Season 2, Episode 09: Arbitrary Law — December 01–07, 1990

In article <27503@cs.yale.edu> long-morrow@cs.yale.edu (H. Morrow Long) writes:
> >According to our local newspaper's TV column (New Haven Register, Joe
> >Amarante) ... ABC's China Beach [is] being cancelled.

The report I heard on Entertainment Tonight said that China Beach is
scheduled to return in March.

That's probably about how long Broken Badges will last.
--
Barry Margolin, Thinking Machines Corp.

barmar@think.com
{uunet,harvard}!think!barmar

In article <11718@milton.u.washington.edu>, cloud9@milton.u.washington.edu (Robert Fovell) writes...

} Another poster has mentioned the lineup on the soundtrack album, and
} I noted that "The World Spins" was *not* on that. That was the song
} Cruise was singing right when the Giant appeared.

OK, for the record (one should excuse the expression), there have been, to
date, five of Julie Cruise's songs used in the show:

o  In the pilot, Julie and her band were playing at the Roadhouse (when the
   fight broke out), and they performed "Falling" and "The Nightingale".

o  In Episode #5, when Coop and the boys arrive at Jacques' cabin, the song
   playing on the turntable was "Into the Night".

o  At the Roadhouse in Episode #14, Cruise performed "Rockin' Back Inside
   My Heart" and "The World Spins".

All five songs are available on Cruise's FLOATING INTO THE NIGHT album.

"Falling" and "Into the Night" *only* are also on the Soundtrack album.

-- "I can't die yet. I haven't seen THE JOLSON STORY." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <1990Nov26.112155.1@si151a.llnl.gov>, brinkman@si151a.llnl.gov writes...

} I have read before that the Twin Peaks sound track lists the name Bob (no
} last name) under special thanks. I thought this was interesting so I
} checked out the liner notes from the cassette version and found the name
} Bob Iger (the ABC programming dude) listed amoung many others but no other
} Bob's. I have forgotten who first posted this observation, but could
} someone please tell me what version (i.e. CD or albumn) of the soundtrack
} gives special thanks to Bob?

ARRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!

It's *not* the Soundtrack album!  It's Julee Cruise's FLOATING INTO THE NIGHT
that has the special thanks to "Bob". FITN and the Soundtrack are completely
different albums.

-- "I can't die yet. I haven't seen THE JOLSON STORY." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <1990Nov26.164034.1@si151a.llnl.gov>, brinkman@si151a.llnl.gov writes...

} This brings up an interesting point, though. In the dream sequence, Laura
} touched her nose with her right index finger. When Harry brings Cooper
} to meet the Bookhouse Boys it turns out that this same gesture is the
} secret signal of the Bookhouse Boys.  Coincidence?????  Hmmmmmm...

Coincidence?  No.

Incorrect?  Yes.

The BB's "hi sign" is *NOT* a tap on the side of the nose. They brush their
index finger down across the temple.

-- "I can't die yet. I haven't seen THE JOLSON STORY." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

Yes, yes, yes.  I have very much been thinking along the lines that Bob
is a darker side of Leland.  I was so excited to see someone else post it
it that I'm actually responding for the first time after reading _thousands_ of
posts.  
I do think Bob is a manifestation of a darker repressed evil sexual
violent psyche that is associated with the woods the primitive the savage.
This sort of Jungian shadow beast encompasses power and witches wisdom
and understanding (Chicana author Gloria Anzaldua expands on this notion in her
book Borderlands, has anyone read it? It encompasses both the wise and the 
hunter owl. This way of looking at it works well with the child abuse metaphor. 
So far we've seen this darker side mostly through Bob, but I think it's
a collective unconscious as well.  There has certainly been lots of other
material evils set up, so that I can see the show getting more complex as it
continues to further explore the shadow beast psyches of Laura, Ben, etc..
Can't wait for tonight's show-
Sara Koopman

In the Detroit Free Press "TV Week" for next week has two of the most
horrendous spoilers I've ever seen in a TV magazine.  They're for the
12/8 episode.  Usually I can read spoilers without changing my
enjoyment of an episode, but these really will blow away some of
tonight's (12/1) episode and the 12/8 episode.  To forestall lots of
email I will put it below some blanks and a ^L, but trust me: you'd
rather not know.




























Here they are:

"Cooper and Truman say goodbye; a wake is held for Leland"
-- "I was talking about what it takes to be a real critic, not a critic wannabe." -- Mike Godwin, rec.arts.comics critic

In article <16087@bfmny0.BFM.COM> tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes:

> >  I just think the Peaks people were sloppy on continuity between seasons.

  I have a tough time believing that a change in Leland's hair color can be
  attributed entirely to sloppy continuity.  I prefer to believe  it 
  signifies that the division between the "BOB-ness" and the "Leland-ness"
  of our favorite 1940's dance king is crumbling.  Not that I entirely under-
  stand the nature of that division in the first place.

  But hey, maybe we find out tonight!

  And maybe I'll spontaneously burst into flames....


  Tom Streeter
  streeter@athena.cs.uga.edu

You say that BOB is just a darker side of Leland, and not an inhabiting
spirit.  I find this hard to believe.  In the diary, BOB says many things
 as he "talks" to Laura.  Are you saying that Leland's darker side went
into Laura's bedroom, sat next to her and wrote in her diary at the same time
she did?  I seriously doubt Laura would have allowed him to do that.  BOB
must have been inhabiting Laura when they both wrote in the diary.  He must
have let her have partial control of herself while she was writing.

-JHarvey
jh6g+@andrew.cmu.edu
"Twin Peaks at 9:30am?  Someone wake me up!"

Spoilers in the NYT TV guide for the 12/8 episode. These are real
spoiler spoilers so be warned and read on only if you're sure.



According to the episode description "Cooper says goodbye to Truman. The
town people hold a wake for Leland. And Hank takes eric hunting in Canada".

What does this mean? Cooper cannot just get up and go away because that's
sure to kill Twin Peaks. Also Apparently Leland dies either in today's
episode or in the next one. This raises the possibility of a showdown involving
Bob, Leland and Cooper in which either Leland kills himself to escape from
Bob or gets killed (by Cooper?) in the process of doing something that only
Bob would do. And what happens to Bob? 

Anyway, this is one of the worst spoilers I've seen so far. I guess I'll
just have to live with it!

Hardeep.

-- In a recent survey 100% of the respondents responded yes to the question "are you being asked to respond to a survey". From this we conclude that the entire population of the United States was responding to a survey at that time.

In article <13700059@hpscdc.scd.hp.com> bobk@hpscdc.scd.hp.com (Bob Kelley) writes:
> >
> >Notice that the way Leland shakes when Cooper approaches him from 
> >behind is exactly the same as the way the midget was shaking in the
> >beginning of Coopers dream.  Then Leland dances ... an exact parallel
> >to the activities of the midget in the dream.
> >
> >I am beginning to believe that the midget in Cooper's dream is the 
> >spirit of Leland, one that is separate from Bob.

Could be.
The dwarf seems to be in control of Laura/Maddy and to relish that control.
It could be that the real Leland is somehow stunted and less than he
should have been.
The curtain is like the line between what we see and what is really going
on.  It is the line between physical and spiritual reality.
 
a.h.

In article <1990Dec1.154940.26671@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:
> >In the Detroit Free Press "TV Week" for next week has two of the most
> >horrendous spoilers I've ever seen in a TV magazine.

Well, wait a minute. Judging from what we've seen as previews for other
episodes, these 'spoilers' are ambiguous to say the least. Remember Maddie
leaves Twin Peaks? Does anyone have info on who supplies these little
blurbs? With the normal ambiguities we've seen, I'd almost think they're
prepared by TP people and 'are not what they seem'....


-- A little bit of uh huh and a whole lot of oh yeah. T. Flynn 2967 N Oakland Ave #300 Milwaukee WI 53211/(414)962-0129/(414)229-5370

csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave Mack) / 10:58 pm  Nov 24, 1990 /

> > On the other hand, the diary strongly suggests that Laura was BOB -
> > his entries in the diary in the middle of hers. Maybe Leland reached
> > over her shoulder and wrote that stuff in without her noticing? Nah.

I don't dismiss the possibility that BOB wrote his entries in Laura's diary
when she was present as easily as you do. For some reason, I have had this
very vivid image in my mind ever since I read the diary where BOB *is* leaning
over her shoulder, writing entries in her diary, while Laura is either 1)
incapacitated in the same way Sarah Palmer was incapacitated while Maddy was
being killed or 2) unable to recognize BOB as Leland because of some kind of
mental block which prevents her from seeing the devastating truth that her
father was BOB. For some reason, this image is very frightening to me; I
think it's because it plays on our tendencies to deny painful truths or
because it shows how powerful one person's influence over another *can* be.

Mark Collier

Would some one please post step-by step instructions on how to
reconstruct the stack in the pub/twin-peaks directory of
freebie.engin.umich.edu.  I've ftp'ed the four parts down to a
Mac in binary mode, but StuffIt, UnStuffIt, Extractor, etc.
don't allow me to open them.  Thanks both to those who made the
stack available and to those who answer this message.

--
---
  _______
 |   |   |  Milind Sudhakar Pandit
 |  ###  |
 |   #   |  Head of Research
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In article <1990Dec1.050725.1302@alembic.acs.com>, csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave Mack) writes:
> > Oops. Circular reasoning, Tom. *BOB* killed Banks, Laura and Maddy.
> > No proof yet that he was in Leland at the time. We don't know Leland's
> > blood type, but there's a reasonable chance that it's the same as
> > Laura's which, as you'll recall, was *not* the same as the killer's.
> > We don't know if he has an alibi for the night of Laura's death.

If you want to stick to what we know, Leland (or BOB in Leland) definitely
killed Maddy, and we don't know if BOB killed Teresa Banks.  No, a father's
blood type is not necessarily (or even frequently) the same as his daughters.
Here I'm using "blood type" in its fully general sense: we care about
blood types, O, A, B, AB, and Rh + or - for blood donations, but there
are many other blood factors that are used for identification.  The blood
test in no way clears Leland.

As for the people claiming Leland's white hair is a continuity error,
Ray Wise says he must bleach his hair more than once a week to keep
the dark roots from showing.  He's working very hard to preserve this
hair color.  How can anyone think it's some random continuity error?
Gack.

I believe that BOB never inhabits anyone but Leland, and I doubt that BOB
is exactly what the one-armed man says he is (although he may be).

--
Joe Buck
jbuck@galileo.berkeley.edu {uunet,ucbvax}!galileo.berkeley.edu!jbuck

From a FOAF at ABC - 12/8 Twin Peaks Episode

Cooper and Truman exchange goodbyes; a wake is held for Leland Palmer; Dougie
Milford, publisher of the Twin Peaks Gazette, twists the ear of his brother,
Mayor Milford; Hank takes Ernie off on an impromptu "hunting trip" to Canada;
Dr. Jacoby and Ed Hurley persuade the vice principal to allow Nadine to finish
high school; Bobby borrows some duds from Leo; Catherine pays a visit to the
sheriff's station; Tremayne embraces fatherhood; an FBI agent comes to town
with unpleasant business for Cooper; and Audrey divulges her ice cream
preference to a newfound friend, on "Twin Peaks," airing Saturday, Dec 8 (10:00
- 11:00 p.m. ET), on the ABC Television Network.

Diane, it is 11:20.  Although I am quite sure that a few 'freaks will
have posted before me, none of those post-12/1 pre-mine posts have reached us
yet.
 
 
There is only one thing I can state with certainty: this was the most
revelatory episode we have yet seen; also the most important.

More happened in 60 minutes than I could have believed possible.  Most
fascinating was the Frost & Co. gave us _Real Answers_ to the questions we have
been posting here recently.  The Leland Killed Laura folks were totally right,
although I cannot remember a post which combined "Robertson" and "children of
Bob"-- correct me if I am wrong.

Things to resolve: how Tojimura/Catherine got a $5M cashier's check? 
What's with Josie-- will she return?  What of Hank?  ...and many other
questions, most of which will be asked and answered much more eloquently than I
could put it!

-- David Konerding, Wesleyan University "It's a Scottish thane. You wouldn't understand." -- MacBeth DKONERDING@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU "I have a cause: obscenity. I'm for it." -- Tom Lehrer

Be forwarned spoilers follow:

Oh yeh this message assumes you've seen the 12/1 episode...

Ok I just saw the episode... and Bob is indeed inside Leland.
But he doesn't stay there! And Leland really did feel terrible remorse
at killing Laura -- just before he goes towards the light... But where
did Bob go? Into the owls!?

Things that I found neat in this episode:

The giant re-appears and holds out his hand and there's Cooper's ring,
then he dissappears and the ring starts falling to the floor... nice touch.

I also liked the tie in of Cooper's dream and Laura's. The midget represents
Leland for sure... the one who dances incessantly.

Bob surely represents the evil that men do (I think that is what The Major
said). And I doubt if 'Bob' will ever be caught...

One more thing, I've never seen Cooper involuntarily shrink back from anyone.
He did when Bob mentioned the knives in Chicago. This definitely was a
surprise.

I just wonder where TP will go from here...

From: robert@informix.com (robert coleman)

[stuff deleted]
*Error 1: If you read the above paragraph carefully, you'll see that
*men and women are victims of spousal abuse and spousal murder at roughly equal
*levels. This would not correspond well to your claim that violence against men
*is almost never perpetrated by women, unless you feel that husbands almost
*never beat their wives.
*
*Error 2: The people ( men and women ) who perform acts of violence upon
*others is a small minority of society as a whole. If you want to refer to this
*violent minority as "society" you can certainly do so, but any claims you make 
*about "society" in general afterwards are worthless.
*
*Error 3: Even if your biased viewpoint was correct, and this minority
*really did represent society as a whole, the paragraph you commented on
*suggests that this minority performs far more violence upon men than women. If,
*say, 10% of murder victims being women leads you to believe that "society" is
*misogynistic, what does the fact that 90% of murder victims are men lead you to
*believe? That "society" hates men 9 times as much as it hates women?

Error 4:  This does not belong on alt.tv.twin-peaks.

After this (12/1) episode, the role of the spirits takes center stage.  Now We
all know WHO KILLED LAURA PALMER, which body he was in at the time, If Leland
knew what was going on and more, but nothing seems to be solved, and I sure
don't feel satisfied about the "solutions" presented.  There is so much more
happening in twin-peaks besides WKLP:  The corruption in the town, the
Jame-Donna affair, the Andy-Lucy-Dick (what kind of a name is THAT) triangle,
Coop's ex partner (whoise name escapes me), What Major Briggs _really_ does,
what flavor ice cream Ben and Jerry will come up with next (whoever noticed
that one-good job), Nadine's strasnge behavior and how it fits in, and much,
_much_ more  .
Behind the scenes on all of this is the role of the spirits.  They seem to be
connected to the woods(through Margaret's log, F.E.) and nature, and are
clearly divided into two groups at least.  I think that they are powerful,
but they do have their limitations,.  especially the good guys, who sometimes
come across as helpless, as in the night of Maddy's murder.  There is some
sort of old struggle going on there centered around the woods ( actuslly I
feel it should be The Woods) and some sort of evil lurking there. 
Limitations:  they seem to need human hosts, especially to interact
physically with human beings, and they definitely are not omnipotent.  Idon't
think we have to worry about BOB inhabiting the whole town at once, for
example.  I also don't think it is an unfair plot twist to have spirits
responsible for the murders, because they were introduced to us way [ sy]
back , and aren't pulled out of a sleeve.  I gather we'll hear some griping
about that.  a lot of bad mystery books will box themselves into a corner
with their plots, and to get out of it will bring someone or something in
from left-field at the last page, and none of the suspects are actually
involved.  This is not the case here - the spirit world is on the suspect
list and has been for a while.
I for one, am not satisfied with Leland's capture and confession - I want
BOB!  I hope that We will get to see Coop track down BOB and destroy him in a
very painful way that he learned in Tibet.  Leland's grief was so real, when
BOB left him and he realized what he had done.  I will miss him very much.
I hope we get to see what's going on with Sarah, who has now lost her husband
as well as he r daughter.  
> >Daniel

In article <1990Dec1.232016.36350@eagle.wesleyan.edu> 
dkonerding@eagle.wesleyan.edu (GNUs not Usenet) writes:

> >been posting here recently.  The Leland Killed Laura folks were totally right,
> >although I cannot remember a post which combined "Robertson" and "children of
> >Bob"-- correct me if I am wrong.

