Season 2, Episode 19: Variations on Relations — April 11–17, 1991

In article <50966@nigel.ee.udel.edu>, lim@freezer.it.udel.edu (Julie Lim) writes:
> > In article <1991Apr15.151348.21819@watserv1.waterloo.edu> broehl@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Bernie Roehl) writes:
>> >>
>> >>There were 8 symbols, each associated with a phase of the moon.  Seven of the
>> >>symbols were zodiac signs: pisces, gemini, taurus, aries, cancer, libra and
>> >>sagitarius.  The eighth looked like a paw print.
>> >>
> > 
> > 
> > Maybe... maybe it *is* a paw print. The paw print... of the
> > 
> > PINE WEASEL!!! AIEEEEEE!!
> > 
> > (shrug) or maybe it ain't. Fun concept, anyway.

Actually, I read or heard somewhere that some type of weasel or ferret was
the favorite food of the OWL.  Maybe the pine weasels aren't what they seem
either.

--Cool Bean
-- **This is not cultural.

In article <1991Apr15.163445.21607@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> slg20427@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (^ Windom Earle ^) writes:
> >
> >Did Leo Johnson write out his own arrest report?  Or do they just
> >happen to have copies of creative writing from Leo's high school days?  What
> >did Cooper compare Shelly's note with to make sure it was Leo's writing?

my assumption was that it was Leo's 'affadavit?'  his version
  of what happened.  Usually, there is a form that the suspect
  writes up and then signs.
not that i'd know from experience :-)  it's just my working assumption

> >to Cooper.  Cooper gives an ecstatic "Good work, Hawk."  He brought him a 
> >police file.  Dale seemed to think it was quite a task though.
i was amazed how Coop seemed to bark at Hawk when he asked
  for the police report.
it seemed much to...cold and authoritative (sp?) for him

> >Now that Windom Earle has killed again, will Albert have to return
> >to do the autopsy?
we can always hope :-)



also, about the black box, there is a whole big connection between
  the phases of the moon and which planet is in which house.
  On any given day the moon is in a certain house and the planets
  relate to that by what is called 'aspects'  Well, actually the
  planets relation to the earth is an aspect.
i love astrology. 
regardless, i think that they were phases of the moon in relation
  to which house the moon was in.
i haven't quite deciphered the rest of it and i forgot to tape it.

Just my thoughts
Happy Cats
lara
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In article <1991Apr16.181021.16922@news.iastate.edu> sharpie%netmon@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
> >I was wondering how many TP fans also watch Northern Exposure.
> >I've only watched the show twice myself but is seems to have some
> >of the some basic elements (quirkieness and supernaturalism) as TP
> >but different. (Since nothing could be like TP)
                (or like NE)

I just started watching NE since it came back a couple o'
weeks ago (the only reason I started is because I saw the
popularity it had here).
I've watched TP from the beginning. I like TP better
but I think NE will be added to my list of good TV.

-Matt
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In <50966@nigel.ee.udel.edu> lim@freezer.it.udel.edu (Julie Lim) writes:

> >In article <1991Apr15.151348.21819@watserv1.waterloo.edu> broehl@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Bernie Roehl) writes:
>> >>
>> >>There were 8 symbols, each associated with a phase of the moon.  Seven of the
>> >>symbols were zodiac signs: pisces, gemini, taurus, aries, cancer, libra and
>> >>sagitarius.  The eighth looked like a paw print.
>> >>


> >Maybe... maybe it *is* a paw print. The paw print... of the

> >PINE WEASEL!!! AIEEEEEE!!

Well, I've been reading about this "paw print" long enough.  It is
definitely not a paw print, but a circle with four smaller circles
above it.  I took the time to freeze frame the ol' VCR to check all
of the symbols as well as draw them out myself.  


                                o  o
                              o .--. o
                               :    :
                               :    :
                                .__.

Best I could do, sorry.

sj

In article <MUFFY.91Apr15145121@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
> >It just occurred to me; we've all noticed that the phases of the moon in
> >Twin Peaks are not the same as they are in the "real" world.  So, it
> >occurred to me that maybe they are not the same as in the world outside
> >of Twin Peaks (the town), either.  In that case, perhaps Cooper will
> >notice this soon?  And start to interpret it?
> >
> >Muffy

It's occurred to me that maybe the shot of the moon we see, aren't
always from the point of view of the earth.  I mean, if you were an
"Other World Lifeform" in a spaceship orbitting the moon, the phases
would change as you orbited, right?

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Scott Frost has been touring to promote his new book about
Coop, but is back at home at the moment.  Here are some points
of interest from the phone call I just finished...

    --He confirms that Twin Peaks is doing great in the
ratings -- in all parts of the world except the part
 serviced by ABC.

    --  He expects the show to die.  It seems unlikely that
ABC will support it, and doesn't think anyone else
will be willing to pick it up.  Production cost is
about $1.3 million per episode.

    --The final episode of the season (the one it looks
like we'll see in June) was directed by Lynch.  It
sounded as if Lynch more or less chucked the script
and winged it, coming out with a pretty wild episode.

    --  The final episode will leave plot threads dangling.

    --  Lynch would like to produce a Twin Peaks movie.  This
offers some great possibilities...


You know what the treatment of Peaks reminds me of?  Star Trek.
It didn't last long on its first pass, but it started a dynasty.
Will we next have Twin Peaks, the Movie?  Then Twin Peaks, The
Next Generation?


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Paul Raveling
Raveling@Unify.com

In article <1991Apr16.031306.17862@cec1.wustl.edu> jab0396@cec2.wustl.edu (John A. Breen) writes:
> >In article <1991Apr13.091500.521@arizona.edu> dmittleman@misvax.mis.arizona.edu writes:
>> >>Final scene:
>> >>
>> >>We are just inside the doorway of Cooper's room at the Great Northern.  We 
>> >>see Cooper in a profile view sitting in a wooden chair at his desk/dresser 
>> >>staring blankly into the mirror in front of him (not wholly unlike the 
>> >>opening scene with Josie).  The woom is dark and warm and woody.  The
>> >>camera angle slowly moves towards Cooper circling around behind him.  Very
>> >>haunting TP music picks up in the background.  As the camera comes arond 
>> >>behind Cooper we can see his reflection in the mirror.  It is Bob smiling 
>> >>and laughing back out at him.  The picture fades to black.  "Lynch/Frost"
>> >>appears on the screen. 

Wow.  In a word ... wow.  I would never ... well, almost never think of this.

> >Not bad, but I personally think it's too predictable.  How about this:
> >
> >Same setting, but instead of staring into the mirror, Coop is intently
> >reading something.  We see BOB in the mirror, smiling one of his
> >maniacal grins.  Coop looks up suddenly, and we see Audrey's
> >reflection in the mirror (I always thought she had an evil streak).
> >Audrey: Sorry, did I startle you?
> >Coop: No, not at all...do you smell something burning?
> >[fade to black]

Now this is something I would never expect.  Of course, that might make me
suspect it.  But, really, I would never have thought of this.

> >Of course, someone will have to work in a way for Audrey to be
> >involved in the final battle...

She gets kidnapped by Jean & ('et') Jacques Renault's long lost father ...
Dwayne Milford (The old guy living with Lana).

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> >    jab0396@cec1.wustl.edu   |         in the heart or in the head?"
> >    johnb@hobbes.mdc.com     |                   -- Willy Wonka


Craig R. Falkenham
"Master of the obvious"

Hello Gang,
Here are the quotes from last show.  I put in a few that are 
marginal.  As someone said in a much earlier post, the quotes since
January are not as good as the ones last year.  Maybe because not as 
many are of the supernatural nature (read as 'weird' :-).  Maybe it's
because I'm doing them.  Who knows?  
My comments about the show are in another post.  No rebuttals  
yet.  My logic must be infallible. :-)  If anyone has any suggestions
about the quotes, the style of the list, etc. please let me know.

Sincerely,

charles d. kincaid
statman@stat.ufl.edu     <-------######  Correct address.  Probably not
                                         the one given above.
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--AGENT OF OZ-- 
[Cooper lies in bed in his room.  Catherine is stroking his 
head.  Andy, the Log Lady and the Man From Another Place are 
sitting around the bed.]
Cooper:Auntie Em!
Cath.:Auntie Em?  
Cooper:I must have been dreaming.  It was horrible.  We
were all on Saturday's.  Andy  you were there.  The 
Log Lady was there.  The Man From Another Place was 
there.
Cath.:Saturday's!  That is a bad dream.  
All:Ooooh.  
Announcer:Twin Peaks is back on Thursday nights.  
Coop:Diane, Thursday nights.  There's no place like home.  
  
Hawk:The man has a poor sense of recreation.  
  
Albert:Coop, about the uniform.  
Cooper:Yes, Albert?  
Albert:Usually, replacing the quiet elegance of the dark 
suit and tie for the casual indifference of these 
muted earthtones is a form of fashion suicide.  But, 
call me crazy, on you it works.

# Annie:  I lived in my head mostly.
# Cooper: That's not a bad neighborhood.
# Annie:  There were some pretty strange neighbors.

Judy Swain:An orphan, you know.  
Andy:Really?  What happened?  Did his parents die?  

WE:Cooper doesn't know the meaning of STALEMATE!  

Nadine:I think I've gone _blind_ in my left eye!  
  
Cooper:Sure fire cure for a hangover, Harry.  You take 
a glass of nearly frozen unstrained tomato juice.  
You plop a couple of oysters in there.  You drink it 
down.  Breathe deeply.  Next you take a mound, and I 
mean a mound of sweetbreads.  Sautee it in some 
chestnuts and Canadian Bacon.  Finally, biscuits, 
big biscuits, smothered in gravy.  Now here's where 
it gets tricky.  You're gonna need some anchovies.  
Harry:Excuse me. [and rushes to the bathroom]  
Cooper:That should do it.  
  
