Season 1, Episode 03: Rest in Pain — April 26–May 02, 1990

I checked Jon's list against my tapes, and here's some errata, addenda,
and whatnot. Just to make sure we're all on the same page, "1st episode"
refers to the 2-hour premiere, not the first regular 1-hour episode.

In article <10247@sun.udel.edu>, conrad@sun.udel.edu (Jon Conrad) writes...

} Johnny Horne, their retarded son         Robert Davenport

  Johnny Horne, their retarded son         Robert Davenport  (1st episode)
                                           Robert Bauer      (3rd)

} Janek Pulaski, her father          Rick Tutor / Alan Ogle

  Janek Pulaski, her father                Rick Tutor        (1st)
                                           Alan Ogle         (2nd)

} Maria (?) Pulaski, his wife              Michele Milatoni [*sic*]

  Maria Pulaski, his wife                  Roberta Maguire   (1st)
  Suburbis Pulaski, his wife               Michele Milantoni (2nd)

And to add to the list:

  Killer Bob                               Frank Silva
  Man From Another Place, a dancing dwarf  Michael J. Anderson

-- "How different in my native willage. Soft music. Wiolins. The happy people sitting on their balalaikas, playing their samovars." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <13274@csli.Stanford.EDU>, podlozny@csli.Stanford.EDU (Ann Podlozny) writes...

} "Lynch and Frost have each directed one more episode [beyond the pilot];
} the other directors, including Tim Hunter, Tina Rathborne, and Caleb
} Deschanel, were chosen for their movie backgrounds.

For those of you who may be interested in what movies these directors have
done:

Caleb Deschanel:      THE ESCAPE ARTIST (1982)
                      CRUSOE (1988)

Tim Hunter:           TEX (1982)
                      SYLVESTER (1985)
                      RIVER'S EDGE (1987)

[Bet]Tina Rathborne   THE JOY THAT KILLS (1985) (TV movie)
                      PHOEBE (1988)

Of all of these, I've only seen RIVER'S EDGE and THE ESCAPE ARTIST. I
don't remember much about the latter (which may be telling in itself)
other than that it starred Raul Julia, but I do recall a rather surreal
feel to it. RIVER'S EDGE, which is the one many of you have probably
seen, is a dark, disturbing film that fits right in to what Lynch and
Frost are doing with TWIN PEAKS.

-- "How different in my native willage. Soft music. Wiolins. The happy people sitting on their balalaikas, playing their samovars." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In the NPR interview Lynch said that the location of Twin Peaks is
supposed to be in northeast Washington, near both the Canadian border
and the Idaho border. (6 miles from one and 3 miles from the other I
believe it was, but could be misremembering.) An international border
for gambling and a state border to bring in the FBI; convenient.

Keith Dawson
dawson@apollo.hp.com

A few points, with no attempt to guess at their significance:

1) Hard to make it out with TV resolution, but the new girl's necklace appears
to be a club, not a spade.

2) The midget says "She's *MY* cousin", not she's Laura's cousin, as many
posters refer to her.  Apparently TV Guide says Laura's cousin will appear this
week, so now it looks like all three are relatives?

3) While eating the brie/butter/baguette, Ben says that it reminds him of Jenny
and Janie down by the river.  Jerry looks puzzled, but then sniffs the
sandwich, and the aroma jogs his memory, and he agrees.  Very similar to the
way Cooper smells the note card.

4) We really have no proof that Jerry was in France.  It's almost as if he
brings the sandwiches to establish his alibi, but you could but that stuff
anywhere.

5) The cassette tape that Dr. Jacoby plays is labeled "With Love, Laura",
further establishing a romantic link between the two.

6) At no time yet has Cooper, Albert, or his boys shown any form of FBI
identification.

7) Truman is fully aware that Ben Horne wants Josie's land - he tells Cooper at
the town meeting that Ben isn't interested in Josie, just her land.

Now speculation:

Are Ben Horne and Leland Palmer related in any way?  I had to rewind my VCR and
double check the red polka dotted tie that Ben was wearing when he was with
Catherine to determine which one of them it was doing the dirty deed with her. 
The seem to bear a striking resemblance - much greater than do Ben and Jerry.

Will we ever see the school principal again?  He seemed overly moved by the
knowledge of Laura's death.  Another regular at the Jack?

Jeff

I.   I'm becoming a believer in the "twin cousin was killed, not Laura"
     theory. But a simple caveat: wouldn't the police check fingerprints 
     routinely in a murder investigation? Even given that everyone who
     saw the body and knew Laura said "Yep, that's Laura" (with more or
     less demonstrated emotion)?

II.  Minor continuity glitch. I watched this numerous times to be sure
     (love that VCR). At the Tibetan baseball game, when we first see
     the blackboard we can see the letters R and T below the "Nervous
     about meeting J" note. Agent Cooper flips the board to reveal the
     map of Tibet, and when he flips it back R and T are circled. They
     weren't before.
     
III. Where did Cooper get that map of Tibet? It looked like one of those
     old heavy oilcloth jobs that were used in schools in the 50's. It had
     no folds in it, so he wasn't packing it with him. Bet Cooper would
     have been hard-pressed to locate such a map in NYC, let alone in TP.
     (In concensus reality I bet that Lynch's minions were hard-pressed 
     too...)

Keith Dawson
dawson@apollo.hp.com

Sometimes I get so flushed. Interesting. Do your palms ever itch?

In article <2268@media-lab.MEDIA.MIT.EDU> adamk@media-lab.media.mit.edu (Adam Kao) writes:

}THERE IS ONLY ONE NECKLACE.
}
}When Donna and James are in the forest, Donna says "They have the
}necklace you gave to Laura."  Repeat:  James gave the necklace to
}Laura.  This is in keeping with his "sweet" character.
}
}James would not buy more than one necklace.  Laura would not buy such
}a "sweet" thing at all.

okay, I might resign to the fact that there's one necklace (if only
because it hasn't been brought up again, so maybe it's not ALL
that important...brought up again in the series, that is :) )
BUT could someone with a vcr please check and see who gave the
heart to whom...I distinctly remember Laura giving it to James.
She was so 'happy' because she realized that James really did
love her.  And I thought that she took out the necklace, broke
it in half and gave half to him.  

Okay, I'm probably wrong.  But then maybe we can let this rest
in peace...

ann

> >- why Audrey's father "sang to her".  In the bordel, he waxed
 
That was Laura's father not Audrey's

In article <11970003@hpldola.HP.COM> glenn@hpldola.HP.COM (Glenn Sisson) writes:
}
}Theory #1, which is ours, and that it is:
}
}   The rock that Dale throws for Leo Johnson, was in fact supposed to be
}   the rock thrown for "Jack with one eye", but he incorrectly had that
}   entry erased.  Thus the bottle breaks for "Jack with one eye", not

But, as a poster previously mentioned, Cooper says the name to the
rock (Let's rock!) and *then* throws it...could put a small wrench in
this theory...

}Postulates:
}
}   people in a satanic rite to try to get back to his world.  "the
}   magician longs to see, one chance out between two worlds..."

}--- glenn, pat and ric

I liked the previous theory someone had that the chance between
two worlds could be the cathouse in Canada...although your (pl)
theory does fit in with the mood of things...

ann

.-.
|T|he thing to do is make sure all your Neilsen family friends get
`-'addicted to the show.  And talk it up to all your friends, in
   particular, your friends who don't like television!
.-.
|W|ith apologies to the rec.arts.tv regulars, I must confess that
`-'I really hate television.  Yet I'm totally into _Twin_Peaks_.

<_Jym_> (Okay, so I've also started to watch _The_Simpsons_, too.)

In article <1990Apr25.155344.22001@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> mposner@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Eli Posner) writes:
> >
> >Personally I suspect, as many have already mentioned, that the body found
> >was NOT that of LP. All Cooper knows is that no one killed LP. She is not
> >dead. Thus we are not going to see any arrests for her murder. Nor does
> >he know who killed LP2 - the dead body. 
> >

Another tidbit supporting this theory is that Albert has only just
started his autopsy.  If he hawd shown up earlier, it would have come
out sooner.  We'll hear from Albert and Cooper tonight, and I bet they
won't be in 100% agreement.

-dB




"Bottom of the 4th, Cooper pitching"- tibetan baseball
David Brower:  daveb@rtech^H^H^H^H^Hingres.comd

In article <218@beguine.UUCP> Robert.Berry@samba.acs.unc.edu (BBS Account) writes:

> > Now, wait just a minute.  *President* Harry S Truman's middle name was S.
> > We don't know what Sheriff Truman's middle name is.  I think it's assuming
> > too much to think his middle name is S too.


Yes, we do.  It stands for "Sheriff".  They say so in episode 8 at the
all night Java Stand.  Don't you remember????

In article <217@beguine.UUCP> Robert.Berry@samba.acs.unc.edu (BBS Account) writes:

> > I assumed that when Cooper called Truman after his dream and said
> > "I know who killed Laura Palmer--meet me in the morning," Truman said,
> > "This can't wait 'til morning!"  Why on earth would he have said that
> > it could?  We're talking about solving a murder here.  [...]

> > Now it's actually a little strange that Cooper thinks it can wait, but
> > then we've seen that Cooper is a little strange anyway.

(Spoilers from this week's show)


Obviously, there was a good reason that it could wait until
morning--the dream had no particularly valuable content, from a
practical, small-town-sherriff point-of-view, anyway.

Thoughts on this week's show:
TP#3 (#0 being the pilot) seems to be the "secret" episode:

1)  Audrey's secret passage for watching Johnny through the peephole

2)  Shelley's secret hiding place for her "Leo-protection"

3)  Catherine's secret hiding place for the ledger

4)  The "secret society" (Hey, it wasn't their noses they were touching,
    but I guess it was important..)

Plus all the "secret" affairs and subterfuge.

Fave scene from this ep:  Albert with the drill.

Leland seems to have really lost it--I'm convinced it's a large
measure of guilt, as well as loss.  The funeral:  geez, can't
James make up his mind?  Also, whoever pointed out Lynch's
ability to shock with humour after horror must've had
prescience, vis a vis Shelley's re-enactment of Leland's
trauma, _immediately_ after it occurred.  Bobby's character
only increases in contrasts--honesty, directness, coupled with
fierce, almost animal-like pride and violent loathing for his father.

Norma has more power than I'd thought at first--not just a pretty
face.  We see Cooper has power too--the power to bring down a
strong-willed man like Albert.

We see an amusing side of Nadine, a human side.  Interesting
how her character has gained my sympathy since the first show,
whereas my sympathies for Ed are wavering.

