Season 2, Episodes 21–22: Miss Twin Peaks / Beyond Life and Death — June 10, 1991–August 27, 1992

In article <1991Jun6.214549.13027@cs.cmu.edu> kwh+@RI.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann) writes:
> >
> >Why is the the 'Yellow' man still standing with a hole in his head?

I think it was because he was shot in the head and only brain damage pertaining perhaps to the higher functions were lost and not brain functions like breathingor standing.  

OOPs better make way for the pile of Twin Peaks postings that will probably 
start start hitting in a few hours.  9:00 pm is fast approaching................................................................................................................................................................................ 

    ferenc

In article <1991Jun10.054329.11032@athena.mit.edu> genoa@athena.mit.edu (Jack N Holt) writes:
> >In article <1991Jun10.031303.12118@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> edb134t@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Daniel Bowen) writes:
>> >>Something I don't think I've seen people mention, which I noticed
>> >>when watching the dream sequence (not the flashback to it) after
>> >>seeing a few episodes...  Laura makes the Bookhouse Boys signal
>> >>to Cooper..
> >
> >I noticed this, too, when I watched my tapes before the March 28th show.
> >Except, I don't think I have the original dream sequence on tape.  Maybe
> >this shows up in the flashbacks, too?

I haven't noticed it in any of the flashbacks. I only noticed it because
I watched that episode again straight after watching the one where the
Bookhouse Boys are introduced.

> >Is there a reason why Laura would know the signal?  Was she involved
> >with the Bookhouse Boys in any way?  Hmm, it's 2am, so my memory is
> >foggy.  If I've forgotten something, let me know.

Well, that haven't mentioned it yet (at least, not in any episode us
Aussies have seen.)


Daniel Bowen
-- Raymond Luxury-Yacht a.k.a. DANIEL BOWEN | Remember - jumpers are Monash University, Melbourne, Australia | clothing's way of telling edb134tbp2@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au +-------+ you to pull over... edb134t@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au --+ [TCWF]

In article <284EBE7C.CF30@ibma0.cs.uiuc.edu>, noe@sunc5.cs.uiuc.edu (Roger Noe) writes:

> > As for me, I'll never be able to forget "Wrapped in plastic" and "Sometimes
> > my arms bend back."  I never did commit Albert's tirade in the morgue to
> > memory.  Anyone?
> > --

Sure ... Is this what you mean? -

"You listen to _me_!  While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact
is I am a nay-sayer and a hatchet man in the fight against violence!  I pride
myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live
my life in the company of Gandhi and King!  My concerns are _global_.  I
reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation.  The foundation of
such a method... is love.  I love you, Sheriff Truman."

Okay?
 
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In article <6926@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d
Johnson) says:
> >
> >In article <1991Jun9.203806.24781@ccu.umanitoba.ca> platt@ccu.umanitoba.ca    e
> >(Dav
> >Platt) writes:
> >
>> >>but it seems like the audience is asked
>> >>to identify with an outsider character who is cynical towards Alaska (sort
>> >>of an Albert figure) rather than someone who looks with awe, like
>> >>Cooper.
> >
> >So why the charge of similarity?
> >
> >At any rate, the idea that we're asked to "identify" with Joel (the
> >alleged Albert figure) is way off.  Joel is (most of the time) a
> >jerk--a whingeing, spoiled, self-impressed, parochial, obnoxious,
> >insulting snob--not a character that's exactly designed to get the
> >viewer's sympathy.  He is "basically good down deep" (this being
> >mainstream TV), but he's not easy to identify with.  In fact. .  .
> >

Actually, I agree with most everything you've said:  Northern Exposure
is (to me) just about the best new series I've seen in a long time....
I loved St. Elsewhere, and NE's quality will help ease the loss of
30Something.

Anyway, I just wanted to disagree on one point.  True, Joel is whiny,
spoiled....but I still believe the audience is meant to identify with
him.  Joel brings imperfections (like all of us) to this setting.  He
also brings an urban rationalism and a good dose of cynicism, both out
of place in the mystical, magical, quirky setting of Cicely.  Joel
personifies all our skepticisms and alleged preconceptions--as his
prejudices are broken down, so are ours with them.

In the second season, Joel is becoming more and more of an insider in
Cicely--coming to know, and RELISH, many of the quirks.  (He was
even unable, for several reasons, to get back to NYNY for a vacation--
Cicely has him hooked).  This parallels the audiences development--
Cicely is becoming less and less "weird", and more and more "unique
but comfortable".

I've never watched Twin Peaks, so I can't make a comparison.

Just my spin on the issues.

Mike

In article <jms.4527@vanth.UUCP> jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
> >
> >   A while ago, someone posted the poem about Jupiter and Saturn that WE
> >   recited at the end of the last episode.  (I'd quote it, but I can't
> >   remember where I put it.)  The verse after the one Windom quoted refers to
> >   Venus and Mars.  Although Jupiter and Saturn are about as far as they can
> >   get away from a conjunction right now, Venus and Mars are headed for a
> >   conjunction!
> >
Yes, it's been fun to watch them.  This reminds me that I had tried to
do some research on that poem by Yeats and run into some stuff that
was such a tangent that it didn't seem worth posting.  However there
are a few things that might be interesting.

I believe the text of the poem as posted went something like this:
When Jupiter and Saturn meet
What a crop of mummy wheat!

The sword's a cross, thereon He died;
On breast of Mars the goddess sighed.

Supposedly Yeats felt that his two children represented two
fundamentally different temperaments, one essentially pagan and the
other (to his mind) Christian.  The first stanza refers to his son
Michael, whom Yeats describes in a letter about this poem as "born
free among the most cultivated, out of tradition, out of rule".  His
daughter Anne is the Venus-Mars, "Christian" personality, which he
describes as "democratic".  He goes on to contrast the two by saying
that the son is always thinking about life and the daughter about
death.

So much for Yeats' view of his children's personalities.  As far as
the poem goes, a very interesting link between the first stanza and
the second is that Great Conjunctions of Jupiter and Saturn were used
as markers for the new World-Ages (when the sun rises in a different
sign of the zodiac at the vernal equinox, which happens about every
2,000 years as a result of the precession of the earth's rotation).
In fact, a great conjunction of these two planets in Pisces is thought
to have been the Star of Bethlehem in 6 b.c., ushering in the Age of
Pisces, dominated by Christianity, one of whose central symbols is the
fish.

I don't think it's too far out to use the mummy wheat (wheat found in
Egyptian sarcophagi and still viable after thousands of years) as a
symbol of Jesus (something from the world of death coming back to
life--I think of the Easter carol "Now the green blade riseth"), which
would lead from the first stanza directly into the second, but I
imagine that Windom Earle uses it to mean something like a spirit or
symbol from an earlier world-age coming back from being buried.  Now
wheat would seem like a much more peaceful, beneficial product than
fire, which would be a closer characterization of what's coming, so
probably he was being ironic.

The Mars-Venus conjunction as a Christian temperament?  I'm not sure I
buy this from Yeats, but I suppose a case could be made for it.  The
character in Twin Peaks who seems to have had the closest similarity
to Mars' temper outbursts is Leo Johnson, and Shelly would definitely
make a good Venus.  Alternatively, if Windom Earle sees himself as
Mars (he is definitely picking a fight with Cooper) he is trying to
align himself with a queen, who would then be his Venus.  Mars never
did to Venus what Windom Earle is planning to do to his queen though.

Enough of that. I just thought some people might find it interesting
information.

Barb Miller

   Tonight you will see  two hours of INVITATION TO LOVE with occasional
glimpses of TWIN PEAKS on TV sets in the background.

``Flap-Flap-Flap''  --- the sound of David Lynch winging it

>> >>In article <1991Jun10.054329.11032@athena.mit.edu> genoa@athena.mit.edu (Jack N Holt) writes:
>>> >>>In article <1991Jun10.031303.12118@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> edb134t@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au (Daniel Bowen) writes:
>>> >>>Something I don't think I've seen people mention, which I noticed
>>> >>>when watching the dream sequence (not the flashback to it) after
>>> >>>seeing a few episodes...  Laura makes the Bookhouse Boys signal
>>> >>>to Cooper..
> >
>> >>Is there a reason why Laura would know the signal?  Was she involved
>> >>with the Bookhouse Boys in any way?  Hmm, it's 2am, so my memory is
>> >>foggy.  If I've forgotten something, let me know.

I don't think that this has been explained directly (like everything
else in the show), but we do know these things: Because  
Laura was dating James, a Bookhouse Boy, she might have known about the
BB's through him.  If not, then we also know that since the BB's were
fighting the "evil the woods," and Laura was fighting BOB (evil in the woods),
she was probably aware of the BB's through her "gifted"-ness.
 
Rocky Giovinazzo

platt@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Dave Platt) writes:


> >Northern Exposure? A possible TP substitute? Dream on. Although they 

Not a substitute, but a damn fine show in its own right.

> >bothered. I haven't seen much of NE, but it seems like the audience
is asked 

You haven't seen enough.  Give it a chance.


> >I'd like to think that (Andy Brennan and Nadine notwithstanding) TP never 
> >tries (tried?) to made fun of the residents of the town. Even in the comic 
> >parts (with a few lapses, like the Pine-Weasel riot scene), the humour 
> >comes  out of a sense of the weirdness of it all, not a sense of 
> >malice. So count me out as one of the TP fans who will "jump ship" to NE.

No malice in NE that I've noticed.  The show is about a clash of
"world views" for lack of a better term.  Cicely's population includes
two main elements: a native population which has successfully combined
certain aspects of "mainstream" culture with their own; and some
non-native "eccentrics" or "free spirits" who have been drawn to and
thrive in the tolerant atmosphere.

Place a New York Jewish YUPPIE doctor in this environment
involuntarily, and offbeat humor results.  No malice here.


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In article <BARB.91Jun10093930@chamarti.ai.mit.edu> barb@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Barb Miller) writes:

   So much for Yeats' view of his children's personalities.  As far as
   the poem goes, a very interesting link between the first stanza and
   the second is that Great Conjunctions of Jupiter and Saturn were used
   as markers for the new World-Ages (when the sun rises in a different
   sign of the zodiac at the vernal equinox, which happens about every
   2,000 years as a result of the precession of the earth's rotation).
   In fact, a great conjunction of these two planets in Pisces is thought
   to have been the Star of Bethlehem in 6 b.c., ushering in the Age of
   Pisces, dominated by Christianity, one of whose central symbols is the
   fish.

There's been a lot of speculation about the astronomical/astrological
symbolism of Jupiter and Saturn meeting.  At this 11th hour, I'll
suggest one that occurred to me.

Earle: What do the signs mean?

Briggs: There is a time...When Jupiter and Saturn meet, they will
receive you.

Who is ``they'' meant to refer to?  One possibility is the dugpas of
the Black Lodge.  Another is Jupiter and Saturn.  Jupiter and Saturn
can refer not merely to the so-named planets, but to the Roman gods of
the same names, and also to the titularly spirits of those planets.
So, one possible paraphrase of the Major's statement is: ``When the
ruling spirits of Jupiter and Saturn meet, they (the spirits) will
receive you.''

This would get around there not being a conjunction of the planets
Jupiter and Saturn in the time frame of the relevant TP episodes.

This is probably all wrong, but it's one possibility I hadn't seen
mentioned.

-30-
Bob

I made the "pilgrimage" to Twin Peaks (Snoqualmie, WA & nearby towns)
Saturday.  Here's some impressions. 

The Salish Lodge (exterior shots of The Great Northern) is appropriately
snooty and far more expensive than The Great Northern -- like $300/night
for a room.  You have to reserve for breakfast a week in advance -- "two
to three months in the summer"!  So if you go, plan ahead.

The falls are shorter than they look in the show.  Still, they're quite
impressive.  A sign says they were an object of mystery and power for
Indian tribes.

The Colonial Inn (exterior shots of the Roadhouse) is a pleasant diner,
not expensive, and a good place to pick up some pancakes with maple
syrup, ham, and a cup of joe.  Also a map telling you where the other
exterior shots are around town.

The Mar-T Cafe in North Bend (exterior shots of the Double R) is filled
with Twin Peaks posters.  They sell the Twin Peaks Gazette on the candy
counter, just as if it was the local paper (though at $4 each).  Today's
headline: "Twin Peaks Host of Bizarre Chess Murders."  Everybody there
is fond of Twin Peaks, was my impression.  They're having some sort of
rally for the show today, concurrent with the broadcast of the last
episode.  Their cherry pie, however, is not too fine.

Down the street from the Mar-T is a store that has more Twin Peaks
souvenirs than any other store, probably:

Alpine Blossom and Gift Shoppe
P.O. Box 808
North Bend, WA 98045

(206) 888-2900 or 0336

They'll take orders over the phone.  They have T-shirts, coffee cups,
the books, the tape, the trading cards, etc.  The map they sell there
isn't nearly as nice as the one at the Roadhouse.  The souvenirs are
expensive -- I paid $15 for a good-quality T-shirt with the Bob poster
on it ("Have you seen this man?" has a nice double meaning, these days).
Two other especially good shirts: one with a color photo of Laura
Palmer, and another with a color shot of the falls and the caption "Twin
Peaks -- you are a stranger here but once."

