Fire Walk with Me — August 28, 1992–December 31, 1992

joelfire@leland.Stanford.EDU ( Firehammer) writes:

> > I'm new to this group, so don't chastise me if this has already been
> > discussed, but what's the deal with the new ending tacked on to the TP
> > pilot video?  I feel a bit betrayed by the attempt to make it a complete
> > movie by adding ten minutes of tidying-up.  Also, were some of the scenes
> > switched around in the first half-hour or so?  I seem to remember the scene
> > w/ Grace Z. crying to be a bit later, and much longer.
> > -joel
> > 

That ending is not new! It is older then the ending on the TV show! The 
piolet plus that ending and a little more added here and there was reliesed 
in the UK as a film.

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In article <1992Aug27.180339.7177@ac.dal.ca> 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
> >In article <i296PB3w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, tbuzzeo@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Tom Buzzeo) writes:
>> >> I got the soundtrack yesterday night (finaly)... and I must say...
>> >> It is definatly good.. though I thinks it could use without "Black Dog 
>> >> Runs At Night". Fortuneatly, that's the shortest track on it :)
>> >> It doesn't matter that some of the stuff doesn't sound "Peakish". It's 
>> >> not supposed to... we are dealing with worlds other than our own here 
>> >> now...
> >
> >Myself, I bought it for _The Sycamore Trees_. Ghod I love that song... so slow
> >and sad and more than a little erotic... seductive... AMAZING! Let's face it,
> >if Lynch decides to give up filmmaking, he could make big money as a songwriter
> >
> >The liner sayd David playes "percussion" on 2 songs. Since there is also credit
> >given for the drums, my bet it that's him on the moraccas (sp?).
> >
> >Any other guesses?

That's what I figured, too. Lynch on the moraccas...that's a funny sight I bet.

I liked "The Black Dog..." though. It adds some variety to the album.

BTW, who is "Thought Gang?" Is that the name that Lynch and Badalamenti et al
chose for themselves? When did they first use that name?

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David C. Stewart writes:
> >
> >I have noticed that news stories about "Fire Walk With Me" have
> >been pronouncing it like:
> >
> >"Firewalk with me"
> >
> >rather than
> >
> >"Fire, walk with me".

I've heard this several time on local movie reviews.  Maybe the press kit
for FWWM has something to do with it--anybody have one?

--
James Hague   
exuhag@exu.ericsson.se

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There was a hilarious interview with Kyle M. and David L. on *Good
Morning America* this morning. The interview was in a restaurant that
the newsperson said is one of Lynch's favorites. On the table were,
natrually, coffee and cherry pie.

The gal doing the interview was clearly captivated by Lynch, or at least
his reputation for eccentricity. First she remarked about the omnipresence
of coffee and pie in his works.  Lynch said very gravely, "In the northwest,
where I grew up, coffee was very important. Pie was very important. My aunt
would take me to the (soda shop? - something like that) and we would have
pie. She would have coffee. It was just what people did."

The interviewer gushed about Lynch's strange reputation. She said someone
told her he's so weird he doesn't even have a refrigerator in his house.
He doesn't even have a kitchen.

Lynch: I have a refrigerator.
Kyle: I can vouch for that, he has a refrigerator.
Lynch: I have a kitchen. But I don't cook. It's the odor. And the film on
the wall.

Kyle cracked up at that point, so I assume LYnche was putting on the
interviewer. Undefeated, she then remarked on the closeness of their
relationship. She said, It's that kind of relationship where one person
starts a sentence and the other person finishes it.

Lynch: Yes, that's what we..... (turned to Kyle. Waited)
Kyle : (finally picked up) .... do.

It was extremely droll.


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z_woodsjl@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:

> >All I wanted to know was, "How did Audrey Horne die?"

In the last episode, she chained herself to the vault door of the
Twin Peaks Savings and Loan as a form of civil disobedience to
protest the S&L's involvement in the Ghostwood project.  Andrew
Packard and Pete Martell then came to open the safety deposit
box matching the key left by Thomas Eckhardt.  The box contained
a bomb which exploded.  Audrey, Pete, and Andrew are presumed
dead (the explosion blew out the windows of the building and
we saw the banker's glasses and dollar bills floating in the air),
but me may never know for sure.

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01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:

> >Does anyone out there at what address I can reach David Lynch? I have done a 
> >sketch of him I would like him to have as a "Thank you" for TP, but I don't
> >know where to send it. Any information would be appreciated.

Don't have the address, but the phone number for Lynch/Frost Productions
is (213) 957-9013.

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In article <1992Aug25.213915.13706@intacc.uucp>, zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) writes:
> > 
>> > >In article <1992Aug19.171659.9286@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:
>> > >
>> > >}} A local video store (in Ottawa Canada) had a TP boxed set with ONE
>> > >}} episode per tape ! I opened up one and sure enough the tape length
>> > >}} is 48 minutes ! Who was the idiot who dreamed this up ??!!  Has
>> > >}} anyone seen this in the US since I'm sure its made in the US.
> > 
> > That's the only way I've seen the tapes (1 episode per cassette).  It's
> > such a stupid waste of materials.  

What we obviously have here is two people who will never get into anime.
Some of the companies that subtitle/dub these into English get up to $50
for a 25-MINUTE feature.

Ob.TP: How will I be able to smuggle a cherry pie into the theater tonight?

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In article <1992Aug14.134931.5751@riacs.edu> howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (John Howells) writes:
> >v081q3sw@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (John K Mrozik) writes:
> >
> >
> ><Lynch was, in fact, nominated for 'best director' for his work
> ><on "THE ELEPHANT MAN".
> ><psycho
> >
> >*AND* for _Blue Velvet_ - the only nomination for that film.

I'm not sure that Lynch was nominated as best director for _The Elephant
Man_.  He was nominated for Best Screenplay - based on Another Medium, for
that movie.

_Blue Velvet_ is the only film I know of where he was nominated as a
director.
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People:

    I'm posting this in spite of the fact that it's the
28th, in answer to the post I'm responding to.  (I don't
know how to do the direct-quoting thing.)

    You were asking whether the movie will be too intense
for someone not already a Lynch fan.  Well, based on a
Good Morning America interview I saw today with Lynch &
Kyle, I'd say. . . YES.  The interviewer--I don't know her
or any of those people--began a question like this:

     "Now, there's a lot of sex in this this movie.
   There's a lot of violence as well.  There's a lot
   of *sexual* violence in this movie. . . do you
   expect to take some heat for this?"

    Lynch brushed it off with a joke, but I went <gulp>.
I've seen Blue Velvet and Wild at Heart, but my girlfriend
hasn't.  I don't know if it'll be much of a "date" movie
for people who don't know what to expect.  Well, we'll
see tonight.

    Whatever it's like, it's going to be wild--I have no
doubts about that.

                           --- dsf105 @ psuvm.psu.edu

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Subject: Re: Just saw FWWM (possible *SPOILERS*)
From: Michael Kandall, kandall@nsg.sgi.com
Date: 27 Aug 92 01:53:02 GMT
In article <KANDALL.92Aug26205302@globalize.nsg.sgi.com> Michael Kandall,
kandall@nsg.sgi.com writes:

[... stuff about the movie ...]

> >I have lot's of questions too, but I will wait for the experts to hack
> >it to bits, shards, shreds and meat by-products next week.  I suspect
> >it won't be pretty, either ...
> >

Here's the only positive comment I've seen so far (the last paragraph of
a positive but not warm review in the Boston Phoenix):

"Don't simply be put off by the cascade of negative reviews. But know
before you go that Fire Walk with Me is like sticking your head down a
tuba. The pictures that reverberate from the mighty blast come from deep
inside somebody's organs. Lynch's, certainly. Who knows, maybe yours,
too."

Anybody heard anything *really* positive?

Mark.

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In article <1992Aug28.094707.1@cubldr.colorado.edu>, crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
> > Lynch: I have a refrigerator.
> > Kyle: I can vouch for that, he has a refrigerator.
> > Lynch: I have a kitchen. But I don't cook. It's the odor. And the film on
> > the wall.
> > 
> > Kyle cracked up at that point, so I assume LYnche was putting on the
> > interviewer. 

Maybe, and maybe not.  Lynch made the SAME remark to Jay Leno when he 
appeared on the Tonight Show a few months back to plug "On The Air."
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Subject: Re: Just saw FWWM (possible *SPOILERS*)
From: Michael Kandall, kandall@nsg.sgi.com
Date: 27 Aug 92 01:53:02 GMT
In article <KANDALL.92Aug26205302@globalize.nsg.sgi.com> Michael Kandall,
kandall@nsg.sgi.com writes:

[... stuff about the movie ...]

> >I have lot's of questions too, but I will wait for the experts to hack
> >it to bits, shards, shreds and meat by-products next week.  I suspect
> >it won't be pretty, either ...
> >

Here's the only positive comment I've seen so far (the last paragraph of
a positive but not warm review in the Boston Phoenix):

"Don't simply be put off by the cascade of negative reviews. But know
before you go that Fire Walk with Me is like sticking your head down a
tuba. The pictures that reverberate from the mighty blast come from deep
inside somebody's organs. Lynch's, certainly. Who knows, maybe yours,
too."

Anybody heard anything *really* positive?

Mark.

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In article <1992Aug28.094707.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
> >There was a hilarious interview with Kyle M. and David L. on *Good
> >Morning America* this morning. The interview was in a restaurant that
> >the newsperson said is one of Lynch's favorites. On the table were,
> >natrually, coffee and cherry pie.
> >

This might be a bad sign.  A good rule of thumb is that the "goodness"
of a movie is inversely proportional to how early those involved are
willing to get up in order to plug it.  If these guys were on GMA,
they had to get out of bed very early... :-)

-Rob

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I saw FWWM today, Friday, at the matinee showing.  These are a few thoughts, 
without really giving away any important/interesting moments.  Semi-spoilers, 
though, if you don't want to have any preconceived notions at all.


                         Very Odd Film.


Had a very different "feel" than the TV show.  Most music was totally
different (mostly mellow jazz).  Mostly all about Laura and Leland Palmer.
It seemed to be "missing" part of the story, like much was edited out.
No major stuff, but some parts of the "supporting" story started and never
finished.  Didn't have much of the "funky oddness" of the TV-show.

The story was basically what we already knew.  A few more details about
Theresa Banks (the first murder, from a year before Laura).  David Bowie
seemed to play a VERY interesting character (time-travelling FBI agent,
give or take), but had absolutely NOTHING to do with the story.  Most
other new characters were a bore.

I really liked Moira Kelly as Donna.  I thought Ray Wise (Leland) was
great.  Bobby was a riot.  Laura's mother screamed a lot.  The ceiling
fan was, of course, a big hit.  No cherry pie, some coffee, no donuts.

The violence wasn't nearly as bad as people were talking about.  If
you've seen any gangster film, you've seen worse.  Its filmed in a way
some people might take it too hard, but its not aweful.  I wonder if anything
has been cut out since it was shown at Cannes.

I won't give away any real details in case you decide to see it.  I was
glad I saw it.  I didn't go out saying "wow, that was incredible!" like
I did when I saw the TV-pilot.  The movie was long (2:20), but although
many scenes were excessively long, I didn't feel the movie dragging.
It is a -totally useless- film for anyone who didn't follow the series
for at least the first several episodes.  There's very little character
development in the film.

..Very Odd


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In article <78466@ut-emx.uucp>, jsnyder@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (J Snyder) writes...
> >In article <1992Aug25.122252.7121@ac.dal.ca> 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
> >|Alright... Music Trivia time.
> >|
> >|Where did you all hear the tune _The Pink Room_ before?
> > 
> >Ummm...Not before this FWWM album...
> > 
> >|Yes that's right! Bobby put it on the jukebox in the very first episode.
> >|Remember... "I'll see you in my dreams, Norma Jennings!"
> >|
> >|"Not if I see you first!"
> >|
> >|Rent the Euroflick if you don'believe me ;-)
> > 
> >Again, ummmm.  I *own* the euroflick, and these two are *not* the
> >same.  You do mean the one that begins with a *boom* *boom* *boom*,
> >followed by a sound roughly akin to a record player starting up again
> >after a power outage, right?
> > 
> >Let's try again.  It's on the Lynch/Badalamenti Industrial
> >Symphony No. 1.  The title is "I'm hurt bad."  And for all those who care
> >about winning trivia pursuit (tm) after all these years, it is written 
> >by both Lynch and Badalamenti, even though there are no lyrics...
> > 
 Does anybody know if this "Symphony" available on CD or what? and is
 it worth buying? (sound Peakish enough? J. Cruise's CD did to me)

 Thanks! 
Dave



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In article <1992Aug21.172509.21769@engage.pko.dec.com>, boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (Two days and a wake-up...) writes...
> >In article <1992Aug21.123841.24857@cs.hw.ac.uk>, neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite) writes...
> > 
> >} Or if you don't get ad's
> > 
> >} Series 1: 1 90 minute pilot and 7 45 minute episodes
> >} Series 2: 1 90 minute opener and 21 45 minute episodes
> > 
> >} All in all 24 Hr's of Peaks (including the pilot) which fits comfortably
> >} on 4 long play E-240 cassettes.

 ^^ Where on earth can you find these? (I dont get the ad's either)  

I NEED them!
 James
elee9xl@jetson.uh.edu


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Ok, I'm hooked.  After watching the premiere and all of the first season
episodes thanks to the local video rental store, I've become a big TP fan.

I'd be eternally grateful to anyone who could lend or rent or sell or tape
(within legal limits, of course) the second season episodes to/for me.  Any
offers?  Reply via email;  I'll make it worth your trouble.

thanks,

tom

tfischer@ncsa.uiuc.edu

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In article <1992Aug28.162718.2323@exu.ericsson.se>, exuhag@exu.ericsson.se (James Hague) writes:
>> > >I have noticed that news stories about "Fire Walk With Me" have
>> > >been pronouncing it like:
>> > >
>> > >"Firewalk with me"
>> > >
>> > >rather than
>> > >
>> > >"Fire, walk with me".
> > 
> > I've heard this several time on local movie reviews.  Maybe the press kit
> > for FWWM has something to do with it--anybody have one?

I've always wondered if it was SIGNIFICANT that there is never a comma
in that phrase when it appears in any "official" material (like in the
script, or in the name of the movie).  Of course, there's no hyphen in
it, either.  I'm paranoid enough to suspect that Lynch is being deliberately
ambiguous about SOMETHING, though I don't know what.
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i want my garmonzobia!
or was it
i want my garmonbozia!
or was it
i want my garbonzomia!
or was it
i want my garzonbomia!

what ever it is, what is it?  are we talking creamed corn here?

sj"Your prejudice won't keep you warm tonight" - m

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postpostpost

-----
Kay Carter -- carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu
          "Sometimes my arms bend back."

Well, just got back from the matinee showing, and since only one other person
has posted about Fire Walk With Me yet, I thought I'd put in my two cents
worth..

MASSIVE SPOILERS TO FOLLOW, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO BREAK THE SCREEN ON THIS
SYSTEM!!!

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I, for one, really enjoyed the film, however, I went into it with the
expectation that Lynch would give very little information about what happened
in the last episode.  I was proven correct.  There was very little reference to
the final story line, although there was enough to be a teaser for an upcoming
movie (?).

I disagree with what Lynch said on the Tonight Show.  I think if you did not
watch the show, PARTICULARLY the second season, you won't get half of it.  All
of the things that I found interesting would be lost if you didn't have proper
preparation.  The (loud and obnoxious) girls behind us kept saying "Does this
movie come with a  directory?" and "What's with her?"  through the entire movie.

