Season 2, Episodes 21–22: Miss Twin Peaks / Beyond Life and Death — June 10, 1991–August 27, 1992

In article <1991Aug19.141409.24264@wpi.WPI.EDU>, h@wpi.WPI.EDU (The Living Tribunal) writes:
> > DUH!
> > the new shoes were leo's old boots he sent into repair that had the
> > microcasette of his meeting with Ben Horne to discuss burning the
> > mill.
> > no secret here.

I don't buy it.  Repaired shoes aren't new shoes.  Leo had new shoes, bought
from the one-armed man (his brand, anyway) and stuffed with cocaine.  I took
"Leo needs new shoes" to mean, "Leo needs the money to pay for his next
shipment of coke" and that his coke arrived in new shoes.  Was the one-armed
man smuggling the dope in for Leo?  Just selling shoes to Leo?  Trust me,
there are STILL a lot of questions here.
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kwh+@RI.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann) writes:
> > Besides the miner role (sic) David Lynch played in Dune,  
> > did he in any other way help in the making of it?

(Hmm.  How best to capitalize on this golden opportunity?)

1.  Help?  "Hinder" is more like it.
2.  Yes.  David Lynch is generally credited as being the father of
science fiction.
3.  Sort of; his teenage daughter Jennifer directed.
4.  No, he was too busy doing the intricate and detailed plotting for
Twin Peaks.
5.  He brought the production crew milkshakes from Bob's Big Boy.
6.  Absolutely; he was entirely responsible for the creation of the
Shadout Mapes character.  ("I am the Shadout Mapes... the
Houssssssssse..... Keeeee-paahhhhhh!")
7.  Bodybuilding consultant for Sting.
8.  Executive assistant to Allen Smithee, the director, who taught
Lynch everything he knew.
9.  Exhaustive research to create Baron Harkonnen blemishes.
10.  Performed rain-dance to set up climactic finale.

In article <wcgJC5O00Vsn44lKtp@andrew.cmu.edu>, Robert Steven Glickstein <bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
|> kwh+@RI.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann) writes:
|> > Besides the miner role (sic) David Lynch played in Dune,  
|> > did he in any other way help in the making of it?

|> 8.  Executive assistant to Allen Smithee, the director, who taught
|> Lynch everything he knew.

Aye! There's the rub.  Next time I'll be a little more explicit
about what confuses me.

Thanks to all those who straightened me out on this Smithee guy.  (a total
of two of you (out of 25))

Kevin

|> In article <1991Aug19.141409.24264@wpi.WPI.EDU>, h@wpi.WPI.EDU (The Living Tribunal) writes:

|> > DUH!

Be nice, people.  I know it's been quite a while since the last episode
but I thought we could weather the storm a bit better than this.   We 
always used to be so nice to each other.  This is turning into rec.sport.hockey.

Kevin

"Sandy, why do there have to be people in this world like Frank Booth?"

In article <yqiy74w163w@zitt> joe@zitt (Joe Zitt) writes:
> >been deduced by Coop, et al. It could even pull a complete 180. My pet whacko
> >theory is that the Good Guys assumed too readily that BOB was possessing
> >Leland when he killed Laura; in reality, BOB was possessing >Ben< (who was
> >Laura's true father), and only possessed Leland as of the first season
> >cliffhanger, when he killed Jacques and his hair turned white. If this were

Uh...  there's the matter of Ben's ALIBI for the night of the murder...
and the fact that it was Leland's blood they found on the note...

Sorry to poke holes in the theory, though...

In article <1991Aug20.133234.183011@cs.cmu.edu> kwh+@RI.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann) writes:
> >
> >Besides the miner role (sic) David Lynch played in Dune,  
> >did he in any other way help in the making of it?

Well, he _did_ direct it...  :)

In article <7258@lectroid.sw.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
> >I don't buy it.  Repaired shoes aren't new shoes.  Leo had new shoes, bought
>from the one-armed man (his brand, anyway) and stuffed with cocaine.  I took
> >"Leo needs new shoes" to mean, "Leo needs the money to pay for his next
> >shipment of coke" and that his coke arrived in new shoes.  Was the one-armed
> >man smuggling the dope in for Leo?  Just selling shoes to Leo?  Trust me,
> >there are STILL a lot of questions here.

Great minds think alike, huh?  My guess was that the OAM was the next step
in a distribution network.  Twin Peaks may have been a gateway for drugs to
funnel across the border... and a traveling salesman could take them all
across the country.  Interesting, too, that the one-armed man used to sell
"pharmaceuticals"...   like the ever-present haliperidol?  I always wondered
where Leland and the others got their supplies...

Jon Blum

In article <1991Aug19.141409.24264@wpi.WPI.EDU> h@wpi.WPI.EDU (The Living Tribunal) writes:
> >In article <9340@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@umd5.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:
>> >>"New shoes!"  See also the one-armed man's boots found at Leo's and the line
>> >>"Leo needs a new pair of shoes!" in the first-season meeting between Leo,
>> >>Mike, and Bobby.
> >
> >DUH!
> >the new shoes were leo's old boots he sent into repair that had the
> >microcasette of his meeting with Ben Horne to discuss burning the
> >mill.

BZZZZZZZZT!  As even that clod Mike Nelson pointed out, THOSE WEREN'T NEW
SHOES!  Bobby, as usual, got it wrong.  The only new shoes in the series
were the ones sold by Philip Gerard.  Including a pair to old cabbage-head
himself.

Surely there's got to be something in that fact...

Jon Blum

In article <9348@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@umd5.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:
>From the Washington Post: Kyle is back on board, along with all the regulars,
> >EXCEPT for Lara Flynn Boyle and Sherilyn Fenn.
> >
> >I guess this K.O.'s the idea of a prequel.  How can they do a Laura Palmer
> >story without Donna?  Or James, for that matter...  It eliminates one
> >whole side of her life.

Geez... we're sure to miss out on the picnic James, Donna, & Laura
took.  Now I'll never find out why Laura and Donna had those weird
things on their noses -- what were they?

Rocky Giovinazzo

Hi, I'm new to this bboard so please forgive me if this question has
been asked a million times before. Are there any plans to release all of
twin peaks on video? I almost all of it but I am missing a few, and
would love to be able to get them on tape. 

Thanks


lisa roraback

lr1b+@andrew.cmu.edu
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"First things first, but not necessarily in that order"  Dr. Who

In article <6975@tellab5.tellabs.com> jfr@tellabs.com (John Ryder) writes:
> >
> >
> >By Elaine Dutka (Los Angeles Times)
> >
> >First, however, is the re-release of Lynch's first feature, 1978's "Eraserhead",
> >by Miramax Films in late October. Described by the company as an "eerily erotic
> >sci-fi parable of the responsibilities of parenthood," the movie focuses on
> >a man whose hair stands permenantly on end in the shape of an eraser. After
> >impregnating his girfriend, he is forced to marry her and becomes the father
> >of a strange inhuman creature.
> >
> >Why dredge up "Eraserhead" now? "There's a lot of interest in David Lynch,"
> >says Russell Schwartz, executive vice-president of Miramax. "And we think
> >it would be fun taking a cult classic which for years played only at
> >midnight shows and turning it into a mainstream picture."
> >
> >Lynch's camp agrees. "Those people who are familiar with David are more in
> >touch with `Blue Velvet' and `Wild At Heart' than his earlier work," Gaye
> >Pope says. "Bringing `Eraserhead' out again for a whole new audience who've
> >never seen it before is a great idea."
> >
> >Industry observers say that it makes good commercial sense, as well. And not
> >only because Lynch is a brand name these days or that, in an era of belt-
> >tightening, re-release is a way of sidestepping an expensive production
> >budget.
> >
> >"It feeds the public's hunger for `hip'", one notes, "which right now, is
> >coming primarily from the black filmmakers. Gus Van Sant, the Coen Brothers,
> >Jim Jarmusch and David Lynch contribute their one film a year, but anything
> >out of the mainstream is an increasingly rare commodity in an industry
> >that feeds on junk food."
> >
> >
> >
Great news about ERASERHEAD. Maybe I'll finally be able to see it. Up
until now, it's been relegated to one or two night midnite showings at
the local "art" moviehouses, and never when I'm around, of course :-)

> >
> >
> >


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In article <1991Aug19.151415.1@wombat.newcastle.edu.au> ecwdb@wombat.newcastle.edu.au writes:

> >   I might be a sick individual, but I don't think that the final scene of
> >   Blue Velvet is meant to be such a happy ending. It has been posited in this
> >   group that the robin devouring the bug indicates that the evil which has
> >   touched the lives of the Beaumonts has been expunged.
> >   However, in the shot, the robin is totally and obviously bogus. I took
> >  this to be a shot at the kind of world-view held by Laura Dern's character (
> > remember her dream about the world with no robins, and the scene where she is
> > crying and saying "where is my dream"?). Lumberton seemed like a such an idyllic
> > place and yet there is an undercurrent of pure evil. The "good" characters in
> > the film are, to my mind, portrayed as almost contemptuously naive and so at
> > the end when the robin dream has come "true", the robin is obviously fake. Thus
> > only a naive fool would believe that faith in dreams where love conquers all etc
> > will overcome the Franks of the world. Hiding behind dreams and pretend games
> > will not make evil go away. Blue Velvet is my favourite film, but I really don't
> > think that the "nice" characters are meant to be sympathetically received.
> >
> >   Wylie Bradford

I don't think that the implication is that faith in dreams has
overcome Frank; clearly, a gun has.  It seems to me that the movie is
more about moving from innocence to knowledge than about good
overcoming evil.  I usually take the ending image of the robin
devouring the bug to be symbolic of the fact that, just as our green
lawns harbor bugs, our symbols of hope and goodness, like the robin,
FEED on bugs.  Whether the bugs are thought of as truly evil or just
symbols of dark, earthy, creepy things that we'd rather not think
about, they are fundamental to life, and the idyllic images of the
white picket fences, the waving fireman, etc., are the facade we put
up when we'd rather not think about the darker things.  Laura could
have stayed with her football player boyfriend, but she chose not to.
Jeff could have stayed away from the Valens apartment, but he chose
not to.  For both of them there was a curiosity about the mysterious
dark side of things that had to be satisfied.  But to keep from
turning in to copies of Frank, they have to keep the sense of a world
with robins in it to offset the flooding consciousness of the world of
bugs.  I think that the ending is positive because they both are able
to learn about the dark side of life without getting killed, and still
come back to believing that life is worth living.

