Season 1, Episode 05: Cooper's Dreams — May 10–16, 1990

In article <837@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU>, bgingric@intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU
(Barry Gingrich) writes:
> > 7)  Leland's dancing was rather scary.  This guy is hurtin' bad.  I have
> >     to admit, though, I thought that Katherine and him dancing together
> >     was funny.  Katherine holding her head and making his torment part
> >     of the dance was hilarious...until I thought about it.  I felt guilty.
> >     And kinda sad.  Obviously, so did Audrey.

My take was that Audrey was crying because her attempt to mess things up by
putting the record on in the first place (who else do you think would have done
that, deliberately putting on a big band record with Leland standing around in
his upset state?) was flustered by Catherine's invention of the new dance,
the Richard Lewis. :-)  THAT sounds a lot more than Audreyesque to me.

> > 11) I don't think Shelley killed Leo.  I thought I heard the door open after
> >     she shot.  Also, she hid her face immediately, so she didn't see what
> >     she had done, either.  Think Leo's pissed?  Who, Leo?  That big pussycat?
> >     Shelley's in a heap o' trouble.
> > 
> > ...and, lastly, a maybe spoiler from next week's preview:

You should have watched that preview a little more closely.  Leo was in it,
therefore (I suppose) he wasn't killed (though with this show you never know,
it's hard to tell a possible continuity error from time travel :-) .

BTW, what is Bobby saying at the end of his spiel to Jacoby, that Laura got him
to "sell drugs so she could have [them]..."??  The end was garbled to me.
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In article <628@celia.UUCP> celia!larry@tis.llnl.gov (Larry Weinberg) writes:
> >In article <54513@microsoft.UUCP> jonn@microsoft.UUCP (Jon NEWMAN) writes:

> >I've been following similar thought about "Good" Ol Doc Hayward.

> >What really makes me think he knows something is that he made a point
> >about being the Doctor who delivered Laura Palmer.
> >Now, if there's some switcheroo with Laura and Maddy, I find it hard
> >to believe that they could be  just cousins.  I find it more likely
> >that they are actually twin sisters who were seperated at birth.

> >The Doc who delivered them would know this.

> >How this was hidden from the rest of the family is beyond me.
> >(Maybe it wasn't)

> >larry

So, it follows, that if Maddie and Laura are twins, and Doc Hayward was the
attending physician, and he knew about the seperation (which whole premise is
absolutely absurd!) then he wouldn't have been so quick to exclaim: "Laura!"
when the body was discovered, and her face revealed.

If the premise were the actual case, then Doc Hayward would have made more
extensive tests to find out which twin was the actual murder victim.  He would
ASSUME, at first that it was Laura, since Maddie lived out of town, but he
WOULD have made tests to be sure.

And this blows the whole theory that they didn't check the identity of Laura
too closely because they all assumed it HAD to be Laura.  Doc Hayward would
have had some nagging doubt, since he knew Laura had a twin.

Sure, the show is called TWIN PEAKS, and there are a lot of dualities, but
you're taking it too far if you suspect Maddie and Laura changed places.
-- "And remember, Evil will always prevail because Good is dumb!" - Dark Helmet "Smoke 'em if ya got 'em." - Dark Helmet / Elliot Ness / Colonel Hogan / Judge Harry Stone / Christine Sullivan, public defender.

I saw ``Laura'', the Otto Preminger film that Twin Peaks refers to,
recently.  Here's some of the references:

The killer in ``Laura'' is Waldo Lydecker -- Cooper says ``The bird who
killed Laura Palmer is a client of this clinic.''   The bird turns out
to be named Waldo, the clinic Lydecker.

The detective in ``Laura'' finds and reads Laura's diary; her maid is
terribly upset by this invasion of her privacy; remember Truman's
surprise that Cooper would just break open the diary?

There's a reference to ``documentary proof of his dreams'' in ``Laura'';
funny, considering we saw one of Cooper's dreams.

Laura's lover is seeing other women, like Bobby.

The detective falls in love with the real (he thinks dead) Laura.  He
falls asleep in her apartment.  When she turns up, he at first thinks
he's still dreaming.  Cooper saw Laura in a dream.  We still haven't
seen Cooper's reaction to Maddie; should be interesting.

Other observations; maybe clues in Twin Peaks:

In ``Laura'' the dead woman is not related to the real Laura; she's in
Laura's apartment with their common lover (played by a suave young
Vincent Price), and when she answers the door the killer shoots her
close up with a shotgun in the dark, not recognizing her.  Her mangled
body is identified incorrectly by the maid.  But the police later figure
out who she really was.  There's none of the identical cousin stuff from
``Twin Peaks''.

In ``Laura'' the first person the detective encounters is Waldo
Lydecker, just as Cooper encountered Truman first.  I consider this
something of a clue, pointing towards Truman's (and Josie`s) involvement
in Laura Palmer's murder.  Lydecker travels around with the detective;
he's a suspect, but the detective lets him come along to observe him.

The killer in ``Laura'' is Laura`s mentor, who helps her succeed in
advertising.  He's jealous of her plans to marry her lover.  He hides
the shotgun in a large clock he gave her that's in her apartment.

There are some interesting similarities between the detective in
``Laura'' and Cooper.  Both have that heavily greased hair that was so
obvious when Cooper called Truman after his dream.  The detective plays
a handheld ``put the balls in the holes'' baseball game, in order to
make the killer nervous.  Reminds me of Cooper`s odd, obsessive
behavior.  Does he suspect Truman, and is he trying to get him to let
his guard down?

-- J

Excerpts from netnews.alt.tv.twin-peaks: 9-May-90 Re: Quotes Malachi O.
Kelerison@paw (874)

> > Actually I double checked, the quote is:
> >    "The bird that killed Laura Palmer is a client of this office."

Unfortunately, you didn't triple-check, in which case you would have posted,

"The bird that *attacked* Laura Palmer is a client of this office."

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In article <11231@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
> >In article <VD5#-0#@rpi.edu>, mok@pawl.rpi.edu (Malachi Orion Kelerison) writes...
> >
> >} "Confiscate their files. The bird that killed Laura Palmer is a client
> >} of theirs."
> >
> >I'd have to check, but I'd be surprised if Coop said, "The bird that
> >killed Laura Palmer...". I think she her death was caused by something
> >a lot more serious than a bird-beak.
The TP coroner's report clearly said that LP died from loss of
blood due to multiple, shallow wounds.  Waldo of Lydecker's did it.

"Who's the lady with the log?"  
"We call her the Log Lady."
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Excerpts from netnews.alt.tv.twin-peaks: 9-May-90 Re: Brandeis line by
Hawk Tom Neff@bfmny0.UU.NET (713)

> > I would expect that the producers and/or the network Standards &
> > Practices people would in fact call up Brandeis themselves and make sure
> > there WASN'T any such person.

Brandeis is a largely Jewish school.  You can *bet* that there have been
at least a couple "Diane Shapiro"s there in the last decade or so.

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In article <15470@bfmny0.UU.NET> tneff@bfmny0.UU.NET (Tom Neff) writes:

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   Date: 9 May 90 05:42:01 GMT
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   Also -- if you think this isn't a yuppie fad -- I was walking home from
   the church last night and these three "suits" strolled by on their way
   to some UES meat market/watering hole or other; overheard them saying
   "Can you believe what I did last week -- forget to tape Twin Peaks"
   and the other two go "DAMN! you idiot" so he says "well I did watch it
   though..." and on into the night.  Seniors may be tuning out, but
   thirtysomethings are glued to the set.

I had a similar experience here at MCC yesterday.  We had a press
event covering some CAD work we're doing--ten or so editors from the
national electronics media.  At lunch, I brought a slice of dark fruit
pie.  The editor sitting across from me, a rather staid gentleman, saw
the pie, asked if it were "huckelberry," and then suggested we get a
glass of wine.  I expected him to compliment our coffee next.  He,
too, is a TP fan.


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In article <EaGL2r_00juk0oh1BW@cs.cmu.edu> Jon.Webb@CS.CMU.EDU writes:
> >I saw ``Laura'', the Otto Preminger film that Twin Peaks refers to,
> >recently.
Increasingly it seems that _Laura_ is the primary referent
movie here.  Other theories have suggested Vertigo, Zardoz (sp?)
and Blue Velvet (for obvious reasons).  But only _Laura_ is
referred to by clearly constructed concrete references, esp.:

> >The killer in ``Laura'' is Waldo Lydecker -- Cooper says ``The bird who
> >killed Laura Palmer is a client of this clinic.''   The bird turns out
> >to be named Waldo, the clinic Lydecker.

Some thoughts suggested by this:
> >The detective falls in love with the real (he thinks dead) Laura.  
Just like Vertigo, but perhaps the device is re-used for its
effectiveness, rather than direct allusion.  

> >he's still dreaming.  Cooper saw Laura in a dream.  We still haven't
> >seen Cooper's reaction to Maddie; should be interesting.
I bet Maddie becomes the reason Cooper finally settles in
Twin Peaks (apart from the coffee and the doug firs).

> >The killer in ``Laura'' is Laura`s mentor, who helps her succeed in
> >advertising.  He's jealous of her plans to marry her lover.  He hides
> >the shotgun in a large clock he gave her that's in her apartment.
Remember the heavy handed shots of the grandfather clock in
the Hayward's house (first 9 pm, the midnight -- time flies
as Donna and James gaze into each other's eyes)?  'Bout the
right size for a shotgun (or some twine?)?

> >Other observations; maybe clues in Twin Peaks:
> >In ``Laura'' the dead woman is not related to the real Laura; she's in
> >Laura's apartment with their common lover (played by a suave young
> >Vincent Price), and when she answers the door the killer shoots her
> >close up with a shotgun in the dark, not recognizing her.  

And now another installment from the University of Rochester
Wacko Theories Department ...
The key (as pointed out by a colleague here) is that the
killer killed the wrong person ... suggests the following
sequence of actions (building on previously posted hypotheses):  

Laura and Maddie switch places in early February.
Both are blond to begin with.  Maddie decides
to record the experience in a diary, starting with "day
one".   She's wild, gets in with all the evil
elements in town.  So the coke is hers.  Goes from the
perfume counter to One Eyed Jack's (BTW - that's a terrible
pun for what others in TP call "little elvis", isn't it?).
Same time, she is naturally interested in a new boyfriend,
starts seeing James.  Finally meets her demise in the train
car, *as Maddie*, by the killer *who travels around a lot*
(e.g., frequents Missoula).  Laura, hearing of all this
while in Missoula, figures she better get back.  Dyes her
hair. As observed, she is sort of floating above all the pain
in town, because while everyone else thinks she is dead,
*she* knows she is alive.   Naturally ministers to Mom and Dad,
mainly by bringing them coffee.  QED.

Next Season: Cooper and Laura (as Maddie) in Missoula:
"Twine Speaks".



 

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I was just thinking about the article posted yesterday about
Josie.  The poster stated that the first character shown in
the Movie Pilot was Josie and that she looked very sad while
applying her make-up.  I remember thinking it was strange,
(after viewing the pilot a second time), that scene was the
first scene in the movie.  

I starting thinking why Josie was sad and I've decided that
she didn't kill Laura but she's connected somehow.  She was
sad because she already KNEW that Laura was dead, she knew
before Pete discovered the body OUTSIDE HER MILL.  Why
was the Laura's body dumped THERE?  Was it a warning to
Josie that she would be the next victim?  

Is the Mill a sawmill, I can't remember sitting here at work?
If it is, logs at the saw mill,  LOG LADY,  Laura's body
wrapped up like a log left outside the LOG MILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Any Ideas!


Damn this is so much fun,  I called "TWIN PEAKS"  Active TV,
compared to others shows where the tv viewers are just passive
watchers.


NOTE:  Josie was sad while putting on her make-up, does anyone
       remember the song that goes something like:  
       " da ...put on a happy face...."

In article <1990May9.184148.24135@cs.rochester.edu> ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson) writes:
> >In article <JYM.90May9092134@eris.berkeley.edu> jym@eris.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:
>> >>/-\
>> >>|S|he's intelligent, attractive, and very weird:  a perfect match
>> >>`-' for me. :-)
> >
> >Seeing as how opposites attract and all that. :-)

And all wierdness is opposite.   :) :) :) :)

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I personally find the M. for L. swap hard to believe in any form.  It's
a classic whodonit plot.  For a thorough debunking of its form see
"The Simple Art of Murder" by Raymond Chandler.

