Season 2, Episode 07: Lonely Souls — November 10–16, 1990

In article <8732@darkstar.ucsc.edu>, c2h5oh@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Idealistic Bibliomystic) writes:
> > 
> > In article <18272@know.pws.bull.com> suedoe@PWS.BULL.COM (Susan Doe) writes:
>> >>
>> >>hi!  are you folks sick of the theme music to twin peaks yet?
>> >>do you find it necessary to mute the volume during the opening
>> >>credits of the show?  is this subject too boring fory you.???
> > 
> > I am in complete agreement with the person who said they want to
> > have the music to Twin Peaks piped into their head and I'm going
> > to play it at my wedding. So there.
> > 
Marry me.
-- Eric Olson <fsejo@acad3.fai.alaska.edu> Gryphon Gang Fairbanks AK 99775 "Eric Olson doesn't exist." -Patricia O. Tuama, rissa@gargoyle.uchicago.edu

In article <8707@darkstar.ucsc.edu>, horny@ucscl.UCSC.EDU (Michael Kaye) writes...
> > 
> >In article <9011091111.AA00174@t6g.cs.man.ac.uk> faradayp@project4.computer-science.manchester.ac.uk writes:
>> >>We in th UK are only into the 3rd episode of Twin Peaks,and reading that
>> >>ABC in the US is about to show the conclusion episode,wouldn't it be
>> >>thoughtful if any one from the US writing about the solution put this
>> >>fact in the title.
>> >>We here in Manchester think that it is BIG ED (of the GAS FARM) but who
>> >>knows ?? Don't ruin it for us !!!

> >No comment about Big Ed. :)
> >I would be willing to comply with this request if I knew everyone else
> >would, but I know they won't.  If you don't want it spoiled you probably
> >shouldn't read this group.  Someone will spoil it.  You must have been 
> >reading heaps of spoilers already about the show...  Most of the discussion 
> >here is about things that happen after the first 3 shows.  We can't put a 
> >spoiler warning on everything we post.  

There is nothing unreasonable about his request, really.  It is a very simple 
thing to put "spoiler" in the title or to indicate that we are discussing some-
thing as major as the answer to WKLP.  In fact, there are probably U.S. viewers
who will not have seen the 11/10 episode on Saturday, who will have taped it and
would appreciate not having the story spoiled for them.  We go out of our way to
put spoilers on the previews, does it not seem logical to do so for this?

As for your first statement, if we all took that attitude: well I would, but no
one else will...where would we be?  Actually, he didn't specifically mention 
"spoilers".  He asked for us to indicate that we would be discussing the answer
to WKLP in the subject line.  That is what the subject line is there for isn't
it?  So it doesn't seem too terribly difficult to comply with his request to me.


--Michelle

lefty@twg.com ("Lefty") writes:
> > In article <1990Nov2.153859.244@cho006.cho.ge.com> 
> > campbell_d@cho006.cho.ge.com writes:
>> > >   Sorry to wreck your train theory, but I believe that
>> > > Pennsylvania 6-5000 referred to a phone number from the
>> > > days when exchanges had names (e.g. PA6-5000 is 726-5000).
> > 
> > Um, basically correct about it having no relation to trains

Er, I thought we've been through all this.  "Pennsylvania 6-5000" *is*
a phone number, it *is* PE6-5000, and it *does* have to do with
trains.  It used to be the phone number of the front desk of a
famous New York City hotel, across the street from Penn Station.  The
hotel is now called "The Penta," though it wasn't back when the song
"Pennsylvania 6-5000" was written.

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Ben Horne did it.  Here's the scoop.

1.  Ben rests at the center of all the evil networks in
    town:  prostitution, murder, fraud, arson, adultery,
    drugs, etc.  Ben obviously takes great pleasure from
    his many vices.  BOB feeds on pleasure or fear.  

2.  Fire walks with Ben.  In the last episode (11/3)
    he drinks a toast to his office fire and there were
    a number of extreme closeups of Ben lighting his cigar.
    Not to forget the burning of the ledger scene with brother
    Jerry:  "We have to burn something! - Where are those 
    hickory sticks."  Also, Ben was instrumental in having
    the mill burn down.  If we look at the show as (at some level) a
    struggle between wood and fire, then Ben is on the side
    of fire - and therefore evil.  

3.  Our hypothesis is that the Great Northern Hotel is built
    on an ancient and sacred Indian site (we are way out on a
    limb here and we know it).  The hotel's decorations 
    are littered with totem poles, Northwest Indian paintings
    and a statue of an Indian chief in Coop's room.  Also,
    remember in the first season that Ben's mad son wore an
    Indian headdress.  Ben's desk sits in front of an Indian
    painting of an evil looking owl.  

    Originally, the Hotel's construction plus Ben's future plans for 
    the Ghostwood Estate has aroused and continues to arouse 
    an epic struggle among good and evil spirits
    from the Indian world.  Was the Great Northern Hotel built 
    forty years ago?

    The giant and the dwarf are good spirits.
    And BOB is no angel.  In Northwest Indian culture, in fact,
    BOB is the bad spirit (read fire) that threatens the woods, 
    who is called the BOOKWUS (see our previous posting on Northwest 
    Indian culture).  The BOOKWUS in Northwest Indian tradition 
    looks like an evil owl - the one in Ben's office at the Great Northern.
    BTW the BOOKHOUSE boys' main job is to fight the BOOKWUS
    ("There is evil in the woods" sayeth the Judge).  (It is 
    ironic that Anglo culture takes on the name of an Indian
    entity, but transforms its mission from evil to good.)

4.  The struggle among contending spirits, as in Greek Drama,
    has led mere mortals to commit acts that are both good and bad.
    Laura Palmer's murder was but one of these evil acts.
    BOB tried to take over Laura's body and soul, but Laura tried
    to break free.  He decided to kill her using his host from the
    Great Northern, Ben Horne.  

5.  This leaves the most delicious suspect, Leland Palmer, her dad,
    off the hook.  He himself is evil.  He has committed incest 
    with Laura.  He, too, has hosted BOB.  He, too, walks with fire
    (he can flick matches with the best of them).  But, he is ordinary
    evil, not THE evil.  Like other previous hosts - one-armed man,
    Harold Smith, etc., he is a spent force.  Ben Horne remains a
    vital force for evil in Twin Peaks.  

6.  The rest of the season will be dominated by various trials, 
    mainly that of Ben Horne.  This will give Lynch a priceless
    opportunity to put the log lady, Andy, One-Armed Man and
    Major Briggs on the witness stand in that frontier-like 
    courtroom.  Can you imagine some of the arguments - 
    "an evil spirit made me do it!@."

Diarmuid Maguire      Hillard Pouncy

In article <1990Nov8.222427.9922@agate.berkeley.edu>, breault@garnet.berkeley.edu (Kirk Breault) writes:
> > In article <1990Nov6.230913.15159@portia.Stanford.EDU> jill@portia.Stanford.EDU (Jill Sporleder) writes:
>> >>Another fact pointing to Leland is the flashback that shows Sarah
>> >>Palmer having visions of BOB coming down the stairs of her house.
>> >>Leland, possessed by BOB, has walked down those same stairs.
>> >>
> > BZZZT. That's Sarah herself walking down those stairs.

GONG! Now we know! Paper beats rock...
and GONG takes BZZZT.

Congratulations to the sages on Leland, now we'll have to wait for Cooper et al.
to catch up.

In article <17059@shlump.nac.dec.com>, boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
> > In article <9011041732.AA03524@pogo>, dan@AI.MIT.EDU writes...
> > 
> > } This will look kind of silly if it turns out that it ISN'T Catherine
> > } ("completely obvious" eh?).
> > 
> > I've got my crow sitting around waiting to be eaten if it turns out that
> > Mr. T *is* Catherine, but I fully expect that crow to be alive and well
> > and undigested at the turn of the century.

Be sure to post the recipe.

> > "Good thing you guys can't keep a secret."

Me either.
 
> > --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)
> > UUCP:...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian
> > ARPA:boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

Brian Hill  bthill@ac.dal.ca 
Halifax, N.S.

Well, only a few hours more before the great revealation! So let me
make an ass of myself with the following predictions:

1. Leland Palmer killed Laura Palmer. I'm not sure if he was BOB's
host or not.

2. If BOB, the spirit, was the killer, then there is no way that he
could have had more than one host. If he was in the habit of flitting
around from host to host, then there is no point in discussing twin
peaks. If BOB is not the killer, then it is ok for him to go flitting
around from host to host.

3. Laura Palmer was not Leland's daughter.

4. The OAM, or Mike in OAM, is not the killer. 

5. It looks as if BOB is the killer. The program description for next
weeks episode (in the NYT) says that Cooper hunts for BOB with the
help of Mike. So it looks as if BOB is the killer, and Mike is not.

6. I'm going to regret this posting.

Hardeep.
-- ______________ The things I tell you will not be wrong.

The New York Times ran a big piece on David Lynch last
August that no one's mentioned on the net.  It was
mildly interesting.  We've put down the best stuff we
could remember:

1.  Lynch made the movie Eraserhead after living in Philadelphia
    a number of years.  The movie evokes Philadelphia.  After
    driving down I-95 near Philadelphia's airport a number of  
    times, I must say, that Eraserhead really does capture the feel
    of the place.

2.  When asked what was similar between his recent movie,
    Wild at Heart, and his tv show, Twin Peaks, Lynch said,
    laconically, `wood.'  When pressed, he went on about how
    his dad was a forest ranger (or some similar operative of
    the Department of Interior).  And, get this, his dad wrote
    a dissertation on wood - I've forgotten whether it was 
    pinewood, fir or some other wood.  Gee, you think the log 
    lady reminds him of his dad or something?  Nothing to mention
    other wood obsessions in Twin Peaks.  In Wild at Heart Lynch
    burns a lot of wood.  

3.  The rest of the article was about how he was coping with success
    and such.


Diarmuid Maguire        Hillard Pouncy

Okay, here's the premise: Laura Palmer is now a supernautral being, just like
BOB. I support this premise with the following evidence:
1) Laura wanted to become a spirit like BOB
   A) Why else would she have sex with three guys, break off with James, and 
      get screwed up on coke? She knew she was going to kiss off her mortal
      flesh - so to speak. She went out with a party.   
2) BOB was once a real person too.
   A) This would explain why Leland saw him forty years ago. This Robertson
      fellow locked himself into the white house on Pearl Lake, and performed
      what ever ritual was necessary to become this evil spirit.
   B) This explanation would keep TP on the planet Earth; more like 
      "Hellraiser" than Dracula or Plan 9 from Outer Space.
3) Laura's spirit has entered both Maddie and Donna at different times.
   A) Donna and James standing on the gazebo overlooking the pond, and Donna
      says something to the effect of "I feel her, she's out there, wandering
      like a lost spirit." I believe this was the second or third episode.
   B) They curiously superimposed Laura's face over Donna's in one early
      episode.
   C) This would explain Donna's personality changes. And Maddie's flirtation.
This doesn't explain who was BOB's "host" at the time of the murder. Or where
Harold Smith was at the time. Harold probably knew about Laura's little ritual
in the train car, so he showed up and got rid of Laura's body. It's also 
possible that Harold was there with the Secret Diary. The missing pages could 
have contained the ritual rites. Hokus Pokus Allakazam!


                    "How about a nice cold glass of milk?"

NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO!

PLEASE DON'T START THIS *AGAIN*!

Craig requested this over a year ago.  Within a matter of *weeks*,
the goal was made.  Last spring (april, I think) it started up again.  One
netter collected over a half-dozen addresses to send to Craig.  Another
took the effort to calculate the cost to the net for all of this.

Craig does not need any more cards.  His parents have requested
that this stop.  The hospital has requested this stop.  The Make-a-wish
foundation has requested this stop.  Please do NOT spread this any more,
and tell the people you got it from to do the same.

No more good will is being recieved.  Guiness has closed the
get-well-card category to prevent this sort of thing from happening again
in the future.  Craig does not get the cards anymore.  The hospital was
forced to hire extra people just to open all the mail that they recieved.
By sending more cards all you are doing is costing people money.

Please, folks, let's nip this in the bud before all of net gets
swamped with Craig articles again.

David Hollingsworth
starpath@athena.mit.edu

(I think I have the story close enough to show why we shouldn't
start this again, so please don't bother flaming details.)

In article <2890@dali> icsu8297@attila.cs.montana.edu (Wilbanks) writes:

> >   B) They curiously superimposed Laura's face over Donna's in one early
> >      episode.

. . . what!?  When was this?

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "I happen to sweat profusely." -- Ted Kaldis

How silly of me!  I forgot to mention that this posting can only mean one thing:

CRAIG SHERGOLD IS BOB!

(And it was revealed on Nov. 10th, too!)

OBrealWKLPguess:

Leland.  It's just too good to pass up.

David Hollingsworth
starpath@athena.mit.edu
Only 3 hours 'til TP time...must mean 4 'til WKLP

I've received a couple corrections to my corrections.  Thought you might
want to know...

First, my pseudo-accurate quote from Albert:
> >Albert:Mr. Horne, I recognize that your position in this fair community
> >necessitates venality, insincerity, and a certain irritating
> >manner of expressing yourself.  Stupidity, however, is not a
> >                ^^^^^^^^^ (not "superiority")
Jon Drukman (jsd@gaffa.MIT.edu) says:
There are minor inaccuracies here.  I think "necessitates" is "pretty
much guarantees."  "Certain irritating manner" is "rather irritating
manner."