However, if you have watched all of it, there really isn't much new here.  We
all know the timeline of the night Laura was killed, and a lot of the situation
leading up to it.  I found it interesting to watch first hand what I had only
imagined second hand previously.  There was some interesting symbology (I liked
the creamed corn reference) that tied in, but no real new info, (except perhaps
that Annie is dead, but that's only a maybe--I think so , but who knows).

Things I found fascinating were:
1.  The Little Man From Another Place's connection with Mike's arm.
        2.  The seeming seductive powers of Laura's clothing  (although my
fiance Doug has an interesting theory about The Evil Sunglasses of Laura
Palmer)
3.  The David Bowie part, although I was told there was more that was
left on the cutting room floor.
4.  More info into Harold Smith's character (the Orchid Guy)
5.  A lot of interesting stuff about Bobby.

Questions I had--Any Ideas?
1.  In the scene where Laura and Bobby are waiting by the mill, I
thought I saw the ring on the ground.  A feww seconds later she says something
to the effect of "I found something"...WAS that the ring?
2.  If "The Man Behind the Mask" is Bob behind the mask of the
posess), What exactly is the meaning of the paper mache mask?
3.  Who is the Shaman from the David Bowie scene?  (I liked him)
4.  Where was the Giant, especially in the formica table top place?
        5.  Did Laura Palmer get to the White Lodge at the end? (I think so,
the angel may have been from more of the traditional heaven, but I think that
the White Lodge is what you make it.  Anyhow, I was glad it all seemed to work
out for her, well, except for being dead and all.)


Well, that's all.
Anxiously awaiting replies and more opinions,

Kay Carter:   carterk@cgsvax.claremont.edu

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I went to a sneak preview of FWWM yesterday at the Towne (Thur 27Aug).  They
had the party people from F/X do their "Agent Cooper's Dream" skit/dance 
before the actual movie.  

The movie got lots of cheers in the first half but wound up with funeral
quiet respect at the end.  No final applause.

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She may or may not have died.  In the final episode of the TV show, she
was chained to the bank vault door when Andrew Packard went in and opened
up his security box, which contained a note from his partner (who had just
died) laughing about the lack of money inside.  Below the note was a bomb
that immediately blows up.  The next scene shows the bank windows explode
outward and one of the character's eyeglasses land across the street.  

The scene indicates that Audrey's probably gone all to pieces about the 
bomb.  

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This posting refers to a scene from the movie, so if you haven't seen 
it you might not wish to read on...

My understanding is that MIKE is some kind of spirit and BOB is his
familiar. MIKE feeds on pain and sorrow, and BOB (who goes out and 
does the dirty work) feeds on fear and brings back subjects and their
misery for MIKE. Alot of this is implied, so correct me if I'm wrong.

My question is, why did MIKE warn Laura about her father in the traffic
scene in the movie? I thought that MIKE wasn't "purified" until after 
Laura's death. And after Laura's murder we see him retrieving "pain and
sorrow" from BOB in the Black Lodge.

-
Bart "Webb" Tilney|   "All of life is a blur 
Email: htilney@vax.clarku.edu|    of Republicans and meat!"

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FWWM was panned in today's _Globe and Mail_ by film critic Jay Scott.
In a review consisting only of four very short paragraphs, Scott said
that FWWM is crammed with "nudity, sadism, torture and misogyny of every
sort, imaginable and not."

He went on: "_Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me_ is a two-hour plus
surrealistic bummer--it makes the audience feel as if it is coming
down from a virulent drug...One of the many ripoffs related to
this disgusting, misanthropic movie is that the audience crashes
without first having flown--it gets the DTs without ever having
had a drink."

Scott finished by giving the film a rating of zero. Notably absent
from his review was any discussion of the acting, dialogue, or plot
of FWWM, or indeed any thoughtful consideration of Lynch's style. 
He simply called it "disgusting" and "misanthropic" and, refusing
to elaborate, left it at that.

I suspect this won't be the last such review of FWWM. Comments?


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Was the symbol on the ring in FWWM the same symbol that was on the wall of
the cave near the end of the series?

* * *

I thought Chris Isaak was EXCELLENT.  What a performance.

* * *

The part where the girl who played Annie Blackburn appeared in Laura's bed
was quite strange but made the whole story seem quite circular.  She
referred to Dale being inside the lodge but being unable to get out --
something which occurred near the end of the series.  It seemed like she
was warning Laura not to take the ring so that the whole series of events
would never occur.  It was like she was warning her from a later point in
time.  Did anyone else think this?

* * *

Can anyone explain the David Bowie part?  It didn't seem to fit in -- the
part about how he was never in the building but showed up behind Cooper in
the surveillance tape.  What did that mean?

* * *

All in all a superbly crafted, typically Lynch-ish film.

* * *

I just heard series co-producer Mark Frost has a new project.  Anyone know
anything about it?


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  Good movie overall.  A little weak at the beginning and the
end, but excellent in the middle.  Did a better job of separating
the dream world from the real world than some of the television
episodes.  Should have ended with the angel appearing over Nicolas Cage.

  The reaction of the audience was interesting.  The
first 45 minutes the audience was giggling and laughing
almost constantly.  Then when the story moved to Twin Peaks, 
and Laura Palmer appeared, there was dead silence for the rest
of the film.

  Hope it does well enough for a sequel!

-- ---------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Stevens stevens@s3mars.scubed.com, stevens@seismo.css.gov

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rpiercey@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes:

> >He went on: "_Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me_ is a two-hour plus
> >surrealistic bummer--it makes the audience feel as if it is coming
> >down from a virulent drug...One of the many ripoffs related to
> >this disgusting, misanthropic movie is that the audience crashes
> >without first having flown--it gets the DTs without ever having
> >had a drink."

> >I suspect this won't be the last such review of FWWM. Comments?

I almost agree with him...but I LIKED it for that.  It had a very dark
and depressing feel to it, but the surrealism kept you up.  We were
talking about murder, incest, rape, and drug abuse...it was supposed to
be depressing.  I think Lynch portrayed that "uncomfortable and burn out
" lifestyle effectively.  The film was like nothing out today (save for
obscure surrealistic art pieces).  I saw it Thursday night and am still
feeling very affected by the piece, the MASTERpiece.  
 
That painting/photo the masked boy gave to Laura was one of the scariest
things I've ever seen.  

I thought it turned out to be just another addition to the TWIN PEAKS
universe, it didn't solve anything really (I didn't expect it to)....it
left us with as many questions as before...and I applaud it for that.
 
I will see it again.
 
...e

--
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In article <1992Aug29.012305.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca>, rpiercey@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes...

} FWWM was panned in today's _Globe and Mail_ by film critic Jay Scott.
} In a review consisting only of four very short paragraphs, Scott said
} that FWWM is crammed with "nudity, sadism, torture and misogyny of every
} sort, imaginable and not."
[...]
} Scott finished by giving the film a rating of zero. Notably absent from
} his review was any discussion of the acting, dialogue, or plot of FWWM,
} or indeed any thoughtful consideration of Lynch's style. He simply
} called it "disgusting" and "misanthropic" and, refusing to elaborate,
} left it at that.

} I suspect this won't be the last such review of FWWM. Comments?

Just one: Many people said essentially the same thing about Greenaway's
THE COOK, THE THIEF, HIS WIFE & HER LOVER.  And they were wrong.

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I just saw Fire Walk With Me, and I have just one question.  Could somebody
tell me WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING IN THE MOVIE?  After sitting through
David Lynch's two hour acid trip I am thoroughly confused.

Laura sleeps with Leland/Bob.  Laura sleeps with Bobby.  Laura sleeps with
everyone in the film.  Cooper has strange dreams.  Leland kills Laura.  I 
already know this from the series.  New characters with no appararent
significance are introduced.  I can't figure out the point of the film (other
than to leave you hanging until the next Twin Peaks movie comes out).

All I know is that the film has none of the humour that I liked in the series
and all of the weird crap that I couldn't stand.  What a waste of five bucks.

Kent Leverich
WKL5819@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU 

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First, a response:
William Kent writes:
> >All I know is that the film has none of the humour that I liked in the series
> >and all of the weird crap that I couldn't stand.  What a waste of five bucks.

If you can't find humor in the entire opening sequence (all the stuff with
Chris Isaak and Kiefer Sutherland), then I'm really sorry for you. True, the
last 2/3 of the movie was dead serious, but the first 1/3 was a riot.

My opinion of FWWM is this: While it was filled with wierd stuff and brought
up more questions than it answered, I enjoyed watching it. I doubt most non-
peaks people will like it, because I don't think it stands well as a movie
(well, not the second section.. the first does fine, I think). 

The first section really was great, with our weird FBI guys and their
brilliant deductive powers, as well as Harry Dean Stanton's trailer park 
(reminds one of Big Tuna, Texas, actually...) :)

What can I say? With its multitude of faults, it's still the best movie
I've seen this summer, considering just how bad most of the big movies this
summer have been. True, Lynch is a nut, but I enjoy watching his weird
ideas on screen, and I enjoy trying to put together the pieces of the puzzle
he's put in front of me. I don't even know if they fit together; chances are,
half the pieces are missing. But it's still fun to speculate about what the
puzzle is, even though I don't have all the pieces.

Rings, little men, more of the Tremonds and creamed corn, and the sheer joy of 
seeing nuts like Leo Johnson again (though the log lady's appearance was
worthless) made this a fun movie to watch. It was disturbing, as it should
be... we're talking about evil, and about incest and drug abuse and all other
sorts of things that ruin people's lives. 

Lynch is a nut, and his movie isn't the greatest at imparting information. But 
compared to other directors who focus on style over clear plotting (Tim
Burton, director of _Batman Returns_, one of the worst movies I've ever 
seen, are you listening?), Lynch is a god. I enjoy watching his work, even
if it's deeply flawed or makes little sense. So sue me.

-jason

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 I picked up the soundtrack a few days ago to Twin Peaks: Fire, Walk With Me!
 Some very good songs on it! My personal favourite is "Sycamore Trees".

  I also saw the movie last night and all I can say is wow! *Really* plays
  with your mind, answers some question but generates a lot more. I smell a
  sequel coming on.
   
   Here are some thoughts/questions about the movie..

    How did Laura and Ronnette know Theresa Banks? I know they possed all posed
    in "Fleshworld", but did Theresa ever work at One Eyed Jack's with Laura
    and Ronnette or was the connection there because of the drug deals?
     
     Also, I assumed the person Theresa was blackmailing was Leland thus why
     he killed her, but how did Theresa know Leland again?
      
      Who lived in the trailer that Agent Chet Desmond found the ring under?
       My guess would be the one armed man?
Also, what is the significange of the ring? Theresa had it, she died,
the one armed man had it, he had his arm removed, the little man had
it, he said he was the arm, Laura had it, she got killed AND wasn't
the ring given to Cooper in a dream in the series and later taken
from him by The Giant? Cooper later gets trapped in the Black Lodge
and is possed by Bob so this ring seems to have trouble surrounding it.
What happened to the trailer and Agent Desmond? Its like they just
disappeared. (If not the one armed man living in the trailer, possibly
the old woman and young child?)
 
 How did Cooper know so much about Laura? Does he have some kind of
 pyschic link with her or was what he knew through dreams?
  
  I found the Bowie part very interesting, if I understood it right, it
  answers some questions about the ending of the second season. They
  said he was missing for so many years.. he was there but wasn't
  really there (trapped between dimensions...time?). ALSO, what I
  mentioned before about time going backwards or slowing down while
  Cooper was in the Black Lodge resembles what happened with Bowie
  and Cooper (when looking into the camera). If you noticed, when
  Bowie's character was walking behind him, and just before, time was
  slowing down. (Dale walks into the room, looks at monitor, nothing.
  Repeats.. Dale in room, could see his hand entering the door..
  repeats...Dale looking at monitor, could see himself walking in door
  ..repeats.. dale looking in monitor, Phillip Jefferies walking
  behind him, Cooper STILL looking in camera even though he is in the
  room looking at the monitor. I think this means that something
  similar happened to Phillip Jefferies like it did with Cooper at
  the end of the second season.. maybe Jefferies is also trapped in
  the Black Lodge where time slows down or is reversed and he found
  an "opening" to get out for a short period of time to warn Gordon
  Cole about Bob etc. and the Lodge. If they expand on it, I can see
  Cooper doing that to get a message to Sheriff Truman or someone.
   
   I assume the man that Bobby killed was the Deputy of Meadow Creek.
   How is he related to the drug deals? (Did he work for Jean Renault?)
   Is there a connection between that and why Theresa Banks got killed?
   Also, why did Laura call the deputy "Mike"?
    
     The picture of the room with the door opened that was given to
     Laura, was that the room "above the convenience store"?

     At the end, I assume Laura was entering the White Lodge? The
     good Cooper was there also. But the question still remains..

      How *IS* Annie? :-) She was full of blood in Laura's dream but
      that doesn't mean she is dead. Hmm..

      Possible things to expand on for a sequel would be what happened
      to Agent Desmond, whats going on with Phillip Jeffries, Is
      Annie ok and how will the good Cooper get out of the Black Lodge
      and what is going on with the bad Cooper out in Twin Peaks?
       

       Thats all for now... :-)


-=*George*=-



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In article <28AUG199217364233@jane.uh.edu>, elee9xl@jane.uh.edu (92H01722) writes...

}} Or if you don't get ad's

}} Series 1: 1 90 minute pilot and 7 45 minute episodes
}} Series 2: 1 90 minute opener and 21 45 minute episodes

}} All in all 24 Hr's of Peaks (including the pilot) which fits comfortably
}} on 4 long play E-240 cassettes.

} ^^ Where on earth can you find these? (I dont get the ad's either)  

} I NEED them!

I think you're confused. First, the person is posting from the UK, which
means they're in PAL format, which you'd need to get converted to be
able to watch. Second, these aren't commercial tapes he "found" that he's
talking about. He's talking about tapes he made of the broadcast on BBC2
(or copies of them). It would be as if you said "All in all 24 hours of
Peaks (including the pilot) which fits comfortably on 4 SLP T-120 cassettes."

-- "She's my radiation baby. She's my teenage fallout girl." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com

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mcohen@vax.clarku.edu writes:

> > I saw FWWM today, Friday, at the matinee showing.  These are a few thoughts, 
> > without really giving away any important/interesting moments.  Semi-spoilers,
> > though, if you don't want to have any preconceived notions at all.
> > 
> > 
> >                          Very Odd Film.
> > 
> > 
> > Had a very different "feel" than the TV show.  Most music was totally
> > different (mostly mellow jazz).  Mostly all about Laura and Leland Palmer.
> > It seemed to be "missing" part of the story, like much was edited out.
> > No major stuff, but some parts of the "supporting" story started and never
> > finished.  Didn't have much of the "funky oddness" of the TV-show.
> > 
> > The story was basically what we already knew.  A few more details about
> > Theresa Banks (the first murder, from a year before Laura).  David Bowie
> > seemed to play a VERY interesting character (time-travelling FBI agent,
> > give or take), but had absolutely NOTHING to do with the story.  Most
> > other new characters were a bore.
> > 
> > I really liked Moira Kelly as Donna.  I thought Ray Wise (Leland) was
> > great.  Bobby was a riot.  Laura's mother screamed a lot.  The ceiling
> > fan was, of course, a big hit.  No cherry pie, some coffee, no donuts.
> > 
> > The violence wasn't nearly as bad as people were talking about.  If
> > you've seen any gangster film, you've seen worse.  Its filmed in a way
> > some people might take it too hard, but its not aweful.  I wonder if anything
> > has been cut out since it was shown at Cannes.
> > 
> > I won't give away any real details in case you decide to see it.  I was
> > glad I saw it.  I didn't go out saying "wow, that was incredible!" like
> > I did when I saw the TV-pilot.  The movie was long (2:20), but although
> > many scenes were excessively long, I didn't feel the movie dragging.
> > It is a -totally useless- film for anyone who didn't follow the series
> > for at least the first several episodes.  There's very little character
> > development in the film.
> > 
> > ..Very Odd
> > 
> > 
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Agreed I think it's mood was much closer to that of Blue Velvit then that of 
Twin Peaks (the TV show).

