Season 2, Episode 06: Demons — November 03–09, 1990

In article <1990Oct28.171523.1093@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> dmm0t@hudson.acc.Virginia.EDU (Dave Meyer) writes:
> >
> >When Truman foils Cooper's plan to keep him out of what's going on,
> >they've got a second problem.  What they're doing at OEJ's is
> >breaking and entering, which is certainly illegal.  The reason
> >for not telling Hawk is not that they don't trust him, but that
> >they don't want to get him involved in anything illegal.

Well, they sure blew that one, didn't they.

I've been really surprised to see no discussion of this...perhaps
people are so used to random violence in media they haven't really
thought about it. What are the implications of what Hawk did? He
presuambly killed that man - it was not in the line of duty and
his being there in the first place is almost certainly illegal.
And of course, this will open up the whole can of worms of
what the hell Truman and Cooper were doing there illegally.
How are they going to deal with this? They could all lie to
cover up for each other, but I can't see them doing that.
And *was* Hawk justified in killing that man?

Incidentally, we saw a certain resemblence between Hawk's
appearance and Maddy's vision of BOB in the living room.
But then, we're starting to see things everywhere....
-- c2h5oh@ucscb.ucsc.edu | "She sat very upright...and read to her grand- | mother about a cat who ate a rat and afterwards, | feeling replete, no doubt, sat upon a mat."

In article <44025@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU>, v075nkds@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Julie A Moran) writes...

} BTW, a lot of people write about the information contained in the Secret
} Diary. However, I'm curious about the tapes containing Cooper's messages
} to Diane. Has anyone bought the cassette? Does it merely contain the
} messages we've already heard on the show or is there additional material
} that would be of interest to the TP newsnet?

Most of the dictations that have appeared on the show itself are on the
tape. Most, but not all (eg. the one about looking into buying property
in TP is not on the tape). It even included Cooper's dictation while he
was lying wounded on the floor of his hotel room in the second season
premiere. While in retrospect, this is no big deal, the fact that the
tape was released about one or two weeks *before* the premiere made that
dictation interesting.

Anyway, to answer your question, yes, there is additional material on the
tape -- written by Scott Frost, according to Paul Raveling -- that does
not appear in any of the broadcast episodes. Some of this additional
material is hysterically funny. An example:

"Diane, 3 PM. Just back from the Lydecker Clinic.
While a llama may produce some of the finest wool
prized around the world, it's breath on the other
hand could only be prized somewhere in the far
reaches of llama hell."

-- "Good thing you guys can't keep a secret." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <4585@husc6.harvard.edu>, skoglun1@husc9.harvard.edu (Kevin Skoglund) writes...

} Also, has everyone forgotten Jacoby?  I missed one episode so I may
} be missing something.

You are. In the 10/27 episode, it was mentioned that he went to Hawaii to
recuperate.

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In article <8240@darkstar.ucsc.edu>, jeob@ucscf.ucscc.ucsc.edu (Jennifer O'Brien) writes...

} One small point. Piper Laurie did not co-star with Jack Lemmon in
} "Days of Wine and Roses". I'm almost positive that it was Lee Remick.
} Sorry to be so nit-picky, but it seemed so appropriate for this
} frame-by-frame newsgroup

You are correct. It was Jack Lemmon and Lee Remick in the film version
of THE DAYS OF WINE AND ROSES. However, the film was itself based on a
television play written for the 50's anthology series PLAYHOUSE 90. In
the tv version, Piper Laurie starred with Cliff Robertson.

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In article <672@kaos.MATH.UCLA.EDU>, sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (William Sherman) writes...

} In article <43993@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> v075nkds@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu writes:

} My impression was that when Sarah was telling Andy and Harry about BOB,
} Leland was ridiculing her supposedly psychic vision.

This is correct. In fact, he says with some disdain, "Why don't you tell
them about the necklace?"

} Andy did the sketch; Hawk was upstairs with Leland, searching Laura's
} room.

No, you're confusing two different scenes. Hawk was in Laura's room going
through her belongings with Leland in the *pilot*. At the same time, Harry
was downstairs questioning Sarah about Laura's doings the night before.
Andy then comes in to tell Harry about Ronette Pulaski's disappearance.

The scene in which Andy sketches the man from Sarah's vision was in a
later episode. At that time, Hawk was out trying to track down the
One-Armed Man.

People keep thinking that it was Hawk who did the sketch because that's
what Cooper told Harry when he related his dream. And apparently, this
*is* the case in the Euroversion of the pilot.

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Excerpts from netnews.alt.tv.twin-peaks: 2-Nov-90 Re: TP: some theories
Emmanuel Goldstein@well. (718)

> > In the show, James told Donna that Laura
> > told him that Bobby told her that he had killed someone. (I'm
> > REALLY sorry for that last sentence but I couldn't think of any
> > other way to phrase that.)

All is forgiven.  I appreciate grammatical gymnastics from time to time.

> > Anyway, in the diary, Laura was WITH
> > Bobby when he shot someone who was chasing them after a drug
> > deal gone sour. So it wouldn't be necessary for Bobby to
> > TELL her this. Unless he killed someone ELSE. Or unless
> > Laura keeps forgetting....

OR unless Laura simply didn't want to tell James that she was with Bobby
then...

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For the purposes of videotape cataloging, I've adopted a naming
convention for the episodes of Twin Peaks that perhaps the rest of you
would like to adopt.  The convention is threefold.

First, an episode has a season and a sequence number.  The pilot, for
instance, is episode 1/0.

Second, an episode is comprised of one or two "hours" of the series. 
The pilot consists of hours one and two.  (Apologies to the British,
whose different broadcast conventions result in 50 minute rather than 1
hour shows.)

Third, each episode has a name that I arbitrarily assign based on some
prominent occurrence in that episode.  Here, then, is my list to date of
Twin Peaks episodes:

"Pilot"1/0Hours 1, 2
"Fish in the Percolator"1/1Hour 3
"Tibetan Rock-Throwing"1/2Hour 4
"Funeral"1/3Hour 5
"The One-Armed Man"1/4Hour 6
"The Cabin"1/5Hour 7
"Waldo's Story"1/6Hour 8
"Cliffhangers"1/7Hour 9

"Season 2 Premiere"2/0Hours 10, 11
"Creamed Corn"2/1Hour 12
"Albert Loves Harry"2/2Hour 13
"Andy's Fertility Rites"2/3Hour 14
"Audrey's Rescue"2/4Hour 15


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Excerpts from netnews.alt.tv.twin-peaks: 1-Nov-90 Re: biblical
references to .. Number 6@hpcuhd.HP.COM (861)

> > Well, I ain't got the tape anymore, but I thought he said that the tatoo
> > read something like "Fire, Walk with me..."

What he says, exactly, is:

    Through the darkness of future pasts
    The magician longs to see
    One chants out between two worlds [not everyone agrees that this
        is the correct wording of this line  --bg]
    "Fire, walk with me."

    We lived among the people.  I think you say, "convenience store."  I
    mean it like it is, like it sounds.  I too have been touched by the
    devilish one.  Tattoo on the left shoulder.  Oh, but when I saw the
    face of God, I was changed!  I took the entire arm off.  My name is
    Mike.  His name is Bob.


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In article <1990Nov2.102629.20998@planet.bt.co.uk> tlj@planet.bt.co.uk (Tim Lennard-Jones) writes:

   I don't know what the groups should be called, whether they should be
   under uk or under the existing alt.tv and rec.arts.movies.

Count me in as well. I would prefer them to be under alt/rec rather
than under uk -- this is for selfish reasons in that we don't get a
'uk' newsfeed here (our feed comes from California!).


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Excerpts from netnews.alt.tv.twin-peaks: 2-Nov-90 Re: 10/27 episode
"Lefty"@twg.com (785)

> > In article <90301.173532AXN100@psuvm.psu.edu> AXN100@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>> > > One place Cathrine could have gotten the 5 mill would be from insurance
>> > > money.  If you remember, the insurance agent told her if she needed anything
>> > > to call him.  I'm betting she did.

> > Uh huh.

> > An insurance salesman walks into his office and says to the cashier, "Can 
> > you let me have five million dollars for a couple of days?  I've got a 
> > friend who needs some cash for a week or so..."

WHAT 5 mil?  All we've seen is a check, supposedly drawn on a Hong Kong
bank.  Until we know there's really such a bank and really such a bank
account, that $5e6 check is just a slip of paper.

The only money Catherine-as-Tojamura would need right now is the cash to
pay for her room in the Great Northern.

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Excerpts from netnews.alt.tv.twin-peaks: 2-Nov-90 Re: Re: Leland trapped
in '.. campbell_d@cho006.cho.ge (187)

> >   Sorry to wreck your train theory, but I believe that

> > Pennsylvania 6-5000 referred to a phone number from the

> > days when exchanges had names (e.g. PA6-5000 is 726-5000).

True.  (Note that whenever the band calls out "Pennsylvania-6-5000!"
there is the sound of a phone ringing.)  Pennsylvania-6-5000, by the
way, translates to PE6-5000 (*ALWAYS* use the first two letters, unlike
postal abbreviations), which is 736-5000, which was the number of the
famous New York hotel across the street from Penn Station (darn, what
was its name?), hence the "Pennsylvania."  This hotel was the
inspiration for the song "Pennsylvania-6-5000."

Darn, what WAS the name of the hotel?  I used to be at Penn Station
twice a week.  This is driving me nuts.  (I know that the hotel changed
its name some years ago, due to a merger or something...)

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> >Is Lynch going to play Cooper's boss?  
Yes, Iread that somewhere he will be in future shows..

j_halpin@turkey.dec.com (Jim Halpin) writes:

> > Hell, in that town the firewood probably cuts & stacks itself. When its
> > seasoned it hops off the pile, walks into the house and throws itself on the
> > fire!!!
> > 
> > Why not, we have a log that delivers messages, right? :-)

Ah -- so it's a >log< that tells other logs "Fire, walk with me."

Joe Zitt...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:

> > In article <1990Oct28.131635.240@cho006.cho.ge.com> campbell_d@cho006.cho.ge.
> > 
>> > >  LOS ANGELES (AP) - Peaks freaks, rejoice.  On       Tweakies, please!
> > 
> >                                                        !!!!!!!!
> > 
> >                                                        Please *not*.
> >                                                        "Tweakies"
> >                                                        indeed. <mumble>
> > 
It could be words. Some at my office call us "Twinkies".

Joe Zitt...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

William Sherman writes:

> >In article <60443@bbn.BBN.COM> giannone@BBN.COM (Tony Giannone) writes:

>> >>    4. When Ed brought Nadine home it looked like there was a small statue
>> >>       (with a patch over one eye) on the shelf in the background 8-}

> >It was there in the first season.  It's in the 'Monday' episode, the
> >one with Laura's funeral, the third episode after the pilot.  Right
> >before the funeral, there's a long shot of Nadine's bric-a-brac shelf,
> >ending with a scene featuring the Hurley family.  It's not a statue,
> >but there is a small bust of a woman with an eyepatch.

I've been aware that each episode of Twin Peaks basically covers the events
of one day. Hill Street Blues (which Mark Frost had a hand in) followed the
same principle. Have there been any exceptions in Twin Peaks so far? Could
someone post a list of episodes which shows what major events occurred on
what days? It would go something like this:

   PilotFriday, February ?, 198?Laura's body found

     1
     2
     3Monday, February ?, 198?Laura's funeral
     .
     .
     .

