astronomical accuracy is evident.

4. Do TWIN PEAKS episodes have names?  What's the best way of
referring to episodes?
-- The episodes are not named.  Whether it's the best way or not,
Lynch/Frost number the episodes with four-digit numbers, where the
first digit is the season number, and the others are the order
within that season.  This system was apparently adopted after the
pilot was produced, so the pilot is 1000, the first one-hour episode
is 1001, and so on.  However for the second season, the two-hour
season premiere is 2001.

5. Was there an episode broadcast January 26, 1991, in the USA? Were
there in fact several regional variants broadcast? Did we
learn who shot Cooper? Did Dick Tremaine die?  
-- No, the 1/26 episode was a collective and spontaneous hoax started
by R o d Johnson and carried on straightfaced by numerous
alt.tv.twin-peaks posters.

6. Is it true that TWIN PEAKS has been cancelled?  Where can I
write/phone/fax to protest?
--TWIN PEAKS was placed on hiatus due to failing ratings; the
remaining six episodes ABC ordered will be shown Thursdays
starting 3/28/91 (check local listings for times).  Often, a
hiatus is a first step before cancelling a show.  Although the
remaining episodes have been scheduled, ABC still has not made
a decision on continuing TP for another season.
  Write to:
Robert Iger
Entertainment President, ABC
2040 Avenue of the Stars
Century City, CA   90067
  Phone: 
(213) 557-7777 (Los Angeles)
(212) 887-3900 (New York)
(212) 456-7477 (New York, network programming)
  Fax:
(213) 557-7160
  More addresses and phone numbers can be found in Keith Dawson's
cribsheet to TP resources, <5104@atexnet.UUCP>, and later
postings.

#7. What are "closed captions" and why are people using them to settle
#arguments over exactly who said what on TWIN PEAKS?
#-- Closed Captions (CC) are the text of a show's dialog transmitted on
#a side channel along with the standard picture and sound
#signals. Hearing-impaired viewers can install a special CC
#decoder on their TV sets to display this text on the screen. 
#   This means that all the dialog in the show is also being broadcast
#in written form, so that in principle the question "What did he
#say?" can always be answered authoritatively -- IF, that is, you
#believe that the CC's are reliable!
#   There are two ways CC's are created: by people who sit and listen
#to a show and type in what they hear -- live events are
#generally done this way -- or by people with access to the
#script. Some, if not all, network shows are done the second,
#more careful way. We don't know for certain that TWIN PEAKS is
#such a show, but the lack of phonetic mistakes observed in the
#PEAKS captions so far suggests indicate that the captioners
#use scripts.  In particular it seems unlikely that correct
#French like <<J'ai une a^me solitaire>> would come from
#anywhere but a script.

8. How were the funny voices in Cooper's dream done?  
-- Before shooting the scene, the actors were recorded reading their lines.
The recording was then played to them backwards, and they memorized
how to imitate it.  Each shot in the scene was acted in reverse
order, with the actors saying their "backwards" lines.  The film was
then reversed so that the actions came out in the right order, and
the words came out double-reversed.  Unfortunately, the words
weren't very intelligible, so subtitles were added.

TWIN PEAKS actors:
-----------------
9. Wasn't the Giant also on Star Trek: The Next Generation?
#-- Yes, he is Carel Struycken, who played Mr. Homm, Deanna Troi's
#mother's personal assistant.  No, he did not play Lurch on the
Addams Family (although it has been reported that he will play
Lurch in an upcoming AF movie).

10. Didn't the boy with the creamed corn look an awful lot like David Lynch?
-- Yes, that's because he's Austin Jack Lynch, David Lynch's son.  (For
handy reference, look at Gordon Cole (Cooper's boss): he's played by
David Lynch.)

11. a) Is Miguel Ferrer (the actor who plays Albert Rosenfield) related
to Jose Ferrer, the movie actor?
--Yes, Miguel is Jose's son.
    b)  Is this Miguel Ferrer the same one who's credited on the
recording of "Fishheads"?  
--Yes, Ferrer was part of Barnes and Barnes who recorded "Fishheads"
(Bill Mumy was the other half).  Ferrer and Mumy also make up
a band called Seduction of the Innocent which plays very
occasionally at comics conventions.  They have also written
some comic books together.

#12. Was the guy who plays BOB someody Lynch "found" working on the set?
#-- Yes. Frank Silva was an "on-set dresser" -- that's someone who helps
#cast members with their costumes on the set, as opposed to back
#at the dressing room -- when Lynch saw him and tapped him to play
#Laura's demonic killer.  He is credited as a dresser in the pilot.

#13. Weren't some of the TWIN PEAKS people in ROBOCOP?
#-- Yes, three of them: Miguel Ferrer (Albert Rosenfield), Ray Wise (Leland
#Palmer), and Dan O'Herlihy (Andrew Packard).  No, Clarence
#Williams III was NOT in ROBOCOP!

TWIN PEAKS-related merchandise:
------------------------------
14. What's this "secret diary" that people keep citing?
--_The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer_ was written by Jennifer Lynch (David's
daughter), and is published in the U.S by Pocket Books, and in the
U.K. by Penguin Books.  It is officially sanctioned by
Lynch/Frost Productions (the jacket says it is "A Twin Peaks
Book").  It's supposed to be the text of the diary that was
discovered in the *second* season of the show.

15. Has anybody noticed that Julee Cruise's "Floating Into The Night"
album (which includes several tunes heard in TWIN PEAKS
episodes) gives special thanks to, among other people, Bob (no
last name)?  
-- Yes.

16. I've just seen/heard about a videotape/laser-disc called TWIN
PEAKS available in Europe/Japan/etc.  What is its
relationship to the series?
--It's a modified version of the series pilot, which was shown as a
TV movie in Europe.  It ends differently, with the killer
being caught.  The sequence which made up Cooper's dream in 
the series is tacked onto the end, as an epilog labelled "25
years later".  In the series, when Cooper describes his dream
to Truman and Lucy, he describes all the action that appeared
in the Euro-version that diverged from the series action as
being part of his dream.

Outside issues raised by TWIN PEAKS:
-----------------------------------
17. Has anybody mentioned the possible connection between:
   * BOB and J. R. "Bob" Dobbs of the Church of the Subgenius?
   * All the donuts they eat in Twin Peaks, and JFK's "Ich bin ein Berliner"
speech?  What he literally said was "I am a jelly donut."
   * Agent Dale Cooper and D.B. Cooper, the guy who hijacked a plane and
then parachuted over Washington State with a whole bunch of money
and was never found?
   * Ben and Jerry Horne and Ben and Jerry's brand ice cream (in one scene
the brothers Horne are even shown eating ice cream)?
   * Sarah's vision of a white horse, and Mr. Ed?
   *   "       "    "  "   "    "      "  Laura' pony, Troy?
   *   "       "    "  "   "    "      "  Death, which "rides a pale horse"?
   *   "       "    "  "   "    "      "  heroin, also known as "white horse" 
  (maybe Leland/BOB shot her up with 
  heroin)?
-- Yes for all of the above.

18. Can a person's hair really turn white "over night" like Leland's did
between the first and second seasons?
--Generally, only folklore supports this ("it happened to a friend of a
friend of mine").  Since hair above the scalp is dead matter, it
can't change color without dyes or bleaches.  It's possible that a
person with mixed gray and dark hair could lose all their older,
darker hair over a short period of time (a few days or weeks) due to
a physical or psychological trauma, which would leave them with just
gray hair.  Or a dark-haired person might lose all their dark hairs
and grow in gray ones over a similar span of time, but "over night"
seems physically implausible.

#19. Haven't I heard of the White Lodge somewhere before?
#-- Could be. Jerry Boyajian found an amazingly detailed reference to it
#in an out-of-print 1926 adventure fantasy called THE DEVIL'S GUARD 
#(a.k.a. RAMSDEN) by Talbot Mundy. In the novel, the White Lodge is a 
#secret Tibetan brotherhood whose members study Life for the love of 
#it, combat evil, and mysteriously influence events. The Dalai Lama is 
#an external representative of the White Lodge. This obviously fits 
#TWIN PEAKS like a glove, and Lynch/Frost may have read it. There are 
#other references occasionally dug up; if you have a good one, by all 
#means share it! 

#20. Did you know that the book COMMUNION by Whitley Streiber talks
#about the connection between UFO's and owls?
#-- Yes, Streiber says that people who have been abducted by UFO's
#often have "masking" memories of owls, rather than aliens
#(cf., Major Brigg's only memory of his disappearance was an
#huge image of an owl).

Questions on plot points:
------------------------
21. a) What language was the little boy with the creamed corn speaking?
-- French
    b) What did he say?
-- J'ai une a^me solitaire: I have a solitary soul (according to the closed
#captions).  This was also the text of Harold Smith's suicide note.

22. a) What was that ditty Leland was singing just after his hair turned
white, and what does it mean?
-- The full lyrics of the song are:

Mairzy doats and dozy doats
and little lambzy divy.
A kiddly divy, too, wooden shoe?

Now if the words sounds queer,
and funny to your ear,
a little bit jumbled and jivy,
Sing:

Mares eat oats and does eats oats
and little lambs eat ivy.
A kid'll eat ivy, too, wouldn't you?

    b) What was Leland singing when Cooper and Truman stopped him for
driving his car erratically?
-- "The Surrey with the Fringe on Top" from the musical _Oklahoma_.
It was the tune that Leland danced to at the Great Northern
earlier in the same episode, and which Cooper was whistling
just before he and Truman stopped Leland.

23. Who was standing outside the window while Josie was seducing Harry?
-- A number of theories have been suggested, with Jonathon (Josie's
"cousin") being the most popular; others theories include Leo,
Pete, and Andrew Packard.  However, Tim Holland, the director
of the episode in question, is quoted in _Twin Peaks Behind
the Scenes_ as saying it was Jonathon (well, he says "the
Oriental man", but he means Jonathon).

24. What were the three predictions that The Giant made to Cooper?  
-- (1) a man in a smiling bag; (2) the owls are not what they seem;
(3) without chemicals, he points.
   The giant also said something about "Leo locked in a hungry horse," and
that there was a clue at Leo's house.  However, these were not the
"predictions" which were to be fulfilled before Cooper gets his ring
back.  The former refers to the fact that Leo was in jail in Hungry
Horse, Montana when Theresa Banks was killed, and the latter refers
to the Circle Brand boots that were found with the cocaine at Leo's
house.

25. What was the poem that "Mike" recited in Cooper's dream, and later at the
sheriff's station?
-- "Through the darkness of future past
    the magician longs to see
    one chants out between two worlds
    'Fire walk with me.'"

   (There has been much debate over whether the second-to-last line is "one
chants out" or "one chance out".  The closed captions indicate
"chants".)

26. Maddy notices a burning smell just before she's attacked by Leland/BOB.
Didn't Jacoby say he smelled burned oil in the hospital when Jacques
was killed?  Does this mean that Leland was possessed by BOB
when he killed Jacques?
-- No.  Later, under hypnosis, Jacoby corrected himself and said that he
smelled the burned smell just before he was attacked at the gazebo,
but not at the hospital.  _Twin Peaks Behind the Scenes_
indicates that Jacoby's attacker was Leland/BOB, although this
was not revealed in any episode.

27. Who killed Laura Palmer?  
For those in places where it's been revealed, who weren't
paying attention or didn't get it, and those elsewhere who
want to annoy their friends: (Skip now if you don't want to
know.)

--Laura's father, Leland, killed her.  He was possessed at the time by
an evil spirit named BOB (whose "true" face Sarah Palmer and
Maddy Ferguson saw in visions, and Agent Cooper saw in his
dream.)  Leland had been a host to BOB since childhood, and
had been abusing and molesting Laura from her early teen
years, if not earlier.  Leland/BOB had a habit of cutting
Laura with many small cuts during their "sessions" together;
Laura died of blood loss from these wounds.
-- Janet Swisher Internet: swsh@midway.uchicago.eduUniversity of Chicago Phone: (312) 702-7608 Academic and Public Computing P-mail: 1155 E. 60th St. Chicago IL 60637, USA

In article <2803B7AB.6535@ics.uci.edu>, bvickers@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes:
> >robertj@Autodesk.COM (Young Rob Jellinghaus) writes:
>> >>bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes:

(stuff deleted)

>> >>But I wouldn't be surprised if Coop had a dark side -- we just haven't
>> >>seen it yet.

Not a dark side, but, according to his autobiography, Coop is one
horny guy. And he has a most disconcerting habit of disappearing for
long periods of time with no explanation. I guess it could be said
that he is off searching for his Self when he's gone, but we don't
really know. BTW, in the autobiography Coop spells WE as Windom Earle,
which goes along with the consensus of the net, EXCEPT, if we accept
Windom Earle as an anagram for Owl in Dream, we have an extra E.
Does that bother anyone? 


> >bvickers@ics.uci.edu | "Only a large-scale popular movement toward
> >brett@ucippro.bitnet |  decentralization and self-help can arrest the
> >                     |  present tendency toward statism." - Aldous Huxley

Peace,
Rosi

no .sig.period

ROSIMCG@OAVAX,CSUCHICO.EDU

In article <JYM.91Apr9113136@remarque.berkeley.edu> jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym
Dyer) writes:
>> >> Jym, you're JEALOUS!  Jym lo-oves Audrey, Jym lo-oves Audrey!
>> >> Jym and Audrey, sittin' in a tree...he wishes!
> >___
> > __ A Douglas Fir, no doubt. :-)
> >    <_Jym_>

Not very likely unless they parachute out of his private plane.
Those suckers are big. In fact it is still considered a toss up whether the
tallest tree in the world will ultimately turn out to be a Doug Fir or a
Coastal Redwood.

-Rich

 Fiona Oceanstar writes:
> >Clint at Javelin writes:
>> >>Ugh, that show was great up until that cave scene.  What an amazing bunch of
>> >>corn that setup is.  TP is definitely not the same show anymore.
> >
> >
> >Perhaps we can view the cave scenes as corny in a boy's-adventure-story
> >way.  (Didn't someone mention the Hardy Boys?)  After all, they *are*
> >the Bookhouse Boys.  And David Lynch, as he announced while receiving
> >the Cannes for "Wild at Heart," is "just an Eagle Scout from Minnesota."
> >
> >I think Lynch chuckles over all that boy's-story stuff--perhaps the
> >reading material of his childhood--and he's trying to share some of
> >those chuckles with us.
> >
My own thoghts were leaning toward "Sugar&Spike" comic books. Anyone
remember those? No?..I'll just cash this Social Security check here.
So much of the writing seems to have been done in crayolas.

