Season 1, Episode 06: Realization Time — May 17–22, 1990

Some clarification and ponderings:

In Flesh World: a previous poster was correct, they just slapped photos
into an existing swinger's magazine. Ronette was a woman 'from'
Arkansas, Leo's truck is from Kansas, and Laura is a single woman from
CT (not a black man, the black man description was ABOVE Laura's picture.)

HST was not 'hiding something, looking up at Jacques light at the
Flesh World and not telling Coop'. Cooper looked up quizically a
couple of times and HST FOLLOWED suit.


Why hasn't anyone mentioned the name of the real estate project:
Ghostwood Estates?

Did anyone notice the `Clown on black velvet' in Jacques kitchen, ha
ha ha?

And most importantly, why does Jerry Horne remind me of a cross
between Randy of the Redwoods and the ResEdit icon?

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}In article <90134.204353PENJOHW@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>, PENJOHW@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes...

}} Does anybody know who Greg Fienberg is?  He's listed as a director in
}} the credits.

In article <11653@shlump.nac.dec.com>, boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes...

} Who? There hasn't been any episode I've seen that was directed by someone
} with this name. [...] I'll have to check my tapes. Perhaps Feinberg is
} an Assistant Director?

I checked. Gregg Fienberg is listed on every episode so far as Producer,
not director of any kind.

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In article <90134.204353PENJOHW@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>, PENJOHW@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes...

} Does anybody know who Greg Fienberg is?  He's listed as a director in
} the credits.

Who? There hasn't been any episode I've seen that was directed by someone
with this name. The TP directors so far have been:

#0 (4/08)  David Lynch
#1 (4/12)  Duwayne Dunham
#2 (4/19)  David Lynch
#3 (4/26)  Tina Rathbourne
#4 (5/03)  Tim Hunter
#5 (5/10)  Lesli Linka Glatter

And I believe that the final two episodes will be directed by Caleb
Deschanel and Mark Frost.

I'll have to check my tapes. Perhaps Feinberg is an Assistant Director?

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THE ISSUE OF *TV GUIDE* FOR THE WEEK BEGINNING 5-19 HAS A SUMMARY OF
PART OF THE FINAL EPISODE'S CONTENT. THIS CONTAINS INFORMATION THAT
ANSWERS QUESTIONS RAISED IN TONIGHT'S EPISODE. IF YOU ENJOY THE MYSTERY
ASPECT OF TP DO NOT READ THE WEDNESDAY EVENING LISTING FOR NEXT WEEK.

WARNING!!  WARNING!!  WARNING!!  WARNING!! WARNING!!  WARNING!!

        In the May 21, 1990 issue of TIME magazine, there is an 
    article on TWIN PEAKS, including a rough map of the town drawn 
    by David Lynch.

        Larry Klaes  klaes@wrksys.enet.dec.com
     or - ...!decwrl!wrksys.enet.dec.com!klaes
         or - klaes%wrksys.dec@decwrl.enet.dec.com
                     or - klaes%wrksys.enet.dec.com@uunet.uu.net

             "The Universe, or nothing!" - H. G. Wells

In article <22096@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU>, geoffb@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Thumper) writes:
> > In article <5440@scorn.sco.COM> dave@sco.COM (The Cat in the Hat) writes:
> > 
> > Long discussion of how Maddie's body couldn't have been mistaken for Laura
> > Palmer deleted.
> > 
> > What if the records were tampered with??  After all, it's a small town and
> > her identity seems to be based on the word of a one doctor who "brought her
> > into the world" himself.  He could have switched the records easily.
> > 
> > _G

And there is also the possibility that they really are twins.  And the fact
that Albert wasn't requested to I.D. the body; because everyone KNEW it was
Laura :).  He therefore might have had not needed to see anything as exotic as
dental records, since he wasn't comparing old-living Laura with new-dead Laura
to match them, and none of the evidence he was looking for seemed to hinge of
her previous medical history.  And anything as simple as blood type would be
taken care of by their being identical twins, separated at a very early age.

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Christopher J. Foster             cfoster@eagle.wesleyan.edu or cfoster@wesleyan
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In article <22094@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU> kristyp@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Kristy
Patterson) writes:

> > Well, it's gotta be a shock to realize that someone else knows so much about
> > you...especially the part about the first time they (Bobby and Laura) made
> > love;
> >    Jacoby: Did you cry?
> >    Bobby:  Did I what?
> >    Jacoby: And did she laugh at you?
> > Whoa...sounds like a hell of a first time to me!  Wonder what its significance
> > is...

I think there were two points to this exchange.  First of all, it furthers
the idea that Laura was a corrupting influence on Bobby, by casting Bobby as
the innocent/sensitive party, and Laura as an experienced/cruel one (or, more
generally, by suggesting that Laura was the stronger personality in the
relationship).  Secondly, it was intended to show just how far Jacoby is 
willing to go in his quest for whatever it is he's after; in this case, he's
willing to confront Bobby with this very personal and doubtlessly painful
information, with not the slightest concern for what effect it might have on 
Bobby.

I'm still not sure I buy the "Bobby as innocent victim" idea; at best, he is
a very weak, possibly amoral, person who completely crumbled to Laura's will.
As for Jacoby, he's in it up to his ears; I would be surprised if we don't
start to get a lot more clues/events involving him in the next episode or two.

---
Barbara Petersen
..{apple, claris, dlb, tandem, teraida}!netcom!petersen    petersen@netcom.uucp
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."

In article <oaIIjPG00Vsn85Sm4Q@andrew.cmu.edu> bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu  writes:
> >tomr@math.lsa.umich.edu (Tom Richardson) writes:
>> >> How about this "occurence" of Paul:

>> >> Paul is dead
>> >> Paul Merd [sic]
>> >> Palmer  (, Laura)

> >"Paul shit"?

> >Bob Glickstein                | Internet: bobg@andrew.cmu.edu

You beat me to it, Bob.

Merd is, in fact, NOT "Dead" in french, but is indeed what you say it is.

I think Tom meant:

Paul is dead
Paul Mort
Palmer  (, Laura)

That works.

Sean.


-- "And remember, Evil will always prevail because Good is dumb!" - Dark Helmet "Smoke 'em if ya got 'em." - Dark Helmet / Elliot Ness / Colonel Hogan / Judge Harry Stone / Christine Sullivan, public defender.

In article <3501@darkstar.ucsc.edu> oliver@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Dolphin) writes:

 > 5) Madelyn finds a cassette in the bedpost, goes downstairs
 >   and calls Donna, bringing the cassette down with her in a 
 >   shoe box.  WHY?? a) she didn't need the cassette to call
 >   Donna, but negating that, WHY A SHOEBOX?  The tape would
 >   have easily fit in the pocket of her pj's, and since she
 >   oviously worried about being seen, it would have been a lot
 >   less conspicuous.  Maybe she IS Laura, or knows what is
 >   going on?

Hmm. Suspicious. Suppose it was Madeline who was killed and the Maddy now
walking around town is really Laura. She then wouldn't need to dredge around
in her memory to locate some tape Laura may have left hidden; she only needs
to record that tape herself now! Laura-as-Maddy is in a perfect position to
manipulate everybody's perception of events. As long as she doesn't get un-
masked by Coop. He's still unaware of her existence.

--Keith Dawson
dawson@apollo.hp.com

In article <1836@male.EBay.Sun.COM> duane@thismoment.EBay.Sun.COM (Duane Day) writes:
> >Unrelated question:  was the bearded guy in the lingerie anyone we know? 
> >("He's no Georgia Peach.")  I froze on his picture for awhile but I couldn't
> >recognize him.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he was Ringo Starr, which confirms the
suspicions I've had all along that Beatles folklore figures
heavily in Twin Peaks.  "Paul is Dead" and all that.  :-)

BTW, re: JFK's "We are all donuts" remark:  Remember Cooper said
(c. episode 2, from memory): "Two things, that as an agent
of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, still bother me: Who
really shot JFK, and ..." [? - help me here netters]

I thought the profile-lineups of Hawk, Cooper, and
Truman (looking at Jacque's cabin photo) and Hawk, Cooper,
Truman, and Doc Hayward (looking at Jacque's cabin) were
more Bergman-esque than Mt. Rushmore-esque.  Seemed like an
instance of the director making his or her mark.   Still, love all
those presidential allusions.

"Heppa Heppa!"
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From the start of the series i wondered how Cooper was on the scene so quickly.
I mentioned it to my wife. Then I saw "Bobby" on The Dave Letterman Show. Dave
beat him over the head with "The Theory". Any other believers out there?
Note: Someone told me that the FBI does not investigate murder. It's not a fede
ral offence. It belongs to the states. La la la la la la la la--la.

In article <3501@darkstar.ucsc.edu> oliver@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Dolphin) writes:
> >    [...]
> >4)  Donna tells Audrey that whatever they find they can't tell
> >    anyone.  But Donna tells James and Maddy that they are looking
> >    because they want to make sure womever did it gets caught.
> >    Why is her face changing for different people?

I'm very suspicious of Donna.  Audrey says she wants to take what they find 
to Cooper to help him solve the case.  Donna then says "whatever we find will 
stay just between us" [paraphrase].  Obviously, it won't stay between them for
long.  Then Donna (and James) enlist Madeline (sp?) to get more evidence.
Donna also got James to bury the necklace earlier.

My take on all this is that Donna is deeply involved, and is trying to get her
hands on any evidence before the police do.  She may use the excuse "the
police don't care about Laura, it's up to us to solve this murder" to keep
evidence out of police hands.  Donna was Laura's best friend, Audrey only an
aquaintance; why would Donna help Audrey?  I think because Donna doesn't know
where the necklace is, and thinks Audrey may have contacts she doesn't to find
it before the police do.  She is using Madeline in the same way because she
has access to evidence in the Palmer house, and Donna doesn't.  My guess is
James is not involved, just duped into aiding Donna in her scheme.

As I said earlier, only Donna has motive to want Laura dead as far as I can
see--she has a romantic interest in James and wants Laura out of the picture.

> >5)  Madelyn finds a cassette in the bedpost, goes downstairs
> >    and calls Donna, bringing the cassette down with her in a 
> >    shoe box. [...]  WHY A SHOEBOX? 

Because Madelyn is really the SHOEBOX LADY, a lost cousin of the LOG LADY!  In
Cooper's dream the dwarf is the log lady.  "This is my cousin, doesn't she
look just like Laura?"   IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!
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> >BTW, re: JFK's "We are all donuts" remark:  Remember Cooper said
> >(c. episode 2, from memory): "Two things, that as an agent
> >of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, still bother me: Who
> >really shot JFK, and ..." [? - help me here netters]
> >-- 
> >Mark Crovella 
> >Dept of Computer Science, University of Rochester, Rochester NY 14627
> >UUCP: {decvax,rutgers}!rochester!crovella      ARPA: crovella@cs.rochester.edu

I believe the quote was "What was going on between Marilyn Monroe and the 
Kennedys, and who really shot JFK?"
-
-Dolphin

"I'll see you later, Audrey."

-Dolphin

In article <401@van-bc.UUCP> balden@van-bc.UUCP (Bruce Balden) writes:
> >I also found the effusions of grief from Leland Palmer excessive, and in
...
> >The only possible justification for these displays would be some
> >subsequent revelation that he isn't totally innocent.

My theory is that Leland was somehow sexually involved with Laura.
What else could possibly account for her "terrible" secret?

Recall the broken picture of Laura in the 1st episode (the 2 hour movie)?
It looked a lot like her blood was on his hands, if you will.
I think all this grief is indicating that Leland is feeling terribly
guilty.

-dick

In article <90135.131216ELE@psuvm.psu.edu> ELE@psuvm.psu.edu (Jeremy Crampton) writes:
...
...  In the fourth episode, he wore
a bowling shirt that read 'Guilty One Plus Four' on the back."  [Has a pic]
...