Regards,
Mark Collier
Hewlett-Packard Company
Loveland, Colorado

this is in regard to all the speculation of the actor playing mr. tojimura.
both fumio and yamaguchi _are_ japanese names. i worked in an insurance
office this summer that sold insurance to japanese families in the usa
on business that kept them here a while.(and they did have some different
names, two of them being those above)
                        shira r kash

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(please be nice, this is my first posting)

v075nkds@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Julie A Moran) asked:

> >BTW, a lot of people write about the information contained in the 
> >Secret Diary. However, I'm curious about the tapes containing Cooper's
> >messages to Diane. Has anyone bought the cassette? Does it merely contain
> >the messages we've already heard on the show or is there additional
> >material that would be of interest to the TP newsnet?

Yes, this tape has only the theme music and the messages that Cooper said
to Diane as they appeared on the show.  And a bunch of annoying clicking
noises between each message.




--RC Bates             Carnegie Mellon School of Urban and Public Affairs
  RB5d@Andrew.CMU.Edu  University of Pittsburgh School of Law

             >>If this is printed on paper, please recycle it.<<

I attended the DAMN fine Mojo/Pam TP Party (mentioned above) as one of the two
Agent Coopers.

At the official Apple Halloween Party, I saw only one TP'er...a Dr. Jacoby who
seemed DAMN pleased I recognised the character.

-Rob

Apologies if this has already been discussed, but are we *sure*
there was a blue chemical in the syringe that the one-armed man
dropped?  On reviewing my tape, it looks like the syringe is
empty, and the blue part is just the plastic hub of the needle.
Look at it this way: if the blue part is *not* the hub of the
needle, then where *is* the hub of the needle?  (Needle hubs
are frequently just that shade of blue plastic, by the way.)

--puzzled, Fiona O.

In article <46216@apple.Apple.COM> scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass) writes:
> >Fiona Oceanstar -- you're the psychologist, right?

Psychiatrist (M.D.)--but close enough.  :-)

> > Well, do they
> >really send forty-year-old women with extraordinary strength who
> >believe they're still in high school home with their husbands?

Part of the reason I decided not to post anymore of my psychiatric
thoughts about TP is that it's departing more and more from possible
reality.  The only condition that I know of in which people really
believe they're still in high school is a variation of Parkinson's
disease (usually post-encephalitic), and the reason some of those
patients believe that is because they get sick when they're in HS
and then stay "stuck" there for the years following.  No way Nadine
has that.  In fact, she doesn't have anything remotely resembling
what she *should* have--either due to her preceding mental illness,
or due to the overdose.  So.... it's TP reality, not real reality,
so what difference does it make?  :-)  Actually, people with pretty
severe delusions and possible dangerous behavior *are* frequently
sent home with relatives.  TP doesn't appear to have a psychiatric
hospital, so there's no therapeutic reason to keep her in chains
in the general hospital.  Personally, I think she should be sent
to the nearest university hospital psychiatry ward, so she can get
a diagnosis.  We have no idea, right now, what disorder she's suffer-
ing from--and Hayward is no shrink--so how is she supposed to be
being treated?  It's weird, as I say.

> >what about Leo?  Would they send him home for his teenaged wife to
> >look after?

Not too improbable, actually.  But there would need to be a lot of
special equipment, a trained nurse who at least comes in during the
daytime, and so on.  What Leo is really at risk for, right now, is
inhaling his food (aspirating) and getting pneumonia from that.
Again, we don't know enough about what his diagnosis is, what his
level of functioning is (how good is his breathing? swallowing?
response to pain? etc.).  The term "a vegetable" is pretty damn
vague.

Reading this newsgroup is starting to feel too much like working
<sigh>  But I don't mind the occasional question, really.  I just
don't have the energy to write up full psychiatric assessments for
Leland, Andy, Harold, etc.--that's what I do for a living, and "Twin
Peaks" is supposed to be recreation.  Thanks for all the kind feed-
back about my Ronette posting, though.  :-)

--Fiona Oceanstar

  This is just a scene to make Cooper look like a super human character.
 Card counting is something that many people have heard of, but have
never really studied.  Those in the know realize that any good casino
(an may of ill repute) do not use only a 52 card deck, also they do not
deal to the final card.  Thus this is just being used to parallel Copper
with Bond (ok bad comparason, but Bond did love the black 17 on
roulette, and he did always play Chemin de Fer [or Baccarat depending
upon the director]).
 
  Now another scene in which we see one of Cooper's super human traits
is in the shooting gallery in the first season. "Two through each eye,
and one in each nostril."  Now, very few people on this planet can make
a shot, recover from the recoil, and put a bullet in exactly the same
place as before without any sort of brace what so ever.  
 
  Forget the card counting business, and other such trivia, they're fun,
but do only one thing and that is raise Cooper into a higher plane than
the rest of humanity (then again we know he ain't normal, mostly because
of Tibet)
 
Actually, I was amused when Coop was thrown off by the log lady when he
visited her in the first season, but that's just me.
 
J-l P

Is it my imagination, or did Coopers conversation with Horne include the
following?  Cooper called Renualt John and then Horne called him Jean.  I
though that Cooper gave him a look like "aha, got you."  Am I right, or did
I just spend too much time sniffing glue as a youth?

Also, after the 11/3/90 episode, if there anyone out there who still doesn't
think that the Japanese guy (name forgotten) is really Catherine?  Remember,
I said it first.

Michael


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I missed the first 5 minutes or so of tonight's episode.  Can anyone
summarize what happened before they showed Cooper, Audrey, Hawk,
Truman, etc.?  Please email to the address below to reduce the traffic
here ...


Pedro Quien?
peter@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu

In article <16854@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
> >In article <8322@darkstar.ucsc.edu>, horny@ucscl.UCSC.EDU (A NEW User) writes...
> >
> >} In article <31570006@hpsmpa.HP.COM> dapron@hpsmpa.HP.COM (Mike Dapron) writes:
> >
> >}} 6. Why doesn't Agent Cooper like birds?  [Why not?]
> >
> >} I don't remember this.  I'm sure you're right, but could someone
> >} refresh my memory?
> >
> >In the scene where Doc Hayward is trying to get Waldo to eat, he suggests
> >that Cooper try feeding him, and Cooper replies, "I don't like birds."
> >I don't see this as a particularly significant question that needs to be
> >answered.

Have you ever seen _Angel Heart_.  I think that's the name of
the movie.  The private detective didn't like chickens.  And
he turned out to be unlike what anyone watching would have expected.

Does anyone else see a correlation?


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"You look so good; you feel good, too.  When they see you shake it, baby
 everybody's gonna pay attention to you and you and you." --Gerard, Shake It

After watching TP#2 a second time I noticed that when Cooper and Truman
were in the RR (being introducted to Shelly and ?) he asks for the Cherry
Pie and Shelly says that its the best in the "Tri-counties". So is this a
play (pun) on the Tri-cities (which three are these -- I can only remeber
that its the Hanford area on the other side of the Cascades).

Second point, on arrival to TP Cooper talks about the great cherry pie at
* Inn off Hwy 2 at Lewis Forks. So where does Hwy 2 run -- I remeber you go
north out of Seattle along I-5 and then head east into the mountains along
2. (I haven't got any good WA maps here, so I can't check the details myself).
They also mention Hwy 2 again in TP#2, but I forget what the attribution was.
Wouldn't this imply TP to be close to 2?

Questions:

1. Does Lewis Forks exist? How far would that put TP of Hwy 2?
2. Is there any place in WA that could be called the Tri-counties?
3. Are there any PNW writer on this show or are they all from CA?
4. Does it really matter? (If I'm going to suspend disbelif for the rest
   of the show, I think I can do it for the geography)

Weird thoughts from the UK,
Kevin

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Well, I'll be the 2nd to post that there is little doubt left
about MAG #3, Tajamura(sp?).  I like the theory that Piper Laurie
is playing this character, but not as Catherine.  The comment
about "adherance to fantasy" was very un-Catherine like, at a
point when a little Catherine-comment would have gone a long way.

On the other hand, putting her next to Pete seems to be
a subtle but effective clue.  If Tajamura==Catherine, what does
that mean about the $5M check?  How did she get hooked up
with MAG#1?

Anyway, the makeup job around the chin was very obvious; his
skin was very smooth, like Catherine's; he always had a 
bulky clothing on over his chest.  The truly nerdy among us
will find a way to un-ray-trace a digitized image of his face
and see what he looks like w/o glasses.
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After the $700 check, I went back and watched the Squiggy scene
to check out a previous poster's comment that Bobby & Squiggy
are in cahoots.  The poster got the quote wrong, but "...after
we take _our_ cuts..." seems to be pretty obviously a reference 
to Bobby and Squiggy embezzling some of the "equipment" costs
that the insurance man references in the $5000->$700 explanation.
(Federal & state tax on insurance proceeds??).

Another point is that Bobby actively sends Shelley out of the
room before having the discussion with Squiggy.

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I beleive that when coop drove into TP is X miles from the border and
Y miles from the state line. No direction was given.

They don't even say that they're in WA, they could be, for example, in
Idaho.

Its well known that its in WA, but do they ever say that in the show?

Have we seen any state officials?

Plates!!!!!!! Licence Plates -- they must be all WA!!!!!!!

But perhaps this is not the WA we know -- how many folks in Seattle
have visions and stuff (apart from those that listen to KNUA :-)

Rambling on from the UK!

Kevin Purcell          | kpurcell@liverpool.ac.uk
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Which way did the rip off go for the:

Seven Samurai == Magnificent Seven  ?

Another Kurosawa film.

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In article <14300@accuvax.nwu.edu>, kaufman@delta.eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman) writes:
|> Is it my imagination, or did Coopers conversation with Horne include the
|> following?  Cooper called Renualt John and then Horne called him Jean.  I
|> though that Cooper gave him a look like "aha, got you."  Am I right, or did
|> I just spend too much time sniffing glue as a youth?
|> 
|> Also, after the 11/3/90 episode, if there anyone out there who still doesn't
|> think that the Japanese guy (name forgotten) is really Catherine?  Remember,
|> I said it first.

While I certainly wouldn't want to deny that possibility, (in fact, I bet it's
true), I still have some hope that Lynch thought that the audience was sufficently
primed for a 'little' joke.  The joke in this case being that it is OBVIOUS that he
was Catherine in disguise, while the outcome could be that it is simply not true.

But that scene with Pete was great, I most readily admit.

|> Michael

David Hollingsworth

The Nadine/Ed thread seems to be entirely for comic relief.  It
works!

Maddy's goodbye seems to be a poke at all of the Laura==Maddy
theorists, but it hasn't been completely refuted.

Gordon's comment about the pages of the diary at the train
car seems to be yet another one of those facts that is heard
by the audience but forgotten by the characters.

The Chihuahua comment also went unexplained.

    ~
vicuna - 1. A llamalike ruminant mammal, Vicugna vicugna, of 
   the central Andes, having fine, silky fleece. 2. a. The
   fleece of this animal.  b. Fabric made from this fleece.
   [Spanish, from Quechua wikuna.]

