Season 2, Episode 19: Variations on Relations — April 11–17, 1991

In article <815@taniwha.UUCP> paul@taniwha.UUCP (Paul Campbell) writes:
> >Did anyone else notice that both Windom's and Leo's fingerprints
> >are on the arrow that the 'pawn' was shot with? Some how this doesn't
> >seem quite like Windom's style.

Well, perhaps he took out the arrow before he finished
building the pawn.

-Matt
....
...
..
.

I remember hearing somewhere that Linch filmed 3 different
scences with a different killer (of laura) in each so that
the actors didn't even know which one of them killed her..

What if he decides to show those endings to the folks 
overseas...say Europe gets Leo as the killer and NZ and Aust.
get Ben Horne..etc.

Then all our 'giving' away the surprise ending to those viewers
is really not.

Just thought that I would throw that out for you to chew on.


  

-- shawn@aardvark.pdx.com "I'm with the government, I'm here to help!" "The God I believe in isn't short of cash, mister!!" -Bono

I spent a lot of time reviewing my tapes in order to compile the various
pieces of the MYSTERY only to find out that BOB Glickstein beat me to it :( 
just as I was about to post it. Both lists had some common material although
there were some items on my list which I didn't find on Bob's list and vice
versa. Thus, I decided to *integrate* and *organize* both lists. 

Louie


PLACES: TWIN PEAKS, WHITE LODGE, BLACK LODGE and TIBET
1. Where are the Black and White Lodges?
2. Was the palazzo [palace] in the vision, which Maj. Briggs described to 
   Bobby, the White Lodge? Will Maj. Brigg's vision of Bobby come true? 
3. When Cooper asked the OAM where Bob was, was the OAM describing the Black 
   Lodge (i.e. "... many rooms all alike but occupied by different souls
   night after night")?
4. Is there a connection between Tibet and the White and Black Lodges?
5. Cooper tells Albert "You'd be amazed at the connection between [Twin Peaks 
   and Tibet]".  What did he mean?
6. What is it about Twin Peaks that things like a high-school prostitution 
   ring can exist?  Is it just the normal underbelly of rural America, or is 
   there some evil that permeates the whole town, a la "It" or "The 
   Tommyknockers"?
7. What, exactly, is the charter of the Bookhouse Boys (something about 
   protecting Twin Peaks from the evil in the woods...)? What event 
   precipitated its formation; when, and by whom?
8. Where is Pearl Lakes in relation to Twin Peaks, and how does it tie in to 
   the mystery?

PROSE, DREAMS and IMAGES
1. What does the petroglyph mean? Who drew them in the Owl Cave?
2. What do the "drawings" on the box mean? Where did Eckhardt get it? Why did 
   he have it given to Catherine?
3. What do the tattoos on the Log Lady and Maj. Briggs mean (could it be a
   bird, a plane, no ... its ...)? What happened to Maj. Briggs and the Log 
   Lady when they dissapeared? Were they abducted by aliens? Why don't they 
   have any memory of what happened to them? Is there anybody else in TP who 
   may have had similar circumstances?
4. Who sent the messages (i.e., "The Owls Are Not What They Seem") picked up
   by the Air Force monitors and shown by Maj. Briggs to Cooper?
5. What information (claimed to be confidential) has been gathered under the 
   Blue Book Project? What does Twin Peaks have to do with Project Blue Book?
6. What does Coop's dream mean? What does his most recent "vision" mean 
   (the one just after Josie dies)?
7. Why did Cooper dream about Tibet? 
8. What does the LMFAP signify?  (Cooper wasn't entirely on the mark when
   he drew the easy parallel between Leland and LMFAP.)
9. After the Giant vanishes for the second time, a bright bit of SFX flashes 
   into Cooper's body. What about it?
10. What is the full meaning of MIKE's poem?
11. Is there any meaning behind Harriet's poem (I saw Laura glowing...)?

OWLS, SPIRITS, WOOD, STRANGE and MYSTERIOUS CHARACTERS
1. What are the owls?
2. Who is BOB? Where is he now? What does BOB have to do with what happened in
   Pittsburgh? Why did Cooper have an affair with WE's wife?
3. Who is the Giant? Is SDC (Senor Drool Cup) an inhabiting spirit or a spirit
   inhabited person? 
4. Who is MIKE? Where is Philip Gerard now?
5. Why do BOB and the Giant not resemble their hosts, but MIKE is only ever 
   seen in Philip Gerard?
6. Cooper asks the Giant, "Where do you come from?" and the Giant responds, 
   "The question is, where have you gone?" Does this imply that Cooper himself
   is transported elsewhere during his visions (as opposed to his visions 
   coming to him).
7. What happened to Josie? What did BOB have to do with her death? How do you 
   account for her weight? Is her spirit in the "knob" just like the spirit of
   the Log Lady's husband is in her log? Why was she sad at the beginning of 
   episode 1000?
8. What's special about Cooper, Briggs, and Margaret, vis a vis their ability 
   to commune with the supernatural?
9. What is the significance of wood?
10. What is the significance of the "Ghostwood" project? What "possessed" 
    (ha-ha) Ben to call it Ghostwood?
11. Where is Laura (her spirit) now?
12. What is the nature of Lana's power over men? Is she a witch?
13. What is the effect of Halperidol? Why does it inhibit spirits from 
    inhabiting a person?
14. Who and what else in TP is inhabited by which spirit? Is there a spirit 
    hiding in the sprinkler system at the Sherrif's station?
15. Why is Nadine super humanly strong?
16. Are the owls manifestations of spirits or are they inhabited by spirits?
17. Why did Ms. Jones try to kill HST? What was that liquid that she applied 
    to Harry's lips?
18. Who and what are the Tremonds? How did the kid magician make the creamed 
    corn disappear?
19. Who and what is Harold Smith? Why is he agoraphobic? Why did he commit 
    suicide? How did he know of the French sentence uttered by the kid 
    magician?
20. What was the white/grey horse in Sarah's vision?
21. What is the deal with Ben Horne and Donna's mother?
22. Why did Donna want Laura's sunglasses? What explains the change in her 
    personality between 1007 and 2001?
23. What is Benjamin's role in the evil that permeates Twin Peaks?
24. How did Andrew Packard survive his "accident" and fool people into thinking
    that he is dead? Who else is thought to be dead but is actually alive?
25. Who is the father of Lucy's baby? What is the deal with Little Nikie?
26. Do the Renaults have another brother?
27. Was there something supernatural about the shadowed figure in the woods 
    with Leo, and if so, did Leo know about it?
28. The hooded figure from 2019:  related to the figure in the woods with Leo?
    How about the figure that appeared when Briggs vanished?
29. What happened forty years ago? Is there a link between "forty years ago" 
    and the music that Leland/BOB danced to?
30. What is the deal with James?

WKLP STILL UNSOLVED MYSTERIES
1. Why did BOB start appearing to Laura? Was he always (ever?) in Leland 
   during those visits?
2. Why did BOB kill Laura?  (I [Bob G.] don't buy what BOB told us in 2009.)
3. Why did BOB kill Theresa Banks?
4. Beside the fact that it just happened to precede her death, what did the 
   events at Jacques' cabin have to do with BOB killing Laura?  (Cooper's 
   dream led the way to the cabin; it had to have more significance.)
5. How did Ronette's IV turn blue?  How and why did she wind up with a 
   fingernail letter?
6. Why was BOB spelling ROBERT (in an apparently random order)?
7. Laura's clinical cause of death was blood loss.  She survived the Waldo 
   attack to meet BOB at the train car.  Did something besides his pounding 
   kill her?
8. Laura had come to some sort of decision before she died. What had she 
   resolved? To confront BOB? To sacrifice herself? Whatever she decided, did 
   she succeed or fail?
9. What is the connection between Laura and Cooper? She dreamed about him; 
   does this mean the connection is stronger somehow than simply, "he's the 
   investigator of her murder"?
10. What ritual occurred in the traincar?
11. Ronette recalls Laura's murder in the traincar. She sees BOB in the 
    recollection, not Leland. Why, and how?
12. What did Maddie smell just before she was murdered?
13. Who attacked Dr. Jacoby by the gazebo (Leland, right?) and why
    (jollies?  I don't think so...)?

I spent a lot of time reviewing my tapes in order to compile the various
pieces of the MYSTERY only to find out that BOB Glickstein beat me to it :( 
just as I was about to post it. Both lists had some common material although
there were some items on my list which I didn't find on Bob's list and vice
versa. Thus, I decided to *integrate* and *organize* both lists. 

Louie


PLACES: TWIN PEAKS, WHITE LODGE, BLACK LODGE and TIBET
1. Where are the Black and White Lodges?
2. Was the palazzo [palace] in the vision, which Maj. Briggs described to 
   Bobby, the White Lodge? Will Maj. Brigg's vision of Bobby come true? 
3. When Cooper asked the OAM where Bob was, was the OAM describing the Black 
   Lodge (i.e. "... many rooms all alike but occupied by different souls
   night after night")?
4. Is there a connection between Tibet and the White and Black Lodges?
5. Cooper tells Albert "You'd be amazed at the connection between [Twin Peaks 
   and Tibet]".  What did he mean?
6. What is it about Twin Peaks that things like a high-school prostitution 
   ring can exist?  Is it just the normal underbelly of rural America, or is 
   there some evil that permeates the whole town, a la "It" or "The 
   Tommyknockers"?
7. What, exactly, is the charter of the Bookhouse Boys (something about 
   protecting Twin Peaks from the evil in the woods...)? What event 
   precipitated its formation; when, and by whom?
8. Where is Pearl Lakes in relation to Twin Peaks, and how does it tie in to 
   the mystery?

PROSE, DREAMS and IMAGES
1. What does the petroglyph mean? Who drew them in the Owl Cave?
2. What do the "drawings" on the box mean? Where did Eckhardt get it? Why did 
   he have it given to Catherine?
3. What do the tattoos on the Log Lady and Maj. Briggs mean (could it be a
   bird, a plane, no ... its ...)? What happened to Maj. Briggs and the Log 
   Lady when they dissapeared? Were they abducted by aliens? Why don't they 
   have any memory of what happened to them? Is there anybody else in TP who 
   may have had similar circumstances?
4. Who sent the messages (i.e., "The Owls Are Not What They Seem") picked up
   by the Air Force monitors and shown by Maj. Briggs to Cooper?
5. What information (claimed to be confidential) has been gathered under the 
   Blue Book Project? What does Twin Peaks have to do with Project Blue Book?
6. What does Coop's dream mean? What does his most recent "vision" mean 
   (the one just after Josie dies)?
7. Why did Cooper dream about Tibet? 
8. What does the LMFAP signify?  (Cooper wasn't entirely on the mark when
   he drew the easy parallel between Leland and LMFAP.)
9. After the Giant vanishes for the second time, a bright bit of SFX flashes 
   into Cooper's body. What about it?
10. What is the full meaning of MIKE's poem?
11. Is there any meaning behind Harriet's poem (I saw Laura glowing...)?

OWLS, SPIRITS, WOOD, STRANGE and MYSTERIOUS CHARACTERS
1. What are the owls?
2. Who is BOB? Where is he now? What does BOB have to do with what happened in
   Pittsburgh? Why did Cooper have an affair with WE's wife?
3. Who is the Giant? Is SDC (Senor Drool Cup) an inhabiting spirit or a spirit
   inhabited person? 
4. Who is MIKE? Where is Philip Gerard now?
5. Why do BOB and the Giant not resemble their hosts, but MIKE is only ever 
   seen in Philip Gerard?
6. Cooper asks the Giant, "Where do you come from?" and the Giant responds, 
   "The question is, where have you gone?" Does this imply that Cooper himself
   is transported elsewhere during his visions (as opposed to his visions 
   coming to him).
7. What happened to Josie? What did BOB have to do with her death? How do you 
   account for her weight? Is her spirit in the "knob" just like the spirit of
   the Log Lady's husband is in her log? Why was she sad at the beginning of 
   episode 1000?
8. What's special about Cooper, Briggs, and Margaret, vis a vis their ability 
   to commune with the supernatural?
9. What is the significance of wood?
10. What is the significance of the "Ghostwood" project? What "possessed" 
    (ha-ha) Ben to call it Ghostwood?
11. Where is Laura (her spirit) now?
12. What is the nature of Lana's power over men? Is she a witch?
13. What is the effect of Halperidol? Why does it inhibit spirits from 
    inhabiting a person?
14. Who and what else in TP is inhabited by which spirit? Is there a spirit 
    hiding in the sprinkler system at the Sherrif's station?
15. Why is Nadine super humanly strong?
16. Are the owls manifestations of spirits or are they inhabited by spirits?
17. Why did Ms. Jones try to kill HST? What was that liquid that she applied 
    to Harry's lips?
18. Who and what are the Tremonds? How did the kid magician make the creamed 
    corn disappear?
19. Who and what is Harold Smith? Why is he agoraphobic? Why did he commit 
    suicide? How did he know of the French sentence uttered by the kid 
    magician?
20. What was the white/grey horse in Sarah's vision?
21. What is the deal with Ben Horne and Donna's mother?
22. Why did Donna want Laura's sunglasses? What explains the change in her 
    personality between 1007 and 2001?
23. What is Benjamin's role in the evil that permeates Twin Peaks?
24. How did Andrew Packard survive his "accident" and fool people into thinking
    that he is dead? Who else is thought to be dead but is actually alive?
25. Who is the father of Lucy's baby? What is the deal with Little Nikie?
26. Do the Renaults have another brother?
27. Was there something supernatural about the shadowed figure in the woods 
    with Leo, and if so, did Leo know about it?
28. The hooded figure from 2019:  related to the figure in the woods with Leo?
    How about the figure that appeared when Briggs vanished?
29. What happened forty years ago? Is there a link between "forty years ago" 
    and the music that Leland/BOB danced to?
30. What is the deal with James?

WKLP STILL UNSOLVED MYSTERIES
1. Why did BOB start appearing to Laura? Was he always (ever?) in Leland 
   during those visits?
2. Why did BOB kill Laura?  (I [Bob G.] don't buy what BOB told us in 2009.)
3. Why did BOB kill Theresa Banks?
4. Beside the fact that it just happened to precede her death, what did the 
   events at Jacques' cabin have to do with BOB killing Laura?  (Cooper's 
   dream led the way to the cabin; it had to have more significance.)
5. How did Ronette's IV turn blue?  How and why did she wind up with a 
   fingernail letter?
6. Why was BOB spelling ROBERT (in an apparently random order)?
7. Laura's clinical cause of death was blood loss.  She survived the Waldo 
   attack to meet BOB at the train car.  Did something besides his pounding 
   kill her?
8. Laura had come to some sort of decision before she died. What had she 
   resolved? To confront BOB? To sacrifice herself? Whatever she decided, did 
   she succeed or fail?
9. What is the connection between Laura and Cooper? She dreamed about him; 
   does this mean the connection is stronger somehow than simply, "he's the 
   investigator of her murder"?
10. What ritual occurred in the traincar?
11. Ronette recalls Laura's murder in the traincar. She sees BOB in the 
    recollection, not Leland. Why, and how?
12. What did Maddie smell just before she was murdered?
13. Who attacked Dr. Jacoby by the gazebo (Leland, right?) and why
    (jollies?  I don't think so...)?