Did anyone else notice that the front of this shirt said
"DICK"?  I got quite a kick out of that. 

-dick

It looks to me like there is a cult.  Remember the circle of candles?
Bobby, his friend Mike, and others are members of the cult.  This cult
is the "darkness" referred to by the Bookhouse boys who oppose the cult.

Bobby is aware that James is a Bookhouse boy who opposes the cult, hence
his hate for James and the barking in Jail.

The cult is responsible for Laura's murder so that although we won't find
out who the murderer is by the end of the series but we will feel satisfied
because we will know that members of the cult did it.

Is Ben the ringleader of the cult?

Oddly enough, I don't think Leo is in the cult, otherwise Bobby wouldn't hate
him so much.

By the way, at least three times in the series, they have shown a full moon.
The ritual murder might have something to do with that.

JXC7@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

>From the start of the series i wondered how Cooper was on the scene so quickly.
> > I mentioned it to my wife. Then I saw "Bobby" on The Dave Letterman Show. Dave
> > beat him over the head with "The Theory". Any other believers out there?
> >Note: Someone told me that the FBI does not investigate murder. It's not a fede
> >ral offence. It belongs to the states. La la la la la la la la--la.

In the pilot, Cooper explained to Diane that he was called in because the body 
had been presumed to have been dragged across a state line. The FBI would
get called in for that.

Letterman suspects Cooper because he's the least obvious. I think that if
Cooper did it that it would ruin the show. It would be like Bobby stepping
out of the shower on "Dallas" - a contrived ending at this point would be
very disappointing.

Bobby (from TP) did tell Letterman that we should look for multiple murderers.

Perhaps Laura was killed twice?

Ron

On the way to work this morning, KROQ played the Twin Peaks theme (with
Cruise lyrics) followed by an "interview" with 3 stars from the show.
They were James someone (who plays James Hurley), Lynch favorite Jack
Nance (Pete, I think), and the lady who plays Bobby Briggs' mom.  None of
them seemed real thrilled to be there, and James let out a spoiler about
tonights episode.  Bobby's mom did say that Bobby was just a misunderstood
boy and that the Colonel is really not that bad.  I did have to laugh when
James was criticized for "pumping Laura's best friend before her body was
even in the ground."  KROQ does have regular Twin Peaks updates...

Dave Knight

God!  I'm so stupid I didn't see this before!

Josie went to the Great Northern to blackmail Ben with the information she got
from her stakeout at the hotel!

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Christopher J. Foster             cfoster@eagle.wesleyan.edu or cfoster@wesleyan
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P.S.  Could be wrong.  Or it was obvious and I am stupid.

In article <90137.112207JXC7@psuvm.psu.edu> JXC7@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> >Note: Someone told me that the FBI does not investigate murder. It's not a fede
> >ral offence. It belongs to the states. La la la la la la la la--la.

The F.B.I. was called into Twin Peaks because Ronette Pulaski crossed
the state line.  The F.B.I. does have jurisdiction.
-Dolphin

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but... Last night I rewatched
last week's episode and I noticed that Horne's brother (the guy with the Brie
sandwiches and a leg of lamb) announced at the party with the Icelanders, 
something like "We are all Icelanders" in Icelandic(?).  It sounded to me much
like the statement that JFK once made to West Berlin, where he meant to say "I
am a Berliner," but he really said something like "I am a doughnut."

Does anyone see any significance in this?


Jamie Odell

In article <1990May17.144725.2074@cs.rochester.edu>,
crovella@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Crovella) writes:
 
> > I thought the profile-lineups of Hawk, Cooper, and
> > Truman (looking at Jacque's cabin photo) and Hawk, Cooper,
> > Truman, and Doc Hayward (looking at Jacque's cabin) were
> > more Bergman-esque than Mt. Rushmore-esque.  Seemed like an
> > instance of the director making his or her mark.   Still, love all
> > those presidential allusions.

Another part of that episode which seemed very Bergmanesque, if you will,
were the shots of Bobby and Dr. Jacoby during their private counseling
session.  Two different views of just their two faces on the screen...
nice stuff.

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Ooops.  One important thing I forgot about the interview.  Jack Nance says
that it is obvious who killed Laura Palmer by just watching the two hour
pilot... yeah right...

Dave Knight

In article <189@brazil.cambridge.apple.com> jaj@cambridge.apple.com (Jeremy Jones) writes:
<It looks to me like there is a cult.  Remember the circle of candles?

But this was in a dream.

<Bobby, his friend Mike, and others are members of the cult.  This cult
<is the "darkness" referred to by the Bookhouse boys who oppose the cult.

The Bookhouse boys refer to the "darkness" as something "very
evil out there" but they don't know what it is exactly.  If it had been
a cult they would have called it such.

<Bobby is aware that James is a Bookhouse boy who opposes the cult, hence
<his hate for James and the barking in Jail.

Bobby hates James for secretly "stealing" his girlfriend, I thought.

----------------------------------------------------
Cooper:  A policeman's dream.
Truman:  Yup. Lucy sets it up for us every night.
Lucy (over the speaker phone):  Is everything OK? There is extra jelly donuts
for agent Cooper... and there is some extra decaf, you know,
Andy's been drinking so much caffeinated coffee lately--
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UCSD  ( {ucsd,sdcsvax}!{igrad1,sdcc6}!ma299ai )

In <10615@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> ma299ai@sdcc6.ucsd.edu (Jan Bielawski) writes:

> >In article <189@brazil.cambridge.apple.com> jaj@cambridge.apple.com (Jeremy Jones) writes:
> ><It looks to me like there is a cult.  Remember the circle of candles?

> >But this was in a dream.


no...remember at the boxcar, the infamous half heart pendant was found
on a little mound of dirt surrounded by candles...right?

ann

okay everyone, can we go through this problem and maybe come up
with some kind of "solution?"

A bunch of people have posted looking for tapes of some/all the TP
episodes.  One kind soul offered to keep a list of tapers and
tape-needers, with the goal of matching people in the same area
or whatever, but I suspect that the response from the tapers
was probably pretty dismal.  Like many other people, my request for
tapes was answered only by other people wanting copies.
 
There are definitely complications for both sides.  On one
side we have the TP addicts who are tapeless, on the other, we
have those people who have been taping regularly, but who would
have to get ahold of another VCR, spend quite a few hours making
tapes, and then ship them out.  Sure, they would get to watch
the episodes again and again, but time is a definite factor.

I guess there are probably places out there that make copies
of tapes, and if anyone has had experience with this, please
get in touch with me (here or email) and let me know if it's
REALLY expensive, time -consuming, etc....

Because here's what I propose.  I *just* bought a new TV and VCR.
I have only last week's episode ontape, but I have a non-news friend
who has it all on tape and who is more than willing to let
me make copies. I will do some research and find a place that makes
copies (so I don't have to borrow tons of VCR's) and will post
prices, etc. for copying.  It could be difficult if people only want
one episode or so, but I'm sure I can organize it and work it out.

I have seen some people advertising (elsewhere...like misc.wanted)
TP tapes for sale at about $20 an episode (?)  It just seemed
wrong that they should cost that much, and I resented the fact that
someone was trying to make a profit off of this need.  But, hey, this
is America and business is business!  But I think it is probably
illegal to make money off of it...

ANYWAY, I will do it for *free*, but you will, of course, have to
pay for tapes, postage and copying fees.

I bet I've gotten in way over my head here...  8-}
If anyone has any suggestions about making copies, let me know.

For the people I've already promised tapes to, dn't worry, you're
still on my list.  This whole tape thing should begin in about two weeks
(after the whole thing is over and people can put in complete orders.)

But ask around; there are TP fans in places you would least expect, and
you might be able to find someone who can lend you a copy (oh...and 
to the poster who didn't seem to understand all the requests for tapes,
this is what it's about...*lending*, *copying*...).  If not,
send me mail.  If it gets too out of control, I may plead for help.

But for now, send in your orders...

name
email
episodes needed
mailing address

I'll get back to people with prices and stuff later.  


complaints, comments, etc..let me know.

ann

In article <3501@darkstar.ucsc.edu>, oliver@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Dolphin) writes:
> > 2)  What was the statue in the dream representing?

When it looked at it on tape, it reminded me vaguely of Venus de Milo, WITH
arms.  (A friend of mine and I were having a discussion about that statue for
some reason, and her description of the way the arms would have been while the
statue still had arms was discussed; I might just be free associating, but
then...)
--
"When you told your secret name, I burst in flame and burned..."
Rich Rosenrlr@toccata.rutgers.edu

> >By the way, have we ever seen an exterior shot of the RR Diner before? 
> >Did anyone else notice that the sign outside the diner was the real-life
> >"MAR-T" diner sign (the actual diner in Snoqualmie) with a neon "RR"
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^ North Bend
> >placed next to "MAR-T"?

-- ============================================================================== #include <disclaim.std> ==============================================================================

Somewhere (I think) I wrote about noticing a lamp
from the dream scene in the room full of Icelanders,
possibly where Leland started dancing.

On reviewing the tape it turns out the lamp was behind
Emory Batts' desk while Audrey was "directing" him to
assign her to the perfume counter.  I believe its position
was similar to that of one of the lamps behind the couch
that the dwarf sat on.

Was this coincidence due to having an appropriate prop
on hand for the 2 episodes, or is Emory Batts' desk
somehow similar to the dwarf's couch in the dream scene?

Emory Batts himself might also be a peculiar little man
of sorts, though his "square" accountantish image is about
opposite that of the "Let's rock!" dwarf.  Think he's related
to Madeleine?


----------------
Paul Raveling
Raveling@isi.edu

In article <22095@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU>, geoffb@eleazar.dartmouth.edu
(Thumper) writes:
> > 
> > Well...  I have NEVER seen a retired Air Force officer wear his uniform
> > every day.

The closest variant that comes to mind is the retired
Army officer in the old SOAP series, who was blatantly
looney.  There were also a few somewhat colorful, if not at least
semi-looney, types amid the Viet Nam era who wore a uniform
as part of expressing their political views.

If the major's retired, that uniform plus his military approach
to civilian life would seem to be a badge of insanity.  If
he isn't retired, he'd still seem at least a bit odd.


----------------
Paul Raveling
Raveling@isi.edu

This article appeared in the Thursday, 17 May, Dallas Morning News.
The times are all Central Daylight.

"Who killed Laura Palmer?

A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing, especially when you're trying to 
finger the murderer in Twin Peaks.  The more that is revealed, the less we
seem to know.

Just as Leo, Jacques and Ben began to emerge as Definite Suspects, along
came the sinister [sic] Bookhouse Boys, the inscrutably evil Joycely Packard
and the itinerant one-armed shoe salesman.

How to explain the recent visitation by the wide-eyed, dark-haired Maddy?
And what will Agent Cooper finally succumb to:  Audrey's charms, Deputy
Hawk's mystic mind-melds or huckleberry pie sugar-shock?

You tell us.

First, decipher the clues in tonight's penultimate episode.  Then, Friday, call
us between 9 a.m. and 6 p.m. at (214) 977-8093 with the name of the killer.

Or, if you're getting flash-forward visions, as Laura's mother is, write the
final scene to the drama, complete with dialogue, and fax it to us at
(214) 977-8321.  (But keep it short, please; no more than 150 words.)

To be published, votes and/or scenarios must be in our office by 6 p.m.
Friday.  Results will appear next Wednesday, the day of the series' finale."

I noticed that during the James-and-Donna-and-Madeline-
listening-to-the-tape scene, Laura only referred
to Dr. Jacoby as "Doc," but Madeline called
him Dr. Jacoby (i.e., she knows his name although
she hadn't heard it.  Was it mentioned in the last
episode?).