Gordon:HARRY, THE BEST CURE I EVER CAME ACROSS FOR A 
HANGOVER IS RAW MEAT, AND PLENTY OF IT.  YA BREAK AN 
EGG ON IT.  ADD IN SOME SALTED ANCHOVIES, TOBASCO 
AND WORCESTERSHIRE SAUCE. [Harry, again rushes to 
the bathroom]  IF YOU WANT WE CAN ORDER IT UP  
FOR YA.  [Cooper and Gordon smile at each other]  

Harry:What do you recommend for a hangover?  
Annie:Teetotaling and prayer.  
Cooper:Good answer.  
Harry:I'll try some coffee.  

# Ben:Sometimes the urge to do bad is nearly overpowering.

Johnny Horne:  Oouaaaahouaaaahouoooh!   (Ed note: Sp? :-)  
  
Irene:Of all the people in the world, the best and the 
worst are drawn to a dead dog.  Most turn away. Only 
the pure of heart can feel its pain.  And somewhere 
in between the rest of us struggle.  
  
Audrey:They have women agents?  
Denise:More or less.  

# Gordon:  YOU ARE WITNESSING A FRONT THREE-QUARTER VIEW OF TWO ADULTS
SHARING A TENDER MOMENT. [to Shelly] Acts like he's never seen
a kiss before.
# Cooper:  Uh, Gordon.
# Gordon:  TAKE ANOTHER LOOK, SONNY.  IT'S GONNA HAPPEN AGAIN.

Denise:I may be wearing a dress, but I still pull my 
panties on one leg at a time, if you know what I 
mean.  
Cooper:Not really.  
  
WE:Tacit agreement is acceptable, Leo.  Your silence 
speaks volumes.  Or if not volumes, at least the 
occasional punctuated paragraph.  
  
Audrey: I've examined his will Jerry.  If my father becomes 
incapacitated, it all goes to me when I'm old 
enough.  And I am old enough and he is 
incapacitated.  Play it my way either way or the 
only project you'll be developing is selling 
baseboard heaters at the local cash-n-carry.  
Jerry:What's happened to the man is a tragedy.  
Audrey:Yea, Jerry, it's a tragedy.  
  

Pete:Now if there's chessboards in Heaven, Jose's sittin' 
next to the Lord.  
  
Gordon:THE WORD LINKAGE REMINDS ME OF SAUSAGE.  NEVER 
CARED MUCH FOR THE LINKS, PREFERRED THE PATTIES. BUT 
BREAKFAST IS A REAL GOOD IDEA.  BONZAI.  REMEMBER 
THOSE OLD WORLD WAR II MOVIES?  BONZAAIIIII!!!!  
WE:AAAH, Damnation.  
Leo:Buuurrrrp.  
  
Dwayne:She killed him with SEX.  
  
Dick: Oh she doth teach the torches to burn bright  (Andy 
sighs) It seems she hangs against the cheek of night  
+ Doc:Like a rich jewel in an ethiope's ear.  Beauty too 
rich for youth, for earth too dear.  
  
Cooper:Harry, Windom Earle's mind is like a diamond.  It's 
cold and hard and brilliant.  

# WE:Once upon a time there was a place of great goodness called
the White Lodge.  Gentle fawns gamboled there amidst happy,
laughing spirits.  The sounds of innocence and joy filled the
air.  And when it rained, it rained sweet nectar that infused
one's heart with the desire to live life in truth and beauty.
Generally speaking a ghastly place, reeking in virtue's sour
smell, engorged with the whispered prayers of kneeling mothers
and mewling newborns, and fool's young and old compelled to do
good without reason.  heh, heh.
But I am happy to point out that our story does not end in
this wretched place of saccharine excess.  For there's another 
place.  Its opposite.  A place of almost unimaginable power,
chockful of dark forces and vicious secrets.  No prayers dare 
enter this frightful maw.  Spirits there care not for good 
deeds or priestly implications.  They as like to rip the flesh
from you bones as greet you with a happy good day.  And if 
harnessed, these spirits in this hidden land of unmuffled
screams of broken hearts offer up a power so vast that its
bearer might reorder the Earth itself to his liking.  Ah, this
place I speak of is known as the Black Lodge and I intend to
find it.
# Biker:  Hey man, the story's cool, but you promised me beer.
  
Dr Jacoby: What he needs right now is both your understanding 
and a Confederate victory.  
  
Dick:But what I'm trying to make clear is that using a 
stuffed animal to represent an endangered species as 
an ecological protest constitutes the supreme 
incongruity.  
  
Hawk:Maybe we'd better just whistle on our way past the graveyard.
  
Doc H.:Is she sexually active?  
Ed:Active?  Doc, I wake up every morning feeling like I 
got hit by a timber truck.    

# Mike:Do you have any idea what a combination of sexual maturity
and superhuman strength can result in.
[Whispers to Bobby]
# Bobby:  WHOOAA!!

Ben:You'll have to excuse me the chef just tried to stab Jerry.
  
Albert:Get a life, punk.  
  
Dr Jacoby:Now what she does in fact possess is a 
heightened sexual drive and a working knowledge of 
technique, anatomy and touch that few men have ever 
had the pleasure of experiencing or the skills to 
match.  
Harry:Is it hot in here?  
Cooper &
  Hawk:Yea.  

Lucy:You can't do that!  
Pete (to Coop):My students.  
Lucy:Mr Martell, Andy moved his knight without doing the 
little hook thing.  
Andy:You don't have to do the little hook thing, that's 
optional.  
Pete:Andy, uh, the knight has to do the little hook 
thing.
Andy:Every time?  
Pete:It's a privilege.  No one else gets to make that 
move.  
Andy:Ok, Mr Martell.  
Lucy:I guess some people don't know quite as much as they 
think they do.  Check!  
 
 
Pete:We forgot the weinies, all beef with the skin on 
`em.  
 
  
Ben:I give you the little pine weasel found only in our 
tri-county area.  It is nearly extinct.  
Jerry:They're incredible roasted.  
  
Andy:Once stimulated the female will respond in such a 
way that the skin around her ...  Oh My God!  
  
Cooper:Great players are either far or few.  
  
Malcom:Mrs. Marsh hired him to fix the Jaguar.  
Trooper:Jaguar ... J-a-g-w ... uh, the car.  

# Cooper:I've got four hungry lawmen out in the cruiser.  We need donuts.
  
Shelly (from WE's note): 
See the mountains kiss high heaven  
and the waves clasp one another.  
No sister flower would be forgiven  
if it disdained its brother.  
And the sunlight clasped the earth  
and the moonbeams kissed the sea.  
What is our sweet work worth  
if thou kiss not me?  
  
BOB:COOP, what happened to JOSIE?!  

Gordon:HOLY SMOKES!  WHO IS THAT?  
Cooper:Shelly Johnson.  
[Gordon motions he didn't here]  
Cooper:SHELLY JOHNSON.  
Gordon:WHAT A BEAUTY!  KINDA REMINDS ME OF THAT STATUE, THE 
BABE WITHOUT THE ARMS.  
Cooper:Venus de Milo.  
Gordon:THE NAME WAS MILO, BUT THAT'S BESIDE THE POINT.  
THAT'S THE KIND OF GIRL THAT MAKES YOU WISH YOU 
SPOKE A LITTLE FRENCH.  'SCUSE ME COOP WHILE I TRY 
MY HAND AT A LITTLE COUNTER-ESPARANTO.  
Gordon:Good luck, Gordon.  
Gordon:HELLO.  I WAS WONDERING IF I MIGHT TROUBLE YOU FOR A 
CUP OF STRONG BLACK COFFEE AND IN THE PROCESS ENGAGE 
YOU WITH AN ANECDOTE OF NO SMALL AMUSEMENT.  THE 
NAME IS GORDON COLE AND I COULDN'T HELP BUT NOTICE 
YOU FROM THE BOOTH.  AND .. WELL, SEEING YOUR BEAUTY 
NOW I FEEL AS THOUGH MY STOMACH IS FILLED WITH A 
TEAM OF BUMBLEBEES.  
Shelly:You don't have to shout.  I can hear you.  
Gordon:I HEARD THAT.  I, I HEARD THAT.  
Shelly:Um, do you want anything besides coffee?  
Gordon:I HEARD YOU PERFECTLY!  
Shelly:And I can hear you, honest.  
Gordon:YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND.  You don't understand Miss 
Johnson.  Do you see this?  For 20 years I've been asking 
people to please speak up, but for some weird  
reason I can hear you clear as a bell.  Say 
something else.  
Shelly:Um, um, do you want pie with your coffee?  
Gordon:Good Lord, I can hear you perfectly.  This is like 
some sort of miracle.  A...a phenomenon.  
LL:What's wrong with miracles?  
Gordon:WHAT'S THAT?  
LL:This cherry pie is a miracle.  
Gordon:WOULD YOU PLEASE ASK THE LADY WITH THE LOG TO SPEAK 
UP.  
Shelly:Um, the pie, she was talking about the cherry pie.  
Gordon:I heard you again.  I heard you again.  
Shelly:Would you like some pie?  
Gordon:MASSIVE, MASSIVE QUANTITIES AND A GLASS OF WATER,   
SWEETHEART.  MY SOCKS ARE ON FIRE.  


Shelly:Do you want some more pie?  A whole pie?  
Gordon:YES I WOULD MISS JOHNSON.  AND A PIECE OF PAPER AND 
A PENCIL.  I PLAN ON WRITING AN EPIC POEM ABOUT THIS 
GORGEOUS PIE.  