But now that I think of it, those helmets did seem to fit
Frank and Joe and Chet...wonder if they have a runabout?
Does this make Annie=Callie Shaw? Who's Iola Morton? Does
Gordon=Fenton or Gordon=Frank? And does that make Truman one
of the tag-a-long chums....[Hey...great new marketing
idea...The Tag-a-Long Chums (tm)!!!!] ...or maybe I'll
turn over at 9:30 and catch Seinfeld....
-- davis@keats.ca.uky.edu Is this a long trip or a short trip?

Well it seems to me that if WE is looking for a _queen_ than the obvious
winner should be Denise/Dennis, who's more perfect for the job. :)

Realisticly (if that applys to TP) you could see Lynco & Co. pulling that
one as a gag, though I feel sure that the winner has to be Annie so that
she will get put in a life & death situation for Coop to rescue her from.
(It's kind of upsetting that the show has lost most of its unpredictability)

-Gideon

In article <1991Apr11.195111.21739@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:

> >But now that I think of it, those helmets did seem to fit
> >Frank and Joe and Chet...wonder if they have a runabout?
> >Does this make Annie=Callie Shaw? Who's Iola Morton? Does
> >Gordon=Fenton or Gordon=Frank? And does that make Truman one
> >of the tag-a-long chums....

Tom Jr. = Frank = Coop
Bud     = Joe   = Harry
Chow    = Chet  = Andy (natch)
        = Tony  = Hawk 

Phyl    = Iola  = OK, Annie
Sandy(?)= Callie= er, Josie
Tom Sr. = Fenton= Major Briggs
Ned     =       = Pete/Doc

Boy, literary criticism is *easy*!  :)

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Poetry ends like a rope" --Jack Spicer

Just got through catching up on about a weeks worth of posts so I am going to
put these in one notice without reference any others that might have inspired
them.

1. The Poem. Most obvious, so obvious as to perhaps qualify as a purloined
letter or a red herring, is that the author's name is the same as one of the
Queen's. Not only that, Shell(e)y is Leo's wife and Gordon Cole's recent love
interest. She sure is being set up for "your fav' victim" whether it turns out
that way or not. Course they made Ben look pretty good as a candidate for WKLP.

2. James' Road Trip.  His next stop after Mexico will be NYC, possibly with a
stopover to see old Bull Lee (aka, WS Burroughs). The reference to Kerouac's
"On the Road" is pretty clear.

3. Coming Next Week. After the petroglyph bit there is a brief flash of what is
almost certainly part of the poem that Donna et al got. The voice over is Coop
asking for Leo Johnson's arrest report. Recall that WE had Leo doing some
writing for him. My prediction is Coop will tie Leo to the poem.

4. Donna's Daddy. I have a hearing problem, so I can't be absolutely sure of
this, but I am pretty sure that in the scene at the Great Northern, Ben says to
Donna's mother:"Have you told her?" and she replies, "No and I'm not going to."
and words to the effect of "and I want you to promise not to either. You better
stay away from her." I guess that makes it fairly likely that he is Donna's
father.

-Rich

In a previous article, aasg7935@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Anton A Sanderfoot) says:

> >In article <1991Apr11.171741.14895@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
>> >>   Even for a smalltown Dr, he certainly does a lot:
>> >>
>> >> (1) forensic pathology
>> >> (2) very successful neurosurgery on Leo
>> >> (3) gynecology (delivered Andy and Dick and Nicky)
>> >> (4) ear specialist for Gordon Cole
> >      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >Obstatricians (sp?) deliver babies, he could be a gynecologist too, I suppose.
> >


I've lived with two medical students for almost three years and from 
listening to them talk, I think most obstetricians are also gynecologists.
The fact that an internship in obstetrics is called ob/gyn also supports
this.

I hope the show hasn't been cancelled... I plan to call AT&T tomorrow.
-- -------------------------------------------- Denise M. Fischer (dmf2@po.cwru.edu) Network Information Coordinator, INS Case Western Reserve University

In article <1991Apr11.191257.9426@midway.uchicago.edu> swsh@ellis.uchicago.edu (Janet M. Swisher) writes:
> >
> >TWIN PEAKS 
> >FREQUENTLY ANSWERED QUESTIONS
> >Last revision: 4/11/91
> >
> >6. Is it true that TWIN PEAKS has been cancelled?  Where can I
> >write/phone/fax to protest?
> >--TWIN PEAKS was placed on hiatus due to failing ratings; the
> >remaining six episodes ABC ordered will be shown Thursdays
> >starting 3/28/91 (check local listings for times).  Often, a
> >hiatus is a first step before cancelling a show.  Although the
> >remaining episodes have been scheduled, ABC still has not made
> >a decision on continuing TP for another season.

According to ABC, "Twin Peaks" will go on hiatus again after April 18
episode.  The final two episodes will be combined into a two-hour
ABC Monday Night Movie for airing June 10.

The above is from Washington Post.  Although there is no evidence, it
looks like Twin Peaks will not be picked up for the third season.


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I was under the impression that Coop had never seen Bob before...
  only the giant and the dancing dwarf

so, why is it that Coop instantly knew it was Bob holding Josie?

(or is this one of those 'dont ask' questions?)
thanks
lara
 


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Hello.
I'm new to the newsgroup, & this is my 1st post, so please bear with me.

First, although this is from a rather old message, I simply cannot let it stand:

In article <63534@bbn.BBN.COM> ingria@BBN.COM writes:
> >
> >   nope, it wasn't a tattoo pattern; it was a scar from a slashed-wrist suicide
> >   attempt.  *THAT* was why Cooper (grimacing) told her the coffee was 'just
> >   right'.  What sent her to the convent?  She turned to religion to help her
> >   overcome whatever it was that drove her to her suicide attempt.
> >

No.
The events in the scene you describe are as follows:

Cooper is reading a book on Tibet.  When he looks up, the sight of Annie hits
him like a 2-by-4.  In addition to his initial look of disconcertion, there is
further evidence in the akward moment in which they both reach to overturn his
coffee cup.  Annie says that she made the coffee rather strong.  Coopers brow
furrows as he lifts the cup, probably simply in contemplation of the coffee he
is about to sip.  I can only assume that this is what you misinterpret as
"grimacing."  He tells her that she made the coffee just right BECAUSE SHE MADE
IT JUST RIGHT.  (If he thought she was strange he would say so.)

Second, could someone tell me shere I could get information on COOP and the
Gazette that is occasionally mentioned.  I haven't seen either mention in
any of the files at the au ftp site, although I haven't gone completely
through the files.

G

Before you read any further, please note: I'm proposing a project
here that will require a certain format, which is that from now on
I will only read articles with the characters "RS" at the front of
the subject heading.  So if you want to talk to me for any reason--
if you want to tell me I'm full of hogwash, if you want to tell me
something about COOP, I don't care what it is--please WRITE to me
by private e-mail (fi@grebyn.com).  You'll see why, after you read
this proposal.

The easiest way, of course, to express your total lack of interest
in my proposal, is to stop reading now, and don't ever ever put
"RS" in the subject heading of your article.  That'll be fine by
me.  If it doesn't work out, that's OK.  It's going to be hard work
to pull this off, so I won't cry if you take me off the hook here.

--Fiona :-)

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Thursday night, 10 PM

All right, y'all, I just turned off the TV after watching "Twin Peaks,"
and I've got an idea.   Let's do something to put alt.tv.twin-peaks on
the map.  Let's dream up an all- or mostly-inconclusive theory about
what the mystery is--tying as many as possible of the pieces together--
and write it up for national publication.

This is what I propose:
     --between right *now* and whenever the Canadians see the next
episode, is the time period that we have for the discussion; if anyone on
the group has secret inside knowledge of the next episode, I ask
them to please (please!) refrain from contributing to the discussion
     --everyone who wants is in on the discussion--it's open to all members
of the group who have seen all the way through what I will call the
"Twin Kiss" episode--and to anyone else who doesn't mind hearing all
the spoilers
     --we need a name for the project, so let's call it the
_Rolling_Stone_ project
     --why _Rolling_Stone_?  because what I'm proposing is this: we will
develop this theory and I will write it up for submission to
_Rolling_Stone_ magazine.  We already know they like "Twin Peaks"--
they've covered the show extensively, including a cover photo the "women
of TP" (remember all those eyebrows?), but what they haven't done is to
write something *intelligent* about the mystery.
     --but we *DO* have something intelligent to say.  We have lots of
good ideas about the mystery, and even if we don't actually "figure out
the answer," as it were, we're sure to come up with a nice sexy theory
with all kinds of juicy details--that it be a FUN theory, is more
important than whether it's right or not
     --the article's half-written already, because I can use the
material from the article I wrote for the _Twin_Peaks_Gazette_ (I've got
the copyright, don't worry) as the introduction, and then move right
into this project of ours
     --so basically, I'm volunteering to be the "scribe" for the group,
the person who writes up the "minutes" of our discussion and summarizes
them in the form of an article

Just as I did in my previous article, I would give full credit, by name,
to everyone who contributes to the discussion in a substantive way--and
you can make up your own names, your own details about your life--
whatever you want--pick some goofy name like "Fiona Oceanstar," I don't
care--it's your chance to be famous.

But don't start working on your handle and stuff until we've
developed the theory--we need people to put together a good ascii
drawing of the "map" or whatever it is, and also the lid of the inner
puzzle box (I'm being purposely vague so as not to include spoilers)--we
need people to compile all the clues so far--etc. etc.

My position will be as a spectator: I will participate minimally in the
discussion, and if I come up with anything unique, I'll just consider
that "public domain" material that doesn't have to be credited to
anyone, because it's awkward to both write the article and give credit
to myself.  A couple of other people have independently arrived at the
owl-UFO connection (you know the one I mean), so I won't need to take
credit for that.

To preserve my ignorance of the remainder of this spring's series during
the writing of the article, I will begin taping the shows on next
Thursday, and not see any of the taped shows, nor read any spoilers in
this newsgroup, from that date on--until I've finished writing the article.

Then, after I've written it, I'll post it to the newsgroup for general
critique--a short period just to check it over for mistakes or errors in
giving proper credit.

If any argument arises over who should get credit for things, I'll just
name multiple people, don't worry--but let's try to be reasonable and
not have to clutter the text of the article with too many names--I
should think somewhere between 6 and 12 would be OK.

But I *will* give credit to everyone, with an acknowledgments paragraph
added after the end of the article.

Got it?  Read it over again if you're not sure.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

So what do you think?  Do you think it will work?  What can it hurt to
try, huh?  If we succeed in placing it in _Rolling_Stone_, we'll all be
famous, and have something to show family and friends about what we've
been doing these past many months.  And if we fail, well... I'll just
submit it to _Spy_ or _Details_ or some other magazine.

Now.  Here's the scoop.  If you *agree* with this plan, do NOT--repeat,
do NOT--post your agreement to the newsgroup.  There's too much traffic
already.

If you agree with the plan AND want to launch right into the discussion
(since we're going to be doing that anyway), start posting all your
articles with "RS:" at the front of the subject heading.  Anyone can
join, but everyone has to label their contributions with "RS:" so I'll
know which ones to read and which ones not to read.

If you agree AND have nothing to contribute right away, you can write to
me by private e-mail and give your support for the project. 

And, of course, if you think it's a terrible idea and you absolutely
categorically refuse to have anything to do with it, then write to me by
private e-mail and tell me *that*.  I promise to listen to all
suggestions, and summarize *all* of the negative feedback to the group,
because there may be useful suggestions about the format of the discussion
lurking in there we'd want to take into account.  If there's an
overwhelming swell of "No, Fiona! Never! I'd feel horribly betrayed if
you did such a crass and tacky and self-aggrandizing thing!" then fine,
I'll bag it.  :-)

But if you don't like the project, *and* you're in a very small minority
of the letters I get, then you better keep the letters "RS" out of your
subject headings.  From this point on, I'm *only* going to read stuff
that has "RS" in the heading.  If you want to talk about how sweet David
Lynch's eyes are (aren't they? <sigh>), that's fine, I don't care if you
"RS" it one way or the other--I'll save everything anyway and read it
later when the article's finished.  But if you want me to include you in
the credits for the mystery discussion, get that "RS" in there.

The only problem I can think of, is the situation where someone
strenuously objects and does NOT want to be included, but they're in the
minority so we go ahead with the project anyway, and then someone quotes
them in an RS-labeled article so I accidentally read their ideas.
Sheesh.  I don't how we can get around that.  Just cooperate with each
other, I guess.  And hope that there isn't much dissension.  This has
been a pretty congenial group all along, so I doubt that problem will
crop up.  We'll just burn that bridge when we get to it, as they say.

And we're off.... unless of course y'all decide to tar and feather me.
I couldn't write the article then, I guess.  It'd be hard to see, and
I'd get black gunk all over the keyboard.

REMEMBER:
  --if you want to talk about the format --> write *me*
  --if you want to talk about the mystery --> post using "RS:"
in your subject heading

                                                  
                                                  --Fiona Oceanstar
                                                    fi@grebyn.com

In article <1991Apr11.223718.20868@wam.umd.edu>, leong@wam.umd.edu (Leong Heng Cheong) writes...

} According to ABC, "Twin Peaks" will go on hiatus again after April 18
} episode.  The final two episodes will be combined into a two-hour
} ABC Monday Night Movie for airing June 10.

Doesn't surprise me. When TP was first put on hiatus, it was said that
the last two episodes for the season hadn't been filmed at that point.
I suspect that they're restructuring the scripts to wrap everything up.

-- "If I haven't explained Jerry, it's because he really can't be explained." -- Dan'l Danehy-Oakes --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM or ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian

"Hey, don't zap my geek!"


-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Poetry ends like a rope" --Jack Spicer

On CNN Headline News tonite (before the 9pm episode), they
announced that ABC had again cancelled TP and that tonite's (4/11)
episode would be the last.  In June, two more episodes would
be combined in to some sort of 2 hour finale.

1) During the hiatus, we were told there were 6 more episodes.  I 
   have now seen three: 3/28, 4/4, and 4/11.  2 more hours make
   5 total.  Are we getting ripped off for an episode?

2) Does anyone know what the real odds are of TP getting picked up
   by Fox, BBC, or some independent/European production house?