This would support the Madeline-is-really-Laura
theory, unless you accept the (highly plausible)
possibility that Madeline found out Dr. Jacoby's
name from any one of lots of other sources (like
James or Donna told her when they were off-camera).

--paul

In article <189@brazil.cambridge.apple.com> jaj@cambridge.apple.com (Jeremy Jones) writes:
> >It looks to me like there is a cult.  Remember the circle of candles?
> >Bobby, his friend Mike, and others are members of the cult.  This cult
> >is the "darkness" referred to by the Bookhouse boys who oppose the cult.

The circle of candles was only in Cooper's dream, and like everything
else in the dream, has a purely symbolic meaning - it's code. Also, it
gave Lynch a chance to film one of his favorite images: candles being
blown out.

Truman told Cooper that Hawk's people had fought the darkness before
the white men came and that others had fought it before the Blackfeet
(Blackfoots? Nah.) He's clearly talking about something more
metaphysical than a cult. The darkness is something that makes people
do evil, it isn't the people themselves.

> >Bobby is aware that James is a Bookhouse boy who opposes the cult, hence
> >his hate for James and the barking in Jail.

If this cult doesn't have a name for itself, I propose "The Barking
Lunatics."

> >The cult is responsible for Laura's murder so that although we won't find
> >out who the murderer is by the end of the series but we will feel satisfied
> >because we will know that members of the cult did it.

Very generous of Bobby to let them kill Laura while she still has
his ten thou in her safe deposit box.

The one person we can be absolutely sure didn't kill Laura is
Bobby Briggs. She had his money - Leo's shoe money - and he is,
despite his bravado with Shelley, absolutely terrified of Leo.

-- Dave Mack

In article <13693@csli.Stanford.EDU> podlozny@csli.Stanford.EDU (Ann Podlozny) writes:
> >In <10615@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> ma299ai@sdcc6.ucsd.edu (Jan Bielawski) writes:
> >
>> >>In article <189@brazil.cambridge.apple.com> jaj@cambridge.apple.com (Jeremy Jones) writes:
>> >><It looks to me like there is a cult.  Remember the circle of candles?
> >
>> >>But this was in a dream.
> >
> >
> >no...remember at the boxcar, the infamous half heart pendant was found
> >on a little mound of dirt surrounded by candles...right?

Sorry, no. A mound of dirt about 18 inches in diameter with the
necklace draped over the top and the piece of paper saying "FIRE
walk with me" at the base. The candles were only there in Cooper's
dream.

-- Dave Mack

Cable TV is supposed to be so great.  Yeah, sure.  My reception was so
lousy tonight, I could hardly make out a word of Waldo's taped speech.
Did anyone catch it?

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Cooper played *blackjack* at OEJ...

Did anyone else get the feeling that this week's episode was, well,
empty?

Did anyone else get the impression that TP is turning into "The Audrey
Horne Show"?

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All in all, I'm pretty disappointed by this week's episode.
Especially troubling was the first scene between Cooper and Audrey.
Throughout most of the series, the audience has been shown everything
significant that Cooper encounters.  Now, however, we don't get to
know what "problems" Audrey discussed with him after getting dressed.
I almost felt as though a big scene between them was shot, then edited
out.  I feel gypped.

Someone cheer me up.

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There be spoilers here...

I warned you...


Well, we now know where the blood (and feathers :-) on the doughnuts
came from.

Hmmmmm.  Is Lucy pregnant?  Is Andy the father?  Who is?

$10,000 of FBI money?  Cooper better be good.
Give it up Ed - you're not made for undercover work.

It looks like Josie may just have to be classified under evil after all.
Working with Horne AND Hank to get Catherine to the mill.
And what does Truman know about Josie that he won't tell Cooper?
Did they really think they'd be able to slide the insurance policy
through without Catherine knowing - or is it just to get her to think?

It appears the "perfume counter" now has a known solution.  Mark one item
closed.

Audrey and the cherry stem.   YEEEEOOOOW!   I wonder when she got the
practice for that? :-)

Will she meet up with Cooper again?

Almost no James and Donna.  YES!

Could anyone tell which parts of the "preview" were actually new scenes?
"Then, where am I?"

So is Nadine just a red herring after all?

Come on net, the final episode is 6 days away.  Let's try to get the
solution.

So, anyone willing to make up an Official Canonical Twin Peaks Dangling 
Plotline List [in the r.a.c tradition]?

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In article <41015@apple.Apple.COM>, barr@Apple.COM (Ron Barr) writes...

} In the pilot, Cooper explained to Diane that he was called in because
} the body had been presumed to have been dragged across a state line.
} The FBI would get called in for that.

Close, but no donut. Cooper said nothing of the sort to Diane. *Harry*
said to *Cooper*, "We're lucky that she [Ronnette] wandered across the
state line..."

-- "I never use a pen. I write with a goose quill dipped in venom." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

I really think that Leland killed his own daughter.  It is pretty 
obvious that Leland followed Maddie out of the house and he is now
under the impression that for some reason Laura isn't dead, because 
he sees her by the gazzebo (actually Maddie dressed as Laura).  That
is his viewpoint we are looking through behind Bobby.  Now he is
probably going to try to hurt/kill Maddie.

I may be totally wrong about this, but I figured why not give it a
shot.

ps. I am somewhat saddened by Agent Cooper's self-control, I don't think
(or didn't believe) anyone could resist Audrey's many charms.
Also, I didn't see Laura's name in that sleazy black book, but we
did see Jenny's name in it (but there weren't any hearts beside it,
unlike Ronette's, which seemed to have the maximum allowable).

Slo-mo-ing the perfume counter `black book' reveals that Ronette and
Laura were the only women marked with 4 hearts. It also appears as
though Laura started last June. Hmmm.

What's become of Bobby's cell mate Mike?

In the first scene we see that Coop and Audrey are going to talk for
a while. We never find out what they talk about. Later, Audrey is trying
to leave messages for Cooper. Is it possible she's acting on Cooper's
initiative and not her own? Not likely, but a loose end nonetheless.

Quote of the week: "I guess size doesn't matter after all."--Pete

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In article <1990May18.052919.7175@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (Denizen of Hell) writes:
> > There be spoilers here...
> > 
> > I warned you...
> > 
> > 
> > Hmmmmm.  Is Lucy pregnant?  Is Andy the father?  Who is?

That's one thing I really like about _Twin Peaks_: the development of the
characters.  Everyone in the town of Twin Peaks has a complex, three
-dimensional, and interesting personality that is being slowly unearthed and
fleshed out from week to week.  Building up the histories of its lead
characters from episode to episode happens on almost every dramatic series,
a good example being the development of Kirk and Spock on _Star Trek_; but
usually each new revelation is demanded by the nature of that particular
episode's plot: i.e. Spock's character gaining the power of mind-melding only
when he had to interrogate a deranged man aboard the Enterprise.  Many such
character points have occured in TP, where new elements of the leads (like
Josie's connection to Hank) move the plot along in a new direction.  I think
the difference is that here they seem the result of careful planning, where
the new piece of information about a person seem's believable for the
character, even if shocking; The Josie/Hank connection was a surprise, but it
didn't seem out of character for her.

But what is most appreciated (and most surprising) is that ALL the characters
are being developed evenly.  Supporting characters such as Lucy and Andy,
whose function throughout the first few weeks was mainly comic relief,
sprouted real conflicts and motivations and therefore becoming flesh and blood;
this can be extended to Hawk and the Log Lady.

Someone once compared Lucy (unflatteringly) to Miss Depesto (sp?), the ditzy
secretary on _Moonlighting_.  That person should take a look at her now.


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In article <1990May18.052919.7175@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> rlcarr@athena.mit.edu
(Denizen of Hell) writes:

> >Hmmmmm.  Is Lucy pregnant?

Most definitely -- if you listen very closely to her telephone conversation 
with the doctor, you can hear the doctor saying things like "talk with you
about diet", "discuss a schedule of appointments", and so on.  That, and 
Lucy's reactions, make it pretty clear what's going on....

> >It looks like Josie may just have to be classified under evil after all.
> >And what does Truman know about Josie that he won't tell Cooper?

I think that it's what Truman *doesn't* know about Josie that he won't tell
Cooper!  (In other words, Truman truly doesn't know a lot about Josie's 
background, and is uncomfortable, to say the least, with admitting that to
Cooper.)

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In article <12278@netcom.UUCP> petersen@netcom.UUCP (Barbara Petersen) writes:
> >In article <22094@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU> kristyp@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Kristy
> >Patterson) writes:
> >
>> >> Well, it's gotta be a shock to realize that someone else knows so much about
>> >> you...especially the part about the first time they (Bobby and Laura) made
>> >> love;
>> >>    Jacoby: Did you cry?
>> >>    Bobby:  Did I what?
>> >>    Jacoby: And did she laugh at you?
>> >> .sounds like a hell of a first time to me!  Wonder what its significance is
> >
> >I think there were two points to this exchange.  First of all, it furthers
> >the idea that Laura was a corrupting influence on Bobby, by casting Bobby as
> >the innocent/sensitive party, and Laura as an experienced/cruel one (or, more
> >generally, by suggesting that Laura was the stronger personality in the
> >relationship).  Secondly, it was intended to show just how far Jacoby is 
> >willing to go in his quest for whatever it is he's after; in this case, he's
> >willing to confront Bobby with this very personal and doubtlessly painful
> >information, with not the slightest concern for what effect it might have on 
> >Bobby.

 I think Jacoby is actually relating the experience as it happened to *him*.
The first time Jacoby and Laura made love, he cried and she laughed at him.
Jacoby's was asking Bobby to see if the same thing happened to him.


-- Bruce Bernhardt bernhard@vlsi.cs.umn.edu University of Minnesota 612/626-7162

Boy, Jacques is in trouble now.  Not only is he implicated in the
murder of Laura Palmer, but now we have photographic evidence that
he was...

CONTRIBUTING TO THE DELINQUENCY OF A MYNAH !

Jeez, lighten up everybody.  It's only a damn fine TV show.

Eric "Ich bein ein Twinpeaker" Yeater
   PBS is not responsible for me

Catch the name of the insurance agent on the 5/17 show,
a "Mr. Neff"? Neff, of course, was the part played by
Fred MacMurry in "Double Indemnity," a movie whose plot
was concerned with a murder/insurance fraud. And a nice
double (no pun intended) entendre about "Doubles" and
"Twins", too.

Almost as good as "Fred and Barney" :-)


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Ok, folks, here is the third revised version of the Twin Peaks cast!
The PEOPLE magazine chart was a great help in filling in missing last
names.  But they unaccountably left out the one-armed man (while
including such ephemera as the mill worker Catherine fired in the first
show), so we STILL don't know his first name.  Will we ever?

Anyway, here it all is.  Anybody who can tell me exactly who, out of all
the "guest starring" actresses, plays Blackie, will be heartily thanked.