Next, the "Donna Smokes!" sequence.  First, my fuzzy recollection:
> >(The following exchange is approximate:)
> >James:I didn't know you smoked.
> >Donna:Oh, I smoke every now and then.
> >James:Why do you smoke?
> >Donna:To reduce tension.
> >James:Why are you tense?
> >Donna:Because I smoke.

Next, Jon Drukman's correction:
James: Since when have you been so tense?
Donna: Since I started smoking.

However, katie@mica.berkeley.edu (Kate Schwarz) offers a different version:
Donna: I smoke every now and then. It relieves tension.
James: When did you get so tense?
Donna: When I started smoking.


And finally, I came up with one more quote.
Truman: What's going on?
Lucy:[watching TV]  Thanks to Jade, Gerard decided not to kill himself.
And he's changed his will, leaving the Towers to Jade instead of
Emerald.  But Emerald found out about it, and now she's trying to
seduce Chet to give her the new will so that she can destroy it, and
Montana's planning to kill Gerard at midnight so the Towers will
belong to Emerald and Montana but I think she's going to double-cross
him though he doesn't know it.   [pause] Poor Chet!
Truman: What's going on *here*?

If anyone has any more quotes or corrections, let me know.  We wouldn't want
to run the risk of inadvertantly codifying an incorrect quote, now, would
we?  That would be blasphemy!!  :-)

Jespah

bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) writes:

*Hawk spots the One-Armed Man in the hospital, follows him, and loses him
*in episode 1/1.  He reports this to Cooper in the beginning of 1/2. 
*Cooper has his dream at the end of 1/2.
*
*Question:  Why did Hawk follow the One-Armed Man, and why did Cooper
*seem to think that Hawk's discovery of a one-armed man was so revealing?
* By that point in the story, there had been absolutely nothing *a
*propos* a one-armed man.  What, at that point, made Philip Gerard worthy
*of investigation?


I got the impression Hawk was interested because the OAM was
hanging around Ronette's room (at least when Hawk first spotted him), and
more generally, was wandering through weird areas of the hospital (like
the Morgue or the Air Supply Room).  Hawk dutifully reported this to 
Cooper, and though Cooper was sorta interested, I don't think he (Coop)
thought all that much of it at the time.  THEN, Coop had his dream.
After that, he really wanted to find the OAM. 

Jespah

In article <1990Nov6.030307.1621@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:
> >
> >I can't believe nobody here ever saw "Three Men In A Boat".  Tim
> >Curry (Dr Frankenfurter in "Rocky Horror Picture Show"), one of the
> >Monty Python Crew, and someone else whose name escapes me as well.
> >
> >It's just another movie reference, folks.

More of a t.v. reference. That was made for t.v., was it not? It
was certainly never released as a movie in America and it was only
around an hour long. The reference is more likely to be to the book
_Three Men in a Boat_. Though as I think has been pointed out, that's
not what she said, anyway. ;-)
-- c2h5oh@ucscb.ucsc.edu | "She sat very upright...and read to her grand- | mother about a cat who ate a rat and afterwards, | feeling replete, no doubt, sat upon a mat."

Today I participated in a local College Bowl tournament, and
one of the questions was about Kyle M. and his previous films.

Go Coop!

--Jill

You've been warned...

And again....


There's a new letter under the nail...it's an "O."

And yes, Leland is/houses BOB.

Is Maddy dead?

So, is the giant an owl?

What was Senor Drool Cup doing at the Roadhouse?

Well, jayembee, looks like you'll have to eat some bigtime crow.
But how the hell did Catherine get all the appropriate stuff
together.

What exactly was the OAM screaming as he fainted in the Great Northern?
Was it "I'm being attacked?"

Looks like the creamed-corn kid was speaking of Harold - and yes, we
now have the definitive translation of that phrase.

Both the pro- and anti-supernatural people can have their cake and eat it, too.
Is Leland posessed, or is he just your average run-of-the-mill psycho?

How much longer until Leo recovers.....and what's on the microcassette.

Was it me, or did the Giant look rather disappointed at Coop.

Who was writing the "Talk to Ben" note they showed in the
previews?

Who (in the preview) is Coop telling to "go in your room and lock
your door"?  Did he name Audrey?

In that last still in the preview, where was that outside scene?

AAARGH!

Well, ABC and Lynch did keep their promise....

--
Rich Carreiro                                    The "War on Drugs"
ARPA: rlcarr@athena.mit.edu                      is merely a smokescreen for
UUCP: ...!mit-eddie!mit-athena!rlcarr            The War on the Constitution
BITNET: rlcarr@athena.mit.edu      JITTLOV FOREVER!

Lynch clearly has a grip on reality.  YAY!  And for those who DID NOT
think Catherine was Tojimura, a big PHOOOEY :-).

Too bad we STILL don't know what those owls are or whether or not they
aren't what they seem.  By the way, what was the name of the group singing
at the roadhouse?  Could it have been.......The Owls or something similar?
Perhaps they are the secret guardians of truth, and the giant is their
agent:-):-):-)

Besides, I just KNEW it wasn't Andy... :-):-)


Stephanie Wukovitz | SXW103@PSUVM.bitnet  | Clowns are not spears,
(fwend uv fwactel) | SXW103@psuvm.psu.edu | fountains are not scones,
-------------------| steph@math.psu.edu   | nor does kite string hike
------------------------------------------| in a state line...

In article <17059@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) 
    now regrets having written:
> >
> >I've got my crow sitting around waiting to be eaten if it turns out that
> >Mr. T *is* Catherine, but I fully expect that crow to be alive and well
> >and undigested at the turn of the century.

Can you make pictures of the crow-eating available for FTP ?

(Bite the croooooww bayyy-beeee)

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Marc Neuberger                                            mjn@sbcs.sunysb.edu

boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
|I've got my crow sitting around waiting to be eaten if it turns out that
|Mr. T *is* Catherine, but I fully expect that crow to be alive and well
|and undigested at the turn of the century.


oh well, let us know how it tastes.

hmmm, owls and crows don't get along.

-- pjg@acsu.buffalo.edu / rutgers!ub!pjg / pjg@ubvms (Bitnet) opinions found above are mine unless marked otherwise.

Congratulations to all those who picked out Leland as |he culprit.  It was real
funny when they first showed BOB in the mirror.  A couple of people that were watching it started to scream and ran out of`the room.  I had been wondering how Lynch and company would keep the interest up.  Creating a new murder and leaving
everything unsolved was perfect.  And Piper Laurie finally got the credit at the end for her character.  Bravo to TP for the great lie.  Is it just me or does it seem like the best TP shows are when Lynch directs.

Since this show is still going to be interesting, I vote a resounding yes to whther or not there should be TP rec newsgroup.  All of us crowed into the TV room
and there were many who had no idea what was going on, but became addicted.  This leaves me with an incomplete feeling.  I am still not sure that Leland killed
 Laura.  I know that ABC said they would reveal it, but did they actually do this?  They showed that BOB invaded Leland and killed Maddy.  It is still completely possible that BOB invaded someone else.  If they would lie about the identity
of an actor(i.e. Piper Laurie) what make you think that they were truthful about the killer of Laura.  I personally think that Leland killed Laura, but what the excuse for Theresa Banks.

Also how did the information that Mike gave about BOB have in helping them.  They still haven't even found out who killed TLM(Theresa, Laura and Maddy).  It was nice to see Bobb{'s friend, Mike, back in the show.  Leo is ing to break out of his veggie state and kick ass, I can just feel it!  What exactly was the letter that was put underneqth Maddy's nail, an O or D?  I'm satisfied but not
completly certain that the truth was told.  Yet I am still addicted!!

-JHarvey
jh6g+@andrew.cmu.edu

Here's something that forgot to add.  Some had asked what the white horse was about.  After that scene, they show Leland looking at himself in the mirror. On the table in the room was a small model of a white horse.  I'm not completely surewhy she see it though.  Lynch and Frost are fucking brilliant!!

-JHarvey

Now how are they going to keep up from mauling them?  I mean, do they
expect us to wait a full _week_ for the next episode?  

Now for the real question... did Coop get his ring back?  From a quick
second look, it seems that his hand is obscured by his glass/beverage.

Personal favorite quote:
<spit> NewShoes...
--Leo

And now we should all know just what it's like to get our collective
face rammed into a wall...

I remain,

-- ___________________________________________________________________________ "Diane, I'm holding in my hand a small box of | If you can't reach me by chocolate bunnies." -- Dale Cooper | this method, give up. My life isn't worth the paper it's printed on. | js9g@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu

well i was satisfied.  nasty bit of work with that exacto knife hey.

i presume this means bob as leland killed laura.  of course we seem to
have a number of other things to worry about.  like is jayembee going
to buy another crow. 

question of the week:  is maddy going to die at the hands of bob/leland?
(gaaaah, i keep waiting for someone to come to the rescue.)

-- pjg@acsu.buffalo.edu / rutgers!ub!pjg / pjg@ubvms (Bitnet) opinions found above are mine unless marked otherwise.

I never believed the leland==BOB rumours here until I read the diary,
then it all made sense.

But what about this...I believe that the last page of the diary says
"I know who BOB is...I'm going to tell everyone" (or something like
that...lent it to a friend so I can't look it up right now), but
tonight Cooper reads "I know who Ben Horne is...I'm going to tell
everyone."  What the heck?  Was this a trick that BOB was playing,
by changing the words?  

Yow, what an episode.

So what does Catherine have to gain by this set-up of Ben (for what)?

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Summary: This episode was kinda sad and disturbing.

In article <1990Nov11.040739.28495@athena.mit.edu> rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (Richard L. Carreiro) writes:
> >Is Maddy dead?

I hope not, but I think she is.  In the preview there was something
like "Is she alright?".  Was that referring to Mrs. Palmer or was it
referring to Maddy?

> >What was Senor Drool Cup doing at the Roadhouse?

The log lady said something like: there are a lot of owls in the
Roadhouse .. perhaps he is one of them? (The giant might be one
too...) One of the many owls in Twin-Peaks.  He has heard from the
other owls of Cooper's accomplishments, thus the "I've heard about
you" comments during the second season premier?

> >Both the pro- and anti-supernatural people can have their cake and eat it, too
> >Is Leland posessed, or is he just your average run-of-the-mill psycho?

I think he is possessed and not just your avg run-of-the-mill psycho.
We see BOB in the mirror as Leland looks into it.  We see BOB
kissing/licking Maddy as Leland holds on to her and DOESN'T do what we
are shown BOB to be doing.  I think this is correct (i.e. I don't
think I misinterpreted what happened), but I'm sure people will flame
me if I'm wrong.

> >Was it me, or did the Giant look rather disappointed at Coop.

I think so too, but I don't think that it was the only reason.  I
think the Giant also saddened that BOB had taken another victim.  And
so were most people in the Roadhouse, especially Donna, Bobby, and
"Senor Droop Cup".

Cooper didn't look at his hand until after Maddy was "killed".  After
he does, the Giant disappears.  Any ideas why or was this just a
coincidence? (BTW - did he find his ring back or was he just
checking?)

> >How much longer until Leo recovers.....and what's on the microcassette.
> >Who was writing the "Talk to Ben" note they showed in the
> >previews?

I think it was from Bobby.  Perhaps something to do with what he found
on the microcassette.  It may have contained the conversations between
Leo and Ben concerning the mill arson job?!?

FAR OUT THEORY: I think leo may have been trying to get back at Ben
for hiring Hank to kill him.  That was the most important thing he
wanted to do .. so that's what drives him to say new shoes, even in
his state... ?!?!?  Ok .. ok .. not that great a theory.

> >Who (in the preview) is Coop telling to "go in your room and lock
> >your door"?  Did he name Audrey?

Who else would he tell this to besides Audrey?

> >AAARGH!

My thoughts exactly.

> >Well, ABC and Lynch did keep their promise....

Yep.

And BOB did kill again as he promised .. Mike (Bobby's friend) also
showed up again ... finally.

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pastino@sjuphil.uucp (S. Pastino) writes:

> > Dear Twin Peaks Fans,
> >    Just out of curiosity, what is the fascination you find with this
> > series? I recently wrote an article in the University paper taking a
> > few playful jabs at the people who watch it and suggested that they
> > get real lives. The result has been an emotional outpouring from people
> > staunchly defending the series. What do you think of this?
> >                                                Sincerely, SVP


Very simple answer: It's weird, and we're weird people. :)
Secondary reasons: The acting. The plot(???). The fact that it is 
confusing enough to make us want to watch the next episode, in hopes that 
the previous one will be explained.

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> > From: amanda@wam.umd.edu (Amanda Lynn Babcock)
> > 
> > Was that a ghost horse? What was it doing there? What does it have to do with
> > BOB?

The ghost horse was a spirit guide to take Sarah to the afterlife.

> > Why did MIKE react that way to Ben?

Because Bob was possessing Horne at the time, not Leland. Here's how I think
next week's show starts: they type Ben, and he's AB-. Case closed. Then
Leland calls to report that Sarah and Maddy are dead, and when they find
the letter under Maddy's nail, all hell breaks loose.

> > Did Leland murder Jacques because BOB didn't want a witness? Does this mean 
> > Leland was one of the three men?

No, Leland killed Jacques on his own inititive. The M.O. of the attack
by Leland on Jacques and the M.O. of the attack in the hospital on 
Ronette by Bob differ too much. I think Bob did have Ben tell Hank to
shoot Leo, though. We'll know when we hear Leo's tape.