I continue my contention that this is a normal crime with normal criminals,
which is why it such a good show.  The plot is not as important as what the
plot reveals about human nature.

Doug van der Veen

In article <9817@yoda.chips.com> bmay@yoda.UUCP () writes:
> >In article <10683@yunexus.UUCP> logan@yunexus.UUCP (Beryl Logan) writes:
>> >>Might it not be the case that the greatest psychological, or
>> >>sub-conscious, reaction would result in the widest miss of the ball [...]
>> >>
>> >>Which character elicited the WIDEST miss???
> >
> >We can't say, because he didn't make a throw after saying "One-Eyed Jack's".
> >That omission struck me as strange at the time, even more so once the poker
> >chip is found in Laura's stomach.

Remember, this was not just some random stunt to figure out who to
question next.  It was an attempt to find out the meaning of "Nervous
about meeting J. tonight."  

* If you were writing a diary entry to yourself, would you write
  something like this unless you were referring to an actual person?
 
I'm not sure who got the widest miss (for Johnny Horne he hit the
trash can.  I forget whose name was called when he hit the tree and
Andy's head.) but I don't think the original hypothesis is correct.
It's an interesting idea, but I think Cooper's subconscious intuition
*guides* his throwing arm.

Coming back to the diary, keep in mind that she was presumably writing
it for herself.  Everyone seems to call Leo Johnson by his first name,
so it seems that you would write "Nervous about meeting L. tonight."

My guess: J. is Jacques.  The bottle broke on Leo, because his
intuition told him it was Leo, or had something to do with Leo, and he
didn't know about Jacques at the time.

-Sho
-- sho@physics.purdue.edu <<-- they might be truth, they might be lies, they might be big, big, fake, fake lies....

In article <11356@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
> >Has anyone given thought that the three men might've been Leo, Jacques,
> >and Bernard?  While Leo seems too obvious to be *the* killer, it's not
> >clear that he's not involved somehow. And Jacques' mynah bird is a
> >possible clue.

Possible clue?  I think she slept with Leo, Jacques, and the mynah bird!

In either case, if you're going to go that route, I think it'd be more
likely that she'd slept with Leo, Jacques, and Ben Horne.  Bernard 
just doesn't feel right.

-Sho
-- sho@physics.purdue.edu <<-- Then again, neither does Jacques.

Another pointless thing occurred to me: in the
film version of Dr. Doolittle, the Push-me-pull-you
(or however it was spelled) was a represented as
a llama with a head and neck on each end.  So assuming
Lynch and/or Frost were even thinking about this,
the llama could be another example of two-ness where
one of the two has been hacked off.

This is the only television show in history, that I
can think of, that has inspired such free association.
--paul

"...llamas...have 6-inch fangs..."
                    -- a Monty Python routine

Several days ago I posted a hypothesis that Jacoby is color-blind, based
on the odd glasses he wears.  I first learned about such glasses from
Nathaniel Borenstein.  Here's what he had to say about it after I asked
him for an elaboration on the subject:

Excerpts from private correspondence: 10-May-90 Re: Color blindness
Nathaniel Borenstein

> > For certain kinds of red-green color-blindness, it is possible to obtain
> > substantial correction to the color vision by placing a red contact lens
> > (known generally as an Xchrome lens, I believ) in the less dominant eye.
> >  I had such contacts for several years, and the correction was
> > substantial.  However, this correction is only available in hard
> > contacts, to which I was ultimately unable to adjust, so I had to stop
> > wearing them.

> > I then had a pair of glasses specially made which had a dark red lens in
> > the less dominant eye.  The frames were mountaineering frames which had
> > eye shades around the sides, which prevented stray light from bypassing
> > the colored lens and ruining the effect.  The glasses worked about half
> > as well as the contacts in terms of color correction, but they looked
> > REALLY weird.

> > Your Dr. Jacoby might indeed have funny glasses for such a purpose, but
> > I have not heard of anyone using a blue lens with a red lens. 
> > Typically, one lens is red and the other is clear.

> > Meanwhile, I recommend that all your color-blind correspondents on the
> > net look into Xchrome lenses.  They aren't effective for everyone, but
they were awesomely effective in my case.  

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In article <1131@bullwinkle.UUCP> chris@toontown.UUCP (Chris Andersen (The Dangerous Guy)) writes:

> >No, no, you misunderstood: I suggested that a day passed between the first
> >time that Bobby was questioned and the fight at the Roadhouse (not between
> >the fight and the conversation in jail).  It was at this time that Bobby
> >probably got the first $10,000 to Leo (perhaps at the Roadhouse?)

Even so, no.  Can't be.  Look at the chronology that some helpful
soul (not I) posted this week, or look at the tapes again with greater
care.  Everything on the two-hour film pilot happened on the same day
(Friday).  There is just no way around it.  There was no "lapse of a
day"; the dates and events preclude it.

This gives us an almost equally big problem.  How does Cooper get to
TP city limits by 11:30 am Friday, when the FBI wasn't called in
till after Ronette turned up, having been missed and looked for?  Ok,
we can make up scenarios to get around it; but it's real close timing.

Jon

In article <9820@yoda.chips.com>, bmay@yoda.chips.com (bmay) writes:
> > In article <saG4oGW00V46Q6TUZ1@andrew.cmu.edu> dk24+@andrew.cmu.edu
(David Jason Kyle) writes:
> > ]O.K.
> > ]we've got Tibet
> > ]we've got the Tibeten animal, the Llama
> > 
> > Sorry, but llamas are South American (native to Andes?)

But that llama's good for a lot of yaks!
(sorry 'bout that)


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Paul Raveling
Raveling@isi.edu

Someone has probably mention it but the current NEW YORK magazine (not
New Yorker) has a great cover story on Twin Peaks. It has a lot of photos
taken directly from videotape. 

One thing mentioned is that Lynch loves Ronald Reagan!

Robert Chao
Oakland

In article <2560@tellab5.tellabs.com> jfr@Tellabs.COM (John Ryder) writes:
> >In article <7197@ur-cc.UUCP> bwri_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Ben Wright) writes:
>> >>
>> >>One last thing - is anyone else in love with Audrey Horne, or is it just
>> >>me?
> >
> >No, it's not just you.

No, indeed, some current magazine has her featured as one of the
world's 10 most beautiful women (or some such thing.) Sorry, I don't
remember which magazine. People? US?



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My theory is that the people of Twin Peaks are weird because of some
sort of chemical. In case you haven't noticed, just about everyone in
Twin Peaks is crazy, and those who aren't crazy eventually reveal a
strange side. Also, it seems like the newcomers are less crazy than
the old-timers. Agent Cooper is interesting, since he is not a native,
but finds the natives very likeable, because he is a bit screwy
himself. 

I think mercury contamination might have the effect of making
everyone crazy. If not mercury, then something else. It could be
natural (swamp gas carried by those nightly winds?) or man-made
(pollution from the paper mill.) Whatever it is, it is clear that the
contamination has been there for many generations (hence the old
secret society.)
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tim@hoptoad.UUCP (Tim Maroney) writes:
> >
> >How?  Mistaken identity is not any pathological syndrome of which I am
> >aware.
> >
> >Dental records could tell them apart, but he'd have to decide to doubt
> >the positive identifications by people who knew her well to go to the
> >inconvenient step of checking dental records.  What he was after was how
> >the girl died, not who she was.

Hmmm.

Would he have missed anything as obvious as, say, dyed/bleached hair?

Laura is blonde, either naturally or dyed.  Laura's cousing is brunette,
again either naturally or dyed.  Killing Laura's cousin and palming the
body off as Laura would involve dying the hair, unless Laura only changed
her color after the fact to play down the similiarities.  This possibility
means, however, that her masquerade as the cousin is an ill-concieved one.

I think Laura is dead...


Scott

In article <13335@venera.isi.edu> raveling@isi.edu (Paul Raveling) writes:
> >In article <830@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU>, bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU
> >(Barry Gingrich) writes:
>> >> Is "TWINe" another cosmic pun?  
> >OK, puns can get worse.  Remember that Laura was bound with
> >twine, apparently in a box car on the railroad?  Well, a
> >railroad is often called a pike.  Pronounce "Twin Peaks"
> >with a severe southern accent and you can easily get
> >"Twine Pikes".
  Yeah, and pronounce Ben & Jerry's last name in two syllables.  Ben's
voracious appetites...hungry, horn-y, twin-e...
  Re: the domino...is this a foreshadowing of the downfall of all the up-
standing citizens of TP (Domino Theory)?  Who gots a guess at its meaning?
In dice, if you roll 2 sixes you call it "boxcars."  Could two treys in
dominoes be one "boxcar," the site of the ritual?
  My friend's latest theory is that the citizens sacrifice body parts to the
EVIL in the woods to avoid, uh, well, who knows?   (As an aside & response
to a recent posting, could the twins have been seperated at birth in order
to eventually sacrifice one of them (obviously not a virgin) to the EVIL at,
say, age 18?  Yeah, I know I'm stretching it, but Lynch makes me think.
  Concerning Lucy going undercovers at OEJ's, it's too risky.  Some customers
might recognize her.
  I still want to know about the percolated fish.
  The dwarf could represent the spirit world, as in some cultures (Tibet??)
dwarfs are revered as having a direct link to the nether lands.
  Firewalking in some cultures (far Eastern, possibly a weak link to Josie
(w/ one "i" whose name is really Jocylyn) is ritually done to ward off evil
spirits.  Hmmmm.
  Bobby runs away from Jacques' apartment, chased by Hawk.  Hawk comes back
and tells Cooper "I lost him in the woods."  We haven't seen Bobby alive
since that scene, have we???  We did see a body wrapped in plastic, and
Leo told Ben that it's Jacques' frere.  But I wouldn't put it past Leo to
tell a white lie.
  And since nobody mentioned it, I'll bring it up: Cooper's hair when he
awakens from his dream!  Fine hair.  And stiff!  Sort of a single peak :-)
  Well, just a few hours til the 5/10 episode.
--Jim
 Twin Peaks: Not Just another Who-donut.

On behalf of the Northwestern ISRC Twin Peaks View-Crew (that's Robert, Sabine,
and me), I would like to convey a collective scream of anguish.

David Lynch is a sadist.


--magik (aka magik@norby.acns.nwu.edu)

"Diane, it's 11:00 pm on Wednesday. I've just returned to my room at the 
 Great Northern Inn to find a nude Audrey Horne lying beneath the sheets in
 my bed. Further updates as events warrant." <CLICK>

"You could go *blind* looking at this girl!"

"...and there's always music in the air..."

"Dammit, Leo, I told you to mind the store, not open your own franchise!"

"A couple of belts, and even *you* might look good to me."

"So it *was* Jacques Renault's blood on Leo Johnson's shirt."

<SLAP!> "Wait for the tea!"

"It's about time you got here!"

"Jacques Renault has type AB-negative blood..."

"We are all Icelanders!"

"You might want to keep a step back here, Doc."
"I might want to anyway."

"Yes...Miss Horne."

"Are you trying to tell me...that your entire country is above the timber
 line?"

"It was hidden in her desk...just like you said it would be."

"Did you notice the picture of Leo Johnson's truck on the same page as 
 Ronette's picture?"


--magik (aka magik@norby.acns.nwu.edu)

In article <11016@sun.udel.edu> cbrooks@sun.udel.edu (Chris Brooks) writes:
> >
> >In the May 3rd episode, the scene between Donna and Audrey--
> >
> >They are discussing cooperating in solving Laura's murder.  Did anyone
> >have the feeling of opposites or a mirror image?  Part of the "twins"
> >feeling, but reversed.
> >
> >I got this impression from various aspects of the scene--hair styles,
> >for example.  They were similar, but parted on opposite sides of the
> >head.  When the two girls were shown together, it seemed mirror-like to
> >me.


Interesting point. And reflect also on the "good girl" image/"bad girl" image
duality between the two. I say image because I think Audrey is less corrupt
than Donna. Note that in tonight's episode (5/10) Jacobi said that "Laura
liked to corrupt people because that was how she viewed herself". And Donna
and James are "closer to her than anyone".

Another fun touch from the 5/3 Audrey/Donna bathroom scene: did anyone 
notice the "heartbeat" pattern on the bathroom walls? It may not be 
significant, but it was amusing.

What relevance does James' family life have to do with the series? I have a 
couple of theories:

(1) None whatsoever, but it provided a nice lead-in to "we'll never have any
secrets from each other". I don't think Donna will keep up her end of the
bargain...