Cooper:Two penguins were walking across an iceberg.  
One penguin turned to the second penguin and said, 
"You look like you're wearing a tuxedo."   
Shelly:Annie.  
Gordon:I HEARD THAT!  
Annie:Wait a minute.  I'll be right back.  [She leaves]  
Cooper:I wasn't quite finished.  
Harry:How long you been in love with her?  
Cooper:Harry, who said anything about love?  
Harry:Cooper, you just tried to tell her a joke.  
Cooper:I did?[Annie returns]
Annie:So what did the second penguin say?  
Cooper:Well, the first penguin said to the second penguin, 
"You look like you're wearing a tuxedo."  And the 
second penguin said, "Maybe I am."  
[Annie and Cooper both laugh]  
Harry:Defense rests. 

# Biker:Whoa man, I do not appreciate practical jokes.

Could someone please tell me when we find out who killed laura.
 
ede682nbp1@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au

In article <1991Apr17.003904.22886@athena.mit.edu> genoa@athena.mit.edu (Jack N Holt) writes:
   It's occurred to me that maybe the shot of the moon we see, aren't
   always from the point of view of the earth.  I mean, if you were an
   "Other World Lifeform" in a spaceship orbitting the moon, the phases
   would change as you orbited, right?

Good idea, but we often see clouds floating across it...

Muffy

In article <1991Apr15.151348.21819@watserv1.waterloo.edu> broehl@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Bernie Roehl) writes:
> >
> >There were 8 symbols, each associated with a phase of the moon.  Seven of the
> >symbols were zodiac signs: pisces, gemini, taurus, aries, cancer, libra and
> >sagitarius.  The eighth looked like a paw print.
After looking at the planet symbols in the encyclopedia, I'm fairly
well convinced that the eight symbol is capricorn (drawn very
cursively).  It's the only planet symbol that looks close, and I don't
think they'd change motifs midstream.

BTW, I've been able to pick out 3 of the 4 small symbols on the map:
Neptune, Mars, and Jupiter, but there's one on the right side of the
waterfall that looks like a '2' (no, not Jupiter).  Anyone have any
ideas?
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John A. Breen                |     "Where is fancy bread,
    jab0396@cec1.wustl.edu   |         in the heart or in the head?"
    johnb@hobbes.mdc.com     |                   -- Willy Wonka

In article <1991Apr16.232200.10104@odin.corp.sgi.com> sjohnson@texas.vlsi.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:

 >Well, I've been reading about this "paw print" long enough.  It is
 >definitely not a paw print, but a circle with four smaller circles
 >above it.  I took the time to freeze frame the ol' VCR to check all
 >of the symbols as well as draw them out myself.  
 >
 >                                o  o
 >                              o .--. o
 >                               :    :
 >                               :    :
 >                                .__.

Nice drawing.

Looks kinda like a. . . paw print.  Don't you think?




-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Poetry ends like a rope" --Jack Spicer

In article <209.280c44e3@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au> ede682nbp1@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
> >Could someone please tell me when we find out who killed laura.

IT WAS TOLD A FEW WEEKS AGO.  TOAD, WHO OCCASIONALLY SHOWS UP IN THE
DINER WAS THE MURDERER

In article <C2S10BK@cs.swarthmore.edu> plummer@cs.swarthmore.edu
(David Barker-Plummer) writes:

> > Perhaps Coop is not inhabited by BOB
> >but rather is associated with him in the way that (we suppose) the
> >Giant is associated with the Old and Venerable Butler.  I wonder what
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >TOaVB sees when the Giant is around.  Perhaps a bright light.  Do
 ^^^^^
> >TOaVB and the Giant see each other?

Please, please, let's not switch acronyms in mid-stream.  The
gentleman is and shall remain:

Seno~r Drool Cup (SDC) -- Albert's appelation for him, if you recall

or

Seno~r Drool Cup, the World's Most Decrepit Room Service Waiter
(SDCTWMDRSW) -- as he has been known on alt.tv.twin-peaks

Oh dear, do I need to start a periodic posting on "Acronyms commonly
used on alt.tv.twin-peaks"?


(Apply smileys where necessary.)



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In article <1991Apr16.180016.17364@agate.berkeley.edu>, sally@eris.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes:
> > 
> > Now, I was wondering, if WE had foreknowledge about the White & Black
> > loudge did he have a connection to BOB--BOB did know about Pittsburg?
> > Now if WE had been planning all along to get COOP is it just mere
> > conincidence that Coop shows up in TP to solve a murder committed
> > by the entity BOB in the same town where WE knows to be the site
> > connected to the two loudges? Coop has stated before about two
> > things happening at the same time being just more than chance (sorry
> > if I am paraphrasing this wrong). So what if the murders were planned
> > to get Coop there to TP?--I guess not. But what other possibilites
> > are there?
> > 
There are none.  The "murder" of Laura Palmer was a setup designed to 
bring Cooper into the Twin Peaks area to do battle with the evil forces 
of the future/past.  The good forces of the future/past had to allow 
the sacrifice to bring the "gifted" physical ("time-stuck") 
entity Cooper into the crucial time-space Twin Peaks 1989.  This time-space 
area is crucial to the existance of the time-travelling denizens of the 
future (and past), as certain time-stuck physical entities (such as 
Mike and Bobby, as well as other children in Twin Peaks) have been 
bred specifically by the forces of evil with the intent of turning the 
course of "history" towards evil. Good will win, and Cooper will die at 
age 50.   

Pretty good grand unified crackpot theory, huh?  Hi Judy.

VERY well done, Bernie!  It sounds like you've got the whole thing in the
can right there.  It'll be fun seeing how well it agrees with whatever
Lynch & co. come up with.

I just wanted to add a little bit to your comment about the whorls within
the drawings of the mountains.(Where *do* I get this stuff? <g>)  New Age
people speak of "vortexes" of energy that are present at certain places.
Radical UFOlogist John Lear believes that these vortexes are related to
travel between dimensions, and that (here comes the good bit) they are
somehow related to the position of the moon.  New moon, full moon, and
perigee are supposed to be the most likely times for dimensional travel,
the appearance of waves of UFOs, etc.  This might be related to the aether
theory, or the shielding theory of gravity, or something along these lines.
Then again, it might all be a load of nonsense.

--
*  From the disk of:  | jms@vanth.uucp     | "You know I never knew
Jim Shaffer, Jr.      | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | that it could be so
37 Brook Street       | uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms  | strange..."
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In article <1991Apr15.140530.12360@pbs.org> mpax@pbs.org (Cool Bean) writes:
> >Some of your postings remind me of a story I once read called, "The Nine
> >Million (or was it Billion) Names of God", by Arthur C. Clark.  It was
> >about these monks in Tibet who hire a computer company to find these
> >names of God using some ancient alphabet.  Anyway, when the computer
> >ran the last name, the world ended.  "One by one the stars went out."

How about that stupid game with the stack of disks, where you have to move
the stack onto the next peg but you can't move a larger disk onto a smaller
one, etc.  There's a story that somewhere there is a group of monks playing
the game with 64 disks, and the world will end when they finish it.

> >Could BOB be a name for God?

Well, there's J.R. "Bob" Dobbs...

--
*  From the disk of:  | jms@vanth.uucp     | "You know I never knew
Jim Shaffer, Jr.      | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | that it could be so
37 Brook Street       | uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms  | strange..."
Montgomery, PA 17752  | 72750.2335@compuserve.com    |     (R.E.M.)

From article <1991Apr16.181228@Unify.com>, by raveling@Unify.com (Paul Raveling):

>
> Scott Frost has been touring to promote his new book about
> Coop, but is back at home at the moment. Here are some points
> of interest from the phone call I just finished...
>
> -- He expects the show to die. It seems unlikely that
> ABC will support it, and doesn't think anyone else
> will be willing to pick it up. Production cost is
> about $1.3 million per episode.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Y'know...if it IS true that only 11 million people a week watch Peaks,
according to the Neilsens, that means two things...1) More people have
seen ONE episode of Peaks than ANY ONE of David's movies. And, on the
money side, 2) It would cost each person about 11.8 cents to help
produce an episode.

I don't know about you, but _I_ would be willing to shell out my
$2.59 for another 22 episodes.


:^)

Bob Cappel
President COOP Iowa

--
Robert D. Cappel, Iowa City,IA ||"You remind me today of a small
aka "BOB", eager for fun! || mexican chihuahua...."
cappel@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu || Deputy Bureau Chief
czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu || Gordon Cole

appel@xcf.Berkeley.EDU (Shannon D. Appel) writes:
> >ede682nbp1@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>> >>Could someone please tell me when we find out who killed laura.

> >IT WAS TOLD A FEW WEEKS AGO.  TOAD, WHO OCCASIONALLY SHOWS UP IN THE
> >DINER WAS THE MURDERER

Hell no!  Toad was out in the woods having a secret love-affair
with Prosecutor Darryl Lodwick.  Bears will be bears.

BBC

ede682nbp1@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au writes:

> > 
> > Could someone please tell me when we find out who killed laura.
> >  
> > ede682nbp1@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au


Well, there are actually three possible responses here. 1) "Get a life, 
punk!" 2) "look, it's trying to think." or 3) "It is happening again." 
Which is the most appropriate? 
And would somebody PLEASE mail the poor guy a tape of the 11/10/90 
episode?

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aaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh!

The BBC have cancelled Twin-Peaks in the UK.  In its place they're planning
to show, of all things, SNOOKER!

I don't know about the rest of you, but this really gets my blood boiling.
I therefore announce the official COOP-UK campaign, and have sent in the first
of many letters to TV-Centre.

With enough backup I think I can get TP back on your screens within a few
weeks.

public spiritedly yours..........
   martin wink...................