                            TWIN PEAKS

FBI Special Agent Dale Cooper                       Kyle MacLachlan
Sheriff Harry S. Truman                             Michael Ontkean
                               -----
Jocelyn ("Josie") Packard, from Hong Kong;
  inherited Packard Sawmill from husband Andrew;
  seeing Sheriff Truman                                   Joan Chen
Catherine Martell, Andrew's sister;
  secretly involved with Benjamin Horne                Piper Laurie
Pete Martell, Catherine's husband;
  he found Laura's body                                  Jack Nance

Benjamin Horne, real-estate developer;
  owns the Great Northern Hotel                      Richard Beymer
Sylvia Horne, his wife                                   Jan D'Arcy
Audrey Horne, their spoiled daughter                  Sherilyn Fenn
Johnny Horne, their disturbed son   Robert Davenport / Robert Bauer
Jerry Horne, Benjamin's brother                 David Patrick Kelly

Leland Palmer, associate of Benjamin Horne                 Ray Wise
Sarah Palmer, his wife                              Grace Zabriskie
Laura Palmer, their daughter;
  mysteriously murdered                                  Sheryl Lee
Madeleine Ferguson, Laura's cousin                       Sheryl Lee

Bobby Briggs ("Bopper"), involved with
  Laura Palmer (& secretly Shelly)                    Dana Ashbrook
Elizabeth Briggs, his mother                      Charlotte Stewart
Major Garland Briggs, Bobby's father                      Don Davis
Mike Nelson ("Snake"), Bobby's friend              Gary Hershberger

Norma Jennings, owner of the Double R Diner            Peggy Lipton
Hank Jennings, her formerly imprisoned husband         Chris Mulkey

Shelly Johnson, a waitress at the diner               Madchen Amick
Leo Johnson, her nasty trucker husband                   Eric Da Re

James Hurley, a biker, secretly involved
  with Laura; now in love with Donna                 James Marshall
Ed Hurley, James's uncle, owner of Big Ed's Gas Farm;
  secretly in love with Norma                        Everett McGill
Nadine Hurley, Ed's drape-crazed wife                   Wendy Robie

Dr. Will Hayward ("Doc")                               Warren Frost
Eileen Hayward, his wife,
  confined to a wheelchair                        Mary Jo Deschanel
Donna Hayward, their daughter,
  in love with James                               Lara Flynn Boyle
Harriet Hayward, Donna's
  younger sister                                 Jessica Wallenfels

Dr. Lawrence Jacoby, psychiatrist                      Russ Tamblyn

Andy Brennan, the deputy who cries                       Harry Goaz
Tommy Hill ("Hawk"), the other deputy                 Michael Horse
Lucy Morgan, the sheriff's receptionist             Kimmy Robertson

Ronnette Pulaski, the intended 3rd victim          Phoebe Augustine
Janek Pulaski, her father                    Rick Tutor / Alan Ogle
Maria Suburbis Pulaski,
  Janek's wife                  Roberta Maguire / Michele Milantoni

George Wolchezk, high school principal                   Troy Evans
Dwayne Milford, mayor                                   John Boylan
Margaret, the log lady                         Catherine E. Coulson
Emory Battis, personnel director of Horne's
  Department Store and link to One-Eyed Jacks         Don Amendolia

Jacques Renault, bartender at the roadhouse         Walter Olkewicz
Bernard Renault, his brother (now murdered)             Clay Wilcox
Blackie O'Reilly, proprietress of One Eyed Jacks   [unsure of name]
Joey Paulson, a friend of James                        Brett Vadset

--- Michael Gerard, the one-armed man                    Al Strobel
Bob Lydecker, his best friend, a veterinarian          [yet unseen]
"Killer Bob," a dream figure seen by Cooper & Sarah     Frank Silva
Albert Rosenfeld, FBI forensic expert                 Miguel Ferrer

Nicely done. Crisply directed -- the characters sparkle the way they did in
the Lynch episodes. (Caleb Deschanel started out as a cinematographer.) Some
good throwaway bits (Cooper's valise full of moustaches), some homages
(cocaine in the motorcycle gas tank), some arty bits (Venetian-blind shadows
in Emory Battis's office). Waldo bleeding on the donuts was inspired.

- Is the news Lucy hears from a doctor on the phone that she's pregnant? Sure
  seemed like it. Might explain her iciness to Officer Andy.

- When Leo spots Bobby heading for his place he breathes "Bobby Briggs!" in a
  way that convinces me he didn't suspect before that Bobby was the cuckolder.
  Some of us had gotten the impression that Leo was onto Bobby, but had no
  proof, from the football scene in the woods.

- When we see James, Donna, and Maddy listen to Laura's tape, James cuts it
  off before it's obvious to us that the tape is over. This bothered me
at first
  sight, but on reviewing I think we were coming in on them after they had
  already listened through the tape a number of times, so James knew
when to hit
  Stop.

- Now we know why Maddy wore the blonde wig. Not to get "in character" when
  calling Jacoby, but for the the benefit of Donna's videotape.

- Whose cigarette lighter did Hank filch, and why? Maybe this is just to
  further established that he's bad-bad and terminally bent. Probably swats
  butterflies too. When HST says to Coop moments later, "Do you think
people can
  change? I don't," we believe him.

Vintage Cooper:
-------
He got off Audrey's hook with panache and grace. (Too bad we didn't get to
hear any of their let-down-the-hair session.)

"Ed, let's gamble!" --  at OEJ

"Two cups of good, hot, black coffee!" I never knew that two cups of coffee on
a counter could look so appealing.

"...and Ed, the suit is perfect." "Harry, that's good enough for me." Man's a
natural-born diplomat. He has the gift of making those around him feel bigger.

Favorite scenes:
-------
The party animals singing "100 bottles of beer on the wall" in Icelandic.

Audrey knotting a cherry stem with her tongue.

Catherine and the insurance man Neff. Volumes of unspoken communication. Neff
says, "Anything I can do to help you... with the policy or... anything at
all...," and then he subvocalizes "anything" again. (Had to watch this
repeatedly in slo-mo to understand what he was mouthing.) Catherine gets the
message. The man wants to be useful, and might come in handy.

Loose ends:
-------
Leland notices Maddy sneaking out of the house. (Can this matter? Man's a
walking cipher by now...)

Who was that Chinese checking into the hotel across the hall from Cooper's
room? The background music was ominous cymbals when he nodded to Audrey. I
can't believe he'll get introduced and figure in the plot in the one remaining
hour. Another loose end for the followup series. "Let's toss in a mysterious
Chinese man, he might come in handy..."

Quotes:
-------
"These grapes are right on the edge." -- Doc Hayward

"Oral surgeons, Harry. Big spenders vacationing among the firs." -- Cooper

"The trees... they worship... I caught a couple of them hugging pines..." --
Jerry, brandishing a giant pinecone

Okay, okay...
 
Does the bird mimic "No, Leo Don't" or "No, Leland Don't"?????

Is Bobby dumping some sort of bizarre explosive in James' motorcycle in an
attempt to blow it up?  or cocaine in an attempt to frame James' (meaning
he'll probably have to call the cops to complete the frame -- which probably
won't work since many of the cops are fellow Bookhouse boys)?  or is it
just sugar and Bobby wants to maliciously plug up James' fuel filter?

Lucy pregnant?  Must be time for that soap opera staple:  Who's the papa?
She's sure spending a lot of time alienating the obvious candidate.

The poker chip was cut too cleanly and deliberately to just be a chance break
(or the work of a myna beak).  It was placed as a message or a ritual, just
like the fingernail letters.

Well... at least we'll get to see Audrey in one of those skimpy OEJ outfits...


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Lots of fascinating new stuff this week!

Lucy pregnant?  (I couldn't make out the doctor's words on my tv, but
the phrases posted by someone else confirm what I was suspecting from
that scene anyway.)  I suppose that makes Andy a daddy.  Remember that
two days previously he asked Lucy "Why wouldn't you let me spend the
night last night?"  A very forward thing for shy Andy to say if he had
not already spent the night in the past, and expected to do so again.

Audrey's quite a resourceful little tart, isn't she?  I love the femme
fatale touch of smoking even while hiding in the closet.

Cooper was a good balance of all-business and his eager open side.  I
dunno who decided Ed was the ideal undercover man, but I found some of
the results hilarious.

Clearly we are headed for a major showdown at the start of the next
show:  the Bookhouse boys, Audrey, and the Icelandic party all
converging on OEJ simultaneously.  And Jacques is there too!

One thing nobody has mentioned yet:  the polite little Asian man just
checking into the hotel.  A detective from Hong Kong, on Josie's trail?
Josie certainly has plenty of surprises in her.

The scene with Nadine and her misery was another of those touching-and-
hilarious-at-the-same-time jobs this series does so well.  C'mon,
Nadine, there must be an attorney somewhere who understands about
drapes.

Another such source of conflicting emotions was the idea of shooting the
bird before it can talk.  That just tickled me no end.

Can anyone add clarification on one point?  The director, Caleb
Deschanel (also widely known as one of the best cinematographers in the
business, though he wasn't performing that job here) has been married
for some time to Mary Jo Deschanel, who plays the mother in the
wheelchair on Twin Peaks.  (She was the astronaut's wife with a stammer
in The Right Stuff.)  Yet our local paper said Mr. Deschanel is married
to Kimmy Robertson (Lucy)!  What's going on?  Did the paper get it
wrong?  (they often do)  Or has he recently dumped Mary Jo in favor of
Kimmy?  What's going on?

Many candidates for favorite lines in this episode:
"Poor Waldo!"
"Own a gas station, er I'm an oral surgeon."
"Can you give me one reason why I shouldn't throw you out?" [and
  subsequent action]

Jon

In article <4a778b44.20b6d@apollo.HP.COM>, dawson@apollo.HP.COM (Keith
Dawson) writes:

|>Who was that Chinese checking into the hotel across the hall from Cooper's
|>room? The background music was ominous cymbals when he nodded to Audrey. I
|>can't believe he'll get introduced and figure in the plot in the one
remaining
|>hour.

Hmmm. Missed that bit. I'll have to go back and see it again.

But I believe that, even with all these loose ends, he can still solve this
in one more episode. This week's show got all the major players moving on
collision courses. There should be some fireworks at One Eyed Jacks (Audrey,
Ben & Jerry & The Icelanders, Cooper & Ed, Renault), at the Gazebo (Jacoby, 
Leland, Madeline & Donna & James, Bobby possibly), and probably at the mill
(Leo, Josie, Truman, Catherine, possibly Hank). If the preview was anything
to go by, they'll even manage to get the required car chase in. Should be
pretty wild.

As far as Hank stealing the lighter, I think that was also part of the setup
for next week. That pretty much established him as still being a bad-guy.
Maybe he needs the lighter next week.

The Icelandic sing along was a nice bit - especially when Horne tells them
they "have to teach him more of their colorful songs".

Audrey's parts were great. The hiding in the closet routine was slick. She's
hiding in this guy's office closet and smoking. Even if he finds her, what's 
he gonna do about it? She'd probably get a kick out of that too ... totally
in control. The cherry-stem was a nice touch. The opening scene with Cooper
was handled well also ... this is a relationship which almost demands a lot
of time to develop.

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dgross@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (Dave Gross) writes:



> >Does the bird mimic "No, Leo Don't" or "No, Leland Don't"?????

Leo.

> >Is Bobby dumping some sort of bizarre explosive in James' motorcycle in an
> >attempt to blow it up?  or cocaine in an attempt to frame James' (meaning

Cocaine.

> >Lucy pregnant?  Must be time for that soap opera staple:  Who's the papa?

Andy.

> >Well... at least we'll get to see Audrey in one of those skimpy OEJ outfits...

I hope so. 

--dale

In article <13497@venera.isi.edu>, raveling@isi.edu (Paul Raveling) writes:

> > Somewhere (I think) I wrote about noticing a lamp
> > from the dream scene in the room full of Icelanders,
> > possibly where Leland started dancing.
> > 
> > On reviewing the tape it turns out the lamp was behind
> > Emory Batts' desk while Audrey was "directing" him to
> > assign her to the perfume counter.  I believe its position
> > was similar to that of one of the lamps behind the couch
> > that the dwarf sat on.

I think it's "Battis," for one thing.  I checked Battis' lamp vs.
the dream lamp and while they are both the same overall style (large
opening at top, funneling down to a thin base) they aren't the same.
This makes me think that this probably isn't the solution to the
dream lamps puzzle; then again, who knows...


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 Looks to me as if they are going to go with the same ending as the 
european version. Kill thiss now if you don't already know what happens
in that version.....




























 Well - if I understand it correctly, it seems that a drifter is introduced
in the last episode of the euro version and is found to be the killer. I
assume that all the Leo and friends crap is passed off as some rougher than
normal (but not deadly) sexcapades with the girls before this drifter
offs them.....