(2) Maybe Blackie is James' mother? I like this one the more I think about it.

--magik (aka magik@norby.acns.nwu.edu)

"Diane, it's 11:00 pm on Wednesday. I've just returned to my room at the
 Great Northern Inn to discover a nude Audrey Horne beneath the sheets of my
 bed. Further updates as events warrant."

Well, she IS eighteen, after all...;-)

In article <9818@yoda.chips.com> bmay@yoda.UUCP () writes:
> >
> >Unrelated question.  The (single) peak we see behind the "Twin Peaks" city
> >limit sign looks like Haystack Mountain (I believe that's the name) near
> >Snoqualamie WA.  Can anyone make a positive ID?
> >

Well, considering Snoqualamie, WA is where Twin Peaks is filmed, I'd call it
a definite probability.

--magik (aka magik@norby.acns.nwu.edu)

"A couple of belts, and even *you* might look good to me."

YEEEEEHAAAAAA!!!!! I was right! It is filmed at Snoqualmie Falls!

I WAS RIGHT WHEN IT FIRST CAME ON!!!!!

AND IT IS GEOGRAPHICALLY F****ING IMPOSSIBLE!!!!! 

(You can buy pancake mix with a picture of the lodge on it...)

I'd like to point out that at the BEGINNING of the 5/10 episode, Cooper asks
for TWO pairs of those nifty silicone earpillows he'd used earlier.

Now, don't you think he'd kinda expected there to be another set of ears to
plug sometime later on, Cooper not being a man to waste Bureau resources?

-steve

 "Shut your eyes and you'll burst into flame."
 "Thanks, Margaret."

In article <56951@bu.edu.bu.edu>, sultan@bu-ast.bu.edu (Peter Sultan) writes...

} Albert had determined that Laura had been tied up with finley twine.

No, he determined that Laura had been tied up on two separate occasions.
In one case, they identified the brand of twine as being Finley's. The
other had not been (as of the 5/3 episode) identified.

} cooper told andy to buy finley twine *specifically* (i.e. not just buy
} *any* twine) at the store next to the vet's.

No, again. He told Andy to buy some twine. He didn't specify a brand.
When Andy brought the twine into the vet's, Coop said, "Hand me the
Finley's Fine Twine," as if he knew that that was the brand sold in
the store.

} if finley twine were available at *that* store, it increases the 
} likelyhood that the killer had a connection with the vet.

Why? Finley's Fine Twine would seem to be a very common brand.

} if there had been no finley twine there, cooper would not have
} impounded the records of the vet.

On what basis do you make this claim?

} recall that he ordered the files seized only *after* andy came
} in with the twine.

Only because he hadn't gotten around to it.

By the by, in response to other comments on the subject, Coop did *not*
use the twine to bind the vet files. When the cops brought the files
into the station, they were in boxes with lids just sitting on top.
No evidence of being bound.

-- "I've got compassion running outta my nose, pal. I'm the sultan of sentiment." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

Just a few quick questions:

1) My mother heard lyrics to the theme song for TP (on a new-age station).
Does anybody have the artists name and a copy of the lyrics?

2) Who played the part of 'The man from another place' (the midget in coopers
dream).

3) Can someone mail me the name of the person who is the clearinghouse for
videotape requests, I am needing a copy of the premier.

4) Was the scene with Bobby and Shelly broadcast (the scene where she gives
him Leo's bloody shirt, episode 4)? Our station pre-empted TP last thrusday
to broadcast some anti-drug thing and I suspect that they may have cut this
scene from thier tape- can anybody confirm this? (If so- I am going to need
a copy of the 4th episode as well!)

Thanks in advance:

rON. (blowfish@carina.unm.edu!ariel.unm.edu)
"I,ve got compassion running out of my nose, pal. I'm the Sultan of Sentiment."

Bobby's conversation with Dr. Jacoby was indeed troublesome to understand,
but at the end, Bobby said "She wanted so much .... she made me sell drugs
so she could have 'em".  

Also, I think that the copy of "Flesh World" at Jacques was gotten out of
the ceiling light fixture.  Strange that Truman kept looking up at it
and didn't say anything. 

Leo was only wounded, as the previews for next week show.  But I fear for
Donna, James, and Madie because I think that Hank will try to stop them
to keep them from finding out about the drug ring that he runs.  Also,
when Hank beat Leo up, did he say he would take apart his "Chippy" before
killing him?  What is a "Chippy", was he refering to Shelly or to Leo's
corvette?

Shelley only winged Leo.  

I personally think that Audrey didn't put on the music at the party for the]
Icelanders, I think that Leland did it himself.  The blood on Leo's shirt
was Jacques Renault's.  

The "Log Lady", her name is Margaret, right?  Was the log saying there was
an eye-witness?  "A woman's voice".  

Concerning the tying up of Laura and Ronette....  I think that they were tied
at the arms in the log cabin.  Whoever raped them probably didn't kill them.
It is entirely possible that they weren't raped at all, and only participated
in this at the log cabin for money.

Audrey ... What a Babe!!!

In article <2560@tellab5.tellabs.com>, jfr@Tellabs.COM (John Ryder) writes...

} OK, i'm sure this next statement will have every guy who reads this
} newsgroup bolting for the nearest video store. I *think* I heard that
} Sherilyn Fenn(?), who plays Audrey, is in the movie "Two Moon Junction",
} as a blonde, and appears in it in various stages of undress. Haven't
} had time to check it out yet, but I'm sure going to.

Well, I haven't seen the film, but I happen to have a copy of Maltin here
with me, and I can confirm that Sherilyn Fenn *is* in the film. As to the
rest I don't know. However...

Here's Maltin's entry on it:

TWO-MOON JUNCTION (1988) C[olor]-104m. **1/2 D: Zalman King.
Sherilyn Fenn, Richard Tyson, Louise Fletcher, Burl Ives,
Kristy McNichol, Millie Perkins, Don Galloway, Herve
Villechaize, Dabbs Greer, Screamin' Jay Hawkins. Or, SORORITY
GIRL GOES NYMPHO. Well-bred Dixie beauty gets an itch south
of the navel to take off with a traveling carny hunk; rich
grandma Fletcher and sheriff Ives conspire to halt the union.
Camp fest is just funny enough and sexy enough to maintain
interest; McNichol has a lively cameo as a bisexual cowgirl.
The title may be a pun.

Given that Fenn is first listed, it's a pretty sure thing that she plays the
"well-bred Dixie beauty". Whether she does indeed display her "grapefruits"
is a matter for further research.

-- "I've got compassion running outta my nose, pal. I'm the sultan of sentiment." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <May.10.04.47.03.1990.5427@toccata.rutgers.edu> rlr@toccata.rutgers.edu (Rich Rosen) writes:
> >My take was that Audrey was crying because her attempt to mess things up by
> >putting the record on in the first place (who else do you think would have done
> >that, deliberately putting on a big band record with Leland standing around in
> >his upset state?) was flustered by Catherine's invention of the new dance,
> >the Richard Lewis. :-)  THAT sounds a lot more than Audreyesque to me.

I agree.  Audrey probably put on the record.  I'll have to go back and take
another look to see if she's upset about Catherine's Antler Dance or if
she's truly sad.  Maybe she just put on a record without realizing how
badly it would affect Leland, then felt bad when she saw what she'd done.
I don't think that Audrey's completely wacko.

> >You should have watched that preview a little more closely.  Leo was in it,

Yeah, I know.  I blew it.  I let my attention lapse a bit.

> >BTW, what is Bobby saying at the end of his spiel to Jacoby, that Laura got him
> >to "sell drugs so she could have [them]..."??  The end was garbled to me.

That's what I heard.

Hmmm..."Blood on the Donuts"...sounds like
it could be Cooper's autobiography....
-- - Barry gingrich%tisl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu OR bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU

Just my two drachmas worth on some of the net traffic.

1. Lucy is not, repeat not the new girl at Jack's.  After reviewing the
video tapes it is definately not her.  As to why she is giving Deputy Andy
the cold sholder, I believe she has the screaming thigh sweats for Cooper.
Besides Andy would know if she was working undercover at Jack's.

2. The dead body is definately Laura Palmer.  No matter how much you dislike
him Albert would not have missed this.  Even if he didn't have a chance to
drill into her forehead.

3. Favorite lines from the show so far:

      Gerry Horne : "Next stop...rocket science.
      Pete Martell : "You mean your whole country is above the timber line?"

4. By the way gambling, prostitution and cocaine  are all very illegal in 
British Columbia (This is the Canadian Province directly north of 
Washington State).  Just in case any of you Americans think we Canadians
are all a bunch of Psychopathic sex fiends with loose morals.

5. As a side note British Columbia has a very small French Canadian population
yet both Bernie and Jacques Renault were/are French Canadian.  Hmmmm?


ciao...Perry

In article <8329@cognos.UUCP> perryd@cognos.UUCP () writes:
> >                    Just in case any of you Americans think we Canadians
> >are all a bunch of Psychopathic sex fiends with loose morals.

Actually, with the exception of Perry, we ARE all Psychopathic sex fiends
with loose morals. :-)

And to continue the Canadian twist ... on CTV's Canada AM this morning,
Norm declared that "The only thing more complicated than Meech Lake on TV
these days is Twin Peaks".

                                                 - Al
--
Ob. Disclaimers : 
  1) Ok, it is a paraphrase, not a quote. 
  2) If you don't understand what Meech Lake is about, you're 
     qualified to become a Canadian Prime Minister.

Two quick comments on last night's episode and some of this morning's
posts.

1.  I can't believe that the blood on Leo's shirt could possibly be
Jacque's.  Jacque appeared in two scenes after Shelley found the bloody
shirt.  Remember that she found the shirt in his truck when he came back
the morning Laura's body was found.  Jacques tended bar that night at the
Roadhouse and ran away from the bar in the episode before last when
he got the red light signal.  At that point he called Leo to get him
out of town.  The only way I can imagine it being Jacque's blood is if
he was cut by Laura or Ronette during the rapes/murder and bled on
Leo.  However, there seemed to be too much blood for that.
2.  It seems to me that Agent Cooper continues to turn into a
regular person with each passing episode.  In the movie and the
first couple of episodes, he was a wonderful combination of geekiness
and brilliance.  He never seemed to make a mistake and always caught
on to what was happening two steps ahead of everyone else.  Recall
things like the way he immediately knew Bobby hadn't killed Laura,
the way he knew that the videotape was made by a biker (from the
reflection in Laura's eyes -- a detail no one else noticed), the way
he picked up on Truman and Josie.  By contrast, in the episode a week
ago, we have him bursting in on the one-armed man and looking like an
idiot.  Perhaps the one-armed man is doing a good job of bluffing, but
he sure made it seem as though Cooper had blundered.  True, we get the
damn fine detective work of impounding the vet's records when he
finds out that the convenience store next door sells twine.  But
we also have two other blunders last week:  letting Bobby get away
from Jacques' apartment and not realizing that it would be sort of odd
for Leo to leave a blood-stained shirt at Jacques'.  Now this week,
Cooper immediately assumes that the blood is Jacques' (a theory I
hope I convinced you is necessarily mistaken).  Why doesn't he wonder
why Leo would leave the shirt at Jacques' if it has Jacques' blood
all over it and Leo's initials on it?  On top of that, he nearly
blows the interview with the log lady, getting his hand slapped by
her (a funny scene, but out of character for him) and then having to
have Truman essentially lead him through the "interrogation."  It
was a fun episode (yes, the ending was great), but it seems to me
that we're losing Agent Cooper here.

Bart

In article <3576.2648160b@wums.wustl.edu> soper_n@wums.wustl.edu writes:
> >In article <4aFPa3a00jukFKK4Vl@cs.cmu.edu>, Jon.Webb@CS.CMU.EDU writes:
>>> >>> Excerpts from netnews.alt.tv.twin-peaks: 7-May-90 three points Tom
>>> >>> Neff@bfmny0.UU.NET (985)
>> >> 
>>> >>> 1. The hand that dug up the locket was gloved, I think.  Gloves are often
>>> >>> used (in TV and movies) to hide gender.  It may be rash to assume that
>>> >>> the digger was male.

>> >> But the digger didn't know that someone was standing there with a camera
>> >> filming the whole thing, right?  So why would he disguise himself?  He
>> >> was also wearing a denim jacket, and looked heavy set.  It's a man
>> >> unless Lynch was deliberately misleading us.