WOW!  I nominate riacmt@ubvmsa.cc.buffalo.edu (Carol Miller-Tutzauer) for 
the Peakoid Post-of-the-Month Award for her article "RS: A Theory." 
Carol's theory goes the distance in bringing the TP saga a satisfying 
"full circle," (IMHO) and I urge Fiona to consider incorporating this 
material into her RS article.

Fr those of you who may have missed it, here's a repost of Carol's 
article:

From: riacmt@ubvmsa.cc.buffalo.edu (Carol Miller-Tutzauer)
 
Subject: RS: a theory
Organization: University at Buffalo
 
I don't know if the theory proposed by broehl@sunee.waterloo.edu
can be topped.  I really like the good-evil duality (TWIN peaks!),
White/Black lodges, etc.  This would make Twin Peaks the locale
of the twin struggle -- the setting for an ongoing morality play
in which the struggle between good-evil, heaven-hell, yin-yang
is manifest in every aspect of twin peak's existence.
 
Windom would be the primary human vehicle for the forces of the
Black Lodge, while Cooper equivalently represents the White
Lodge -- Windom damned, Cooper gifted.  The two are inexorably
drawn to Twin Peaks to engage in what Windom has been engineering
as the Final Struggle between the forces of dark and light.
Windom originally recruits Cooper to the FBI, becomes his
partner, and "tempts" him with his own wife in an effort to
corrupt him.  Because his efforts backfire (or are unsuccessful,
because the love of Cooper and Caroline is pure), we becomes
irate and "lunatic" ultimately being committed to a mental
hospital.  He plots and plans and finally escapes, setting in
motion his plot for trapping Cooper once more.  (Remember,
Cooper represents the ultimate "prize" in the conflict; "beating"
Cooper represents the triumph of the Black forces.  Windom
is attempting to change the balance of forces in the world.
Where previously, though all beings have the potential for both
good and evil, good tends to predominate.  Windom would like
the world to operate on HIS terms, black terms, rather than
white terms.  Remember:  The devil was an angel in heaven who
angered God.  God then banished the devil to hell for eternity.
This sets the stage for an enduring struggle between the forces
of heaven and hell.)  Back to WE's plot.  WE sets in motion the
events which draw Cooper to Twin Peaks -- the deaths of Teresa
Banks, Laura Palmer, and the near-death of Ronnette Polanski.
 
I really like the explanation that wood protects the evil owls
from being able to "see"; also that water purifies (baptism?).
 
Some additional comments.  Tibet is important because it is there
that Cooper discovers that there is a good-evil duality that
transcends individual religions (and religious beliefs).  This
is why there are such parallels among Tibet, Twin Peaks,
Christianity, the Bookwus beliefs, and so forth.
 
I believe the race is now on for Cooper to find (and disable
somehow?) the forces of the Black Lodge (by perhaps finding
the White Lodge first, to prevent WE from harnessing the
powers of the Black Lodge?).  Coop will "rediscover" the
Giant and the Dwarf who will assist him in his effort to
"send back to hell" the forces of darkness.  Hawk will be
instrumental as he will orchestrate a Native-based "exorcism"
which will ultimately release the trapped souls of Josie and
Margaret's husband.  They will not be brought back from
death, but their souls will be released to rest in peace.  As
a result HSTruman, too, will find inner peace.
 
So, the way I see the climax is some form of Native ceremony
to nix WE & the powers of the Black Lodge, knowing full well
that the dark forces will again someday surface in an effort
to overthrow the forces of the White Lodge.
 
Fiona -- I think this is it!
 
Carol
=====================================

Geat stuff, eh? Thanks, Carol.

__Dave

--
David L. Claytor
dlc@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us
...!hela!mudos!dlc

When the hooded figure was shown we saw an owl fly into
the figure and appear to feed.  So perhaps the hooded figure
is Bob's new host and Bob is the owl feeding on the host's soul.
The figure is hooded because the identity of the host is cloaked
(hidden). 
 
a.h.

someone, I forget who, postulated that a final battle would be fought
at the Jupiter ("4") sign. I agree, the camera focused in on it and 
the fire symbol together and just to the right of jupiter was what looked
to me to be a waterfall. This would make that location the great northern
and if the symbols represent mystic power spots may finally explain
why MIKE collapsed in the lobby.

-Gideon

In article <3628@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu> hough@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (sue hough) writes:
> >
> >  If you're asking why the same side of the moon
> >is always dark, it's because the gravitational pull of the earth
> >has "locked" the moon so that the same face is always towards earth.

Not quite.  The same side of the moon always faces the earth, but the same
side isn't always dark.  (Regardless of what Pink Floyd and Bill Cooper
say.)

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So...Robert M. Sanner didn't like my theory, huh?  :-)

Well here's another one to chomp on:

The story ends, in black & white filming, with Coop lying in
bed.  Catherine is there and Lucy and Andy, too.  

Coop says...There was this place, with this evil, terrible BOB.
And I followed the path (yellow brick road, the way to build a
path is one stone at a time?).  And I was looking for the
White Lodge (OZ?).  And...

Coop says...and you were there, Catherine.... and you, Lucy....
and you, too, Andy.

They all say.... Now there, there.  You just had a bad dream
(vision?).

Coop says... There's no place like home!

----

Ta da!!!   So, what do you think!

Regarding Robert's theory (evil-good part of a single aleph or
whatever):  Sounds like a Star Trek episode, the one where Kirk
discovers that he must have both his good and bad sides to be
a complete person.

Anyway....Just a few more random thoughts.  Hope they amused all
you netters out there.

Carol

In article <71386@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> riacmt@ubvmsa.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
> >Some additional comments.  Tibet is important because it is there
> >that Cooper discovers that there is a good-evil duality that
> >transcends individual religions (and religious beliefs).  This
> >is why there are such parallels among Tibet, Twin Peaks, 
> >Christianity, the Bookwus beliefs, and so forth.

You were fine up to here, but then you blew it.  I assure you
that Coop would not learn about a good-evil duality in Tibet,
since such beliefs are utterly foreign there, being an aspect
of Western philosophy.  It all goes back to Zoroaster, also
known as Zarathusta; he preached that there were two gods, one
good, one evil, locked in endless struggle.  When the Persians
conquered the Israelites, this philosophy influenced and modified
Judaism; the devil became a more powerful figure (though not,
as in Zoroasterism, the equal of God).

Tibetans would be much more likely to say what Hawk suggested,
that the White Lodge and the Black Lodge are two aspects of the
same thing and it is meaningless to talk about one defeating
the other.

> >So, the way I see the climax is some form of Native ceremony
> >to nix WE & the powers of the Black Lodge, knowing full well
> >that the dark forces will again someday surface in an effort
> >to overthrow the forces of the White Lodge.

And then we would have Star Wars in the Woods, with Coop as
Luke Skywalker, Windom as Darth Vader, and Harry as Han Solo.
Ugh.


--
Joe Buck
jbuck@janus.berkeley.edu {uunet,ucbvax}!janus.berkeley.edu!jbuck

alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:

> >Remember the major's dream about a big, wonderful house with
> >many rooms (clearly a reference to heaven)?  Perhaps that is
> >also the white lodge.

> >It's counterpart, the black lodge, by the rule of symetry, should 
> >also be a large building with many rooms. The souls of "bad" or
> >tormented people would end up there. Perhaps since Josie is trapped
> >in a room in the Great Northern, that would make the GN the Black Lodge.

> >The Great Northern is an interesting vision of hell, with Ben and Jerry
> >as the devil and his chief demon.  The spectacle of the devil trying to
> >learn how to be good is very amusing.

> >It would also be interesting, but confusing, if the black and white
> >lodges occupied the same geographic space.
> >a.h.


I remember some character (Hawk, the Major?) saying that you must go
through the black lodge to get to the white lodge, so your idea about
their occupying the same space rings true.  There is only one entrance
(the waterfall?), or, conversely, the the entrance to the white lodge
is in the black lodge.

--Louise

-- ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// / Louise Marks Internet: marks@skat.usc.edu / / University of Southern California BITNET: marks@uscvm / /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

In article <jms.4105@vanth.UUCP> jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
> >In article <1991Apr15.151348.21819@watserv1.waterloo.edu> broehl@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Bernie Roehl) writes:
>> >>
>> >>There were 8 symbols, each associated with a phase of the moon.  Seven of the
>> >>symbols were zodiac signs: pisces, gemini, taurus, aries, cancer, libra and
>> >>sagitarius.  The eighth looked like a paw print.

So we're missing Virgo, Leo (ahem), Capricorn, Scorpio, and Aquarius.

> >OK, so we have 

> >fish,            Pete (fisherman, fish in percolator)

> >twins,           Laura and Maddie etc.

> >a bull,          Ben?  (sexual guy (little Elvis), impregnated people?)
                  Dick/Andy?  (ha)

> >a ram,           ?

> >a crab,          Who moves sideways?  Someone sneaky?  Catherine?

> >scales,          Bobby/Leo/Hank?  (drug deals)
                  Harry? (scales of justice)

> >centaur archer.  WE, of course.

> >And of course 
> >the paw print.   Bigfoot?  Bookwus?  The evil in the woods?  Toad?

Improvements solicited.

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Poetry ends like a rope" --Jack Spicer

A number of netters have asked for a re-posting of Fiona's article  
"Appreciating alt.tv.twin-peaks," which appeared in the March 1991 issue 
(Vol. 1, No. 2) of the _Twin_Peaks_Gazette_.  Here it is:


From: fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Oceanstar)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: "Appreciating Alt.tv.twin-peaks"
Summary: an article submitted to the _TP_Gazette
Keywords: gazette newsgroup
Date: 25 Feb 91 17:59:06 GMT
Distribution: na
Organization: Citizens Opposing the Offing of Peaks
Lines: 187
 
This the text of an article I submitted to the _Twin_Peaks_Gazette_.
I sure hope you like it, because it's all about *you*!  Thanks to
everyone for your wonderful postings over the past months, and
thanks especially to Rod Johnson, Keith Dawson, Janet Swisher, Scott
Le Grand, Ann Hodgins, Robyn Grunberg, Connie at WVNVMS, Kurt Svihla,
Jim Shaffer, Jr., Jerry Boyajian, Tom Neff, and Diarmuid Maguire (hope
I didn't forget anyone) for your help in getting this together.
I'm sorry I didn't have the space to credit as many people as I
would like to have done.  I'll let y'all know if it gets accepted
for publication.
 