 Now this makes sense as they can stick with the letters under the
"fingernails, serial killer" - plot that they set up to begin with .
Kind of a piss-poor way to end it though if in fact this is correct.
The way I see it, they really have no choice but to stick with this
ending - it is either that or go with Leo etc. and that would make it
the most obvious murder mystery of all time as the clues leading to
Leo were so heavy-handed since episode #1. The only other option I
could see is some kind of weak explanation that points to someone
else that has not been set up well in the plot so far.......

In article <21284@boulder.Colorado.EDU>, kelley@boulder.Colorado.EDU
(Kelley McDonald) writes:

> > I really think that Leland killed his own daughter.

At this moment I think you're right, but haven't made sense
of one key factor.  That last scene with Leland hyperventilating
in the trees was pretty graphic, despite never showing an
image of him.

Here's a possible scenario:

    --Leland really DOES adore Laura in a way that would
be "wholesome" if not carried to an extreme degree.

    --Leland found out about at least some of the various
shit Laura was involved in.  On the night of the
murder he followed her into the woods to either check
his suspicions or "watch over her".

    --He saw what was going on among Jacques, Leo, Laura,
and Ronette, at least to some extent.  Instead of
a normal reaction, his psychotic reaction was "If
I can't have her noone can".  In this sense he'd
be like the guy who set his son afire in real life.

    --For some reason Jacques and Leo left the cabin
for awhile, reason to be determined.  Leland came in,
cut Ronette loose, and killed Laura by beating her
with the Myna bird.  That's why Waldo was in ill health.

    --Leo and/or Jacques return, find Laura.  Leo wraps
her corpse in his characteristic style and disposes
of it.

The problem I have is that Leland was composed the next day
until word came that Laura was dead.  If he killed her because
he was out of control, the only way to explain this composure
would seem to be that it was such a traumatic night for him
that he blocked it out of his memory.


So there's my theory... 6 days and counting until it gets
shot down.


----------------
Paul Raveling
Raveling@isi.edu

In article <21410@megaron.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary Newell) writes:
> >.......................................... the clues leading to
> >Leo were so heavy-handed since episode #1. 

..except that the blood on Leo's shirt was not Laura Palmer's. All we
know is that Waldo knew Leo, but we knew that since Leo was dealing
coke with Jaques.

-Message-Text-Follows-


Well, I think we've all realized by now that the dwarf in Cooper's dream is
completely over-determined (to use a Freudian term).  He stands for just about
everyone.  But I'm *sure* that the weird speech in that dream was a reference
to Waldo.  Listening to the speech was like trying to understand a mynah
bird...
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We pine for what is not.                   Only in darkness, light;
Our sincerest laughter                     Only in dying, life --
With some pain is fraught.                 Bright the hawk's flight
-- Horace Rumpole (no doubt                  on the empty sky.
   quoting someone else...)                -- Ursula K. LeGuin
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Ok- they've really gone off the deep end here, but it
had its good points.  I understand why Agt. Cooper turned Audrey
away from his bed (can you imagine the brouhaha if they were caught
in bed together?) but I am still a little disappointed.
The Shoebox problem is now solved- she was carrying many tapes.  *BUT*
she found them in a *BEDPOST*?  That many tapes... wow.  Must be a
bedpost of holding.
So Leo is definitely partly guilty.  But we knew that already.  Does
he habitually listen to police radio?  No big surprise there.  But
does Lucy habitually broadcast evidence over the radio?  And evidently
Leo _DIDN'T_ know that it was Bobby that Shelly was seeing.
Triangle:Josie, Ben, Catherine... + Leo and Hank.
theory:  Ben is double crossing everyone.  With Cathy to burn
down the mill and blame Josie.  With Josie to burn down the mill and
kill Catherine.  Himself planning to implicate Josie in Catherine's
death.  But the key lies in the past:  with Josie's involvement
with Hank.  We know that Hank went to jail 3 years ago, and Mr. Packard
died 1.5 years ago.  We also know that Cooper was a little suspicious
of Josie.  2+2=?  Josie married Andrew Packard in order to get the mill.
She did this in conspiracy with Hank.  They waited a good amount of time
before offing Andrew, but before they could do it, Hank got sent to jail,
leaving Josie (and Leo?) to kill Andrew.  Josie told HST that she had
overheard Cath. and Ben discussing Andrew's death.  But did we ever 
hear that conversation?  She might have been baiting HST.  She was planning
the whole time to double cross Ben but it remains to be seen who is the
better double crosser:  Ben, Josie, or Cath.
And since it looks like the series is being continued, are they
ever going to tell us whodunit?
-Dolphin

Oh yeah- I cant wait until Mr. Horne sees his daughter at OEJ's.. 
Plus Cooper, Ed, and the Icelanders...

Does anyone have a copy of the relational database posted by
diane@ifs.umich.edu which actually unshar's properly?  Also, is there
a version of the database which is more up-to-date than 23-Apr?

Thanks in advance.

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In article <1990May18.043248.16351@alembic.acs.com> csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave Mack) writes:
> >In article <189@brazil.cambridge.apple.com> jaj@cambridge.apple.com (Jeremy Jones) writes:
->It looks to me like there is a cult.  Remember the circle of candles?
->Bobby, his friend Mike, and others are members of the cult.  This cult
->is the "darkness" referred to by the Bookhouse boys who oppose the cult.
-
-The circle of candles was only in Cooper's dream, and like everything
-else in the dream, has a purely symbolic meaning - it's code. Also, it
-gave Lynch a chance to film one of his favorite images: candles being
-blown out.

No- There was a circle of candles in the railroad car, wasn't there?


Also- other things.  What did Bobby put in the motorcycle?  He
said "Say goodbye, James" so I assume it isn't something so passive
as sugar- and it looks powdery.  Is he setting him up with Coke?
I don't think so... Some sort of explosive maybe?

Back a few episodes... "Fire- walk with me."  "Fire is the Devil,
hiding in the smoke."... 2+2= "Devil- Walk with me."  
-Dolphin

In <19153.2653c4cc@merrimack.edu> rand@merrimack.edu writes:


> >What's become of Bobby's cell mate Mike?


VERY good question.  Been wondering the same thing myself...


> >In the first scene we see that Coop and Audrey are going to talk for
> >a while. We never find out what they talk about. Later, Audrey is trying
> >to leave messages for Cooper. Is it possible she's acting on Cooper's
> >initiative and not her own? Not likely, but a loose end nonetheless.

I got the impression that she was trying to tell him that she would
be at OEJ, or that she had info about OEJ, or something along those
lines...I can't wait for them to bump into eachother!!! Should
see some fireworks...Coop in his tux and Audrey in her bee-yoo-teeful
black dress.

By the way, am I the only other woman out there who can do the
cherry stem knot in her mouth?  Used to be an enticing bar trick
in high school...

> >Quote of the week: "I guess size doesn't matter after all."--Pete

"size of the trophy" I think...not important.  Another line that
made me laugh out loud, long and hard.  No pun intended.  Hell,
okay, pun intended.

ann

oliver@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Dolphin) writes:


> >In article <1990May18.043248.16351@alembic.acs.com> csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave Mack) writes:
> >Also- other things.  What did Bobby put in the motorcycle?  He
> >said "Say goodbye, James" so I assume it isn't something so passive
> >as sugar- and it looks powdery.  Is he setting him up with Coke?
> >I don't think so... Some sort of explosive maybe?

Cocaine.  "Goodbye, James" == "See you in 10 years when you get out of
the pen"

--dale

>> >>Could someone please explain the context of the comment about little Elvis.
>> >>I don't remember when or by whome this was said.

Ben Horne told Catherine that he was going to take "little Elvis" for a bath
when they were at the motel where the one armed man was staying. 


>> >>Also, no one has yet explained why both Josie and (Pete and Catherine)
>> >>all live together at the mill like one big happy family (!?)

Catherine is Josie's sister-in-law.  Catherine also runs the mill for Josie.
Pete is Catherine's husband (although they don't let on to that very often.)

Hope this helps.


Jamie Odell

I've heard a rumor that all of the Twin Peaks episodes (pilot through
season fianle inclusive) will be rebroadcast over the summer in
mini-series format.  Can anyone confirm or refute the truth of this
claim?

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On last night's episode did anyone notice the following:


1. The Horne brothers were seen eating ice cream and their names are
   BEN AND JERRY.

2. Madeline (dressed as Laura) asked Dr. Jacoby to meet her at the
   corner of Sparkwood and 21.
^          ^
|          |
|          + S.A. Cooper was playing 21 at OEJ's.
|
+ Sounds suspiciously like the buring of the saw
  mill.

3. Not as funny as the others: S.A. Cooper introduced himself and
   Ed as Fred and Barney.


Jamie Odell

> >Is Bobby dumping some sort of bizarre explosive in James' motorcycle in an
> >attempt to blow it up?  or cocaine in an attempt to frame James' (meaning
> >he'll probably have to call the cops to complete the frame -- which probably
> >won't work since many of the cops are fellow Bookhouse boys)?  or is it
> >just sugar and Bobby wants to maliciously plug up James' fuel filter?

I thought sugar did more than plug up gas filters. Doesn't
it, like, explode?  

> >Lucy pregnant?  Must be time for that soap opera staple:  Who's the papa?

This wouldn't be the first time ^tp^ intersected with 
stereotypical evening soap opera gimmicks.  The brains
behind ^tp^ are quite good at parodying the genre, but
of course produce a much finer product.  I think:

(a) it was put in to keep the soap-opera fans
    who enjoy the soap-operaness of ^tp^ 
    interested 

(b) while giving those of us who don't usually
    touch the stuff a laugh

    Recall how we saw Shelley shoot Leo, and we
    all, in true form, wondered, "Is he dead?"
    But 5 minutes later (not next week!) we see
            he isn't. That is, it LOOKED like a soap-opera
    type situation, but they just threw it away!

    Also, the references to the Scarlet Letter and
    Laura are a bit artsy for soap-opera.  I think
    the writers are doing a great job of creating
    at times a meta-soap-opera.






> >
> >The poker chip was cut too cleanly and deliberately to just be a chance break
> >(or the work of a myna beak).  It was placed as a message or a ritual, just
> >like the fingernail letters.
> >
> >Well... at least we'll get to see Audrey in one of those skimpy OEJ outfits...
> >
> >
> >-- 
> >************************ dgross@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU ****************************
> >  "When I gave food to the poor, they called me a saint.  When I asked
> >   why the poor were hungry, they called me a communist."
> >    -Dom Helder Camara, Brazilian Bishop, Nobel Peace Prize nominee.

I am not sure if this has been covered before, but I sure would like to
know if any further investigation of the letter "R" found under Laura
Palmer's fingernail in the pilot episode has been made. This seems odd,
as not only was it the major "creep out" scene of the pilot, but also
they seemed to mark it as very telling evidence. Yet I have heard nothing
about it since. Am I missing something?

I believe "Little Elvis" was referred to by Ben Horne to Catherine, after
their encounter in the motel. I wish there existed a more appropriate
word, but I would have to be rude and say that Little Elvis is a dildo.

I suppose all of you caught the little joke in the 5/17 episode about the
Horne brothers, BEN and JERRY, eating ICE CREAM?

                                -Uzer

Has anyone else picked up on some interesting allusions
to the Kennedys in Twin Peaks?  Try these:
 
1) Coopers reference in the pilot to the two questions he wants
answers to -- Marilyn Monroe's relationship with the Kennedy brothers,
and who killed JFK.
 
2) Laura as a possible MM.
 
3) Leo = "Lee O." = using a rifle with scope to take out
Waldo the Witness.