--
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In article <9104111053.aa06769@Bonnie.ics.uci.edu> pryono@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Pamela Ryono) writes:
#I heard on two different radio stations today that Twin Peaks has been
#cancelled, and a final, two-hour episode is to be broadcast in June.
#Until then, this Thursday's episode is the last one. Did anyone hear
#anything similar?

Yep, read the same thing in the Orange County Register.

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Welcome to Irvine, Yuppieland USA  BITNET: DJKrause@uci.edu

Great episode!  I noticed Mark Frost had a hand in the writing for the
first time since Leland died.  The only thing that bothers me is that
the chess game has obviously been trashed.  I had thought Earle was
obsessive enough about chess that he would keep the game serious.
I know, I know, the writers couldn't fit a whole chess game into the
remaining episodes, but they should have thought of that beforehand,
so they wouldn't have to suddenly shift gears here towards the end. 
So now I guess Earle is just killing people at will, without regard to
chess, as evidenced by the "Someone you know will be next" note.

Well, enough criticism.  Everything else was excellent.

Comments/Questions:

* I liked the kid who was Earle's newest victim a lot.  He was the
first character on TP who reminded me of a real person; of someone I
knew!  Wonder if his name is Powell, or if something else made Earle
choose him.  Question: The arrow went into the pawn, not into the
kid's body, didn't it?  Yet it killed him.  Maybe since the show is
now on at 9:00 they can't show as much violence, and having the arrow go
into his body would have been too much?  Doubt it, though.

* His scene at the end, when Cooper opens the "package", was
great, too.  I loved the idea of the giant pawn.  But it would have been
more chilling if the note had said something like "What is all this sweet
work worth if thou kiss not me."

* If Lana doesn't win the Miss Twin Peaks pageant, I expect the Mayor
to meet the same fate his brother did.  Personally, my money's on
Nadine to win!  Bobby to Mike: "WHOOOAAAA!"

* Strange that all the pageant judges happen to be characters we
already know.  And all older men at that.  By the way, what were they
doing if it wasn't the actual pageant?  And why were they at the
Roadhouse, in front of the *red curtains*?

* I have no ideas about the cave "map", but I'm sure that by next
Thursday we'll have the whole thing analyzed on here.  I did notice
one thing: the symbol beside the fire was one of the planetary
symbols, although I can't remeber which.  Saturn, maybe?  I also think
this was the only planetary symbol on the map, so maybe this is where
the "aliens" are from, if they are indeed aliens.

* Also, in the cave: What did Cooper mean by "Someone's already been
here; they've done our work for us."  What "work"?  Are we to assume
that this wall with the large petroglyph was behind the wall which
crumbled last week?  If so, how did Cooper know what had happened?

* Interesting effect with the sillhouette, the starscape background,
and the owl.  But what does it mean?

* Does Andy have a photographic memory or something?  How did he
remember that entire petroglyph to copy onto the chalkboard?

* Coop recognized Leo's handwriting after not having seen it for a
long time.  Just another example of his Amazing Abilites (tm), I guess.

* I think Annie was lying to Coop when she said that she had tried to
kill herself because of a boy.  She had just told Cooper she didn't
want to talk about it, then suddenly said the first thing that popped
into her mind just to satisfy his curiosity.  I think more went on
than she's willing to admit.  Perhaps it *was* a boy; a boy named BOB.

* How is it that Windom always seems to know where Coop is?  He's
always following him around.  And this time, at the gazebo, he didn't
even have on a disguise.  Dumb move, Earle; Coop could have seen you!

* The thing inside the "puzzle box" had astrological signs on it, and
moon phases.  Why did Pete purposely drop it the second time?  Maybe
he thought that this was yet *another* box, and figured it would open
the same way the outer one did.  Does anybody know what this object
is?  This is one of the most intriguing things on the show now.  A
possible, but doubtful, theory: this object is another box.  It
contains BOB, and whoever opens it becomes his new host.  After all,
the box is connected with Eckhart and Josie, and when they died we saw
BOB.  And did you notice that when Pete walked into this scene he said
"Whoooeee BOB!"  I don't really believe this theory; it's just a
passing thought.

* The wine tasting scene was funny; moreso than the similar "Save the
Pine Weasel" scene 2 weeks ago.  Just what kind of wine do they have
in Twin Peaks that has banana and chocolate flavor, anyway?!?

* Was Shelley really happy that Gordon was kissing her, or did she
just want Bobby to be jealous?

* What was the purpose of that incredibly sappy scene between Cooper
and John Justice Wheeler?  Now I too am getting sick of J.J., and I
liked him to begin with.

*  Best quote:  Annie:  "I lived inside my head a lot."
   (this is     Cooper: "Pretty good place to live."
   not exact)   Annie:  "Some strange neighbors, though."
Neighbors, in one's head?  Like BOB, perhaps?  (Sorry, my
imagination's running a little wild!)

Well, that's about all I can think of.  Can't wait till next week!


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First of all, if you haven't read my previous posting on "Project
Rolling Stone" yet, this is all going to be Greek (or Swahili) to
you.  It's posted under a subject heading starting "FIONA...".  If
for some reason you haven't gotten it by say, late afternoon on
Friday the 12th, or if your newsreader dropped if before you could
read it, write to me at fi@grebyn.com and ask for it.  But *look*
for it first, or get it from someone else even, because if this
project flies, I'm going to be deluged with mail.  :-)

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Friday 4/12
8:30 AM

There are two new wrinkles in Project Rolling Stone as of this
morning:

1)  First, I hear from *you* that the next TP episode will NOT be aired
next Thursday, but not until somewhat later, perhaps as late as June.
This is awful (of course), but it might have a silver lining for this
project, which is that we'll have more time to churn out our Grand
Unified Theory.

2)  Second, it occurs to me that _Rolling_Stone_ may actually *pay* me
for this proposed article (gee whiz, didn't think of that (-:), and I
want y'all to share in the benefits from that, so I'll promise to buy a
certain number (depends on how much I get paid... (-:) of Twin Peaks T-
shirts and/or coffee mugs, like the ones advertised in the _Gazette_,
and give them out to the top several people who contribute the most
to Project Rolling Stone.  Is that an incentive?  (or *what*...)

Lemme know (by *e-mail*) what you think, or if you want to just launch
right in, post to the group using "RS:" in your header.  If you *don't*
put "RS:" in the header, you won't be eligible for a T-shirt or coffee
cup, because I won't ever read your postings until after the project is
over.

Now there's less need for me to worry about spoilers, of course, if
the show's not going to be on for a while, but I still want that "RS:"
to be in the subject headings of your articles, so I'll know I have your
consent for this project.  Does that make sense?

Let's do it!  (Unless, of course, you don't want to... (-:)

                                                       --Fiona

       Twin Peaks has been pulled after the April 18 episode so its low ratings
 won't hurt the May "SWEEPS" period on ABC. It will be back on June 10 as a two
 hour special. No definite word on cancellation, but it seems pretty likely.

Hello,
Just a couple of comments on the show.  I thought it was good.
When compared to Belvedere (sp?) it was amazing.  But relative to the
other TP episodes it was only good.  There probably won't be a lot of
quotes from this one.  There were a couple of good ones.  Gordon to 
Bobby, that sort of thing.  Nothing spectacular.  

An interesting contrast which seems to occur in more than one
good vs evil story:  Windom put his map on a computer screen (hi-tech)
Andy was drawing theirs on a chalkboard (lo-tech).  Other examples are
Windom using the electronic collar to keep Leo in line and Coop throwing
rocks and bottles to find a lead.  It seems that  writers believe 
that technology is inherently evil.  In _The_Time_Bandits_ David Warner
as we know, played Evil.  He was very interested in lasers, super-
computers, etc.  Obviously, (since I am writing this on a computer) I 
disagree.

Now we know why the moons were shown without any _seeming_ 
consistency.  With the decoder from the black box we can figure out
the special meaning to TP fans from Lynch/Frost.  The different patterns
of the moon have a special symbol with them.  Obviously the characters
would see the normal moon cycle, so it must be a message to _us_ the 
fans.  Now if only someone can translate from the symbols to English.
:-)
Here is a thought from a friend of mine, Mike Conlon,
who doesn't read this 
group.  (He's a busy guy).  I am not entirely convinced about what he
says, but it is interesting enough to propose.  Caroline is not dead.
She was saved (by aliens?) taken to a convent and allowed to recuperate.
She has now returned to her home town of Twin Peaks, is using here
childhood name (from Caroline Anne) and is alive and well.  But you
now protest.  That's stupid you say.  Why don't she and Coop and WE 
recognize each other.  There is a veil of secrecy, a cloak of hiding
which covers her and protects her.  She is the aliens ace in the hole.
At some point in the final confrontation between evil and good in this
form she will be revealed.  Just as Windom is about to kill Cooper
WE recognizes Caroline, hesitates as the good side of him which is 
hidden deep within, controlled by the evil alien, surges for a moment
at the return of his lost love.  This allows Coop to get free and kill
Windom......  Again, I am not entirely sure I go along, but, boy, it 
sures makes for an interesting story.  The only thing I wouldn't like
if it does turn out to be true is that it was predicted.  I like it 
when things are surprising and not predictable.  (And this from a 
statistician! :-)

Finally, I am not overly bothered by a cancellation of Twin
Peaks.  (Is this blasphemy :-)  I will be saddened, and there will be
an emptiness in my life where Cooper once was, but it will have been
a good trip.  I can also rewatch it if I want (If only I can get the 
past episodes that I missed.  Is there anyone in Florida that will
make a deal?)  HOWEVER, if these so and so's end this poorly then I
will be in a pissed off, uproar.  I expect great things from
Lynch/Frost.  I expect to be on the edge of my seat from the first 
scene of this final movie.  I expect things to happen which are so far
above anything else that I will be speechless for days.  (Although
with those expectations, I can't help but be disappointed :-)  But,
seriously, I want Twin Peaks to go out with a BANG and not a whimper.

Any comments and discussion of the above are appreciated.  As
well as any suggestions for quotes, or criticisms about current quotes.

charles d. kincaid
statman@stat.ufl.edu    <------#######   Correct address.  The one above
                                         is probably not.

In article <1991Apr11.121611.13490@ctl.co.nz>, edgleyd@ctl.co.nz (Diana Edgley) writes:
> > Just thought you'd be interested in hearing how Twin Peaks is doing down 
> > here in NZ.  The Pilot on Monday night took over 1/3 of the viewing audience, 

 [more stuff]

> > *Damn* good show!

I saw this show in Australia with some friends in Febrary. By the end of the
pilot episode we were almost in tears - from laughing at (in our NSHO) the
corny script and bad acting. When I watched it again this week with my SO
he cracked up even more without any prompting from me.

Makes me wonder... why the hype?
DV8or
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Well, I just have one question today.  Was it just me or was Pete's hair
quite a bit whiter than last week?????  Can anyone with a tape of 4/4
check this? It certainly seemed that there was no gray last night.

Dewey

Ok, TP has been cancelled AGAIN!  This is ridiculous.  What
now?  Another write in campaign?  And what good will that do?
Clearly, Bob Iger is determined to kill TP.  How can the 
show (or any show) be expected to survive under the abhorrent
conditions that have been instigated by that unmentionable
network:

1.  Multiple day/time-slot changes
2.  Repeated "hiatus" incidents
3.  Ultimately scheduling against Cheers, #1 prog in America

I suppose, we will now be called upon to "rally round" once again
to throw "good money after bad".  

Well....I have a suggestion.  Let's face it.  TP is dead on any
major network.  Where do Frost & Lynch think their best shot is?
Fox?  USA?  Maybe we should direct our efforts to getting 
someone else to pick up the show and not pull out all the
dirty network tricks Iger has used to kill it.  No multiple
time-slot moves, no hiatus garbage, proper lead-in, etc!

The truth is, I thought that one interesting way to continue
the show would be for Frost/Lynch to continue making 1hour
episodes and DISTRIBUTE THEM TO THE MOVIE THEATERS!  Wow....
just like going to the movies in the 40s & 50s -- when will
the next episode in the "thin man" series be out!  Design
the episodes for limited run times.  They are short, so you
can run the episodes many times in a day...or even between
major movies.  Couple the episodes with off-the-wall stuff
by independent film-makers, or what about those animated
shorts that no one ever gets to see?  Don't use traditional
promotion channels....depend on the cult network (COOP, etc.).

Now THAT would be something!  Doesn't everyone know that
the movie-going public has simply been lulled into a state of
Zombie-ism?  A little SHOCK therapy is in order!!!

Carol

According to Lynch/Frost Productions, next week's episode of TP will be
the last until June 10, a Monday, when a two-hour finale will be
broadcast. ABC had no comment. No word on renewal for next season
(highly doubtful, IMHO).

Sorry, dudes.

Michael
savvy@chopin.udel.edu

In article <183B378F404040A5@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU> UN040377@WVNVAXA.WVNET.EDU writes:
> >
> >Great episode!  I noticed Mark Frost had a hand in the writing for the
> >first time since Leland died.  The only thing that bothers me is that
> >the chess game has obviously been trashed.  I had thought Earle was
> >obsessive enough about chess that he would keep the game serious.
> >I know, I know, the writers couldn't fit a whole chess game into the
> >remaining episodes, but they should have thought of that beforehand,
> >so they wouldn't have to suddenly shift gears here towards the end.
> >So now I guess Earle is just killing people at will, without regard to
> >chess, as evidenced by the "Someone you know will be next" note.
> >
I don't think the chess game was trashed.  The reason the pawn is
sitting out in the gazzebo (sp?) is because Earle took the pawn
(BxKR3 - I know that's not the right notation but is the pawn that
was moved out in the last (4/4) episode).  This leaves Earle's
bishop extremely exposed.  I'm still curious as to what happens
when Coop takes one of Earle's pieces.  If black does not take
the white bishop, the white bishop will take the black bishop
(which is what I assume "someone you know will be next" follows
from).  It is my hypothesis that pawns are just "nobodys" that
get paid with beer :-) and the royalty are actual people in TP.
Unfortunately, I don't think there's enough time to wrap up the
game.

> >* I have no ideas about the cave "map", but I'm sure that by next
> >Thursday we'll have the whole thing analyzed on here.  I did notice
> >one thing: the symbol beside the fire was one of the planetary
> >symbols, although I can't remeber which.  Saturn, maybe?  I also think
> >this was the only planetary symbol on the map, so maybe this is where
> >the "aliens" are from, if they are indeed aliens.