(What kind of fur did Leland harvest from that stuffed cat-like
 critter?)

cousin, shmuzin.

OAM/Mike - this was an excellent scene... almost on par with
BOB's CPR ( :-) :-) :-) ) scene.  Note that the way
Mike said "BOB" is the same way other people would
say "God." In sort of a you-know-what-he-is/can-do
way. 

One unlikely possibility is that BOB is a 3rd personality
of the OAM.  In Cooper's dream, they never appear together :-).

Sarah, Maddy, Cooper - Gifted or Damned?

This scene will probably be the biggest alt.tv.twin-peaks
fodder to date... with only a week to go.


11/10 Previews:
(over-exposed) Hawk looking thru Laura's secret diary?
So whathappens to Harold?

Bobby trying to open the heel of Leo's Circle Brand
boots?

Audrey accuses Ben of killing Laura?

What is that horse doing in the spotlight?  Whose
house is that?  Could it be a vision? What were those
noises?


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In article <1990Nov4.090857.20486@athena.mit.edu> starpath@bookworm.MIT.EDU (David E Hollingsworth) writes:
> >While I certainly wouldn't want to deny that possibility, (in fact, I bet it's
> >true), I still have some hope that Lynch thought that the audience was sufficently
> >primed for a 'little' joke.  The joke in this case being that it is OBVIOUS that he
> >was Catherine in disguise, while the outcome could be that it is simply not true.

Just what I was wondering myself. Was the scene with Pete and
(possibly) Catherine an in-joke we were *supposed* to get or not?
It seemed too obvious to be true. Lynch is one devious guy.

The scene with Josie, Ben and the keys was the *first* time I've
liked that character in the whole show. Josie, I mean. I still don't
like Ben. But that really cracked me up.

-- c2h5oh@ucscb.ucsc.edu | "She sat very upright...and read to her grand- | mother about a cat who ate a rat and afterwards, | feeling replete, no doubt, sat upon a mat."

Can someone repost or e-mail a list of quotes from Twin Peaks (both seasons).

Thanks in advance.

George Shiau
University of Pennsylvania

shiau@eniac.seas.upenn.edu

Two questions on the 11/3 Episode:

1) Sheriff Truman looks up Jean Reneault and says that he runs the 
"Northern Territories". As Jean is probably a Canadian, that would
imply the NWT/Yukon. So WHY would his picture be on file with a small-town
sheriff in Washington state? Are there any important details that I have
missed? 

2) Where does Cooper take Audrey after he rescues her from OEJ? I assumed 
that they were at the Great Northern but then Ben mentioned taking Audrey
home. Would they not already be there?

Jonathan Davidson
DAVIDSON@AC.DAL.CA

Dalhousie University
Halifax, Nova Scotia
Canada

We know:

 - Laura gave her diary to Harold Smith several days before she was killed.

 - Harold kept the diary in a *very* safe place, and was always in the
   house with it, so it's doubtful that another person could have gotten
   to the diary without Harold knowing about it.

Now:

 - Were the pages torn out of the diary *before* Harold got it,
   or was the diary intact when Laura gave it to him (except for the few
   pages near the beginning from several years back)?

I tend to remember from reading the diary (yes, you too can buy
Laura's private life in a bookstore near you!) that Laura didn't
mention certain pages being torn out near the end; could someone check
for me!  (I don't own a copy.)

If it's true that Harold got the diary intact, then I think it's safe
to assume that no other person had gotten to it -- how, then, to
explain the missing pages of the diary found at the train car?

Here's a theory: BOB wanted to destroy Laura (for being too
psychically powerful?), so he possessed Harold (who was very close to
her) and brought him to the train car to molest and bludgeon her.
That could be why Harold is even more deathly afraid of venturing
outside now.

And wouldn't it be just like Lynch to hint at the solution to the
mystery in last night's episode, then have the police decide not to
follow up on it?

Hmm.  I used to believe in the Harry / Andy theories until I realized
that they just don't hold water -- we have so many other shady
characters around; I think Harry's just there for Plot Advancement and
Andy for Comic Relief.  I used to suspect Josie, too, but she's tied
up in other matters, and I can't see any reasonable directory mucking
together two plotlines now.

So Harold Smith is my man.  I suspect that when Cooper hears Harold's
name, he'll say, "That's the name Laura whispered to me in my dream!"

     << Brian >>

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"It's not that I don't have the work to *do* -- I don't do the work I *have*."

(Sorry about the subject,... couldn't resist the pun)

Twin Peaks: Population 51,194 and dropping...

Albert "won't be coming back"   :-(
Maddy is leaving
Jonathan is leaving
Josie is (probably) leaving
Jerry is "on the road"
Lucy is out of town
Andy has (probably) gone after Lucy

But, on the plus side, we have anywhere between two and four inhabiting spirits
in town.

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Well after last night's episode Cooper really knows that 'without
chemicals he points'. In fact the only truth he hasn't seen yet
is 'the owls are not what they seem'.

Here's my predictions for the next few weeks:

Next week we find out who is Bob's host (a Horne?), and Cooper somehow
finds out he is an owl.

The week after that starts out with the giant returning and starting
another plot line (or maybe that has something to do with the white
horse in the coming attractions).

I also think that we saw the start of the another major plot line
(the chess move from Cooper's partner, I'm sure they'll keep turning up for
some time).


Paul
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By now, most everyone on the net has heard many, many times in many, many
different newsgroups that schizophrenia and multiple personality disorder
are *not* the same thing.

Please, *PLEASE* let's not discuss it again here!  I really don't care if Gordon
Cole doesn't know the difference, or David Lynch doesn't know the difference,
or this week's writer doesn't know the difference, or if Gordon Cole was
simply listing two possible, unrelated medical conditions for which the drug
might be a treatment... *it doesn't matter*!  Let's nip this discussion in the
bud, and be thankful Cole didn't speak French or recite nursery rhymes...
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In article <1990Nov4.083901.2504@odin.corp.sgi.com> bam@rudedog.asd.sgi.com 
(Brian McClendon) writes:

> >   On the other hand, putting her next to Pete seems to be
> >   a subtle but effective clue.  If Tajamura==Catherine, what does
> >   that mean about the $5M check?  How did she get hooked up
> >   with MAG#1?

Nothing subtle about it.  It is obvious that even if Tojimura is NOT
Catherine, he is *certainly* connected with her in some way.  All of
his dealings have been with people who dealt with Catherine - Pete and
Ben Horne, and indirectly, Josie (Josie has T's 5 Mil checque).  Given
the connection (whatever it is) it is a strange and twisted irony that
Josie gets paid off for the mill by money from T, who is connected in
some way to Catherine.  When Catherine finds out just who cashed the
checque, BOY is she gonna be mad!

> >   Anyway, the makeup job around the chin was very obvious; his
> >   skin was very smooth, like Catherine's; he always had a 
> >   bulky clothing on over his chest.  The truly nerdy among us
> >   will find a way to un-ray-trace a digitized image of his face
> >   and see what he looks like w/o glasses.

This will look kind of silly if it turns out that it ISN'T Catherine
("completely obvious" eh?).

Nerd-alert on: there was one nice shot of T's face where there was
nothing obstructing it and I freeze-framed it and attempted to trace
the face, to compare it to the shape of Catherine's face.
Unfortunately it was too hazy, viewed through normal typewriter paper.
I'm going to try again later with tracing paper  :-)

If it IS Catherine, she's pretty gutsy to try to fool two of the
people who know her best (Pete and Ben).  It seems much more obvious
that  she would dispatch someone - Tojimura - to do her work for her.
I'm sure she can afford it.  Then we'd miss out on a scene of her
removing her disguise of course...

- Dan
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i watched the 11/3 episode and i have some questions :
during the credits i noticed that david lynch was appearing in it. 
since i have never seen his picture, does anyone out there know which
character he played?

also, when bobby and shelly were making out on the table in front of leo
the cabbage head, bobby is holding something in his hand that he brings
up to her neck.  WHAT WAS IT??!!(i'm dying to know...)

thanks for all answers in advance...


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all in all, it's just a-nother brick in the wall...

So the remaining question is, who's BOB inhabiting now?

Whoever it is, they're currently at the Great Northern.  Several possibilities:

Benjamin- I don't think he'd *let* anybody possess him!
Jonathan- Ditto!
Andy- my guess is he's out chasing Lucy
Myst. Asian- Possibly, but I doubt it
Senor Drool Cup- an interesting choice, but unlikely
Leland- the front-runner, I suspect

Leland stole a bit of fur from the model bear in Ben's office at the Great
Northern.  Why?

Some asides...

Interesting how Cole said something to the effect of "If you give
him the drug now, you'll never see the other side".  Cole of course meant
"the other side of Phillip Gerard's dual personality", but "the other side"
turned out to be something quite different.

The word definitely seems to be "chants" rather than "chance"... confirmation
from closed-caption viewers would be appreciated.

When MIKE describes BOB as his "familiar", that might have the well-known
meaning of a magician's "familiar" (e.g. a cat (or owl?)), or the more
mundane (and Elizabethan?) meaning of "someone I hang out with".

Do writers of different series talk to each other?  On Friday night
we had Sam and Al doing a duet on Quantum Leap, and on Saturday we're
treated to Ben and Leland.  Wonder if Al and Bud will do a softshoe on
Married With Children this Sunday...?

BOB was inhabiting Laura, and now he's moved on to someone else.  Perhaps
the letters under the nails are a forwarding address?  (1/2 :-)

In reference to who can see BOB's "true face"... MIKE looks at Cooper when
he says "the gifted", and straight at *us* when he says "the damned".
Interesting.

Speaking of "true faces" and who can see them (to say nothing of "through
the darkness of future past" and the time-travel aspects of Cooper's dream),
I wonder if Lynch/Frost are Quantum Leap fans.  (What does BOB see when he
looks in the mirror? :-)

Earlier I compared Phillip Gerard's possession in the washroom stall to
Harold Smith's reaction to being outdoors.  I will now draw a similar
comparison between Gerard's possession in the police station and Nadine's
(apparent) possession in her hospital bed.  (I know, you've seen one
convulsion you've seen them all, but still... head goes back, body starts
shaking, torso heaves forward; when it passes, a different person is in
control).

All in all, an interesting episode... the plot thickens.

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In article <9011041732.AA03524@pogo> dan@AI.MIT.EDU writes:
> >In article <1990Nov4.083901.2504@odin.corp.sgi.com> bam@rudedog.asd.sgi.com 
> >(Brian McClendon) writes:
> >
>> >>   On the other hand, putting her next to Pete seems to be
>> >>   a subtle but effective clue.  If Tajamura==Catherine, what does
>> >>   that mean about the $5M check?  How did she get hooked up
>> >>   with MAG#1?
> >Ben Horne, and indirectly, Josie (Josie has T's 5 Mil checque).  Given
> >the connection (whatever it is) it is a strange and twisted irony that
> >Josie gets paid off for the mill by money from T, who is connected in
> >some way to Catherine.  When Catherine finds out just who cashed the
> >checque, BOY is she gonna be mad!

As "Tajamura" (who sure looks like Catherine to me) was doing that scene
with Pete, I kept thinking that in the days after the fire, Josie and
Catherine hooked up, put two and two together, 
and hatched some sort of plot against Ben. Events
with the $5M check so far could plausably support this. Wouldn't that be
great?