 
---------------------------------------------------------------------
 
 
               APPRECIATING ALT.TV.TWIN-PEAKS
 
   Copyright (c) 1991 by Fiona Oceanstar (fi@grebyn.com)
 
 
"Twin Peaks" last week was pure enchantment.  I thought
Special Agent Cooper was uncommonly poignant on the subject
of recycling plastic and saving Mother Earth.  The real gem
in that sequence, though, was when they went out to Coop's
new property and Deputy Andy got his head stuck in the
Clivus Multrum eco-toilet.  Another high point was
Donna's dramatic rescue of James from the Spider Woman---
especially that eerie apparition of the moody biker
disguised in a miniskirt.  By the way, did you notice that
Leo has three triangles tattooed on the back of his hand?
And that the llama reappeared?  But what I really wonder
about, is why the food fight started by Ben Horne (tossing
smoked-cheese pigs and Double R pies, no less) segued right
into a shot of Andrew Packard injecting himself with
insulin.  Is there a connection?  Could Lynch be trying to
tell us something about the dangers of a high-sugar high-fat
diet?
 
What?  You say you don't remember these things.  You say
they never happened.  You must have missed the episode on
January 26th, which wasn't shown in the cosmos of
television, but aired instead in the minds of some 38,000
people on the Net.  The computer net, that is, an
international web called USENET--where a newsgroup with the
unassuming name of "alt.tv.twin-peaks" goes to delirious
extremes in its devotion to the show.
 
This is how it works: one person types in a message (called
a "posting"), the message is posted to machines all over the
world, another person reads the posting and responds, and
soon there's a free-for-all of conversational threads.  You
can read them any time you want, reply any time you want.
On Sunday, January 27th, for example, an unsuspecting fan
asked "Was there an episode last night?"  Rod Johnson, a
linguistics professor at Oakland University in Michigan,
read the question on his home PC and answered, "Yes, it was
great--here's what happened..."  Thus began the thread that
filled in the void of that one Saturday night in January.
_Horror_vacui_, indeed.
 
The readers of alt.tv.twin-peaks are nothing if not
obsessive.  Each night the show is aired, they convene to
take notes, carefully freeze-framing through each scene,
typing each line into their laptops.  Then they race to post
their findings, dropping into the newsgroup's ongoing stream
of analysis, speculation, cross-correlation, and background
research.  Sometimes the "netters" chase arcane details:
The cast and plot of the Marlon Brando movie "One-Eyed
Jacks."  The name of General Robert E. Lee's horse
(Traveler).  What language was spoken by Eckhardt's
companion in the diner (Afrikaans).  Quotations from
Shakespeare, Shelley, the Tibetan Book of the Dead.  Other
times, they delve into complex esoterica:  Tibetan Buddhist
lore about "The Black Lodge" and "The White Lodge."  Chess.
Transvestism.  The distinction between multiple personality
and schizophrenia.  The psychology of rape and child abuse.
 
But the netters cherish hidden connections even more than
details.  The world created by David Lynch and Mark Frost is
seen as an infinite universe of weblike possibilities.  The
"text" of this _Weltanschauung_ is not limited to dots on a
TV screen or bits in a soundtrack.   Twin Peaks is a window
into another world--a world where associations to mythology
and pop culture weave strange patterns into what we know of
ourselves.
 
"The owls are not what they seem," for example.  This one
was my own discovery.  While browsing through the
paranormal--Whitley Strieber's _Communion_ and Ed Conroy's
_Report_on_Communion_--I ran across a discussion of owls.
Apparently Strieber often sees owls at times of strange
events, and he interprets these as "screen memories" of his
encounters with "visitors."  In an interview with Conroy he
says, "The owl has emerged as one of the most predominant
images of the whole experience, because not only am I
involved with owl imagery, so are a lot of other people who
have had the visitor experience."  His sister has seen an
owl at her upstairs window, and his neighbors in the New
York woods remember being taken from their house in the
night by a giant owl.  What Conroy suggests, is that the
image of an owl may be how we recall the ineffable
experience of seeing the visitors--who aren't necessarily
from outer space, but may be spirits that come to us in the
woods.  Spirits, perhaps, who eat the souls of human beings.
 
Another line of research--by Diarmuid Maguire at Swarthmore
--concerns the native Americans that live near Twin Peaks.
Tribes such as the Nanaimo believe that dreams and visions
give power to those who receive them.  One of Maguire's
references mentions dreams of humans with abnormal physical
characteristics (e.g., dwarves).  And better yet, these
tribes apparently live in dread of a specific ghost, who's
located in an other-worldly "house in the woods".  They call
this ghost "Bookwus" (as in Bookhouse Boys, perhaps?).  The
Bookwus masks used in ceremonies are said to resemble fierce
owls.
 
Often, though, the postings are much more whimsical: the
netters delight in spinning theories from the smallest of
clues.  Could it be, for example, that "Ghostwood" refers to
a nasty habit Killer Bob appears to have: trapping the souls
of human beings in wooden objects?  We've seen Josie
screaming inside of a drawer knob; maybe the ka of the log
lady's husband is what speaks from within her log.  Will
Maddy's spirit show up in the "Montana" picture frame?
 
Multiple instances of liquids seen in bags or vials led to a
bizarre exchange on a compound dubbed "Blue Goo"--its
putative properties (bane against Bob?) and its chemical
composition (phenothiazine?).  Other popular theories
include a notion of the Roadhouse as a portal to the other
realm, and a speculation (after the Feb. 16 episode) that
Sheriff Truman may be Bob's new host.  Conjectures ran wild,
of course, over Cooper's dream and the Giant's cryptic
pronouncements, and Sarah Palmer's vision of a pale horse
spawned a plethora of competing explanations.  So often are
such phrases as "Senor Drool Cup" and "The Man from Another
Place" (dancing dwarf) invoked, they acquire their own
abbreviations: SDC, TMFAP, WSAC (who shot Agent Cooper?),
and of course, the well-known WKLP.
 
Netters like to argue, too.  Who was standing outside the
window when Josie seduced Truman: Pete, or Jonathan?  Where
did Jacoby notice the burnt-oil smell: near the gazebo for
sure, but what about in the hospital?  Discussion about what
was said ("J'ai une ame solitaire") by Lynch's son--called
"the creamed-corn kid"--swelled into a memorable series of
mistranslations. "I have a potato under the ground."  "My
hovercraft is full of eels."  The poem from Spirit Mike was
another bone of contention: "Through the darkness of future
past/ The magician longs to see," but was it "One chants out
between two worlds," or "One chance out between two worlds,"
then "Fire walk with me"?  A net-wizard with a closed-
caption decoder came to the rescue for that one, and
"chants" is now the consensus.
 
What really makes alt.tv.twin-peaks a fun place to hang out,
though, is not so much the content as the atmosphere.  These
people have intensity.  They have dedication.  Over the
months they've generated an impressive bank of "Twin Peaks"
resources: an annotated timeline for all events in the
series so far; cast lists and credits for each episode;
answers to frequently asked questions about the show; a
meticulous description of the European film ending; a
catalog of recurring imagery (e.g., sprinklers, traffic
lights, Palmers' ceiling fan); a guide to goodies like
coffee cups, T-shirts, books, and the _Gazette_; a complete
transcript of the second-season press kit; addresses and
phone numbers for ABC and Lynch/Frost productions; a long
list of favorite quotations; and even a program that
generates "owlspeak" like that in Major Briggs' printout.
And those who have the proper hardware can enjoy digitized
pictures of the characters, and samples from the soundtracks
(Leo's voice chirping "new shoes") that can be played on a
MacIntosh.  The disc space for all of this is located on the
other side of the planet--in Australia.
 
For me, at least, the pleasure in these files, and in the
postings to the group, is not so much that I will read them
all, but the way they add a layer of depth to the show.
 
Anything to which so many people will devote that much work,
accrues an extra value.
 
Twin Peaks is a weird place.  Alt.tv.twin-peaks celebrates
that weirdness.
 
As Francis Bacon says, "There is no Excellent Beauty that
hath not some Strangeness in the Proportion."
=============================================================

__Dave

--
David L. Claytor
dlc@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us
...!hela!mudos!dlc

In article <4355@ryn.mro4.dec.com>, boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's
Buddy) writes:
> > 
> > Doesn't surprise me. When TP was first put on hiatus, it was said
that
> > the last two episodes for the season hadn't been filmed at that
point.
> > I suspect that they're restructuring the scripts to wrap everything
up.

Sorry, they didn't.  Unless someone decides to revive production
to cap it off (not likely), we'll be left without an ending.


------------------
Paul Raveling
Raveling@Unify.com

Perhaps someone else has already posted this, but I haven't seen it yet. I
haven't been reading the RS: stuff, so maybe someone posted it there.
Anyway, it turns out that the symbol in the petroglyph that has been correctly
identified as the astrological symbol for Jupiter has another meaning.

According to my old 'college' dictionary, it is used to represent THURSDAY!!!