Glad to.  I noticed that "Robertson" could be interpreted as "son of
Bob" way back when Leland first mentioned "Robertson".  I posted it
here.  Of course, I also thought that the dwarf was at One-Eyed Jacks,
so my track record is poor.  But this time, I was right on the money.


Things I didn't like about 12-1's episode:

For once, the show was starting to look like a mystery- everything
fit nicely, Catherine's role in proving Ben's innocence, Leland's
false information  about Maddy, it would have been nice to see some
actual police work instead of that nonsense with summoning the giant.
The mysticism of the scene didn't bug me so much as the
deus-ex-machina of it all.  Of course this way, Catherine's even
better off, since she can remain incognito, and not worry about
testifying.  Having her cake and eating it too.

Does anyone else feel like there's a lot of reverse engineering going
on hee?  That is to say, fitting the story around various Lynchian
indulgences.  I have a hard time believing that the goal of the
"dancing dwarf" was to point to Leland as a killer.  Also, the "golden
ring" bit seemed similarly contrived.  One gets the impression that
Lynch throws in various odd stuff, and the rest of the writers and
directors try to come up with reasonable explanations.  

My totally random guess for Bob's next host?  Audrey.  Fits in nicely
with that rumor we heard that she would soon meet a mysterious new
man.  Also seems "right" with regard to her rivalry with Laura for Ben
Horne's affections.  Leo would make an interesting choice too, since
he seems "empty", and it would fit in perfectly with Cooper's rock
throwing, which I believe, implicated Leo...

All in all, I was happy with the episode - a lot was cleared up, now a
new set of plots can begin in earnest with the starting off point of
Bob's new host.

- Dan Parmenter

Greetings and salutations...

    I personally think that this last episode was one of the best yet.
However, i didn't get any new pictures from it.  I was too busy trying
to track down a vcr so i could keep my collection continuous.  I didn't 
manage to get a vcr, but that's not really important.  I really need tp
to end soon, simply so i can put in on a shelf and hide it away for
about 10 years.  I don't think i can cope with it much longer.  

    I have been having a great time with the computer pictures of twin
peaks scenes, and have been receiving a lot of support.  I get 
approximately 15-20 pieces of e-mail a day regarding the pictures.  
Much of this is thanks for doing it, or requests for help instead.  
Here's some answers to some commonly asked  questions about the pictures.

The pictures are available from freebie.engin.umich.edu (141.212.68.23)
via anonymous ftp in the directory /pub/twin-peaks.
To get them, you have to have ftp available at your site.  It goes 
something like this:
type:
> >ftp freebie.engin.umich.edu  (<<<the numbers can be substituted for this..)
it will reply something that may be like:
> >Connected to freebie.engin.umich.edu.
> >220 freebie FTP server (Ultrix Version 4.10 Mon Nov 7 15:52:11 EST 1988) >ready.Name (freebie.engin.umich.edu:your-username):
send anonymous as your username
> >331 Guest login ok, send ident as password.
> >Password:  
send your e-mail address for a password
> >230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply.
> >ftp>
type cd /pub/twin-peaks
> >ftp> cd /pub/twin-peaks
> >250 CWD command successful.
> >ftp>
type ls (or dir)
this will give you a listing of that directory...
type get README to start
type binary (or tenex) to make sure they are transferred correctly...
use cd to change directory to where the files actually are
mget *.gif can be used to get more than one file
when you are done type close and then quit
type ctrl-c to abort a command...
.. if you have trouble.. find someone else who knows what they are doing...


I have also had a lot of requests to mail/post the files, because many 
of you dont have ftp access.  Unfortunately, I don't have time to do this.
Perhaps someone else on the net may volunteer????... please?...
this involved uuencodeing as well as splitting it up...

as for viewers... i really don't know.. i picked .gif becuase that seemed
to be the most common format.. it's not easy to convert them to gif...
but they are of little use to anyone unconverted.  They are in 24 bit 
color, but in a strange format resulting from Parallax video graphics 
boards.  I use various programs on athena ( a unix system with both 
ibm rt's and dec vax's...as well as a few others tossed in...)  including
xloadimage.. which i understand is available.. along with many others..
i use cshow (compuserve's show) for my ibm and it works pretty well...
there are viewers for macs as well..  ask around, find someone who knows
what they are talking about ( i certainly don't)...

as for specific pictures.. i have had a lot of requests... however...
i have to then find someone with a vcr that i can lug down to the 
computer room with the computers that can save pictures.  I think we'll
also start to lose even more quality then.. but i'm not sure... right
now i save them as i watch it...

I have no idea how long the files can stay at this site, so i'd advise you
to get them and save them, because they are liable to disappear.. 
I have almost no disk storage of my own and hanging on to all this
information (over 3meg compressed as far as i can get it...) has been 
quite a battle.. and i think i'm losing... 

the following are in the directory /pub/twin-peaks/11-10-90
these are from the 11-10-90 episode..
as of 11-25-90 they were all redone.. so take another
look..

arrest.gif          commbreak.gif       horse.gif           norma.gif
audrey.gif          cooper.gif          laura.gif           shelly.gif
audrey2.gif         cruise.gif          laura_bw.gif        sherrif.gif
ben_and_audrey.gif  diary.gif           leo.gif             waterfall.gif
bob.gif             finger.gif          mikediscussion.gif
bobby.gif           giant.gif           murder.gif
cafe.gif            harold.gif          nadine.gif


the following are in the directory /pub/twin-peaks/11-17-90 
these are from the 11-17-90 episode...

BOB2.gif            maddy.gif
cooper-diane.gif    jerry.gif           normas_parents.gif
diane.gif           lynch-frost.gif


be sure to download them in binary format...
read the README file becuase i update it regularly...

Someone else also has been able to put the mac sound files up there.. but
i don't know much about them.. so maybe someone can e-mail me that info..
(i have access to a mac.. but i'd like to see some source of the remac 
program or some other way to run them on an IBM...).. 

Well... due to a lot of reasons.. 99.9% of them being completely personal..
(such as having end of term and finals coming up.. among other things...)
i am going to put this project away for the time being.  Come january, 
i'll have to see, but i might be able to do a little more work with this.

   Thanks for everyone's support, and i apologize for not answering
everyone's e-mailed questions.  Let's hope i can get back to this.

              HAVE A DAY
                 -darrin

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In article <1990Dec1.232016.36350@eagle.wesleyan.edu> dkonerding@eagle.wesleyan.edu (GNUs not Usenet) writes:
> >There is only one thing I can state with certainty: this was the most
> >revelatory episode we have yet seen; also the most important.

Agreed.

> >although I cannot remember a post which combined "Robertson" and "children of
> >Bob"-- correct me if I am wrong.

Someone here did make the "son of Robert" connection.  Hats off to
whoever you are.

> >Things to resolve: how Tojimura/Catherine got a $5M cashier's check? 
> >What's with Josie-- will she return?  What of Hank?  ...and many other
> >questions, most of which will be asked and answered much more eloquently than I
> >could put it!

...and Who Shot Cooper?

-- Scott Amspoker | Basis International, Albuquerque, NM | "I'm going out for a sandwich" (505) 345-5232 | - Ben unmvax.cs.unm.edu!bbx!bbxsda!scott |

Help!  Yes, I am relatively new to Twin Peaks (the first episode I saw was
11/17 and then tonights).  Although I did follow tonight's episode somewhat
(well as much as one could despite the level of weirdness), I found that I
didn't really know many of the characters (i.e. who is this Dick guy anyway).
So, if someone would be kind enough to e-mail me a list of characters, that'd
be great (brief descriptions would also be greatly appreciated).  Thanks.


--
______________________________________________________________________________
-- David Alas   alas@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
"If you pick up a starving dog and make it prosperous, it will not bite you.
This is the principal difference between a dog and a man."-- Mark Twain

Greetings. I have a question to ask of you all. Don't
flame me but there are some people who enjoy watching
TP but have limited time (read:school) and have problems
with TP characters' names. I watch TP whenever I have time
to program the VCR. I have never seen enough of TP to 
figure out who Maddy is... I'm not kidding :-( The
log-lady, perhaps. But which one is MIKE (One armed man??)
or who does BOB "possess"??

Is there, perhaps, a book or a poster that has photos
of all the TP characters with their names? Anyone?

My only reference is the issue of TIME where they interview
Lynch...

Take care.

P.S. It's frustrating to read this group and have no
clear idea what you people are talking about....

First of all I would like to agree with the last poster that this was a real,
heavy duty mind blowing episode!  Well, So much for Coop being in the dark;
he managed to pull everything together into place, and figure out what had
been going on in 5 minutes f;lat.
Any doubts that Senor DroolCup is the Giant's host seem to have vanished -
THUMBS UP!
Question:  Why did Cooper have Ed, Bobby, Leo (and was there someone else?)
brought in besides the cops and Ben (to set up Leland) and Leland/BOB
himself?  What purpose did that serve?

Now that BOB is flying around looking for a new "vehicle" I wonder where he
will show up...







My favorite theory, which I cannot take full credit for but enjoy anyway, is
that BOB will look for the past of least resistance and end up at the lowest
point available - in Leo's head.  After all, right now There's noooooobody
home!@  We have also been getting all sorts of hints that Leo will be coming
back to life, with "New Shoes!" and moving/spitting/spitting up/smiling.  I
know that this seems a little obvious, and more fitting for a regular TV
show, which I would never watch anyway, but Leo was deeply involved with
Laura.  This according to the diary wa s something BOB was not happy wiyh, so
he would have a good opportunity to take some of his frustration out on LEO
and Bobby.  Something else I just thought of is that he might pick James,
thereby getting close to Donna, and finishing off what Leland started.  This
would give the character of James some more depth than he has had so far, and
if he plays his cards right, a very good disguise.

Anyone notice that when we saw BOB tonight, even before Leland was nabbed, he
was looking particularly demented - tremblig face, awful grimaces - nothing
at all like the smiling animal grin that we know so well??  When Leland was
alone with Donna (whose playing with [cigarrette] fire], BOB-in-the-mirror
looked almost like he was in pain, and his whole face wass shaking.  He was
not in good shape.
Sleep tight Y'all.....
> >daniel

In article <1990Nov30.153735.17329@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:

> >There is a christmas poet poem, probably the night before Christmas, in which
> >the jolly old elf touches his finger aside his nose and up the chimney he
> >goes.  It seems to have been a commonly understood sign meaning: This is a
> >secret between you and I.

I was thinking about this the other day. It gives new meaning to Mike
Kaye's Santa Claus was Laura's secret lover theory. ;-)
-- c2h5oh@ucscb.ucsc.edu | "The forces of evil can marshal even | more support than the forces of good, | especially when pizza is served."

Yet another revealing episode and I can't see it (yet).  I've seen the
entire first season (which is now at 1002 here in Sweden) and I'm now
trying to patch together what's happening in season 2 from all these
articles. It'll take a while before we get to see it, and I want to be
up-to-date with season 2.

So, is anyone writing a synopsis notes for the second season?
Or any kind of summary of events per episode?

I know there's a synopsis written for the first season as well as a
Hypercard stack which I've got. Any work being done on similar things
for season #2?

If anyone is taking notes, could he/she/it mail them to me?

--
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Greetings, fellow Twin Peaks fans!  

Would some kind soul please send me a transcript of Cooper's message 
to Leland just before Leland died?  The description of the white light etc.

Advanced thanks.


Lee Qiao  (lqiao@watdragon.waterloo.edu)

I have a new nominee for best line, if someone hasn't beat me to it.

I cannot quote verbatim; I only heard it once.

Cooper's mini-speech about "methodology"-- including the "Tibetan
method" and "magic" was wonderful.

I think it summed up the entire ideal of Twin Peaks-- at least, it
included _what_ made Cooper the interesting person he was, and it showed the
viewers _what_ just so happened to be going on in Twin Peaks town.

-- David Konerding, Wesleyan University : You really think I go here? Yeah. Right. DKONERDING@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU "I have a cause: obscenity. I'm for it." -- Tom Lehrer

About the most recent episode:

I'm not usually a director-basher but I was honestly
annoyed by the pacing and photography in this episode. The director
didn't seem to be into the spirit of the writing.
Cooper was photographed from so many odd angles I expected to see
him upside down next. And the scene at the roadhouse was unmagical.
 
The long, slow opening scene with the Cooper gang walking was
attractive but indicated a 'pedestrian' episode.
Much of the hours seemed like an effort to cram information in.
After the long, slow delicate buildup the  final answer to the question
of Who Killed Laura Palmer was too abrupt.
 
But there were things I really liked in this episode, such as the utterly
un-mystical looking woman who replaced the Tremondes.
And the emotional undercurrents at play in Dick Tremaine.
I think Dick is starting to feel competitive about the baby. 
He may actually try to outshine Andy as the better
man.
 
And some new mysteries have been added to keep us guessing.
What happened to Cooper in Pittsburg and how did BOB know about it?
And why did Leland refer to 'them' wanting Laura?
 
ann hodgins

In article <JCTTD8G@cs.swarthmore.edu> dup94@campus.swarthmore.edu writes:
> >I hope that We will get to see Coop track down BOB and destroy him in a
> >very painful way that he learned in Tibet.  

Cooper's never been to Tibet.

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Darn" -- George Bush

In article <1990Nov25.210304.3862@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
> >   It might help to have a handicap--- say no nose and one leg.

So it really depends... how determined *are* you?  :-)


-- Bernie Roehl, University of Waterloo Electrical Engineering Dept Mail: broehl@watserv1.waterloo.edu OR broehl@watserv1.UWaterloo.ca BangPath: {allegra,decvax,utzoo,clyde}!watmath!watserv1!broehl Voice: (519) 885-1211 x 2607 [work]

A while ago I posted a theory that the "spirits" typically occupy people who
are somehow not whole - Jerrard (drug addict/I think his arm went after Mike
arrived), Senior Drool-Cup (ding-dong nobody home) and Leeland (my
tongue-in-cheek oberservation that he was a lawyer and thus morally impared
seems to be verified by BOB's comment that Leeland had a hole where his
conscience should be).

Anyway, now that BOB is looking for another host I would guess that he
is looking for another broken person - and what better person than the
extremely-violent-in-the-first-place Leo Johnson.  My guess as the the
main plot-line is that Leo is posessed by BOB, comes back and starts
some serious BOB/Leo activity directed towards Shelly and that little
shit Bobby Briggs.

This seems to be hinted at by the teasers at the end of the 12/1 show when
Leo is shown with Bobby or Shelly saying "he moved".

Yours in anticipation of Bobby getting his just desserts

Steve Austin

As Dave Letterman might say: "It took THREE people to write this?"

And as I might add: "We had to wait TWO weeks to see it?"

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amanda@wam.umd.edu (Amanda Lynn Babcock) writes:

> > This episode was so bad!! Cute camera angles substituted for genuine artistry
> > melodramatic cr*p substituted for deep emotional impact, all the subtlety of
> > a sledgehammer pounding the viewers' brains to bathos-riddled mush. Watching 
> > was torture!!
> > 
Oh boy, gln has a pseudonym :-) :-) :-) :-)

Well, anyway, I thought it was magnificent. If I were the type to cry at 
movies, I woulda been sputtering endlessly at Cooper's speech. I woulda 
never thought that Leland could have been made sympathetic again.

It's weird, thinking that TP has been extended, because this feels like a 
final episode. Where do they go from here?

I understand that the director, Tim Hunter, made the movie <River's 
Edge>. Next free evening I have, I gotta rent it.

Joe Zitt...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

dup94@campus.swarthmore.edu writes:

> > Question:  Why did Cooper have Ed, Bobby, Leo (and was there someone else?)
> > brought in besides the cops and Ben (to set up Leland) and Leland/BOB
> > himself?  What purpose did that serve?
It seems to me that the assembled included all the suspects that were 
still alive or in town, plus Major Briggs (who gave SDCTWMDRSW a ride) 
and Bookhouse Boy Ed. I woulda expected the Log Lady and Joey Paulsen to 
have been there, but nope... (unless I missed Joey).

Two glitches: Coop(?) said that Maddie's body had been found 2 days 
earlier, though it was only one episode ago. This is a second glitch in 
the 1 day, 1 episode scheme (the last 2 episode of Season 1 being the 
other.)

The elder Mrs Tremond would not have been the younger Mrs Tremond's 
mother, but her mother->in-law<. And the Kreamed Korn Kid might not have 
been the younger Mrs Tremond's son, but her nephew....

...assuming of course that they existed in the first place.