Barb Miller

Sorry if this has been covered before, but its something I've been 
wondering about for the past year.

Was it leland or Bob/Leland that killed Jacques?  If it was Bob,
why bother?  If it was Leland, where was Bob?

Thanks in advance

In article <yqiy74w163w@zitt> joe@zitt (Joe Zitt) writes:
> >erics@infoserv.com (Eric S. Smith) writes:

> >Not necessarily -- it could end with the complete murder sequence, as it has
> >been deduced by Coop, et al. It could even pull a complete 180. My pet whacko
> >theory is that the Good Guys assumed too readily that BOB was possessing
> >Leland when he killed Laura; in reality, BOB was possessing >Ben< (who was
> >Laura's true father), and only possessed Leland as of the first season
> >cliffhanger, when he killed Jacques and his hair turned white. If this were
> >shown, we'd all have to watch the show >again< in light of this revelation,
> >and see the tragedy compounded and increased by the investigation turning
> >out to be mostly useless.

Actuallly, I believe that Leland _is_ Laura's father.  I also
belive that he's Maddy's father.  Assuming that Beth (Maddy's mom) is
on Sarah's side of the family, this situation would explain why 
Maddy looks "almost exactly like Laura Palmer." (read in backwards
type of Scandanavian accent).  I really doubt that Ben was possessed
when BOB killed Laura because of Leland's last words before death (see
also: secret diary), although it is very likely that Ben was possessed at
times.

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <1991Aug20.133234.183011@cs.cmu.edu> kwh+@RI.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann) writes:

> >Besides the miner role (sic) David Lynch played in Dune,  
> >did he in any other way help in the making of it?

"WOOOO WOOOO WOOO WOOOA!" (read as Leland making barking woo sounds)
"That's a yes."
David Lynch also wrote the screenplay and directed it.

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <ocgM6je00Uh_E2fFJP@andrew.cmu.edu> lr1b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lisa M. Roraback) writes:
 |Hi, I'm new to this bboard so please forgive me if this question has
 |been asked a million times before. Are there any plans to release all of
 |twin peaks on video? I almost all of it but I am missing a few, and
 |would love to be able to get them on tape. 

In Japan, yes.  Not all of them are released yet, but eventually all
of them will be released.  Each video usually contains two episodes.
Actually today the first 2 episodes of the second season was released.
(I'm really looking forward to watching it!  I even made a booking at
a video rental shop!)

Maybe you don't like Japanese caption on the screen, though!

           Yasuro KAWATA
        yasuro@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp

Maekawa Laboratory, Department of Information Science, 
Faculty of Science, University of Tokyo, JAPAN

ecwdb@wombat.newcastle.edu.au writes:

> > I might be a sick individual, but I don't think that the final scene of
> > Blue Velvet is meant to be such a happy ending. It has been posited in this

Remember, this is NOT the final scene in Blue Velvet! The final scene,
which I will not mentio for those TWO OR THREE of you out there who have
yet to see the film, is so honestly decent and touching that there could
be no doubt that Lynch has his heart in the right place.

Of course the robin is fake. Of course the whole idyllic picnic scene is 
a bit goofy -- a touch of the 1950's "Aw shucks, you just gotta laff at 
the wacky world" sitcom was imbedded. But snicker in knowing postmodern 
glee all you want at this scene, NOBODY I know has ever NOT taken the 
final coda of the film seriously. With this in mind, how cynical does the
ending finally seem?

                    -Uzer

Hi, 

My wife-to-be and I are going to do it...we're taking our honeymoon
in Snoqualmie, WA, staying at the Salish Lodge, and looking around
at the famous Peaks sites.

Anybody out there have any information on where to see the well known
sites...like....gasp, the train car??!  Or any other information on
the area.  We're leaving pretty soon, this Monday.

Thanks in advance,
Greg Sandell

On 21-Aug-91 in Bob/Leland                   
user Greg Spira@panix.com writes:
> > 
> >Was it leland or Bob/Leland that killed Jacques?  If it was Bob,
> >why bother?  If it was Leland, where was Bob?

I think it was Leland, BOB would slip to the back of Laura's mind at
times, she would often wonder is he was still there (secret diary). So
it would be possible for BOB to leave Leland giving him enough time to
commit the crime. I mean BOB or no BOB Leland never struck me as to
solid a guy. 

But if it was BOB who killed Jacques (or at least a little of him), it
would still make sense. Anything Jacques knew that would prove he didn't
kill her would die with him. 

Just a thought.


lisa roraback

lr1b+@andrew.cmu.edu
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joe@zitt (Joe Zitt) writes:
> > Not necessarily -- it could end with the complete murder sequence, as it has
> > been deduced by Coop, et al. It could even pull a complete 180. My pet whacko
> > theory is that the Good Guys assumed too readily that BOB was possessing
> > Leland when he killed Laura; in reality, BOB was possessing >Ben< (who was
> > Laura's true father), and only possessed Leland as of the first season
> > cliffhanger, when he killed Jacques and his hair turned white. If this were
> > shown, we'd all have to watch the show >again< in light of this revelation,
> > and see the tragedy compounded and increased by the investigation turning
> > out to be mostly useless.

Grrrrrrrr... come ON, is there some particular reason why we cannot let 
this particular thread die the quick death is deserves? Leland, once BOB 
had exited, REMEMBERED KILLING LAURA. Ben was with Catherine at the time 
of the murder. 


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In article <1991Aug20.221528.10513@unixland.natick.ma.us>, bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Downing) writes:
> > Great news about ERASERHEAD. Maybe I'll finally be able to see it. Up
> > until now, it's been relegated to one or two night midnite showings at
> > the local "art" moviehouses, and never when I'm around, of course :-)

Have a VCR?  Why not rent it?  Look in the "Black & White" section of your
local video rental store.
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In article <3Po171w164w@darkside.com>, user@darkside.com (A Modem User) writes:
> > Remember, this is NOT the final scene in Blue Velvet! The final scene,
> > which I will not mentio for those TWO OR THREE of you out there who have
> > yet to see the film, is so honestly decent and touching that there could
> > be no doubt that Lynch has his heart in the right place.
> > 
> > NOBODY I know has ever NOT taken the 
> > final coda of the film seriously.

Aw, you'll have to remind me, then.  I thought the final scene was the same as
the opening scene (fireman waving, etc.) except that Jeffrey is watering
the lawn instead of his dad.  Obviously I've forgotten something.
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In article <BARB.91Aug20194706@chamarti.ai.mit.edu>, barb@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Barb Miller) writes:
> > just as our green
> > lawns harbor bugs, our symbols of hope and goodness, like the robin,
> > FEED on bugs.

Hear, hear.  The grandma (aunt)? says, "Eeeoohhh, I don't think I could eat
a BUG."  She really is not the type to face the real world.
But we're confident now that Jeffrey could "eat a bug," if he had to...
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The can be reached at 1-800-SMOKEYS (766-5397).  They take MC
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In article <7282@lectroid.sw.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
> >In article <3Po171w164w@darkside.com>, user@darkside.com (A Modem User) writes:
>> >> Remember, this is NOT the final scene in Blue Velvet! The final scene,
>> >> which I will not mentio for those TWO OR THREE of you out there who have
>> >> yet to see the film, is so honestly decent and touching that there could
>> >> be no doubt that Lynch has his heart in the right place.
>> >> 
>> >> NOBODY I know has ever NOT taken the 
>> >> final coda of the film seriously.
> >
> >Aw, you'll have to remind me, then.  I thought the final scene was the same as
> >the opening scene (fireman waving, etc.) except that Jeffrey is watering
> >the lawn instead of his dad.  Obviously I've forgotten something.

  Indeed you have!  What about Dorothy Valens being reunited w/ her little
boy?  They both looked quite happy together - and if that wasn't a happy
ending, I don't know what is!

   - Larry


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It was Leland not BOB that killed Jacques Renoir...
  BOB was busy directing and producing DUNE!

Well, I know a friend who went to Snoqualmie (sp?) and 
said that there really is a little diner that looks a lot like
the Double R.

Please report back on the traincar details, as well as the 
train embankment where they found the girl wandering aimlessly, as
well as the lake / tree where the Martells' house is.

I see a future AAA Travel Guide listing...