> > What was wrong with Sara? Did she sense BOB's presence? Had Leland hurt her?

She's dead, Jim.

> > Will Ben sign the proposal when he gets out? How will Maddy's- well, death, one
> > supposes- affect James & Donna's getting back together?

Maddy and Laura's identical twin second cousin three times removed will
show up for Sarah and Maddy's funeral, with wacky results.

Karl

In article <2240@ac.dal.ca>, bthill@ac.dal.ca writes:
> > In article <1990Nov8.222427.9922@agate.berkeley.edu>, breault@garnet.berkeley.edu (Kirk Breault) writes:
>> > > In article <1990Nov6.230913.15159@portia.Stanford.EDU> jill@portia.Stanford.EDU (Jill Sporleder) writes:
> > GONG! Now we know! Paper beats rock...
> > and GONG takes BZZZT.
> > Congratulations to the sages on Leland, now we'll have to wait for Cooper et al.
> > to catch up.

Au contraire mon frere!  Leland did not kill Laura Palmer.  Remember 
that all important quote that goes something like "Without chemicals
he points"?  I thought you would:-)  Ben Horne walked in right before
they cut away. Althoug I have not taped the show, I would almost bet
that MIKE pointed to Ben.

-Ben (Banik)

The question that remains after the 11/10 episode is, was BOB in Leland's body
when he killed Laura?  That would put Leland in the unique position of being
his daughter's killer and also her would-be avenger.  I think it's possible
that BOB only recently posessed Leland -- perhaps when his old host was killed
(Jacques), he was forced to take Leland.  That would explain Leland's hair color
change, but would leave the Log Lady's description of three men in the woods
that night a mystery.  Another possibility is that BOB was inhabiting Ben
Horne's body until Mike came to the Great Northern, but then fled to Leland's
body.

What I want to know is, who are the owls in the roadhouse?  Bobby and Donna? 
They were the only ones to cry when Maddy was attacked (killed?).  The Giant?
We still don't know who he is, or who he represents.  There simply wasn't any
evil presence there.  Does "The owls are not what they seem" mean in fact that
the owls are not evil as most people have assumed?  OK, an owl was superimposed
on BOB's face, but BOB wasn't at the roadhouse.  Margaret seems to have led
Coop and Truman astray, so perhaps the Giant was warning Coop against picking
up her distrust of Owls -- if he hadn't been after owls, he wouldn't have been
in the Roadhouse when Maddy was attacked.

That attack scene was incredible -- the suspense went on for ages.  It gave an
incredible sense of the brutality of the attack, too.  This was my favorite
episode of the new season.

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Okay, okay, so this was going to be the LAST WEEK EVER that I watched
the evil Twin Peaks.  Unfortunately, the Lynch mob left too much unsolved
and I may be stuck in front of my rotten TV for a few more weeks.

To wit:

-  Why did Donna say "Funny, she didn't mention anything to me" or some-
   thing like that when James mentioned that Maddy was leaving?  (Yeah,
   she's dead, but the comment remains.)
-  When will Lucy be found, and by whom?
-  So Leland did it, and Ben Horne is in the clink.  >sigh<
-  Did the Giant-looking waiter do anything other than give condolences
   to Coop?


--
        ... Michael Ho, University of Nebraska
Internet: ho@hoss.unl.edu | "Mine... is the last voice that you will ever hear."

In article <8765@darkstar.ucsc.edu> c2h5oh@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Idealistic Bibliomystic) writes:

> >In article <1990Nov6.030307.1621@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:
>> >>I can't believe nobody here ever saw "Three Men In A Boat".  Tim

> >More of a t.v. reference. That was made for t.v., was it not? It
> >was certainly never released as a movie in America and it was only
> >around an hour long.

Hm?  A TV movie?  The version I saw (in America) was a theatrical
movie, about two hours long and not, I think, an American production.
I think you and Steve are comparing apples and orangutangs here.  Are
there two productions called "Three Men in a Boat"?

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "I happen to sweat profusely." -- Ted Kaldis

Just some random thoughts about 11/10:

Why were all those saliors in the great northern???

I think it might be to symbolize to the audience that Coop's on the
wrong track, none of the characters seemed to comment on this.

Tojumuro was Catherine...no real suprise there.  Though at first I
thought BOB was going to off Pete!

Leo's talking, what was the tape in the shoe anyway? The lead to the next plot?

I love the way that Leland was exposed, I was with a group of people and
the whole room started to scream when the camera panned to the mirror!

Still some unanswered questions though:

What's going on with Lucy?

Who shot Cooper?

Will Josie come back?

Will Cooper fall for Audrey?



Rob "Physics major even if it kills me" Knapp

In article <1990Nov11.040739.28495@athena.mit.edu> rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (Richard L. Carreiro) writes:

> >You've been warned...

> >And again....


> >There's a new letter under the nail...it's an "O."

It looked like a "D" on our TV.

> >What was Senor Drool Cup doing at the Roadhouse?

He's the mundane counterpart of the giant (or (my brother's
suggestion) the giant's future self, explaining how he knew to say
"I'm so sorry" to Coop--he remembered this night).

> >What exactly was the OAM screaming as he fainted in the Great Northern?
> >Was it "I'm being attacked?"

I dunno, but I think it was in French.  :)

> >How much longer until Leo recovers.....and what's on the microcassette.

Leo recorded his conversations with Ben.

> >Was it me, or did the Giant look rather disappointed at Coop.

Why would the giant be disappointed in you?

> >Who was writing the "Talk to Ben" note they showed in the
> >previews?

Bobby.

> >Who (in the preview) is Coop telling to "go in your room and lock
> >your door"?  

Audrey.

> >Did he name Audrey?

Yes.

> >In that last still in the preview, where was that outside scene?

The mill.

And: now we know what the shape was Maddy saw on the carpet: Sarah.



-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "I happen to sweat profusely." -- Ted Kaldis

In article <1990Nov11.040739.28495@athena.mit.edu>, rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (Richard L. Carreiro) writes:
> > So, is the giant an owl?
> > What was Senor Drool Cup doing at the Roadhouse?

Geez Rich - for someone so invested in this show you sure are simple. Seemed
pretty clear that his majesty Dave was playing out the the old man as a host to
the giant...... but maybe it will turn out to be some slick new idea like
witches or leprechauns....

> > What exactly was the OAM screaming as he fainted in the Great Northern?
> > Was it "I'm being attacked?"

NO - I think it was " My career has been hacked..." in reference to the
odds that he'll ever get a serious job again....

> >Both the pro- and anti-supernatural people can have their cake and eat it, too.
> > Is Leland posessed, or is he just your average run-of-the-mill psycho?

Yeah - great, everyone loses as the show takes the easy way out... I'm
impressed...


gln

Maybe nobody will realize that maddy was murdered(if she's
actually dead), since
she is supposed to be leaving tp anyway.  One thing that
seemed very striking in this episode -- so many shots
had the people way in the background with some plants or
something in the foreground (like the opening scene with
Cooper and the other cops drinking coffee, or the palmer's 
living room, etc)  Especially in the palmer's living room,
when maddy was saying she wanted to leave,
it seemed like the composition and camera movement
was supposed to indicate bob's presence.

Did the log lady intentionally lead Coop and Truman to the Roadhouse?
What was her role?
 She said something like "The owls are at the Roadhouse"
Could this be what the giant was talking about "The owls are not what they
seem" meaning the owls are not at the Roadhouse?

In article <JYM.90Nov7122641@remarque.berkeley.edu> jym@mica.berkeley.edu writes:
> >.-.
> >|H|ey, did anyone notice that Gordon Cole looks like a grown-up
> >`-' version of the little magician kid?  I'm sure this must mean
> >    something tremendously significant!

You know, it was only funny the first forty or fifty times.


-- c2h5oh@ucscb.ucsc.edu | "She sat very upright...and read to her grand- | mother about a cat who ate a rat and afterwards, | feeling replete, no doubt, sat upon a mat."

I won't waste a lot of bandwidth making comments that are probably
going to be made a thousand times over. I'd just like to say...

WAY TO GO, ALT.TV.TWIN-PEAKS!

I'd say that the grand majority of us believed that either BOB,
Leland, or Ben Horne killed Laura Palmer. We were all "right"!

Okay, so Ben Horne isn't guilty. He's far from innocent, as evidenced
by his reaction, and it fooled Cooper.

Also: I sat back and laughed at all the idiots who were stupid enough
to believe that Mr. Tojimura was (ha ha ha) Catherine Martell. That
had to be the most ridiculous theory I've ever heard in my life! But,
boy, am I eating crow now. I feel like the stupid one for being fooled
by the disguise.

So, come on group! Let's give ourselves a collective pat on the back.
(stretch, ugh) There.

I guess I can't resist a few comments:

-- I feel sorry for all the people who got "fed up" and quit. This
episode brought back all the emotions of the pilot, IMHO.

-- Is Josie coming back, you ask? Is that $5 million "cashier's check"
she holds onto a forgery, I ask back?

-- I got the feeling Maddie could see Leland as BOB.

-- I also feel that Lynch and Frost did an admirable job of "walking
the line" between fantasy and reality. Yes, BOB, the supernatual
entity, killed Laura, but so did Leland, the unsettled human being.
This, like so much in Twin Peaks, can be taken both ways.

-- Do you think that Jennifer Lynch was right that a careful reading
of the Secret Diary would reveal the killer? I finished the Diary with
the conviction that Leland had abused Laura, but beyond that...

-- I still wanna know BOB's motive, both for Laura's murder and those
of Sarah and Maddie.

---------- Ryan Mathews
-- Internet : mathews@cs.buffalo.edu Bitnet : mathews@sunybcs UUCP :{apple,cornell,decwrl,harvard,rutgers,talcott,ucbvax,uunet}! cs.buffalo.edu!mathews

   Congratulations to the sages on Leland, now we'll have to wait for Cooper et al.
   to catch up.

Thank you.... :->

For a moment there my wife thought she was right when they arrested Ben.

How about the end where the old man from the Great Northern comes up to
Coop and says:  "I'm sorry" and with Cooper fading in last scene.  What do
you think? That he know that Cooper missed the mark?

-randy 
-- Randy Welch Mail to : ...!ncar!scicom!bldr!randy or rwelch@du.edu Boulder, CO VOICE : 303-442-6717 "Unfortunately, life contains an unavoidable element of unpredictability" -David Lynch "The Angriest Dog in the World"

In article <1990Nov11.040739.28495@athena.mit.edu> rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (Richard L. Carreiro) writes:
> >
> >You've been warned...

> >Was it me, or did the Giant look rather disappointed at Coop.

I absolutely agree! What's more, Cooper seemed to recognize it. Very
subtle acting. 

While were on this subject, was Cooper the only one not "frozen in
time", or was the Log Lady moving as well?

---------- Ryan Mathews


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From the 11/10 episode, here are a few quotes I thought were
fantastic:

Nadine Hurley: "Eddie, I could just kiss ... you ... to ... death."

Ben Horne: "I'm gonna go out for a sandwich."

Please, no flames if I didn't get these down verbatim (but I think I
did).

It's official.  Leland killed his daughter, Laura Palmer.  Or, to be more
precise, BOB, while possessing Leland, killed Laura.

I don't know about you, but I'd like to see the "Andy-did-it" people
explain *this* away...:) :)

Gary W. Olson     (34EPWQL@CMUVM.BITNET)    Central Michigan University
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Homer:"Mary Bailey isn't going to fire me if I don't vote for her.  I'm
        for Marty Burns!"
Lisa:"Ooh, a political discussion at our table! I feel like a Kennedy."

rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (Richard L. Carreiro) writes:

> >There's a new letter under the nail...it's an "O."

Let's see.  We've got 4 letters -- R, O, B, and T.  So who are the
two other lucky girls to get the last two letters?  Or will BOB get
a chance to stalk two more?

> >And yes, Leland is/houses BOB.

I have to admit I'm a little surprised.  Leland was sort of the obvious
pick.  But then again, there are still a lot of dangling ends.  When
was Leland possessed?  As a child?  Why did Leland/BOB want to kill
Maddy?  Where does Sarah fit into all of this?

> >Is Maddy dead?

I certainly hope not.  I've gotten quite used to having Sheryl Lee
appear in the series, and would hate to see her only in picture
frames.

> >So, is the giant an owl?
> >What was Senor Drool Cup doing at the Roadhouse?

Yes, I believe the giant, BOB and the dwarf are all owls.  What it means
to be an "owl" is still a mystery.  I've got a spooky feeling that
Droolcup is "host" to the giant.

> >But how the hell did Catherine get all the appropriate stuff
> >together.

I'm sure we'll find out, but the scene where Tojimura kisses/suffocates
the unsuspecting Pete Martell was hilarious!

> >Was it me, or did the Giant look rather disappointed at Coop.

I think he was disappointed by the fact that BOB was killing again.

> >Who was writing the "Talk to Ben" note they showed in the
> >previews?

Unsure, but in the voice-over during that scene, Bobby Briggs was
talking about "going into business."

> >Who (in the preview) is Coop telling to "go in your room and lock
> >your door"?  Did he name Audrey?

Yes, he was speaking to Audrey.  He mentioned her name.

Observations and questions:

I believe that Maddy, after being brutalized and bloodied by BOB,
ended up on the rug where she had earlier had that terrible vision.
Her vision of the streak across the rug was probably blood -- her
own.