The society:  well, I don't know quite what to make of this.  My first
interpretation was a kind of bizarre pagan tribe:  Laura as a
sacrifice to ensure fertile crops?  Well, none of them are farmers,
and it seems like the wrong time of year.  Silly.

So far, I'd rate them as:  2, 0, 3, 1.  This last wasn't Lynch, but was
quite fine directing; perhaps a little more human regard for the
characters than Lynch (with a the streetlight at the end; kind of a 
cinematic nod to greatness.)

-- Stephen White sfwhite@watcgl.waterloo.edu

> >
> >     I liked the use of the flashlights in the woods.  I don't understand
> >how the football ended up on the hood of the car, unless there was another
> >football.  The one they pulled out of the tree was on the ground at their
> >feet.  There's no way Leo or the person behind the tree could have beat
> >Bobby and Mike back to the car.

People keep mentioning this so here is my theory:

I simply thought that Leo had somehow thrown the football (yes all that
distance) to show Bobby and mike that Leo could have shot them both at
any time.


-Ilta

In article <13300@csli.Stanford.EDU> podlozny@csli.stanford.edu (Ann Podlozny) writes:
> >In article <2268@media-lab.MEDIA.MIT.EDU> adamk@media-lab.media.mit.edu (Adam Kao) writes:
> >
> >}THERE IS ONLY ONE NECKLACE.

> >... could someone with a vcr please check and see who gave the
> >heart to whom...I distinctly remember Laura giving it to James.
> >She was so 'happy' because she realized that James really did
> >love her.  And I thought that she took out the necklace, broke
> >it in half and gave half to him.  

We don't really see the necklace at first:

"James, do you know why I'm so happy?"
"Because your skin's so soft and you smell so good?"
"No, silly!  Because now I believe you really love me . . ."

Then we see the heart, in Laura's hands.  She breaks it and gives
James half, keeping the chain.

My understanding of this scene was that, before the dialog, James gave
the necklace to Laura.  Laura was happy because James had shown his
love *by giving her the necklace*.  Since James has already given her
the necklace, we see it in her hands.  She breaks it, as she is
expected to do, and hands back half.  Minor supporting evidence: she
keeps the chain.  Wouldn't it be odd, if she bought the gift, for her
to keep the greater part?  James wore his half on a leather thong.

> >Okay, I'm probably wrong.  But then maybe we can let this rest
> >in peace...

Amen.

> >ann

Adam

In article <55384@bbn.COM> telex@mikey.bbn.com (Telex Operator) writes:
}>- why Audrey's father "sang to her".  In the bordel, he waxed
} 
}That was Laura's father not Audrey's


No, I think it was Audrey's...
A: Did Laura ever talk about my father?
D: No, why (or something to that effect....)
A: he sang to her (ditto...) etc.

I'm sure someone will correct my memory...but this was the gist
of the conversation.

ann

rlr@toccata.rutgers.edu (Rich Rosen) writes:

> >BTW, the notion that the border crossed by Ronette was the border with Canada
> >would make the scope of the crime international rather than interstate.  BUT
> >in any case, how does the fact that a murder occurs in one state and someone
> >else who is not murdered crosses a bridge from one state to another necessitate
> >the intervention of the FBI?  I'm not sure I understand the FBI's participation
> >here at all, so I'm either missing something obvious (quite likely) and/or the
> >speculations about a "real" motive for Cooper's being there are well warranted.

I think the implication is that the boxcar site (with the blood and the note)
was across the state line.  Since Ronette was there, she was presumably
transported across state lines against her will, which is reason enough for
the FBI to get involved.  I would guess the railroad bridge crosses a river
which is supposed to be the state line.  

Of course, this doesn't explain why Agent Cooper already had investigated
the earlier murder in the state, or how he managed to arrive in town so
quickly.  
--
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In article <JYM.90Apr25105205@eris.berkeley.edu> jym@eris.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:
> >    Before we go any further, the name is Harry S Truman, not
> >  Harry S. Truman.  Truman's middle name was only one letter long.

People love to get in their oneupmanship digs about this.

Well, so do I.  Despite the fact that President Truman had a middle name
that was one letter long, he DID put a period after it.  There is plenty
of documentation for this, and his children have confirmed it.  So
you'll have to find something else to be in-the-know about.

Jon

>> >>     It interesting that nobody on the net noticed all the "J"s that Laura
>> >> could have been referring to in her diary.

How about the J standing for joint?  Laura seems to be the kind of
drug user that would want to keep a *spotless* reputation.  I 
think it would be very much in character for her to use code words
for drugs in anything that could fall into "enemy" hands.

..brandyt..

This is probably meaningless, but did anyone notice what kind
of bottle Cooper was throwing at?

I have a vague impression of a milk bottle, but think we've
recorded over the tape of last week's show.  If it was
a milk bottle, it would be a bit odd -- they're pretty scarce
these days.


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Raveling@isi.edu

From the latest TV Guide:

"'David Letterman called' [she said] 'They want me.'  Letterman isn't alone.
Just two days after ABC's ground-breaking new show 'Twin Peaks' made its
debut, [Kimmie] Robertson -- an unknown actress who landed a part on the
series -- was fielding phone calls.  Her character, [the] switchboard
operator Lucy Moran, had been warmly received by audiences and already
showed signs of developing a cult following when a 'Letterman' staffer
called.  Letterman himself had been struck by her performance and was
interested in having her on. [---] Various friends [of Robertson] from
around the country have been calling her with news that high-school kids and
office workers in Los Angeles, New York and Washington, D.C., had already
memorized her debut lines and were reciting them:

'I'm gonna transfer to the phone on a table by the red chair, the red chair
against the wall, the little table with the lamp on it, the lamp
that we moved from the corner, [etc.]'

"[---] Robertson's following is growing, and she seems more than willing to
nurture it by giving radio interviews as her compulsive character, Lucy."

Anybody heard any of those interviews?

BTW, according to the same issue of the Guide the Tuesday, May 1, edition
of the Oprah Winfrey (4 pm) features "cast members of new prime-time TV
shows" -- whatever that means.

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In article <JYM.90Apr25105205@eris.berkeley.edu> jym@eris.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:

> >       Before we go any further, the name is Harry S Truman, not
> >     Harry S. Truman.

So what's the abbreviation of S?  Q.?
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|I|f the sheriff is named after the president, he should also have
`-'a one-letter middle name.  (By the way, HST makes *me* think of
   Hunter S. Thompson.)

<_Jym_>

In article <54292@microsoft.UUCP> brandyt@microsoft.UUCP (Brandy THORP) writes:
> >How about the J standing for joint?  Laura seems to be the kind of
> >drug user that would want to keep a *spotless* reputation.  

So why would she be nervous about meeting *drugs* that night?
I don't get it.  Try again.  More than likely J is a person.
Many people, perhaps.  Probably at least an animate entity.
Of course, Mr. Jay from Doonesbury *could* show up.... :->
-- - Barry gingrich%tisl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu OR bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU

Random thoughts:

Madelien, MADELIEN, we know you're Laura!!!!!  
Did they show her name in the credits......

Convenient that the body is rushed to burial so they can't check
fingerprints, hair dye, et al.  (Then again maybe they did.)

J, R and the secret society seem to throw off the evil sheriff theory for
good.

Nice development of Hawk, love Cooper's response to learning he's a tracker...
"Dream spirits wander with the dead."

It seems that Laura's death will get pushed into the background and the 
"darkness" in the woods will take over.  Also, Cooper's retirement home
in TP could let the show go on and on.  Now the trick is figuring who 
is in which society and how they fit together.  

Laura's murder was probably committed by many members, "She had multiple
wounds, no one caused her death."

Well, the light is still red, and Leland has no way of going home...
Until next week, let's beat this episode to death.

Brian 
"This must be were pies go when they die"

p.s. Pardon the inaccuracy of all above quotes.

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I think it's entirely possible that in the pilot there was a day either 1)
between the discovery of Laura's body and Ronette walking out of the woods or
2) (much more likely) Ronette walking out of the woods and Cooper showing up. 
If I remember correctly, there was a cut from Ronette to Cooper in his car
talking to Diana the Tape Recorder about cherry pie.  We are never told how
much time passes between the two events, but it seems more plausible that it
would be the next day than that it would be just two hours later (at the most,
since lots of other stuff happens that day).

Also, in attempting to predict who the murderer is, I keep thinking about
_Blue_Velvet_.  All of the brilliance and innovation of that movie have to do
with theme and style.  If you think about the actual plot of the thing, it's
pretty mundane.  In fact, compared to other mystery movies, it's cliched and
boring.  That makes me think that there's nothing as outlandish as time travel
involved in this.  The Mike/Bobby/One-armed-Mike/Killer Bob pairing could
easily be another invocation of the doubling theme without having relevance to
the facts of the case.
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We pine for what is not.                   Only in darkness, light;
Our sincerest laughter                     Only in dying, life --
With some pain is fraught.                 Bright the hawk's flight
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I didn't videotape it, but as I recall:

- The person (name forgotten) who first mentioned the European versionof TP in this newsgroup was Norwegian.

- The person (name forgotten again) who is able to divine the
occurrences in episodes not yet seen (due to the local
station broadcasting the show two days earlier on Tuesdays)
is from British Columbia, which is the Canadian province
immediately north of Washington state in which the 
casino/bordello One Eyed Jack's is located.

I'm not sure what to make of this.
--
Look for significance where there's none intended, and you will surely find it.
Rich Rosenrlr@toccata.rutgers.edu
--

Well I must say tonight's episode sure ran through that
dream quickly.  Cooper eliminated the Bob and Mike are
Bobby and Mike from the future, and we also know what
sometimes my arms bend back means.  At least the cousin
has different color hair than Laura.  It would have been a
bit much for for her to be exactly the same. Imagin what
kind of response Leland would have had had he seen a double
of his daughter.  The guy has really flipped!
 
And it's nice to see Cooper plans to purchase some property
in Twin Peaks, now there's a reason for him to hang around! 
And with the way he talked to Albert, you can see he has
changed from how he was in the ole days before this case.
 
Scott "Cheesehead" Ladewig

Still recovering from all the action in tonite's episode.  I'll let the *real*
serious watchers dissect all the details, just want to offer Agent Cooper's
comment on the huckleberry pie:
    "I bet this is where pies go when they die..."
as the best of this hour.
 
[this newsgroup is almost as good as the show... I *hope* Lynch and some of
the others hear about it!]
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>> >>How about the J standing for joint?  Laura seems to be the kind of
>> >>drug user that would want to keep a *spotless* reputation.  

Sorry, anyone wanting to hide their stained rep doesn't put a bag with traces
of cocaine in the same diary.

Tomasaurus
"I was extinct before it was sheik."