One was Jupiter and one was Saturn.  However, since both planets are
"gas giants" it is highly unlikely that anything physical actually
inhabits these planets.  I think it's just a reference point.  Maybe
when the planets line up in relation to the waterfall, something
will happen.  Just a guess.

> >
> >* Interesting effect with the sillhouette, the starscape background,
> >and the owl.  But what does it mean?

Who knows.
> >
> >* Does Andy have a photographic memory or something?  How did he
> >remember that entire petroglyph to copy onto the chalkboard?
> >
He copied it onto a scratch pad that he brought with him and then
copied the pad onto the blackboard.  Remember Coop told Andy "I
want a complete sketch of this petroglyph" or something to that
extent (I haven't re-watched the tape yet so my quotes won't be
too precise).

> >
> >Well, that's about all I can think of.  Can't wait till next week!
> >
I just hope there is a "next week" pending all of the cancellation
rumors floating around the net.  I personally haven't seen an "official"
announcement by ABC (or did I just miss it?)

=K="Won't somebody stop me from thinking all the time
Kevin Kawado  So bleakly, So deeply"
UC Irvine- Morrissey

I'm sure many of you must have read the Secret Diary of Laura
Palmer.  On page 132 there is a list of initials of people that
Laura had been, oh, let's say, intimate with.  The first four
I can identify as BOB, Bobby Briggs, Leo Johnson, and Ronette
Pulaski.  Has anyone tried to identify the others?  There are
some initials missing that I would have thought should be there;
B.H., for instance (Ben Horne), or J.R. (Jacques Renault).  
There are, however, two J.H.'s (Johnny Horne?!! Jerry Horne?)
If anyone has worked on this, I'd like to know.
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In article <1991Apr12.150605.16585@cbnewsj.att.com>, mon@cbnewsj.att.com (monica.t.wyckoff) writes...

  >Is it me or did someone else hear Major Briggs say (in the 4/4
  >episode) to Coop, "Yes, all three of us saw the bright light".
  >It was the part when the Log Lady and Major Briggs were both
  >sitting in the police station and Coop was drawing both of
  >their tattoos on the blackboard and asking them what they
  >remembered.  Was Major Briggs referring to the Log?

I thought Coop saw the bright light when Major Briggs 
disappeared on their little fishing expedition.  That would 
mean the reference "all three of us" apply to Major Briggs,
the Log Lady, and Cooper.

Carol

In article <183B378F404040A5@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU> UN040377@WVNVAXA.WVNET.EDU
writes:
[deletions]
> >* The wine tasting scene was funny; moreso than the similar "Save the
> >Pine Weasel" scene 2 weeks ago.  Just what kind of wine do they have
> >in Twin Peaks that has banana and chocolate flavor, anyway?!?

This kind of language is standard when 'serious' wine tasters discuss wines.
However, someone who throws words like that around just in order to impress
people is known as a 'wine snob'. It can be taken to extremes, but if you try
some of the wines that are made with an emphasis on quality and uniqueness than
for uniformity and quantity, you will find that words like that are probably
the best approximation for the sensations you will experience in addition to
the basic wine grape flavor. Oregon and Washington are known for producing
wines of this quality.

[deletions]
> >Kenneth Bays 
> >

-Rich Haller

Heather (Annie) is popping up all over now, as it seems TP characters 
seem to do.
Recently saw her in a tape of I Love You To Death (tracy Ullman)
and I could have sworn that she was the girl in a new Obsession (by
Calvin Klein) commercial.  Did any one else see this?

Sharpie

In article <2805C92B.3955@ics.uci.edu> kkawado@ics.uci.edu (Kevin Yasuo Kawado) writes:
> >In article <183B378F404040A5@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU> UN040377@WVNVAXA.WVNET.EDU writes:
>> >>
>> >>Great episode!  I noticed Mark Frost had a hand in the writing for the
>> >>first time since Leland died.  The only thing that bothers me is that
>> >>the chess game has obviously been trashed.  I had thought Earle was
>> >>obsessive enough about chess that he would keep the game serious.
>> >>I know, I know, the writers couldn't fit a whole chess game into the
>> >>remaining episodes, but they should have thought of that beforehand,
>> >>so they wouldn't have to suddenly shift gears here towards the end.
>> >>So now I guess Earle is just killing people at will, without regard to
>> >>chess, as evidenced by the "Someone you know will be next" note.
>> >>
> >I don't think the chess game was trashed.  The reason the pawn is
> >sitting out in the gazzebo (sp?) is because Earle took the pawn
> >(BxKR3 - I know that's not the right notation but is the pawn that
> >was moved out in the last (4/4) episode).  This leaves Earle's
> >bishop extremely exposed.  I'm still curious as to what happens
> >when Coop takes one of Earle's pieces.  If black does not take
> >the white bishop, the white bishop will take the black bishop
> >(which is what I assume "someone you know will be next" follows
> >from).  It is my hypothesis that pawns are just "nobodys" that
> >get paid with beer :-) and the royalty are actual people in TP.
> >Unfortunately, I don't think there's enough time to wrap up the
> >game.
> >
> >
Oops...that should be BxQR3.  I think I have the sides inverted
on the chess board I was looking at.

=K="Won't somebody stop me from thinking all the time
Kevin Kawado  So bleakly, So deeply"
UC Irvine- Morrissey

In article <4355@ryn.mro4.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
> >In article <1991Apr11.223718.20868@wam.umd.edu>, leong@wam.umd.edu (Leong Heng Cheong) writes...
> >
> >} According to ABC, "Twin Peaks" will go on hiatus again after April 18
> >} episode.  The final two episodes will be combined into a two-hour
> >} ABC Monday Night Movie for airing June 10.
> >
> >Doesn't surprise me. When TP was first put on hiatus, it was said that
> >the last two episodes for the season hadn't been filmed at that point.
> >I suspect that they're restructuring the scripts to wrap everything up.
> >
> >-- 
Who out there thinks that TP can be wrapped up in only 2 hours? I bet
we are never going to find out who the creamed corn kid was, and why!
Damn! I am going to miss TP!

Laura Floom

So just how many cases of green peas does the Hayword family go through in 
a typical week?  With Mrs. Hayword asking for two helpings in one scene, 
it must be a lot of them.  And did you see the size of that bowl for just 
the three of them?  Could Mrs. Hayword's addiction to small, green 
vegtables have some connection to her handicap?  
Interesting.
Pete

In article <183B378F404040A5@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU>, UN040377@WVNVAXA.WVNET.EDU writes...
> > 
> >Comments/Questions:
> > 
> >* I liked the kid who was Earle's newest victim a lot.  He was the
> >first character on TP who reminded me of a real person; of someone I
> >knew!  Wonder if his name is Powell, or if something else made Earle
> >choose him.  Question: The arrow went into the pawn, not into the
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^>
kid's body, didn't it?  Yet it killed him.  Maybe since the show is
> >now on at 9:00 they can't show as much violence, and having the arrow go
> >into his body would have been too much?  Doubt it, though.

If you remeber, the pawn wasn't quite finished when the Metalhead was 
killed.  There was an opening about heart level on the side of the pawn.  
You could see the chicken wire frame around the opening.  I guess Windom 
plastered the opening after he shot the crossbow arrow through it to kill 
the kid.
> >* Does Andy have a photographic memory or something?  How did he
> >remember that entire petroglyph to copy onto the chalkboard?

It looked to me that Andy had a piece of folded up paper in his other hand 
that he was using as a guide in transferring the petroglyph to the chalk 
board.  

> >* I think Annie was lying to Coop when she said that she had tried to
> >kill herself because of a boy.  She had just told Cooper she didn't
> >want to talk about it, then suddenly said the first thing that popped
> >into her mind just to satisfy his curiosity.  I think more went on
> >than she's willing to admit.  Perhaps it *was* a boy; a boy named BOB.
> > 
I don't know if they have made a strong enough connection between her 
suicide attempt and her entry into the convent.  She said she didn't want 
to talk about the problems that she was running from that made her enter 
the convent, not that she didn't want to talk about her suicide attempt.

Pete

Hello Peakers, yesterday, Chris Mulkahy was on one of our local
talk shows (Mpls) and when asked about the future of TP, said that
he wasn't sure. He also stated that the show is just screaming over
in Europe and Australia, averaging a 70 share!!! He also thought that
ABC didn't really know what they were doing, and that FOX was trying
to pick them up. With those kind of numbers in Europe, I think FOX
would love to get that hands on TP..

 First of all, all the executives at ABC should be taken out and beaten
soundly. Enough said.

  Last night we saw a hooded figure twice. Could this be the same hooded
figure we saw in the woods with Leo (or was it Ben Horne, I don't remember)
way way back in the first season?

  Second, more hints about the waterfall. Towards the end of the episode
we saw a shot of the waterfall, and it looked like it was parting, like a
portal opening? The waterfall seemed to be represented in the cave drawing.
Remember that Laura was found by the river, and Maddie was found near the
waterfall. Maybe BOB first took the bodies to the Black Lodge for some reason,
and then the bodies washed out of the Black Lodge down the river and out the
waterfall to where they were found.

   The gazebo where the metalhead (who looked like a cross between Steve
Guttenberg and Joe Piscopo) was found dead I think was the same one where
Maddie pretended to be Laura for Dr. Jacoby.

   My friends and I thought we saw the outline of a skull in Windom's computer
representation of the cave drawing. There was what looked like two peaks in the
center of the drawing, and each of those had some concentric circles in them.
Well, these two groups of concentric circles were the eyes of the skull, and
the shape of the skull was vaguely apparent around the eyes. Also in regards
to the drawing, was there some kind of horned creature at the very bottom
of the computer drawing? It was left out of Andy's chalkboard drawing.

Jeff Kouba
Dept. of Physics and Astronomy
University of Iowa
INET: jak@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu

In article <1991Apr9.234542.23271@nntp-server.caltech.edu>, floom@nntp-server.caltech.edu (Laura E. Floom) writes...
> > 
> >BTW, for the computer programmers out there. Lord Byrons daughter was Ada, the
> >women who the language was named after. I know this has nothing to do with TP,
> >but what the hell.

And, I seem to vaguely remember something about how she was
quite the mathematical whiz.  Didn't she also have some kind
of relationship with Turing (of Turing test fame)?  Don't some
claim she is responsible for the birth of the computer, something
about binary, or hex or something?  A women back then just simply
wasn't taken seriously.  (Why else would George Sand use a man's
name?)

Inquiring minds want to know!  -- Carol

I called Zack Manna and was told that his extension is 6721. But that number just rang and
rang.


-- Terry Monks Automata Design Inc (703) 472-9400

In article <9104111053.aa06769@Bonnie.ics.uci.edu> pryono@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Pamela Ryono) writes:
> >I heard on two different radio stations today that Twin Peaks has been
> >cancelled, and a final, two-hour episode is to be broadcast in June.

That would be a spectacularly stupid thing to do.  It would probably mean
that they would have to end the story in June, so they couldn't run any
further episodes on another network.

But what do you expect from executives?  I doubt that they actually care what
they run on their network.  All they care about is the money.  Someone should
institute a minimum intelligence requirement for citizenship in this country.
Of course, the government wouldn't do it because they'd all fail...

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In a previous article, SHARPIE%NETMON@ISUVAX.IASTATE.EDU (Sharpie) says:

> >Heather (Annie) is popping up all over now, as it seems TP characters 
> >seem to do.
> >Recently saw her in a tape of I Love You To Death (tracy Ullman)
> >and I could have sworn that she was the girl in a new Obsession (by
> >Calvin Klein) commercial.  Did any one else see this?
> >

She also has a big role in "Drugstore Cowboy," an excellent film also
starring Matt Dillon and Kelly Lynch(?).

-- -------------------------------------------- Denise M. Fischer (dmf2@po.cwru.edu) Network Information Coordinator, INS Case Western Reserve University

In article <70572@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> riacmt@ubvmsa.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
> >In article <1991Apr9.234542.23271@nntp-server.caltech.edu>, floom@nntp-server.caltech.edu (Laura E. Floom) writes...
>> >> 
>> >>BTW, for the computer programmers out there. Lord Byrons daughter was Ada, the
>> >>women who the language was named after. I know this has nothing to do with TP,
>> >>but what the hell.
> >
> >And, I seem to vaguely remember something about how she was
> >quite the mathematical whiz.  Didn't she also have some kind
> >of relationship with Turing (of Turing test fame)?  Don't some
> >claim she is responsible for the birth of the computer, something
> >about binary, or hex or something?  A women back then just simply
> >wasn't taken seriously.  (Why else would George Sand use a man's
> >name?)
> >
> >Inquiring minds want to know!  -- Carol

Well, I didnt give all the facts in the first posting beacuse i didnt
want to start a net.argument, but this is how it goes. Yes, she was a 
real whiz. And she was a friend of Babbage (and possible lover?) Babbage
designed a computing machine, and its basic design was used for early
modern computers. Now this is the part that some sexist scholars dispute:
Ada "programmed" Babbages machine. So, she is considered the first programmer.

BTW, Turing is a more modern figure. He was the one that came up with a 
method for decoding the enemies codes during WWII. He is British and didnt
get the credit that he deserved because Britian (at least in those days) was
a very homophobic country.

Now back to TP... (oh god! I am gonna miss it!)

Laura Floom

In article <1991Apr10.083111.3955@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> wd5j@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
> >I know posts get kind of scrambled, so forgive the lack of chronology, but
> >someone else's comment about a New Hampshire Stonehenge reminded me with
> >a jolt (!) that there is a Stonehenge-like arrangement of monoliths in the
> >state of Washington--it's visible from the Oregon side of the Columbia
> >River Gorge, on a kind of cliff.  There is a mansion nearby, also visible (I
> >think both are open to the public, I just never drove on the non-interstate
> >road on the other side of the river--I know, I know).  Both were built
> >(legend says) by a rich man for his overseas bride, who died before she
> >could be presented with the gift.  It's very haunting.

According to _Stonehenge Complete_, by Christopher Chippindale
(and coincidentally published by the Cornell University Press!),
"It took an American, Col. Samuel Hill, to do the job properly
with his full-size concrete Stonehenge, built by the River Columbia
at Maryhill, Washington, in the Pacific USA, 1918-29, as a 
memorial to the thirteen war dead of Klicitat county."  (Pg. 178).