I was afraid this episode would be a downer.  Au Contraire!  There seem
to be even more mysteries to solve now!

Does Ben Horne know anything about BOB?  Why did the OAM point when
Ben Horne entered the interrogation lobby?

Did Cooper have his ring back on?

What did the horse that Sarah Palmer saw represent?  Could it have been
the pony that Laura had mentioned in her secret diary?  Also, why was
Sarah Palmer meandering down the stairs on her stomach?

Why did Bobby and Donna both look so distraught after Maddy was
bashed up by BOB?

Is Julee Cruise an owl?  :-P  When do we get a Twin Peaks Soundtrack
Part II?  I want those two Julee Cruise songs.

In article <3920@expert.cc.purdue.edu> banikb@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Benjamin Banik) writes:
> >Although I found episode 11/10 to be very satisfying, can we really
> >tell who killed Laura Palmer?

No, but if it wasn't Leland, Bob Iger and the ABC publicity folks will
have a lot of explaining to do.  They said we'd know who the killer was.
I don't think there's sufficient evidence to point to Ben.  

   * We saw Leland as BOB.        * OAM fell down when Ben walked in

Which is more concrete to the average reader of _TV Guide_?

> >I say Maddie is not dead!

We'll see.  Personally, I think this will be the first "good" character
that gets killed off.  She didn't have an excuse to stay in town, and
the killing off of a "good" character every once in a while is neccessary
to keep tension up.

> >Why was almost every "important" character at the roadhouse?  

Maybe because it was written by Mark Frost.  Remember the season
finale last year?

-Sho
--
xxx <<-- probably my favorite episode this season.

Plus, I think the Kreamed Korn Kid killed Smith.

And aren't you just really worried about Big Ed?  I think Nadine is
really going to "kiss him to death!"

Plus Bobby is embezzling from poor little Shelley.  "Late for economics!"
I'm so sure!

--  maggie

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rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (Richard L. Carreiro) writes:


> >You've been warned...
> >
> >And again....
> >
> >

I know everyone else will post, but we have some ideas....

> >
> >Was it me, or did the Giant look rather disappointed at Coop.

Or not disappointed, but sorry he couldnt say more and prevent BOB
from killing again.
> >
> >Who was writing the "Talk to Ben" note they showed in the
> >previews?

It was Bobby writing on Leo's legal pad.  He saw Hank meeting Ben
at the Great Northern and wants to know what's going on.  Maybe
he heard something on the tape?
> >
> >Who (in the preview) is Coop telling to "go in your room and lock
> >your door"?  Did he name Audrey?

Cooper:Audrey, I want you to go to your room and lock the door.
Audrey:Why?
Cooper:No questions.  Do what I say.

Plus it sounds like they're together, not over the phone.
> >
> >In that last still in the preview, where was that outside scene?

Our best idea is that it's some isolated place where they've found
Maddie's body -- you know -- wrapped in plastic!  You can see a stretcher
in that scene.  Also dead and missing (or not dead, like Hank)
are:  Emory, Blackie, OEJ guard....
> >
Now:Why is a mannequin holding a flash light in the preview?  We
think it's Emory's office.

Why does Ben lose control when the cops come?  I think he's
ashamed of having Audrey see him at OEJ's.

My theory:  Cooper's gotten so emotionally involved with Audrey that
he immediately goes for Ben.  And he tells Audrey to go into her room 
when he finds out about Maddie?

Also, Sarah is still breathing at the end of that horrible BOB/Leland
thing, but Maddie isn't.

I sure hope my mom wasn't watching this episode!  Yeesh!

--  maggie

P.S.  I've never heard the word "Montana" said quite that way....

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Ciao-

Now, how come Bobby and Donna seemed to be affected, and seemed
so dipressed at the end. Was Donna intuned to Maddie's attack,
or was she saddened because of Harold. How come of all the people
was Bobby affected emotionally. He seemed truly saddened by something,
as if he to sensed Maddie's attack. Bobby has to be the most intriguing
character: one moment he seems honestly sensitive, and the next he
is a complete bastard. At Laura's funeral I felt that his little
speech was truly from the heart, then he acted like a jerk; I believe
that he truly was affected by his father's speech, but then he
seemed to care more about the money from leo's insurance than
Shelley; last week and tonight he was a complete dick with Shelley,
but then he seemed to be more perceptive than sweet James, who
did not appear to be affected. Bobby seems to be the proverbial
sinner, who down deep is quite sensitive, constantly moving back
and forth between the evil and the good. Almost a Dostoevskian figure.

Well--So we see Mike, Bobby's friend. But when will the dwarf return?



====================================================================
#Life doesn't end--it just falls        # Sally A. Wilson   #
#asleep at the switch.        # Just another Peak-Geak   #
#Kevin Roddy, Medieval Studies UC Davis # sally@mica.berkeley.edu  #

his agents had checked out Tojimura in
Tokyo. Since Jerry is supposedly the one
doing this checking, does this mean he's
deliberately giving false information to
his brother?

...can Lynch/Frost make a meaningful story that hangs together out of
all of these pieces?


Here's a few things we know:


(1)  TP is filled with (secrets? ;)  spirit beings which
     sometimes inhabit/interact with the townspeople.

(2)  TP has more than a normal proportion of "sensitives"
     or psychics.

(3)  The military is conducting secret research in/around
     TP involving monitoring radio transmissions.

(4)  The spirit beings seem to be divided between benign
     creatures and BOB/The Evil in the Woods (one and
     the same?)

(5)  The spirits can possess a host against its wishes;
     this can be prevented by application of a drug
     which is also used to treat MPD (multiple
     personality disorder).

(6)  Ronette was visited in the hospital and subjected
     to (presumably interrupted) ritual behavior ---
     hence the letter.

(7)  At or around the time #6 was occurring, someone
     administered the aforementioned drug --- to keep
     another spirit from inhabiting Ronette?

(8)  The benign spirits seem unable to intervene in
     the events occurring in the town on a physical
     level or even through their hosts --- hence
     Cooper's dreams and visitations.

(9)  The evil spirits, on the other hand, use their
     hosts to interact with the townspeople on a
     physical level.  Is their some ettiquette
     involved here, or are the benign and evil spirits
     somehow fundamentally different?

     Actually, #8 may not be true.  "Mike" is a
     benign spirit (presumably).  He is attempting
     to "stop" BOB, presumably in a physical sense.

     How does Mike relate to the "owls"?  What are
     his motivations and alignment? 


A few things we need to know:


(1)  Where did the radio transmissions (the Major's
     message) come from, and why?

(2)  Why is TP such a spiritually active place?
     What's going on in the spirit world around
     TP?

(3)  What's the military's role in all of this?
     Do they know "what's up" in/around TP?
     Who else knows?

(4)  How does Teresa Banks fit into this?  What's
     the significance of BOB's ritual?

(5)  How do BOB's activities relate to the overall
     (supposed) conflict in the spirit world around
     TP?

(6)  Are the spirits "bound" in some way to their
     hosts, or can they alternate hosts?  Are we
     to assume that the body BOB used in Laura's
     murder was <SPOILER>, or could he have used 
     some other host?

(7)  What role do the "owls" play in all of this?

(8)  What was happening to Sarah during the "attack"
     in tonight's (11/10) episode, and what was the
     burning smell?  Did Donna/Bobby know what had
     happened in some way?  Why and how?  Are they
     "owls"?

        (9)  Are we to assume that Coop misinterpreted the
     Giant's "without chemicals he points" clue and
     if so, what *did* it mean?  How does the "wooden
     house/many rooms clue fit?"  What's the meaning
     of "nearly forty years"?  How do Philip Gerard's
     seizures relate to his being a host/the process
     of inhabitation/possession?



All in all, just like Twin Peaks --- give us an answer that's not
quite an answer and raises a host of other questions...  I'm even more
hooked now than ever before...





Just 152.5 hours to go 'til our next fix! ;)   Next time.....





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Spoilers


A couple of things confusing me....

1) what was the deal with Sarah Palmer?  Did Leland beat her up and she came
down after him?  Or was he in bed and then got up, and she wanted to know what
the hell was happening?  I'm sure she didn;t go through all that just to turn
off the phonograph. :-)

2) why do so many people think Sarah is dead/near death?  She seems unharmed
(for now, anyways).  I thought she passed out from the effort of crawling
down the stairs and generic psychic trauma.  And I think Maddy'll turn up
dead, but I'm not sure why, unless Leland finishes her.  Granted I've never
been beaten up by a possessed man, but none of what he did to her
struck me as fatal, though granted she might bleed to death (also, if he
cracked one of her ribs while punching her, that could do some serious
internal damage).

3) Is the smell that Maddy mentions a manifestation of BOB, or is something
really burning?

4) when Leland was "dancing" with Maddy and crying, was it BOB or Leland 
doing that?

5) devil's advocate - all the episode really told us is that BOB killed
Laura (and that's by inference) and that Leland/BOB tried
(succeeded?) to kill Maddy.  Did Leland (or his body, anyways) kill
Laura?  Did he kill Theresa Banks?  Why didn't BOB kill Ronette in
the hospital when he stuck the letter under her nail?

6) There's one shot of Maddy screaming, with blood in her mouth that
brought to mind the shot of Laura screaming from the 2nd season opener.
Neat job.

7) Is Leland oblivious to BOB?  BOB certainly seems to be able to
know what Leland is doing ("Leland says you're going back to Missoula,
MONTANA!" <CRASH>).

Ah, well - don't go crazy analyzing these - I'm just curious as to what
people thing and how their ideas match up to mine...

Those above aren't so much "ack!  I have to know!" questions as they are
"what are my fellow netters thinking."  I don't view TP as something
to analyze frame-by-frame, nor to discuss cinemetography and other
esoteric points.  I like TP mainly because (moreso than most current shows)
it gives the viewers something to talk about afterwards.  Whether the
talk is insightful or banal is somewhat irrelevant - it's something to
talk about.  That it's usually interesting is an added plus.

Other stuff...
They almost had me thinking Ben did it, especially when he took so long
to answer Audrey's question.

Was the Log Lady in on Coop's vision, or did time stop for her, too?

It'll be interesting to see what they do with Ray Wise (Leland).  I can't
see how they can keep him in the show.  Granted, they could have Coop 
taking the rest of the season to realize about Leland, but I hope that
doesn't happen, as it'd be a real piss-off.  I figure they'll just have
to write Leland out (and killing off Sarah and Maddy would indeed be
a good way of disposing with the entire Palmer family (in the Twin Peaks
area, anyways) in one fell swoop).

Poor Big Ed - "kiss you to death" indeed.  I still think Nadine will
figure into one of the BOB or Hank plots, eventually.

And what of the Log Lady's husband......

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Okay - now that the facts are a bit clearer (or muddier if you wish)
I want to cover one thing.
Mike indicated that two types of folks could see Bob - the gifted and
the dammed.  I dont know WHY I didnt think of this last week :-(, but
lets look at who has seen Bob and analyze that statement:

Sarah is the first one that we the viewers know who sees Bob in a vision.
Cooper is the next one - who sees Bob in a dream.
Next, Lynch has the diary published, and we find out that Laura has
seen Bob (I think - I havent read it).
Maddie sees Bob in a vision.
Ronnette is questioned and indicates that she recognizes Bob.
Leland indicates that when he was young he knew Bob.
Phillip Gerard (and also Mike) indicates they know Bob from his
true face.

I think that we should consider the folks seeing Bob in a dream or
vision as gifted.  From the description of what Laura and Ronnette
have gone thru, I consider them in the dammed category.  Phillip
also fits into that category.

So only Leland is left - and as of tonite, we know that he also fits
into the dammed category.
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I am sorry, but I do not see ANY reason what americans being
geographically illerate has to do with a whole BOATLOAD of us
getting mixed up about a character being shot in one of two towns
in the state of PA.

I am probably the MAIN reason most folks get it wrong - I posted quite
early a msg talking about the  first episode that the teaser about
Cooper being wounded  was in.  I mis-remembered the city.  I know where
pittsburg is - I lived an hour or so away from it for 20 yrs.

Lets not blame the educational system for everything these days.
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Well, it has been several hours since the grand unveiling.  After TP I
went and saw Rocky Horror--probably not a good idea.  The juxtaposition
was enough for a rather moderate mindf.  However, despite all of the
'obvious' answers, I want to mention some points of concern, and offer a few
quick guesses:

1)A great number of clues point (as well as the OAM) to Ben as the killer,
but Leland is shown to be the host to BOB at the end.  When Leland is in the
bathroom, just before he smiles (and everyone runs :-), is BOB jumping from Ben
to Leland (popular opinion among my friends), or merely taking control of
Leland again?  (My personal choice)

2)Now that Catherine is for real, what about her companion?  Is Jerry's
letter real?  What about the check?  And, of course, how did she get all of
this prepared so quickly.  It wasn't until the 5th or 6th episode in the
first season that she finds out about Ben screwing her over, and even if she
started planning this then, it was rather convenient that she could go away
for a little while without causing Ben worry.