Joe Zitt...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

jet@karazm.math.uh.edu (J. Eric Townsend) writes:

> > They had the *perfect* chance to examine the horrible world of
> > child abuse.  It seemed to me that here we were going to have an
> > indepth (if not Lynchian-quirky) examination of the sort of thing
> > that goes on with families of abuse -- Leland/Maddie, Ben/Audrie,
> > etc etc. Here was the sort of thing that never happens to "good
> > people" -- child molestation, murder, drug abuse -- but that statistics
> > show happens across the board, regardless of social class or location.
> > This would be L/F's chance to show why it is that sooo many people
> > are sooo fucked up.*
Well, gee, J. Eric is upset because Twin Peaks turns out to be a 
supernatural thriller, rather than a show about a particular social 
problem. Sounds like tunnel vision to me... Once someone gets the idea 
that a thing is should be about his/her pet problem, everything gets 
viewed like from that view.

Next thing you know, we'll get posting that ST:TNG is crap becuase it 
hasn't covered AIDS, The Simpsons are a waste because they don't have any 
minority children in the family, and Finnegans Wake is a Bad Thing 
because it attacks our Mother Tongue.

Don't worry, there's probably a nice alternate universe out there 
somewhere where TP follows your dictates, rather than those of 
Lynch/Frost.

Remember...
        IT'S ONLY A TV SHOW
        IT'S ONLY A TV SHOW
        IT'S ONLY A TV SHOW...
                                ...not a social service docudrama.
/a

Joe Zitt...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

I took for granted that Coop's been to Tibet, since it keeps springing up in
conversations, both on and off the show.  See "tibetan methods" 12/1.
Please enlighten me: What _is_ Coop's connection to Tibet?

> >Daniel

I'm not usually one to complain because TP hasn't gone the way I
wanted it to, but I have to say that I'm very dissappointed in
Leland's apparent death, mostly because I feel the writers completely
missed the boat on a host of possible plotline extensions that would
have been very TP in character.

By way of explanation, I've sketched out my ideas with some basic
scenes and images that would carry my plot along.  If you're not
really interested in reading total speculation, hit "N" now.


Here's how I might have handled the Leland developments from the time
of the sprinkler incident on --- let me know what you think:


Leland freaks and starts hitting his head (as happened) when BOB
departs and realization of what he's done comes crashing down.  He
snaps completely;  has to be restrained in a straightjacket.  Owl
scene makes it clear BOB has fled Leland.

Many scenes of Leland sobbing, laughing, catatonically rocking back
and forth.

Scene:  Sarah visits L. awaiting trial, spits in his face.

Later:  L. comes to trial.  Aquitted by reason of insanity; compulsory
confinement to a sanitarium for treatment.  

Coop leaves TP.  The other plots carry on for the rest of the season.
Occasional scenes of Coop riding a desk, staring out the window at a
convenient evergreen, obviously wondering about BOB, missing TP.

Scene:  intern comes into L.'s rubber room in the asylum.  Close up on
the medication he's giving L.:  a syringe of blue liquid.

Scene:  intern lets a doctor into the room with L.  Camera pans to the
doctor, and we're startled to realize that it's a cleanshaven Philip
Gerard wearing a false arm and a labcoat.

  Intern:  "Don't be long --- we can't afford to get caught."

  Gerard:  "This won't take long."

  Leland:  (crying)

  Gerard:  "I've come to bring you a warning..."

  Leland:  (looks up, startled and curious)

What *do* they talk about?

Night scene:  owl perched on the windowsill of L.'s room at the
asylum, looking in at L.'s sleeping form.  We hear very sound
processed, eerie BOBlaughter.

Scene:  L. in the asylum, frantically looking back and forth.  He
senses something or someone in the cell, but can't see it.  Cut to BOB
leaning in the corner, grinning.  He walks around Leland, chuckling.
Leland tries desperately to see what it is he senses, but can't.

"I know you're here!!!!"

(BOB can't enter L. again because of the drug but can still "feed" off
his pain and torment and guilt)

--- The following scenes make up what I envision as the season finale,
    or at least the re-introduction at some point of the BOB plot. 

    In my mind, this should take place chronologically a year or two
    after the original murders.  Leland is still confined, but is much
    better with the exception of occasional bouts of crying and
    terrible nightmares for which he's being given medication. ---


Scene:  Leland and Laura reconcile.  Nighttime --- Leland asleep, moon
with storm clouds.  Dream, obviously.  Leland "wakes" in his cell (in the
dream --- or is it a dream?)  to the sound of Ethel Merman playing
very, very faintly.  A little girl voice can be heard humming softly
along.  Laura is standing in the corner, smiling at him.

   Leland:  (crying) Laura, dear Jesus, Laura my baby, I'm sorry,
            I'm so sorry, so sorry. (sobs)

   Laura:   It's okay Daddy, I'm free now, it's okay.  It wasn't you,
            you didn't hurt me, you never did.  

   Leland:  But I knew, I *knew*, God help me, I *knew*.  I could have
            done something, anything, I should have stopped him.

   Laura:   You can't stop him from inside.  That's what I found out.
    I couldn't fight him any more --- the only way I could win
            was to die.  It's okay, though --- I'm in a better place
    now, I'm free.

   Leland:  He's still here.  He's close.

   Laura:   I know.  That's why I'm here --- you're feeding him.  You
    have to stop --- you have to forgive yourself.  He's weak 
            without a host, but he's feeding, getting stronger, waiting.  

            He'll find someone else soon, someone he can open, someone
    to be inside.  You have to be ready.

   Leland:  Ready how?  For what?

   Laura:   I love you daddy.


Laura turns around, humming, opens the cell door, and walks out.
Leland awakes with a start.  The cell door, of course, is just
slightly open.  He doesn't notice the owl in the window.


Scene, same night.  Coop's bedroom in Washington, female figure in bed
beside him.  Dream sequence.  The room with red curtains again, but
with the Palmer house's furniture.  The giant is here.  The sound of a
record scratching on its center fills the air.

   Cooper:  The giant (whispered).  Is it you?  Are you really here?

   Giant:   It has been a long time.  Have you learned yet about the 
            music?

   Cooper:  What music?

   Giant:   It is always there.  (pause)  There is someone here to see
            you.

At this point a nattily attired Leland steps from behind the curtain
grinning largely, wholesomely.

   Leland:  (Enthusiastically)  Agent Cooper!  Gosh, am I glad to see
            you!  (extends his hand)

   Cooper:  (Shakes hand)  Leland, how are you?

   Leland:  I'm doing much better, Agent Cooper, much better.  I still
            have, um, moments that are pretty low, but I go on. 

   Cooper:  I'm glad, Leland.  You seem to be doing well.  I'm so
            sorry for you.  But I'm glad you're doing better.

   Leland:  (looks concerned)  Cooper, I have something for you.
            (fishes is pocket, produces a stick of gum which he
            hands to Coop.)  I almost forgot:

            (steps back)

            Through the long and silent night,
            the hiding demon sleeps
            and dreams a day to dream again
            when fire burns and weeps

    (chuckles)  How about that.  Don't have a clue what that
            means.  Well Cooper... (sticks a piece of gum in his
            mouth) ...off to the races!  (eerie, processed humming.)

   Cooper:  Wait! (but he's vanished) (C. turns to giant)  What does
            this mean?

   Giant:   There is a room in this place where he only may go.
            He has gone there to prepare.   I tell you now ---
            you also must prepare.  There is someone far away who
            is trying to reach you.  You will know very soon.

            When you go, find a heart still close to yours.  Listen
            to the words the water speaks.  And remember...

   Coop:    Remember what?

       (very weird, processed telephone rings shake the dream place)

   Giant:   Answer your phone.  The time has come when I must go.  We
            will speak again.

Cooper wakes to his phone ringing.  He answers it (moment of the Coop
one-sided mohawk).   Clock says 6:30.

   Coop:    This is Cooper.

   Caller:  Coop, it's Harry.  Harry Truman.  Thought you might want
            to know --- there's been another murder.  And Leland is
            missing from the sanitarium.

   Coop:    My god.  Harry, I'll be there as quick as I can.

   HST:     See you soon, then.  Hurry.  And Coop --- take care.

Coop hangs up.

   Female:  Dale, who was that?

   Coop:    A good friend.  I've got to go --- there's a problem.

   Female:  What problem?

Coop picks up the phone, dials.

   Coop:    (shouts)  Gordon, this is Cooper.  I'm going to need some
             time off.  I've got to go to Twin Peaks for a while.

End of the episode.  Next season develops:

Leland is not BOB now, but is "after" BOB.  BOB's new host is (but I
can't reveal that, can I ;)...

Cooper tracks Leland thinking Leland is the killer.  Laura dreams
plague him, giving him mysterious clues.  Audrey helps him.  Cooper
has a critical euphoric experience at the base of the waterfall while
sitting with Audrey.  Coop realizes Lelend != BOB, but feels that
Leland can lead him to him.

We learn more about the good vs. evil struggle in the spirit world
around Twin Peaks.

Eventually, Coop and Bookhouse Boys meet BOB and Leland at the old
Palmer summer home from Leland's childhood.

Of course, this leads to a final confrontation between Leland and BOB
itself, in which Leland somehow destroys BOB but is himself finally
destroyed, freeing his soul at last .

End of that season...  fades away with images of owls...




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 but it didn't seem to go through the net... reply to 
 jmork@plains.nodak.edu]


12/1 Comments evolving from the four of us on our weekly Twin Peaks party:

1.  Did anyone else think of "The Untouchables" (Costner-Connery...)
    when the four men were walking abreast in long coats?

2.  Does anyone think that *DICK* holding a long *erect* cigarette
    and asking Andy for a light which he didn't have as foreshadowing
    to a fact that Lucy was not impregnated by Andy?

3.  Does anyone have any speculation as to who >THEY< are (as refered
    to by Bob before triggering Leland's "suicide") ?  Evil in general...
    The Devil and his angels... etc...

4.  I was afraid Donna was toast too.  I got the impression of the
    ambiguous hazy scene of Donna as another step closer to Laura,
    especially in light of the sunglasses incident.

5.  Senor Drool Cup's "That gum you like is going to come back in
    style" and the appearance of the giant/"we need one more" is
    definite proof of the SDC/giant connection.  I also thought the
    pretext of LelaBob's mad gum chewing intriguing.

6.  What can be said of the non-existant grandmother and Harold's
    suicide note coinciding with the Boy Magician (BM's? :-))
    French statement.

7.  I think "the owls" had a double meaning.  The obvious was Leland's
    hooting.  The slightly less obvious was the last frame of the
    episode.  I infer from this that owls act as non-human interim
    hosts between humans.  I don't know that it has been made clear
    that Bob is locked in a human until death.  THE OWLS ARE NOT
    WHAT THEY SEEM means THEY ARE HOSTS FOR EVIL SPIRITS IN INTERIM.

8.  The reference to "remember that knife in Pittsburgh" may mean 
    that Coop has dealt with Bob before, but this may negate the
    theory that Bob has dwelt in Leland since his youth, because
    Cooper could not have been an agent since age 0 (Kyle M. is
    in real life about 31 and Ray... ? 45-50?)  If both cases are
    true, Bob may be able to switch hosts at will rather than
    at the death of the host.  Even if the knife incident was in
    Cooper's youth, Leland's youth would have occured before.

9.  Cooper's ushering of Leland into the netherworld was a bit
    silly to me.  I don't know how much significance it had.

10. James' comments to Donna seemed a little strange when he left
    her alone.

11. Bob isn't a very good candidate for the big brother program...
    He is a pretty nasty guy.

12. Because the average viewer doesn't have the collective intellect
    and synergy of this newsgroup, I think that we have a definite
    "one up" on the average viewer.  Few stones are left unturned, and
    few producers should expect such scrutiny unless their goal is the
    cult market represented by our collective and others like us. 
    Shows are made for money and ratings--mass appeal.  Because of the
    ultimate scrutinization by this group and the pieces falling together
    in 12-1, I think it is obvious that Leo will be the next host for Bob...
    I think Bobby may have numbered days... although new characters
    should be arriving soon to replace all of the bodies...

13. I was impressed with the many predictions that came true.  Coop
    gets his ring back... many others all fit together, but they
    escape me at the moment.  I think it can be assumed after this
    episode that Bob really grooves to 40's and 50's music.

14. Has Bob inhabited Wyndom Earle (sp) ?

15. I would really like to see a point-counterpoint discussion 
    of previous clues (and inferences that might have been made)
    regarding all of the previous episodes.  If people who have videotaped
    the whole thing could show the significance of certain things in
    the past that seemed insignificant at the time but have become
    important through the airing of this episode, I would find that 
    very enlightening.

James Mork
jmork@plains.nodak.edu

In article <1990Dec2.145610.229@watdragon.waterloo.edu> lqiao@watdragon.waterloo.edu (Lee Qiao) writes:
> >
> >Would some kind soul please send me a transcript of Cooper's message 
> >to Leland just before Leland died?  The description of the white light etc.
> >
> >Lee Qiao  (lqiao@watdragon.waterloo.edu)

I'm glad someone is keying in on this.  Coop's message to Leland was 
remarkably similar to the Tibetan Book of the Dead in its content.  
Namely the lama will speak to a person dying or just died to help
guide his/her soul through the confusion of the death experience into
the light of peace.  I was personally dumbstruck that we could witness
an enactment of such an incredibly profound thing.  This is good
television.  I'm going to go out and get another copy of the TBotD to
compare (having given away or lost my original one many years ago).
I decided that Coop is really a lama in FBI clothing.  Right On.

I second Lee's request for the transcript of the message.  Unfortunately
I have not been able to record any of this seasons shows.

Harry
(berggren@saturn.ucsc.edu) University of California, Santa Cruz
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> >In article <7632@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU> hjohar@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (hardeep) writes:
> >Spoilers in the NYT TV guide for the 12/8 episode. These are real
> >spoiler spoilers so be warned and read on only if you're sure.
> >
> >
> >According to the episode description "Cooper says goodbye to Truman. The
> >town people hold a wake for Leland. And Hank takes eric hunting in Canada".
> >
> >What does this mean? Cooper cannot just get up and go away because that's
> >sure to kill Twin Peaks.  

Speculation:  Truman leaves Twin Peaks to look for Josie.  Cooper
takes a leave of absence from the Bureau to serve as acting sheriff.
There has to be some device introduced to allow Cooper to remain in
Twin Peaks although I suppose whatever it is that Josie was
involved in might be within the FBI's purview.

Comment: As I think about what we've seen of Twin Peaks so far (and
the death of Leland and the liberation of BOB marks an obvious 
point of change in the show) it seems to me that its most compelling
imagery and characters are those that are most realistic.  As I recall,
the pilot episode from last season had only one supernatural event
(Sarah Palmer's vision of the gloved hand) and for me that show 
represents the high point of the series.  The murder of Maddy, 
as startling and disturbing as anything I've ever seen on
TV, was compelling because it was realistic.   The introduction of
supernatural elements as facts and not just as possibilities seems to
rob the whole enterprise of a great deal of its vitality and 
power; they're false to the ambiguity that drives the spirit 
of Twin Peaks.  They provide a neat resolution of certain plot
lines, but don't do much else.  At least for me.

In article <B8JkT2w163w@zitt> joe [Joe Zitt] writes:

> >The elder Mrs Tremond would not have been the younger Mrs Tremond's 
> >mother, but her mother->in-law<.

Really?  My last wife's name is the same as her mother's.  Even in
Twin Peaks some people have presumably moved out of the fifties. 

> >...assuming of course that they existed in the first place.

...or that the women in the spirit world always change their names
when they're married.

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Darn" -- George Bush

In article <12139@milton.u.washington.edu> mork@blake.u.washington.edu (David Mork) writes:
> >
> >3.  Does anyone have any speculation as to who >THEY< are (as refered
> >    to by Bob before triggering Leland's "suicide") ?  Evil in general...
> >    The Devil and his angels... etc...
> >
THEY are either other evil familiars or else other aliens, whichever
theory you wish to subscribe to. (IMHO of course).
> >
> >8.  The reference to "remember that knife in Pittsburgh" may mean 
> >    that Coop has dealt with Bob before, but this may negate the
> >
I seem to recall an episode a while back (I forget which) in which
there is a reference made to an incident which Cooper would just as
likely like to forget, involving a knife.  Was it Albert who made the
insinuation?  I can't remember all the facts--Anyone remember this?