The above is the caption to a half-page b/w photograph showing the
monument with several cars parked around it.

-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sam Hill Cabal "Them people'll do anything for money. You'd be bwdavies@sunrise.bitnet suprised. They ain't like us, Doc. They're bwdavies@rodan.acs.syr.edu Christians." -Seldom Seen Smith

The petroglyph (rock writing) has an astrological sign that
I first took for the number 4 but which is probably the sign for
Jupiter - a benevolent planet according to astrologers associated
with expension, generosity and good luck. 
If there is going to be a showdown in Twin Peaks, I'd want to
make my stand on the property indicated by that sign.
 
The whorl patterns seem to be inside two mountains.
I'd be willing to bet that one whorl is clockwise and one counter-
clockwise indicating the energies, good and bad, held by 
the white and black lodges which may very well be hidden inside the
two mountains of Twin Peaks.
 
More astrological symbols appear on the Black Box.
They may indicate a particular time, such as the night when the
moon is full in Aries, or the month when it is new in Libra,
or whatever.
Some of the symbols are not familiar to me.
 
ah

In article <70572@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> riacmt@ubvmsa.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
> >In article <1991Apr9.234542.23271@nntp-server.caltech.edu>, floom@nntp-server.caltech.edu (Laura E. Floom) writes...
>> >> 
>> >>BTW, for the computer programmers out there. Lord Byrons daughter was Ada, the
>> >>women who the language was named after. I know this has nothing to do with TP,
>> >>but what the hell.
> >
> >And, I seem to vaguely remember something about how she was
> >quite the mathematical whiz.  Didn't she also have some kind
> >of relationship with Turing (of Turing test fame)?

Certainly not.  Turing wasn't born yet.  Charles Babbage is who you're
thinking of.  He designed (but never completed) something called the
"Analytical Engine", essentially the first computer.  Ada Lovelace wrote
programs for it, thereby becoming the world's first computer programmer.

Turing quotes her in his proposal for the Turing test, quoting (and
debating with) her most famous line: "The Analytical Engine has no
pretentions to *originate* anything.  It only does what *we know how
to order it* to do." (Turing was arguing for the possibility of artificial
intelligence).

> >  Don't some
> >claim she is responsible for the birth of the computer, something
> >about binary, or hex or something?  A women back then just simply
> >wasn't taken seriously.

She was software, not hardware.

Evidently Babbage and Turing took Ada Lovelace seriously.



--
Joe Buck
jbuck@janus.berkeley.edu {uunet,ucbvax}!janus.berkeley.edu!jbuck

I almost forgot to mention this:  about 5 minutes after
TP ended last night, there was an ad for Obsession on the
same channel.  The two people in the ad appeared
to be the actors who play Dick Tremayne & Donna Hayward.  


Is this new?

Why did they show it after the beginning of the next show (when
 most TP-er's have already switched over to LA Law)?

Why those two?

--
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Could someone post a listing of the chess moves so far??
(or a current board description?)

-mike

In article <1991Apr12.185650.6159@watserv1.waterloo.edu>
alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >
> >The petroglyph (rock writing) has an astrological sign that
> >I first took for the number 4 but which is probably the sign for
> >Jupiter - a benevolent planet according to astrologers associated
> >with expension, generosity and good luck. 

I think you're right, but if you look at it, you can also make yourself think
it represents a variation on the famous number 42!

And while we're on the topic of Jupiter, where's the gas music?

[deletions]
 
> >ah

-Rich (I never travel without my towel) Haller

In article <1991Apr12.175323.28821@nntp-server.caltech.edu>
floom@nntp-server.caltech.edu (Laura E. Floom) writes:
> >In article <70572@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> riacmt@ubvmsa.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
[deletions]
> >
> >Well, I didnt give all the facts in the first posting beacuse i didnt
> >want to start a net.argument, but this is how it goes. Yes, she was a 
> >real whiz. And she was a friend of Babbage (and possible lover?) Babbage
> >designed a computing machine, and its basic design was used for early
> >modern computers. Now this is the part that some sexist scholars dispute:
> >Ada "programmed" Babbages machine. So, she is considered the first programmer.

Yup, and they named a programming language after her. It is required on all DOD
machines, I believe. I'll bet the Major can program in it :-)

[deletions]
> >
> >Laura Floom
> >

-Rich (Just say "NO!" to MSDOS) Haller

In article <2805D6B9.10125@ics.uci.edu> kkawado@ics.uci.edu (Kevin Yasuo Kawado) writes:
> >In article <2805C92B.3955@ics.uci.edu> kkawado@ics.uci.edu (Kevin Yasuo Kawado) writes:
>> >>In article <183B378F404040A5@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU> UN040377@WVNVAXA.WVNET.EDU writes:
>>> >>>
>> >>I don't think the chess game was trashed.  The reason the pawn is
>> >>sitting out in the gazzebo (sp?) is because Earle took the pawn
>> >>(BxKR3 - I know that's not the right notation but is the pawn that
>> >>was moved out in the last (4/4) episode).  This leaves Earle's
>> >>bishop extremely exposed.  I'm still curious as to what happens
>> >>when Coop takes one of Earle's pieces.  If black does not take
>> >>the white bishop, the white bishop will take the black bishop
>> >>(which is what I assume "someone you know will be next" follows
>> >>from).  It is my hypothesis that pawns are just "nobodys" that
>> >>get paid with beer :-) and the royalty are actual people in TP.
>> >>Unfortunately, I don't think there's enough time to wrap up the
>> >>game.
>> >>
> >Oops...that should be BxQR3.  I think I have the sides inverted
> >on the chess board I was looking at.

Maybe I have the moves mixed up, but couldn't the move also be Queen to
Queen seven?  If I have the pieces wrong, please let me know.

If I don't have the pieces wrong, and this could be the move made by WE,
it's a very forward move, attacking the Queen and King.

Of course, if the chess game is scrapped, WE may just attack Annie, shouting
"King me!"

- Craig F.

Fiona Oceanstar writes:

     [daft ravings about a GUT check....deleted]

Ok...I'm in. TP skeptic or no. (I wish I still had my "Belly High"
theme music post...anyone have that intact?) Just don't ask me 
to attend any TP 20th Anniversary Reunions...(or sing).

-- davis@keats.ca.uky.edu Is this a long trip or a short trip?

In article <9104121929.AA20415@prism> ccastmg@prism.gatech.edu writes:
> >Could someone post a listing of the chess moves so far??
> >(or a current board description?)
> >
> >-mike

The board, as transcribed by Ed Hughes:

+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| WR  |     |     | WK  | WQ  | WB  | WN  | WR  |
|    w|    b|    w|    b|    w|    b|    w|    b|
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| WP  | WP  | WP  |     |     | WP  | WP  | WP  |
|    b|    w|    b|    w|    b|    w|    b|    w|
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
|     |     | WN  |     |     |     |     |     |
|    w|    b|    w|    b|    w|    b|    w|    b|
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
|     |     |     | WP  |     |     |     |     |
|    b|    w|    b|    w|    b|    w|    b|    w|
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
|     |     |     | WP  |     |     |     |     |
|    w|    b|    w|    b|    w|    b|    w|    b|
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
|     |     |     |     |     | BN  | BP  | WB  |    Captured:
|    b|    w|    b|    w|    b|    w|    b|    w|    ---------
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+    BP by WP
| BP  | BP  | BP  |     | BP  | BP  |     |     |    BP by WB
|    w|    b|    w|    b|    w|    b|    w|    b|
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+
| BR  | BN  | BB  | BK  | BQ  | BB  |     | BR  |
|    b|    w|    b|    w|    b|    w|    b|    w|
+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+


b = black square  w = white square
B = black piece   W = white piece
K= king  Q = queen  B = bishop  N = knight  R = rook  P = pawn
                                      

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In article <10394@hub.ucsb.edu>, 6600powr@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Linda J. Williamson) writes:
|> In article <sbyrEUW00VsnI3zRRP@andrew.cmu.edu> bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) writes:

|> Actually, it was just last night that I happened
|> across that little tidbit of info relating to a
|> Leland Palmer in "All That Jazz" as well.  "All That
|> Jazz" is one of my favorite films of all time
|> (incidentally, did y'all know it's a remake of the
|> Fellini film 8 1/2?).  Anyhow, I was playing the
|> soundtrack album last night, and I noticed Leland
|> Palmer on the credits.  I'm not sure who was who,
|> but I think that she is the actress that played Joe
|> Gideon's ex-wife in the film, not at all a minor
|> role.  

     No.  That was Ann Reinking, Bob Fosse's ex-wife (surprise).  And yes,
I would not be surprised if Bob Fosse had seen '8.5' after his heart attack.
Of xourse, I would be surprised if he were to say so now... somber :-)
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Space Physics and Astronomy |                anal-retentive alcoholics.
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In article <1991Apr12.201907.21135@rice.edu> bdm@spacsun.rice.edu (Brian D. Moore) writes:
> >In article <10394@hub.ucsb.edu>, 6600powr@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Linda J. Williamson) writes:
> >|> In article <sbyrEUW00VsnI3zRRP@andrew.cmu.edu> bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) writes:

> >|> Actually, it was just last night that I happened
> >|> across that little tidbit of info relating to a
> >|> Leland Palmer in "All That Jazz" as well.  "All That
> >|> Jazz" is one of my favorite films of all time
> >|> (incidentally, did y'all know it's a remake of the
> >|> Fellini film 8 1/2?).  

No I didn't, because it's not.  Or only in the generic sense that any
semi-autobiographical film about a director's travails is now going to
be compared to 8 1/2.  Now the stage musical NINE, that acknowledges its
debt to Fellini as a source.

> >|>Anyhow, I was playing the
> >|> soundtrack album last night, and I noticed Leland
> >|> Palmer on the credits.  I'm not sure who was who,
> >|> but I think that she is the actress that played Joe
> >|> Gideon's ex-wife in the film, not at all a minor
> >|> role.  

> >     No.  That was Ann Reinking, Bob Fosse's ex-wife (surprise).

Doubly wrong, sorry.  Joe Gideon's ex-wife (roughly corresponding to
Gwen Verdon in real life) WAS played by Leland Palmer, a dancer who had
appeared in Fosse's stage shows PIPPIN and (as a replacement) CHICAGO.
And Bob Fosse was NOT ever married to Ann Reinking, who plays his
current girlfriend in the movie.

Jon Alan Conrad

In article <9104111053.aa06769@Bonnie.ics.uci.edu>, pryono@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU (Pamela Ryono) writes:
> > I heard on two different radio stations today that Twin Peaks has been
> > cancelled, and a final, two-hour episode is to be broadcast in June.
> > Until then, this Thursday's episode is the last one. Did anyone hear
> > anything similar?

NO

--COOL BEAN
-- **This is not cultural.

Looks as if aliens may be at the "root" of all the evil in the woods
after all.

All's I really want to know is why the owls are not what they seem and
what they really are.  

--Cool Bean
-- **This is not cultural.

Before you read any further, please note: I'm proposing a project
here that will require a certain format, which is that from now on
I will only read articles with the characters "RS" at the front of
the subject heading.  So if you want to talk to me for any reason--
if you want to tell me I'm full of hogwash, if you want to tell me
something about COOP, I don't care what it is--please WRITE to me
by private e-mail (fi@grebyn.com).  You'll see why, after you read
this proposal.

The easiest way, of course, to express your total lack of interest
in my proposal, is to stop reading now, and don't ever ever put
"RS" in the subject heading of your article.  That'll be fine by
me.  If it doesn't work out, that's OK.  It's going to be hard work
to pull this off, so I won't cry if you take me off the hook here.

--Fiona :-)

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Thursday night, 10 PM

All right, y'all, I just turned off the TV after watching "Twin Peaks,"
and I've got an idea.   Let's do something to put alt.tv.twin-peaks on
the map.  Let's dream up an all- or mostly-inconclusive theory about
what the mystery is--tying as many as possible of the pieces together--
and write it up for national publication.

This is what I propose:
     --between right *now* and whenever the Canadians see the next
episode, is the time period that we have for the discussion; if anyone on
the group has secret inside knowledge of the next episode, I ask
them to please (please!) refrain from contributing to the discussion
     --everyone who wants is in on the discussion--it's open to all members
of the group who have seen all the way through what I will call the
"Twin Kiss" episode--and to anyone else who doesn't mind hearing all
the spoilers
     --we need a name for the project, so let's call it the
_Rolling_Stone_ project
     --why _Rolling_Stone_?  because what I'm proposing is this: we will
develop this theory and I will write it up for submission to
_Rolling_Stone_ magazine.  We already know they like "Twin Peaks"--
they've covered the show extensively, including a cover photo the "women
of TP" (remember all those eyebrows?), but what they haven't done is to
write something *intelligent* about the mystery.
     --but we *DO* have something intelligent to say.  We have lots of
good ideas about the mystery, and even if we don't actually "figure out
the answer," as it were, we're sure to come up with a nice sexy theory
with all kinds of juicy details--that it be a FUN theory, is more
important than whether it's right or not
     --the article's half-written already, because I can use the
material from the article I wrote for the _Twin_Peaks_Gazette_ (I've got
the copyright, don't worry) as the introduction, and then move right
into this project of ours
     --so basically, I'm volunteering to be the "scribe" for the group,
the person who writes up the "minutes" of our discussion and summarizes
them in the form of an article

Just as I did in my previous article, I would give full credit, by name,
to everyone who contributes to the discussion in a substantive way--and
you can make up your own names, your own details about your life--
whatever you want--pick some goofy name like "Fiona Oceanstar," I don't
care--it's your chance to be famous.

But don't start working on your handle and stuff until we've
developed the theory--we need people to put together a good ascii
drawing of the "map" or whatever it is, and also the lid of the inner
puzzle box (I'm being purposely vague so as not to include spoilers)--we
need people to compile all the clues so far--etc. etc.

My position will be as a spectator: I will participate minimally in the
discussion, and if I come up with anything unique, I'll just consider
that "public domain" material that doesn't have to be credited to
anyone, because it's awkward to both write the article and give credit
to myself.  A couple of other people have independently arrived at the
owl-UFO connection (you know the one I mean), so I won't need to take
credit for that.

To preserve my ignorance of the remainder of this spring's series during
the writing of the article, I will begin taping the shows on next
Thursday, and not see any of the taped shows, nor read any spoilers in
this newsgroup, from that date on--until I've finished writing the article.