3)What are the owls?  The giant could be an owl, but plural?  Senor Drool
Cup, as someone suggested, makes a great host for the giant, but perhaps he's
just another owl...   My personal choice is that Julie Cruse is the giant's
host.  BTW, the log lady was definitely animate when the giant appeared, but
the log didn't scream at her, and I think the log doesn't like owls.  There
is a great number of military personnel in this episode.  It's rather cheesy,
but my current guess is that the military is the owls.  Remember, Major
Briggs was the one to deliver the space message.  Oh, and I kept waiting for
Senor Drool Cup to give Coop his ring back.  *sigh*

4)Is Leo devious enough to manipulate Bobby?  Nahh...probably just a few
latent brain cells acting up.  Funny, though-- "New shoes."  I think Leo was
'trying' (sort of) to indicate the boots with the coke in it, and that the
tape (taken out of old shoes, you will note) was found there simply because
Leo never thought of any place to hide things besides in shoes.

5)It wasn't clear to me that Maddie was dead, but I guess BOB is much
more familiar with such things.  It just doesn't match well for me:  "Let's
see, last time I killed via blood loss from multiple stab wounds...this time
I'll just bash her head against the wall!"  I suppose that Leland could still
do things to ensure her death, but want to tag her with the "O" right away.
And Leland apparently has an X-ACTO knife and the letter "O" prepared already.
Is there a noticible spot for time to lapse for Leland to get such things
after killing Maddie?  Someone pointed out this still means that BOB still had
quite a few hours to get from Ben to Leland.

6)We never saw Harold's face.  No one who was there when the body was
recovered had ever seen Harold's face before.  On the other hand, who else was
unfamiliar enough to have died and not be recognized?  I loved that bit though
with two shots of the hanging body, switch to a scene with "what a wonderful
world" (or whatever the title is) playing on the record player, then back to
Harold's place.  The skipping record all through the end kept reminding me of
that.

7)Did Leland/BOB get Mrs. Palmer, or was she just getting so much
visionary stuff that she was physically affected?  I kept wanting to yell at
both her and Maddie, "C'mon 'gifted,' use your power to fight the 'damned'",
when I realized that perhaps BOB is the gifted (he has power), and they are
the damned.  (No real power, but certainly affected negatively by all this!)

8)Randomness: Why is Mike back?  Where is Hank?  Didn'tja just feel
sorry for Big Ed?  Why was Nadine staring at her bloody hand--not at all what
I would expect out of her as a schoolgirl.  What about Josie?  Jean?  And, of
course, who will we see first: Diane, or Wyndham Earle?

That's it for now...
David Hollingsworth
starpath@athena.mit.edu

Has anyone noticed the real life actor who plays the character Audrey on the
front cover of this month's PLAYBOY magazine?  The store was closing when I was
there so I didn't have time to pick it off the rack and leaf through it to find
out if she actually poses nude.  Does she?

I also saw the same actor posing with Billy Idol on the front cover of another
magazine.  I forget the name of it, I think it began with "In" something...  So
what's that all about?


In Re: to 11/10 episode...

Why was Donna and the Biker Guy crying?  I guess Donna might have been crying
because of Harold's (the Flower Boy) death, but what about the Biker Guy?  That
made it look suspicious, like they knew that Maddie was being attacked by BOB.
Or was the biker guy just going along with Donna's crying about Harold?

Questions and more questions...too many questions....everyone has questsion...
that's how David Lynch is going to keep us around even after we know who killed
Laura Palmer...

Excellent episode...too bad all the weak minded souls out there in tv audience
land are going to shy away from Twin Peaks.  It just too much for the brain..

macapag@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu

In article <7054@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU> hjohar@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Hardeep Johar) writes:
> >
> >Well, only a few hours more before the great revealation! So let me
> >make an ass of myself with the following predictions:
> >
> >1. Leland Palmer killed Laura Palmer. I'm not sure if he was BOB's
> >host or not.

Good call.

> >
> >2. If BOB, the spirit, was the killer, then there is no way that he
> >could have had more than one host. If he was in the habit of flitting
> >around from host to host, then there is no point in discussing twin
> >peaks. If BOB is not the killer, then it is ok for him to go flitting
> >around from host to host.

Another good call.
> >
> >3. Laura Palmer was not Leland's daughter.

My personal favorite.  I think Ben is her father.
> >
> >4. The OAM, or Mike in OAM, is not the killer. 

Another good one.
> >
> >5. It looks as if BOB is the killer. The program description for next
> >weeks episode (in the NYT) says that Cooper hunts for BOB with the
> >help of Mike. So it looks as if BOB is the killer, and Mike is not.

Looks like that's the truth.
> >
> >6. I'm going to regret this posting.

Nah.  I think you hit the nail right on the head.  Congrats!


Whew.  What an episode!  PLEASE tell me that I'm not the only one who was
left INCREDIBLY confused at the end of it!  I walked out of the room that
I watched it in muttering to myself, "Jesus, this is a the goddamn WEIRDEST
show I've ever seen...."




Brian Markenson
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In article <1990Nov11.184928.10635@watserv1.waterloo.edu> broehl@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Bernie Roehl) writes:

> >Thank goodness.  (I'm almost convined now that Lynch reads the net.  He
> >got Cooper to enunciate the French *very* clearly and give a translation
> >right afterwards.  None of this "pomme de terre" nonsense).

I agree, and it's a real blow to the Spuds theory.

> >My guess is the microcassette may be from Cooper's voice-activated recorder.

What a strange guess.  How could Leo have gotten hold of one of
Cooper's tapes?  If you mean the specific tape that might have
recorded the giant's voice in episode 2.1, Leo was bleeding rather
heavily at the time, and he's been in a coma since.  Do people really
*think* about these "guesses", or are they just free association?

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "I happen to sweat profusely." -- Ted Kaldis

In article <46479@apple.Apple.COM> scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass) writes:

> >Now:Why is a mannequin holding a flash light in the preview?  We
> >think it's Emory's office.

A *mannequin*?  How can you tell a still of a mannequin from a still
of a person?  I think it's Audrey, disobeying Cooper's orders to go to
her room like a good horror-movie ingenue should.

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "I happen to sweat profusely." -- Ted Kaldis

What's going on with the perspective when Maddy enters the room? As soon as
she sees Leland, he turns into Bob.  Does this mean that she's damned--since
the OAM said the damned could see Bob's real face?  Maddy didn't strike me as
gifted in the right sense and wasn't that the OAM's other category of people
who could see Bob?

Do the parallels between Laura and Maddy feed into some weird symmetry here
or what?  Series starts with Laura's murder, then the big "resolution" comes 
with the murder of her more-or-less double.  
 
How mobile is Bob anyway?  I certainly see no reason to assume that he's been
in Leland the whole time--the Great Northern scene with Ben is just one ex--
but how much does he get around?  Any evidence or pure speculation?

Glad somebody already suggested that the military people were the owls. It's
a wild idea, but something about the hats.  Is it also sort of the way that
Lynch introduces new things to the show sometimes?  They also were the only
really salient group in the place, although that probably doesn't matter in
a Lynch show.

I fully expect to have a mailbox full of I-told-you-so's all next week.

I *still* think it's contrived as hell, and they'd better have a *damn*
good explanation for how she set it all up, especially after Tojamura's
bona fides checked out (unless, of course, Jerry's in on it :-)).

Still, I'm not one to deny admission when I'm wrong. I'm having crow for
Sunday dinner.

I'll be vindicated, however, when it's revealed that it was Pete at the
window, not Jonathan. :-)

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In article <1990Nov11.100351.3418@athena.mit.edu>,
rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (Richard L. Carreiro) writes:

[stuff deleted]

> > 2) why do so many people think Sarah is dead/near death?  She seems unharmed
> > (for now, anyways).  I thought she passed out from the effort of crawling
> > down the stairs and generic psychic trauma.  And I think Maddy'll turn up
> > dead, but I'm not sure why, unless Leland finishes her.  Granted I've never
> > been beaten up by a possessed man, but none of what he did to her
> > struck me as fatal, though granted she might bleed to death (also, if he

 She may well be dead after 1) getting her larynx crushed by a horrific
 punch to the windpipe, 2) getting her head nearly rammed through a
 wall and 3) other unseen terrible things (implied while the camera was
 at the roadhouse) that caused via psychic link a simultaneous outpouring
 of grief by her friends Donna and James.

 Was the name of the band at the Roadhouse "The Owls"?

In article <6040@mace.cc.purdue.edu> salmons@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Joe Salmons) writes:
 
> >How mobile is Bob anyway?  I certainly see no reason to assume that he's been
> >in Leland the whole time--the Great Northern scene with Ben is just one ex--

You know, everyone seems to be accepting Cooper's idea that the OAM's
"seizure" really does "point" at Ben.  Have we all forgotten how thick
the red herrings in this show can get?  Remember the scene: Ben's
walking down the hall, preceded by his cigar, when Mike's seizure
starts--long before Ben actually emerges into the lobby you can hear
Mike starting to go "hbbuuuhh. . ."  After he collapses, the next shot
is a Hitchcockian dolly shot from the length of the room, rolling back
into the crowd.  Very reminiscent of the great crane shot in "Frenzy",
for those of you who care about such things.  Anyway, one might well
ask whose viewpoint the camera is showing.  It might be no one, of
course, just a standard Lynch distancing shot; on the other hand, it
might be someone who has just decided to dicreetly fade from the scene
now that he's accomplished his task--to take out Mike.  Perhaps even a
disembodied spirit.  We've seen a similar dolly shot in the first show
of the second season, just before Ronette had her nightmare, which we
can also interpret as an "attack".  

So I say Ben isn't BOBish at all--Cooper has missed it, and we the
viewers have once again been snookered into watching the wrong hand
while the magician gets his trick ready with the other.

That said, I miss the old Cooper, the one who saw through people's
bullshit and never missed a trick.  This season Holmes is looking
awfully like Watson.  Or worse.  Through most of the last two shows,
he's looked distinctly confused.  Is Coop going to pieces, losing it
under the pressure of too much weirdness?  I want my Cooper back!

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "I happen to sweat profusely." -- Ted Kaldis

 When Maddy came down the stairs, (sounding rather frightened, I might
add), she was asking "What's that smell? Is something burning?"
Could it be she smelt burnt engine oil, like Dr. Jacoby did in the
hospital when Leland came to kill Jacques? If so, does that mean it was
really BOB who was killing Jacques?

Jeff Kouba
Dept. of Physics and Astronomy
University of Iowa
INET: jak@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu

Something which has not been discussed and I couldn't figure out
any reason for was when the OAM went down in the great northern
there were a bunch of Navy folk in uniform bouncing balls (really
noisy also).  Then later at the road house there were a bunch
of Navy people there too.  Is this something a point to the secret
DOD work?  

Expiring minds want to know.

Okay, last night's episode was admittedly a scorcher.  I mean, we haven't 
seen this much action since season closer last season.
But I'll ignore all the big stuff (Catherine's Return/Lelands Tranformation 
/ Maddie's death) and concentrate on one small detail:

I'm sure none of you missed the significance of Harold's "suicide note."  
The french quote "I have a lonely soul" was directly quoted from the 
magician boy who lives next door to Harold.

What with all the action that occurred later in the episode, I think that 
many people may have discarded this tidbit.  I think this is liable to 
become a major theme.

One last thing... who on the entire show had a more solitary soul than 
Harold?

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|   your mouth!" - Catherine           |  Mmmph!                        |
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Spoilers of the most recent episode follow.


Blatant vindicated bragging follows:  type n now!

Previously I posted an "I told you so" for gln and co. who ridiculed
my theory that BOB was a possessing spirit.

I've been pushing the idea that Leland did it on this group since
the middle of the first season, periodically updating evidence
to support Leland as the killer when I found it.  I have to admit
that I was a little dissapointed when it looked like my #2 suspect Ben
did it early in this weeks show, but then I was vindicated.
  I promised several people who ridiculed my "evidence" that I would
post a large message saying "I told you so" if I was right.  

God, revenge is sweet.  :)


I fully admit that this is obnoxious, but I feel I must keep my word.
Well, let's get the dirty deed done with and put this behind us.
This won't hurt a bit.

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Michael Kaye    horny@ucscb.ucsc.edu     "I told you so!"

jak@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu writes:


> > When Maddy came down the stairs, (sounding rather frightened, I might
> >add), she was asking "What's that smell? Is something burning?"
> >Could it be she smelt burnt engine oil, like Dr. Jacoby did in the
> >hospital when Leland came to kill Jacques? If so, does that mean it was
> >really BOB who was killing Jacques?

> >Jeff Kouba

Has anyone checked Jacques fingernails?  The missing E may be found there!

Judy

What/who are owls?  They're not what they seem, I know.  From looking around
the room at the roadhouse, I see Donna and James, Bobby Briggs of all people,
the room service waiter ...

... I think these are the owls.

What do you think?

Mojo

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In article <1990Nov7.200857.25910@oracle.com> dpawson@oracle.com () writes:
> >For all the people out there pondering the white horse in the previews. . .
> >When I first saw it, I guessed that it might be related to the Audrey story
> >line.  Audrey is still pretty screwed up on heroin, sometimes known as horse
> >or even the white horse.  Not that this allows us to make any profound 
> >conclusions if I'm right, but I haven't posted anything useless and/or wrong
> >in a while :-)  Could be Audrey is feeling a bit under the weather these days.
> >
> >                                    Dave Pawson
> >                                    dpawson@oracle.com
> >
> >P.S.  Anyone remember a lame dance song from a few years ago featuring the
> >thought provoking lines:
> >   "If you wanna ride, don't ride the white horse,
> >    If you wanna ride, ride the white pony."
> >?