Also near the Mar-T are the abandoned railway cars.  Even wrapped in
(blue) plastic they gave me a shiver as we drove by.

-- J

Hello.  Something has been bothering me about the last episode, and it hasn't
been addressed much on the net.

Recall the scene when Doc Hayward is examining Ben in Ben's office.  They
talk about the Doc's wife (presumably), etc.  Then Wheeler shows up, talks
about Audrey, etc.  More or less mundane stuff -- to may tastes, anyway.

BUT THEN, just as Wheeler closes the doors, we see a shot of Ben from behind.
I disinctly remember hearing the high-pitched "whining" sound effect that is
common to most all the "weird" scenes, eg. Cooper's Giant visions and dreams,
BOB emerging from the porthole or whatever, etc.  I think there is a bright,
white light in Ben's office at the time, but I could be mistaken on that.
Anyway, this happens and Ben turns around with a VERY startled and maybe 
scared expression.  This scene lasts maybe 3 or 4 seconds only.

The scene then very abruptly cuts to Pete in front of the fireplace, in
the lobby of the Great Northern, I guess working on his poem about Josie.  
He appears to be looking up the flue or something.  Then Audrey comes in 
and asks for a ride so she can go have her way with Wheeler before he 
leaves... begin to Yawn again...

What just occured to me is:  Isn't there a fireplace in Ben's office?
Could it share a flue with the one Pete was "talking" to?  Something in
common here?  Or did we just get a glimpse of a "vision" scene that prompts 
Ben to "apologize for being a nice guy", as the TV listings say for June 10th?  
What about the suggested spatial coincidence of the Black Lodge and the
Great Northern?  Are they beginning to merge as Jupiter and Saturn get closer
to meeting?  What do you think is going on?

And what happens when Pete and Audrey go night fishing together??? ;)

Well, I hope we find out tonight!

--paul

Dear Peakers,
Hello America. Thank you to everyone who has contibuted to this BB It injected much needed debate about TV in gerneral.Take hear
t people this program was ground breaking...IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN.
Here in Australia Leland has just died so we do have a way to go....
We don't have to no where it leads just follow.

Ihave two questions for those who are still interested.
1.During Leland's confession did he hoot like an owl?
2. Has anyone ever posted a listing of owl references in literature ,legend or even unusual scientific fact.?If not it may be us
eful in the usage of this symbol.

Enjoy June 10.

Steve.











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I viewed the previous episode again, in preparation for tonight's finale,
and was motivated to post a few questions, which probably won't ever be
resolved (sniff).

What the heck is that 'scarab' design anyway??  When Windom swept clean his
chessboard, he slammed down a stack of transparencies, and the 'scarab' was
on top.  Also, when Leo was admiring Shelly's face on the Queen of Spades, a
copy of the 'scarab' was tacked to the wall below the cards.  I know it was
part of the Owl Cave drawing, but how does it fit in with the whole White Lodge/
Black Lodge thing?

More evidence for the 'something happened about 20 years ago' theory:
1)  When Donna is researching her past in the Hayward attic (love that rotating
    fan!),  she flips past a picture of Will & Eileen that struck me as a bit
    odd.  Will is attired in black, with a black-with-white-dots tie and some
    black-and-white emblem I can't make out over his heart.  His face is smeared
    with soot or charcoal, and he has a grim expression on his face.  Eileen
    appears to be standing up (the picture is waist-up) and is costumed as for
    a masquerade party and is smiling.  ???  Perhaps Will just had some bad
    shrimp at the party?

2)  The Miss Twin Peaks contest is 20 years old.  Wonder who was the first?
    Norma Blackburne Jennings, maybe?
    
Call me crazy, but I don't think Annie's going to be killed off tonight.  Just
a wild hunch.

Also, from the TV Guide description, it sounds like Audrey makes it back safely
from her fishing trip with Pete to lead a 'Stop Ghostwood' demonstration.  So 
much for the "BOB -> Pete" theory.

So BOB made no appearance on the ABC TP commercial?  Maybe he won't "kill 
again"... yeah, sure.  I bet he faces off against Windom & Cooper in a 3-way
astral bout.  Unless, of course, Windom is hosting BOB???  I suppose BOB could
be in two places at once... probably old hat to a trained dugpa...

See you on the other side...

----------------------------------
Mike Malcom
"Something isn't right.  There's something wrong here." - Mayor Dwayne Milford

Thanks to all who responded. I picked up one of Roy's greatest hits CD's
over the weekend and can't get enough (I don't know HOW I wasn't able to
recognize his voice?!). Chuck Machala

Non-US'ers may see some spoilers if they read on.

In article <6900@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:
> > But there's more going on than that.  They're not just trying to
> > maximize their viewers, they're trying to *minimize* CBS' viewers.
> > It's called counterprogramming... Now, TP
> > is virtually useless to ABC as a ratings-getter, at this point.
> > However, it *is* possible for them to use it as a counterprogramming
> > kamikaze, to try to submarine the growth of the Northern Exposure
> > audience, and that's what they're using it for.

To paraphrase Churchill, CBS is drunk and ABC is ugly; but next week, CBS will be
sober.  If ABC sees Northern Exposure as a serious competitor, they ain't gonna
knock it off with one, count 'em, one week of Twin Peaks.  How they're going to
compete with Northern Exposure when they are throwing away the only show they had
that appealed to much the same audience is something I'd like to see them try to
explain.  This seems less like a useful strategy than either stupidity or spite.

cdt@pdp.sw.stratus.com      --If you believe that I speak for my company,
OR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet...

Are there any (reliable) addresses in the US or otherwise where I could get
Peaks stuff?  Particularly, I'm after photographs or posters if possible.

Thanks

Andrew

I finally got to see the teaser as a result of taping the Saturday night movie.
The descriptions posted here are quite accurate.  Based on the preview I have a
prediction about Nadine.

Nadine is going to be restored to relative normality (i.e., she will no longer
think she is 18, etc.) as a result of being hit on the head by a falling
sandbag (used to counterweight scenery for Miss TP pagent).  What consequences
this has for her relationship with Mike versus Ed and Ed's relationship with
Norma remains to be seen. I doubt we will find out.  This is one of many things
which will be left unresolved.

Recently someone noted that the card WE picked for Audrey was the same (Q of
Diamonds) as the card she chose at OEJ. Someone else questioned this and
suggested the Q of Hearts as the OEJ card. On checking the episode, I can
confirm that the card was indeed the Q of Diamonds in both cases.

-Rich

In article <1991Jun9.203806.24781@ccu.umanitoba.ca> platt@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Dave Platt) writes:
> >
> >Northern Exposure? A possible TP substitute? Dream on. Although they 
> >would never admit it, the producers of NE obviously intended to emulate TP. 
> >What bothers me about shows like NE is that they borrow the superficial 
> >aspects of shows like TP and add little of their own. Last week, NBC ran a 
> >TV movie called Murder In High Places about a Colarado resort that had some 
> >similarities to you-know-what, but without the finesse. If TP's greatest 
> >
 I beg to differ. As a die hard fan of Hunter Thompson I'm upset that people
missed the whole point to the Murder in High Places theme. 
Thompson character was played by the guy who played Buffalo Bill in Silence of the Lambs.
The Pres. character was a parody of Gary Hart, the town, Aspen... and so on.

While it had it's moments it could of been better. It was still good, for a network.
I saw no relation to TP, only to the reality of Aspen and Thompson.

Marc


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 I have not watched the dream sequence episode in sometime but from
what I remember Laura did not do the Bookhouse Boys sign.  I believe
that she slid her finger by her nose (a sign of her cocaine abuse
perhaps) and not her temple.  Someone should review the tapes as mine
are not around at this time.

   I do believe that not only a face shot of Josie but also Laura (yep
Miss Palmer herself) will be in tonight's episode (3:45 away in the
central time warp).  What would TP be without Miss Palmer?  Laura will
show up tonight!!!

Todd

> >/* Written  3:48 pm  Jun  7, 1991 by cdt@sw.stratus.com in alt.tv.twin-peaks */
> >In article <91157.103950LIBR8506@Ryerson.CA>, LIBR8506@Ryerson.CA writes:
>> >> 
>> >>        TWIN PEAKS finale will be run opposite the first repeat of NORTHERN
>> >>  EXPOSURE. Since these audiences are similar , there may be problems.

> >Let's see a show of hands.  How many of you REALLY BELIEVED that ABC couldn't
> >find ONE final way to **** up the scheduling of Twin Peaks?  Uh huh.


    Oh, PLEASE.  The TP showing has been been scheduled for June 10th for
almost 2 months.  It's CBS that a) put NE on at 10PM Monday, a logical
place for it given what else CBS has on Monday, and b) started reruns
on June 10th.
-- Don Porges
porges@inmet.inmet.com
..uunet!inmet!porges

> >/* Written  6:43 pm  Jun  9, 1991 by rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu in alt.tv.twin-peaks */
> >In article <1991Jun9.203806.24781@ccu.umanitoba.ca> platt@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Dave Platt) writes:
.
.
.
>> >>What bothers me about shows like NE is that they borrow the superficial 
>> >>aspects of shows like TP and add little of their own. 

> >Horseshit.  If NE is indeed derivative (and I suppose it is, to some
> >extent), it's St. Elsewhere that it owes a lot of its style to, and
> >the other character-driven comedy-dramas of the 80s.  NE has
> >acknowledged TP, but that doesn't mean that they built their show
> >around the TP approach.
> >

    I'd call NE "FRANK'S PLACE with white people."
-- Don Porges
porges@inmet.inmet.com
..uunet!inmet!porges

In article <11914@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600hien@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Hien Le) writes:
> >The reason why I'm asking this question is because I ordered a COOP
> >T-shirt over a month ago and the check's been cashed, but as of yet, no
> >shirt.  Has COOP folded?  And if so, is there any way I can get my
> >money back?  Fiona?  Bob Cappel?  Can anyone answer this question?
> >Thanks.
> >
> >
> >--Jeff "Koganuts" Koga

I am wearing my COOP shirt as I write this. Also, I got official COOP mail  
today at work :-)

Perhaps they are just slow.

Janet
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3.  a) Isn't TWIN PEAKS supposed to cover one day per episode?  
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9.  [deleted]
10. [deleted]
11. a) Is Miguel Ferrer (the actor who plays Albert Rosenfield) related
to Jose Ferrer, the movie actor?
    b) Is this Miguel Ferrer the same one who's credited on the
recording of "Fishheads"?  
12. [deleted]
13. Weren't some of the TWIN PEAKS people in ROBOCOP?

TWIN PEAKS-related merchandise:
------------------------------
14. What's this "secret diary" that people keep citing?
15. Has anybody noticed that Julee Cruise's "Floating Into The Night"
album (which includes several tunes heard in TWIN PEAKS
episodes) gives special thanks to, among other people, Bob (no
last name)?  
16. I've just seen/heard about a videotape/laser-disc called TWIN
PEAKS available in Europe/Japan/etc.  What is its
relationship to the series?
#17. Where is there an anonymous FTP source for Twin Peaks material?

Outside issues raised by TWIN PEAKS:
-----------------------------------
18. Has anybody mentioned the possible connection between: [various things]
19. [deleted]
20. [deleted]
21. Did you know that the book COMMUNION by Whitley Streiber talks
about the connection between UFO's and owls?

Questions on plot points:
------------------------
22. a) [deleted]
    b) [deleted]
23. a) [deleted]
    b) [deleted]
24. [deleted]
25. [deleted]
26. [deleted]
27. [deleted]
28. [deleted]


AND NOW, ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS:

TWIN PEAKS production details:
-----------------------------
1. a) Where is Twin Peaks supposed to be? 
-- It's in the State of Washington, but where exactly is not clear.  In
Cooper's initial monolog to Diane as he's driving into town, he
states that it's five miles south of the Canadian border and twelve
miles west of the state line.  That would seem to place it in the
northeast corner of the state.  However the surrounding geography is
like that of the Cascade Mountains in western WA.  References to
cities such as Seattle and Tacoma, but not Spokane, also seem to
place it in western WA.  The show's creators seem to have smooshed
the state so that it all fits west of the Cascades.
   Many of the outdoor shots were filmed in Snoqualmie, WA (and the
surrounding area), which is in the Cascades, not too far from
Seattle.  The waterfall is there; the Great Northern Hotel is
really the Salish Lodge (although it doesn't look like the GNH
on the inside--the interiors of both the GNH and the
Packard/Martell home were filmed in the Kiana Lodge); and the
RR Diner is really the Mar-T Cafe, which really does have
heavenly cherry pies.

    b) How big a town is Twin Peaks?
-- Again, that's not exactly clear.  The population sign that's shown at
station breaks and on the TWIN PEAKS sound track album cover
indicates 51,201.  According to _Twin Peaks Behind the Scenes:
An Unofficial Guide to Twin Peaks_, by Mark Altman,
Lynch/Frost originally conceived of it as 5,201, but the
network insisted on increasing it.  This has resulted in mixed
cues within the show. For instance, Twin Peaks doesn't have a
resident circuit court judge, which any town of 51K+ in the
U.S. would; it has a sheriff's department but no police
department (sheriff is usually a county rather than a city
office).  On the other hand, it does have its own hospital, a
fancy department store, and a large hotel.  It seems
Lynch/Frost hasn't worried too much about being consistent on
this point.