In article <630@igor.Rational.COM> jgp@rutabaga.Rational.COM (Jim Pellman) writes:
> >
> >                      ABC Antsy Over Turn in 'Twin Peaks'

> >The following week, up against "Cheers" on NBC, that dropped to 27 percent of
> >the audience that was watching TV between 9 PM and 10 PM.  Last week, even
> >fewer homes tuned it; only 21 percent of those who had their sets on at 9 PM
> >last Thursday were watching "Twin Peaks."

> >"The show continues to be strong with women 35 to 49.  Younger viewers,
> >especially males, are watching NBC and 'Cheers.'"
> >

  Do they count VCR taping at all in ratings these days? Because
(when I have it set up correctly) I will certainly tape Cheers or
Twin Peaks (probably TP) and watch it later. 

 ( or course, I FF through the commercials, so its debatable if they should
charge more for advertisers if people like me watch it)




  ABS has no right to compain, though, putting it against a powerhouse
like Cheers.







-Rob
rlwald@phoenix.princeton.edu

The anti-crime secret society...meeting at "the Bookhouse" neat.  Now
that explains a lot of why james was acting wierd earlier, also.

Explanation for "arms tied back" .... Laura's arms were tied back with
twine, from the forensics report.  On both upper and lower arms, with two
types of twine.

And a long-standing 'badness' in the background...something out there that
the Bookhouse Boys have been fighting for years.  Now, i have to say it:
Lynch is WIERD. 8-)


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In article <2826@darkstar.ucsc.edu>, winterm@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Wintermute) writes...

} Greetings fellow netters, I would like to know if the sound tracks
} to Twin Peaks has been released. If so Could someone please post
} the name of the company that released it.

A soundtrack per se has *not* been released, though there is kinda sorta
one out there. It's called FLOATING INTO THE NIGHT, by Julee Cruise.
Cruise was the singer at the roadhouse during the big fight in the pilot
film. The two songs she did during that sequence are on the album, as
well as the theme music to TWIN PEAKS (with lyrics added). The rest of
the album is more of the same, including a song used in BLUE VELVET.
All of the songs were written by David Lynch (lyrics) and oh-what-the-
hell-is-his-name -- Bandalamenti? -- who composed the music for TP.

Unfortunately, the hypnotic jazz music from the show is *not* on the
album. The album was released by Warner Brothers, and is available on
CD.

-- "How different in my native willage. Soft music. Wiolins. The happy people sitting on their balalaikas, playing their samovars." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

My God! We were on vacation and set our VCR timer for TP. Wednesday
night we watched everything (movie and first two episodes) in a row.
What an experience! I'm glad I was all caught up for tonight's episode.

Why wasn't Cooper in contact with Diane at all--not once!--in last week's
episode? DL directed it too.

Now I'm having to get all caught up with you all. Great newsgroup, but
this one I can't just read the headers to read what interests me. I want
to (& will) read everything!

Tracy...I posted about Julee Cruise on gaffa months ago...! 
Did anyone else see her on Night Music? It was GREAT! She had two backup
singers and the three of them were all wearing cheezy 60s prom dresses and
doing Supreme's kind-of moves, only weirder. It was surreal, to say the
least!
 

Vickie (one of Vickie'n'Chris)
katefans@world.std.com

After watching sections of the 4/26 episode 4 and 5 times:

In case you missed it, the previews for next week show Bobby holding
Leo's blood-stained shirt. He is wearing a mechanic's uniform with
"Dick" on the breast.

Speculation: Freeze-framing the picture of Norma's imprisoned husband,
Frank,  looked like it could be the one armed man from Cooper's dream.
(I know the name is different but the face looks similar.)

What did Laura Palmer's mother mean when she said to her 'elevator'
riding husband "Don't ruin it _again_!" ?

What is the significance of Cooper telling HST and the dip they were
in his dream?

While we're on the subject, anyone notice the inconsistency of Cooper
telling HST that he saw the man from Mrs. Palmer's vision (who Hawk
has sketched) in his dream when, according to next week's preview, he
hasn't seen the sketch yet?

We now know that Leo lives on the lake-"Ducks! Ducks on the lake!"

Cooper's going to look at real estate in the area--Presto, Cooper
stays in the community (and on the show) after the murder is resolved.

What's the significance of some of the major players NOT being in the
opening credits but in the Guest list?

After Leland gets sedated, Madeline walks in and Leland looks up and
says "Maddy, is that you?" If you pay close attention, the background
soap opera has a guy writing a suicide note but he is interrupted by a
knok on the door. Just as Leland recognizes Maddy, the suicide note
writer says, in Leland's silence, "What a surprise!". Nice, real nice.

A-L-B-E-R-T   R-O-S-E-N-F-E-L-D leaves Twin Peaks on a good note:

"Mr. Horne, I realize that your position in this fair community pretty
well guarantees vainality*, insincerity, and a rather irritating
method of expressing yourself. Stupidity, however, is not a
necessarily inherent trait. Therefore, please listen closely. You can
have a funeral any old time. You dig a hole; you plant a coffin. I,
however, cannot perform these tests next year, next month, next week,
or tomorrow. I must perform them now! I've got a lot of cutting and
pasting to do gentlemen so, please, why don't you return to your porch
rockers and resume whittling."

HST: "I've had just about eniough of your insults."

Albert: "Oh yeah? Well I've had about enough of, ah, moorons and
half-wits, dolts, dunces, dullards, and dumbells. And you, chowder
head, yokel, you blithering hay seed. You;ve had enough of me?"

Good luck Albert...

Rand P. Hall                    UUCP: {uunet,wang,ulowell}!samsung!hubdub!rand
Merrimack College               CSNET: rand@merrimack.edu
N. Andover, MA        "Carrying a spare is negative thinking" -- Norris Weldon

In article <19068.263814b8@merrimack.edu>, rand@merrimack.edu writes:
> > A-L-B-E-R-T   R-O-S-E-N-F-E-L-D leaves Twin Peaks on a good note:
> > 
> > "Mr. Horne, I realize that your position in this fair community pretty
> > well guarantees vainality*, insincerity, and a rather irritating
> > method of expressing yourself. Stupidity, however, is not a

Sorry, I fogot the footnote (*):

* I originally thought this was 'banality' but several viewings makes
me think Albert coined this new form of the root 'vain'.

Well, I sure hope that this represents the low point for the series.
Otherwise, without Lynch's guiding hand, this series just won't make
it. I thought the script, direction, photography, and acting painfully
pedestrian this time around. Style isn't *everything*, but this
episode underscores how it was Lynch's style that caused TWIN PEAKS
to rise above soap opera mediocrity.

The script simply went through the motions. It had its moments, but
they were few and far between. Most of its echoes of early episodes,
mostly in its character bits (like Cooper and his huckleberry pie)
made them all seem like tired cliches already. The scene with Leland
Palmer on the coffin was the only Lynchian bit of inspired weirdness,
and because it was the only one, it stuck out like a sore thumb and
ended up looking stupid rather than inspired.

The photography was straightforward and dull. No eerie lighting, no
interesting angles, etc. The direction was the same. At the worst,
Rathborne elicited *dull* performances from the previously great
cast. The chemistry between characters was gone. MacLachlan no longer
had that cheerful mania that made his character great. Here, he seemed
old and tired, almost as if he'd been doing this series for four years
already and was getting bored with it. It was especially telling in
his humorless interactions with Albert. The only time he seemed to have
the spark was when Harry told him about the Bookhouse Boys.

Now, as for what was revealed in this episode (spoilers head, of course):

(a) Well, Cooper *knows* who killed Laura, but it's in his head in cypher.
Certainly a novel way to keep the mystery going.

(b) It was Audrey who slipped the "Jack with One Eye" note under Cooper's
door.

(c) Laura, as well as Ronnette, had worked at the perfume counter in
Horne's Department Store.

(d) The "cousin" in the dream was not Madeleine. Madeleine is being
played by the same actress as Laura, and she does resemble Laura, but
she's different enough in appearance so the two cannot be confused.
There goes the theory that it was Madeleine who was killed and not Laura.

(e) An explanation is found for the line "Sometimes my arms bend back"
that has nothing to do with Nadine. But...that doesn't mean that the
Nadine connection isn't still valid.

(f) Jacques finally comes into the picture. And we learn that Big Ed
*was* secretly helping Harry on a case. *And* we learn that Ed, Hawk,
Harry, and James are all part of a Secret Society called the Bookhouse
Boys. And that the nose-tapping is the secret signal. Now I'm going to
have to review my tapes to see if the signal ever passed between James
and any of the others.

And the biggest revelation of all...

(g) Twin Peaks is where pies go when they die.

-- "How different in my native willage. Soft music. Wiolins. The happy people sitting on their balalaikas, playing their samovars." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

Several people have mentioned the bloody rag about which Cooper
says "A nasty piece of work..."

To me it looks just like what I would expect if you wrapped some
stones (or other weight) in the rag and used it to bludgeon someone
(in a way similar to what Leo did to Shelley in episode 2). Note how
the blood concentrated in the middle (the point of impact) and spread
out from there.  This would go along well with Killer Bob's comment
about his "death bag" in the dream.

Note, I don't think this implicates Leo. I think the scene with Leo
was just to show he's a brute as well as to make it possible for us
to understand the "death bag"/blood-rag when we heard/saw them.

On rewatching my tape of episode 3 I have a couple of comments about 
things said here in the last week:

The football on the car is definitely the same one that was in the
tree. It is not miniature (I don't know what made people think it was).
It is deflated. And it definitely landed on the roof while they were there,
it was not just put there.

The map of tibet (actually a map of China, Tibet, Mongolia, etc) was a
pretty standard paper map. It had the usual fold marks. I couldnt see
the labels well enough to judge its age, but I really dont think there
was anything special about it.

Also, the new girl at one-eyed-Jack's did not necesserally work at the
perfume counter. She was "freshly scented from the perfume counter..."
not "fresh from the perfume counter..."


Finally, someone said after last nights episode that the reason that
Cooper said it could wait till morning was that he didn't have the actual
name (ie no data usefule to a small town cop). Personally, I think he
did know at the time of the call, but forgot by morning. Think of all
the times you wake up from a really vivid dream with the whole thing
in your head. Then you slip back to sleep and when you wake up the next
morning the details have gone fuzzy.  This is why therapists who believe
in dream content have patients write down the details the second they
wake up from the dream.


