Season 1, Episode 07: The Last Evening — May 23–September 29, 1990
Cooper and Truman's investigation builds to a terrifying conclusion; Dr. Jacoby heads for his rendezvous with "Laura Palmer"--and its bizarre consequences; Catherine Martell and Shelly Johnson are hopelessly trapped; Hank Jennings' evil influence spreads, engulfing Josie Packard.
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The store has seeeecrets.... c2h5oh@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Marian, Madam Librarian) 1990-05-23 00:00
A recent commercial for "Ross" department store shows two women doing the can-can in a shot that's almost exactly like Laura and Donna in the videotape... This is obviously a vital clue....perhaps there's a connection with "Horne's" department store. Analyis anyone? ;-) -- c2h5oh@ucscb.ucsc.edu | "Now all I have to do is find a sailor named | Potato, who doesn't remember he has a tatoo | he can read, who has a sweet patootie."[src]
Re: David Lynch news [twin peaks/Cannes film festival] adamfox@super.ORG (adam fox) 1990-05-23 05:56
In article <3770@jato.Jpl.Nasa.Gov> reiher@onyx.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Peter Reiher) writes:
Let's have a rousing three cheers for that
> >consortium of the MPAA, censorious bluenoses, and timid newspapers, studios,
> >and theater owners who work so hard to protect us from ourselves.
Well, I don't blame the MPAA nearly as much as the people who insist on
contracting movies for an R rating. Either accept it as an X or don't
submit it. Unfortunatly, neither seems to help make a movie successful
which is all most production houses care about. However, such things can
work to an advantage if the media gets involved (eg. I never saw one TV
ad for "The Last Temptation of Christ" but I knew everywhere it was playing
becuase the news cameras were there and made a big story out of it). Yes,
it is sad that our society needs such a system like the MPAA but it's the
lesser of two evils, the other being state and local regulations of movies
which in many cases would be much worse, especially with Jerry Fawell's ,
Pat Robertson's et. al. who like to enforce their personal tastes on the
world.
-- Adam Fox
adamfox@super.org
adamfox@metropolis.super.org
"Universe Man, Universe Man
Size of the entire universe man
Usually kind to smaller man
Universe Man
He's got a watch with a minute hand,
A millenium hand, and an eon hand
And when they meet it's a happy land
Powerful man, Universe man"
-- They Might Be Giants
[src]
Re: Peaks article was hoax, sorry :-) toto@tank.uchicago.edu (Sandra Jessica Smyth) 1990-05-23 07:44
In article <26599606.1efd@petunia.CalPoly.EDU>
dgross@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (Dave Gross) writes:
:
:
: >TWIN PEAKS HERE TO STAY
: >Network execs find coffee-and-donuts crew captures a difficult age group
:
: The above article was a hoax. Forget it. It's not true. Ignore, please...
:
: But I did manage to cause widespread panic, now, didn't I?
:
: >Rumors have even been flying that consultants from Caspary & Sklar
: >(the company that handled the licensing of "Beetlejuice" models and action
: >figures) have been contacted to discuss marketing a line of Peaks-related
: >odds and ends.
:
: You even believed this... Jeez. Imagine little Dale Cooper and Leo Johnson
: action figures. Twin Peaks cereal...
:
Forgeries and hoaxes are fun.
However, having our noses rubbed in it is not fun.
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-o-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Sandra Jessica Smyth Believer in lost causes toto@tank.uchicago.edu .. -. . . -.. ... . -..- - --- .-.. .. ...- .
[src]
Re: Kill the two-Lydecker theory and remember the railroad car boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) 1990-05-23 08:08
In article <11839@shlump.nac.dec.com>, hallyb@globbo.enet.dec.com (JohnHallyburton) writes... } Whatever happened to Harriet, Donna's younger sister? Did she run off } with Mike, Donna's former boyfriend? Doubtful, since she referred to him as "Mister Bonehead Boyfriend". :-) We haven't really seen much of Donna's mother lately, either, for that matter. -- "I never use a pen. I write with a goose quill dipped in venom." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM[src]
Re: Necklace & coconut boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) 1990-05-23 08:11
In article <caKK5gi00Vsn0KYGIH@andrew.cmu.edu>, bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) writes... } Could someone please refresh my memory and tell me what we've already } heard on Jacoby's tape? I remember the scene of Jacoby listening to it, } but that was way back before I was hooked, and I didn't pay close enough } attention, and I never got a chance to return to that scene. "Hey, what's up, Doc? It's Laura Palmer, in case you haven't guessed. I'm making you another one of these tapes, which as you already know, I've mailed to you in one of the envelopes you gave me. It's Thursday the 23rd, and I'm so bored. Actually, I'm in kind of a weird mood. God, James is sweet, but he's so *dumb*. I shoulda met you a long time ago, Dr. Jacoby, cause right now I can take just so much of sweet. I just know I'm gonna get lost in those woods again tonight. I just know it. Remember, me telling you about that mystery man? Well..." -- "I never use a pen. I write with a goose quill dipped in venom." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM[src]
Re: Snow bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) 1990-05-23 08:20
davidbe@sco.COM (The Cat in the Hat) writes: > > Yo! Dig what mbarnett@cs.utexas.edu (Michael Barnett) sez: > > -In article <1745@engage.enet.dec.com> rosch@cpdw.enet.dec.com (Ray Rosch) > > -writes: > > ->The murder has been established as occuring on or about the 24th. of > > ->February. > > -> > > ->Twin Peaks has been established to be very near the Canadian border, > > ->probably in Washington State. > > ->Question - Why no snow on the ground? > > - > > -this would help in placing twin peaks near the western edge of washington. Doesn't Cooper tell Diane (in the pilot) that Twin Peaks is about 12 (?) miles west of the state line? That would place TP in the east of the state. ______________ _____________________________ Bob Glickstein | Internet: bobg@andrew.cmu.edu Information Technology Center | Bitnet: bobg%andrew@cmuccvma.bitnet Carnegie Mellon University | UUCP: ...!harvard!andrew.cmu.edu!bobg Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 | (412) 268-6743 | Sinners can repent, but stupid is forever[src]
Re: Twin Peaks Merchandising twyatt@Thomas.COM (Troy Wyatt) 1990-05-23 08:33
In article <9391@tank.uchicago.edu>, suzy@tank.uchicago.edu (Suzy Mercer) writes:
> > In article <35530@shemp.CS.UCLA.EDU> tj@cs.ucla.edu (Tom Johnson) writes:
> > :
> >
> > How about a T-shirt that says:
> >
> > Usenet knows who killed Laura Palmer
I feel with following that this news group has drawn. Go for the Idea
Post the Cost of the shirts and see what a response you get, if it is
enough to be worth your efforts. Start making them, I will buy one for
sure.
How-about "Who Shot Waldo?"
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Troy Wyattsun!sunkist!ohio!twyatt
System Administrator
Thomas Brothers Maps
[src]
Summary for TP virgins (complete) bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) 1990-05-23 08:33
This is an updated version of the Twin Peaks summary I posted last
night. This version contains some corrections, additions, plus an
important "CLUES" section. This is posted in the hope that Twin Peaks
virgins will be able to get up to speed in order to enjoy tonight's
season finale (and possible solution to the mystery).
-----cut here-----
This is a summary of Twin Peaks (the story so far), intended to allow
Twin Peaks virgins to enjoy this week's season finale (Wednesday, 10
PM, ABC).
SETTING
Laura Palmer, Twin Peaks' local high school homecoming queen, has
been murdered under bizarre circumstances. Some aspects of the
murder resemble the (unsolved) murder of another girl, Teresa
Banks, a year earlier in a different corner of the state
(Washington). Another girl, Ronette Pulaski, attacked in the same
incident as Laura, survived and escaped, crossing state lines in
the process. She is now in a coma from her injuries and
psychological trauma, but by crossing state lines she has enabled
the FBI, in the person of Dale Cooper, to investigate the case.
CHARACTERS
FBI Special Agent Dale Cooper
Agent Cooper is a wide-eyed, gee-whiz, little-boy-at-heart,
by-the-book investigator with strong intuitions and strong faith
in them. He is never too busy to stop for a good cup of coffee or
a donut. He loves pie. He has been enamored of the town of Twin
Peaks since his arrival, despite the macabre circumstances under
which he came. The birds, the Douglas firs, the hospitality all
appeal to him. He has often astounded Sheriff Truman, with whom
he has been working closely on the Palmer case, by his unorthodox
but successful approach to detective work. He places trust in his
dreams and in Tibetan mysticism, as well as in more conventional
clues. When we last left Cooper, he and some of the ``Bookhouse
Boys'' have left their legal jurisdiction to check out One-Eyed
Jack's, the brothel/casino across the Canadian border where
Jacques Renault deals blackjack (and where Laura and Ronette
probably worked as ``hospitality girls'').
``Diane''
Presumably Cooper's secretary, whom we never see, but to whom
Cooper constantly tape-records observations, comments, and
requests on his hand-held, voice-activated tape recorder.
Sheriff Harry S. Truman
Twin Peaks' local sheriff has been glad of Dale Cooper's help, and
admires Cooper's quirkiness and intuitive approach to detection.
Shortly after they first met, Cooper, citing ``body language,''
was able to deduce Harry's love affair with Josie Packard. Truman
is a good-humored, no-nonsense cop who doesn't mind being
frequently upstaged by Cooper's superior powers of observation.
Deputy Andy Brennan
Andy, the ``crying deputy,'' is a sensitive man who was deeply
disturbed by the news of Laura's death. While adept at routine
police procedure, Andy becomes nervous and clumsy when called upon
to draw a weapon or perform other hazardous duties. Like most
others, he admires Agent Cooper. He has recently been getting the
cold shoulder from Lucy, his girlfriend (another relationship
which Cooper deduced from body language), and doesn't know why.
Deputy Tommy (``Hawk'') Hill
An efficient but sometimes enigmatic cop with strong American
Indian roots. He is an expert tracker and marksman, and his
professionalism belies his occasional forays into poetry and
sentimentality. He recited a particularly touching love poem to
Cooper and Truman once; written, he said, for his girlfriend Diane
Shapiro, Ph.D., Brandeis.
Lucy Moran
The secretary and switchboard operator for the Twin Peaks
Sheriff's office. She is a little bit ditsy in a very likeable
way. She has recently been giving Deputy Brennan the cold
shoulder; this may have something to do with a recent call from
her doctor, who (we don't know for sure) may have told her that
she's pregnant.
Albert Rosenfield
A forensics specialist from Washington, D.C. A crude and
obnoxious man who is nevertheless very good at his job, he hated
the few days he spent in Twin Peaks (a backwater town whose
forensics facilities give new meaning to the word ``primitive'')
and managed to alienate everyone around him, even the good-natured
Cooper. Truman, a normally unprepossessing person, was moved at
one point to strike Albert, a minor incident for which Albert is
determined to have Truman's badge. (Cooper has promised to stand
up for Truman should Albert follow through on his threat to file
paperwork.)
Jocelyn (Josie) Packard
Josie, a young Oriental woman with imperfect English, inherited
the Packard Sawmill when her husband, Andrew, died more than a
year before. Catherine Martell (her sister-in-law) runs the
business for her, but grudgingly; there is strong hatred between
Josie and Catherine. Catherine has been falsifying the mill's
financial records to make it appear as though it's losing money,
and is scheming with Ben Horne (who wants the land) to burn down
the mill and make it appear as though Josie did it in an insurance
fraud. However, Josie is also scheming with Ben, unbeknownst to
Catherine, and Josie is aware of Catherine's plans. Josie seems
to be keeping her secrets well-hidden from her lover, Sheriff
Truman. Before Laura's death, Laura was Josie's English tutor.
Josie has the distinction of being the very first character we see
in the Twin Peaks pilot; she is applying makeup and looking very
sad, before news of Laura's murder is announced.
Catherine Packard Martell
Sister of the late Andrew Packard, wife of Pete Martell, and
mistress of Benjamin Horne. Catherine is a shrewd and hateful
woman who has designs against Josie Packard, who owns the mill
that Catherine runs. With Ben, who wants the land that the mill
sits on, she has been planning to burn the mill, and through her
careful falsifying of the mill's financial records, plans to pin
the blame on Josie, making it look like an insurance fraud.
Catherine has recently become aware of Ben and Josie scheming
behind her back, however. She discovered that a new life
insurance policy has been taken out on her, with the one million
dollar benefit going to Josie. Catherine has now allied herself
with the Mr. Neff, the ambitious insurance agent whose
penchant for double-checking everything brought the new policy to
Catherine's attention.
Pete Martell
Catherine Martell's husband. Pete is a pleasant, easy-going
fisherman who works for Josie at the mill. He is aware of
Catherine's affair with Ben Horne, and sadly accepts his wife's
hatred. He is fond of Josie (in an innocent way), and may or may
not be aware of her shadier dealings.
Benjamin Horne
Twin Peaks' local real-estate baron and owner of Horne's
department store is a man of voracious appetites -- for food, for
sex, and for power. Ben has many connections to the Twin Peaks
underworld. He has hired Leo Johnson to burn the mill according
to his and Catherine's plan and is aware of Leo's murder of
Bernard Renault. He frequents One-Eyed Jack's, a brothel just
over the Canadian border. Laura and Ronette are rumored to have
worked as ``hospitality girls'' there; in fact, we've recently
discovered that the perfume counter at Horne's is a recruiting
station for new One-Eyed Jack's talent. Ben and his brother Jerry
are currently entertaining a visiting group of Icelanders in the
hope that they will sign on with Ben's ``Ghostwood Estates''
development project -- a project for which he needs the land on
which the mill sits. When Josie steadfastly refused to sell the
mill, he and his mistress Catherine schemed to burn it down and
get rid of Josie; however, Ben has also been scheming with Josie
behind Catherine's back, possibly to murder Catherine.
Sylvia Horne
Ben's estranged wife.
Jerry Horne
Ben's brother and partner in various shady real-estate deals.
Jerry has been in charge of entertaining the current Icelandic
junket, and has fallen in love with one of its constituents,
``Heppa.'' He and Ben have recently decided that, to clinch the
deal, they should take the Icelanders to One-Eyed Jack's.
Johnny Horne
Ben and Sylvia's retarded son.
Audrey Horne
A smoldering sexpot and rich brat. Audrey is the daughter of Ben
and Sylvia. She has been enamored of Agent Cooper since his
arrival in Twin Peaks, and hopes that she can help solve the
murder, so that he'll fall in love with her and take her away to a
life of international intrigue. To this end, Audrey has tried to
enlist the help of Donna Hayward, Laura's best friend, in learning
more about Laura; but Donna made Audrey promise not to give any
facts they discover to the police. Audrey also placed an
anonymous note under Cooper's door, reading ``Jack with One Eye'';
her attempt at tipping Cooper off to the connection Audrey
suspects between One-Eyed Jack's and Laura and Ronette. (Cooper
quickly deduced that Audrey was the source of the note.) An
inveterate snoop, Audrey has eavesdropped on Ben and Catherine's
plan to burn the mill and implicate Josie. Recently, Cooper
returned to his hotel room at the Great Northern to discover
Audrey, naked, in his bed. He gently declined her implied
invitation, opting instead to stay up and talk about her problems,
for which Audrey was grateful. Audrey suspected the connection
between her father's department store, One-Eyed Jack's, and
Laura's murder. She pleaded with her father for a job at the
store; she blackmailed Emory Battis, the store's general manager,
to place her behind the perfume counter; and she eavesdropped as
Emory offered another perfume-counter girl a job at One-Eyed
Jack's. Audrey got the phone number of Blackie (the madame at
One-Eyed Jack's) and persuaded Blackie to give her a job as a
``hospitality girl,'' proving her suitability for the job by tying
a knot in a cherry stem with her tongue. The last we heard of
Audrey, she was desperate to get an important message to Cooper;
we don't know what the message is.
Leland Palmer
Laura's father, and a lawyer for Ben Horne in his real-estate
deals. Initially, following Laura's death, Leland had his hands
full keeping his wife from falling apart; now, the situation has
reversed. Leland exhibits grief on a grotesquely comic scale. At
Laura's funeral, he leaped atop Laura's coffin, sobbing loudly.
At home, and twice in public, he has danced with an imaginary
Laura in his arms while sobbing and causing discomfort and
embarrassment to those around him.
Sarah Palmer
Laura's mother now seems to be mostly over her grief. She is
given to psychic visions; she had one, on the night after Laura's
death, of a gloved hand digging a buried necklace from the ground,
and another one of ``Killer Bob'' crouched at the foot of Laura's
bed.
Laura Palmer
The murder victim, and the beautiful ``good girl'' of the town,
turns out to have had a very dark side. According to her
psychiatrist, Dr. Jacoby (with whom she seems to have had more
than just a doctor-patient relationship), Laura saw herself as
essentially bad, and was driven by the desire to corrupt those
around her. Laura's parents did not know that she was being
counselled by Jacoby. Cooper et. al have discovered a personal ad
that she placed in the pornographic ``Flesh World'' magazine.
Forensics has determined that on the night she died, she had had
sex with three men. She also had a cocaine habit and may have
been involved in dealing drugs. She had been working at the
perfume counter at Horne's department store, and was almost
certainly a ``hopitality girl'' at One-Eyed Jack's. She was
dating Bobby Briggs, and also James Hurley (whom Bobby didn't know
about until after she died).
Madeleine Ferguson
Laura's look-alike cousin, with dark hair instead of blond,
arrived in Twin Peaks just in time for Laura's funeral. She used
to play with Laura in their youth, pretending they were sisters,
though they haven't seen each other in many years. Maddie is
sweet, shy, and timid. She is staying with Leland and Sarah
Palmer. She ran into James Hurley at the RR Diner and immediately
struck up a friendship with him, expressing what may be a morbid
fascination with Laura's murder. James introduced Maddie to
Donna, and the three of them made a pact to find out what happened
to Laura. Step one: Donna was certain that Laura kept something
hidden in her room. Maddie, who's staying in Laura's room, is
able to find several cassette tapes in the bedpost. When the
three of them get together to listen to them, they discover that
the tapes were made by Laura in privacy, but were addressed to Dr.
Jacoby. The tapes spoke of secrets, and of sex. James, Donna and
Maddie discovered that one tape was missing from the set (they
were all dated), and they presume that Jacoby must have it. Using
a wig, and discarding her glasses, Maddie makes herself up to look
exactly like Laura. The threesome sends a videotape of the new
Laura to Jacoby with a message to meet Laura, in the hope that
they will be able to find his tape when he leaves his apartment.
When we last saw Maddie, she had been left alone standing by a
gazebo while James and Donna went to break into Jacoby's
apartment; Jacoby was on his way to the gazebo; and Maddie (in her
Laura disguise) was being watched by an unknown person.
Janek Pulaski
Ronette's father.
Maria Pulaski
Ronette's mother.
Ronette Pulaski
Co-worker and friend of Laura Palmer, was attacked along with
Laura, but survived and escaped. She is now comatose, having
suffered severe physical and psychological trauma. Ronette worked
with Laura at the perfume counter at Horne's -- and, presumably,
as a hospitality girl at One-Eyed Jack's. A personal ad was run
by Ronette in ``Flesh World'' on the same page as Laura's ad.