Then, after I've written it, I'll post it to the newsgroup for general
critique--a short period just to check it over for mistakes or errors in
giving proper credit.

If any argument arises over who should get credit for things, I'll just
name multiple people, don't worry--but let's try to be reasonable and
not have to clutter the text of the article with too many names--I
should think somewhere between 6 and 12 would be OK.

But I *will* give credit to everyone, with an acknowledgments paragraph
added after the end of the article.

Got it?  Read it over again if you're not sure.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

So what do you think?  Do you think it will work?  What can it hurt to
try, huh?  If we succeed in placing it in _Rolling_Stone_, we'll all be
famous, and have something to show family and friends about what we've
been doing these past many months.  And if we fail, well... I'll just
submit it to _Spy_ or _Details_ or some other magazine.

Now.  Here's the scoop.  If you *agree* with this plan, do NOT--repeat,
do NOT--post your agreement to the newsgroup.  There's too much traffic
already.

If you agree with the plan AND want to launch right into the discussion
(since we're going to be doing that anyway), start posting all your
articles with "RS:" at the front of the subject heading.  Anyone can
join, but everyone has to label their contributions with "RS:" so I'll
know which ones to read and which ones not to read.

If you agree AND have nothing to contribute right away, you can write to
me by private e-mail and give your support for the project. 

And, of course, if you think it's a terrible idea and you absolutely
categorically refuse to have anything to do with it, then write to me by
private e-mail and tell me *that*.  I promise to listen to all
suggestions, and summarize *all* of the negative feedback to the group,
because there may be useful suggestions about the format of the discussion
lurking in there we'd want to take into account.  If there's an
overwhelming swell of "No, Fiona! Never! I'd feel horribly betrayed if
you did such a crass and tacky and self-aggrandizing thing!" then fine,
I'll bag it.  :-)

But if you don't like the project, *and* you're in a very small minority
of the letters I get, then you better keep the letters "RS" out of your
subject headings.  From this point on, I'm *only* going to read stuff
that has "RS" in the heading.  If you want to talk about how sweet David
Lynch's eyes are (aren't they? <sigh>), that's fine, I don't care if you
"RS" it one way or the other--I'll save everything anyway and read it
later when the article's finished.  But if you want me to include you in
the credits for the mystery discussion, get that "RS" in there.

The only problem I can think of, is the situation where someone
strenuously objects and does NOT want to be included, but they're in the
minority so we go ahead with the project anyway, and then someone quotes
them in an RS-labeled article so I accidentally read their ideas.
Sheesh.  I don't how we can get around that.  Just cooperate with each
other, I guess.  And hope that there isn't much dissension.  This has
been a pretty congenial group all along, so I doubt that problem will
crop up.  We'll just burn that bridge when we get to it, as they say.

And we're off.... unless of course y'all decide to tar and feather me.
I couldn't write the article then, I guess.  It'd be hard to see, and
I'd get black gunk all over the keyboard.

REMEMBER:
  --if you want to talk about the format --> write *me*
  --if you want to talk about the mystery --> post using "RS:"
in your subject heading

                                                  
                                                  --Fiona Oceanstar
                                                    fi@grebyn.com

First of all, if you haven't read my previous posting on "Project
Rolling Stone" yet, this is all going to be Greek (or Swahili) to
you.  It's posted under a subject heading starting "FIONA...".  If
for some reason you haven't gotten it by say, late afternoon on
Friday the 12th, or if your newsreader dropped if before you could
read it, write to me at fi@grebyn.com and ask for it.  But *look*
for it first, or get it from someone else even, because if this
project flies, I'm going to be deluged with mail.  :-)

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Friday 4/12
8:30 AM

There are two new wrinkles in Project Rolling Stone as of this
morning:

1)  First, I hear from *you* that the next TP episode will NOT be aired
next Thursday, but not until somewhat later, perhaps as late as June.
This is awful (of course), but it might have a silver lining for this
project, which is that we'll have more time to churn out our Grand
Unified Theory.

2)  Second, it occurs to me that _Rolling_Stone_ may actually *pay* me
for this proposed article (gee whiz, didn't think of that (-:), and I
want y'all to share in the benefits from that, so I'll promise to buy a
certain number (depends on how much I get paid... (-:) of Twin Peaks T-
shirts and/or coffee mugs, like the ones advertised in the _Gazette_,
and give them out to the top several people who contribute the most
to Project Rolling Stone.  Is that an incentive?  (or *what*...)

Lemme know (by *e-mail*) what you think, or if you want to just launch
right in, post to the group using "RS:" in your header.  If you *don't*
put "RS:" in the header, you won't be eligible for a T-shirt or coffee
cup, because I won't ever read your postings until after the project is
over.

Now there's less need for me to worry about spoilers, of course, if
the show's not going to be on for a while, but I still want that "RS:"
to be in the subject headings of your articles, so I'll know I have your
consent for this project.  Does that make sense?

Let's do it!  (Unless, of course, you don't want to... (-:)

                                                       --Fiona

In article <1991Apr12.163704.28030@nntp-server.caltech.edu>, floom@nntp-server.caltech.edu (Laura E. Floom) writes...
> >In article <4355@ryn.mro4.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
>> >>In article <1991Apr11.223718.20868@wam.umd.edu>, leong@wam.umd.edu (Leong Heng Cheong) writes...
>> >>
>> >>} According to ABC, "Twin Peaks" will go on hiatus again after April 18
>> >>} episode.  The final two episodes will be combined into a two-hour
>> >>} ABC Monday Night Movie for airing June 10.
>> >>
>> >>Doesn't surprise me. When TP was first put on hiatus, it was said that
>> >>the last two episodes for the season hadn't been filmed at that point.
>> >>I suspect that they're restructuring the scripts to wrap everything up.
>> >>
>> >>-- 
> >Who out there thinks that TP can be wrapped up in only 2 hours? I bet
                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Does anyone see a Startrek TNG ending comming ???

Y'know, "let's wrap up all the loos ends in 5 mins".....


Why can't writers have ending that do justice tho the rest of the series/
episode ???

In article <1991Apr12.133212.6324@eng.ufl.edu> statman@whale.ufl.edu (Chuck Kincaid) writes:
> >
> >Finally, I am not overly bothered by a cancellation of Twin
> >Peaks.  (Is this blasphemy :-)  I will be saddened, and there will be
> >an emptiness in my life where Cooper once was, but it will have been
> >a good trip.  [deletions] 
> >  HOWEVER, if these so and so's end this poorly then I
> >will be in a pissed off, uproar.  I expect great things from
> >Lynch/Frost.  [deletions] 
> >seriously, I want Twin Peaks to go out with a BANG and not a whimper.
> >
> >charles d. kincaid
> >statman@stat.ufl.edu    <------#######   Correct address.  The one above
> >                                         is probably not.

     I'd just like to add my vote to the apparently widespread opinion: I
love Twin Peaks. I will be sad to see it gone; I will miss it. However, as
long as we see _all_ of the episodes that are made, I can accept this. More:
I welcome the chance for TP to leave honorably, rather than dwindle away into
mediocrity and obscurity (more than it already has :-(/2 ). If they had kept
episodes from us, I would feel cheated. As long as they show all extant 
episodes, and end with a BANG as statman says, Twin Peaks will never really
die! 
-- :::::::Amanda Babcock, Univ. of MD::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::amanda@wam.umd.edu:::::::::::: :::::::::::::"Physics is my religion":::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::^^Twin Peaks Forever!^^::::

 Having heard the bad news about TP on hiatus after the 18th, I opened my
TV Guide to the 18th only to find that the ABC affiliate here (Albuquerque)
is showing some show on drugs with Tom Selleck and Whitney Houston. No sign
of a rebroadcast of that TP episode anywhere. Other ABC affiliates seem to
be showing TP on the 18th, just not ours (ABC). Is this strictly a local
phenomena? Has anyone else run into this? Is there anyone out there that would
be willing to make me a copy of the episode? I'd sent a tape and postage.
 I can't believe they're doing this.
              Jamii


-- -----------jamii@edsr.eds.com or ....uunet!edsr!jamii------------------ "Well, he certainly has a renaissance passion for exploration." Agent Cooper, "Twin Peaks"

In article <20399@brahms.udel.edu>, conrad@brahms.udel.edu (Jon Conrad) writes:
|> In article <1991Apr12.201907.21135@rice.edu> bdm@spacsun.rice.edu (Brian D. Moore) writes:

|> >|>Anyhow, I was playing the
|> >|> soundtrack album last night, and I noticed Leland
|> >|> Palmer on the credits.  I'm not sure who was who,
|> >|> but I think that she is the actress that played Joe
|> >|> Gideon's ex-wife in the film, not at all a minor
|> >|> role.  
|> 
|> >     No.  That was Ann Reinking, Bob Fosse's ex-wife (surprise).
|> 
|> Doubly wrong, sorry.  Joe Gideon's ex-wife (roughly corresponding to
|> Gwen Verdon in real life) WAS played by Leland Palmer, a dancer who had
|> appeared in Fosse's stage shows PIPPIN and (as a replacement) CHICAGO.
|> And Bob Fosse was NOT ever married to Ann Reinking, who plays his
|> current girlfriend in the movie.
|> 
|> Jon Alan Conrad

     Mea culpa.  I got his real-life girlfriend confused with his real-life
ex-wife.   Hrmm, not enough coffee, I guess.
-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian D. Moore | Homebrewing -- the only sport exclusively for Space Physics and Astronomy | anal-retentive alcoholics. Rice University, Houston TX | Relax -- have a home brew. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

In article <kXs2Z4w164w@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us>, dlc@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (David L. Claytor) writes:
> > This is an open letter of congratulations and appreciation to our own 
> > Fiona Oceanstar, whose article "Appreciating alt.tv.twin-peaks" appeared 
> > in the March 1991 (Volume 1, Number 2) issue of the _Twin_Peaks_Gazette_. 
> > It's an excellent, well-written article that captures the flavor and
> > character of this newsgroup and carries word of our existence beyond the 
> > initiated.  Your words do us proud, Fiona.  Thanks.
> > 
> > --
> > David L. Claytor
> > dlc@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us
> > ....!umich!leebai!mudos!dlc

For those of us who don't have access to a copy of the T.P. Gazette and want to
read the article, could someone post it?  I'm so curious...
Thanks
Lisa

After some pondering I was wondering why was the FBI called into
the murder investigation in the first place??  Or was something else
going on that I don't remember.

Also, does anyone else out there wonder why most if not all of the FBI agents
on the show are always very strange?   There's no good old Harry S in the
FBI, only Coop, who is not your average Joe, the Denise/Dennis thing, Albert
has his moments, and then this new guy with the wierd hearing thang, and of
course our token psycho Mr Earle.
I may have even missed some!  I wonder what our men and women in the Bureau think
about it.


Rich

Well, I've got four comments/questions/whatever at this point (God, I love
this show...):

1. Any speculations as to what's in that black "puzzle box" from Eckhardt?

2. As revealed in last night's show (4/11), the judges in the Miss Twin Peaks
contest are hopelessy biased. Suppose, just suppose...they avoid the whole
uncomfortable issue and give the crown to *Nadine*. Imagine a confrontation
between Windom Earle and Nadine.....

3. I'm a bit dismayed by the way they left us hanging, with Josie stuck in
that drawer knob. Not a WORD about it since it happened. Is she still there,
getting sprayed with New Lemon-Freshened Pledge by the hotel maids twice
a week, or what?

4. I can't *believe* an ultra-sharp cat like Coop would fail to closely
examine the Bonsai, *knowing* it was from Windom Earle. Sheesh.

5. (I know, I said four, but...) Once again, is there any source of 
Twin Peaks paraphenalia, such as the coffee mug or something? 

Ron Morgan
osmigo@emx.utexas.edu

They cut the opening credits (April 11) AGAIN!

-Matt
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Giving Cooper the new 10mm automatic was a nice touch.  I first read
about the new standard FBI-issue weapon in the _FBI Law Enforcement
Bulletin_ a year or so ago.  I don't remember "Smith & Wesson" being
the designated manufacturer, though.

(Should probably move this to rec.guns.)


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In article <1991Apr10.083111.3955@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> wd5j@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
> >I know posts get kind of scrambled, so forgive the lack of chronology, but
> >someone else's comment about a New Hampshire Stonehenge reminded me with
> >a jolt (!) that there is a Stonehenge-like arrangement of monoliths in the
> >state of Washington--it's visible from the Oregon side of the Columbia
> >River Gorge, on a kind of cliff.  There is a mansion nearby, also visible (I
> >think both are open to the public, I just never drove on the non-interstate
> >road on the other side of the river--I know, I know).  Both were built
> >(legend says) by a rich man for his overseas bride, who died before she
> >could be presented with the gift.  It's very haunting.

   The Stonehenge replica is located in Maryhill, Washington, which is
about 35 miles east of The Dalles, on the north shore of the Columbia
(read: the middle of nowhere).  The site is on a small bluff overlooking
the Columbia river gorge from the east side.  It is a fairly accurate 
replica in terms of placement and scale, but the monolithic members are 
of cast concrete, not stone.  A plaque in the heelstone states that the 
monument was built shortly after WWI as a war memorial.  I do not know 
if the "stones" have been aligned so as to replicate Stonehenge's 
astronomical properties, but I suspect they haven't.  

   The monument is mostly of interest to biker gangs (which hold drunken
revels there from time to time) and Portland/Vancouver (WA) neo-Pagans,
who grit their teeth, cleanse and banish the from the site the lingering
miasma of the biker parties, and do seasonal rituals.
  
   Curiously, I have been to both types of functions.  (Welcome to Oregon,
things look different here. :-))

   The mansion is actually a museum, and for some completely unfathomable
reason, contains the U.S.'s largest collection of Rodin sculpture.  The
museum and Stonehenge replica were originally part of some millionare's
effort to establish a Oneida-style utopian planned community.  The
community is long since gone, but the museum and Stonehenge remain.   

   This site is well over a hundred miles from anything resembling the
fictional location of Twin Peaks; in fact, Maryhill is well over a
hundred miles from *anything* worth mentioning.

   Except maybe BendOregon ... :-)

John

ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:

> > 
> >    I thought Cooper's enthusiasm for new weapon was a little inconsistent
> > with the fact that he had customized his old one.

 
I went to the range last weekend and shot one of the new FBI-spec
Smith and Wesson 10mm semiautos.  I understand Coop's enthusiasm
perfectly!