2. What year is the show set in?  
-- References in the first season placed it in 1989.  However, _The Secret
Diary of Laura Palmer_ (see Question 14) places the action in
1990.  Sources on the production team (i.e., Scott Frost)
indicate that it's been sort of miraculously moved up to 1990.
Apparently, the producers and directors have trouble keeping
track of what day it's supposed to be in Twin Peaks, never
mind what year.

3. a) Isn't TWIN PEAKS supposed to cover one day per episode?  
-- Yes, in general, that is the convention used.  There are
occasional exceptions; at one point, three days passed in Twin
Peaks between TWIN PEAKS episodes.  Sometimes an episode will
start in the middle of the night preceding that episode's
"day".  As mentioned in Answer 2, Lynch/Frost doesn't keep
track of what day it is as well as the fans do.  For instance,
teenagers in Twin Peaks don't seem to go to school much, but
they have been seen in school on days that were supposed to be
Saturdays.  

 b) If so, why does the moon appear to change phase so strangely?
One "day" it's full, the next half, etcetera.  
-- The moon appears to be used pretty much symbolically.  There are
only a few stock moon inserts used in the series, e.g., a
closeup of the diagonal half-moon floating in a black sky.  No
particular effort at astronomical accuracy is evident.

4. Do TWIN PEAKS episodes have names?  What's the best way of
referring to episodes?
-- The episodes are not named.  Whether it's the best way or not,
Lynch/Frost number the episodes with four-digit numbers, where the
first digit is the season number, and the others are the order
within that season.  This system was apparently adopted after the
pilot was produced, so the pilot is 1000, the first one-hour episode
is 1001, and so on.  However for the second season, the two-hour
season premiere is 2001.  

5. Was there an episode broadcast January 26, 1991, in the USA? Were
there in fact several regional variants broadcast? Did we
learn who shot Cooper? Did Dick Tremaine die?  
-- No, the 1/26 episode was a collective and spontaneous hoax started
by R o d Johnson and carried on straightfaced by numerous
alt.tv.twin-peaks posters.

6. Is it true that TWIN PEAKS has been cancelled?  Where can I
write/phone/fax to protest?

#--TWIN PEAKS has been cancelled by ABC; TP is missing from ABC's
#announced fall schedule.  There is no point in continuing to
#protest to ABC.  Following the two-hour (US) series finale,
#Lynch/Frost plan to produce a cinema-release movie version of
#TWIN PEAKS.  There are rumors TWIN PEAKS being picked up by
#European or cable TV channels, but nothing official has been
#announced.

7. What are "closed captions" and why are people using them to settle
arguments over exactly who said what on TWIN PEAKS?
-- Closed Captions (CC) are the text of a show's dialog transmitted on
a side channel along with the standard picture and sound
signals. Hearing-impaired viewers can install a special CC
decoder on their TV sets to display this text on the screen. 
   This means that all the dialog in the show is also being broadcast
in written form, so that in principle the question "What did he
say?" can always be answered authoritatively -- IF, that is, you
believe that the CC's are reliable!
   There are two ways CC's are created: by people who sit and listen
to a show and type in what they hear -- live events are
generally done this way -- or by people with access to the
script. Some, if not all, network shows are done the second,
more careful way. We don't know for certain that TWIN PEAKS is
such a show, but the lack of phonetic mistakes observed in the
PEAKS captions so far suggests indicate that the captioners
use scripts.  In particular it seems unlikely that correct
French like <<J'ai une a^me solitaire>> would come from
anywhere but a script.

8. [deleted]

TWIN PEAKS actors:
-----------------
9. [deleted]

10. [deleted]

11. a) Is Miguel Ferrer (the actor who plays Albert Rosenfield) related
to Jose Ferrer, the movie actor?
--Yes, Miguel is Jose's son.
    b)  Is this Miguel Ferrer the same one who's credited on the
recording of "Fishheads"?  
--Yes, Ferrer was part of Barnes and Barnes who recorded "Fishheads"
(Bill Mumy was the other half).  Ferrer and Mumy also make up
a band called Seduction of the Innocent which plays very
occasionally at comics conventions.  They have also written
some comic books together.

12. [deleted]

13. Weren't some of the TWIN PEAKS people in ROBOCOP?
-- Yes, three of them: Miguel Ferrer (Albert Rosenfield), Ray Wise (Leland
Palmer), and Dan O'Herlihy ([deleted]).  No, Clarence
Williams III was NOT in ROBOCOP!

TWIN PEAKS-related merchandise:
------------------------------
14. What's this "secret diary" that people keep citing?
--_The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer_ was written by Jennifer Lynch (David's
daughter), and is published in the U.S by Pocket Books, and in the
U.K. by Penguin Books.  It is officially sanctioned by
Lynch/Frost Productions (the jacket says it is "A Twin Peaks
Book").  [text deleted]

15. Has anybody noticed that Julee Cruise's "Floating Into The Night"
album (which includes several tunes heard in TWIN PEAKS
episodes) gives special thanks to, among other people, Bob (no
last name)?  
-- Yes.

16. I've just seen/heard about a videotape/laser-disc called TWIN
PEAKS available in Europe/Japan/etc.  What is its
relationship to the series?
--It's a modified version of the series pilot, which was shown as a
TV movie in Europe.  It ends differently, [text deleted]

#17. Where is there an anonymous FTP source for Twin Peaks material?

#--The TP anonymous FTP site is audrey.sait.edu.au [130.220.16.88],
#directory /pub/twin-peaks. You can submit things to it by
#uploading to directory /Upload. The keeper is Peter
#Asenstorfer at the University of South Australia
#(peter@audrey.sait.edu.au). Anything submitted to the
#Cribsheet to TP Resources (maintained by Keith Dawson,
#dawson@Atex.Kodak.COM) also makes its way to the FTP archive.

Outside issues raised by TWIN PEAKS:
-----------------------------------
18. Has anybody mentioned the possible connection between:
   * BOB and J. R. "Bob" Dobbs of the Church of the Subgenius?
   * All the donuts they eat in Twin Peaks, and JFK's "Ich bin ein Berliner"
speech?  What he literally said was "I am a jelly donut."
   * Agent Dale Cooper and D.B. Cooper, the guy who hijacked a plane and
then parachuted over Washington State with a whole bunch of money
and was never found?
   * Ben and Jerry Horne and Ben and Jerry's brand ice cream (in one scene
the brothers Horne are even shown eating ice cream)?
   * [text deleted]
#   * Sherriff Harry S. Truman, and the US President, and the old man
#of the same name who refused to be moved off Mount St. Helens
#(in Washington State) when it erupted?
-- Yes for all of the above.

19. [deleted]

20. [deleted]

21. Did you know that the book COMMUNION by Whitley Streiber talks
about the connection between UFO's and owls?
-- Yes, Streiber says that people who have been abducted by UFO's
often have "masking" memories of owls, rather than aliens
[text deleted]

Questions on plot points:
------------------------
22. a) [deleted]
    b) [deleted]

23. a) [deleted]
    b) [deleted]

24. [deleted]

25. [deleted]

26. [deleted]

27. [deleted]

28. [deleted]


-- Janet Swisher Internet: swsh@midway.uchicago.eduUniversity of Chicago Phone: (312) 702-7608 Academic and Public Computing P-mail: 1155 E. 60th St. Chicago IL 60637, USA

In article <1991Jun10.070843.507@intacc.uucp> zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) writes:
> >In article <1991Jun6.214549.13027@cs.cmu.edu> kwh+@RI.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann) writes:
>> >>
>> >>Why is the the 'Yellow' man still standing with a hole in his head?
> >
> >I think it was because he was shot in the head and only brain damage
> >pertaining perhaps to the higher functions were lost and not brain functions
> >like breathing or standing.  
> >

Right.  There are documented cases of people completely surviving a bullet
in/through the brain, people who go on to live a fairly normal life
afterwards.  Though this isn't the *typical* reaction to being shot in
the head, that chilling scene was all too understandable, and spooky, for me.
-- -larryy@apple.com "You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple, and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'." - Edmund Blackadder

No spoilers yet, in case this reaches anybody's news server before they
see the show...

But, once you've seen the finale, you'll appreciate that Global Television,
in uplinking the show on Sunday, followed the program with the usual
title screen indicating the feed was over, with the added words at the
bottom:

                    By the way, "How's Annie?"



Can't wait till everyone else has seen the show and we can talk...
-- -larryy@apple.com "You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple, and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'." - Edmund Blackadder

Lynch reads this newsgroup, Hi DAVE! ;-) How's Annie?

Thanks for ending it the way we said it should!

Bye Now!

See ya next series!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry...had to get that out of my system...I've been wanting to scream all
night.

Not that I didn't like it.  I LOVED it.  There really was no other way to end
it, IMHO.  It's just that David Lynch (quite intentionally) makes me VERY
VERY VERY NERVOUS.

Comments/suggestions/threats?

doug

Well, I hope you all are satisfied!






I guess you showed Lynch - those of you who wrote that final 30-60
seconds of the movie.

Myself, I am flat out ANGRY.

I am angry that we see Dale running around in a STUPID set - that
the White Lodge scarcely makes an appearance - and I DONT mean the
stupid appearance of the trio  before the Doppleganger sequence.

I am angry that Coop never mentions or acts upon the Giant'a
warning from before the pagent.

I am angry that we see the Dr so out of character in attacking Ben
and then, a while later, standing over Coop.

I am angry that Mike did not show up in the sequence.

I felt good about the show up until the Red Room sequence.  From that point
on I felt cheated - as if all ideas had ran out and so resorting to
stream of conciousness (or unconciousness as the case may be) was
the final solution.

I am too angry to talk about the first 90 minutes right now - maybe
later.

P.S.  I am in competition for the first post AFTER the final show here!
--
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In article <9106102115.AA23869@wugate.wustl.edu>, FURESZ@KIDS.WUSTL.EDU (TODD FU
:
:
:   I do believe that not only a face shot of Josie but also Laura (yep
:Miss Palmer herself) will be in tonight's episode (3:45 away in the
:central time warp).  What would TP be without Miss Palmer?  Laura will
:show up tonight!!!
:



Well - you were 50 % , those Josie's name DID appear in the credits!
--
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   If that is a series finale someone should shoot Lynch and Frost. Nothing
was tied up, things are now more in the air than ever before and I
definitely feel cheated. I guess now I'll just have to wait for a movie,
and there had better be one. 
  P.S. - I think that this finale would be a very intense experience on
acid. Anybody watch it in such an altered state?
  Now I don't want to say the show was bad, it had some of the best imagery
yet and I was on the edge of my seat for most all of it. But still....
-- Bleeding Head Good, Healed Head Bad | Doktor Mike Reddig RSVP IOU PDQ Can you afford to ignore this?????? | Alan McDavis of Aberdeen Catalytic Brain Cell loss in seconds| BP the Invincible Subgenii must have slack and/or kill| reddig@casbah.acns.nwu.edu

No major spoilers ahead, but if you haven't seen the finale',
you'd better wait.

Last Chance . . . 

I dunno--I'm disappointed.  I recall saying earlier that there's
no way they were going to wrap it all up in 2 hours, and I was
right--but only because they didn't even bother trying.

This final episode looks to me like a last ditch attempt by Lynch
& Co. to create some sort of public outcry for The Return of Twin
Peaks, presumably by creating more story threads and creating more
questions than they answered.  Sort of makes me wish I hadn't been
watching and waiting all this time--I feel cheated.

If somebody can wrap that whole thing up and give me some sort of
coherent interpretation, I'll be highly surprised (and more than a
little grateful).

My last prediction for TP:  this newsgroup is going to explode in
the next couple of days.  Okay, okay, that was an easy one.
--
|| Steve Rikli             |||  Visualization Lab               ||
|| steve@archone.tamu.edu  |||  Texas A&M University            ||
|| (409) 845-5691          |||  College Station, TX  77843-3137 ||

Oh, wow.

I can't do a CTRL-L. Suffer.















That was intense. I know a lot of you are going to be disappointed, since
this was supposed to be the big finale. But I have some advice for you.
Just look at this episode as if it were the *season* finale for Season 2,
then think about what would be happening next fall (or in the theatrical
release, Lynch willing).

Oh, wow.

The first half was just like the standard TP episode, with standard
cliffhanger. But Lynch...is God. *shiver*

I was looking for some big spiritual convergence ("tell him about the
twinkie"), and that's what there was: Laura, Maddy, Leland, TMFAP, the
Giant, Sen~or Drool Cup, BOB, Windom, Carolyne, Annie, the whole crew
is here. Damn good show. And hot too.

I refuse to think about the mundane activities in the town, but I must say
that when Thomas' "gift" turned out to be a box for a key, I thought
briefly, "Trap?" Audrey blowed up? *wah!*

Since Cooper is BOB-possessed, I see it as Major Briggs' duty to rescue 
him. After all, "I am waiting for you." 