Look, Netters, the hand was Jacobi!  It's certain!  He tells Cooper and 
Truman that he was out in the woods chasing someone in a Red Corvette, (Leo,
obviously!), and this was around the same time Donna and James were conversing
in the woods.

THey bury the necklace, and Jacobi, being in LOVE with Laura, and wishing to
have something of hers, especially something that is such an obvious token of
love, goes back later and digs it up.  It's simple!

The heart in the coconut that he takes out has the same leather strap James'
had.  It is one and the same.  

ALl this would imply that Jacobi (who knows more about the murder than ANYONE
in Twin Peaks, because of the tape he was listening to, when Laura mentioned
the man in the woods, and how she knew she would get lost in the woods again,
whatever that meant) heard all that Donna and James said to each other.

No one could randomly pop by and dig it up, it was in the midde lf nowhere,
under a rock.  (And there were other rocks around, so it wasn't that obvious a
burial place.)  And no one could have dug it up and stuffed it in Jacobi's
coconut, right?

I think you guys try too hard.

- A couple of other points that bug me:

1) Jacobi said to Cooper:  "I'm a terrible man, Agent Cooper."  He was showing
guilt over falling in love with his patient, a teen-aged patient.  Not over the
fact that he couldn't give a damn about the town.

2) It was NOT Lucy at One Eyed Jacks.  Lucy and Andy had a falling out.  That's
nothing special, nor is it even significant.  It is a device to show that these
people are leading REAL lives.  Things happen when the camera isn't rolling.
So, they're having a tiff.  It does NOT imply that Lucy wanted the evening free
to work at One Eyed Jack's!

3) The photo was of Laura and Audrey.  And as far as I could tell, one, or
both, were wearing winter caps.  It was NOT taken at One Eyed Jack's.  It is a
simple picture families snap from time to time.  And Audrey did see it.  She
didn't find it too surprising because she saw Daddy and Laura together through
the holes in the wall she has so carefully planted.  She knows what has been
going on with Laura and her Dad.

4)  (Trying to kill as many mynah birds as possible with one stone...)
James (I believe) said that Laura told him that Bobby had killed someone.  This
is NOT Killer Bob, whoever the hell he may be, anyway, but Bobby.  I think that
the blood on Leo's shirt won't even match that of Laura, but of the person
Bobby was supposed to have killed.  I think Leo and Bobby did the killing,
though we don't know who was killed.  IT wasn't Bernard Renault, Leo did that
himself, but later.



As for last night's episode:

1)  It was obvious Jose and Hank had some sort of seedy business relationship,
but now we know that this relationship also included Ben Horne.  I think she
had her hubbie offed.  This is all strange since Ben Horne is planning to torch
Jose's Mill.

2) Isn't Audrey a scream?  She's totally convinced Agent Cooper is going to
sweep her off her feet (as if she needed encouragement) and take her away from
all this.  And in the end, she's in his bed, mortified that he will make her
leave.  Yeah.  What a girl.

3) They found the red curtains from the dream.  In the cabin was Waldo, the
bird, and a record player that was on repeat.  "Where we're from, the birds
sing a pretty song, and there's always music in the air."  


Sean Huxter
(I don't have an elaborate signature, sorry!)
-- "And remember, Evil will always prevail because Good is dumb!" - Dark Helmet "Smoke 'em if ya got 'em." - Dark Helmet / Elliot Ness / Colonel Hogan / Judge Harry Stone / Christine Sullivan, public defender.

It looks like I was right about Josie.  Here's what I think happened:

Thursday, Laura goes to see Josie for her English lesson.  Maybe there's
more going on between them than English lessons, I don't know.  Anyway,
Laura trusts Josie and confides in her some terrible secret she's found
out.  What Laura doesn't realize is that Josie is also involved in
whatever terrible thing is going on.  After Laura leaves, Josie gets in
touch with person X and tells him Laura has to die, she's found out
about what's going on.  So person X and Jacques arranges to take Laura
and Ronnette to Jacques's cabin, which they had done before, have sex
with them there, and then they kill Laura.  They leave Laura's body
there and go set up the railroad scene with Ronette.  While they're
gone, Waldo has a gnaw on Laura's shoulder.  They come back, wrap up
Laura, and leave her body near the sawmill.  Next morning, Josie knows
that Laura was murdered, and is sad while putting on her makeup.

In ``Laura'' the very first person you encounter is the murderer.  A
somewhat odd touch.  Seems to me that the same technique might be used
here.  (The first person we encountered is Josie.)

I don't know who person X is.  I don't know why they put the letter 'R`
under Laura's fingernail, or any of the `FIRE, WALK WITH ME' stuff. 
Probably person X is the same person who killed Teresa Banks, and likes
that sort of stuff; who knows.  It doesn't seem that likely, to me, that
person X would have had enough knowledge of Teresa Banks's murder to
fool Cooper unless they somehow got access to police files (e.g., if
they knew or were the local Sheriff).  I don't even know why they dumped
Laura's body near the sawmill, but I'll bet it had something to do with
a message for Josie.

-- J

Ok...did anyone notice this...
The log lady mentioned owls a couple of times...When (damn..can't rememeber
names) Laura's best friend and the guy she was seeing go to get the
necklace they buried they get startled by an owl....
coincidence????
-greg blake
gb1d+@andrew.cmu.edu

You missed the best one ... when Cooper gets to Renault's, Truman offers him
coffee. Cooper says he didn't get much sleep (Icelanders and all) and Truman
replies: "Yeah, you do look a bid peaked." Ooog.

-MSM

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mark S. Miller      UUCP: msmiller@Sun.COM      "In a nation ruled by swine,
##################  GEnie: MSMILLER             all pigs are upward mobile."
######################################################  - Hunter S. Thompson

The Log Lady is such a huge piece of genius I can't believe I survived
watching her twice last night.  (We replayed the episode immediately after
taping it.)

Shut your eyes and you'll burst into flames.  It's been suggested that this
is another dig at Cooper & co. not seeing that she (or rather, her log) has
something to say.  But we must remember that there _is_ an arson being
planned!  And I won't even MENTION the dissertation on fire--oh yes I will
though.

Fire is the devil, hiding like a coward in the smoke.

Margaret's husband was burned to death, wasn't he?!

I'm still undecided at Audrey's crying while watching Leland dance.  IF she
was crying as an empathic reaction to his pain, then it is clearly the case
that Sarah, Leland, Audrey, the Log Lady, and to a limited extent all of
Laura's relatives are on the same psychic wavelength.  (Could ALL of these
people be related???)

I can't wait for the epic Battle to the Finish between the forces of Light
and Dark.  Of course, one of the nice things about this series is how many
people are continually going back and forth--such as JOSIE PACKARD??!!  Wow,
I wasn't expecting that.  I'm just psyched for Dale mano-a-mano with Hank!

I have five scary words for you:  Leo with a sniper's rifle.

Whoever said that the blood on the donuts was funny, I can't agree.  I was
screaming for minutes after I saw that.  It CAN'T be good.  How long did
we think this could go on without one of the good guys getting wasted?  Andy?
Why HAS he been drinking so much caffeinated coffee, anyhow?  Is he a Book-
house Boy?  If not, why not?

I want more details about the Satan worshippers in the forest.  The circle
of candles?  Why?  There were lots of dream clues in the red room, as you
would expect, but not a lot of new clues--except for the film, of course.
So nice how they keep discovering new items which they wait until the next
episode to tell us about; it sure keeps *me* in suspense....

I really like Dale in a double-breasted suit with thin-framed glasses.  And
Ed's mustache is a riot!

I want to see Jacoby get his, after the way he used Laura's inside informa-
tion to work Bobby over.  Although a friend isn't convinced he's being sin-
cere, and she makes a good point.  He didn't really love her anyway, and he
seems to be tighter with Mike than with Laura.  Can what he says about having
been dragged into the drug ring by Laura be true?  How did Mike get involved,
then?  And why did Bobby lie to Shelley about Leo's location, if he really
did see Leo the night Laura was killed?  (Did we ever resolve that question?
I know it's come up before.)

It may be impossible to say who is just plain bad and who got corrupted by
someone else; everyone seems to be corrupting everyone... except for the
Dream Team, Leo, and Hank on the dark side, and the Bookhouse Boys and Dale
on the light side.  But who knows?  What with the Hank-Josie connection, I
can't be sure of anything these days.

Anyway, that's enough for now.  How much better can this _get_?

Rob Jellinghaus                | "Next time you see a lie being spread or a
jellinghaus-robert@CS.Yale.EDU |  bad decision being made out of sheer ignor-
ROBERTJ@{yalecs,yalevm}.BITNET |  ance, pause, and think of hypertext."
{everyone}!decvax!yale!robertj |     -- K. Eric Drexler, _Engines of Creation_

Shortly before watching last night's episode it occurred
to me to connect "Leo needs new shoes" with the one-armed
man's (Mike's) purported identity as a traveling shoe salesman.

Possibility 1 is that Leo was just using a well-worn phrase
and Mike is who he says he is.  He turns out to be a pathetic
sort for the sake of an unusual bit of atmosphere.

Possibility 2 is that Mike is putting up a front and is
still dealing in a something more exotic than shoes.
"Pharmaceuticals" is a natural possibility, but with this
show it could be something odder, such as trained birds.
Or perhaps he has a Flesh World connection...


----------------
Paul Raveling
Raveling@isi.edu

I really enjoyed this latest episode. As bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU (Barry
Gingrich) has pointed out, the directing was quite strong. Lots of the lovely
Lynchisms like awkward camera angles and weird staging. Several of the shots
were as if from the point of view of an invisible person close to the action,
the diner scene with James, Donna, and Maddy, then pan across to Hank.
And Josie smoking the cigar - a film noir gem!

Random thoughts:

- I like Hank. Yeah, he's a mean dude, and we don't know what he's up to or
  what his connection is with Josie, but he's not just a dumb thug.

- As petersen@netcom.UUCP (Barbara Petersen) notes, one of the major things
  not resolved about the dream is the dwarf. I have no clues here. I also
  can't help but think there's more to this dream than simple literal
  connections to clues (drapes, music, birds, etc.). "Sometimes my arms
  bend back" must mean more than "I've been tied up." Oh yeah, and what
  about the gum?

- The raven. What abut the raven. That myna bird looked just too tame to
  kill anybody, but the raven, now it looked evil. Any chance Albert made
  a mistake? Someone check their Edgar Allan Poe collection.

- I loved the way the background music (more J. Cruise?) was playing as
  Cooper et. al. approached the cabin, then they go in and the record player
  is playing that same music. Nice self-relexive touch.

- Cooper was back in form, as others have mentioned. The FBI jacket was
  perfect, as was the line from Truman "Watch your step city-slicker."
  The scene with Audrey is bed was good, even though you knew it was coming.
  I thought magik@norby.acns.nwu.edu (Jeff Williamson)'s version of Cooper's
  "report" to Diane on the situation was great.

- I don't know about Audrey. I liked her more when she was less stable. She
  seems altogether to in control these days. Of course, she also looks less
  evil, while Donna seems to be hiding something more and more (not so much
  this episode as last).

- James and Donna: Blech. Soap opera dialog. Useless teen-love, unless one
  of them's stringing the other along.

- What about Bobby's breakdown in Jacoby's office? Was it for real? It looked
  good, but not very much in keeping with his character. Are we to believe
  that Laura turned him into what is, by any account, a pretty nasty piece
  of work? This was the same guy *barking* a while ago. Also loved his father's
  line: "This is supposed to be family counselling."

- Maddy: She's not as dumb as she seems. I haven't given up the theory that
  it's really Laura.

- What's happening between Ben and Josie?!? Holy Double-cross Batman! What
  are they planning to "do"? Alot of stuff's gonna go down next week.

- Jerry's back. What a worm, but fun to have around. "Heppa, Heppa!"

Like someone else said, this is active television. I love it. The best
non-Lynch episode so far. Many loose ends for the net to chew on until
next week.

-- George Ferguson ARPA: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu University of Rochester UUCP: {decvax,rutgers}!rochester!ferguson Rochester NY 14627 VOX: (716) 275-2527

[ Surely one of the all-time wierd cross-postings... ]

For you hockey fans out there, was Michael Ontkean (Harry Truman in Twin
Peaks) the actor who played the college-boy hockey player in Slapshot many
moons ago? Sure looks like him. Also, ever notice how Doug Wilson of the Hawks
looks just like both of them?