4) Leo JOHNSON (as in LBJ)
 
5) Jacques (Jack) and Bob (Bobby) as the mysterious bad guys.
 
And so on, with your imagination the only limit.  Maybe Twin Peaks is
a morality play about the 1960's!!!

-- Gary Knight Technology Strategy Section MCC gary@mcc.com 3500 W. Balcones Center Dr. phone 512/338-3694 Austin TX 78759-6509 fax 512/338-3898

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 >  Robert Steven Glickstein

 > Cable TV is supposed to be so great.  Yeah, sure.  My reception was so
 > lousy tonight, I could hardly make out a word of Waldo's taped speech.
 > Did anyone catch it?

Waldo said:

 "Hello Waldo. <sound like a quack> <wolf whistle> Laura? Laura?
  Don't go there! Hurting me! Hurting me! Stop it! Stop it! Stop
  it! Leo, no! Leo, no!" <a few other quacks interspersed>

One poster wondered whether Waldo said "Leo" or "Leland." My money's on
Leo. He knew to kill the bird after all.

Remember that Ronette mumbled "Don't go there" when Coop examined her hand
in the hospital.

--Keith Dawson
dawson@apollo.hp.com

Beaten to death with a mynah bird???!!!??? Come on! If it ends up that
she was beaten to death by a bird then I'll never watch an episode of
the series (assuming it ends up a series)....... 

gln

It would make for a funny scene though...

Would those of you who post about Twin Peaks in rec.arts.tv or
cross-post to it, please include the words "Twin Peaks" in your subject
line?  My kill file doesn't kill them when it sees "5/17 - *SPOILERS*"
as the subject line.  You guys have had a couple of threads now that
mentioned nothing but a date for the episode in the subject line.

--Bill Davidson

From Marilyn Beck's column in last week's paper:
"Twin Peaks" star Joan Chen [Josie Packard] leaves for Taiwan at the end of
the month -- where she'll spend a few weeks finishing the miniseries for
Chinese TV she started earlier this year. Then she'll jet to Thailand to join
Greta Saachi in front of the big-screen "Turtle Beach" cameras. The "Beach"
assignment may interfere with a return to "Twin Peaks" if ABC gives the series
a pick-up order for next season. "The whole cast is still waiting to hear
if we're coming back", says Chen.

--
-- Loren Rosen, the token irrationalist at ...
Rational, 3320 Scott Blvd. Santa Clara Ca. 95054
loren@rational.com uunet!igor!loren

/ hp-ptp:alt.tv.twin-peaks / jimbo@math.psu.edu (Jim Humphreys) / 11:00 am  May 18, 1990 /
> >An obvious point for those who've seen it:

> >The insurance agent played by Fred MacMurray in the film ``Double
> >Indemnity'' is named Neff, just like Catherine's ``ambitious'' new
> >friend. 

---------

Well, this is the first time I've been prompted to write in.  The show
is great and this newsgroup adds a lot to my enjoyment.

Favorite quote from this episode "I've got a Chevy out back that needs
a root canal."  (Blackie to Ed at OEJ)  

Ed is a *damn* fine undercover officier and for all the ladies out
there:  Cooper in a tux?!?  mmmhmmm.   I know I agree with Audrey!!

Now, for my main purpose in posting.
Did anyone else notice how Coop introduced Ed and himself to Blackie?
Fred and Barney??
I couldn't stop laughing.....  :)

Don't forget that the final episode of 'tp' is on at 10 p.m. on
Wednesday.  

"And now that we know where Twin Peaks is, the real question is 'Where
am I?'"

***Bridgette

In article <13505@venera.isi.edu> raveling@isi.edu (Paul Raveling) writes:
> >
> >In article <21284@boulder.Colorado.EDU>, kelley@boulder.Colorado.EDU
> >(Kelley McDonald) writes:
> >
>> >> I really think that Leland killed his own daughter.
> >
> >At this moment I think you're right, but haven't made sense
> >of one key factor.  That last scene with Leland hyperventilating
> >in the trees was pretty graphic, despite never showing an
> >image of him.

Please explain why Leland killed Theresa Banks in the south-west
corner of the state the previous year.

Remember, this is the *second* (known) murder in a series by the
same person(s). The letter under the fingernail, etc.

-- Dave Mack

In article <11293@sun.udel.edu> conrad@sun.udel.edu (Jon Conrad) writes:
> >One thing nobody has mentioned yet:  the polite little Asian man just
> >checking into the hotel.  A detective from Hong Kong, on Josie's trail?
> >Josie certainly has plenty of surprises in her.

Maybe. Maybe he's a Tong assassin Josie's flown in to eliminate
Ben Horne and/or Hank after the fire.

-- Dave Mack

In article <3552@darkstar.ucsc.edu> oliver@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Dolphin) writes:
> >
> >In article <1990May18.043248.16351@alembic.acs.com> csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave Mack) writes:
>> >>In article <189@brazil.cambridge.apple.com> jaj@cambridge.apple.com (Jeremy Jones) writes:
> >->It looks to me like there is a cult.  Remember the circle of candles?
> >->Bobby, his friend Mike, and others are members of the cult.  This cult
> >->is the "darkness" referred to by the Bookhouse boys who oppose the cult.
> >-
> >-The circle of candles was only in Cooper's dream, and like everything
> >-else in the dream, has a purely symbolic meaning - it's code. Also, it
> >-gave Lynch a chance to film one of his favorite images: candles being
> >-blown out.
> >
> >No- There was a circle of candles in the railroad car, wasn't there?

Sorry, no. I just reviewed the tape of the pilot again. No candles
in the railroad car, just the mound of dirt with the necklace on
top and the piece of newsprint with "FIRE Walk with Me" at the base.

Obviously, there could have been candles there when Laura was being
killed, but they aren't there when Cooper and Truman arrive.

-- Dave Mack

Interestingly, over in rec.sport.hockey, there is a poster from Washington, DC
named....Dale Cooper!

:-)
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> >From: moriarty@tc.fluke.COM (Jeff Meyer) writes:
> >
>> >>Well, I can see the marketting people aren't missing the boat when it comes
>> >>to Twin Peaks -- especially up here in the Great Pacific Northwest.
>> >>Wandering down the street last night when I saw a T-shirt with "I Killed
>> >>Laura Palmer" on it.  (Gotta get one of those puppies...)  (Suddenly, I get


A friend of mine owns a company that silk screens T-shirts.  Maybe
I can convince him to make up a batch.  I wonder if enough of them
would sell to make it worth his while, if the murder is solved
next week.  I'd probably still wear one if just for the nostalgia
value.

Tom
--
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3413 Boelter Hall, Los Angeles CA 90024 (213)825-6952
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In article <12306@netcom.UUCP>, petersen@netcom.UUCP (Barbara Petersen) writes:
>> > >Hmmmmm.  Is Lucy pregnant?
> > 
> > Most definitely -- if you listen very closely to her telephone conversation 
> > with the doctor, you can hear the doctor saying things like "talk with you
> > about diet", "discuss a schedule of appointments", and so on.  That, and 
> > Lucy's reactions, make it pretty clear what's going on....

Well, on the other hand, it could be she's been diagnosed with any number of
other conditions, too.  BTW, correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall the very
last words said between her and the doctor over the phone as:

Doctor:"Are you all right?"
Lucy:"No, I'm fine."
--
"I don't think what we're doing is wrong.""Why not?"
Rich Rosenrlr@toccata.rutgers.edu

In article <1990May18.223241.20947@alembic.acs.com>, csu@alembic.acs.com
(Dave Mack) writes:
>>> >>> I really think that Leland killed his own daughter.

>> >>At this moment I think you're right, but haven't made sense
>> >>of one key factor.  That last scene with Leland hyperventilating
>> >>in the trees was pretty graphic, despite never showing an
>> >>image of him.

> > Please explain why Leland killed Theresa Banks in the south-west
> > corner of the state the previous year.
> > 
> > Remember, this is the *second* (known) murder in a series by the
> > same person(s). The letter under the fingernail, etc.

On the other hand, the letter under the fingernail may be something that Laura
and Theresa Banks had in common that had nothing to do with the murder.  Yes,
both were murdered and both had a letter under their fingernail, but who says
that the letter was put under each fingernail by the killer?  It could be some
ritual used by the cult, again having nothing to do with the murder.  Right now
I'm most impressed with the notion that Leland killed her after seeing her with
Jacques and Leo, who later found the body and disposed of it.  Someone (e.g.,
Leo) could have put the letter under her fingernail (possibly as he had done
to T. Banks as well, although he might not have murdered her either) as part
of some personal or cult ritual.  If it was Leo, then Leo would be a prime
candidate, of course, but it would be good plotting if despite all that it
turned out not to be him, if we were judging him based on assumptions of cause
and effect that aren't necessarily valid.  The best mysteries exploit this very
tactic, leading the reader/viewer on to make assumptions and jump to
conclusions that are not true, and the more obscure the assumption, the more
intense the resolution.

I don't necessarily believe this at all, but between that Leland theory (that
someone else just posted, sorry I've forgotten your name) and the way
conclusions are jumped to about how things "simply couldn't happen that way",
I wouldn't be at all surprised.  Of course, who among us would be surprised at
anything at this point?
--
"When you told your secret name, I burst in flame and burned..."
Rich Rosenrlr@toccata.rutgers.edu

In the closing scenes of the 5/17 show, as soon as James Hurley
and what's-her-name drive off to Jacoby's house, leaving
Madeline by the pay phone, we see Bobby watching them, and Bobby
eventually follows James' motorcycyle to Jacoby's house.  But
we also given the viewpoint of another person who is watching
all of THEM, and there's a satanic sound effect sort of like
someone scraping piano strings.  We hear heavy breathing as well.
After we watch James & friend sneak into Jacoby's and Bobby
put a white substance in James' gastank, we return to where
Madeline is, we get the viewpoint of the heavy breather again,
with the satanic sounds again...and this time he is peering
through the curtains of what looks like a hotel.  On first 
watching, I guess I just sort of confused this viewpoint with
that of Bobby, but on re-viewing, it's clearly a different
person.

So who is he?  He could easily be Leo, still breathing heavy
from gun wounds.  It makes sense that he would be following
Bobby around, but then we have to believe that he gave up
following Bobby to stay and watch Madeline.  If he overheard
the call to Jacoby, maybe he wants to wait for him.  We haven't
been given the slightest clue that there's any relationship
between Leo and Jacoby, but we may learn something new next
week.

It can't be Hank (just out of jail), because he's with Josie,
as we saw.

How about Leland Palmer (that's Laura's dad, right?)?  I had
a strong suspicion from the scene where he observes Madeline
sneaking out of the house, that he's not really cracked up
at all; he didn't have that hurt, deranged look on his face,
but more a determined, patient one.  Maybe he's taking a
brilliant strategy of making Benjamine Horne think he's
safely `out of the way' when Leland is in fact doing some
careful snooping.  So it's very possible that Leland somehow
followed Madeline & Co. to the phone booth...after all, he
saw Madeline leave the house...and that he's the heavy breather.

The mysterious Japanese man??? No.  The one-armed man?  No,
he's out of the picture for good.  It can't be Benjamin Horne,
he's eating icecream with Jerry and the Icelanders.  Or lastly,
how about the face that Laura's mother saw in the window?
We've GOT to see him by the last episode.

****************************************************************
* Greg Sandell (sandell@ils.nwu.edu)                           *
* Institute for the Learning Sciences, Northwestern University *
****************************************************************

> > 1) Coopers reference in the pilot to the two questions he wants
> > answers to -- Marilyn Monroe's relationship with the Kennedy brothers,
> > and who killed JFK.
> > 2) Laura as a possible MM.
> > 3) Leo = "Lee O." = using a rifle with scope to take out
> > Waldo the Witness.
> > 4) Leo JOHNSON (as in LBJ)
> > 5) Jacques (Jack) and Bob (Bobby) as the mysterious bad guys.