``Big Ed'' Hurley
Owner of ``Big Ed's Gas Farm'' and a faithful Bookhouse Boy. Ed
is married to the bizarre and disturbed Nadine, but has been
having an affair with Norma Jennings. (With the news of Hank's
release from prison, and Ed's growing concern about Nadine's
mental health, he and Norma recently decided to break it off, at
least for a while.) We last saw Ed as he was undercover at
One-Eyed Jack's with Cooper.
Nadine Hurley
Ed's wife is mentally disturbed in a way you can't quite put your
finger on. She wears an eyepatch. Her greatest joy, aside from
the fact that she has a husband, is that she managed to invent
silent drape-runners by accident a short while ago. She had been
out of town consulting a patent attorney, and returned in a black
depression when her patent application was rejected.
James Hurley
Twin Peaks' ``good boy'' rides a motorcycle and dated Laura before
her death; in fact, she abruptly jumped off his bike on the night
of her death to keep a mysterious appointment. Laura complained
to Jacoby that James was ``too sweet.'' James, Donna and Laura
formed a tight clique. Laura gave James half of a broken-heart
sweethearts' necklace which, after her death, he and Donna buried
beneath a rock in the woods (they learned that Laura's half had
been found, and that the police would be looking for the owner of
the other half). When Donna learned of Sarah Palmer's vision (of
a gloved hand removing a necklace from the ground), she and James
returned to find the necklace missing indeed. James was deeply
hurt by Laura's death and the subsequent revelations of her darker
side. He and Donna made a vow to learn the truth about what
happened to Laura. To this end, they've allied themselves with
Madeleine. Their current scheme is to lure Dr. Jacoby away from
his apartment so that they can get Jacoby's Laura-tape. When we
last saw James, he and Donna had just entered Jacoby's apartment,
and Bobby Briggs, who had followed James, placed a bag of white
powder (coke? sugar?) in James' motorcycle's gas tank.
Norma Jennings
Owner of the RR Diner. Norma's husband, Hank, was recently
paroled from prison, where he was serving a 3-5 year sentence for
manslaughter (his car struck a vagrant). Norma helped Hank get
his parole by promising the parole board that she'd employ Hank at
the diner. Nevertheless, she seems uneasy about Hank's return,
and not only because it prompted her to suspend her affair with Ed
Hurley.
Henry (Hank) Jennings
Hank Jennings, Norma's husband, was recently paroled from prison
(3-5, manslaughter). Now working at Norma's diner, Hank has
resumed what we must assume were his old ways. As soon as he was
released, he tracked down Leo Johnson and beat him up, threatening
him thus: ``I told you to mind the store, not open your own
franchise... Clean up your act or you'll watch me take apart your
chippy [Shelly] before I kill you.'' Hank is now involved in some
way with Josie Packard. Sheriff Truman, who doesn't believe that
people can change, is keeping a wary eye on Hank.
Dr. William Hayward
Donna's father and the local GP. Dr. Hayward has been helping
Cooper and Truman with various minor forensics aspects of the
case, and also helped to nurse Waldo the mynah bird back to
health. Dr. Hayward delivered Laura at birth, and was too upset
to perform an autopsy at her death, objecting to Albert's cold
professionalism in the matter.
Eileen Hayward
Donna's mother, wheelchair-bound.
Donna Hayward
Possibly Laura's best friend, and also close to James Hurley. She
and James, with the help of Madeleine, are now intently searching
for clues regarding Laura's murder. A while ago, Donna was
approached by Audrey Horne, who wanted more information about
Laura in *her* own search for clues. Donna reluctantly agreed to
help, but she and Audrey have not communicated since then. Donna
was surprised when Sarah Palmer revealed her vision of a gloved
hand digging a necklace out of the ground; Donna and James
returned to the site where they secretly buried Laura's necklace
and, sure enough, found it missing. When we last saw Donna, she
and James had just entered Jacoby's apartment searching for his
Laura-tape, after luring him out of the apartment by tricking him
into believing that Laura was still alive (Madeleine, Laura's
lookalike cousin, dressed as Laura and sent Jacoby a videotape).
Harriet Hayward
Donna's sister (?).
Mike Nelson
A friend of Bobby Briggs. Mike and Bobby have had drug dealings
with Leo Johnson. They owe Leo $20,000; $10,000 of which Bobby
already gave him, and the other $10,000 of which he had given to
Laura before she died, and which was found in Laura's safe-deposit
box. Leo threatened the two of them for the money, and Mike was
terrified. He said, "I'm outta here," and we haven't heard from
him since.
Maj. Garland Briggs
Bobby's father, a retired (?) Air Force officer. Major Briggs is
aware that his son has gone bad, and repeatedly tries to instill
wisdom in Bobby (in vain). Most recently, he took Betty and Bobby
to Dr. Jacoby for family counselling, which (so far) has been
inconclusive.
Betty Briggs
Bobby's mother, a plastic apple-pie Donna-Reedite who sees her a
family through rose-colored glasses, preferring to ignore the
chaos that really exists.
Bobby Briggs
Twin Peaks' ``bad boy.'' Bobby is a football player, a small-time
drug dealer in an uneasy alliance with Leo Johnson, a former lover
of Laura's, and currently in an affair with Shelly, Leo's wife.
Bobby and his friend Mike Nelson worked together with Leo, and
owed him $20,000. Half of that money Bobby already gave to Leo,
and the other half he gave to Laura before she died, and was found
in Laura's safe-deposit box by Cooper. When Leo demanded his
money, Mike, terrified, disappeared. Bobby has been having an
affair with Shelly (Leo's wife) for a while and was cheating on
Laura. Bobby and Shelly are frightened of what would happen if
the violent Leo should discover their affair. Thus, when Shelly
mentioned Leo's bloody shirt to Bobby, Bobby thought that it could
be used to implicate Leo in the death of Laura, and with Leo in
prison he and Shelly would have nothing to fear. Bobby planted
the bloody shirt in Jacques Renault's apartment, where it was
discovered by Cooper et. al. (They discovered Leo's initials in
the shirt, and the blood -- type AB negative -- didn't match
Laura's, but *did* match Jacques'.) At Laura's funeral, Bobby
began ranting about how everyone knew Laura was in trouble, and no
one did anything to help her. He seems to have been deeply
affected by her death. Also at the funeral, Bobby confronted
James Hurley, who he had recently discovered was another lover of
Laura's. He threatened to kill James and had to be restrained
from fighting with him. When Major Briggs took the family to Dr.
Jacoby for counselling, Jacoby asked to be alone with Bobby. Once
alone, he vigorously interrogated Bobby about Laura, using
information about him that Laura had told Jacoby in confidence.
(``Bobby, what happened the first time you and Laura made love?
Bobby, did you cry? And did she laugh at you?'') Jacoby said
that he understood Laura's desire to corrupt people, and Bobby
explained that Laura had told him that she views herself as
essentially bad, and that while she tries to do good things, she
always feels like she's pulled back down to hell. Bobby also told
Jacoby that it was Laura that got him involved in coke-dealing.
Recently, Bobby spoke to Shelly about standing up to Leo (who
routinely abuses her), and Shelly pointed out that she keeps a gun
in case things get out of hand. Shortly after this, Shelly
actually did shoot Leo, wounding him in his left arm. Leo fled
and staked out his house, then saw Bobby arrive the next day and
deduced his affair with Shelly. He was prepared to shoot Bobby
but had to leave when he discovered that Waldo, the mynah bird,
was about to give the police some sort of evidence. Shelly told
Bobby that she had shot Leo and that she now fears for her life,
and Bobby promised that ``Leo Johnson is history... Bobby's gonna
take care of everything.'' Meanwhile, Bobby followed James, first
to his meeting with Donna and Madeleine (where they made the
videotape with Madeleine looking like Laura), then to Jacoby's
apartment. When James and Donna went into Jacoby's apartment,
Bobby placed a bag of white powder (coke? sugar?) into the gas
tank of James' motorcycle.
Leo Johnson
A despicable man involved in all manner of illegal activities.
Leo is a murderer, a drug-runner, an arsonist, and a wife-beater
(to name a few). Leo lives with his wife, Shelly, and has only
recently learned of her affair with Bobby Briggs. Leo drives a
tractor-trailer named ``Big Pussycat,'' which appeared in a
photograph on the same page of ``Flesh World'' as Laura's and
Ronette's ads. Leo and Jacques Renault are known to have been
with Laura on the night she died. After Laura's death, Leo
returned home with a pile of laundry that he commanded Shelly to
wash. Among the laundry was a blood-soaked shirt, which Shelly
hid. (When Leo discovered the shirt missing, he beat Shelly with
a makeshift blackjack -- a bar of soap in the end of a sock.)
Leo's house is littered with the same sort of plastic sheets that
Laura's body was wrapped in when she was found. Leo has some sort
of shady business alliance with Jacques Renault. Jacques, Leo,
Ronette and Laura were all at Jacques' cabin on the night Laura
died; so was Jacques' pet mynah bird, Waldo. Leo murdered
Jacques' brother Bernard out of fear that Bernard would talk about
their dealings. In addition to his truck, Leo also drives a
pickup and a red Corvette. (When Dr. Jacoby was interrogated by
Cooper, Jacoby mentioned that on the night following Laura's
death, he followed a red Corvette to the Old Mill Road, then lost
it.) On the night of Laura's death, Leo called his wife, claiming
to be in Butte, Montana. Leo has been hired by Ben Horne to burn
down the Packard Mill; when they met to discuss the arrangements,
Leo revealed to Ben that he had murdered Bernard. When Leo
returned from his most recent trip (he seems to take several,
possibly running drugs with his truck), he was first met by Hank,
just paroled from prison, who beat him up and threatened him (vide
supra); then he went indoors and angrily demanded a beer from
Shelly, who, after being hurled to the ground, shot Leo, wounding
him in his left arm. Leo retreated to the woods behind the house
and watched Bobby Briggs arrive the next morning. Deducing the
affair between Bobby and Shelly, Leo prepared to shoot Bobby when
he re-emerged. However, he then heard Lucy's voice on the police
scanner talking about the capture of Waldo, the mynah bird.
Afraid that the police might learn something damaging from Waldo
(mynah birds mimic human voices), Leo went to the sheriff's
station and shot Waldo through a window (but not before Cooper's
voice-activated tape recorder picked up some of Waldo's
chatterings).
Shelly Johnson
Leo's beaten wife, currently having an affair with Bobby Briggs.
Shelly works as a waitress at the RR Diner. Shelly dropped out of
the eleventh grade to marry Leo, at which time she claims he was
sweet and loving. Now, however, she has nothing but hatred for,
and fear of him. After a ``pep talk'' from Bobby, Shelly stood up
to Leo when he shoved her, and as he angrily advanced on her, she
shot him in the arm. She is now hiding in her house, certain that
Leo is waiting outside to kill her. She hysterically explained
the situation to Bobby, who promised to protect her from Leo.
Jacques Renault
A bartender at the Roadhouse bar, and a blackjack dealer at
One-Eyed Jack's. Jacques Renault is a business confederate of Leo
Johnson's. It was Jacques' log cabin where he, Leo, Laura and
Ronette were involved in unknown activities the night Laura died.
Jacques is a Canadian national who works as a logger on the
American side of the border. He fled Twin Peaks when he
discovered that the Bookhouse Boys were interrogating his brother,
Bernard, about Laura. Most recently, Jacques was seen dealing
cards to Cooper, who, along with some other Bookhouse Boys, are
undercover at One-Eyed Jack's.
Bernard Renault
Jacques' brother. Bernard was also involved in some way with Leo.
Bernard was captured by the Bookhouse Boys and was interrogated
about his connection with Laura Palmer and whether he'd ever dealt
coke to her. Bernard was murdered by Leo when Leo feared that
Bernard would ``talk.''
Dr. Lawrence Jacoby
Laura's psychiatrist (and possibly lover) is a bizarre man. He
wears glasses with colored lenses: One red lens, one blue lens.
He did not attend Laura's funeral and, afterwards, encountered
Cooper, saying that he felt like a terrible person (presumably not
just for missing Laura's funeral). In a private moment, we saw
Jacoby alone at home, wearing headphones, listening to a tape made
by Laura on the night she died (``I feel like I'm gonna get lost
in the woods again tonight...''), and extracting half of a
broken-heart sweetheart's necklace from a coconut shell. Jacoby
was interrogated by Cooper, but was reticent to discuss Laura
because of doctor-patient confidentiality ethics. He did claim,
however, two things: He was not one of the three men with whom
she'd had sex on the night she died; and on the night following
her death, he followed a red Corvette to the Old Mill Road, where
he lost it. He told Cooper that ``Laura had seeeecrets,'' and
that in his six months counselling her he had been utterly unable
to penetrate the wall she had built around herself, for which he
considers himself an abject failure. He stated that his own
personal investigation will be ongoing for the rest of his life.
On another occasion, Jacoby was visited by the Briggs family for
family counselling. He spoke to Bobby alone and caused him to
break down (vide supra). Most recently, Jacoby received a phone
call and a videotape from Madeleine, made up to look like Laura
and using phrases that Madeleine heard Laura use in the tapes they
found. Jacoby is skeptical but decides to meet ``Laura.''
Margaret (``Log Lady'')
Margaret is a lady who goes nowhere without cradling a log in her
arms. (Cooper: ``Who's the lady with the log?'' Truman: ``We
call her The Log Lady.'') She often speaks to the log, and the
log often ``speaks'' for her. Some time ago, she approached
Cooper, urging him to ask her log about Laura's death. Cooper,
feeling silly, declined. However, during their search for
Jacques' log cabin, Cooper, Truman, Hawk and Doc Hayward
encountered the Log Lady again. She invited them in, and then the
log gave its testimony (speaking through Margaret). The log's
testimony was typically cryptic (vide infra).
Emory Battis
Emory Battis is the general manager of Horne's department store.
When Ben secures a job there for Audrey, she is sent to speak to
Emory. Emory says that, in accordance with her father's wishes,
she is to start small and work her way up. He has a position for
her in gift-wrapping. Audrey, intent on working behind the
perfume counter, makes her wishes known to Emory, threatening that
if he doesn't let her work the perfume counter, she'll tear her
dress and scream. Emory assents. Later, after Audrey has been
working the perfume counter for a while (and offending customers),
Emory asks to speak to her coworker in private. Audrey eavesdrops
and hears Emory telling the other girl that the people at One-Eyed
Jack's were pleased with her, and that she should call Black Rose,
the One-Eyed Jack's madam, about the possibility of a job as a
``hospitality girl.'' It is from this conversation that Audrey is
able to get Blackie's phone number.
Mr. Neff
Mr. Neff is the insurance agent who, either because he's very
cautious or because he detected a possible fraud, brought the new
life insurance policy to Catherine for her to verify. In so
doing, he alerted Catherine to the fact that Ben and Josie were
scheming against her. Catherine, sensing a possible ally in Neff,
asked him if he was an ambitious man, to which he knowingly
replied in the affirmative.
Mr. Gerard (``the One-Armed Man'')
Because a one-armed man figured prominently in Cooper's dream,
Cooper and Truman assign Hawk to track down a real one-armed man
who had been seen hanging around the hospital. When he is finally
found, he turns out to be a timid, frightened shoe salesman. In
Cooper's dream, the one-armed man is named Mike, and his friend,
the killer, is named Bob. Cooper asks Gerard whether he has a
friend named Bob, and Gerard names Bob Lydecker, a local
veterinary doctor, as his best friend in the world.
Waldo the Mynah Bird
Waldo is Jacques' pet mynah bird. Cooper et. al learn of Waldo's
existence by confiscating and scrutinizing the files of Dr.
Lydecker. (Several animal bites on Laura's body were determined
to have been inflicted by a bird, either a mynah or a parrot.)
They find Waldo in Jacques' cabin, where they also find many other
items of corroborating evidence. They bring the starved,
dehydrated bird back to the sheriff's station, where they hope
that, with its return to health, it will mimic the voices of the
visitors to Jacques' cabin. Cooper leaves his voice-activated
tape recorder near Waldo while they wait for the bird to
recuperate. Waldo begins to speak, but is shot by Leo before he
can say very much.
Dr. Bob Lydecker
A local veterinarian. Dr. Lydecker has been in poor health
lately, which explains Mr. Gerard's frequent visits to the
hospital. Dr. Lydecker's files were impounded by Cooper after
several indications that there was a connection between Dr.
Lydecker, and ``Killer Bob'' from Cooper's dream. (``Harry, as
sure as the signs on the highway, the bird that attacked Laura
Palmer is a client of this office.'') Cooper gives Lucy the job
of finding a pet in the files that is either a parrot or a mynah
(Laura's body exhibited bird bites inflicted by one of those two
kinds of birds), and Lucy finds a mynah bird in the files named
Waldo, owned by Jacques Renault. This double coincidence prompts
Cooper and Truman to investigate Jacques' apartment.
``Killer Bob''
A bizarre man, long-haired and appearing to wear a crown of thorns
or somesuch, who has appeared in two separate psychic incidents.
First, Cooper dreamed of Killer Bob, who promised to kill again.
Later, Sarah Palmer saw Killer Bob for an instant at the foot of
Laura's bed. When Andy rendered a police sketch of Killer Bob
from Sarah's description, Cooper confirmed that it was the same
man from his dream. (``I had an intuition that Sarah Palmer's
vision was linked to my dream.'') The drawing does not resemble
anyone in Twin Peaks, including Dr. Bob Lydecker.
``Man From Another Place''
The ``Man from Another Place'' is the dwarf from Cooper's dream.
He first appears with his back to Cooper, vigorously rubbing his
hands together. He then issues a series of confounding statements
in badly garbled English (vide infra).
Black (``Blackie'') Rose
Blackie is the madam at One-Eyed Jack's. Most recently, she was
hesitant to hire Audrey, but relented after Audrey demonstrated
her ability to tie a knot in a cherry stem with her tongue.
RUNNING THEMES
Birds
Birds seem to play a major role in the more metaphysical aspects
of this story. In Cooper's dream, there is the shadow of
something resembling a bird moving across the red curtains. When
James and Donna discover that the necklace is missing from the
woods, an owl that has been watching them hoots ominously. The
Log Lady's speech is littered with frightened references to owls
(``The owls won't see us in here''; before Laura's death ``the
owls were flying,'' afterwards ``the owls were silent.'') When
the dwarg speaks in Cooper's dream, he says, ``Where we're from,
the birds sing a pretty song.'' Finally, there is the crucial
testimony given by Waldo, the mynah bird, prior to its death.
``Invitation to Love''
All of the residents of Twin Peaks watch TV, and no one watches
anything but the cheesy soap-opera, ``Invitation to Love.'' The
events in ``Invitation to Love'' often seem to closely parallel
the events in Twin Peaks itself. While Leland is watching the
opening credits (``starring [so-and-so] as Emerald and Jade [the
identical twin sisters]''), Madeleine (Laura's ``twin'') makes her
first appearance. While on ``Invitation to Love,'' Emerald plots
to steal the Towers from her sister Jade, Catherine plots to get
the Mill away from her sister-in-law, Josie. When ``Montana''
beats up ``Chet,'' Hank beats up Leo. When ``Chet'' shoots
``Montana,'' Shelly shoots Leo. When ``Jade'' is asked to toast
old friends, Jacoby gets a call from the long-dead Laura (actually
Madeleine). And on and on...