-- George Ferguson ARPA: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu University of Rochester UUCP: {decvax,rutgers}!rochester!ferguson Rochester NY 14627 VOX: (716) 275-2527

Nomination for best line:"I want to cook for you!"


The raven's appearance at the points where we expect the
"away team" may discover Bernie's body may suggest why both
Laura's and Bernie's bodies were wrapped as they were.  The
omnivorous raven is usually among the first animals to scavenge
a fresh carcass.  I suspect Leo of wrapping corpses so that
scavengers will first go for the head.


It's looking more like Jaques and Leo are the prime murderers,
but I still have doubts about Ben.  I'll wager that Leo will
be one, and that he'll be killed in episode 7, leaving the
question of who among his legion of enemies will have killed him.


And what's this bit about Ben now seemingly being in cahoots
with BOTH Catherine and Josie?  Is he a "double agent" for
Josie?  ... or just selling out to the highest bidder?
Considering his warning to Leo, he's probably contacted Hank
already.  When he tells Josie something like "it's set for
tomorrow night", does he mean Leo burning the mill or some
sort of "counterattack" by Hank?


That walk-on of Scott Frost's was nearly a splash-on.  He's
the smiling Icelander who listens to Ben's dumb joke about
crossing a Norwegian with a Swede as Sylvia dumps her drink
on Ben's shoe.



----------------
Paul Raveling
Raveling@isi.edu

/ hp-ptp:alt.tv.twin-peaks / rosch@cpdw.enet.dec.com (Ray Rosch) /  8:54 am  May  9, 1990 /
> >The Major... Is there an Air Force base nearby? Why aren't there other 
> >airforce uniforms in existence? Maybe the Major is a "Major" and is really 
> >the town dog catcher?



Raymond RoschInternet: Rosch@cpdw.enet.dec.com
Digital Equipment Corporation
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---------
 Yeah, and he seems to always be in town. Maybe there is a secret "S.A.C."
 base hidden in one of the peaks, like N.O.R.A.D. in Colorado. Maybe the
 time travel is done via UFO and they are tracking the UFO flights in T.P.
 Could there be more involved than anyone ever expected? Naaaaaa. . .

 fave quote:
 Cooper: "How old are you Audrey?"

 Audrey: "18"

 Cooper: (pause). . . "See you LATER Audrey!"

 John C.

In article <1724@engage.enet.dec.com>, rosch@cpdw.enet.dec.com (Ray
Rosch) writes:
> > The Major... Is there an Air Force base nearby?

Yes, in Spokane.  At least That's probably close enough.


----------------
Paul Raveling
Raveling@isi.edu

I found this in a tavern called "Coopers" in Seattle last night,
and thought I'd pass it along:

                   
                           TWIN PEAKS ALE

     Welcome to "Twin Peaks" ale, our newest custom house brew.
Named after the Northwest' own hit TV series (TWIN PEAKS), we have
produced the quintessential N.W. ale - a hearty, robust ale with a
strong hop finish.  A beer to go with our legendary cherry pie and
"damn good" coffee.  "Who done it?" you ask?  Rogue River Brewing Co.
of Newport, Oregon - one of the N.W. newest breweries.

                       ENTER THE "WHO KILLED LAURA PALMER" CONTEST

     Special Agent Dale Cooper has asked the patrons of his namesake
alehouse - Coopers Alehouse - to help him solve the murder of Laura
Palmer.  Listed below are the names of the likely suspects in the
crime.  Select the person you think killed Laura Palmer.  Please
one entry per person.  In case of a tie, the winner will be drawn
from all the correct entries.  The prize is a dinner for two at the
fabulous Great Northern Hotel.  We know it as the Salish Lodge (used
as a setting for the show.........



It goes on to list the major suspects (suspiciously omitting the Log Lady).
I'm not sure I like this sort of thing, but I tried the beer.  It
was pretty good.

In article <7559@accuvax.nwu.edu>, magik@norby.acns.nwu.edu (Jeff
Williamson) writes:
> > 
> > Another fun touch from the 5/3 Audrey/Donna bathroom scene: did anyone 
> > notice the "heartbeat" pattern on the bathroom walls? It may not be 
> > significant, but it was amusing.

That pattern is (I think) a stylized representation of the skyline
at Twin Peaks.  Maybe not surprising, but a nice graphic touch.

Then again, it wouldn't be surprising if Lynch & Frost
deliberately stylized the skyline to look like a heartbeat
on an electro-cardiogram.


----------------
Paul Raveling
Raveling@isi.edu

The May 14th issue of People has an article and Who's Who chart about Twin
Peaks.  For anyone who starts watching late, the chart is a great way to link
the players together.

/pbp

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There's been a lot of talk on this newsgroup about how fantastic the 5/10
episode was.  Well, I hate to play the bad guy (but I love to play the
black sheep), so here are a few problems that I (and the regular Twin
Peaks fanclub here) feel the need to mention...

For one thing, Lelenad and Catherine's "Antler Dance" seems pretty
popular with most people, but I really thought it was a cheap joke.  This
kind of humor is typical of "Three's Company" or any other typical
sitcom.  When Catherine started holding her head like Leleand, all I
could think of was a similar exercise scene from the "Toxic Avenger."  It
was a cheap, predictable, extrememly NON-LYNCH, NON-TWIN PEAKS moment in
the show.

I disliked Cooper's "FBI" jacket.  I understand that it's probably
regulation to wear such a uniform when perforing risky entry-type
operations, but without the tenchcoat, it ain't my man Cooper.

Next gripe - Audrey.  What's with the Nancy Drew/Confused Teenager With A
Crush bit?  I remember when Audrey would just stand around, stare at the
ceiling, and snap her fingers to some jazz. Bring back the Audrey theme
music!  I also think her sexuality is being pushed in our faces too
much.  This is not to say that I don't like the idea of Audrey In My Bed,
but we all knew she was sexy.  It's superfluous to shove her into the
audience's (and Cooper's) face.  (But I'm still dying to find out what he
does!)

Last gripe - The cabin with the drapes.  I was glad that Cooper and
company made some progress, but I think that altogether *too many*
answers were found this episode.  Heck, there's hardly any mystery left
about Cooper's dream!

Wrong.

I'm still wondering about who the dwarf is supposed to be.  And what
about the gum?  And the circle of candles?  And the shadow moving across
the drapes? (I've heard a lot of people say that the shadow looks like a
bird or a plane - rewind your videos people.  The shadow is a square (or
rectangle, or diamond, or some other 4-sided object), no question about
it!

Not to come off as a complete critic, there were several parts which I
really loved in this episode.  The Log Lady rules!  I loved her Log's
testimony - "My log does not judge!" Ha! Also, Cooper's opening
complaints were very much in character and quite amusing.  And the whole
"Red Drapes" connection was terrific!  Overall, I liked the sepisode a
lot, despite a few minor failings.

One last point of interest:  according to a friend, David Lynch also
directed a few commercials for perfume!  So did Martin Scorcese, if my
friend is right.  It could be for "Opium," but I'm not sure about that.

"Close your eyes and you'll burst into flame." - Log Lady

In article <7197@ur-cc.UUCP>, bwri_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Ben Wright) oozed:
==> On to the (IMHO) *big* issues - Tibet and the Dalai Lama.  Doesn't it
==> seem unusual to anyone that a Llama was in a vetrinary clinic in a small
==> town like Twin Peaks?  It seems to me that the Llama in the clinic is
==> (symbolically) linked with the Dalai Lama himself.  And if this is the
==> case, then how are we to read the Llama's snorting at Cooper (who is such
==> a great Lama fan in the first place)?  Hmmm...

not necessarily unusual.  soquel, a small town 5 miles south of
santa cruz, has a llama farm....

-- ``Twin Peaks: Not Just Another Who-donut.'' --- lester@ttidca.TTI.COM (jim)

Bobby couldn't have known where Leo was the night Laura was killed.
He took Shelly at her word that Leo said he was in Butte when he
called.  Otherwise, he wouldn't have taken a chance taking her
home the day the body was found.  Where did this idea come from?

Bart

In article <7272@ur-cc.UUCP> bwri_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Ben Wright) writes:
> >I disliked Cooper's "FBI" jacket.  I understand that it's probably
> >regulation to wear such a uniform when perforing risky entry-type
> >operations, but without the tenchcoat, it ain't my man Cooper.

On the contrary, Cooper is a Company man through and through. If it's
regulations, then he'd do it. No questions asked. His unusual techniques
in other situations have never conflicted with policy as I see it. On the
other hand, my feeling was not that it was regulations, but that he's just
a bit of a geek. You know, the guy who's clothes are never quite right for
the occasion? This ties in with Truman's ribbing him about being a city-
slicker.

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One thing made me crack up - 

Deputy Andy brings Cooper a cuppa joe and a jelly.  Cooper takes a
bite, and then hands them back to Andy so he can retrieve the copy of
Flesh World.  Andy started to eat Cooper's donut.  

Waste not, donut not.

In article <May.9.13.22.15.1990.15798@revenge.rutgers.edu> trudel@revenge.rutgers.edu (Jonathan D.) writes:
> >
> >The phrase "That gum you like is going to come back in style" (I know
> >it's not precisely that..) has been nagging at the back of my brain.
> >I've been trying to think what sort of gum that would be, because I
> >can't accept that it's Wrigley's Doublemint.  That's too obvious.
> >
> >I was thinking about the other types of gum that we know of...

I think that it's Blackjack gum that's being refered to. That 
would be consistant with the One Eyed Jacks etc.  It was fairly popular 
around the 1950s.  I don't remember when it was taken off the market.


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In article <20968@boulder.Colorado.EDU> kelley@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Kelley McDonald) writes:
> >      ...  Also,
> >when Hank beat Leo up, did he say he would take apart his "Chippy" before
> >killing him?  What is a "Chippy", was he refering to Shelly or to Leo's
> >corvette?

When I was a kid, a "chippie" was any nice looking young woman.
Of course, when I was a kid, they still had the Boston Braves and the
Washington Senators:-)





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Just saw a mention in friday's New York Times saying that
Julee Cruise is gonna be on Saturday Night Live tomorrow
night, filling in for Sinead O'Connor who dropped out in
protest over Andy Clay hosting the show.

>>> >>> yahnke@macc.wisc.edu <<<

In article <3317@darkstar.ucsc.edu>, oliver@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Dolphin) writes:
> > Killer Bob is Bob, The Robert from the Europ version.  The man from
> > F. B. I. Special Agent Dale Cooper's dream and Mrs. Palmer's vision.
> > Very likely also Bob Leydecker, the veterinarian.
> > Bobby didn't kill anyone.  He wouldn't have the guts.

Notice that, now that we have physically "met" Mike (one-armed Mike from the
dream, whether or not that's his actual name), the young Mike who's Bobby's
friend was nowhere to be seen this past week.  (In fact, I don't recall seeing
him since the funeral.)  Bobby is still around, and we haven't yet met "Killer
Bob" in the flesh.

Probably nothing, but just interesting enough to irk...
--
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In article <840@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU>, bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU
(Barry Gingrich) writes:
>> >>what is Bobby saying at the end of his spiel to Jacoby, that Laura got him
>> >>to "sell drugs so she could have [them]..."??  The end was garbled to me.

> > That's what I heard.

I haven't seen any dispute to this hearing, but think about this:  If Laura was
in with Jacques and company, she probably with also in with Leo, and would have
ready access to a drug supplier, a drug supplier who was in fact subcontracting
to Bobby, therefore Laura would theoretically have no need to get drugs FROM
Bobby.  Points to ponder:

If Laura's real motive was to corrupt other people (as intimated in the talk
with Jacoby), then she may have been simply getting him involved in coke for
its own sake, for its corruption value, and not actually needing him as a
supplier.  Maybe she wanted Bobby to think she "needed" him to get the coke,
then she wouldn't be dependent on contact with Leo, something she might not
have wanted to be too visible.  And in the process, she brings Bobby down,
although this does not sound like a challenge.  On the other hand, Bobby might
have no idea what Laura's real motives are at all, or (heaven forbid) he may be
lying about the whole thing to score points with the shrink.  I know it can be
argued that he seemed sincerely devastated at Jacoby's disclosure of his
heretofore unknown (to Bobby) knowledge of Laura's character, and that this
made it unlikely that he was pandering to Jacoby, but I wonder,
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posted originally to rec.art.movies
In <1414@gorn.santa-cruz.ca.us> tcbowden@gorn.santa-cruz.ca.us (tim bowden) writes: 

> >(stuff about On The Waterfront with Brando...)
> >What is perhaps not so well known is how the concept of personal
> >loyalty was handled in another film, this one from the early sixties
> >and this time with Mr Brando in creative control.  One-Eyed Jacks was
> >the tale of two bandidos jumped by the rurales in Sonora so that one
> >of them escapes with the gold at the expense of the other.  The
> >screenplay was adapted from a novel which was only a retelling of the
> >Billy The Kid legend, yet practically none of that story survived to
> >the final script.  The theme here is betrayal and retribution.