Re: BOB. the OAM said he feeds on FEAR and/or on THE PLEASURES.
Leland is a good candidate on the former; Ben, the latter.

I thought this episode was a riot.
Very funny---and pretty good on the plot advancement front as well.

-- ================================================================= Delia Cioffi: -- University of Houston: cioffi@menudo.uh.edu -- Stanford University: cioffi@psych.stanford.edu

ejohnson@eeyore.caltech.edu (Eric C. Johnson) writes:

> > evidence that Harley Peyton is a real, living, breathing person.  Tonight,
> > (Friday, November 2) the American Film Insitute (AFI) in Hollywood had a
> > Twin Peaks panel discussion.  The two guests were: Mark Frost and HARLEY

Would if be possible (both ethically and tape-availability-wise) for us 
to get at a transcript of this session?


Joe Zitt...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

In article <obB54kS00VopIDnkpj@andrew.cmu.edu> cc4c+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher James Culver) writes:
> >i watched the 11/3 episode and i have some questions :
> >during the credits i noticed that david lynch was appearing in it. 
> >since i have never seen his picture, does anyone out there know which
> >character he played?
> >
> >also, when bobby and shelly were making out on the table in front of leo
> >the cabbage head, bobby is holding something in his hand that he brings
> >up to her neck.  WHAT WAS IT??!!(i'm dying to know...)
> >
> >thanks for all answers in advance...
> >

* The discontinuity of certain plot lines from episode to episode is starting
  to annoy me.  By "discontinuity," I mean the way some plot lines manage to
  skip whole episodes before being taken up again.  For instance, in the 3
  November episode, I cannot recall one word being mentioned about either
  Lucy or Andy.  (Okay, so it may have little if any bearing on the Laura
  Palmer case, but I like it. :))

* Whether or not the mysterious Japanese gentleman is Catherine in disguise,
  can we not all agree in the very least that he is played by Piper Laurie?
  Stranger things have happened (cf. Debra Winger in "Made in Heaven").

* David Lynch's character was cute, but really, the hard-of-hearing bit is a
  tired cliche in the world of humor.

  I have a sneaky suspicion that Mr. "Cole" *had* to appear, for one of two
  reasons (both theoretical!):

  (1) Miguel Ferrer ("Albert Rosenfield") walked before they could finish
      filming the series, but he was still needed for one of the last episodes.
      A little rewriting, and voila, Gordon Cole comes calling with data from
      Mr. Rosenfield.

  (2) Rosenfield was inadvertently written out of the series.  After the
      touching bit with Sheriff Truman: "Okay, Miguel, nice job, here's your
      check."  Then, after writing another episode or two, "Whoops, we still
      need Albert for this bit!"  But Mr. Ferrer was already off doing a major
      motion picture deal with Paramount :), so another character was needed to
      take his place.
  
  Since Lynch & Frost seem to be very careful and attentive writers, I consider
  (2) to be highly unlikely.  But (1)...  Any thoughts?

* Will the series continue?  My personal opinion is "no."  Michael Ontkean,
  appearing on the Arsenio Hall show a month or two ago, said that all the
  episodes had been shot, and they had even been available on video in Europe
  for some time.

  Who knows; maybe Lynch & Frost will break down and write some new stories.
  But to me, the series works best as a "one-off" (the makers of "The Prisoner"
  never followed him around after his escape, did they?).

--
Larry Gilbert and/or the Revn Irving#Axolotl <larry@bigtime.covs.or.us>

In article <2Jo5R3w163w@bigtime.covs.or.us>, larry@bigtime.covs.or.us (Larry
Gilbert) writes... 

> >* David Lynch's character was cute, but really, the hard-of-hearing bit is a
> >  tired cliche in the world of humor.

Well, one of Lynch's favorite things to do is take overused cliches and 
twist them (Wild at Heart's raison d'etre in my opinion).  Here was another 
attempt.  

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It now seems fairly certain that BOB is either Ben or Leland.
Because I went out on a limb a while ago and said that the killer
is Ben because of a scene in Season 1, show 2 or 3 when Ben is seen at
the hospital bent over Laura's body examining her fingernails (I'm pretty
sure of this) while Albert and Doc Hayward argue, I am sort of hoping
that Ben is BOB just so I can feel good about the prediction.

However, I wouldn't be surprised if the OAM points to Leland as BOB.

Additionally, isn't it the norm for the actual killer to be someone who
is a regular on the show?  Based on that assumption, I am inclined to
rule out Harold, Jonathon, et. al. because they were not in the first
season of shows.

I thought Lynch as Gordon Cole was hilarious.  Taken in context, 
his line "Here comes the one-armer now!" was an all-time TP quote.

The interrogation of the OAM at the end of the show was possibly the 
best 5 or 10 minutes of TP to date, IMHO.

Random opinions: take out every scene where James, Maddy and Donna are
brooding about life, love and everything else and TP is an even better
show.  The three of them cannot act to save their lives.

Add 1 to the list of those who think Catherine is the MAG.

I think a Harry-Jonathon confrontation is inevitable.  I'm hoping that Josie
did not get on the plane to Hong Kong, or that she'll come back, 
followed by Jonathon.

Lynch plays Cooper boss who is more than slightly deaf.  ( I would think
that he would be unable to perform as an agent with a hearing problem
that bad, but maybe they have different rules for supervisor/non field
agents).

Jim Ennis
University of Central Florida

David Lynch did an interesting job playing Cooper's boss Gordon. 
Besides his smirks when he's trying to act serious, I thought he was
fine.  Whose idea was it for him to be on the show anyway?  I know Mark
Frost played a news reporter a few episodes back.  I bet Lynch will be
in a few more episodes, probably even one he will direct (the next one)?
 Is Sheryl Lee leaving the show?  
Also, I'll bet they're going to wrap up the mystery next episode.


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Andrew SternCarnegie Mellon University
as4e@andrew.cmu.eduShoe Size: 9 1/2

"There's the one-armer now!"

-David Lynch

Okay I have a question. Now according to MIKE (as oppsed to the OAM)
has BOB "only" been around for 40 years; has he had some connection to
the Great Northern for 40 years, but has been around the area for
a much longer time; or is he now, presently at the Great Northern.
It seems to me that the spirit BOB is this evil almost primordial
force, the Evil in the Woods that everyone speaks about, and that
it has only been for the last 40 years that he has hung around the GN
but has always existed in and around TP. The problem I see that if it
has only been for the last 40 years that he has been in the area, then
what is the Evil in the Woods--is it something entirely different
and separate from BOB?

Also I found it strange that MIKE who is also supposedly a
enity which likes to enter to bodies was turned from BOB's evil
ways when he "Saw the face of [g/G]od." Who/What is this Godperson
anyway? He states it as almost a religious experience, and why
would such an enity as MIKE, have such an experience--a seeminly
human terrestrial experience. For I believe that it was MIKE
talking as opposed to the OAM.

???
====================================================================
#Life doesn't end--it just falls        # Sally A. Wilson   #
#asleep at the switch.        # Just another Peak-Geak   #
#Kevin Roddy, Medieval Studies UC Davis # sally@mica.berkeley.edu  #

  I saw a new paperback book *about* Twin Peaks in my local bookstore
yesterday.  It has a disclaimer on the cover that it is written without
the authority of Lynch/Frost.  It's basically information about Lynch
and Frost, the series (up to and including the second season opener), 
character biographies, etc.  There are also some bits about Angelo
Badalamenti and Julee Cruise, and a section with clues to be found in
the series (like the oft-mentioned circled letters on the chalkboard).
It seems to be a fairly good primer for people who may be just starting
to watch the show, but contained nothing which I found to be new or
startling.  Of course, the punchline is that I immediately forgot the
name of the book when I left the store.  Ah, well..

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In article <1990Nov4.172710.21179@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, broehl@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Bernie Roehl) writes:
> > By now, most everyone on the net has heard many, many times in many, many
> > different newsgroups that schizophrenia and multiple personality disorder
> > are *not* the same thing.

Just a minor point - I have never heard of a case of MPD in which one of the
personalities was an alien or an animal or a demon etc. (maybe I've just
been lucky enough to miss them???) however I have seen plenty of accounts
of people who thought they were possessed or thought they were Christ or
an alien or an animal or whatever - so my question is - what do these people
suffer from? I would assume that it *is* some form of schizophrenia - no?
If so, it could account for the confusion.....

gln

In article <4747@trantor.harris-atd.com>, chuck@trantor.harris-atd.com (Chuck Musciano) writes:
> >     I just received the latest catalog from the Tremmel T-Shirt Factory
> >in Dallas, and they offer a shirt with "DAMN GOOD COFFEE" in what look to 
> >be 4" letters.
> >     Tremmel has all sorts of nifty T-shirts, including my favorite: a
> >picture of RoboClown, a clown in a RoboCop suit, holding a pie, and saying
> >"Stop, or I'll throw this pie".  The caption says, "In the future, clowns
> >won't be so damn funny".

  A picture of a robot with a funny, pointed hat, a crook/staff in one hand
and a large smoking gun in the other.
  The caption: "RoboPope : The Future Of Catholic Law Enforcement"

  Yes, it's original. I haven't gotten a shirt like it yet but I'm working
on it...
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In article <1990Nov4.175239.21701@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, broehl@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Bernie Roehl) writes:

Convinced of what? I'm convinced that a guy who is taking anti-psychotic 
drugs believes in an entity called Bob to explain things in his
perception of reality - is that what you are asking????

> > So the remaining question is, who's BOB inhabiting now?

 Well of course that assumes that Bob exists as anything other than a warped
thought in a psychotic's mind.......but it will be Leland or Pete...

> > Some asides...
> > Interesting how Cole said something to the effect of "If you give
> > him the drug now, you'll never see the other side".  Cole of course meant
> > "the other side of Phillip Gerard's dual personality", but "the other side"
> > turned out to be something quite different.

Oh really??? Did I miss something? Sure looked like a rambling nut-case
to me....

> > All in all, an interesting episode... the plot thickens.

The plot sickens I'm afraid - this show is past a downhill slide - it seems
to have reached the bottom and has leveled off - I agree with  a T-shirt I saw 
the other day that read - "Laura Palmer was bored to death"......

gln

In article <0bAiw4S00Vsn8CoZAX@andrew.cmu.edu>, bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) writes...

} WHAT 5 mil?  All we've seen is a check, supposedly drawn on a Hong Kong
} bank.  Until we know there's really such a bank and really such a bank
} account, that $5e6 check is just a slip of paper.

It was a cashier's check, which means the "account" it's drawn on is the
bank itself. And it was a Tokyo bank, not a Hong Kong bank.

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In article <3822@idunno.Princeton.EDU> bskendig@der.Princeton.EDU (Brian Kendig) writes:
$
$ - Laura gave her diary to Harold Smith several days before she was killed.
$ - Harold kept the diary in a *very* safe place, and was always in the
$   house with it, so it's doubtful that another person could have gotten
$   to the diary without Harold knowing about it.

Unless the diary was gotten to before it was given to Harold,
which it was.

$ - Were the pages torn out of the diary *before* Harold got it,
$   or was the diary intact when Laura gave it to him (except for the few
$   pages near the beginning from several years back)?
$   I tend to remember from reading the diary (yes, you too can buy
$   Laura's private life in a bookstore near you!) that Laura didn't
$   mention certain pages being torn out near the end; could someone check
$   for me!  (I don't own a copy.)