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tfischer@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Thomas C. Fischer) writes:

> > 
> > Ok, I'm hooked.  After watching the premiere and all of the first season
> > episodes thanks to the local video rental store, I've become a big TP fan.
> > 
> > I'd be eternally grateful to anyone who could lend or rent or sell or tape
> > (within legal limits, of course) the second season episodes to/for me.  Any
> > offers?  Reply via email;  I'll make it worth your trouble.
> > 
> > thanks,
> > 
> > tom
> > 
> > tfischer@ncsa.uiuc.edu

I don't have the second season tapes, but I do have what I think to be a 
good suggestion, don't see the movie untill you see the second season.

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-> f "The Man Behind the Mask" is Bob behind the mask of the
-> posess), What exactly is the meaning of the paper mache mask?
Well the shape of the mans and the way Mrs. Treemont's Grandson was acting 
when he wore it makes him look like an owl. Am I the only one who though of 
that? Did any one else thibk the sound the LMFAP made after saying "I am the 
arm and this is how I sound." was an owl reference?
-> Did Laura Palmer get to the White Lodge at the end? (I think
-> so, the angel may have been from more of the traditional
-> heaven, but I think that the White Lodge is what you make
-> it.  Anyhow, I was glad it all seemed to work out for her,
-> well, except for being dead and all.)
Hawk said (in the TV show) that You go into the black lodge first and face 
your shadow self. If you survive that then you go into the white lodge. 
Humm. I think that Laura's facing of her shadow self was more mediforical 
then physical. Insted of meeting with a doupleganger she desended deeper and 
deeper into the darker sides of her personality (thus confrunting hes shadow 
self), but she did not get taken over by Bob and thus went into the white 
lodge.

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-> Was the symbol on the ring in FWWM the same symbol that was
-> on the wall of the cave near the end of the series?
Yes, it was the symbol on owl cave.
-> The part where the girl who played Annie Blackburn appeared
-> in Laura's bed was quite strange but made the whole story
-> seem quite circular.  She referred to Dale being inside the
-> lodge but being unable to get out -- something which occurred
-> near the end of the series.  It seemed like she was warning
-> Laura not to take the ring so that the whole series of events
-> would never occur.  It was like she was warning her from
-> a later point in time.  Did anyone else think this?
Rembur the therie that time goes backwords or at least works diferently in 
the lodges. Well that is proboly how she could know of events later in the 
series before they supposedly happened.

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This is actually a list of questions I have, but will spoil a few things..

(this is also my first entry into the tp bboard, so bear with me...)


1] Was I the only one disturbed by the painting with the door on it? That
was one of the more horrifying things I have ever seen.  In Laura's dream,
when she walked through it, where was she?  Is this a possible entrance to
either of the Lodges?

2] What happens to Chris Isaak? I was expecting to see him later in the
Black Lodge (assuming that is where they ended up later.. I have trouble
distinguishing between the 2..) but he never showed up again.

3] Did they forget to put in a scene of a letter being shoved under the
girls' fingernails?? I *KNOW* they both had them. (Either that, or my
memory is way-screwed)

4] David Bowie - simply a great scene that was probably cut down to <8
minutes of answering SOME questions from the TV show, but had no real place
in the movie. I want more.

5] I will forever picture Lara Flynn Boyle as Donna.  Moira was too..
innocent looking, whereas I pictured Donna as basically innocent, but not
putting that image up. I think Moira did a good job, but it was a bit too
inconsistent for me..

6] Was the one-armed man the guy driving the truck? Didn't he make the same
sound as the short dancing man (dont know his name) as he approached the
Palmers in their Jag?

7] How did both Chris Isaak and then Coop know which trailer to approach?
And what was the significance of the place being rented by the same guy
twice? (and what was that person's name?)

8] What was the significance of the pages that Leland ripped out of Laura's
diary?

9] When Laura said "Fire Walk With Me", why did she become like the
evil-Laura, or however else you'd like to describe that?  And could someone
refresh me of what became of Harold in the show? Did he kill himself or
just leave?

10] DId Leland ever know he was Bob until his final night on the show? If
not, then I found much of this to have been inconsistent, and Bob should
have done more of the fighting/anger scenes..


Great flick.

---

Jeremy Toeman
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In article <37300@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ww10aac@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Eddie the 'ead) writes:
> >Forgot to mention what looked like another trailer.  Back during Cannes
> >E! ran a special and aired some scenes from what looked like a trailer.
> >It started off with the FWWM theme with shots of Waldo, Laura, James,
> >Bobby, etc., then an screeching starts up that increases in volume as
> >we cut to Mrs. Tremond in the dream in the room beckoning us to come
> >closer.  The screeching stops and The Pink Room starts up with more
> >scenes and that's all they showed.  Just wondering if anyone's seen this
> >one...
> >
> >ed
> >
> >
> >-- 
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> >/   \\\\..::..:::.:::::.:.:.....:::::...::..:...:::::.:.:::::.:....::.../   \\\\

I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but another trailer I've seen
is one of Leland chastising Laura for having dirty fingernails. The
movie's just opened here, so I'll be seeing it within the next
week...



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Not really spoilers ahead, because you won't be able to make sense of
the following until you've seen the movie, but I'll put a red curtain
here just in case...



I think the very last scene is meant to answer the question:

"How's Annie?"

and, as such, it actually provides a really nice ending to the whole series.

Read on if you want me to explain (spoilers ahoy):



Get ready for a LOT of reading between the lines.  :)

I think the final scene takes place after everything else in the movie
and the series -- that is, it'd fit in after Cooper back at the Great
Northern is bashing his head against the mirror and asking, "How's
Annie?"

The angel in the final scene is, I think, Annie.  She said earlier (in
bed with Laura) that the good Dale is trapped in the Black Lodge, so
that means that that's the good Dale in the final scene, along with
the good Laura trapped there.

She was also bloodied in the scene where Laura found her in bed, so
this might mean she'd struggled to escape the Black Lodge, but that
her purity finally saved her.  Cooper didn't make it out because he
wasn't completely pure; after all, he'd been in love with Catherine
Earle, and he'd been maybe dabbling a little too much in mysticism.
Laura in the Black Lodge is obvious -- the scene in the movie where
she leaves James shows that the good Laura still exists deep inside
her, but of course Bob's already got her, without question.

So this means that Bob's won, mostly.  The Cooper in the real world is
now owned by Bob, and he's got the real Cooper and Laura back in the
Black Lodge.  I don't know what's happening with Annie in the real
world -- Truman said "She's okay," but maybe he was only saying this
because he didn't want Cooper to have to deal with news of her death,
or maybe he just didn't know her condition.  I think Annie's real body
will either die soon or become a vegetable (no, not creamed corn ;-).

But Annie managed to escape the Black Lodge, and my guess is that
she'll go to the White Lodge, so even though the whole tale of Twin
Peaks ended like a good Shakespearean plan (with dead bodies all
around), there's still that one glimmer of something having gone
right.  Poetic justice.  :)

What do you think?

     << Brian >>

-- _/_/_/ Brian Kendig Macintosh Jedi Live never to be ashamed _/_/ Starfleet Captain Oracle Employee if anything you do or say _/ Intrepid Adventurer Saturn SL2 Owner is published around the world bskendig@netcom.com Twin Peaks Junkie -- even if what is published Princeton '92! BSE/CS Writer/Actor/Singer is not true.

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In article <Iebumjy00WBME1vCAt@andrew.cmu.edu> Jeremy Matthew Toeman <jt3h+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> >This is actually a list of questions I have, but will spoil a few things..

> >1] Was I the only one disturbed by the painting with the door on it? That
> >was one of the more horrifying things I have ever seen.  In Laura's dream,
> >when she walked through it, where was she?  Is this a possible entrance to
> >either of the Lodges?

I knew the picture was going to do something like that, and, yeah, it
disturbed me too.  A lot.

> >3] Did they forget to put in a scene of a letter being shoved under the
> >girls' fingernails?? I *KNOW* they both had them. (Either that, or my
> >memory is way-screwed)

No, they had it, it just wasn't made much of.

> >6] Was the one-armed man the guy driving the truck? Didn't he make the same
> >sound as the short dancing man (dont know his name) as he approached the
> >Palmers in their Jag?

Yes.  The dancing man said, "I am the arm, and I sound like this."  When I
heard the sound as the One-armed man approached the Palmers' car, I suddenly
realized what that meant:  when the one-armed man cut off his arm, the
dancing man took on a life of his own in that other plane.

> >9] When Laura said "Fire Walk With Me", why did she become like the
> >evil-Laura, or however else you'd like to describe that?  And could someone
> >refresh me of what became of Harold in the show? Did he kill himself or
> >just leave?

Laura was becoming a vessel for BOB.  This was what she was most afraid of.

And, yeah, Harold killed himself in the series.  Hung himself, in fact.

> >10] DId Leland ever know he was Bob until his final night on the show? If
> >not, then I found much of this to have been inconsistent, and Bob should
> >have done more of the fighting/anger scenes..

Yes and no.  Yes he knew, but I got the impression the knowledge was blocked
off.

One last comment on the movie:  if you disregard the supernatural angles,
and just concentrate on Laura, the movie does a good job of showing a young
woman who is losing her mind.  And that was the most frightening aspect of
it.


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This is my first post to the newsgroup - please excuse any breaches of
netiquitte.

I saw FWWM last night.  Definitely gave me the heebie-jeebies (which is,
of course, the scientific term for "distburbed the hell out of me").
If I were writing a formal review, I would strongly recommend that
those who did not follow the series should not see the film.  They
will be confused, bewildered, and not just a little bothered by what
they see.  Of course, I would strongly recommend that Twin Peaks
fans go see the movie ASAP - for exactly the same reasons.

In the Twin Peaks saga, we have now seen the beginning (FWWM) and
the middle (the TV series).  Will we see an end?  I certainly hope
so.  While part of the charm of Twin Peaks is the general confusion
and unanswered mysteries, I would love to see another film (or
films!) that continue the story and answer some of the questions 
that Lynch has posed.  Comments, anyone?

Just as an aside, the one line from film that really disturbed me
(for no apparent reason):  "The black dog runs at night.  The black
dog runs at night."   
 
                              Scott

P.S.  Never, *never* accept a framed photo of an empty room with
      a half-opened door from an old woman and a child in a mask.


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> >This is actually a list of questions I have, but will spoil a few things..

> >
> >1] Was I the only one disturbed by the painting with the door on it? That
> >was one of the more horrifying things I have ever seen.  In Laura's dream,
> >when she walked through it, where was she?  Is this a possible entrance to
> >either of the Lodges?

I'd say yes. It was very disturbing, too. Believe it or not, when Laura looks 
back and sees herself in the picture, the movie theater I was in filled with
gasps. This creeped people out more than just about anything else...

> >2] What happens to Chris Isaak? I was expecting to see him later in the
> >Black Lodge (assuming that is where they ended up later.. I have trouble
> >distinguishing between the 2..) but he never showed up again.

This disappointed me, because I think Isaak/Sutherland were the best thing in
the movie.. true, Isaak was a little stilted, but the pair was still enjoyable.

> >3] Did they forget to put in a scene of a letter being shoved under the
> >girls' fingernails?? I *KNOW* they both had them. (Either that, or my
> >memory is way-screwed)

Laura did; in the movie, they just didn't show it.

> >4] David Bowie - simply a great scene that was probably cut down to <8
> >minutes of answering SOME questions from the TV show, but had no real place
> >in the movie. I want more.

Agreed. It was a fascinating little bit, but as it was, it was just a tease.

> >5] I will forever picture Lara Flynn Boyle as Donna.  Moira was too..
> >innocent looking, whereas I pictured Donna as basically innocent, but not
> >putting that image up. I think Moira did a good job, but it was a bit too
> >inconsistent for me..

This is a question? I liked Moira, actually. The entire idea that Laura was
trying to protect Donna from falling to evil as Laura did. As we know,
Donna did end up making the mistake of wearing Laura's stuff -- the glasses.
And that's when she became a "bad girl," like Laura. (Well, not like Laura,
but kinda "bad" nonetheless.)


> >6] Was the one-armed man the guy driving the truck? Didn't he make the same
> >sound as the short dancing man (dont know his name) as he approached the
> >Palmers in their Jag?

Yes, as has been answered elsewhere.

> >7] How did both Chris Isaak and then Coop know which trailer to approach?
> >And what was the significance of the place being rented by the same guy
> >twice? (and what was that person's name?)

I think they followed a line from a telephone pole over to the trailer.
And I think the significance of the name was that the person who rented
the space (Mrs. Tremond and her grandson, the Creamed Corn Kid) just used
the old name. In other words, it was just a fake name, because it was really
Mrs. Tremond.

> >10] DId Leland ever know he was Bob until his final night on the show? If
> >not, then I found much of this to have been inconsistent, and Bob should
> >have done more of the fighting/anger scenes..

Leland was totally controlled by Bob. Leland, the REAL Leland, didn't know what
he had done until Bob fled his body right before he died. That's when Ray
Wise gave perhaps his most chilling line (even moreso than "Missoula,
Montana"..): "I killed Laura!" A line said not with the anger of admission,
but with the pain of suddenly realizing what BOB had made him to.

> >
> >Great flick.

Flawed-- VERY flawed. But fun nonetheless. Just as TP is a fascinating
television show, but flawed -- VERY flawed.
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In article <17ok7sINNj90@agate.berkeley.edu>, jsnell@ocf.berkeley.edu (Jason Snell) writes...
> >
>> >>
> >I think they followed a line from a telephone pole over to the trailer.
> >And I think the significance of the name was that the person who rented
> >the space (Mrs. Tremond and her grandson, the Creamed Corn Kid) just used
> >the old name. In other words, it was just a fake name, because it was really
> >Mrs. Tremond.
   But Mrs Tremond wasn't the name of the Dream Old Lady and Dream 
Pierre. You'll recall they were inhabiting the house of the REAL
Mrs. Tremond; the woman who looked like a tourist in 1960's Hawaii.
As such, maybe the Dream Old Lady and Dream Pierre are figures
sent by the White Lodge for "Preparation and Cleanup."- to send
clues after the deeds done by the Black Lodge are done, monitoring
the progress before they are done...After all, evil IS always one
step ahead of good in the show...
      BTW, am I the only person who thinks that the Old Crippled 
Woman is the Fat Trout representation of Dream Old Lady? She did
show Desmond the path to the dirt pile and the ring...
                                     George...
"WHO ARE YOU?!?"

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Kay Carter -- CARTERK@cgsvax.claremont.edu

Hello again!!

I've already posted what I thought of the movie, but I wanted to reply
to a few things other people had said.

SPOILERS AHOY

**********************************************************************


The reason the agent knew which trailer to look at was because of the vision
during the scene in Theresa's trailer.  When the Old Crippled Woman came in,
the park owner (and the agent?)  had a vision of the telephone pole with the 
numbers on it (something like 12048 and a large number 6).  To have that view
of the pole, one would have to be looking from the trailer under which the 
ring was found.  Perhaps Cooper, being very sensitive to visions, also saw the 
numbers on the pole.

I didn't think that the angel at the end was Annie.  I was certainly under the
impression that Laura was happy, and went on to the white Lodge, but I just 
thought that the Annie scene really only told you that, in the future, she was
dead (i.e. in the last episode).

As for the guy who said he hated it because FWWM wasn't as funny as the series,
well, I know others who agree.  I know people who watched Twin Peaks for laughs
and because it was "cool".  However, I think you all missed the boat.  Twin 
Peaks is like a huge puzzle, and the great part is, no one knows what the
picture is until you're done.  Even better, the picture is different for
everyone, depending on how you put it together!!