Duality
There is a strong sense of twins, doubles, etc., in Twin Peaks;
and usually, we only see one of the pair while the other is simply
implied. There is, first of all, the town's name (and in the
opening credits, we only see one peak). There's Nadine's eyes,
one hidden by a patch; Laura's lookalike cousin; the one-armed
man's one arm; the twin sisters Emerald and Jade on ``Invitation
to Love''; the double-three domino carried around by Hank; the
other murder of a girl, a year earlier; and many other suggestions
on this theme.
The Bookhouse Boys
The Bookhouse Boys is an underground organization consisting of
the members of the sheriff's department and some other local
citizens such as Ed Hurley. Truman explains to Cooper that the
Bookhouse Boys have existed for a very long time in Twin Peaks, to
combat ``the evil presence in the woods.'' The Bookhouse Boys are
not above going slightly outside of the law. Thus, when Cooper
decides that a trip to One-Eyed Jack's is in order, he suggests
that it is a job for the Bookhouse Boys (since One-Eyed Jack's is
in Canada, and out of their legal jurisdiction).
Traffic Lights
Presumably for effect, the viewer is often shown a shot of a
particular intersection in Twin Peaks; it is deserted, and the
traffic light becomes red as we watch. Shots of this traffic
light appear after important new revelations.
CLUES
Murder Evidence
Laura's body was found wrapped in plastic at the river's edge by
the Packard Mill. The letter `R' was under the fingernail of her
ring finger; the letter `T' appeared under the fingernail of the
previous year's victim, Teresa Banks. Laura had multiple shallow
wounds about her neck and shoulders; these were determined to be
the work of a bird, either a mynah or a parrot (and probably the
work of Waldo). Laura's death was caused by loss of blood due to
multiple wounds, not from any single physical trauma. Laura's
half of a broken-heart sweetheart's necklace was found on a mound
of dirt in the railroad car. At the base of the dirt mound was a
piece of paper with these words written in blood: ``Fire, walk
with me.'' A piece of plastic bearing the letter `J' was found in
Laura's stomach; this was determined to be a fragment of a poker
chip from One-Eyed Jack's. Laura died in the boxcar of a train.
She had had sex with three men on the night she died. Particles
of heavy-duty soap were found on the back of her neck (Albert
believes that the killer washed his hands, then leaned in for a
kiss, holding Laura's head up by the back of the neck). On two
separate occasions on the night she died, Laura had been tied up;
once at the wrists, and once by her upper arms (tied behind her
back, which Cooper notes corresponds to ``sometimes my arms bend
back'' [vide infra]).
Ronette was discovered, badly beaten and bearing two cigarette
burns, wandering in a daze along some railroad tracks. She
repeatedly muttered, ``Don't go there'' before she lapsed into a
coma. She had been raped.
Laura's Diary
Laura kept a diary which Cooper examined. February 5th (several
weeks before the murder) was marked as ``day one,'' but we don't
know what it is day one of. The last entry in the diary said,
``Nervous about meeting J. tonight.''
Tibetan Rock-Throwing
Cooper takes the sheriff's staff into the woods, where he explains
a dream he had causing him to a) become moved by the plight of the
Tibetan people and of the Dalai Lama, and b) gain intuitive
knowledge of a deductive technique involving mind-body
coordination. That having been said, Cooper lists every known
Twin Peaks resident whose name starts with J (according to Laura's
diary entry); and while Lucy calls out the names, Cooper hurls a
rock at a distant bottle for each name. The bottle is knocked
over, but doesn't break, when Dr. Jacoby's name is called. The
bottle shatters when Leo Johnson's name is called.
Cooper's Dream
One night shortly after arriving in Twin Peaks, Cooper had a
bizarre dream from which he awoke certain that the dream contained
the solution to the mystery, but in code. ``Break the code, solve
the crime.'' Some pieces of the dream-code have already been
broken. Here is an outline of the dream's events:
Cooper is an old man sitting in a room surrounded with red
curtains. In a corner is a man with his back to Cooper,
shaking vigorously and faintly calling, ``Laura... Laura...''
[NOTE: Waldo says ``Laura... Laura...'' in a way vaguely
reminiscent of this.]
Sarah Palmer descends the stairs in her house in slow motion.
In the background, a fan is spinning.
There is a bright flash.
There is a bloody rag on a table in the boxcar of the train.
Laura's dead body is seen.
A one-armed man speaks: ``Through the darkness of future
pasts, the magician longs to see/One chance odds between two
worlds, fire, walk with me. We lived among the people. I
think you say `convenience store.' We lived above it. I mean
it like it is, like it sounds. [NOTE: When the real one-armed
man led Cooper et. al to Bob Lydecker's animal clinic, they
discovered that is was indeed above a convenience store; and
that the store sold Finley's Fine Twine, one of the two kinds
of rope used to bind Laura on the night she died.] I too have
been touched by the devilish one. Tattoo on the left
shoulder. [The real one-armed man had a tattoo on the arm he
lost, which read, ``Mom.''] Uh, but when I saw the face of
God, I was changed! I took the entire arm off. [The real
one-armed man lost his arm in a traffic accident.] My name is
Mike, his name is Bob.''
``Killer Bob'' now appears. There is some sort of quipment
hanging on a wall behind him. ``Mike! Mike! Can you hear
me? Catch you with my death bag! You may think I've gone
insane, but I promise I will kill again.''
In the boxcar, a ring of twelve candles around the dirt mound
are blown out (by the wind?).
Back in the red-curtain room. The man in the corner is still
jittering oddly, but now quietly. There is a couch with tall
lamps at either end and a Greek statue behind it. Laura
Palmer sits on the couch. Cooper faces the man and Laura.
The man turns to face Cooper and we see he is a dwarf.
DWARF: Let's rock!
The speech of the dwarf and Laura is oddly garbled (subtitles
were necessary to understand what they were saying, though
some words were intelligible). A shadow (of a bird) glides
across the red curtains. The dwarf sits on the couch, on the
opposite end from Laura.
DWARF: I've got good news. That gum you like is going to
come back in style. (Looks at Laura, then Cooper.) She's
my cousin. But doesn't she look almost exactly like Laura
Palmer?
COOPER: But it is Laura Palmer. (To Laura.) Are you
Laura Palmer?
LAURA: I feel like I know her [NOTE: This line was echoed
by Madeleine when talking to James and Donna about her
relationship with Laura], but sometimes my arms bend back.
[NOTE: When Albert described how Laura had been bound --
her upper arms tied behind her back -- Cooper suspected
that this was the meaning of ``sometimes my arms bend
back.'']
DWARF: She's filled with secrets. [This sentiment, in
almost the same wording, has been echoed by Jacoby,
Audrey, and others.] Where we're from, the birds sing a
pretty song and there's always music in the air. [When
Cooper et. al find the red-curtain cabin (Jacques' log
cabin), there is a phonograph endlessly repeating a song.
There are also owls about, according to Margaret, and they
find Waldo there.]
The dwarf stands up and begins to dance to eerie music. Laura
stands, walks over to Cooper, kisses him, then whispers in his
ear. At this point, Cooper woke up.
The Log Lady
The second time that Cooper, et. al, encounter Margaret (the Log
Lady), the log is ready to speak about what what it saw the night
Laura died. Here is a transcript of that scene (transcript
courtesy of Dave McIntyre (mcintyre@turing.cs.rpi.edu):
(Cooper, Truman, Hawk, and Doc Hayward, searching for Jacques'
log cabin, happen upon Margaret's cabin first. She meets them
outside.)
MARGARET: About time you got here. They move so slowly when
they're not afraid. Come on then; my log does not judge.
(They enter the cabin.) I've got tea. I've got cookies. No
cake.
COOPER: Well that's very kind of you, but I don't believe that
we-- (Hawk motions him to be silent.)
HAWK: What kind of cookies?
MARGARET: Sugar. The owls won't see us in here.
DOC: A cup of tea would be very nice.
(Cooper gives Truman an exasperated look; Margaret notices.)
MARGARET: Shut your eyes and you'll burst into flames.
TRUMAN: Thanks, Margaret.
(They all sit.)
MARGARET: We'll let it steep. (Cooper reaches for a cookie.
Margaret slaps his hand.) Wait for the tea! The fish aren't
running.
TRUMAN: You've been expecting us, Margaret.
MARGARET: You're two days late. But that's your concern. My
log saw something. Something significant.
COOPER: What did your log see?
MARGARET: Tea first. Then be ready. (She pours.)
TRUMAN: Thank you.
MARGARET: My husband was a logging man.
COOPER: Oh?
MARGARET: He met the devil. Fire is the devil hiding like a
coward in the smoke.
DOC: It was the day after the wedding, wasn't it, Margaret?
HAWK: The wood holds many spirits, doesn't it, Margaret?
(Margaret picks up the log.)
MARGARET: You can ask it now.
(Cooper looks uncertain. Truman nods at him [``Go ahead.''])
COOPER: What did you see that night, the night Laura Palmer
was killed?
MARGARET: Shhh. I'll do the talking. Dark. Laughing. The
owls were flying. Many things were blocked. Laughing. Two
men, two girls. Flashlights pass by in the woods over the
ridge. The owls were near. The dark was, was pressing in on
her. Quiet then, later footsteps. One man passed by.
Screams, far away. Terrible. Terrible. One voice--
COOPER: Man or girl?
MARGARET: Girl. Further up, over the ridge, the owls were
silent.
The Red-Curtain Cabin
While searching Jacques' apartment, Truman finds a receipt for a
large amount of heating oil. ``Why would an apartment dweller
like Jacques Renault buy fifty gallons of heating oil?'' Cooper
indicates a photograph of a log cabin with red curtains. ``To
heat a log cabin... red curtain, from my dream...'' They set off
in search of Jacques' cabin. En route they encounter Margaret
(vide supra). When the find Jacques' cabin, there is a phonograph
endlessly playing the same record over and over (``...there's
always music in the air...''). Inside, they find:
Waldo, the mynah bird;
A patch of blood on the floor;
A roll of twine;
A camera with an undeveloped roll of film [only one exposure
was used, and was a picture of Waldo, juxtaposed in some
way with a portion of what looks like Laura];
The One-Eyed Jack's poker chip, a piece of which was found in
Laura's stomach.
Waldo
Waldo was taken back to the sheriff's station in the hope that,
once his health returned, his natural urge to mimic human voices
would return. Cooper left his voice-activated tape-recorder near
Waldo in case he should speak while they were not around. Here's
what the tape recorder picked up before Waldo was shot by Leo:
(Cooper winds the tape back some after discovering Waldo's
death)
...Birdy birdy birdy. Want some orange? Come on, let's
share...
(Cooper rewinds the tape some more)
Hello Waldo. (Wolf whistle.) Laura? Laura? (Wolf
whistle.) Don't go there! Hurting me! Hurting me!
Stop it! Stop it! Stop it! Leo, no! Leo, no!
-----cut here-----
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Icelanders + format change raveling@isi.edu (Paul Raveling) 1990-05-23 09:13
The Icelanders are genuine. They're real folks from Iceland, speaking and singing in their native language. (... forgot to mention that in summarizing things learned from Scott Frost on Sunday) In answer to some email inquiries and obvious concern in many postings, I'll try to inquire into the business about more "encapsulation" next season -- whether they foresee a problem with ABC meddling with the show, how they might handle any format changes, and such stuff. Please be aware that it may be impossible to get very much info because they keep a pretty tight lid on leaking things about future developments. Even Scott's wife, Valerie, doesn't know who killed Laura! Also, we may be out of touch for >1 week. I suspect Scott will be unreachable tonight, probably watching the last episode from Mark's place. If we miss reaching him by phone Thursday night, I'll be leaving town on Friday for the weekend, while Scott & Valerie leave on Sunday for a vacation week in Utah. So don't be surprised if there's an 18-minute gap (or more) in whatever info I can gather. ---------------- Paul Raveling Raveling@isi.edu[src]
Re: Snow raveling@isi.edu (Paul Raveling) 1990-05-23 09:37
In article <5982@scorn.sco.COM>, davidbe@sco.COM (The Cat in the Hat) writes: > > > > Yo! Dig what mbarnett@cs.utexas.edu (Michael Barnett) sez: > > -In article <1745@engage.enet.dec.com> rosch@cpdw.enet.dec.com (Ray Rosch) writes: > > ->Question - Why no snow on the ground? Probably the main reason is that the Washington scenes were shot in autumn of '89, before the arrival of winter storms. Snoqualmie Pass does get a lot of snow in the winter. I presume that both the highway and the railroad still have long sections of snow shed. > > -this would help in placing twin peaks near the western edge of washington. > > -since washington is next to the ocean, it is in fact relatively rare for > > -there to be snow at all. > > > > In that case, where are they getting all those clear nights? All of Washington, even the Puget Sound area, usually gets some severe clear days in the winter. February is a prime month to get winter storms going through, and the air mass that follows each cold front is generally crystal clear. Outside of winter, they do luck out sometimes. In my 9 years in Seattle there were 2 or 3 that had genuine sunny summers. On the other hand, there was one year that had (by my count) a grand total of 5 clear days. > > My guess > > is that if it's Washington, it *has* to be the eastern border, but more > > likely this whole thing takes place in Idaho. Well, a proverbial Idaho, > > since the scenery doesn't match up with the given location. That's an eminently sensible inference. If it had actually been shot in February, I think that would be the right conclusion. ---------------- Paul Raveling Raveling@isi.edu[src]
Re: A real Twin Peaks raveling@isi.edu (Paul Raveling) 1990-05-23 09:42
In article <13739@ttidca.TTI.COM>, paulb@ncc1701.TTI.COM (Paul Blumstein) writes: > > North of Los Angeles is a mountainy area called Angeles National Forest. > > There is a mountain there called, you guessed it: Twin Peaks. There's also a mountain named Twin Peaks near Snowbird, Utah -- just behind Hidden Peak, whose summit is served by the ski area's tram. A close relative in name is "Twin Peak", a mountain just west of Lake Tahoe. ---------------- Paul Raveling Raveling@isi.edu[src]
Re: What Bobby said... raveling@isi.edu (Paul Raveling) 1990-05-23 10:27
In article <11516@shlump.nac.dec.com>, boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes: > > In article <20968@boulder.Colorado.EDU>, kelley@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Kelley McDonald) writes... > > > > } The blood on Leo's shirt was Jacques Renault's. > > > > It is? No, that was Cooper's guess, based on the blood on the shirt being > > the same type as Jacques'. He isn't the only one in the world with AB-. From the way Cooper reacted I had an impression that he had some other reason to believe that the blood was Jacques', and he only regarded the blood type as confirmation of some other inference. Might Cooper be wrong? He has a damned good record for identifying people from tiny details. ---------------- Paul Raveling Raveling@isi.edu[src]
One last prediction... raveling@isi.edu (Paul Raveling) 1990-05-23 10:40
Before the final episode, I'll venture a prediction that this is Leo's last. He's been gaining too many enemies to last much longer. My wife thinks he may land in jail. I think he's going to die, but the question is how. Instead of an obvious death at the hand of an enemy, I'll bet on some ironic accident while he's trying to burn the mill. Perhaps he's attacked by an owl and falls into the blaze he just started. Or maybe the fire spreads to a tree that falls on him as the owls watch. ---------------- Paul Raveling Raveling@isi.edu[src]
Help! Recap needed. buchman@osf.org (Theresa Buchman) 1990-05-23 11:25
Could some budding Diane out there please e-mail me a summary of last week's episode. My VCR was annoyed that I went on vacation and refused to tape the show. My eternal gratitude to the one who logs this in for me! Terri B.[src]
Re: Who is the heavy breather? hannan@sco.COM (Rosebud...) 1990-05-23 11:27
In article <4aKHWau00VsnEK44U0@andrew.cmu.edu>, bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) oozed: ==> ==> Don't be so sure; I'm sure *I'm* not sure. It could easily be Leo, as i think it's leo. he's injured, and probably feeling worse as the day goes on. the other person could be the overweight jacques, but he's dealing cards at one- eyed jack's. ==> Then again, it could be Leland. If it's Leland, the plot takes an at first, i thought it was leland, but there's no evidence to suggest that he's actually _following_ madeline. when As she's leaving the house, she's not wearing her laura disguise. leland looks up, but doesn't seem to get that interested. btw, i loved the shadows in that scene. leland turns his head to the side (into the light) so that you can see it's him, then turns back forward, and the dark encompasses him. and the stuff bobby puts in james' tank definitely looks like a bag 'o coke. -- ``uh oh. there's a cowboy stuck in my programmer's reference.'' -- mattb[src]
Re: A real Twin Peaks steve@etna.stanford.edu (Steve Cole) 1990-05-23 11:35
|> |>In article <13739@ttidca.TTI.COM>, paulb@ncc1701.TTI.COM (Paul |>Blumstein) writes: |>> North of Los Angeles is a mountainy area called Angeles National Forest. |>> There is a mountain there called, you guessed it: Twin Peaks. |> Two hills right in the middle of San Francisco are also called "Twin Peaks". This might be the most widely-known instance of the name. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------- Steve Cole (steve@hanauma.stanford.edu, apple!hanauma!steve) Department of Geophysics, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305[src]
D. Cooper's middle initial??? gribble@cica.cica.indiana.edu (gribble) 1990-05-23 12:13
Has Cooper's middle name or initial ever been mentioned? I can't quit thinking that D. Cooper isn't a subtle dig at the FBI. Wasn't D.B. Cooper the guy who jumped out of a Northwestern plane somewhere over Washington St. w/ $200,000 several years ago? Maybe agent Cooper is actually... -- ************************************************************************ * Steve Gribble Internet: gribble@cica.cica.indiana.edu * Lead Computer Consultant swg@iumail.ucs.indiana.edu * Dept. of Sociology, Indiana University Bitnet: gribble@iubacs[src]
newgroup sl@van-bc.UUCP (Stuart Lynne) 1990-05-23 14:07
Hope this gets through. Some idiot rmgrouped us. I've sent out a newgroup so hopefully things are working again. If you want to send mail complaining about the rmgroup you can try: convex!snorkelwhacker!milton!radcom!surfer }Path: van-bc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!rex!uflorida!rice!xanth!convex!snorkelwhacker!milton!radcom!surfer }From: surfer@radcom (The Neon Surfer) }Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks }Subject: rmgroup alt.tv.twin-peaks }Message-ID: <May90.22.191602@radcom.UUCP> }Date: 22 May 90 22:16:02 GMT }Control: rmgroup alt.tv.twin-peaks }Sender: news@radcom.UUCP }Distribution: alt }Lines: 7 }Approved: surfer@radcom } } } Well, since the show ends this week any way, we may as well end the }group, too. I don't think there's going to be too much discusiion on it }during the off season any way. } } Gone to catch THE WAVE, } The Neon Surfer } Filling up his mailbox might keep him from doing anti-social things like this in the future. -- Stuart.Lynne@wimsey.bc.ca ubc-cs!van-bc!sl 604-937-7532(voice) 604-939-4768(fax)[src]
a new theory (via sf) of Invitation to Love dana@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Dana Goldblatt) 1990-05-23 14:23
