Season 2, Episode 05: The Orchid's Curse — October 27–November 02, 1990

In article <1990Oct26.162213.12889@midway.uchicago.edu>, swsh@ellis.uchicago.edu (Janet M. Swisher) writes...
} I replayed the tape again last night, and I'm positive there was no M or R
} in the way Louie said the gentleman's name. I believe the name is:

} *Tajewa*

The TV GUIDE entry for the 10/27 episodes says (among other things):

"Tojamura has a business proposition for Benjamin"

--

"Good thing you guys can't keep a secret."

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In article <26334.2727f666@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> mouse@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>According to today's issue of _USA Today_, the mysterious oriental man
>is "Mr. Tojimura", played by Fumio Yamaguchi. The actor is quoted as
>saying the character is "very colorful, dangerous and romantic... with
>an original way of expressing his desires. There are many faces and
>sides to his character." Frost is quoted, saying the character "involves
>a long-running revenge plot by an old enemy of (the late) Andrew Pack-
>ard's and brings out the history of the Packard family... You can be
>sure it will not take a conventional turn."
>
>N. L. Sliker, School of Engineering, Univ. of Kansas
>mouse@ukanvax
Hooey.

I'll believe it when someone comes up with verification of Yamaguchi-san's
appearance in another play/movie/TV show. Let me start the ball rolling with
some negative information:

- The TV guide listing definitely links Fumio Yamaguchi with the bearded
Mr. Tojimura.

- He's not in the Martin/Porter guide.

- He's not listed in the Maltin guide under any of Kurosawa's films, nor
TORA(3), nor MERRY XMAS, Mr. LAWRENCE (Just a hunch.) This is obviously
not a very exhaustive search, but I think it makes it unlikely that he is
a Japanese citizen. If he exists, he is more likely to be Japanese-American.
(I also checked the credits of every Japanese film at the local RKO. No
dice.)

- He's not listed in the Encyclopedia Britannica. (No, I wasn't looking for
for the actor--I thought maybe Lynch/Frost would use the name of a famous
or obscure Japanese figure. No listing under Fumio or Yamaguchi)

- Yamaguchi is the name of a province of western Honshu, Japan, as well as
a large city in that province, and a couple of small villages. This, as
far as I can tell, is totally useless information.

- Fumio does not seem to be a geographic name, nor did I run across it
while scanning Japanese movie credits. Can anyone confirm that this
is a Japanese name? It certainly sounds legit (to my Western ear).

This ends my involvment with the mysterious Yamaguchi-san. Perhaps a more
ambitious left-coaster could call SAG, or whatever other actors' unions are
out there, and try to get the name of his agent.

Let's try to stick to facts and not "He is so." "He is not." sorts of
arguments folks. I'm still reeling from the "who was the guy in the
rain?" discussion.
--
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Malcolm Austin -- maus@morgan.com
Disclaimer -- You didn't see this, because I wasn't here. Got it? Good.
===============================================================================

Wake up! Mr. Tojimura IS Catherine Martell in disguise. Even the USA Today
article hinted broadly at this. I also see no prominent Adam's apple, but even
if I did, it could be a prosthetic job or an appliance...

>- Yamaguchi is the name of a province of western Honshu, Japan, as well as
> a large city in that province, and a couple of small villages. This, as
> far as I can tell, is totally useless information.
For what it's worth--Yamaguchi is the name of one of the major
Yakuza (mafia) families in Osaka. And Osaka is pretty much
the yakuza capital of Japan.

--Sheila Wassmer, HP Colorado IC Division

In article <1990Oct26.162213.12889@midway.uchicago.edu> swsh@ellis.uchicago.edu (Janet M. Swisher) writes:
>I replayed the tape again last night, and I'm positive there was no M or R
>in the way Louie said the gentleman's name. I believe the name is:
>
>*Tajewa*
Are you SURE it's not *Tajisakinakimorasan*?

--Kirkl

"Boys will be boys and play with toys so be strong with your beast."
-- M.J., "Memo From Turner"

In article <16747@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:

>Back when that episode first aired, there was an article posted here that
>came from a newspaper article claiming that that MAG was a detective from
>Hong Kong who was on Josie's trail. Either that article was wrong, or
>Lynch & Frost changed their minds, or his is not the same character as
>Jonathan. It's definitely a different actor, though.

I was the one who posted the article. My source was the TV supplement to the
Philadelphia Inquirer (that's with an 'I', thank you very much). In it, Joan
Chen said that we should watch her character more closely. In particular, she
said that in the season finale a Hong Kong detective would arrive to take her
away. This did not happen. But that's hardly surprising, considering the web
of false rumors surrounding the show. Maybe Lynch and Frost did change their
minds, or maybe this was one of those false scripts we keep hearing about.

By the way, in that article I had developed a thoughtful and extremely
convincing explanation of why Bart Simpson killed Laura Palmer. If I may be
allowed to quote myself, I said:

The letters found under the fingernails of the two victims were 'R' and 'T'.
Any guesses as to what the next letter will be?

And of course when the 'B' was found, there was a rash of young upstarts on
the net, each claiming to have figured it out.

But I knew it with only *two* letters...

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| "Remember, all criminals are rats...and should be treated as such!" |
| --Dick Tracy in The Dick Tracy Serial |
| |
| "It's all right--only a flesh wound!" --same as above |

In article <2024@maus.Morgan.COM>, maus@Morgan.COM (Malcolm Austin) writes...
} I'll believe it when someone comes up with verification of Yamaguchi-san's
} appearance in another play/movie/TV show.

The burden of proof is on you to prove that Fumio Yamaguchi does *not*
exist.

} Let me start the ball rolling with some negative information:

} The TV guide listing definitely links Fumio Yamaguchi with the bearded
} Mr. Tojimura.

Why is this negative? Seems to me like it supports the idea that there is
an actor named Fumio Yamaguchi, and that he plays Mr. Tojamura [note the
correct spelling].

} He's not in the Martin/Porter guide.

Neither are any of the following cast members of TWIN PEAKS (and I did
*not* check *everyone* on my cast list):

Deputy Andy Brennan Harry Goaz
Lucy Moran Kimmy Robertson
Sid [The Judge's law clerk] Claire Stansfield
District Attorney Daryl Lodwick Ritch Brinkley
Jonathan [Josie's cousin] Mak Takano
Sylvia Horne [mother] Jan D'Arcy
Laura Palmer [dead] Sheryl Lee
Madeleine Ferguson [cousin] Sheryl Lee
Donna Hayward Lara Flynn Boyle
"Doc" Will Hayward [Donna's father] Warren Frost
Eileen Hayward [mother] Mary Jo Deschanel
Harriet Hayward [sister #1] Jessica Wallenfels
Bobby Briggs Dana Ashbrook
James Hurley James Marshall
Nadine Hurley [aunt] Wendy Robie
Ronette Pulaski Phoebe Augustine
Shelly Johnson Madchen Amick
Leo Johnson [husband] Eric Da Re
Margaret, the Log Lady Catherine E. Coulson
Phillip Michael Gerard [The One-Armed Man] Al Strobel
"Killer Bob" Frank Silva
The Giant Carel Struycken
Einar Thorson [Icelandic investor] Brian Straub
Heba [Icelandic investor] Mary Stavin


} He's not listed in the Maltin guide under any of Kurosawa's films, nor
} TORA(3), nor MERRY XMAS, Mr. LAWRENCE (Just a hunch.) This is obviously
} not a very exhaustive search, but I think it makes it unlikely that he is
} a Japanese citizen. If he exists, he is more likely to be Japanese-American.
} (I also checked the credits of every Japanese film at the local RKO. No
} dice.)

There's a rather well-known Japanese actor by the name of Yusaku Matsuda.
At least, he's well-known in Japan, in both films and television. Outside
of Japan, he's virtually unknown. Martin & Porter only list one film he's
been in -- a subtitled Japanese import entitled THE FAMILY GAME. M&P do
*not* list him, however, for the role of his that most people will likely
recognize him from: the villain Sato in BLACK RAIN.

The fact that you have not been able to track down a credit for Fumio
Yamaguchi doesn't mean shit. He could be in dozens of Japanese films that
never made it to the US.

} He's not listed in the Encyclopedia Britannica. (No, I wasn't looking for
} for the actor--I thought maybe Lynch/Frost would use the name of a famous
} or obscure Japanese figure. No listing under Fumio or Yamaguchi)

Seems to me that this "evidence" suggests that it's not a made-up name.

} Let's try to stick to facts and not "He is so." "He is not." sorts of
} arguments folks. I'm still reeling from the "who was the guy in the
} rain?" discussion.

I agree, let's stick to facts. However, I also suggest that the proper
procedure is to assume that the credit is legitimate in the absence of
evidence to the contrary. That's why I say the burden of proof is on the
people who say that Mr. Tojamura is Catherine in disguise.

--

"Good thing you guys can't keep a secret."

--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)
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Fumio Yamaguchi is a legitimate Japanese name. Furthermore Fumio is
solely a male name.
However I have not heard of an actor by this name, nor has a Japanese
friend of mine. If he is a real person he is not very famous, but of
course there is no need for a famous actor to play this role.

On the other hand Tojimura, or Tajimura, or Tajemura or whatever...is
not a legitimate Japanese name (as far as we know; it is also not in
P.G. O'Neill's dictionary of names). But as this is a name for a
fictional character in the show it does not necessarily mean anything.

It's a quiet little life with no problems between | John Leo
the stove that smokes and the ever-open window that | leo@theory.lcs.mit.edu
looks out on a landscape becomming daily less |
coherent...But what am I saying? And to whom?...
All questions not worth asking from now on. (Alain Robbe-Grillet)

In article <90302.115519LIBR8506@Ryerson.CA>, LIBR8506@Ryerson.CA writes...
} Wake up! Mr. Tojimura IS Catherine Martell in disguise.

Go back to sleep. He isn't her.

} Even the USA Today article hinted broadly at this.

Quote please.

} I also see no prominent Adam's apple,

Look again at the scene where Mr. T. is standing in the hotel lobby looking
at Ben. It practically reaches out and grabs you by the lapels.

} but even if I did, it could be a prosthetic job or an appliance...

One that would fool Ben when he's standing right in front of Mr. T.?
Make-up and prosthetics just isn't that good.

--

"Good thing you guys can't keep a secret."

--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)
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Just because Piper Laurie plays Catharine does not imply she would
have to play Catharine-disguised-as-somebody-else.
The problem I have with the Catharine-in-disguise theory is that
she would have to view Ben Horne as a potential enemy because (1) He
knew about the hiding place for the ledger [scene where she says ``not
even Pete knows that''] (2) Ben's name on the insurance policy. Thus
running big risk of identification by a bad guy.

In article <39310@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> jbuck@galileo.berkeley.edu (Joe Buck) writes:
> >
> >There's been too much character development to have the solution
> >be that an otherwise normal, random character were possessed by
> >some demon, killed Laura, and has now forgotten all about it.
> >
> >Lynch and Frost seem to have gone to a lot of effort to have
> >the show and the characters make sense on a psychological level --
> >the mental disturbances the characters exhibit, etc.  I think
> >that to find the solution, we need to look at this level, along
> >with the added twist that the dream world is "real" in Twin Peaks,
> >a kind of meatier Jungian collective unconscious.
> >
> >Having Andy be the killer just doesn't seem consistent with
> >this.  There's just no connection with Laura, no "why".  Yes,
> >I know, "why" could be because the ghost of BOB thought it
> >was a cute idea, but I just don't like it.
> >

....joe, i agree w/ your conclusion that andy isn't (or shouldn't be)
the killer....however, you're ideas about leland being molested and
now having a BOB personality are wrong in my opinion....this does not
explain at all the motive for all the murders....according to you, the
murders are the result of leland being molested more than 40 years ago
and leland waited until now to start murdering....plus, this doesn't
fit in with the ritual at the traincar or the OAM's speech in coop's
dream....i am still sticking to my BLACK MAGIC theory (posted a couple
of days ago) which explains the traincar scene and motive for the
murders....however, if indeed BOB does require a human host and acted
thru someone, then it makes sense that it would be leland since many
clues point to him and he makes infinitely more sense than andy et
al....but BOB is the ultimate cause, while leland is merely an
instrument used by BOB....

console cowboy

  Could someone with a copy of the tape please post that last bit of dialogue
that Harold Smith says at the end of the episode?  I (and everyone that I
was watching with) simply could not understand what he said.  Thanks in 
advance....