> >I became curious about just how the film evolved, who devised the
> >conflicts and consequences, where the flavor and context came from.
> >I have written to several of the principals involved, and have a

I just thought that this was interesting, given the many other
movie references in TP.  anyone seen 'One-Eyed Jacks'?
betrayal and retribution?  Sounds like TP to me...

ann










> >Tim Bowden
> >

I thought it was fairly amusing the way Jacoby gets through to
Bobby and he immediately sleepwalks to the couch and lies down
on it.

Anyway, da big bad Bobcat tells us that Laura liked to corrupt
everyone around her. So, who has she corrupted...

Bobby: Made him sell drugs so she could buy them.

Donna: In the flashback that James had when Cooper and Truman were
questioning him, we see Laura and Donna dancing around. Now, were
they also using coke? You could see something glistening beside
Laura's nose, but I couldn't tell what it was. Well, let's assume
Laura got Donna on coke so she would have someone to use it with.

Ronette: Got her to put an add in Flesh World along with Laura's
(BTW what was Leo's truck doing in there? "Studly wife-beating
truck driver seeks new object of affection"??), and also work
at One-Eyed Jack's with her.

Now for some speculation...

Jacoby: Made him lust after teenage girls again (could be what he
meant by "I thought nobody would ever reach me again").

Norma: While helping with Meals on Wheels she planted the idea of
ditching Hank once he got paroled.

Josey: Infected her spoken English with incorrect versions of
slang expressions.

James: Maybe he was too stupid to get corrupted. That's why she was
complaining about it to Dr. Jacoby.


About Madeleine (or however you spell it) and Laura switching places
a while ago, that seems a little far-fetched. Laura was a pretty sick
pup and M would have had a tough time keeping up with her social
schedule. More likely that she just used M's body (first Laura
tied her up and substituted her for herself, then Jacques et al
tied her up again. This would imply that everyone (all the
killers) knew what was going on, and the whole thing, including
the damage done to Ronette, was an elaborate way for Laura to drop
out of circulation). Probably "Laura the Corrupter" would not have
any qualms about killing M.

It is possible that M always had blond hair, like Laura.
Who would a) know this and b) be in a position to say "M, you dyed
you hair"? Leland wasn't noticing much of anything, nor was Mrs.
Palmer, and anyone else in town wouldn't have seen M for a long
time -- so dark hair might not cause any suspicion. Also, I might
be paranoid but it could be that M's glasses are fakes...it looks
like she takes them off at random times, the way someone would
if they were making their nose itch and they didn't REALLY need
them to see clearly.


How about those teasers for the next show!! Cooper visits One-Eyed
Jacks (was that Truman with him wearing a fake mustache??), someone
who might be Laura calls Dr. Jacoby (maybe that's a flashback),
and Leo (miraculously recovered) takes pot-shots at Bobby and Shelly!!


- Adam Barr            {uunet,uw-beaver}!microsoft!adamba

In article <1856@bnlux0.bnl.gov> abrams@dan.amd.bnl.gov (The Ancient Programmer) writes:
> >In article <May.9.13.22.15.1990.15798@revenge.rutgers.edu> trudel@revenge.rutgers.edu (Jonathan D.) writes:
>> >>
>> >>The phrase "That gum you like is going to come back in style" (I know
>> >>it's not precisely that..) has been nagging at the back of my brain.
>> >>I've been trying to think what sort of gum that would be, because I
>> >>can't accept that it's Wrigley's Doublemint.  That's too obvious.
>> >>
>> >>I was thinking about the other types of gum that we know of...
> >
> >I think that it's Blackjack gum that's being refered to. That 
> >would be consistant with the One Eyed Jacks etc.  It was fairly popular 
> >around the 1950s.  I don't remember when it was taken off the market.
> >

Ah, but strangely enough, Blackjack is back!  Buffalo Bob (of Howdy
Dowdy fame) has tv and radio ads announcing the return of this gum.
I thought that this fits really well with the show, since this revival
would have been happening about the time the boys were writing the
show.

Dave "mr question" McIntyre     |      "....say you're thinking about a plate
mcintyre@turing.cs.rpi.edu      |       of shrimp.....and someone says to
office : 518-276-8633|you 'plate,' or 'shrimp'......"

My boyfriend is posting this for me (you can bet he's real secure).

1)  I think it's a raven, 'cause of the beak.  I think it's supposed to
be Laura's spirit, a la Hawk.  Does anybody know what ravens are good
for in Northwest Indian legend?  I know they're important.  Did you
notice the full-frame shot of the raven's eye, how it was like the
similar shot of Laura's eye from the video in the pilot?  Also, I think
there was stuff reflected in the raven's eye, but I couldn't see what.

2)  I agree with the previous poster that S.A. Cooper ("Just 'Agent,'
Audrey...'*Special* Agent.'") is hot stuff.  I think the developing
flirtation between him and Audrey is great.  I wouldn't bet she's 18,
though, fellas.

                                        Gotta getta cuppa joe, 
                                                       Sara

In article <1990May11.171200.24025@cs.rochester.edu>,
ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson) writes:
> > In article <7272@ur-cc.UUCP> bwri_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Ben
Wright) writes:
>> > >I disliked Cooper's "FBI" jacket.  I understand that it's probably
>> > >regulation to wear such a uniform when perforing risky entry-type
>> > >operations, but without the tenchcoat, it ain't my man Cooper.
> > 
> > On the contrary, Cooper is a Company man through and through. If it's
> > regulations, then he'd do it.

The last I knew the regulation FBI uniform was more like
a gray suit.  Some people claim that the way to recognize
an FBI agent in a crowd is to look for the least conspicuous
person.  I'd bet that the FBI jacket was purely poking fun at
that image.


----------------
Paul Raveling
Raveling@isi.edu

Yow (re: 5/10).

One of the few shows ever which, several times per hour, makes me say
"Aha!" -- immediately following which I realize I'm more confused than
before.

In any case, it should now be pretty clear what the story is.  Here's my
take on it:

Leo murders Laura.  Several days later, Shelly shoots him.  Severely
wounded, Leo realizes that his being shot was, at least in part, a
consequence of his having murdered Laura.  He travels several days back
into the past, to warn Leo-prime not to kill Laura, otherwise Leo-prime
will be shot by Shelly-prime.  Leo-naught dies, his shirt a bloody mess.
 Leo-prime takes Leo-naught's shirt to Jacques-prime as proof that he
was visited by Leo-naught.  Leo-prime explains to Jacques-prime why they
mustn't kill Laura-prime -- at least, not yet.  Leo-prime arrives home
and has Shelly-prime wash his laundry while he tries to think of a plan.
 Shelly-prime finds the bloodstained shirt and hides it.  Laura-prime,
who is still alive, decides to masquerade as her cousin Madeleine. 
Several days later, Laura-prime calls Jacoby-prime.  Meanwhile,
Leo-prime stalks Shelly-prime with a sniper's rifle, since by
eliminating her, he becomes free to murder Laura-prime (which was his
original plan, for reasons unknown) without fear of being shot ("again").

The only confusion arises from the fact that the audience is being shown
both timeline-naught and timeline-prime, intermixed.

Clearly, the major concern for next week is keeping Laura-prime from
dying.  Mr. Palmer, who is in touch with both timelines because of his
innate temporal instability, is aware of this danger, and of his
inability to do anything about it.  It is this realization that drives
him to dance "The Leland."

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.-.
|T|hey look like 3-D glasses to me.  This is a Very Important Clue
`-' (TM), especially in this newgroups.  Obviously, it's an indic-
    ation that Jacoby reads 3-D comic books.  Figure out which
    comic books, solve the crime.  Our job is simple.
    <_Jym_>

First of all, I think that the preview for next week was deliberately
misleading (and I agree that showing Leo alive was sorta lame). 
We see  Leo aiming at Shelly and Bobby, then firing a shot, but
I think the next shot of the blood on the donuts is *deliberately* misleading.
Why would S&B have a big stack of donuts in the house?  And besides, they
were *outside* when Leo was aiming.  Seems more likely to me that
one of our fine police/fbi people are going to be in a little bit
of trouble...maybe...?

I definitely think that there was an outside speaker from the cabin
in the woods...Hawk heard it from pretty far away.  Altough Hawk seems
pretty sensitive to these things, and the music was pretty loud.
"There's always music in the air..."

I had a similar reaction as someone but I forgot to note their
name to the Leland dance scene.  *Maybe* Audrey put the record on,
but wasn't she still spying on Catherine and Ben when it began?
But I first felt really bad for Leland, but then was laughing out
loud as the whole antler dance thing began (I did not find
it to be 3's Company-ish at all, as suggested by another poster), but
when they showed Audrey crying, my stomach sank and I burst into
tears.   I thought she seemed truly sad/moved by the whole thing.
She's definitely a woman of deep feeling, and so she knows how to
get what she wants, that doesn't make her completely selfish and
uncaring...I was really freaked out by this whole scene and the
range of emotions I experienced...

The wig on 'Laura Palmer' in the previews is just too obvious, and
it's GOT to Maddie...that mouth is a dead giveaway...that could
get a little weird for the townspeople...

I think that Bobby's confessions to Jacoby were a crock.  I don't 
trust him; he's out to protect himself and no one else.

And to make this even longer, there was a huge spread in the
SF Chronicle yesterday in the People section, where 5 Bay area
mystery writers gave their own conclusions to TP...one
of them was so good that I thought I was reading the real ending
for a second (before I read the introductory stuff) and didn't 
*want* to read the ending but couldn't stop myself...the other four
were mediocre, but catch it if you can.

oh, one more thing, the scene between Donna and James was so
ridiculous...they're actually starting to get on my nerves.  But
it was just SO sappy that I just know there's something hinging on it
somewhere..

OH and the shots of Josie smoking in the dark with that AMAZING
music/sound in the background was just too unreal!!!  I KNEW she
was going to be a bad guy.  Poor HST.  She's got her hands in
too many pots.  I hope nothing happens to Pete!

enough enough enough.

ann

Perhaps I should cross-post this to misc.legal...but I know
that supposedly taping and trading a copyrighted show
is illegal.  but no big deal, right?

What about the slimeball who's offering to SELL copies of TP
episodes?  Isn't that even worse?  Or is it essentially the
*same* 'crime'?  I just think that's really taking advantage
of a good thing and preying on TP addicts really makes me
mad.

ann

Josie and Ben as co-conspirators:  A Real Big Zinger.

So far, most pairings/groups/associations-in-general have consisted of
either all-good-guys or all-bad-guys (insofar as we're able to tell them
apart).  This rule seems to be violated only in marriage:

    Norma (good) married to Hank (bad).
    Shelly (good) married to Leo (bad).
    Sylvia (good) married to Ben (bad).

(Note:  Please take these "good" and "bad" estimations with a grain,
nay, a rock of salt.)

Given this observation, there are a few possible scenarios:

1) Josie is "good"

    This assumption is inconsistent to begin with.  "Good" characters
    don't conspire, nor do they smoke (at least, not in Twin Peaks [this
    observation comes from Steve Webster]), nor do they await their
    co-conspirators secretly in a dark room.  On the other hand, "good"
    characters can conspire for a good cause (James, Donna and
    Madeleine; Audrey and Donna).

    1a) Ben is "bad" (and Josie is "good")

        This would seem to violate the observation.  On the other hand,
        if their scheme is in their mutual best interests AND is
        intended to harm Catherine Martell, then this scenario is
        consistent with Josie being "good" (i.e., "bad" people get hurt
        [Catherine], "good" people benefit [herself, Pete?]).

    1b) Ben is "good" (and Josie is "good")

        This would not violate the observation, except as described
        under 1), above.