Earlier posters mentioned the implication that Invitation to Love is the only TV show on in Twin Peaks, playing 24 hours a day. This brought to mind a famous science fiction story, "It's a *good* life" by Jerome Bixby. (** indicates italics, by the author) This story was adapted for the Twilight Zone movie, if anyone recalls. It's about a telekinetic, telepathic kid who plays TV for the whole town and rules it by threats (which come true). No one can be unhappy, ever. Anyway, my candidate for the kid ruling the town was Donna's younger sister, who vanished after the pilot. Laura was rebelling against her rule by being unhappy or by trying to escape. My housemate Henry suggested that Audrey Horne's retarded brother Johnny would be a better candidate. The weird nature of Laura's death lends support to this crazy theory. ------ dana@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu "...all weakness corrupts, and impotence Dana Goldblatt corrupts absolutely." Brandeis University --Spalding Gray, _Swimming to Cambodia_[src]
Re: Who is the heavy breather? bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) 1990-05-23 16:17
Kinda silly, I guess, to speculate now, with the season finale only three hours away, but here goes: hannan@sco.COM (Rosebud...) writes: > > at first, i thought it was leland, but there's no evidence > > to suggest that he's actually _following_ madeline. when > > As she's leaving the house, she's not wearing her laura > > disguise. leland looks up, but doesn't seem to get that > > interested. I happen to agree with the hypothesis (sorry, I forgot who posted it) that Leland responded to the Flesh World ad and was surprised to find that the girl on the other end was his daughter. Assuming this is correct, and assuming that Leland initially believed his daughter was as pure and innocent as she wanted people to believe, AND assuming that the discovery that Laura was prostituting herself sent Leland into a murderous rage, then I think it's plausible that, when he sees Maddie stalking out of the house, he jumps to the conclusion that she has the same habits, and the old anger rises up in him again. So he follows her. (And if it *is* Leland watching her, how do you think he'll react to her Laura outfit?) What do you think? 2 hours, 45 minutes and counting... ______________ _____________________________ Bob Glickstein | Internet: bobg@andrew.cmu.edu Information Technology Center | Bitnet: bobg%andrew@cmuccvma.bitnet Carnegie Mellon University | UUCP: ...!harvard!andrew.cmu.edu!bobg Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 | (412) 268-6743 | Sinners can repent, but stupid is forever[src]
Doughnuts, doughnuts, doughnuts: `Twin Peaks' parties waldo@tpclinic.vet.ORG (Bob Lydecker) 1990-05-23 17:00
By KEN BROWN NEW YORK (UPI) -- The computer memo appeared at the advertising firm of Chiat-Day-Mojo as mysteriously as Laura Palmer's body washed up on the lake shore in the first episode of "Twin Peaks." "This is the voice of the silent drapery runner calling all lonely log readers together on the final night," began the message, which provided clues from Agent Dale Cooper on the whereabouts of Wednesday's season finale party. The ABC series "Twin Peaks," the brainchild of cult director David Lynch, has become an obsession for fans, many of whom have not followed a television series in years, and its last episode has led many to go to extremes. "The building number is five short of the total number of days in the year," the message continued. "The street number and apartment number all contain the same digit. Put them together, add 111 and you get the sign of the devil." The culprit behind the message, Keen Wilkins, a media research supervisor at Chiat-Day-Mojo, said the party, which will be held in his apartment in the Hell's Kitchen neighborhood in Manhattan, is strictly for aficionados. "Before you gain entry, you will be quizzed on every character and plot in the show," Wilkins warned. "Don't show up without cherry pie, doughnuts or black coffee." Wilkins is not alone in his enthusiasm for "Twin Peaks" and parties ranging from the informal to the formal are being planned in Philadelphia, Washington and other cities by people thrilled by the moody series and meandering plot line. ABC has picked up "Twin Peaks" for next season but that did not diminish the suspense about the Wednesday season finale for those die-hards who wonder about the significance of the blinking traffic light, the llama, the fate of Chet, the nerdy character on "Invitation to Love," and why Audrey likes maraschino cherries. In the European version of the series, the drifter who appeared in Laura's mother's dream was fingered as the killer, but a spokesman for Lynch said Wednesday that version has nothing to do with the American series. In Wednesday's finale, one suspect was arrested and later killed, and several others -- including Agent Cooper -- were shot, burned or otherwise maimed. The mystery was no closer to resolution. The Philadelphia Inquirer features department planned a party for about 200 people dressed as "Twin Peaks" characters and walked around with fish, Washington state apples, eye patches, "damn good" coffee, logs, and slicked back hair, said Maureen Carmen, an administrative editorial assistant. Guests will write their names on the back of poker chips from the brothel-over-the-boarder, One-Eyed Jacks, and will be eligible for door prizes including little Elvises and broken hearts. "We're really crazed here," Carmen said. "I had Kona Coffee shipped in from Hawaii just for this occasion, I'm going to clean my coffee machine for the first time," said Aaron Sugarman, a senior writer at Conde Nast Traveler magazine in New York. "I was thinking I would have to get pie or doughnuts." "We would be partying because we have been watching, but our cable was cut off, which is really unfortunate because we have been missing all the last episodes of all the series," said University of Delaware senior John Kubaska, who graduates this weekend from the Newark, Del., school. The first six episodes of "Twin Peaks" have been shown on Thursday nights, and the switch to Wednesday, despite extensive publicity by ABC, has left some viewers confused. "People are coming over for a barbecue but we weren't planning on watching `Twin Peaks,"' said Fred Azcarate, program associate for the group Citizens Action in Washington. "It's tonight? I guess we'll turn it on."[src]
Re: rmgroup alt.tv.twin-peaks davidbe@sco.COM (The Cat in the Hat) 1990-05-23 17:10
Yo! Dig what gwh@OCF.Berkeley.EDU (George William Herbert) sez: -In article <May90.22.191602@radcom.UUCP> surfer@radcom (The Neon Surfer) writes: -> Well, since the show ends this week any way, we may as well end the ->group, too. I don't think there's going to be too much discusiion on it ->during the off season any way. - -Sorry for the profanity, but sending rmgroups is NOT someone's individual -perogative like this. Do not cancel alt.tv.twin-peaks, please. Profanity? I didn't see any profanity. So, just for the sake of truth in advertising, I'll use some (but only a little). I've undone the work of that stupid shit-for-brains, "Neon Surfer" thing. The newgroup for alt.tv.twin-peaks went out today, in case anyone has removed it. Discuss away; shouldn't be any problem. -- David Bedno aka dave@sco.COM: Speaking from but not for SCO. "When I look in a woman's eyes, I see the devil." - Mike Tyson[src]
Secret Societies mrm@puffin.Eng.Sun.COM (Marianne 'R' Moi) 1990-05-23 17:39
I'm 710 articles behind so forgive me if this has been gone through already. (OK I admit it, I was snobbishly not reading alt.tv.twin-peaks, jealously guarding my own beloved theories, but I broke down.) It seems to me that all the men who are objects of love belong to a secret society. And, love affairs (particularly those illicit ones) are like a secret society of 2, created between the lovers. So the whole plot is like dozens of secret societies intermingling and twining and loving each other, even, if you want to get metaphysical about it. [And this is life where life still happens, etc ...] (The nasty, unloved men are also in secret societies, I guess, if you count drug running, but it doesn't work quite because they don't love or honor or trust each other.)[src]
Twin Peaks (I'm Paul) lester@ttidca.TTI.COM (jim) 1990-05-23 19:13
Someone recently 'complained' that Lynch didn't have a character named Paul in Twin Peaks. But he does have Pete Martell (didn't he play Paul in Blue Velvet?). Peter-Paul Mounds -> Twin Peaks. Using freeze-frame in the 5/17 episode, when Audrey comes out of the closet smoking and leafs thru her boss' notebook, I noticed the name "Paula" on the first page. Does this count? TwinPeaks - Not Just Another Whodonut[src]
Twin Peaks 5/23 *SPOILERS* rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (The Veteran Cosmic Rocker) 1990-05-23 19:49
Spoilers from hell..... Ah warned ye.... Last warning Diane, it is 10:32pm EDT. Some of my worst fears have been concerned. Josie murdered her husband, and made a $90,000 agreement with Hank for him to quietly go to jail for vehicular homicide so that Josie didn't get implicated in her husband's murder. Meanwhile, Nadine has left a suicide note and is about to take a DAMN large amount of pills. Jacques has been arrested, and Andy saved Harry's life when Jacques grabbed an officer's gun. Just before he could kill Harry, Andy shot Jacques in the arm. And Laura bit the piece out of the chip. She was apparently into bondage. After hearing the tape they stole from Jacoby's office (which among other things, called James "sweet and dumb"), Donna & James are pretty sure that Jacoby really was trying to help Laura, and did not try to kill her. As Jacoby was watching the gazebo, someone in a mask jumped him and beat him... the shock bringing on a heart attack. He mumbled about seeing laura as the medicos were working on him. He's now in the hospital and will probably recover. Meanwhile, Audrey is waiting at OEJ's for the owner to show up and have some fun with the new girls.... T'will be interesting if the owner is old Ben. Bobby called the station pretending to be Leo, and told them to check out James Hurley. Oh yes - the Flesh World pictures were Laura's idea. It WAS Jacques' blood on the shirt - Leo clobbered him with a whiskey bottle. Nadine is now unconcious and near death from her OD as Ed calls the ambulence. I'll let someone else pick it up. Laura also talked (on the tape) about a mystery man with a red Corvette. So, any ideas about the unresolved stuff.... -- Rich Carreiro The Veteran Cosmic Rocker ARPA: rlcarr@athena.mit.edu UUCP: ...!mit-eddie!mit-athena!rlcarr Currently in limbo BITNET: rlcarr@athena.mit.edu[src]
Cooper is NOT dead! gary@racine.ACA.MCC.COM (Gary Knight) 1990-05-23 20:01
Cooper, as would any FBI agent, wore a bulletproof vest before entering upon his undercover mission to One Eyed Jacks. He would have put it on underneath the tux shirt. Since he was still wearing the tux when he returned to the hotel, we can assume he was still wearing the vest. Thus the shots will be ineffective. Cooper lives! To be continued . . . . -- Gary Knight Technology Strategy Section MCC gary@mcc.com 3500 W. Balcones Center Dr. phone 512/338-3694 Austin TX 78759-6509 fax 512/338-3898[src]
Twin Peaks 5/23 *MAJOR SPOILERS* rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (The Veteran Cosmic Rocker) 1990-05-23 20:06
Spoiler alert! Spoiler alert! ACK!!!!! How am I going to wait until September (or worse) to see this resolved? Well - we now know Josie killed her husband, we have Nadine very close to death, Ben Horne is about to find out that Audrey is the "new girl" and Audrey now knows that her father owns OEJ's. Ben also sucessfully got the Icelanders to sign the Ghostwoods contract. Some big news - Hank shot Leo as Leo was trying to kill Bobby. Leland killed (well maybe not, since there still might be time to revive him) Jacques Renault. And of course, WHO SHOT COOPER?! Also, does Kyle MacLachlan have a contract for next year? How is he going to survive at least 4 shots right to the chest. Of course, knowing Coop, he may have had a flak jacket on. Will Pete, Catherine, and Shelley live? Will Leo live? Let's hear some theories folks! Sigh - it's gonna be a long, long summer. :-) -- Rich Carreiro The Veteran Cosmic Rocker ARPA: rlcarr@athena.mit.edu UUCP: ...!mit-eddie!mit-athena!rlcarr Currently in limbo BITNET: rlcarr@athena.mit.edu[src]
AAAAAUUUUUUGGGGHHHHH!!! gene@uokmax.uucp (Gene Johannsen) 1990-05-23 20:22
Alright, now we have all seen it and know that we have to wait several months before we know who lives and who dies. My theories are as follows: No one survives. A bunch of new people move into Twin Peaks and no one cares who killed LP. gene[src]
Twin Peaks - Season Finale - Everybody dies and we all go home. bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU (Barry Gingrich) 1990-05-23 20:40
Good God. They shot everybody.
Mark Frost must really be into this action stuff. Didn't he write the one
where Cooper & Co. went around kicking in doors? Here's my body count,
both for this episode and for previous ones. It's incomplete. I don't care.
Jacoby: Hit, heart attack. I thought at first it was Hank who did it, but
after later stuff, I think it might have been Leland. Won't die.
Nadine: Mixing them pills. She could die, but I don't think so. If she
dies, Ed's lost his dilemma. (Granted, he gains a new guilt...)
Andrew: Hank killed him a while back. It looks pretty certain that he did it
*for* Josie. And the bucks. Always the bucks.
Jacques: He may be too stupid to lie, but he's just stupid enough to die.
Leland, Leland, Leland. What's your game? Just out to issue a
little forest justice? By doing this, you've offed a prime witness.
Maybe that's just what you wanted to happen, hmmm?
Leo: Shot by Hank, looks like he died. The Invitation to Love bit
again was apropos.
Shelley: Saved by Katherine, after some hesitation. Does she get out?
Probably.
Katherine: In a fix. She probably also gets out.
Pete: Hoo boy. I figure that Pete gets out ok. I hope so. He's one
of my faves.
Ronette: Still in a coma.
Lydecker: Still in a coma.
Waldo: Sob. Blood on the donuts.
and...lastly,
Cooper: He's gotta be alive, folks. He didn't bleed. I heard three shots,
saw two holes, and heard a body fall, but no blood. Dollars to
donuts, I'd bet our Special Agent wears a flak jacket. Of course,
the 64,000 huckleberry question is: Who did it? Looks like Leland.
Of course, there could be more than one pair of black gloves and
another black overcoat in Twin Peaks. Still, you gotta admit that
they really *want* you to think that it was Leland. Perhaps this
is a good reason to think that it wasn't. Maybe the Asian gentleman
who checked into the Great Northern last episode.
-- - Barry gingrich%tisl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu OR bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU
[src]
Cliffhanger city bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) 1990-05-23 21:09
I just wanted to be the first to say: AAAAARRRRRGGGHHHHHHHHH! Thank you. This is going to be a long, hot summer (another movie reference? :-). ______________ _____________________________ Bob Glickstein | Internet: bobg@andrew.cmu.edu Information Technology Center | Bitnet: bobg%andrew@cmuccvma.bitnet Carnegie Mellon University | UUCP: ...!harvard!andrew.cmu.edu!bobg Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 | (412) 268-6743 | Sinners can repent, but stupid is forever[src]
Re: Suspicions bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU (Barry Gingrich) 1990-05-23 21:29
In article <1671@batman.moravian.EDU> mcintyrS@batman.moravian.EDU (The Shadow Lord) writes: > > Next, I am tired of these outlandish theories regarding Laura's killer. > >Let's look at the suspects. Ok, let's... > > The least likely are as follows: > > Leland(he may have committed incest, but he's no killer.), Bzzzt! As we've seen, Leland *can* kill. Whether he killed Laura or not, well, I'm not sure. I'll try to avoid outlandish theories. > >Catherine and Tom Martell(may be an unhappy couple, but > >neither are killers of Laura--Catherine may have plotted to kill Jocie, but I > >don't think she killed Laura.), Well, Catherine and *Pete* are unhappy, otherwise, I agree with you. Pete's a pussycat, and Catherine's too damn self-centered to bother. > > Dr. Jacoby(He is the only one who truly loved > >Laura for her real self; everyone else loved the illusion of Laura, not Laura), > >James(He's too sickeningly good to have done it--same goes for Donna.), > >Cooper(He's innocent because he signed a five year contract.), Audrey(Killing > >is not eccentric enough for her.) Agreed on all points, except I think you might be selling Audrey a little short. > > The most likely are as follows: Bobby Briggs(Remember that in Cooper's > > dream, that "Robert" killed Laura.), Yeah, but I don't think Killer Bob is really gonna show up in the USA version. He was concocted for the end of the European version. I've been wrong before. Anyway, I don't think Bobby did it for the same reason I don't think Catherine did. Bobby thinks only of Bobby and how to keep Bobby out of trouble. Also, Bobby talks a damn good game, but he's all bluster. He probably couldn't really do it. > >Norma's ex-con Husband(He makes Leo look like an annoying kindergartener.), Be damn tough to kill her from inside prison. I suggest you take your own advice about not jumping to conclusions....relax, smile, have a coffee. :-) > >Norma(Her beauty masks hidden viciousness.), Nah. She seems to work the diner about 100 hours a day. > >Leo(The only way he would have killed Laura is if someone ordered him to Yup. You're right. Oh, they'd probably have to pay him, too. > > Ben Horne(Remember, Laura worked at his dept store as well as One-eyed Jack's Nah. He wouldn't get his hands dirty. He'd hire someone to do it. > >Sherrif Truman(Is he as really innocent as he seems?), Yes. I firmly believe that Harry is as innocent as he seems. Maybe more so. What evidence do you have to the contrary? Is this a hunch, perhaps? > >Naidine(She's far from being as kooky as she seems.), No. I think Nadine's truly ill. Quite the tragic character. We've seen nothing evil from her except a little well-founded jealousy toward Norma. Nope. Not Nadine. > >Josie--My favorite Suspect(She began as an > >innocent beauty; now, we learn that not only is she the lover of Ben Horne and > >Jennings, but she is plotting to kill Catherine. Whoa, now. Who says that she's Hank's lover? Who says that she's Ben's lover? Kiss on the hand doesn't equal lover. Blood pact doesn't equal lover. She's strictly business with these guys. Overactive speculation on your part. She could have killed Laura, but why? We've seen no reason for her to do so yet. > > In the future, please do not rely on Cooper's intuition to solve the crime, > >please think before you write these ill-thought theories. I recommend that you do the same. Either that, or ignore it. It's sorta fun to work on the goofy theories, too. Besides, this isn't "Murder, She Wrote" or "Nancy Drew", where you get all the clues and have to piece them together before the detective does. It's more like peeling an onion, with new and exciting possibilities etched on each succeeding layer. Relax and enjoy the ride. Have a donut. (Peeling an onion? Gack. What an awful metaphor.) -- - Barry gingrich%tisl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu OR bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU[src]
Count the cliffhangers! bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) 1990-05-23 22:40
How many reasons do we have for losing sleep all summer long?
1) Who shot Cooper?
2) What was in Audrey's note?
3) What'll happen when Ben sees the "new girl"?
4) Will Nadine survive?
5) Will Jacoby survive?
6) Will James land in jail?
7) Is Andy the father?
8) Did Leo die?
8.5) Did Montana die? ;-)
9) Will Pete survive?
10) Will Catherine survive?
11) Will Shelly survive?
12) Will Bobby be caught?
13) Will Cooper survive?
14) Who killed Laura?
15) Will Truman find out about Josie?
16) Will Andy do right by Lucy?
17) Is Josie in over her head with Hank?
18) Will Pete and Catherine reconcile?
19) Will Leland be found out?
20) Will Ronette wake up?
21) Will Norma wise up to Hank?
22) Will Cooper learn of Madeleine's existence?
23) Will Jacoby learn of Madeleine's existence?
24) Will Dr. Lydecker wake up?
25) Will "Killer Bob" reappear?
Answer: 25.
"Who killed J.R.?" can't hold a candle to this...