Brian Markenson
---------------
brianm@ocf.Berkeley.EDU

   My guess is that there was originally Cooper going to explore suspicious
noises, then finding they had some explanation which the censors later cut.

I was asked not once but twice to keep a ratings diary back in the early
'80s. This was for the Nielsen ratings, by the way. I have no idea how
they decided to pick me, so I guess it must be totally random. Here's
what they did:

They sent me a ratings diary good for two weeks. Every 15 minute slice
had to be logged - even if I only watched something for 5 minutes - and
the number of viewers in the room at any given time was also to be logged.
They also wanted to know when the tv was on without anyone watching. There
was absolutely nothing in the instructions about VCRs.

I thought this ratings diary would be a good opportunity to plug shows I
wanted to have stay on the air, so I filled in a lot of PBS and other
things I liked, even if I wasn't around to watch when they were on. In
other words, I cheated! I'm sure I wasn't the only one cheating on the
diary, so I'm totally unconvinced as to the accuracy of any such ratings
schemes.

Everyone I know at work watches TP, but mostly on tape. Just look at the
number of postings in this group! After a few days of not reading I fired
it up only to find 500+ articles! I just don't believe any ratings service
that puts TP at the bottom and something like Golden Girls (I don't know
anyone who watches it) at the top.

--
John Howells
howells@earth.arc.nasa.gov 
howells@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov

In article <645@kaos.MATH.UCLA.EDU> sherman@math.ucla.edu (William Sherman) 
writes:
> >In article <1990Oct30.070414.17015@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> slg20427@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu 
(Special Agent Cooper) writes:

>> >>And why the Hell was Bobby Briggs walking around the Great Northern?

> >He's following Hank, because he recognizes him (Hank) as the guy who shot
> >Leo, but Bobby doesn't know who Hank is, other than as a worker at the
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >RR Diner.  So he's just snooping around Hank.

Actually, Bobby probably knows that Hank is Norma's husband.  Shelley 
knows, and if she talks about work at all to Bobby, surely she'd mention
that Norma's husband Hank just got out of jail.  Also, in the secret diary,
Laura mentions Hank being sent up for manslaughter;  Bobby was hanging around
with Laura during that period.  It seems likely that any regular of the RR
would know who Hank is.

But yes, Bobby is trying to figure out Hank's deal, since Bobby saw Hank
shoot Leo.

Janet

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In article <1990Nov1.074622.2089@rice.edu> fi@whittaker.rice.edu (Fiona Oceanstar) writes:
> >I am.  Really!  I think those of us who are married to men
> >named BOB need to form a support group.
> >
I, too, married a man named roBeRT; but everyone here in New
England instantly calls him "BOB" when they meet him.  Like,
he'll say, "hi, I'm Robert" and they reply "how do you do, BOB?"

Go figure it!

Carrie "please don't make me leave" Bullington

P.S.  I'll join your support group, Fiona!  I loved your 
      analysis of Ronette's post-trauma syndrome!

Back to "Twin Peaks"

In article <1990Nov1.132958.8688@agate.berkeley.edu> ps199-at@garnet.berkeley.edu (pamela pon) writes:
> >Kyle MacLachlan narrates this week's episode of THE AMERICAN EXPERIENCE on PBS,
> >entitled (appropriately enough) INSANITY ON TRIAL, about the assassination of 
> >President Garfield.  
> >
This aired Monday night here in New England and was quite intriguing.
My only gripe was that I tuned in about half way and hoped to see at
least a brief *glimpse* of Kyle at the end -- but alas <sigh> no luck!
So all you Kyle fans (drooling and otherwise) may be disappointed, but
you'll learn some hist'ry!!

Carrie "please don't make me leave" Bullington

In article <3852@amc-gw.amc.com> stuart@tfatf.amc.com (Stuart Poulin) writes:
> >In article <31570006@hpsmpa.HP.COM> dapron@hpsmpa.HP.COM (Mike Dapron) writes:
>> >>
>> >>16. Where did the bass and drums come from in the infamous James,
>> >>    Donna, and Maddy sing on helium scene?
> >
> >The bass and drums didn't bother me - MIDI makes this possible....

Yes, but James was playing a guitar when the bass and drums joined in.
Syncronization would be a problem.  I supposed he could have pressed 
a footswitch which started up a sequencer but I didn't see any equipment 
like that in the scene.   :-)

More seriously:  Laura had been dead a little over a week, he just
got out of jail, he is in a love-triangle with Donna and Maddy -
why on Earth did they suddenly decide to get out the music equipment
and do a song?  Who's idea was it?  Did one of them call the other
two up and say "Hey, let's do a song"?

-- Scott Amspoker Basis International, Albuquerque, NM (505) 345-5232 unmvax.cs.unm.edu!bbx!bbxsda!scott

In article <645@kaos.MATH.UCLA.EDU> sherman@math.ucla.edu (William Sherman) writes:
> >In article <1990Oct30.070414.17015@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> slg20427@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Special Agent Cooper) writes:
>> >>
>> >>And why the Hell was Bobby Briggs walking around the Great Northern?
> >
> >He's following Hank, because he recognizes him (Hank) as the guy who shot
> >Leo, but Bobby doesn't know who Hank is, other than as a worker at the
> >RR Diner.  So he's just snooping around Hank.


Why wouldn't Bobby know who Hank is?  Hank is Norma's husband, Norma 
is not only Shelley's employer but her friend, Bobby is Shelley's 
lover.  Under those circumstances I can't imagine one of the four 
not knowing about the other's relationships.  Norma knows about 
Shelley and Bobby, for instance.  

Besides, when Hank got out on parole and went to work at the cafe 
along with Shelley, can you imagine Shelley not mentioning this to 
Bobby?

--Barbara

--
Barbara HlavinOh I am a cat that likes to 
twain@blake.acs.washington.eduGallop about doing good.
U Washington JC-21/Seattle 98105  -Stevie Smith

In article <17600007@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM> oz@hpkslx.mayfield.HP.COM (Kent Ostby) writes:
> >The way to keep Coop around is to have him look into the drug smuggling.
> >I believe it crosses state lines and would therefore be under federal
> >jurisdiction.

I think that this is a reasonable conclusion to make unless someone has
figured out to grow large quantities of coca and/or opium in the Great
Pacific Northwest. :)

-dd-

In article <32136@netnews.upenn.edu>, millerl@kings.wharton.upenn.edu (Loren J. Miller) writes:
> > 1. why did blackie tell jean renault that agent cooper killed his brother
> >    when everybody knows that leland did it?

Another good choice of Twin_Peaks_Related music/video is Julee Cruise's
album, "Floating Into the Night", all Julee Cruise tunes, including the 
one she did at the endo of Lynch's "Blue Velvet".  Another neato thing
that I recently got was a copy of Lynche's collaboration with composer
Angelo Badalamenti, a video work entitled "Industrial Symphony #1".

Both are excellent...

Later...
Eric Ondler
(msuacm@plains.nodak.edu)

In article <46216@apple.Apple.COM> scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass) writes:
> >Fiona Oceanstar -- you're the psychologist, right?  Well, do they
> >really send forty-year-old women with extraordinary strength who
> >believe they're still in high school home with their husbands?  And
> >what about Leo?  Would they send him home for his teenaged wife to
> >look after?  Sounds like Doc Hayward's trying to clear out the
> >hospital!
> >

It's just that health care has become very expensive.  Look at what
happened to menatl health care.  During the Carter admin, large hospitals
were closed down in favor of community based care.  During the Regan years,
funding for the community based programs was cut and as a result, the streets
of our cities are full of crazy people.  As far as Leo is concerned, who
is going to pay his hospital bills?  He'll be luckey if he gets a weekly
visit from the county nurse.



> >Any opinions above may be mine and are not necessarily those of Apple Computer.

From: millerl@kings.wharton.upenn.edu (Loren J. Miller)
> >1. why did blackie tell jean renault that agent cooper killed his brother
> >   when everybody knows that leland did it?

Eh?  I thought is was stated that Leo had killed Bernard Renault...

Gary W. Olson     (34EPWQL@CMUVM.BITNET)    Central Michigan University
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Homer:"Mary Bailey isn't going to fire me if I don't vote for her.  I'm
        for Marty Burns!"
Lisa:"Ooh, a political discussion at our table! I feel like a Kennedy."

Here's a possible discontinuity, but I may have missed something, 
if so, I apologize in advance (so don't blast me!).

If Sara was the source/inspiration for the sketch of BOB, which
is rendered by Hawk from her dream/vision, why isn't Leland
aware of this? It seems to me that she would certainly tell her
husband about her vision and he would certainly want to see the
drawing of his daughter's killer. Why then is the first sight he 
has of the sketch later with the OAM? Also, if the sketch was 
drawn before the murder of Jacques, why then did Leland kill
Jacques? If he saw the sketch, he would know BOB was the killer!


__Julie___

Talking to a friend who just went up there, there really is a diner
that looks like the Double-R , though with different name.

Cherry Pie is a must! And remember, THE OWLS ARE NOT WHAT THEY SEEM
and BOB NEEDS A HUMAN HOST!

I also thought, at first glance, that the rake-the-face scene was
a cheapo effects scene.   But then .... maybe not.  Perhaps Harold
did not cut himself, but smeared the fresh blood that was on the
garden tool, the blood from LP, onto his face.  Maybe it was the murder
weapon.  With the humid and hot environment, perhaps the blood could
stay fresh for 12 days?

Then again, maybe not.

Pittsberg may be a major fact for future TP development.

After 11/10, we know who killed LP.  Future plot development
will need to involve expansion of themes to other cities and
other conspiracies.  I wouldn't be surprised if Agent Cooper 
becomes involved on the other side: temporarily possessed?

I mean, perhaps it Coop who is the psychotic?

The letters under the fingernails?  The dreams?  The giant?
Tibet?  The dancing midget?  Turning down a nude Audrey?

I rest my case...

Ack!

How can you spoil it all by bringing reality into the picture!
I'm sure that there are no alterior motives for character
development beyond the purist attitudes of Mr. Lynch.

Mike,

You've put your finger on the reason why I like TP so much.
Even after we've sifted thousands of netnotes of clues, and
re-watched the tapes a dozen times, these little plot twists
reveal more depth.

Man behind tree at first Leo-Bobby-Mike meeting:  I don't know
who he is , but I can rule out some people: He has a left arm so
he isn't OAM.  He isn't fat, so he isn't Jacques Renault.  He is
over 5'10", so he isn't Bernie Renault.  The only ones left are
Jean Renault, a possible bankroller for the drugs, or BOB, or Josie's
asian co-hort.

Two reasons for why James started to sing a song:

1. Early in the shows, he mentions that his father is a musician somewhere
on the West Coast -- not dead.  His mother sleeps around.

2. He is trying to emulate his father.  I suspect that James' father will
soon come onto the scene.  A recent interview with singer Chris Isaaks of
the San Francisco Bay Area said that he was a TP fan and David Lynch
was goind to get him into the show -- he had already contributed to 
the soundtrack of WIld at Heart and DL would pay him back with a role.
I think that Chris will enter the scene as Mr. Hurley!

"Who is this ...Dick....ah....Wiener?"
I know that "BOB NEEDS A HUMAN HOST"...does this guy qualify?
He certainly sounds like an individual with a great amount of anger
to vent toward anyone.  Why pick us harmless TP fans?  It's obvious
that we represent the more progressive edge of thinking....

In the first show and on the "DIANE ...the Agent Cooper" tape by Simon and
Schuster, Special Agent Dale Cooper says somehting like "TWin Peaks...12 miles
fromthe Idaho border and 8 miles from the Canada border...Ronnette Pulaski
was found wandering across the stateline (in Idaho)...that's why the FBI
has been called in."

I think this about locates Twin Peaks.  Before I found out this info, I
was using all the Highway references and city references to try and locate
the place -- don't try --it doesn't map out.  Example, Doc Hayward mentions
that he got a friend from "Fairvale" or something like that to do the autopsy.
There is a city like this (slightly different name) across the Canada border
near the mythic location.   The one-armed man is staying in a hotel "on Route
15 ?".  There is such a route but it is across southern Washington state.
There is no lake that stretches from Washington to Canada at the right place,
and with a casino at one side and a waterfall nearby.  Snoqualmie (site of the 
actual waterfall and lodge shown in opening) is actually one hour east of 
Seattle.  Cooper tells Albert to take "Lewis Forks" and stop for a pie
"that'll kie you".  Ben Horne gets kidnapper directions with route numbers
and road info...mythic I bet.