In article <5683@wrgate.WR.TEK.COM> johnob@loowit.WR.TEK.COM 
(John Obendorfer -MSD Contractor) writes:
> >   The Stonehenge replica is located in Maryhill, Washington, which is
> >about 35 miles east of The Dalles, on the north shore of the Columbia
> >(read: the middle of nowhere).  The site is on a small bluff overlooking

(stuff about Stonehenge replica deleted)

> >   The mansion is actually a museum, and for some completely unfathomable
> >reason, contains the U.S.'s largest collection of Rodin sculpture.  The

Actually, I believe that Stanford has the world's largest collection
of Rodin sculpture (the collection includes _The Thinker_).  At any
rate, the campus is literally peppered with Rodin's sculptures.  So,
unless Palo Alto is no longer part of the United States (which is
certainly possible given Palo Alto's political tilt).

> >
> >John

-Steve
-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Ellis What, me worry? sellis@cs.stanford.edu

In article <1991Apr12.120416.1115@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu> jak@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu writes:
> >
> > First of all, all the executives at ABC should be taken out and beaten
> >soundly. Enough said.
> >
> >  Last night we saw a hooded figure twice. Could this be the same hooded
> >figure we saw in the woods with Leo (or was it Ben Horne, I don't remember)
> >way way back in the first season?

Funny you should put it just this way - the hooded figure actually represents
ABCs programming execs ....

Paul

-- Paul Campbell UUCP: ..!mtxinu!taniwha!paul AppleLink: CAMPBELL.P "But don't we all deserve. More than a kinder and gentler fuck" - Two Nice Girls, "For the Inauguration"

amanda@wam.umd.edu (Amanda ) writes:

> > In article <1991Apr13.091500.521@arizona.edu> dmittleman@misvax.mis.arizona.e
>> > >Final scene:
>> > >
>> > >We are just inside the doorway of Cooper's room at the Great Northern.  We 
>> > >see Cooper in a profile view sitting in a wooden chair at his desk/dresser 
>> > >staring blankly into the mirror in front of him (not wholly unlike the 
>> > >opening scene with Josie).  The woom is dark and warm and woody.  The
>> > >camera angle slowly moves towards Cooper circling around behind him.  Very
>> > >haunting TP music picks up in the background.  As the camera comes arond 
>> > >behind Cooper we can see his reflection in the mirror.  It is Bob smiling 
>> > >and laughing back out at him.  The picture fades to black.  "Lynch/Frost"
>> > >appears on the screen. 
> > 
> >      I LOVE IT!!! 
> >      That would be the _best_ ending!! This is the _only_ ending worthy of
> > Twin Peaks!
> >      If they don't end it this way, their ending doesn't count. :)

Problem: How does BOB posess him?

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In article <815@taniwha.UUCP>, paul@taniwha.UUCP (Paul Campbell) writes:
> > Did anyone else notice that both Windom's and Leo's fingerprints
> > are on the arrow that the 'pawn' was shot with? Some how this doesn't
> > seem quite like Windom's style.
> > 
> > Also when Coops kisses his 'nun' all that amazing amount of lipstick stays
> > in one place (probably plastic :-)
> > 
> > just being picky
> > 
> > Paul


It doesn't matter that the fingerprints are all over the place: Cooper knows
that Windom did it, and Windom knows that Cooper knows.

As for Leo getting identified, Windom is intelligent enough to know that
Cooper would find out eventually.

Mario Ouellet
Dalhousie University
Halifax, Nova Scotia

The tatoos found on Maj. Briggs and the Log Lady were actually brands. The
Cattle Ranchers of the Sky [Aliens] have been branding people to indicate 
which ranch a person belongs to [Have you checked your birthmarks recently]. 
The petroglyph is a map, indicating the boundaries of the various ranches [The
map shows landmarks in addition to the boundaries]. The 8 symbols of the black
box give the 8 different ranches or tribes of aliens. Bob and Mike are two of 
three brothers which own the ranch which encompasses Twin Peaks. The third
brother is still unkown. There is a chance that it could be the hooded figure
we see from time to time. The two used to be real buddies but their 
relationship has turned sour over an argument which resulted on the burning of
a map of their ranch.

These aliens inhabit humans from time to time for entertainment. The human host
takes on characteristics of the inhabiting spirit. For instance, Nadine is
inhabited by someone who is very strong; Lana is possessed by a seductress; and
James is inhabited by a terrible actor.


Louie

lara@yorgi.csd.sgi.com (Lara Allen) writes:

> > I was under the impression that Coop had never seen Bob before...
> >   only the giant and the dancing dwarf
> > 
> > so, why is it that Coop instantly knew it was Bob holding Josie?
> > 
> > (or is this one of those 'dont ask' questions?)
> > thanks
> > lara
> >  
> > 
> > 
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Coop had seen Bob before.  Remember when Mrs. Palmer had a police sketch 
drawn of Bob, and Coop said that he was the same man from his dream?  
(The one with the "Fire, come walk with me", candles, and otherwise 
incredibly weird stuff that I wish would return.)

Regarding the Gazebo in the 4/11 episode... My first thoughts on seeing
it made me think of a 'castle',  i.e.,  as in the chess piece or chess
maneuver of castling.  Guess I'll have to wait and see if this is any
kind of foreshadowing.  ("Foreshadowing - your clue to quality entertainment.
Opus")         

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steve@hanauma.Stanford.EDU (Steve Cole) writes:

> > I liked the scene where Coop figures out that the poem was written
> > by Leo, but really Shelley should have recognized her own husband's
> > handwriting.

Maybe she didn't know that Leo could write? :)

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Okay, I think that something horrible is going to happen to the two of 
them. As one poster pointed out, fire has for the most part been the 
symbol of evil in the show. Annie and Audrey were being discussed IN 
FRONT OF A FIRE. Foreshadowing? And, I also remember reading somewhere 
t(People Weekly, perhaps?) that AudreF9ey was next on BOB's hit list...

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In article <10529@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600koga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Jeffrey Koga) writes:
> >I'm pretty sure that the symbols represent the
> >various planets in the solar system (including the
> >sun?).  I think the symbols are Roman.

Some of the symbols are completely unfamiliar to me but some
are quite definitely astrological symbols refering to segments of the
sky. I noticed the symbols for Libra and Aries meaning that the moon
would be in a particular phase against a particular part of
the sky as seen from the earth.

Before astronomy and astrology separated, this shorthand was invented
by peoples such as the Romans to quickly notate planetary configurations.
The planets were their only way of marking the seasons so they took
this task very seriously.

The black box may very well describe a time using this shorthand. 
Some configurations are common and others happen only once in a thousand
years or more.  So the box could pinpoint a date that comes often
or may come only once.   
> >

> >Also, I noticed that in the computer drawing of Owl
> >Cave by Windham Earle, there was a Roman symbol that
> >looked like the number '4'.  It was toward the
> >lower lefthand corner of the screen.

At first I thought it was a four, too, but it is the astrological shorthand
for the planet jupiter.  I can think of know logical reason for this.
 


Ann Hodgins                         E Uassiuian is the will to continue
alternat@watdcs.uwaterloo.ca        To laugh, to have fun and to be amazed.

In article <2323@novavax.UUCP> brookshe@novavax.UUCP (leighton A. Brooks) writes:
> >
> >To correct a misnomer posted: 
> >The circular symbols found on the box were NOT
> >phases of the moon, they appeared to be some sort 
> >an eclipse.  Isn't an eclipse, superstitiously of
> >course, a symbol of the end of the world?
 
 
Why are you sure its an eclipse and not  the moon being eclipsed by the
earth, creating the phases of the moon?
 
ann

> >From: bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein)
> >Subject: RS: things to answer

> >This is an attempt to identify the important things that a really sexy
> >Grand Unified Theory of Twin Peaks would have to address (not only
Here are some of my attempts to answer Bob G's questions
for the RS project.  Of course, most of this speculation, but that's
sort of what the RS thing is about right?

> >What happened to Josie, including her missing body weight?
> >What did BOB have to do with Josie's death?

> >Why was Josie sad at the beginning of episode 1000?
> >If Josie's spirit is still around, then are the spirits of other
> >recently deceased people (esp. Laura) still around?
At the beginning of 1000, Josie appears rather content, to me,
rather than sad while thinking and humming in front of her mirror.  
Nevertheless, when Pete leaves "gone fishing" Josie becomes worried
and turns her head trying to see exactly where Pete is going.  This
makes me believe that Josie knows something about Laura Palmer lying
outside near the shore and is wondering whether Pete will be the
one to discover her.  Josie has been haunted by BOB or
at least something in the past so that she knows "what happened to
Laura" through this spirit.  If Josie is humming anything but 
nonsense, it must be "the Nightingale" which was left playing 
repeatedly on Jacques turntable on the night of the murder.
Just as Laura was strong enough to resist BOB and would
not "let him in," Josie was the alternate case, who could not
resist BOB or another spirit and did "let him in."  Josie
said that Eckhardt was her lover but also like a father to her--
similar to Leland's position with Laura.  This is
why Josie had "gone mad" and could not control herself-- thus
leading to shooting Cooper.  She told Cooper that she shot him
because he was there-- an enemy of the evil spirit possessing her.
Because Josie was not as strong as Laura, BOB was able
to trap her spirit "in the wood."  Of course, I don't what
significance wood has as a trapping medium except that owls-- the
animal form that BOB and spirits can apparently take-- live in trees.  Because 
of this, Josie's spirit is not free.  Margaret, the log lady, has 
apparently found such a spirit also trapped in wood.  Fortunately, Margaret 
is one of the "gifted" who can communicate with such a spirit. 
On the other hand, Laura is a free spirit perhaps represented by the 
"spirit that wanders" that Hawk once referred to.

> >What is the effect of Halperidol?
This drug is used to repress the effects of schizophrenia
and delusions-- i.e. victims of apparent possession on a recent 20/20
were put on halperidol.  Apparently, in Twin Peaks, this drug is 
effective at repressing truely possessive spirits.

> >Beside the fact that it just happened to precede her death, what did
> >the events at Jacques' cabin have to do with BOB killing
> >Laura?  (Cooper's dream led the way to the cabin; it had
> >to have more significance.)
I believe that Cooper's dream was really assistance from
"good" spirits-- i.e. the Giant and friends.  They wanted Cooper
to be able to understand the events leading up to Laura's murder
so that he would be better able to understand the the spirit, BOB.
This was in the interest of the "good" spirits since BOB must
be an enemy that they need Cooper to stop.

> >Who and what are the Tremonds?
The Tremonds that we met appeared to both Laura and Donna
according to the secret diary.  They are probably "good" spirits
and appeared to Donna to help lead her to Harold and thus the
secret diary.  Again, this would have been done with the interest
of stopping BOB.

> >Who attacked Dr. Jacoby by the gazebo (Leland, right?) and why
> >(jollies?  I don't think so...)?
My theory is that Leland or BOB knew that Laura had been
seeing Dr. Jacoby and wanted to prevent him from revealing
anything. 

> >Why do BOB and the Giant not resemble their hosts, but MIKE is only
> >ever seen in Philip Gerard?
Mike told Cooper that he is similar to BOB.  BOB was his 
familiar and thus is likely a different kind of spirit.  Perhaps he
is a kind that appears as his host, or perhaps Cooper is not
gifted "enough" to see Mike as his true self.  Also, familiars
are often creatures that can change between a human and animal form
(i.e. dirty-haired man to owl).  Their masters can "see" and "hear"
through their familiars and so acted this way for Mike.  

> >Why did Donna want Laura's sunglasses?  What explains the change in
> >her personality between 1007 and 2001?
Donna wanted to BE Laura.  In 1000, Mike even yelled something like,
"You and Laura! You're exactly alike!"  I think that this was nothing
more than a psychological thing after her best friend died.  Actually,
both Maddy and Donna wanted to be like Laura-- Maddy even told us this.

> >Why is BOB accompanied by the smell of scorched engine oil?
This question is misdirected I think.  The smell of scorched
engine oil that Dr. Jacoby mentioned was in reference to James'
bike at the gazebo.  The burning smell that accomponied BOB at
the hospital and in the "Maddy dies" scene probably refers to 
BOB's association with fire.  Fire has been associated with evil
throughout the show.  Margaret said that fire was "the devil 
that hides in the smoke," indicating the BOB is an evil spirit.
"Fire walk with me," also refers to part of a Satanic ritual
(although it's not clear that Lynch/Frost meant it to be this
in the story of Twin Peaks) which again associates BOB with evil.

> >Cooper tells Albert "You'd be amazed at the connection between [Twin
> >Peaks and Tibet]".  What did he mean?
Cooper said this in reference to the fall of the Happy Generation of 
Tibet.  This apparently parallels the fall of the happy "quiet people"
that became a "nightmare" as Jean Renault told us.  Twin Peaks, a once
peaceful and happy town has been invaded by evil and corruption 
leading to the end of Twin Peaks' "Happy Generation."  This also
parallels the invasions of China into Tibet.  Just as the Bookhouse 
Boys fought off the evil in the woods for years and finally had
a temporary faliure in 1989(?), so did the Tibetans fight China's 
invasions for centuries until the successful invasion of Communist
China in 1950.

> >Meanwhile, I have a notion that ties together a couple of things.
> >Cooper and Caroline Earle were in love in Pittsburgh; Caroline was
[more about Caroline, BOB, etc.  deleted]
I like this theory A LOT.  It really helps explain why the blonde
woman looks "almost exactly like Laura Palmer" and yet why "her
arms bend back." 


Rocky Giovinazzo

> >From: bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein)
> >Subject: RS: things to answer


> >murdered by BOB.  Some time later, Caroline's disembodied spirit
> >entered Laura Palmer and acted subliminally to lend Laura strength to

[more about BOB, Caroline... deleted]

I forgot to mention, this would also explain why the blonde
woman in the dream kissed Cooper. 

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <1991Apr14.191355.13625@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >In article <2323@novavax.UUCP> brookshe@novavax.UUCP (leighton A. Brooks) writes:
>> >>The circular symbols found on the box were NOT
>> >>phases of the moon, they appeared to be some sort 
>> >>an eclipse.

> >Why are you sure its an eclipse and not  the moon being eclipsed by the
> >earth, creating the phases of the moon?

The phases of the moon aren't created by the earth eclipsing the moon,
Ann.  Eclipse stages and moon phases don't look alike, either, though
I don't know how to display the difference on a computer terminal.
I'm abstaining on the question of which was depicted on the box,
mostly because I don't believe the TP production staff has their shit
together enough to know the difference.  ("Welcome to amateur hour")

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Poetry ends like a rope" --Jack Spicer

In article <1991Apr14.191355.13625@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >In article <2323@novavax.UUCP> brookshe@novavax.UUCP (leighton A. Brooks) writes:
>> >>To correct a misnomer posted: 
>> >>The circular symbols found on the box were NOT
>> >>phases of the moon, they appeared to be some sort 
>> >>an eclipse.  Isn't an eclipse, superstitiously of
>> >>course, a symbol of the end of the world?
> > 
> > 
> >Why are you sure its an eclipse and not  the moon being eclipsed by the
> >earth, creating the phases of the moon?

The phases of the moon are NOT caused by the moon being eclipsed by
the earth. This happens only rarely and is called a Lunar Eclipse.

The phases of the moon are just how much of the light side
of the moon we see compared to how much of the dark side
we see.