______________ _____________________________
Bob Glickstein | Internet: bobg@andrew.cmu.edu
Information Technology Center | Bitnet: bobg%andrew@cmuccvma.bitnet
Carnegie Mellon University | UUCP: ...!harvard!andrew.cmu.edu!bobg
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(412) 268-6743 | Sinners can repent, but stupid is forever
[src]
Re: Twin Peaks: I shot David Lynch and Mark Frost bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) 1990-05-23 22:57
abelinsk@sunee.waterloo.edu (Avi Belinsky) writes: > > I am having very serious second thoughts about bothering to watch Twin > > Peaks next season. Besides I have better things to do with my > > Saturday nights. Ah, but does your VCR? ______________ _____________________________ Bob Glickstein | Internet: bobg@andrew.cmu.edu Information Technology Center | Bitnet: bobg%andrew@cmuccvma.bitnet Carnegie Mellon University | UUCP: ...!harvard!andrew.cmu.edu!bobg Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 | (412) 268-6743 | Sinners can repent, but stupid is forever[src]
Something to think about rlr@toccata.rutgers.edu (Rich Rosen) 1990-05-23 23:07
Leland showed up (why?) at the police station and Harry told him only that a suspect was in custody for involvement in the murder of his daughter. His words (though I don't recall them exactly) were quite nonspecific; Leland asked a lot of questions but Harry refused to get into detail, saying just that the person was at the hospital. So, on this information alone, how did Leland know who the suspect was and which room he was in? Whatever ruse he concocted (setting off the fire alarm?) seemed to chase everyone away. (Even any police guarding the room?--whether there had been guards there or not, obviously there weren't any at the time Leland walked into the room.) The point? Leland would seem to have had NO way, from the information given to him by Truman, of knowing who the suspect was or where he was being kept. And yet he found Jacques and proceeded to smother him. For all he knew the suspect they had in custody was Jacoby (he might have known who Jacoby was, since he *was* treating his daughter), but it could have been ANYONE in the hospital. (Unless there was a special "police ward", but there certainly weren't any police guarding it when he showed up, were there?) So if Leland knew himself who the suspect was, this means he knew Jacques directly, and he knew him to be involved with Laura in some way that might lead him to get arrested for involvement in Laura's murder. How? My speculation is that this lends credence to the idea that Leland somehow got involved with or witnessed Laura's sexual antics with Leo and Jacques, perhaps by being the one who answered the Flesh World ad (it WAS Laura's idea to place this ad---what WAS her motivation there?), or perhaps simply by following her. Whatever the case, I am inferring that Leland could only have known that Jacques was the man in custody if he had prior knowledge about Jacques. Where he got this knowledge sounds mighty relevant to me. Furthermore, if the theory that Leland actually was the one who ultimately killed Laura (or that he was involved in some other manner) is borne out, it makes his motive for smothering Jacques a little different: perhaps he is killing Jacques to keep him quiet? (I haven't had time to review the tape, so I may have missed something glaring in whatever Harry said to Leland. I'm sure you'll all let me know if I did... :-) -- "When you told your secret name, I burst in flame and burned..." Rich Rosenrlr@toccata.rutgers.edu[src]
Re: Twin Peaks - Season Finale - Everybody dies and we all go home. gfcng@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Geoffrey Fook-chuan Ng) 1990-05-23 23:13
what about harry s truman? he's not as innocent as he looks. Look at the way he behaves with jacques (watch the dialogues closely, folks.) for all we know, it could be hst who shot cooper. but at least from this episode we get a better sense that hst isn't some purebred innocent copper dude. cooper, tho, is still impeccable and pure. and hawk. thanx to the person who clarified the one eyed jacks allusion. g/n:[src]
Agent Cooper Endorsements sl@van-bc.UUCP (Stuart Lynne) 1990-05-23 23:52
If they want to start mechandising Twin-Peaks stuff, it looks like Agent Cooper will be able to endorse the official Twin Peaks Bullet Proof Vest!! -- Stuart.Lynne@wimsey.bc.ca ubc-cs!van-bc!sl 604-937-7532(voice) 604-939-4768(fax)[src]
Alchemy: Leather Into Chain??? petersen@netcom.UUCP (Barbara Petersen) 1990-05-24 00:20
In the 5/23 episode, Donna and James find Jacoby's coconut/hiding place, and
open it to find half of the famous heart pendant. However, the pendant is on
a fine gold chain, similar to the one found on Laura's body, rather than on
a leather thong, as was the one we saw Jacoby with in an earlier episode (and
the one that somebody dug up in the woods)....
Is this just a continuity error, or might it actually be signficant? Anyone
remember which half of the pendant was on what (chain or thong), and which half
was shown in last night's episode?
---
Barbara Petersen
..{apple, claris, dlb, tandem, teraida}!netcom!petersen petersen@netcom.uucp
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
[src]
Re: Suspicions [Spoilers at end for LAURA and VERTIGO] boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) 1990-05-24 00:51
In article <1671@batman.moravian.EDU>, mcintyrS@batman.moravian.EDU (The Shadow Lord) writes... } Several Points. } First, In the 1944 film "Laura," [...] And then he proceeds to give away the entire plot of LAURA, spoiling it for anyone who hasn't seen the film. } [...] Is Madeline Laura? I'll discuss this at the end... [For the following, though I've seen the finale, I'm not basing my answers on any information shown in the finale. It only seems fair to use the same set of known data.] } The least likely are as follows: Leland(he may have committed incest, } but he's no killer.) How do you know he's no killer? } Cooper(He's innocent because he signed a five year contract.) So? Note that even though the audience may be privy to the knowledge of who killed Laura, there'd be no guarantee that the characters would find out. Cooper could well have killed Laura (though I totally disbelieve that idea) and remain unfound through the entire run of the series. } The most likely are as follows: Bobby Briggs(Remember that in Cooper's } dream, that "Robert" killed Laura.) But Cooper also said to Harry, "Different Mike and Bob." If Cooper believes that the Mike and Bob of his dream have no connection to Bobby and Mike Nelson, then there's no reason we should believe they do. } Norma's ex-con Husband(He makes Leo look like an annoying kindergartener.) And also in prison when Laura was murdered. Ironically, he's the only one in the entire cast (discounting such characters as Diane and Albert) with an iron-clad alibi (note that we have no proof that Jerry Horne was in Paris). } Sherrif Truman(Is he as really innocent as he seems?) I believe so. There's been absolutely *nothing* to suggest otherwise. } Naidine(She's far from being as kooky as she seems.) And what evidence can you present to support that statement. I believe that Nadine also is exactly what she appears to be. } Josie--My favorite Suspect(She began as an innocent beauty; now, we } learn that not only is she the lover of Ben Horne and Jennings, [...] What evidence do you have that Josie was the lover of either Ben Horne or Hank Jennings? Partners in shady dealings, perhaps, but lovers? } In the future, please do not rely on Cooper's intuition to solve the } crime, please think before you write these ill-thought theories. You should probably take your own advice. Now, as for the film LAURA.... LAURA doesn't map to TWIN PEAKS. Yes, there are parallels used as allusion. Laura Hunt was murdered prior to the start of the film, Laura Palmer was murdered prior to the start of the series. There is an omnipresent portrait of Laura Hunt in the film, there is an omnipresent photo of Laura Palmer (as Prom Queen) in the series. A character in the film is Waldo Lydecker, and two characters in the series are Waldo and Bob Lydecker. However, when Laura Hunt seemingly returns from the dead, she's not in disguise as anyone else. She appears as herself, and everyone had just assumed that the unidentifiable body (the face was destroyed beyond recognition) was Laura Hunt. In the series, the body was whole, was very much identifiable as Laura Palmer, and when "she" returns from the dead, it's in the form of a lookalike cousin. The apparent clues are misleading. Same thing with the references to VERTIGO. People were interpreting those references as: "Madeleine (V) is killed, just as Laura (TP) is. Judy (V) appears looking just like Madeleine, and Maddie (TP) appears looking just like Laura. Since Judy *was* Madeleine, and didn't really die, Maddie must be Laura, who didn't really die." My interpretation is: "Madeleine (V) really did die, and it was Judy, the person we *thought* was Madeleine, who didn't die. Thus, Laura (TP) must've really died." -- "I never use a pen. I write with a goose quill dipped in venom." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM[src]
Nadine tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) 1990-05-24 01:16
I think Nadine is one of the saddest characters imaginable. Seeing her attempt suicide was too much! I wonder if she is a patient of Jacoby's. If she survives, I guess she'll get help... she has needed it. I certainly admire Wendy Robie's talent. How many actresses could make us forget the eye patch![src]
Re: Twin Peaks 5/23 *SPOILERS* boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) 1990-05-24 01:23
In article <1990May24.024916.10406@athena.mit.edu>, rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (The Veteran Cosmic Rocker) writes... } Spoilers from hell..... } Ah warned ye.... } Last warning } Josie murdered her husband, and made a $90,000 agreement with Hank for } him to quietly go to jail for vehicular homicide so that Josie didn't } get implicated in her husband's murder. No, he took the rap for vehicular manslaughter so that *he* wouldn't be implicated for Andrew Packard's death. Unless Hank squawks, Josie's as clean as a whistle. -- "I never use a pen. I write with a goose quill dipped in venom." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM[src]
Re: Twin Peaks - Season Finale - Everybody dies and we all go home. boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) 1990-05-24 01:26
In article <873@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU>, bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU (Barry Gingrich) writes... } Good God. They shot everybody. Audrey didn't get shot, at least, not until *after* Ben sees her... :-) The Calhoun Memorial Hospital is sure doing some gangbuster business, though. } Here's my body count, both for this episode and for previous ones. } It's incomplete. I don't care. } Jacoby: Hit, heart attack. I thought at first it was Hank who did it, but } after later stuff, I think it might have been Leland. Won't die. I'm not convinced the Heavy Breather is Leland. It's not clear to me that Leland would have any reason to attack Jacoby. HB *may* have just been a random skulker in the park waiting to beat up someone, and Jacoby was handy. But maybe not. } Nadine: Mixing them pills. She could die, but I don't think so. If she } dies, Ed's lost his dilemma. (Granted, he gains a new guilt...) I don't think she'll die. } Leo: Shot by Hank, looks like he died. The Invitation to Love bit } again was apropos. I don't think he died. When Andy called Cooper at the hotel at the end, we heard his voice on the phone say, "Leo Johnson's been shot." It may be significant that he did *not* say, "Leo Johnson's been killed." But, maybe not. } Cooper: He's gotta be alive, folks. He didn't bleed. I heard three shots, } saw two holes, and heard a body fall, but no blood. Dollars to } donuts, I'd bet our Special Agent wears a flak jacket. The problem I had with that shot (so to speak) is that there was *no* visible impact force from the bullets throwing Cooper back. This would, of course, happen whether Coop had a flak jacket or not. I'm willing to give them artistic license for this, though. } Maybe the Asian gentleman who checked into the Great Northern last episode. Don't think so. There was an article posted here not to long ago mentioning that he is a detective from Hong Kong on Josie's trail. And though he wasn't shot, it looks like Bobby's little frame of James succeeded. -- "I never use a pen. I write with a goose quill dipped in venom." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM[src]
Re: Count the cliffhangers! boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) 1990-05-24 01:38
In article <kaKrDf_00Vsn0QJGY9@andrew.cmu.edu>, bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) writes...
} How many reasons do we have for losing sleep all summer long?
} 3) What'll happen when Ben sees the "new girl"?
She'll be grounded for two weeks? :-)
} 7) Is Andy the father?
Good question. His expression seemed to me to say, "But I...but we...but
how..." rather than, "Omigod, I'm a daddy..."
} 8) Did Leo die?
Nah. He's too ornery to die.
} 12) Will Bobby be caught?
Ancillary question: Did Hank notice that Bobby was there?
Will he try to hush Bobby up?
} 17) Is Josie in over her head with Hank?
Definitely. Consider: He can cover his tracks by whacking her to ensure
her silence. If he fails, she could finger him, but he could finger her
(as hiring him to kill Andrew) as well. There's nothing she can do to
ensure *his* silence except to hire someone else to kill him, and then
she'll be in over her head with *that* button man.
} 22) Will Cooper learn of Madeleine's existence?
There's no doubt in my mind that James *must* have told Cooper about
Maddie, after his being found with the coke.
} Answer: 25.
You forgot a few:
26) Who was the Third Man?
27) How did Laura and Ronnette get to the boxcar? Leo? The Third Man?
28) What is the significance of the letters under the fingernails?
29) Who assaulted Jacoby in the park?
All of the above may be related.
30) Who is the mysterious Chinese gentleman who checked into the hotel?
OK, we've already been told from another source that he's a Hong Kong
detective on Josie's trail. But the full context of his appearance hasn't
been made known to us.
31) Is Donna hiding something? If so, what?
32) How did Leland hear that the police arrested "the killer"?
I'm sure I'll think of more once I've rewatched my tape of the finale.
} "Who killed J.R.?" can't hold a candle to this...
I heard *that*.
-- "I never use a pen. I write with a goose quill dipped in venom." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM
[src]
Audrey (Re: twin peaks: crossing off names) boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) 1990-05-24 02:36
In article <9640@hydra.gatech.EDU>, gt1020a@prism.gatech.EDU (Ken Yousten) writes... } I think I have Audrey somewhat figured out now. } The one word I would use to describe her at the beginning is "bored." Yup, that's the way I figure it, too. Furthermore, I think that Audrey is probably more intelligent than anyone in Twin Peaks (maybe not Wile E. Coyote, Super-Genius, but certainly one of the higher IQ's in the town) and the reason for her boredom is that there are no intellectual challenges for there. (I've known a few people like this -- extremely intelligent, but straddling the edge between good and bad out of sheer boredom). } Her fascination with Cooper is just a fascination with something new } and different. Here, I think you're wrong. I think her attraction to Cooper is not just physical, or just because she sees him as her ticket out of Dullsville, or just because he's part of something new and different, but that she sees in him a kindred spirit, a peer, someone on her intellectual level (or above). Her problem, like so many others, appears to come from her being in what is basically a dysfunctional family. -- "I never use a pen. I write with a goose quill dipped in venom." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM[src]
Queen of Diamonds tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) 1990-05-24 02:59
Since we've had so much fun finding the movie references in TP here, I had to laugh out loud last night at the scene in One Eyed Jacks where they're pinning a huge Queen of Diamonds onto the front of Audrey's gown. Ever see THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE? -- If the human mind were simple enough to understand, =)) Tom Neff we'd be too simple to understand it. -- Emerson Pugh ((= tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM[src]
Re: Something to think about boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) 1990-05-24 03:13
In article <May.24.02.07.50.1990.10390@toccata.rutgers.edu>, rlr@toccata.rutgers.edu (Rich Rosen) writes... } Leland showed up (why?) at the police station and Harry told him only } that a suspect was in custody for involvement in the murder of his } daughter. His words (though I don't recall them exactly) were quite } nonspecific; Leland asked a lot of questions but Harry refused to get } into detail, saying just that the person was at the hospital. OK, I've only watched this once, in real time (had to come to work), but as I recall, the sequence went like this: Leland comes into the station and says to Harry, "Is it true? Have you caught the murderer?" Harry told Leland *zip*. Basically said, "I can't tell you anything right now." Then Leland sees Doc Hayward, who tells him he should be home with Sarah, and that he was going home himself. Leland then gets and odd look on his face and mutters, "The hospital!" obviously deducing from the fact that Doc was up and around in the middle of the night and at the police station, that the suspect was wounded. } So, on this information alone, how did Leland know who the suspect was } and which room he was in? A good question. -- "I never use a pen. I write with a goose quill dipped in venom." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM[src]
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh........ katefans@world.std.com (Chris'n'Vickie of Kansas City) 1990-05-24 04:05
I'm seriously in need of a new David Lynch film. It's close & getting closer, but I want to be actually walking into the theater, sitting down, tensing up as the lights go off and the previews are over and the opening music starts and the titles flash/fade/float by and....... We just had a nine-hour Twin Peaks marathon, watching everything on a 10 foot screen, leading up to the final episode of the season. We finished the first eight hours with 20 minutes to spare before the finale. After it was all over with I put on Julee Cruise and turned the channel to the Discovery channel where they were showing some nature film about Elks and there were lots of antlers and trees and brooks flowing and tall grasses blowing and Julee was singing "Falling......falling....." and it was the most wonderful thing in the universe and I really, really need a new David Lynch film (where's that copy of "Eraserhead"? and are there any video stores open so we can rent "Blue Velvet" and can we start again and do the whole Twin Peaks thing again? Yes now, why not? I don't care, Work? What's that? Oh, the thing you do to get paid so you can take care of silly little things like rent and food but they won't fire me and I'm quitting anyway and I want MORE DAVID LYNCH....!! As Leo "I used to be a jerk but now I'm a dead jerk" Johnson would say, "NOW". (Get a grip Vickie) Counting the seconds till September... Vickie (one of Vickie'n'Chris) katefans@world.std.com ps: I never did get completely caught up with alt.tv.twin-peaks but still you people have given me a wealth of insight and thoughts about the whole thing. You are all truly amazing. I salute you.[src]
Re: Count the cliffhangers! petersen@netcom.UUCP (Barbara Petersen) 1990-05-24 06:03
In article <kaKrDf_00Vsn0QJGY9@andrew.cmu.edu> bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert
Steven Glickstein) writes:
> >How many reasons do we have for losing sleep all summer long?
> >
> > 6) Will James land in jail?
> > 12) Will Bobby be caught?
Cooper should have no problem (after the bulletproof vest is revealed, of
course :-) figuring out that James was set up, once he learns that Leo was
in fact bleeding in his living room when he was supposedly making the phone
call to the station. Bobby would be an obvious suspect at that point, since
Cooper knows that Bobby hates James (from the funeral, and/or assumed given
that Laura was seeing James behind Bobby's back, which Cooper knows, and knows
that Bobby knows (y'know? :-)), and since Cooper also now knows (from talking
to Jacques at One-Eyed Jack's) that "some high school kids" were selling coke
in Twin Peaks. Whether they would have enough evidence to actually put Bobby
in jail is questionable, however.
> > 21) Will Norma wise up to Hank?
Good question. In general, I think that Hank makes a *much* more interesting
villian than Leo -- Hank is a much less *obvious* slimeball, and seemingly
can be rather charismatic when he wants to be. Even if Leo does survive his
injuries, I would guess we will see a lot less of him, and a lot more of Hank,
next season.
---
Barbara Petersen
..{apple, claris, dlb, tandem, teraida}!netcom!petersen petersen@netcom.uucp
"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate."