6) Kennedy had a secretary named Lincoln, Truman has a receptionist named Lucy,

7) Lucy had a husband named Ricky and two friends named Fred and Ethel.

8) Cooper and Ed go undercover as FRED and Barney (cf. Bernard, re: Jacques),
   who were the Flintstones, who were based on Ralph Kramden and ED Norton.

9) Harvey (Oswald's middle name) is the name of an imaginary rabbit in a movie
   starring Jimmy Stewart that has not yet been alluded to in the entire
   course of the series (surely THAT is significant!!!)
--
Look for significance where there's none intended, and blah blah blah blah...
Rich Rosenrlr@toccata.rutgers.edu

In article <1990May16.003603.2905@alembic.acs.com>, csu@alembic.acs.com
(Dave Mack) writes:
> > So what you're saying is, there are two veterinarians named Bob Lydecker
> > in Twin Peaks? And the other one, the one who isn't in a coma, is 
> > Killer Bob Lydecker? Yow, now all we need is the beautiful amnesiac
> > heiress who witnessed the whole thing but can't remember it and we'll
> > be all set.

OK, wiseguy... :-)

I was working under the following assumptions:

1) That the Dr. Leydecker who runs the clinic has not been identified as
BOB Leydecker.

2) That BOB Leydecker, the man that the one-armed shoe salesman identified as
his friend *and* as the man who had been assaulted who is in a coma,
has never been identified as the man who runs the Leydecker clinic,
although he HAS been identified by the one-armed man as a veterinarian.

3) That it has not been established that the doctor who runs the clinic is
a patient at the hospital who is in a coma resulting from an attack,
and that no other identifying links have been established between
the man who runs the clinic and the man (identified for sure as Bob)
who was assaulted and who is now in a coma at the hospital.

Therefore, the man who runs the Leydecker Clinic could be ANOTHER "Dr.
Leydecker", a man who is related to the Dr. BOB Leydecker that the one-armed
man knows.  They need not be the same person if the things I am assuming to be
true above are correct.  The clinic's Dr. Leydecker isn't at the clinic when
Cooper & co. arrive, but did someone say he's not there because he's in a coma
at the hospital (as opposed to simply saying that he's AT the hospital, perhaps
visiting his brother)?

Obviously any corroboration of the antitheses of any or all of these
assumptions on my part negate the thrust of my little theory, but lacking a
tape of the episode(s) in question, I am only speculating.  The point is that,
as I said in a previous article, it's little things like this, exploitation of
the fact that we the audience/readers jump to conclusions and make assumptions
that aren't necessarily warranted by the real facts, that makes a good mystery.
--
Anything's possible, but only a few things actually happen.
Rich Rosenrlr@toccata.rutgers.edu

In article <7941@accuvax.nwu.edu>, sandell@ils.nwu.edu (Greg Sandell) writes:
> > After we watch James & friend sneak into Jacoby's and Bobby
> > put a white substance in James' gastank, we return to where
> > Madeline is, we get the viewpoint of the heavy breather again,
> > with the satanic sounds again...and this time he is peering
> > through the curtains of what looks like a hotel.  On first 
> > watching, I guess I just sort of confused this viewpoint with
> > that of Bobby, but on re-viewing, it's clearly a different
> > person.

> > So who is he?  He could easily be Leo,...

> > How about Leland Palmer (that's Laura's dad, right?)?

Wait a sec...  Jacoby took a close look at the tape after hanging up the
phone, and noted the gazebo in the background, right?  So more than likely
he was the one whose perspective we were seeing that scene from.  (But then
again, what *did* Leland do after he saw Lau...  whoops, Maddy leaving the
house?)
--
"When you told your secret name, I burst in flame and burned..."
Rich Rosenrlr@toccata.rutgers.edu

In article <waIrkqe00Vsn0_BJFH@andrew.cmu.edu> bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) writes:
> >Cooper played *blackjack* at OEJ...

I remember Truman telling Cooper not just that Jaques worked at OEJ's,
but that he was a blackjack dealer.  I'll have to queue up the tape...

> >Did anyone else get the feeling that this week's episode was, well,
> >empty?

Watching the broadcast, it felt like a 20 minute show.  The previous
episode had so much happening it felt like a two-hour show.  I was a
little disappointed, in spite of the fine cinematography.
-- Internet: bmay@chips.com | "I have no opinions and I don't Phonenet: 408-434-0601 x4550 | think my company should either."

In article <13694@csli.Stanford.EDU>, podlozny@csli.Stanford.EDU (Ann Podlozny) writes...

} I guess there are probably places out there that make copies of tapes,
} and if anyone has had experience with this, please get in touch with
} me (here or email) and let me know if it's REALLY expensive, time
} -consuming, etc....

} Because here's what I propose.  [...]  I will do some research and
} find a place that makes copies (so I don't have to borrow tons of
} VCR's) and will post prices, etc. for copying.

} I have seen some people advertising (elsewhere...like misc.wanted) TP
} tapes for sale at about $20 an episode (?)  It just seemed wrong that
} they should cost that much, and I resented the fact that someone was
} trying to make a profit off of this need.  But, hey, this is America
} and business is business!  But I think it is probably illegal to make
} money off of it...

You're correct. It's illegal. But it isn't just illegal when money is
being made. It's illegal, period. The TWIN PEAKS episodes are copyrighted
material, and anyone making copies without authorization from the owners
of the copyright are violating the law. Certainly no one is going to
break down your door and haul you off to jail in chains if you make a
copy for a friend, but a large-scale duplication service, even at no
charge, may attract unwanted attention.

This is why a professional service doing tape duplication will be highly
unlikely to accept this type of business -- because they can get into
serious trouble. What they generally do is make dupes of home-grown
videocam stuff and whatnot.

-- "I never use a pen. I write with a goose quill dipped in venom." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <26541445.5c19@petunia.CalPoly.EDU>, dgross@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (Dave Gross) writes...

} Does the bird mimic "No, Leo Don't" or "No, Leland Don't"?????

Sounded like "Leo" to me. Why else would Leo want to whack the bird?

} Is Bobby dumping some sort of bizarre explosive in James' motorcycle in
} an attempt to blow it up?  or cocaine in an attempt to frame James'
} (meaning he'll probably have to call the cops to complete the frame --
} which probably won't work since many of the cops are fellow Bookhouse
} boys)?  or is it just sugar and Bobby wants to maliciously plug up
} James' fuel filter?

Certainly isn't sugar. Note that he put a *plastic bag* full of something
in the tank. If he was trying to screw up the filter, he'd've *poured*
the sugar in. Plus, that would be at worst an inconvenience to James.
Bobby certainly wants to do more than inconvenience him.

My guess is that it *is* cocaine.

} Lucy pregnant?

Sure seems like it.

-- "I never use a pen. I write with a goose quill dipped in venom." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <May.18.21.37.30.1990.3702@toccata.rutgers.edu> rlr@toccata.rutgers.edu (Rich Rosen) writes:
> >In article <7941@accuvax.nwu.edu>, sandell@ils.nwu.edu (Greg Sandell) writes:
>> >> After we watch James & friend sneak into Jacoby's and Bobby
>> >> put a white substance in James' gastank, we return to where
>> >> Madeline is, we get the viewpoint of the heavy breather again,
>> >> with the satanic sounds again...and this time he is peering
>> >> through the curtains of what looks like a hotel.  On first 
>> >> watching, I guess I just sort of confused this viewpoint with
>> >> that of Bobby, but on re-viewing, it's clearly a different
>> >> person.
> >
>> >> So who is he?  He could easily be Leo,...
> >
>> >> How about Leland Palmer (that's Laura's dad, right?)?
> >
> >Wait a sec...  Jacoby took a close look at the tape after hanging up the
> >phone, and noted the gazebo in the background, right?  So more than likely
> >he was the one whose perspective we were seeing that scene from.  (But then
> >again, what *did* Leland do after he saw Lau...  whoops, Maddy leaving the
> >house?)

No way it's Jacoby. Heavy Breather (HB) is watching all four of
them (Bobby, James, Donna and Madeleine) at the gazebo. James and
Donna take off on the Harley, Bobby follows, HB stays and watches
"Madelaura". Later, James and Donna watch Jacoby leave his office.
Unless there are two Jacobies (now *there's* an interesting concept)
he can't be HB.

As for Leland, I think he's watching an imaginary episode of 
"Invitation to Love" on a darkened TV at home.

Who is HB? The major possibilities are Hank, Leo, One-Armed Mike,
and, of course, Sheriff Truman. (I assume we can safely discount
"Snake",Pete, Andy, Hawk, Dr. Hayward, Mayor Millford, and the Log
Lady.) Everyone else is pretty much accounted for. They're all
either at or on their way to OEJ.

My current favorite theory about who the killer is: Ronette Pulaski.
She was jealous because Dr. Jacoby dumped her for Laura. She murdered
Laura while Jacques and Leo were off on a beer run and gave herself a
few cuts to make it look like she'd been worked over by the same
person. Dr. Jacoby caught up with her too late and whacked her in
the head, resulting in her current coma. Leo and Jacques returned,
found the body, and disposed of it to cover their asses, while
Ronette wandered down the mountain toward the state line.

I haven't quite worked out why she killed Theresa Banks.

What are you laughing at? It's no more hairbrained than accusing
Leland of killing Laura.

-- Dave Mack

In article <8329@cognos.UUCP>, perryd@cognos.UUCP (Perry Devetzis) writes...

} As a side note British Columbia has a very small French Canadian population
} yet both Bernie and Jacques Renault were/are French Canadian.  Hmmmm?

One would *expect* them both to be French Canadian. They *are* brothers,
after all.

-- "I never use a pen. I write with a goose quill dipped in venom." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <3550@darkstar.ucsc.edu> oliver@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Dolphin) writes:
> >So Leo is definitely partly guilty.  But we knew that already.

You're making a pretty big assumption, given the fact that this is
Twin Peaks and not Dragnet.

Leo, Jacques, Laura, and Ronette were all together at Jacques'
cabin. Laura and Ronette were tortured at the abandoned railway
car. They found a small spot of blood on the carpet at Jacques'
cabin, but we don't know whose it was. We do know that Jacques
has been doing some bleeding lately - it might be his.

It's quite possible that Laura and Ronette left the cabin under
their own power and were intercepted by a third party who took
them to the box cars. Remember, *two* kinds of twine were used
in tying Laura up. Jacques had that very handy spool of (presumably)
Finley's lying right there on the floor of his cabin. Why get some
other brand? This is also (reasonably) consistent with the Log's
testimony.

So Leo, while he may be guilty of light bondage, bird abuse, feeding
poker chips to a minor, and so forth, may have had nothing to do
with Laura's death. It doesn't really seem in character for him;
there's no obvious profit to be made, and that's seems to be mainly
what motivates him.

-- Dave Mack

In article <May.18.21.23.07.1990.3638@toccata.rutgers.edu> rlr@toccata.rutgers.edu (Rich Rosen) writes:
> >In article <1990May16.003603.2905@alembic.acs.com>, csu@alembic.acs.com
> >(Dave Mack) writes:
>> >> So what you're saying is, there are two veterinarians named Bob Lydecker
>> >> in Twin Peaks? And the other one, the one who isn't in a coma, is 
>> >> Killer Bob Lydecker? Yow, now all we need is the beautiful amnesiac
>> >> heiress who witnessed the whole thing but can't remember it and we'll
>> >> be all set.
> >
> >OK, wiseguy... :-)
> >
> >I was working under the following assumptions:
> >
> >1) That the Dr. Leydecker who runs the clinic has not been identified as
> >BOB Leydecker.

Damn it, it's LYDECKER, not LEYDECKER. It says so right over the door
to the clinic, just above the words "Aid to the beast incarnate".