That ending has to be the most frightening scene on this show since BOB
in a boxcar earlier this season! "How's Annie? How's Annie? How's Annie?"

*SHUDDER*

--Jeff W. (jeff@casbah.acns.nwu.edu)
"Doppelganger."

> >And let's not forget:
> >
> >* Who beat up Dr. Jacobi in the cliff-hanger episode, causing his heart attack?
> >
Mark Frost explained that this was Leland/BOB.

Rocky Giovinazzo

It's over. All I can say is...

Wow, Bob, wow.


--
Jim Morton, Applix Inc., Westboro, MA
...uunet!applix!jim    jim@applix.com

Well now....hmmmm.....uh.... 
I have to say I liked it.  But I'm
not *pleased* at that ending.  I
too hope that's not all she wrote.

Bud

-- Dr. William K Glunt | Are you ABNORMAL? Heh heh nice ring to it!| Then you are probably better than most people! U of Kentucky math dept | Are alien space monsters bringing a STARTLING NEW home phone 606 258 8864 | WORLD? from _The book of the SubGenius_

This was the first episode to actually get some sort of fear reaction
from my system.  The last half hour was pretty disturbing, and sort
of neat.  Laura was really scary.  

-DAve


-- Dave "mr question" McIntyre +-----+ "....say you're thinking about a plate mcintyre@turing.cs.rpi.edu | ? | of shrimp.....and someone says to office : 518-276-8633 +-----+ you 'plate,' or 'shrimp'......"

It's been great, everyone. See you all again in 25 years ;-)
-------(please include "DY" in subj header of mail to this user)--------
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My card: 0 The Fool       (Snow Museum, Univ. of KS, Lawrence, KS 66045)
"Ev-ry-bo-dy loves the Michigan RAAAAaaaaag!" - The Singing Frog

Sorry, I mis-addressed this accidentally a short time ago.

Interesting. Dopplegangors. She'll see him in 25 years. 
I see some hope for Dale in that. In his 25 year hence dream state
he didn't seem possessed by Bob. Is this finally the evil twin motif? Is
Cooper's better self still in the waiting room?
Alternatively, the Leland evil form existed as a seperate entity in
the black Lodge and was obviously kin to the evil Dale form. Perhaps
this is the Lodge's representation of possession by Bob. If so, can Dale
free himself of Bob? Or can the forces arrayed against Bob (ie: the white
lodge, the giant, Mike, the Bookhouse Boys, the FBI) detect Dale's
possession and free him before its too late?  I note that Leland wasn't
able to act too normal following Laura's death, and if Bob/Coop wants
to blend in and not arouse suspicion he's not off to a great start.
Oh Well, we'll have to wait for whatever form the story is 
resurrected in to learn the answers.
(by the way, did somebody mention the final episode of THe
Prisoner?)
Also, I'm afraid I have to agree that the Red Room sequence 
really dragged there. Ah, Well.
Start building that cult status now, look what happened to Star TRek.
-- Tom Van Horne

oh god.  oh my god.  i.. uh... um.. oh god.  

where does it go from here???  i REFUSE to accept that this is it.  does 
anyone know the film plans and/or status?  to be honest, i really don't think
that there will be a feature film.  why?  for the simple fact that virtually
_no_one_ cares! (present company excluded, of course).  also... what the hell
is the status of this group now?  it's over (at least for now), so what the
hell does this group turn into -- alt.fan.david-lynch? hmmm... ick.

plus, i have a request, which i am sure will be shot down by several people
-- i desperately need to get ahold of the entire second season run on tape.
are there any legal means of doing this?  

goodbye, audrey.  'bye pete, ben. 

sean

1) I agree: AGGGGHHHH!
2) Audrey dead? Ben dead? Pete dead? ';-(
3) It was pretty obvious that BoB would end up in Our Hero- him being chased
   by the evil coop was pretty indicitive of that.
4) The showdown was boring- much of it, of course, made no sense- I am still
   thinking on how it countered what we knew from the series.
5) Well, so much for love being the answer- its not enough.
6) Actually, BoB coming back in Coop is kind of a dissappointment- for crying
   out loud, Lynch/Frost >knew< that the only people watching would be avid
   TP fans- I think we deserved a better ending.
7) Some things were obvious that they were shot >after< the cancellation
   papers went out- the bank blowing up with pete and audrey (it wouldn't have
   done that, well, maybe not, if it was continuing), and bens death.....
8) Well, Sheryl Lee fans- only another 24 years, 364.9 days left to see 
   >her< again. ';-)
9) As my mom put it- 'well, back to the pablum of regular tv'....

Twin Peaks Is Dead! Long Live Peaks!


rON. (blowfish@triton.unm.edu!ariel.unm.edu)
"It is only with the heart that one see rightly;
 what is essential is invisible to the eye."

p.s.- the owls still are not what they seem!

In the last hour of 6/10, right after Mrs. Palmer spoke in her best 
possession voice, what did the LMFAP say as the camera rolled down the
Black Lodge corridor?

It sounded something like, "I'm poison for you."  
----
I didn't understand why the Giant/SDC were in the waiting room.  I
suppose that the waiting room was neutral territory for Black/White
lodgers?

Now that Bob's in Coop, it must go somewhere.  I want more Bob 
intrigue.  Doesn't the TP opening show the town's population to be circa
5000.  Albert now can go after Coop thus mirroring the first plotline of
Coop after WE.

Consider pay-per-view about once a month.  Yuppies by themselves 
or forty college students around one tube.  It might just be the best avenue.


Stu

posting for a friend:
 
Went to Hard Days Night restaurant/bar in Indianapolis tonight for their
TWIN PEAKS party.  A fair size crowd (40?) The club is owned by WFBQ Q-95's
morning show host (Bob).  There was also a Indianapolis COOP president there
(Ed Johnson-Ott) who is a film critic - he said there WOULD be a film of TP
 
The local ABC station (WRTV 6) had a live report from the bar after the show.
 
blevinso@copper.ucs.indiana.edu

Cooper said that during the Jupiter/Saturn conjunction, Jupiter's
influence is expansive.  Since Jupiter corresponds to "good"-ness
or the White Lodge, then why was the Black Lodge apparently so powerful
in the last episode?

Hmmm...
Rocky Giovinazzo

Ok minor spoilers and gushes of praise to follow.
Let's try this ctrl-l biz and see if it works:




!!  Ok, I sat riveted to the last 80min especially, twitching
and KNOWING all hell was gonna break loose!  It did.  LYNCH
you are the MAN of ultra coolness!  The drawn out scenes that
some complain of "red room" and maybe that banker getting Audrey
wauter were absolutely wonderful.  Adding to the suspense and
possible "personal interpretation" was the redroom, and the banker for
sheer humor/torture making me bust out.  What a subtle yet mean touch.

I did think it was the most amazing thing I've seen on tv.  especially
imagery wise.  Sure some answers never get let out, but hell details...
I mean I didnt expect to have some producer DUMP answers on me so I
knew  every tiny details.  That is what we imagine and have this 
group for....TP was about not having things laid out before you like
we're kids.  Life aint like that and peaks brings out the wild side
of the world.  Evil sometime wins, and shocking to find out the
"hero" has lost.  So I sit here a bit stunned and overwhelmed.
But also very, strangely happy - and electric at the ending.  damn fine!
I have to go brush my teeth.  That's when I felt it.  wham.

A true gem, Mr. Lynch!  Bravo.

It's 1114pm here, and a local AM talk show has TP on it's
"discussion" list tonight.  They just cut to the theme song.
ouch.  I may cry.

.....................................
you will be missed
-=====-                       -=====-
  -=-    John  Exby  (guest)    -=-
   -  grubin@tramp.Colorado.EDU  -

Huh?





--
Robert D. Cappel, Iowa City,IA  ||Windom Earle: "What is your greatest
aka "BOB", eager for fun!       ||               fear...?" 
                                ||Major Briggs: "The idea...that....love
czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu     ||               is not enough...!"

    I have a question about the final episode:

    What is the significance of the fact that the flashing lights on 
Cooper and Truman's police car were the same colors as Dr. Jacoby's
eyeglasses?

    (Aside from this detail, everything seemed pretty straightforward.)

Sorry about the HUH?...I just had to get that off my chest!  ;^)


Ok....


Personally...I LOVED it....that was the consensus  here in Iowa City! I was
on the edge of my seat and completely chewed the nails off my right hand...
well...not the ENTIRE nail...just the white part at the top that...well..you
understand.


Where do we go from here?  Well...it doesn't really matter, except that 
someday, Lynch is gonna get around to some sort of a 'love will triumph over
all' ending.  Remember Wild at Heart?  I have always felt that that was 
the metaphor of choice for Lynch, and with Briggs saying the same thing a
few episodes ago, I know that that is someday what will happen....so you
'this was filled with pain and anguish and that's all we get' people...
just hang on!

Loved the cliffhanger style ending..and I agree with the people who said that
we need to look at this as if there were to be a third season.  I mean...there
have been lots of shows that have gone away and come back seasons later...and
then had to drum up a convoluted way to get back in to the groove.  This
leaves us where we need to be...doesn't mean I LIKE it, or that I LIKE haveing
to wait for years for more....but I will.


Long Live ^Twin Peaks^!

COOPER LIVES!!!!

Bob 'BOB' Cappel


ps...thanks David!

pps...'how's Annie?'



--
Robert D. Cappel, Iowa City,IA  ||Windom Earle: "What is your greatest
aka "BOB", eager for fun!       ||               fear...?" 
                                ||Major Briggs: "The idea...that....love
czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu     ||               is not enough...!"

Well, it seems that they pulled the one thing outa the hat that a lot of 
people thought they wouldn't --

Oh, yeah, SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER

It seems that Coop has, after all, been taken over by BOB -- or has he?
What was with the apparent antiCoops that we saw in the lodge? Did one of
them return rather than the real one, leaving Coop himself still inside
the lodge?

A friend with whom I watched the show has pointed out that it's wide open
for a sequel, since BOB is still on the loose, and Coop is either fighting
the spirit which has possessed him, or is on the inside of the lodge, trying
to get out.

Did we ever see the White Lodge? Are we, indeed, sure that there is one?
Is the Waiting Room part of either lodge? Did Laura lose her battle and
become part of the Black Lodge?

Also, can we be sure that the bank blast killed Andrew, Pete, and Audrey?
There would seem to be almost no way that they might have survived -- 
although they might have had a shot at it, if the bomb had a sufficiently
slow timer.

So, we never did get to see Diane... and the scene with Gordon from the
trailer didn't make the cut...

This was clearly one of the bloodiest shows I've seen made for primetime.
Ben, Coop, Annie, and, I think, someone else, had serious untended head
wounds.

The MFAP said that he'd show up again as someone else -- who?

Seems like we were right in guessing that the Waiter and the Giant were
the same. What was with the coffee stunt?

Was that Laura reflected in the coffee cup in the end titles?

It seems that the dream sequence from earlier in the series does indeed
happen 25 years later -- but that seems to be an unpossessed Coop in that
sequence. What does this tell us about who has come back as Coop?

Did Doc kill Ben, or merely injure him?

When did Ronette get better?

Where did the Log Lady go when Earle replaced her? How did she get back?
How did Coop know exactly when she'd show up at the sherrif's office?

And... what about Naomi? (Back to "Love of Chair"...)


It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

Well, I've already gotten a piece of email from someone who didn't like the
finale.  To bad for them.  I liked it!  The ending still disturbs me, as Coop
was an awfully important hero to me, but, there were a lot other things to
like about the episode.

I can't believe I didn't find the important location on the petroglyph/map.
Sitting right there next to the circle of trees is a sign that looks almost
like a yin/yang symbol, though the black and white halves are not
intertwined in this one.  The Black Lodge and the White Lodge.  It actually
even looks sort of spatially correct for the two sides that Cooper kept
running between; I wonder, now, if the show was consistent about one of
those rooms belonging to the White Lodge and the other belonging to the
Black Lodge?  Guess I'll have to rewatch it!

So did Cooper really let BOB in when he agreed to surrender his soul in
return for Annie's life (even though BOB said WE couldn't make that exchange,
he didn't say *he* couldn't!)?  Or did the doppelganger Cooper merely overpower
Dale and make it back to physical reality in his place?  I wonder if TP would
have taken this particular plot twist if Lynch et al hadn't needed a bang-up,
shock ending for the series climax?  If the show picks up again in some form,
will Coop struggle from within against BOB, or is the good Coop still back
in the Lodge?  Will the good Coop only appear in visions and through owls?
Will he really have to wait 20 or 25 years to escape?  Will he age in the
meantime?  Aaaaggghhh... I don't want the show to be over!!!

Is Annie really okay?  "How's Annie?"

Lots of other thoughts and questions.  Looking forward to those of others.
-- -larryy@apple.com "You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple, and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'." - Edmund Blackadder

All I got to say is:

LYNCH MUST DIE!

Argh!!!!!!!!

JOhn.


-- /-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\ * John A Kusters, jr. jkusters@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU * * "We do not inherit the Earth from our parents, * One Planet, One People * \__We borrow it from our children." - Apache saying_*_A Citizen of the World_/

First,a few words of introduction....