-Matt
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In article <1991Apr10.164448.25495@athena.mit.edu> mvb@eagle.mit.edu (Mary V. Burke) writes:
> >Roar in Norway asks about other non-Badalamenti music in TP.....
> >
> >Well, some other 19th-century piano music crops up in an episode early in 
> >the second season (at least, what constitutes the second season in the 
> >US)--in the show where Leland and Sarah are having dinner at the 
> >Haywards', the previously-unseen third Hayward daughter (Gersten) goes to 
> >the piano and plays the opening section of Mendelssohn's Rondo 
> >Capriccioso, quite a lovely thing.  (Then she does some really impressive 
> >boogie-woogie stuff at the very end, over the credits, but that probably 
> >doesn't count.)
> >
> >And there's whatever opera that is on the TV at Wally's when the cop goes 
> >in there after whatsisname's fatal car crash.
> >
> >And "Surrey with the Fringe on Top" from Leland.
> >
> >Also the various big-band numbers that reduce Leland to hysteria, incl. 
> >PEnnsylvania 6-500.
> >
> >What about the various amateur-hour performances by a) James and Maddie and 
> >Donna and b) JJ Wheeler (feh!)?  they were so very forgettable that 
> >I've.....well, forgotten whether they were doing anything recognizable or 
> >not.

This doesn't technically fit the category of non-Badalamenti music, but 
there's a fast, twangy-guitar blues shuffle that crops up occasionally
(most recently in a scene at Norma's during a conversation between Norma
and Annie, and a while back during a Bobby/Shelly party scene) that is
about three notes away from being a copy of an instrumental by Freddy
King called "Side Tracked", recorded in the early 60's.  Close enough
for copyright infringement, if you ask me.  Another example of a white
boy getting rich on a black man's tune.

Personally, I kind of liked the scenes with everyone's favorite rebel-
without-a-brain leading a sing-along with the 2 girls.  Those drippy
gazes and longing ooo-ooo-ooo's, with the arpeggiated guitar chords
(full tremolo and reverb of course) was so... it reminded me of a cover
from one of those "True Romance" magazines of the 50's/60's.  ("He was
singing to me, but his eyes were serenading hers..").  The song was
original (whatever that means), but reminded me of a cross between 
"Sea of Love" and "The House of the Rising Sun".

I'm curious if anyone noticed what kind of guitar he had.  Looked like
an old Gibson ES electric hollow-body with a Bigsby twang bar.  

They seem to be going out of their way to make Donna look like a reject
from a 50's sitcom.  She always wears those little sweaters, and long
skirts, and was even drinking a 7 ounce Coke through a straw in a recent
scene.  The scene in 4/11 at the dinner table was priceless.

Donna:  "Mother, what's your relationship with Benjamin Horne?"
 (steel-eyed stare)
Mom: "Would you like some peas, dear?"
  (*yes, I paraphrased it, nitpickers needn't bother to bombard me with
    corrective comments)

And the big shocker: she's threatening to GO AWAY TO SCHOOL!!!  

Where are Ward and June Cleaver when you really need them?

jimbo.

In article <13945@adobe.UUCP> asente@adobe.com (Paul Asente) writes:
> >Ok, start with the Major's tattoo.  Turn the upper two triangles into
> >Margaret's mountains.  Start doodling...make the bottom triangle into
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If I hear of any of you preverts doodling with Margaret's mountains again
(let alone her bottom triangle) I'm going to tell her log!!  (Actually,
I'm surprised it has any bark left at all after all these years.  Maybe
it's not a natural log after all; it's a prosthetic.)

Of course, it sounds like everyone in town has explored the owl cave...

jimbo.

We're trying to find out to what extent this alt group was critical
in organizing the Save Twin Peaks campaign that led to large numbers
of letters and faxes being sent to Bob Iger at ABC.

Was there an organized program outside of the Net? Would it have
been as successful without the Net and the alt-group-generated traffic?
Did the idea for a letter-writing campaign, call-in campaign, and
massive faxathon originate with someone on the Net?

Tell me your stories. Feel free to post, but also send e-mail,
if you like.



--Mike




-- Mike Godwin, (617) 864-0665 | "Language is a virus mnemonic@eff.org | from outer space." Electronic Frontier | Foundation |

In article <47126@ut-emx.uucp> osmigo@ut-emx.uucp (Ron Morgan) writes:
> >Well, I've got four comments/questions/whatever at this point (God, I love
> >this show...):
> >
> >1. Any speculations as to what's in that black "puzzle box" from Eckhardt?

I have no idea what's in the box.  Some devastating secret which will
destroy everyone's life, no doubt.  :-)

But as to the box itself:  The symbols on the top are intriguing.  (I know
I posted this before, but I didn't put RS: in the subject due to net-lag.)
There are a set of phases of the moon.Around them are a set of symbols,
at least some of which represent the signs of the zodiac.  If I remember
rightly, the one on the center right looks like a paw print.  I don't
remember any zodiac symbol which looks like that!  Am I seeing it wrong?

Also, I'm pretty sure that somewhere in the UFO abduction literature
there's at least one reference to an abductee being shown a black box, with
the idea being implanted in her memory that "I'll know what to do with it
when the time comes."  Quite a few abductees seem to have the impression
that they've been programmed to act upon something in the near future.
Scary stuff!

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So far, a few people on this newsgroup have said that *next* week's show
(4/18) will be the last one, and a few have said that *last* week's (4/11)
was the last one.  So what the hell's going on?

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from the local weekly listing for Thursday, April 18 at 9pm (ABC):

Twin Peaks - Cooper and Truman look deeper into the mystery of Owl Cave;
     Windom [sic] Earle snares another captive;
     romance blossoms for Cooper and Annie Blackburne.

     (In Stereo) (CC)

--
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In article <wc1q6cC00aw3AKRoAB@andrew.cmu.edu> jp4t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jean-Luc H. Park) writes:
> >I missed the last show, but if the symbol was something like

No, actually, it was more like:

                )_|
                  |

which is the symbol for Jupiter (about the only one I remember).  It
was in a circle between the middle and the upper-right corner.

The significance?  Might be a road map for alien touristas.  Or might
have an astrological meaning.  Or, might mean NOTHING AT ALL.

                                           -- Bill K.

Bill Kaufman               | "Grandad would start breaking into liquor stores
{...}!{ames,ucbvax}!       |  and staying out late.  Hope we have it soon!"
   hplabs!oracle!wkaufman  |            -- David Lynch

GIOVIN%HECTOR@ecs.umass.edu (Rocky Giovinazzo) writes:

>> >>From: bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein)
>> >>Subject: RS: things to answer


>> >>murdered by BOB.  Some time later, Caroline's disembodied spirit
>> >>entered Laura Palmer and acted subliminally to lend Laura strength to

> >[more about BOB, Caroline... deleted]

> >I forgot to mention, this would also explain why the blonde
> >woman in the dream kissed Cooper. 

I like this theory alot, what about

where we're from, the birds sing a pretty song, and there's always music in the
air."

also "she's my cousin. but doesnt she look almost exactly like laura Palmer?"{

This would mean that the LMFAP is a good spirt instead of being conected to
BOB/Lealand ,the dark side.

DARREN BURTON
dtburton@uokmax ecn.uoknor.edu.

>> >>
> >I don't think the chess game was trashed.  The reason the pawn is
> >sitting out in the gazzebo (sp?) is because Earle took the pawn
> >(BxKR3 - I know that's not the right notation but is the pawn that
> >was moved out in the last (4/4) episode).  This leaves Earle's
> >bishop extremely exposed.  I'm still curious as to what happens
> >when Coop takes one of Earle's pieces.  If black does not take
> >the white bishop, the white bishop will take the black bishop
> >(which is what I assume "someone you know will be next" follows
> >from).  It is my hypothesis that pawns are just "nobodys" that
> >get paid with beer :-) and the royalty are actual people in TP.
> >Unfortunately, I don't think there's enough time to wrap up the

> >game.

Well, the only piece Coop could take (that we know of) would be 
Leo.  It's not like he's got much of a part anyway.  

Ron Picard

tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes:

> > In article <1991Apr2.201133.27829@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) wr
>> > >As the paterfamilias of a Nielson [sic?] family ...
> > 
> > It boggles my mind that someone could actually BE an A. C. Nielsen
> > household, with the log and everything, and STILL not know how to spell
> > the name.  On the other hand, maybe it doesn't...

Do they have to list what the log watches, or does it always watch the 
same things that Margaret does?

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

I haven't seen much conjecture about the telegram JJW got when
he was talking love to Coop at the fireplace.  My immediate
thought was that it was a Wyndham Earle setup, but thinking 
about it I saw no reason for that.  Something made him move fast.

TWIN PEAKS is dead?

I read in the newspaper over the weekend that Twin Peaks will being
going into hiatius AGAIN and that the last two episodes will be combined
into a movie of the week that will be shown in June.  As for the future
of Twin Peaks (as to whether it will be renewed or not) it will not
be decided until May when the network announces which shows it will
renew for the Fall season.

Bad news.  Can anyone confirm what I read?

Bert Nelson
Weber State University
bnelson@cc.weber.edu (internet)

Regarding TP and corporate officials:

The sunday Dallas Morning News had an article about fans and stange shows (TP
and QL were mentioned).  It also gave the addresses and fax numbers of all the
major network executives (ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, HBO (i think)).  

I am sending a letter to Fox asking them to pick TP up.
-- Clay Luther, Postmaster cluther@supernet.dallas.haus.com Harris Adacom Corporation cluther@enigma.dallas.haus.com Voice: 214/386-2356 MS 23, PO Box 809022, Dallas, Tx 75380-9022 Fax: 214/386-2159 Your mileage may vary. Void where prohibited.

In article <1991Apr12.153310.2949@ns.uoregon.edu>, rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu writes...
> >This kind of language is standard when 'serious' wine tasters discuss wines.
> >However, someone who throws words like that around just in order to impress
> >people is known as a 'wine snob'. It can be taken to extremes, but if you try
> >some of the wines that are made with an emphasis on quality and uniqueness than
> >for uniformity and quantity, you will find that words like that are probably
> >the best approximation for the sensations you will experience in addition to
> >the basic wine grape flavor. Oregon and Washington are known for producing
> >wines of this quality.

Actually, there is a wonderful book called (I think) "Communicating
about Wine" or "The Language of Wine" or something like that.  The
book is a study of the use of descriptors in wine-tasting and
discrimination and consensus in meaning among those doing the
tasting.  It is actually a study in language cognition, but
quite fascinating and certainly more interesting than your
typical academic drivel (I can say that because these are my
colleagues).  I read the book while in the Communication Studies
doctoral program at Northwestern University.  While I'm on the
subject of interesting approaches to academic topics, there is
a similarly excellent approach in a book about the anthropology
and sociology of the "meal" in human culture.  The book goes
through the history & culture of a simple meal -- discussing lots
on corn, Native Americans, etc.  I feel that more people would
approach topics in a more innovative fashion if such "innovations"
were not dismissed as "frivolous scholarship."

Carol

An enquiry from an ignorant Scot...

My friend says that although TP has been axed in the US, they have completed 
the series, which will be shown in Britain, but possibly not the US. (ie the
UK will see more of it than the US!)
I think that they have cancelled TP and the second series will not be completed.

Which of us is right?....

and is TP definitely dead? (please someone say no!)


Reply by Email please...

Thanks,

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In article <1158600144@cdp> ddulmage@cdp.UUCP writes:
> >He also stated that the show is just screaming over
> >in Europe and Australia, averaging a 70 share!!!

It's also doing quite well in Canada, on our Global Television Network.

I almost wonder if those three markets, plus periodic (monthly?) release
of episodes on videocassette would make it feasible?  If so, it would be
a real first.

-- Bernie Roehl, University of Waterloo Electrical Engineering Dept Mail: broehl@sunee.waterloo.edu OR broehl@sunee.UWaterloo.ca BangPath: {allegra,decvax,utzoo,clyde}!watmath!sunee!broehl Voice: (519) 885-1211 x 2607 [work]

In article <10529@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600koga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Jeffrey Koga) writes:
> >I'm pretty sure that the symbols represent the
> >various planets in the solar system (including the
> >sun?).  I think the symbols are Roman.

There were 8 symbols, each associated with a phase of the moon.  Seven of the
symbols were zodiac signs: pisces, gemini, taurus, aries, cancer, libra and
sagitarius.  The eighth looked like a paw print.

> >Also, I noticed that in the computer drawing of Owl
> >Cave by Windham Earle, there was a Roman symbol that
> >looked like the number '4'.

Symbol for Jupiter.


-- Bernie Roehl, University of Waterloo Electrical Engineering Dept Mail: broehl@sunee.waterloo.edu OR broehl@sunee.UWaterloo.ca BangPath: {allegra,decvax,utzoo,clyde}!watmath!sunee!broehl Voice: (519) 885-1211 x 2607 [work]

In article <2314@novavax.UUCP> hal9000@novavax.UUCP (Computer Science) writes:
>> >>Trivia:
>> >>  I believe Shelley's (The poet) wife wrote "Frankenstein's Monster".
> >     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >Uh ... The 'wife' of Percy Bysshe(sp?) Shelley (the poet) has a name ... Mary
> >Wollstencraft Shelley (the author) ... for some reason I got offended at the
> >reference ... I feel better now.  Thank you for your support.

Yes, but getting her name right would have involved checking a
reference and getting the facts straight before posting, something
which seems to be rarely done on Usenet.  Why break with tradition?

Also, the name of the book is just _Frankenstein_, not "Frankenstein's
Monster". 


-- Janet Swisher Internet: swsh@midway.uchicago.eduUniversity of Chicago Phone: (312) 702-7608 Academic and Public Computing P-mail: 1155 E. 60th St. Chicago IL 60637, USA

In article <5872@vela.acs.oakland.edu> rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:
> >In article <1991Apr14.191355.13625@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
>> >>In article <2323@novavax.UUCP> brookshe@novavax.UUCP (leighton A. Brooks) writes:
>>> >>>The circular symbols found on the box were NOT
>>> >>>phases of the moon, they appeared to be some sort 
>>> >>>an eclipse.
> >
>> >>Why are you sure its an eclipse and not  the moon being eclipsed by the
>> >>earth, creating the phases of the moon?
> >
> >The phases of the moon aren't created by the earth eclipsing the moon,
> >Ann.  Eclipse stages and moon phases don't look alike, either, though
> >I don't know how to display the difference on a computer terminal.

 I've just made a complete fool of myself! Regardless of how the moon's stages 
are produced, the moon moves so swiftly on its apparent course through the
segments of the sky that it would not be a useful way to indicate a unique 
time or location. For instance, a full moon in Libra, say, must be fairly
commonplace but an eclipse of the sun against Libra would happen once
"in a blue moon".   ;-)   
 
ann

In article <10360@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> russelrd@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (MattBrockman) writes:
> >In article <1991Apr14.191355.13625@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
>> >>In article <2323@novavax.UUCP> brookshe@novavax.UUCP (leighton A. Brooks) writes:
>>> >>>To correct a misnomer posted: 
>>> >>>The circular symbols found on the box were NOT
>>> >>>phases of the moon, they appeared to be some sort 
>>> >>>an eclipse.  Isn't an eclipse, superstitiously of
>>> >>>course, a symbol of the end of the world?
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >>Why are you sure its an eclipse and not  the moon being eclipsed by the
>> >>earth, creating the phases of the moon?
> >
> >The phases of the moon are NOT caused by the moon being eclipsed by
> >the earth. This happens only rarely and is called a Lunar Eclipse.
> >
> >The phases of the moon are just how much of the light side
> >of the moon we see compared to how much of the dark side
> >we see.
 