2) Josie is "bad"

    This is inconsistent with Josie being friends with Pete Martell
    ("good"), unless Pete Martell is really "bad," which seems unlikely.
     It is also inconsistent with her being Truman("good")'s lover.  On
    the other hand, Truman may be "bad," but again this seems unlikely. 
    However, if Josie is in fact bad, this opens up a whole new box of
    donuts.  What was really her association with Laura
    ("good-and-bad")?  Was she, like Bobby, corrupted by Laura?  Or was
    it the other way around?  Was she responsible for Andrew Packard's
    death, to inherit the sawmill?  Also, assuming Josie's "bad," what
    is Sheriff Truman hiding?  He doesn't seem to be worried about being
    implicated in the Laura case.  Perhaps he conspired with Josie to
    kill Andrew Packard, and now breathes easy since he closed the case
    himself long ago?  (This wouldn't necessarily make him "bad."  It
    depends on whether Andrew Packard was "bad" or "good.")

    2a) Ben is "good" (and Josie is "bad")

        This one seems pretty far-fetched, but it is possible.  In this
        case, Josie would have to be "very bad."  "Very bad" basically
        means that you're in control of other "bad" people, or can bend
        basically "good" people (Ben, in this case) to your will.  This
        doesn't seem too unlikely, given that she has some
        as-yet-undetermined relationship with Hank ("very bad," because
        he controls Leo).  If Josie is "very bad," then Ben may simply
        be her pawn, and she is using him in some elaborate game with
        Catherine.  However, if Ben is "good" and Josie is "bad," this
        violates the original observation (unless Ben has no choice but
        to be associated with Josie, for reasons unknown).  Furthermore,
        the assumption that Ben is "good" is inconsistent with many
        things, most notably:  His visits to One-Eyed Jack's; his
        apparently long-time association with Leo; his flippancy at
        seeing the murdered Bernard.

    2b) Ben is "bad" (and Josie is "bad")

        This raises the possibility that Catherine is "good," and her
        desire to burn the mill stems from a knowledge that Josie is
        "bad."  Not much can be said about this scenario except that
        it's not inconsistent with much except as noted under 2), above.


Whew.  Well, there's my analysis.  No doubt next week will render it
obsolete.  But I don't mind.  I'm a software engineer.  I'm used to it.


Ob. Twin Peaks:  Remember "Josie and the Pussycats"?  Remember Leo's
truck's name?


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Did anyone notice that the actor that plays Albert also plays the harassing
cop on Shannon's deal?

Last night episode was terrific, but I (like others) missed Lucy, Nadine and
Albert.

I thought the bird imagery was excellent.

Ron

The Log Lady scene seems to be terribly important, so I spent half an hour
typing in the script.  This will help those of you without a vcr.  It also
made me realize the amazing writing happening here!

----------------------------------------

The Log Lady Scene

Transcripted by Dave McIntyre (mcintyre@turing.cs.rpi.edu)

LL: Log Lady.
C : Dale Cooper
S : Sheriff HST
D : Doc
H : Deputy Hawk

LL: About time you got here.  They move so slowly when they're not afraid.
C'mon then; my log does not judge.

[ they enter the cabin ]

LL: I've got tea.  I've got cookies.  No cake.

C: Well that's very kind of you, but I don't believe that we...
[ cut off by Hawk ]

H: What kind of cookies?

LL: Sugar.  The owls won't see us in here.

D: A cup of tea would be very nice.

[ Sheriff and Cooper share a meaningful look ]

LL: Shut your eyes and you'll burst into flames.

S: Thanks Margaret.

[ They all sit ]

LL: We'll let it steep.

[ Cooper touches a cookie, LL slaps his hand ]

LL: Wait for the tea!  The fish aren't running!

S: You've been expecting us, Margaret.

LL: You're two days late.  But that's your concern.  My log saw something,
something significant.

C: What did your log see?

LL: Tea first.  Then be ready.

[ She pours tea ]

S: Thank you.

LL: My husband was a logging man.  

C: Oh?

LL: He met the devil.  Fire is the devil hiding like a coward in the smoke.

D: It was the day after the wedding, wasn't it, Margaret?

H: The wood holds many spirits, doesn't it Margaret?

[ LL picks up the log ]

LL: You can ask it now.

[ C looks to S to make sure it's ok ]

C: What did you see that night, the night Laura Palmer was killed?

LL: Shhh. I'll do the talking.  Dark.  Laughing.  The owls were flying.
Many things were blocked.  Laughing.  Two men, two girls.  Flashlights
pass by in the woods over the ridge.  The owls were near.  The dark was,
was pressing in on her.  Quiet then, later footsteps.  One man passed by.
Screams, far away. Terrible.  Terrible.  One voice...

C: Man or girl?

LL: Girl.  Further up, over the ridge, the owls were silent.

[ end of scene, lot's of uncomfortable looks between the boys ]
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Why does no one else but me consider Leo's new shoes related to his prying
gravel (?) out of his shoes in his kitchen a couple of episodes ago???

My favorite quote is when Cooper goes to the Police Station at the
beginning and Harry S Truman noteices that he's "looking a little
piqued."  To which Cooper says, "There is a large group of insane men
staying on my floor at the hotel."


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In article <13588@csli.Stanford.EDU> podlozny@csli.Stanford.EDU (Ann Podlozny) writes:
> >First of all, I think that the preview for next week was deliberately
> >misleading (and I agree that showing Leo alive was sorta lame). 
> >We see  Leo aiming at Shelly and Bobby, then firing a shot, but
> >I think the next shot of the blood on the donuts is *deliberately* misleading.

Agreed.  Leo fires a shot at Bobby and Shelley, who are obviously 
outside the Johnson home, and then the preview cuts to the conference
room in the Sheriff's building, we see the glass on the picture shatter,
blood drips on the donuts, and a shadow starts to fall over the stacks
of two.  I have a feeling one of our buddies buys it.  Lucy?  Hope not.
Maybe Lucy's just spilled some nail polish....

> >I definitely think that there was an outside speaker from the cabin
> >in the woods...Hawk heard it from pretty far away.  Altough Hawk seems
> >pretty sensitive to these things, and the music was pretty loud.

I don't think anyone else heard it.  When they got inside, the
music was, as you say, pretty loud.  Outside, though, it was 
fairly quiet.  I think only Hawk heard it.  I doubt there was
a speaker outside.  Probably a trivial point, anyway.

> >OH and the shots of Josie smoking in the dark with that AMAZING
> >music/sound in the background was just too unreal!!!  

Also, it was in slow motion...the smoke wafted in a very surreal way...
-- - Barry gingrich%tisl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu OR bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU

My co-workers and I are having a disagreement about whether it was Donna
or Audrey in Agent Cooper's bed last night.  Which was it?  I have
trouble telling them apart.

In article <9166@tekigm2.MEN.TEK.COM>, wrd@tekigm2.MEN.TEK.COM
(William R Dippert) writes:

 
> > I thought log lady was the perfect end to the episode,

End to the episode?  After the log lady sequence, we saw (among other things):
(1)  Cooper and team search Jacques Renault's cabin
(2)  The Icelandic investors whoop it up, Leland freaks out, the antler dance
(3)  Revelation of a surprising liaison between two major characters
(4)  Leo comes home, encounters an old friend, gets surprise from Shelly
(5)  Cooper goes to his hotel room, gets a different kind of surprise

> > too bad they had to show
> > the preview of Leo shooting (sniping) at someone leaving blood on the
> > doughnuts.

I've seen other people mentioning this.  I don't think that the clip of
Leo with the rifle and the clip of the blood on the donuts will turn out
to be in the same scene when we see the full episode next week.

I agree, though, that it would have been more effective if they hadn't 
shown Leo in the previews for next week's show.

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In the May 10th episode, when Dr. Jacobi is talking to Bobby alone, he at one
point motions with his finger alongside his nose like the dream-Laura did.  It
could be just an itch to scratch, or it could be that Jacobi knew the symbol
and was trying to see if Bobby would show any reaction to seeing it, or it
could be something else.

Or I could be seeing things...


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I thought that Audrey put on the music to screw up Jerry's attempt at a
speech.  But she *didn't* know about Leland and was upset because of his
reaction.  She didn't want to hurt him.

Well, that's _my_ .02 cents worth.

Michael

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Cooper: "Diane, I'm holding in my hand a small box of chocolate bunnies."

In article <7558@accuvax.nwu.edu> magik@norby.acns.nwu.edu (Jeff Williamson) writes:
> >

How could you have possibly left out "Heppa, I want to cook for you!"

-- Dave Mack

In article <1703@ks.UUCP> kurt@ibmarc.uucp (Kurt Shoens) writes:
> >Ben Wright ...
> >    One last thing - is anyone else in love with Audrey Horne, or is it
> >    just me?
> >
> >I agree!  I've been smitten since early on when she sticks a pencil in
> >the side of a full styrofoam cup of coffee, looks impishly at Mom
> >who implores her not to pull it out, and pulls it out.

Except that it was not Mom, it was Julie, thc concierge at the
Great Northern.

> >Now, whenever I'm bored in a meeting, I poke holes in my styrofoam cup
> >and think about watching TV.

I've tried this too, but my cup is ceramic, not styrofoam, and the
pencil always breaks. It really ruins the effect.

-- Dave Mack

In article <1990May11.140237.7680@stretch.cs.mun.ca> sean1@stretch.cs.mun.ca (Sean Huxter) writes:

> >3) The photo was of Laura and Audrey.  And as far as I could tell, one, or
> >both, were wearing winter caps.  It was NOT taken at One Eyed Jack's.  It is a
> >simple picture families snap from time to time.  And Audrey did see it.  She
> >didn't find it too surprising because she saw Daddy and Laura together through
> >the holes in the wall she has so carefully planted.  She knows what has been
> >going on with Laura and her Dad.

I don't believe for a moment that Audrey planted those peep-holes.
First of all, the passages aren't any great secret, because there are
circuit breakers in them and so must be common knowledge to the employees
of the Great Northern.  The holes are too well done to be the work of
one little girl.  My hunch is that they date from the construction of
the hotel, (Which I assume was before Mr. Horne bought it, because he
seems completely unaware of them).

> >James (I believe) said that Laura told him that Bobby had killed someone.  This
> >is NOT Killer Bob, whoever the hell he may be, anyway, but Bobby.  I think that
> >the blood on Leo's shirt won't even match that of Laura, but of the person
> >Bobby was supposed to have killed.  I think Leo and Bobby did the killing,
> >though we don't know who was killed.  IT wasn't Bernard Renault, Leo did that
> >himself, but later.

Killer Bob is Bob, The Robert from the Europ version.  The man from
F. B. I. Special Agent Dale Cooper's dream and Mrs. Palmer's vision.
Very likely also Bob Leydecker, the veterinarian.
Bobby didn't kill anyone.  He wouldn't have the guts.

In article <1131@bullwinkle.UUCP>, chris@bullwinkle.UUCP (Chris Andersen (The Dangerous Guy)) writes...

} No, no, you misunderstood: I suggested that a day passed between the first
} time that Bobby was questioned and the fight at the Roadhouse (not between
} the fight and the conversation in jail).  It was at this time that Bobby
} probably got the first $10,000 to Leo (perhaps at the Roadhouse?)

No, Bobby was questioned on Friday morning, within a couple of hours of
Laura's body being found. The fight at the Roadhouse was Friday night.
to support this argument:

(1) After the news of Laura's death, James shows up and hands Ed the note
to give to Donna about meeting him at the Roadhouse that night at 9:30.

(2) Ed, talking to Norma later on the phone, tells her to meet him at the
Roadhouse that night at 9:30.

(3) When Harry and the others tell Coop about the Bookhouse Boys and their
drug investigation, Harry tells Coop, "The night you blew into town, Ed
was on a stakeout at the Roadhouse..."  Coop arrived in town late Friday
morning.

There is no inconsistency in this instance, in regards to a "lost day".

I'll be reposting my timeline (with a couple of corrections and additions,
mostly from the 5/10 episode).

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In article <7627@odin.corp.sgi.com> sparks@gemini.esd.sgi.com (Sarah Parks) writes:
> >
> > 
> >My co-workers and I are having a disagreement about whether it was Donna
> >or Audrey in Agent Cooper's bed last night.  Which was it?  I have
> >trouble telling them apart.

Donna isn't interested in Cooper.  Therefore Audrey, who has made
her interests plain, is the girl.  But you can tell by looking at her.
.