Just my thoughts



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In article <1990Apr26.180141.6132@watcgl.waterloo.edu> Stephen White writes:

> >So far, I'd rate them as:  2, 0, 3, 1.  This last wasn't Lynch, but was
> >quite fine directing; perhaps a little more human regard for the
> >characters than Lynch (with a the streetlight at the end; kind of a 
> >cinematic nod to greatness.)      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> >sfwhite@watcgl.waterloo.edu

Red light(s) occured several times (I didn't tape it, but from what
I remember).  In the opening we see an intersection with changing, but
predominantly red streetlights (and more traffic control lights than I've ever 
seen in any logging town), the flashing red light (signalling danger to 
Jacques) at the biker/trucker bar, and then lastly, the single shot of
the red traffic streetlight.

In article <626HAAR@xavier.swarthmore.edu> awp92@campus.swarthmore.edu writes:

> >I think it's entirely possible that in the pilot there was a day either 1)
> >between the discovery of Laura's body and Ronette walking out of the woods or
> >2) (much more likely) Ronette walking out of the woods and Cooper showing up. 
> >If I remember correctly, there was a cut from Ronette to Cooper in his car
> >talking to Diana the Tape Recorder about cherry pie.  We are never told how
> >much time passes between the two events, but it seems more plausible that it
> >would be the next day than that it would be just two hours later (at the most,
> >since lots of other stuff happens that day).

More plausible it may be, but yours is not a tenable hypothesis if you
re-view the movie carefully.  I agree that it is hard to understand how
Cooper could arrive early in the afternoon the day of the murder,
Ronnette having already walked the miles back down the tracks (which was
the trigger to call him in)--but that is how Lynch&Frost had it happen.
The roadhouse incident happens that night, and there are clear ties to
what happened earlier that same day:  like the message "Meet me at the
roadhouse 9:30 tonight."  Everyone is still treating Laura's murder as
something that happened that same day.

I'm afraid we can't get around it.  So far, each episode (counting the
movie as one) accounts for one day.  This week's was Monday, the day of
the funeral.

Jon

In article <1990Apr26.234931.8135@alembic.acs.com> csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave Mack) writes:
> >It's probably stupid to post this just a few hours before episode IV,
> >but what the hell...
> >
> >1) During the Tibetan baseball scene, the entire TP Sheriff's Dept.
> >   (Truman, Andy, Hawk, and even Lucy) are in the woods with Cooper.
> >   Who is guarding Ronette Pulaski while this is going on?

After seeing the episode: Prob'ly noone, but it could have been Ed, James...

> >2) Why did Cooper ask Hawk to wear kitchen mittens (pink ones, no less)
> >   while he held the bucket of rocks?

My guess: so that he didn't leave any psychic impressions of his own on the 
bucket or rocks.

> >3) Why didn't Cooper dictate any notes for Diane during episode III?
> >   Did they have a fight? Did the batteries wear out?

It prob'ly just didn't fit into the script, but it is anoying te way he's
ignoring her. He only dictated one note to her in episode 3 (pilot=0)

> >4) Why, in three episodes, has Agent Cooper not bothered to show his
> >   FBI ID to *anyone*? With Albert, it's understandable, but Cooper?

Hmmmnnn..... *maybe* he ISN'T FBI! (nyahhh....)

> >5) What was wrapped in the blood-stained piece of towel which Cooper
> >   referred to as "a nasty piece of work"?

It looked like a bandage to me.

-- _ _ _ The Rule of Fives: All things happen in 5s or multiples of / ) ) ) / 5 or are in some way directly or indirectly related to 5. / / / __/_> "The harder I look the more I find this to be true." / ( (_/(_) \ -Malaclypse the Elder, KSC

In article <24122@netnews.upenn.edu> hodas@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Josh Hodas) writes:
> >Also, the new girl at one-eyed-Jack's did not necesserally work at the
> >perfume counter. She was "freshly scented from the perfume counter..."
> >not "fresh from the perfume counter..."

Hmmnnn.... both Laura and Ronette worked at the perfume counter... does anyone
start to see a trend...

-- _ _ _ The Rule of Fives: All things happen in 5s or multiples of / ) ) ) / 5 or are in some way directly or indirectly related to 5. / / / __/_> "The harder I look the more I find this to be true." / ( (_/(_) \ -Malaclypse the Elder, KSC

Wow so much for Episode 3 (Pilot=0).

A lot of the guesswork done in this newsgroup was right after all.

   There was something odd about the signals with people touching their eyes.
   Everyone who was suspicious of Ed being on a stakeout and getting a Mickey
or didn't think Sheriff Truman was telling the whole truth... WAS right!
   The postulations that Laura was boffing her psychiatrist were correct.

Now for some new work:

   The only difference between Madeline and Laura is hair color (and those damn
dark glasses). The glasses annoyed me because they made it hard to tell that
she was the same actress, but around them her face was the same. One point
though: Who was it who said that Laura from another place had blue eyes?
Madeline's eyes are brown. At least the Madeline we see. What if Madeline's 
eyes are blue? Laura was in a lot of trouble a good way out would have been to
be killed. All she'd have to do is bleach Madeline's hair and kill her. Did
the corpse have brown eyes or blue? And then dye her own hair brown.
   Leland is serious damaged. There ws the bit with the picture in Episode 2
which suggests that he has blood on his hands. there could be a lot of guilt
involved in her death. He might have known what she was into and blames
himself or it could be more serious than that.
   Nadine KNOWS about Ed and Norma! "Last night was wonderful! Just like the
was it used to be!" (or words to that effect) followed by some dialogue abot
Norma and Ed being high school sweet hearts. And some indications of recent
suspicion.
   So those are Bobby's parents.... Oy Gevault! No wonder he turned ot the way
he did. And did anyone expect *Bobby* to be the perceptive one who points out
that the entire town is responsible for Laura's death by way of just not
getting involved.

BTW:

   I couldn't stand the direction in that last episode, not only isn't it up
to Lynch, but it wasn't up to whoever directed Episode 1. The characters were
lifeless. One of the great things about Cooper is his cheeriness. The way he
smiled and beamed while Albert insulted the town and Truman. The way his eye
gleamed when he gave Truma the thumb-up for putting Albert in his place. Also
in the last episode Albert's insults were beautiful, delivered as if he was
just stating facts off the top of his head. This tme it sounded like he was
being deliberately abusive. I could go on and on for each character, but I'd 
like to point out that ONE (1) character survived: Nadine shone. She was 
brilliant in this episode. Is she manic or what? James shows up and she says:
"Who's that?"


-- _ _ _ The Rule of Fives: All things happen in 5s or multiples of / ) ) ) / 5 or are in some way directly or indirectly related to 5. / / / __/_> "The harder I look the more I find this to be true." / ( (_/(_) \ -Malaclypse the Elder, KSC

In article <90116.230606CRANER@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>, CRANER@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
(Richard S. Crane) says:
> >[this newsgroup is almost as good as the show... I *hope* Lynch and some of
> >the others hear about it!]
Well maybe Lynch has not heard about it, but I was reading an article on
TP in the NY Post over someone's shoulder while waiting for my train home
yesterday, and the creation of this newsgroup was mentioned.  So it is
no secret.
                                 Scott Schnackenberg

In article <90116.230606CRANER@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> CRANER@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Richard S. Crane) writes:
> >Still recovering from all the action in tonite's episode.  I'll let the *real*
> >serious watchers dissect all the details, just want to offer Agent Cooper's
> >comment on the huckleberry pie:
> >    "I bet this is where pies go when they die..."
> >

Actually it was "This must be ...."

My favorites all occurred in Albert's speeches. My personal favorite was

"Stupidity is not a necessarily inherent [or inherited??] trait."

Several thoughts after last night's episode--

*  Dr. J.  --  I think he still fits in somehow.  There is a possible
connection between him and the sawmill characters (Josie, etc.)--the
"things" he wears in his ears look like the ear plugs that we were given
when we toured a sawmill.

*  Jerry  --  Does anyone really believe that he bought those baguettes
in France--they look fresh from Safeway to me.  They should be thinner.

*  Love the red theme throughout--even Laura's coffin!

*  The nose theme --  I thought the signal used by the Bookhouse boys
was different from the "finger by the side of the nose" signal that was
used in previous episodes.  Last night's gesture was closer to the
temple.

In article <1990Apr27.153014.27731@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca>,
mposner@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Eli Posner) writes:
|> 
|> My favorites all occurred in Albert's speeches. My personal favorite was
|> 
|> "Stupidity is not a necessarily inherent [or inherited??] trait."

Another big Al classic:

"Oh look, it's trying to think!"


--Greg

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It was pointed out to me that D.L. Cooper was the name of the guy that
jumped of the plane over Washington State some years ago...

In fact, do we know about this guy for sure? Have we seen any identification?
I guess HST wouldn't be stupid enough to not check him out, but I don't
think there were any scenes where he did anything about it.

-- George Ferguson ARPA: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu University of Rochester UUCP: {decvax,rutgers}!rochester!ferguson Rochester NY 14627 VOX: (716) 275-2527

I love the use of "death" and pies: "a cherry pie to die for," "the place
where pies go when they die." Makes me feel uneasy about Cooper's stability.

Albert and the drill was excellent (I thought of Body Double), but Cooper
taking him down a notch seemed stilted.

And as someone else pointed out, the "re-enactment" of the funeral scene
at the diner was really spooky contrast.

Quotes:
"Is that ounce for personal use?" "Yeah." - Cooper and Jacques' brother.
"Look. It's trying to talk." - Albert about HST.

Latest theory:
We know for sure (in case we didn't before) that Jacques and his brother
are French, presumably French-Canadian. So the note that read "Jack with
one eye" was REALLY supposed to read "Jacques with one eh," clearly
implicating the bartender.

Have I got this thing figured or what? Keep those ideas coming.

-- George Ferguson ARPA: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu University of Rochester UUCP: {decvax,rutgers}!rochester!ferguson Rochester NY 14627 VOX: (716) 275-2527

In article <1990Apr27.153014.27731@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca>, mposner@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Eli Posner) writes:
> > Hey, I'm new at this and I already KNOW I've done it wrong.  But if this goes
anywhere - here goes.  I'm brand new at TP.  In fact, I got hooked on the show
listening to you all dissect the shows.  The truth of the matter is, last
night's episode was my first. I'm hooked.  One thought that occurred to me with
regard to why Agent Cooper showed up so fast is "child pornography".  We've
recently had some incidents here in my home town.  If you want to get the FBI
in town quick, call and tell them you suspect someone is transporting child
pornography across state lines.  Now, I'm not sure, but wasn't Laura underage?

Connie

Yes more about eyecolor.

Can someone with the first or second show videotaped, check up on
Laura's eyecolor in the videotape of her and Donna on the mountain.  I thought
they were blue.  Also, I could'nt catch Madeline's eye color through those
glasses, were they hazel?  
Hey, maybe they just have eye's that change color.