The reviewer missed the point, it's not an acid trip, it's an excercise in 
mental gymnastics.  Perhaps not for the uninitiated.

Well, that's just my opinion.  Any response welcome.

Kay Carter-- CARTERK@cgsvax.claremont.edu

 


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In article <1992Aug29.050621.7706@scubed.com> stevens@scubed.com (Jeff Stevens) writes:
> >
> >  Good movie overall.  A little weak at the beginning and the
> >end, but excellent in the middle.

   I thought it was an excellent movie!!!!!  Best of the year.  One of the best
ever!!!!!  I agree the beginning was a little (and I stress little) weak, but 
necessary to give us some insight into the Theresa Banks situation.  Lynch's
directing was outstanding!!!  And the acting was very good, except for Moira 
Kelly who, although a Lara Flynn Boyle clone, just never gave me the impression
she was really Donna.

  The dream sequences and supernatural effects were incredibly eerie.  When
Laura gets the message from the old woman and the boy that "The man behind
the mask is under the fan". WOW!  Then she goes home to find BOB in her room.
That scared me s**tless.  Then her dream that night, and Annie shows up
telling her "The good Dale is in the lodge".  The whole movie I was in awe. 
   

> >  The reaction of the audience was interesting.  

  Interesting is an understatement.  There were certain scenes in the lodge
and when Leland/BOB is attacking Laura that there was dead silence in the 
theater.  I mean DEAD silence.  No popcorn crunching, no seats rustling,
no whispers, and the theater I was in was full!!!  This was a very powerful 
movie.

   I just have one question (well, only one that I'm really concerned about).
When Bobby killed the drug dealer, Laura kept saying "You killed Mike, You 
killed Mike".  What did she mean?  The spirit MIKE was in the one-armed man,
and it certainly wasn't Bobby's friend Mike.  Anyone who could shed some
light on this one would certainly be appreciated.

> >
> >  Hope it does well enough for a sequel!
> >

   As a general rule, I refuse to see sequels.  However, I am so hooked on
Twin Peaks, I would LOVE to see another movie.  Peaks is Lynch's best work
so far and I want more!!!  From what I can tell about Lynch, though, it 
won't matter how well it does for him to decide to make another or not.  I
mean if he went solely on the basis of TV ratings, this movie would never
have been made.  So I think that if he feels like doing another one, and
he can come up with some good ideas (which we all know he can), he will
make another. 

 
               "Fire, walk with me"
 

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Spoilers


The ring had an image of a "Owl," similar to the one found
in Owl Cave....I thought it was a wedding ring, a bond between
the wearer and "the devil," BOB, and the Black Lodge.


I was confused myself with Bowie, and the dream or whatever it
was which followed. Was it what happened to Bowie while he was
missing--which I believe he had been/was considering both Gordon
and Cooper's expressions--or was it some dream that Coop had had
concerning Bowie? Or a mixture? A what of the dream/vision: the
lumberjacks, and the Tremonds, and the Creamed Corn, ie "sorrow
and pain?"


Sally--Enjoyed the movie more that I expected to--A. Wilson


-- And I'll see you//And you'll see me || Sally A. Wilson And I'll see you in the branches that blow || Spud Peel In the breeze,//I'll see you in the trees || sally@mica.berkeley.edu Under the sycamore trees (_Sycamore_Trees_ Lynch/Badalamenti)

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In article <1992Aug29.050621.7706@scubed.com> stevens@scubed.com (Jeff Stevens) writes:
> >  Good movie overall.  A little weak at the beginning and the
> >end, but excellent in the middle.  Did a better job of separating
> >the dream world from the real world than some of the television
> >episodes.  Should have ended with the angel appearing over Nicolas Cage.
> >
> >  The reaction of the audience was interesting.  The
> >first 45 minutes the audience was giggling and laughing
> >almost constantly.  Then when the story moved to Twin Peaks, 
> >and Laura Palmer appeared, there was dead silence for the rest
> >of the film.
> >
> >  Hope it does well enough for a sequel!
> >
> >-- 
> >----------------------------------------------------------
> >Jeff Stevensstevens@s3mars.scubed.com, stevens@seismo.css.gov


Where I saw it the same thing happened. I found it to be much
darker, intense than the series. Yet, I did not find the sex,
or the violence to be as intense as Blue Velvet, let alone
Wild at Heart. I think the series with all those little silly
subplots cut the intensity of the horror of the show, and with
it missing for the most part in the film it made the film more
intense--and of course there were no comericals to make breaks 
in the action. Though I think that afterall not having the
more comic aspects of the show fit in with the movie's theme,
"Laura Palmer's decent into Hell--and final ascent into Heaven."

I think there is so much which still can be done. And let's hope
that we will see more. I would love to see more of the Lodges.

Sally A. Wilson


-- And I'll see you//And you'll see me || Sally A. Wilson And I'll see you in the branches that blow || Spud Peel In the breeze,//I'll see you in the trees || sally@mica.berkeley.edu Under the sycamore trees (_Sycamore_Trees_ Lynch/Badalamenti)

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minor spoiler for tp:fwwm


okay what is symbolic of that dog....seemed to be similar to
"familiars" of devils, etc. a hound from hell, from which
is born the anti-christ. so, is it like the owls, another
form of the black lodge creatures?


sally---yes that picture had to be the best, and most freaky part of
the movie--a. wilson


-- And I'll see you//And you'll see me || Sally A. Wilson And I'll see you in the branches that blow || Spud Peel In the breeze,//I'll see you in the trees || sally@mica.berkeley.edu Under the sycamore trees (_Sycamore_Trees_ Lynch/Badalamenti)

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SPOILERS AHEAD.....
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My significant other disliked the movie because she had an image in her
mind of what Laura's life was like, and the Laura portrayed in the movie
didn't match.  I didn't feel this way, but I was wondering if anyone else
did. ?

As to the issue of Leland's awareness of what Bob was making him do, I
think he knew... when he was doing it. At other times Bob didn't let him
remember.  Or perhaps his own mind blocked it out, like many abuse victims.
My evidence for saying this is Leland screaming (before killing Laura),
"DON'T MAKE ME DO THIS]"  That for me was very very sad.  When Leland died,
Bob said that he was going to let Leland realize/remember what he had done.
The memories then came flooding back.

Just my $0.02... and BTW, I reallllly liked the movie. I need to see it
again before I make any more comments.

-MDJ aka jack

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schultz@unixg.ubc.ca (Stewart Schultz) writes:

>> >>Also the hyped-about Laura-killing scene
>> >>seemed to me less violent (or on about the same level) as Maddy's killing.

> >This was a big disappointment to me....this was the climax of the
> >movie, the whole reason for the series, etc., and it's such a cop-out
> >I can't even recall the details of the scene.

Neither can I, because there were little or none. The whole
murder-sequence is awfully and very badly cut. Like you see Waldo's
cage, and know, that he will be let free... next thing (about) you see
is Jaques leaving...
...then in the train car, you see _almost_ the same sequences, that were
allready shown in the series. And thats that then. 
Not only was _most_ of the murder sequence cut, but also it was cut
very badly.

>> >>Storyline: The death of Teresa Banks: gives a few new insights and 
>> >>question marks. Has potential for further development along the
>> >>"owls" line. Is a bit lost in the movie though. I very much like
>> >>Kiefer Sutherlands part in it though.  Lynch could have elaborated
>> >>on that first part of the movie and made it into another 2hr movie.

> >Easily!  Although Chris Isaak's acting is a bit flat and unconvincing.  Keifer 
> >Sutherland's role I think was the most pleasant surprise of the movie, and I 
> >would have loved to see this part extended another half hour.  The interplay 
> >between Sutherland and Isaak was hilarious.  And of course, the BIG 
> >QUESTION:  What happened to Isaak??  Maybe another sequel is in order...I 
> >think it would have great potential.

It's not only another sequel... a whole new series along the Teresa Banks
line ;-) I'd love that !


>> >>(As other ppl. allready sad: Bowie just turns up, so that they can
>> >>put him on the list of actors. Talks a bit about the "convenience store"
>> >>and that he visited "them" there). But this TB part has some very
>> >>Lynchian pictures to it. 

> >The video monitor scene was great!  As well as something that you would 
> >have completely missed in Germany:  Bowie had a southern accent!!!  
> >Absolutely flawless....you couldn't have guessed he's a Brit.  Just one
> >of those hilarious Lynchian surprises.

Agreed. The monitor scene was good stuff. As for the southern accent:
no one ever has any accent in german dubbed movies (can u imagine Jaques 
Renault talking flawlessly german ?? I hate these things !). Well - I'll just
have to wait, until FWWM sees its release on Laserdisk and then try to get
hold of it, I suppose ....


>> >>The last sven days of LP: Great ! I love it. Now we get to see the _real_

> >Pretty one-dimensional and predictable, however.  Snorting coke, drinking, 
> >recreational sex was extremely well done in terms of cinematography and 
> >mood, but it didn't really say anything about Laura we didn't already 
> >know....it would have been nice to see some real conflict.  Her reactions to 
> >Leland/Bob seemed overdone and not convincing to me....Leland was just not 
> >disturbing in the least (but maybe that's because I had just met Ray Wise 
> >the afternoon I saw the movie, at the TP festival in Snoqualmie :-) 
> >But I will say I was impressed with her acting overall.

I guess you're right that it didn't say anything about LP, we didn't _know_.
But it made me _feel_ it more.

Another thing, I forgot in my org. posting: I found the way the Palmer family
was portrait in FWWM quite irritating, in that it was in my opinion
in a very different ..hm.. mood (?) than in TP. OK, in TP you get the feeling 
that Sarah and Leland are a bit queer and Sarah is hysterical and so on,
but I felt that the open agressivness between Leland and Sarah as 
shown in FWWM didn't fit in the picture painted by the series.

(I could be wrong here, though, 'cause it could be an artifact of the german
dubbing. Whilst I saw TP in the org. version, I'll still have to wait
a while for FWWM).

>> >>In FWWM you get to see more of the TP town (roads, neighbourhoods
>> >>and such). Now _that_ was weird to me.

> >I'll tell you what's really weird -- that's seeing the movie while the cast is 
> >sitting directly in front of you a couple rows, then walking out the theater 
> >into the moonlit streets of the -real- TP, the cast following you.  
> >Then next day tooling around Snoqualmie and seeing the real trailer park, 
> >high school, diner etc.  The feel of Snoqualmie/North Bend is exactly as 
> >in the movie...it's eerie to say the least.

I envy you !!

> >I am a bit disappointed with the movie, however.  Overall it seemed rushed 
> >and cursory.  There's so much that could have been explored, in nightmarish 
> >detail.  But I still think it's better than most of this summer's film crop.

Well. Disappointed ?? Yes and No. Yes, there is much left to be explored.
But, hey, it's only a movie, and only so little time. Not like, say, 24h
worth of stuff, like TP. I feel, Lynch should have concentrated more
on less storylines. Yes, I'm disappointed, because I feel, FWWM is
not a movie in his own right. It's more like trying to fit
the stories of 5 to 7 TP episodes in a 2h movie. Too many facets, 
too little time.

But then again: No, I'm not disappointed. I expected it to be worse, I feared
it to be even more on the money-making side.

I think, FWWM will grow on me. I'll be watching it tonight again.

cu all
Wiljo

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Well, I just got back from the movie. A few observations.

- Everybody on this newsgroup should see this movie. Now. Go. Don't bother
logging off :-). It's exactly what many of us have been hoping for.

- Nobody who is not either on this group or a kindred spirit should see it.
It will make absolutely no sense to anyone who hasn't watched the show and
mulled it over in great detail.

- Remember back when we had the sneaky feeling that Lynch/Frost were reading
this newsgroup and scripting based on what we were saying? Well, this even
looks more like that than the series does. I get the feeling that they kept
an eye on what kept us most interested and talking, and made sure to put it
in the movie. The film was targeted very specifically at the fanatic audience,
and they did their research seeing what fans wanted to be in it. Even more than
the show, this had the careful feel where Everything Shown Is Significant. We
now have a better feeling, for example, of what the ceiling fan was for: 
Leland/BOB switched it on when going to Laura so that Sarah wouldn't hear what
he was doing.

- The most obvious thing not in the movie? The Black/White Lodge. My guess?
That was not part of the original conception, and, like almost everything
else after episode 2009, was tacked on to extend things. The movie got rid
of the Plotburger Helper and got back in focus. (Actually, I think Annie
mentioned the Lodge. That was a hook to what I think will be another movie,
where they try to reintegrate the show.)

- So what does garmonbozia have to do with it? Is it corn, or is it pain
and sorrow? Or both?

- Sheryl Lee had more range than I expected. She played Laura very differently
than she played Maddy.

- Stuff for the next movie ("Twin Peaks: One Chance Out"?): What's with
Jeffries? Where is Desmond? What about the Dopplegangers? Do we learn more
about the BOB/Mike relationship? And... what about Naomi? :-):-):-)


--
"Go to an extreme and then retreat to a more useful position"  --  Brian Eno
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Has Lynch stated as to if there is more to the story, or has he ended it
with this movie?

Also, I do not think that was Annie as the angel...

---

Jeremy Toeman
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In article <p5h0nq4@fido.asd.sgi.com> sjohnson@faulen.asd.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:
> >i want my garmonzobia!
> >
> >what ever it is, what is it?  are we talking creamed corn here?

I don't know the spelling, but at the end of the movie (near the end)
they repeat the sub-tile again, but with "pain and suffering" in
parenthesis. I took that as being the definition.


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Arr, matey!  Thar be spoilers here!



















Well, quite a nice little film I thought.  Like many people here, i found the
first third of the movie somewhat humorous, and the last two-thirds getting a
bit more intense.  I'm hoping to go see the show again tomorrow night, so don't
think this is the lot of my questions...

First, what does everyone make of the pile of dirt with the ring under the
trailer?  A sacrifice?  An attempt to return the ring to the Lodges?

Second, I found that having had the soundtrack for a week (and listening to
it several times), that I was able to piece it into the movie, such as 'Girl
Talk' and 'The Voice of Love.'  However, I'm *still* trying to figure out
'Black Dog Runs at Night.'  I was just looking at the liner notes to the
TP:FWWM soundtrack and a thought occurred to me.  For the 'Montage from
Twin Peaks,' one of the songs listed is 'Birds in Hell' (I can't recall where
this was played in the movie.  But remember the quote of 'singing birds and
music in the air' (somewhat paraphrased)?  Could this mean the LMFAP is from
Hell then?

Watching Bobby do his little dance had me rolling...

With the rendezvous Teresa set up between Leland and her 'girlfriends' (Laura
and Ronette), I guess we now know that Teresa and Laura did know each other.
Was this established somewhere else?

Everytime I see Julie Cruise, I have to wonder what she's doing in a bar
like that...  ;>

Did anyone else get the impression that Isaak's and Sutherland's characters
were set up to be a bit offbeat, like another Cooper/Albert pair?

And speaking of blue roses, when I got back from the theater last night,
my parents had left the radio in the kitchen on, playing a country song
with the words 'Blue Roses' as part of the chorus.  Very weird...

I think the movie was a bit more intense than the series, but nothing really
grabbed me like the murder of Maddie.  Laura's murder was a bit disturbing,
and having Laura find BOB in her room was quite nice (seeing BOB several
times larger than you from the third row was quite a treat!), but I don't
think they packed the punch of Maddie's murder.

Well, I think that's enough rambling for now.  I'm curious to see how much
traffic this group will see in the next few days...

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Arr, matey!  Thar be spoilers here!



















Kay Carter <carterk@cgsvax.claremont> writes:
> >    2.  If "The Man Behind the Mask" is Bob behind the mask of the
> >posess), What exactly is the meaning of the paper mache mask?