That song was about heroin. It was actually an anti-heroin song. I highly 
doubt that this is a reference to the song. If it had something to do
with Audrey, maybe. But Mrs. Palmer seems totally unrelated to Audrey.

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dpawson@oracle.com writes:

> > P.S.  Anyone remember a lame dance song from a few years ago featuring the
> > thought provoking lines:
> >    "If you wanna ride, don't ride the white horse,
> >     If you wanna ride, ride the white pony."
> > ?

Yes! A friend was, quite unrelatedly, asking me about this a few days 
ago, and we wondered what band (?) did it and if it was still in print. 
Does anyone know?

(I know, I should post this on rec.music.misc, but I don't have a rec 
feed.)

Joe Zitt...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

About the death (probably) of Maddie:

Did anyone notice that the picture which Leland/BOB rammed Maddie into
was the same one featured at the beginning of the "What a Wonderful
World (Maddie's leaving)" scene?  If you look at the picture up close, it
has the words "Missoula, Montana" on it.  When Leland/BOB talked about
sending her back to "Missoula... MONTANA!" he wasn't just speaking
figuratively.

What's the deal with Sarah?  Is she dead (my wife and I don't think so)?
Does she know about Leland and BOB's close personal relationship?  Several
times last season she seemed appalled by Leland's behaviour  ("Don't ruin
this too").  Was she so "wiped out" in the last scenes of the episode
because she knew Leland was up to his old tricks again?  It is interesting
to note that when Maddie said she was leaving, Leland was almost enthusiastic
while Sarah seemed apprehensive and confused by Leland's behaviour.  The
possibilities are:
(1) Sarah is dead
(2) Sarah is alive and oblivious to everything
(3) Sarah is alive and knew what Leland/BOB was going to do and
    was afraid of it...
(4) like (3) above and she is involved in some way
I believe (3) is the most likely possibility.  Two other questions:
- Why was Sarah calling out to Leland as she was crawling down
  the steps?
- What does the white horse have to do with any of this?

As for the theory that Leland was possessed by BOB after Ben was arrested,
it would seem unlikely because of all the preparation Leland took (gloves,
X-acto knife).

Seeing Leland with BOB in the mirror was reminiscient of some scenes
from "Quantum Leap."  Could it be that BOB is the Sam's evil counterpart?
Does this suggest some kind of relationship between Al (the QL observer)
and Mike?  Maybe ABC is going to move TP to Friday nights (maybe better
ratings???)   NAAAAAH...
--
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       I have just one statement.  How many thought that the woman in the
red dress at the board house should have been singing "Blue Velvet"?



Tracy

In article <1990Nov10.154535.1@acad3.fai.alaska.edu> fsejo@acad3.fai.alaska.edu (Eric Olson) writes:
> >In article <8732@darkstar.ucsc.edu>, c2h5oh@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Idealistic Bibliomystic) writes:
>> >> I am in complete agreement with the person who said they want to
>> >> have the music to Twin Peaks piped into their head and I'm going
>> >> to play it at my wedding. So there.
>> >> 
> >Marry me.
> >-- 
> >Eric Olson <fsejo@acad3.fai.alaska.edu> Gryphon Gang Fairbanks AK 99775
> >"Eric Olson doesn't exist." -Patricia O. Tuama, rissa@gargoyle.uchicago.edu

Gee, I'd love to, but I have a previous engagement. To someone who
exists. Perhaps next time.

-- c2h5oh@ucscb.ucsc.edu | "The forces of evil can marshal even | more support than the forces of good, | especially when pizza is served."

In article <1990Nov11.040739.28495@athena.mit.edu> rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (Richard L. Carreiro) writes:
> >There's a new letter under the nail...it's an "O."

How do we know this?  Did I miss something?

> >And yes, Leland is/houses BOB.

As many on the net predicted.  Nice special effects work; I guess they've
got the mirror effects down to a science out in Tinseltown.

> >Is Maddy dead?

Yes... and somehow, Donna seems to know it.  So does Senor Drool Cup, and
Bobby knows something weird's going down.

> >So, is the giant an owl?

Yes, I think so.

> >What was Senor Drool Cup doing at the Roadhouse?

Notice he was dressed in dark pants, white shirt and bow tie - just like the
Giant.  Notice he's balding - just like the Giant.  (Yes, I know this isn't
really an answer -- just an observation).

> >But how the hell did Catherine get all the appropriate stuff together.

With help from the lawyer who (last season) came by to get her signature
on the life insurance policy she didn't know she had.  I suspect she's in
cahoots with a rival Asian group that wants the Mill.

> >What exactly was the OAM screaming as he fainted in the Great Northern?
> >Was it "I'm being attacked?"

Don't know -- but I *did* notice that during the attack, BOB said "Leland
told me you were going to ???, Minnesota".

> >Looks like the creamed-corn kid was speaking of Harold - and yes, we
> >now have the definitive translation of that phrase.

Thank goodness.  (I'm almost convined now that Lynch reads the net.  He
got Cooper to enunciate the French *very* clearly and give a translation
right afterwards.  None of this "pomme de terre" nonsense).

> >Is Leland posessed, or is he just your average run-of-the-mill psycho?

It's worth noting that Maddy saw both her uncle *and* the true face of BOB.
Both Leland and Maddy saw the same thing... this, to me, bespeaks the
supernatural.

> >How much longer until Leo recovers.....and what's on the microcassette.

My guess is the microcassette may be from Cooper's voice-activated recorder.

> >Was it me, or did the Giant look rather disappointed at Coop.

Sad, anyway; possibly disappointed.

> >Well, ABC and Lynch did keep their promise....

True.
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In article <45541@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> pjg@acsu.buffalo.edu (Paul Graham) writes:
> >question of the week:  is maddy going to die at the hands of bob/leland?
> >(gaaaah, i keep waiting for someone to come to the rescue.)

I certainly *expected* someone to come...but I'm pretty sure that she
is dead. I hope she isn't, but the last scene was just too sad and
awful for her not to be dead. Most of my questions are about that...
*why* were Bobby and Donna so upset? Why did everyone (or many of
them) seem to know/understand but not Cooper? Is it because he's not
a native Twin-Peakian? Is it because he didn't know Laura? James
didn't seem upset and he was supposed to be the closest to Maddy -
but James isn't really that sensitive to what's going on around him.

And I'm wondering what happened to Sarah. Was the "burning" smell
something Leland had done to her or something associated with
becomming BOB? My personal feeling is that her psychic gift so
overwhelmed her that she collapsed - either from fighting BOB from
possessing her, or from the horrible knowledge that BOB was in Leland.
I hope that she wasn't physically injured and will recover, if for
no other reason than that we need her as a witness (unless she was out
cold during all that.) But a witness to what? What would she have
seen, Leland or BOB? As always, I have more questions after an episode
than I did before...
-- c2h5oh@ucscb.ucsc.edu | "The forces of evil can marshal even | more support than the forces of good, | especially when pizza is served."

In article <3788@vela.acs.oakland.edu> rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:
> >
> >Hm?  A TV movie?  The version I saw (in America) was a theatrical
> >movie, about two hours long and not, I think, an American production.
> >I think you and Steve are comparing apples and orangutangs here.  Are
> >there two productions called "Three Men in a Boat"?

I'm pretty sure we were talking about the same one - both had Tim
Curry at any rate - is that the same as the one you're talking about?
I saw it on PBS and it certainly didn't seem like an American
production or a movie. But that was several years ago. In any case,
it's irrelevent.
-- c2h5oh@ucscb.ucsc.edu | "The forces of evil can marshal even | more support than the forces of good, | especially when pizza is served."

Well, well, well.

Much as we on the net predicted, Leland appears to be possessed by BOB.
Leland was at the Great Northern at the moment that MIKE gave his whereabouts.
He may also have been there when Ben came in, and spooked MIKE to frame
Leland.  Notice how we're retreating backwards from the scene of MIKE's
collapse?  Could be Leland leaving, and returning home.  Or perhaps just
BOB leaving the scene... nothing says he can't be around even if he's
not inhabiting someone.  ("BOB requires a human host" the same way "Bernie
needs to eat" -- I don't eat *constantly*, but I do require food).

A few guesses:

BOB was in Harold when Harold trashed his place and committed "suicide".
(Of course, the door *was* unlocked so it might well have been a human).

Ben is Laura's real father.  Laura's diary entry "I have to tell everyone
who Benjamin really is" refers to his being her father.  The close friend
of her father's is actually Leland.  BOB may have made sure the evidence
framing Ben (the diary entry) was left intact (although this seems rather
clever for BOB).

If the letter under the fingernail really is 'O', then it appears to be
spelling "Robert" backwards.  This means: 1) we have another murder to
go before the BOB storyline is fully resolved, and 2) we've missed one
murder (a victim with the letter 'e' under their fingernail).

Now, about the origins of these things...

It would appear that MIKE and BOB were initially human; the fact that BOB's
"true face" is that of a person is undeniable.  So who are they, and where
do they come from?  (I know, I know... "that... cannot be revealed".  But it
can be speculated about!)

We know the BOB-entity has been around Twin Peaks for nearly 40 years.
We also know that Leland saw him 40 years ago.  We also know that "only
one has seen his body"; since BOB looks the same to everyone, and Leland
saw him looking the same 40 years ago, this implies that Leland is the
"one" the Giant was referring to.  Therefore, 40 years ago BOB had a
physical form.  He was a real, live human being who was probably wearing
the clothes we always see him dressed in.  After that... something changed.

BOB and MIKE were partners; they were probably dealing in the black arts.

Random theory: they both wanted a kind of immortality, and found it.
("Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see").
They were willing to "walk with fire", if need be, to achieve a more-than-
human aspect to themselves.  Both gained an existence independent of their
physical forms, which may have perished in the process.
(The ritual involved the arm, somehow... which is why MIKE later chose to
sever it).

They both looked for initial hosts.  MIKE took over Phillip Gerrard;
BOB chose Leland.  ("Want to play with fire, little boy?").  MIKE left,
and at some point "saw the face of God" and was changed/purified.  He left
Phillip Gerrard alone, severing the arm to break the connection somehow.

BOB hung around TP, leading Leland to abuse his daughter (feeding on the
pleasures and the fears) and making her vulnerable to possession
herself.  BOB bounced merrilly back and forth between father and
daughter, occasionally inhabiting animal forms (notably owls).  He often
tormented Laura and led her to do things she wouldn't do otherwise.

At some point, BOB decided (for reasons of his own) to start killing people
and spelling out his real name ("Robert").  He killed Theresa Banks.
He later killed Laura; Ronnette (gifted/damned) saw Laura possessed during
the exorcism ritual (the dirt and the candles), and freaked out.  She had
seen the true face of BOB.  BOB also possessed Harold Smith, who
managed to avoid further possession by staying indoors.  (I suspect
that the spirit forms of MIKE and BOB cannot enter a building; they can
only do so while occupying a human form.  Perhaps something about wood keeps
them out).  Needless to say, becoming a shut-in did not do Harold
Smith's troubled mind much good.

BOB hung around in Leland and in owl form.  MIKE heard about Theresa
Banks' murder, and then about Laura's... and came back to Twin Peaks.
He only intermittently occupied Phillip Gerrard.  It was MIKE, not
Phillip, we saw in the hospital in the very first episode; he was
investigating the crimes himself to find out if BOB was involved.
Phillip Gerrard used drugs to ward off further possession by MIKE.

BOB attempted to kill Ronette; he simply possessed someone trustworthy
(perhaps the guard?) and walked into her room.  Ronette, of course, saw BOB's
true face, and was concerned.

BOB also possessed Harold Smith, the moment Harold stepped outdoors.
He was hoping to experience some of "the pleasures" with Donna, but
settled for "the fears".  He later killed the Harold host body to 
prevent Harold from figuring out what was going on.

MIKE is trying to stop BOB... but has been apart from our world for
nearly 40 years.  (Were convenience stors called that in 1949?  Probably
not).

There are some people in Twin Peaks (notably the Log Lady, for whom time
did not stop in the Roadhouse, and Senor Drool Cup) who are tuned in to
at least some of these goings-on.  On a weaker level, there's Donna (who
knew something had happened to Maddy) and Bobby (who just knew something
was out of whack).

Some random observations:

Maddy smelled "something burning", and there was an audible hissing sound
when the light was on BOB.  "Playing/Walking with fire" come to mind.

Notice that Maddy said something about "galloping back" to wherever, Minnesota?
Not sure where that horse fits it.  Also note the lyrics to the song Julee
Cruise was singing, and bear in mind they were written by David Lynch; I'm
not sure we've seen the last of Maddy (or Laura!)

Leland's "it's not exactly the far end of the Universe"; he certainly does
have a broad perspective on things, doesn't he?

Anyway, good for thought...
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In article <16308@csli.Stanford.EDU> alper@csli.Stanford.EDU (Ted Alper) writes:
> >his agents had checked out Tojimura in
> >Tokyo. Since Jerry is supposedly the one
> >doing this checking, does this mean he's
> >deliberately giving false information to
> >his brother? 

Remember we saw Mr. Tojimura's assistant go into his room at the
Great Northern last season.  My guess is that *he* represents the
Lollipop Guild, er, the Asian investment firm, and that Catherine
struck a deal with him somehow.  Of course, this still doesn't 
answer what Catherine was supposed to get out of the deal, but 
it gives us an explanation for Jerry's message, the cashier's check,
etc.  Add to that the fact that the theory's probably 100% wrong.