Laura mentions that pages were ripped out of her diary just prior
to giving it to Harold smith, on the last page of the diary.
Also when she's younger she stops writing for some time after
discovering that someone has been reading her diary.  This
is long before she meets Harold.

$If it's true that Harold got the diary intact, then I think it's safe
$to assume that no other person had gotten to it -- how, then, to
$explain the missing pages of the diary found at the train car?

Since assumption is wrong, it's reasonable to assume one of the following.
1) Someone other than Harold tore out pages
2) Someone other than Harold, and Harold, both tore out pages.
3) Harold got to the diary before she gave it to him.

So insert your favorite BOB host suspect as the one who ripped out
some of the pages.  Leland works pretty well being in the same house.
If he did inspect her room from time to time he might have also
found a picture of Theresa Banks, on the page of Fleshworld Jacques
wraps her gift drugs in.

$Here's a theory: BOB wanted to destroy Laura (for being too
$psychically powerful?), so he possessed Harold (who was very close to
$her) and brought him to the train car to molest and bludgeon her.
$That could be why Harold is even more deathly afraid of venturing
$outside now.

He's been deathly afraid of leaving long before Laura's death.
Harold tells Laura that he thinks he will die if he leaves home,
that seems to fit the definition of deathly afraid. :)  
There are several good reasons to suspect Harold though.

Michael Kaye  horny@ucscb.ucsc.edu

In article <0bAiPkO00VsnICoVQr@andrew.cmu.edu>, bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) writes...

} For the purposes of videotape cataloging, I've adopted a naming convention
} for the episodes of Twin Peaks that perhaps the rest of you would like
} to adopt.

Nah, I have my own. :-)

} First, an episode has a season and a sequence number.  The pilot, for
} instance, is episode 1/0.

Actually, if we're going to adopt a sequence-number convention, it might as
well be the one that Lynch-Frost Productions uses: #s0nn, where "s" is the
season, and "nn" is the episode within that season. Thus, the first season
consists of the pilot (which doesn't fit into their system, but we can
dub #1000) and #1001-1007. The second season premiere is #2001, and the
others follow from there.

} Second, an episode is comprised of one or two "hours" of the series. 
} The pilot consists of hours one and two.  (Apologies to the British,
} whose different broadcast conventions result in 50 minute rather than 1
} hour shows.)

I'm not sure what purpose this serves.

} Third, each episode has a name that I arbitrarily assign based on some
} prominent occurrence in that episode.  Here, then, is my list to date of
} Twin Peaks episodes:

I'll just quote your titles and compare against mine.


} "Pilot"
} "Fish in the Percolator"A Bloody Shirt & Percolated Fish
} "Tibetan Rock-Throwing"Dreams of Dancing Dwarves and Doppelgangers
} "Funeral"Funeral Fun & Bookhouse Boys
} "The One-Armed Man"The One-Armed Man, a Llama, & Mynah Offenses
} "The Cabin"Sons of Odin & a Loquacious Log
} "Waldo's Story"Oral Surgeons, Cherry Delight, & Waldo Gets
                                                                    Whacked
} "Cliffhangers"Answers & Questions

} "Season 2 Premiere"Dreams of Giants, Nightmares of BOB
} "Creamed Corn"Munchkin Magician & Message from Space
} "Albert Loves Harry"Hook'er on Heroin & Hawaiian Hypnotism
} "Andy's Fertility Rites"Judges & Critics
} "Audrey's Rescue"A Daring Rescue & a Dangerous Rake

Haven't figured out a title for the #2006 yet.

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Or, is Lynch himself hard of hearing, and elected to keep that
aspect in the Gordon Cole character for realism?       /pc

The article which follows contains speculations and predictions on the
solution to the question of who killed Laura Palmer and a couple other
Twin Peaks plot threads.  There's nothing I really consider a "spoiler"
since it's all based on what everyone's been able to see on TV up to
November 3.  Better to be safe than flamed, so here's a form feed.



In next week's episode, Cooper is going to learn that his deduction that
BOB must be in the Great Northern is incorrect.  BOB is going to turn out
to be the alter ego of veterinarian Bob Lydecker, much as MIKE is the
alter ego of Philip Michael Gerard (the one-armed man).  Bob Lydecker is
not going to look anything like the sketch, since the sketch is not of
a physical human being, but of the psychic being BOB.  Lydecker is of course
in a large house surrounded by trees, with many rooms, all alike, but
occupied by different souls from one night to the next - Calhoun Memorial
Hospital.  The pages of Laura's secret diary found not far from the site
of her murder were torn out and kept by Laura before she gave her secret
diary to Harold.

Cooper's former partner, Windom/Windham/Wyndumb Earl, shot Cooper in a sort
of bizarre game of "tag".  We're going to learn that Earl used to play games
of deduction with Cooper, and now that Earl's gone a little wacko, he's
taken things to an extreme.  But of course, he knew Cooper had his body
armor on and believed Cooper wouldn't suffer major injury.  What he didn't
know is that Cooper had been trying to get at a wood tick.  Earl took Cooper's
ring, which will probably be a "team ring" given upon graduating from the
FBI Academy or something.  I'm tempted to say that "the owls are not what
they seem" is from what Earl said to Cooper upon taking his ring; maybe what
Earl really said is "things always are not what they seem" and Cooper, in
his state of shock, didn't get it quite right.  But this would seem to
be at odds with the message that Major Briggs intercepted.  However, I
think the Giant is just part of Cooper's remarkably intuitive subconscious
and that they aren't going the route of aliens from space.  Monsters from
the id, maybe, but not ET.  The note "P to K-4" is Earl's way of saying,
"Your move, Cooper".  I doubt the specific chess move is of any relevance
since it is the first move of a great number of chess openings.

On the November 10 episode, Gordon Cole (played exceptionally well by David
Lynch!) is going to enlist the cooperation of the Royal Canadian Mounted
Police to raid One-Eyed Jack's.  Jean Renault will be apprehended and
charged with having the most ridiculous Quebecois accent next to Bernard.
(It's a given that Jean will be caught or killed, since the Mounties
always get their man.  But what of the far more dangerous brothers, Claude
and Pierre Renault? (-:  I'll be disappointed if none of the Mounties is
named Dudley.  What was the leading Mountie's name in "Indian Love Call"
or whatever that old movie was titled?  A reference to that would be more
likely.)  As a result of Audrey's revelations and the raid, Cooper and
Truman will know more about Ben Horne's involvement, but be unable to
do anything to him for lack of evidence.  Hank will be found.  If he's
found alive, he's going back to prison for breaking parole by leaving
the United States without the knowledge of his parole officer.  Cooper will
deduce Hank's and Ben's involvement in the local drug ring, although there
still won't be enough evidence to get Ben.

With Hank either dead or back in prison, Ed and Norma will be somewhat more
free to continue their relationship, with Nadine being something akin to
an adopted daughter.  This will be the dual (or "twin") of the Bobby-
Shelly-Leo triad.

Finally, it seems apparent to me that Piper Laurie is playing Toshimura.
Fumio Yamaguchi (or whatever) is probably as real as Allan Smithee.  The
main question I have left is whether or not Catherine and Josie are
cooperating in this little revenge plot against Ben.  Keep in mind that
Ben could be held responsible for coming up with 5 megabucks if there
are not in fact sufficient funds to cover it and Josie gets away with
the cash.  Ben's the original payee and he endorsed it, and no bank is
going to permit themselves to get stuck in such a large check fraud
scheme.

Now what does Laura's horse have to do with all this?
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<Ye gods, have missed the past two episodes!>

We all know that when John F. Kennedy tried to tell Divided Berlin
"I am a Berliner,"
He actually said,
"I am a Jelly Doughnut!"
Does this strike a chord?  _It SHOULD!_  Every morning the police department, 
particularly Cooper, eats dozens of _jelly doughnuts!_  Well, some of us know
that Kennedy actually intended to say jelly doughnut; his flesh was, in fact,
grape jelly and pastry.  Perhaps...Twin Peaks Police and Agent Cooper part-
take of symbolic internalization of Kennedy's flesh?  Have we stumbled upon
a secret JFK worshipping cult?

--Eru Iluvatar, KSC, Esq, HindIII
 Moloko Cabal

--p.s. was the word donut originally doughnut originally 
 dough_nought_ for the zero shape?

First, for those who accidentally got my test spoiler, sorry!  It was not
my fault!  I was sending it to a test group but my mailer screwed up.

Second -- I am really so pleased to find that "Dream Mike", or should I
say, "Spirit Mike" really is a different entity than the "real" P.M. Gerard.
It has always bugged me that the OAM acted so normal, after our expectations
of him were built up by that amazing dream.  I now realize, also, that
we SAW Spirit Mike just a few episodes ago -- you can tell because he
speaks in a lower voice than the PMG.  It was when PMG was in the
bathroom, flipped out, flushed the toilet, dropped his drug (!), and then
strode out of the stall, saying in that husky voice "I know you're near,
Bob," or whatever.  That was Spirit Mike talking.   Also, about the OAM 
not recognizing the BOB picture the first time round, I think it may have
been a continuity error, but I'll try to justify it anyway:  P.M. Gerard
doesn't know BOB and wouldn't recognize the picture.  It's Spirit Mike
who knows BOB.  The first time, for whatever reason, Spirit Mike was
buried too deeply within PMG for PMG to have any reaction to the picture;
maybe PMG had just taken his medicine.  The second time, Spirit Mike
was just under the surface; Spirit Mike saw the picture through PMG's 
eyes, and immediately tried to take control of PMG.  From PMG's point
of view, what happened was he looked at the picture, which he
didn't recognize, and then out of the blue he felt a Spirit Mike attack
coming on.

I am unclear on exactly what happened 40 years ago.  My friends got the
impression that BOB was not merely a familiar but a PART of Spirit Mike, 
housed in the left arm (Spirit Mike's left arm or PMG's left arm?  Is that
always the same thing?  Has Spirit Mike always inhabited PMG, or at least
for the past 40 years?)  Was Spirit Mike once a human?  Was BOB once a
human? 

Maddie is gifted
Sarah is gifted
Laura was gifted and damned
Leland is damned
Cooper is gifted
Ronette is damned 

Remember when Cooper was describing his dream, he said "BOB vowed to
kill again.  Mike couldn't stand the killing, so he shot BOB" or something
along those lines.  You think the OAM is going to go to the Great Northern
and shoot Leland?  (Or Ben, or whoever your fave is?)

I agree with the person who said the "vik-yoo-na" hair might be from 
the vet, Bob Lydecker.  Does anyone remember when exactly Bob entered 
the hospital?  When Cooper et al. first confronted PMG, PMG said
Bob (Lydecker) was assaulted outside a bar, or something like that, "a
few days ago" and has been in the hospital since.  My question is, what 
day was "a few days ago"?  Could it have been after Laura died?  That is,
could Bob Lydecker have been involved in Laura's death?

I nearly had a heart attack when Leo was sitting there mumbling as Shelly
& Bob sprawled on the table right in front of him!  Aaaagh!  

Wow, what happened in Pittsburgh?