-Ilta

In article <1990Apr27.161128.17602@cs.rochester.edu> ferguson@cs.rochester.edu:
> >We know for sure (in case we didn't before) that Jacques and his brother
> >are French, presumably French-Canadian. So the note that read "Jack with
> >one eye" was REALLY supposed to read "Jacques with one eh," clearly
> >implicating the bartender.

No. Cooper recognized that Audrey's perfume= perfume on note and checked out 
her handwriting to verify that she wrote the note. Asking her proved whe meant
the whore house.

-- _ _ _ The Rule of Fives: All things happen in 5s or multiples of / ) ) ) / 5 or are in some way directly or indirectly related to 5. / / / __/_> "The harder I look the more I find this to be true." / ( (_/(_) \ -Malaclypse the Elder, KSC

All last week I thought people on this newsgroup were really getting carried
away trying to decipher Cooper's dream like a code.  "It's just a dream," I
thought.  "It's just weird imagery."

Then along comes Cooper last night and says, "My dream is a code.  Break the
code, solve the crime."

Next thing you know, we'll find out there are two necklaces! :-)

From article <1990Apr27.160246.17140@cs.rochester.edu>, by ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson):

> It was pointed out to me that D.L. Cooper was the name of the guy that
> jumped of the plane over Washington State some years ago...
>

Nah. That was D. *B*. Cooper.


Carl Davidson (508)256-6600 x5967 | In the High and Far-Off Time, the
Apollo Systems Divison, part of H-P | Elephant, Oh Best Beloved, had no
UUCP: {decvax|mit-eddie}!apollo!ced | trunk.
ARPA: ced@apollo.COM; ced@apollo.HP.COM | -- Rudyard Kipling, Just So Stories

In article <Apr.25.23.03.03.1990.9981@toccata.rutgers.edu> rlr@toccata.rutgers.edu (Rich Rosen) writes:
> >BTW, the notion that the border crossed by Ronette was the border with Canada
> >would make the scope of the crime international rather than interstate.  BUT
> >in any case, how does the fact that a murder occurs in one state and someone
> >else who is not murdered crosses a bridge from one state to another necessitate
> >the intervention of the FBI?  I'm not sure I understand the FBI's participation
> >here at all, so I'm either missing something obvious (quite likely) and/or the
> >speculations about a "real" motive for Cooper's being there are well warranted.

The FBI was called in because Ronette's kidnapping/rape/etc. is connected
to Laura's murder (they both occurred in the same place, probably by the
same perpetrators), and Ronette crossed state lines, therefore the whole case
comes under FBI jurisdiction.
-- Brett Slocum <uunet!hi-csc!slocum> or <hi-csc!slocum@uunet.uu.net> Sip. SPIT! "DAMN good coffee ... and Hot, too!" -Agent Dale Cooper, Twin Peaks.

In article <49ffe4f8.805@hi-csc.UUCP>, slocum@hi-csc.UUCP (Brett Slocum) writes:
> > In article <685@unicorn.WWU.EDU> n8949802@unicorn.WWU.EDU (nadja adolf) writes:
>> > >Well, other inconsistencies are
>> > >1) EXACTLY what state line can you walk across near the coast in Washington?
>> > >   You could cross an international border, but not a state line.
> > 
> > How about the Washington/Oregon border?  Both of these states are
> > logging states,
> > and the area she walked into was very similar to the Washington scenes.
> > Does this even need to be a ocean coastline, though?  All of the areas 
> > I've seen near
> > water are lakes and rivers.  The Sound at biggest, maybe.

I have camped on lakes that are man-made and on which the
water levels are controlled by, yes, paper mills.  I have
seen the water level fall several inches a day, when they are
letting water out.  It is very possible that the plastic 
wrapped body was found on the shore of just such a lake,
and, as you recall, when the scene returned to the body,
there was a large flat of land behind it.  Just like the 
tide went out, or a flat that was uncovered when the water
level was lowered several inches by a paper mill - seems
like there is a mill in Twins Peaks, isn't there????


The foghorn?  Well, ever see a cowboy movie where there
are contrails on the sky?  Sometimes it is tough to edit
out ALL the intrusive sounds.  Or, they left the sound in
because it fit in so nicely and effectively...

In article <15412@bfmny0.UU.NET> tneff@bfmny0.UU.NET (Tom Neff) writes:
> >When Cooper said "no, it *can* wait till morning," I interpreted it to
> >mean  [three possibilities discussed]

What I think happened was that Truman asked "Can't it wait until morning?"
since he was peeved at being awoken in the middle of the night.  After
all, Cooper only called to have him meet him.  He didn't call to 
tell him who the murderer was.  

-- Brett Slocum <uunet!hi-csc!slocum> or <hi-csc!slocum@uunet.uu.net> Sip. SPIT! "DAMN good coffee ... and Hot, too!" -Agent Dale Cooper, Twin Peaks.

Would whoever posted the Laura <=> Madeline in-an-old-movie scenario
please (re)post the details of whatever film you were refering to?

And BTW, check your VCRs, I say Lucy was the new girl at one-eyed jack's...

"...and HOT too!"

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mok@pawl.rpi.edu (Malachi Orion Kelerison) writes:

> >   I couldn't stand the direction in that last episode, not only isn't it up
> >to Lynch, but it wasn't up to whoever directed Episode 1. The characters were
> >lifeless. One of the great things about Cooper is his cheeriness. The way he
> >smiled and beamed while Albert insulted the town and Truman. The way his eye
> >gleamed when he gave Truma the thumb-up for putting Albert in his place. Also
> >in the last episode Albert's insults were beautiful, delivered as if he was
> >just stating facts off the top of his head. This tme it sounded like he was
> >being deliberately abusive. I could go on and on for each character, but I'd 
> >like to point out that ONE (1) character survived: Nadine shone. She was 
> >brilliant in this episode. Is she manic or what? James shows up and she says:
> >"Who's that?"

While this director had a different style, it made the episode seem fresh to me
and I'm looking forward to seeing new directors in the last few episodes.

Changing the subject - if ABC decides not renew the show I hope they let 
Frost & Lynch know early enough so that they can add a final ending rather
than a cliffhanger. In some ways I'd rather they didn't renew it. I have a 
feeling that the show will begin to stoop to a lowest common denominator within
a year or so. We, the fanatic viewing audience, are already actually noticing
changes in directors & writers, which is rare for TV. What happens when they
start to schlock this stuff together?

Ron

Some questions to ponder:

1. Why was Audrey's father at the Morgue instead of Leland Palmer?

2. Audrey's father said something like

"...I know I speak for everyone, the Palmer family included,
  ..."
   when saying that Laura should be buried right away.  The way he
   said it, it seemed that he cares more for Laura than Leland does.
   (Maybe I'm wrong).  It is at this point, we see Leland watching
   the beginning of the Soap Opera on TV, where the [grand]father
   is writing a suicide not to his daughters.  Notice how this
   character added the second daughter's name as an afterthought?  As
   if she might not really be his daughter?  Any connection?  Maybe
   Mr. Horne is just there to make sure that the FBI doesn't find
   something he doesn't want them too...

3. Why did Audrey know that Laura worked at the Perfume counter, but
   didn't know that Ronette worked there as well?

4. I hope that the two Canadians' accent isn't supposed to be French!
   If it was, then it was a terrible job!  British Columbians don't
   have such accents either.  Nor do they usually have French names!
   Are they from somewhere else?

5. In the slow-mo during the funeral scene, is all that is said
   "I'll kill you?"  I recall hearing a normal-speed voice as well,
   and a VERY slow voice that I couldn't discern.  What was said?

6. Laura's mom cried to her husband "Don't ruin this TOO!" when he
   was taking a ride on the casket.  It sounded like she meant that
   he had ruined everything else for Laura.  Does this confirm 
   someone's theory about Leland giving her away, or knowing about
   her problems?

7. It seems that whenever Lucy writes something down, it is a hint to
   viewers.  Maybe she serves a purpose other than just comic relief
   after all!  

There's my insight for the day...


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In article <9280002@hp-ptp.HP.COM> you write:
> >
> >  My theory for the "backwards" speech is the actors spoke their lines
> >  backwards pronouncing the sound of each word backwards. Then when 
> >  editing, they reversed it. You got the sound of backwards speech but 
> >  could understand what they said.
> >
> >  just a theory, 
> >
> >  John C.

I agree very much with John C.'s theory with a minor difference.  And I have
read about instances of people doing this before.

The actors speak their lines like normal.  Then these lines are played 
backwards and the actors listen to them trying to discern patterns and then
they speak these phonetic patterns and they are recorded.  Finally 
these patterns are reversed giving a backwards sounding effect but the sounds
sound like words so we recognize them.

I think David Lynch would opt for this more brute force method rather than
using a digitizer of any sort.

Dan <geiser@cis.ohio-state.edu>



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I also think the murderer is Dr. Will Hayward, the doctor who delivered
Laura.  Someone else posted some reasons, and here's two more: when he
picked up his daughter Donna from the police station after James Hurley
was arrested, he seemed overly kind and forgiving in the car ("I
understand you were supposed to put some air in the tires").  I think
that following this conversation, while driving to pick up the bicycle,
he got Donna to tell him where she hid the necklace, which they went and
dug up together. (There's no way anyone could have found it just by
knowing the location unless they were there when James put the rock on
it; they would've had to be in the woods watching the two of them, and
it would be too malicious of Lynch to put the murderer just at the right
place in the woods at the right time.)  He then gave it to Dr. Jacoby,
the shrink, later -- who knows why.  This means Donna knows the necklace
is no longer buried.

This is better than `Clue'.

-- J

Has anybody mentioned Nadine's obsession with silent runners, and the
science fiction movie Silent Running?  I guess it's just another one
of those silly jokes, like Ben and Jerry.  Silent Running has a kind
of cult status among some folks.
-- Rae D. Stabosz University of Delaware stabosz@sun.acs.udel.edu

okay, I'm really disappointed; I hope last night's show was not
an indication of what's to come now that Lynch is done directing 

the only good part was the funeral...the slowing down of
Bobby's voice was slightly satanic...or Dune-ish..remember the
Voice that the women used.... and I, too, LOVED Shelly re enacting
the scene in the diner...it was GREAT!

But the acting was very shallow, nothing too imaginative with the
cinematography...anything that could have been visually interesting
just made me think "they're trying to copy Lynch"; less unique than
forced...

My favorite quote:

HST:  Damn.
Lucy: Damn.