When the younger Tremond (or whatever his name really is) said that line
*with* the mask on, did anyone else get the feeling that somehow Bob and
him were related?

> >    3.  Who is the Shaman from the David Bowie scence? (I liked him)

I'm not sure who you are talking about, since there were two (?) new
characters in that scene, one fellow with the white face and long nose
(similar to the mask) and another guy who just sat and laughed I believe
I have no idea who either of them are, though.

> >        5.  Did Laura Palmer get to the White Lodge at the end? (I think so,
> >the angel may have been from more of the traditional heaven, but I think that
> >the White Lodge is what you make it.  Anyhow, I was glad it all seemed to work
> >out for her, well, except for being dead and all.)

I'm not really sure of the significance of the angel, but I thought it
related back to her line earlier in the movie about all the angels
leaving and not being able to help you.

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Jeremy Matthew Toeman <jt3h+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> >3] Did they forget to put in a scene of a letter being shoved under the
> >girls' fingernails?? I *KNOW* they both had them. (Either that, or my
> >memory is way-screwed)

I don't remember seeing this scene in the movie.  Wouldn't BOB/Leland
had to have put the letters under Ronette and Laura's fingers *before*
Mike gets there?  As Ronette tries to open the door, BOB beats her,
then throws her outside and leaves her there.  Did he come back for the
finger perhaps?

> >5] I will forever picture Lara Flynn Boyle as Donna.  Moira was too..
> >innocent looking, whereas I pictured Donna as basically innocent, but not
> >putting that image up. I think Moira did a good job, but it was a bit to
> >inconsistent for me..

I liked the job that Moira did, but I agree that she seemed a bit too
innocent.  I would really have liked to seen Lara Flynn Boyle do the
part, but ah well...

> >8] What was the significance of the pages that Leland ripped out of Laura;s
> >diary?

If I recall rightly, Laura had written down who she thought BOB was on
those pages, althought this may just have been speculation from way back
when the series was on.

> >10] Did Leland ever know he was Bob until his final night on the show? If
> >not, then I found much of this to have been inconsistent, and Bob should
> >have done more of the fighting/anger scenes..

No, I don't think he did.  BOB blocked all of Leland's memories of what
happened while BOB was inside him.  "Pulling the ripcord" was the term
that BOB used in the show.

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Some comments...













1) Loved the girl in the beginning. The fact she was there did
two things for me: One, I instantly respected Desmond for picking
up on all those clues JUST LIKE THAT! Two, and more importantly,
GORDON KNOWS ABOUT THE LODGE. Blue Rose, remember? Now, why
hasn't he said anything?

2) How many people want to lay money that Jurgen Prochnow is
Mr. Lanterman?

3) The arm sounds like an indian. So does SDC. Thoughts?

4)I checked the back of the CD- with the biggest picture of the
angel. No way that's Annie.

5) Why was so much camera time spent on the picture angel's wings
and the garden behind them? did I miss something?

6) Why was Austin (Pierre Tremond) wearing a mask? I thought the 
mask was a one-time symbol of BOB, yet Austin was wearing the 
mask throughout the film.

7) Is it just me, or was there a new table next to what was 
traditionally Coop's seat in the Waiting Room?

8) Sucking up the Creamed Corn was really a backwards play of
someone spitting it out. Gross.

9) Annie had the blood on her face when she got out of the
Lodge, too. She also had the blood on her face when she was 
playing "Dead Caroline" next to Coop. However, when Windom showed
her to Coop in the "Throne Room" (Or what would have been), she was
fine. Why?

10) How come Leland just walked through the drapes into the 
waiting room, while Dale had to go through a corridor first?

Comments, people?
                                         George...
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Well hot damn, it seems very few people like this movie.  I saw it with my
roommate and we both loved it!!  Enough to see it a second time today.

A few things... spoilers abound of course

The Indian Whooping Noise.  The MFAP says that he is the Arm and sounds
like the Indian whooping noise.  We hear this at least three other times.
Once when the OAM approaches the Palmers in their car (as already mentioned),
another time at the Fat Trout Trailer Park when we see a shot of that
telephone pole, and once more in Leland's flashback when we see a shot of
the TV just before it is smashed.

Someone asked how Teresa knew Leland.   Well she asked Jacques what Laura's
father looks like (Jacques mentions this in the pink room - I don't know
what else to call this place, the script calls it Partyland).

I don't think that was Annie as the angel at the end or they would've gotten
Heather Graham to play it.  A different actresses protrays each of the two
angels.

I thought Moira Kelly did a good job as Donna.  She played her more sweeter
than Lara Flynn Boyle who I never really did like.

What is that music that plays when Laura and James get together?  We hear it
twice, once in the custodian's office and later at their last meeting.
Really nostalgic.  Have I heard it before on the show or Industrial
Symphony #1?

I saw the movie in THX and the music sounded great.  The Pink Room was
absolutely perfect for that scene.

For those of you watching for continuity, the one phone call that rang once
that was determined to have been placed from Ben's office in the series
turns out (in the movie) to come from James.  I don't think he called from
Ben's office.

Waldo pecking at Laura and the "Bite the bullet, baby" were deleted, I wonder
why.

That Jeffries scene sure was trimmed from the shooting script.  I wonder if
this and other scenes will be restored in a director's cut?  If they did,
would they even bother releasing it in the US?

ed


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In article <p5h0nq4@fido.asd.sgi.com> sjohnson@faulen.asd.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:
> >i want my garmonbozia!

that's the ticket.

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No discussion on "on the air?"

dave@csulx.weber.edu (ignore the header address)
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It seems Jack Nance was originally intended to reprise his role,
Pete Martell, but his scenes were removed in the final cut of Fire Walk
With Me.  What did Pete Martell do in the movie before he was removed?



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In the series TP,

   Who is the actress that played Laura's cousin, Maddy?
   Is it the same actress that played Laura?

My SO, is convinced that Maddy was played by the same actess
with her hair dyed black.  I don't remember it that way.

This all came up because I saw that TV commercial for the GAP (the B&W
one with the poetry reading).  I thought the actress modeling jeans
looked remarkably like the Maddy on TP.  Anyone know if it is the same
actress?

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My overall opinion is the TP:FWWM is classic Peaks at its best.  I
think the best thing about Peaks is that each episode/movie raises
some new questions and resolves (sometime partially) some old
question.  That keeps it interesting.

Question/comments on the movie follow (possible spoilers):








Laura had a dream where she was told not to accept the ring hinting
that the ring was evil.  The murder seemed made me think that ring
offered some sort of protection though.  If I made out the murder seen
right, Laura slipped on the ring and then Leiland (Bob) said he now
had to kill her.  Did the ring prevent Bob from entering Laura.  We
know Laura was killed because she wouldn't let Bob enter her.


In the series, I always thought that the steward at the Great Northern
was also the giant.  In the season two finalle, we here the 'one in
the same' line confirming this.  Do you think there is some
relationship between the one-armed man and the midget?  The midget
said he was the arm.

I like actress playing Donna in the movie better.  She portrays
innoscence better.  Donna in the series seemed like more of a bitch.

I like that the movie showed a lot of what went on with Laura even
though most of it was implied in the series.  After watch two seasons
of a series focused on Laura Palmer without ever seeing very much of
Laura, I thought it was good to balence it out.

The bloody Annie in bed told Laura to write in her diary that the good
Dale was stuck in the lodge.  Does anyone know if she every wrote
this?  Some pages were ripped out (probably by Bob?) but this 
happened before.  Could there be some kind of time warp.  Events
from movie and series show pages ripped/advice to write/Dale
captures.  Coudl this all happen in reverse because of some time
loop?








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georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel) writes:

> >       Who lived in the trailer that Agent Chet Desmond found the ring under?
> >        My guess would be the one armed man?
> > Also, what is the significange of the ring? Theresa had it, she died,
> > the one armed man had it, he had his arm removed, the little man had
> > it, he said he was the arm, Laura had it, she got killed AND wasn't
> > the ring given to Cooper in a dream in the series and later taken
> > from him by The Giant? Cooper later gets trapped in the Black Lodge
> > and is possed by Bob so this ring seems to have trouble surrounding it.
> > What happened to the trailer and Agent Desmond? Its like they just
> > disappeared. (If not the one armed man living in the trailer, possibly
> > the old woman and young child?)

I think Desmond may also have been taken to the Red Room. My guess is that
anyone who takes the ring ends up there. Cooper's ring, however, was a
plain gold band which, according to his diary, belonged to his mother.


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v113np2v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (George D Emmons) writes:

> > GORDON KNOWS ABOUT THE LODGE. Blue Rose, remember? Now, why
> > hasn't he said anything?

I can't place a blue rose connection elsewhere in the show. What have I
forgotten? (I know it was a significant thing in The Glass Menagerie,
but I don't they were drawing any connection :-]).
 
> > 3) The arm sounds like an indian. So does SDC. Thoughts?

I connected the sound with the sound of the wind passing Pole #6. But I
don't know what that means.

> > 6) Why was Austin (Pierre Tremond) wearing a mask? I thought the 
> > mask was a one-time symbol of BOB, yet Austin was wearing the 
> > mask throughout the film.

Note that Pierre was >not< Austin this time, but was played by someone else.


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I saw Twin Peaks:Fire Walk With Me grudgingly, just because a friend wanted
to go. I felt David Lynch had gotten carried away with himself lately, as
I didn't like Wild At Heart or the pilot for the second season of TP.
I LOVED THIS FILM.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHY.
I was just speechless after I saw it. I thought I would hate it. But I
was eating it up, every second of it. It was extremely emotional. I felt
as though I knew all the characters, and to see them again, on year
earlier, just blew me away. Especially when the familiar music came back
and you see the girls walking to school.
What struck me the most was the style of photography. I was not as slick
and polished as Wild At Heart or the series. The film was grainy and
the lighting was kind of naturalistic. Like the scenes in the Palmers'
house or when Bobby is using the lay phone. It seemed almost low-budget
at times. Does anyone know if the film stock was unusual for a theatrical
release?
I really appreciated the way Lynch didn't pander to people who hadn't seen
the series. He just stuck to being faithful to his creation. And there were
SO MANY characters from the series in it, even Leo and Shirley. The
ads are stupid because they mention Bowie.
all throughout the film I was saying "This is a stupid movie, but I'm
loving every second." I guess those Japanese are way ahead of us.
I was fascinated with the character of Laura and the emotional high point
was when she broke with James at the very end. The most emotional bit
in any Lynch film.
I once saw Lynch's earliest films, The Grandmother and The Alphabet, and
the scene of Cooper playing with the TV monitors really reminded me of
those. After the film my friend played me a laserdisc of Industrial
Symphony and I hated it.
I guess a reason I liked this film is that it felt personal, that Lynch
is out to please TP fans, that he isn't being Ridley Scott or Oliver Stone,
and to hell with everybody else anyway. It may sound ridiculous but
I can't even remember the last time I enjoyed a film so much as last
night.
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In article <6010@transfer.stratus.com>, kvk@questor.sw.stratus.com (Ken Koellner) writes...
> >In the series TP,
> > 
> >   Who is the actress that played Laura's cousin, Maddy?
> >   Is it the same actress that played Laura?
> > 
    Both were played by Sheryl Lee.

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In article <6011@transfer.stratus.com>, kvk@questor.sw.stratus.com (Ken Koellner) writes...
> > 
> >In the series, I always thought that the steward at the Great Northern
> >was also the giant.  In the season two finalle, we here the 'one in
> >the same' line confirming this.  Do you think there is some
> >relationship between the one-armed man and the midget?  The midget
> >said he was the arm.

    The midget (MFAP) is the arm; that is the relationship.

    One poster suggested that the old woman in the trailer in the movie may
    be the familiar of Mrs. Tremond.  I thought that this was an
    interesting idea that did not occur to me while watching the movie.

> >I like actress playing Donna in the movie better.  She portrays
> >innoscence better.  Donna in the series seemed like more of a bitch.

    I agree.  I never liked LFB as Donna.  Moira is much better.  Does
    anyone what else she has been in?

> >I like that the movie showed a lot of what went on with Laura even
> >though most of it was implied in the series.  After watch two seasons
> >of a series focused on Laura Palmer without ever seeing very much of
> >Laura, I thought it was good to balence it out.

    I don't agree.  the Lynch imagery was just fine in this part of the
    movie, but there was not enough plot advancement for me.  Too little
    new was presented.  And for the audience of those who have never seen
    any of the TV series, the movie was seriously flawed in that too many
    characters were introduced peripherally with little or no development
    and little or no meaning to the plot.  (eg. Shelly, Leo, whats his name
    Smith who kept the diary)  Further, the characters introduced at the
    beginning of the movie (who might have made for an excellent story)
    were cut short so we could see all the drama about Laura.

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Who did Jurgen Prochnow play in the film? This actor was in Dune as
the Duke, and Das Boot.
How old is Sheryl Lee?
When will the second series be out on tapes?
What books are available besides the ACCESS guide, Laura and Cooper's
diaries and...?
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kvk@questor.sw.stratus.com (Ken Koellner) writes:
> >   Who is the actress that played Laura's cousin, Maddy?
> >   Is it the same actress that played Laura?

Both are played by Sheryl Lee.

> >This all came up because I saw that TV commercial for the GAP (the B&W
> >one with the poetry reading).  I thought the actress modeling jeans
> >looked remarkably like the Maddy on TP.  Anyone know if it is the same
> >actress?

That's M\"adchen Amick, aka Shelley Johnson.

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In article <1992Aug29.223238.2393@cs.brown.edu>, ST201643@brownvm.brown.edu () writes:
|>SPOILERS AHEAD.....

|> My significant other disliked the movie because she had an image in her
|> mind of what Laura's life was like, and the Laura portrayed in the movie
|> didn't match.  I didn't feel this way, but I was wondering if anyone else
|> did. ?

Sort of. I was expecting to see more of a struggle between good
and evil in Laura's character. In the series, we were told about
all the good things she did - meals on wheels, helping Johnny
Horne, tutoring Josie. These things made it more shocking to the
town, and to us, when Laura's dark side was revealed. In the movie, 
she had few redeeming qualities. Even when she was with James, it
didn't seem as though she was trying to be good. I think it would 
have helped if we had seen this battle going on inside Laura.

The same is true for me about Leland. In the series, Leland was
a good guy, a very good guy. It was *really* startling the first
time we saw him look in the mirror and see Bob. In the movie,
Leland was portrayed from the start as seriously messed up, which
makes it less shocking when we see that he is Bob (which we knew
already of course, so maybe it doesn't matter).
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These is just my opinions, maybe I haven't read enough here to get the
"official" story straight.  I'd appreciated some feedback though.

1: Reflections (via mirrors) and shadows abound.  My guess is that everyone
   checking into the Lodge forms a "reflection": the shadow-self in the Black
   Lodge.  Stretching things a bit:  The "magician" may have entered into the
   Lodge, split into BOB and Mike; each a shadow of the other.  In Cooper's
   original dream, (1002) Mike mentions seeing the face of God, and looks
   rather priestly.  Could this be a "Christian" (as opposed to demon from mars
   or indian native)  being?  Meaning the "magician" entered after Washington
   was "settled" by the eastern Americans, or sometime in the future.

   The catch is that only the shadow or the real person can *leave* the Lodge.
   I'm willing to bet, though, that the remaining person can act through the
   Lodge. (See #3)

   Most posts seem to have the concensus that everyone shadow is already there,
   just waiting.

2: The "ring" motif.  The ring of fire, the ring that acts like a beacon to
   BOB, and Cooper's ring that the Giant borrows all seem related to the theory
   (posted here by numerous others) our world and the shadow (or Lodge running
   backwards in time) are caught up in a time loop.