In article <1991Aug21.184131.15293@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>  
brackney@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Larry J Brackney) writes:
> >   Indeed you have!  What about Dorothy Valens being reunited w/ her little
> > boy?  They both looked quite happy together - and if that wasn't a happy
> > ending, I don't know what is!

"I still can see Blue Velvet through my tears..."

Eric C. Johnson
the second most dangerous man in the universe
ejohnson@cobalt.cco.caltech.edu

           ...scream[ing] in ecstatic approval of total banality...

In article <BARB.91Aug20194706@chamarti.ai.mit.edu> barb@zurich.ai.mit.edu writes:
> >In article <1991Aug19.151415.1@wombat.newcastle.edu.au> ecwdb@wombat.newcastle.edu.au writes:
> >
>> >> I might be a sick individual, but I don't think that the final scene of Blue
>> >> Velvet is meant to be such a happy ending. It has been posited in this group
>> >> that the robin devouring the bug indicates that the evil which has touched
>> >> the lives of the Beaumonts has been expunged.  However, in the shot, the
>> >> robin is totally and obviously bogus. I took this to be a shot at the kind
>> >> of world-view held by Laura Dern's character (remember her dream about the
>> >> world with no robins, and the scene where she is crying and saying "where
>> >> is my dream"?). Lumberton seemed like a such an idyllic place and yet there
>> >> is an undercurrent of pure evil. The "good" characters in the film are, to
>> >> my mind, portrayed as almost contemptuously naive and so at the end when
>> >> the robin dream has come "true", the robin is obviously fake.
>> >>
>> >>   Wylie Bradford
> >
> >I don't think that the implication is that faith in dreams has
> >overcome Frank; clearly, a gun has.  It seems to me that the movie is
> >more about moving from innocence to knowledge than about good
> >overcoming evil.  I usually take the ending image of the robin
> >devouring the bug to be symbolic of the fact that, just as our green
> >lawns harbor bugs, our symbols of hope and goodness, like the robin,
> >FEED on bugs.  [...]
> >I think that the ending is positive because they both are able
> >to learn about the dark side of life without getting killed, and still
> >come back to believing that life is worth living.
> >
> >Barb Miller

For what it's worth, I always saw the surface level of that image as the
first part of Barb's interpretation... good overpowering evil (though the
idea that it actually feeds on evil is more profound, since it implies that
good *needs* evil to exist - a very Zen understanding).  But while I can
see Barb's subsequent interpretation of an exposure to knowledge, the
very consciously fake nature of the robin has always led me to Wylie's
interpretation as the deeper meaning of that closing scene... specifically,
that our usual visions of goodness and love are not at all real.  Still,
if goodness and love are *not* real, or at least not *enough*, then what
is?  Well, Barb's final interpretation might make a fine answer... good
*and* evil, and the knowledge of both.  Layers upon layers.
-- -larryy@apple.com "You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple, and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'." - Edmund Blackadder

Hello,

Although I've been digging into newsgroups related to the Soviet Coup, I caught
a CNN Entertainment News interview with Isabellaosellini on her role in an
upcoming movie (can't remember the title) playing a roll as a fashion model.








Best Regards,



Don Kasprzak
UToledo

In article <1991Aug21.114046@sdd.hp.com> bbaer@sdd.hp.com (Brian Baer) writes:
> >Star Pics only sells the regular TP CardArt.  If you want the
> >*LIMITED EDITION* TP CardArt you can't get them directly from
> >Star Pics!  I ordered my sets from Smokeys in Lost Wages, NV.
> >The can be reached at 1-800-SMOKEYS (766-5397).  They take MC
> >and Visa.

Hmm... I know that this has come up before on the net, but I'm not sure I
really believe in this *Limited Edition* versus regular TP CardArt.  Why?
Well, in the process of ordering sets for friends and getting a couple for
myself, I've now bought at least 5 sets... 2 from StarPics by phone/mail
order, 2 from a local Sports & other trading cards store, and 1 from a
local comic book store.  All 5 sets were identical (I *had* to check and see
if any of them had an autographed card, didn't I?).  They all say "Limited
Edition" at the top of the back face of every single card.  They all have
the little message about checking to see if there's an autographed card and
giving a phone number to register your set printed on the side of the box.
They all have a number (5 digits, I think) imprinted on the inside of the
box lid.

Can Brian or anyone else tell me how any other set of TP cards differs from
the ones I bought?  (And note that I did get 2 of the sets directly from
Star Pics... have they now run out of Limited Edition sets, or what?)

Oh yeah, I also saw these on display at the Alpine Blossom & Gift Shoppe in
Snoqualmie, and they looked identical from the outside.
-- -larryy@apple.com "You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple, and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'." - Edmund Blackadder

In article <1991Aug21.114046@sdd.hp.com>, bbaer@sdd.hp.com (Brian Baer) writes:
> > Star Pics only sells the regular TP CardArt.  If you want the
> > *LIMITED EDITION* TP CardArt you can't get them directly from
> > Star Pics!  I ordered my sets from Smokeys in Lost Wages, NV.
> > The can be reached at 1-800-SMOKEYS (766-5397).  They take MC
> > and Visa.
> > 

Hmmm...
I hadn't heard of a "Limited Edition."
What's special about it?

Tom Tullio
TTULLIO@WILLET.WESLEYAN.EDU

In article <EcgdFOK00UhW41qFcc@andrew.cmu.edu> lr1b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lisa M. Roraback) writes:
   On 21-Aug-91 in Bob/Leland                   
   user Greg Spira@panix.com writes:
   > 
   >Was it leland or Bob/Leland that killed Jacques?  If it was Bob,
   >why bother?  If it was Leland, where was Bob?

   I think it was Leland, BOB would slip to the back of Laura's mind at
   times, she would often wonder is he was still there (secret diary). So
   it would be possible for BOB to leave Leland giving him enough time to
   commit the crime. I mean BOB or no BOB Leland never struck me as to
   solid a guy. 

Since Laura was dead, though, this doesn't matter, unless BOB was off
possessing someone else altogether, which we have no evidence is/was
possible, particularly since BOB killed Leland, presumably to "escape."

Muffy

A couple of people have asked about information on making the pilgrimage to
Twin Peaks.  I'd originally intended to write up a kind of personal travelogue
of the adventures of my wife and I on our visit there, but instead, I'll try
to just give you the info that'll let you see as much as possible...

First off, if you have the time (an extra half-day to full-day depending upon
your origin point and travel plans), it's well worth visiting the Kiana Lodge
near Poulsbo, WA as well.  This is about 2 hours from Snoqualmie, on the
other side of Seattle.  This is the place that was used for interiors of
the Great Northern, especially the lobby, and for the Packard/Martell home.
The large indian drawings are right there on the wood walls.  There's a
deer head or two that are recognizably placed.  And the rear of the main
building, that is adjacent to the water, is easily recognizable as the
Packard/Martell home.  The very large hunk of wood outside their home,
where Pete discovered Laura's body, is also very obvious.

The Kiana Lodge is not a hotel, but a place for meetings and such, so you
cannot plan on staying there.  There are lodgings nearby (the Poulsbo Chamber
of Commerce can direct you to some), but you can also visit the Lodge midday,
and comfortably make it to the Salish Lodge in Snoqualmie that afternoon.
The phone number for the Poulsbo Chamber of Commerce is 206-779-4848 or
206-779-4999.  The Greater Poulsbo area is also known as "Little Norway"
(so I guess *all* the Norwegians didn't leave:-) !

The Kiana Lodge, itself, is located in either Sandy Hook or Agate Pass, WA
(according to one T-Shirt and one Sweatshirt available in the nice gift shop
located there).  It is just off highway 305, at the extreme southern end of
the North Kitsap Peninsula.  Take 305 to Sandy Hook Rd, and take Sandy Hook
Rd (south, the only way it goes) until it almost ends at the bay.  Look
for a very small (about 10" x 12") sign sitting on the ground, on your left
as you approach the bay.

Now, on to Snoqualmie/North Bend.  First, if you are coming from the Kiana
Lodge, you can go a somewhat out of the way land route or you can use the
ferry at Kingston.  Be warned, the ferry can require an hour or more wait
in line, so you might actually be better to use the land route.

The Salish Lodge, used for exterior shots of the Great Northern, is in
Snoqualmie.  We took small back roads, and ended up coming in on 203.  The
Salish appears on your right almost as soon as you enter the Snoqualmie city
limits coming this way from Seattle.  If you use US 90 (the quicker, major
freeway), you can get off at the Preston exit (#22) and take the Preston-Fall
City Rd toward Fall City, turn right on 203 at the entrance to Fall City, and
you're on your way to the Salish.  This takes you past the Windstreamers kite
store, better known to us as Big Ed's Gas Farm, and the Colonial Inn, better
known as The Roadhouse.  Big Ed's is on Preston-Fall City Rd, and will be on
the right using this approach, and will be quite obvious.  The Colonial is just
before the junction with 203, on the right.  Facing the Colonial from
Preston-Fall City Rd, there is a small field on the left... go there and look
back at the Colonial... this is the only face they used for The Roadhouse.  The
Colonial has nice eggs-bacon-&-hotcakes kind of breakfasts and is quite
reasonably priced.