Is anyone else a little bothered that Cooper 'forgot' the name
of the killer?  Contrasted with his memory of everyone's police
record, and other little details, I found it a little strange.  Not
strange good, though, just an annoying plot trick.  I guess he
probably thought he would never forget it, so he didn't write it down,
but I'm pretty sure he did remember it when he called HST; you don't
just FORGET something that important...

and when he mentioned buying property in TP that was also a little
annoying.  Okay, okay, he has mentioned that he just loooves it there;
didn't think places like this existed anymore...but am I the only one
who thought, "and here's the connection if the series gets renewed..."
one of the things I liked best about TP was that it didn't seem to
care about 'outside' things like ratings and renewals...but I guess
one has to be realistic; it's all a big money game, and without both
of the above, this wonderful group would probably die out!

enough complaining, I suppose.

oh yeah, someone mentioned the 'secret place' imagery; seemed
appropriate somehow with the funeral and the burial and all...things
being put away and sealed up.  Wonder what secrets the coffin
holds...?

Damn!

ann

Yes, ALbert's quotes were great, but a bit of an easy goal, I thought.
My personal favorite line was when Cooper had ordered his huckleberry
pie and then he turned to Ed casually and said, "So, Ed, how long have
you been in love with Norma?"

Whatta character! (in all senses of the word)

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In article <4a0e75e8.805@hi-csc.UUCP> slocum@hi-csc.UUCP (Brett Slocum) writes:
}In article <15412@bfmny0.UU.NET> tneff@bfmny0.UU.NET (Tom Neff) writes:
}>When Cooper said "no, it *can* wait till morning," I interpreted it to
}>mean  [three possibilities discussed]
}
}What I think happened was that Truman asked "Can't it wait until morning?"
}since he was peeved at being awoken in the middle of the night.  After
}all, Cooper only called to have him meet him.  He didn't call to 
}tell him who the murderer was.  


No...Cooper called him and said "I know who murdered Laura Palmer"...
I imagine this would have excited HST very much, and I doubt he
was peeved at being woken up (he IS the sherrif after all...)

Another poster mentioned that HST probably said something like,
"What?  This can't wait til morning!!" or something like this, in
response to Cooper calmly asking to meet for breakfast.  To which
Cooper responds "no, it *can* wait til morning."

seems the most logical.

ann

In article <1990Apr27.035446.26692@cec1.wustl.edu> sjl8335@cec2.UUCP (Scott James Ladewig) writes:
...At least the cousin
> >has different color hair than Laura.  It would have been a
> >bit much for for her to be exactly the same. Imagin what
> >kind of response Leland would have had had he seen a double
> >of his daughter.  The guy has really flipped!

Personally, I expect to see a "Vertigo" effect between Leland and his niece
[or is that *too* predictable?]

-- | Brandi Weed bweed@jarthur.claremont.edu!uunet!jarthur!bweed |

In article <220@beguine.UUCP> Robert.Berry@samba.acs.unc.edu (BBS Account) writes:
> >I think we need to establish a definition of "spoilers" here.  I'm fairly
> >new to the net, but my understanding is this:
> >

A message that should be marked as a "spoiler" is one that contains
information about an upcoming show that would "ruin" your enjoyment of that
show if you knew about it ahead of time. It's also considered polite to
mention which episode of the show the spoiler might refer to if it's not the
next one.

This would typically be provided by people who already have seen the show
before it is aired widely elsewhere. For example with Star Trek - The New
Generation there is almost a two week period from when the first few people
see it (for example by getting it from the satellite feed) to when the last
few people see it broadcast by their local stations.

With Twin Peaks there is a two day window between when I see it (Tuesday at
10:00 PM) and the main ABC broadcast (Thursday at 9:00 PM). I like to make
postings commenting on it while it is still fresh so I mark them as spoilers
so you can delay reading them until after you have seen the episode.

-- Stuart.Lynne@wimsey.bc.ca ubc-cs!van-bc!sl 604-937-7532(voice) 604-939-4768(fax)

In article <LA1#-Z#@rpi.edu> mok@pawl.rpi.edu (Malachi Orion Kelerison) writes:
> >
> >   I couldn't stand the direction in that last episode, not only isn't it up
> >to Lynch, but it wasn't up to whoever directed Episode 1. 

I agree 100%.  This episode bore very little evidence of
Lynch's hand (the napkin-dispenser-as-coffin excluded.) 
In retrospect, however, this episode moved the plot along,
introducing Madelein, setting the dream out as a code,
introducing the Bookhouse Gang, and setting up a Cooper
permanent residence in TP. ABC is walking a tightrope here,
because, as others have pointed out, the series is slipping
in the ratings.  ABC is trying to keep the viewers who were
just watching "Father Dowling" from losing interest in TP.
So this episode was longer on "substance" for those viewers
who are watching TP primarily as a murder mystery.

I just can't imagine the sustained quirkiness and freshness of
Lynch's vision lasting on network TV.  Too many compromising
factors conspire: the difficulty of the longer term
creativity, week after week;  the conservatism of the
networks;  and the shallow attention span of the majority of
the viewership.  As someone noted here, ABC is afraid the
dream scene went too far ... a disappointing thought.

I hope I'm wrong.  Thursday's Wall St. Journal had an
article about (Mark?) Igor, the new VP at ABC who courted
Lynch.  The encouraging observation was that he has been
able to sign other, non-traditional talents as a result of
the reputation he gained in giving Lynch so much freedom.

Mark Crovella
Dept of Computer Science, University of Rochester, Rochester NY 14627   
UUCP: {decvax,rutgers}!rochester!crovella      ARPA: crovella@cs.rochester.edu
-- Mark Crovella, Dept of Computer Science, University of Rochester, Rochester NY 14627 (716) 275-1448 UUCP: {decvax,rutgers}!rochester!crovella ARPA: crovella@cs.rochester.edu

In article <1990Apr25.155344.22001@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca> mposner@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Eli Posner) writes:



> >Don't you think that it's pretty wierd that Cooper wakes from this
> >supposedly revealing dream/vision and immediately calls and wakes up
> >HST 

Why would Cooper want to call Hunter S. Thompson? :-)
--
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In article <40585@apple.Apple.COM>, barr@Apple.COM (Ron Barr) says:
> >
> >mok@pawl.rpi.edu (Malachi Orion Kelerison) writes:
> >
>> >>   I couldn't stand the direction in that last episode, not only isn't it up
>> >>to Lynch, but it wasn't up to whoever directed Episode 1. The characters were
>> >>lifeless.

[other comments deleted]

>> >>but I'd like to point out that ONE (1) character survived: Nadine shone. She e
>> >>was brilliant in this episode. Is she manic or what? James shows up and she
>> >>says: "Who's that?"

> >While this director had a different style, it made the episode seem fresh to
> >me

I have to agree with this Malachi person.  The way this episode was directed
was just regular TV--good, but not as good as the brilliance of last week's
episode, or the pilot either, come to that.  The way I would characterise it
would be the difference between stereo and mono sound systems--the music is
the same, but there's no depth.  Nadine is the only one who was scary to
me--I really dislike her.

Besides, the whole attraction of this show is the various ways it is throwing
things into doubt, rather than confirming or explaining things.  This means
that silly speculation of the sort we saw with the "shadow nose/knows"
cannot even be dismissed at 100%, no matter how much we want to.  This
week's episode was like a great explanation sequence, and so rather than
undermining our sensibilities, the director was in fact confirming them
(of course, there is enough of a residual sense of doubt that this whole
episode may be undermined by further ones, which would truly be an
interesting move).

> >and I'm looking forward to seeing new directors in the last few episodes.

I'm not; even if the whole episode is to be undermined, we still had to sit
through the wooden and heavyhanded direction (check out the redness
quotient in the episode, if you don't think that's overdone maybe
you actually only have a black and white TV).

> >Changing the subject - if ABC decides not renew the show I hope they let
> >Frost & Lynch know early enough so that they can add a final ending rather
> >than a cliffhanger.

Are you implying that the episodes haven't been made yet?  I haven't seen
any discussion on this, and would be interested in knowing.

> >In some ways I'd rather they didn't renew it.

You're spot on.  I hope they don't either.  The chances are that
Kyle would not appear on a regular basis, and without him, half the
point of watching is gone.

--                                                      ele@psuvm.psu.edu
jeremy..                                        crampton@yon.geog.psu.edu

Some spoilers later on, so skip if you haven't seen the show...


In article <10721@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:

> > Well, I sure hope that this represents the low point for the series.
> > Otherwise, without Lynch's guiding hand, this series just won't make
> > it. I thought the script, direction, photography, and acting painfully
> > pedestrian this time around.

That's a matter of personal taste.  I am betting that the network 
said something about preventing the show from being too weird (not
that I approve...).  Besides, for those who haven't had access to a
newsgroup to talk about it, it was a good episode for tying loose ends
together.

> > The scene with Leland
> > Palmer on the coffin was the only Lynchian bit of inspired weirdness,
> > and because it was the only one, it stuck out like a sore thumb and
> > ended up looking stupid rather than inspired.

Actually it was quite revealing.  I claim that it confirms my
suspicions that Leland had an incestuous relationship with his
daughter.  Reasons?  

1)  He was devastated by her death, and the blood on his hands thing.
2)  What's his name accusing everyone of not helping her even though
they new she had problems.  
3)  Leland's wife says something like "Don't mess this up too" which 
indicates that she knew that he was abusing his daughter, but did
nothing.  She seemed adopt an accusatory tone then one that resembled 
embarassment.
4)  He screams, and jumps on her coffin.  The coffin goes up and down
uncontrollably, an obvious refernece to the incest.  Leland freaks
because he can't do "it" anymore.  
5)  The dance scene - he wants Laura, but she isn't there to "dance"
with him.

Speculation?  Yes, but I'm betting we'll hear about it in a later
episode.  

> > (e) An explanation is found for the line "Sometimes my arms bend back"
> > that has nothing to do with Nadine. But...that doesn't mean that the
> > Nadine connection isn't still valid.

One of the opening scenes had Laura's ex boyfriend making the same
pose in front of a crucifix.  The palm tree fronds in the background
reminded me of an angel's wings...

> > "How different in my native willage. Soft
> >  music. Wiolins. The happy people sitting
> >  on their balalaikas, playing their samovars."


LA CUCARACHA!!!!! LA CUCARACHA!!!!

In article <1990Apr27.160246.17140@cs.rochester.edu> ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson) writes:

> > It was pointed out to me that D.L. Cooper was the name of the guy that
> > jumped of the plane over Washington State some years ago...

Try DB Cooper.  There was a movie made that theorized what happened to
him (DB).

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I still don't really feel like I understand the "sometimes my arms bend back"
thing.  As far as I remember, the interchange goes something like this: "How do
you like my cousin?  She looks just like Laura Palmer, doesn't she?"  "But she
*is* Laura Palmer, aren't you?"  "I feel like I know her *but* sometimes my
arms bend back."  The arms bending back are *preventing* her from knowing/being
Laura Palmer.  Perhaps this supports the "Laura isn't the one who's dead"
hypothesis?