Actually this has bugged me for a while.  What makes the moon light?  -
reflecting sun light. What causes the dark side?  - as far as I know it
is the earth interfering with the light getting to the moon. Technically
not an eclipse I guess, but very similar in effect - one planetary body 
interfering with the light coming off another body.
 
ann

>from the local weekly listing for Thursday, April 18 at 9pm (ABC):
> >Twin Peaks - Cooper and Truman look deeper into the mystery of Owl Cave;
> >     Windom [sic] Earle snares another captive;
> >     romance blossoms for Cooper and Annie Blackburne.
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^

The posting I read yesterday of the COMPLETE cast list did not include a 
last name for Annie.  Now we have one.  And notice that not only is she 
BLACK, but she BURNS (i.e. fire) as well.  Can we assume that this is 
Norma's maiden name too?  

daniel david mittleman                            danny@arizona.edu
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> >Subject: RS:  Re: Things to Answer
> >
>> >>Why did Donna want Laura's sunglasses?  What explains the change in
>> >>her personality between 1007 and 2001?
> >Donna wanted to BE Laura.  In 1000, Mike even yelled something like,
> >"You and Laura! You're exactly alike!"  I think that this was nothing
> >more than a psychological thing after her best friend died.  Actually,
> >both Maddy and Donna wanted to be like Laura-- Maddy even told us this.
Before the flames get too high, I forgot to mention, Donna ALSO 
told us that she wanted to be like Laura.  When she visits the graveyard 
she says, "I wanted so much to be like you, to have your strength..."

Rocky Giovinazzo

> >From: svihla@evax0.eng.fsu.edu
> >Subject: RS: Lana and Dick
> >I don't know what other people thought, but I was disappointed by the
> >denouement of the wine tasting scene.  It was marginally funny to see Dick
But really-- this was one of Lucy's best scenes in a while I thought.
I loved the part:  "It tastes a little woody." and then "No."  That
"No," was delivered perfectly-- I was going nuts laughing.

Rocky Giovinazzo

Did Leo Johnson write out his own arrest report?  Or do they just
happen to have copies of creative writing from Leo's high school days?  What
did Cooper compare Shelly's note with to make sure it was Leo's writing?

I also thought it was funny when Hawk brought Leo's arrest record
to Cooper.  Cooper gives an ecstatic "Good work, Hawk."  He brought him a 
police file.  Dale seemed to think it was quite a task though.

Now that Windom Earle has killed again, will Albert have to return
to do the autopsy?

Someone posted that Annie's last name is 'Blackburne', I believe.
That must be Norma's maiden name then, and Vivian's original married name
before meeting Ernie "The Professor" Niles.  It was an interesting name
for the writers to pick.  The 'Black' part is an obvious attempt to link her
with a black piece on the chess board, probably the queen.  And 'burne' is
reference to fire.  Maybe the way Annie will die...

-Steven Greco

About Rocky Giovinazzo's talk of the evil of fire recurring in TP, I
think it is interesting to note that Lynch uses this motif in "Wild At
Heart" and "Blue Velvet" as well. He seems to be bent on getting some
message across to us. Maybe something like "Fire is the passion within
us all. And fire is the destructive evil in the world. Thus, the hearts
of mankind are innately evil." Maybe not, that just occured to me. It
doesn't jive with Lynch's perpetual attitude of optimism in real life.
Perhaps this is just his release of his "dark side".

Mike

Anyone notice that after the box was opened, the hooded figure began to
appear a couple of times? Bring to mind PANDORA'S BOX???????

In article <10531@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600koga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Jeffrey Koga) writes:
> >**SPOILERS ABOUND FOR THOSE HERE AND IN EUROPE**

> > 18.  Light fixtures/lightbulbs on the ceiling:
> >Sheriff's Office light when Eric Powell is found, and
> >Leo/Shelley Johnson's ceiling light when Leo awakens

        Sputtering light in coroner's office when Coop inspects
          Laura's body (pilot).

> > 19.  Animal heads:
        
Isn't there a chicken head on the "Big Ed's Gas Farm" sign?  Or is it
a whole chicken?

   32. Lumber trucks

   33. Signs
         Mar-T/RR Diner
         Big Ed's Gas Farm
         Wallies Hide-out
         others?  (convenience store?)

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Poetry ends like a rope" --Jack Spicer

In <jms.4071@vanth.UUCP> jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:


> >Also, I'm pretty sure that somewhere in the UFO abduction literature
> >there's at least one reference to an abductee being shown a black box, with
> >the idea being implanted in her memory that "I'll know what to do with it
> >when the time comes."  Quite a few abductees seem to have the impression
> >that they've been programmed to act upon something in the near future.

Also, don't forget the "black box" of pain that Paul Muad'Dib must
face in Dune.

sj

In article <1991Apr15.153824.23535@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:

   In article <10360@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> russelrd@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (MattBrockman) writes:
   >In article <1991Apr14.191355.13625@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
   >>Why are you sure its an eclipse and not  the moon being eclipsed by the
   >>earth, creating the phases of the moon?
   >
   >The phases of the moon are NOT caused by the moon being eclipsed by
   >the earth. This happens only rarely and is called a Lunar Eclipse.
   >
   >The phases of the moon are just how much of the light side
   >of the moon we see compared to how much of the dark side
   >we see.

   Actually this has bugged me for a while.  What makes the moon light?  -
   reflecting sun light. What causes the dark side?  - as far as I know it
   is the earth interfering with the light getting to the moon. Technically
   not an eclipse I guess, but very similar in effect - one planetary body 
   interfering with the light coming off another body.

   ann

No, the dark side of the moon is caused by the *moon* interfering with
the light getting to the moon.  That is, the light is coming from the
sun, it gets to the moon, lights up one side.  The moon is a sphere, so
we can only see half of it and the sun only lights half of it.  This is
not necessarily the same half, depending on the relative positions of
the earth, sun, and moon, which is why we see phases of the moon.

If this is still confusing, take a ball, hold it near a light, and
notice that the light can only reach half of the ball, the other half is
shaded by the ball itself.  If you look at the ball from different
positions, you will see different combinations of light and dark.

Note that the lighting of the moon requires only two bodies, the moon
and the sun.  The phases require an observer, but not a third body.  An
eclipse, on the other hand, is, as you say, caused by one body
interfering with the light from another body to a third body.

Muffy

In article <kc1uOVi00VsnI4ee0x@andrew.cmu.edu> bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) writes:
> >This is an attempt to identify the important things that a really sexy
> >Grand Unified Theory of Twin Peaks would have to address (not only
> >address, but hopefully tie together in an elegant fashion).  At the
> >moment I'm offering no answers, only a possible set of things to be
> >answered.  A path is formed by laying one stone at a time...

Here are some very speculative answers to a few of the questions...

> >Who is the Giant?

The Giant appears to be some sort of helpful entity.  Some New Age
philosophies believe that there are "Space Brothers" who appear to people
to warn them of the impending destruction of the Earth is mankind doesn't
change its evil ways.  Sometimes they offer to evacuate believers when the
end comes.  There are also stories from some of the more radical UFOlogists
such as John Lear, John Grace, and Bill Cooper that there is a war between
two types of entities: the small grey aliens that abduct people, and the
tall blond-haired aliens who are more of a "Space Brother" type of race.
The Blonds are usually said to be unwilling to physically intervene in the
Greys actions on earth, but they do try to warn us.  Both species of aliens
are sometimes credited with extremely strong psychic powers, including the
ability to materialize and dematerialize themselves and other objects
without the aid of their spacecraft.

> >What did BOB have to do with Josie's death?

Maybe he wasn't directly involved, maybe he was just lurking around and
decided to pop up and taunt Cooper.  No real reason for believing this,
just speculation...

> >If Josie's spirit is still around, then are the spirits of other
> >recently deceased people (esp. Laura) still around?

Could be.  For instance, the name "Ghostwood" suggests that there could be
a lot of spirits hanging around.  But I don't know whether it means spirits
of deceased people, or independant evil spirits.  Remember that the
Bookhouse Boys are apparently intended to fight some unspecified evil which
lurks in the woods.

> >Why did Cooper dream about Tibet?

He's always been fascinated by Tibetan metaphysics, it seems, so it isn't
so unreasonable that the subject would enter his dreams occasionally.
(Some beliefs also place the White Lodge, or at least the earthly
manifestation of it, in that region.)

> >What does Twin Peaks have to do with Project Blue Book?

Maybe there's an underground alien base (or two) nearby, maybe the region
was visited by aliens in the past, maybe a lot of the residents are
abductees.  (I don't know if the abduction phenomenon was well-known at the
time of Bluebook.  Perhaps the Hill case was the only well-known case then.
Remember that Betty Hill could recall a star chart showing the aliens' home
when she was hypnotized.  Major Briggs also seems to have seen the Owl Cave
drawing somewhere before.)

> >What is the effect of Halperidol?

I think it's an anti-psychotic drug.  On a recent "20/20", the girl who was
posessed was being treated with it.

> >What is the full meaning of MIKE's poem?

An incantation for travelling between dimensions, or in time?

> >What ritual occurred in the traincar?

Maybe something was summoned and is still at large?  I originally thought
BOB was summoned by it, but it seems that he was there all along.  Could
there be entities we haven't met yet?

> >What's special about Cooper, Briggs, and Margaret, vis a vis their
> >ability to commune with the supernatural?

Briggs and Margaret seem to be abductees, maybe Cooper is just
exceptionally pure of heart?  "The Gifted, and the Damned..."

> >Cooper asks the Giant, "Where do you come from?" and the Giant
> >responds, "The question is, where have you gone?"  Does
> >this imply that Cooper himself is transported elsewhere
> >during his visions (as opposed to his visions coming to him).

Before things took a UFOlogical turn, I favored the theory that there were
two universes (dimensions, whatever...) and they overlapped at certain
times.Whether this overlap is a natural, periodic thing or something that
has to be induced (via magick?) I don't know.

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In article <1991Apr12.081752.6385@odin.corp.sgi.com> bam@rudedog.asd.sgi.com (Brian McClendon) writes:
> >
> >On CNN Headline News tonite (before the 9pm episode), they
> >announced that ABC had again cancelled TP and that tonite's (4/11)
> >episode would be the last.  In June, two more episodes would
> >be combined in to some sort of 2 hour finale.
> >
> >1) During the hiatus, we were told there were 6 more episodes.  I 
> >   have now seen three: 3/28, 4/4, and 4/11.  2 more hours make
> >   5 total.  Are we getting ripped off for an episode?

NO! because there will be a 4/18 episode. What worries me is that when
those 6 were made, they didnt know that it was being canceled. So unless
they remake the last episode a lot of our questions will not be answered.
And if they do remake the lase episode, I bet it will be a real mess.
> >
> >2) Does anyone know what the real odds are of TP getting picked up
> >   by Fox, BBC, or some independent/European production house?

I dont know, but we can all hope!
> >

In article <wc1q6cC00aw3AKRoAB@andrew.cmu.edu> jp4t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jean-Luc H. Park) writes:
> >I missed the last show, but if the symbol was something like
> >
> >             \    |
> >             /    |
> >            --------
> >    |
> >    |
> >
> >
> >Then that might be Jupiter, ( I don't really recall) but it does remind
> >me of one of the planets.  If someone there has studied Astronomy, or
> >roman history that might help.
> >
> >I know it's not earth, Mars or Venus, nor is it pluto or Neptune.  Now
> >if we assume that it is Jupiter, The king of the gods, what then?
> >

I just happen to have an astronomy major in my office. She got out an old
text book. EXPLORATION OF THE UNIVERSE by George Abell. Acording to it
that is very difintily a sybol for Jupiter.

Laura Floom

In article <1991Apr11.225018.28325@odin.corp.sgi.com>, lara@yorgi.csd.sgi.com (Lara Allen) writes:
> > I was under the impression that Coop had never seen Bob before...
> >   only the giant and the dancing dwarf
> > 
> > so, why is it that Coop instantly knew it was Bob holding Josie?
> > 
> > (or is this one of those 'dont ask' questions?)
> > thanks
> > lara

Of course he saw BOB before.  In his dream with MIKE with the poem about
FIRE WALK WITH ME and stuff about living above a convenience store.  I'm
sure there are other instances, but I get them confused as to who actually
had what vision so I'll quit while I'm ahead.

--Cool Bean
-- **This is not cultural.

In article <1991Apr14.072025.14484@neon.Stanford.EDU>, sellis@neon.Stanford.EDU (Steven Clay Ellis) writes:
> > 
> > Actually, I believe that Stanford has the world's largest collection
> > of Rodin sculpture (the collection includes _The Thinker_). 
> > 
The problem with Rodin is that there are castings of his stuff everywhere. There
is also a Thinker in Baltimore, and I think at the Tate in London. I was very
disappointed when I found this out, but now I don't think it's so bad. This way
more people get to enjoy them. Once you cast a sculpture, I guess it's impossible
to say where the original is.



-- Terry Monks Automata Design Inc (703) 472-9400

In article <70882@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> riacmt@ubvmsa.cc.buffalo.edu writes:

> >Actually, there is a wonderful book called (I think) "Communicating
> >about Wine" or "The Language of Wine" or something like that.  

"Wine and Conversation" by Adrienne Lehrer.

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Poetry ends like a rope" --Jack Spicer

Some of your postings remind me of a story I once read called, "The Nine
Million (or was it Billion) Names of God", by Arthur C. Clark.  It was
about these monks in Tibet who hire a computer company to find these
names of God using some ancient alphabet.  Anyway, when the computer 
ran the last name, the world ended.  "One by one the stars went out."

Could BOB be a name for God?  Could the black and white lodge somehow
be connected to those who created us?  Jupiter was very key in other
Clark stories.  Maybe the owls are really big black boxes.

Oh, and BTW, is there or is there not an episode this week?

--Cool Bean
-- **This is not cultural.

In article <1991Apr15.153824.23535@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >Actually this has bugged me for a while.  What makes the moon light?  -
> >reflecting sun light. What causes the dark side?  - as far as I know it
> >is the earth interfering with the light getting to the moon. Technically
> >not an eclipse I guess, but very similar in effect - one planetary body 
> >interfering with the light coming off another body.

Actually, the part of the moon that is currently dark
is dark because the other half of the moon is blocking 
the sunlight, not the earth. It is just like night on
earth, it is dark 'cause the sun's on the other side of 
it.

-Matt
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In article <1991Apr15.163445.21607@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> slg20427@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (^ Windom Earle ^) writes:
> >I also thought it was funny when Hawk brought Leo's arrest record
> >to Cooper.  Cooper gives an ecstatic "Good work, Hawk."  He brought him a 
> >police file.  Dale seemed to think it was quite a task though.