   However,  the loop is constantly altering: the past changes the future,
   which affects the past, etc.  And anyone in the Lodge can controll the
   time loop (BOB rolled it back in the 2nd season finale to take WE's soul;
   earlier Cooper's coffee became viscous).

   (A strange question:  how does this looping ripple out into our world?)

3: Possessions are possible through the Lodge, it just takes skill and timing.
   BOB is extremely skilled (by way of experience?), but Windom Earle had the
   benefit of the Astrological (planetary) conjunction.

   I've noticed that all of the spirits act on objects and people through a
   person.  The exceptions being that they can project an image (BOB to his
   victims, the Giant to Cooper, etc), and that certain items can be removed
   (Cooper's ring).

4: I'm almost certain that the "spirits" can take on any form that they choose,
   but are limited by that form.  The Arm can appear as the Giant, MFAP (dwarf),
   or the Waiter,  but is extremely limited in what he can say and do in each
   form.

   Mike appears to have chosen the image of the body he works through (the boot
   salesman).  BOB, however,  has a private image "shown only to the gifted or
   the damned" (Mike, but I forgot which episode).

5: It seems to me that the "spirits" BOB and Mike are *brothers* or
   doppelgangers and BOB fathered Laura (through Leland?)
   In episode 1002: the MFAP says (nodding at Laura) "she is my cousin"

   This may explain why Laura is still hanging around the Lodge, but not Maddy.
   (Leland because he's been there ever since BOB brought him there).

6: Just read one of the posts saying that evil requires "cooperation".  Any one
   else notice that this looks a lot like the name "Cooper"?

7: Why did a robed figure (druid?) take Major Briggs into the Lodge?  I've no
   clue.  But the robed figure reminded me a lot of Mr. Death, the Grim Reaper.
   Could this be one of the Riders of the Apocalypse?  My meaning here is to
   imply that this "battle" between the Lodge doppelgangers ("good" & "evil")
   could be Lynch/Frost's Apocalypse.  (According to one of my friends, the
   prophesised date is 2014 AD; approximately 25 years after Cooper enters the
   Lodge ---> the next Conjunction?!)  

   The Time Loop plotline could happily explain all those prophets.

RMaas
maas@u.washington.edu

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I find it interesting that the movie answered a lot of the "little things"
about the series that only die-hard fans ever really wondered about anyway,
like:

  * Why Donna was so entranced with wearing Laura's sunglasses.
  * Why Donna burst into tears when sitting at a certain booth in the
    Roadhouse.

Now I'm going to launch into some random speculations about the movie.
They may not be too coherent since I've been up 32 hours (and am going
to see the movie again in another 2):

  * Maybe Senor Droolcup, Old Mrs. Tremond, the Dirty Old Patch-Eyed Lady
    at the Trailer Park, and the Ancient Teller at the Bank Where Audrey
    Blew Up are all the same.

  * I was totally hit hard by the parallelism between the party in the
    red-colored room in Canada (where the music was loud and thus subtitles
    were used) and the events in the Red Room with which we are so
    familiar.  I sort of had this concept as of the 2nd season fanale
    and the movie has strengthened it:  The Gang From Another Place
    is sort of having a perpetual party hanging out in the Red Room.
    They spend a lot of time doing trite things to amuse each other,
    and also perhaps minimally to show each other their "worthiness"
    of being there-- The Little Man's "Wow, Bob, Wow" in response to
    Bob's playing with the cup of coffee's viscosity in the season
    finale, as well as Leland's levitation trick in the movie, both
    seem to be examples of this.

    As is sort of demonstrated by the creamed corn, I have for a while
    had the idea that they work to create "interesting situations" in
    humanity and feed off them.  A while ago I sort of worked BOB's
    existence and the usage of spotlights into a theory that "BOB" was
    an "active" version of the audience.  By this I mean that the audience
    watching a show like this thrives on characters' tragic situations
    as well as sensual ones, but whereas the audience is only capable
    of taking in what has been written for them, BOB goes out and creates
    his own situations.

    Leland's "levitation trick" in the movie also seemed like some sort
    of formal ceremonial bow or something.  The other people in the room
    were looking at him in a proud/impressed manner; I get the feeling
    that he was taking a bow in connection with the impressive situation
    he had managed to create.

    Laura's most important question seemed to be when she asked Bob, "Who
    are you, really?"  The personalities of the Gang From Another Place
    seem to be blended, indistinct; even though each seems to perform
    separate functions, I sort of get the feeling that they are all acting
    as parts of one entity which is a metaphor for something else, which
    is, well, where "Electricity" comes in.  But I don't dare say anything
    else about that until I see the movie again.


    Someone a long time ago on this newsgroup had a theory that time in the
    Other Place actually ran backward with respect to "normal" time; this
    could be well-borne-out by the appearance of the dead Annie, but which
    would not explain how Laura was in Cooper's dream there in the original
    season.  Perhaps time there goes in both directions.

    The ring under the trailer was placed on a mound of dirt with a
    depression in the top.  If I remember correctly, there was a similar
    mound in the railroad car, with the half of Laura's heart necklace
    on it.


    Well, I have a lot more to say about this movie, but I'm a bit tired.
    Besides, this post is long enough already.  I must say that this is
    a terrific movie and, though I don't like to make "best" comparisons,
    it's the best movie I've seen in quite a while.

    It sort of irks me when people like jsnell@ocf say things like:

> > Flawed-- VERY flawed. But fun nonetheless. Just as TP is a fascinating
> > television show, but flawed -- VERY flawed.

    because they're trying to sound cool or something.  Folks, if you're
    going to say something like that, please give reasons why.  It takes
    a few seconds to read that sentence but it has almost no content--
    and I'm more or less against content-free Usenet.  Why was it flawed?
    How was it VERY flawed?  I don't buy that assertion.

  -Jon

"Electricity!"

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From one of the clari newsgroups:

> The weekend's other major opening, New Lines' ``Twin Peaks: Fire Walk
>with Me'' failed to generate much heat in eighth place with an estimated
>$1.9 million at 691 screens. The movie brings to the big screen the
>continuing saga of TV's offbeat ``Twin Peaks'' series set in a mythical
>Northwest town.

Considering that Pet Sematary II opened in 3rd place with around
$5-6 million, this isn't very good news.
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Just saw the movie, and like the other Lynch films I've seen, I didn't
care much for it while I watched it, but after thinking about it (and
especially after reviewing the imagery), it really grew on me.  Can't
wait to see it again, and again ...
Some spoilers, maybe:














































Anyway, I thought I'd give my impression of the Leland/Theresa/Laura
deal.  Leland was sleeping with Theresa, and she sat up a four way, with
him, her, Laura and Ronette, without telling Leland who his partners
will be.  Leland sees Laura and and Ronette and freaks.  Theresa gets
curious and asks Jaques about Laura and Ronette's fathers and realizes
that Leland is Laura's dad.  She blackmails him, and he kills her.
One thing about the movie that I was REAL ambivalent about was, with
the exception of a few scenes, the whole movie could be intepreted as
mundane, with Laura blocking the knowledge of Leland raping her and
conjuring a figment of her imagination named Bob.  Still not sure if I
like that or not.
What was the significance of the blue rose?  All the other clues the
lady in red had were very obvious, as far as symbolism went (I'll admit
I didn't catch them when she appeared, though).  A blue rose - something
that doesn't exist naturally?  Therefore, an unusual or supernatural
case?  Anyone?  Anyone?
 Also, I missed the first season of the series - were the old lady and
the kid who gave Luara from that period?  I think they're from the White
Lodge, but then why were they in the same room with Bob when David
Bowie's character started ranting and talking about how he had seen one
of their meetings.  
And finally, I think Laura did make it to the White Lodge.  My
impression was that she saw the angel as a symbol of her own goodness -
when it disappeared, she thought all hope was lost.  At the end, when
she was with Coop, she had found her angel again and was happy.  But
again, I'm confused.  There were all those dire portents about that
ring, and she goes ahead and puts the damn thing on right before her
death.  Did she know that meant she had to die and hoped it would put
her out of Bob's reach?  Or was she accepting her fate, or what?


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In article <rock2@xcf> blojo@xcf.berkeley.edu (Jon Blow) writes:
> >
> >    Well, I have a lot more to say about this movie, but I'm a bit tired.
> >    Besides, this post is long enough already.  I must say that this is
> >    a terrific movie and, though I don't like to make "best" comparisons,
> >    it's the best movie I've seen in quite a while.
> >
> >    It sort of irks me when people like jsnell@ocf say things like:
> >
>> >> Flawed-- VERY flawed. But fun nonetheless. Just as TP is a fascinating
>> >> television show, but flawed -- VERY flawed.
> >
> >    because they're trying to sound cool or something.

You might be trying to sound cool, Jonny. I wasn't. But thanks for the
misrepresentation. Seems to me you're probably bothered more by the fact
I found fault with a movie you found terrific. Forgive me?

> >Folks, if you're
> >    going to say something like that, please give reasons why.  

Gee, I thought I gave some. For more, see this message.

> > It takes
> >    a few seconds to read that sentence but it has almost no content--
> >    and I'm more or less against content-free Usenet.

Of course, that was the concluding paragraph of some initial comments on
the film... it wasn't a post unto itself. So please try not to quote it
too much out of context.

> >Why was it flawed?
> >    How was it VERY flawed?  I don't buy that assertion.

Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me, like the Twin Peaks TV show, has plenty of
fascinating imagery and certainly provides us with plenty of puzzles. But
ultimately we're left with lots of pieces missing. Rather than trying to
address questions previously asked, Lynch and company seem to prefer to
add on more questions until it all collapses under its own weight.

How was FWWM very flawed? How about David Bowie's worthless walk-on? How
about the first 25 minutes having absolutely no resolution whatsoever?

As for the show... well, I'll just say that there are so many inconsistencies
and forgotten plot threads (as well as downright stupid plot threads) that
it, too, was close to collapsing under its own weight.

I can buy the 2nd season finale, which was meant to be a cliffhanger. But this
movie's statement was this: we're going to introduce new characters and never
resolve what happens to them. This is a feature film, and realistically 
there won't be another. Maybe there's a slim chance, at best. But by leaving
old threads even more confused than before and by introducing NEW threads that
essentially lead nowhere, FWWM seems more like a cynical production: we're
going to give you lots of stuff and we don't have to resolve it. If you 
want to know what happens, see this movie a bunch of times and maybe we'll
make another one for you.

What happens then? More questions, no answers. Endlessly.

I'm fascinated by Lynch's imagery, and the mystery of the black lodge
is intriguing. But I consider a lot of FWWM to be either sloppy or
a greed-inspired con job, or maybe a little bit of both. I enjoyed
watching the film, but not nearly as much as I could've. And it bothers
me that this film is so dense and obscure that non-Peaks fans will be
totally lost. This is not to say I wanted to see a simple, explain-all
TP movie. But I wanted more than what I got. Would having Chris Isaak
appear in the Black Lodge be too much to ask, for example? As it is, that
first 25 minutes is both the most entertaining part of the movie and
the most useless.

Happy now, Jon? The above isn't nearly as coherent as I'd like, but
I tried to sate your appetite for explanations of opinions. I hope you
can find it in your heart to forgive me for a "content-free" post. :P

-jason

-- Jason Snell / jsnell@ocf.berkeley.edu / Cal Graduate School of Journalism InterText: A Net Fiction Magazine - ASCII or PostScript - Mail me for info! "I thought for a second that my monkey had rabies -- It turned out he had just gotten into the Cool Whip." -- Dave Letterman

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Marquette's VAX doesn't have one of those nifty "Go to next page
for spoilers" commands, so, that explains the blank space.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
After just seeing Fire Walk With Me, and noticing the way the plot
was working, I started linking in my mind the different elements
of Lynch's works, and where this movie stands in those relations.
 
Two possible links to Eraserhead: One is, the arms.  The One Armed
Man, Theresa Bank's numb arm.  Now, while this is obviously due
to the presence of BOB, one must wonder about Mary X's father in
Eraserhead -- and his arm -- "All numb!".  While there may not
be a thematic link, the question is, why is there this constant?
 
The other link is, of course, Laura's ascent to Heaven.  Now,
before the choir comes in, one can -- just slightly, but I was 
listening -- hear a sound similar to that of the sound at the end 
of Eraserhead, when Henry is taken into Heaven.  Plus, the screen
turns the same misty color that Heaven was, in Eraserhead.  
 
Taking it too far?  Perhaps.  
 
But, the obvious thematic structure of David Lynch's films is the
battle between Good (the White Lodge in TP, the Lady in the Radiator
in Eraserhead) and Evil (the Black Lodge in TP, possibly the man
inside the planet in Eraserhead, though he seemed to be a blind
evil.)  In each of his films, Lynch has taken a character who was
_essentially good_, and thrust them into a situation where they
must triumph over evil forces.  Henry does this by destroying the
baby, jamming The Man inside the Planet's mechanisms.  However,
Coop could not destroy BOB like this, because BOB, seemingly,
has no material essence, and took Leland as his material essence.
 
The problem with TP right now, is that with Cooper being inhabited
by BOB's essence, how could he possibly triumph?  I knew that the
movie would not hold that answer.
 
Instead, the movie delighted in showing the evil side of Twin Peaks.
Fast paced, and _without any sort of spiritual feeling_, as the 
best Twin Peaks episodes had, by drowning one in their slow 
eeriness, leaves only titilattion to be had for the crowds who do
not understand, and only anger for those who do.  Laura's 
redemption into Heaven was not enough -- it was barely justified,
unlike Henry's passage into Heaven, or the Robins triumphing over
the Beetles in BV.  
 
What scares me is that Wild At Heart and FWWM have taken this turn 
at only showing the evil in the situations -- which at best is only
mildly titilatting, and at worst is angering.  
 
"In a town like Twin Peaks, no one is innocent."  Wrong.  The first
season of the show delighted in innocents -- Pete Martell, Deputy
Andy, and biggest of all, Audrey Horne, who despite her sexuality
was truly innocent, and strived towards good.  And of course, Cooper
is Lynch's Ideal Man.  In a _movie_ like _Fire Walk With Me_, no one
is innocent.  Twin Peak's true draw was seeing the balance of goodness
and evil, and the ultimate payoff of Cooper's triumph -- not in seeing
Laura Palmer's breasts.  
 
In Eraserhead, it was clear that Lynch's Ultimate Fantasy was not the
kind of perversions he shows us today, but in seeing a true Goodness
lead to Happiness.  So, why Wild At Heart and FWWM?  There is no 
beauty in these films, while there was plenty of beauty in Twin Peaks.
 
So, flame me, call me a nut, but respond.  Am I even close?
 
------------------------------------------------------
David Eschatfische -- 2609COWEND@VMS.CSD.MU.EDU

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In article <Bts16u.D63@acsu.buffalo.edu> v113np2v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (George D Emmons) writes:
> >1) Loved the girl in the beginning. The fact she was there did
> >two things for me: One, I instantly respected Desmond for picking
> >up on all those clues JUST LIKE THAT!

There was no smiley in this posting, and no one else has said this
either, so here goes: I just about died laughing at this scene!  It
was so obvious that Lynch, et al., were poking fun at us -- the rabid
fans of Twin Peaks who spend hours analyzing every detail of the show.

I really wish I had the movie on tape so I could freeze-frame it!!!

                            :: Jeff Makey

Department of Tautological Pleonasms and Superfluous Redundancies Department
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In article <17otp3INNkvp@agate.berkeley.edu> sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes:
> >minor spoiler for tp:fwwm
> >
> >
> >okay what is symbolic of that dog....seemed to be similar to
> >"familiars" of devils, etc. a hound from hell, from which
> >is born the anti-christ. so, is it like the owls, another
> >form of the black lodge creatures?

A black dog is a commonly sacrificed animal in certain occult rituals.