My name is Brian Keith Morrison and I am using Bob's account.  Why?  Because
I don't have one of my own...this will soon change, however!

Well...what do I say?  David Lynch is NOT God.  'He's jus zis guy, y'know!'

Cooper faced his confrontation with the Black Lodge with imperfect 
courage.  He forgot to face evil and fear with love.  His previous comments
to Agent Roger Hardy (the FBI agent played by Clarence Williams III) that
he is looking 'beyond the board...looking at the world with love' exemplified
this philosophy.  But in the true test, Cooper failed.  

Why?

He did not save Windom Earle from BOB.  (Gathering thoughts here...)
Cooper loved Annie, and she was the focus of his love, but in order to 
truly love, to look at the world with love, you must ALSO love your enemies.
In failing to save Windom, Cooper could not save himself...hence...being
possesed by BOB.

Since Major Briggs APPARENTLY passed his test (facing the Black Lodge and
reaching the White Lodge as he said previously that he believed this 
is what happened to him during his dissapearance?), he is the logical
choice to go in after Cooper's good self (assuming BOB is in control of
Cooper's evil doppleganger.).

But should we really be suprised by Cooper's failure here?  After all
he and Annie DID make love like crazed weasels!  ;^)  

*shakes finger*  Naughty naughty!!!

All in all, a realllly goood shew!

Thanks David!  (I'll be praying for your soul!  :)

I look forward to Twin Peaks: The Motion Picture...there IS going to be
one, isn't there, David????????

Brian Keith Morrison


PS.  By the way....'How's Annie?'


--
Robert D. Cappel, Iowa City,IA  ||Windom Earle: "What is your greatest
aka "BOB", eager for fun!       ||               fear...?" 
                                ||Major Briggs: "The idea...that....love
czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu     ||               is not enough...!"

SPOILERS!!!!

He fucking nuked the place!!!

As always at great moments in Peaks history, half the people will hate it
and bitch about how they were ripped off, and the other half will babble
senselessly raving over it and trying to make sense of it all!

The Giant and the Dwarf--one and the same--

Doppelganger--

Watch out for my cousin--

Leland and Laura and BOB inside them all--

Annie/Caroline... Giant/Dwarf... Windom/Coop... engine oil/coffee...
Laura's face reflected upside-down in a cup of joe....

Windom a victim of his own hubris, toying with BOB....

You all know Lynch doesn't believe in happy endings.  You all KNOW that.
Somehow, looking back, I think I would have been disappointed in anything
any less shattering than the image we all hated and feared, Coop looking
into the mirror at BOB.

Coop seems to have saved Annie this time, but at the cost of his soul...
or was it just a doppelganger?  Laura said "I'll see you again in 25
years," and it wasn't a doppelganger talking when she said it....

"Wow, BOB, wow!"

Of course more questions than we could ever hope to answer, and more fear
and death than we ever expected--holy shit, I forgot about Audrey's and
Pete's and Andrew's death by Jonathan's bomb... might as well take out a
few bystanders in the general carnage....

Gratuitous?  Yes.  Style over substance?  Unquestionably.  Disappointing?
In many ways.  And yet Lynch seems to me to have achieved the grand effect
which he was building up towards all along:  that love, in the end, is
simply not enough.

Do you need to brush your teeth?

--
Rob Jellinghaus                 | "Next time you see a lie being spread or
Autodesk, Inc.                  |  a bad decision being made out of sheer
robertj@Autodesk.COM            |  ignorance, pause, and think of hypertext."
{decwrl,uunet}!autodesk!robertj |    -- K. Eric Drexler, _Engines of Creation_

> >6/10  Repeat after me: damnABCdamnABCdamnABCdamnABCdamnABCdamnABCdamnABC
(In the motd on the machine I use within 30 seconds of the finale)




Definitely one of the most well executed pieces of TV I've seen in a while.
(Garbage collection.........done)

Anyway, the ending sequence was scarry.  Again, the Little Man warned Coop
about the dopplegangers.  BoB fooled Coop into thinkgin that he'd won
by taking Windom's soul, but Coop couldn't outrun the evil.  

Early on it almost sounded as if Lynch was going to go into some goofy
stupid love/fear symbolism -- but I should've known Lynch better than that.
The guy likes to point out the bad in things.  Not into wishy-washy.

The actual plot line of the ending was very unsatisfying, however.  Not only
does it not serve as an adequate ending to the series, but as a season ender,
as one of my illustrious predecessors suggested we think of it, the idea
of Truman leading the frontline battle against Agent Bob doesn't excite me
much.  Truman as a character isn't well developed enough, in my opinion.

Of course, I was happy to see Laura remained a part of the ending credits.

David Paschich

How's Annie?

Several notes and spoilers:


1: We DID not see any bodies, except Ben's and he was moving.
2. The Major is on his way to the lodge
3. Everybody at the Double R was pretty much in love, so, is
"love enough"?
4. Dale seems to be in heap big trouble...
5. Is it just me, is the black lodge actually spelled and
pronounced "b-l-a-c-k l-o-u-n-g-e"? I thought "Candy-colored
clown" scene in "Blue Velvet" was intended to be have much the
same effect (sense of impending doom) and came off A LOT
better.
6. As someone else said, probably the scariest and the most
depressing episode of "Peaks" in a while.
7. How many of you ever watch ABC? Now, how many will be
watching once Peaks is gone? Oh yeah, "perfect strangers" and
"who's the boss" are on top of MY list. So, how about letting
ABC just how many viewers they lost with the cancellation, not
just less viewing hours, but less real live viewers.
8. Anybody willing to sell a copy of the premiere?

OR


-- "One man's 'harsh and bitter truth' is another man's 'foolish and uninformed fiction'" -d.haynie

In article <1991Jun11.030629.21297@wpi.WPI.EDU> meep@wpi.WPI.EDU (The Cutter) writes:
> >Sorry...had to get that out of my system...I've been wanting to scream all
> >night.
> >
> >Not that I didn't like it.  I LOVED it.  There really was no other way to end
> >it, IMHO.  It's just that David Lynch (quite intentionally) makes me VERY
> >VERY VERY NERVOUS.
> >
> >Comments/suggestions/threats?
> >
> >doug

Just a minute, I have to go brush my teeth.  I have to brush my teeth.
How's Annie?


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Carol Osterbrock                        *  Such a long, long time to be gone, 
carolo@cis.ucsc.edu                     *     And a short time to be there...
================================================================================

(Un)Wholly cup of black joe!!  I am PISSED, and probably will continue
to be until the sequel/movie/other network/...  And if there is none,
I am afraid that I will be even MORE pissed!!  As far as I'm
concerned, there now HAS to be (yeah, I know, someone will say "Why do
they HAVE to...") a followup.  Looks like the loyal need to campaign
for the next phase to save COOPER!  And we thought the Pine Weasle was threatened.
Yow!!
Obviously, David Lynch/Mark Frost et al are brilliant, but this really
sucks! (Observe MY reaction....Lynch knows how to do it, but.......)
Oh well....I have to admit that the show tonite was some of the most
intense, powerful, gripping, entertainment I've ever experienced.
Here's a theory for the sequel:  Since it appears that Harry
will know that Cooper is now Cooper-Bar (Anti-Cooper, or perhaps
Cooper-Bob, Coobob, Bobper, BooBer....), he will let Harland know.
Harland will mount a rescue mission to get Dale.  Dale-bar-Bob will go
after Harland to stop him.  Dale-bar and Bob will get tricked or
something and Dale and Harland escape.  This of course assumes that
David Lynch wants to satisfy my urge (and need) to rescue Dale...Oh well...
And what about Annie???
My wife Beverly wants to add that TP shows what a waistland TV has
actually been in comparison.  We need more intelligent TV!

spoilers for the "last" Twin Peaks...


eep!

random comments:

* Doppelgangers. Coop's dark side escapes. As did Leland's (that's why the
other Leland is in the lodge, and "didn't kill anyone")... Laura's light side
escaped, leaving her dark side in the lodge. Sound somewhat right?

* Repeated dialogue. The entire scene in the RR Diner, with the german
  girl we haven't seen since the pilot movie, repeating the same damned
  thing ("couldn't jumpstart the old man?" etc...) Weird. And we see
  Mrs. Horne again, too...

* Ben Horne. Dead? Giving his last twitches before his soul leaves his
  body? Why the BOB music as Hayward kills him? And then Hayward's at
  the hotel?

* Hey, what DID happen to Josie?

* Briggs is the guy. He's the one who is told by the Log Lady that "Coop
  Is With Me at the Black Lodge"... he's got to be the one to save him.

* I'm hoping that Audrey, Andrew, and Pete ARE dead. 
  Just because it wouldn't be a rip-off that way.

* Whoever got that final scene right with BOB in the mirror, well done.

I can't believe we have to wait for a movie. But what the hell.. if there's a
movie, that's better than nothing. One day everyone will look back on those
last 30 minutes and say, "How did something like this ever get on a network?"

I praise ABC for letting it on the air in the first place. I praise Lynch and
Frost for not losing their vision and "dumbing up" the show. And I curse ABC
for pulling the plug. Unfortunately, programmers live and die by ratings. Even
though I think TP is one of the most ardently watched shows in america. Look
at the merchandise and books, for example. But it's an audience that doesn't
show up on ratings. It's a young audience, a demographically strong audience..
and I'm sure we'll all be there when TP returns.. whenever that is.

The gum we like will one day come back in style. Until that day...

-jason


-- Jason Snell / jsnell@ucsd.edu / University of California, San Diego "There's nothing quite like urinating out in the open air" - Dale Cooper

In article <20450@sdcc6.ucsd.edu>, mhorn@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Melanie M. Horn) writes...
> >One of the best yet.. the biggest disappointment is that

[stuff deleted]

> >* Did it occur to anyone else that Lucy was doing some pretty 
> >  fancy stunts (including that split) for a lady who was 
> >  pregnant?   

[stuff deleted]

yes! I was thinking  "that kid's going to POP out any time now !!"


> >* The scene with Cooper and BOB staring at each other in the
> >  mirror and Coopers Hows Annie?  was incredible.. If it had
> >  to happen, MacLachlan sure did do a good job.  He did a 
> >  complete turnaround from his usual Jo e Friday.

I liked seeing Coop as evil (nice change).

> >* How about this.. Catherine planted the bomb in the safety
> >  deposit box because she was getting sick of Andrews taking
> >  over.  Only she didnt think that Pete would be there.. or
> >  maybe she didnt care..

Yes, Catherine planted the bomd...the question is, what did Catherine take 
out of the deposit box before she planted the bomb ???

> >* If the Log Ladys husband knew about the oil, did he know
> >  about the Lodge itself?

I think he did...maybe that's one reason he was encesed in the Log (perhaps 
by BoB)

> > 
> >-- 
> >------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Melanie Horn           |  University of California, San Diego
> > melanie@ucsd.edu       |  Hello Agent Cooper.  Ill see you in 25 
> > mhorn@sdcc13.ucsd.edu  |  years.  Meanwhile..  -Laura Palmer 


-----------------

   One word sums up probably the responsibility of any Vice President,
   and that one word is 'to be prepared.'

                            --- Vice President Dan Quayle
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In article <9106110622.AA13270@soda.berkeley.edu> dpassage@SODA.BERKELEY.EDU (David G. Paschich) writes:
>> >>6/10  Repeat after me: damnABCdamnABCdamnABCdamnABCdamnABCdamnABCdamnABC
> >(In the motd on the machine I use within 30 seconds of the finale)

Yah, guess I beat you there by thirty seconds, Dave.



Well, more questions then answers, but about as expected, considering the
fact that this was taped months and months ago, before the idiots at ABC
decided to stuff two episodes together as a finale.  As a season finale,
I'd give the episode high marks.  As the ending for Twin Peaks, I think
it doesn't give the morale that Lynch wanted.  (Love is meaningless, and
Evil Conquers All? -- doesn't sounds like Lynch to me)

Oh well, I guess we're going to see Twin Peaks join the ranks of TV
programs with unresolved cliff hangers ("V", Soap, Blake's 7 - How'd
Twin Peaks manage to end up in that company?)

EOT

In article <9106102307.AA4191@cas.org> lwv27@CAS.BITNET (Larry W. Virden ext. 2487) writes:


   Myself, I am flat out ANGRY.

I must agree

   I am angry that we see Dale running around in a STUPID set - that
   the White Lodge scarcely makes an appearance - and I DONT mean the
   stupid appearance of the trio  before the Doppleganger sequence.

   I am angry that Coop never mentions or acts upon the Giant'a
   warning from before the pagent.

   I am angry that we see the Dr so out of character in attacking Ben
   and then, a while later, standing over Coop.

   I am angry that Mike did not show up in the sequence.

   I felt good about the show up until the Red Room sequence.  From that point
   on I felt cheated - as if all ideas had ran out and so resorting to
   stream of conciousness (or unconciousness as the case may be) was
   the final solution.