I'm surprised that no one has yet mentioned the opening credits of the soap
opera the Palmers are watching right before Madeline shows up.  The second
actress was shown as playing two characters, one a "good girl" type and the
other a "bad girl/girl in trouble" type.  Very significant, if you ask me.

Did we see the One-armed Man shoot Killer Bob in Cooper's dream?  He says we
did, but I don't think so.  I think they expected to have that bit from the
Euro-film in the dream, but it didn't make it.  (Remember, episode #2 was shot
out of order, so the flashback to the dream was filmed before the Euro footage
was edited into the dream.)

I have to disagree with those who have said the episode dragged or was
horrible.  I liked it a lot.  It wasn't Lynch, but it was someone who knew what
they were doing, and I think she acheived a good balance between mimicing
Lynch's style to give us continuity and doing her own thing to be creative.  It
was certainly better than #1.

-- Andy Perry; Swarthmore College
   AWP92@campus.swarthmore.edu OR AWP92@swarthmr.bitnet
Best TP interchange so far:
"How do you like your coffee?"
"As black as the sky on a moonless night."
[pause] "Pretty black."

rand@merrimack.edu writes:

> >In article <19068.263814b8@merrimack.edu>, rand@merrimack.edu writes:
>> >> A-L-B-E-R-T   R-O-S-E-N-F-E-L-D leaves Twin Peaks on a good note:
>> >> 
>> >> "Mr. Horne, I realize that your position in this fair community pretty
>> >> well guarantees vainality*, insincerity, and a rather irritating
>> >> method of expressing yourself. Stupidity, however, is not a

> >Sorry, I fogot the footnote (*):

> >* I originally thought this was 'banality' but several viewings makes
> >me think Albert coined this new form of the root 'vain'.

I'll wager it was "venality", a synonym for evil.

Ron

What's the story with Cooper saying that HST and Lucy were in
his dream??
I don't really catch that. He didn't elaborate on that point at all.


Damn good Audrey. And HOT too.

Just watched the episode again and have a couple things to point out:
1) Audrey did not confirm or deny that the note meant 'One Eyed Jacks'.  The 
exchange went something like this:
Cooper "Why did you write the note?"
Audrey "I thought you could use the help"
Cooper "What is One Eyed Jacks?"

Audrey did not interpret the note, but I have an interpretation.  When
you notice that Audrey looks at Cooper with bedroom eyes all the time, then
the note takes on a very strong sexual connotation.  

2) Leo is obviously lying about being in Butte.  He did call his wife "at about
that time" but he also showed up too early the next day, as shown in the pilot.

3) When Cooper mentions to Diane that he might pick up some Real Estate he
is more than preparing to stick around.  He is also telling us that he has a
good suspect (I'd say Leo).  He tells Diane that he will be able to get the 
property cheap, indicating that someone is going to be leaving soon, against
their will.  Note the way Cooper was admiring Leo's place.

4) When Jacques called Leo, he called from "The Phone booth at the Cash and 
Carry".   Can we say convenience store, boys and girls?

As a side note, the music played at the party after the funeral seemed odd 
for the type of day it had been.

Also, I really like Albert, even though he is an ass.  (I think he is just
misunderstood :-) I don't think his lines were fake at all, and I thought the
"Oh, look, it's trying to think" was perfectly timed and executed.  A real
good performance, to bad he's leaving so soon :-)

On the thought about clashing time periods, Dr Jacoby is obviously our 
representative from the 60's.

gene

.-.
|M|y personal favorite (paraphrased) was also from Albert:
`-' "There's no telling what I could have learned if I'd
    had that body for a few more days."  Brrr.

<_Jym_>

In article <19067.26380b48@merrimack.edu> rand@merrimack.edu writes:
> >What did Laura Palmer's mother mean when she said to her 'elevator'
> >riding husband "Don't ruin it _again_!" ?

Wasn't it more like "Don't ruin this too"?  Anyway, it could have a
dark meaning, or it could just be the usual thing she says to him,
you're always doing the wrong this, don't ruin this too.  (He certainly
made a mess of Laura's photo.)

> >What's the significance of some of the major players NOT being in the
> >opening credits but in the Guest list?

It's been that way from the very start.  Its significance is mostly
financial.  Regular actors, in opening credits, get a weekly salary
whether they have anything to do or not.  Guest stars are hired and paid
only for the particular episode.  Of course the distinction may be
partly a result of bargaining in the first place:  "If you want me, make
me a Regular" or contrariwise "Ok, I'll do the show but don't list me as
a regular, that way I can still take outside jobs if they come up."  We
on the outside can only guess at the reasons, but they are sure to be
pragmatic rather than significant storywise.  Note that some of the most
important characters, like Leo and Sarah Palmer and Lucy and the 2
deputies, are in the Also Starring list after the show starts.

I'm amused by some of the notes that seem to say that certain elements
in this or that episode were a response to audience reaction, or network
pressures after the premiere.  Every episode was in the can and complete
long ago.


Jon

In article <19067.26380b48@merrimack.edu> rand@merrimack.edu writes:
}What is the significance of Cooper telling HST and the dip they were
                                                    ^^^^^^^
}in his dream?

the dip?  that's not fair; I think Lucy deserves more credit than that.

ann

no one has mentioned that *laura had the letter J in her stomach*!!!
on some plastic thing that is going to be analyzed later...or was the
plastic in the shape of the J....or were the plastic and the J two 
separate things?

*anyway* I thought it was pretty significant!!!

ann

Yo!  Dig what dawson@apollo.HP.COM (Keith Dawson) sez:
-     
-III. Where did Cooper get that map of Tibet? It looked like one of those
-     old heavy oilcloth jobs that were used in schools in the 50's. It had
-     no folds in it, so he wasn't packing it with him. Bet Cooper would
-     have been hard-pressed to locate such a map in NYC, let alone in TP.

He probably got it from the local high school, where they would still
have maps that pull down above the blackboard (hell, they probably
still have black blackboards in Twin Peaks).

-- David Bedno aka dave@sco.COM: Speaking from but not for SCO. "A steam engine has always got character. It's the most human of all man-made machines." - Reverend William Vere Awdrey

In article <90116.230606CRANER@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu>,
CRANER@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Richard S. Crane) writes:
> > ... just want to offer Agent Cooper's
> > comment on the huckleberry pie:
> >     "I bet this is where pies go when they die..."
> > as the best of this hour.

There were several good lines.  I particularly liked the
commercial break where they showed the TP title image and
Lucy said "I think it's time for a donut".

> > [this newsgroup is almost as good as the show... I *hope* Lynch and some of
> > the others hear about it!]

I'm feeding back assorted articles via Scott Frost, currently
about once per week.  Maybe on the next phone call I'll find out
whether they've reached David Lynch & Mark Frost yet.


----------------
Paul Raveling
Raveling@isi.edu

    In response to the question about where Kimmie Robertson has appeared
before, she had a bit part in "Honey, I Shrunk the Kids" as part of the
couple that the Szalinskis' neighbors, the Taylors (?) (you know, the Matt
Frewer character), were to go fishing with.  Hmmm, as I look back on that
sentence, it's a little confusing, but I hope you get the idea.
-- Reid W. Carson (uunet!pyrdc!eliot!reidc) - Unitech Software, Inc. What I tell you three times is true.

hey, and what about in that preview for next week...

the lama...

dali lama (however you spell it...)

haha haha.

ann

In article <40585@apple.Apple.COM>, barr@Apple.COM (Ron Barr) writes:

> > In some ways I'd rather they didn't renew it. I have a 
> > feeling that the show will begin to stoop to a lowest common
denominator within
> > a year or so.

On the other hand it often takes awhile to "work the bugs out"
in a new show & develop the sort of synergy that pulls it
together into something better.  A couple examples of shows
that (in my opinion) improved a fair bit with seasoning are
MASH and Star Trek TNG.

If Twin Peaks' 1st season is accepted well enough, it could provide
a foot in the door for a higher standard in network TV.  My main
fear is that ABC could drop it if the couch potatos who vegetate
on mindless mundane shows tune out.


----------------
Paul Raveling
Raveling@isi.edu

Reading through a.t.t-p makes me think that David Lynch and Co.
would get a big kick out of reading all this stuff.  He could
even try to maneuver future plot twists around our theories
(some of which are bound to be correct), and we could in turn
try our hand at boxing him in (i.e. testing his creativity).
True interactive video.....

Seriously, the stuff I've been reading would probably even freak
David Lynch out, and undoubtedly spurr on his creativity.  Any
rich people out there want to send him a terminal and a network
account?
g

In article <JYM.90Apr26103144@eris.berkeley.edu> jym@eris.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:
> >.-.
> >|T|he thing to do is make sure all your Neilsen family friends get
> >`-'addicted to the show.  And talk it up to all your friends, in
> >   particular, your friends who don't like television!
  Right!  Seemingly lots of folks watch Cheers and tape Peaks, since Peaks
is an instant classic and we'll want to watch it over and over (sometimes
my mind bends back).  Can Nielson or other ratings determine if Peaks is
being watched (on tape delay), or are they only attuned to the channel sel-
ector for live broadcast?
  Let's rock!

In article <Apr.26.22.42.12.1990.10777@toccata.rutgers.edu>,
rlr@toccata.rutgers.edu (Rich Rosen) writes:

> > I didn't videotape it, but as I recall:
> > 
> > - The person (name forgotten) who first mentioned the European version
> >of TP in this newsgroup was Norwegian.
> > 
> > - The person (name forgotten again) who is able to divine the
> > occurrences in episodes not yet seen (due to the local
> > station broadcasting the show two days earlier on Tuesdays)
> > is from British Columbia, which is the Canadian province
> > immediately north of Washington state in which the 
> > casino/bordello One Eyed Jack's is located.
> > 
> > I'm not sure what to make of this.

The question is, should anyone even *try* to make anything of this?  In other
words, just how much *does* Rich know?  And, can he be trusted?

Notice that Rich posts from a machine called 'toccata'.  If we rearrange the
letters in the word 'toccata', we can form the phrase 'to tacca'.  Now, in
Norwegian, the word 'to' means 'two'.  And 'tacca' rhymes with 'bakke', which
is a Norwegian word meaning 'hill'.  Hence:

  'toccata' --> 'to tacca' --> 'to' 'bakke' --> 'two' 'hill' --> twin peaks

I will leave it to the reader to draw the obvious conclusions.

---
Barbara Petersen
..{apple, claris, dlb, tandem, teraida}!netcom!petersen    petersen@netcom.uucp
 "And when their eloquence escapes me, their logic ties me up and rapes me...."