(mis-spent youth)

> >sally---yes that picture had to be the best, and most freaky part of
> >the movie--a. wilson

Definitely!

      Tyger
-- Kristen Kohlbecker And I would choose to be with you tyger@netcom.com That's if the choice were mine to make But you can make decisions too A Tyger and a Lady And you can have this heart to break

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Does anyone know if Lynch directed those two Gap jeans
commercials with Amick and Marshall?  A friend and I think that
Lynch probably wrote that poem that's being read in the Amick
one.
--
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steve@sep.Stanford.EDU (Steve Cole) writes:
> > From one of the clari newsgroups:
> > 
>> > >The weekend's other major opening, New Lines' ``Twin Peaks: Fire Walk
>> > >with Me'' failed to generate much heat in eighth place with an estimated
>> > >$1.9 million at 691 screens. The movie brings to the big screen the
>> > >continuing saga of TV's offbeat ``Twin Peaks'' series set in a mythical
>> > >Northwest town.
> > 
> > Considering that Pet Sematary II opened in 3rd place with around
> > $5-6 million, this isn't very good news.

One reason for this is that Pet Sematary II's probably playing on more
screens.   PSII opened here.  FWWM did not.

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rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao) writes:
> >Who did Jurgen Prochnow play in the film? This actor was in Dune as
> >the Duke, and Das Boot.

Prochnow played one of the Lodge weirdos in the scene above the
convenience store when Phillip Jeffries walked into Philly.  He
was the guy with the long hair and the beard, and he was raising
and lowering his arm while Bob and the LMFAP played at the formica
table.

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Just saw FWWM.  Mini-review: parts left me cold, but the movie as a whole
made my hair stand on end.  Positively ELECTRIC.

But anyway, since I missed some bits of (what I think was) important
dialogue, I'd just like to know...  Is the FWWM script available at
audrey.sait.edu.au?  Or could someone re-post it?  And does this script
include the cut bits, like the rest of David Bowie's scenes and the
epilogue?

Thanks,
Jon Blum

PS.  "lET'S rOCK!"

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I can't for the life of me remember what character he played.  Yet he
must have been important enough to get title-sequence billing...

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In early June I went to a local Star Trek convention, and one of the dealers 
of posters and other tv/movie merchandise had the script for FWWM for sale.  I 
was tempted, but decided to hold off and see the film first.  Now, with all 
the talk of clips still sitting on the editing room floor, I wish I had the 
script to fill in the blank spots!

So I'm wondering, does anyone have the script?  If so, does it help???

If anyone wants the script, I have the address around someplace...think it was 
$20...just ask...

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SPOILERS ahead


Well, I just got back from seeing the film a second time.  It was
even better than the first time around; I caught more of the de-
tails and the story seemed to flow better.  If you haven't seen
it twice yet, go see it again.

Here are some of my thoughts:

- The first half hour of the movie with agents Chet Desmond and
Sam Stanley was downright hilarious.  The opening scene with the
school bus full of screaming children would have had me on the
floor if movie theatre floors weren't so sticky.  The sheer
silliness of watching FBI agents bust a school bus driver and a
couple of slutty looking school girls had me (and a lot of
other people) laughing.

- Irene, the waitress at Hap's Place, was great.  Her wry sense
of humor reminded me a lot of Albert.  Her "Who's the toehead"
line had the theatre in stitches both times I saw it.

- Harry Dean Stanton was great as the Fat Trout trailer admin-
istrator.  I thought it was funny that both Desmond and Coop
managed to wake him up before 9am.

- The scene with Coop trying to catch himself on the TV
monitors was also pretty comical.  Note the use of the
"long-hallway" theme again.  The TV series used this theme
quite a bit, and it was nice to see it again.

- Bowie's accent was great.  The whole Jeffries sequence was
a bit too short, but it was sure crammed with great imagery.
We got to see the convenience store that Mike talked about in
the TV show.  And a lot of the Lodge weirdos were living up
there: LMFAP, Bob, Mrs. Tremond (Chalfont), her grandson, and
a few new ones.  I never quite figured out what the deal was
with the formica table.

- The room above the convenience store appeared to be another
entrance into the Lodge.  The picture that Mrs. Tremond later gave
Laura looked like that room, and we remember Laura entering the
red room that way during one of her later dreams/visions.

- Albert had a chance to use some of his dry wit on Coop
once again when Coop was explaining his vision of the next
victim.  "You've just described half of the teenage girls
in America!"  Unfortunately, Albert was never matched up
with a small-town dimwit like Andy (or Sheriff Truman),
so we didn't get to see him in full form.

- The whole Laura Palmer story was an entire shift from
the upbeat to the depressing.  I agree with other people
who stated that her segment was entirely serious.  This
shift in mood and tone was used by Lynch in _Wild at Heart_
when Sailor and Lula entered Big Tuna.  The only exception
in FWWM was when Bobby had shot the cocaine carrier.
"Bobby, do you realize what you've done?  You killed Mike."

- I thought it was great to see the way Laura could manipulate
men.  The scene in which she turns Bobby's interrogatory
behavior into dancing was great.  She's very hard on him
at first, and when Bobby threatens her, implying that she
won't get any more cocaine, Laura turns on the smile and
the charm.  Bobby buys it hook, line and sinker.  Laura
sure knows how to get her way.

- I was impressed with Moira Kelly.  I came into the movie the
first time being prepared to be disappointed by the switch in
actresses.  But she made me believe in her more than Lara Flynn
Boyle probably ever could.  When she said "I wonder if Mike could
write a poem," I felt sympathy for her.  She was in many ways like
Laura -- she had a jerk boyfriend, and she was willing to take more
risks than we would have guessed on first impression.  But ulti-
mately, she was Laura's friend through it all, and she made me
believe it.

- We saw several old themes recapped: the fan, the hallway, the
flashing lights, the smell of burnt oil, the red room, creamed
corn.  But we were also introduced to a few new ones: the owl-ring,
the chirping telephone wires, the TV static, the blue rose, paper-
mache masks, angels.

That's about all the comments I have time to make right now.
Overall I thought the movie was great.  I'll probably see it
again just to catch a few more details.

Couple questions, first:

- What was the significance of the monkey(s) in the red room/
convenience store?

- Whose blood do you suppose was representing the pain and
sorrow (garmonbozia) that Mike and the LMFAP asked Bob for?
Leland's or Laura's?  Does anyone know what garmonbozia
really means?

- What was the funny-looking stick that Mrs. Tremond's "grandson"
was always holding?  There was also an elder man-behind-the-
pointy-nosed-mask in the convenience store holding the same
stick.  Something to do with the wood theme, perhaps?

- If Laura put on the ring at the end, do you suppose that
Leland actually ended up killing the evil Laura doppleganger?
And is the good Laura trapped in the Lodge the same way
that Cooper is?

Enough for now.

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[SPOILERS ABOUND!]





Jeremy Matthew Toeman <jt3h+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

|1] Was I the only one disturbed by the painting with the door on it? That
|was one of the more horrifying things I have ever seen.  In Laura's dream,
|when she walked through it, where was she?  Is this a possible entrance to
|either of the Lodges?

i assumed it was an entrance to the pink room, or whatever you call
the room where MFAP et al resided.

|2] What happens to Chris Isaak? I was expecting to see him later in the
|Black Lodge (assuming that is where they ended up later.. I have trouble
|distinguishing between the 2..) but he never showed up again.

same thing that happened to bowie?

|3] Did they forget to put in a scene of a letter being shoved under the
|girls' fingernails?? I *KNOW* they both had them. (Either that, or my
|memory is way-screwed)

actually, only laura had a letter in the TV show, at least at first. 
remember cooper's disappointment with the lack of letter under ronette's
finger, but "satisfaction" at finding one under laura's.  here is where
truman got his first realization that this was more than just a death of a
local girl, as he watched cooper remove it from the finger.  i personally
thought sutherland's method was more creepy.

ronette gets her letter B when leland taints her IV in the hospital in the
second season.

|4] David Bowie - simply a great scene that was probably cut down to <8
|minutes of answering SOME questions from the TV show, but had no real place
|in the movie. I want more.

i thought this was the most thought provoking part of the movie.  but
for the life of me, i can't even remember what bowie was talking about
in his part.  i need this on tape so i replay it over and over to
analyze these "blue flower" parts.  evidently, he is stuck in time,
but what does that mean about cooper and desmond?  cooper is stuck in
the lodge, desmond is missing, and bowie is walking all over the
place, wherever he feels like.  and i right in remembering he at one
point visited this "pink room?"

|6] Was the one-armed man the guy driving the truck? Didn't he make the same
|sound as the short dancing man (dont know his name) as he approached the
|Palmers in their Jag?

that was philip gerard driving it, yes.  again, like with bowie's
character, i can't remember what he talked about.  as a matter of
fact, i had a hard time understanding him during the movie, the
sound was bad, plus the fact that leland was revving the engine.
speaking of which, i do remember laura repeatedly saying "what
is that smell?"  i assumed she was referring to the smell of burnt
engine oil.  i can't remember if this was made obvious or i was
just assuming that.

|7] How did both Chris Isaak and then Coop know which trailer to approach?
|And what was the significance of the place being rented by the same guy
|twice? (and what was that person's name?)

i got lost in the maze of trailers here, so i'm no help.

|Great flick.

|Jeremy Toeman
|412-268-4199     (anytime)

a couple of other notes.  first, the ring:  the inscription on the
ring was identical to the one at owl cave; the one on the wall, and
the one on the lever which when turned by earle caused the map to
appear.

still a little confused about the relationship between mike and the
MFAP, and between MFAP and bob.  bob always said he was afraid only
of mike.  in the end, when the MFAP asks for his pain and suffering,
he and mike hold shoulders as if they are talking as one, which made
me think they have the same relationship as bob/leland, where mike
is the MFAP's host.  but then there is the business of the arm.  mike
cut his off, and MFAP says he is the arm, so have they split the
soul, and gone their separate ways?  or are they still one soul,
working together, different from leland/bob in that bob took lelands
soul?  maybe i'm making too much of this issue, maybe i'm reaching,
maybe i'll stop trying to figure it out, or maybe it's simple, and
i'm missing the point.  any ideas?

the scene "welcome to canada!" was oddly creepy/fascinating/sick
yet definitely effective.  the music was pounding and intense,
the lighting shadowy then annoying yet perfect, while the dialogue
(complete with subtitles) was odd and at times stupid, but
effectively potrayed the image of dementia edged with the urges
of sex and drugs.  a unique scene, i must say.

the transition from the theresa storyline to the laura storyline
was abrupt and definitely felt by the audience.  the tp theme made
an excellent segue here.

i thought the scene with the red haired woman was kinda silly.
was cole just testing the two FBI guys?  why not just tell it
like it is?  why should "trouble with local authorities" need to
be made secret.

what about the heist with desmond and the school bus.  i thought that
was great!

i give it 4 out of 5 stars, all in all.  not as gripping and thought-
provoking as the series in parts.  not as much subtlety, and, since
the ending was already known, not as much anticipation.  a nice hefty
dose of dread, however.  excellent acting, all in all.  i even thought
james did a great job.  leland, MFAP, laura and bob get my top
honors.  i thought the weakest was pulled in by the fbi corps.
i though lynch did a pretty soso job, and cooper and albert came
off kinda wooden.  isaak did a better job than i thought he'd do,
and the sheriff of deer mountain (or whatever it was called) was a
good character.

two thumbs and two big toes up,

sj"Your prejudice won't keep you warm tonight" - m

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In <Bts16u.D63@acsu.buffalo.edu> v113np2v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (George D Emmons) writes:

> >2) How many people want to lay money that Jurgen Prochnow is
> >Mr. Lanterman?

remind me again who jurgen prochnow is?  name sounds too familiar,
but i can't connect.

> >5) Why was so much camera time spent on the picture angel's wings
> >and the garden behind them? did I miss something?

laura kept looking at this picture, hoping that her angel didn't
leave her, which it did right before she dies.  important in this
was donna: "in space, do you think that after a while you start
to fall faster or slow down?", laura: "you start to fall faster
and faster until you explode into flames, and there are no
angels to help you," or something like that.  note also that
ronette had an angel there to save her.  why did laura's leave
her?  don't know for sure.

> >8) Sucking up the Creamed Corn was really a backwards play of
> >someone spitting it out. Gross.

he was eating his garmonbozia.  also, i didn't know what to
make of laura's statement at the beginning "like a turkey
running into the corn."  i remember a lynch discussion a while
back of the then-upcoming movie, ending with "... and it all has
something to do with corn."  ???  anyone got this one figured out?

> >"Welcome to Canada"

indeed.

sj"Your prejudice won't keep you warm tonight" - m

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Joe Zitt writes:
|George D Emmons writes:
|| GORDON KNOWS ABOUT THE LODGE. Blue Rose, remember? Now, why
|| hasn't he said anything?

|I can't place a blue rose connection elsewhere in the show. What have I
|forgotten? (I know it was a significant thing in The Glass Menagerie,
|but I don't they were drawing any connection :-]).

this was mentioned several times.  first with the red lady.  then
when chet desmond told his partner that he couldn't reveal what
it stood for.  then when his partner realized that chet's return
to fat trout was blue flower stuff.  then one of the other fbi
guys (cooper, albert, bowie, can't remember) mentioned it.

|| 6) Why was Austin (Pierre Tremond) wearing a mask? I thought the 
|| mask was a one-time symbol of BOB, yet Austin was wearing the 
|| mask throughout the film.

|Note that Pierre was >not< Austin this time, but was played by someone else.

i noticed this as well.  i wonder why.  maybe he had too many other
prior engagements like donna did!

|Joe Zitt

anyone else notice that Madchen Amick now uses the umlaut.  much
more chic i guess.

let's rock!

sj"Your prejudice won't keep you warm tonight" - m

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dmittleman@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (Daniel Mittleman) writes:

> > In article <6011@transfer.stratus.com>, kvk@questor.sw.stratus.com (Ken Koell
>> > > 
>> > >I like that the movie showed a lot of what went on with Laura even
>> > >though most of it was implied in the series.  After watch two seasons
>> > >of a series focused on Laura Palmer without ever seeing very much of
>> > >Laura, I thought it was good to balence it out.
> > 
> >     I don't agree.  the Lynch imagery was just fine in this part of the
> >     movie, but there was not enough plot advancement for me.  Too little
> >     new was presented.  And for the audience of those who have never seen
> >     any of the TV series, the movie was seriously flawed in that too many
> >     characters were introduced peripherally with little or no development
> >     and little or no meaning to the plot.  (eg. Shelly, Leo, whats his name
> >     Smith who kept the diary)  Further, the characters introduced at the
> >     beginning of the movie (who might have made for an excellent story)
> >     were cut short so we could see all the drama about Laura.

As I've posted earlier (but the more I thinking about it, the clearer it
seems), this should not be seen (marketing aside) as a standalone feature,
but as another installment in TP, much as the series and the books were.
While it doesn't make sense at all on its own, neither would, say, Act 3
Scene 5 from a random Shakespeare play.

This just occured to me -- the movie is a Passion Play, much like that of
Obergammerau (sp?), or "Jesus Christ Superstar" or "The Last Temptation of
Christ". Each of those pieces assumes that the audience already had a pretty
good idea of the basic story, and concentrated on an unusual angle or set of
details. (I saw TLToC with a group of people who actually >didn't< know the
Jesus story -- I had to give them a running commentary during the movie.)
We, the target audience, already knew the story of the death of Laura Palmer.
What the movie added was the textures and details to fill in our view.
Plot advancement, in the Laura Palmer section, was beside the point.

It's fitting that the movie was released now, >after< the end of the WKLP
thread and after the diaries. I'm going to watch the first few episodes
again in light of what the movie contained, but a lot of the effect of the
movie came from our having moved around the edges of the story, finally
coming to the actual event.