Two of the giant's predictions have come true!!  Next week I bet Cooper
figures out exactly what "the owls are not what they seem" means, and
the White Horse will return Cooper's ring.


Jespah

*BOYD'S ... damn fine coffee!  (wretchedly strange waitress)

But it wasn't Kyle!  It was just some strange twisted dream.

P.S. She prefers to be called "The Waitress From Another Place"


Jespah

1. I had more problems hearing this episode than just about any episode
to date.

2. Well, I have watched this episode twice so far and still like it the
best since the 2 hr 2nd season premier.

3. Lots of strange things in this one - makes one wonder what is
real and what is just mistakes.

4. Is Lynch really that hard of hearing?  Or was this some sort
of plot device?

Spoiler Alert - upcoming spoilers!


5. I loved seeing Ben and Josie spar over the money - especialy the
stale mate!

6. Also, got a real charge out of Ben and the mysterious Mr. T
(maybe the A Team is connected to all of this :-0?)  discussion
and then Leland breaking into "Getting to Know you".  Even better
was after the Ben and Leland duet, seeing the camera cut to Mr. T and Pete.
 And I was all set to believe that Mr T was not Catherine...

7. I wonder what is going to happen to Bobby and Shelly if Leo remembers
the welcome home party?  And what is this stuff with the $5000
a month check turning into a $700 a month check?  I know that it
was explained away, but I didnt get it - are Bobby and Shelly getting
ripped off?

8. No appearances by the Judge - sigh.

9. Harold's last scene screaming at the orchids had the same sort
of echo as did Phillip's last scene before Mike arrived I thought -
maybe it was the sound problems we are having though.

10. Mike said that Bob was his familar.  Then a moment or two later
starts quoting 'the poem' about the magician looking for the one chance
out from between two worlds, seeing God, etc.  And coop was quoting
along with him.

11. Mike also went on to say something about Bob and Mike both
being parasites.  Sort of emotional vampires almost?  And he
says that Bob has 'been around Twin Peaks' for about 40 years .

12. When he was asked where Bob was, he stopped a moment and almost
looked like he was mentally searching, then described what Coop
identified was the Great Northern.  So does the person live there or
what?  If so, it must be Ben Horne - Jerry is in Japan, Johnnie is
too young, the only other person it might be is Leland.  who is visiting
there at the moment.  Of course, Pete is there as well!

13. As a trival question -who was the guy behind the desk at the
police station - looked in uniform, so must not have been the temp
secretary Lucy was expecting.

14. What is this stuff about a Mexican dog that Coop's boss is taking
about - and what did they mean by Coop being 'out of the shoot' in
Philly?
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1 fa.mil.iar \f<e>-'mil-y<e>r\ n (13c)
    1: a member of the household of a high official
    2: an intimate associate: COMPANION
    3: a spirit often embodied in an animal and held to attend and serve 
    or guard a person
    4a: one who is well acquainted with something
    4b: one who frequents a place

2 familiar adj (14c)
 [ME familier, fr. MF, fr. L familiaris, fr. familia]
    1: closely acquainted: INTIMATE <a familiar family friend> 
    2 obs: AFFABLE, SOCIABLE
    3a: of or relating to a family <remembering past familiar celebrations> 
    
    3b: frequented by families <a familiar resort> 
    4a : being free and easy <the familiar association of old friends> 
    
    4b: marked by informality <a familiar essay> 
    4c: overly free and unrestrained: PRESUMPTUOUS <grossly familiar behavior> 
    
    4d: moderately tame <familiar animals> 
    5a: frequently seen or experienced: easily recognized
    5b: of everyday occurrence
    6: closely acquainted through personal knowledge or study <familiar 
    with the facts of the case> -- fa.mil.iar.ly adv -- fa.mil.iar.ness 
    n 
syn FAMILIAR, INTIMATE mean closely acquainted. FAMILIAR suggests the ease, 
informality, absence of reserve or constraint natural among members of 
a family or acquaintances of long standing; INTIMATE stresses the closeness 
and intensity rather than the mere frequency of personal association and 
suggests either deep mutual understanding or the sharing of deeply personal 
thoughts and feelings. syn see in addition COMMON




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I am in desperate need of a video tape of Saturday's episode (11/3).

I am willing to pick up all reasonable costs in association with aquiring
one.

If anyone in the NYC area can manage it, I can bring my VCR and we can make
a dub.

Please help a fellow peaker.

Respond via e-mail to CLFSI@CUNYVM.BITNET

Thanks in advance

broehl@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Bernie Roehl) writes:

> >Leland stole a bit of fur from the model bear in Ben's office at the Great
> >Northern.  Why?

It was a stuffed snow fox, and he didn't have any place to through the fur
away in, so he stuffed it into his jacket pocket.

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In article <obB54kS00VopIDnkpj@andrew.cmu.edu> cc4c+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher James Culver) writes:
> >i watched the 11/3 episode and i have some questions :
> >during the credits i noticed that david lynch was appearing in it. 
> >since i have never seen his picture, does anyone out there know which
> >character he played?

Answer: Cooper's Boss

> >also, when bobby and shelly were making out on the table in front of leo
> >the cabbage head, bobby is holding something in his hand that he brings
> >up to her neck.  WHAT WAS IT??!!(i'm dying to know...)

Answer: A kazoo (I'm pretty sure, that is)

Dave

"BOB requires a human host" -- OAM
"I know that man!" -- Leland

In article <3822@idunno.Princeton.EDU> bskendig@der.Princeton.EDU (Brian Kendig) writes:
<stuff deleted>
> >Now:
> >
> > - Were the pages torn out of the diary *before* Harold got it,
> >   or was the diary intact when Laura gave it to him (except for the few
> >   pages near the beginning from several years back)?

> >If it's true that Harold got the diary intact, then I think it's safe
> >to assume that no other person had gotten to it -- how, then, to
> >explain the missing pages of the diary found at the train car?

Here's what I think: the pages were ripped out by BOB when he took control of
Laura (as Laura, of course).  If I remember correctly, the pages were ripped
out BEFORE Harold got the diary because Laura mentions near the end that 
"she knows someone has been at her diary because some pages are ripped out"
I don't know, however, how the pages ended up where they did.  Anyone else have
a theory?

> >So Harold Smith is my man.  I suspect that when Cooper hears Harold's

I don't believe so, because of the above, and also because he is a second
season character -- weren't we told that, after the first season, we have seen
the killer?

Dave

P.S. When will Coop get his ring back?!

In article <1990Nov4.150939.371@vixvax.mgi.com> eiswirth@vixvax.mgi.com (Steve Eiswirth) writes:

> >Random opinions: take out every scene where James, Maddy and Donna are
> >brooding about life, love and everything else and TP is an even better
> >show.  The three of them cannot act to save their lives.

You may be right about James (his acting seems very one-dimensional) and maybe
even Donna, but I totally disagree with you concerning Maddy.  Watch the scene
again (just Maddy) and you can see, well at least I did, that Maddy really has
fallen in love with James and is going through a lot of personal conflict. I
really like Maddy and hope that this isn't the end of her.  Like you, though, I
could definately do without James and Donna. (And James' singing voice!)

Dave

"There goes the one-armer now!"

joe@zitt(Joe Zitt) writes:
> >ejohnson@eeyore.caltech.edu (Eric C. Johnson) writes:
> >
>> >> evidence that Harley Peyton is a real, living, breathing person.  Tonight,
>> >> (Friday, November 2) the American Film Insitute (AFI) in Hollywood had a
>> >> Twin Peaks panel discussion.  The two guests were: Mark Frost and HARLEY
> >
> >Would if be possible (both ethically and tape-availability-wise) for us 
> >to get at a transcript of this session?

I was there with Eric at the AFI, and we weren't recording it. However,
Eric was taking notes. One of us will turn these notes into an article
pretty soon.


--
-- Dave Coufal -- coufal@piglet.caltech.edu

"Is this real, or some strange and twisted dream?"
- Jerry Horne, _Twin Peaks_

In article <1990Nov5.014042.2312@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> cap40944@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Christopher A Parrinello) writes:
> >In article <10210@ur-cc.UUCP> mclk@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Richard Pace) writes:
>> >>Am I the only one who thinks that Harold will be revealed as Laura's
>> >>killer:
>> >>I really think he did it.

So do I!  There's just too much pointing to him, too quickly, to ignore.

> >I agree too... Laura was wrapped in plastic and bound from what I remember of
> >the series opener. I was walking around the other day through campus and there
> >was a woman who was carrying a rose wrapped in plastic... the two connected
> >together when I thought about Harold and his facination with flowers...

> >has anybody else thought that?

Actually, I had noticed something different long ago.  The heavy
plastic wrap that Laura was found in certainly seemed to resemble the
heavy plastic wrap lying about the home of Leo and Shelley Johnson.  I
thought that incriminated Leo for a long while...

I still think it's the same plastic.  If so, how'd it get there?

BOB might actually be Shelley the waitress after all!

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Bernie Roehl writes:
>> >> By now, most everyone on the net has heard many, many times in many, many
>> >> different newsgroups that schizophrenia and multiple personality disorder
>> >> are *not* the same thing.

Thank *you*, Bernie!  I, too, am tired of such discussions.

Gary Newell writes:
> >Just a minor point - I have never heard of a case of MPD in which one of the
> >personalities was an alien or an animal or a demon etc. (maybe I've just
> >been lucky enough to miss them???) however I have seen plenty of accounts
> >of people who thought they were possessed or thought they were Christ or
> >an alien or an animal or whatever - so my question is - what do these people
> >suffer from? I would assume that it *is* some form of schizophrenia - no?
> >If so, it could account for the confusion.....

Well, being the resident alt.tv.twin-peaks psychiatrist (if there are any
others out there, they haven't clocked in yet (-: ), I'll take a stab at
this one.  It's perfectly reasonable, Gary, that you've never heard of
a case of MPD in which one of the personalities was "an alien or an animal
or a demon etc." since the worldview of psychiatry (unlike the worldview
of TP) doesn't allow for such way-out possibilities.  Call us stodgy,
call us hide-bound, but aliens coming to Earth and possessing people, well,
that's a little wild. (-:

Now if what you meant is that you've never heard of a case of MPD in which
the person *claimed* or *believed* that one of their alternate personali-
ties was "an alien or an animal or a demon etc.", I have to agree with you,
I've never heard of that, either.  'Doesn't mean it couldn't happen.  But
it's unlikely, because MPD sufferers tend to be very pragmatic and realistic
*except* for their central notion that they are split into multiple persona-
lities--which, in itself, isn't really "delusional" in the way we usually
think of that word.  It has often been said, in fact, that MPD develops in
a strong, intelligent person whose likelihood of becoming psychotic is less 
the norm--almost as if there are two routes you can go in response to the  
overwhelming childhood torture that MPD sufferers nearly always have had:
either you break down and become schizophrenic, or you don't break down--
that is, you retain your ability to test reality--and you become MPD.  

But that doesn't mean you can't have MPD and schizophrenia (or some other
form of psychosis-producing illness) simultaneously.

Let me put it this way: in the worldview of psychiatry, the notion of
being possessed by a demon is *psychotic*--that is, not in accordance with
traditional western scientific (or even agreed-upon community standards)
of reality.  If you think you're possessed by a demon, you are delusional.
Delusions are a symptom, not a disease.  Just as having a rash doesn't mean
you have German measles, having a delusion doesn't mean you have schizophrenia.
Garden-variety clinical depression, which something like 1 out of 3 of us
will get at least once in our lifetimes, frequently includes delusions, for
example.