Well, we all know how Hawk feels about paperwork. :-)

-Matt
....
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..
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In article <5882@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes...
> >In article <10531@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600koga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Jeffrey Koga) writes:
>> >>**SPOILERS ABOUND FOR THOSE HERE AND IN EUROPE**
> > 
>> >> 18.  Light fixtures/lightbulbs on the ceiling:
>> >>Sheriff's Office light when Eric Powell is found, and
>> >>Leo/Shelley Johnson's ceiling light when Leo awakens
> > 
> >        Sputtering light in coroner's office when Coop inspects
> >          Laura's body (pilot).
> > 
>> >> 19.  Animal heads:
> >        
> >Isn't there a chicken head on the "Big Ed's Gas Farm" sign?  Or is it
> >a whole chicken?
> > 
> >   32. Lumber trucks
> > 
> >   33. Signs
> >         Mar-T/RR Diner
> >         Big Ed's Gas Farm
> >         Wallies Hide-out
> >         others?  (convenience store?)
> > 

    34.  Black and white (not to be confused with light and dark)

    35.  Poetry -
          MIKES's poems (Fire walk with me, His name is BOB)
          BOB's poem (I'll catch you in my death bag)
          Shakespeare (Shall I compare thee to ..., poetic lines from R&J)
          Yeats (Love comes in at the eye...)
          Shelley (fragment of "Love's Philosophy" sent by Cooper to 
          Caroline and from WE to Audrey, Donna, and Shelley)
          Pete's doggerel (Limerick, Ode to Josie)

Isn't it obvious that the black box and at least some of the petraglyphs
are a timing thing?  I'd suspect "something" is going to happen on a 
particular date.  Probably the locations/entrances to the Lodges will 
be revealed or at least accessible on a particular night.  WE to the 
Black Lodge and Cooper to the White.  Shades of Gandalf/Saruman.

In article <1991Apr15.153824.23535@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >Actually this has bugged me for a while.  What makes the moon light?  -
> >reflecting sun light. What causes the dark side?  - as far as I know it
> >is the earth interfering with the light getting to the moon.

Not exactly.  The light side of the moon is the side facing the sun, the
dark side is the side facing away from the sun.  As the moon orbits the
Earth, we see it from different angles and thus see different proportions
of its sun-facing and sun-away sides.

When the moon is between the Earth and the sun, we can't see the lit side
at all; when it's on the far side of the Earth, we see the full face (full
moon).  When it's "beside" the Earth, we see half-lit and half-unlit.

Lunar eclipses, on the other hand, occur when the full moon (on the far
side of the earth from the sun) happens to pass through the Earth's conical
shadow.  Solar eclipses occur when the moon passes between the Earth and
the Sun, and the moon's conical shadow hits the Earth wherever you happen
to be.

P.S. We missed you at the last Twin Peaks party, Ann!  Hope to see you at the
next (last?) one!
-- Bernie Roehl, University of Waterloo Electrical Engineering Dept Mail: broehl@sunee.waterloo.edu OR broehl@sunee.UWaterloo.ca BangPath: {allegra,decvax,utzoo,clyde}!watmath!sunee!broehl Voice: (519) 885-1211 x 2607 [work]

In article <1991Apr15.163445.21607@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> slg20427@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
(^ Windom Earle ^) writes:
> >
> >        Did Leo Johnson write out his own arrest report?  Or do they just
> >happen to have copies of creative writing from Leo's high school days?  What
> >did Cooper compare Shelly's note with to make sure it was Leo's writing?
[deletions]

I think we are meant to assume that it is a 'statement' written by Leo about
the events which led to his arrest. It's not out of the question that he would
be asked to write it out rather than dictate it and initial a transcription.
The TP sheriff's office seems to be somewhat ideosyncratic in its approach to
law enforcement :-)
 
> >-Steven Greco

-Rich Haller

In article <1991Apr15.134459.21434@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> krol@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Ed
Krol) writes:
> >I haven't seen much conjecture about the telegram JJW got when
> >he was talking love to Coop at the fireplace.  My immediate
> >thought was that it was a Wyndham Earle setup, but thinking 
> >about it I saw no reason for that.  Something made him move fast.
> >

I assumed it was from Audrey. However, it could also be from WE pretending to
be Audrey and decoying him off to where WE can grab him.

-Rich Haller

Hi,
I think that TP may be axed by ABC as here in the UK rumors abound
that D Lynch is planning to make the new series in Scotland. This was reported 
on local TV in Scotland about 2 weeks ago and Lynch was interviewed.

-- Automatic Disclaimer: The views expressed above are those of the author alone and may not represent the views of the IBM PC User Group.
--

Luis Ramos writes:
> >The tatoos found on Maj. Briggs and the Log Lady were actually brands. The
> >Cattle Ranchers of the Sky [Aliens] have been branding people to indicate 
> >which ranch a person belongs to [Have you checked your birthmarks recently]. 

I don't know if this is true [doubtful], but like vampire owls, it has
that certain indefinable something which marks it as true to the 
SCREWBALL REALITY of Twin Peaks. True Imagination. Congratulations,
Mr. Ramos. Most speculation of this sort sank away after Leland
sputtered and splattered...

-- davis@keats.ca.uky.edu Is this a long trip or a short trip?

This is very long; I believe it to be interesting reading, though.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

So, what's going on?  Here's my theory; some people may recognize elements
of it from a posting I made in October of last year, which postulated that a
supernatural element might be present in Twin Peaks:

HISTORY...

A long, long time ago there came to be a place similar to what
Windom Earle described to Leo.  This place, the "white lodge", is inhabited by
a variety of creatures; the Giant, the Dwarf, many others.  It is analogous
to "heaven".

The "black lodge" is in all ways the opposite of the white lodge; it is
analogous to "hell", and is also inhabited by all manner of creatures (the
owls, for example, who are most definitely "not what they seem").

The world as we know it exists, if you will, "between" these two domains.
One particular place in our real world, Twin Peaks, is a nexus of sorts
between the two "lodges"; the two mountains symbolize, and in some
metaphysical sense "contain", the white and black lodges.

These two "lodges" are constantly battling for power over the "real" world,
and much of their combat over the course of several millenia has been in the
vicinity of the nexus, the town we call Twin Peaks.  

In ancient times, humans in the area discovered this nexus, and recorded their
discoveries in the form of a petroglyph in what we now call Owl Cave.  It is
intended to be a road map of sorts, to help people find their way in relation
to these other worlds.

At some point, it was decided that the petroglyph must be hidden under a
layer of rock, perhaps to prevent those who wished to join the black lodge
from doing so.  The clues to how to reveal it are periodically given out
to humans, by taking those humans and branding them with crucial bits of
information.  Those who are worthy will see the pattern, and use it to
guide the quest for the petroglyph.  Cooper is one of the worthy.
The brands are indeed the question, the petroglyph being the answer.

Unfortunately, Windom Earle, drawn to the black lodge's secrets and power,
has also found the petroglyph.  Both Cooper and Earle are trying to decipher
the petroglyph, and learn its secrets.

THE PETROGLYPH

The petroglyph shows the mountains containing the Lodges (with whorls inside
them that indicate the power that the two Lodges represent).  It also shows
the waterfall between the mountains, that marks the Doorway to this other
plane of reality; the waterfall is a recurring symbol in the series, and
for good reason.  Remember, that's where Mike Gerrard headed when he felt
the need to go after BOB.

The petroglyph also shows, on one side of the mountain peaks, a Giant and
a Dwarf; this confirms that they are on "the side of" Good.

You'll also notice a circle of trees on the side of Good.  Trees and wood
are very, very important: wood is a symbol of the white lodge, while fire
represents the black lodge...

Fire is the natural enemy of wood.  Wood is something which grows, and which
humans use to build things.  Fire destroys both the work of nature and the
works of man.  Growth vs Destruction, Order vs Chaos, Good vs Evil.

References to wood:

Margaret (the Log Lady) believes the soul of her husband to be
contained in the log

Josie's spirit is contained in the wooden knob of the nightstand

Laura Palmer was tormented by Bob, but was safe while nestled at
the base of a giant redwood tree (this from her diary)

Harold Smith was safe inside his wooden house, and feared going
outside.

Margaret invited the officers into her log cabin, because the owls
could not see or hear what transpired within

The Great Northern is a wooden structure built right over the
absolute nexus of power (but note that it contains *many* owl-icons)

The Major sitting on a throne in a green, forest-like area

The Ghostwood project is aptly named; the spirits of the Owl's
victims are encased in wood

References to fire:

The "Fire walk with me" incantation is strongly associated with
characters on the side of the black lodge

Fire is what killed Margaret's husband

A burning smell is associated with the presence of BOB

Many religions think of hell as a place of fire

Ben Horne, now reformed and on the side of the white lodge,
is protecting the woods; before he reformed, he helped to engineer
the mill fire

The circle of trees in the petroglyph might thus represent a circle of
safety, a defense again the forces of the black lodge.

(An aside: it is possible that all four of the original "elements" are
involved; wood on behalf of Earth, winged owls representing the Air,
as well as the recurring presence of Fire and of Water.  Consider the
death of Leland Palmer was accompanied by his being drenched in water
from the sprinkler system; many mythologies say spirits cannot cross
running water.  Consider the Waterfall as a doorway through which only
those of the white lodge may pass, a sort of selective filter.  Perhaps
it was set up by white magicians in eons past to contain the black lodge
(and the white one as well)).

The petroglyph contains, in short, all the information needed to connect
with the Lodges.

THE LODGES AND US

How do these "lodges" relate to our world?

Well, in ancient times, humans worshipped one or the other of the two lodges.
In a sense they "belonged" to either the white lodge or the black lodge;
"belonged" in that they committed their soul to one lodge or the other.

The two lodges would compete for followers; the white lodge would offer
peace, goodness, and harmony with nature, while the black lodge offered
power, power and more power.  Representatives of the black lodge gained
considerable power from claiming the souls of those who were basically
innocent, and so they would prey upon such people the way an owl preys
upon its next meal.  Indeed, in a sense the "owls" depended for their
very sustenance upon the souls of innocents; perhaps it is from those
innocents that the power of the black lodge derives.

In joining the black lodge, ritual and incantation are important...

    Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see;
    One chants out between two worlds, "Fire, walk with me"

If one is a "magician", wishing to find ("to see") the power and seize it,
they must choose the path of fire.  They must choose between two worlds,
and invoke Fire to walk with them.

Times changed.  Science displaced mythology, and the power of both lodges
began to fade.  Over the centuries, however, they still gained the occasional
follower or two.

Certain individuals are "Gifted", and in tune with the harmonies of the
white lodge.  Others are "Damned", drawn inexorably towards the black
lodge.  Still others are somewhere in between, and are gradually claimed
by one or the other; I will call these the "Innocent".

Some time ago, the being we call MIKE was drawn to the black lodge.
He learned its secrets, and became a very powerful entity.

BOB was also drawn there, for similar reasons, and he and MIKE spent
some time killing for pleasure and power, and finding new hosts for other
wandering spirit-entities.

MIKE left, however, and was changed when he saw the face of god.  He can
never be part of the white lodge, but will do what he can to fight
the black lodge (and BOB in particular).

BOB took over Leland Palmer; when asked if he wanted to play with Fire,
Leland answered "yes".  BOB later tried to lure Laura over (the candles,
mound of earth and the paper (with the incantation) that were found in
the train car).

In choosing to walk with Fire, a destructive force, an Innocent rejects the
calm comfort of the Forest, the woods, the trees, the birds, the things
Windom Earle found so vile.

(As an aside, note that the red-curtained room in Cooper's dream is an
aspect of the white lodge; the Dwarf (the Man from Another Place) and
his cousin, the the Laura Palmer look-alike, are denizens of the white
lodge.  Remember the reference to "here there is music all the time"
and references to birds singing?  Similar to what Windom Earle describes.
Also remember the winged figure that passed by, outside the red curtains;
an Owl, kept out of the white lodge.)

How do the forces of the lodges operate?  They can operate in an overt way,
through inhabiting the bodies of humans and taking over their actions.  They
can also operate in a subtle way, taking advantage of someone's weakness to
guide their actions.

THE INNOCENTS

The local townsfolk, being neither Gifted nor Damned, are oblivious to
all that transpires around them; these Innocents can either become victims
of the Damned, or can be rescued by those who are Gifted.

The forces of the black lodge are always trying to have their way with
Innocents: Harold Smith knew he was a potential victim of the black lodge,
and retreated into his wooden house to be forever safe from the spirit-entities
he knew awaited him; he eventually resorted to suicide to escape them.

Annie had an encounter with someone while in her senior year
of high school, someone who tried to draw her into the ways of the black
lodge; like Harold Smith, she saw suicide as her only way out.  Failing
that, she retreated into a convent the way Harold retreated from the world.

Ben Horne was unknowingly drawn into the darkness, but has since seen
the light.

THE GIFTED... AND THE DAMNED

The ongoing struggle between the lodges has made Twin Peaks the focus
of some very unusual things; in recent times, the odd goings-on in the
Twin Peaks vicinity attracted the attention of Project Blue Book, which
was attempting to find signs of alien intelligence.  Instead they found
the strange signals from the woods.  The Major, being Gifted, and Windom
Earle, being damned, both sensed something in the signals that was beyond
the perception of those around them.

Cooper is Gifted.  The Gifted and the Damned are both drawn towards
Twin Peaks by the forces of their respective lodges; thus Cooper, Earle,
the Major and others arrive in Twin Peaks.  Cooper and Earle, without
consciously understanding why, are drawn to chess (a combat of white
pieces and black pieces) as a metaphor for their struggle.

Remember, "the Owls are not what they seem" -- they can appear as many things;
this is equally true of Windom Earle.  As others have pointed out,
"Windom Earle" is an almost perfect anagram for "Owl in dream".

Windom Earle, being Damned, reacted to the power of the black lodge
by being drawn into it while working for Project Blue Book.  He may
have had the same dreams the Major did, picking up images of a petroglyph
he'd never seen.  He eventually chose to "walk with fire" and became the
new home for a BOB-like entity.  His actions in Pittsburg were those of
his inhabiting spirit; this is how BOB knew about them.

What of the Tremonds?  They are clearly representatives of the white lodge,
who tried to help Laura while she was on her meals-on-wheels route.

The white horse?  Another symbol of the white lodge.

The black box?  Time will tell...

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Answers to some questions posted here earlier:

> >Who is BOB?
BOB is just one of a number of spirit-enties emanating from the black lodge.
 
> >Who is the Giant?
One of the spirit-entities emanating from the white lodge.

> >Who is MIKE (and where is he)?
Mike is a black lodge spirit-entity that has seen the light and been
purified.

> >What happened to Josie, including her missing body weight?
Her spirit merged with a nearby wooden object at the time of her death,
just as Margaret's husband did.

> >What did BOB have to do with Josie's death?
Nothing... but he knew what happened, and was there to gloat.  His power
is limited in the Great Northern, built as it is out of wood from the forest.

> >If Josie's spirit is still around, then are the spirits of other
> >recently deceased people (esp. Laura) still around?
Yes, I believe so.  I believe Laura briefly manifested herself through
Maddy, and also through Donna.

> >What are the owls?
Spirit-entities from the black lodge.

> >Why did BOB start appearing to Laura?  Was he always (ever?) in Leland
> >during those visits?
To bring her to the black lodge; yes.

> >Why did BOB kill Laura?  (I don't buy what BOB told us in 2009.)
Because he couldn't have her.

> >Why did BOB kill Theresa Banks?
For pleasure.  (I'm tempted to say "just for Hell of it").