I think that, especially given the popularity of the movie and series
overseas, this is just the first of an ongoing series, like the Star Trek
series. Unlike the Star Trek movies, however, I'd expect this series to 
jump around in time. I think we'll see more of the FBI agents, and see
more of what happened after the end of the series.

--
"Go to an extreme and then retreat to a more useful position"  --  Brian Eno
Joe Zitt        ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe         (512)450-1916

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In <1992Aug30.221102.11199@morrow.stanford.edu> steve@sep.Stanford.EDU (Steve Cole) writes:

|From one of the clari newsgroups:
|
||The weekend's other major opening, New Lines' ``Twin Peaks: Fire Walk
||with Me'' failed to generate much heat in eighth place with an estimated
||$1.9 million at 691 screens. The movie brings to the big screen the
||continuing saga of TV's offbeat ``Twin Peaks'' series set in a mythical
||Northwest town.

|Considering that Pet Sematary II opened in 3rd place with around
|$5-6 million, this isn't very good news.
|-----------------------------------------------------------------
|Steve Cole  (steve@sep.stanford.edu, apple!sep!steve)
|Department of Geophysics, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305

not too surprising.  TPFWWM is for TP fans only, as we have all
figured out, despite what NewLine has told Lynch to say.  Pet
Sematary II is for anyone who wants to see a mindless movie just
for the gore and thrill, without having to think, and without
having to bring any of it home with them.  Kind of like comparing
TP the series with Northern Exposure, except for NE has some
redeeming qualities to it, and i doubt PS2 does.
 
lets just hope those europeans and japanese brought in enough money
to make it profitable for another movie.

sj"Your prejudice won't keep you warm tonight" - m

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No spoilers here....

I don't know about everyone else - but the first REAL physical
chills (goosebumps and shivers) for me came in FWWM when they showed
the "television" opening scene, Welcome to Twin Peaks  roadsign
and the music.....oohhhh boy.  talk about feeling like an
old friend returned....wow.


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Hello fellows,

lots of confusion about the Bowie appearance in FWWM. First I want to say
that I liked FWWM really :-) I had expected some short minutes about Coop
leaving or staying in the black lodge...

So - my thoughts about the Bowie part were that he was also in the black
lodge for some years (2 if I remember exactly)... maybe he had the chance
to escape for some minutes and he decided to come to the FBI office?!?

Hm, maybe we'll see Coop for some minutes escaping in the next part of Twin
Peaks? :-)

That's it - greetings from Germany... Matthias

                  "This flame that burns inside of me -
               I'm here in secret harmony
                         It's a kind of magic"
     
  --- walder@dulruu51 --- walder@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de --- Ronin on IRC ---


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zitt!joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt) writes:
> >I think that, especially given the popularity of the movie and series
> >overseas, this is just the first of an ongoing series, like the Star Trek
> >series. Unlike the Star Trek movies, however, I'd expect this series to
> >jump around in time. I think we'll see more of the FBI agents, and see
> >more of what happened after the end of the series.

I hope you're right.  But unless FWWM does better in the states, I
imagine it will be tough to get a U.S. distributor for the next flick
if one comes out.  $2-3 million for an opening weekend is pretty shoddy.

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For those of you interested as to what was in the shooting script for
Fire Walk With Me and didn't make it into what you saw, the timeline
available now includes the movie from the shooting script.  Many scenes
were deleted and some were rearranged.  I have no idea if they were shot
or not.

It is available via anonymous ftp at audrey.levels.unisa.edu.au
(130.220.16.88) in pub/twin-peaks/timeline.Z

A final version corresponding with the released movie will be posted in 
a few weeks or so.

ed


-- /\__Edwin Nomura -- enomura@ucsd.edu__________.:___________.____________/\ / \\ .:. . : . : / \\ / \\\ : .:: : : Fire walk with me :.. : . : / \\\ / \\\\..::..:::.:::::.:.:.....:::::...::..:...:::::.:.:::::.:....::.../ \\\\

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Ok, here we go. This article contains spoilers for FWWM. If you haven't seen
it and don't want to be spoiled, get out of this article NOW.













































I enjoyed FWWM (saw it, twice, about 5 weeks ago here in Sweden, it premiered
July 10).

However, I thought it should have been a TV movie instead. Actually the first
of a couple of TV movies. That way, we would probably have gotten more info.
2 hours 20 minutes is not enough to tell that story.

A couple of comments:

-- The 'person' lying in bed with Laura saying "I'm Annie, I've been with Dale
and Laura...." etc. wasn't Annie, it was Ronette. She looked like the actress
who plays Ronette (she didn't look like Heather Graham). She had the same
dress that Ronette had at the 'disco'. Am I right or .... ?

-- In the first part of the movie, Chet Desmond and Sam whatshisname went to a
diner. In that diner there was a copule, a middleaged man looking 'like a bum'
and a younger girl looking verrrry elegant. The man said something like 'are
you asking about the young girl that was murdered'. I got the impression that
those folks were from the lodge, or some similar place.

-- Also a question. Why was the FBI called in to investigate the Theresa Banks
murder ? Did she 'cross the stateline' or was it because it was a 'blue rose'
case or.... ?

-- Is there any connection between 'blue rose' and Project Blue Book ?


Anyway, I hope for a second film, with more info. on the time after the series
end. Even though I doubt it will happen....

/Sture

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In article <Bts16u.D63@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v113np2v@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (George D Emmons) writes...
> >Some comments...

     Hi, Geordi.

> > 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >1) Loved the girl in the beginning. The fact she was there did
> >two things for me: One, I instantly respected Desmond for picking
> >up on all those clues JUST LIKE THAT! Two, and more importantly,
> >GORDON KNOWS ABOUT THE LODGE. Blue Rose, remember? Now, why
> >hasn't he said anything?

     Because it's "real hush-hush stuff, Coop...  I'm over to Bend,
     Oregon..."  More than just a sex joke.
     And wasn't Gordon sniffing a BLUE ROSE while waiting for Coop
     the first time he was on the series?

> >2) How many people want to lay money that Jurgen Prochnow is
> >Mr. Lanterman?

     You know, I saw his name in the credits but actually didn't
     see him...  Which one was Mr. Lanterman?

> >3) The arm sounds like an indian. So does SDC. Thoughts?

     I think so...  all goes to Owl Cave and Hawk's stuff...

> >4)I checked the back of the CD- with the biggest picture of the
> >angel. No way that's Annie.

     Who thought it was Annie?  No, it was from the White Lodge,
     I thought - Divine intervention, inspiration...  Brigg's
     friends?

> >5) Why was so much camera time spent on the picture angel's wings
> >and the garden behind them? did I miss something?

     The Divine Intervention stuff at the end - freeing Laura
     to triumph through letting herself be killed...  Freeing
     Ronette... White Lodge interventin, I'd think.

> >6) Why was Austin (Pierre Tremond) wearing a mask? I thought the 
> >mask was a one-time symbol of BOB, yet Austin was wearing the 
> >mask throughout the film.

     The mask is a symbol for Bob... Mrs Tremond's grandson 
     was a symbol for Leland...  It's Leland shown eating
     the creamed corn... it's the grandson shown holding it
     "by magic" in the second episode of the second season.
     It becomes reverse foreshadowing (in continuity not reverse,
     but in realtime).

> >7) Is it just me, or was there a new table next to what was 
> >traditionally Coop's seat in the Waiting Room?

    Wasn't it always there... didn't he put his coffee cup there
     in the final episode?

> >8) Sucking up the Creamed Corn was really a backwards play of
> >someone spitting it out. Gross.

     Leland spitting it out... right?

> >9) Annie had the blood on her face when she got out of the
> >Lodge, too. She also had the blood on her face when she was 
> >playing "Dead Caroline" next to Coop. However, when Windom showed
> >her to Coop in the "Throne Room" (Or what would have been), she was
> >fine. Why?

     She was frozen then, wasn't she?  An idealized image of 
     Annie - not the real thing.  

> >10) How come Leland just walked through the drapes into the 
> >waiting room, while Dale had to go through a corridor first?

     It's a cut - he may have had to walk through that corridor,
     just isn't shown -- it's a slow-cut in fact, isn't it?, which
     always means the passage of a little time (usually travel
     time.)

     Okay, here's something new: how about David Bowie...  That was
     hot shit - "I've been to one of their meetings."  He was wearing
     that same mask in the flashback, which I guess means he let himself
     be possessed by another thing like BOB (like Senor Droolcup/The Giant,
     Mike and Phillip Gerard)...  
     But it's a different kind of posession than Leland's.  Maybe because
     Bowie's character has a lot more willpower, wasn't taken over as a
     child.  And can free himself briefly, in spirit or body...?
     And how about that stuff with the phone lines... I think that's the
     same kind of thing as "The Owls Are Not What They Seem."  The phone
     poles are made of wood - sending messages back and forth for the
     forest.

     What the hell was Annie doing there?  Why did she tell Laura not to
     take the ring - when wasn't it her taking the ring that allowed her
     to finally deny BOB entry and allow her to die?  And se exactly where
     is the dead Laura?  Doppleganger - or just an image - or her in the
     waiting room that Coop saw?  And Maddie too?  So she's in the White
     Lodge?  Was that angel another kind of Dweller at the Threshold?  or
     what lies beyond the Dweller - the White Lodge and it's people, free
     finally to help out in larger ways than just untying knots...?

     But anyway, I don't see why Annie had any reason to be there - and
     I'm pissed because THAT WASN'T DONNA. :-)  And disappointed that
     so few of the cast were in it - Norma didn't even have a mid-range
     shot, let alone a closeup ... Shelly was just kind of there too -
     though she got to get slapped around by Leo too...

     Some discrepancies: I thought that the continuity and attention to
     detail was overall wonderful...  Notice the signet on that wring?
     The same as in Owl Cave and tattooed on Briggs and the Log Lady.
     The sets were wonderfully transformed into 3-dimensions, but kept
     their same look.  
     But: no Jacoby.  Laura didn't even mention him.  Even just the pink
     radio he gave her in her room would have been a nice touch: but he
     didn't even exist.
     Laura had the Waldo incident - getting bitten and "biting the bullet,"
     with the chip from Jack's... wasn't there.
     Not to glorify rape here, but wasn't Ronette roughed up just a TAD more
     by Leland?  Enough so she was beaten up hideously, to the point of
     possible neurological damage, raped ("several times" - meaning to me,
     more than just having sex with Leo and Jaques), fingers broken (presumably
     while Leland tried to shove a letter under her fingernail)...  In
     FWWM, poof, she's untied, she's outta there...  
     Lotsa discrepancies with the Cabin-Traincar sequence...  "Don't go
     there..."  Where was that?

     But incredible: Bobby shot some guy!  I thought that was dropped for
     good -- and it was that prick deputy from Brooklyn, that was really
     unexpected.  
     Interesting about Agent Desmond too... him and David Bowie, sounds
     like the makings of a post-Cooper (if need be) second film...
     Where's Ronette's body?
     What do you want to bet there was another name on that list of
     Project Bluebook people - more than just Major Briggs and Windom
     Earle...  Gordon Cole too...  
     What do you want to bet Briggs and Cole know each other real well,
     and that Cole prompted Briggs to let Cooper in on the transmission
     from the forest -- (goes to the phone poll signals here too)...
     I do love the way it came together here... you find out a lot even
     though you know exactly what's going to happen to the main character...
     that Lynch and Engles were able to make that a strength, the movie
     is powerful.
     But it doesn't feel like TWIN PEAKS very much, does it?  The worst part
     of the movie was that first Laura Palmer sequence - starting with
     that view of the sign on the highway and the "Falling" music - which
     continues through Laura's school-day...  Jesus, I cringed!  That
     was so ... self-conscious... like an obvious grab for audience cheers -
     it's not like Lynch at all...
     Another gripe: the music in the film was probably half-half new and from 
     the second season...  The new stuff (like Badalamenti rapping, not the
     Julee Cruise song, or the title cuts) mainly sucks, but the second
     season music is wonderfl - but apart from Sycamore Tree (which wasn't
     even in the movie, but I'm grateful for its inclusion) it's not
     on there...
     What's really nice is that when the people are stoned in this movie,
     I really believe they are stoned...  (A small point, granted, but
     helps the realism of the movie, which was back in grand fashion 
     after the "tv feel" of most of the second season)...  
     What happened to the stuff at the end?  I saw some slides with Hawk
     in the Waiting Room... and the Dweller in the Threshold... and Major
     Briggs... and Annie (but in her hospital room... with a ring, but
     Dale's ring, not the one in the movie)...  I guess this was all shot,
     or there wouldn't be action-slides on the sets; so it was cut?  What
     a bastard he is!!!

     And to make matters worse, Albert was on his absolute best behavior.
     (I didn't know till the opening credits that he was in the movie at
      all... in fact, he wasn't on any cast lists I read (and a lot of people
      who were didn't show in the final cut...)).  

     "So...You Wanna Hump The Homecoming Queen..."
                              -Laura, shy, sweet, innocent.
           Scott

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In article <KWH.92Aug24151814@GLOBE.EDRC.CMU.EDU>, kwh@CS.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann) writes:
> >
> >
> >"Phuck that Heineken sh.t!!! Pabst Blue Ribbon!!!"
> >
> >What's Frank's last name?
> >
> >thanks,
> >Kevin

Frank Booth.



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In article <1992Aug31.101011.8279@engage.pko.dec.com>
boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (Two days and a wake-up...) writes:
> >Well, after seven or so years of this net.insanity, it's time for me
> >to go gently into that good night.
> >
> >Any of you who have been paying attention to industry news will know
> >that Digital has of late been, ah, "fiscally challenged", and as a
> >result have been laying off large numbers of employees. Well, those
> >layoffs have finally caught up with me.
> >
> >
gonna miss ya, dude.  I remember the heady days of tp mania.

You're right, some of it was real fun.  

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In article <1992Aug28.204542.23555@mumbo.apple.com> mark@cambridge.apple.com (Mark Preece) writes:
> >Subject: Re: Just saw FWWM (possible *SPOILERS*)
> >From: Michael Kandall, kandall@nsg.sgi.com
> >Date: 27 Aug 92 01:53:02 GMT
> >In article <KANDALL.92Aug26205302@globalize.nsg.sgi.com> Michael Kandall,
> >kandall@nsg.sgi.com writes:
> >
> >[... stuff about the movie ...]
> >
>> >>I have lot's of questions too, but I will wait for the experts to hack
>> >>it to bits, shards, shreds and meat by-products next week.  I suspect
>> >>it won't be pretty, either ...
>> >>
> >
> >Here's the only positive comment I've seen so far (the last paragraph of
> >a positive but not warm review in the Boston Phoenix):
> >
> >"Don't simply be put off by the cascade of negative reviews. But know
> >before you go that Fire Walk with Me is like sticking your head down a
> >tuba. The pictures that reverberate from the mighty blast come from deep
> >inside somebody's organs. Lynch's, certainly. Who knows, maybe yours,
> >too."
> >
> >Anybody heard anything *really* positive?
> >
The movie has opened to mixed reviews at best, and been roundly panned
at worst. I saw it last night and would have to say that I'm
disappointed. It seems to be a final core dump of whatever remains in
Lynch's brain about Laura Palmer's death. Unfortunately, there is
little counterbalancing to the endless degradations that LP submits
herself too. The humor of the TV series is absent and there is very
little said about the characters surrounding LP that would make anyone want
to care about them.

Unless you saw the TV series and perhaps read the diary and are a
fanatical TP fan, FWWM is really a pretty empty experience. And at
least for me, it doesn't tell me much that I didn't already know...

 

-- Bill Downing, President Email: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.usDOWNING ASSOCIATES, INC. 8 Doyle Lane, Hopkinton, MA 01748 508-435-4567

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