[src]
Re: Twin Peaks - Season Finale - Everybody dies and we all go home. bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) 1990-05-24 06:08
Excerpts from netnews.alt.tv.twin-peaks: 24-May-90 Re: Twin Peaks - Season Fin.. Geoffrey F. Ng@phoenix.P (424) > > what about harry s truman? he's not as innocent as he looks. Look > > at the way he behaves with jacques (watch the dialogues closely, folks.) Could you please be more specific? I still happen to believe that Truman is as pure as the driven snow. ______________ _____________________________ Bob Glickstein | Internet: bobg@andrew.cmu.edu Information Technology Center | Bitnet: bobg%andrew@cmuccvma.bitnet Carnegie Mellon University | UUCP: ...!harvard!andrew.cmu.edu!bobg Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 | (412) 268-6743 | Sinners can repent, but stupid is forever[src]
Re: Twin Peaks - Season Finale - Everybody dies and we all go home. bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) 1990-05-24 06:08
boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes: > > I'm not convinced the Heavy Breather is Leland. It's not clear to me that > > Leland would have any reason to attack Jacoby. Who else *would* have a reason to attack Jacoby? I can't think of anyone at all, unless the Leland-as-outraged-father-of-exploited-girl theory is correct, and Leland believes that Jacoby is the exploiter (a conclusion he may have jumped to when he thought Jacoby was clandestinely meeting Madeleine). > > HB *may* have just been a > > random skulker in the park waiting to beat up someone, and Jacoby was handy. > > But maybe not. Uh huh. Yeah. Right. Give the screenwriters some credit for not jerking around millions of fans. > > The problem I had with that shot (so to speak) is that there was *no* > > visible impact force from the bullets throwing Cooper back. This would, > > of course, happen whether Coop had a flak jacket or not. I'm willing to > > give them artistic license for this, though. Actually, when in a movie you see someone get shot and consequently get thrown backwards from the force of impact, *that's* the artistic license. From what I understand (this is *not* firsthand experience), a shooting victim generally collapses in place or even falls *forward* rather than getting thrown backwards. (I'll let you all know for sure about this when I shoot David Lynch :-). Anyway, think about it. You've got a tiny slug of metal penetrating a small area of the victim's body. Granted, it's traveling at extremely high speed when it hits, but its mass is so low that, off the top of my head, the force of impact is probably comparable to getting beaned by a line drive. If you've ever been beaned by a line drive, you know that it can *really smart*, but it doesn't hurl you backwards. ______________ _____________________________ Bob Glickstein | Internet: bobg@andrew.cmu.edu Information Technology Center | Bitnet: bobg%andrew@cmuccvma.bitnet Carnegie Mellon University | UUCP: ...!harvard!andrew.cmu.edu!bobg Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 | (412) 268-6743 | Sinners can repent, but stupid is forever[src]
Re: Alchemy: Leather Into Chain??? petersen@netcom.UUCP (Barbara Petersen) 1990-05-24 06:09
In article <12458@netcom.UUCP> petersen@netcom.UUCP (Barbara Petersen) screws
up:
> >In the 5/23 episode, Donna and James find Jacoby's coconut/hiding place, and
> >open it to find half of the famous heart pendant. However, the pendant is on
> >a fine gold chain, similar to the one found on Laura's body....
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I know, I know.... it was found in the railroad car where Laura was killed....
---
Barbara Petersen
..{apple, claris, dlb, tandem, teraida}!netcom!petersen petersen@netcom.uucp
"My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right."
[src]
Conjectures and Questions bl0r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Barton Lipman) 1990-05-24 06:50
Perhaps I'm wrong, but a few things seem obvious after the
"cliffhanger" last night:
1. Agent Cooper is alive. It's not obvious which cheap trick will be
used to justify this -- probably a bullet proof vest. Reasoning: The
show is a goner without him.
2. Jacques is probably dead. Reasoning: Why keep him around? He was
always a minor character. This way, they don't have anyone to tell them
more information. Also, it seems too silly to have him live after
the monitor seems to indicate he's dead.
3. Catherine, Shelly, and Pete are probably still alive. Reasoning: They're
too much fun to kill off. (What a line Catherine had last night: "I can't
understand you -- you have a thing in your mouth"!!)
4. Nadine could well be dead. Reasoning: She wasn't that interesting
a character to begin with. With her out of the way, the interaction
between Ed, Hank, and Norma becomes more interesting.
5. Leo ought to be dead. Reasoning: It just looks pretty stupid to
have Leo survive a second shooting, this time by a professional like
Hank. How low will these guys stoop? Besides, Hank has surpassed him
for creepiness. Also, there's too much evidence tying him to Laura's
death now. If Leo lives, Cooper will lock him up permanently and ask
him lots of questions. Too easy a source of information.
Conjectures:
1. The man who beat up Jacoby is the same man who shot Cooper. At
least, the clothing looked the same. Also, he's the only one who's
movements we know so little about.
2. The man who beat up Jacoby and shot Cooper is the mysterious "third
man" the log lady spoke of. He's probably the "real" Bob of the visions
and Laura's murderer.
3. Leland knew Laura worked at One-Eyed Jack's. He allowed her to
continue to do so, thus the guilt he now bears. This would also explain
how he knew that Jacques was the guy he was looking for in the
hospital. I doubt Leland had sex with Laura, though you never
know.
4. A wild shot: When Ben finds Audrey at One-Eyed Jack's, he reveals
that the same thing happened to Leland (i.e., he found Laura there in
a similar way).
Finally, a question: Something important doesn't yet add up in the
relationship between Ben, Catherine, and Josie. For a long time, we
all assumed that Ben was plotting with Catherine and that the purpose
of the plot was to acquire the land Josie owns. Now we know that Ben
is also plotting with Josie to doublecross Catherine. But now the
motive is not clear -- if all Ben wants is the land, why does he
need to conspire with Josie in some elaborate plot to get it?
If she's willing to do all this, why wouldn't she just sell it
to him? There must be something more to it. But what? It's
^^^^
natural to suspect that it might be tied up in Andrew's death and
the mysterious bargain between Josie and Hank, but that doesn't
clarify a hell of a lot.
Ideas?
Bart
[src]
Re: newgroup jsd@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (Croupier Salt Remainder) 1990-05-24 06:53
In article <15535@bfmny0%UUNET.UU.NET> tneff@bfmny0%UUNET.UU.NET (Tom Neff) writes: > >Save your mail. The rmgroup was clearly a forgery. The real news node > >is named 'snorkelwacker', no 'h'. Probably someone at a site feeding > >convex news got cute. Very hard to say. The letter may have been a forgery, but the rmgroup command certainly wasn't. My friend at media-lab was very annoyed because their machines actually recognize rmgroups, whereas boss machines like this one here don't. +---------------------- Is there any ESCAPE from NOISE? ---------------------+ | | |\ | jsd@gaffa.mit.edu | ZIK ZAK - We make everything you need, | | \|on |/rukman | jsd@umass.bitnet | and you need everything we make. | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+[src]
Re: Twin Peaks 5/23 michele@yunexus.yorku.ca (Michele Marques) 1990-05-24 06:58
My most major question is: was Cooper wearing a bullet-proof vest? The clip of the bullets entering his chest/vest didn't show any blood spurting out and we didn't hear him cry out or fall down -- but that could happen an instant later in next season's installment. I saw last night's show twice (first on a Canadian channel, then on a U.S.), and I think that In article <1990May24.030659.11861@athena.mit.edu> rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (The Veteran Cosmic Rocker) incorrectly attributes the shooting of Leo: Some big news - Hank shot Leo as Leo was trying to kill Bobby. The second time I saw the show I watched that window carefully. I think it was Truman who shot Leo. Besides looking like Truman (to me, at least), I doubt I mistook Hank. Hank was wearing a white sweatshirt this evening - at least when he was talking with Norma & calling Catherine to go to the mill (I don't remember about when he was with Jocie). -- Michele Marques | UUCP: ....!utzoo!yunexus!michele Help Desk, User Services | Internet: michele@nexus.yorku.ca Computing & Communications Services | Bitnet: michele@yuorion York University | Voice: +1-416-736-5800[src]
Finale P.U.!!! barger@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Jorn Barger) 1990-05-24 07:00
Does anyone else feel that last night's show was the worst stinker of the series? Can anyone cite any good lines to dissuade me? Where was the humor, where was the character? What a stupid insult to shoot Cooper at the end! I thought this was supposed to be a _parody_ of Dallas, not an homage!! Some final problems: How long was Hank in prison, anyway? Wasn't it Waldo that killed Laura, according to Albert? (numerous shallow wounds no one of which was sufficient to kill... were they _all_ mynah bites, or were some knife wounds? If they were knife wounds, their shallowness seems to implicate a physically weak killer.) When Donna and James played Jacoby's tape, wasn't the "lost in the woods" line missing? Ptooie!!![src]
Re: Twin Peaks 5/23 *MAJOR SPOILERS* jsd@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (Queen For A Lemon) 1990-05-24 07:01
In article <1990May24.030659.11861@athena.mit.edu> rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (The Veteran Cosmic Rocker) writes: > >Also, does Kyle MacLachlan have a contract for next year? He has a five year contract and is reportedly "very enthusiastic" about continuing with the show. > >How is he going to survive at least 4 shots right to the chest. Of course, > >knowing Coop, he may have had a flak jacket on. There is No Other Possibility, as Negativland would say. +---------------------- Is there any ESCAPE from NOISE? ---------------------+ | | |\ | jsd@gaffa.mit.edu | ZIK ZAK - We make everything you need, | | \|on |/rukman | jsd@umass.bitnet | and you need everything we make. | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+[src]
Re: Finale P.U.!!! barger@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Jorn Barger) 1990-05-24 07:35
One more thing: I think all these stars on the critical list is just a sleazy way to negotiate favorable contracts for next season. (If you don't sign, in September you'll be dead.)[src]
Thoughts on the 5/123 finale cate@m2.csc.ti.com (Darryl Cate) 1990-05-24 07:38
If you haven't seen the 5/23 show then *Spoilers* Well, I'm a little disappointed in last night's finale'. For one thing, I *still* don't know who killed Laura, and putting all the clues together doesn't help at all. - Ben likes his girls with their arms bent back (ref. Audrey, just about to give Dear Dad the surprise of his life) - Leland is capable of murder, efficient murder at that. - Leo is also capable of murder, but doesn't seem to have much reason to kill Laura, unless by accident. - Where do those letters under the fingernails come in ? - Which of the suspects would have kissed Laura after washing his/her hands ? Leland seems the likeliest for this, but it doesn't explain the letters under the nails. - Who disposed of the body ? Why was it done so inefficiently ? I mean, found the next day. We still haven't heard of Bernard's body being found. On some other points, I liked the interaction between Catherine and Pete. That played very real to me. I *didn't* like the way S.A. Cooper bought into Bobby's framing of James. I mean, it seems real suspicious to me, even without the extra information that we have. Maybe he was just using it to scare James into telling all he knows, but I didn't see that indicated. Of course Cooper had on his flak jacket. I also was bothered by the chain on the heart. Maybe Dr. J. changed the leather for a chain, but I don't see a good reason why. I do like the way that the characters have changed. Catherine from scheming bitch to somewhat pathetic victim; Nadine from crazy bitch to object of sympathy; Josie from innocent victim to scheming bitch. Oh well, I had hoped that someone would have figured it all out, and posted something by now. On, to one *long* summer. Darryl cate@csc.ti.com "What's up, Doc ?"[src]
Packard/Vehicular Death Connection pspod@earth.lerc.nasa.gov (Stefan) 1990-05-24 07:46
In article <11908@shlump.nac.dec.com>, boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes... > >} Josie murdered her husband, and made a $90,000 agreement with Hank for > >} him to quietly go to jail for vehicular homicide so that Josie didn't > >} get implicated in her husband's murder. > > > >No, he took the rap for vehicular manslaughter so that *he* wouldn't be > >implicated for Andrew Packard's death. Unless Hank squawks, Josie's as > >clean as a whistle. Don't quite understand this segment. Why should Hank take the vehicular manslaughter rap to clear himself OR Josie of Packard's death. I do not undersand the connection between the vehicular manslaughter and Packard's accidental death!? Can someone, PLEASE, explain.[src]
Re: Something to think about petersen@netcom.UUCP (Barbara Petersen) 1990-05-24 07:55
In article <May.24.02.07.50.1990.10390@toccata.rutgers.edu>
rlr@toccata.rutgers.edu (Rich Rosen) writes:
> > The point? Leland would seem to have had NO way, from the information given
> > to him by Truman, of knowing who the suspect was or where he was being kept.
> > And yet he found Jacques and proceeded to smother him. For all he knew the
> > suspect they had in custody was Jacoby (he might have known who Jacoby was,
> > since he *was* treating his daughter), but it could have been ANYONE in the
> > hospital.
> > [rest of several very good points deleted to save space]
Although it doesn't affect the conclusions of the article, I think Leland may
well have known more about Jacoby than just that he was treating Laura; if, as
seems likely, the "heavy breather" at the gazebo was Leland, what reason did
he have to beat Jacoby? He seemed intent on killing, or at least seriously
injuring, Jacoby, rather than simply hurting him enough to protect Madeline
from any danger he might have thought Jacoby posed to her. (In fact, didn't
the beating actually continue after Madeline had left the scene?)
---
Barbara Petersen
..{apple, claris, dlb, tandem, teraida}!netcom!petersen petersen@netcom.uucp
"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate."
[src]
Re: Conjectures and Questions (Twin Peaks) bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU (Barry Gingrich) 1990-05-24 08:00
In article <0aKyOly00WBLI0voUc@andrew.cmu.edu> bl0r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Barton Lipman) writes: > >1. Agent Cooper is alive. It's not obvious which cheap trick will be > >used to justify this -- probably a bullet proof vest. Reasoning: The > >show is a goner without him. Why is this a cheap trick? Sheesh...if I thought I might catch some bullets while working undercover, I'd sure as heck want a flak jacket. Cooper is always well prepared...though he *did* leave the earplugs behind. > >2. Jacques is probably dead. Reasoning: Why keep him around? He was > >always a minor character. This way, they don't have anyone to tell them > >more information. Also, it seems too silly to have him live after > >the monitor seems to indicate he's dead. Agreed. First Waldo, then Jacques, now Leo. And, before that, Laura and Ronette. I think that means that everybody in the cabin that night has been injured or killed. Except maybe that "third man". > >4. Nadine could well be dead. Reasoning: She wasn't that interesting > >a character to begin with. With her out of the way, the interaction > >between Ed, Hank, and Norma becomes more interesting. No, I think Nadine lives. Ed's dilemma is that he still feels something for Nadine, even if it is mostly obligation. The interaction between Ed, Hank, and Norma becomes more interesting, maybe, but the characterizations would narrow. Plus, for all her odd behavior, Nadine's actually one of the "purely good" characters. We need her to balance out the evil ones. > >4. A wild shot: When Ben finds Audrey at One-Eyed Jack's, he reveals > >that the same thing happened to Leland (i.e., he found Laura there in > >a similar way). Perhaps not such a wild shot after all. This is a pretty good hypothesis. Guess we'll have to wait and see. -- "Shut your eyes and you'll burst into flames" - Barry gingrich%tisl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu OR bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU[src]
Re: Twin Peaks _WILL_ be renewed (but should we be happy?) Jon.Webb@CS.CMU.EDU 1990-05-24 08:02
> > Excerpts from netnews.alt.tv.twin-peaks: 20-May-90 Twin Peaks _WILL_ be > > renewe.. Dave Gross@polyslo.CalPo (3017) > > Bessie Clary, who has been in charge of coordinating the various > > directors of this season's episodes, will be in charge of the new > > direction Twin Peaks will be taking next season. "We envision a more > > encapsulated version of Twin Peaks -- with a single mystery being raised > > and solved each show. Of course the strange elements will still be > > there: Lucy's remarks and Cooper's personality -- but these will take > > backstage to a more easily digestible plot." In one magazine article about ``Twin Peaks'', someone asked: ``When does `Twin Peaks' become `Two Breasts'? That's what usually happens around here.'' I guess we now have the answer: next season, thanks to Bessie Clary. -- J[src]
What were the Icelanders doing there? hardarso@unc.cs.unc.edu (Kari Hardarson) 1990-05-24 08:07
Has anyone seen a higher purpose for putting the Icelandic group in the episodes? (They were Icelandic, The songs sung were: Oxar vid ana & Nu er frost a froni). My only theory is: There is this Icelandic guy named Sigurjon Sighvatsson who is somehow linked to the production of these shows. Maybe it's his way of making his presence known, a kind of Hitchcock touch. The fact that Icelanders are in an American town to make investments is a good one, it so happens that a lot of Icelandic contemporary movies and stories are about Americans doing the same thing over there. Icelanders on the other hand do *not* have money to spend. Kari (an Icelander as it happens). Kari Hardarson 217 Jackson Circle 27514 Chapel Hill, NC[src]
Re: Twin Peaks - Season Finale - Everybody dies and we all go home. bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU (Barry Gingrich) 1990-05-24 08:10
In article <16694@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> gfcng@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Geoffrey Fook-chuan Ng) writes: > >what about harry s truman? he's not as innocent as he looks. Look > >at the way he behaves with jacques (watch the dialogues closely, folks.) I dunno. What did you see that I didn't? I saw Truman being nasty to a nasty guy, letting him know that he was in control. Justified, in my opinion, and completely in character for a good sheriff. > >for all we know, it could be hst who shot cooper. Highly highly doubtful. I'm not sure yet, but I think it could have been Truman that called Cooper. Note that Cooper is talking to someone else when Andy grabs the phone from person x and tells Dale that Leo's been shot. I tried listening *very* carefully when Dale asks "who is this?" but I couldn't tell. On reflection, though, it probably wasn't Harry, since Cooper would know Harry's voice. I still doubt strongly that Harry shot him. > >but at least from > >this episode we get a better sense that hst isn't some purebred innocent > >copper dude. I'm not sure where you get this. Please give us some evidence. Everything I've seen so far has shown Harry as a good sheriff, albeit a little naive... > >cooper, tho, is still impeccable and pure. and hawk. Yup. -- "Shut your eyes and you'll burst into flames" - Barry gingrich%tisl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu OR bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU[src]
Re: Twin Peaks - Season Finale - Everybody dies and we all go home. msmiller@gonzoville.Eng.Sun.COM (Mark Miller) 1990-05-24 08:26
In article <EaKxnYy00VsnMQjHh3@andrew.cmu.edu>, bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu
(Robert Steven Glickstein) writes:
|>Anyway, think about it. You've got a tiny slug of metal penetrating a
|>small area of the victim's body. Granted, it's traveling at extremely
|>high speed when it hits, but its mass is so low that, off the top of
|>my head, the force of impact is probably comparable to getting beaned
|>by a line drive. If you've ever been beaned by a line drive, you know
|>that it can *really smart*, but it doesn't hurl you backwards.
No, the original article was correct. Take for example the .45 Automatic
used in the service. If that hits you in the hand, it takes the rest of
your body with it. It was designed to do just this - stopping power. Now,
a .22 won't exhibit this same potential, but the pistol that was used
looked like a 9mm which certainly would.