That's all the info I've been able to get.  (Also the Pearl Lakes reference)

Actually Fumio Yamiguchi means Pandora Spocks in Japanese.

i've probably missed something, but i don't understand why
Cooper orders the letters as he does...it's certainly not
the order of appearance (T from Teresa Banks, R from Laura,
and the B from Ronette, right?), nor the reverse.

also, have the letters all come from the same finger?  same
hand?

-tim(isthereanL?)r 
-- I am the brother of dragons, and a companion to owls. Job 30:29 Usenet: !{uunet,ucbvax!ucscc,decvax!microsof}!sco!timr, ...!mcsun!ukc!scol!timr Internet: timr@sco.COM,timr%sco.COM@ucscc.UCSC.EDU,@ucscc.UCSC.EDU:timr@sco.COM

That's exactly where we get that famous note :

        " FIRE  WALK WITH ME"

They were talking about the FIREWOOD!

In article <Ab=g84m00Vsn03459Z@andrew.cmu.edu>, bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) writes:
> > 
> > No, she was talking about Bobby Briggs.  See "The Secret Diary of
> > Laura Palmer."
> > 
While that may be true, there is a bit of an inconsistency between
the diary and the show. In the show, James told Donna that Laura
told him that Bobby told her that he had killed someone. (I'm
REALLY sorry for that last sentence but I couldn't think of any
other way to phrase that.) Anyway, in the diary, Laura was WITH
Bobby when he shot someone who was chasing them after a drug
deal gone sour. So it wouldn't be necessary for Bobby to
TELL her this. Unless he killed someone ELSE. Or unless
Laura keeps forgetting....

Great.  My name is Robert... Bob...
This support group thing's really going help my chances with
getting some computer babes....

Call me Robby....

In article <43570@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> v101pyrw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
> >In article <16844@shlump.nac.dec.com>, boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes...
>> >><...> 
>> >>The burden of proof is on you to prove that Fumio Yamaguchi does *not*
>> >>exist.
> >
> >Agreed.  It seems we're getting a little carried away here(myself included) why
> >don't we proponents of the Fumio=Piper theory and the Fumio=Fumio theory wait
> >until this is conclusively resolved.

why discuss any theory before it's conclusively resolved?

> >I'm sure it will be.

i'm not.  i like the theory put forth by Douglas Van Wieren 
(douglasv@dip.eecs.umich.edu) that Piper, or whoever, is not
playing Catherine in disguise (it is clear to me that there's
a disguise--maybe even this Fumio, but it sure seems like a
woman).

> >When it is the people who were correct can all join in a collective:
> >"I told you so!"

-tim(what'swrongwithgettingalittlecarriedaway?)r
-- Of all the horrid, hideous notes of woe, Sadder than the owls songs or the midnight blast, Is that portentous phrase, "I told you so." --Byron, _Don Juan_ Usenet: !{uunet,ucbvax!ucscc,decvax!microsof}!sco!timr, ...!mcsun!ukc!scol!timr Internet: timr@sco.COM,timr%sco.COM@ucscc.UCSC.EDU,@ucscc.UCSC.EDU:timr@sco.COM

Oh it could be much worse!

Imagine.

1-900-ITSBOB
1-900-ANDYIT
1-900-TRUMAN

and you pick the ending.  Yes, a recent purchase by ABC of a UNIX workstation
with modem and statistical analysis package combined with computer controlled
video players allows TP fans to choose alternate endings.  At each commercial
break, viewers can call in to influence which reel will be played next, determing
the final outcome....

DANGER WILL ROBINSON!

In article <1990Nov1.011059.3297@agate.berkeley.edu> katie@eris.berkeley.edu (Kate Schwarz) writes:
}In article <90304.104615OERONND@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>
}OERONND@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
}>... Have we known before that Hawk's name is Bob.
}
}It isn't. His name is Tommy "Hawk" Hill...

any cinematic or literary references to a Tomahawk Hill?

-timr
-- Peyton Farquhar is dead; his body, with a broken neck, swung gently from side to side beneath the timbers of the Owl Creek Bridge. --Ambrose Bierce Usenet: !{uunet,ucbvax!ucscc,decvax!microsof}!sco!timr, ...!mcsun!ukc!scol!timr Internet: timr@sco.COM,timr%sco.COM@ucscc.UCSC.EDU,@ucscc.UCSC.EDU:timr@sco.COM

In article <90304.104615OERONND@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> OERONND@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
> >The idea that Hawk either IS an owl or is connected to the species in some
> >important way deserves some more comment...

why not the idea that, if connected to a bird, Hawk is a hawk?

> ><...> 
> >The most interesting line of speculation has to do with the fact that Hawk is
> >a North American Indian, presumably of one of the north-west coastal tribes,
> >who are famous for their totemism and, I think, of their veneration of
> >animals. This includes the belief that spirits inhabit animals, that their are
> >good and evil spirits etc. Perhaps Hawk is, or is able to contact these
> >spirits.

yes, you'll probably see at least one owl or hawk (and probably
both) on any substantial totem pole.  the distictive artwork
with the unique stylization of animals can be seen copied all
over the hotel.
but the messages in Northwest Coast totemic art are clear and
explicit only to the members of the tribe and clan who know the
meanings of the "signs." the animals symbolize a mythical or
historic event in the social background of the artist.

we don't know what tribe Hawk's from (why coastal?) or what the
symbols mean to him (and his people).  maybe the deal with the
owls has been going on for an awful long time (has Cooper even
mentioned the owls to Hawk?); maybe not.

> >Perhaps he wants revenge for what white society has done to his (their)
> >land (the trees!!).

Hawk may or may not have some good medicine working for him, but
he's almost certainly a good(TM) guy.  native americans have been
given a bad enough rap from hollywood already--i don't think Lynch
would unleash a covert Earth First! injun on us...

> >This would lend TP a nifty local and political flavor. Timely too, with
> >the Spotted Owl and National Forests debate (Could this really be just a
> >coincidence?)

yes, and a wonderful one at that.

> ><...> 
> >Does anyone out there know anything about coastal indians religions?

how 'bout blood types (just for fun)?

some native americans reveal almost all O (europeans typically run
40-50% O, 30-40% A, 8-12% B, and 1-6% AB) with B nearly absent.
other agglutinators (M, Duffy, Diego, Kidd) are common to natives
but not to europeans.

-tim(there'sthingsyoucan'tgetinbooks)r
-- A falcon, towering in her pride of place Was by a mousing owl hawked at and killed. --Shakespeare, _Macbeth_ Usenet: !{uunet,ucbvax!ucscc,decvax!microsof}!sco!timr, ...!mcsun!ukc!scol!timr Internet: timr@sco.COM,timr%sco.COM@ucscc.UCSC.EDU,@ucscc.UCSC.EDU:timr@sco.COM

In article <2260@byron.ed.ac.uk> lorraine@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Lorraine Leddy) writes:
> >Is there any one out there who can help put my idea into action...that
> >is creating a Twin-Peaks newsgroup in the UK as the American one gives
> >away most of the plot when we have only saw the first pilot!!!
> >
> >
> >If there any others how share this view please postnews and see if we
> >can get a response???

Count me in.  It really narks me that this is true not only for twin peaks
but for all sorts of movies as well.  In rec.arts.movies there is always
discussion on the current movies in the states, six months later they arrive
in britain and noone wants to discuss them any more.

I don't know what the groups should be called, whether they should be
under uk or under the existing alt.tv and rec.arts.movies.

Tim.

--
Tim Lennard-Jones, British Telecom Research Labs, Suffolk, England. 
tlj@planet.bt.co.uk

"If moths like the light so much, why do they come out at night?"

In article <43813@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> v075nkds@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
> >
> >Am I the only one who was disappointed that Cooper needed to consult
> >the floor plan of OEJ's? Certainly the place is big, but it seems to me that

Which reminds me, exactly where did Coop get the floor plan in the first
place?  Ben hasn't let on that he owns the place has he?

-Bob Hettmansperger    bobh@twinkie.bellcore.com

In article <1990Nov1.225248.16939@midway.uchicago.edu> swsh@ellis.uchicago.edu (Janet M. Swisher) writes:
> >In article <2260@byron.ed.ac.uk> lorraine@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Lorraine Leddy) 
> >writes:
>> >>Is there any one out there who can help put my idea into action...that
>> >>is creating a Twin-Peaks newsgroup in the UK as the American one gives
>> >>away most of the plot when we have only saw the first pilot!!!
> >
> >Rather than create two geographically-based newsgroups for the same show,
> >the ideal situation would be for North American posters to put 
> >Distribution: na (i.e. North America) in their articles, especially the

nahhhh....... i think it's more sensible for the uk posters to use
distribution uk, as this stops the informed american punters spoiling
our discussion. if the series two posters still post to the world, then
it's up to us to read or skip.
it's no fun asking why the crazy doctor has a brocken heart necklace, if
someone *knows* the answer.

david neilson (not nielson)

In article <90305.030246KPURCELL@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK>, KPURCELL@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK writes...
> >As you may realise we have just had the second episode here in the
> >UK of Twin Peaks, and so we are heavily out of phase with the USA.

> >BTW, in episode 2, when Sarah hugs Donna she superimposes Laura's
> >face on Donna, then when hugging her and looking over her should she
> >sees this guy with long hair crouching (behind a bed?). Is this BOB?

Yes you have seen Killer BOB.  Just who or what Killer BOB is has not
yet been determined.  BTW, you're talking about episode 1 (pilots are not
numbered).

> >Can somebody send me info on the Secret Diary (author, publisher, etc),
> >I have friend in the US (not far from TP -- Seattle!) who could get me
> >a copy. Does anybody know of any other Tp merchandising (T-shirts, caps etc).

"The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer" was written by Jennifer Lynch (Lynch's 22
year old daughter).  I have no idea who published it.  Any T-shirts you see
are probably illegal.  I don't think Lynch and Frost are marketing TP clothing
yet.  There are two cd's out with music from the show.  Julee Cruise's "Floating
Into the Night" and the TP soundtrack.  

--Michelle

In artilce <27318ACF.18467@orion.oac.uci.edu>dkrause@orion.oac.
uci.edu (Doug Krause) writes:

> >wouldn't floor plans for public buildings (assuming this is one) be available
> >at the County Hall of Records?

I really don't think that a brothel and gaming house could be considered
a legally acknowledge public building, even in Canada. It's more likely that
Cooper contacted the bureau and that the FBI is aware of the facility and has
a file on it, containing a floor plan.

BTW, a lot of people write about the information contained in the 
Secret Diary. However, I'm curious about the tapes containing Cooper's
messages to Diane. Has anyone bought the cassette? Does it merely contain
the messages we've already heard on the show or is there additional
material that would be of interest to the TP newsnet?

-Julie

In article <44025@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> v075nkds@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
#
#In artilce <27318ACF.18467@orion.oac.uci.edu>dkrause@orion.oac.
#uci.edu (Doug Krause) writes:
#
#>wouldn't floor plans for public buildings (assuming this is one) be available
#>at the County Hall of Records?
#
#I really don't think that a brothel and gaming house could be considered
#a legally acknowledge public building, even in Canada. It's more likely that
#Cooper contacted the bureau and that the FBI is aware of the facility and has
#a file on it, containing a floor plan.

Good point, it's just that it has the big ol' neon sign out front and
everybody (including the sheriff) seems to know about it.

Douglas Krause                     One yuppie can ruin your whole day.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
University of California, Irvine   Internet: dkrause@orion.oac.uci.edu
Welcome to Irvine, Yuppieland USA  BITNET: DJKrause@ucivmsa

In article <28491@bellcore.bellcore.com> bobh@twinkie.bellcore.com (Bob Hettmansperger) writes:
#Which reminds me, exactly where did Coop get the floor plan in the first
#place?  Ben hasn't let on that he owns the place has he?

Wouldn't floor plans for public buildings (assuming this is one) be
available at the County Hall of Records?