> >What happened forty years ago?  Is there a link between "forty years
> >ago" and the music that Leland/BOB danced to?
Leland Palmer played with fire; yes.

> >What is the significance of wood?
See above.

> >Why did Cooper dream about Tibet?
Tibet may be another nexus; it, too, has mountains.

> >What does the LMFAP signify?
See above; he is one of the denizens of the white lodge.

> >What does Twin Peaks have to do with Project Blue Book?
See above.

> >What is the effect of Halperidol?
It prevents a spirit-entity from possessing someone.

> >Why was Josie sad at the beginning of episode 1000?
Don't know.

> >Beside the fact that it just happened to precede her death, what did
> >the events at Jacques' cabin have to do with BOB killing
> >Laura?  (Cooper's dream led the way to the cabin; it had
> >to have more significance.)
Don't know.

> >How did Ronette's IV turn blue?  How and why did she wind up with
> >a fingernail letter?
I suspect that she was possessed by BOB (or some other entity) who
got her to put the letter under her own fingernail.  The blue I.V.
contained Haliperidol, probably placed there by MIKE.

> >Why was BOB spelling ROBERT (in an apparently random order)?
Not *quite* random... more backwards.  Just to spite Cooper (and everyone
else).  Also the mystical connection with reversing/inverting things
(note also "the symbol" and "the symbol inverted").

> >Laura's clinical cause of death was blood loss.  She survived the
> >Waldo attack to meet BOB at the train car.  Did something
> >besides his pounding kill her?
Don't know.

> >Laura had come to some sort of decision before she died.  What had
> >she resolved?  To confront BOB?  To sacrifice herself?
Both; to confront him, and sacrifice herself if necessary (like Harold
Smith and Annie).

> >Whatever she decided, did she succeed or fail?
A profound, even metaphysical question... I would say she succeeded.

> >What does BOB have to do with what happened in Pittsburgh?
See above.

> >What is the connection between Laura and Cooper?  She dreamed about
> >him; does this mean the connection is stronger somehow than
> >simply, "he's the investigator of her murder"?

Yes, possibly.

> >Who and what is Harold Smith?
See above.

> >Who and what are the Tremonds?
Good question; white lodge people, I suspect.

> >Was there something supernatural about the shadowed figure in the
> >woods with Leo, and if so, did Leo know about it?
> >The hooded figure from 2019:  related to the figure in the woods with
> >Leo?  How about the figure that appeared when Briggs vanished?
Yes -- I believe this is the same figure that we've seen in silhouette
in the most recent episode.

> >What is the nature of Lana's power over men?
Don't know.

> >What is the full meaning of MIKE's poem?
See above.

> >What is it about Twin Peaks that things like a high-school
> >prostitution ring can exist?  Is it just the normal underbelly
> >of rural America, or is there some evil that permeates the
> >whole town, a la "It" or "The Tommyknockers"?
The latter.

> >What ritual occurred in the traincar?
See above.

> >What is the significance of the "Ghostwood" project?  What "possessed"
> >(ha-ha) Ben to call it Ghostwood?
See above.

> >Who attacked Dr. Jacoby by the gazebo (Leland, right?) and why
> >(jollies?  I don't think so...)?
Don't know.

> >What's special about Cooper, Briggs, and Margaret, vis a vis their
> >ability to commune with the supernatural?
See above.

> >What, exactly, is the charter of the Bookhouse Boys (something about
> >protecting Twin Peaks from the evil in the woods...)?
Perhaps formed as a subtle white lodge response to subtle evil in the
town.

> >What event precipitated its formation; when, and by whom?
Good question.

> >Why do BOB and the Giant not resemble their hosts, but MIKE is only
> >ever seen in Philip Gerard?
Perhaps the spirits are seen as their *first* hosts, and Mike Gerrard
*is* MIKE's first host?

> >Cooper asks the Giant, "Where do you come from?" and the Giant
> >responds, "The question is, where have you gone?"  Does
> >this imply that Cooper himself is transported elsewhere
> >during his visions (as opposed to his visions coming to him).
Yes... into the white lodge (not so much a place, more a state of mind).

> >What was the white horse in Sarah's vision?
Don't know... several possible explanations, but very much a white lodge
symbol.

> >Why did Donna want Laura's sunglasses?  What explains the change in
> >her personality between 1007 and 2001?
Laura's presence.

> >What is Benjamin's role in the evil that permeates Twin Peaks?
See above.

> >Why is BOB accompanied by the smell of scorched engine oil?
See above.

> >Is there any meaning behind Harriet's poem (I saw Laura glowing...)?
I don't recall this.

> >After the Giant vanishes for the second time, a bright bit of SFX
> >flashes into Cooper's body.  What about it?
Don't know... don't recall this, sorry.

> >Ronette recalls Laura's murder in the traincar.  She sees BOB in
> >the recollection, not Leland.  Why, and how?
She may be Gifted.  Remember also that Maddy saw *both*.

> >Cooper tells Albert "You'd be amazed at the connection between [Twin
> >Peaks and Tibet]".  What did he mean?
See my earlier comment; Tibet may be another nexus.

> >Where is Pearl Lakes in relation to Twin Peaks, and how does it tie
> >in to the mystery?
Not sure.

-- Bernie Roehl, University of Waterloo Electrical Engineering Dept Mail: broehl@sunee.waterloo.edu OR broehl@sunee.UWaterloo.ca BangPath: {allegra,decvax,utzoo,clyde}!watmath!sunee!broehl Voice: (519) 885-1211 x 2607 [work]

A thought just occurred to me; perhaps the black box is from the Far East?
Tibet, perhaps?

-- Bernie Roehl, University of Waterloo Electrical Engineering Dept Mail: broehl@sunee.waterloo.edu OR broehl@sunee.UWaterloo.ca BangPath: {allegra,decvax,utzoo,clyde}!watmath!sunee!broehl Voice: (519) 885-1211 x 2607 [work]

In article <0PwD12w164w@halcyon.uucp>, halcyon!hikaru@seattleu.edu (Demosthenes) writes:
> > amanda@wam.umd.edu (Amanda ) writes:
> > 
>> >> In article <1991Apr13.091500.521@arizona.edu> dmittleman@misvax.mis.arizona.e
>>> >> >Final scene:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >We are just inside the doorway of Cooper's room at the Great Northern.  We 
>>> >> >see Cooper in a profile view sitting in a wooden chair at his desk/dresser 
>>> >> >staring blankly into the mirror in front of him (not wholly unlike the 
>>> >> >opening scene with Josie).  The woom is dark and warm and woody.  The
>>> >> >camera angle slowly moves towards Cooper circling around behind him.  Very
>>> >> >haunting TP music picks up in the background.  As the camera comes arond 
>>> >> >behind Cooper we can see his reflection in the mirror.  It is Bob smiling 
>>> >> >and laughing back out at him.  The picture fades to black.  "Lynch/Frost"
>>> >> >appears on the screen. 
>> >> 
>> >>      I LOVE IT!!! 
>> >>      That would be the _best_ ending!! This is the _only_ ending worthy of
>> >> Twin Peaks!
>> >>      If they don't end it this way, their ending doesn't count. :)
> > 
> > Problem: How does BOB posess him?

Through his dreams.  It is known that he is either gifted or damned, for
those are the only ones who can see him. 

--Cool Bean
-- **This is not cultural.

In article <1991Apr15.153824.23535@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:

> >Actually this has bugged me for a while.  What makes the moon light?  -
> >reflecting sun light. What causes the dark side?  - as far as I know it
> >is the earth interfering with the light getting to the moon. 

Aha, I see the problem.  No, what causes the dark side is simply the
fact that one source of light can't light up both the front and back
sides of an object.  Bring an orange near a lamp and you'll see--the
side facing away from the light is dark.

Now hold the orange at arms length and spin slowly, observing how much
of the part you can see is lit up. When the orang is directly between
you and the lamp, none of the hemisphere you can see is light.  That's
"new orange".  When it's at a 90 degree angle from the light, it's
"quarter orange".  When it's at its farthest point from the light,
it's "full orange" except that you're blocking the light and causing
an "orange eclipse."

Anyway, half the moon/orange is always light, and the phases are
caused by our point of view with respect to the light part.

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Poetry ends like a rope" --Jack Spicer

In article <1991Apr15.153824.23535@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >   
> > Actually this has bugged me for a while.  What makes the moon light?  -
> > reflecting sun light. What causes the dark side?  - as far as I know it
> > is the earth interfering with the light getting to the moon. Technically
> > not an eclipse I guess, but very similar in effect - one planetary body 
> > interfering with the light coming off another body.
> >  
> > ann

  The "dark side of the moon" is sort of a misnomer. The moon rotates on
its axis once for every trip around the earth. This has the effect that
the moon keeps one face to the earth at all times. The other side gets
sunlight, we just don't see that side. As an illustration, put a chair
in the middle of a room, and say the sun is the north wall. You are the
moon. Now, walk around the chair slowly, turning so that you always keep
the front of your body towards the chair. After one trip around the chair,
you have turned once on your axis. You have faced all four walls in the
room, all while keeping the same face towards the chair/earth. Also,
your back, "the dark side", has faced the north wall, the "sun". This
is just what the moon does.

Jeff Kouba
Dept. of Physics and Astronomy
University of Iowa
INET: jak@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu

It just occurred to me; we've all noticed that the phases of the moon in
Twin Peaks are not the same as they are in the "real" world.  So, it
occurred to me that maybe they are not the same as in the world outside
of Twin Peaks (the town), either.  In that case, perhaps Cooper will
notice this soon?  And start to interpret it?

Muffy

The following text is a transcription, copied without permission, of an
article found in CMU's 'alternative' news source, "The Student Union". 
I thought it might be of interest.....
The article is entitled "War and a 'Green' Criticism".

"(Andrew Ross, professor of cultural studies at Princeton University,
delivered the following paper, titled 'An Ecology of Images', on the
aftermath of the Gulf War and its implications for an
ecologically-inspired form of political criticism, last week at U. of
Pitt.)

<large potion of text deleted>

"My second and concluding brief example is drawn from the more
sublimated end of the images of ecology spectrum, not the best example. 
I'd like to close with a few comments about 'Twin Peaks", a TV show that
has monopolized much of the conversation of film-literate audiences in
the U.S. since its first airing in the spring of last year.  Almost from
the first time I saw the opening credits of 'Twin Peaks' I have been
inclined to watch this show about a Northwestern logging town as a
commentary about ecological and environmental questions.  If 'Twin
Peaks' is one of our first examples of ecological camp, as I think it
is, then it surely will not be the last.  One of the enduring effects of
'Twin Peaks' is surely its influential reshaping and re-imagining of the
Pacific Northwest at a time when urgent ecological questions are being
asked about the timber economy of that region.  Recent Congressional
debate about these issues has centered on the protection of the northern
spotted owl (even though it is only one of the many animal and fish
species threatened by the clearcutting of oldgrowth forests).  It is
this owl which has increasingly gotten bad press in 'Twin Peaks' since
Bob, the mystery killer entity, was involved with owls in some way, and
since, according to Laura Palmer's diary (the commercial version),
Laura's own psycho-sexual history was haunted by attacks by owls,
imaginary or otherwise.  In the light of the current ecological
challenge to the timber industry, it is hardly surprising that 'Twin
Peaks' taks place in a lumber town where the surrounding environment is
depicted as harboring threatening, evil forces, likely aliens, for whom
the owls may indeed be serving as telepathic communicants, perhaps even
the Log Lady's log as well.  The owls, we are repeatedly told, "are not
what they seem," and may in fact turn out to be benign agents in the
narrative.  Nonetheless, the environment is one in which Nature, in
Lynch's work generally, is seen as Darwinian, hostile, and complicit
with the threat to human life in a small town.

"In the light of this demonizing of the environment no sequence is more
crucial in the show than the scene in the pilot in which the sawmill is
shut down for the day by its female owner, Josie, against protests by
its female manager, Catherine.  Here, we see the spectacle of a conflict
over labor, a conflict between two women who, it is significant, are the
two people who were in charge of primary economic production in this
town.  Both commit transgressive acts.  Josie shuts down the mill, and
Catherine gratuitously fires a worker--the first and only mill worker,
as far as I am aware, to appear in the entire series.  (You wonder where
all these workers are--it's a big mill in a small town after al.) 
Neither Josie, nor Catherine, will be forgiven for committing such
transgressive acts.  Alongside the firing of the worker--the first
intimation that all of these workers, eventually, will lose their jobs,
after the mill is arsonized--the halt in production at the mill is the
first public sign that ther will be a crisis in the community.  The
crisis is generated by the death of a woman, Laura Palmer, and
publicized here by the transgressive acts if these two women.  You did
not need to be a feminist film theorist to know that these were very bad
signs indeed, and that they did not augur well for the future of women
in the series.

"In the light of the ecology movement's 'threat' to the male workforce
of the Northwestern logging industry, it is perhaps no surprise to come
across this story about a small town whose lumber economy is thrown into
crisis by actions involving women, both alive and dead, and by
mysterious environmental forces that involve owls and aliens.  Perhapps
it is also fitting that it is Josie, an Asian woman, who has power over
theeconomy, and who halts the mill, since the Northwestern timber
industry has been dependent on the Asian market for its highly
profitable export business over the last decade.  It is Josie's face,
staring into a mirror as she applies her lipstick, that composes the
first shot in the pilot--a completely gratuitous shot, but one which
suggests an origin for many of the resulting crises in the show:
femininity, foreign-ness, and dreamy narcicissm.  With a figure like
Josie in charge of so many of the determinants of the show, it is no
wonder that the masculine revenge of the show will be slow but sure
(including Josie's death), and only fully apparent after the fact,
rather like Hegel's Owl of Minerva who only spreads its wings at dusk."


Whew.  The opinions expressed here are NOT (necessarily) my own, so
please don't flame me....Typos are my own.



-bananafishbones

My mother in law is a MAJOR TP enthusiast hailing from the 
cultural mecca of Arkadelphia, Arkansas.  She is also a very 
accomplished musician who ordered some TP sheet music from 
Cherry Lane Music Co.  The music came with a great discussion by 
Bruce Pollock, reprinted without permission below, that IUm certain 
some of you netters will enjoy.  IUm a neophyte at posting, so bear 
with any of my transgressions.....


                    THE MUSIC OF TWIN PEAKS
                        by Bruce Pollock

RTheme from a Summer PlaceS itUs not.  Or is it?  From the evidence 
IUve assembled after a summer of careful watching and listening, I 
have come to the unequivocal conclusion that Angelo BadalementiUs 
mesmerizing music of Twin Peaks, as well as the astounding TV 
movie it defines, have much more in common with that 
aforementioned seminal work of top-of-the-chart-making teenage 
angst from 1960, than anyone would ever suspect.

     In fact, it is my now-unswervable contention that David Lynch 
has done nothing less with his endless movie and its soundtrack, 
than to offer up, in his own twisted image, a profoundly personal 
and prophetic vision of the music and mythology of 1960, 

when a hopeful young JFK rode out of Massachusetts, so jubilant 
and so doomed, and a Mouseketeer named Annette Funicello was 
our reigning Laura Palmer, the Pineapple Princess, with a dark side 
only a David Lynch could have imagined and portrayed so 
cunningly, so deliciously; the murder of a Pineapple Princess, Snow 
Queen, the tip of the iceberg puncturing the pristine dream of a town 
caught in 1960, an America suspended in 1960, till it rips that 
ethereal cool jazz surface of those twangy guitar nights to bloody 
pieces.