I really liked these images.  It tied up the dream sequenced very
nicely, it was unnerving, and enough to weird out even Cooper
(apparently!).  It was very weird!  It reminded me of the main idea
behind an episode of the Avengers called "The House that Jack Built".
In this one, Emma Peal (I think) was trapped in side of a bizarre,
reconfiguring house.  It was set up so that leaving a room could take
you back to the same room (halls "silently" rotated, etc)... That was
strange, but tonite takes the cake.  And...I'm still pissed!!!!!!

What about Cooper saying "I Will" to Windom Earle's request to him
about trading his soul for Annie's life?  Is THIS why Bob now has
Cooper?  Note that Bob popped right in at that point, but mentioned
that Windom had overstepped his "authority"...Hmmmm......

ARRGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! Noooooooooooooooooooo, not cooper!!!  I'm dying!
I can't believe that Lynch did this to us!!!!!!

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The complete timeline (completely revised) will be posted in a few days.
Meanwhile.

Meanwhile.        AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! (tea kettle whistle *8^)


Cooper and the little man from another place sitting in the red room.
LMFAP:  When you see me again, it won't be me.  This is the waiting room.
Would you like some coffee?  Some of your friends are here.
Laura:  Hello Agent Cooper.  {snaps her fingers}  I'll see you in 25 years.
Meanwhile {presents her hands}
Great Northern room service waiter:  Hallelujah!
LMFAP:  Hallelujah!
GNRSW:  Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee, Coffee  {sets down solid coffee
for Cooper}
Giant:  One and the same.
{LMFAP rubs his hands.  Cooper picks his coffee - it's liquid.  When he's about
to drink, it's solid.  LMFAP continues rubbing his hands.  The coffee's
liquid.  LMFAP continues rubbing his hands.  The coffee's viscous.}
LMFAP:  Wow, Bob, Wow.  Fire walk with me.
{Fire.  Strobe effect.  Cooper walks to the other room.  Identical furniture
but empty.  Back to the original room.}
LMFAP:  Wrong way
{Cooper goes back to to the other room.  LMFAP babbles excitedly. Then:}
LMFAP:  Another friend
{Maddy enters, LMFAP ducks behind a chair.}
Maddy:  I'm Maddy.  Watch out for my cousin.
{Cooper goes back to the original room.  It's empty.  Then:}
LMFAP (shadow self):  Doppleganger
Laura  (shadow self):  {presenting hands}  Meanwhile  {screams}
{Back to the other room.  Cooper on the floor bleeding.  Back to the original
room.  Caroline and Cooper on the floor bleeding.  No, it's Annie.  Annie
gets up.}
Cooper:  Caroline?
Annie:  {gets up}  Dale.  I saw the face of the man who killed me.
Cooper:  Annie... you saw the face of the man who killed you?
Annie:  It was my husband.
Cooper:  Annie?
Annie:  Who's Annie?  It's me, it's me, it's me.
Cooper:  Caroline?
Caroline (shadow self):  You must be mistaken.  I'm alive.
{Laura (shadow self) screaming.}
Earle:  Dale Cooper.  If you give me your soul, I'll let Annie live.
Cooper:  I will.
{Earle stabs Cooper.  Fire.  Rewind.  BOB takes Earle}
BOB:  {to Earle}  Be quiet.  Be quiet.  {to Cooper}  You go.  He is wrong.
He can't ask for your soul.  I will take his.  {takes}
{Cooper's shadow self enters as Cooper leaves}
Leland (shadow self):  I did not kill anybody.
{Cooper's shadow self chases Cooper and catches up to him.  BOB laughs.}

-- Edwin Nomura -- enomura@ucsd.edu -- _________________________________________ ! "Welcome to my world, involve yourself within my dream" - Slayer ! ! "As you realize only in dreams, do dreams come true" - Debbie Gibson ! ^^~~~~~~~~~~~~----------_______________________________________________________/

One of the best yet.. the biggest disappointment is that
after a year of holding up the virtues and determination of
Cooper, Cooper seems to have lost to BOB.  I agree with some
of the posters who say that this could just be Coopers 
shadow self.  But unless there is another TP made, it is a
rather depressing way to end Coops character.. maybe thats in
Lynch fashion, though.

A few comments on the finale:

* What will happen to Leo?  The guy is left hanging by a
  string.. (bad pun)  Were those tarantulas up there?  
* Very surprised about Audrey being in the bank during the
  explosion.  However, I guess she can afford to have her 
  character (possibly) killed off.  She certainly has gained
  enough publicity from TP!
* Great of Lynch to bring back the old characters.  The German
  waitress, Sylvia Horne, Leland (did anyone notice his hair
  changing color while talking to Cooper?), Maddy, Laura (my,
  can that girl scream!), LMFAP and Ronnette. 
  Yea for not bringing back James! 
* Why didnt they explain why everyones hands were shaking in
  the past few episodes?  Was it contamination (like some here
  guessed) of the water, etc.  or was it just the fear of what
  was to come?
* Was anyone else very annoyed by the scene with the old man 
  at the bank.. walking.. very.. slowly.. to.. wherever.. it..
  was.. he.. was.. going?  ARGH!  Especially since Coop was
  in the Lodge at the same time..
* I thought that when Cooper and Briggs had discussed the Lodge
  earlier, there were two seperate entrances to two different
  Lodges- White and Black.  Was the White Lodge ever entered?
  It seemed to be the Black Lodge the whole time.
* Nadines wrestling slide show was a good touch.  Pretty funny.
* The plotline with Donna and Ben was the worst.  Donna just
  seems to whine all the time.  Nobody cares about her anymore.
  This seemed to be invented just to give these characters 
  something to do.  What was the point?  And having Dr. H 
  get so mad?  For a sec, we all thought BOB had possessed him!
  No way.. Doc H cant have it in him.  And him at Great Northern
  so suddenly?  Nope, sorry, not buying it..
* A co-viewer yelled, Ive always wanted to do that!  when 
  Cooper starts emptying the toothpaste tube.  :)
* Did it occur to anyone else that Lucy was doing some pretty 
  fancy stunts (including that split) for a lady who was 
  pregnant?       
* Why did Josie weigh so little at her death?  And why wasnt 
  she brought back?
* The LMFAP is very good at those close examining stares at
  Cooper.  He was really giving me a scare!
* The scene with Cooper and BOB staring at each other in the
  mirror and Coopers Hows Annie?  was incredible.. If it had
  to happen, MacLachlan sure did do a good job.  He did a 
  complete turnaround from his usual Jo e Friday.
* How about this.. Catherine planted the bomb in the safety
  deposit box because she was getting sick of Andrews taking
  over.  Only she didnt think that Pete would be there.. or
  maybe she didnt care..
* If the Log Ladys husband knew about the oil, did he know
  about the Lodge itself?
* On a last note, my friends all remarked that Lynch was really
  going all out on his last episode when Norma & judges were
  talking about the pageant (first 15 mins of show) and a
  guy walks in front of them carrying a deer?  Did it look 
  peculiarly like something kind of kinky or do my friends
  just have very dirty minds?  They all seemed to notice it
  right away!

It was interesting how the two episodes were broken up by the
credits.  The second half definitely had that Lynch-ish 
quality.  

Lets hope our unanswered questions will be answered and that
that was only a kind of season and not series finale!  Oh, and
sorry.. my quote and apostrophe key is out of whack.  :)
 
-- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Melanie Horn | University of California, San Diego melanie@ucsd.edu | Hello Agent Cooper. Ill see you in 25 mhorn@sdcc13.ucsd.edu | years. Meanwhile.. -Laura Palmer

jeff@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Jeffrey D Williamson) writes:

> >this was supposed to be the big finale. But I have some advice for you.
> >Just look at this episode as if it were the *season* finale for Season 2,
> >then think about what would be happening next fall (or in the theatrical
> >release, Lynch willing).
> >
Yeah, the problem is what we got is a cliffhanger with no hope
of rescue.  I certainly felt "I devoted two years for this!".
If it were comming back in the fall I probably wouldn't watch in
earnest.  Oh well.

appel@xcf.Berkeley.EDU (Shannon D. Appel) writes:

> >Oh well, I guess we're going to see Twin Peaks join the ranks of TV
> >programs with unresolved cliff hangers ("V", Soap, Blake's 7 - How'd
> >Twin Peaks manage to end up in that company?)

I guess this is what bothers me the most.  Lynch comes on and
wants to do a non-traditional TV show.  Thats great.  So it starts
off like wildfire (come walk with me, sorry).  Fans go nuts, some
network executive says David we can make a buck here.  So rather
than do it right, here is the formula to use.  And David does it.

Rather than plan to complete a 'complete work of art' what you
do is plan a work of art you can work on as long as possible.
What you get in the end is an incomplete work of art.

Actually, we have an allegory here: Lynch is Coop, the black lodge is
ABC TV,  Lynch the black lodge and comes out tainted.

Oh well.

For anyone who cares the planets Mars, Venus, and Jupiter will come
together this week.  And that is mentioned by Cooper in the last 
episode.  Anyway, this week is when the planets will be the closest
to each other for 126 years.

I was disappointed by the last episode due to the fact that many things
were left up in the air.  It was big let down.

Bert Nelson
Weber State University (pronounced WEEBER, not WEBBER)
bnelson@cc.weber.edu

Spoilers, theories and questions follow:


IMHO, I don't think the White Lodge appeared at all.  What if all the 
manifestations (Little Man, etc.) were from the Black Lodge?  What if this 
was all part of the grand scheme of the BL to get Coop there.  A chess game
in a chess game?

Here is my theory:  Using LP, the Black Lodge got Coop to TP.  Then using
Renault, they keep Coop there.  Finally, by using WE, they got Coop into
the Black Lodge.  The BL would have a lot to gain by using the dark side of 
Coop, especially since he did not face it.  Did the BL know that Coop would 
run when his dark side appeared?  So now we have the good Coop trapped in
BL and the bad Coop out in the world.

Is the gate open only a specific time or until June?  If it is open until 
June, it would be possible to go back into BL and save Coop.  The best 
candidates: Truman and/or Annie.  Since love could open the gate to the WL, 
they could possibly be the key to helping Coop.

And now, what of WE?  Is he a permanent resident of the BL?  It is interesting
that when WE wants to take Coop's soul, it looks like he is using a knife
but Bob just pulls it out.  And the soul comes out as flames?  Fire, come
walk with me -- Soul, come walk with me?

Overall, I enjoyed the episode.  I did not, as some may, expect a blow-out
of a finale because IMHO, I did't think Lynch would do it.  He would finish the
series as planned.  By changing it, he would have bowed to the dark spirits of
ABC (Black Lodge??).  If anyone expected all the loose ends to be tied up,
that would have been asking too much.

Contains spoilers from the final episode...

Well, I loved it.  I haven't been reading this group recently, and I
usually don't go this much into detail about television shows, but
this was the best damned two hours of entertainment this person's had
in a long while, and dammit, I'll make a fool of myself on USENET if I
feel like it.

At first, I didn't like the ending at all.  "After all this, BOB gets
Coop?!"  This quote puts it better than I can.

From: amanda@wam.umd.edu (Amanda Lynn Babcock)
> >Death.  Pain.  Desolation.  Dreams broken, souls defiled, all worthwhile 
> >achievements brought to nothing.  Tragedy lacking nobility, meaningless and
> >without redemption. 

It didn't make sense.  David Lynch has always struck me as very apple
pie at heart, with a human ear in his pocket.  I didn't expect the
moral to be "love is not enough."

We've been learning -- bit by bit -- about the black lodge, the white
lodge, and what it takes to go through unscathed.  Coop faces this
challenge in the key scene from the next-to-last sequence, in which
Windom and Coop had their "showdown."  Windom asks Coop to give up his
soul for Annie.  By accepting, (sorry if this sounds hackneyed) he has
chosen love over fear.  From what we have been led to expect, Coop has
passed the test.

Then, BOB takes windom (checkmate), and frees Cooper.  Or at least
that's how I saw it until the final final scene.  In the last five
minutes of film, we find the Coop is possessed by BOB.  No fair!  I
didn't mind Coop getting shot at the end of season 1, since that was
just a senseless act.  The story is telling me that Coop did not have
what it takes to make it through the black/white lodge.  How does the
plot continue from here?

Then, this idea, stolen from another person's article.  It made some
sense to me, but it may seem to you as if I'm grasping at straws to
make the ending fit my expectations.

From: tvanhorn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Thomas F Van Horne)
> >Interesting. Dopplegangors. She'll see him in 25 years. 
> >I see some hope for Dale in that. In his 25 year hence dream state
> >he didn't seem possessed by Bob. Is this finally the evil twin motif? Is
> >Cooper's better self still in the waiting room?

Evil twin stories sound silly, but bear with me.  I see it like this:
Cooper is stuck in the black lodge, evil Cooper is out in the real
world.  Cooper chases Windom/Bob around, evil Cooper gets hunted by
Truman, et. al.  Cooper has another soul-searching scene, which I
don't know what it is, and then a bunch of white lodge stuff.
Meanwhile, Truman's narrowed in on evil Coop.  As Coop finds
redemption, he takes the place of evil Coop, Truman doesn't shoot him,
something else happens, and then a cherry on top.