Douglas Krause                     One yuppie can ruin your whole day.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
University of California, Irvine   Internet: dkrause@orion.oac.uci.edu
Welcome to Irvine, Yuppieland USA  BITNET: DJKrause@ucivmsa

In article <114030012@hpcuhd.HP.COM> grega@hpcuhd.HP.COM (Number 6) writes:
> >glad@csli.Stanford.EDU (Clayton Glad):
> >
>> >>Can anyone summarize the various clues to locale that have appeared?
> >
> >That's easy.  In Cooper's first dictation to Diane, driving into town,
> >he indicates that Twin Peaks is X miles east of the state border,
> >Y miles south of the Canadian border.  Someone who still has these things
> >on tape can supply values for X and Y, but his speech places TP firmly
> >in the North-Western corner of the state.  

TP can't be based in the "northwestern" corner of the state because the
northwestern corner of the state of Washington borders on Canada and the
*Pacific Ocean*.  It must be the northeastern corner of the state where
the border is with Canada and Idaho.  By the way, the filming for the pilot
(Snoqualmie Falls, etc.) is in North Bend, which is about 40 minutes east
of Seattle on Interstate 90.

-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Everything under the sun is in tune | Bill Morse | | But the sun is eclipsed by the moon | billmors@wpi.wpi.edu | | --Pink Floyd | Worcester Polytechnic Institute |

grega@hpcuhd.HP.COM (Number 6):
glad@csli.Stanford.EDU (Clayton Glad):

> >Can anyone summarize the various clues to locale that have appeared?

> >That's easy.  In Cooper's first dictation to Diane, driving into town,
> >he indicates that Twin Peaks is X miles east of the state border,
> >Y miles south of the Canadian border.  Someone who still has these things
> >on tape can supply values for X and Y, but his speech places TP firmly
> >in the North-Western corner of the state.  

Oops! Page fault! Parity error!  I meant "west of the state border" placing
TP in the "North-Eastern corner of the state."  So Sorry...

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--
B<   Brian Kahn   blk@security.mitre.org   "may the farce be with you"

In article <9011021615.AA06597@gaffa.MIT.EDU> gaffa!jsd (Jon Drukman) writes:
> >In article <44018@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> v101pyrw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
>> >>"The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer" was written by Jennifer Lynch (Lynch's 22
>> >>year old daughter).  I have no idea who published it.  Any T-shirts you see
>> >>are probably illegal.  I don't think Lynch and Frost are marketing TP clothing
>> >>yet.  There are two cd's out with music from the show.  Julee Cruise's "Floating
>> >>Into the Night" and the TP soundtrack.  
> > [various TP shirts]

Two of my friends here in Santa Cruz have a great TP t-shirt.

It's white, with bright blood _red_ capital lettering as large as can be.  

It reads,  I KILLED LAURA PALMER.

Gets lots of strange looks from people who don't know who Laura Palmer is.
I want one. :)

---Michael Kaye   horny@ucscb.ucsc.edu   "BOB made me do it!!"

     I just received the latest catalog from the Tremmel T-Shirt Factory
in Dallas, and they offer a shirt with "DAMN GOOD COFFEE" in what look to 
be 4" letters.

     Tremmel has all sorts of nifty T-shirts, including my favorite: a
picture of RoboClown, a clown in a RoboCop suit, holding a pie, and saying
"Stop, or I'll throw this pie".  The caption says, "In the future, clowns
won't be so damn funny".

     For more info, call 1-800-TREMMEL.

-- Chuck Musciano ARPA : chuck@trantor.harris-atd.com Harris Corporation Usenet: ...!uunet!x102a!trantor!chuck PO Box 37, MS 3A/1912 AT&T : (407) 727-6131 Melbourne, FL 32902 FAX : (407) 729-2537 A good newspaper is never good enough, but a lousy newspaper is a joy forever. -- Garrison Keillor

Hey, what kind of TP costumes were out and about on Halloween?  In Austin,
there's a big to-do on 6th Street each year where thousands get together to
display their Halloween creativity.  I only know of one TP costume - someone
did Agent Cooper.  The one I expected to see the most was a LP, wrapped in
plastic.  But I didn't see one.

What TP costumes did others encounter/wear?

===========================================================================
Rick McCarty                         "WKLP - Coming to you with more hits."
mccarty@aaet.csc.ti.com                              :-)~(-:
===========================================================================

In article <11546@scorn.sco.COM> timr (Stephen King Hawking) writes:
> >
> >In article <90304.104615OERONND@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> OERONND@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
>> >>Does anyone out there know anything about coastal indians religions?
> >
> >how 'bout blood types (just for fun)?
> >
> >some native americans reveal almost all O (europeans typically run
> >40-50% O, 30-40% A, 8-12% B, and 1-6% AB) with B nearly absent.
> >other agglutinators (M, Duffy, Diego, Kidd) are common to natives
> >but not to europeans.

So tell us again...
What was the blood type found on the cloth near the railway car-
presumably the killer's blood.  What type was it?
 
a.h.

In article <16854@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy)
> >In article <8322@darkstar.ucsc.edu>, horny@ucscl.UCSC.EDU (A NEW User) writes
> >} In article <31570006@hpsmpa.HP.COM> dapron@hpsmpa.HP.COM (Mike Dapron) writes
> >}} 7. Why did Bobby have no reaction when he saw Maddy dressed as
> >}}    Laura?
> >
> >} He think he had a reaction... He wasn't going to stand up from hiding
> >} and wave his hands shouting "oh my god! oh my god!".
> >} We don't know what was going on his head when he saw that.
> >
> >I don't think he saw "Laura" at all. I think he was too far away to see
> >her clearly. Besides, he was concentrating on James.

I checked this scene just because of your post, Jayembee. :)
He _definately_ saw Maddy as Laura, and definately had a reaction.
He's about 20 feet from her, and spends some time looking at Maddy
as she is walking towards him.  Bobby wasn't concentrating on James 
here as you say, since at this point Jerry just left with Donna on a 
motorcycle to go to Jacoby's.  Bobby's reaction is a stunned gape.  
He intently stares at Maddy for a bit, hesitating to turn his head 
away before running.  If you comment on this paragraph, please include
it in it's entirety.


> >}} 8. Why did the man with the ski mask hit Jacoby?  Wasn't the hitting
> >}}   motion a lot like the infamous CPR motion of BOB?
> >
> >} I think it's Leland. Prior to the beating, James/Maddy/Donna are listening
> >} to one of Laura's Jacoby tapes. If you watch the scene again, the director
> >} implies very strongly that Leland, in the next room, was listening.
> >
> >If you watch the scene again, you'll notice that they were listening to the
> >tape at the Haywards' house, not the Palmers'. Leland was nowhere near when
> >they were listening to the tape. Recall that just before they listen to the
> >tape, Doc Hayward calls to Donna and tells her that he has to go to the
> >hospital [to attend to Jacques].

Oh well.  we're both confused.  He was at the Haywards, but it wasn't the
scene where Doc Hayward calls to Donna to say that he has to go to the 
hospital, that was the scene /after/ they get the tape from Jacoby's.
(they listen to two different tapes, you are thinking of the second listening)

However, just prior to Jacoby's beating, there is a scene of Maddy
leaving the Palmers house.  The entirety of this scene consists of
Maddy tip toeing down the stairs, and Leland sitting in darkness
with a very disturbing demeanor as he hears her leave.
It's interesting how much emphasis the director puts on Leland here,
and that this scene showing Maddy leaving home with Leland observing
this was even shown.  I'm probably making too much of this, but I can't
think of any other plausable suspect.  Who do you think did it?  
Don't be afraid to take wild guesses.


> >}} 9. Why didn't Jacque's patient monitor beep loudly when he was killed?
> >} It did. The fire alarm Leland pulled was going at the same time though.
> >} It's the monitor alarm that prompts Leland to run away.
> >No, what prompts him to run away was the fire alarm being silenced.

You got me here.  It is the fire alarm, not a heart monitor alarm.
The timing of the alarm sound entering Leland's consciousness coincindes
exactly with the heart monitor going flatline, which is why I was confused.

> >}} 12. Was the person in the ski mask who hit Jacoby the same person
> >}}     in the ski mask who shot Agent Cooper?
> >
> >} Nah. I'm pretty convinced that Leland beat Jacoby, but I can't see him
> >} shooting Cooper.
> >
> >No, I don't think Leland beat up Jacoby, but I think he maybe shot Cooper.
> >The man who beat up Jacoby was wearing a blue gabardine coat. Both Leland
> >and the Cooper-shooter were wearing a dark gray or black tweed coat. The
> >only problem is that I don't have a clear cut motive for Leland to shoot
> >Cooper (other than the obvious "He was afraid Cooper would find out too
> >much").

[Mike's hokey mode on, gln has been warned]
Interesting..  If Leland killed Laura, BOB in Leland might want Cooper
dead if he thought Coop was hot on his trail.  I just have to plug
my BOB in Leland theory every chance I get, don't I?  >*dodges tomatos*<
The asian man does seem to have a very peculiar and unexplained interest 
in Cooper though, right?  I do agree with your reasoning that Jean Renault 
shouldn't be a suspect for Coop's shooting... Unless there is something 
very, very strange about him that we don't know about.

> >"Good thing you guys can't keep a secret."
> >--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)

By the way Jerry, who do you think killed Laura?  If you think it's
BOB, do you think he was possessing someone else to do it?  Who?

Michael Kaye   horny@ucscb.ucsc.edu   "BOB needs a human hostess cupcake"

In article <90301.173532AXN100@psuvm.psu.edu> AXN100@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> > One place Cathrine could have gotten the 5 mill would be from insurance
> > money.  If you remember, the insurance agent told her if she needed anything
> > to call him.  I'm betting she did.

Uh huh.

An insurance salesman walks into his office and says to the cashier, "Can 
you let me have five million dollars for a couple of days?  I've got a 
friend who needs some cash for a week or so..."

Uh huh.

It's clear that you've never had anything to do with the insurance 
industry.

> > Then again I'm the guy who says the whole town killed LP

Mmm.  Figures...

--
Lefty  (lefty@twg.com)                        "And you may ask yourself,
DoD # 0152                                       'How do I work this?'"

In article <655@kaos.MATH.UCLA.EDU> sherman@math.ucla.edu (William Sherman)
> >In article <8408@darkstar.ucsc.edu> horny@ucscl.UCSC.EDU (A NEW User) writes:
> >Horny, I'm surprised at you.  The tattoo said "Fire walk with me", and
> >I think you know that.  You're one of the a.t.t-p pro's... I would
> >have expected such an error from that Weiner schmuck, but you're
> >better than that.
> >If that "NEW User" disclaimer means that somebody new was borrowing
> >horny's account, then perhaps horny should brief them on the basics
> >of Twin Peaks Lore.

hehe..  You are right that the tattoo says "fire, walk with me", not "BOB".
You are also right that someone else wrote that, not me.  
STILL HERE, MICHAEL.  I LIKE IT HERE.  MIGHT STAY AWHILE.

Actually we still don't know for sure what the tattoo said.  Maybe the 
arm will turn up with a letter under the fingernail.  eewww.  Sorry.  :)
I really don't think it said "Mom" as Mike Gerard claims though.
As I said before I don't buy much of what he said during his interrogation.

I'm not an alt.tv.twin-peaks pro, you must be thinking of the fellow
who *insists* that Truman did it.  Actually I thought the most astute
poster to date was the guy who posted a multiple page scathing and
viscious flame of someone who said that "down" didn't necessarily mean
south.  That was the most noteworthy and informative post I have seen
in a long time.  I hope we see more discussion of this nature on this
very fascinating twin peaks topic.

> >[missspellling]
Sorry about using "tatoo" instead of "tattoo".  I usually am pretty
good with spelling.

> >New observation:  I know that the 'Bang Bang' was a great, picturesque
> >choice of where to hold Circuit Court, but why didn't they use that
> >Town Hall room where Cooper originally introduced himself the the
> >town?  Maybe Sternwood just likes having strange foamy indigo drinks
> >on tap for the judicial process.  What with the Valhalla reference,
> >I was expecting him to call for ale or mead instead of liquor.
> >Either that, or start chanting 'Spam'.  Sorry, wrong TV show.

HAHAHahhahAHAHahha hAHhahAHAha hAHAHAH AHhAhah HAHAHAHHAHA HAHHAAHahhA
HAhAHhA hAHHAha hAHHAhAHA hAHHAhhahahah hahahahaha  HAHAHAhAHhAHAA
HAHAHaH hAHAHahHAhahahahhahaha HAHAHhahahahah hAHHahahahahHAHAhahahah
I feel sorry for anyone who hasn't seen that Monty Python skit.