     1960 was a year of uncommon darkness in rock Tn roll, a 
darkness at every turn reinforced by the music of Twin Peaks:  
moody, hypnotic, heavy as the weather in the Northwest quadrant.  
If it never rains in Southern California, itUs because Washington and 
Oregon use it all up before it can travel down the coast.  To 
understand the desperate destinies of the characters living in Twin 
Peaks, steps away from the Canadian border, Vancouver, aging 
hippie playground of ponytailed men and women, who disappeared 
at the end of the 60Us with their homemade guns and recreational 
drugs (and vice versa), one must be on familiar terms with the pop 
45Us that reached the charts in that eerie and foreboding year, 
especially those singles which formed the basis of LynchUs own 
Northwest Sound, as brought to fruition on the soundtrack.  Taking 
equal parts Olympia, WashingtonUs own ethereal Fleetwoods, 
whoUd surfaced in 1959, with RCome Softly to Me,S and the sax-

driven, cool jazz Wailers (not the reggae group), out of Tacoma, 
whose RTall Cool OneS made some national noise that same year, 
Lynch is well on his way toward concocting his own North by 
Northwest Side Story answer to Leonard BernsteinUs West Side 
Story, which debuted on Broadway in 1958, and sent RMariaS to the 
charts, by Johnny Mathis, in the cruicial year of 1960.  Throw in the 
ViscountsU RHarlem Nocturne,S for the haunting sax line, and Duane 
EddyUs RBecause TheyUre Young,S for the twangy guitar, and you 
almost have it.  The next-to-last element is The VenturesU recording 
of RThe Theme from Peter Gunn,S a classic TV detective show of 
1960, second only to 77 Sunset Strip in its hipness quotient, the 
Miami Vice of its time for its use of music.  Twin Peaks does Miami 
Vice, Peter Gunn, and 77 Sunset Strip one better, by making its 
soundtrack an integral part--if not the integral part--of its story line!

     The final, truly Lynchian piece in my musical thesis, is the 1960 
pop charts themselves, which were fairly riddled with death and 
destruction, especially of the teenage variety.  Jody ReynoldsU 
REndless SleepS had brought forward the idea of teenage suicide 
pacts, written in blood, in 1958; Thomas WayneUs gloomy eulogy, 
RTragedy,S was already on the charts at the time of the plane crash 
that took Buddy Holly, Richie Valens and The Big Bopper on RThe 
Day the Music Died,S in 1959.  In 1960, the horrors were ongoing.  
That was the year the Bobbettes shot Mr. Lee in RI Shot Mr. Lee.S 
RTeen Angel,S by Mark Dinning, recounted a typically grisly result 

of a teenage joyride.  Disguised as old-fashioned Cowboys and 
Indians, we had RRunning Bear,S by Johnny Preston and REl Paso,S 
by Marty Robbins; in both of which the young lover perishes in the 
final verse (to say nothing of Larry VerneUs supposed novelty, 
RPlease Mr. CusterS).  In the movie, On the Beach, the entire world 
was destroyed by a nuclear bomb, with the title tune a hit by Frank 
Chacksfield.  Bobby Darin chose 1960 to revive the saga of the 
drowned girl, RClementine.S  Coincidence?  I think not.  Nor can it 
possibly pass unnoticed that by far one of popUs most tragic love 
songs belonged to 1960, bearing the title RTell Laura I Love Her.S  
Although this Laura doesnUt wind up getting killed (only her race 
car-driving lover), surely the gnarled subconscious mind of young 
David Lynch was somewhere plotting within earshot.

     Famously enamored with certain darker shades of the rock Tn roll 
experience, namely RBlue Velvet,S Lynch was undoubtedly one of 
the few who heard it in its chart incarnation just prior to Bobby 
VintonUs hit of 1962, by the Statues in ...1960.  Another 
coincidence?  Doubtful.  But neither did this tune--or any other--
have the impact that year of RTheme from A Summer Place,S from 
the Troy Donohue movie which cut to the heart of thwarted young 
love, parents vs. children, purity verus corruption, with haunting 
strings under the guiding hand of Percy Faith.  The film may have 
been HollywoodUs answer to West Side Story, itself becoming a 
Hollywood movie in 1960, a treatise much like Twin Peaks, on the 

subterranean teenage condition run amok in honor and betrayal, sex 
and violence, warring tribes and establishment corruption--the 
impossibility of escape.  I mean, why else would Lynch cast those 
two forgotten hunks of 1960, Richard Beymer and Russ Tamblyn, 
for such prominent roles in Twin Peaks, reuniting them for the first 
time since they were matched in ... West Side Story!?

     You canUt make these things up.

     In 1960 America, teenage morality and good music was defined 
by RA Summer PlaceS...a place that was safe and warm, where 
good girls all wore RItsy Bitsy Teeny Weenie Yellow Polka Dot 
BikiniSUs and dreamed of RPuppy Love.S  But a rumbling guitar and 
an insouciant saxophone netherworld existed below the surface of 
every seething dream, ready to explode in multicolored fireworks of 
self-expression.

     Twin PeaksU own dreamlike theme song, RFalling,S by Julee 
Cruise, is so cool jazzy and ethereal itUs hardly a song, barely more 
than a whisper of a theme, birdlike on the wind, more gossamer 
than The Fleetwoods, and translucent as Twiggy.  Similarly, Twin 
Peaks sustains its momentum on the dreams of its assorted sordid 
citizens:  Laura and her legion of lovers, the boys of 1960.  Bobby 
once had a dream of playing football, now dreams of taking care of 
Leo, and, not incidentally, LeoUs wife, Shelly, who dreams of 

escape, as do James and Donna; EdUs patch-eyed wife, Nadine, had 
a dream of getting a patent on her silent curtain rollers; Audrey 
dreams of bringing her Marlene Dietrich act to One-Eyed Jacks (Roy 
Orbision sang RBlue AngelS in 1960); Ben and his brother Jerry (!) 
dream of burning down the mill.  (Jack Scott had a hit with 
RBurning BridgesS in 1960.)  FBI agent Cooper dreams of getting 
his slice of the pie (didnUt Skip & Flip do RCherry PieS in 1960?  
You know they did).  In his dream he sees LauraUs killer; LauraUs 
mother and cousin saw the killer in separate visions; LauraUs cousin 
dreams of becoming her cousinUs mirror image; LauraUs shrink 
dreams of saving her from herself. (Johnny BurnetteUs big hit of 
1960 was RDreaminUS; his cousin, Harold Dorman, sang RMountain 
of LoveS in 1960.  But Marv JohnsonUs smash was RMove Two[!] 
Mountains.S)  You think all this was lost on a malleable radio slave 
like Lynch?  IUm not saying the writers used every title in planning 
their insidious scenario...let history be the judge of that.

     Laura had her own dark dreams, of course, and was, herself, the 
townUs dream girl, cheerleader, Pineapple Princess turned rotten at 
the core of an America stuck in 1960.  In such a context, the story of 
Laura Palmer (LP!) is less a murder mystery than the mystery of a 
murder, the mysterious path it wreaks through the underbelly of a 
town; and the question of who killed her is probably moot, the more 
appropriate one being, who didnUt?


     Regardless, it would be almost 20 years after RA Summer PlaceS 
and West Side Story until The Bee Gees, Saturday Night Fever, and 
John TravoltaUs confident index finger jabbing at the sky would 
come to redefine movie music as hopelessly glittery accessible disco 
trash.  But now, after 13 years of dirty dancing, David Lynch and 
Angelo Badalamenti, with their Duane Eddy-inspired, Wailers-
informed, whispery Fleetwoods-like North by Northwest Side 
Story soundtrack have given us another chance, complete with sex, 
lies and videotape.

     ItUs 1960, America, at the edge of the New Frontier all over 
again.  Wake up and smell the coffee!

                                                                - Bruce Pollock


Hope you found this worthwhile...my fingers are tired!

Barry Smith
brsmith@ames.arc.nasa.gov

> >NO! Because there will be a 4/18 episode. What worries me is that when
those 6 >were made, they didn't know that it was being canceled. So
unless they remake    >the last episode a lot of our questions will not
be answered. And if they do   >remake the last episode, I bet it will be
a real mess.

First off, if we can think back, there were TWO (2) versions of the
final episode (I mean 6 out of 6, not counting the last episode as two
hours.) This was to have an answer as to whether the show will be
renewed or picked up elsewhere. One leaves us hanging totally, and one
only partially. That brings up the other concern noted above. Lynch has
already stated that not everything will be answered in any case. To
quote him, "It would be much too depressing."

Also, it was not Lynch/Frost Prod. that decided to roll the last two
together. It was ABC's. They wanted to finish "the damn thing" off as
quickly as possible after sweeps. Plus, they will wait until the last
minute before axing the show officially so as to keep other interested
parties from any above-the-board deals (i.e. Fox, USA, Lifetime). Folks,
ABC is playing a waiting game with us, and I for one won't let them win.

Anyway, as to which ending will be shown---ABC has to announce the fate
of TP by the end of May, and the final show doesn't go until June
10.....The only question here is "Who decides the ending shown?" If ABC
does, they will surely show the one that wraps up most of the mystery so
no network will be able to do much with it, since all the answers will
have been revealed.

Mike

In article <1991Apr15.205555.6766@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:

[Re Luis Ramos's Cattle Ranchers of the Sky theory]

> >I don't know if this is true [doubtful], but like vampire owls, it has
> >that certain indefinable something which marks it as true to the 
> >SCREWBALL REALITY of Twin Peaks. True Imagination. 

I agree.  Louie, you're definitely on a roll today!  Keep it up.

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Poetry ends like a rope" --Jack Spicer

I wish I could redesign Twin Peaks.  Take the basic story ideas, run
them through the incredible mill of brilliant, crazy, witless,
half-baked, insightful and inane ideas of this newsgroup, and then
take the finished product, sit down, and do a thorough, top-down
redesign of the whole schmear.  A basic symbolic scheme--no, schemes,
plural, all superimposed--a nice structure of agonists and antagonists
(no, again, structures); in short,as the SF people are wont,
pompously, to say, a "mythos."  Not too restrictive a mythos--I'd want
to leave room for growth and surprises.   THEN write the story, once I
was guaranteed that I'd have a coherent context to work in.

Does anyone else have this sort of feeling of what TP *could* have
been?  I'm not talking about a rational, ordered, Apollonian universe
for TP; I'm just bugged by the slap-dash, desperate-for-ideas mishmash
the show has become.  Every time I read this group, there's at least
one post that makes me say "oh YEAH!  Damn, I wish they'd do that!"
But they never do.  It makes me understand fan-fic and things of that
ilk.  I wish Lynch-Frost could just turn the show over to me and my
hand-picked cabal of alt.tv.twin-peaks buddies and say "Take as long
as you need, guys, but we want to be *wowed* when you're done."

Sigh.

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Poetry ends like a rope" --Jack Spicer

krol@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Ed Krol) writes:

> > I haven't seen much conjecture about the telegram JJW got when
> > he was talking love to Coop at the fireplace.  My immediate
> > thought was that it was a Wyndham Earle setup, but thinking 
> > about it I saw no reason for that.  Something made him move fast.


I thought it might've been a telegram saying Audrey'd died... but then, 
if it was, why would he have received one? 

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In article <1599@west.West.Sun.COM> saunders@gesundheit.West.Sun.COM (Gene Saunders) writes:
>from the local weekly listing for Thursday, April 18 at 9pm (ABC):
> >
> >Twin Peaks - Cooper and Truman look deeper into the mystery of Owl Cave;
> >     Windom [sic] Earle snares another captive;
> >     romance blossoms for Cooper and Annie Blackburne.
> >
> >     (In Stereo) (CC)
> >
> >--
> >Gene Saunders | gene.saunders@West.Sun.COM | "Twin Peaks is Dead.
> >Sun Microsystems | ..!uunet!sun!gsaunders     |  Rest in Peace."
> >Views stated herein are my own .. my company wants nothing to do with me.

Geez, doesn't this sound a lot like a description of the last episode? (4/11)
Are the story lines becoming this generic??  :-)

                       --Albert Woo

In article <1991Apr16.052216.25959@athena.mit.edu> arwoo@athena.mit.edu (Albert R. Woo) writes:
> >In article <1599@west.West.Sun.COM> saunders@gesundheit.West.Sun.COM (Gene Saunders) writes:
> >>from the local weekly listing for Thursday, April 18 at 9pm (ABC):
>> >>
>> >>Twin Peaks - Cooper and Truman look deeper into the mystery of Owl Cave;
>> >>     Windom [sic] Earle snares another captive;
>> >>     romance blossoms for Cooper and Annie Blackburne.
>> >>
>> >>     (In Stereo) (CC)
>> >>
>> >>--
>> >>Gene Saunders | gene.saunders@West.Sun.COM | "Twin Peaks is Dead.
>> >>Sun Microsystems | ..!uunet!sun!gsaunders     |  Rest in Peace."
>> >>Views stated herein are my own .. my company wants nothing to do with me.
> >
> >Geez, doesn't this sound a lot like a description of the last episode? (4/11)
> >Are the story lines becoming this generic??  :-)
> >
> >                       --Albert Woo

It sure appears to be last weeks.  The write-up in my TV Guide says:

Windom Earle stays a step ahead of the Cooper-led investigation,
and he decides he wants to find out what Maj. Briggs knows.  
Meanwhile, Cooper and Annie's romance flowers, but Wheeler and 
Audrey's may be nipped in the bud when he's called out of town
and she's not around;  Donna gathers more clues about her
mother's connetion to Benjamin; Nadine makes a special
announcement.

Mark


Mark Irwin     Dept of Statistics, Univ of Chicago
irwin@galton.uchicago.edu
irw1@midway.uchicago.edu
mark@stat.ubc.ca

In article <9885@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> russelrd@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (MattBrockman) writes:
> >In article <1991Apr8.174636.10692@odin.corp.sgi.com> charles@bravo.corp.sgi.com (Charles Eischen) writes:
>> >>Harry to Cooper: "So, how long have you been in love with her?"
>> >>
>> >>Does anyone remember when Cooper first saw Josie and Truman together
>> >>he said, "So, how long have you been in love with her?"  First show,
>> >>second???????
> >
> >Yes! I thought this was a great throw-back.
> >
> >I was just waiting for Truman: "Body language."
> >or Cooper: "Geeze Louise."
 
  Actually, I think we got it. Coopers' body language is a little hard to
read due to his perfect posture (?). He's head is always (usually?) held
high, he makes eye contact with everyone and his movements are almost robotic,
esp. when he submits a "thumbs up" or interjects a "I understand" by raising
his palm in something that reminds me of a boy scout salute.

 What Truman said was something like , "you tried to tell her a joke" , which
for Cooper was an obvious sign he wasn't in complete controll of himself. He
was acting like a school boy. 

 Cooper comes back with a grin and a giggle (school boy like), "I did didn't
I". That for Cooper was a "Geeze Louise". Next to "Aces" it was about his
corniest of corny lines.

 It was great full circle kinda thing. Let's just hope we don't get Pete 
saying "wraped in plastic " about Anne.