If that isn't enough, some of you may recall my post pointing out that the
symbol could be interpreted as a reference to the number 42.  To be sure, the
two part is to the left of the part that looks like a 4, but the 4 is much
larger (significant). Some of you out there know that 42 is the answer to a
very important question. You will also know what happened on a Thursday :-)

OK, OK. I'll admit the 42 part is stretching it a bit, but I wouldn't put it
past L&F to stick that reference to Thursdays in if it didn't require a lot of
reshooting effort.  Otherwise, what a marvelous 'coincidence' :-)

-Rich ("I never could get the hang of Thursdays") Haller

Another one of those "wasn't he also in..." posts.

I was listening to an oldies station (in authentic AM sound) the other day,
and after playing the song "High School Confidential" they talked about the
movie from which it came.  Turns out our favorite psychologist with multi-
hued lenses played a teenage narc!  It was made in 1959 and was one of those
anti-drug propaganda movies (similar to the '30's "Reefer Madness").

I think I saw it a few years ago on late night TV (or maybe not).  Anyway, it's
the kind of weird thing that Lynch might make an "artistic reference" to. 

jimbo

Even though we didn't care for the fashion show a few weeks ago, the 
clothing was similar to what was presented in Paris for the fall/winter 
ready-to-wear fashions.  Some news articles from Paris indicate that Yves 
Saint Laurent had everything from gold lame' evening gowns to Scotch plaid 
skirts and dresses, closing with a Scotch plaid wedding gown.  Most 
designers were showing eye-blinding colors, *apparently* mixing plaids, 
patchwork and quilted designs.

Someone thought this was a joke about Washington people, but it wasn't at 
all.  At most, a parody of the Paris shows....  

Kay Stanley
kstanley@rhumba.acs.unc.edu

In article <5541@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Special Agent Dale Cooper aka The Bob) writes:

> >   Y'know...if it IS true that only 11 million people a week watch Peaks, 
> >   according to the Neilsens, that means two things...1) More people have
> >   seen ONE episode of Peaks than ANY ONE of David's movies.  And, on the 
> >   money side, 2) It would cost each person about 11.8 cents to help
> >   produce an episode.  

How do you figure that fewer than 11 million people have seen Lynch's
various movies?  DUNE wasn't a huge success, but I'd bet that more
than 11 million saw it.  The Elephant Man was pretty popular too.

- Dan

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In article <ue6J13w164w@halcyon.uucp> halcyon!hikaru@seattleu.edu
(Demosthenes) writes:

> >ede682nbp1@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>> >> 
>> >> Could someone please tell me when we find out who killed laura.
>> >>  
> >
> >Well, there are actually three possible responses here. 1) "Get a life, 
> >punk!" 2) "look, it's trying to think." or 3) "It is happening again." 
> >Which is the most appropriate? 

Probably "Look, it's trying to think."

You might have looked at the return address in the original posting.
This person is posting from AUSTRALIA.  I don't know how far along TP
is Down Under, but I know they're way behind the US.  I think s/he
wants to know when they find out WKLP *in Australia*.  Unfortunately,
s/he wasn't more explicit, so you didn't get it.

The most appropriate response is for someone to email the original
poster and say "WKLP is revealed in episode 20xx.  You've just seen
10yy, so you'll find out in z more episodes."  I don't know the exact
numbers, or I'd do it myself.

-- Janet Swisher Internet: swsh@midway.uchicago.eduUniversity of Chicago Phone: (312) 702-7608 Academic and Public Computing P-mail: 1155 E. 60th St. Chicago IL 60637, USA

In article <41782@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU>, jbuck@janus.Berkeley.EDU (Joe Buck) writes...
> >In article <71386@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> riacmt@ubvmsa.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
>> >>Some additional comments.  Tibet is important because it is there
>> >>that Cooper discovers that there is a good-evil duality that
>> >>transcends individual religions (and religious beliefs).  This
>> >>is why there are such parallels among Tibet, Twin Peaks, 
>> >>Christianity, the Bookwus beliefs, and so forth.
> > 
> >You were fine up to here, but then you blew it.  I assure you
> >that Coop would not learn about a good-evil duality in Tibet,
> >since such beliefs are utterly foreign there, being an aspect
> >of Western philosophy.  It all goes back to Zoroaster, also
> >known as Zarathusta; he preached that there were two gods, one
> >good, one evil, locked in endless struggle.  When the Persians

SORRY!!!  :-)  Anyways, what you state, however, seems consistent
to me.  "Two Gods, one good, one evil, locked in endless struggle."
In Christian belief we have Christ & the devil (who once was united
with God in Heaven).  In Zarathustra's teachings, we have two gods,
one evil and one good.  The "spirits" of the Bookwus are aligned
along dark and light forces.  

So.... Explicate your modifications to make the theory work!!!!

Isn't that what this whole discourse is for?  

Carol

appel@xcf.Berkeley.EDU (Shannon D. Appel) writes:

> >In article <209.280c44e3@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au> ede682nbp1@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>> >>Could someone please tell me when we find out who killed laura.

> >IT WAS TOLD A FEW WEEKS AGO.  TOAD, WHO OCCASIONALLY SHOWS UP IN THE
> >DINER WAS THE MURDERER

Toad??? Who's Toad? 
-- + John Mazzocchi + "The mind is not a vessel to be filled, + + Melbourne, Victoria + but a fire to be lighted" - Plutarch + + Australia + + rxcjm@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au +

I don't know if this is of any interest to anyone, but I recently acquired
some old Entertainment Weekly magazines.  In the May 11, 1990 issue (when
TP was still fairly new), they published a two page 'board game' based on
the characters and events of the show:  Twin Peaks - A Game For 15-20 Million
Players.

Some of the game squares are:

- Now entering Twin Peaks.  Tell Diane your mileage.
- You meet Nadine and ruin her drape runners.  She hates you.  Lose
  a turn.
- Talk to Agent Cooper over coffee.  DAMN fine coffee.  Move ahead
  five, fast.
- Leo finds you.  Go to the hospital.
- The Log Lady's log has nothing to say to you.  Move back four.
- Visit the sheriff's office.  Lucy has an important clue for
  you.  Listen to her explain it.  Go around in circles.  Then
  move ahead four.
- Get lost in those wonderful douglas firs.

Since the number of peak-freaks out there is staggering (to say the least),
I thought that maybe there might be a couple of people out there who might
want to have a copy of this.  If you can get ahold of it yourself, I urge
you to.  It's got practically everything from the first part of the first
season on it.

If you can't get ahold of it yourself, then I can help.  Send me some mail
and I'll let you know my address.  There's no cost whatsoever.  Ok, there is
a cost, but just the price of one stamp (hey, I don't know the number of
people who might respond to this.  It could be two, or two hundred.  And two
hundred times the price of a stamp is ... well, it's money out of my pockets.
And stamps are like gold in my house).  You send me a self-addressed
stamped envelope (8.5 * 11) and I will send you a copy.  Sorry - it's black
and white for everyone; the photo copier at work doesn't do color copying.

Just trying to help ...

Craig R. Falkenham
The Master of the Obvious

Tuesday AM, 4/16

Many thanks for all the supportive and interesting letters I've
read.  With only one or two exceptions (which were expressed most
mildly and politely), everyone who's written to me is enthused about
helping me write an article about alt.tv.twin-peaks for _Rolling_
_Stone_.  

As for your most insightful questions about the "guidelines" for
the project, these thoughts come to mind:
   --first and foremost, I caught a bug over the weekend, and still
under the weather, so I'm behind on my reading of the newsgroup--I'm
saving it all, though
   --so I don't have anything concrete (or cement) to say yet
   --BUT I agree with those who say that "solving" the mystery (if
that can be done) is only part of the picture--mostly, what I have
in mind is to take my previous article that was published in the
_Gazette_, expand it with more theories, more names of netters, more
hoopla, and more of that patented _Rolling_Stone_-silly-blather
(assuming I can write some of it (-:), and just see what happens.
The point is 1) to have fun, and 2) to get the article out, and only
3) to have it accepted, paid for, or otherwise lauded.  The rewards
will be in the doing.
   --I now stand corrected about the schedule, that there will be a
show on the 18th, and frankly I just can't justify not watching it (!),
so I'm bagging the idea of trying to keep myself spoiler-free from
the 11th on.  We'll have plenty of time before the June closing episode
to chatter away.

Thus, in terms of format, I see no need to use the "RS:" in the header
except if you want to just to grab my attention.  :-)  I'll be playing
the role of spectator and scribe at this show, more than actual partici-
pant, so don't expect more than the occasional note from me.

I *do* want to keep firmly in mind, though, the idea of credit where
credit's due, so this week I'll begin jotting down names and e-addresses
of those who are contributing, so I can compile a little mailing list
for when it gets to the point of double-checking who said what and who
wants to be known by what name.

Sorry for any earlier confusion--when I'm hot on an idea, I'm not always
the most coherent person in the world.  "All-inconclusive," indeed!  :-)


--Fiona Oceanstar
  fi@grebyn.com

Hey, watch what you say about The Simpsons!

The Simpsons is easily as intellectual as anything else
on the 4 commercial networks, & most stuff on PBS.

In fact, I have never seen a more cinematicly aware TV
show, nor one with more social insight.

Sorry, had to stand up for my fav show.

"Everything that exceeds the consumer's requirements is held violently"
-Thomas Aquinas
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The Metaphysics of Twin Peaks

(AKA  Another Grand Unification Theory)

I.  Introduction to the Theory

Twin Peaks allows us a look at the overall structure of the world. 
Because the town is an important structural element in the construction
of the world, as will be discussed later, a study of the town provides
information regarding the structure of the world as a whole.

What we see is that the world is essentially a two dimensional binary
dichotomy.  The two essential components of the world break into two
parts.  These different components are then interrelated to form the
complex entirety of reality.  There are other lesser dual structures as
well, which will not be addressed in this theory.

Therefore, Twin Peaks provides a peek at the twinness of the world -- a
twin peek.  (All right, this is kind of weak, but oh well.)