> >9.  Cooper's ushering of Leland into the netherworld was a bit
> >    silly to me.  I don't know how much significance it had.
> >
I don't think this was silly at all.  I found it moving that despite
his terrible crimes (although via Bob), Leland was able to find peace
with himself and with Laura.  I also found it interesting from the
Tibetan Buddhist aspect.  As I said in another posting, I think Coop
qualifies as a "lay" lama.
> >
> >14. Has Bob inhabited Wyndom Earle (sp) ?
> >
And who is Wyndom Earle?  Forgive me for not recalling his connection
to the story.
> >

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In article <BPkkT3w163w@zitt> joe [Joe Zitt] writes:
> >jet@karazm.math.uh.edu (J. Eric Townsend) writes:
> >
>> >> They had the *perfect* chance to examine the horrible world of
>> >> child abuse.  It seemed to me that here we were going to have an
>> >> indepth (if not Lynchian-quirky) examination of the sort of thing
>> >> that goes on with families of abuse -- Leland/Maddie, Ben/Audrie,
>> >> etc etc. Here was the sort of thing that never happens to "good
>> >> people" -- child molestation, murder, drug abuse -- but that statistics
>> >> show happens across the board, regardless of social class or location.
>> >> This would be L/F's chance to show why it is that sooo many people
>> >> are sooo fucked up.*
> >Well, gee, J. Eric is upset because Twin Peaks turns out to be a 
> >supernatural thriller, rather than a show about a particular social 
> >problem. Sounds like tunnel vision to me... Once someone gets the idea 
> >that a thing is should be about his/her pet problem, everything gets 
> >viewed like from that view.
 
       I was disappointed too.  I know a number of people who believe in
demons. And once people get that idea, all other explanations for bad
behavior are discarded. People stop thinking. They stop using their imaginationsand they stop facing facts about themselves and others.
To come so close to confronting family abuse and to opt for a supernatural
explanation, that's a cop out to me.
 
However, if there needs to be some rapport between Bob and the person he
choses as a host then perhaps the psychological and spiritual explanations
can co-exist, at least for a while.
 
a.h.

In article <12139@milton.u.washington.edu> mork@blake.u.washington.edu (David Mork) writes:
> >[I am posting this from my brother's account...  It was posted once
> > but it didn't seem to go through the net... reply to 
> > jmork@plains.nodak.edu]
> >
> >
> >12/1 Comments evolving from the four of us on our weekly Twin Peaks party:
> >
> >1.  Did anyone else think of "The Untouchables" (Costner-Connery...)
> >    when the four men were walking abreast in long coats?
> >
                  Yes, I thought of that right away. What a team!
 

> >2.  Does anyone think that *DICK* holding a long *erect* cigarette
> >    and asking Andy for a light which he didn't have as foreshadowing
> >    to a fact that Lucy was not impregnated by Andy?
 
I didn't think of that, but it was definitely a competitive interchange
between the two. Andy was adopting a protective mate and sensitive guy 
attitude (that's how nice guys show they are the best bet) and Dick was
rebutting with evidence that Andy is putty in Dick's hands and is not
enough of a man for Lucy. 
Perhaps the excessively long cigarette poked  in Andy's face was
a form of, how you say, shaking your privates over the fence?

> >
> >3.  Does anyone have any speculation as to who >THEY< are (as refered
> >    to by Bob before triggering Leland's "suicide") ?  Evil in general...
> >    The Devil and his angels... etc...
> >
Someone at our TP party reminded us that one of Satan's name is Legion,
meaning many.  But personally I think it means that Bob has friends.
 
> >4.  I was afraid Donna was toast too.  I got the impression of the
> >    ambiguous hazy scene of Donna as another step closer to Laura,
> >    especially in light of the sunglasses incident.
> >
I think that seeing Donna in Laura's glasses turned Bob on.

> >9.  Cooper's ushering of Leland into the netherworld was a bit
> >    silly to me.  I don't know how much significance it had.
 
It got on my nerves.  Maybe I've just been overexposed to the occult.
> >
> >
> >14. Has Bob inhabited Wyndom Earle (sp) ?
> >
Good question.
 
 
a.h.

I also believe that this was a superb show.  I wish I owned a VCR and
could watch each show over and over.  Ahh, such is life (I don't know French
:-) )

I also request a copy of Cooper's message to Leland.  Unfortunately,
though I try to be, I am not well read enought to catch all the references
to Shakespeare and The Book of the Dead, etc.  It's a good thing all of you
bright people are out there to help me (no sarcasm intended) but please be
more clear in your references for the rest of us (The Hamlet ref. not the
BotD ref)

Thanks in advance.

charles d. kincaid
statman@stat.ufl.edu

"Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean nobody's after you."

pouncy@campus.swarthmore.edu writes:
> >OK.  I guess this means that only three kinds can see Him -
> >the Gifted, the Damned and the Flaming groovies.  

Hmmm...  I guess I'm being accused of flaming.  Sorry, but all I did was
point out where your theories had some problems.  (I also corrected your
mistaken attributions).  But if you feel that's flaming, fine.  Everyone has
their viewpoint.  Curiously, what would you call quoting my entire 44-line
article and then contributing those two insightful lines at the bottom?

Groovin'
- Carl Johnson

alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >well *somebody* wrote:

Yes, it was me.  I wrote:
>>>> >>>>Who says (Sarah Palmer) was drugged?

> >ME.  I said it. It's my theory, all mine, I thought of it. Damn fine theory
> >too.    (Ann Hodgins)

Ho ho ho.  I thought of it, too, Ann.  And I'm leaning towards it still.
But the author of the original post asked if Leland was responsible for
drugging Sarah Palmer.  Since the matter of whether she was drugged or not
is yet to be resolved on the show, if it ever will be, I had to ask why he
was so certain it was fact, not theory.  His response:  _USA Today_ said
so.  Ho ho ho.  But then, you know all this.  Sorry to be so regurgitative.

- Carl Johnson

hannan@subsco.UUCP (Hanna Nelson) writes:
> >dpray@volcano.Berkeley.EDU (Ice) oozed:

"Oozed?"  You people can be wierd.

> >What about when Sarah calls Leland to the (up the) stairs?
> >What does she ask him, then?

Oh, *then*!  Well, why didn't you say so!  This has been rehashed over and
over, until someone with a midi, closed-captioning, and gravity boots
settled it.  She said, "Leland, <muffle> idiot <nagging muffle> <pause>
diary <muffle> <angry muffle>?"  He replied, "Alright, <non-plussed muffle>
<sigh>," and added under his breath "<muff>ing horse <muffle>!"  There you
have it.  Maybe this should be on the FAQL!  Now, can we move on to something
else?

- Carl Johnson

tak@doe.utoronto.ca (Tak Ariga) writes:
> >So you think Leland/BOB made up that story too?

Well, yes I did.  And now we know that Leland made the call, not Ben.

> >Ergo, BOB knows about the diary, and he knows that mentioning it in context 
> >of Ben Horne incriminates Ben further.

OK, but how did he know the police had it and that it was a big part of why
Ben was arrested.  I suppose he may not have known, perhaps hoping that the
police would find the secret diary later and be able to connect that with
Leland's "dairy" statement.  But coming up with that diary lie was
terrifically well-timed.  (And having phone records helped too.)

- Carl Johnson

In article <1990Dec2.054637.24509@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> dan@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Parmenator-X) writes:
> >My totally random guess for Bob's next host?  Audrey.  Fits in nicely
> >with that rumor we heard that she would soon meet a mysterious new
> >man.  Also seems "right" with regard to her rivalry with Laura for Ben
> >Horne's affections.  

Nah, I bet Audrey meets Windom Earle (I'll go with that spelling based
on the Toronto Star article -- if someone has an authoritative
correction please post it).  He's a master of disguise, probably
unhinged and an automatic rival for Cooper.  Perfect to wow Audrey,
who has a thing for Special Agents.

> >                    Leo would make an interesting choice too, since
> >he seems "empty", and it would fit in perfectly with Cooper's rock
> >throwing, which I believe, implicated Leo...

Leo would be a fun host wouldn't he.  We'll see.

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In article <1990Dec2.005552.24605@portia.Stanford.EDU> spg@portia.Stanford.EDU (Stephen Guthrie) writes:
>From a FOAF at ABC - 12/8 Twin Peaks Episode

This was great.  See if your source can get summaries for the rest of
the season; we won't have to watch!  :-) :-)

In article <7TST8ZD@cs.swarthmore.edu> sgk93@campus.swarthmore.edu writes:
> >  I do think Bob is a manifestation of a darker repressed evil sexual
> >violent psyche that is associated with the woods the primitive the savage.
> >This sort of Jungian shadow beast encompasses power and witches wisdom
> >and understanding (Chicana author Gloria Anzaldua expands on this notion
> >in her book Borderlands, has anyone read it? It encompasses both the wise
> >and the hunter owl. This way of looking at it works well with the child
> >abuse metaphor. 
> >  So far we've seen this darker side mostly through Bob, but I think it's
> >a collective unconscious as well.  There has certainly been lots of other

The thing which struck me most was that "Killer BOB" matches very closely
to Jung's interpretation of the Native American myth figure of the
"Trickster", a character which does evil and/or counter-productive actions
not so much out of malice but out of seeking "fun". Probably some of
these myths had the Trickster as an owl, though I can only remember him
as a coyote. I wish I could find Jung's analysis to cite from.

The introduction and disappearance of the Tremonds might set the stage
for another investigation of the "collective unconscious", eh?

Did anyone notice in the first or second episode (when Cooper came in and
said "Three for three") that there was someone working on the fire control
system?

Question: did BOB shuffle off to Buffalo?? And beat the Eagles (Yeah!)???

jet@karazm.math.uh.edu (J. Eric Townsend) writes:
> >They had the *perfect* chance to examine the horrible world of
> >child abuse.  It seemed to me that here we were going to have an
> >indepth (if not Lynchian-quirky) examination of the sort of thing
> >that goes on with families of abuse -- Leland/Maddie, Ben/Audrie,
> >etc etc. Here was the sort of thing that never happens to "good
> >people" -- child molestation, murder, drug abuse...
> >The last two episodes have led me to believe that L/F have absolutely
> >no courage whatsoever.  "Nice" men like Leland and Ben would *never*
> >hurt children, no..  But an *evil spirt*, yeah, that's the ticket!
> >If they were *possesed*, of course they'd do such things, but they'd
> >never be capable of doing them on their own.

I don't agree with this at all.  I think TWIN PEAKS addresses the
issues you speak of, not at the literal level, but at a richer,
symbolic level.  The history of literature and film is replete with
examples of supernatural beings or events that act as symbols for
disturbing characteristics of humanity (for example, the works of
Edgar Allan Poe or Jacques Tourneur's classic film, CURSE OF THE
DEMON).  For the characters in the story, the supernatural events are
quite real; nevertheless, they represent real-world concerns.

Another poster mentioned disappointment with the final, explanatory
scene.  I admit it was a letdown after the beauty of Leland's death
scene (the sprinkler system idea was inspired--a symbolic cleansing of
Leland's psyche, the extinguishing of the fire with which he has
walked for 40 years).  But there was one exchange in that scene that
chillingly makes the connection between the literal and the symbolic
level:

TRUMAN:  I don't know, I've been in these woods for a long time, but
I've never seen anything like this.  I'm having a hard time believing
this. (Not verbatim, but words to that effect).

COOPER: Harry, is it easier to believe that a man would rape and
murder his daughter?

In the real world, the unspoken answer to the question is "Yes".  And
that is the horror of it.

TWIN PEAKS aspires to artistry--sometimes too self-conciously, no
doubt.  But there are moments when it achieves it.  That's why I
keep watching.

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In article <BPkkT3w163w@zitt> joe [Joe Zitt] writes:
> >jet@karazm.math.uh.edu (J. Eric Townsend) writes:
> >
>> >> They had the *perfect* chance to examine the horrible world of
>> >> child abuse.  It seemed to me that here we were going to have an
...
> >Well, gee, J. Eric is upset because Twin Peaks turns out to be a 
> >supernatural thriller, rather than a show about a particular social 
...

Eric forgets one trivial detail.  Leland was possessed, but Ben, Leo
and Jacques were not.  Ben likes to 'try' all the girls at one-eyed
jacks, many of whom are just kids.  Random rumours have said that
cooper is going to be in twin-peaks a while longer while the one-eyed
jacks mess gets straighened out, so the child abuse angle can
certainly be followed up on.  

On the other hand, I think that the next flavour of ice-cream will be
chocolate grand-marnier.  :=)

'The owls are not what they seem' -- I smell a plot here.  


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Wow!  What a performance by Leland in this episode.  If he's not
nominated for an Emmy, it'll be a crime.

--
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In article <1990Dec2.005552.24605@portia.Stanford.EDU> spg@portia.Stanford.EDU (Stephen Guthrie) writes:
>From a FOAF at ABC - 12/8 Twin Peaks Episode
> >
> >Cooper and Truman exchange goodbyes; a wake is held for Leland Palmer; Dougie
> >Milford, publisher of the Twin Peaks Gazette, twists the ear of his brother, 
> >Mayor Milford; Hank takes Ernie off on an impromptu "hunting trip" to Canada;
> >Dr. Jacoby and Ed Hurley persuade the vice principal to allow Nadine to finish
> >high school; Bobby borrows some duds from Leo; Catherine pays a visit to the
> >sheriff's station; Tremayne embraces fatherhood; an FBI agent comes to town
> >with unpleasant business for Cooper; and Audrey divulges her ice cream 
> >preference to a newfound friend, on "Twin Peaks," airing Saturday, Dec 8 (10:00
> >- 11:00 p.m. ET), on the ABC Television Network.

Ummm... This sounds more like a joke than anything else. I don't know this
Dougie Milford (yet) or the mayor, jacoby and ed persuade the principal to
allow Nadine to finish hight school!?!? (I guess it had to ahppen...),
Catherine already vistited the sheriff's station. I can't see DICK embracing
fatherhood. Hank and Ernie going on a 'hunting trip' to OEJs makes sense
and I can't wait to find out what Audrey's ice cream preference is...
Ooohhh  YEAH! Does she DEMONSTRATE? Is it just me or does anyone else
\think that Audrey is much tamer this season than she was in the last?

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In article <1990Nov28.035502.17591@Neon.Stanford.EDU> bthomas@Neon.Stanford.EDU (Becky Thomas) writes:
> >In article <17571@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
>> >>In article <57138@brunix.UUCP>, cs123078@cs.brown.edu (Mark Hessman) writes...

::} One of the people I watch the show with was sure that what the magician-
::} boy said was "J'ai un ami sous le terre" -- 'I have a friend under the
::} earth.' Much more ominous than that bit about the 'solitary soul.'

::They should clean the wax out of their ears. It's been confirmed here by
::someone with a closed-caption decoder that he said "I am/have a solitary
::soul."

:Hmm...please correct me if I'm wrong (I'm sure someone will) but my
:understanding of the closed-captioning system is that people sit,
:listen to the program, and type in what they hear.  I remember hearing
:someone who does this kind of work talking about how fast you have to type,
:since you have to keep up.
:[editing]
:
:Becky Thomas

Well, the kid was speaking French, and (if we are to believe the postings) the
sub-titling was an English translation, so I would assume they had access to
a written source, since it would seem awfully taxing to ask sub-titlers to
type *and translate* simultaneously, even if they spoke French!

But I cavil for no good reason.  We've now heard this line from the Kid, 
Cooper, and Andy.  Cooper and Andy provide the translation, although I
would be tickled to learn that some of Andy's manglings of the line fit
the alternate versions described here on the net.  Maybe Paul Raveling 
leaks both ways.
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Not sure who mentioned this, but someone claimed it was extraNasty
of James to bail on Donna, his "FIANCE", in such a manner.  

While it is obvious that the diamond ring and all are definite marriage
signs, I don't think James was actually proposing and that they should
be labeled "engaged".  Although, even if they were, I assume that Donna
is probably getting mightyTired of this biker's attitude problem.

Drop the bikerDude, Donna, chase after Cooper.   Give him a reason to 
stay.

Also, has the gum that Senior Drool Cup brought into the Roadhouse
been identified?  I have the episode on tape, but all I can't seem 
to make it out - probably not supposed to.

But, DAMN, it's gotta be good if Cooper's chewing it.

Last thought.  This episode finally gave a lot of people the answer 
to the question we've all be asking for some time.  Who killed Laura
Palmer?   Unfortunately, since the episode tied quite a few things
up so neatly, I assume that we'll see a drop in viewership in the 
coming weeks unless they pull off some rich plot developments.  