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Twin Peaks - How did Leland know? A guess. bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU (Barry Gingrich) 1990-05-24 08:27
A guess on how Leland knew who the suspect was: Well, if he knew that there had been a suspect arrested, he probably also knew that this same suspect had been shot. He stopped off at the station to see if Harry would tell him anything more. He happened to run into Doc, who accidentally planted the idea of "hospital". Where do you take people who've been shot? The hospital. Leland is sharp enough to realize that the cops would have a guard on the suspect's door. The only other person they might be guarding up there is Ronette. So, Leland roamed the halls, or maybe asked someone at the front desk where they had the guard posted. He found the room, hit the alarm and made his move. What's got me puzzled is: How did he find out that they'd arrested a suspect? Did somebody call him from the Sheriff's office? Did he buy a scanner? What? -- "Shut your eyes and you'll burst into flames" - Barry gingrich%tisl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu OR bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU[src]
Re: Count the cliffhangers! ELE@psuvm.psu.edu (Jeremy Crampton) 1990-05-24 08:35
In article <11910@shlump.nac.dec.com>, boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) says: > > > >In article <kaKrDf_00Vsn0QJGY9@andrew.cmu.edu>, bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert > >Steven Glickstein) writes... > > > >} How many reasons do we have for losing sleep all summer long? > > > >} 3) What'll happen when Ben sees the "new girl"? > >She'll be grounded for two weeks? :-) It's my guess that she scarpered before Ben comes through the door. Remember her seamstress (the log lady's sister?:)) left through another door upon hearing Ben knock. Also it appeared that Audrey saw her father before he saw her...she drew her breathe in sharply while he was still talking lasciviously to what he thought was the new girl. It looked to me like she saw him in a mirror. -- ele@psuvm.psu.edu jeremy.. crampton@yon.geog.psu.edu[src]
Re: Conjectures and Questions msmiller@gonzoville.Eng.Sun.COM (Mark Miller) 1990-05-24 08:49
In article <0aKyOly00WBLI0voUc@andrew.cmu.edu>, bl0r+@andrew.cmu.edu
(Barton Lipman) writes:
|>Conjectures:
|>
|>1. The man who beat up Jacoby is the same man who shot Cooper. At
|>least, the clothing looked the same. Also, he's the only one who's
|>movements we know so little about.
No. I think the clothing was a ruse to get everyone thinking Leland went
after Cooper next. A few problems with this. One is motive, which he ain't
got one of. Another is that the attack on Jacoby and Renault were both
physical assaults instead of using firearms. I think Leland pounded Jacoby,
mainly because of the way that attacker moved which was real awkward. But
I don't think Leland then went after Cooper. This is probably a whole new
plot line.
|>2. The man who beat up Jacoby and shot Cooper is the mysterious "third
|>man" the log lady spoke of. He's probably the "real" Bob of the visions
|>and Laura's murderer.
The one who shot Cooper could be the 3rd person. I'm still not convinced
we know who killed Laura. All we have is circumstantial evidence which
only supports some rather kinky sessions up in the cabin with Leo and
Jacques. Frankly, I felt ripped off. With all the other things they left
hanging, it would at least have been nice to get closure on the murder.
Now Leo and Jacques are dead, which is cute in that Cooper has no way to
get any information to close this thing if they are to be the killers.
Cooper will have to start all over - once he picks the lead out of his vest.
Which I also thought was pretty tacky. They'd done so well up to the last
episode in avoiding the standard soap-opera devices. Then they blow it.
|>3. Leland knew Laura worked at One-Eyed Jack's. He allowed her to
|>continue to do so, thus the guilt he now bears. This would also explain
|>how he knew that Jacques was the guy he was looking for in the
|>hospital. I doubt Leland had sex with Laura, though you never
|>know.
Well, there were only two people in the hostpital, Jacques and Jacoby.
Leland already dealt with Jacoby and Jacques was shot, so it was a pretty
easy guess. I wouldn't be surprised to see a little incest creep into
the story. Leland is one sick puppy and probably took all kinds of subtle
abuse from Ben & Jerry.
|>4. A wild shot: When Ben finds Audrey at One-Eyed Jack's, he reveals
|>that the same thing happened to Leland (i.e., he found Laura there in
|>a similar way).
Quite possible. Keep in mind that in the 1st episode Leland and his wife
seemed to already know that something bad had happened to Laura. If they
really thought she was such a sweet-little-darlin'-angel, they probably
wouldn't have expected her to be dead the way they did. My hunch is that
somehow they found out about at least part of what she was into.
|>Finally, a question: Something important doesn't yet add up in the
|>relationship between Ben, Catherine, and Josie.
Well, Andrew is gone which gives Josie the mill. Now if they axe Catherine
in the mill fire, Josie gets the mill insurance money PLUS $1M on
Catherine's insurance. Then she can sell the land to Horne for a reasonable
price (pre-arranged to get his help carrying out the scheme) and they
all get what they want. Horne gets the land cheap and Josie is an instant
multi-millionaire. Josie wouldn't get into something like this unless
there was something in it for her: $1M plus Catherine 6 ft under sounds
like something which would get her interested up. The wild cards now are
(1) Catherine is on to them, and (2) Hank ain't as half as dumb as Josie
thought. With Hank on the scene, they can get rid of Leo's character. Leo
was just your basic thug, but Hank is really evil in that he is in control.
Well, now we have to wait all summer. I feel really cheated.
-MSM
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###################################################### - Hunter S. Thompson
[src]
Re: Some late word from the Frost folks raveling@isi.edu (Paul Raveling) 1990-05-24 08:49
In article <13535@venera.isi.edu>, raveling@isi.edu (Paul Raveling) writes: > > > > Yesterday my wife & I spent the afternoon and evening with > > Scott Frost and Valerie West (Scott's wife, my cousin). BTW, Valerie does a startling imitation of Lucy. She could easily fill in as Lucy on a phone conversation and noone would know the difference. ---------------- Paul Raveling Raveling@isi.edu[src]
Re: Twin Peaks _WILL_ be renewed (but should we be happy?) conrad@sun.udel.edu (Jon Conrad) 1990-05-24 09:32
In article <UaKzRtq00jukQwu3EI@cs.cmu.edu> Jon.Webb@CS.CMU.EDU writes: .> Excerpts from netnews.alt.tv.twin-peaks: 20-May-90 Twin Peaks _WILL_ be .> renewe.. Dave Gross@polyslo.CalPo (3017) .> direction Twin Peaks will be taking next season. "We envision a more .> encapsulated version of Twin Peaks -- with a single mystery being raised .> and solved each show. Of course the strange elements will still be .In one magazine article about ``Twin Peaks'', someone asked: ``When does .`Twin Peaks' become `Two Breasts'? That's what usually happens around .here.'' I guess we now have the answer: next season, thanks to Bessie .Clary. I guess you missed the posting late Tuesday by the person who contributed this "press release" about Bessie Clary et al. It was all a hoax, nobody ever said any of this. I took strong exception to this, as it was not identified explicitly as satire, and nothing is too preposterous to be beyond network tv people. There's no reason to think that they have any intention of changing their format in any radical way. Probably they WILL drop the "one episode = one day" format eventually, or at least allow themselves to skip days. Otherwise, as someone else noted, they would cover only 3 weeks in TP in the course of a season. (Actually, this season finale already may be considered to have abandoned that format. Rather than covering Friday, a week after the Friday Laura was killed, it began Thursday evening [that much has been done before] and never got further than 4:something Friday morning.) Jon[src]
A few more answers... raveling@isi.edu (Paul Raveling) 1990-05-24 09:36
OK, I just got off the phone with Scott Frost. The answer
to what's probably the biggest question of the day is...
1. He believes they didn't reveal who killed Laura last night
in order to give ABC a lot of incentive for renewing the show.
Something Scott didn't say but that I'd infer is that this
might also relate to budget negotiations. Apparently the
1st season's budget was somewhat austere; I suspect that
ABC proposed a modest increase in bucks per episode, but
the Twin Peaks people would be more comfortable with a
less modest increase.
He does believe the killer will be clearly revealed very
early next season, with an excellent chance that it'll be
in the 1st episode.
Answers to other questions...
2. They don't anticipate a problem with ABC interfering
in decisions of format or content -- they expect to
keep their artistic freedom.
3. A couple locations that people have inquired about
specifically:
-- The Frank Lloyd Wright house was in fact the Ennis
Brown house.
-- The rock-throwing scene was filmed in the hills
above Malibu.
----------------
Paul Raveling
Raveling@isi.edu
[src]
Re: Count the cliffhangers! (my guesses) Jon.Webb@CS.CMU.EDU 1990-05-24 09:44
1) Who shot Cooper?
I think it's the Chinese guy who checked in to the hotel last episode.
I think he was brought to Twin Peaks by Josie to deal with Cooper and
maybe Hank. But you'd have to be awfully stupid to think attempted
murder of an FBI agent is going to solve any problems -- about as stupid
as you'd have to be to do interstate transport of a woman you plan to
murder in the first place.
2) What was in Audrey's note?
She told him where she is.
3) What'll happen when Ben sees the "new girl"?
Also, who was that stitching the Queen of Hearts on Audrey? I suspect
Audrey's out of there real fast.
5) Will Jacoby survive?
Well, everybody's favorite doctor Dr. Hayward said he's out of the
woods.
6) Will James land in jail?
Nahh. James is a Bookhouse Boy, ergo good. And they know Bobby is
trying to get him in trouble.
8) Did Leo die?
I think, yes. Sure looked like he was about to, and nobody was rushing
him to the hospital -- which reminds me, who brought Jacoby in? Plus,
killing off both Jacques and Leo makes the mystery that much harder to
solve.
8.5) Did Montana die? ;-)
Sure is funny how that's the only show they ever watch in Twin Peaks,
isn't it -- and it's on 24 hours a day.
9) Will Pete, Catherine, Shelly survive?
I think, yes.
13) Will Cooper survive?
Definitely. He must have been wearing a bulletproof vest.
14) Who killed Laura?
I still think Josie -- somehow, I don't know how. And I think she made
the murder resemble the murder of Teresa Banks to mislead the police.
17) Is Josie in over her head with Hank?
Not with a hired killer from Hong Kong staying at the Great Northern she
isn't. Hank's in over his head with Josie.
One more cliffhanger:
Who attacked Jacoby in the park?
I think this is the person who killed Laura -- maybe Ninja Josie? We
sure didn't see a lot of her in the last episode, she could've been up
to a lot.
-- J
[src]
Re: Twin Peaks - Season Finale - Everybody dies and we all go home. csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave Mack) 1990-05-24 09:46
In article <873@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU> bgingric@intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU (Barry Gingrich) writes: > >Good God. They shot everybody. Could have been worse. They all could have been run down by a logging truck while going to the Mar T oops RR diner for a cup of joe and a piece of damned good huckleberry pie. > >Jacoby: Hit, heart attack. I thought at first it was Hank who did it, but > > after later stuff, I think it might have been Leland. Won't die. Right. > >Nadine: Mixing them pills. She could die, but I don't think so. If she > > dies, Ed's lost his dilemma. (Granted, he gains a new guilt...) I think she dies. Allows the writers to pit Ed against Hank for Norma's affection, with the resultant conflict between Ed and Hank. With Nadine alive and in her pathetic mental state, Ed can't do much except run the gas station and occasionally help the sheriff out. Turns him into a cameo character. On the other hand, if she does live, she'll probably be doing a fair stretch in the local mental hospital - reversing the Norma/Hank situation. > >Andrew: Hank killed him a while back. It looks pretty certain that he did it > > *for* Josie. And the bucks. Always the bucks. No question about it. > >Jacques: He may be too stupid to lie, but he's just stupid enough to die. > > Leland, Leland, Leland. What's your game? Just out to issue a > > little forest justice? By doing this, you've offed a prime witness. > > Maybe that's just what you wanted to happen, hmmm? Ay-yup. My thoughts exactly. Leland's performance in the police station was just a little too slick to be the work of a distraught father. And the bit in Jacques' hospital room with the fire alarm and the masking tape was ice cold. > >Leo: Shot by Hank, looks like he died. The Invitation to Love bit > > again was apropos. But did he kill Laura Palmer? Jacques thought so, I'd guess, and Coop does, but we really don't know. And if Leo croaks, we may *never* know. Unless Ronette comes out of her coma. > >Cooper: He's gotta be alive, folks. He didn't bleed. I heard three shots, > > saw two holes, and heard a body fall, but no blood. Dollars to > > donuts, I'd bet our Special Agent wears a flak jacket. Of course, > > the 64,000 huckleberry question is: Who did it? Looks like Leland. > > Of course, there could be more than one pair of black gloves and > > another black overcoat in Twin Peaks. Still, you gotta admit that > > they really *want* you to think that it was Leland. Perhaps this > > is a good reason to think that it wasn't. Maybe the Asian gentleman > > who checked into the Great Northern last episode. Of course, how could they possibly kill off Cooper? The question isn't whether he's alive or not, but how does he survive, how badly (if at all) is he injured, and mainly, who shot him? There are basically three possibilities: 1) The Asian gentleman. Motive? Josie's eliminating a potential threat. I find this one unlikely. 2) Leland Palmer. Even more unlikely. What's his motive? The only conceivable reason to suspect Leland is the black gloves. But where would Leland get a silenced automatic? And if he had it before, why wouldn't he use it on Jacques? Surely, no one these days believes that you can smother someone with a pillow and have it be mistaken for a natural death? 3) Benjamin Horne. My favorite suspect. He accosts Audrey at OEJ, and after some gentle pursuasion (with Blackie's help) she confesses that she is Cooper's "Special Agent", perhaps adding a few romantic embellishments. Horne, realizing that Cooper represents a serious threat to him, gets a silenced gun from Hank with the intention of pumping a few rounds into Cooper, tossing the gun over the falls, and going back to his room for a good night's sleep. He fails to take Coop's kevlar underwear into account. In which case, we can assume he's wearing a mask. Cooper gets knocked on his ass by the impact of the slugs, maybe gets a couple of broken ribs (not unusual with Kevlar vests), the shooter takes off, and Cooper crawls back to the phone to inform Andy that he's just been shot. The shooter is either a throwaway character who will be disposed of in the next season premiere or a major character who will somehow get away with it, giving Coop something else to investigate. If it's a throwaway character, they're going to have to come up with some sort of motive. -- Dave Mack[src]
well prisoner@darkside.com (The Prisoner) 1990-05-24 10:19
I know, I know, it's late, but I thought I should Share a few things...
Like, Who a few friends were joking around as the Killer...
If you;ve ever seen the Monty Python Episode where the BBC went Bankrupt,
you will remember John Cleese having a fit over the Budget..ergo, I made the
comment that the Budget Director killed her (There wasn't enough money to
let her talk, or walk around in the present. It would cost too much...
And the second Idea was, THE NEW KIDS ON THE BLOCK DID IT!!! Well, we know
they didn't but wouldn't it be a great way to stop hearing the equivalent of
a CD put on SHUFFLE mode on the radio over and over again?
oh well...
If anyone out there has AppleWorks GS, I decided, while screwing around
with the Destop Publisher, to Make some Twin Peaks Tape Labels... I'll send
them thru ProTERM Unattended...
Just e-Mail me if interested...
Be Seeing You.
-The Prisoner
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[src]
TP and Manchurian Candidate hedlund@reed.UUCP (Marc Hedlund) 1990-05-24 10:21
Well, the local tv station of choice was kind enough to play the Manchurian Candidate one night before the last episode, so I was able to catch something at One Eyed Jacks..... The Queen of Diamonds played a rather significant role in the Audrey scenes, and I imagine not coincidentally was key in Manchurian Candidate. The beautiful woman in MC wore the Q of Diamonds to a costume ball, covered front and back with the face of the card. Sound familiar? This might not mean much, but then again, perhaps the allusion says something about her controlling aspect.[src]
Re: Cooper is NOT dead! eugene@wilbur.nas.nasa.gov (Eugene N. Miya) 1990-05-24 10:30
This alt.tv.twin-peaks line WAS effectively out of my .newsrc.
My officemate made me subscribe to this group because of last night.
{BEGIN critical section}
Vests: media will never be the same because of old Dr. Brown in Back to
the Future and his vest......
I concluded that Lynch is having Leo do it because of the way Lynch
similarly portraried Dennis Hooper in Blue Velvet. Black and white.
That doesn't mean other crimes won't be committed. 8)
Boy, I'm glad I moved away from LA (Hollywood, Dizzyland).
I just wish the local stations would stop showing those stereo ads
with the woman who plays Lucy.
Well, I think I will swing by Snoqualamine next week and burn the entire
town down. Hope you finished off the Director and actors by then. ;)
{END critical section}
I'm unsubscribing now, you don't have to read me anymore.
;)
--e. nobuo miya, NASA Ames Research Center, eugene@orville.nas.nasa.gov
{uunet,mailrus,other gateways}!ames!eugene
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Re: David Lynch news [twin peaks/Cannes film festival] gmark@cbnewse.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart) 1990-05-24 10:48
What I want to know is why was Lynch booed at Cannes? Did the audience really think it was that much worse than the competition? GMS[src]
Re: Conjectures and Questions (Twin Peaks) csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave Mack) 1990-05-24 10:49
In article <877@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU> bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU (Barry Gingrich) writes: > >In article <0aKyOly00WBLI0voUc@andrew.cmu.edu> bl0r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Barton Lipman) writes: >> >>4. Nadine could well be dead. Reasoning: She wasn't that interesting >> >>a character to begin with. With her out of the way, the interaction >> >>between Ed, Hank, and Norma becomes more interesting. > > > >No, I think Nadine lives. Ed's dilemma is that he still feels something > >for Nadine, even if it is mostly obligation. The interaction between > >Ed, Hank, and Norma becomes more interesting, maybe, but the characterizations > >would narrow. Plus, for all her odd behavior, Nadine's actually one > >of the "purely good" characters. We need her to balance out the evil ones. Nadine's character has been converted from the curtain-hanging monster who keeps Ed from his true love to a frightened little girl who can't win for losing. While Ed may have a dilemma, the writers don't. Ed can't be one of the "good guys" and still go after Norma. If they want to have a subplot involving Hank, Ed, and Norma, Nadine has to go, and killing her off this way is really the only clean way to do it - although if they'd had Norma bump her off, it might have added an interesting twist to things. -- Dave Mack[src]
How I Feel on 5/24... rhyne@qaddafi.cad.mcc.com (Tom Rhyne) 1990-05-24 11:13
I've been amazed at the collective insight expressed re TP's plot lines within this group during its short past history. Now, having seen the 5/23 show, I'm convinced we have been over-estimating the capabilities (or intent) of the TP writing/directing staff with regard to their plot. I'm not looking for flames, here. I just have the same feeling with regard to TP that I get when someone searches for significant themes in the Shakesperean plays (e.g., light and dark). I believe Will Shakespeare was largely writing good, entertaining, marketable pieces for his audience. That's also what I believe Lynch, Frost, et. al., are doing with TP. I couldn't imagine them sitting around working out all the minutiae we've been trying to discern in their plot before last night, and after the rather lame work-outs (or partial work-outs) in the 5/23 episode, I'm even more convinced that hasn't been the case. Don't read me wrong, here. I still find the show very, very entertaining, and I'm still a major Lynch fan. It's just that the plot lines in the show are, IMHO, less complete and innovative than most of the ideas put forward in a.t.t-p. As a side observation: it seems that the TP cast may already being thinned for next year's run. We've had eight or so characters simply disappear, and six or seven are in the twilight death/no-death of most on-going TV series. I can see the contract negotiations over the summer... "OK, Piper, if you won't settle for $50k/week, we'll just let you fry in that lumberyard." (;-) -- === UUCP: ...!cs.utexas.edu!milano!cadillac!rhyne ARPA: rhyne@mcc.com ==== | TOM | "I found me a place where I can do good with- | Opinions are not | | RHYNE | out doing any harm." Boaz from the caves of | necessarily those| | MCC-CAD| Mercury by way of Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. ======== | of the sponsors. |[src]
Re: Twin Peaks - How did Leland know? A guess. csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave Mack) 1990-05-24 11:15
In article <880@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU> bgingric@intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU (Barry Gingrich) writes: > >A guess on how Leland knew who the suspect was: > > > >Well, if he knew that there had been a suspect arrested, he probably > >also knew that this same suspect had been shot. He stopped off at the station > >to see if Harry would tell him anything more. He happened to run into > >Doc, who accidentally planted the idea of "hospital". Where do you take Not quite. Leland is very specifically trying to find out where Jacques is without letting on to that fact. He asks Dr. Hayward: "Are you going *back* to the hospital?" [emphasis mine.] Hayward replies, " No, I'm going home." Now Leland knows that Hayward has been at the hospital and that the suspect is probably there, rather than in the jail. Which is why, after Hayward leaves, Leland murmurs, "The hospital." As for how he knew about the arrest... Lucy is a bit of a chatterbox. Perhaps he was sitting at home, listening to the police band in the dark. -- Dave Mack[src]
Another Mistake(?) in Jacoby's Office cfoster@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Christopher Foster) 1990-05-24 11:15
Did anyone notice how *different* Laura's last tape to Jacoby sounded when Bobby, Donna and Madeline listened to it, as compared to how it sounded when Jacoby was listening to it with the headphones? The original version, from episode one, had Laura sounding much more upset; i.e. when she said Bobby was sweet but "so *dumb*," she sounded much more distraught (sp?). The version that Donna and Bobby were listening to was much more laid back, a much different reading of the same lines. This is probably as much a clue as the leather-to-gold necklace screw-up. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Christopher J. Foster cfoster@eagle.wesleyan.edu or cfoster@wesleyan "She doesn't want to be so used, but she's so user-friendly." - LOS EUCLIDS --------------------------------------------------------------------------------[src]
Re: Casual observance jym@eris.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) 1990-05-24 11:16
.-.
|A|nd for the record, my theory that Blackie was Norma is also a
`-' joke. There is some resemblance, though, so I figured I could
use that to launch yet another lame-brained theory.