Be sure to mention to the Salish staff that you are there because of Twin
Peaks.  They have a hand drawn map that shows many of the significant sites,
and they will be happy to just give you a copy, along with some photocopies
of a couple of local PR releases on the show and the area.  Be warned,
however, that this map is more suggestive than it is accurate, and you might
want to invest in a regular road map; I bought an inexpensive Bellvue street
map that extended far enough to show the Snoqualmie/North Bend area (though
this map doesn't have all the TP sites marked for you, so it's nice to have
both).  If the Salish isn't providing these maps anymore or has run out,
the same map is available for 50 cents from the Alpine Blossom & Gift Shoppe
in North Bend.  A much more attractive (but even less accurate, I think) map/
poster is available in the Salish's Coffee & Gift Shop at the falls overlook
(not in the hotel).  I think the Colonial sells the larger, more expensive
map also.


By the way, the Salish is a wonderful place to stay.  It's expensive, ranging
from $125 to $450 a night, but it's really lovely.  The prices are $125 for a
room facing out the front of the hotel, $175 for a room facing the river
(though they warned me that not all of these actually can see the river?), and
$450 for a suite facing the falls.  Those are all the prices they quote over
the phone, normally, but when I arrived I was fortunate to discover an
intermediate price of $250 for 1/2 of a suite facing the falls; they can
split the suites into two rooms, with one being pretty much just a large
bedroom, and the other being a *very* nice living area with a really comfy
Queen or King size Murphy bed.  We lucked into this nice large 1/2 suite
for the $250/night price, and ended up staying all 3 days of our visit there
(we had originally planned to move to less expensive accomodations in a
local Inn).  There's a fireplace in most if not all rooms, and the staff
comes in daily and sets it up with wood, kindling, and a little newspaper,
so all you have to do is light a match to have a nice fire in the fireplace.

I'm told that the Sunday Brunch at the Salish is quite the thing, sometimes
requiring weeks of advanced reservations (though I think they try to
accomodate guests of the hotel if at all possible).  Though I wasn't able
to partake of the Brunch, I *highly* recommend dining at the Salish.  The
rabbit dish is fabulous, and everything we had was excellent.  Try the
reasonably priced Snoqualmie Cabernet Sauvignon if you like red wine (we
weren't as thrilled with the Snoqualmie Chardonnay or Sauvignon Blanc,
whichever it was we had).  But *most of all*, be sure to try the "Corned
Duck" appetizer... served on thinly sliced apples, with tiny melon BB's,
and a mild, but tangy mustard sauce - best new commestible I've encountered
in a while!!

Oh yeah, they claim one of the best views of the falls is from the Salish
lounge, but the "worst of the 70's" music blaring from the loudspeakers,
coupled with what struck us as just another view makes me disrecommend it.
However, in the hallway leading to the stairs that take you up to the
lounge area are some magazine articles under glass, hanging on the wall,
and they tell you of a number of the locations I'm mentioning, in case
you lose this post!

Okay, well fed and well rested, go take a look at the falls.  There's a
small gazebo (not *the* gazebo, *yet*) overlook, and farther away from the
hotel (but all still just a short walk), a fenced, asphalt overlook.  From
the latter, you can probably coax a shot much like the opening pan-up-
river-and-falls from your camcorder:-)  There's a gift and coffee shop
near this viewpoint, and they do have slightly different wares than the
gift shop located inside the Lodge.  Also be sure to grab a picture of the
front of the Lodge, including their sign, so you can compare to the sign
for The Great Northern that they use on the show.  This is also clearly
where Audrey gets into the limo to head to school in the show premiere.

If you make a right onto 203 out of the hotel, and a quick left onto Mill
Pond Rd, you can head towards the railroad trestle where Ronnette Polaski
is discovered, the Packard Sawmill (Weyerhauser Mill), and the sheriff's
office (the administration building for the Weyerhauser Mill).  As you're
driving on Mill Pond Rd, look to your left across the pond for a preview
of the Mill.  And ignore the old railroad tracks that you drive over near
here.  Continue on and you'll actually drive under the railroad overpass
that is the Polaski trestle.  You can park and walk up to the tracks.
Continuing on past the trestle, you make a veer or turn left on Renig Rd,
and another left on Falls Station Rd, I think.  Follow signs to the
Weyerhauser administration office.  Along this route there's an entrance
on the left with a guard shack that you can just ignore (ignore the entrance,
that is).  The route to the administration office is marked and easily
accessible (not guarded).  From the parking lot of the admin. office, there's
a good view of the Mill, and the admin. office itself *is* the Twin Peaks
Sheriff's Station.  Go around to the long side of the building, and there
will be the familiar double doors, with the stone plaque out front.  Just
inside the doors you'll see Lucy's office and everything!  The people there
are very nice, and, I asked first, but they didn't mind my videotaping inside
the facility.

You can get back to the Salish by retracing your steps, or you can go through
the town of Snoqualmie by coming back Falls Station Rd, turning right on
Renig (if you instead turn left on Renig, you will head out to the stretch
of road used in the opening scene of TP, with the "Welcome to Twin Peaks"
sign in the foreground and the mountain, Mt. Si in real life, in the
background), following it past Mill Pond Rd until it becomes Meadowbrook Av SE.
Meadowbrook will take you back to 203, now called North Bend Blvd (or Sunset
Highway).  Turning right on North Bend Blvd will head you back towards the
Salish.  On this route you will find the Railroad Depot (a very quaint,
attractive building oddly *not* used in the show), *the* gazebo (right in the
middle of town, next to the train station), the giant log (seen in the opening
title sequence of the premiere and in the new Twin Peaks '92 calendar), and a
railroad "museum" (these are *not* the cars used in the show, however, and I
found no museum as such, just these interesting, old train cars and engines
parked along the road).  Parking as close to the railroad cars as you can, you
can walk past them, continue across a wooden bridge/footpath, and follow the
tracks as they disappear into the woods.  A short distance farther you will
find another abandoned train car on the left; this still isn't the one!
You will pass other old engines on the left, and then, perhaps a quarter
mile in along these tracks, you will see a group of cars and engines,
with the two on the right, kind of elevated, and with a lot of foliage
now grown up between you and them, that are obviously the cars used in TP.
There's an ancient, crumbling wood outhouse with a crescent moon cut into
it right next to them, and I'll be darned if I didn't spot the roof of it
in one of the shots from TP once I knew what I was looking at.  I can't
promise that the _Blue Velvet_ robin will still be perched on the top of the
outhouse like it was when I visited (though I suspect there's a nest there)!
You could actually park in a little off-street area right where the tracks
enter the woods, but as the area is marked "No Trespassing", you may not
want to call that much attention to yourself.

Also, taking one of the Greek alphabet streets (Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta,
or Epsilon [really!]) off of 203 (which may be called Sunset Highway in
town) will lead you back to the high school, which was used in the show.
It was undergoing a lot of reconstruction when I was there.  There is also
a small cafe in Snoqualmie called "Big Ed's", which has a Twin Peaks Burger,
but is otherwise unremarkable, and was not in the show.

Though only peripherally related to the show, there's a historic, functioning
train ride available on Saturdays (and Sundays during the summers), which
departs from and returns to the Depot in Snoqualmie.  I wish I'd been able
to ride it.  Maybe next time:-)

Okay, if you've still got energy for sightseeing, turn around, and go back
along 203 (or Sunset Highway or North Bend Blvd) away from the Salish.
Continue on past Meadowbrook, and maybe a mile or two down the road there
will be either a forced or a very obvious right turn onto Taylor Av.  Go
just about 3 blocks, and you will be at "the light", in the town of North
Bend.  This is the only traffic signal in the area, and so is referred to as
"the light", and is, of course, the traffic light from TP.  As you were
approaching the light, you will have passed the Alpine Blossom & Gift Shoppe,
a great place for TP souvenirs.  Right there on the corner at the light, will
be the Mar-T Cafe, known to us, of course, as the Double R Diner.  The coffee's
pretty decent, the cherry pie's ok.  The cardboard hamburgers and fries are
actually pretty good if you like that sort of thing (I do).  The light is at
the corner of Taylor Av and North Bend Way.  If you continue on Taylor past
the light, you will come to a Visitor Information Center (hut on the side of
the road).  They didn't actually have much info on TP when I went there,
though they did direct me to Avery's Artworx, back on North Bend Way (to the
South East, away from Snoqualmie), on the North-East side of the street, where
Avery sells a T-Shirt and a placard with a TP-related design of his own.  And,
as has been mentioned on a.t.tp before, the Alpine Blossom & Gift Shoppe is
the best place to go for the widest range of TP-related goodies.

If you take Taylor on past the Visitor Info Center, you'll hit US 90 (Taylor
is exit #31).  You can take this back towards Snoqualmie to exit #27, curve
under the freeway, and take Winery Road, to... you guessed it... the
Snoqualmie Winery.  This is the site where Laura & Donna & James videotaped
their picnic.  The winery has a surprisingly beautiful view of the area, and is
well worth stopping by.  I didn't get to go to a tasting, but, as I mentioned,
their Cabernet Sauvignon was quite good.

Well, I think that pretty well exhausts the TP-related stuff in the area.  But
who knows, you might get lucky and get to see them doing work on the film
<envious sigh>.  Other things to do in the area include the Herb Farm, which
supposedly has fabulous meals in addition to their attractive farm (I didn't
get to go, however, so this is only from reading a Fodor's).  There is a
fairly decent pizza place in North Bend; I could drive there, but can't recall
the name (sorry), though if I remember right, it caught my eye in the yellow
pages even before the waitress at the Colonial recommended it to us.  And
there's a large collection of warehouse outlet stores right off one of the
US 90 exits (don't recall which one, but it'll be obvious).