-Sho

The 11/10 episode of Twin Peaks was a gem. Who would have thought (apart from
TP fans, of course) that a television program could play with your mind with 
such deftness?

The whole episode fascinated me, but the last 15 minutes mesmerized me. The
complexity of the plot, the surgical precision in the editing of the show that
allowed flipping between BOB and Leland in an almost flawless way, the
mysteriousness of the Road House and horse scenes...Chapeau to the Lynch/Frost
team.

I honestly believe that this episode, and indeed the whole series,  
is worthy of the Emmy for Best Dramatic Production. Actually, that doesn't 
sound quite right, does it? TP is a brand new way of making television.
Perhaps a new Emmy category should be created.

How about some suggestions?

Mario Ouellet
marsup@ac.dal.ca

When Mike speaking through the OAM on the episode of 11/3 recites:
"through the darkness
 the future past
 the magician longs to see
 one chance out between two worlds
 fire walk with me,
 Oh ...,
 but then i saw the face of God
 and was purified."

 how does Cooper know to start reciting the quote at the exact very
moment the Mike does?

What is the quote?  Where does it come from?

When Mike says that BOB is his familiar, it is a spiritual term.
Websters defines familiar as:
   a spirit often embodied in an animal and held to attend and serve
   or guard a person.

Well thats my two-cents,  I hope I have not duplicated a hundred other
posts?

Patrick Brown asks:

> >- Why was Sarah calling out to Leland as she was crawling down
> >  the steps?

The way I understood her voice tone, was that it was a combination of
dismay and outrage that Leland had just attacked her, and that he was
so obviously around the bend.  Sarah's been worrying about her husband
for some time.  Crying out his name at that moment is like a culmina-
tion of all that worry--her psychological pain and her physical pain
coming out in the same wrenching "Leland!!"

> >- What does the white horse have to do with any of this?

This is a little off the wall, but even not having read the diary and
thus theoretically not knowing about Laura's horse, I was struck by the
way that Sarah seemed to recognize the horse--she was amazed and even a
bit pleased to see it.  And the facial expression on the horse was kindly,
even affectionate.  (Those who know horses well may differ with this
interpretation, though--but they *do* have definite facial expressions.)
This led me to the conclusion (here I'm stretching...) that the horse
was a horse that Sarah had known quite well--therefore most likely a
horse either of Sarah's or Laura's--who has been dead for some time--
and that what she was seeing was the *ghost* of this horse, who appears
at her moment of extremity (whether on the verge of death or not, she
certainly was _in_extremis_ emotionally) to comfort her, perhaps even
to guide her to the other side.  It could well be that the constellation
of spirit-world events that was allowing "it" to "happen" (as per the
Giant's commentary) again, includes a thinning of the veil between the
flesh and spirit realms, so that benign ghosts, unrelated to Bob or
Mike, might be appearing all over town.  And after all, if the veil was
thin *anywhere*, it was thin in the Palmer house that night!  

     --Fiona Oceanstar

In article <1990Nov11.120826.942@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> zlyj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu ( ) writes:
> >In article <1990Nov11.100351.3418@athena.mit.edu>,
> >rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (Richard L. Carreiro) writes:

>> >> 2) why do so many people think Sarah is dead/near death?  She seems unharmed

> > She may well be dead after 1) getting her larynx crushed by a horrific
> > punch to the windpipe, 2) getting her head nearly rammed through a
> > wall and 3) other unseen terrible things 

No, no, no.

That was *Maddy*.  The question is about Sarah, Maddy's aunt, Leland's
wife, Laura's mom, loose cannon, amateur psychic, grower of
antigravity hair.  Sarah.

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "I happen to sweat profusely." -- Ted Kaldis

Wow! Yesterday's episode was among the best yet. It had superb camera work,
great suspense, enough plot twists for 100 postings, and typically Lynchian
humor. Some of the people I watched with were disappointed that Leland was
the killer, arguing that it was too obvious. (I have to admit that I thought it
 was going to be someone we really had not suspected at all). But Lynch is not
in anyway trying to adhere to the standards of the murder mystery, in which we
expect to be surprised and have all plots wrapped up when we learn who the
murderer is. We don't actually KNOW that Leland killed Laura yet. All we know
is that he killed Matty (and perhaps his wife), and that he was possessed by
Bob. We do not know if Bob is a separate, possessing spirit or an alter-per-
sonality.  From yesterday's show, the former seems likely. Why else, for
instance, would OAM have pointed, or seemed to point, to Ben, if he is not
another host for Bob? (OAM could be a HUGE red herring).
   The scene at the Roadhouse was extraordinary.  Completely aside from the
great music, it was the most atmospheric of any on the show. When Bobby, Donna
and Coop looked shocked (after Maddy is killed and the giant disappears), I was
 practically trembling. It's very interesting that Bobby should be one of the
'spiritually connected' (owls perhaps?). No surprise that James continues to be
clueless.  Coop's look of utterly helpless awareness of what the Giant meant
heightened both the terror and the tragedy of the scene.
    The scene of Maddy's murder (assuming she's dead) was the show's most
violent yet, and reminded me a lot of 'Wild at Heart',which I did not particula
rly like. Here though, with the clear suggestions of vampirism, and the palpa-
ble terror it evoked, the violence did not seem intended primarily for
aesthetic effect, as with all the violence of the movie. Also fascinating about
the scene is the way in which it beautifully hedged the question of whether or
not the supernatural is indeed involved. Proponents of both theories can con-
tinue their theorizing.
    Donna took Harold's death pretty well, considering that, as she realizes
herself, she is the main cause of it. James' words to the contrary cannot be
escecially comforting.
   Enough of my scattered reflections. It's Sunday afternoon and Yale's connec-
 tion to netnews still has not fed me any postings at all about last night's
episode, so I thought I would enter my thoughts into the void.

In article <32660@netnews.upenn.edu>, hardt@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Dan Hardt) writes...
> >Maybe nobody will realize that maddy was murdered(if she's
> >actually dead), since
> >she is supposed to be leaving tp anyway. 

Well, the preview for next week's episode suggests otherwise; Leland is shown
as despondent, and Cooper's voice can be heard trying to comfort him.  

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BOB was in Ben an Ben killed Laura!

Did anyone notice that when Cooper sent Hawk down to the holding cell
that the whole mood of the show changed?  Margaret came in and told
Cooper that the Owls were at the Roadhouse.  Cooper said something
to the extent of "Somethings happening isn't it Margaret" and
she agreed.  Then we saw a long pan shot of evil looking black
clouds crossing the face of the full moon.  I think that was BOB
leaving the incarcerated Ben and heading for Leland.
 
I have no doubt, though, that at times before BOB inhabited Leland and
caused him to abuse Laura.

I don't know for certain that the Maddy is Laura idea is dead. To be
honest I bet I'm wrong, since everyone else seems to agree that Leland
said, "Leland says...you're going back to Missoula, MONTANA!", but I heard
"...back to Missoula...my daughter!" Could be just a little extra ear wax.

If he did say daughter, It seems to fit with all the lament Leland had
regarding Laura's death. Also, when BOB was 'dancing' with Maddy after 
popping her good in the throat, there were juxtopositions of Leland
crying, and BOB laughing and kissing Maddy. Almost as though BOB had 
decided he wanted Laura around again...how he could accomplish that by 
killing Maddy had me pretty confused until I remembered something Donna
had said at Laura's gravesite: "They didn't bury you deep enough!" Something
tells me that might come back to be important. Maybe some sort of soul-switch
or something. After all, there HAVE been the repeated references to Maddy
and Laura as the same: 'I feel like she is me, but sometimes my arms bend
back.'  There was no 'ritual' about Maddy's death as there seemed to be
with Laura's. Maybe that ritual allowed for some sort of ressurection.  Or 
maybe I'm high. 

Other thoughts:

Sarah Palmer (if alive) has a truckload to tell us about Leland. (Ditto for
Log Lady, and probably the grandson Tremond (creamed corn wizard).

I think Maddy is deader than a doorknob. Not sure about Sarah. 

Why did someone post the idea that Harold killed himself becuase Donna
had betrayed (contaminated) him? Laura, in her diary says she FORCED 
Harold to sleep with her, and enjoyed his fear while doing so. If being
raped by LAURA isn't 'contamination', then I don't know what is. Why would
he have killed himself after Donna, and not Laura? 

At the Roadhouse: I agree. The moment I saw the bowtie, I said to myself
that Sr. Drool Cup = Giant. "It is happening again." refers to the fact that
BOB is killing again...serves to tell Coop that BOB is not yet captured.
The Giant saying he is sorry is sort of telling Cooper ahead of time that
he is going to find out something and regret his mistake/lack of foresight.
The Log Lady definitely saw the Giant. Her eyes got twice as wide, she turned
toward the stage, and gripped her log. Dunno if she saw Giant as a threat, 
as someone she had already seen, or just as a startling vision.
I think Donna starts crying becuse she feels the loss of Maddy...not Harold.
She had finished brooding about Harold, and James convinces her it's not her
fault, and she started singing along the love song to James. Later, she starts
crying again. Bobby and Drool Cup also feel the loss...and I think Cooper 
senses a strange feeling too (not becuase the giant appears)...of Maddy. I
think it IS that specific. Bobby knew Laura pretty damned well...well enough
to feel a loss like that.

I think it is entirely possible that Laura was Ben's daughter, but I think 
more likely is the idea that Jeff Bone proposed...the town has sort of a 
collection of benign, and evil spirits. I'd like to take it one step further
and say the WHOLE TOWN  *is* that collection. Ever hear anyone warn another
townsperson about 'the strange woods' or 'the owls'? They only warn Cooper.
They all probably know something is amiss, (even Truman) only some have a
little more ability to affect things than others. I think everyone knows a 
lot more than they are willing to speak of. 

I also like the idea of the Michael Robertson splitting into a MIKE and BOB.
Kind of mirrors some other spirit splitting into a MADDY and LAURA (also one
good, one bad).

Alright, I know it's sick, but here is a mac sound sample of
Leo spitting up "new shoes". Oh, by the way, I think the roadhouse
is some kind of gateway to another place


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   Ben must be released next episode. The two new BOB killings would most
probably clear him of Laura's murder. That's assuming of course Ben doesn't
get into trouble for murder, extortion, prostitution, drug running,
statutory rape...

   How was Leland's wife slain? I didn't notice an injury. Maybe the
burning smell has something to do with it. It took her long enough to die,
and she went rather silently.

- Mark Cromwell

OK, first let me say I love twin peaks.  So no hate mail please?
 
I really think its past time for them to get rid of the BOB plotline.  I'm
past tired of young women on being brutally murdered on the show.  the 11/10
episode where Maddy is almost certainly killed had by far the most disturbing
scene I've ever seen on TV.  I havn't even been mildly freaked by anything
else that has went on before.  But watching Leland/BOB  do his thing on 
Maddy was just a bit to much.
 
There seem to be plenty of other plots going, so why do they keep dragging this
out?

Yes, yes, the last episode affirmed what we knew already--
Lynch and Frost are brilliant.  They solved the murder but not
the mystery.  I love it!!

In the last episode, there were a lot of closeups on the vocalist
at the Great Northern.  And Cooper seemed to be listening
intently to the music.  Is there some strange message embedded
in the lyrics of the songs the band was playing?  (I know, the
word "strange" is redundant in this group)

Will we ever make sense out of the last 20 minutes of that show?

Paul
"Do your palms ever itch?"

Warning!  Spoilers from episode 14 (11/10) follow:


- From the "previously on Twin Peaks" scenes:  the clue about Cooper's
  assailant having left vicuna fibers in the hallway was voiced over the scene
  of Leland picking the white hair from the stuffed animal in Ben's office.
  Clue or red herring?
  
- What is Gordon's "hush hush" business is Bend?  Speculation: Since Gordon
  thinks Cooper may be getting too involved in Twin Peaks, maybe he's going
  to the district office to arrange for some time off for Cooper.  Thus 
  being off-duty could actually give Cooper reason to stay in Twin Peaks
  longer (and reason for Albert to come back and take up the case).
  
- Philip/Mike convulses upon the arrival of Ben in the hotel lobby, and
  thus Cooper concludes "without chemicals, he points" means Philip/Mike is
  pointing to Ben.  But since we later find out Leland is BOB, why was he
  pointing to Ben?  *Was* he pointing to Ben?  
  
  After Senor Droolcup showed up at the roadhouse (see below), I thought
  perhaps Senor Droolcup was in the lobby and that's who Philip/Mike was
  pointing to.  But careful slow-mo review of the hotel lobby scene did not
  reveal his physical presence there.  I also thought Leland may have been in
  the lobby, but he was at home with Sarah and Maddy at the time.
  
  We have only seen Philip convulse when he is changing to Mike.  Since he
  is already in Mike persona at the hotel lobby, why would he convulse?
  Is he changing back to Philip?  Maybe he really wasn't pointing?
  
- Did everyone notice the detail on the picture in the Palmer living room
  as we pan into the scene where Maddy announces her planned departure:
  the words "Missoula, Montana".  Hence when Leland/BOB smashes Maddy's
  head into the picture, he says: "Leland says you're going back to
  Missoula, Montana!"
  
- Perfect Lynchism: "What a Wonderful World" playing on the record player.

- When Sarah and Leland tell Maddy she should come back and visit, Maddy
  says:  "I'll come *galloping* back often."
  
- Does Harold's suicide note imply he was/is Pierre Tremond, or are/were
  those two psychically linked?
  