Enough speech.  The point is, TP reality is not necessarily regular reality,
the reality of the worldview of psychiatry.  In my (personal, TP-head) opinion,
I think it's more likely that Philip Gerard is possessed by a spirit named
"Mike" than that he has MPD *or* schizophrenia.  So, the haloperidol (Haldol)
keeps the spirit from "coming out."  All that tells us is that Haldol alters
his brain in such a way that the demon can't speak or manifest itself at
such times.  If I had "Mike" inside of me, Haldol might have that effect on
me, too, and I'm not schizophrenic or MPD.  It's a powerful drug.

Enough already.

Wasn't the voice of the demon awesome, by the way?  "I have seen God..."
Whoa--I'm hooked!!  :-)

--Fiona Oceanstar

Watched 11/3 episode of Twin Peaks on video delay (who stays in on a Saturday).

During the opening credits as Truman carried Audrey to the bed, he is followed
into the room by Hawk, and Truman enters stage left.  Did anyone notice that 
Truman was followed by a long grey haired individual?  This person moved to the
back of the scene and was visible a couple of times as Cooper tended Audrey.
Looked a lot like Bob to me.  He can not be confused with Hawk (both have long
 hair) as they are both visible in the same shot.

Excerpts from netnews.alt.tv.twin-peaks: 4-Nov-90 Twin Peaks becoming a
ghost.. Bernie Roehl@watserv1.wa (620)

> > Twin Peaks: Population 51,194 and dropping...

> > Albert "won't be coming back"   :-(
> > Maddy is leaving
> > Jonathan is leaving
> > Josie is (probably) leaving
> > Jerry is "on the road"
> > Lucy is out of town
> > Andy has (probably) gone after Lucy

Starting population:  51,201

Laura is killed.51,200
Cooper arrives.51,201
Albert arrives.51,202
Maddy arrives.51,203
Bernard dies.51,202
Albert leaves.51,201
Hank Jennings returns.51,202
Jonathan arrives.51,203
Catherine dies (?).51,202
Jacques dies.51,201
Albert arrives.51,202
Emory Battis dies.51,201
Tojamura arrives.51,202
Albert leaves.51,201
Jerry leaves.51,200
Dr. Jacoby leaves.51,199
Lucy leaves.51,198
Maddy leaves (?).51,197
Jonathan leaves.51,196
Josie leaves (?).51,195


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Excerpts from netnews.alt.tv.twin-peaks: 4-Nov-90 Random thoughts on the
seri.. Larry Gilbert@bigtime.co (2204)

> > * The discontinuity of certain plot lines from episode to episode is starting
> >   to annoy me.  By "discontinuity," I mean the way some plot lines manage to
  skip whole episodes before being taken up again.

Would you rather *every* story advances by epsilon each week, rather
than making real progress on a few stories at a time?

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Many of the significant clues that we've seen or heard on Twin Peaks
have been followed up on.  Here are some that haven't.  Any ideas,
anyone?

1.  "Let's rock."  "That gum you like is going to come back in
    style."  Why does the Man From Another Place say these things?
2.  The dark shadow moving across the red curtains.  An owl, or
    other bird?  Related to the dark shadow that Maddy saw on the living
    room carpet?
3.  Anything related to Teresa Banks.


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  I wonder if Laura's death resulted from BOB possessing Laura's body, 

MIKE possessing Ronette's body, and Laura's body dying in the resultant 

train car fight?  The spirit of BOB lived on to occupy many souls in the 

Great Northern, including whoever shot Cooper.  BOB put the blue chemical

into Ronette's IV to suppress MIKE.

  "Mister" Tojimura is definitely Catherine.  Having her run into Pete 

at the milk bar was hilarious!  I'll bet the $5,000,000 check which Ben 

gave to Josie is a bouncer.

  Without chemicals, he pointed.  So when does Coop get his ring back?

  
-  Doug

Help!

We had one of those irritating episodes of sound dropping in the
Nov. 3 episode.  The end result was that we were unable to hear
anything that Audrey said.  We could hear Ben and Coop just 
fine.  Can somebody post or e-mail a transcript?  I would be
forever in your debt.

Connie

Excerpts from netnews.alt.tv.twin-peaks: 3-Nov-90 Re: Re: What did Andy
hear .. Mark Collier@hpsmpk.HP.C (1137)

> > Could
> > someone post a list of episodes which shows what major events occurred on
> > what days? It would go something like this:

Sure.

1/0 PilotSaturday, 24-Feb-89
1/1 Fish in the PercolatorSunday
1/2 Tibetan Rock-ThrowingMonday
1/3 FuneralTuesday
1/4 The One-Armed ManWednesday, 28-Feb-89
1/5 The CabinThursday, 1-Mar-89
1/6 Waldo's StoryFriday
1/7 CliffhangersFriday night

2/0 Season 2 PremiereSaturday, 3-Mar-89
2/1 Creamed CornSunday
2/2 Albert Loves HarryMonday
2/3 Andy's Fertility RitesTuesday
2/4 Audrey's RescueWednesday
2/5 Gordon Pops InThursday

Note that all of Twin Peaks' teenagers seem to attend high school on
Saturdays (the day Laura's body was discovered)!  We know it was 24-Feb
because of Laura's "non-secret" diary, and we know it was '89 because
Leo was in Hungry Horse a year ago, in '88.

Continuity glitches bug the bejeezus out of me.

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Help!! My tape ran out in the middle of MIKE's speech right after "BOB needs
a human host".  Could someone please tell me what went on in the last
few minutes of the show, especially MIKE's speech.

Thanks,
Oz

In article <1990Nov5.135816.11405@athena.mit.edu>, pjcoates@athena.mit.edu (Paul J Coates) writes:
> > Watched 11/3 episode of Twin Peaks on video delay (who stays in on a Saturday).
> > 
> > During the opening credits as Truman carried Audrey to the bed, he is followed
> > into the room by Hawk, and Truman enters stage left.  Did anyone notice that 
> > Truman was followed by a long grey haired individual?  This person moved to the
> > back of the scene and was visible a couple of times as Cooper tended Audrey.
> > Looked a lot like Bob to me.  

Yow!  After reviewing my tape I must agree that it was BOB!  Note that the 
previous scene was an owl.
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-- Was the reference to Cooper looking like a Mexican Chihuahua supposed to mean anything? Windham Earll maybe? Cooper looked like he recognized the reference, but I sure didn't. Did anyone else think it was hilarious the way Gordon was a split second behind every one of Cooper's lines? Or the way Truman was munching a donut in the background? **************************************************************************** I like to consider myself one of the happy generation. Dorothy Bowe dot@athena.mit.edu

In article <10985@pt.cs.cmu.edu> cwk@ORCRIST.GANDALF.CS.CMU.EDU (Charles Krueger) writes:
> >In article <1990Nov5.135816.11405@athena.mit.edu>, pjcoates@athena.mit.edu (Paul J Coates) writes:
>> >> Watched 11/3 episode of Twin Peaks on video delay (who stays in on a Saturday).
>> >> 
>> >> During the opening credits as Truman carried Audrey to the bed, he is followed
>> >> into the room by Hawk, and Truman enters stage left.  Did anyone notice that 
>> >> Truman was followed by a long grey haired individual?  This person moved to the
>> >> back of the scene and was visible a couple of times as Cooper tended Audrey.
>> >> Looked a lot like Bob to me.  
> >
> >Yow!  After reviewing my tape I must agree that it was BOB!  Note that the 
> >previous scene was an owl.

The long haired man in the Bookhouse is Josie Pulson, gatekeeper of the
Bookhouse, biker, friend of James, also a Bookhouse boy.

Rod
-- "I've got compassion running outta my nose, pal. I'm the sultan of sentiment." Albert

In article <16929@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:

> >what Cooper told Harry when he related his dream. And apparently, this
> >*is* the case in the Euroversion of the pilot.
                      ~~~~~~~~~~~
OOOh I didn't know this.  Can anybody out there tell me what we are
getting differently over here?

denise
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Let's see...

Cooper- gifted
Sarah- gifted
Laura- both
Phillip Gerard- damned
Ronette- damned
Leland- ??????

The fact that Leland's wife and daughter are gifted doesn't mean *he* is,
and we've seen no evidence to that effect.

Perhaps by "damned" MIKE really means "subject to being periodically
possessed".

-- Bernie Roehl, University of Waterloo Electrical Engineering Dept Mail: broehl@watserv1.waterloo.edu OR broehl@watserv1.UWaterloo.ca BangPath: {allegra,decvax,utzoo,clyde}!watmath!watserv1!broehl Voice: (519) 885-1211 x 2607 [work]

In article <9011041732.AA03524@pogo> dan@AI.MIT.EDU writes:
> >Ben Horne, and indirectly, Josie (Josie has T's 5 Mil checque).  Given
> >the connection (whatever it is) it is a strange and twisted irony that
> >Josie gets paid off for the mill by money from T, who is connected in
> >some way to Catherine.  When Catherine finds out just who cashed the
> >checque, BOY is she gonna be mad!

I don't think it's a real check ..... I think that Josie is going
to be really mad! Or maybe Catherine and Josie are in this together
against Ben (a wonderfull plot twist!!) and Catherine is going to ask for
the check back .....

Paul


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In article <8520@darkstar.ucsc.edu> horny@ucscl.ucsc.edu (Michael Kaye) writes:
> >"Unclean" and "contaminated" sound like something BOB would say
> >in the diary.

Did you notice that the OAM's speech changed slightly from when we first
heard it in Cooper's dream?  "I saw the face of God... and I was changed"
is now "I saw the face of God... and was purified".

> >4) That Harold's had a bad experience with BOB (#4 sounds good to me).

To me, too.

> >I think Leo isn't going to be a silent forever...

He'd also make an excellent home for an inhabiting spirit... especially BOB!
(this idea is not mine, but is courtesy of Ann Hodgkins).

> >They each have enough info to lock each other away forever.  I don't
> >think Josie got Pete's signature on that contract... and Tojimura 
> >wants his check back.  This is going to be very strange.
[...]
> >I won't jump to conclusions, but I think Fumio=Catherine is possible...

If Catherine *is* Tojimura, then the fellow who came by last season to get
her to sign the insurance policy on her life (that no one had told her about)
is probably helping her set up the scam.

> >Maddy says she is leaving, but rumor has it Leland will talk her into staying
                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Good news!  Reliable source?

> >Mike Gerard confirmed what I had been saying all along, that BOB is a 
> >possessing spirit, who few can see.  Mike says he is a host 
> >to a spirit out to stop BOB.  He describes BOB as a parasite who 
> >attaches itself to a lifeform and feeds off fear and pleasure.

Right... but we knew all this over a month ago (though it is nice to have it
confirmed).  The question is, who is BOB possessing now?