And I imagine a sharp guy like Agent Cooper would make sure that
the vet running the clinic is in fact BOB LYDECKER (dammit), not
his black sheep brother Napoleon Lydecker, who is secretly planning
to steal the family jewels and flee to Australia with Reginald
Bedwetter's prize ewe, where they will live forever in wedded bliss.

> >
> >Obviously any corroboration of the antitheses of any or all of these
> >assumptions on my part negate the thrust of my little theory, but lacking a
> >tape of the episode(s) in question, I am only speculating.  The point is that,
> >as I said in a previous article, it's little things like this, exploitation of
> >the fact that we the audience/readers jump to conclusions and make assumptions
> >that aren't necessarily warranted by the real facts, that makes a good mystery.

In a good mystery, the detective isn't some fumblebunny who isn't
even bright enough to check out the full name of a suspect. Of course,
Twin Peaks may not be intended to be a "good" mystery, it may be
intended to be the world's strangest soap opera (including "Dark
Shadows"). So maybe you're right. But if you are, it means that
FBI Special Agent Dale Cooper is an incompetent nitwit. For me,
at least, that would ruin the series.

-- Dave Mack

As an infrequent network eavesdropper, I'm enjoying all these convoluted
theories about the Peaks gang. Personally I say "Enjoy the ride".  There's no
way Lynch will resolve all the questions you have.  If so, a Poirot-type
revelation scene would take three episodes, and a Nightline special to boot.
But here's a couple things I found curious, as to casting.  Whatever.  What I
really want to know is, wasn't the youngest daughter on the lamentable
"Gimme a Break" named Lara Flynn?  As in "Lara Flynn Boyle" (Donna)?  Also
who has theories about the little "R" embedded in Laura's fingertip? As a
last comment, us in LA area have an added treat in that "The Prisoner" is
broadcast late night weekly, also on Thursday.  Two, two, TWO mysteries in
one!

gondola bob c/o kan@cs.ucla.edu

In article <1990May18.215515.27522@athena.mit.edu>, beshaffe@athena.mit.edu (Bridgette E Shaffer) writes...

} Did anyone else notice how Coop introduced Ed and himself to Blackie?
} Fred and Barney??

And from Blackie's look, I'd say: (a) she saw right through it, and (b) she
wasn't surprised, as probably 80% of her clientele give false names.

} I couldn't stop laughing.....  :)

I reacted the same way when Audrey used "Hester Prinn".

} Don't forget that the final episode of 'tp' is on at 10 p.m. on
} Wednesday.  

I dunno. I think the "W" refers to Walla Walla.

} "And now that we know where Twin Peaks is, the real question is 'Where
} am I?'"

"I need a double shot of java, hold the cow..."

-- "I never use a pen. I write with a goose quill dipped in venom." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <May.18.21.37.30.1990.3702@toccata.rutgers.edu>, rlr@toccata.rutgers.edu (Rich Rosen) writes...

} In article <7941@accuvax.nwu.edu>, sandell@ils.nwu.edu (Greg Sandell) writes:

}} After we watch James & friend sneak into Jacoby's and Bobby put a
}} white substance in James' gastank, we return to where Madeline is,
}} we get the viewpoint of the heavy breather again,
                                              ^^^^^

} Jacoby took a close look at the tape after hanging up the phone, and
} noted the gazebo in the background, right?  So more than likely he
} was was the one whose perspective we were seeing that scene from.

No, note the "again" above. The first time we see the mystery-person
viewpoint, it was as James and Donna (and Bobby) leave for Jacoby's
office. J&D watched Jacoby leave, so he couldn't have been the "heavy
breather" since he was still in his office when the HB first appears.

Maybe it's Killer Bob.
-- "I never use a pen. I write with a goose quill dipped in venom." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <4a778b44.20b6d@apollo.HP.COM>, dawson@apollo.HP.COM (Keith Dawson) writes...

} Nicely done. Crisply directed -- the characters sparkle the way they
} did in the Lynch episodes.

I agree. And the script was by Harley Peyton again, who wrote the limpest
episode of the series (4/26). It looks more likely that it was tepid
direction by Tina Rathbourne that did in that episode rather than Peyton's
script.

} When Leo spots Bobby heading for his place he breathes "Bobby Briggs!"
} in a way that convinces me he didn't suspect before that Bobby was the
} cuckolder. Some of us had gotten the impression that Leo was onto Bobby,
} but had no proof, from the football scene in the woods.

I was the one who first suggested that, but I agree that this new scene
seems to belie that impression.

} "Harry, that's good enough for me." Man's a natural-born diplomat.

This bit bothered me slightly. I thought it was quite in character, if
out of left field, for the Coopster to be suddenly suspicious of Josie.
When Harry says, "I love her and that's all I need to know," and Coop
replies with what you quote above, I felt disappointed that he was
disregarding his intuition. On reflection, though, I suspect that he *was*
just being diplomatic, deciding that now wasn't the time to get involved
in an argument with Harry, and possibly alienating Harry in the bargain.

And perhaps...*perhaps*...we'll see Harry start thinking about how much
he really knows about Josie's background. He *knows* how good Coop is at
figuring things out, and he might realize that if Coop has suspicions
about Josie, there's probably something there that his loveblindness is
blocking out. This would be a *great* piece of character work.

-- "I never use a pen. I write with a goose quill dipped in venom." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <1990May18.124947.8680@cs.umn.edu> bernhard@cs.umn.edu (Bruce
Bernhardt) writes:

>> >> Well, it's gotta be a shock to realize that someone else knows so much about
>> >> you...especially the part about the first time they (Bobby and Laura) made
>> >> love:
>> >>    Jacoby: Did you cry?
>> >>    Bobby:  Did I what?
>> >>    Jacoby: And did she laugh at you?
>> >> sounds like a hell of a first time to me!  Wonder what its significance is

> > I think Jacoby is actually relating the experience as it happened to *him*.
> > The first time Jacoby and Laura made love, he cried and she laughed at him.
> > Jacoby's was asking Bobby to see if the same thing happened to him.

This sounds unlikely to me -- think of the comments we've heard Laura making
to Jacoby that suggest their sexual relationship (e.g. Laura's comment from
an early episode: "James is sweet, but sometimes I don't want sweetness" (or
something to that effect)).  They don't seem the sort of things Laura would
say to someone who cried the first time they made love.

---
Barbara Petersen
..{apple, claris, dlb, tandem, teraida}!netcom!petersen    petersen@netcom.uucp
               "Everybody was dancing in the moonlight...."

>> >> = me
> > = Rich Rosen

>>> >>> Hmmmmm.  Is Lucy pregnant?

>> >> Most definitely -- if you listen very closely to her telephone conversation 
>> >> with the doctor, you can hear the doctor saying things like "talk with you
>> >> about diet", "discuss a schedule of appointments", and so on.  That, and 
>> >> Lucy's reactions, make it pretty clear what's going on....

> > Well, on the other hand, it could be she's been diagnosed with any number of
> > other conditions, too.  BTW, correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall the very
> > last words said between her and the doctor over the phone as:
> >
> > Doctor:"Are you all right?"
> > Lucy:"No, I'm fine."

The idea of some other diagnosis just doesn't sound right to me.  First, from
what I could hear of the doctor's comments, they don't fit well with any
diagnosis other than pregnancy.  (I'd like to hear that scene again, to try
and catch more of the doctor's dialogue, but I just found out tonight that I
*don't* have the episode on tape....  Perhaps someone else could check it?)
Perhaps more importantly, the doctor's *tone* is too matter-of-fact for him 
to be giving Lucy a diagnosis of some sort of disease or illness.  Pregnancy
would be somewhat unique in that respect -- while it typically involves a 
great deal of  medical care, it is a diagnosis that most people are happy to
receive.  The doctor's tone reflects this; this could also be why the doctor
asks Lucy if she's all right (i.e. he's not concerned that she is OK after 
getting bad news, but surprised that she seems upset over what he assumes is 
good news). 

Of course I could be wrong.  (Anything's possible.... (But only a few things 
that are in my best interests are actually significant.  Or something like
that.))

---
Barbara Petersen
..{apple, claris, dlb, tandem, teraida}!netcom!petersen    petersen@netcom.uucp
                "Everybody was dancing in the moonlight...."

In article <101650004@hpcupt1.HP.COM> jodell@hpcupt1.HP.COM (Jamie Odell) writes:
> >
> >On last night's episode did anyone notice the following:
> >
> >2. Madeline (dressed as Laura) asked Dr. Jacoby to meet her at the
> >   corner of Sparkwood and 21.
> >^          ^
> >|          |
> >|          + S.A. Cooper was playing 21 at OEJ's.
> >|
> >+ Sounds suspiciously like the buring of the saw
> >  mill.

By another astounding coincidence, it's also the VERY SAME intersection
where the real Laura got off James' bike and ran into the woods to get
murdered, at least according to James in the pilot.

Talk about some subtle foreshadowing!

-- Dave Mack

In article <8aGmIg_00VsnIFHm1l@andrew.cmu.edu> bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) writes:
]
]In any case, it should now be pretty clear what the story is.  Here's my
]take on it:
]
]Leo murders Laura.  Several days later, Shelly shoots him.  Severely
]wounded, Leo realizes that his being shot was, at least in part, a
]consequence of his having murdered Laura.  He travels several days back
]into the past, to warn Leo-prime not to kill Laura, otherwise Leo-prime
]will be shot by Shelly-prime.  Leo-naught dies, his shirt a bloody mess.
] Leo-prime takes Leo-naught's shirt to Jacques-prime as proof that he
]was visited by Leo-naught.  Leo-prime explains to Jacques-prime why they
]mustn't kill Laura-prime -- at least, not yet.  Leo-prime arrives home
]and has Shelly-prime wash his laundry while he tries to think of a plan.
] Shelly-prime finds the bloodstained shirt and hides it.  Laura-prime,
]who is still alive, decides to masquerade as her cousin Madeleine. 
]Several days later, Laura-prime calls Jacoby-prime.  Meanwhile,
]Leo-prime stalks Shelly-prime with a sniper's rifle, since by
]eliminating her, he becomes free to murder Laura-prime (which was his
]original plan, for reasons unknown) without fear of being shot ("again").
]
]The only confusion arises from the fact that the audience is being shown
]both timeline-naught and timeline-prime, intermixed.
]
]Clearly, the major concern for next week is keeping Laura-prime from
]dying.  Mr. Palmer, who is in touch with both timelines because of his
]innate temporal instability, is aware of this danger, and of his
]inability to do anything about it.  It is this realization that drives
]him to dance "The Leland."
]
]______________                  _____________________________
]Bob Glickstein                | Internet: bobg@andrew.cmu.edu

Think you got something here.  I think you ought to tell
rec.arts.startrek about it;  along with Battlestar Galactica, Dr. Who
and Cheers, they're looking for new shows to meet up with the
Enterprise.  Actually, things are getting a little dull over there so
I'm dipping more and more into this newsgroup.  We might also find that
Leo is Arnold Schwarzenegger in disguise, and that Laura is an android.

Twin Peaks has me totally riveted; I forgot to turn on my VCR last week
and had to leave a dinner party at eight-thirty.  I've been avidly
renting the other Lynch films; Blue Velvet left me cold but do you
notice the Blue Velvet visual references in "Invitation to Love"?  The
card on a blue cloth background, the man being gagged...  I wouldn't be
surprised to see some clandestine EraserHead references, and could
somebody tell me the SAM HILL what that film was all about?????????
That kept me awake in ways that no other horror film has been able to do
in years.  The man is SICK!  I think television censorship has improved
Lynch immeasurably, and allowed him new and creative channels for his
dementia.  I love it!

Hello Ben, Chris et al.

slhi    (two hundred and seventy six articles left to read... sigh)