Barry Campbell
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> >From: jak@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu
> >Subject: About the cave drawing...
> >
> > First of all, all the executives at ABC should be taken out and beaten
> >soundly. Enough said.
Agreed, wholeheartedly.  Has anyone seen the Sat. Night Live
skit, "What were you thinking?"  ABC execs. should be their next
interviewees.  It might go like this, "So you had one of the most 
revolutionary television shows in history-- you moved it to
the graveyard Saturday night slot, had several odd and unannounced
hiatuses, and when its ratings were lowest, put it up against
Cheers, the highest rated show in America for years.  Mr. Iger, what were 
you thinking?"

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <6259@male.EBay.Sun.COM> fins@radgumbo.Corp.Sun.COM (Richard Schiavi) writes:

> >After some pondering I was wondering why was the FBI called into
> >the murder investigation in the first place??  Or was something else
> >going on that I don't remember.

Because Ronette Pulaski crossed the state line, and then because the
murder connected (via the letter under the fingernail) to a case that
the FBI was already in on.

> >Also, does anyone else out there wonder why most if not all of the FBI agents
> >on the show are always very strange?   

Ever met an FBI agent?  'Nuff said.  ;)

> >There's no good old Harry S in the FBI, 

There's Roger.

> >only Coop, who is not your average Joe, the Denise/Dennis thing, 

Denise is
  -not a "thing";
  -not an FBI agent.

> >Albert
> >has his moments, and then this new guy with the wierd hearing thang, 

"This new guy" is hardly new.

> >and of course our token psycho Mr Earle.
> >I may have even missed some!  I wonder what our men and women in the
> >Bureau think about it.

They probably think it's "weird" and watch Cheers instead, like most
people. 

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Poetry ends like a rope" --Jack Spicer

Everybody chose to ignore my last post, so I'll ask again.  Is Bob's
office in NY or LA?  If it is in NY, does anyone have that address?  (It was
given out on David Letterman by David Lynch.)  My friends are bugging me to
get the address for them so we can all write letters.  Please respond via
email, or failing that, post here.  And I realize letters have very little
chance of doing anything, but my friends and I wouldn't feel comfortable
watching ^TP^ die without doing anything.  Somebody please respond to this.
Thank you.

Dan Harkless
dharkles@bonnie.ics.uci.edu
       ^
       One "s" only

Did anyone else notice that both Windom's and Leo's fingerprints
are on the arrow that the 'pawn' was shot with? Some how this doesn't
seem quite like Windom's style.

Also when Coops kisses his 'nun' all that amazing amount of lipstick stays
in one place (probably plastic :-)

just being picky

Paul

-- Paul Campbell UUCP: ..!mtxinu!taniwha!paul AppleLink: CAMPBELL.P "But don't we all deserve. More than a kinder and gentler fuck" - Two Nice Girls, "For the Inauguration"

It seems obvious to me.  Ben is responsible for Mrs. Hayward's
"condition", and his recent change of heart explains why he's seeing
her - to apologize.

In article <16e4Z1w161w@nstar.rn.com> carl@nstar.rn.com (Carl O. Zahrt) writes:
> >Trivia:
> >  I believe Shelley's (The poet) wife wrote "Frankenstein's Monster".
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Uh ... The 'wife' of Percy Bysshe(sp?) Shelley (the poet) has a name ... Mary
Wollstencraft Shelley (the author) ... for some reason I got offended at the
reference ... I feel better now.  Thank you for your support.

In article <1991Apr5.140927.8630@cs.cmu.edu> webb@CS.CMU.EDU (Jon Webb) writes:
> >I was really bored by last night's show, and I've been a fan of Twin

Like ... if you're bored by the show, stop watching it???

In article <47126@ut-emx.uucp> osmigo@ut-emx.uucp (Ron Morgan) writes:

> >4. I can't *believe* an ultra-sharp cat like Coop would fail to closely
> >examine the Bonsai, *knowing* it was from Windom Earle. Sheesh.


 Huh?  Didn't Truman indicate that the card said it was from Josie?

Bud


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I'm pretty sure that the symbols represent the
various planets in the solar system (including the
sun?).  I think the symbols are Roman.

So could this be a reference to the aliens
from outer space?  Remember the message that Major
Briggs received from outer space, and what it said
when he gave the printout to Cooper?

Also, I noticed that in the computer drawing of Owl
Cave by Windham Earle, there was a Roman symbol that
looked like the number '4'.  It was toward the
lower lefthand corner of the screen.
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**SPOILERS ABOUND FOR THOSE HERE AND IN EUROPE**

Background: This list was first done as a tongue-in-cheek
joke by yours truly, but is now a "canonical" listing of
the legitimate and not-so-legitimate recurring imagery that
occurs frequently in the "^Twin Peaks^" TV show.

Also available: "The 12 Days of Christmas" a la "^Twin Peaks^"
 
Well, here's the eighth version of this list.
Special thanks go to the following people for contributing:
  Linda Birmingham (twice), Scott L. Vandenberg,
  Ann Hodgins, Jeanne Stapleton, Bradford H. Needham,
  Palmer Davis, "Arachnid", Greg M. Brown, Eric Daniels,
  Ron Sires, Bill Downing, "Scratch", "Rocky" (twice),
  Kathleen Hunt (twice), Bob Hettmansperger, John Locke,
  Nadir Ahmed (twice), Gary Kacmarcik, Marc Kriguer,
  David Barker-Plummer, S. Clark, "Cool Bean", and Kenneth
  Kenneth Bays.


Symbols/motifs in the "^Twin Peaks^" Universe
(last updated 4/13/91, 4/2/91, 3/16/91, 3/4/91, 2/28/91,
2/19/91, 2/8/91, and whenever before that in January):

  1.  Sex, comedy, violence, and rock 'n roll

  2.  Ceiling fan in the Palmer home (connected to Laura's
death?)

  3.  Traffic light

  4.  "Invitation to Love" soap opera

  5.  Waterfall outside The Great Northern Inn

  6.  Sprinkler on the Sheriff's Office ceiling

  7.  Coffee, donuts, and cherry pie

  8.  Owls

  9.  Psychic visions

 10.  Trees/forest/wood:
Forest in/outside Twin Peaks,
Log Lady's log,
Bookhouse Boys patch, and
Doorknob on drawer in The Great Northern Inn

 11.  Dead people:
Laura Palmer,
Bernard/Jacque/Jean Renault,
Emory Bates,
Blackie O'Reilly,
Harold Smith,
Madeleine Ferguson,
Leland Palmer,
Eric Powell (dead drifter),
Jeffery Marsh,
Malcolm Sloan (Evelyn Marsh's lover),
Jonathan Kumagi (assistant to Thomas Eckhardt),
Thomas Eckhardt, and
Josie Packard

Also Theresa Banks, the Log Lady's husband (see
#15), and little Nicky's parents.

 12.  Full/half moon

 13.  Glasses/sunglasses:
Doctor Jacoby,
Benjamin Horne,
Jerry Horne,
The Log Lady,
Madeleine Ferguson,
Laura Palmer/Donna Hayward, 
        Evelyn Marsh, and
Thomas Eckhardt

 14.  Cigarette/cigar smoking:
Benjamin Horne,
Shelley/Leo Johnson,
Bobby Briggs,
Audrew Horne,
Josie Packard,
Donna Hayward, and
Evelyn Marsh

 15.  Fire:
The Log Lady's husband died in a forest fire,
"Fire, walk with me",
"Fire is the devil, hiding like a coward in the
  smoke"--The Log Lady,
The scorched smell that Doctor Jacoby and Madeleine
  Ferguson both smelled when BOB was around,
Packard sawmill fire, and
The fire from the fireplace at the Great Northern
          lobby reflecting off Thomas Eckhardt's sunglasses 

 16.  White horse:
Laura Palmer's pony (Troy) that was seen by Sarah
  Palmer right before BOB killed Madeleine Ferguson,
"General" Benjamin Horne's Civil War piece(s), and
"General" Benjamin Horne's stuffed horse "Traveller"

 17.  Light and dark:
White/Black Lodge, and
Chess pieces

 18.  Light fixtures/lightbulbs on the ceiling:
Sheriff's Office light when Eric Powell is found, and
Leo/Shelley Johnson's ceiling light when Leo awakens

 19.  Animal heads:
The mounted deer head in the Sheriff's office with
  the sign "The Buck Stopped Here"
The deer head that's on the table when Sheriff Truman
  and Agent Cooper bring in Laura Palmer's safety
  deposit box,
The assortment of trophys in the den (?) in
  Pete/Catherine Martell's home, 
The deer head next to Eric Powell,
The cooked pig head that Josie serves as the main
  course in the dinner to Catherine Martell and
    Thomas Eckhardt, and
The mounted dear head in the Book House

 20.  Hank's domino

 21.  Chess/chess pieces

 22.  Twins/opposites:
Agent Cooper/Windham Earle,
Laura Palmer/Madeleine Ferguson,
Bernard/Jacque Renault, 
Mike/Bob:
  Mike Nelson (Nadine Hurley's crush)/Bobby Briggs,
  Phillip Michael Gerard (the OAM)/Bob Lydecker (vet),
  Mike (spirit inside OAM)/Killer BOB)
The Giant/Little Man from Another Place

 23.  "Family trios" (warped versions on Daddy/Mommy/Child): 
Bobby Briggs/Shelley Johnson/Leo Johnson,
(Dick Tremayne/Andy)/Lucy Moran/Nicky,
"Big" Ed Hurley/Norma Jennings/Nadine
  Hurley,
Bobby Briggs/Audrey Horne/Benjamin Horne,
Malcolm/Evelyn Marsh/James Hurley, and
(Pete Martell/Andrew Packard/Thomas Eckhardt)/
  Catherine Martell/Josie Packard

 24.  The color brown

 25.  Lookalikes (characters who physically resemble each
      other):
Benjamin Horne/Leland Palmer,
Audrey Horne/Donna Hayward, and
Laura Palmer/Madeleine Ferguson

 26.  Tattoos:
Major Brigg's neck, and
The Log Lady's leg

 27.  Red curtains in various dreams/visions/places:
The Roadhouse stage,
Agent Cooper's first dream sequence with the Little
  Man from Another Place, 
Jacque Renault's log cabin, and
One Eyed Jacks

 28.  Furry animals:
The llama,
Josie Packard's vicuua coat (well, kind of >=)),
The white animal (fox?) in Benjamin Horne's office, and
The pine weasel

29.  Picnics:
Laura Palmer/Donna Hayward/James Hurley,
Donna Hayward/James Hurley, and
Audrey Horne/John Wheeler

30.  Items on shelves:
The Hurley home ("Big" Ed),
The Palmer's home (fireplace mantle), and
The Great Northern

31.  Alteregos/characters:
Madeleine Ferguson/Laura Palmer (in a wig?),
Hester Prinn (sp?)/Audrey Horne,
Leo/Bobby (he did an impression of him),
Mister Tojimura/Catherine Martell,
Dennis (last name)/Denise,
(Name and name)/Andy Brennan and Dick Tremayne (when
  they were looking for little Nicky's file),
Civil War characters/Benjamin Horne, Jerry Horne,
  Bobby Briggs, Audrey Horne, and Doctor Jacoby,
Mr. and Mrs. Inkman/Mike Nelson and Nadine Hurley,
Doctor Gerald Craig/Windham Earle, and
Edward Perkins/Windham Earle
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In article <183B378F404040A5@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU> UN040377@WVNVAXA.WVNET.EDU writes:
> >
> >* I have no ideas about the cave "map", but I'm sure that by next
> >Thursday we'll have the whole thing analyzed on here.  I did notice
> >one thing: the symbol beside the fire was one of the planetary
> >symbols, although I can't remeber which.  Saturn, maybe?  I also think
> >this was the only planetary symbol on the map, so maybe this is where
> >the "aliens" are from, if they are indeed aliens.

It was Jupiter or Saturn beside the fire, I'm not sure which.  Either one
is uninhabitable by humanoids (or most probably any carbon-based life at
all), but that didn't stop George Adamski from selling lots of books
because the general public didn't know any better.  But I digress...  It's
possible that the aliens or whatever aren't physical beings, but some sort
of thought-form, elemental, demon, whatever.  (This occasionally gets
proposed in real UFOlogy as well, though it would probably mean that the
scars on abductees weren't the result of incisions but were something
related to stigmata.)

There were other planetary symbols:  Mars was a short distance to the lower
left of the flame, and Neptune was somewhere else I don't remember (a
longer distance to the upper left, maybe.)  There could've been more; I
still haven't been able to make out much of the diagram.  I wonder if any
insights could be realized by plotting these symbols and comparing them to
the actual aspects at different times.Of course we don't know if they're
heliocentric, geocentric, or what.  Or it could all be gibberish.

Before I forget, the circle turned out to be neither standing stones nor
candles.  It was trees.  How about "Stairway To Heaven"?  "In my thoughts I
have seen rings of smoke through the trees..."  "And the forests will echo
with laughter..."

> >* The thing inside the "puzzle box" had astrological signs on it, and
> >moon phases.

Some of them were astrological signs.  I could've sworn that the one on the
right side of the circle looked like a paw print, though.  I can't think of
any sign which looks like that.  Maybe another half-hearted (I could've
said another organ...) attempt at realism, like the chess game?

> >he thought that this was yet *another* box, and figured it would open
> >the same way the outer one did.  Does anybody know what this object
> >is?  This is one of the most intriguing things on the show now.  A

I think somewhere in the abduction literature there are references to black
boxes, with the abductees not remembering anything about them except
"you'll know what to do with it when the time comes."  Scary stuff!

> >Well, that's about all I can think of.  Can't wait till next week!

Mixed feelings about next week.  I wonder how badly the plots are going to
get botched in order to finish them off?  And assuming Lynch wants to try
to find another network to carry the show, how is he going to have any
plots left?  (Of course, he could always start up *new* plots, but everyone
seems to be having at least a vague apocalyptic feeling about this whole
Black Lodge/White Lodge thing.What do you do after you discover the
ultimate secret?  Of course, this didn't stop the "One Life To Live" people
from just ending the Eterna plot with no followup.  Argh...)