What this future storyline does for me is the following:
    Affirms our belief that love is enough.
    Allows Coop to get to the white lodge.
    Gives us a reason for the dopplegangers.
    Has a cherry on top.
    Keeps around the Windom Earle character.
    Lets us see Log Lady's hubby at the white lodge.
    Never places two Coopers on the physical world at the same time.
    Shows Dale Cooper (possesed by Bob) ravaging the town of Twin Peaks,
        while at the same time assuring us that it's not Dale's doing.

One big minus is that this future storyline would either have evil
Coop kill people which would hold Coop accountable, or it would have
evil Coop kill no one, which is a bit boring.  

If a movie version (or another season) ever pans out, we will see what
the writers come up with.  I hope to god it's better than my version.
I also hope to god it's better than the civil war and "little nicky"
storylines they had...  However, the point is this.  I found that by
thinking of how the ending could be continued, I could see the ending in
a different light.  I suppose this is what people meant by, "think of
this as a season finale, not a finale finale."  

Before, it just seemed like, "Ok.  We're not being renewed.  Let's
paste on that one-minute toothbrush-Bob-mirror thing and get the hell
out of here."  Now, I don't know what to think, which is normal for
this show, I suppose.

-Sho
-- sho@physics.purdue.edu <<-- and then Glinda the good witch said, "ok, Laura, hand over them pine nuts." after which Maddy hooted like an owl, and then two scarecrows, one bearing the sign of the lion, the other the sign of the wolf, had a pie eating contest, and then I wrote a run-on sentence, and then....

One thing I liked about the finale is that it cleaned up a lot of the
stupid side plots, creating a clear ground for a movie concentrating on
Bob, Coop, Truman, and Annie.  The whole Nadine thing is resolved (at
least, it's back to an ordinary triangle), Andrew, Pete, and Audrey are
dead (going to miss Pete; I'm surprised Lynch would kill off his old
friend), Windom Earle is finally out of the picture, all the clutter has
been cleared away -- all those side plots that the TV series (may have)
needed to fill in the time available are eliminated to make space for
the much shorter movie to come.

The other thing I liked is, the utter triumph of evil.  I doubt that
anybody is going to immediately pick up on Bob's impersonation of Coop
(or, if you prefer, Coop's evil twin replacing him) right away, and even
if they did, what would they do?  The Major and the Log Lady will
probably know, and Annie will likely figure it out.  Bob will have a
free rein for a while.  On the other hand, Coop did defeat WE, and get
Annie back, though she's not particularly safe.  Only Lynch would be
bold enough to end a TV show in this way.

-- J

Typical Lynch!

In article <9106102307.AA4191@cas.org>, lwv27@CAS.BITNET (Larry W. Virden ext. 2487) writes...
> >Well, I hope you all are satisfied!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >I guess you showed Lynch - those of you who wrote that final 30-60
> >seconds of the movie.
> > 
> >Myself, I am flat out ANGRY.
> > 
> >I am angry that we see Dale running around in a STUPID set - that
> >the White Lodge scarcely makes an appearance - and I DONT mean the
> >stupid appearance of the trio  before the Doppleganger sequence.
> > 

[other angers deleted]

I'm angry that the major did not have a larger role (or one at all!!)

I'm angry that they dropped an extremely interesting plot line (KING ARTHUR 
!!) they mentioned it and then *** POOF *** they dropped it.  Maybe 
spanning from England to Twin Peaks was too much?  not for me.


-----------------

   One word sums up probably the responsibility of any Vice President,
   and that one word is 'to be prepared.'

                            --- Vice President Dan Quayle
-----------------

In article <1991Jun11.051838.27965@colorado.edu>, grubin@tramp.colorado.edu (J Exby) writes...
> > 
> >Ok minor spoilers and gushes of praise to follow.
> >Let's try this ctrl-l biz and see if it works:
> > 
> >!!  Ok, I sat riveted to the last 80min especially, twitching
> >and KNOWING all hell was gonna break loose!  It did.  LYNCH
> >you are the MAN of ultra coolness!  

> >The drawn out scenes that
> >some complain of "red room" and maybe that banker getting Audrey
> >wauter were absolutely wonderful.

They were absolutely BOORING!!!!!!!!!!!
I fell asleep twice waiting for the banker to get the water.  I kept 
thinking, "they could use this wasted time to futher the good vs. evil line
..to me it seems they ran out of ideas.

> >Adding to the suspense and
> >possible "personal interpretation" was the redroom, and the banker for
> >sheer humor/torture making me bust out.  What a subtle yet mean touch.
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The Red Room was the worst excuse for cheap set I have ever seen.  It 
reminded me of "Plan 9 from Outer Space" (a movie so BAD it's great)..this 
was soo Bad, its bad.

> >I did think it was the most amazing thing I've seen on tv.  especially
> >imagery wise.  Sure some answers never get let out, but hell details...
> >I mean I didnt expect to have some producer DUMP answers on me so I
> >knew  every tiny details.  

Ok, but don't waste my time leaving so many threads dangling.  If they ARE 
planning to do a movie, fine.  But I have come to like all the characters 
in TP that it is not kosher to leave their fates hanging if there is NO 
movie.  If this WAS the last show ever (and I think it is IMHO) then WRAP 
IT UP !!!

That is what we imagine and have this 
> >group for....TP was about not having things laid out before you like
> >we're kids.  Life aint like that and peaks brings out the wild side
> >of the world.  Evil sometime wins, and shocking to find out the
> >"hero" has lost.  So I sit here a bit stunned and overwhelmed.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Agreed...I though having Coop possessed by BOB in the end was a nice touch.


> >But also very, strangely happy - and electric at the ending.  damn fine!
> >I have to go brush my teeth.  That's when I felt it.  wham.
                                                       ^^^^

That's the way I feel, WHAM!,  whay did they do this, WHAM!, What a 
terrible ending, WHAM!, I'm enjoying this more that the finale, I think 
I'll do it a few more times, WHAM!, WHAM!

> >A true gem, Mr. Lynch!  Bravo.
        ^^^
a piece of coal


-----------------

   One word sums up probably the responsibility of any Vice President,
   and that one word is 'to be prepared.'

                            --- Vice President Dan Quayle
-----------------

  Just a thought:
       If Audrey & Co. are toast and since the quaint old man never called
the police or the Gazette, that makes for an odd picture...How would an
investigator explain the fact that Ben Horne's daughter had been chained
to the gate of the vault before the explosion?  It's the stuff Enquirer
articles are made of. . .
  Also:  People are referring to an Twin Peaks movie?! Just speculation, or
has someone got a line on something I don't?

Chad Sanders
Central Michigan University

My review:

The first hour and a half:  Tedious and boring.
Pete, Audrey, and Packard:  They blew up REAL good.
The black(red) lodge:  Dense and inscrutable.
The ending:  Really fucking funny.  I loved it.

Doug.

How's ANNie?

And what ever happened to The One Armed Man?

------------------------------------------------------------
Howie Kaye                              howie@columbia.edu
Columbia University                     hlkcu@cuvma.bitnet
UNIX Systems Group                      ...!rutgers!columbia!howie

Could someone e-mail me a gif of Bob?
And one of Laura Palmer?

Yeah, I know where the gif server is, but I cannot access it, because
we are not given general access to internet.

I would really appreciate it if I could get these.

thanks

doug

In article <7051@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes...
> >In article <20438@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> orovner@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Oleg Rovner) writes:
> > 
> >
> > 
>> >>1: We DID not see any bodies, except Ben's and he was moving.
> > 

[stuff deleted]

> >    the scene with Dell in the bank;
> >    the fact that we saw *everybody* (Maddie, Sylvia, Eileen, Heidi,
> >        Sarah, Laura, Leland, Mr. Pinkle. . .) (OK, not Jerry or
> >        Johnny Horne, no OAM or Harold Smith or Tremonds);
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Don't forget Albert ("Get a life punk.")



-----------------

   One word sums up probably the responsibility of any Vice President,
   and that one word is 'to be prepared.'

                            --- Vice President Dan Quayle
-----------------

The LMFAP said, "I've been waiting for you."

////////////////////////////
Special Agent Dale Cooper
shiau@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
University of Pennsylvania

Bye the way, "How's Annie?!"
////////////////////////////

In article <9106102307.AA4191@cas.org> lwv27@CAS.BITNET (Larry W. Virden ext. 2487) writes:
> >
> >I guess you showed Lynch - those of you who wrote that final 30-60
> >seconds of the movie.
> >
> >Myself, I am flat out ANGRY.
> >
Yep, me too - though I am most angry with myself for investing 2hrs.
of my time to watch this "last episode". But, it was pretty much what I
expected, I guess. They have been making things up as they've gone along,
using style and bizarreness as a substitute for a truly cohesive, well thought
out, and interesting story line. In other words, the writing has been terrible
for quite a while. And to harness Coop with the evil entity Bob at the end was
a cheap and easy shot. Bullshit! 

All this made-for-t.v.-movie was was a ploy by d. lynch to get t.p.
viewers to write the network demanding more episodes. Ha! The jokes on us.

-mike

-- Mike McCurdy * mccurdy@ucselx.sdsu.edu *

In article <1991Jun11.050233.20978@risky.ecs.umass.edu> giovin@medr0.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:

   Cooper said that during the Jupiter/Saturn conjunction, Jupiter's
   influence is expansive.  Since Jupiter corresponds to "good"-ness
   or the White Lodge, then why was the Black Lodge apparently so powerful
   in the last episode?

*and* Saturn's is contractive.  The point being that when they are
together, anything can happen.  Also, Hawk said you have to go through
the Black Lodge to get to the White Lodge, and that few people succeed
when confronting their dark side.  It's not that the Black Lodge was
more powerful, but that Cooper had to pass that test first.

Muffy

In article <53854@apple.Apple.COM> larryy@Apple.COM (Larry Yaeger) writes:
> >I can't believe I didn't find the important location on the petroglyph/map.
> >Sitting right there next to the circle of trees is a sign that looks almost
> >like a yin/yang symbol, though the black and white halves are not
> >intertwined in this one.  The Black Lodge and the White Lodge.  It actually
> >even looks sort of spatially correct for the two sides that Cooper kept
> >running between; I wonder, now, if the show was consistent about one of
> >those rooms belonging to the White Lodge and the other belonging to the
> >Black Lodge?  Guess I'll have to rewatch it!

I can see how you interpreted the symbol this way, but doesn't it look
more like a small well of water?

> >in the Lodge?  Will the good Coop only appear in visions and through owls?
> >Will he really have to wait 20 or 25 years to escape?  Will he age in the
> >meantime? 
I thought that the "...in 25 years..." quote referred to what we saw in
the first dream-- Cooper was an old man, 25 years in the future sitting
with the LMFAP and Laura.

Rocky Giovinazzo

> >  I'm angry that they dropped an extremely interesting plot line (KING ARTHUR 
> >  !!) they mentioned it and then *** POOF *** they dropped it.  Maybe 
> >  spanning from England to Twin Peaks was too much?  not for me.
> >  
> >  

No, bringing in a King Arthur plot would have been a lame, unoriginal way of  
tying things up.  TP didn't need something like that to make it work.

..If the series continues somehow (there was talk of a movie), I don't think  
we will see Harry "leading the frontline battle against Agent Bob".  Maybe  
Annie, but Harry probably won't even realize the Coop is Bob.  Annie, Major  
Briggs, Margaret, and maybe MIKE will have to save Coop.

------------------------------------------------------------
Howie Kaye                              howie@columbia.edu
Columbia University                     hlkcu@cuvma.bitnet
UNIX Systems Group                      ...!rutgers!columbia!howie

 >>  Their cherry pie, however, is not too fine.

 I'll have to disagree.  I had 3 pies from the Mar-T air expressed to
 my house for a party I had for the final episode.  We all thought
 the pies were very good.  Plenty of cherries and a light crust that
 had a sheen similar to that shown on the 'Welcome to Twin Peaks' book.
 I would go so far as to say 'damn good' cherry pie, but maybe only
 because of the circumstances.  It was fun.

 Brian WOOD    *House address 710 -- same as Blue Lady's apt in Blue Velvet
               *Just got through studying major religious works like Ben Horne
               *Live next to a grove of TREES
               *Have a friend named Bob
               *My wife's aunt's name is Annie; my sister's name is Anne

In article <6425@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Robert D. Cappel...you can call me The Bob) writes:

> >Since Major Briggs APPARENTLY passed his test (facing the Black Lodge and
> >reaching the White Lodge as he said previously that he believed this 
> >is what happened to him during his dissapearance?), he is the logical
> >choice to go in after Cooper's good self (assuming BOB is in control of
> >Cooper's evil doppleganger.).
Briggs may have passed some sort of test in that he has several times
disappeared and then later returned to Twin Peaks, but according to his
speech after his last return, he (and others) are still looking for the
White Lodge.

Rocky Giovinazzo

And it's not because the show is over, either.  It's because of that
final scene.  I had no idea that I still had so much emotional invest-
ment in Cooper as an indomitable hero.  I tossed and turned in
nightmares of BOB last night.  Jeez...