II.  Structures of Reality and Existence and Who Belongs Where

One of the primary dichotomies in the Twin Peaks world is the White
Lodge and Black Lodge distinction.  It is obvious from the continual
references that this is an important part of the world.  The White Lodge
can be considered the essence of "good", or "Heaven", or other such
concepts, whereas the Black Lodge is the essence of "evil", "Hell", and
so forth.  These two places are indestructible states of being and
together form the dimension of Lodge.

The second primary dimension involves the difference between the
physical and spiritual worlds.  The physical world consists in that
which has a physical, material existence. (This is admittedly a bit of a
circular definition, but philosophy can be that way sometimes.)  The
entities in the physical world can be perceived by any other conscious
entity whether physical or spiritual.  Spiritual entities, however, are
those that lack physical existence, and they cannot be perceived by
purely physical entities.  These two groups form the dimension of
Existence.

For the most part, an entity can be categorized according to its
dimensions.  For example BOB is a spiritual agent of the Black Lodge,
whereas the Giant is a spiritual agent of the White Lodge.  Humans are a
combination of physical and spiritual components, thus complicating
things a bit.  The original spirit in a human shell is confined by the
physical, and therefore can appear to have attributes of either Lodge
because of the indefiniteness of physical existence.  However, all
spirits, even those contained in humans, are associated uniquely with
one Lodge.

The "gifted" and the "damned" are those humans who have heightened
connectivity between their physical and spiritual selves.  Among the
gifted are Cooper, Major Briggs, and Margaret (alias The Log Lady). 
Earle is among the damned.  These people are sometimes capable of
perceiving pure spiritual forms and in general are more in tune with the
overall structure of reality.

The stronger of the pure spiritual entities can "possess" physical
objects or beings.  One of the favorite things to inhabit is an owl. 
The weaker spirits are forced to be confined in objects, usually wooden,
or to have no connection to the physical.

Laura was one of the gifted.  She had a very strong spiritual element
which BOB hoped to gain control of, or to at least transfer to his
Lodge.  However, she was enough in control of herself that she would not
let him have it, which forced her to allow her physical self to be taken
by the Black Lodge, first through her way of life, and finally through
her death.  She realized that that was the only way to assure that BOB
would not gain control of her spirit.  Once her spirit was free of the
body, BOB could no longer get to it.

III.  Twin Peaks and the Space Connection

Twin Peaks, along with other places, including areas in Tibet
apparently, is a portal or gate between the two sides of the different
dimensions.  The waterfall outside the Great Northern is the actual
physical location of the joining.  However, the field effects envelope
all the surrounding area.  At these places physical and spiritual, and
White Lodge and Black Lodge come in direct contact with one another. 
This causes many strange and mysterious activities to occur.  These
sites are continually in turmoil to various degrees, and the
repercussions are perceivable by anyone who looks carefully, no matter
what their Existence and Lodge affiliations may be.  However, only those
with special capabilities can understand the significance and cause of
the events.

Normal activities are distorted by the interference effects of the
dimensions.  One example of this is the large amount of contorted sexual
activity that occurs in and around Twin Peaks.  The normal beauty of
sexual intimacy, an element of the White Lodge, has been so distorted as
to be a completely different thing.  Most of the "bonking" (sp?) in the
area is not an expression of love between two people, but rather is a
twisted combination of physical and spiritual relations.

These various strange occurrences led humans in the past to leave
descriptions and explanations of various sorts, thus the petroglyphs. 
They many times formed their beliefs around the idea that the events
were caused by aliens.  Even to the present day, people have mistaken
the events to be tied with aliens, thus Project Blue Book and other
investigations.  In reality, the strong powers are completely within the
multiple dimensions of the Earth, not on other planets.  The various
planet and moon references associated with Twin Peaks are either of
timekeeping nature or brought about by mistaken explanations of causes.

IV.  Conclusion

In summary, Twin Peaks is an integral connection in the structure of the
world.  The town contains one of the joining places for the physical and
spiritual realms, as well as the White and Black Lodges.  This joint is
the cause for the strange activities in the area, and the reason for the
convergence of various people and beings to the town.

V.  Disclaimers

A.  Credit goes to anyone whose ideas I have read and used somewhere in
the above.
B.  I extend apologies for roughness of content, style, or form, but I'm
an engineer, not a writer.
C.  I apologize for any obvious errors and the lack of details and
completeness, but I wanted to post something at this point.
D.  If you think this is totally ludicrous, feel free to ignore my babblings.

Thank you for your patience.


John M. Van Scyoc III

jv0r@andrew.cmu.edu
jmviii@plunger.ece.cmu.edu

Solid State Group
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering
Carnegie Mellon University

I just turned my TV to MITV to discover that there is no TP episode this week.
They said that it was unavailable from the original network.

What gives?  I thought that this weeks episode would be shown, then the last
two would be combined into a two-hour finale, shown later in June.  Please let
me know if I've missed some information that would clear this up.

Oh well, I'll check again tomorrow night, on that 'original network'.

Grrr.

Craig R. Falkenham
The Master of the Obvious

> >From: UN040377@WVNVAXA.WVNET.EDU
> >Subject: Re: Cooper's doodling
> >To those who say that the reason Coop's drawing and the cave glyph don't match
> >the Major's and the Log Lady's tattoos is that Coop was just doodling:
> >The problem I have with them not matching is:  what, then, was the purpose
> >of the tattoos?  Why did the "aliens", or whatever creatures gave Briggs and
> >Margaret the tattoos, make them the shapes that they did?  Why would they give
> >Margaret one that was *exactly* part of the cave drawing, but give the Major 
> >one
> >that was only slightly similar to anything in the drawing.?
Ahhh, you see... that's the whole point.  When we still *don't*
know why those tattoos (or more likely "brands") were placed on 
Briggs & Margaret, nor why those particular brands were chosen.  Maybe
they're some kind of labelling system -- i.e. as we humans do in wildlife
studies ??? ( <--half-jokingly here)
When Cooper comes up with something that coincidentally leads him 
in the right direction, as he often has, it doesn't always have to be 
for the right reason.  He hasn't always followed a lead based on some 
EXACT clue but instead followed his heart (remember the OAM's info
that the answer did not lie in Coop's thoughts but in his heart).
The cave drawings "answered" the question of the tattoos because of the
fact that tattoos *led* Coop to the drawings-- not necessarily because
they *match* the drawings.
 Major Briggs' tattoo may have turned up later somewhere else of course,
if ABC hadn't canned the show.

Rocky Giovinazzo

swsh@ellis.uchicago.edu (Janet M. Swisher) writes:
> >halcyon!hikaru@seattleu.edu (Demosthenes) writes:
>> >>ede682nbp1@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au writes:

[Flamage on "Look it's trying to think" deleted]
> >The most appropriate response is for someone to email the original
> >poster and say "WKLP is revealed in episode 20xx.  You've just seen
> >10yy, so you'll find out in z more episodes."  

Which I did, having been stupid enough to read through the timeline (up
to about 2012; I couldn't take any more). To my countrymen and -women not
stupid enough to do similarly, we've just seen episode 2003, so it's in
another 7 episodes (I think).

The RS theories are great; keep 'em coming. I'll admit that, with WKLP an
open secret over here (a comedian was very proud to blurt out 'it was her
******' a week ago on national TV), some of the mystery has gone out of
TP. Well so what. You can look at Leland more closely now, and given a
recent artcile here, keep an eye out for Ben too. In any case, it should
be obvious that TP is not primarily about WKLP (though I missed the very
first episode). Indeed it's not really "about" anything in particular,
and I don't sympathise with Laura all that much anyway. What TP does is
make you go wow, huh?, eek!, and hohoho, at a faster pace and with more
inventiveness than anything I can recall, UFO hypothesis or no UFO hypo-
thesis.

Wish I'd taped and slow-mo'd Ronette's flashback to the traincar at the
end of 2001 (?). Laura looks damn gruesome. What was wrong with her eyes -
was that cuts?

I haven't seen an obvious fall in quality quite yet, but admittedly 1005
was a severe letdown after 1004 (the bit where Audrey cries for Leland
beating his head on the dancefloor was one of the most touching bits of
TP to date), and 1007 was too overlayered a parody of cliffhangers. 2001
was good, but I wouldn't say it was greater than 1004 - I think the difference
was that in 1004, Frost et al realised they had a murder mystery to solve,
and put together a plethora of clues, whereas 2001, concerned with updating
the viewers, had some dull moments, and the undull moments were very confusing.

Oh, and people *do* realise that TP is a pisser of a comedy too, right?
Just checking.

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Depts. of CompSci & ElecEng,   Turned its tide to strength
University of Melbourne, Australia. Healed the hole that ripped in living"
nsn@{mullian.ee|mullauna.cs|ecr}.mu.oz.au     -S. Vega, Book Of Dreams
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Yikes!  Not only did Global not feed TP at 10am PDT today, they didn't even
uplink it real time at 6pm PDT like they did when the tapes showed up late
last week.  At the earlier time slot, they uplinked a message that the tapes
were unavailable, and would be "time sent at 21:00" - which I took to mean
that they would again uplink it real-time as the show was aired (21:00 in
Toronto being 6pm PDT).  At the evening time slot, however, they uplinked a
message stating that the tapes were *still* unavailable!

Any Canadian TP viewers:  what was aired in TP's normal time slot?  And was
there any statement made about when TP would air?