In article <24139@netnews.upenn.edu> lewis@eniac.seas.upenn.edu.UUCP (Matt Lewis) writes:
> >And BTW, check your VCRs, I say Lucy was the new girl at one-eyed jack's...

I'm sure it's not.  The "new girl" has a cleft chin, Lucy doesn't.
Also, the "fresh from the perfume counter" comment doesn't work for
Lucy.  Nope.  Lucy's honor is unbesmirched. 

I couldn't find the new girl in the credits, but that may not mean 
anything, since none of the other (non-speaking) females were 
listed in the credits either.  Probably just extras.
-- - Barry gingrich%tisl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu OR bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU

In article <55439@bbn.COM> telex@mikey.bbn.com (Telex Operator) writes:
> >Hey, maybe they just have eye's that change color.

...or somebody wears colored contact lenses.  You gotta admit, though,
Madeleine looks quite a bit different from Laura.  The only way I could
tell it was the same actress was to look at her mouth.  She has a very
distinctive mouth structure. 

-- - Barry gingrich%tisl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu OR bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU

In article <13331@csli.Stanford.EDU> podlozny@csli.stanford.edu (Ann Podlozny) writes:
> >hey, and what about in that preview for next week...
> >dali lama (however you spell it...)

I always figured that a Dali Llama would be surrounded 
by melting clocks and flaming telephones...oh, never mind.
-- - Barry gingrich%tisl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu OR bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU

cjoslyn@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu (Cliff Joslyn) writes:

> >So, someone who has a tape: was there a chain on the whole heart?  What
> >kind, gold or thong?

It was a gold chain.


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  A couple of people have remarked on incongruities between Cooper's dream
as we saw it and Cooper's dream as described by him to HST and Lucy:

> > What is the significance of Cooper telling HST and the dip they were
> > in his dream? 
 
> > Did we see the One-armed Man shoot Killer Bob in Cooper's dream?  He says we
> > did, but I don't think so.  I think they expected to have that bit from the
> > Euro-film in the dream, but it didn't make it.  (Remember, episode #2 was shot
> > out of order, so the flashback to the dream was filmed before the Euro footage
> > was edited into the dream.)
 
  My guess is that the "missing time" during the day of the episode ending in 
the dream was stuff cut out to make room for the dream sequence being tacked
on the end of the episode from the Euro version.  The original may either have
had a different dream sequence OR none at all (my bet).  If you listen to 
DC's description of his dream all by itself, it has a very surreal, quirky 
feel to it that fits him just right, even (especially?) if we HADN'T seen the
dream ourselves.

  This theory would explain the problem with Cooper knowing about (Hawk's
sketch of) Sarah Palmer's vision of Killer Bob: he might have seen the sketch
ORIGINALLY during the "missing day".  THEN it could have been re-edited to go
in next week's show because the inclusion of the Euro dream sequence didn't
leave enough time for it.

  Or something like that ....

  PS: And hey, leave poor Lucy alone--"dip" indeed!

  PPS: Speaking of Lucy, if she IS the new girl at OEJ's, notice that SHE was
the one who went quite out of her way to get DC to allow OEJ to be erased from
the J list.  Hmmmmm ....

  --  Fritz Ruehr
      kfr@dip.eecs.umich.edu

Oh dear, what a difference a director can make.  Yesterday's episode
wasn't nearly as good as the others -- really flat, soap-ish.  The actors
behaved differently, it was visible from the very first seconds (Audrey
and Cooper).  Makes one realize how much depends on director's personality
and the atmosphere he creates on the set.
Well, every series has a filler, "The Prisoner" had its "Girl Who
Was Death" just to fill the 17 episodes requirement.  Let's hope things
will go back to normal beginning next week.

Jan BielawskiInternet:jbielawski@ucsd.edu
Bitnet:jbielawski@ucsd.bitnet
Dept. of MathUUCP:jbielawski@ucsd.uucp
UCSD  ( {ucsd,sdcsvax}!{igrad1,sdcc6}!ma299ai )

In article <19068.263814b8@merrimack.edu> rand@merrimack.edu writes:
> >A-L-B-E-R-T   R-O-S-E-N-F-E-L-D leaves Twin Peaks on a good note:
> >
> >"Mr. Horne, I realize that your position in this fair community pretty
> >well guarantees vainality*, insincerity, and a rather irritating
> >method of expressing yourself.

And now Professor Drukman's vocabulary lesson for the day:

venal \'ve-n-*l\ \*l-e-\ aj [L venalis, fr. venum (acc.) sale; akin to Gk 
   o-neisthai t]o buy,Skt vasna price : capable of being bought or obtained 
   for money or other valuable consideration : PURCHASABLE; esp : mercenary 
   corrupt - ve.nal.ly av

ve.nal.i.ty \vi-'nal-*t-e-\ n : the quality or state of being venal esp. as 
   open to improper influence or bribery

A very very nasty insult, as you can see!

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In article <13329@csli.Stanford.EDU> podlozny@csli.stanford.edu (Ann Podlozny) writes:
<In article <19067.26380b48@merrimack.edu> rand@merrimack.edu writes:
<}What is the significance of Cooper telling HST and the dip they were
<                                                    ^^^^^^^
<}in his dream?
<
<the dip?  that's not fair; I think Lucy deserves more credit than that.

Also, have you noticed how Lucy's character was directed in the
last episode?  She was made into a typical soap airhead.  (When Cooper
"explains" his dream for example.)  In other episodes she was a real, full,
nice person.  Those delicate inflections of her voice, movements...  None
of this in yesterday's episode.

Jan BielawskiInternet:jbielawski@ucsd.edu
Bitnet:jbielawski@ucsd.bitnet
Dept. of MathUUCP:jbielawski@ucsd.uucp
UCSD  ( {ucsd,sdcsvax}!{igrad1,sdcc6}!ma299ai )

Confessions of a tapehead...

 * Cooper was definitely throwing at MILK bottles, because when he
hit the trashcan instead (name: Johnny Horne) there was the wire
basket sitting next to it, with more bottles inside.

 * The neon sign for One Eyed Jacks has a red "J" and a Jack facing
to the right, indicating Hearts.  However the pleasure girls inside
(not the bartender or Blackie) were wearing Club necklaces.

 * That bloody washcloth (or whatever) also shows up in one (1) frame of
the dream, sitting on a spotlit mantelpiece in a dark room of some kind.

 * About R, T and circles in the baseball scene: The two letters are
written at the same height on the board, but far apart, like

 R                   T

almost as if something was supposed to go BETWEEN them.  After Cooper is
done explaining about Tibet, he flips the board and R/T are still uncircled.
The cut comes in this dialog:

You will recall on the day of her death Laura Palmer wrote the 
entry in her diary: "Nervous about meeting 'J' tonight."

-- CUT --

[ R and T are now circled. ]

Today, we're going to concentrate on the J's.

[ Cooper reaches up and circles the letter J. ]

To me this implies that the excised dialog had Cooper saying something about
what R and T meant, or what he had done to investigate their meaning.

 * I'm not going to recite it all, but replay that interaction with Lucy,
Cooper, Hawk and the Sheriff about Jack With One Eye some time.  It's great!

 * INVITATION TO LOVE is what we've been waiting for - the TV show within
a TV show.  We saw the titles once before, when Shelley meets Bobby in the
house while Leo's out.  The gloved hand deposits a card on... blue velvet.
In the 4/26 episode the snippet of ITL neatly and eerily parallels the
"live" action.   (Note the "cousins" Emerald and Jade, played by one
actress.)

 * Cooper pretty much gets Audrey to admit that she slipped the Jack With
One Eye note under his door, but he DOESN'T ask her what it means.  Instead
he asks "What is One Eyed Jack's?" to which she *instantly* responds "It's
a place up north..."  But we heard Truman tell Cooper what it was already,
in the Tibetan scene.  So something funny may be going on.  

 * In the dream sequence we're shown, neither Truman nor Lucy appear.
"Mike" talks directly to Cooper (or Sarah Palmer), and says he cut his
arm off when he saw the face of God.  Bobby appears and threatens to
kill again, but nothing is resolved.  *BUT* when Cooper recounts his
dream to the Sheriff and Lucy, he says they were in the dream, that
Mike called him on the phone, and that Mike cut his arm off because of
Bobby's killing -- then he shot Bobby when he was going to kill again.
It seems like the dream sequence was altered or cut after the scene
in this week's epi was shot.

 * When Cooper tells Diane he's thinking of purchasing some property
at what he *assumes* will be a very reasonable price, it seems to me
he could be talking about several things.  The Great Northern?  The
sawmill?  Or yeah, just Leo's place.

In article <2282@media-lab.MEDIA.MIT.EDU>, adamk@media-lab.MEDIA.MIT.EDU (Adam Kao) writes...

} In article <13300@csli.Stanford.EDU> podlozny@csli.stanford.edu (Ann Podlozny) writes:

}} ... could someone with a vcr please check and see who gave the heart
}} to whom...I distinctly remember Laura giving it to James. She was so
}} 'happy' because she realized that James really did love her.  And I
}} thought that she took out the necklace, broke it in half and gave
}} half to him.  

} "James, do you know why I'm so happy?"
} "Because your skin's so soft and you smell so good?"
} "No, silly!  Because now I believe you really love me . . ."

} Then we see the heart, in Laura's hands.  She breaks it and gives
} James half, keeping the chain.

} My understanding of this scene was that, before the dialog, James gave
} the necklace to Laura.

This is correct. I reviewed the entire show so far, and when Donna meets
with James towards the end of the pilot movie, she specifically refers
to the necklace as one that James had given to Laura. Laura later broke
the heart in two and gave one half back to James.

-- "How different in my native willage. Soft music. Wiolins. The happy people sitting on their balalaikas, playing their samovars." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <10598@shlump.nac.dec.com>, boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy)
writes:
> > In article <54233@microsoft.UUCP>, adamba@microsoft.UUCP (Adam BARR) writes...
> > 
> > } Here's something that I think nobody has mentioned...the sheriff's
> > } name is Harry S. Truman. I seem to remember that there was a U.S.
> > } president named Harry S. Truman, sometime in the late 1800's (I
> > } think??). Is this a coincidence or is Lynch trying to tell us something?
> > 
> > God help us. I knew the state of American education was dismal, but...
> > [HISTORY LESSON FOLLOWS]

Yes, God help us.  The very next line from Adam's article said something to the
effect that "Also significant is the fact that 'Twin Peaks' and 'David Lynch'
have the same number of letters... well, almost... I think this is VERY
significant..."  Always check that parody bit, you know, before aiming and
firing. :-)
--
Look for significance where there's none intended, and you will surely find it.
Rich Rosenrlr@toccata.rutgers.edu
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