> >      >> Bill Sherman sherman@math.ucla.edu <<

Michael Kaye   horny@ucscb.ucsc.edu  "BOB needs a human hos..pitality girl"

In article <8402@darkstar.ucsc.edu> unknown@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (The Unknown User) writes:
> >
> >In article <1990Oct29.065308.4866@agate.berkeley.edu> physi-bs@garnet.berkeley.edu (Marc D. Peters) writes:
>> >>Reason #2: There are very, very few 'Nielsen families' out there. Something
>> >>like <.01% of the viewing audience is one. Statistical variations are possible.
> >
> >Well, I don't have the statistical background to go into this, but I
> >do know that seemingly -TINY- samples can give very very very accurate
> >representations as a whole.. Someone else may want to elaborate on this, but
> >I believe they do use a very significantly large sample for what they're trying
> >to measure.

I took a statistics course back in high school (gee, that would have been
14-15 years ago).  My memory may be a little hazy on the specifics but I
recall our teacher talking about the Nielson ratings.  At the time they had
about 1200 sampled households.  I think they've increased their sample size
since then.  Anyway, there are statistical methods (which I've long since
forgotten) to show you the accuracy of your sample.  As I recall, there was
nearly a 100% level of confidence that a sample size of 1200 would be at
least 94% accurate.  I think it there was a 95% level of confidence that
it would be at least 97% or 98% accurate.  It was enough to convince me that 
the ratings were pretty accurate even though they often did not match what I 
watched. 

-- Lon Hildreth ...!{decvax,uunet,samsung}!cg-atla!hildreth Agfa Compugraphic or hildreth@cg-atla.agfa.com Wilmington, MA A Cub fan, but not a Bud man.

Regarding the "dead end" at One Eyed Jack's, I got the feeling that
perhaps it was a device to make that hallway appear longer than it
was.  Cooper and Truman reach a bend in the hallway, and then when
Cooper comes back and says "dead end" we're seeing them from a
different angle.  It could be that they re-started there from a
point earlier in the hallway, but the editing made it appear that
they were continuing along starting from the same point.  Less OEJ
set to build.  Too bad they didn't use any money saved to bring
back "Invitation to Love."

Of course, I haven't checked the tape to see how much the evidence
confirms this theory, nor do I know enough about filmmaking to
know if such a device would be used.  So, it's just wild speculation
on my part, making it perfectly suitable for this newsgroup.  Gee,
maybe I should have put "spoiler" in the header... :-)

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In article <21460@well.sf.ca.us> emmanuel@well.sf.ca.us (Emmanuel Goldstein) writes:
> >In article <Ab=g84m00Vsn03459Z@andrew.cmu.edu>, bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) writes:
>> >> 
>> >> No, she was talking about Bobby Briggs.  See "The Secret Diary of
>> >> Laura Palmer."
>> >> 
> >While that may be true, there is a bit of an inconsistency between
> >the diary and the show. In the show, James told Donna that Laura
> >told him that Bobby told her that he had killed someone. (I'm
> >REALLY sorry for that last sentence but I couldn't think of any
> >other way to phrase that.) Anyway, in the diary, Laura was WITH
> >Bobby when he shot someone who was chasing them after a drug
> >deal gone sour. So it wouldn't be necessary for Bobby to
> >TELL her this. Unless he killed someone ELSE. Or unless
> >Laura keeps forgetting....


It doesn't seem inconsistant to me.  Laura just might not have felt 
like telling James that she was with Bobby when he killed someone.

Laura went out of her way to keep the dark side of her life out of 
view from people, James included.  If she had told him she was there,
he might have asked "what were you doing at a murder scene??", to 
which she might have answered, "oh, at the time I had just stolen 
a kilo of coke from these gangster types.  BOB tells me that Satan 
is saving a seat for me as a result of that night."  

Laura wasn't interested in this type of discussion with James.

Michael Kaye  horny@ucscb.ucsc.edu  "BOB needs a human hos...pitality girl"

Here it is - the latest in the highly likely theories about who the 
Asian Guy (TAG) really is.  This doesn't say anything about the Catherine 
connection, but it may shed light on the whole Twin Peaks plot.

    The other day in my film class I saw the 1950 Akira Kurosawa classic
"Rashomon".  The story revolves around the rape of a woman and the murder of
her husband by a bandit.  Instead of showing the actual crime, the movie
reenacts the crime from the descriptions given by the bandit, the woman, the
dead husband (through a medium), and the person who found the body.  

    Now for the interesting parallels.  The crime was committed in the
woods, and the body of the man was found by a woodcutter (=Pete).  The
bandit's name is Tajomaru (=Tojamura, the Asian Guy).  The movie is based
upon how very different the descriptions of the crime were, based upon the
same incident.  The descriptions even vary in the point of who actually
killed the man.  The supernatural slant of twin peaks is evident in the
possession of the medium by the dead husband.  It also turns out that the
woodcutter knew more than he told police about the murders, and that he had
seen the whole thing (Pete has something more to say?).  Finally, a while
back people were saying they did not find any occurences of Fumio as a
Japanese name (someone may have already rebutted this part).  The film's
music is done by Fumio Hayasaka. 

    I'm not going to even pretend that I think TP is a direct rip off of
this movie.  However, it seems possible that it may have been the source for
some of the plot ideas and (likely if Lynch is unfamiliar with Japanese
culture) character names.  Or it all could be coincidence :-)  In any case
criticisms/suggestions would be appreciated (read : open for Flames)

                         Kevin Schraith, University of Illinois

P.S. - this ain't rec.sports.football, but we are going to crush Iowa
tomorrow!

In article <90303.181943SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> SML108@psuvm.psu.edu (Scott the Great) writes:
> >Personally, I think the idea of Andy as BOB is a real cop-out.  Did anyone
> >catch the last few episodes of Wiseguy about the small town in Washington
> >being run by a horror movie buff into Mr. Sardonicus?
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yeah, and in Wiseguy, this character's name was "Volchek".  Note that
the principal of Twin Peaks High was named "Wolchek".

> >The deputy sheriff turned out to be a serial killer ...
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Actually, in the Wiseguy arc, it was the sheriff ("Stem"), not a
deputy sheriff, who turned out to be killer.  Hence, this would be
support for "Truman did it" rather than "Andy did it".

By the way, does anyone know the history behind this Twin
Peaks-influenced Wiseguy arc?  Are some of the Wiseguy
producers/writers buddies with Lynch/Frost et al?  I assume that since
the Wiseguy story was broadcast first that the creators must had
advanced access to the Twin Peaks storyline.

Curious,

--
Mark Vita                                  vita@sunny.dab.ge.com
Advanced Engineering
GE Simulation and Control Systems
Daytona Beach, FL

In article <1990Nov2.055255.4133@wrl.dec.com> reid@decwrl.dec.com (Brian Reid) writes:
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> > 25  25000   619   64%  1762  2932.0     8%  0.13   2.1%  alt.tv.twin-peaks

alt.tv.twin-peaks has fallen behind rec.arts.tv!  It's now only the 23rd most 
prolific group on the net, two slots behind rec.arts.tv.  I wonder why
it's been slowing down?  I guess people finally figured out what 
that magican kid said in French, and what the lyrics to Mairzy Doates are. :)
Approximately 25000 people read alt.tv.twin-peaks according to this list.  
The secret diary of Laura Palmer is the best selling trade paperback in 
the nation right now.  The ratings could be alot better though.
They are revealing who killed Laura during ratings sweeps week.  The 
producers insist that this is a coincidence...  suuuuuuuure.  :)


Michael Kaye   horny@ucscb.ucsc.edu    "BOB needs a human hos...pitality girl"

In article <1990Nov2.171916.21545@csc.ti.com> mccarty@aaet.csc.ti.com (Rick McCarty) writes:
> >Hey, what kind of TP costumes were out and about on Halloween?  In Austin,
> >there's a big to-do on 6th Street each year where thousands get together to
> >display their Halloween creativity.  I only know of one TP costume - someone
> >did Agent Cooper.  The one I expected to see the most was a LP, wrapped in
> >plastic.  But I didn't see one.
> >
Well, I went as Killer Bob, my wife was Ronette Pulaski, and another friend
was LP herself, wrapped in plastic and also with a tiara... we seemed an
appropriate trio of TP characters for Halloween.

But we were at a party, not at 6th Street.  (not to imply that 6th street
wasn't a party...:-)

--Russ

> >Hey, what kind of TP costumes were out and about on Halloween?

I was an owl (the owls are not what they seem). But some people
thought I was a chicken... oh, well.

In article <9011021615.AA06597@gaffa.MIT.EDU> gaffa!jsd (Jon Drukman) writes:
> >There are three different Twin Peaks t-shirts on sale at the local
> >"hip" record store.  One has a sort of woodsy picture with a
> >lumberjack on it.  It says "TWIN PEAKS - Clean air, clean water, clean
> >living."  It's extremely lame.  Another shirt has the picture of Laura

I was at a J.C. Penney's here in southern California and spotted
five different TP t-shirts:  a full-color "welcome to TP" woodsy
scene, a gym shirt (Twin Peaks High School Athletic Dept.), one
with the Log Lady on it, and two RR Diner shirts: one with a cup
of coffee ("a good cup of Joe"), the other with cherry pie.
Dave Suesszeus@aerospace.aero.org

I was a (lame) Leland.

  Sorry to wreck your train theory, but I believe that

Pennsylvania 6-5000 referred to a phone number from the

days when exchanges had names (e.g. PA6-5000 is 726-5000).



-  Doug

timr (Stephen King Hawking) writes:
> >Hawk may or may not have some good medicine working for him, but
> >he's almost certainly a good(TM) guy.  native americans have been
> >given a bad enough rap from hollywood already--i don't think Lynch
> >would unleash a covert Earth First! injun on us...

It seems to me that a "covert EarthFirst!" Indian would be the perfect
embodiment of a "good guy."
-- Steve Carnes carnes@ico.isc.com uucp: {ncar,nbires}!ico!carnes "Time's fun when you're having flies." - fishing tshirt

Or it could be that Cooper spent an evening there (winning $$$ as I recall)
and drew it up from his observations!!!!

In article <2056@maus.Morgan.COM> maus@Morgan.COM (Malcolm Austin) writes:
> >
> >I've seen three films by Lynch: BLUE VELVET, DUNE, and WILD AT HEART.  I
> >didn't have any trouble picking out the bad guys in any of them.  It's
> >
> >Can anyone name a "hidden" villain in any of Lynch's movies?  Even the
> >traitorous Dr. Yueh was swiftly revealed as a baddie to the audience,
> >although the characters themselves did not know.  Similarly with Isabella

Lynch may have directed Dune, but he didn't decide who the villains were.
The villains were decided long ago by Frank Herbert when he wrote the book
Dune on which the movie was based.

Lynch could have some impact on the movie, but Yueh was destined by the
book to be a villain, not by Lynch.

I am not disagreeing with the rest of the post, I haven't seen the other
movies, I just get tired of people posting about Dune and giving the
impression that it was all Lynch's doing. It was mostly Herbert's.
(Except for those damn weirding modules!:))

OK, enough off-topic for now...

Jack Brown 
aka plague@milton.u.washington.edu

In article <13700034@hpscdc.scd.hp.com> bobk@hpscdc.scd.hp.com (Bob Kelley) writes:
$Mike,
$
$You've put your finger on the reason why I like TP so much.
$Even after we've sifted thousands of netnotes of clues, and
$re-watched the tapes a dozen times, these little plot twists
$reveal more depth.
$
$Man behind tree at first Leo-Bobby-Mike meeting:  I don't know
$who he is , but I can rule out some people: He has a left arm so
$he isn't OAM.  He isn't fat, so he isn't Jacques Renault.  He is
$over 5'10", so he isn't Bernie Renault.  The only ones left are
$Jean Renault, a possible bankroller for the drugs, or BOB, or Josie's
$asian co-hort.


Okay you eliminated Jacques, Bernard, OAM, and three of my suspects.
You didn't comment on Ben though.  He seemed to know about the "glue
sniffing squish heads" Leo was dealing with.