Other attractions happen as they might... like the truck full of moose heads
we saw on the freeway, and the one-armed man we spotted on the ferry...
Have a wonderful visit.  We sure did.

Oh yeah, and just for the record, it was on our trip to Twin Peaks that our
half-Newfoundland puppy got his latest nickname... Senor Drool-Pup.
-- -larryy@apple.com "You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple, and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'." - Edmund Blackadder

In article <MUFFY.91Aug21172653@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
> >In article <EcgdFOK00UhW41qFcc@andrew.cmu.edu> lr1b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lisa M. Roraback) writes:
>>>> >>>>On 21-Aug-91 in Bob/Leland                   
>>>> >>>>user Greg Spira@panix.com writes:
>>> >>> 
>>> >>>Was it leland or Bob/Leland that killed Jacques?  If it was Bob,
>>> >>>why bother?  If it was Leland, where was Bob?
> >
>> >>I think it was Leland, BOB would slip to the back of Laura's mind at
>> >>times, she would often wonder is he was still there (secret diary). So
>> >>it would be possible for BOB to leave Leland giving him enough time to
>> >>commit the crime. I mean BOB or no BOB Leland never struck me as to
>> >>solid a guy. 
> >
> >Since Laura was dead, though, this doesn't matter, unless BOB was off
> >possessing someone else altogether, which we have no evidence is/was
> >possible, particularly since BOB killed Leland, presumably to "escape."

Hmm.  I never thought that BOB was in any way confined to Leland, only
that Leland was one of his favorite "vehicles".  I thought that BOB
appeared to (or inside) Laura, at times other than the molestations by
her father - in the woods, for example.  And I thought we were led to
believe that BOB occasionally inhabited owls for whatever reasons.  On
the other hand, I have never held to any of the various theories about
BOB possessing any of the other characters in TP.  To my mind, BOB
killed Leland because he was no longer useful as a vehicle, and it
was the kind of act that would just seem like a good idea to an entity
like BOB, providing a sense a closure and one last ounce of horror to
feed on.

I've wondered about the BOB/Leland question regarding Jacque's death, and
usually end up on the side of Leland.  Among other reasons, is the fact
that Leland generally doesn't remember what BOB does, but he does remember
killing Jacque.  I saw the onset of Leland's madness as a combination of
his natural reaction to the shocking death of his daughter, coupled with
a deterioration of the barrier between BOB and Leland, possibly resulting
from a more frequent inhabition by BOB.
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In article <10640014@hpsciz.sc.hp.com> bobk@hpsciz.sc.hp.com (Bob Kelley) writes:
> >Well, I know a friend who went to Snoqualmie (sp?) and 
> >said that there really is a little diner that looks a lot like
> >the Double R.

I haven't been there, but it's the Mar-T isn't it?

Rocky Giovinazzo

jblum@umd5.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:

> > Uh...  there's the matter of Ben's ALIBI for the night of the murder...
> > and the fact that it was Leland's blood they found on the note...

Hmm... I don't recall either of these -- can you point me to the
references? I haven't had a chance to watch the tapes in a while...

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:

> > ..... I really doubt that Ben was possessed
> > when BOB killed Laura because of Leland's last words before death (see
> > also: secret diary), although it is very likely that Ben was possessed at
> > times.

All Leland's last words show us is that Leland >believed< that he had
killed Laura. What could be more BOBlike than to torment the poor guy
by getting him to think he had killed his daughter?!

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

It was probably BOB who killed Jaques, since Dr. Jacoby said he smelled some-
thing like burning oil at the time when Jaques was killed !

sture

RM>Well, I was at my local Camelot record store over the weekend and over
RM>in the video section there was this big sign that said....
RM> Comming soon on laser disk
RM> Twin Peaks

        Yes, a two hour re-edited pilot (possibly the version
        shown in Europe) is being released this fall.  It
        supposedly contains scenes which put new twists on
        the Laura Palmer plot line. It will be about two hours
        in length, and retail for $ 75.00 or so.

        Also, the individual episodes will be issued on
        video tape beginning October 1.  They'll retail
        for $ 14.95 each.  Episodes 1 through 7 are coming
        first.

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In article <10640013@hpsciz.sc.hp.com> bobk@hpsciz.sc.hp.com (Bob Kelley) writes:

   It was Leland not BOB that killed Jacques Renoir...
     BOB was busy directing and producing DUNE!

Gee, I thought Renoir had been dead for years.  It does fit in with
the directorial jealousy sub-plot, though.

-30-
Bob

``I have just shot down an ornithopter.  Go see to the occupants; if
  they are Sardukar, invite them to lunch.''

Does any one know any thing about the Twin Peaks Movie? Last I hard 
Migloklin agreed, but Boyel and Fen were out. Whats hapening now? Is the 
progect on? When is it exspected to be reliesed. Is it going to be a pre or 
sequil and in what time frame does it take place?

Last year someone posted the following itinerary for the North Bend/
Snoq. Falls area.  I didn't catch the author's name so I don't know
who to credit for the original posting, but this makes for a nice
daytrip for any Twin Peaks fan...


Take I-90 to North Bend.  Go left under the freeway and enter the
town.  The MAR-T Diner (a/k/a R&R) is on your right as you come into
town.  They sell TP goodies.  (So does nearly everyone else in North
Bend....)  From North Bend, follow the signs to Snoqualmie Falls.  The
huge log used in the opening credits is on your left near the railroad
tracks.  Just about 1/4 mile further are the railroad cars where
Cooper and Truman found the half-heart locket and the note.  Continue
west.  You'll see the Salish Lodge which was used for the exteriors of
the Great Northern Hotel.  Stop and look at Snoqualmie Falls if you've
a mind to.  Continue west to the town of Fall City.  As you enter Fall
City, bear left.  Directly ahead of you is a restaurant that was used
for the exterior of the roadhouse (the interiors were fillmed in
Seattle at the Timberline Tavern).  Continue on the road towards I-90.
In Preston, you'll see a kite shop on the left.  That was used for Big
Ed's Gas Farm.  You won't recognize it.  If you have time, turn around
and pass through Fall City.  At the bridge, bear left towards
Carnation.  In Carnation, you will pass an elementary school on the
north side of town.  This is the interior and exterior setting for the
Sherrif's Office.


Eric


-- Eric J. Arendts Applied Microsystems Corp. Redmond, Washington 98073 erica@amc.com (or) ..!uunet!amc-gw!erica

In article <3741@lulea.telesoft.se>, sture@lulea.telesoft.se (Sture Jonsson) writes:
> > It was probably BOB who killed Jaques, since Dr. Jacoby said he smelled some-
> > thing like burning oil at the time when Jaques was killed !

Jacoby later reverses himself and says that he didn't smell it at the hospital;
he smelled it just before he was conked himself.
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In article <56468@apple.Apple.COM>, larryy@Apple.COM (Larry Yaeger) writes:
> > Hmm.  I never thought that BOB was in any way confined to Leland, only
> > that Leland was one of his favorite "vehicles".  I thought that BOB
> > appeared to (or inside) Laura, at times other than the molestations by
> > her father - in the woods, for example.  And I thought we were led to
> > believe that BOB occasionally inhabited owls for whatever reasons.

The OAM said, or at least strongly implied, that BOB needed a human host to
work any significant mischief.  So it's consistent that BOB could appear
to people (in a disembodied fashion) in various places outside Leland.
However, although it isn't made clear whether BOB is strictly a "one-car 
family," the implication is that he is.  He has to "pull the ripcord" to
leave Leland.  The OAM says something about him residing in someone who
lived nearby for the past 40 years (weak, but still there).  Note that 
when BOB appears outside Leland, he never actually DOES any mischief
aside from maybe scaring somebody.
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In article <s1D371w163w@zitt>, joe@zitt (Joe Zitt) writes:
> > jblum@umd5.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:
>> > > Uh...  there's the matter of Ben's ALIBI for the night of the murder...
>> > > and the fact that it was Leland's blood they found on the note...
> > Hmm... I don't recall either of these -- can you point me to the
> > references? I haven't had a chance to watch the tapes in a while...

Ben and Catherine were having it on when Laura was killed.  Remember when
Pete brings Ben (in his jail cell) the tape from Catherine saying that unless
he signs over the property to her, his alibi is sayonara?
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On 22-Aug-91 in Re: Bob/Leland               
user Muffy Barkocy@remarque.b writes:
> >   user Greg Spira@panix.com writes:
> >   > 
> >   >Was it leland or Bob/Leland that killed Jacques?  If it was Bob,
> >   >why bother?  If it was Leland, where was Bob?
> > 
> >   I think it was Leland, BOB would slip to the back of Laura's mind at
> >   times, she would often wonder is he was still there (secret diary). So
> >   it would be possible for BOB to leave Leland giving him enough time to
> >   commit the crime. I mean BOB or no BOB Leland never struck me as to
> >   solid a guy. 
> > 
> >Since Laura was dead, though, this doesn't matter, unless BOB was off
> >possessing someone else altogether, which we have no evidence is/was
> >possible, particularly since BOB killed Leland, presumably to "escape."
> > 
Bob killed Leland for the hell of it. Remember Bob molested Laura as a
child (using Leland's body) but could also go into Laura's mind. Some
times he would attack her mentally, sometimes he wasn't there, and
sometimes he would just lay and wait. I was just saying that it is
possible that Leland killed Jacques himself, Bob just sat back and
watched. I don't think Bob had to kill Leland to escape, how would he
have haunted Laura if he needed to escape from Leland?