.-.
|I| must confess, though, I really thought the mayo had been
`-' poisoned. Waitaminute! Poison . . . poisson . . . maybe
Jacques was hired to kill Cooper and Truman and, misreading
the instructions, put poisson instead of poison into their
coffee! Yeah, that's it!
<_Jym_>
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antlers mschiano@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU (Michael Jude Schiano) 1990-05-24 11:17
Diane, I waited until after lunch thursday afternoon and now I'm
250 messages behind on the ^twin-peaks^ postings!
But before I dive in any further, I think I'll have some cowless
Joe and a donut.
But before that, let me say:
(1) Hope you caught that great piece of blocking where
Hank is having his long talk to Josie and it looks
like he has antlers growing out of his head! Ah,
to be reminded of that marvelous safe-deposit box scene!
(2) On Donahue, Donahue said "you can't tease an audience
forever," or something like that. I've already read
one posting from a viewer who is a bit tired of the
teasing.
I sort of agree --- I think it REALLY would have been
first class if they managed to tell us who killed Laura
Palmer, but still kept us interested. After all, the
story is much more interesting than simply WKLP. I don't
think it'd been too much to have a story that gave you that
but still left enough hanging for the summer.
Now, I don't mean, have Jacques CONFESS or something, and then we'd all
say, "Is that all?" and be pretty disappointed. I mean something more
like finding out who did it as part of virtually unpredicted set of
circumstances, in some way related, say, to the Josie-Hank-Leo mess,
and have, who knows, another unsolved murder to play with?
Point is: Of course, I don't just want a: "OK, Jacoby did it. Happy?".
But to be given the identity and motive etc of the killer, at the same
time shedding even newer light on the other affairs, AND having it
reinterpret things such that a new mystery (with a new murder) comes up
would, to me, have been the best way to do it.
One could argue that we have indeed been shown new light on so many
affairs that it is indeed a different story than what we were led to
believe, say, 2 weeks ago. And that I'd agree with! Don't get me
wrong. I just think working a WKLP solution into the MYSTERY would
put ^tp^ in an even higher league than it is now.
(My field is music theory and analysis -- and so I am generally
surrounded by works of art that amazingly leave NOTHING to be desired!
Perhaps people in this or any field that continuously deals with the
highest artistic standards tend to feel funny if WE can think of a
an alternative that we'd prefer. (I.e., one never can think of an
alternative solution to a musical problem that's better than Beethoven's
solution.))
------------------------^-^--------------------michael jude
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Re: Thoughts on the 5/123 finale guest@mango.CES.CWRU.Edu (Guest User) 1990-05-24 11:22
Here's a theory, based on what me and a few friends worked out... First: we think that Leland's was having an incestuous affair with Laura. Second: We know that Laura had sex with THREE men the night she died - Leo, Jacques, and the third man, the killer. Third: Leland has been degenerating as the series progressed - kind of like in Macbeth. Fourth: Leland killed Jacques. Fifth: As a lawyer, Leland may well have known the details of Teresa Banks' murder the year before, even down to the letter under the fingernail. So: Leland was the third man to have sex with Laura the night of her death, and in fact was the one who killed her. He killed Jacques to eliminate one of the witnesses to the murder. And I'll bet he knew that Hank was going to get Leo (Leland's a lawyer, remember...maybe he defended hank in the first place, before he went to jail?) This theory wraps up a few loose ends: the letter under the fingernail? If we assume that Leland knew about Teresa Banks, we can guess that he planted the "R" under Laura's fingernail to make it appear that there was a connection. Same for all the ritualistic stuff surrounding the killing. Why did he do it? Several reasons. He was ashamed of what she'd become, he was afraid others might find out about her sordid secret life (and he might even be IMPLICATED HIMSELF in that sordid life, as a lawyer), and maybe he wanted to set up Leo and Jacques to be rid of them, for whatever reasons... So, what do y'all think?[src]
Re: Thoughts on the 5/123 finale bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) 1990-05-24 11:24
Excerpts from netnews.alt.tv.twin-peaks: 24-May-90 Thoughts on the
5/123 finale Darryl Cate@m2.csc.ti.co (1859)
> > For one thing, I *still* don't know who killed Laura, and
> > putting all the clues together doesn't help at all.
> > - Which of the suspects would have kissed Laura after
> > washing his/her hands ? Leland seems the likeliest for
> > this, but it doesn't explain the letters under the nails.
I agree that Leland is probably the hand-washer/Laura-kisser. As for
the letters under the nails, who knows? I find it interesting, though,
that Teresa Banks had her first initial under her nail, and Laura had
*Ronette's* first initial under her nail. Perhaps Leland responded to
the Flesh World ad, thought he was getting Ronette, couldn't tell it was
Laura (she was hooded?), and placed an `R' there (just as he placed a
`T' under Teresa's nail a year before)? Sounds far-fetched, I know.
> > - Who disposed of the body ? Why was it done so inefficiently ?
> > I mean, found the next day.
My friend Mike McInerny, a TP virgin who read my summary and watched the
finale last night, came up with an interesting theory, on which I've
elaborated a bit:
Leland goes nuts in the log cabin when he sees Laura. He injures
her badly. Leo spirits Laura and Ronette away in his Corvette
(leaving the unconscious Jacques and the raving Leland behind), but
en route to wherever, Laura dies. Leo wraps her body and leaves her
near a train. Ronette protests and Leo beats her up; Ronette runs
off (down the train tracks). Leo is about to follow her (possibly
to finish her off, since she could implicate Leo in Laura's death),
but someone is coming. Leo splits. The *Log Lady* arrives and
finds Laura's body. She pulls Laura into the boxcar of the train
and, being somewhat kooky, performs a ritual. She places Laura's
necklace atop a mound of dirt and leaves the "Fire, walk with me"
note (Margaret has a thing about fire and the devil). Later,
perhaps Leland finds Laura and gives her a burial at sea (er,
river), and she washes up by the mill.
There are at least a dozen variations on this basic scenario, and
several different ways to order the sequence of events and even the
people involved, but does anyone like the way this premise sounds?
> > Of course Cooper had on his flak jacket.
Whew. Thank goodness :-).
> > On, to one *long* summer.
I heard *that*.
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Fwd: alt.tv.twin-peaks bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) 1990-05-24 11:26
This message forwarded on behalf of Cathryn.Crovetti@uc.edu, who can't post to Usenet: ---------- Forwarded message begins here ---------- I havn't seen any reference to this yet, so for those interested, this week's issue of "US" magazine has an article on Twin Peaks on it (may 28 issue). Cooper and Truman are on the cover - the article is at least a few pages long (I havn't had a chance to look at it yet) but I did glimpse some character descriptions shown of Jacoby and a few others. May be worth picking up for those interested! PS - I, also, can't wait 'till fall! -- Angel Crovetti | | | | University of Cincinnati | | | | College of Engineering | | | |__________ Office of College Computing ccrovett@uceng.uc.edu\ \____/ / ________ \________/ / "These opinions are Calvin & | | Hobbes', not my employers'" \ \________ \__________[src]
Fwd: alt.tv.twin-peaks bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) 1990-05-24 11:26
This message forwarded on behalf of Cathryn.Crovetti@uc.edu, who can't post to Usenet: ---------- Forwarded message begins here ---------- OK - I just now read the US article I referred to in my last post - it's got some interesting info., but a lot of stuff we already know. Two quotes from the article - Kyle MacLachlan - "I have a five-year contract and I'm going into it gladly. Hopefully people will respond [to the show] by saying 'Oh my God, this is the strangest thing I've ever seen - I wanna see more'". David Lynch - "I really love the show and I want to be involved. I'll be right in there." (When asked what would happen in the fall if the show were renewed). -- Angel Crovetti | | | | University of Cincinnati | | | | College of Engineering | | | |__________ Office of College Computing ccrovett@uceng.uc.edu\ \____/ / ________ \________/ / "These opinions are Calvin & | | Hobbes', not my employers'" \ \________ \__________[src]
Re: Thoughts on the 5/23 finale csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave Mack) 1990-05-24 11:33
In article <1990May24.143821.15303@csc.ti.com> cate@m2.csc.ti.com (Darryl Cate) writes: > >I also was bothered by the chain on the heart. Maybe Dr. J. changed the > >leather for a chain, but I don't see a good reason why. The leather thong is a reminder of James Hurley. Laura wore hers on a chain. Naturally, Jacoby replaces the thong with the chain to pretend that it's Laura's. > >I do like the way that the characters have changed. Catherine from scheming > >bitch to somewhat pathetic victim; You are kidding, right? Try "Catherine from scheming bitch to scheming bitch conning Pete "The Poodle" Martell, the one person in the whole world she's sure isn't trying to kill her, into helping her find the cooked book." Watch the way she imperiously orders Pete out of the Library when Hank calls. Same old Catherine. And watching her trying to decide whether or not to save Shelley from the burning mill is a classic. You can almost see the gears turning in her head. Shelley is Catherine's hole card - she knows who started the fire. -- Dave Mack[src]
Re: Twin Peaks - Season Finale - Everybody dies and we all go home. hannan@sco.COM (Rosebud...) 1990-05-24 11:39
In article <873@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU>, bgingric@intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU (Barry Gingrich) oozed: ==> Good God. They shot everybody. ==> ==> Leo: Shot by Hank, looks like he died. The Invitation to Love bit ==> again was apropos. i don't think leo DIES. andy says, on the phone after cooper goes to answer the door to "room service," leo's been shot. (not killed). i'm certain he would have said, "leo's dead," if he was. hanna -- ``uh oh. there's a cowboy stuck in my programmer's reference.'' -- mattb[src]
Re: a new theory (via sf) of Invitation to Love davidbe@sco.COM (The Cat in the Hat) 1990-05-24 11:42
Yo! Dig what dana@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Dana Goldblatt) sez: -Earlier posters mentioned the implication that Invitation to Love is -the only TV show on in Twin Peaks, playing 24 hours a day. This brought -to mind a famous science fiction story, "It's a *good* life" by Jerome Bixby. -(** indicates italics, by the author) - -The weird nature of Laura's death lends support to this crazy theory. Actually, I think that "Twin Peaks" is the fictional soap opera, and that all the characters in "Invitation to Love" are watching. It would explain why the show seems to be on all the time, but TP is only on one hour a week (day, TV time). -- David Bedno aka dave@sco.COM: Speaking from but not for SCO. "She sends me blue valentines / all the way from Philadelphia To mark the anniversary / of someone that I used to be..." - Tom Waits, "Blue Valentines"[src]
cherry stem pouncy@campus.swarthmore.edu 1990-05-24 11:55
-Message-Text-Follows- can you really twist cherry stems like that?[src]
Dianne gene@uokmax.uucp (Gene Johannsen) 1990-05-24 12:00
Alright, time for more mindless speculation. The mysterious shooter of Cooper is..... Dianne! It was stated earlier that we would see parts of Dianne in the final episode. Well, the only person who we didn't see all of was the Mysterious Shooter. I know this sounds odd, since Dianne and Cooper are on the same side, but maybe it is just her way of saying, "hello". She might have assumed that Cooper would be wearing his flak jacket. But then, maybe not. gene[src]
Re: cherry stem toto@tank.uchicago.edu (Sandra Jessica Smyth) 1990-05-24 12:01
In article <83CKXLQ@xavier.swarthmore.edu> pouncy@campus.swarthmore.edu writes: : can you really twist cherry stems like that? Yes, but at least when I was growing up, only women did it. It was a sign of, let us say, sexual prowess. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-o-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Sandra Jessica Smyth Believer in lost causes toto@tank.uchicago.edu .. -. . . -.. ... . -..- - --- .-.. .. ...- .[src]
Re: A few more answers... trudel@revenge.rutgers.edu (Jonathan D.) 1990-05-24 12:17
In article <13613@venera.isi.edu> raveling@isi.edu (Paul Raveling) writes: > > 1. He believes they didn't reveal who killed Laura last night > > in order to give ABC a lot of incentive for renewing the show. No, as Mark Frost said on Donahue, they shot several endings, and chose one based on ABC's decision to renew or cancel. One of the endings was supposed to reveal the killer.[src]
Nadine's last words FRUDDLE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu 1990-05-24 12:36
QUESTION: What were Nadine's last words? ANSWER: "I need a louvre that won't drive me crazy." Lenny Bogorad, New Haven CT 06511[src]
Re: Twin Peaks - Season Finale - Everybody dies and we all go home. bart@alice.UUCP (Bart N. Locanthi) 1990-05-24 13:10
:> HB *may* have just been a :> random skulker in the park waiting to beat up someone, and Jacoby was handy. :> But maybe not. :Uh huh. Yeah. Right. Give the screenwriters some credit for not :jerking around millions of fans. jerking us around is what the entire last episode was about. we learned nearly nothing new, large fractions of the cast are in peril pending the actors' contract renewals, and anyway the euro version pins the blame on an as-yet-unseen character who could easily be the skulker in the park. excellence/creativity/quality in tv notwithstanding, this is an utterly mundane and unoriginal way to end a season, straight from the people who brought you dallas/dynasty/falcon crest/knots landing. "laura is my cousin, but sometimes >>MY<< arms bend back". maddie's dead..[src]
Re: Queen of Diamonds dla@mathcs.emory.edu (Dave L A {MRep}) 1990-05-24 13:43
In article <15538@bfmny0.BFM.COM>, tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes: > > Since we've had so much fun finding the movie references in TP here, I > > had to laugh out loud last night at the scene in One Eyed Jacks where > > they're pinning a huge Queen of Diamonds onto the front of Audrey's > > gown. Ever see THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE? > > > > -- > > If the human mind were simple enough to understand, =)) Tom Neff > > we'd be too simple to understand it. -- Emerson Pugh ((= tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE is going to be aired tonight on Atlanta's channel 46. I strongly recommend watching it. The Queen of Diamonds produces a stron reaction in the movie. I'm sure Ben will likewise strongly react to seeing his daughter at One Eye Jack's.[src]
Final Scene tok@stiatl.UUCP (Terry Kane) 1990-05-24 14:10
IMHO Cooper will return - he was wearing a bullet-proof vest :-o ... (or should I say "In My Humble Hope"?) -- Terry Kane gatech!stiatl!tok Sales Technologies, Inc 3399 Peachtree Rd, NE Atlanta, GA (404) 841-4000[src]
Re: Conjectures and Questions (Twin Peaks) news@cs.yale.edu (Usenet News) 1990-05-24 15:22
In article <1990May24.174906.18924@alembic.acs.com> csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave Mack) writes:
> >While Ed may have a dilemma, the writers don't. Ed can't be one of the
> >"good guys" and still go after Norma. If they want to have a subplot
> >involving Hank, Ed, and Norma, Nadine has to go, and killing her off
> >this way is really the only clean way to do it - although if they'd
> >had Norma bump her off, it might have added an interesting twist to
> >things.
Um, you underestimate how ridiculous the writers could make things. How
about this: Nadine becomes an invalid, living at home... and then one
night Hank breaks in and holds Nadine hostage, leading to a confrontation
with Hank, Ed, Norma, and Nadine, in which all is revealed in front of
Nadine's horrified and uncomprehending eyes???
Aagh, _I'm_ definitely gonna keep watching next year....
> >Dave Mack
Rob Jellinghaus | "Next time you see a lie being spread or a
jellinghaus-robert@CS.Yale.EDU | bad decision being made out of sheer ignor-
ROBERTJ@{yalecs,yalevm}.BITNET | ance, pause, and think of hypertext."
{everyone}!decvax!yale!robertj | -- K. Eric Drexler, _Engines of Creation_
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Re: A few more answers... gln@cs.arizona.edu (Gary Newell) 1990-05-24 15:43
In article <May.24.15.17.24.1990.22715@revenge.rutgers.edu>, trudel@revenge.rutgers.edu (Jonathan D.) writes: > > In article <13613@venera.isi.edu> raveling@isi.edu (Paul Raveling) writes: > > No, as Mark Frost said on Donahue, they shot several endings, and > > chose one based on ABC's decision to renew or cancel. One of the > > endings was supposed to reveal the killer. Right. Now this leads me to the following conclusion : Leland offed her. Why? Well, assume that the killer was going to be revealed and that only key scenes needed to be changed in the case that the show was picked up for another season. OK - then my feeling was that this episode was supposed to eliminate each of the major suspects one at a time to make you go - it wasn't him??!!?? So for example, Jacoby bites it early on (sure looked like he was supposed to be dead to me, until the - "so doc how's jacoby" bit - no mention of how he got there or who found him or anything like that - just poof - he's alive...) then later Leo gets snuffed by Hank (I'm even more convinced that Leo was to die in the original storyline)- so the top two suspects are gone. Who's left? Leland - we know he kills Jaque (I believe that was always in the story) and he would seem the only major character that wasn't killed or even in danger of being killed - so - he did it.... now if only I could figure out why he shot Cooper..... (then again I suppose it could be a plot twist unrelated to the story so far.....) gln[src]
Re: cherry stem jma@beach.cis.ufl.edu (John 'Vlad' Adams) 1990-05-24 15:48
I've done it before. And I'm a guy... [sexist comment coming up...] and my girlfriends have always been happy... -- John M. Adams --**-- Professional Student on the six-year plan! /// Internet: jma@beach.cis.ufl.edu -or- vladimir@maple.circa.ufl.edu /// "Houston, we have a negative on that orbit trajectory." Calvin & Hobbes \\V// Cosysop of BBS:42; Amiga BBS FIDOnet 1:3612/42. 904-438-4803 (Florida) \X/[src]