I, for one, we'll be there next Saturday.

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ps.  "in the preview... who was the flying person?"  
     best comment to date: UltraNadine at cheerleading practice.
                            ^^^ this is humour.

In article <1990Dec2.054637.24509@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> dan@gnu.ai.mit.edu (Parmenator-X) writes:
> > I have a hard time believing that the goal of the
> >"dancing dwarf" was to point to Leland as a killer.

I remember way back when the first few episodes after the dream
sequence were aired insisting vehemently that the dwarf HAD TO BE
Leland because of the similarities of their dancing style.  My friends
all laughed and ridiculed me, but I was RIGHT!  OK, so I didn't know
that it meant that Leland was the killer, but I did get the symbolism
correct.

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In article <1990Dec2.092715.1737@lavaca.uh.edu> jet@karazm.math.uh.edu (J. Eric Townsend) writes:
> >But noooooo.  L/F have to back out, and instead of realising that people
> >really are *that* "evil" on their own, they have to go and invent
> >"BOB".  (Or, the slime-worm from "The Hidden", take your pick.)

For one thing, Lynch has never backed away from showing people who
"really are *that* 'evil' on their own."  And anyway, you're missing
the forest for the trees - the Leland case turned out to be demonic
possession, but what about Ben and Leo and the rest of the criminals?
Leo has battered Shelley a few times and even tried to torch her to
death.  He's hardly a "nice guy" with a demon riding his soul.

Try again.


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One of my friends suggested that Bob is actually
Angela Lansbury, the lady on "Murder She Wrote"
who always showed up about 5 minutes before a
murder.

Just a thought. :)

Paul Shawcroft

Where is BOB now?
 
Will he pick someone at random to possess? If so a new
character will be introduced sometime in the next few weeks,
probably not next week. I bet they cool the BOB plot for a while.
 
Will he pick a wicked person to possess, like Hank or Jean Reneault?
I don't think so.  I think Bob prefers to hide in people who
*appear* good.  
 
Will he pick an innocent child, as he picked Leland?
I dont think so, his appetite seems to be getting larger and out of
control. He could not wait to prepare a child to play the kinds of
games he likes now.
 
Will he pick an empty person, like Leo, and just walk in?  
Does he require nothing more than a vacancy?  I doubt it.
I think Bob requires some kind of collusion and rapport with his host.
Besides Leo is not necessarily vacant in the correct way.  Leo's mind is
damaged and his body broken but his spirit may still be present.
I can't imagine Leo's pugnacious soul welcoming Bob in.
 
Ronette is vulnerable but she seems very determined to fend Bob off.
The veterinarian, Bob Lydecker, is in a coma too, but MIKE is protecting him.
Nadine seems vulnerable but she is a very positive person, her energy
is all constructive and good, albeit misguided.
 
So who then?  Assuming it is someone we already know, I'll put my money 
on James Hurley.  
In the final scene we see a vehicular wreck and get the feeling of death
or near death. Something seems to be moving towards the light, perhaps
the soul of a dying person killed in the accident.
We know that James was on the road at that time, leaving town, upset,
and vulnerable as cyclists always are on the road with cars.
The owl seems to come out of the light (out of the spirit realm) towards
the dying spirit, intervening between that spirit and the light,
interfering somehow with the death process, perhaps preying on the other
spirit.
 
I wonder if the owls can sense the presence of vulnerable human spirits.
They certainly seem able to home in on each other, witness Mike
homing in on Bob.
Personally, I see parallels between James and Leland. I feel that they both
have character traits that make them good vehicles for Bob.
But I can't explain it in words or expect netters to buy it. I just
feel that James is a natural for Bob hosting. Time will tell, I guess.
 
ann hodgins

Various references in the last episode made me wonder about
the religious mythology associated with the fall of Satan.
The cover of Salman Rushdie's Satanic Verses shows an image
of two men falling to earth together, head to toe. 
 
This image is not american but it is not unfamiliar. Does anyone
out there know more about it? Does that image represent Satan
and if so, why are there two?
 
a.h.

does anyone know why leland killed laura - or for that
matter, any of the other girls. didn't laura write about
'bob' - did she know that bob - was her father? (or in her
father?)

:)

Thanks ,  Mark ( & yvette)

8-)

Whatever happened to TP's favorite soap opera?  I can't remember
the last episode I saw it in.

And did it ever have any real significance anyway?

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 About a month ago, I read an article in the Sunday paper which dealt
with a book that had been recently written. The book contained criticism of
modern directors. The article was released by the Gannett news service and was
in the living section of the paper (if your local rag subscribes to Gannett
then you may have seen it or may be able to find it - I'm afraid I
didn't save it and I cannot remember the title or author).

 Anyway, the article went through a number of directors and Lynch was
one of them. At the time, I knew there were a number of things about
TP's that I didn't like but I thought that they were distinct and
individual problems and hadn't really seen a connection, until I saw
this criticism. What was said is that Lynch's work lacks and real
plot development. It pointed out that Lynch's work is made up of
separate scenes and dialogue that do nothing to further the plot
and tend to become more and more bizarre - and then, in the final 5-10
minutes, the entire plot unfolds. I realized that this was true (in my opinion)
of Blue Velvet and I began to think about TPs. It seems to me that
this same problem runs through TPs as well. We see 30-40 minute 'chunks' 
of scenes that do very little plot development (if any at all) and then
we see 5-10 minute segments (although not always at the end of any
particular episode, but instead spread through the whole series), where
the actual story is explained and developed and advanced. 

 The idea that the images become more and more bizarre also seems to be valid. 
I realize that some would claim this to be "atmosphere" but to what end? and
how much "atmosphere development" does the show need? The scene with naval
personnel bouncing rubber balls in the GN while a spastic one-armed man
wiggles in his chair would seem an example of this in my opinion - what
purpose did those people serve? Did it relate in anyway to the plot? 
How was it used as anything other than an attempt at a bizarre image? Now
some might claim that they think that this is a very good thing (I enjoy
the images, but only up to a point), however I think that it is a case of
form over content - a show or a movie without a solid plot is still a
show with little plot no matter how nicely packaged it is.

 This lack of adequate plot development seems to show up in the episodes 
where the viewer is hit over the head with a barage of little facts
all at once (the Leland did it episode and the last episode (why Leland
did it) are good examples of this). It is as if they are saying "well, we
really have to wrap this thing up - now what haven't we dealt with yet?
We'll put all that stuff in the last 10 minutes and be done with it".

 That is not to say that the show is without any merit. The unique and
interesting images are often "worth the price of admission" so to speak,
but the show could be better if it was more careful with its plot and
less focussed on simply being bizarre. IMHO of course.....


gln

In article <14590@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> rbutler@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Trey (PartyPak dir!)) writes:
> >(stuff deleted)
> >
> > Donna, Maddie and Audrey hugging each other with tight tank
> >tops and jeans on! Any
> >women think this is SEXIST, wouldn't you say the same about a
> >picture of Kyle McLoughlin in BVD briefs bending over to pick up his
> >shirt?

Anyone have a gif of the latter? :) (Just kidding! Really!) :) :) :)

-- MUDname: Sidera "...If I seem to give a damn, please tell me. I would University of Delaware hate to be giving the wrong impression."

I have to agree that this was one hell of a mind-blowing episode.  I tend to
agree with those who say BOB will end up in Leo.  Leo is still "there", as
has been indicated by his "New shoes" thing, and is probably more aware of
his environment than Bobby and Shelley think.  Leo is currently unable to 
interact, and that is probably what BOB will offer him.  I think that for 
BOB to "occupy" a host, the host has to be willing to be occupied.  Of course,
once he's in, that's that.

I was upset at how they got out of using the OAM to any great effect.  However,
I think (MHO) that when BOB and Mike make contact, both will be destroyed.
It is also possible, however, that neither of them can die, and that BOB
will always exist, just as in some interpretations of Judeo-Christian mythos,
God cannot destroy Lucifer. 

Leland's death scene was very moving.  He realizes all he has done, and how he
is damned, and weeps.  Cooper does the best thing for him, redeeming his soul.
That was how I interpreted it, anyway, feel free to dispute.


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joe@zitt.cup.hp.com:

> >Two glitches: Coop(?) said that Maddie's body had been found 2 days 
> >earlier, though it was only one episode ago. This is a second glitch in 
> >the 1 day, 1 episode scheme (the last 2 episode of Season 1 being the 
> >other.)

Another thing along this line that bothers me is why Coop says that the
police picked up Ben AFTER Maddie was killed.  We saw those events happen
in the opposite order.  I guess screening order don't mean beens to this
show.

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Or do you want to wait for the close-captioning to confirm?



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In article <1990Dec2.160716.6469@watserv1.waterloo.edu>,
alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) says:
 
> >The long, slow opening scene with the Cooper gang walking was
> >attractive but indicated a 'pedestrian' episode.
     I thought the opening scene was terriffic! Very reminiscent of some
     old western. Looked like they were going to the showdown at the
     OK Corral. I thought it set a definite mood for the beginning. You
     knew right off something important was going to happen.
 
                                 DMK

Haven't heard from the Andy-did-its in a while!  How ya doing out there?  :-)

               *  *  *

I felt disappointed at the breakneck, so-the-butler-knew-all-along kind
of 'wrapup' shoveled at us.  Maybe it's a consequence of reading so much
detailed speculation here, but at times Saturday night I felt like I
should have a clipboard to check off lists of broken theories!

               *  *  *

Given the big lapful of loose ends he was charged with tying up, I
thought Tim Hunter did a creditable job of drawing us emotionally into
the picture.  If you've seen RIVER'S EDGE you know he has his own knack
for establishing a creepy feeling.  I don't think it works quite the
same on the boob tube, but I was definitely 'with the program' during
the Donna-dance and jail cell death scenes.

               *  *  *

But let's give Ray Wise a standing O for his work these two seasons!  He
had a tough job and turned in one of the more memorable sustained
performances in years.  I agree with the person who wished him an Emmy
nomination, somewhat to my own surprise.  Doubt he'll get it though;
it's tough when you leave early in the season.

               *  *  *

The moment that really made me smile: Major Briggs arriving on cue with
the Room Service Waiter.  I love the character of the Major and I get a
tremendous kick out of the strength Don Davis brings to him.  On some
level the Log Lady doesn't make much sense, but the Major is perfect at
all levels.  His utterly mysterious high-tech assignment ("Dad... what
do you DO?" yields, with perfectly gentle equanimity, "Son, that's
classified") somehow leaves him wide open to the world of spirit and
fate.  And he has visibly grown in two seasons, rather than merely
flopping around like some of the younger people.

               *  *  *

Maybe the problem with hiring these stylist wunderkind directors into
series work is, indeed, finding a consistent tone.  You'd love to see
someone like Hunter direct more TV, but who do you team him with?
It's a good thing anthologies and mini-series are there.

               *  *  *

If that spoiler about Cooper and Truman saying goodbye is true, and if
we sensibly assume MacLachlan outlasts Ontkean, then I'm not too
shocked.  Truman's importance in TWIN PEAKS has seldom been much more
than symbolic from the word go; lately he has dwindled to near
invisibility.  Guess they've been writing him out gracefully.  It's kind
of a shame; I'll miss his face.  He was wasted as a foil for Cooper's
stoic Aquarianisms; I hope he gets lots of good work now.

               *  *  *

If BOB moves into Leo, I don't know how he's going to spook his way
around a spinal cord injury, but this isn't ST ELSEWHERE is it!  :-) It
sounds like a great hideout though: who would suspect a vegetable in a
wheelchair?

               *  *  *

By the way, can't they *find* any of the blue drug Gerard needs to
suppress MIKE and stop dehydrating to death?  Or are they deliberately
withholding it for some reason?  Will Bill Bennett do a guest shot? :-)
Gerard didn't actually quite kick the bucket on 12/1, did he?  I'm
assuming not.  On the other hand if he stays around, Cooper knows he has
a weathervane for finding BOB's new host.  (Unless, of course... nahhh)

               *  *  *

Who shot Cooper?  Does Cooper care?  Do we just dump that one on Leland
for grins, or is there someone else with a motive?

               *  *  *

If BOB escapes into someone else and starts to kill again, won't someone
have to do something stronger than arresting his latest human host?  Seems
like some serious exorcism is called for.  We could get more mystical
than any of us dreamed!
-- "Just when we finally got good at this, we \_i_/ Tom Neff run out of planets." - a Voyager scientist --[o]-- tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM

In article <12139@milton.u.washington.edu> mork@blake.u.washington.edu (David Mork) writes:
> >3.  Does anyone have any speculation as to who >THEY< are (as refered
> >    to by Bob before triggering Leland's "suicide") ?

I think this is a *very* important question.  My feeling is that there are
other spirits out there, similar to Mike and Bob, who are eager for hosts.

> >    I infer from this that owls act as non-human interim
> >    hosts between humans [...] THE OWLS ARE NOT
> >    WHAT THEY SEEM means THEY ARE HOSTS FOR EVIL SPIRITS IN INTERIM.

I suspect this is correct.

> >8.  The reference to "remember that knife in Pittsburgh" may mean 
> >    that Coop has dealt with Bob before

Or another, similar spirit with whom Bob is in contact.  Perhaps the one
that is now (SPECULATION:) inhabiting Wyndham Earl.

> > [Cooper's speech was] silly to me.  I don't know how much significance it had.

It set up the idea of heading into a bright light when you pass on, which they
used in the closing sequence.

> >10. James' comments to Donna seemed a little strange when he left her alone.

I agree with Ann H., I suspect James may wind up being Bob's next host.

> >    Bob really grooves to 40's and 50's music.

Perhaps that is the era during which he had human form.  Remember: what we see
of Bob (long grey hair, jean jacket, black shirt) is his "true form".
By that I assume they mean "the form he had when he first became whatever he is
now".  Let's see... that would have been about 1950 or so, and he looks to be
in his late 30's.  So he was in his late 20's and early 30's when that music
was popular.  Interesting side question: was Leland Bob's first host? 
Another question: when did jean jackets come into style?  Was it as early as
1950?  Speaking of clothing... we know that Lynch found Silva (the actor who
plays Bob) working as a wardrobe assistant... can you imagine how actors on
other shows react when they walk into wardrobe and see Bob standing there?
(I mean, even riding a bus or shopping for groceries must be an interesing
experience for Silva!)

> >14. Has Bob inhabited Wyndom Earle (sp) ?

I suspect Bob's been a little busy, but some of his fellows may have.

I also like the idea (mentioned earlier in this group) that SDCTWMDRSW is the
Giant's host, and that his communication with Cooper is similar to Bob's
communication with Laura (but nicer, of course).

We may not find out the answers to these (and other) questions for a while...
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In article <1990Dec3.211333.13370@watserv1.waterloo.edu> broehl@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Bernie Roehl) writes:
> >In article <12139@milton.u.washington.edu> mork@blake.u.washington.edu (David Mork) writes:
> >
>> >>8.  The reference to "remember that knife in Pittsburgh" may mean 
>> >>    that Coop has dealt with Bob before
 
This is definitely not an accurate quote. it went something like:
I guess I sorta, kinda killed Maddy. I have a thing for knives (spoken vaguely).
(Suddenly swings over to Cooper and speaks menacingly) "It's like that
time in Pittsburg!
 
   Bob grooves on 40's 50's music.
> >Perhaps that is the era during which he had human form.  Remember: what we see
> >of Bob (long grey hair, jean jacket, black shirt) is his "true form".
> >By that I assume they mean "the form he had when he first became whatever he is
> >now".  Let's see... that would have been about 1950 or so, and he looks to be
> >in his late 30's.  So he was in his late 20's and early 30's when that music
> >was popular.  Interesting side question: was Leland Bob's first host? 
> >Another question: when did jean jackets come into style?  Was it as early as
> >1950?  

Jeans were the clothing of poor workers for many decades before they
became fashionable.  They were designed for hard labour.
Intellectuals who adopted worker attire as a political statement made
jeans fashionable among rebels who in turn made jeans fashionable
with the entire 60s generation. In our town those styles first came in
in the late 60's say 1988-89. That's how long it took  get into fashion
magazines and become acceptable for middle class kids.

So unless you know if Bob was a worker, a rebel or a bourgeois kid,
you can't know when he bought those jeans.
 
But anyway, I dispute your assumption to that it is BOB who likes music.
I think it is Leland.  In the end, Bob and Leland were so interspersed
that they switched from one to the other in an instant. I think that
Leland became manic (overly happy and excited) as a way of fending off
knowledge of his instrumental role in Laura's death and a
way of trying to deny and repress his grief.
 