In article <s1D371w163w@zitt> joe@zitt (Joe Zitt) writes:
> >jblum@umd5.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:
> >
>> >> Uh...  there's the matter of Ben's ALIBI for the night of the murder...
>> >> and the fact that it was Leland's blood they found on the note...
> >
> >Hmm... I don't recall either of these -- can you point me to the
> >references? I haven't had a chance to watch the tapes in a while...

1) According to Catherine in episode 8 of season 2, she and Ben spent the
night together the night Laura died.  She offered to tell the Sheriff to get
Ben out of jail.

2) Ben's blood test (taken in that same episode) didn't match the writing
on the "Fire Walk With Me" note, though Leland's did.  Unless I'm mistaken,
though, they said Leland's blood type (found on the note) was AB negative...
the same as Jacques'...

So if you want to build a really bizarre theory (based on Catherine lying
and Jacques writing the note), go right ahead.  Just don't expect me to keep
a straight face.  :)

In article <56455@apple.Apple.COM> larryy@Apple.COM (Larry Yaeger) writes:
  [summary of preceding discussion deleted for brevity]

   For what it's worth, I always saw the surface level of that image as the
   first part of Barb's interpretation... good overpowering evil (though the
   idea that it actually feeds on evil is more profound, since it implies that
   good *needs* evil to exist - a very Zen understanding).  But while I can
   see Barb's subsequent interpretation of an exposure to knowledge, the
   very consciously fake nature of the robin has always led me to Wylie's
   interpretation as the deeper meaning of that closing scene... specifically,
   that our usual visions of goodness and love are not at all real.  Still,
   if goodness and love are *not* real, or at least not *enough*, then what
   is?  Well, Barb's final interpretation might make a fine answer... good
   *and* evil, and the knowledge of both.  Layers upon layers.

I appreciate your endorsement, but I tried in my posting to avoid
using the terms "good" and "evil" as part of my interpretation.
Specifically, the bugs to me represent the world of the instincts, an
earthy, creepy, perhaps unpleasant part of life, which is in fact
Frank's whole world.  But I don't think that it is appropriate to
place a moral judgement upon the element that the bugs symbolize.  Of
course, Jeffrey's aunt (as Chris pointed out in the other posting)
can't deal with that element at all, and for her kind there are images
like the flowers against the picket fence and te robin (wihich she
would definitely prefer to see without the bug).

The robin doesn't necessarily represent good either, but rather the
part of life that we might associate with the sky, i.e. purity,
spirit, freedom, hope and striving.  We think of these as"good", and
in fact they do provide the hope and faith in life that the Laura Dern
character is trying to maintain.  But to try to live totally in this
side of life would leave one "grondless"", as spirit and instinct have
to be integrated, and in fact the superficial images of harmony
alluded to above would become one's entire world view, which would be
just as limited (although more socially acceptable) as Frank's purely
instinctual one.

This is why I think that the key is knowledge and completen, rather
than good and evil.  I agree that the mechanical nature of that final
robin image is rather problematical: if it's so central, why is it so
clearly fake?  The question is, does the bug seem any more real than
the robin?  Perhaps it is a statement on the nature of all symbols
that we use to represent complicated concepts. (I'm not completely
comfortable with this explanation, since symbolism is certainly taken
quite seriously in Twin Peaks.)  IT may also be saying that in fact
Jeff and Laura have only begun to integrate all this knowledge and
still are only at a rather superficial level.

An aside on the image of the blue sky at the end: carrying the robin
image further, I am inclined to connect blue with hope or spirit.  The
fascination with blue velvet on Frank's part may have been that it was
his only tie to that spiritual world so alien to his darker,
instinctive one that only knew how to express itself in violence.  The
blue sky may be the first chance that Dorothy Valens has to really
look ahead at a possibility of a hopeful life, after being so enmeshed
in the dark world that Frank has kept her in.

Barb Miller

Did anyone see the article in entertainment weekly 2 weeks ago, the one
before the cover with Bonnie Rait, that quoted Bob Iger as saying that
DL's new sit-com "On the Air" about the early days of television would be
used as a mid season replacement for ABC? I saw this and waited and was
surprised nobody else posted about it.
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In article <Ach0pK600YV981ip5S@andrew.cmu.edu> lr1b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lisa M. Roraback) writes:
   On 22-Aug-91 in Re: Bob/Leland               
   user Muffy Barkocy@remarque.b writes:
   >Since Laura was dead, though, this doesn't matter, unless BOB was off
   >possessing someone else altogether, which we have no evidence is/was
   >possible, particularly since BOB killed Leland, presumably to "escape."
   > 
   Bob killed Leland for the hell of it. Remember Bob molested Laura as a
   child (using Leland's body) but could also go into Laura's mind. Some
   times he would attack her mentally, sometimes he wasn't there, and
   sometimes he would just lay and wait. I was just saying that it is
   possible that Leland killed Jacques himself, Bob just sat back and
   watched. I don't think Bob had to kill Leland to escape, how would he
   have haunted Laura if he needed to escape from Leland?

There was an implication somewhere (at this point, I don't remember
where) that suggested that there were *many* entities like Bob, which
were trying to possess other people, including Laura.  I don't think
that we know for certain that "Bob killed Leland for the hell of it."
Also, Bob could quite conceivably affect Laura's mind without actually
being "in" her, in the sense of leaving Leland and residing in her.

Muffy

larryy@Apple.COM (Larry Yaeger) writes:

> >In article <1991Aug21.114046@sdd.hp.com> bbaer@sdd.hp.com (Brian Baer) writes:
>> >>Star Pics only sells the regular TP CardArt.  If you want the
>> >>*LIMITED EDITION* TP CardArt you can't get them directly from
>> >>Star Pics!  I ordered my sets from Smokeys in Lost Wages, NV.
>> >>The can be reached at 1-800-SMOKEYS (766-5397).  They take MC
>> >>and Visa.

> >Hmm... I know that this has come up before on the net, but I'm not sure I
> >really believe in this *Limited Edition* versus regular TP CardArt.  Why?
> >Well, in the process of ordering sets for friends and getting a couple for
> >myself, I've now bought at least 5 sets... 2 from StarPics by phone/mail
> >order, 2 from a local Sports & other trading cards store, and 1 from a
> >local comic book store.  All 5 sets were identical (I *had* to check and see
> >if any of them had an autographed card, didn't I?).  They all say "Limited
> >Edition" at the top of the back face of every single card.  They all have
> >the little message about checking to see if there's an autographed card and
> >giving a phone number to register your set printed on the side of the box.
> >They all have a number (5 digits, I think) imprinted on the inside of the
> >box lid.

> >Can Brian or anyone else tell me how any other set of TP cards differs from
> >the ones I bought?  (And note that I did get 2 of the sets directly from
> >Star Pics... have they now run out of Limited Edition sets, or what?)

Dredging up my review of the card set, there is the following (which I got
directly from the customer service people at Star Pics):

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

The set I got for $19.95 (and is available in stores for $15) is the Limited
Edition.  I don't know what the price is on the regular set.  I did find out
that the pictures and info on the cards in each set are the same.  The
differences in the Limited Edition:

- The back of each card says "Limited Edition"
- The inside box flap is stamped with a serial number
- Only the Limited Edition sets have random autographed cards

I have no information on how many autographed cards there are, but I'm sure it
can't be too many.  Since the serial number on my box is 17631, I assume the
chances of getting an autographed card are slim.  If you get an autographed
card, the box instructs you to call Star Pics and register it.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

At the time I got mine, Star Pics sold both sets.

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jfr@tellabs.com (John Ryder) writes:
> >
> >Ok, folks, here's the latest on the movie from the Chicago Sun Times (8/19)
> >(courtesy of the LA Times). This article is copied without permission,
> >so please don't tell on me :-).
> >
> >"Peaks" project on the ascent
> >
> >By Elaine Dutka (Los Angeles Times)
> >
> >Director David Lynch's on-again, off-again feature film version of his cult
> >TV series "Twin Peaks" is, well...on again. Kyle MacLachlan, who played the
> >series' central character, FBI Agent Dale Cooper, has dropped his reservations
> >about the project and the movie is scheduled to start shooting in September.
> >
> >The project, tentatively titled "Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me", will feature
> >all the regulars with the exception of Lara Flynn Boyle (MacLachlan's real-life
> >love interest, who played the slain Laura Palmer's best friend on the show),
> >and Sherilyn Fenn (another high school friend of Palmer's). Both actresses
> >reportedly had to bow out because of scheduling conflicts.

[rest of article deleted]

Ok, I can see that they might be able to make the movie without
Audrey, but how do they plan on making the movie without Donna,
Laura's best friend in Twin Peaks?

-- "Coming to you direct from the largest synchronicity hole in the universe, Socorro, New Mexico, its..." Kansas Jim (jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu)

Hi all!
   I have lost the number for the folk that sell the Twin Peaks cards (I think
the name was Star Pics).  Can anybody help?

Matt.

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   Just my guess:  there won't be a TP movie.  The ratings, the cancellation
of the show, and the traffic on this group all make it clear there just
isn't enough interest to make it fly.  Too bad!

ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
> >   Just my guess:  there won't be a TP movie.  The ratings, the cancellation
> >of the show, and the traffic on this group all make it clear there just
> >isn't enough interest to make it fly.  Too bad!

Prepare to eat crow.