> >I think that horse is Laura's dead horse Troy, the one that Ben gave her.
> >Troy was kept at the broken circle stables.  "Broken circle" is also the
> >name associated with Mike Gerard's shoes

And, according to net discussions, the broken circle is a sign of evil.
Sort of points to Ben, though I still don't see him as being possessed by
anybody.  (He'd boot them out!)
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In article <27145@megaron.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary Newell) writes:
> >In article <1990Nov4.175239.21701@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, broehl@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Bernie Roehl) writes:
> >
> >Convinced of what? I'm convinced that a guy who is taking anti-psychotic 
> >drugs believes in an entity called Bob to explain things in his
> >perception of reality - is that what you are asking????

Just to clarify, I didn't write that; gln apparently deleted *everything*
I said that he was responding to, and that leaves the unforunate impression
that his words are a quote of me.

> >Oh really??? Did I miss something?

Apparently.
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In article <10985@pt.cs.cmu.edu> cwk@ORCRIST.GANDALF.CS.CMU.EDU (Charles Krueger) writes:
$In article <1990Nov5.135816.11405@athena.mit.edu>, pjcoates@athena.mit.edu (Paul J Coates) writes:
$> 
$>During the opening credits as Truman carried Audrey to the bed, he is followed
$>into the room by Hawk, and Truman enters stage left.  Did anyone notice that 
$> Truman was followed by a long grey haired individual?  This person moved to the
$> back of the scene and was visible a couple of times as Cooper tended Audrey.
$> Looked a lot like Bob to me.  
$
$Yow!  After reviewing my tape I must agree that it was BOB!  Note that the 
$previous scene was an owl.

It was Joey Paulson, not BOB.  He's wearing the same clothes we'd expect
to see on Joey, he looks similar to Joey, and they're at the Bookhouse.  
Joey was seen at the bookhouse during Bernard's interrogation, he's one 
of the boys.  If you don't remember Joey, he's the one who gave Donna 
a ride from the roadhouse to James on a motorcycle.  Will Bernard's body 
ever turn up?

Michael Kaye  horny@ucscb.ucsc.edu

Last week's episode was both one of the most entertaining and dismaying
shows yet. In terms of pace, mix of humor and oddness, and focus...everything
was A-OK! But it now seems that the bug bear theorists have the field,
and, pardon my gustibus, that stinks. All the grab bag of Grand Guignol
goodies -- hants, afreets, vampires, etc. -- are D-U-L-L. Mixing in
anything of the paranormal is Stuporville in terms of drama. A previous
poster mentioned Homer as using the spiritual: Well, yes, but the charm
of The Gods in Homeric terms was that the Gods were CHILDREN. Human
children who somehow got the car keys and the liquor and  NO ONES HOME!
All the normal modes of human behavior were still observed, the reader
was just asked to extrapolate their own behavior onto someone who could
act without concern for anyone else. 

Of course, it could turn out that Philip G. and Bob's host and the 
whole kit-n-kaboodle are simply schizophrenics out on a toot. It would
be sad a bit, like an ABC Disease-of-the-Month movie. But didn't
you want more? I don't know what, but more than that.

There is, however, a real life chtonic presence in the Washington woods,
that has been there for 40 years or so. A real boffo power of unpredictable
consequences...and that's the Hanford nuclear facility. BOB might be 
a screen for that little horror show... and THAT would be scary. I
don't mean allegory or symbol...I don't think Lynch works from symbols...
but the fear of what we've unleashed by splitting the atom...that could
explain all the fifties anachronisms, the THEM like spirit of the Major
Briggs tangent. It wouldn't explain away the dreams and dwarves and
giants, but it would give a source and a focus to the anxiety.
-- Jeff Davis davis@keats.ca.uky.edu Nobody knows, from sea to shining sea, why we are having all this trouble with our republic.

In article <1990Nov5.162626.25145@watserv1.waterloo.edu> broehl@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Bernie Roehl) writes:
> >In article <8520@darkstar.ucsc.edu> horny@ucscl.ucsc.edu (Michael Kaye) writes:
> >
>> >>I think that horse is Laura's dead horse Troy, the one that Ben gave her.
>> >>Troy was kept at the broken circle stables.  "Broken circle" is also the
>> >>name associated with Mike Gerard's shoes
 
According to the diary the horse came as a gift on her 12th birthday
from the Broken Circle Ranch - ostensibly from Lelland but actually from
Ben.  Why did ben give an expensive gift to his employee's child?  Possibly
Laura is really Ben's daughter and not Lelland's. Possibly Ben is just a
swell guy despite all evidence to the contrary. Perhaps Ben molested
the child Laura and this horse was his guilt offering. Perhaps Ben was aware
that Lelland was molesting Laura and this was his way of trying to help
her.
 
At any rate, near the end of her diary, Laura wrote that she released
her horse to the wild in an emotional moment. Later she regretted  
having sent Troy out into the wilds alone. Still later, she wrote that Troy was
found with a broken leg and shot. According to her diary this occurred prior
to her murder.  Is this a ghost horse?
> >
> >And, according to net discussions, the broken circle is a sign of evil.

That is one theory but it doesn't seem to apply.  Surely a pet pony for
a little girl is a good thing?  And surely the full circle at the bottom
of the shoes is not a good thing since the shoes are somehow linked to
drug pushing.
 
Ann Hodgins

On 02-Nov-90 in Re: Unanswered Questions - ..
user Ritual lo Habitual@CMUVM writes:
> >From: millerl@kings.wharton.upenn.edu (Loren J. Miller)
>> >>1. why did blackie tell jean renault that agent cooper killed his brother
>> >>   when everybody knows that leland did it?
> > 
> >Eh?  I thought is was stated that Leo had killed Bernard Renault...

Ah yes, but Jean wants revenge for the death of JACQUES, not BERNARD.

There's just too damn many Renault brothers.

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You may think I've gone insane, but I promise you, I WILL post again!

I wonder if CMU knows I exist?  Ahhhh, who cares!

In article <0bBLt8C00Vsn0FdGNE@andrew.cmu.edu> bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) writes:


   Many of the significant clues that we've seen or heard on Twin Peaks
   have been followed up on.  Here are some that haven't.  Any ideas,
   anyone?

   2.  The dark shadow moving across the red curtains.  An owl, or
       other bird?  Related to the dark shadow that Maddy saw on the living
       room carpet?


The shadow floating across the curtains was one of a boot.  Coming 
after Laura's nose-touch, it's a rather obvious clue to her
cocaine-use.  (Remember the second season opener -- cocaine found
alongside a boot.  Also, "Leo needs a new pair of shoes", and the
scene where Leo is picking at his boots with a knife).

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>> >> Some asides...
>> >> Interesting how Cole said something to the effect of "If you give
>> >> him the drug now, you'll never see the other side".  Cole of course meant
>> >> "the other side of Phillip Gerard's dual personality", but "the other side"
>> >> turned out to be something quite different.

> >Oh really??? Did I miss something? 

I wouldn't be surprised. 

>> >> All in all, an interesting episode... the plot thickens.

> >The plot sickens I'm afraid - this show is past a downhill slide - it seems
> >to have reached the bottom and has leveled off - I agree with  a T-shirt I saw 
> >the other day that read - "Laura Palmer was bored to death"......

I see you are still watching.  Is there any hope that you might be
bored to death?

> >gln

Doug Q

On 02-Nov-90 in Re: UK gets Twin Peaks. Arc..
user Michelle L Zafron@ubvmsb writes:
> >"The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer" was written by Jennifer Lynch (Lynch's 22
> >year old daughter).  I have no idea who published it.  Any T-shirts you see
> >are probably illegal.  I don't think Lynch and Frost are marketing TP clothing
> >yet.  There are two cd's out with music from the show.  Julee Cruise's
"Floating
> >Into the Night" and the TP soundtrack.  
> > 
> >--Michelle

Actually, the marketing of legal clothing was planned as far back as
June.  I worked for Creation Conventions over the summer, and they tried
to secure the t-shirt, coffee mug, whatever rights.  Unfortunately, the
rights had been sold weeks earlier.

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In article <31570008@hpsmpk.HP.COM> collier@hpsmpk.HP.COM (Mark Collier) writes:
> >Several posters have said Laura's killer washed his hands before kissing her.
> >I must be brain-damaged, but I can't remember why this is believed to be true.
> >Could someone please remind where and when this clue was learned on the show?
> >Was it something Albert learned from his autopsy? 

I can't remember what he said EXACTLY, but when Albert was giving
the low-down to Cooper and Truman on the autopsy, he mentioned
that there was evidence of soap (industrial brand, you can buy
it anywhere -- something like that) on the back of Laura's
neck.  From that, Albert went on to suppose that the killer
placed his (or her, to be fair) hand behind Laura's neck
as if to kiss her -- and then he demonstrated this motion 
for Coop and Tru.

Carrie "please don't make me leave" Bullington

In article <4747@trantor.harris-atd.com> chuck@trantor.harris-atd.com (Chuck Musciano) writes:
> >
> >     I just received the latest catalog from the Tremmel T-Shirt Factory
> >in Dallas, and they offer a shirt with "DAMN GOOD COFFEE" in what look to 
> >be 4" letters.
> >
I saw "Who killed Laura Palmer" t-shirts at the Newbury Comics
located in the Student Center at MIT, if any fellow MIT-Neters
are interested

In article <1427@urbana.mcd.mot.com> rnoe@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Roger Noe) writes:

 >(It's a given that Jean will be caught or killed, since the Mounties
 >always get their man.  But what of the far more dangerous brothers, Claude
 >and Pierre Renault? (-: 

Right!  This could be a running gag.  Kill one Renault brother, and
another pops up!


 >Now what does Laura's horse have to do with all this?

What horse?  Several postings have mentioned a horse.  I've watched
the episode twice, and haven't seen any horse.  Where did everyone see
a horse?

--Louise Marks

In article <1990Nov5.162738.25315@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, broehl@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Bernie Roehl) writes:
> > In article <27145@megaron.cs.arizona.edu> gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary Newell) writes:
>> > >In article <1990Nov4.175239.21701@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, broehl@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Bernie Roehl) writes:
>> > >
>> > >Convinced of what? I'm convinced that a guy who is taking anti-psychotic 
>> > >drugs believes in an entity called Bob to explain things in his
>> > >perception of reality - is that what you are asking????
> > 
> > Just to clarify, I didn't write that; gln apparently deleted *everything*
> > I said that he was responding to, and that leaves the unforunate impression
> > that his words are a quote of me.

I was responding to your subject line - seemed pretty clear to me. You 
posted a 'are you convinced' subject line and then began the article 
talking about Bob as an entity - I drew the obvious conclusion...

So just what did the "There *now* are you convinceD" refer to???

gln

In article <1990Nov5.135816.11405@athena.mit.edu> pjcoates@athena.mit.edu (Paul J Coates) writes:
> >Watched 11/3 episode of Twin Peaks on video delay (who stays in on a Saturday).
> >
> >During the opening credits as Truman carried Audrey to the bed, he is followed
> >into the room by Hawk, and Truman enters stage left.  Did anyone notice that 
> >Truman was followed by a long grey haired individual?  This person moved to the
> >back of the scene and was visible a couple of times as Cooper tended Audrey.
> >Looked a lot like Bob to me.  He can not be confused with Hawk (both have long
> > hair) as they are both visible in the same shot.


I haven't gone back and watched the scene, but since you don't mention
Joey, I think that is who you saw.  It makes sense for Joey to be at
the Bookhouse since he was present at our first visit to the Bookhouse.

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