Michael Kaye  horny@ucscb.ucsc.edu  "BOB needs a human hos...pitality girl"

In article <13700035@hpscdc.scd.hp.com> bobk@hpscdc.scd.hp.com (Bob Kelley) writes:
> >Two reasons for why James started to sing a song:
> >
> >2. He is trying to emulate his father.  I suspect that James' father will
> >soon come onto the scene.  A recent interview with singer Chris Isaaks of
> >the San Francisco Bay Area said that he was a TP fan and David Lynch
> >was goind to get him into the show -- he had already contributed to 
> >the soundtrack of WIld at Heart and DL would pay him back with a role.
> >I think that Chris will enter the scene as Mr. Hurley!

Real Doubtful. Chris Isaaks is rather young -- and he's very young
looking. (The New Yorker called him a 50's prom dream date or something 
like that...)
-- Jeff Davis davis@keats.ca.uky.edu Nobody knows, from sea to shining sea, why we are having all this trouble with our republic.

I am new to the net but, since I am a Peak-freak, I have fallen in love with
this alt.tv.twin-peaks.  I am still about 300 articles short of finishing the 
current postings; however, several things have already come to mind.
1.  The letter 'B' can be traced to a specific issue of Fleshworld.
    The print and paper may be similar to other magazines, but
    by looking at the other side of the letter it is possible to tell
    it's origin.  For example, perhaps the 'B' had half of a letter 'r'
    and half of a letter 'e' on a blue background in a unique typeface.

2.  My initial feeling is that, after seeing last week's episode,
    the owl that was watching Cooper and Harry before they entered OEJ's    was Hawk.  He seemed to appear out of nowhere later and do you
    recall his conversation with Coop about his animal spirit?

3.  Parenthetical note:  I began looking for symbolism from the first       episode on.  If you have a VCR, go back and watch for the instances
    where a red light is featured. (Stop light, light on Roadhouse, OEJ,    (perhaps even the red lens of Jacoby's glasses), etc.)  To me the 
    color red has been repeated in the clues that have been getting         closer to LP's killer.  Just a thought, let me know what you think.

4.  Also, has everyone forgotten Jacoby?  I missed one episode so I may
    be missing something.

-Kevin

In article <13700035@hpscdc.scd.hp.com> bobk@hpscdc.scd.hp.com (Bob Kelley) writes:
$Two reasons for why James started to sing a song:
$
$1. Early in the shows, he mentions that his father is a musician somewhere
$on the West Coast -- not dead.  His mother sleeps around.
$
$2. He is trying to emulate his father.  I suspect that James' father will
$soon come onto the scene.  A recent interview with singer Chris Isaaks of
$the San Francisco Bay Area said that he was a TP fan and David Lynch
$was goind to get him into the show -- he had already contributed to 
$the soundtrack of WIld at Heart and DL would pay him back with a role.
$I think that Chris will enter the scene as Mr. Hurley!


Really?  He is a fantastic singer!! Check out his song "Wicked Game" on
the Wild at Heart soundtrack  (an excellent soundtrack by the way).

His singing is as wonderful as James' singing is horrible.
If they come out with another Twin Peaks soundtrack, I hope they put
his singing on it...  that and Leland's "mairzy doates" and "get happy". :)
They better leave out "on top of old smokey" and "just you and I" though.


Michael Kaye  horny@ucscb.ucsc.edu

    Well, worrying about Audrey has kept me from sleeping these last couple
of weeks, but I finally dropped off last night.  And sure enough, I had yet
another dream. . . .


" . . . The owl has long been associated with wisdom 
and mysticism, but really it's just a vicious nocturnal 
predator.  In South America, owls are sometimes big, and 
many Peruvian villages bar their windows to prevent small 
children from being snatched from their cradles.
"Deep in the forests of North America, owls sometimes
group into colonies, but they are not what they seem.  Owls
are quite intelligent--for birds--but the research of the late
Mrs. Bundy has shown that their brain pans are too small for
cooperative effort.  Some researchers have cliamed that the nests
of these colonies are arranged in relation to distant stars or
galaxies, but of course, that would be silly. . . ."

-- excerpt from "THE NORTHERN SPOTTED OWL:
THREAT OR MENACE?" lecture series by Dr.
Diane Shapiro, Ph.D. Brandeis University
(underwritten by Packard Pulp Paper, Inc.)

    7:58 A.M., Tuesday.  Sheriff Harry S. Truman parked in front of
the Twin Peaks sheriff's office.  Smoke rose from the ashes of the daily 
bonfire of pink boxes on the front lawn, so he knew Lucy had arrived before 
him, as usual.

    8:01 A.M., Tuesday.  Harry entered the Twin Peaks sheriff's office.
Sure enough, Lucy was there, removing the last of the yellow Post-it's
from the walls, furniture, and potted plants.  She looked depressed.
"'Morning, Lucy," he called.  "What's going on?"

    "Well, first Bilbo had a party.  But he had to leave, and the ring-
wraiths came.  Then they met Tom Bombadil, and ran into Strider in Bree.
He seemed mean at first, but I think he's a good guy, you know?  Then they
went to Rivendell and got to see Bilbo again.  Then they had a big meeting, 
and they decided to go to Mordor.  But on the way, they got lost in these 
caves, and Gandalf disappeared.  I think he's dead.  Poor Frodo!"

    "No, Lucy, what's going on here?"

    "Oh.  Well, first the dinosaurs came.  But they got too big and fat, so
they died.  Then the Arabs came...."

    "No, Lucy, what's going on here recently, locally?"

    "Oh.  Agent Cooper is waiting for you."  She gave the sheriff directions.

    8:01 A.M.  "Oh, hell, my watch stopped," thought Sheriff Truman.  He
walked into the long room at the end of the hall.  The short hall that went 
left, not the long hall to the jail cells.  The room with the long table and 
the blackboard.  Not the locker room.  You know, the room where they question 
people, and where they put Waldo.  And the donuts.  The conference room.

    Cooper slammed down the phone and whirled as Truman entered.  "Harry,
alert the newspapers.  And the dairies.  Looks like we've got ourselves
a missing person."

    "A missing person?  Who is it?"

    "Laura Palmer.  She disappeared yesterday evening, and no one has seen
her since."

    Truman gave Cooper one of his "Tibetan dream" looks.  "But, Cooper, 
Laura's dead."

    Cooper held up his hand.  "I know that, Harry.  That was the cemetary 
that called.  It's a most singular case."  He started pacing the room, looking
down, his hands steepled together.  "Tell me, Harry, when you've eliminated the
impossible, whatever's left, however improbable . . ."  He paused.

    "Must be the truth," Harry concluded reluctantly.

    Cooper grinned.  "Exactly.  So Laura must be . . ."

    Harry looked puzzled.  "A witch?" he suggested.

    "No.  Good thought, though."  Cooper stared excitedly at Harry.  "Don't
you see?  She died from loss of blood, and now this.  She's a vampire.  Start 
whittling, Harry, we're going on a stake-out!"

    As Harry and Cooper started on those hickory stakes, the door opened, and
Albert strode into the conference room, closely followed by Deputy Andy.  Andy
was jumping up and down.  "Ive got it!  I've got it!  Dr. Jacoby did it in the
Gazebo with the candlestick!"

    Albert handed him a card.  "Hah!  Wrong again, you sap!"

    "Ah, shoot!"

    Albert looked disgusted.  "What an embezzle!  What an ultra-maroon!"

    Andy selected a donut, and walked over to the birdcage near the window.
"Harry, hey look!  It's Waldo.  Someone has nailed him to his perch!  Maybe
he's still alive!"

    While Andy tried to get Waldo to swallow some jelly donut, Albert pulled
a file from his briefcase and handed it to Cooper.  "Ignore the boob in the
corner.  I've got something here.  This is a picture of the shed where the
mill fire started."  He pointed to something on the photo.  "You see this 
here?  This is an example of smartness here.  I said it was the quick fuse, 
and it IS the quick fuse."

    Cooper frowned.  "That means the arsonist is . . ."

    ". . . real dumb." He looked at Andy and snorted.  "Like that cuts down 
the suspect list in this evolutionary backwater."  He pulled another manila 
folder from his briefcase.  "I repeated some of the tests that your local Dr. 
Doolittle ran on Laura.  Turns out she was quite a gal.  My findings indi-
cate that, within her last forty-eight hours, she had sex with the entire 
7th Army."

    Truman frowned, "I find that hard to believe."

    "All right, then.  Would you believe two Boy Scouts in a rowboat?"

    "I don't think so."

    "Humph!  Well how about a surly teenager with a really bad attitude?"

    "I don't know . . ."

    "Would you believe she had intimate relations with . . ."

    "A duck!" shouted Cooper.  

    Albert glared at him.  "Stop sniffing the pine needles, pal.  She wasn't 
that kind of girl!"

    "It doesn't matter anyway, Albert.  I've figured it out.  Laura has
become a vampire."

    Albert blinked.  "A vampire.  After one of *my* autopsies?"  He chuckled.
"I don't think so, pal.  Be more like nosferatu pate now."

    "You don't understand.  Her body has disappeared."

    "Yeah, I know.  I told you I didn't have enough time last week."

    Cooper looked disgusted.  "You mean?... you didn't!"

    "Well, I was just going to put her back!"  Albert looked defensive, and put
on his sunglasses.  He pulled a third folder from his briefcase.  "Speaking of
vampires, here's that blood report you wanted."  He snapped the briefcase shut.

    Cooper slammed the table.  "Damn!  That was my best theory yet!"  He opened
the report Albert handed him.  "Look at this, Harry.  This is a report on the
blood Hawk found on Ronette's dress.  A very rare blood type.  Not Laura's, 
Ronette's, Jacques's, Leo's, Donna's, James's, Albert's or Waldo's."  He 
looked up.  "AB negative."

    Andy looked around startled.  "But *I'm* AB negative."

    Harry frowned.  "So am I.  And wasn't Jacques AB negative?"

    Andy looked through the papers on tha table.  "Says here that Leo was too!"

    Cooper held up his hand, "Harry, put all of that out of your mind.  I'm 
talking about a different kind of AB negative."

    The door opened again.  Hawk and Big Ed entered, carrying a large box.
They put the box down of the table, scattering files and papers out of the
way.  Big Ed looked around the room and spotted Albert.  Deliberately he bent
over the end of the table, and spat on its polished surface.  Albert bristled,
but Cooper held him back.  "Calm down, Albert.  That was a token of respect."

    Albert continued to glare.  "Was is this guy doing here anyway?  He's no 
cop."

    Andy answered, "Oh, Ed's is part of our club.  The Knights Who Say... aw,
shoot, what was it, Harry?"

    Truman shook his head.  "No longer.  Now we're the Bookhouse Boys.  
Remember we changed our name after no one could get that Douglas fir down
with that herring Pete caught."

    Cooper snapped his fingers, "It was a red herring, wasn't it?"

    Truman shrugged.  "Well, sure.  They're all over the place here.  I think
they spawn in the lake."

    Albert turned to Truman.  "So, what are these--what did you call them--
"Bookhouse Boys"?  Some kind remedial literacy program for the rural dyslexic?"

    Truman sighed.  "No, it's nothing like that.  You see, there's a darkness
in the woods, a presence.  It takes on many forms.  This tree, that rock.
It binds the forest together."

    "Yeah.  Well, pal, there's a darkness in your head.  I've been from one end
of this planet to the other.  I've seen a lot of weird shit.  But I haven't 
seen anything to make me believe that there's some sort of mystical force 
controling things.  It's all just sloppy field work, and yokum hocum."  He 
sneered.  "And you call yourself a scientist!  I'm leaving in disgust."  And
he did.

    Ed turned to Truman.  "Harry, I gotta leave now.  I have to go to the
hospital."

    "The hospital?  What is it?"

    "It's a big building with patients.  But that's not important right now.
Nadine's in a coma.  She drank something blue.  The doctors say it was some
sort of worm juice."

    "OK.  You just take care."  Ed left the room.  Truman gestured towards
the large box on the table.  "What's in the large box on the table?" he
asked.

    Hawk opened the box, and hoisted out a SUN Workstation.  Styrofoam spilled
everywhere.  "We found this a spare room in Jacques's cabin.  Thought it might
be important."

    "Well, let's plug it in, and see what we've got."

    [Insert your own humourous system admin problems.  Two days pass.]

    Lucy tapped away at the keyboard, "aided" by Andy, who wouldn't let anyone
else use the mouse.  Suddenly there was a flash of light, and the screen filled
with characters.  "Harry!" shouted Andy.  "Come look!"

    Sheriff Truman and Agent Cooper re-entered the room, holding coffee and
donuts.  "Whuff iff iff, Nnndy?" asked Truman.  He swallowed, and tried again.
"What is it, Andy?"