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                     |  present tendency toward statism." - Aldous Huxley

In article <56459@apple.Apple.COM>, larryy@Apple.COM (Larry Yaeger) writes:
|> In article <1991Aug21.114046@sdd.hp.com> bbaer@sdd.hp.com (Brian Baer) writes:
|> >Star Pics only sells the regular TP CardArt.  If you want the
|> >*LIMITED EDITION* TP CardArt you can't get them directly from
|> >Star Pics!  I ordered my sets from Smokeys in Lost Wages, NV.
|> >The can be reached at 1-800-SMOKEYS (766-5397).  They take MC
|> >and Visa.
|> 
|> Hmm... I know that this has come up before on the net, but I'm not sure I
|> really believe in this *Limited Edition* versus regular TP CardArt.  Why?
|> Well, in the process of ordering sets for friends and getting a couple for
|> myself, I've now bought at least 5 sets... 2 from StarPics by phone/mail
|> order, 2 from a local Sports & other trading cards store, and 1 from a
|> local comic book store.  All 5 sets were identical (I *had* to check and see
|> if any of them had an autographed card, didn't I?).  They all say "Limited
|> Edition" at the top of the back face of every single card.  They all have
|> the little message about checking to see if there's an autographed card and
|> giving a phone number to register your set printed on the side of the box.
|> They all have a number (5 digits, I think) imprinted on the inside of the
|> box lid.
|> 
|> Can Brian or anyone else tell me how any other set of TP cards differs from
|> the ones I bought?  (And note that I did get 2 of the sets directly from
|> Star Pics... have they now run out of Limited Edition sets, or what?)

In attempt to clear up the controvery regarding the TP CardArt sets...

The information I posted is what I got from Pamela Miller of Star Pics
(West Bloomfield, MI) on the phone.  She told me that they don't sell
the Limited Edition (LE) CardArt sets directly, but I could get the LE
sets from their dealers (like Smokeys).  They only sell the non-LE
sets directly to the public.  Maybe they used to sell the LE sets, but
they don't do it now.  I know, because the first sets they sent me were
*not* LE sets.

Yes, the Limited Edition sets are the ones with the 5 digits on the
inside box lid.  I've seen non-LE cards and they don't have the 5
digits and they don't say "Limited Edition" on each card.  That's the
only difference.  Both types of cards *may* contain an autographed
card, but I haven't seen one yet.  So far I've seen 2 LE and 2 non-LE
CardArt sets.  The LE sets are just a bit harder to get, but they
aren't necessarily more expensive.  In fact, my LE sets from Smokeys
were about $17 each, and the original non-LE sets from Star Pics,
which I returned, were about $20 each.  So order from SMOKEYS if you
want the cards; they're cheaper and you'll get the LE sets.  (No, I
don't work for Smokeys.  :-))

--
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On 22-Aug-91 in Re: More on THE MOVIE...     
user Joe Zitt@zitt writes:
> >All Leland's last words show us is that Leland >believed< that he had
> >killed Laura. What could be more BOBlike than to torment the poor guy
> >by getting him to think he had killed his daughter?!

Now this is an interesting idea. But Laura told Coop in the dream who
killed her, and she did say it was Leland. Also it was Leland's blood on
the note.

On 22-Aug-91 in Re: More on THE MOVIE...     
user Joe Zitt@zitt writes:
> > 
>> >> Uh...  there's the matter of Ben's ALIBI for the night of the murder...
>> >> and the fact that it was Leland's blood they found on the note...
> > 
> >Hmm... I don't recall either of these -- can you point me to the
> >references? I haven't had a chance to watch the tapes in a while...
> > 
Yep, it was Leland's blood. When Coop gets the lab report back, he read
it, says just as I thought, and puts it away. He then tells Harry that
it was Leland's blood after Leland dies.

In article <1991Aug23.134723.15168@auto-trol.com> mattel@auto-trol.com (Matt Telles) writes:
> >   I have lost the number for the folk that sell the Twin Peaks cards (I think
> >the name was Star Pics).  Can anybody help?

Could somebody PUH-LEEEEEASE put this in the FAQ???
Or if it's in there, please post it...AGAIN.  This 
is one of those questions that keeps popping up every 
three days, or so it seems!

Ho-hum,
Thanx.

> >Bob said he has to "pull that ripcord" to leave Leland<

I believe the ripcord was about making Leland remember all he had done.
Didn't the line go something like this? "When I leave I'm going to pull
that ripcord and just watch him remember..."

In article <IchJA1a00YV_01Zv1S@andrew.cmu.edu> lr1b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lisa M. Roraback) writes:
> >On 22-Aug-91 in Re: More on THE MOVIE...     
> >user Joe Zitt@zitt writes:
>> >>All Leland's last words show us is that Leland >believed< that he had
>> >>killed Laura. What could be more BOBlike than to torment the poor guy
>> >>by getting him to think he had killed his daughter?!
> >
> >Now this is an interesting idea. But Laura told Coop in the dream who
> >killed her, and she did say it was Leland. Also it was Leland's blood on
> >the note.

  This is only half-correct. The exact words Laura said to Coop in the above-
  mentioned sequence were "MY FATHER KILLED ME." Laura never said her father's 
  name. It has been mentioned by several posters that one off-the-wall
  possibility is --> Leland is NOT Laura's father. Ben Horne, maybe?
  
  Before anyone catches me on this, I admit this doesn't explain the
  fact that Leland remembers killing her as he dies in Coop's lap.
  But we're talking about things concevied by David Lynch! I think his vision
  of the 'truth' (no philosophy flames, please) was not completely aired.
  (I will resist the strong urge to flame the Nielsen system into rubble.) 

  The blood on the note was indeed Leland's bloodTYPE. So what? Yes, it
  may have been the rarest blood type. But I'm sure there are more than several
  people in Twin Peaks with AB- (isn't this the one? I'm not sure). This could
  be a red herring a la Lynch. Or not. We don't know. And besides, Bob is a 
  pretty evil guy. I think he has it in him to create false memories in Leland.
  Or not. I don't know; no one except Mr. Lynch himself knows that (assuming 
  that he thought the plot all the way through).
                  Ronald Philip Lee Tanner, BASW Cal 1992.
                    Internet: philfree@ocf.berkeley.edu

********************************************************************************

In article <1991Aug22.174212.10335@amc.com> erica@anabol.amc.com () writes:
> >Last year someone posted the following itinerary for the North Bend/
> >Snoq. Falls area.  I didn't catch the author's name so I don't know
> >who to credit for the original posting, but this makes for a nice
> >daytrip for any Twin Peaks fan...
> >
> >[directions and stuff deleted]
> >Directly ahead of you is a restaurant that was used
> >for the exterior of the roadhouse (the interiors were fillmed in
> >Seattle at the Timberline Tavern).

That's the first I've heard about the Timberline Tavern serving as the
interior for the Roadhouse.  Can anybody confirm this?

> >[more stuff deleted]
> >... pass through Fall City.  At the bridge, bear left towards
> >Carnation.  In Carnation, you will pass an elementary school on the
> >north side of town.  This is the interior and exterior setting for the
> >Sherrif's Office.

Both the local people and various magazine articles claim that the
administrative office for Weyerhauser Mill was used for the Sherrif's
Office.  Having been there, and noting the exterior of the building,
"Lucy's office", and the stone marker at the entrance to the building,
I am quite certain that this is the case.  If the Carnation elementary
school was used in TP, it wasn't for the Sherrif's office, and I don't
believe it has been mentioned in any published articles on TP.
-- -larryy@apple.com "You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple, and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'." - Edmund Blackadder

James has a new movie which is 'soon' to be released. I was lucky (or was it
unlucky) enough to have had the opportunity to view the movie through one of
those deals where you get to watch a soon to be released movie for free but
answer a questionaire at the end of viewing it.

Get this. James has the starring role and plays a boxer. The title of the
movie is "Gladiator." The only other actors/actresses of prominence is Brian
Denehy.

How did the audience react to the movie? They seemed to like it! The house
was screaming and yelling over the exciting boxing matches.


Louie

Isn't it possable that BOB could leave Lealand and haunt other people, but 
that he was permenetly tied to Lealand and wanted hem out of the picture 
tota?

lr1b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lisa M. Roraback) writes:

> > Now this is an interesting idea. But Laura told Coop in the dream who
> > killed her, and she did say it was Leland. Also it was Leland's blood on
> > the note.

To further beat this dying horse (which, I admit, is getting increasingly
goofy), Laura said "My father killed me." Now if Ben really was her father...
but of course that doesn't explain the blood. (But wasn't there some sort
of continuity error about blood types?

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

> >
> >Ok, I can see that they might be able to make the movie without
> >Audrey, but how do they plan on making the movie without Donna,
> >Laura's best friend in Twin Peaks?
> >
But, isn't the film supposed to be a "prequel"? In that case, I can
see how they could do without Donna and Audrey, but that also means
that Kyle McL's part would be big, and I heard he was negotiating
for only a few days of filming.

Ah well, I'm not going to worry about it. When I've bought my ticket
and settle in my seat, the lights go down and the film starts...
then I'll know. I'm looking forward to whatever it will end up being,
and whoever ends up being in it.

Vickie
katefans@chinet.chi.il.us

In article <1991Aug22.220620.3157@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> clc5_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Booo Yaaaa!) writes:
> >Did anyone see the article in entertainment weekly 2 weeks ago, the one
> >before the cover with Bonnie Rait, that quoted Bob Iger as saying that
> >DL's new sit-com "On the Air" about the early days of television would be
> >used as a mid season replacement for ABC? I saw this and waited and was
> >surprised nobody else posted about it.