> >
> >-Matt

        Ed

In article <6BBE98F2C0C0264B@UMAECS> GIOVIN%HECTOR@ecs.umass.edu (Rocky Giovinazzo) writes:
>> >>From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
>> >>Subject: Next week's drawing/map/whatever [was: Transcript of ending for Californians.]
>>> >>>In article <19FC44D160C02014@UMAECS> GIOVIN%PRIAM@ecs.umass.edu (Rocky Giovinazzo) writes:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>[A computer screen drawing of some kind of map?  It could be drawings of
>>> >>>something in Owl Cave?  It looks like there are two figures on the left
>>> >>>side above a circle of objects (BOB's candles?) and on the right is
>>> >>>the sun.  The rest is too blurred to make out.]
> >
>> >>...I was initially
>> >>thinking that the picture was a map, and the circles might be something
>> >>like Stonehenge (in the U.S.?  I told you your version sounds better!) and
> >Actually, in Salem, New Hampshire (I think) is a place
> >advertised as "America's Stonehenge" which is apparently a similar but
> >less spectacularly large version of Stonehenge-- yet still as mysterious.
> >I've never been there so I can't tell you anything more than this.
> >Unfortunately, Salem is about as far from Twin Peaks as anything
> >in the U.S. so it probably won't fit into the show.

 I don't know about "America's Stonehenge" in Salem Mass (or Salem Oregon 
for that matter) but I grew up on a farm in Oregon which was directly accross
the Columbia River from a place called "Mary Hill" Washington were there is
an exact (?) replica of Stonehenge built by a fellow named Sam Hill for his
wife who was of European aristocracy. Sam was a rail road millionaire who
did strange things like build a castle at the east end of the Columbia River
Gorge. 

 I'm not an expert on the place (you know how you learn the least sometimes
about places right in your back yard?), but I remember being told that the
replica at Maryhill was on the same parallel as the real thing in England.
I've been there several times and it is pretty amazing. I was there (As a
matter of fact) durring a solar eclipse and once at dawn on the first day
of spring. 
 
  Stonehenge (Maryhill) is about 87-90 miles east of Vancover Washington,
I'd say it's closer to "Twin Peaks " than Seatle Washington, actually I'd
say that if I were to guess where Twin Peaks was, I put it half way between
Stonehenge and Seattle as the owl flies.....
 
    Ed

> > Anyway, as to which ending will be shown---ABC has to announce the fate
> > of TP by the end of May, and the final show doesn't go until June
> > 10.....The only question here is "Who decides the ending shown?" If ABC
> > does, they will surely show the one that wraps up most of the mystery so
> > no network will be able to do much with it, since all the answers will
> > have been revealed.

Sad.  In this view (which I suspect is correct) a) ABC is convinced
that TP isn't making enough money, and despite that, b) they won't let
anyone else pick up the show in case it does.

-- Dave

In article <865@adimail.UUCP> tel@adimail.UUCP (Terry Monks) writes:
> >In article <1991Apr14.072025.14484@neon.Stanford.EDU>, sellis@neon.Stanford.EDU (Steven Clay Ellis) writes:
>> >> 
>> >> Actually, I believe that Stanford has the world's largest collection
>> >> of Rodin sculpture (the collection includes _The Thinker_). 
>> >> 
> >The problem with Rodin is that there are castings of his stuff everywhere. There
> >is also a Thinker in Baltimore, and I think at the Tate in London. I was very
> >disappointed when I found this out, but now I don't think it's so bad. This way
> >more people get to enjoy them. Once you cast a sculpture, I guess it's impossible
> >to say where the original is.

Rodin supervised two castings of "The Thinker". One of which, amazingly enough,
is at the University of Louisville. The original -- expensive -- one is,
of course, somewhere else.
-- davis@keats.ca.uky.edu Is this a long trip or a short trip?

Joe Zitt writes:
  Tom Neff writes:
> >
>> >> Jeff Davis wrote:
>>> >> >As the paterfamilias of a Nielson [sic?] family ...
>> >> 
>> >> It boggles my mind that someone could actually BE an A. C. Nielsen
>> >> household, with the log and everything, and STILL not know how to spell
>> >> the name.  On the other hand, maybe it doesn't...
> >
> >Do they have to list what the log watches, or does it always watch the 
> >same things that Margaret does?
> >
I must say a couple of things in my defense...well,one thing...We _were_
an A.C. Nielsen family once in a Galaxy (500XL) far, far away.

As for torturing our log....heh, heh, heh...I suppose you ought to know
I work here in Lexington on COOPER DRIVE....all cement now, he is...very
flat...very wide...It was the log what made me do it...Pave the nasty
white boy with the foolish pompadour, it said....The log knows, yes it
knows...You all didn't watch ALL of The Civil War like you let on
later....oh, no...the Log knows...heh..heh...What? Coming master....

-- davis@keats.ca.uky.edu Is this a long trip or a short trip?

In article <1991Apr15.153824.23535@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >  
> > Actually this has bugged me for a while.  What makes the moon light?  -
> > reflecting sun light. What causes the dark side?  

Um, is this for real?    

If you're really asking why one side of the sphere isn't illuminated,
I believe the standard elementary school experiment involves a ball
and a light bulb.  If you're asking why the same side of the moon
is always dark, it's because the gravitational pull of the earth
has "locked" the moon so that the same face is always towards earth.

In a previous article, mon@cbnewsj.att.com (monica.t.wyckoff) says:
>> >> In article <1991Apr13.091500.521@arizona.edu> dmittleman@misvax.mis.arizona.edu writes:
>>> >> >Final scene:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >We are just inside the doorway of Cooper's room at the Great Northern.  We 
>>> >> >see Cooper in a profile view sitting in a wooden chair at his desk/dresser 
>>> >> >staring blankly into the mirror in front of him (not wholly unlike the 
>>> >> >opening scene with Josie).  The woom is dark and warm and woody.  The
>>> >> >camera angle slowly moves towards Cooper circling around behind him.  Very
>>> >> >haunting TP music picks up in the background.  As the camera comes arond 
>>> >> >behind Cooper we can see his reflection in the mirror.  It is Bob smiling 
>>> >> >and laughing back out at him.  The picture fades to black.  "Lynch/Frost"
>>> >> >appears on the screen. 
>>> >> >
>> >>      That would be the _best_ ending!! This is the _only_ ending worthy of
>> >> Twin Peaks!
> >
> >I love this too.  Mostly because we all have grown to love and
> >respect Cooper so much throughout the life of TP that to end
> >with a shocker like this would definately burn a permanent
> >image in peoples' minds.  And perhaps even PEAK curiosity to
> >such a point that they demand a sequal!
> >
I admit.  I liked this when I read it.  It gave me an eerie  feeling.  But,
if we want the last episode to answer all of our questions, wouldn't this
just be a little self-defeating?

Keith
-- Zone motifs: Rats, peeing on lit trees, Catlicks, golf, aliases, dogs and squirrels, pink flamingos, donuts, hair color, abortion, mayors, gods and goddesses, ministers and mistresses, romance, Twin and Triple Peaks, sex, greetings and non-greetings, Penultimates, Zippy, lud, power tools, and raymond

[proposed scene of Coop seeing BOB in the mirror deleted]
#>>      That would be the _best_ ending!! This is the _only_ ending 
worthy of
#>> Twin Peaks!
#>>      If they don't end it this way, their ending doesn't count. :)
#> 
#> Problem: How does BOB posess him?

#Through his dreams.  It is known that he is either gifted or damned, for
#those are the only ones who can see him. 

Hmm, that explains how Coop can SEE him, but does seeing him mean that you 
will automatically be possessed?  Remember that Laura resisted him--and 
Coop, who knows so well what BOB is, would undoubtedly do the same.   It 
just doesn't seem likely to me that he of all people would succumb.  
Perhaps Annie will be possessed and Coop will have to kill her to save 
others' lives--that would be appropriately noirish and grim!

MVB
"A man came up to me and said, 'I'd like to change your mind by hitting it 
with a rock,' he said, 'though I am not unkind.' "--TMBG
Disclaimer:  Not my planet, Monkeyboy!

I have a feeling about Annie Blackburne, that she is not as
innocent as she seems. My hunch is that she has been touched by
evil, perhaps attacked by a spirit such as BOB.  She may have
felt that evil was gaining control of her and attempted suicide
as the solution, perhaps to protect the world from her dark side.
When the suicide attempt failed she may have gone to the convent
because it would act as a buffer, protecting the world from her
as much as her from the world.
 
Like Laura, she probably kept her dark secrets from others.
She may have felt that Cooper would accept easily a suicide associated
with a failed love affair, so that is the story she decided to
tell him.
 
ann h.

Perhaps the true symbol is the diamond which is composed of two triangles
(one upright, one inverted). the Major and the Log Lady have triangles
that point upward, possibly showing their association with the White lodge,
maybe there are others with triangles pointed downward and only  together
is the riddle solved

-Gideon

P.S. Now does that sound like serious psycic hoo-ha or what.
:)

You missed one.

Food:
1. Ben Horne. He is eating in EVERY scene he is in.
2. Donuts at the police station.
3. Cherry pie and coffee at the Diner.

--  Malachi Orion Kelerison.
-- _ _ _ As I patrol the valley of Shadowless oooooooooooooooooo / ) ) ) / Death, I will fear Evil, for I am but o Hail Eris! / / / __/_> Mortal and mortals can only die. o All / ( (_/(_) \, KSC -- mok@rpi.edu o Hail Discordia!

Now, I was wondering, if WE had foreknowledge about the White & Black
loudge did he have a connection to BOB--BOB did know about Pittsburg?
Now if WE had been planning all along to get COOP is it just mere
conincidence that Coop shows up in TP to solve a murder committed
by the entity BOB in the same town where WE knows to be the site
connected to the two loudges? Coop has stated before about two
things happening at the same time being just more than chance (sorry
if I am paraphrasing this wrong). So what if the murders were planned
to get Coop there to TP?--I guess not. But what other possibilites
are there?


Could Annie be actually a spirit host for one of the White Loudge
Entities?


-- ========================================================================== ABANDON ALL HOPE, YOU WHO READ THIS! ||| sally@mica.berkeley.edu ||| Sally A. Wilson (With apologizes to Dante) ||| aka Francesca da Rimini

I was wondering how many TP fans also watch Northern Exposure.
I've only watched the show twice myself but is seems to have some
of the some basic elements (quirkieness and supernaturalism) as TP
but different. (Since nothing could be like TP)

Sharpie

  Well, after talking to the local affiliate I've found out the next Twin
Peaks episode will be broadcast on Sat. at 4:30 for the KOAT area. That's
mainly Albuquerque. Broadcast against ST:TNG. At least we do get to see it!

             jamii

-- -----------jamii@edsr.eds.com or ....uunet!edsr!jamii------------------ "Well, he certainly has a renaissance passion for exploration." Agent Cooper, "Twin Peaks"

In article <1991Apr16.181021.16922@news.iastate.edu> sharpie%netmon@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
> >I was wondering how many TP fans also watch Northern Exposure.
> >I've only watched the show twice myself but is seems to have some
> >of the some basic elements (quirkieness and supernaturalism) as TP
> >but different. (Since nothing could be like TP)
> >
I watched it after its own hiatus, and it disappointed me a great deal. It just
seems like 30something gone north.  Even the name is a Real Estate term.
(I say that w/o ever having watched 30something. I make reference to the
constant reports of whininess and self-conscious trendiness. I do not believe
there can be a more whiny character than the "hero" of "Northern Exposure" on
TV.) It has an "odd" way of telling it's story, more collage-like than
commercial TV goes about things, but that is scant help when you don't
much care for the story.

-- davis@keats.ca.uky.edu Is this a long trip or a short trip?

sharpie%netmon@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
> >I was wondering how many TP fans also watch Northern Exposure.
> >I've only watched the show twice myself but is seems to have some
> >of the some basic elements (quirkieness and supernaturalism) as TP
> >but different. (Since nothing could be like TP)
> >

I'm glad someone brought this up!  I found myself watching Northern
Exposure in awe last night.  It was wonderful!  It did remind me
a little of the style and class of TP, but in a different way.
I also thought it was good that they treated Native Americans in
a respectful way, instead of the way frequently pursued by tv.

-Dave

-- Dave "mr question" McIntyre +-----+ "....say you're thinking about a plate mcintyre@turing.cs.rpi.edu | ? | of shrimp.....and someone says to office : 518-276-8633 +-----+ you 'plate,' or 'shrimp'......"

In article <1991Apr15.151348.21819@watserv1.waterloo.edu> broehl@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Bernie Roehl) writes:
> >
> >There were 8 symbols, each associated with a phase of the moon.  Seven of the
> >symbols were zodiac signs: pisces, gemini, taurus, aries, cancer, libra and
> >sagitarius.  The eighth looked like a paw print.
> >


Maybe... maybe it *is* a paw print. The paw print... of the

PINE WEASEL!!! AIEEEEEE!!

(shrug) or maybe it ain't. Fun concept, anyway.




-- MUDname: Sidera "...If I seem to give a damn, please tell me. I would University of Delaware hate to be giving the wrong impression."

In article <1991Apr16.181021.16922@news.iastate.edu> sharpie%netmon@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
> >I was wondering how many TP fans also watch Northern Exposure.
> >I've only watched the show twice myself but is seems to have some
> >of the some basic elements (quirkieness and supernaturalism) as TP
> >but different. (Since nothing could be like TP)

I like it a lot.  I'm not sure what supernaturalism you're finding,
though.  One of my favorite moments on the last show was when Ed,
who's never left Alaska except by VCR, laid out Joel's New York dream
date in a totally garbled New York ("up Fifth Avenue to Times Square",
etc.).  In case you don't watch it, you should.




-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Poetry ends like a rope" --Jack Spicer

How about:

Skirts - almost all of the females in TP (and at least one male) seem to prefer
wearing skirts & dresses instead of pants.
-- Jeff Calhoun calhoun@cs.uiuc.edu
-- Jeff Calhoun Dept of Computer Science, University of Illinois Rm 2441 Digital Computing Lab, 1304 W. Springfield, Urbana, IL 61801 calhoun@cs.uiuc.edu

   We are just inside the doorway of Cooper's room at the Great Northern.  We 
   see Cooper in a profile view sitting in a wooden chair at his desk/dresser 
   staring blankly into the mirror in front of him (not wholly unlike the 
   opening scene with Josie).  The woom is dark and warm and woody.  The
   camera angle slowly moves towards Cooper circling around behind him.  Very
   haunting TP music picks up in the background.  As the camera comes arond 
   behind Cooper we can see his reflection in the mirror.  It is Bob smiling 
   and laughing back out at him.  The picture fades to black.  "Lynch/Frost"
   appears on the screen. 
  
One proviso. The Bob in the mirror should be Bob Iger. 


-- davis@keats.ca.uky.edu Is this a long trip or a short trip?

Wouldn't it have been great, thought, if she asked for the creamed corn???

In article <815@taniwha.UUCP>, paul@taniwha.UUCP (Paul Campbell) says:
> >
> >Did anyone else notice that both Windom's and Leo's fingerprints
> >are on the arrow that the 'pawn' was shot with? Some how this doesn't
> >seem quite like Windom's style.

Considering WE announced to Cooper that he is going to be killing
people, I doubt he's too worried about being identified
by fingerprints.

> >        just being picky

Me too :)

Linda
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