Isn't Lelland the right age to know and love that music?
 
ann hodgins

Given the normal time pace of the show, and Lucy's supposed "early
stage" (1 to 3 months?), has anyone calculated how many more episodes
we'll have to endure/enjoy before we find out who "The Impregnator"
is?

Ole
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I think we're going to have to conclude that the diary we
bought in the stores & the diary found in the show.  If I recall
correctly, Laura gave the diary (from the store) to Harold Smith
*long* before she was killed.  However, it seems that Laura gave
the diary (in the show) to Harold Smith the day she died, as they
found pages from a diary written by Laura on the night she died,
& the unsecret diary had no pages missing.

The upshot of this is, theories which derive verification
from "The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer" may be thereby flawed.  I
think for theorizing, we should stick to what has been revealed on
the show.  I realize this won't stop anyone, but I hope it will 
stop people from saying "Your theory's no good, 'cause it doesn't
fit in with the secret diary."  I mean, come on.

"Leland says you're going back to Missoula, MONTANA!"
George.Harris@samba.acs.unc.eduGe|ge

Ok, I liked parts of the 12/1 episode, I admit it.  But do you want to know
what really, really, really let me down?  The lobotimization of Albert.

I was so excited to see Albert return to the show -- he's my favorite
character, bar none.  But then, all they gave him to say was tired, drab,
colorless platitudes that didn't even fit his character.  I couldn't
believe that the same wonderfully cynical fellow who once told Cooper
how happy he was that "Dharma came to ho-ho-ho" could now be lamely
encouraging Coop to get mystic again.

In the final sum-up scene, I was 100% expecting Albert to say what many of
us must have been thinking, but he didn't.  Nope, he mouthed the party
line like he had lost all interest in thought.  Very disappointing.

With writing like this for Albert, he might as well stay in his own
series.

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Damn. The message above just made the "Who Who Who" connection I wanted to make.
Yes. Owls could easily be spirit transport. In other news, those ending scenes
are a bit jumbled. Some people suspect that Bob enters whoever is in the car
crash. Personally, I place a little more faith in the idea that Leland and Laura
are blood decendants of Bob, bizarre as this may sound. I may be reading too
much into the "Robertson" bit, but that's the way I interpret it. Also, a friend
thinks that "Ultra"Nadine may be the one in the sky - he thinks he saw the eye
patch.

Enough rambling for now, but any more ideas on the Robertson connection.

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Well, there hasn't been as much discussion as i expected on the last scene.
Personally, i thought at first that the tinted, oddly-shot scenes of
wrecked cars and all were Cooper's flashbacks of Pittsburgh (not sure
why i thought that--placement and scene juxtaposition?).  But then i
assumed that it was BOB's line-of-sight.  I also assumed that BOB was
the owl.  However, my Speech Communications teacher suggested that the
scurrying, ground-bound shots were BOB's point of view (as a rat or similar
unpopular rodent) and that the owl (as Force of Good) attacked and maybe
killed BOB.  I dunno.  But it's something to think about.
     In other news, I felt that BOB's mention of Pittsburgh tied him
directly to Cooper somehow (that is, i think BOB was there), but the
other possibility i saw was that, as a "strong sender," Cooper managed
to accidentally broadcast his weaknesses/past failures to "the evil in
the woods."
     Also, i missed a few episodes last year.  If someone could post
the actual lines in which Cooper says he's a sender, that would be
very friendly...
     Hey, anyone else think it must have been fun for Ray Wise, playing
Leland there at the end?
     And if Albert's gonna be there,  he should be ALBERT!!!  Not a
complacent foil for Cooper.
     My roommate and i agree that Kyle looks cute wet.
                                    -Meg
                                     (on Anth's account)

(or at least, _my_ TP quotes list)

DAMN... I'm pretty boggled... is everyone else???

Almost all of this last episode was quotable!  Unfortunately I have no VCR and
didn't have enough time with a friend's to transcribe Leland's death speech,
and BOB's confession as written in this file is from memory.  If anyone has
either or both in their entirety, please forward 'em and save me the trouble
of finding a VCR to watch the tape I've got.

So BOB, using Leland, has killed:  Theresa, Laura, Leland, Jacques, and Maddy.
Wow... none of those people are ever coming back... and BOB's still at large!
Now it seems fairly clear that the owls are the evil inhabiting spirits... that
want more bodies they can use... yeesh....

Is this correct?  If not, can someone give me the whole thing?
Log Lady:  Dark.  Laughing.  The owls were flying.  Many things were blocked.
           Laughing.  Two men, two girls.  Flashlights pass by in the woods
           over the ridge.  The owls were near.  The dark was pressing in on
           her.  Quiet then.  Later, footsteps.  One man passed by.  Screams
           far away.  Terrible.  Terrible.  One voice.
Cooper:    Man or girl?
Log Lady:  Girl.  The owls were silent.

Oh, and if anyone has the text of the trigger Cooper read to put Jacoby under,
pass it on!  I seem to remember it was pretty nice.

It just keeps getting weirder... as always, corrections, omissions, to me.
Thanks, and hope y'all're sleeping well....

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Cooper:  I'm sure the Sheriff will be able to recommend a clean place,
reasonably priced--that's what I need, a clean place, reasonably priced.

Leo:  Leo needs a new pair of shoes!

Ben:    Leland's daughter was murdered and the Norwegians left.
Jerry:  Did they sign?
Ben:    No.
Jerry:  We had those vikings by the HORNS!  What HAPPENED?
Ben:    We're not exactly sure; they took the translator with them.
Jerry:  Sigh.  Did you say Leland's daughter was murdered?
Ben:    Yes.
Jerry:  I'm depressed.

Cooper:  Harry, when Albert finishes up at the Great Northern, we'll meet back
         at the station.  I'm ready to lay the whole thing out.
Truman:  Rocks and bottles?
Cooper:  Chalk and blackboard will be just fine.
Truman:  Jelly donuts?
Cooper:  Harry, that goes without saying.

Andy:  Lucy!
Lucy:  What?
Andy:  <Crash!>
Lucy:  Andy?

Senor Droolcup:  Your milk is gonna get cool....
Cooper (lying on his back, bleeding):  OhKaayy

Sarah Palmer:  I miss her so much.  I miss her so much!  I miss her so much!!!

Cooper:  Sheriff, get your mind off Shelley.

Audrey (naked in Cooper's bed, to Cooper):  Don't make me leave?  Please...
don't make me leave?

Truman:  I'll make the phone calls.  Leland will know how to get a hold of
         Maddy's family.
Cooper:  Harry, don't make any calls.  I need twenty-four hours.
Truman:  For what?
Cooper:  To finish this.
Albert:  Cooper.  [Cooper walks over]  An observation.  I don't know where this
         is headed.  But the only one with the coordinates for this destination
         in his hardware is you.  Go on whatever vision quest you have to--
         stand on the rim of the volcano--stand alone and do your dance.  Just
         find this beast before he takes another bite.
Cooper:  God help me, I don't know where to start.
Hawk:    You're on the path.  You don't need to know where it leads.  Just
         follow.

Chief Norwegian (to Audrey):  Is something wrong, young, pretty girl?

Cooper:  Albert's path is a strange and difficult one.

Dick:  I lost your number....
Lucy:  I work at the sheriff's office!  You could have dialed 911!

Albert:  Agent Cooper, I am thrilled to pieces that the Dharma came to King
         Hohoho, I really am, but right now I am trying hard to focus on the
         more immediate problems of our own century, right here in Twin Peaks.
Cooper:  Albert, you'd be surprised at the connections between the two.
Albert:  Color me amazed.

Bobby (to Leo):  Quit spittin', man!

Truman:  You saw a giant?
Cooper:  Yes.
Albert:  Any relation to the dwarf? 

Hawk:  Some of my best friends are white people!

Pete:  This smoke inhalation is a nasty business.  I feel like someone taped my
lips to the tailpipe of a bus!

[Waitress pours Cooper's coffee:]
Cooper:  Wait a minute!  Wait a minute!  [sips, sighs blissfully]  This is--
excuse me--a DAMN fine cup of coffee.  I've had I don't know how many cups of
coffee in my life, but this is one of the best.  Two eggs over hard.  I know,
I know, it's hard on the arteries, but old habits die hard--just about as hard
as I want those eggs.  Two strips of bacon, extra crispy--almost black.
Cremate it.  And I'd like a big glass of grapefruit juice, just as long as
those grapefruits... [sees Audrey walking towards him] ...are freshly squeezed.

Jerry:  Marshmallows?!!  Ben, WHERE are those HICKORY STICKS?

Gwen:  You see, people just wanna do terrible things to you.  I know.

Cooper:  Look!  Ducks!  On a lake!  Ahhh.

Pete:  Now let me get this straight... your _entire_country_ is _above_ the
_timberline_?

Jonathan:  Blood brother, next time, I take your head off.

Giant:   Sorry to wake you.
Cooper:  I'm not dreaming.
Giant:   I forgot to tell you something.
Cooper:  You were right about the smiling bag.
Giant:   The things I tell you will not be wrong.   Better to listen than
         to talk.
Cooper:  I believe you.
Giant:   Don't search for all the answers at once.  A path is formed by
         laying one stone at a time.  One person saw the third man.  Three
         have seen him, yes, but not his body.  One only, known to you, ready
         now to talk.  One more thing:  there is something which you have
         forgotten.
Cooper:  What?
Giant:   <Flash!>

Mike:  This is his true face, but few can see it.  The gifted--and the 
_damned._

Donna:   Romantic, isn't it?
Harold:  Interesting...it serves as a landing platform for pollinating insects.
Donna:   Romantic, isn't it?

Truman:  You know, I should take up medicine.
Cooper:  Oh?  Why's that?
Truman:  Because I'm beginning to feel a bit like... Dr. Watson.

Leland:  Just call me Fred!

Judge Sternwood:   So, Agent Cooper, how are you finding our little corner of
                   the world?
Cooper:     It's heaven, sir.
Judge S.:   Well, this week heaven includes arson, multiple homicide, and an
            attempt on the life of a Federal agent.
Cooper:     Heaven is a large and interesting place, sir!

Catherine:  I can't understand a word you're saying... you have a thing in your
mouth!

Truman:  What's going on?
Lucy: Thanks to Jade, Gerard decided not to kill himself.  And he's changed
         his will, leaving the Towers to Jade instead of Emerald.  But Emerald
         found out about it, and now she's trying to seduce Chet to give her
         the new will so that she can destroy it, and Montana's planning to
         kill Gerard at midnight so the Towers will belong to Emerald and
         Montana but I think she's going to double-cross him though he doesn't
         know it.  Poor Chet!
Truman:  What's going on _here_?

Bobby:  Doc Hayward said you needed familiar stimulants, so we figured, what
the hell, kazoos.

Cooper:  It's a good idea to leave your troubles at home when you operate a
motor vehicle, Leland.

Log Lady:  My husband was a logging man... he met the devil.  Fire is the
devil, hiding like a coward in the smoke.

Jerry:  Ben, as your attorney, your friend, and your brother, I strongly 
suggest you get a better lawyer. 

Cooper:  Diane, last night I dreamed I was eating a large, tasteless gumdrop,
and awoke to discover I was chewing on one of my foam disposable earplugs.
Perhaps I should consider moderating my nighttime coffee consumption.

Catherine:  Everything here smells like fish.
Pete:       Well, you could try washing your socks separately.

Ben:         So, here in Twin Peaks, health and industry go hand-in-hand.
Translator:  Healt ut industree di go hond-e-hond.

Mike:  He is BOB!  Eager for fun!  He wears a smile.  EVERYBODY RUN.

Cooper:  Did you know Laura Palmer?
Leo:     No.
Cooper:  How well did you know her?
Leo:     I said I didn't!
Cooper (smiling):  You're lying.

Ben:   What's she want?!  I'll pay anything!  What's she _want_??!!
Pete:  You OK there, Benjy?

Jacques:  So Leo put the chip in her mouth, and say, "Bite the bullet, baby,
biiite the bullet!!"

Cooper:  In another world he might have been a seer or a shaman priest... here
he's just a shoe salesman who walks with the shadows.

Andy:  Listen to me, Lucy Moran, you just listen.  When the Tacoma Sperm Bank
was looking for donors, naturally I applied.  It's my civic duty and I like
whales.  A routine physical examination revealed that I'm sterile.  Sure I
thought it meant that I didn't have to take a bath, but the doctors told me
the truth.  They told me I can't have babies.  So what I wanna know now is why
are you having one and how?

Catherine:  Are you an ambitious man, Mr. Neff?
Mr. Neff:   One likes to think so.
Catherine:  One never knows.  There may still be a few T's left to cross.

Cooper:  Laura and I had the same dream.
Andy:    That's impossible!
Cooper:  Yes, it is.

Hawk:  I had to drink 3 pots of chamomile tea to find that out!  Which reminds
me--can I be excused, sir?

Cooper:  So Harry, how long you been seeing her?
Truman (awestruck):  How did you know?
Cooper:  Body language.
Truman:  Geez louise!

Albert:  Okay, confining my conclusions to the planet Earth....

Pierre:  Sometimes things happen just like THAT.  <snap!>

Pete:    And how do you take your coffee, Agent Cooper?
Cooper:  Black as midnight on a moonless night.
Pete:    Pret-ty black.

Cooper:  This morning, I will practice an extra twenty minutes of yogic dis-
cipline, after which the pain is banished to a cul-de-sac in a remote suburb
of my conscious mind.

Nadine:  Where are Mom and Dad?
Big Ed:  Whooooa!  They're... out of town!
Nadine:  Oh.  Okay!

Leo:  <spit>  new shoes!

Lucy:  All men in the world should be taken to a desert island and forced to
eat sand!

Nadine:  Ed!  You waiting for those drapes to hang themselves?

Cooper:  I think I saw a rabbit!
Truman:  Must've been a snowshoe rabbit.
Cooper:  Snowshoe!  Snowshoe rabbit!

Jerry:  Lord, what's become of us?

Albert:  I performed the autopsy on Jacques Renault.  Stomach contents re-
         vealed, let's see, beer cans, a Maryland license plate, half a bi-
         cycle tire, a goat, and a small wooden puppet.  Goes by the name of
         Pinocchio.
Cooper:  You're making a joke!
Albert:  I like to think of myself as one of the happy generations.

Andy:  They shot Waldo!

Log Lady:  Sometimes owls are big.

Cooper:  So... are you still seeing this... Dick?

Hawk:    One woman can make you fly like an eagle.  Another can give you the
         strength of a lion.  But only one in a cycle of life can fill you with
         gladness and the wisdom that you have known a singular joy.  I wrote
         that for my girlfriend.
Cooper:  Girlfriend?
Hawk:    Diane Shapiro.  PhD, Brandeis.
Cooper:  Ooo.

Cooper:  Wanna know why I'm whittling?
Truman:  OK, I'll bite.  Why are you whittling?
Cooper:  Because that's what you do in a town where a yellow light still means
 slow down, not speed up.

Ben:  If you will permit me, Sven, to repeat what you told me this morning
after your run--"My air sacs have never felt so good!"

Log Lady:  I do not introduce the log!

Bobby:         Dad?
Major Briggs:  Yes, son?
Bobby:         What is it that you do, exactly?
Major Briggs:  That's classified.
Bobby:         Oh.

Jerry:  Look at what she gave me:   a whole leg of lamb!  You sprinkle some
garlic on that, some fresh mint, that's rotisserie heaven!

Cooper:  Sheriff, what kind of fantastic trees have you got around here?  Big,
 majestic--
Truman:  Douglas firs.
Cooper:  Douglas firs....

Jerry:  Brother Ben, we've got two ledgers and a smoked cheese pig... so which
one do we burn?  And it ain't gonna be my pig.

Cooper:  Diane, I'm holding in my hand a small box of chocolate bunnies.

Leland:  Dance with me!  Please, someone, dance with me!!

Sarah Palmer:  Don't ruin this too!

Lucy:  Sheriff, it's Pete Martell up at the mill.  Um, I'm gonna transfer it
to the phone on the table by the red chair, the red chair against the wall.
The little table, with the lamp on it--the lamp that we moved from the corner?
The BLACK phone, not the brown phone.

Cooper:  They got a cherry pie there that'll kill ya!

Gordon:  COOP, YOU REMIND ME TODAY OF A SMALL, MEXICAN CHIWOWWOW.