- During the scene with Leo, Bobby, and Shelly: as Bobby indicated he was
  going to leave Shelly to fend for herself, I was struck with the notion
  that Leo is going to come back as a good guy.  Just a hunch.
  
- Why did Ben tell Audrey the truth about One-Eyed Jack's and Laura (or
  did he)?  It would seem in his best interest (and consistent with his
  character) to deny all involvement.
  
  By the way, this scene indicated how Lynch/Frost can manipulate previews
  slightly.  In last week's preview, we heard Audrey saying:
  
  "Did you kill her?  (pause)  Did you?"
  
  when in fact this week she asked Ben:
  
  "Did you sleep with her?  (pause)  Did you?" and then later 
  "Did you kill her?" (no "Did you?").

- Another hunch:  Has Nadine reverted (pretended to revert) to adolescence
  merely to prevent Ed from continuing his relationship with Norma?
  
- From the previews, Leo's tape seems to implicate Ben Horne since Bobby
  has a sudden interest in a "career in business".
  
- What is the implication of Ben not signing Catherine's contract but
  having given her $5 milllion to Josie?  Will Catherine ask for a cut in
  Ben's operations, or try to "bury him"?
  
- Was Ben going out for a baguette and brie sandwich?

- Margaret/Log's pronouncement "There are owls in the roadhouse" implies
  more than one.  If the giant is an owl, who else is?  Senor Droolcup?
  James? Donna? Bobby? Julee Cruise?  Notice that Margaret also saw the
  giant.
  
  When we first see the back of Senor Droolcup at the bar (before the 
  giant appears), I thought the giant was sitting at the bar.  Is Senor
  Droolcup the human host for the giant?  For what was he sorry?  Ignoring
  Cooper while he was laying wounded in his room, or the attack on Maddy?

- The record player was left spinning, just like the one in the cabin.

- Why was Sarah crawling down the stairs?  Did she realize what was happening
  to Leland and try to prevent it?  Why did the vision of the horse cause her
  to collapse?  Why did Maddy think something was burning when she found
  Sarah?  (Sarah's form and the burning sound would seem to be what Maddy
  saw in her previous premonition.)
  
- The white spotlight only appeared as Leland was transforming into BOB.
  Yet, it did not appear when he was looking (smiling!) at himself in the
  mirror.  And it did accompany the horse vision.  Perhaps someone on the
  net will tell us in what other scenes (if any) the spotlight appeared.
  
- Now we have the letter O.  Can we assume Cooper was right and Leland (no
  white spotlight during fingernail insertion) is spelling Robertson?  Leland
  saying he saw BOB at Pearl Lakes as a child and Philip/Mike saying BOB has
  been around for 40 years implies that Twin Peaks' past history is going to
  be crucial to explaining BOB.
  
  Can you say MER-CHAN-DIS-ING?
  
  From an article on Twin Peaks merchandising by Tom Shales in the 
  Washington Post on 8/6/90: 
  
    "Scherer [chief executive officer of Lynch-Frost Productions] says
    it's the publishing ventures, rather than the merchandising, that
    really excite Lynch and Frost.  These projects include, in addition
    to the "Secret Diary," another book that will serve as a "prequel"
    to "Twin Peaks," recounting the entire history of the fictitious
    Northwest lumber town up to the moment when Laura Palmer's body
    was discovered.  Frost is writing it now as a sprawling saga a la
    James Michener."
    
- Is Maddy dead?  Is Sarah dead?  See 900 number transcript below.

- Ah yes.  More red curtains at the roadhouse.  When is that gum Cooper likes 
  going to come back in style?
  
- From the previews:

  - Who is the female figure with the flashlight (Audrey?  Donna?) and where 
    is she?

  - Back of Leland shown with Cooper's voiceover: "Will you be alright Leland?
    (Leland groans)"  So Leland/BOB will remain on the loose.  Well, they
    only told us that *we* would find out who killed Laura, not that any
    character would find out!
    
- When will we see Carol Lynley (Diane)?

- As end credits roll, Julee Cruise provides the final plea from Lynch/Frost
  to we viewers:  
  
  Love
  Don't go away
  Come back this way
  Come back and stay
  Forever and ever
  
  Please stay
  
  (now that we know who killed Laura.)
  
- Transcript of 900 number for this week:

[Trumpet playing is heard]

Andy:  Twin Peaks Sheriff Station.  Deputy Andy Brennan speaking.  Hi. I'm
       still here on the phones since Lucy is away.  I just sit here, pushing
       this button . . . then that one, playing my trumpet.
       
       [plays some more notes]
       
       I don't know how Lucy does it.  Yesterday I pushed the wrong button,
       shorted out the whole station house, and burned my finger.
       
       [phone rings, Andy answers it]
       
Lucy:  I'm not surprised.

Andy:  Lucy?

Lucy:  This is not a personal call, Deputy.  I'm calling to find out what
       happened last week.
       
Andy:  I got my trumpet from your apartment.

Lucy:  I mean in town.

Andy:  Oh, um, Harold Smith, that guy who Donna was trying to get Laura's
       secret diary from, hung himself from a rafter.
       
Lucy:  Oh!  How is he?

Andy:  Dead!

Lucy:  Oh Andy . . . Did you cry?

Andy:  No. Harry made me wait in the car.

Lucy:  Andy, I want to tell you that I think you are really . . .

[static]

Mystery Voice:  I'm back.  Time for business.  As the Deputy has told you,
       Smith is dead.  There goes another suspect.  I did like him.  He did,
       however, leave behind Laura's diary.  In it, she said that Killer BOB
       is a friend of her father's.  She then mentioned Ben Horne, and I
       quote:
       
           One of these days I'm going to tell the world about Ben Horne.
           
       End quote.
       
       Speaking of old Ben, he and his loving daughter Audrey had a nice
       chat.  She told him that she knows all about One-Eyed Jack's and
       that Laura worked there.  Seems Ben and Laura were more than just
       casual friends.  He slept with her.  Though he did claim he loved 
       her.  Audrey then told Cooper, who then told Harry, who then . . .
       well, let's just say Ben is now safely behind bars.
       
       Oh and there's something else:  Big Ed and Nadine went for malts
       at the Double R.  Nadine is still having a little trouble with time.
       
       Oh and here's a good one:  That strange Asian man Tojamura is even
       stranger than I thought.  It's Catherine Martell, and I think she's
       planning to really stick it to Ben Horne.
       
       There's one more item.  Oh, wait . . .
       
[static]

Lucy:  There!  I said it.

Andy:  Said what?  The line went dead.  I didn't hear a thing.

Lucy:  Men! [hangs up]

Andy:  Lucy?  Oh jeepers!  [plays trumpet]

Mystery Voice:  One last thing.  BOB has killed again.  Call again next
       Sunday.  I'll be back.
  
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broehl@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Bernie Roehl) writes:

> > In article <1990Nov11.040739.28495@athena.mit.edu> rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (Ric
>> > >There's a new letter under the nail...it's an "O."
> > 
> > How do we know this?  Did I miss something?
> > 
Leland slips the letter under Maddy's fingernail in a close up. (The 
letter is stuck on the end of an exacto knife.

>> > >Is Maddy dead?
> > 
> > Yes... and somehow, Donna seems to know it.  So does Senor Drool Cup, and
> > Bobby knows something weird's going down.
> > 
I have a gut feeling that while Maddy may not be dead, Sarah is.

>> > >So, is the giant an owl?
> > 
> > Yes, I think so.
> > 
>> > >What was Senor Drool Cup doing at the Roadhouse?

I think that the Giant, Senor Drool Cup, and the singer are all owls. The 
singer's lyrics often seem oddly appropriate to the situation (I think 
Lynch is one of the best lyricists I've heard in years -- does anyone 
know whether he, Cruise, or Badalamenti have any other recordings?)

Goofy question #90125: My TV's resolution isn't that good, but the 
guitarist in the band looked a lot like Adrian Belew. Could that be? 
Could he have done it as a goof? (I know the band on the stage was not 
the band on the recording, as the drummer looks nothing like Grady Tate.)
>> > >What exactly was the OAM screaming as he fainted in the Great Northern?
>> > >Was it "I'm being attacked?"
> > 
> > Don't know -- but I *did* notice that during the attack, BOB said "Leland
> > told me you were going to ???, Minnesota".

I think it was "Leland says you're going to Missoula... Montana!"

(How far would it be from Missoula to Twin Peaks?)

> > 
>> > >Looks like the creamed-corn kid was speaking of Harold - and yes, we
>> > >now have the definitive translation of that phrase.
> > 
> > Thank goodness.  (I'm almost convined now that Lynch reads the net.  He
> > got Cooper to enunciate the French *very* clearly and give a translation
> > right afterwards.  None of this "pomme de terre" nonsense).
> > 
I noticed that Cooper did >not< enunciate the same phrase exactly -- 
there was a consonant (possibly a "t") between "J`ai" and "une". I think 
this was just a glitch on McLachlan's part.

Speaking of glitches, Ben's glasses fell off when the cops grabbed him, 
and they all walked out without retrieving them, yet he was wearing them 
when they entered the station. (Of course, he may have been carrying a 
spare pair, or someone may have gone back for them, but it struck me as 
an appropriately niggling NetNit.

>> > >Is Leland posessed, or is he just your average run-of-the-mill psycho?
> > 
> > It's worth noting that Maddy saw both her uncle *and* the true face of BOB.
> > Both Leland and Maddy saw the same thing... this, to me, bespeaks the
> > supernatural.
For me, the scariest shot was when BOB's disembodied head was 
superimposedover Lelands for a flash. Did everyone in the Roadhouse see 
the Giant, or only Cooper, Margaret, and Senor DC?

BTW, is the Roadhouse also the Bang Bang Bar? I had thought they were 
different places.

I was greatly saddened by Harold Smith's death -- he was by far my 
favorite character (with Margaret running a close second).

>> > >Well, ABC and Lynch did keep their promise....
> > 
> > True.

... and how!

Joe Zitt...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

In article <273D07AA.15090@ics.uci.edu>, bvickers@passy.ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes:
> > From the 11/10 episode, here are a few quotes I thought were
> > fantastic:

What about
"You're going home to Missoula MONTANAAAAAAA!!!!"

A... different thing to say before you kill someone.

---------- Ryan Mathews
-- Internet : mathews@cs.buffalo.edu Bitnet : mathews@sunybcs UUCP :{apple,cornell,decwrl,harvard,rutgers,talcott,ucbvax,uunet}! cs.buffalo.edu!mathews

This is not her first time posing for PLAYBOY.  She has posed before.

[This is a repost, the original message got lost it seems... that's why
there are TWO different .signatures. -PR]

  No! No! Don't tell me it's true! Not tonight! Why us? This year's first snow 

and it has to fall NOW, cutting off the feed of the only important channel.

  Now guess what : WE MISSED TONIGHT'S SHOW! The one *NOBODY* wanted to miss!

  Okay, here's the deal : if ANYONE, ANYWHERE, can get us a copy of the show, we

up here are ready to pay:

          1) the tape
          2) postage and handling
          3) whatever else you may ask from us.

  But please, PLEASE, someone help us! We're all dying to know WKLP, and what

the latest news is with Andy's sperm! (insert semi-smiley here)


                           Desperate, a bunch of Montreal people,
                                  including me, a REAL twinkie, or peakie,
                                        or whatever...
                                                             Dan.

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34EPWQL@CMUVM.BITNET (Ritual de lo Habitual) writes:

> >It's official.  Leland killed his daughter, Laura Palmer.  Or, to be more
> >precise, BOB, while possessing Leland, killed Laura.

> >I don't know about you, but I'd like to see the "Andy-did-it" people
> >explain *this* away...:) :)

Aren't you jumping the gun, *just* a bit!!!  All we know is that Leland is
*currently* host to BOB, not that he was host when Laura was killed.

Nevertheless, I wager it was Leland.  But, let's not be too sure of ourselves
*yet*.


-- Clay Luther cluther@solo.csci.unt.edu Lonely C++ Programmer I don't work for anybody here, so I don't have any opinions.

In article <1990Nov11.100351.3418@athena.mit.edu> rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (Richard L. Carreiro) writes:

> >3) Is the smell that Maddy mentions a manifestation of BOB, or is something
> >really burning?

How about "Fire...walk with me"?

Dave

In article <46479@apple.Apple.COM> scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass) writes:
> >rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (Richard L. Carreiro) writes:

>> >>Who was writing the "Talk to Ben" note they showed in the
>> >>previews?
> >
> >It was Bobby writing on Leo's legal pad.  He saw Hank meeting Ben

One other possiblilty: it could be Catherine!

Dave

There have been a few questions concerning the Julee Cruise songs at
the end of the 11/10 episode: they are "Rocking Back Inside My Heart"
and "The World Spins."  Both are on the album "Floating Into The
Night" which features all the songs used in the show so far, unless
that James/Donna/Maddy weird song from a few shows back was sung by
Cruise.

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It was interesting how the record player was playing with no music when Bob
took over Leland.  Poor Leland is not going to recover from this any 
time soon.  Neat that the more "sensitive" members of the community
felt Maddy's death(?) which gave Bob some more emotions to devour.
It was beautiful how the show went from Leland placing the letter 
under the finger to the Giant looking sad and horrified to Cooper
looking at the Giant.   Nice red curtains at the end of the show.

Anyone out there think that Donna lip-synched better than Julee Cruise? :-)

-}Brian