    Agent Cooper shoved Lucy aside and started typing.  Lucy got up sulking
and left to call Ann again.  Men!  "I've seen this before, Harry," said Cooper.
"Watch."

    Truman peered at the garishly colored screen.  "347 unread articles.  What
does that mean?"

    Cooper grinned back.  "This is it, Harry.  This is where my dreams are
coming from.  Look!  There's alt.giant, and there's alt.frawdgniklat.  Ooo, 
let's check out alt.sex.pictures!"

    Andy pointed at the screen.  "Why, that's Ronette Pulaski!  And there's
Leo's truck!  And over here!  'alt.tv.twin-peaks'!  Harry, that's us!"

    Cooper turned to the sheriff and grinned wickedly.  "Let's look inside."  
He then turned back to the keyboard.

    Sheriff Truman shrugged.  "Sure.  Why not?  It might save some time."
The three officers peered at the screen.  "There sure is a lot of stuff
here.  This could take weeks!  What's this diary everyone keeps mentioning?"

    "I don't know.  Let's swing by B. Dalton during lunch."

    "What?!  Gee, I didn't know Lucy was pregnant!  Way to go, Andy!"

    Andy just looked glum.  Suddenly he stared at the screen, his face turning
white.  He pointed excitedly at the screen.  "H-H-Harry!  They're saying that 
I did it!  That I killed Laura Palmer."

    Cooper put a reassuring arm on his shoulder.  "Now calm down, Andy.  We
all know that's ridiculous."  He turned back to the screen.  "Hmm, they do 
have some good points, though.  Why were you late that morning, Andy?"

    Andy looked around wildly.  "Harry!"

    Harry grinned.  "'Cuff him, Coop!  We've got our man.  Andy, you have the 
right to remain silent . . ."
-- =============================================================================== Malcolm Austin -- maus@morgan.com #include "disclaimer.h"

In article <BLK.90Nov1131830@vanity.mitre.org> blk@mitre.org (Brian L. Kahn) writes:
> >
> >Twin Peaks is a city, right?  Incorporated and all that?  I don't know
> >about Washington state, but I thought the general naming convention
> >was SHERIFF and DEPUTYs work for the county, cities have CHIEF or
> >CAPTAIN and OFFICERs.  Hey, maybe the county handles all the Bizarre
> >and Brutal Slayings, and the team we see all the time is the BBS squad.

But that wouldn't make any difference.  The Sheriff's office, a county
facility, could just happen to be located in a city.  Where's the
problem?  In fact, if the Sheriff's office is in TP, and considering
the overwhelming population, maybe TP is the county seat.  What's to
say it's not a city?


      >> Bill Sherman sherman@math.ucla.edu <<
"The equality pi3(S2)=pi3(S3) ... was one of the main sensations of the early
thirties."  _Homotopic Topology_, by Fomenko, Fuchs and Gutenmacher; p. 68

In article <jgp.657498075@rutabaga> jgp@rutabaga.Rational.COM (Jim Pellmann) writes:
> >Transcript of Twin Peaks 900 number message (900-860-0911) for episode #12 
> >(recording of 10/28/90):
> >       
> >       Although thanks to Jean Renault, good
> >       'ole Blackie has bought the farm, instead of the casino.  How we 
> >       will miss her!

Maybe you meant "good ol' Blackie".  Since "'ole" sounds like a Cockney
dropping of the 'h', "good 'ole Blackie" sounds like a particularly
heinous name for a woman involved in the prostitution business.

Sorry about that nasty observation, but I couldn't pass it up.


      >> Bill Sherman sherman@math.ucla.edu <<
"The equality pi3(S2)=pi3(S3) ... was one of the main sensations of the early
thirties."  _Homotopic Topology_, by Fomenko, Fuchs and Gutenmacher; p. 68

By now everyone will probably have seen the 11/3 episode.  The teaser for
it has a neat shot of a crew cut gentleman wearing an earphone, saying
something like "bingo!  Paydirt."  (I forget the exact words.)  The voice
sounds to me like it's Cooper's boss.  My wife thinks the fellow is
David Lynch.  Is Lynch going to play Cooper's boss?

Mojo

-- mojo@netcom.UUCP Site Coordinating Instructor, San Jose South Morris "Mojo" Jones Skilled Motorcycling And Rider Training (S.M.A.R.T.) Campbell, CA 800-675-5559 ... 800-CC-RIDER

In article <43993@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> v075nkds@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
> >If Sara was the source/inspiration for the sketch of BOB, which
> >is rendered by Hawk from her dream/vision, why isn't Leland
> >aware of this? It seems to me that she would certainly tell her
> >husband about her vision and he would certainly want to see the
> >drawing of his daughter's killer. Why then is the first sight he 
> >has of the sketch later with the OAM? Also, if the sketch was 
> >drawn before the murder of Jacques, why then did Leland kill
> >Jacques? If he saw the sketch, he would know BOB was the killer!

My impression was that when Sarah was telling
Andy and Harry about BOB, Leland was ridiculing her supposedly psychic
vision.  So perhaps he didn't think that the vision would have any
connection to reality (such as it is), so he didn't look at it.
Also,  hsaw the sketch when he was in Ben's office, and the OAM
was nowhere around.

Andy did the sketch; Hawk was upstairs with Leland, searching Laura's
room.

Another far-fetched explanation (which might sit well with those who
believe that Leland was molested in childhood) is that it took Leland
a few days before a repressed memory of BOB could surface.  When he
said, "I know that man!" it was far from casual.


      >> Bill Sherman sherman@math.ucla.edu <<
"The equality pi3(S2)=pi3(S3) ... was one of the main sensations of the early
thirties."  _Homotopic Topology_, by Fomenko, Fuchs and Gutenmacher; p. 68

lmolpus@bangkok.UUCP (Lane Molpus) writes:
> >
> >Andy failed to dial the Area Code (206) when he tried to phone Lucy
> >at her sister's.  206 is the Area Code for Tacoma; it it *not* the
> >Area Code for the part of Washington where Twin Peaks exists.
> >
> >He got the Abortion clinic by mistake.

206 is the area code for western Washington.  Twin Peaks is
generally placed in the western part of the state (despite the "5 miles
west of the border" line in the pilot), where Snoqualmie is.  I would say
that 206 IS the right area code, at least in TV land.

-- Tim Shippert shippert@tybalt.caltech.edu "Fer cryin' out loud...Research physicists need porches too!!!" -Dr. Opus Spock

In article <114030012@hpcuhd.HP.COM>, grega@hpcuhd.HP.COM (Number 6) writes:
> > From: grega@hpcuhd.HP.COM (Number 6)
> > Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
> >
Subject: Re: request for info: where is it??
> > 
> > glad@csli.Stanford.EDU (Clayton Glad):
> > 
>> > >Can anyone summarize the various clues to locale that have appeared?
> > 
> > That's easy.  In Cooper's first dictation to Diane, driving into town,
> > he indicates that Twin Peaks is X miles east of the state border,
> > Y miles south of the Canadian border.  Someone who still has these things
> > on tape can supply values for X and Y, but his speech places TP firmly
> > in the North-Western corner of the state.  
> > 
> > Interestingly, last year's murder was in a different corner of the state.

I recall him saying it was 2 hours east of Spokane on HWY 2 - except that
HWY 2 does NOT go due east, and I'm not convinced it even passes thru Spokane.
However, there IS a highway which goes due east from Spokane, and 2 hours
takes you to St Regis, which is in Montana.

If HWY 2 is actually the one going north from Spokane then two hours will
take you to Canada.  Or almost, if you obey the 55mph limit.

However, the climate in that area is NOTHING like the Twin Peaks climate.
It's still deserty and cold and not a lot of rainfall.

Also the indians in that area are not the same ones described in an earlier
thread.

Hutch

mccarty@aaet.csc.ti.com (Rick McCarty) writes:
> >What TP costumes did others encounter/wear?

My wife and I held a Twin Peaks Halloween party on the 27th.  We had a
great time, and a fair turnout.  We had a couple of Agent Coopers, a very
good log lady, some excellent Sheriff Trumans, a Jacques Renault, a Blackie,
an Audrey, a Jean Renault ... you get the picture.  My wife was Laura Palmer,
wearing white makeup, a blonde wig, and wrapped in plastic (over sweats).
I did Dr. Jacoby, with red and blue glasses, a hawaiian shirt, and a
coconut.

Downstairs we had the RR diner, with a huge pot of coffee (DAMN fine coffee!),
lots of cherry, apple, and strawberry pie, a table with four dozen donuts
stacked in rows of two high.  Above the donuts we had a bird with red
frosting (blood) dripping down on to the donuts.

Upstairs we set up a casino, and my wife made a sign from a Jack of Spades,
(a one-eyed jack).  We had a blackjack table and a craps table, and handed
out chips.

Outside we made a lovely replica of the "WELCOME to TWIN PEAKS Population
51,201" sign.  On the stereo naturally we had the Twin Peaks music CD.
The mirror of the bathroom said "FIRE, WALK WITH ME" written in red lipstick.

All in all I think it worked very well.

Mojo

-- mojo@netcom.UUCP Site Coordinating Instructor, San Jose South Morris "Mojo" Jones Skilled Motorcycling And Rider Training (S.M.A.R.T.) Campbell, CA 800-675-5559 ... 800-CC-RIDER

Re: Harold's fun with the hand rake.

Yes, it was a cheesy special effect.  It was supposed to be shocking
without violating network standards and practices.  If it had been 
realistic (with torn flesh, spurting arteries, etc.) it would not
have made the cut (:-))

Don't forget that despite what we do, these shows are meant to be
seen once.  In TV, and any other dramatic entertainment for that matter,
it is not necessary to create reality, but a suggestion of reality; people's
minds are left to fill in the blanks.  If people came away from viewing 
that scene with the idea that "Harold just raked his face", then the
director has been successful.  I'd claim that most viewers believe 
just that.  We will expect to see Harold with a bandage in the near
future, and perhaps scars thereafter.
--
 Daniel Pearl      Concurrent Computer Corporation, Westford, Massachusetts USA
(508) 392-2478danny@westford.ccur.com

While my friend Steve was flipping channels he said "check this out".
It was Clayton Williams, the republican governor candidate for Texas,
ballroom dancing to rock music with his wife during a campaign stop
on CSPAN.  Really weird.  We were laughing for a little while at this,
when they seperated and did a little jig on their own.  The
wife did the Leland dance...  I couldn't believe it.  She was
laughing and putting her hands on her head like Leland did.
No question in either of our minds that she is a TP fan. :)

If I was married to a guy who said "might as well just sit
back and enjoy it" I'd be doing the Leland dance too.

Michael Kaye   horny@ucscb.ucsc.edu  "BOB needs a human host for his gameshow"

One thought is that the letters were cut from the cover of a
Fleshworld magazine.  That paper is thicker, probably plastic-coated,
and would be more easily inserted and removed from a fingernail
without disintegrating.

This assumes small print on either the back cover or the inside
of the front or back cover, which is not an unreasonable assumption.

In article <626@kaos.MATH.UCLA.EDU> sam@math.ucla.edu (Sam Needham) writes:
> >In article <1991@maus.Morgan.COM> maus@Morgan.COM (Malcolm Austin) writes:
[On Twin Peaks...]
>> >>As someone else posted, Cooper just knows when to break the rules.  The guy 
>> >>who controls Cooper's funds also knows when to bend the rules.  I'll stake 
>> >>anyone who can consistantly get 10 cents on the dollar playing Blackjack 
>> >>anytime he wants.
>> >>Who shot Cooper?  The pit boss from One Eyed Jacks--Dale was lucky to leave
>> >>the casino alive, hitting on 18.
> >
> >He hit on a 19, and in a way that proved he wasn't counting cards - if he was,
> >he would have been afraid of getting Jacques' hole card, a king. Maybe he
> >had a mirror? 

Jacques had a ten showing, and Cooper had seventeen showing with a 2 face
down (because of the odd way they deal cards at OEJ) and so Jacques asked
him if he was *sure* he wanted another card. Cooper responds in the
affirmative, hitting on a 19 and drawing a 2 (of course). Cooper gives
Jacques a $1000 chip as a tip. Cooper later asks Jacques how long he's been
dealing and Jacques says something like "Long enough to spot a card
counter." Cooper asks to see the $1000 chip and Jacques never asks
to have it back. Duh. Cooper pointed out in another context that
Jacques is stupid.