In article <1990May11.140237.7680@stretch.cs.mun.ca> sean1@stretch.cs.mun.ca (Sean Huxter) writes:
> >
> >3) They found the red curtains from the dream.  In the cabin was Waldo, the
> >bird, and a record player that was on repeat.  "Where we're from, the birds
> >sing a pretty song, and there's always music in the air."  

Just a thought: I don't believe myna birds sing, but they do talk, and Waldo
might well sing a pretty song of what went on there the night Laura died...

"Let's raawk"

--
Barry Eynon
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In article <13392@venera.isi.edu> raveling@isi.edu (Paul Raveling) writes:

> >The last I knew the regulation FBI uniform was more like
> >a gray suit.  Some people claim that the way to recognize
> >an FBI agent in a crowd is to look for the least conspicuous
> >person.  I'd bet that the FBI jacket was purely poking fun at
> >that image.

Not necessarily.  A relative of mine is a criminalist, and often goes to the
FBI Academy in Quantico, VA for training, seminars, and the like.  According
to her, there is a rather large gift shop there that sells all sorts of
"traditional" gift shop merchandise (t-shirts, key chains, you name it....)
emblazoned with "FBI Academy" and associated logos.  I have seen a few items
from the shop, and they are *anything* but inconspicuous; they belie the
traditional FBI agent image almost (but not quite) as much as Cooper's jacket
did.

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In article <4a4ba9f6.20b6d@apollo.HP.COM>, dawson@apollo.HP.COM (Keith Dawson) writes...

}}} I don't think anyone has brought this up yet, but wasn't that
}}} a picture of maddy and laura in ben horne's office; [...]

}} I thought it was a picture of Laura and Audrey, which I thought
}} strange at the time since they were not close. 

> > My first impression upon reviewing the tape was that the picture showed 
> > Laura and Ronette. This makes more sense, if they were entertainers to-
> > gether at the OEJ.

No, I agree with the previous poster -- it's Laura and Audrey.

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On Josie and Ben:

My theory is that Josie is working with Ben only because she has been
threatened or is being blackmailed.  Supporting evidence:

(1)  Hank (who clearly worked with Ben and Leo before going to jail)
calls Josie and seems to be threatening her.

(2)  Josie tells Truman that she is afraid her husband was murdered and
that they may try to kill her.

(3)  She hardly seems happy to see Ben in their scene together in the last
episode.

Finally, some gut instinct:  I think she's one of the good people.  On
the other hand, some other characters have seemed clearly one way and
now look the other, Bobby especially.

Bart

In article <1990May11.140237.7680@stretch.cs.mun.ca> sean1@stretch.cs.mun.ca (Sean Huxter) writes:
> >ALl this would imply that Jacobi (who knows more about the murder than ANYONE
> >in Twin Peaks, because of the tape he was listening to, when Laura mentioned
> >the man in the woods, and how she knew she would get lost in the woods again,
> >whatever that meant) heard all that Donna and James said to each other.

I'd forgotten abut the tape! My reaction when we first saw him listen to it
was that it was Laura being a tease: "I just *know* I'll get lost again..."
or something. As if she was tempting him to come out there. Now in hindsight
that still seems good, especially if "the man in the woods" that Laura refers
to on the tape is Jacoby, and again she's just being coy. That is, they met
several times (or at least previously) in the woods. Also explains why he
knew where the necklace was, as others have pointed out.

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There are A LOT of questions raised about TP and why various things
were done the way they were done.  In other areas of the art world
there are times when the artist answers questions about his/her work,
why not television?

Perhaps Lynch and Frost could hold a press conference to resolve some of the
outstanding issues.  Simple things like what _really_ is the population of
the town, to more complex subjects like the shadow in the dream sequence.
There's no shortage of questions, and plenty of tuned-in media reporters
to pose them.  As with any press conference, there might be questions that
are best left unanswered, but even knowing THAT is worthwhile.  That would
at least separate out the key questions from matters of artistic license.

It might seem kind of odd to hold a press conference for a fictional story
that may not yet be complete, but hey, this whole series is refreshingly odd.
I for one would like to see Lynch resolve some of the burning issues...

---------

Did anyone else notice that at Jacques' apartment, Andy got a cuppa joe and
a donut for Cooper, who took a sip and a bite, then handed them back to Andy.
While Cooper was retrieving the copy of Flesh World, Andy ate Cooper's donut!

  John (aging Bookhouse Boy whose opinions are his own)

In article <13392@venera.isi.edu> raveling@isi.edu (Paul Raveling) writes:
> >
> >In article <1990May11.171200.24025@cs.rochester.edu>,
> >ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson) writes:
>> >> In article <7272@ur-cc.UUCP> bwri_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Ben
> >Wright) writes:
>>> >> >I disliked Cooper's "FBI" jacket.  I understand that it's probably
>>> >> >regulation to wear such a uniform when perforing risky entry-type
>>> >> >operations, but without the tenchcoat, it ain't my man Cooper.
>> >> 
>> >> On the contrary, Cooper is a Company man through and through. If it's
>> >> regulations, then he'd do it.
> >
> >The last I knew the regulation FBI uniform was more like
> >a gray suit.  Some people claim that the way to recognize
> >an FBI agent in a crowd is to look for the least conspicuous
> >person.  I'd bet that the FBI jacket was purely poking fun at
> >that image.

Actually, it looks exactly like a standard FBI operations jacket. All
plainclothes officers wear jackets along these lines when they go into
a situation where there's potential for a firefight. It would be very
embarassing to be shot by another a cop because he didn't know you
were one too and you were waving a gun around.

-- Dave Mack

In article <3317@darkstar.ucsc.edu> oliver@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Dolphin) writes:
> >Killer Bob is Bob, The Robert from the Europ version.  The man from
> >F. B. I. Special Agent Dale Cooper's dream and Mrs. Palmer's vision.
> >Very likely also Bob Leydecker, the veterinarian.
> >Bobby didn't kill anyone.  He wouldn't have the guts.

There is no chance that Bob Lydecker is the Killer Bob from the
dream. First, Lydecker's receptionist looked at the drawing ("the
eyes should be closer together") and said it wasn't Dr. Lydecker.
Second, Lydecker is in a coma in Calhoun Memorial Hospital, along
with Ronette Pulaski. Do you think Truman wouldn't have Hawk or
Andy wander over to Lydecker's room and take a look at him, just
to be sure? 

-- Dave Mack

Regarding developments in the 5/10 episode:

I think that the writers are trying to contrast the "good" Madeline with the
"evil" (coke-snorting, etc.) Laura.  Evidence: in the scene in the diner
with James and Donna, Madeline orders a "Cherry Coke" which she leaves 
untouched (hmmm...) when she leaves the restaurant - and which the camera
focuses on for a good couple of seconds.

Get it?  *Cherry* Coke?  *Untouched*?  :-)  :-)

However, I really bet that's what the writers intended.


Dave Leary

(The above opinions are not those of Chris Nebel.  I'm just using his account.)

Excerpts from netnews.alt.tv.twin-peaks: 11-May-90 Re: Have anyone
notice... Jym Dyer@eris.berkeley.e (199)

>> > > And how's the idea that Norma is marrying to a criminal and have
>> > > a Bookhouse Boy as a lover strike the netters out there?
> > .-.
> > |N|ot to mention being "Blackie" in her spare time . . .

Excerpts from netnews.alt.tv.twin-peaks: 12-May-90 Peaking Innovative D.
Design@wel (1632)

> > the woman who introduces herself as Blackie
> > (the brothelboss, remember) is obviously Nadine without
> > her eyepatch?  This means that whichever of you claimed
> > to have spotted Blackie in the funeral scene was right.
 

Two "huh?"s.

Can anyone confirm that Blackie is either Norma or Nadine?

If Norma is Blackie, who runs the RR while she's at OEJ?

If Nadine is Blackie, why does she wear the eyepatch "in real life"? 
And who's playing Blackie now that Nadine is out of town at the patent
attorney's office?

By the way, have we ever seen an exterior shot of the RR Diner before? 
Did anyone else notice that the sign outside the diner was the real-life
"MAR-T" diner sign (the actual diner in Snoqualmie) with a neon "RR"
placed next to "MAR-T"?

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Madeleine doesn't drink her cherry coke.  

Cooper loves cherry pie.

Fundamentally inconsistent personalities?

In article <9280004@hp-ptp.HP.COM> johnc@hp-ptp.HP.COM (John_Cates) writes:
||The Major... Is there an Air Force base nearby? Why aren't there other 
||airforce uniforms in existence? Maybe the Major is a "Major" and is really 
||the town dog catcher?
|
|---------
| Yeah, and he seems to always be in town. Maybe there is a secret "S.A.C."
| base hidden in one of the peaks, like N.O.R.A.D. in Colorado. Maybe the
| time travel is done via UFO and they are tracking the UFO flights in T.P.
| Could there be more involved than anyone ever expected? Naaaaaa. . .
|

Or, he is retired.  Most likely, I think.  But is also a little Toing
in the head.  But so is "Jane, His wife" aka Mrs. Cleaver...
-Dolphin

Why would Madeline need to put on a wig to
pretend to be Laura when she's on the PHONE?

Apparently there was a clue in Cooper's dream
about a bird singing.  Way back in Cagney
movies, that meant a criminal was talking
to the cops.  Will we get a confession soon?
Maybe from Hawk?

About the crow or raven: Odin had two ravens
which would tell him what's going on in the
world.  A bird provided a segueway between Dr Jacoby's
and Bobby's scene and Cooper et al.'s scene.  I wonder
if Cooper could be compared to Odin, and birds send
him signals, or something.  There's that heavy
Nordic visitation theme, and it struck me the way
that Cooper arrived so quickly on the scene; as if
the gods saw the troubles on Earth and sent someone
down to investigate it.  It's reminds me of Greek
myth.  It's been suggested before that Cooper is an alien,
and all agents on a Federal level (Cooper, Albert, that guy
Cooper talked to on the speaker phone, Diane) that we've
seen so far have a bizarre, other-worldly air to them.
I don't think it'll turn out that they're all gods
but I wonder if Lynch and Frost thought about this
when they created the show.

I distincly heard the lyrics "floating into the night"
from the song playing in the cabin Cooper et al. found,
so apparently it was the Cruise song.

--paul

In article <May.11.14.18.38.1990.6218@toccata.rutgers.edu> rlr@toccata.rutgers.edu (Rich Rosen) writes:
|In article <840@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU>, bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU
|(Barry Gingrich) writes:
|||what is Bobby saying at the end of his spiel to Jacoby, that Laura got him
|||to "sell drugs so she could have [them]..."??  The end was garbled to me.
|
|| That's what I heard.
|
|I haven't seen any dispute to this hearing, but think about this:  If Laura was
|in with Jacques and company, she probably with also in with Leo, and would have
|ready access to a drug supplier, a drug supplier who was in fact subcontracting
|to Bobby, therefore Laura would theoretically have no need to get drugs FROM
|Bobby.  

I believe Bobby said "She wanted things... She wanted me to sell drugs
so she could have them" or something along those lines.  She didn't need
Bobby for the Drugs, but for the money he would make selling them.
-Dolphin

In article <1990May12.192140.11710@alembic.acs.com>, csu@alembic.acs.com
(Dave Mack) writes:
> >In article <3317@darkstar.ucsc.edu> oliver@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Dolphin) writes:
>> >>Killer Bob is Bob, The Robert from the Europ version.  The man from
>> >>F. B. I. Special Agent Dale Cooper's dream and Mrs. Palmer's vision.
>> >>Very likely also Bob Leydecker, the veterinarian.
>> >>Bobby didn't kill anyone.  He wouldn't have the guts.
> >
> >There is no chance that Bob Lydecker is the Killer Bob from the
> >dream. First, Lydecker's receptionist looked at the drawing ("the
> >eyes should be closer together") and said it wasn't Dr. Lydecker.
> >Second, Lydecker is in a coma in Calhoun Memorial Hospital, along
> >with Ronette Pulaski. Do you think Truman wouldn't have Hawk or
> >Andy wander over to Lydecker's room and take a look at him, just
> >to be sure? 

Who says DR. Leydecker's name *is* Bob?   He could, hoever, be related to
someone named Bob (brother, father, aunt, first cousin with one arm
removed...).
--
"When you told your secret name, I burst in flame and burned..."
-- "Floating", Julee Cruise (Lynch/Badalamenti)   (*)
Rich Rosenrlr@toccata.rutgers.edu

(* - BTW, the credits on this album give special thanks to (among other fully
named people) Bob...)
--