Does anyone have any other useful information about when the show might be
uplinked (other than its usual Thursday night slot on T2 and the various
ABC affiliates out there)?
-- -larryy@apple.com "You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple, and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'." - Edmund Blackadder

If article <bar> GIOVIN%HECTOR@ecs.umass.edu (Rocky Giovinazzo) writes:
> >I realize that it's too late to bother discussing this due to the demise of
> >the show, but it seems like the something that's "missing" from the show,
> >the something that may have kept so many viewers continuing to watch the
> >show last year, is not just the feeling of "dread" (as mentioned in earlier
> >posts), but also the fear of a real killer on the loose and the lack of
> >strong emotional response by the people of Twin Peaks to death that we saw
> >when Laura died......On the first note, yes, I realize that Windham is
> >loose, but the problem is that no one seems to care much......If Cooper
> >gathered people together when Laura was killed to discuss the possibility of
> >a serial killer on the loose, then he certainly should have told them about
> >Windom in a similar meeting.  Killing by means of a parallel chess game is
> >pretty "serial" if you ask me.

I really liked this (and thus quoted it :).  I was talking to my SO after
last week's episode, and we agreed roughly the same thing, that try as we
might we just can't get scared of Earle.  I doubt it's the actor's fault --
BOB has pretty big shoes to fill, as it were.  But I keep thinking how weird
it is that little to no effort seems to be going into finding Windom -- e.g.,
extra patrols, I dunno, I'm no policeman, anything -- they just keep waiting
around for him to kill someone else it seems.  But I think you've hit
something crucial on why I think the show is so much less satisfying (to me
at any rate) -- there isn't the same overriding suspense or urgency to the
whole town.

I can't imagine how they're going to tie this all up, and am impressed by
many of the efforts so far.

Kevin Thompson


--
kthompso@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov     NASA-Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

larryy@Apple.COM (Larry Yaeger) writes:

> >When Global Television failed to transmit its Twin Peaks feed today at
> >10am, I panicked, but... after a few phone calls I was able to determine:

> >* The cause:  Lynch/Frost were delivering the tapes late.  Expected time
> >  of arrival at last notice was 7pm, Toronto time.  The show airs there at
> >  9pm!

At 9pm a week later and the announcer says, "in place of the program
scheduled for this time we are showing the following program" and in
we go to an Assignment Adventure program about sharks!  Naturally the
Global switchboard is jammed so I cant get through.  Is this a failed
version of what was a last-minute rescue last week?  Will it appear
tomorrow on ABC or has there been yet another change.  Global's
obtuseness in not offering any explanation, or indication of when
their viewers can see it .

Is there anyone out there in netland who has any idea of what is going
on with TP?  Will it similarly disappear without warning from ABC
tomorrow night or is that a cinch?
icj

Hello fellow netters, I am in desperate need of season 1's
episodes 0 (pilot) and 1. With TP being cancelled, I'm afraid 
that sometime in the near future, this newsgroup will become
a thing of the past (Wouldn't that be a shame?!). As a result,
it will become extremely difficult to get a hold of the above 2
episodes. I will gladly reimburse you for whatever costs you might 
incur. I live and work in the South Bay (San Fran metropolitan)
and am willing to travel. My duplication capabilities are not that strong,
therefore, I would appreciate a duplicate copy. Are there any kind souls 
out there who might be able to help?

I can be reached at 408)734-9822 X297 or X285
My E-Mail address is: jamsheed@Atherton.COM

P.S. If you have the above 2 episodes but are unable to duplicate them,
     I then might be able to find a friend who could of help.


Regards,

Jamsheed

In article <71493@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> riacmt@ubvmsa.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
> >SORRY!!!  :-)  Anyways, what you state, however, seems consistent
> >to me.  "Two Gods, one good, one evil, locked in endless struggle."
> >In Christian belief we have Christ & the devil (who once was united
> >with God in Heaven).  In Zarathustra's teachings, we have two gods,
> >one evil and one good.  The "spirits" of the Bookwus are aligned
> >along dark and light forces.  

> >So.... Explicate your modifications to make the theory work!!!!

But that's just it -- I'm not sure I want to make that theory work.
As I said before, it makes things look disconcertingly like Star Wars
(use the force, Coop) and I've already seen that story; I don't need
to see a remake of it.

Something I have noticed, though, that I haven't seen comment on: the
spiritual forces of the White Lodge (assuming we can identify the Giant,
maybe the Tremonds, the sender of the message to Cooper) seem rather
ineffectual and clumsy, as if they don't quite get it about how to
communicate with humans or to do the simplest things.  Windom Earl
seems to have a similar opinion, putting on one side of the ledger
a place of saccharine sweetness and images of Bambi, and on the other
side (the Black Lodge) forces powerful enough to remake the world.
Now this would be an interesting switch: Zarathustra had good and
evil equally matched, Judeo-Christian-Islamic thinking had an all
powerful force of good and a less powerful (and ultimately doomed)
force for evil: what if, in Twin Peaks, evil is simply more powerful?

A Tibetan Buddhist (where I started all this) might smile gently at
all the above, and suggest that it is our very concepts of good and
evil that cause the problem in the first place, and suggest that we
drop all that moral code stuff and simply act with compassion (at
which point various factions would start screaming about "situational
ethics").

So how would I tie all this in to a more Eastern way of thinking (since
Coop is all concerned with Tibet)?  Well, how about this:

(pseudo-Buddhist/Hindu/Taoist/new-age mysticism alert!)

The members of the White and Black Lodges were once ordinary men and
women; well, ordinary in the sense that they were flesh and blood but
not so ordinary in their accomplishments, for they were shamans.  Through
discipline, meditation, and study, they learned to transcend that plane
that we see as reality.  Some reached the stage where they no longer needed
physical bodies at all.

The goal of their study was to reach sartori, a state of enlightenment,
of one with all that there is.  However, there were temptations along
the way, for, in the course of this discipline lay vast power.  Those
that understood just what kind of illusion the physical plane consists
of could manipulate this illusion as well, giving them a power to "remake
the world", to quote Windom Earl, or at least, the tiny portion of the
world in which we live.  Those who turned from the journey to pursue
power over others took the path that became known as the Black Lodge,
but it was really (as Hawk said) merely a waystation: all who would enter
the White Lodge must pass through the Black Lodge on the way.  But the
powers the Black Lodge offers pale compared to the real thing.

The White Lodge is a place of total transcendence; those who reach it
have no further use for what we on earth consider important.  But there
are some (call bhodisatvas -- I know I spelled that wrong -- in the
Buddhist tradition) who stop short of this total transcendence, moved
by their compassion for all living things, they seek to bring all to
enlightenment, not just get there themselves.  These seem as gods to
ordinary men, but they come from us.  Where they come from, the birds
sing a pretty song, and there's always music in the air.

Note that Black + light (enlightenment) = White.  Black isn't the opposite
of white; it's black without light.

It's clear, if there is anything to this, that Mike, a Black Lodge
denizen, had the mystical experience that all that follow this path
seek ("Then I saw the face of God, and I was changed") and he saw the
limited nature of the power he had reveled in before.

I think that the most enlightened White Lodge spirit is the Little Man

In article <71431@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> riacmt@ubvmsa.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
> >Coop says...There was this place, with this evil, terrible BOB.
> >And I followed the path (yellow brick road, the way to build a
> >path is one stone at a time?).  And I was looking for the
> >White Lodge (OZ?).  And...
And at the waterfall, BOB says "Do you want to play with fire?" and
ignites Andy's flannel shirt.  Coop grabs some water from the
waterfall, throws it on Andy, accidentally hits BOB, who evaporates,
screaming, "I'm melting, I'm melting, what a world, what a world."
And...
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    johnb@hobbes.mdc.com     |                   -- Willy Wonka

In article <3389@beguine.UUCP> George.Harris@bbs.acs.unc.edu (George Harris) writes:
> >The Simpsons is easily as intellectual as anything else
> >on the 4 commercial networks, & most stuff on PBS.
> >
> >In fact, I have never seen a more cinematicly aware TV
> >show, nor one with more social insight.

I don't know about "intellectual".  I will say this: "The Simpsons" is
the most deeply subversive show on television; it's also the most
explicitly leftist show on television (which I think is just great, by
the way).  It's deeply anti-authority; it's no accident that grade
school principals are banning Bart Simpson tee shirts.  It would have
been banned as Communist not too many years ago, and the banners could
collect plenty of evidence for their contentions (the treatment of Homer
Simpson's boss and workplace is amazing).  Its satire of American life
is some of the bitterest stuff I've ever seen on the tube, and it still
manages to be funny.  Or at least that's how it is in better weeks.

--
Joe Buck
jbuck@janus.berkeley.edu {uunet,ucbvax}!janus.berkeley.edu!jbuck

The local station here in Edmonton has preempted the showing because
'TP was preempted by the originating network' !

SO ... will it be a 2 OR 3 hours final episode?

Michel Adam

Some additional comments relating to the delayed satellite uplink of TP last
week and this which I didn't want to foist on the rec.video.satellite group:

A friend of a friend is doing her thesis work on Lynch/Twin Peaks.  As a
result, she was able to interview a number of people involved in the
production of TP (though Lynch had to cancel his interview as of the last
time she and I spoke).  This was approximately 2 1/2 months ago.  At that
time, she was told that David Lynch was still doing significant editing of
pretty much all episodes of TP, regardless of who was listed as director.
Reportedly, he would indulge in a *lot* of editing if he didn't like the
results of the director's pass (which only happened on a couple of
episodes), or some small amount of editing if he basically liked it as it
stood.  This information comes directly from the friend-of-a-friend (the
person who actually did the interviews), as opposed to the friend, so the
story is second hand, not third hand, for what that's worth.

I suspect that the late tapes this and last week are due to Lynch's re-editing
in preparation for the series' end.  Now this is pure speculation on my
part, but I can think of little other reason for tapes to be late that were
supposedly "in the can".  So at least it looks like Lynch is taking every
opportunity to bring the various threads together as gracefully as possible!

God I will miss this show.
-- -larryy@apple.com "You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple, and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'." - Edmund Blackadder