Albert:  You listen to _me_!  While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the
fact is I am a nay-sayer and a hatchet man in the fight against violence!  I
pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose
to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King!  My concerns are _global_.
I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation.  The foundation of
such a method... is love.  I love you, Sheriff Truman.

Pierre: She SEEMED like a nice girl.

Cooper:  You and Laura had a fight last week, is that correct?
Bobby:   So WHAT!  If I had a fight with her, if I sang songs with her, if I
         went skipping ROPE with her--WHAT difference does it make?!?  I
         DIDN'T KILL HER!
Cooper (grinning widely):  Bobby, here's how this works.  I ask the questions,
         and you answer them!  Briefly!  And to the point!

Doc Hayward:  Nurse, I really mean it.  You better speak to that kitchen.

Nadine:  I am just so happy!
Glass:   Crunch!
Nadine:  OH!!  I'm so sorry!  There goes _another_ one!!

Andy:  I'm a WHOLE DAMN TOWN!!!

Cooper:  Man!  Smell those trees.  Smell those Douglas firs.

Sarah Palmer:  Laura, honey, are you upstairs?

Cooper:  Harry, I really have to urinate!

James:  When'd you start smokin'?
Donna:  I smoke every once in a while.  Helps relieve tension.
James:  When'd you get so tense?
Donna:  When I started smokin'.

Ben:     Go away.  Get out, go on!  Go on!  I'm going out for a sandwich.
         <scuffle scuffle>  No!  No!  No!  You can't do this!
Cooper:  It's already done.

Nadine:  Love me?
Big Ed:  You bet.

Secretary at the Great Northern:  The Norwegians are leaving!  The _Norwegians_
are _leaving_!

Cooper:  Gentlemen, two days ago a young woman was found murdered by the same
         killer I believe responsible for the death of Laura Palmer.  I have
         reason to believe the killer is in this room.  As a member of the
         Bureau I spend most of my time seeking simple answers to difficult
         questions.  In the pursuit of Laura's killer I have employed Bureau
         guidelines, deductive technique, Tibetan method, instinct, and luck.
         But now I find myself in need of something new, which for lack of a
         better word, I will call... magic.
 [Thunder & lightning!]
Ben:     Would you like us to hum?  A Tibetan chant, perhaps?
Albert (to Truman):  I think it's going wonderfully well, don't you?
Truman (to Cooper):  Now what?
Cooper:  Harry, I'm not completely sure.  Someone is missing.
         [Major and Senor Droolcup appear at the door as clock strikes 3]
Major:   Excuse us.
Cooper:  Major Briggs.  Right on time.
Major:   I was on my way home.  This kind gentleman flagged me down and asked
         if I could drive him here.
         [Senor Droolcup dodders up to Cooper and gives him a stick of gum]
Leland:  I know that gum!  I used to chew it when I was a kid!  That's my most
         favorite gum in the world.
Sen. Droolcup:  That gum you like is going to come back in style.
         [Still flashes of everyone in the room, ending with Cooper... the room
         fades out and the Giant appears.  The Giant holds out Cooper's ring
         and vanishes.  The ring falls to the floor and the vision ends.  
         Cooper pops the gum in his mouth, picks up the ring, and:]
Cooper:  Ben Horne, I would like you to accompany me to the sheriff's office.
         You might like to take along Leland Palmer as your attorney.

Pete:  There was a fish... in... the percolator!

<Cooper reaches for one of the Log Lady's cookies and she slaps his hand:>
Log Lady:  Wait for the tea!  The fish aren't running!

Truman:  Think they spotted us?
Cooper:  Gimme a donut.

Albert (in reference to Sheriff Truman):  Look, it's trying to think.

Secretary at the Great Northern:  Audrey, look what you've done!  Audrey....
Audrey, don't go in there--Audrey!

Cooper:  Diane, I've just entered the town of Twin Peaks.  Twelve miles south
of the Canadian border, eight miles west of the state line.  I've never seen
so many trees in my life!  As W. C. Fields would say, I'd rather be here than
Philadelphia.

Jacoby:  Bobby--did you CRY?!?

Ernie:  I never stole from a church!  It was a savings & loan!

Doc Hayward:  You're not going anywhere.
Cooper:       Doc, when the will is invoked, the recuperative powers of the
              physical body are simply extraordinary.  Just give me a couple
              of hours to get dressed.

Giant:  It is happening again.  It is happening again.

Hawk:  Good thing you guys can't keep a secret!

Little Man from Another Place:  Llllet'srock!
         [ringing sound, shadow moves across the curtains]
LMFAP:   That gum you liike is goinng to kum bak in styyle.  [looks at Laura]
         Shee's mi couzin.  Butt doesn't she look--almostt exactly--like
         Lowra Powlmer?
Cooper:  But, it is Laura Palmer.  [to Laura:]  Are you Laura Palmer?
Laura:   I feeel liike I knoww her, but sumtimes mi arrms bendback.
LMFAP:   Shee's filled with segrets.  Where we're from, the birds zing a
         happy zong, and therre's always muzic intheair.

Gordon:  I BELIEVE IN SECRECY, COOP!

Truman:  You know, you are the best lawman I have ever seen.  But Coop, some-
         times you think too much.
Cooper:  Thanks, Harry.

Jerry:  It's a baguette... with brie, and butter... I had six of these damn
things every day I was over there!

Truman:  Lucy, you better bring Agent Cooper up to date.
Lucy:    Leo Johnson was shot, Jacques Renault was strangled, the mill burned,
         Shelley and Pete got smoke inhalation, Catherine and Josie are
         missing, Nadine is in a coma from taking sleeping pills.
Cooper:  How long have I been out?
Truman:  Six hours.

Chief Icelander:  Ben, I am so happy, I can't even tell you how much.

Lucy:  Agent Cooper, I've got a call for you from a Mr. Albert Rosenfeld,
sounds like long distance.  It has that open air sound, you know, where it
sounds like wind blowing... like wind blowing through trees....

Log Lady:  We don't know what will happen, or when.  But there are owls at
           the Roadhouse.
Cooper:    The Roadhouse.  Something is happening, isn't it, Margaret?
Log Lady:  Yes.

Albert:  I've got compassion running out of my nose, pal--I'm the sultan of
sentiment!

Ed:  Nadine, don't you give up.  We'll just have to keep looking until we find
a patent attorney who understands drape runners.

Cooper:  Sheriff, we got a lot to talk about.

Jerry:  I'm in love... her name is Heppa... she's a giant snow queen with a
smile like a sunrise on an ice floe--you could go blind just _looking_ at this
girl!

Cooper:  There's a large group of insane men staying on my floor.

Mrs. Tremond:  I requested no creamed corn.  Do you see creamed corn on this
plate?

Pete:  Catherine????  You look terrible!  Just... terrible!!  Just TERRIBLE!!!

Ben:  Now let's get in there and get those cheese-eaters where they live.

Cooper:    What did your log see?
Log Lady:  Tea first.  Then be ready.

Judge Sternwood:  The woods are wondrous here, but strange.

Cooper:  Diane, it struck me again earlier this morning:  there are two things
that continue to trouble me, and I am speaking now not only as an agent of
the Bureau but also as a human being.  What really went on between Marilyn
Monroe and the Kennedys, and who really pulled the trigger on JFK?

Nadine:  I am so happy, Eddie, I could just kiss you to death!
Big Ed:  Oh, boy, Nadine.

Albert:  Mr. Horne, I recognize that your position in this fair community
pretty much guarantees venality, insincerity, and a rather irritating
manner of expressing yourself.  Stupidity, however, is not a necessarily
inherent trait.  Therefore, please listen closely--You can have a funeral any
old time.  You dig a hole, you plant a coffin.  I, however, cannot perform
these tests next year, next month, next week or even tomorrow--I must perform
them now.  <drill noise--VEEP VEEP!>  I've got a lot of cutting and pasting to
do, gentlemen, so please return to your porch rockers and resume whittling!
[Puts drill to Laura's forehead and starts drilling....]

Jerry:  Is this real, Ben?  Or just some strange and twisted dream?

Andy:         I've been wearing boxer shorts like you told me to.
Doc Hayward:  You want to give it another shot?

Harold:  Are you looking for secrets?  Is that what this is all about?  Well,
maybe I can help you.  Do you know what the ultimate secret is?  Do you want
to know?  Laura did.
The secret of knowing who killed you---

Ben:  Jerry?  Please kill Leland.

Cooper:  At a time like this, curiously, you begin to think of the things you
regret, or the things you might miss.  I would like in general to treat people
with much more care and respect.  I would like to climb a tall hill, but not
too tall, sit in the cool grass, but not too cool, and feel the sun on my face.
I wish I could have cracked the Lindbergh kidnapping case.  I would very much
like to make love to a beautiful woman who I had a genuine affection for.  And
of course it goes without saying that I would like to visit Tibet.  I wish that
the Tibetan government would allow the Dalai Lama to return to his native land.
Oh, I would like that very much.

Gordon:  WE'VE GOT A DIFFERENT PROBLEM HERE, COOP.  TWO PLUS TWO DOES NOT 
ALWAYS EQUAL FOUR!

Log Lady:  Shut your eyes and you'll burst into flames.
Truman:    Thanks, Margaret.

Cooper:  Twenty-four hour room service must be one of the premier achievements
of modern civilization.

James:  Would you like to play with fire, little boy?  Would you like to play
with BOB?  Would you like to play with _BOB_?

Pie-Eating Man:  Hot DAMN, that's good pie!

Albert:  Sounds like you've been snacking on some of the local mushrooms.

Cooper:  You have the right to remain silent.  Anything you say may be used
         against you in a court of law.  You have the right to an attorney.
BOB:     Hee hee hee!  Oh, I suppose you want to ask him some questions.
Cooper:  Did you kill Laura Palmer?
BOB:     WHOOOO!  WHOOOO!  WHOO WHOO WHOO WHOO WHOO WHOO WHOO WHOOO!!  That's
         a yes.
Cooper:  Did you kill Madeleine Ferguson?
BOB:     What do you think?
Cooper:  I'm asking you.
BOB:     No, what do you think?
Cooper:  That's not the question.
BOB:     Oh, gosh, oh, well, oh, gee!  I guess I kinda sorta did... I've got
         this thing for knives... just like what happened to you in PITTSBURGH
         that time, right, Cooper??  Oh, Leland, Leland, Leland... you've been
         a good vehicle, but you're getting old... weak... it's almost time to
         shuffle off to Buffalo!!
Cooper:  Does Leland know what you've done?
BOB:     Ah, Leland's a babe in the woods... with a large hole... where his
         conscience used to be.  But when I go, boys and girls, I will pull
         that ripcord--and you watch Leland remember!!  Watch him!  But not for
         long....  WHOO!  WHOO!
Truman:  That's good enough for me.

Pierre Tremond:  J'ai une ame solitaire.  [I have a solitary soul.]

Bobby:  Good thing we didn't light the candles!

Cooper:  Who's the lady with the log?
Truman:  Oh, we call her the Log Lady.

Ben:  Temporary insanity, Leland?  Hopefully, some of these people will be on
your jury.  You will be home free.

Cooper:  Harry, I'm gonna let you in on a little secret.  Every day, once a
day, give yourself a present.  Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just... let
it happen.  Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office
chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee.

Leland:  Sing hallelujah, c'mon, get happy--c'mon & chase all your blues away!

Albert:  Has anyone seen BOB on earth in the past few weeks?

Cooper:  Harry, the last thing I want you to worry about while I'm here is some
city slicker I brought into your town relieving himself upstream.

Truman:  You must have the metabolism of a bumblebee!

Mike:  In the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.  One chants
       out between two worlds, FIRE, WALK WITH ME.  We lived among the people.
       I think you say... convenience store.  We lived above it.  I mean it
       like it is, and it _sounds_!  I too was touched by the devilish one--
       tattoo on the left shoulder.  Ah, but when I saw the face of God, I was
       changed.  Took the entire arm off.  My name is Mike... _his_ name is
       BOB.
BOB:   Mike?  Mike?  Can you hear me?  Catch you, with my death bag!
       You may think I've gone insane, but I promise, _I_will_kill_again_!

Leland:  He would say, "Would you like to play with fire, little boy?"
         [flicks burning match at Cooper, Cooper picks it up and looks at it]
Cooper:  That's our man.  <Poof!>

Senor Droolcup:  How ya doin' down there?

Giant:   I will tell you three things.  If I tell them to you, and they come
         true, then will you believe me?
Cooper:  Who's that?
Giant:   Think of me as a friend.
Cooper:  Where do you come from?
Giant:   The question is, where have you gone?  The first thing I will tell
         you is:  there is a man in a smiling bag.
Cooper:  Man in a smiling bag.
Giant:   The second thing is:  the owls are not what they seem.  The third
         thing is:  without chemicals, he points.
Cooper:  What do these things mean?
Giant:   This is all I'm permitted to say.  Give me your ring.  I will return
         it to you when you find these things to be true.  We want to help you.
Cooper:  Who's "we"?
Giant:   One last thing:  Leo locked inside a hungry horse.  There is a clue at
         Leo's house.  You will require medical attention.

Albert (after Andy boards himself):  And it's another great moment in law
enforcement history.

Shelley:  I don't care about the money.  I don't want Leo home.
Bobby:    Leo is in dream-land.  We can stick him in a corner and hang donuts
          from his ears.

Cooper:  This must be where pies go when they die.

Truman:  Anything we should be working on?
Albert:  Yeah, try not dragging your knuckles on the ground when you walk!

Jerry:  Next stop:   Rocket Science!!!!

Cooper:  Can I ask her about her log?
Truman:  Many have.

Albert:  I know, Andy, I know.  It's what we call a three-hanky crime.

Andy:  I want to talk about my child--our baby.
Lucy:  Maybe.
Andy:  Maybe what?
Lucy:  Maybe it is our baby and maybe it isn't!
Andy:  DICK?!  My lord, is HE the father?
Lucy:  At first I thought _you_ were the father!  But then you said you didn't
       have any sperms!  Then I thought it was Dick, but now you say your
       sperms are back!  So as far as I can tell it's a fifty-fifty propo-
       sition!

Pete:  She's dead... wrapped in plastic!

Cooper:  DAMN good coffee, and HOT!

Albert:  Oh yeah?  Well, I've had about enough of morons and halfwits, dolts,
dunces, dullards and dumbbells--and you chowderhead yokel, you blithering
hayseed, you--you've had enough of me?

Jerry:  Is there any sign of her?  Bones?  Teeth?

Cooper:  Short stack of griddle cakes, maple syrup slightly heated, melted
butter, slice of ham... nothing beats the taste sensation when maple syrup
<CLAP> collides with ham.

Log Lady:  Come then!  My log does not judge!

Judge Sternwood:  Life is hard, dear.  Still, it's harder in most places than
in Twin Peaks.

Cooper:  Diane, it's 11:55 pm, approximately 19 hours since the shooting
incident which nearly caused me to make a premature purchase of the proverbial
farm.

Log Lady:      You wear shiny objects on your chest.
Major Briggs:  Yes, I do.
Log Lady:      Are you proud?
Major Briggs:  No, achievement is its own reward.  Pride obscures it.  Cream?

Cooper:  Where does BOB come from?
Mike:    That cannot be revealed.

Mrs. Briggs:  We're here for you, Bobby!

Gwen:  The first time I nursed my baby I just sort of held him like this, you
know, and I looked down at him to see what kind of a tiny creature I was 
dealing with, and the first thing that popped into my mind was, "Just what the
world needs.  Another potential sperm gun running around."

Ben:  Nice touch, Leo.  Bright red sports car for a secret meeting.  Nice.

Jerry:  Clearly, this man's stairs do not reach the attic!

Cooper:  And as we all know from experiments conducted during the Korean War,
Diane, sleep deprivation is a one-way ticket to temporary psychosis.

Leland:  Mares eat oats, and does eat oats, and little lambs eat ivy... a
kid'll eat ivy too, wouldn't you?

Cooper:  Harry, my dream is a code waiting to be broken.  Break the code, solve
         the crime.
Lucy (taking notes):  Break the... code, solve the... crime.

Bobby:  Bills?  Forget about bills.  I'm talking about a new way of life.

BOB:  Leland says you're going back to MISSOULA, MONTANAAA!!!  <CRASH!!!!>

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robertj@Autodesk.COM            |  ignorance, pause, and think of hypertext."
{decwrl,uunet}!autodesk!robertj |    -- K. Eric Drexler, _Engines of Creation_

Okay, kiddies, I'd been skipping all the fuss over who shot Cooper in the
last couple weeks; I'd figured that I'd find out in this episode.  But I
haven't.  Did I miss something obvious?  I thought that Leland/BOB had been
ruled out...