I know y'all are wondering about whatever happened to the _Rolling_
_Stone_ project.  So am I.  :-)  I can't tell now what's going to
happen with this post-TP depression, but it's *possible* I'll pull out
of it full of energy for writing a farewell article on the show.  I
did save all your neato theories and stuff.

We should start a support group.  Or keep this one going.

--Fiona Oceanstar

SPOILER warning for those who haven't seen the final show !!!!!!!
























OK.  First of all, one heck of a show, but I can't say I loved it or
hated it or felt cheated.  I CAN say I'm rather confused.  Permit me
to babble for a while and offer a theory or two:


Is it just me, or did anyone else notice some really strange sh*t
happening in the "real" world TP while Coop was in the Black Lodge??
It's like *time* was out of sync, like the residents of Twin Peaks had
skipped over the events of the past 3/4 of the season (all the W.
Earle stuff) or had gone back to the time just before it.   Were the
time/events of the TP universe shifting, reversing, or erasing while
Coop was in the BL???

Evidence:

A]  It is night when Coop enters the BL and Truman & Andy are waiting
'outside' for him. The Little Man offers Coop some coffee, S. Drool
Cup appears with the coffee, and repeats 'coffee, coffee, etc'.  When
next we see Truman and Andy it is 10 hours later and they have an
extremely slow and strange conversation.  Andy asks Truman "Do you
want coffee?"    (coincidence????). 

Also, when Coop emerges from the BL, it is night again.  Did Truman
sit on that damned log for 24 hours, or was the 'day' scene with Andy
just time being out of sync while Coop was in the BL, and when he
(Coop) emerged, we are back to the same time frame, just a few minutes later???


B]  Also during the 'day' supposedly 10 hours after Coop went into the
BL, the TP folks are acting like nothing has happened.  I mean, there
has just been massive confusion and terror during the Miss TP
contest, with explosions and screams and a kidnapping (Annie), so why
the hell are Bobby and Shelly and the Major having just a lovely grand
'ol time at the diner as if nothing was out of the ordinary???  

And speaking of Bobby, he looked pretty chipper for a guy that got
*smashed* across the face with a log just 10 hours before!

And speaking of the Major, he too looked pretty good for a guy that
was a babbling, drugged-out veggie just 10 hours before!  (didn't notice
scars or bandages on either of them)

Not to mention the German waitress who shows up out of nowhere...

What really got me about the "Happy Diner" scene was Mrs. Palmer.  Dr.
Jacoby waltzes in with her and she says to the Major "I'm in the Black
Lodge with W. Earle" (or some reference to the BL)   This was the only
ominous thing in the whole scene, and it made me wonder whether the
whole scene wasn't really happening, or was only happening because of
the time shift.  Mrs Palmer's words seemed to be a message to the
Major that this 'day' wasn't real, it was only an illusion (or
alternate reality) brought on by Cooper's exploits in the BL.


OK, so those are my thoughts.  Of course, the only problem is it
DOESN'T explain the last scene of Cooper/Bob.   However, it does offer
a possible explanation as to to why the townsfolk were so oblivious to
the events of the past 6 (?) episodes.


Please comment and/or flame this theory.  As you can see, I'm quite
confused :-)  and would appreciate any spiritual guidance.

Thanks,

Jeff

p.s. In the BL, did Cooper's coffee turn to OIL ??

   
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dpassage@soda.berkeley.edu (David G. Paschich) writes:
> >   Hate to be picky but isn't it "I'd rather have a *full* bottle in front
> >   of me than a frontal lobotomy"
> >   Maybe Tom Waits got it wrong?? Dunno...
> >
> >
> >Actually, I think in the Tom Waits song, the full line was "I'd rather have a
> >bottle in front of me than have to have a frontal lobotomy."  It appeared
> >as printed in Murray's .sig in "Existential Blues" by Tom "T-Bone" Stankas.

They're ALL wrong!  "I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me than
a pre-frontal lobotomy." - Red Dworkas (and his Opal City Poker Chips)
-- Steve Carnes carnes@ico.isc.com uucp: {ncar,nbires}!ico!carnes "Time's fun when you're heaving flies." - fishing tshirt

In <20450@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> mhorn@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Melanie M. Horn) writes:

> >A few comments on the finale:

> >* Was anyone else very annoyed by the scene with the old man 
> >  at the bank.. walking.. very.. slowly.. to.. wherever.. it..
> >  was.. he.. was.. going?  ARGH!  Especially since Coop was
> >  in the Lodge at the same time..

Annoyed?  Hell no.  Classic, I mean *CLASSIC* Lynch.  It was
hilarious.  I also felt sad, in some ways, for older people.

Did you notice the close-up shot of the woman bank teller who was
sleeping?  Did it remind you of a scene in "Eraserhead?"

> >* The scene with Cooper and BOB staring at each other in the
> >  mirror and Coopers Hows Annie?  was incredible.. If it had
> >  to happen, MacLachlan sure did do a good job.  He did a 
> >  complete turnaround from his usual Jo e Friday.

Well, Cooper's acting was certainly better in that segment than it was
after the Miss Twin Peaks Contest and the "Whoops, There Go The Lights
Scene".  I mean his reaction and subsequent acting when he discovered
Annie missing was BAD.  LAME.  I mean there was *no* emotion.  No
heavy breathing.  Nothing.  Especially when he was explaining to Harry
that she was gone.  He had the drama and emotion of a shrub.  Please
don't try to tell me he was overloaded and overwhelmed.  He could have
done a better job than that.

--

michael regoli
mr@cica.indiana.edu
regoli@iubacs.BITNET
..rutgers!iuvax!cica!mr

I can't believe it's over!  I want to know MORE!  Last night's final episode
left me with mixed emotions - I loved it and hated it.  Some scenes I found
incredibly boring - as if they were stalling for time: the banker SLOWLY
shuffling back and forth with Audrey's water....., Cooper running up and down,
up and down, up and down between the red curtains...., too much play on the
contestants of the "Miss Twin Peaks" contest.  Towards the end, I kept jerking
my head back towards the clock to see how many minutes were left, thinking "Oh
my God!  It's almost over!"

Now what?!?  Too much has happened, and I want answers!  I can't wait for a
movie!  (SOB!)

Comments about the last show:

1.  Why does Lynch let Senor Droolcup and the bank teller walk so
s-l-o--w-l-y?  I think Lynch noticed the same thing that Kubrick 
discovered in 2001.  You can control an audience with 
speed.  Fast speed a la Star Wars gets you there, but so does
slow speed. Remember Kubrick's slow, stately space ship to 
Jupitar.  Lynch's version of that slow space ship
are these old, senile men in crucial situations.  Of course,
when it doesn't work, it irritates us.  Senor Droolcup, last September, 
did not work me, but I liked the bank teller.  I was on the floor
laughing.  

2.  Is it just a coincidence that Audrey dies just after we find
out that Donna is another daughter of Ben?  Sounds good to me.
In the forthcoming Twin Peaks movie Donna will get to do neat
stuff that Audrey used to do. She will stop being such a wimp.  
She's been on a roll since James left.  

3.  Why are they calling the Black Lodge/White Lodge Glastonbury?
It's not an Indian name and it's certainly not a Tibetan name.
It's Avalon.  It's where King Authur, the once and future king,
is buried. There really is a Glastonbury Isle and it's the legendary
site of Avalon - just down the road from Camelot.  Funny thing is
that Glastonbury (and the King Authur tale itself) is a 
disguised story about a mythical fight for the soul of a
Celtic people between Christianity and paganism 
(Marion Bradley, The Mists of Avalon).  Not quite
the same thing as good vs evil, but close.  In the King Arthur tale,
Arthur himself chooses neither Christianity nor paganism, he is
neutral.  When he is re-born (hence the title - the once and the future king)
perhaps he will choose one or the other.  (Witches, of course, hope
he will choose paganism.)  Glastonbury, in short, is
paradise, a location for death and rebirth, reincarnation.  
Obviously, Lynch has a bad case of symbol diarrhea, but
it's fun.

4.  Why the twelve trees and twelve rainbow trout?  Why
are the trees Sycamores?  Lynch's dad worked for the Interior
Department (a forest ranger (?)) and once did a thesis on 
Pine Trees (or some such species). I think this is one of 
Lynch's running jokes at his father's
expense to do his own artistic theses about trees.
Notice he wrote the song in the show about Sycamores - `Under 
the Sycamores(?).'   In witchcraft (celtic version) twelve is
a magic number.  Twelve witches usually form a coven and
at ceremonies they stand in a circle of twelve to host the devil
inside.  Twelve trout? Well, wouldn't they be the
antidote?

5.  So, I still don't know what the owls are, if they are not
what they seem.

In article <MUFFY.91Jun11064608@remarque.berkeley.edu>, muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes...
> >In article <1991Jun11.050233.20978@risky.ecs.umass.edu> giovin@medr0.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
> > 
> >   Cooper said that during the Jupiter/Saturn conjunction, Jupiter's
> >   influence is expansive.  Since Jupiter corresponds to "good"-ness
> >   or the White Lodge, then why was the Black Lodge apparently so powerful
> >   in the last episode?
> > 
> >*and* Saturn's is contractive.  The point being that when they are
> >together, anything can happen.  Also, Hawk said you have to go through
> >the Black Lodge to get to the White Lodge, and that few people succeed
> >when confronting their dark side.  It's not that the Black Lodge was
> >more powerful, but that Cooper had to pass that test first.
> > 

agreed. and Cooper failed the test.

I also liked the idea presented by one Netter that the corridor was a 
passage from the Black to the White Lodge.  That somehow, the two rooms 
Coop kept (endlessly) passing between represented the Black and White Lodge
  The idea of good/evil being intertwined fits perfectly with the concept 
of yin/yang.  Good and Evil cannot be seperated, without one, the other 
would not exist. There is Good and Evil is everyone (well..in BoB ???)

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   and that one word is 'to be prepared.'

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> > Someone mentioned that to me this morning (i.e. that the two rooms
> > was white and black lodge).

It wouldn't have been Wubba, on irc, would it???  :-)
If so, guilty as charged.


> > Has anyone sorted out what was in each place (there are 3 rooms right?
> > Waiting room, and two others?)  Perhaps if we break down what was

I think maybe there were just the two rooms, that just kept changing
their inhabitants...  based on who was inside or what they wanted him
to see or something...

Greg


-- All opinions are my own, and not those of my employer. Why? He doesn't know I'm doing this. -Wubba

From article <1991Jun11.050233.20978@risky.ecs.umass.edu>, by giovin@medr0.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo):

> Cooper said that during the Jupiter/Saturn conjunction, Jupiter's
> influence is expansive. Since Jupiter corresponds to "good"-ness
> or the White Lodge, then why was the Black Lodge apparently so powerful
> in the last episode?
>
> Hmmm...
> Rocky Giovinazzo

Okay, I'm taking a swing, so if I'm wrong, duck.

Well, the conjunction shows the joining of the good and the evil into
one entity...... which falls behind a theory I have, so please, no
flames if I'm an idiot.

The white lodge and the black lodge are two faces to the same coin, ie
there's only ONE lodge, but there are obviously two parts. (The floor
I took as the giveaway: white and black mixed, spaced)

The conjunction is one force, but there are obviously two parts.

The midget and the giant: one person, but two obviously separate
faces... He said that himself...

"Watch out for my cousin" might have well have been a fortelling of
what was to come, the doubles... the "dopplegangers", the opposites.

Am I completely wrong in believing this? I thought up a ton of this
shpiel last night after I watched it, but I slept away most of my
realizations...

Which reminds me: Who thinks that 1) Coop's twin as bob got out and
Coop is still trapped inside the lodge, or 2) bob has taken over
Coop's body?

And am I right in assuming that Bob took WE's soul because WE was
going to mess up Bob's plan to take over/replace Coop?

Wow, sooo many questions, and I don't even think I answered yours. :)

Greg
-- 
All opinions are my own, and not those of my employer.
Why? He doesn't know I'm doing this.
-Wubba

Well, I loved the final episode. That was one hell of an ending. 

I saw two flaws in the plot:

1) Coop sure knew alot about the planets, etc. So why didnt he recognize
the symbols for them right off the bat. We did! 

2) Annie is kidnapped from the pagaent,, and a few scenes later we see
Norma happily hanging out with Big Dumb Ed. Dont you think she would be 
a tad worried about her sister? Also Shelly  didnt seem to worried about
her. Dont tell me no one noticed she had disappeared??

Also:

Can we assume that Audrey, Pete and Andrew are dead. How about Ben. 
How sad! Now we will never know how the fish got into the coffee pot.

Laura Floom

At this point, it looks like alt.tv.twin-peaks must pass on.  I suggest 
that perhaps it is time to form alt.arts.david-lynch to follow the key 
creative genius that spawned TP.  

There we could discuss things like Blue Velvet, Eraserhead, Wild at Heart, 
and, of course, the forthcoming TP movie.

Lar Kaufman            I would feel more optimistic about a bright future
(voice) 512-794-9070   for man if he spent less time proving that he can
(fax)   512-794-0623   outwit Nature and more time tasting her sweetness 
lark@tivoli.com        and respecting her seniority.  - E.B. White