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kofke@acsu.buffalo.edu (David Kofke) writes:

> > A good candidate for the "boy" of Annie's past is Wheeler.  I 

I thought this myself during hte "Love is hell" scene. I thought, "I 
wonder what Cooper would think if he knew that Wheeler was referring to 
Audrey?" Then it occurred to me that what happened was a complete 
love-interest switch - Cooper got Wheeler's former girlfriend; Wheeler 
got Cooper's former girlfriend wanna-be.

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To correct a misnomer posted: 
The circular symbols found on the box were NOT
phases of the moon, they appeared to be some sort 
an eclipse.  Isn't an eclipse, superstitiously of
course, a symbol of the end of the world?

GIOVIN%HECTOR@ecs.umass.edu (Rocky Giovinazzo) writes:

>> > >From: jak@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu
>> > >Subject: About the cave drawing...
>> > >
>> > > First of all, all the executives at ABC should be taken out and beaten
>> > >soundly. Enough said.
> > Agreed, wholeheartedly.  Has anyone seen the Sat. Night Live
> > skit, "What were you thinking?"  ABC execs. should be their next
> > interviewees.  It might go like this, "So you had one of the most 
> > revolutionary television shows in history-- you moved it to
> > the graveyard Saturday night slot, had several odd and unannounced
> > hiatuses, and when its ratings were lowest, put it up against
> > Cheers, the highest rated show in America for years.  Mr. Iger, what were 
> > you thinking?"
> > 
> > Rocky Giovinazzo


Heh. I just downloaded this message - I'm planning on printing it and 
sending it to BOB Iger...
 
Um, I know I'm gonna get rapped in the mouth for this, but I need Iger's 
address again... (ducking)

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Sticking to my theory that BOB is currently being hosted in Truman:

I alos think that BOB is an agent for the Black Lodge, and is the guy we 
keep seeing in the hood. Perhaps he is alos the head honcho of the Black 
Lodge. So: It is set up that Earle has backed himself into a corner, and 
Cooper has his choice about ways to kill him. Owls are in every 
surrounding tree. It happens that the resulting Cooper/Earle battle is 
taking place by the waterfall, where Earle had discovered the entryway to 
the Black Lodge. Cooper has his gun trained on Earle, and is about to 
pull the trigger. An owl hoots - and Truman flashes into BOB, to the 
surprise of both Cooper and Earle. Cooper, distracted, turns around and 
points his gun at BOB. Earle takes this opportunity to send a nice bullet 
through Cooper's back - and he falls to the ground, not quite dead. BOB 
runs over to Cooper, and begins to finish the job, traincar-style, with 
owls beginning to change into humanoid forms. One owl turns into Josie. 
As BOB is about to deal the final blow to Cooper, MIKE appears, demanding 
a final battle. BOB pushes Cooper away, and runs toward MIKE>a. ]MIKE is 
ready with a needle filled with the medicine that keeps himself out of 
Gerard's body, and sidesteps as BOB comes toward him, jamming the needle 
into his arm. BOB screams in pain and in anger, and slowly disappears. 
The owl-humans (dare I call them were-owls?) quickly turn back into owls 
and fly off, screeching.

Ummm... that's all I can think of...

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I missed the last show, but if the symbol was something like

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Then that might be Jupiter, ( I don't really recall) but it does remind
me of one of the planets.  If someone there has studied Astronomy, or
roman history that might help.

I know it's not earth, Mars or Venus, nor is it pluto or Neptune.  Now
if we assume that it is Jupiter, The king of the gods, what then?

J-L P

In article <1991Apr11.225018.28325@odin.corp.sgi.com> lara@yorgi.csd.sgi.com (Lara Allen) writes:
> >I was under the impression that Coop had never seen Bob before...
> >  only the giant and the dancing dwarf
> >
> >so, why is it that Coop instantly knew it was Bob holding Josie?

Coop saw BOB in his dream in the first season and
also from the sketch made by Andy from the memory
of Mrs. Palmer (whom we have not seen for awhile)
which they posted all over town.

-Matt
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According to an article in Saturday's paper (4/13), the episode to
be aired on Thursday, 4/18, will be the last regular show.  It has
already been finished and will not be altered to fit the new
circumstances.  The remaining two episodes will be shown back to back
on JUNE 10 (!) as an ABC Monday Night Movie.  The show's future has
not yet been decided, but will be evident by the end of May, when
shows for ABC's fall lineup will be announced.

Brian Wood

Hi,
At the end of the 4/11 episode, we see the hooded figure
appear over a shot of the 1/2 moon.  This half moon corresponds to 
the gemini symbol on Catherine's "gift" from Eckhardt-- (yet another
reference to "twins").  I wonder how these moon phases correspond
with the progression of the show?
Something I noticed about the 4/4 show was this:  In the
scene where Harry's sitting drunk in front of the record player
(i.e. one of BOB/Leland's favorite things), Coop tells Harry
that although he's lost Josie, his life still belongs to him.
When Laura died, James said that his life didn't any longer
belong to him, but that his life belonged to Laura.  Geez,
when does your life belong to you and when does it belong
to your dead love?
I realize that it's too late to bother discussing this
due to the demise of the show, but it seems like the something
that's "missing" from the show, the something that may have kept
so many viewers continuing to watch the show last year, is not just the 
feeling of "dread" (as mentioned in earlier posts), but also the fear of 
a real killer on the loose and the lack of strong emotional response by 
the people of Twin Peaks to death that we saw when Laura died.  I
personally am more than satisfied by every episode but many people may
have just tuned out because of this problem.  We haven't seen 
the town "torn apart," nor Andy cry for a while, nor the closing of things 
like the mill or high school when Maddy, Josie, Harold, Jean, Jefferey
Marsh, Malcom, Eckhardt, Jonathan, or Eric Powell died.  It's as 
if murder has become commonplace and no longer bothers anyone.  Of course, 
none of those people mentioned were Twin Peaks natives, but Josie and Harold 
at least lived in Twin Peaks for quite some time and Maddy seemed to 
have grown close to the community.
On the first note, yes, I realize that Windham is loose, 
but the problem is that no one seems to care much.  We haven't
heard about any late night curfews anymore.  The townspeople haven't
gathered together and people are no longer behaving with fear in their hearts. 
If Cooper gathered people together when Laura was killed to discuss 
the possibility of a serial killer on the loose, then he certainly 
should have told them about Windom in a similar meeting.  Killing by 
means of a parallel chess game is pretty "serial" if you ask me.  
Windom hasn't seemed to kill any characters we KNOW yet-- the closest 
we came to fearing Windom was the great scene where WE visited Donna alone
in her living room (I thought she might be killed at any moment).
Maybe it's because we can "see" what Windom is doing and thinking
quite a lot in the show.  When WKLP was the question, the murderer could
only be represented by our imaginations.  Now it's almost as if we
are being given the chance to understand the murderer's motives.
At this point, all we can seem to hope for is a possible resolution
in the 2-hour episode to questions like, what happened to Josie? 
How are the hooded figure, WE, BOB, LMFAP, the Giant, Owl Cave, and other
oddities related?  What's "under" Twin Peaks?  Why did James tell us that it 
made "some kind of terrible sense" that Laura died? and Who's the cream 
corn kid?

Rocky Giovinazzo

This is an attempt to identify the important things that a really sexy
Grand Unified Theory of Twin Peaks would have to address (not only
address, but hopefully tie together in an elegant fashion).  At the
moment I'm offering no answers, only a possible set of things to be
answered.  A path is formed by laying one stone at a time...

The questions raised here are in no particular order.

Who is BOB?
Who is the Giant?
Who is MIKE (and where is he)?
What happened to Josie, including her missing body weight?
What did BOB have to do with Josie's death?
If Josie's spirit is still around, then are the spirits of other
recently deceased people (esp. Laura) still around?
What are the owls?
Why did BOB start appearing to Laura?  Was he always (ever?) in Leland
during those visits?
Why did BOB kill Laura?  (I don't buy what BOB told us in 2009.)
Why did BOB kill Theresa Banks?
What happened forty years ago?  Is there a link between "forty years
ago" and the music that Leland/BOB danced to?
What is the significance of wood?
Why did Cooper dream about Tibet?
What does the LMFAP signify?  (Cooper wasn't entirely on the mark when
he drew the easy parallel between Leland and LMFAP.)
What does Twin Peaks have to do with Project Blue Book?
What is the effect of Halperidol?
Why was Josie sad at the beginning of episode 1000?
Beside the fact that it just happened to precede her death, what did
the events at Jacques' cabin have to do with BOB killing
Laura?  (Cooper's dream led the way to the cabin; it had
to have more significance.)
How did Ronette's IV turn blue?  How and why did she wind up with
a fingernail letter?
Why was BOB spelling ROBERT (in an apparently random order)?
Laura's clinical cause of death was blood loss.  She survived the
Waldo attack to meet BOB at the train car.  Did something
besides his pounding kill her?
Laura had come to some sort of decision before she died.  What had
she resolved?  To confront BOB?  To sacrifice herself?
Whatever she decided, did she succeed or fail?
What does BOB have to do with what happened in Pittsburgh?
What is the connection between Laura and Cooper?  She dreamed about
him; does this mean the connection is stronger somehow than
simply, "he's the investigator of her murder"?
Who and what is Harold Smith?
Who and what are the Tremonds?
Was there something supernatural about the shadowed figure in the
woods with Leo, and if so, did Leo know about it?
The hooded figure from 2019:  related to the figure in the woods with
Leo?  How about the figure that appeared when Briggs vanished?
What is the nature of Lana's power over men?
What is the full meaning of MIKE's poem?
What is it about Twin Peaks that things like a high-school
prostitution ring can exist?  Is it just the normal underbelly
of rural America, or is there some evil that permeates the
whole town, a la "It" or "The Tommyknockers"?
What ritual occurred in the traincar?
What is the significance of the "Ghostwood" project?  What "possessed"
(ha-ha) Ben to call it Ghostwood?
Who attacked Dr. Jacoby by the gazebo (Leland, right?) and why
(jollies?  I don't think so...)?
What's special about Cooper, Briggs, and Margaret, vis a vis their
ability to commune with the supernatural?
What, exactly, is the charter of the Bookhouse Boys (something about
protecting Twin Peaks from the evil in the woods...)?
What event precipitated its formation; when, and by whom?
Why do BOB and the Giant not resemble their hosts, but MIKE is only
ever seen in Philip Gerard?
Cooper asks the Giant, "Where do you come from?" and the Giant
responds, "The question is, where have you gone?"  Does
this imply that Cooper himself is transported elsewhere
during his visions (as opposed to his visions coming to him).
What was the white horse in Sarah's vision?
Why did Donna want Laura's sunglasses?  What explains the change in
her personality between 1007 and 2001?
What is Benjamin's role in the evil that permeates Twin Peaks?
Why is BOB accompanied by the smell of scorched engine oil?
Is there any meaning behind Harriet's poem (I saw Laura glowing...)?
After the Giant vanishes for the second time, a bright bit of SFX
flashes into Cooper's body.  What about it?
Ronette recalls Laura's murder in the traincar.  She sees BOB in
the recollection, not Leland.  Why, and how?
Cooper tells Albert "You'd be amazed at the connection between [Twin
Peaks and Tibet]".  What did he mean?
Where is Pearl Lakes in relation to Twin Peaks, and how does it tie
in to the mystery?



I've got to knock off for now, but please add to this list if you can
think of anything.



Meanwhile, I have a notion that ties together a couple of things.
Cooper and Caroline Earle were in love in Pittsburgh; Caroline was
murdered by BOB.  Some time later, Caroline's disembodied spirit
entered Laura Palmer and acted subliminally to lend Laura strength to
face her problems.  It was around this time that she quit One-Eyed
Jack's, started dating James, and quit coke.  Caroline's spirit
enabled her to understand BOB (because Caroline had previous
experience with him?)  and gave her the courage to confront BOB.
Caroline (in Laura) has the red-curtain dream because of her affinity
to Cooper.  BOB identifies Caroline's spirit in Laura and kills Laura
to get rid of Caroline (again).  Caroline's spirit will (has?) finally
find (found?) Cooper again via Annie.



More to come from the mind of Bobg.



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Lenny von Dohlen(sp), the actor
who played Harold Smith, played
a scientist in the lastest episode
of The Flash (4-13).

These TP crossovers are getting tiresome :-)

-Matt
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In article <Apr.13.09.42.56.1991.26319@athos.rutgers.edu> trudel@athos.rutgers.edu (Jonathan) writes:
> >
> >It seems obvious to me.  Ben is responsible for Mrs. Hayward's
> >"condition", and his recent change of heart explains why he's seeing
> >her - to apologize.

Ok, here's a scenario...

Ben and Mrs. Hayward(what *is* her 1st name?) are lovers....
Mrs. Hayward gets pregnant w/ Donna...
Ben has an affair or gets drunk and hurts Mrs. Hayward or the baby, etc.
Mrs. H. tell Ben to keep away forever...
Mrs. H. (newly injured) meets Mr. H. in therapy...
The rest is history
Ben now wants to make up (as part of being good).

But, Ben has yet to "tell the hradest truth".

-Matt
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In article <wc1q6cC00aw3AKRoAB@andrew.cmu.edu> jp4t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jean-Luc H. Park) writes:
> >I missed the last show, but if the symbol was something like
> >
> >             \    |
> >             /    |
> >            --------
> >    |
> >    |

Yes, the symbol IS that of Jupiter. I also remember seeing Mars.

-Matt
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> >From: lara@yorgi.csd.sgi.com (Lara Allen)
> >Subject: another trivial observation
> >
> >I was under the impression that Coop had never seen Bob before...
> >  only the giant and the dancing dwarf
> >so, why is it that Coop instantly knew it was Bob holding Josie?

Coop saw BOB in his dream-- the first one with Mike, 
the LMFAP, and the woman who looked "almost exactly like Laura
Palmer."

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <4355@ryn.mro4.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
> >In article <1991Apr11.223718.20868@wam.umd.edu>, leong@wam.umd.edu (Leong Heng Cheong) writes...
> >
> >} According to ABC, "Twin Peaks" will go on hiatus again after April 18
> >} episode.  The final two episodes will be combined into a two-hour
> >} ABC Monday Night Movie for airing June 10.
> >
> >Doesn't surprise me. When TP was first put on hiatus, it was said that
> >the last two episodes for the season hadn't been filmed at that point.
> >I suspect that they're restructuring the scripts to wrap everything up.

How about "it's doing SO badly in the ratings that we dont want to lose
that badly in the May sweeps"??

Fourth place!

--Ken