Earle, maybe?

Hmm...

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In article <28197@megaron.cs.arizona.edu>, gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary Newell) writes:
> >
> > [valid and non-insulting criticism deleted]
> > 
> > The scene with naval
> > personnel bouncing rubber balls in the GN while a spastic one-armed man
> > wiggles in his chair would seem an example of this in my opinion - what
> > purpose did those people serve? Did it relate in anyway to the plot? 

  This scene has been brought up several times as evidence that TP is
  worthless crap.  The basis for the claim is that it has nothing to
  do with the plot, as you indicate.  This is valid only if one believes
  that advancement of plot is the only thing that is important, which I
  don't.  Had the scene been done without bouncing balls, the storyline
  wouldn't have changed one bit and no argument would have begun about
  how the color of their shoes related to WKLP.  With them, Lynch throws
  the viewer off guard by doing something totally unpredictable and
  totally irrelevant, just like real life.
  
  When I look at the Mona Lisa, I see a painting of a woman.  Others see 
  the whole of creation wrapped up in a series of brush strokes.  No 
  plot is taking place yet it can be praised as a masterpiece.  The same
  can be said of TP.  The plot in TP is secondary to the character
  development and atmosphere.  I watch because of the skill of those
  who work on the show to flesh out characters and draw me into a world
  that is at times unpredictable.  

  TP is a world unlike any other on TV.  It isn't perfect, but it
  is a lot better than the average show where plot is more important
  than character and everything needs to be explained at an elementary
  level.

> > a show or a movie without a solid plot is still a
> > show with little plot no matter how nicely packaged it is.

  A movie can have absolutely no plot and still be good, though.

> >[stuff deleted]
> >  That is not to say that the show is without any merit. The unique and
> > interesting images are often "worth the price of admission" so to speak,
> > but the show could be better if it was more careful with its plot and
> > less focussed on simply being bizarre. IMHO of course.....

  There is always room for improvement.  As ambitious as TP is, I'm
  quite impressed at how well it has performed.

> > gln

  Peter.
  wilson@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu
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*    that I am a naysayer and hatchet man in the fight against      *
*    violence.  I pride myself in taking a punch, and I'll          *
*    gladly take another because I choose to live my life in        *
*    the company of Gandhi and King.  My concerns are global.       *
*    I reject, absolutely, revenge, aggression, and retaliation.    *
*    The foundation of such a method ... is love.  I love you       *
*    Sheriff Truman." -- Albert, _Twin_Peaks_                       *
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So BOB was able to change hosts as soon as Leland was about to die.
He knew it was coming, and skipped out at the last second.  I'll bet
he entered the unborn fetus inside of whatsherface upstairs as she was
presenting her ultimatum to the two could-be fathers.  So, this means
that there is now an UNBORN BOB waiting to be unleashed upon the world
in seven or eight months.  It would be a smart thing for him to lay
low for a while, and this is the perfect opportunity.

-ken
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   home: 382 hope st #1 providence ri 02906 phone: 272-0647

Heard on Good Morning America this morning.....  Joan Lunden did an
interview with Peggy Lipton.  Peggy hinted that there may be a new love
interest on the horizon for Norma.  (I kinda liked Big Ed myself)

Does everybody remember Peggy from Mod Squad?  She was kinda tongue'n'cheek
about that time in her life.  She said she finally got around to throwing out
her hippie clothes recently.

Let's see.  Who could we hitch Norma up with......  I got it!  How about
Andy!



Con

In article <1990Dec3.213938.16214@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >In our town those styles first came in in the late 60's say 1988-89.
                                                    ^^         ^^^^^
The *very* late 60's!  :-)
 
> >Isn't Lelland the right age to know and love that music?

Perhaps.  Let's see... net estimates have Leland being about 45, which meshes
with his meeting Bob for the first time when he was a child 40 years ago.

That means he was born in 1945... he'd have just caught the tail end of the
the big band era, though at age 5 he probably wouldn't have been dancing to it.
-- Bernie Roehl, University of Waterloo Electrical Engineering Dept Mail: broehl@watserv1.waterloo.edu OR broehl@watserv1.UWaterloo.ca BangPath: {allegra,decvax,utzoo,clyde}!watmath!watserv1!broehl Voice: (519) 885-1211 x 2607 [work]

> > One of my friends suggested that Bob is actually Angela
> > Lansbury, the lady on "Murder She Wrote" who always showed
> > up about 5 minutes before a murder.
.-.
|C|lose.  With BOB, it's a matter of "feeding on the fears
`-' . . . and the pleasures. . . . They are his children."
    With Angela Lansbury, they are her nephews and nieces:
    remember that when she shows up 5 minutes before any
    murder, she's always visiting a nephew or a niece.
.-.
|T|he Aunt From Hell:  Every time she comes to visit, one
`-' of your friends is murdered.  And then, ghoul-like, she
    writes another best-seller based on the tragedy.

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/X243/K822/L262/B23/THE/OWLS/ARE/NOT/WHAT/THEY/SEEM/B383/L947/M84/
/M867/B586/K389/O98/AND/I/LIKE/WHALES/N37/B88/L867/P213/N297/B957/
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> > I took for granted that Coop's been to Tibet, since it keeps
> > springing up in conversations, both on and off the show. . . .
> > Please enlighten me: What _is_ Coop's connection to Tibet?
.-.
|I| don't think he's been there.  When he was lying on the
`-' floor, shot, he told Diane, "of course it goes without
    saying that I like to visit Tibet."
.-.
|I|n the first season he explains that he had a dream ten
`-' years ago, in which he awoke feeling great sympathy for
    the Tibetan people and their plight.

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> > i thought at first that the tinted, oddly-shot scenes of wrecked
> > cars and all were Cooper's flashbacks of Pittsburgh . . .
.-.
|W|hile Pittsburgh has wrecked cars here and there, it's certainly
`-' not famous for them.  Scranton, Pennsylvania (on the opposite
    end of the state), is.  There's a whole mountainside of them
    right next to the Interstate (and those mountains are lonnng,
    sorta ridgelike).
.-.
|P|ittsburgh is famous for smog, rust, and me.
`-'
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In article <58366@brunix.UUCP> kph@cs.brown.edu (Kenneth Paul Herndon) writes:
> >
> >So BOB was able to change hosts as soon as Leland was about to die.
> >He knew it was coming, and skipped out at the last second.  I'll bet
> >he entered the unborn fetus inside of whatsherface upstairs as she was
> >presenting her ultimatum to the two could-be fathers.  So, this means
> >that there is now an UNBORN BOB waiting to be unleashed upon the world
> >in seven or eight months.  It would be a smart thing for him to lay
> >low for a while, and this is the perfect opportunity.

  I still interpret the ending of the last episode as BOB, having departed
Leland, entering the body of an owl. I assume the unusual viewpoint is
BOB's, being in non-corporeal form hunting for one. We know that BOB plays
a part in the rest of the 9 episodes so the fetus idea is unlikely. It'd
just take too darn long. Bobby was acting pretty goofy in the highlights
for next week, maybe it's him. Then there is always Leo (brain damage),
Nadine (bonkers), and Donna (acting like Laura who BOB tried to possess).



- Mark Cromwell

>> >> The scene with naval personnel bouncing rubber balls in the GN
>> >> while a spastic one-armed man wiggles in his chair would seem
>> >> an example of this in my opinion . . .
> > This scene has been brought up several times as evidence that
> > TP is worthless crap.
.-.
|P|erhaps it's just Art For Art's Sake (TM).  I can see how some
`-' people (critics included) might dismiss Lynch's oddities as
    frivolous, but I can't agree.
.-.
|T|he buck's head on the table is a great example.  This was
`-' flimed in a real bank, which really had a buck's head on
    its table.  Lynch recognized this as a nice piece of
    quirky reality that fits in well with his quirky view of
    America, and kept it in.  Ditto for the spastic light in
    the morgue.

      * * *
.-.
|I| remember somebody (Paul Raveling?) telling us there was a
`-' reason for the bouncing balls, that it had been filmed, and
    that it had been edited out.  Out of curiosity, is there
    any way we could find out what the reason was?  If somebody
    out there is related to Scott Frost, perhaps they could call
    him up and ask. :-)

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> > I think we're going to have to conclude that the diary we
> > bought in the stores & the diary found in the show.
.-.
|T|his must be some new use of the ampersand I haven't heard of.
`-' It makes no sense as an "and" operator (bitwise or not).  Or
    maybe the sentence expired before its time.  At any rate, I
    believe you're trying to say that the two are not the same.
.-.
|I| disagree.  Aside from the matter of it being a year off, the
`-' show and the diary have been mostly compatible.

> > they found pages from a diary written by Laura on the night
> > she died, & the unsecret diary had no pages missing.
.-.
|H|uh?  The unsecret diary doesn't enter into it.  The secret
`-' diary (as published) had pages ripped out, including some
    right before the last entry.

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If I were Bob, and wanted to pick a host who was both unstable enough
to let me in AND strong enough to do serious violence, I'd pick
Nadine!

Just a thought .... :-)
Julie Kozaczka Stahlhut
"I'm not especially responsible but it's not my employer's fault."

In article <1990Dec3.172554.267@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu>, wilson@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu (Peter D. Wilson) writes:
> > In article <28197@megaron.cs.arizona.edu>, gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary Newell) writes:
>> > > The scene with naval
>> > > personnel bouncing rubber balls in the GN while a spastic one-armed man
>> > > wiggles in his chair would seem an example of this in my opinion - what
>> > > purpose did those people serve? Did it relate in anyway to the plot? 
> >   This scene has been brought up several times as evidence that TP is
> >   worthless crap.  The basis for the claim is that it has nothing to

I didn't say worhtless crap - my point is that a number of scenes did nothing
to advance the plot - the one above along with various things that dealt with
the murder (why wasn't ronnette offed anyway? - seems strange that Bob/leland
would put a letter under her nail and not just snuff her...)

> >   do with the plot, as you indicate.  This is valid only if one believes
> >   that advancement of plot is the only thing that is important, which I
> >   don't.  Had the scene been done without bouncing balls, the storyline
> >   wouldn't have changed one bit and no argument would have begun about
> >   how the color of their shoes related to WKLP.  With them, Lynch throws
> >   the viewer off guard by doing something totally unpredictable and
> >   totally irrelevant, just like real life.

 Fair enough - but the key to your statement is that scenes which have nothing
to do with the plot are somehow worthwhile - although in the general case I
would agree, in this case, the number of such scenes is large and one
has to question if it is not overkill...

> >   can be said of TP.  The plot in TP is secondary to the character
> >   development and atmosphere.  I watch because of the skill of those
> >   who work on the show to flesh out characters and draw me into a world
> >   that is at times unpredictable.  

But I claim that the characters (many of them at least) are not developed
at all. Remember Donna's bizarre behavior at the jail? What ever became of
that? The characters are often used as simple tools to help create an
image that has nothing to do with the plot - to me that actually works to
make the characters seem even less appealing or "real" than they would have if 
they were actually developed in a linear fashion - not that they should
always act in some particularway, but that they should act in a way which is
consistent with the plot and the social context of twin-peaks.

> >   TP is a world unlike any other on TV.  It isn't perfect, but it
> >   is a lot better than the average show where plot is more important
> >   than character and everything needs to be explained at an elementary
> >   level.

 I used to think this but episodes in the second half of this season have
lead me to believe otherwise. I felt as if the writers made it a point
to explain as much as they could at an elementary level - there really
wasn't anything left as mysterious here. In fact, the sad part is, they
often used the character's dialogue to get certain points about the
plot across - the 12/1 episode did this much too much in my opinion. 
Although I thought the Leland/Bob interview scene was entertaining, I
also thought it was a bit 'forced' at times - it seemd clear to me
that the dialogue was only intended to clear up any confusion amongst
the "average viewing audience" and not really an attempt to advance
the plot or develop the characters.

> >   A movie can have absolutely no plot and still be good, though.

For example? I cannot think of a movie with *no* plot that can
be considered good - strange yes, unique yes, but good? I don't know...


gln

His step-brother (who looks uncannily like him, but with brown hair
and perhaps a mustache) will arrive from Salt Lake City for the wake
and to execute his estate. He will make romantic overtures to the
Log Lady (the only woman currently without a love interest) and be
bumped off early next season by the newly Bob-infested Donna.

Well, I'm not sure if it will be Donna, James, Andy, Lucy, or Dick --
but one of them.

alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:

> >        I was disappointed too.  I know a number of people who believe in
> > demons. And once people get that idea, all other explanations for bad
> > behavior are discarded. People stop thinking. They stop using their imaginati
> > To come so close to confronting family abuse and to opt for a supernatural
> > explanation, that's a cop out to me.
> >  
On the other hand, if (>IF<) there are such things as demons, we might 
block any chance of defeating them by acting as if they don't exist. 
Imagine if BOB had continued his killing spree while Leland underwent 
long-term psychoanalysis.

To come so close to tieing the supernatural strands together then to opt 
for a mundane explanation would have been a cop out to me.

Joe Zitt...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

In article <1990Dec3.173456.16348@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >Where is BOB now?
 
In Bob Barker.


-- Peter Dill dill@acsu.buffalo.edu "Never send a monster to do the work of an evil genius"

Some twit just called me on the phone, waking me up, and refusing to 
identify himself, other than as a reader of alt.recovery. He claimed that 
I ruined his appreciation of this episode of Twin Peaks, and messed up
"a very important part of his recovery" by stating, without a spoiler, in 
one of my messages that was part of a continuing conversation taking 
place on both alt.tv.twin-peaks and alt.recovery, that Leland had died.

I just took a look at all the messages I have posted since that time 
(they are collected in the monitor newsgroup here), and NOWHERE did I 
state that Leland was dead.

As I would say in email if you had the decency to identify yourself while 
busting into my home with your telephone call, how DARE you lambast me 
for being inconsiderate in doing something I did not do, as you show
how enormously considerate you are by calling at this late an hour and 
WAKING ME UP?

(and if you're planning on hassling me for considering my sleep more 
important than your "recovery", save your breath. I don't even know who
the hell you are, and I don't particularly care.)

In my sleepiness, I apologized to you. I hereby retract the apology. 
Whoever you are, and whatever you are recovering from, I hope one of the 
steps cures your apparent rectal/cranial inversion. And I hope the Man From
Another Place shows up in your dreams tonight and tells you the plot of the
entire rest of the season.

Joe Zitt...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

From article <28197@megaron.cs.arizona.edu>, by gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary Newell):

>
> About a month ago, I read an article in the Sunday paper which dealt
> with a book that had been recently written. The book contained criticism of
> modern directors...

It really was quite a good article. Essentially, the article argued that
Lynch uses a literary device called "the plotless narrative". Now a plot
would be something like "the King died then the Queen died because of grief".
The reader/viewer is given sound reasons for developments in the storyline.
In plotless narrative we may see the following images "King dying, Queen
grieving, funeral for Queen", but not necessarily in that order. If it's
done right then we can piece it all together and get some type of story
out of it that makes sense. The images are used to tell the story in
a disconnected fashion. Robert Altman is a director who's very good at
this type of narrative as are numerous European directors and of course
David Lynch. I think everyone agrees that Lynch is a master of vivid
images. But the danger of using vivid images is that in order
to make them vivid, one may have to skew them slightly. For example,
a mundane scene involving Donna at the jail will call upon Donna to
act oddly to make that image work, to keep the viewer interested, though
her acting odd may have nothing to do with the eventual plot. The plot
does not entertain in the short term, the images do. This spells
trouble for viewers trying to piece together some type of plot or
hoping in vain that everything will eventually fit together cleanly.
The sheer volume and number of wacko plot theories here in alt.tv.twin-peaks
clearly illustrates the above point.

Twin Peaks lies on the spectrum between MTV (all images, no plot) and
PBS's Mystery (usually great plots, tight murder mysterys, but very dull
images). Anyways, it seems quite clear that many of the images, many of the
odd touches to scenes in Twin Peaks are merely there to keep the viewer
entertained and do not have anything to do with developing a "plot".
This is what gln said. Of course many people watch Twin Peaks just
for the images, which is what a lot of other people said.
So it manages to keep everyone happy and disgruntled all at once.

Curtis E. Dyreson

Disclaimer: The above opinions aren`t even mine let alone any company or
university which unwittingly employees me.