As a card counter, *I* can say that Cooper was probably not counting
cards - he's just being cocky. However, if the deck were down to the
last card, Cooper could know that a face card and a two were the
dealer's hole card and the last card (not necessarily in that order).
Given this, it's interesting to note that hitting and standing would
have the same chance of winning: 50-50. If he is a card counter, then
he is *awfully* cocky to hit in this situation. [Note: Jacques' was
holding about a deck of cards in his hand, but that's because the
discards are placed face up at the bottom of the deck.]

Of course, if he spotted Jacques' hole card or read Jacques' expression as
he peeked for blackjack (spooking or front-loading), then hitting on 19 was
the proper play, so long as you don't fear getting some "heat" from the
casino. A very sophisticated shuffle-tracker could also in theory know
the exact value of the next card.

> >As many books on card-counting point out, no one can expect a consistent
> >profit counting for the simple reason that if the house can't beat you
> >( or cheat you! ) they'll bar you. If that is true in well-regulated places
> >like Vegas, imagine OEJ's...

Eh? There exist professional card counters. You cannot be barred in
Atlantic City (granted, the blackjack games there are poor). Even in
Nevada, plenty of card counters play for a long time without ever
getting barred. You just can't be too greedy or too cocky. Many books
have suggestions for how to avoid getting barred (e.g., Ian Anderson's
"Turning the Tables on Las Vegas").

It is not illegal to card count, but it is illegal in Nevada to return
to a casino from which you have been barred.

--
Michael R. Hall               |   Shuffle-trackers do it with determinism.
{rutgers!} bcr!nvuxh!hall     | DDDEECCCEFBBBFFAAA    ECC|BBB|AAA|BBF|DDD|AAA
hall@ishmael.leis.bellcore.com| DDDEECCCEFBBBFFAAA -> FFF|DDD|CEE|EEE|FFB|CCC

In article <1990Nov2.194257.13017@ico.isc.com> carnes@ico.ISC.COM (Steve Carnes) writes:
> >
> >timr (Stephen King Hawking) writes:
>> >>Hawk may or may not have some good medicine working for him, but
>> >>he's almost certainly a good(TM) guy.  native americans have been
>> >>given a bad enough rap from hollywood already--i don't think Lynch
>> >>would unleash a covert Earth First! injun on us...
> >
> >It seems to me that a "covert EarthFirst!" Indian would be the perfect
> >embodiment of a "good guy."

No way!!  I agree with the original poster %100.  Earth first is
full of nuts.  This is the group that suggested that terminally ill
people might help the environment by tying explosives to themselves
and sabotaging hydro-electric dams.  They've also spiked trees
leading to the disfigurment and maiming of several loggers.
Tim is in Santa Cruz, we've had first hand experience with their antics.
(they are popularly associated with the sabotaging of power lines here)

I'd characterize them as eco-terrorist pinheads, who do more harm than
good.

Did anyone notice Hawk's blue earring?  Was he wearing one before last season?

Michael Kaye  horny@ucscb.ucsc.edu

In article <1990Nov2.194257.13017@ico.isc.com> carnes@ico.ISC.COM (Steve Carnes) writes:
> >
> >timr (Stephen King Hawking) writes:
> >embodiment of a "good guy."
> >-- 
> >Steve Carnes       carnes@ico.isc.com        uucp: {ncar,nbires}!ico!carnes

Please, let's not get into this sort of discussion.  Twin Peaks is not the
real world, let's keep the real world out of this, ok?

Please?

Jack Brown
aka plague@milton.u.washington.edu

In article <43993@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU>, v075nkds@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Julie A Moran) writes:
|> Here's a possible discontinuity, but I may have missed something, 

I'm getting very annoyed at the rate where the word "discontinuity" is
being thrown around.  True, the show is made by human beings and we have
a thousand-odd folks watching it six times in slow motion frame-by-frame,
so naturally some minor screwups will be found.  But 99% of the time
(and this goes for anyone, I'm not picking on Julie here) there was
no discontinuity or error at all, you simply missed something, or
there's a way to interpret what you saw that makes perfect sense.

> > If Sara was the source/inspiration for the sketch of BOB, which
> > is rendered by Hawk from her dream/vision, why isn't Leland
> > aware of this? It seems to me that she would certainly tell her
> > husband about her vision and he would certainly want to see the
> > drawing of his daughter's killer.

I seriously doubt it.  At the time, Leland was completely flipped,
and Sara only knows that she's had a vision, not that the man in her
vision is the killer.  Sarah never says "I know who Laura's killer
is, I saw him in my vision".

> >Why then is the first sight he 
> > has of the sketch later with the OAM? Also, if the sketch was 
> > drawn before the murder of Jacques, why then did Leland kill
> > Jacques? If he saw the sketch, he would know BOB was the killer!

You're assuming a lot here -- for one thing, that Sarah knows who the
kill is, two, that Leland believes her and places more weight on that
than that the sheriff and Truman have arrested a suspect, etc, etc.

SARAH doesn't know that BOB is the killer.

--
Joe Buck
jbuck@galileo.berkeley.edu {uunet,ucbvax}!galileo.berkeley.edu!jbuck

 timr@sco.COM (Bad Hurts Value) writes:


*some native americans reveal almost all O (europeans typically run
*40-50% O, 30-40% A, 8-12% B, and 1-6% AB) with B nearly absent.
*other agglutinators (M, Duffy, Diego, Kidd) are common to natives
*but not to europeans.

Okay, I just have to mention here that one reason A and AB types
are more common in Europeans *may* be that they provide some protection
against--

[dramatic music]

the BLACK PLAGUE!!


Totally irrelevant, I know.

Jespah, The Bandwidth Waster

*Another Trek connection besides Carel Struckyen(sp?)--Ray Wise (Leland) was in
*"Who Watches The Watchers?".  He played a widower in some primitive culture who
*came to believe that Capt. Picard was a god. He then wanted Picard to bring his
*wife back from the dead. I almost didn't recognize him until he started crying!
*
*--Michelle

Also, on some Trek episode that I forget the name of, Madchen Amick (Shelly) 
played a seemingly normal person who in the blink of an eye could transform
into a 7-foot-tall snarling fanged furry Wookie-thing, sort of a Bigfoot-BOB. 

Wouldn't Bobby be surprised!

Jespah

kevin@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Kevin Schraith) writes:

*    The other day in my film class I saw the 1950 Akira Kurosawa classic
*"Rashomon".  The story revolves around the rape of a woman and the murder of
*her husband by a bandit.  Instead of showing the actual crime, the movie
*reenacts the crime from the descriptions given by the bandit, the woman, the
*dead husband (through a medium), and the person who found the body.  
*
*    Now for the interesting parallels.  The crime was committed in the
*woods, and the body of the man was found by a woodcutter (=Pete).  The
*bandit's name is Tajomaru (=Tojamura, the Asian Guy).  The movie is based
*upon how very different the descriptions of the crime were, based upon the
*same incident.  The descriptions even vary in the point of who actually
*killed the man.  The supernatural slant of twin peaks is evident in the

When I first saw Rashomon, I had heard in advance about how the movie
shows how everybody's descriptions differ.  But the fascinating thing
to me, and the thing people rarely mention, was that every eyewitness
not only told a different version of the crime, but CLAIMED TO BE THE
KILLER!  Finally, when the dead man's spirit is contacted, he says he
committed suicide -- i.e. that he was the killer!  So for some weird
reason, every person there wanted to get the credit/blame for the murder.

I think that's a really neat bit of psychology.  It happens in real life,
too -- often when there are notorious unsolved murders, miscellaneous
nutcases will turn themselves in to the police, claiming to be the
murderer.

I can see this happening in TP, with Leland especially.  I can see him
running up to Cooper saying "All right!  I confess!  I did it!  I killed
my little girl!" when actually he didn't kill her at all  (though I
think he may have.  Leland & Harold are my two best bets...)

It's all like some weird Ruth Rendell novel...she writes these alarming
crime stories in which, often, the crime never gets solved, or, worse,
the police THINK they've solved it but they haven't really -- only the
reader knows what's really happened!  Her depictions of the twisted
logic of nutso murderers are really creepy, too.  Very Lynch-y.

Jespah

boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy).
> >Secondly, the shot of the gun was *not* of the gun that shot Cooper. It
> >was from the scene where Jean Renault pulls a gun and shoots Battis.

How sure are you that that's not the gun that shot Cooper? :)
Seriously, considering that Renault wants Cooper dead (he claims it's
because of Jacques' death, but that doesn't ring true to me), and
considering that the gun that shot Cooper was silenced, as is
Renault's, I think Renault was the gunman.

In fact, I'm wondering if Renault is Cooper's ex-partner,
faking a french accent--after all, he and Cooper haven't met face-
to-face yet.  But I doubt it, actually, because he expected Ben
Horne to recognize him when he presented the ransom demand.

-- Evan A.C. Hunt evanh@sco.COMThe Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. uunet!sco!evanh (408) 425-7222 evanh%sco.COM@ucscc.ucsc.EDU

In article <12858@chaph.usc.edu> vravikum@aludra.usc.edu (Vipperla RaviKumar) writes:
> >
> >I don't think James followed Donna and Maddy.  Because
> >TV times of LA times gives a summary of NOV 3 episode as
> >
> >"Donna and Maddy are at Harold's mercy".

Of course James followed Donna and Maddy - you see him follow
Maddy out of the double-r diner.  He's going to pop into
Harold's at just the right moment to save the day...

This parallels Hawk's following Cooper and Truman to one-eyed
jack's.  Maybe we've just been watching twin peaks too much,
but we guessed right away (from the look Hawk gives Harry
when Harry says "goodnight") that Hawk was going to follow
Cooper and Harry to OEJ's and save their, uh, hides.

As long as I've started patting myself on the back, it was just
as obvious to us last season that Andy was going to redeem himself
by shooting some bad guy at the right time.  I couldn't believe
the idiot who claimed Andy's improved shooting was a clue that
he killed Laura.

- Steve

-- ============================================================================ Steve Phillips "Never put off until tomorrow what Tegra-Varityper, Inc., Billerica, MA you can do the day after tomorrow" tegra!phillips@uunet.com - Mark Twain

In article <13700034@hpscdc.scd.hp.com> bobk@hpscdc.scd.hp.com (Bob Kelley) writes:
> >Man behind tree at first Leo-Bobby-Mike meeting:  I don't know
> >who he is , but I can rule out some people: He has a left arm so
> >he isn't OAM.  He isn't fat, so he isn't Jacques Renault.  He is
> >over 5'10", so he isn't Bernie Renault.  The only ones left are
> >Jean Renault, a possible bankroller for the drugs, or BOB, or Josie's
> >asian co-hort.

My theory: the man behind the tree is the same man who hit Dr.
Jacoby over the head and shot Cooper.  All three men were wearing
the same outfit: overcoat, black gloves, ski mask.

As long as I'm wasting net bandwidth, I'll take a shot at another
frequently-asked question.  In Cooper's dream, Mike's tattoo said
"Fire, Walk with Me."  In his hotel room, Mike told Cooper his
tattoo said "Bob" (or "Mom," depending on your interpretation).

I have listened to that scene many times, and I am convinced
that Mike said "Bob," not "Mom."  Remember, he had just said
before that, "Bob Lydecker's just about my best friend in the
world," so he has a plausible reason to have a "Bob" tattoo.

And no, Andy did not do it... :^)

-- ============================================================================ Steve Phillips "Never put off until tomorrow what Tegra-Varityper, Inc., Billerica, MA you can do the day after tomorrow" tegra!phillips@uunet.com - Mark Twain

c2h5oh@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Idealistic Bibliomystic).
> >I'm surprised that no one else seems to have heard "Adam's Abortion
> >Clinic". Seemed quite clear to my fiance and I.

No, sweetie, that's not what I thought it was.  I thought it
was "Adams Abortion Clinic," without the apostrophe.

All together now:

Ba da da DUMP <snap snap>, ba da da DUMP <snap snap>, ba da da
DUMP, ba da da DUMP, ba da da DUMP <snap snap>... "They're creepy and
they're spooky" etcetera etcetera.

-- Evan A.C. Hunt evanh@sco.COMThe Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. uunet!sco!evanh (408) 425-7222 evanh%sco.COM@ucscc.ucsc.EDU