I was surprised by this because I thought "On the Air" would be
on the air much earlier- i.e. this September.  Also, there was another
recent article in E.W. that said Lynch did some scene were he had 
Hawk carry rocks around while wearing pot holders.  He asked Lynch
what it was supposed to mean and Lynch replied, It doesn't mean
anything.  I just wanted to see what you looked like in pot holders.
(not exact quote- sorry).

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <AchJ9sa00YV_41Zu8a@andrew.cmu.edu> lr1b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lisa M. Roraback) writes:
> >On 22-Aug-91 in Re: More on THE MOVIE...     
> >user Joe Zitt@zitt writes:
>>> >>> Uh...  there's the matter of Ben's ALIBI for the night of the murder...
>>> >>> and the fact that it was Leland's blood they found on the note...
 
> >Yep, it was Leland's blood. When Coop gets the lab report back, he read
> >it, says just as I thought, and puts it away. He then tells Harry that
> >it was Leland's blood after Leland dies.

Actually, I thought that Coop, Truman, and Albert all read the 
blood test report at once.  The audience just didn't find out until
after Leland died.

By the way, why the heck was a blood test even necessary?  Don't 
doctors keep records of these things?  I suppose Ben or anyone else
never had blood tests done?

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <1991Aug23.223745.4795@agate.berkeley.edu> philfree@headcrash.Berkeley.EDU (Philip Lee Tanner) writes:
> >In article <IchJA1a00YV_01Zv1S@andrew.cmu.edu> lr1b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lisa M. Roraback) writes:
>> >>user Joe Zitt@zitt writes:
>> >>Now this is an interesting idea. But Laura told Coop in the dream who
>> >>killed her, and she did say it was Leland. Also it was Leland's blood on
>> >>the note.

> >  This is only half-correct. The exact words Laura said to Coop in the above-
> >  mentioned sequence were "MY FATHER KILLED ME." Laura never said her father's 
> >  name. It has been mentioned by several posters that one off-the-wall
> >  possibility is --> Leland is NOT Laura's father. Ben Horne, maybe?
Bzzzzzztt!  Ben was with Catherine.
  
> >  Before anyone catches me on this, I admit this doesn't explain the
> >  fact that Leland remembers killing her as he dies in Coop's lap.
> >  But we're talking about things concevied by David Lynch! I think his vision
> >  of the 'truth' (no philosophy flames, please) was not completely aired.
> >  (I will resist the strong urge to flame the Nielsen system into rubble.) 

> >  The blood on the note was indeed Leland's bloodTYPE. So what? Yes, it
> >  may have been the rarest blood type. But I'm sure there are more than several
> >  people in Twin Peaks with AB- (isn't this the one? I'm not sure). This could
> >  be a red herring a la Lynch. Or not. We don't know. And besides, Bob is a 
> >  pretty evil guy. I think he has it in him to create false memories in Leland.
> >  Or not. I don't know; no one except Mr. Lynch himself knows that (assuming 
> >  that he thought the plot all the way through).
My old Chemistry prof. had AB- (I think) and told me that less
than 5% of the population has this type.  According to the Access
Guide, of the 5120.1 people in Twin Peaks (whatever that means), you
could maybe presume that less than 256 people have this type-- and we
all know what this means!  If we take away 1 for the killer from 256,
then we get 255 innocent people.  If you add those digits together, you
get 12 which is the number of trees in the Glastonberry Grove circle
and also the number of rainbow trout in Pete's truck.  Add those digits
together and you get 3 which represents the trinity of Black Lodge 
entities-- 1. LMFAP, 2. Giant, 3. BOB.  So you can see that Leland's
blood type was leading us to the Black Lodge all along.  If only Coop
could have figured this out, he might have beat WE to the Black 
Lodge.

rambling-ly yours,
Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <1991Aug24.201436.5049@chinet.chi.il.us> katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris'n'Vickie of Chicago) writes:
>> >>
>> >>Ok, I can see that they might be able to make the movie without
>> >>Audrey, but how do they plan on making the movie without Donna,
>> >>Laura's best friend in Twin Peaks?
>> >>
> >But, isn't the film supposed to be a "prequel"? In that case, I can
> >see how they could do without Donna and Audrey, but that also means
> >that Kyle McL's part would be big, and I heard he was negotiating
> >for only a few days of filming.

I don't understand.  A Twin Peaks movie, by definition, should take place *in*
Twin Peaks.  If it is a prequel, then it takes place before Kyle ever got
to TP.  His part *should* be small, unless the movie is going to include
elements not central to the presumably main plot, revolving around Laura
Palmer.  Donna, and possibly Audrey, however, certainly must be included, as
*they were* in TP and interacted with Laura before her death.


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giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:

> > I was surprised by this because I thought "On the Air" would be
> > on the air much earlier- i.e. this September.  Also, there was another
> > recent article in E.W. that said Lynch did some scene were he had 
> > Hawk carry rocks around while wearing pot holders.  He asked Lynch
> > what it was supposed to mean and Lynch replied, It doesn't mean
> > anything.  I just wanted to see what you looked like in pot holders.
> > (not exact quote- sorry).

By the way, if any of you with tapes of the series are curious as to
how Hawk looks in oven mitts, it's in the Rocks and Bottles scene of the
second hour-long episode (The Dream of the Dancing Dwarf).

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

appel@ocf.Berkeley.EDU (Shannon D. Appel) writes:

> >Sometimes, the real world is stranger than fantasy.

Think maybe someone in the Weather Bureau is a TP fan?

AIIIIIGHHHHRRRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!! ENOUGH!!!!

Since Posting the idea of a twin Peaks PBem Game, I have been sw
ACCESS GUIDE), I couldn't possibly provide enough characters for everybody!
Maybe a fan fiction magazine, or maybe an interactive??

The PBem game isn't dead, it's just resting.
After all, it needs a Human Host.....
Since the town only has a population of 52,50.1(according to the ACCESS GUIDE)

Can some kind soul out there in the US please tell me of a way to get hold of
copies of the TwinPeaks soundtrack on LP. The european pressings available here
in Sweden sound quite awful, so I'd thought I'd try an american pressing.

So if anyone knows of a store or mailorder company where I can order this recordI'd really appreciate it !

Thanx,
Sture

In article <1991Aug23.145054.16948@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
> >    Just my guess:  there won't be a TP movie.  The ratings, the cancellation
> > of the show, and the traffic on this group all make it clear there just
> > isn't enough interest to make it fly.  Too bad!

Faulty reasoning, seems to me. If TP hadn't been cancelled, there probably
wouldn't be a movie (at least not this soon), and if the ratings hadn't
been so bad it wouldn't have been cancelled. As for traffic on this group,
assuming anyone in Lynch/Frost Productions ever reads this, I doubt they
would base a decision to make or not make a movie on how many people discuss
a cancelled TV show. Just my 2 cents.

-- Tim Calvert BITNET: tim@marshall Marshall University Internet: tim@marshall.wvnet.edu Huntington, WV Phone: (304)696-3210 FAX: (304)696-3601

In article <1991Aug25.011450.28601@risky.ecs.umass.edu>, giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
> > My old Chemistry prof. had AB- (I think) and told me that less
> > than 5% of the population has this type.  According to the Access
> > Guide, of the 5120.1 people in Twin Peaks (whatever that means), you
> > could maybe presume that less than 256 people have this type-- and we
> > all know what this means!  If we take away 1 for the killer from 256,
> > then we get 255 innocent people.  If you add those digits together, you
> > get 12 which is the number of trees in the Glastonberry Grove circle
> > and also the number of rainbow trout in Pete's truck.  Add those digits
> > together and you get 3 which represents the trinity of Black Lodge 
> > entities-- 1. LMFAP, 2. Giant, 3. BOB.  So you can see that Leland's
> > blood type was leading us to the Black Lodge all along.  If only Coop
> > could have figured this out, he might have beat WE to the Black 
> > Lodge.
> > 
> > rambling-ly yours,
> > Rocky Giovinazzo

Wow Rock wow! (I got dizzy trying to follow that.) :-)

-- Tim Calvert BITNET: tim@marshall Marshall University Internet: tim@marshall.wvnet.edu Huntington, WV Phone: (304)696-3210 FAX: (304)696-3601

> > In article <1991Aug23.223745.4795@agate.berkeley.edu> philfree@headcrash.Berk
>> > >In article <IchJA1a00YV_01Zv1S@andrew.cmu.edu> lr1b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lisa M.
>>> > >>user Joe Zitt@zitt writes:
>>> > >>Now this is an interesting idea. But Laura told Coop in the dream who
>>> > >>killed her, and she did say it was Leland. Also it was Leland's blood on
>>> > >>the note.
> > 
>> > >  This is only half-correct. The exact words Laura said to Coop in the above
>> > >  mentioned sequence were "MY FATHER KILLED ME." Laura never said her father
>> > >  name. It has been mentioned by several posters that one off-the-wall
>> > >  possibility is --> Leland is NOT Laura's father. Ben Horne, maybe?
> > Bzzzzzztt!  Ben was with Catherine.
> >   
>> > >  Before anyone catches me on this, I admit this doesn't explain the
>> > >  fact that Leland remembers killing her as he dies in Coop's lap.
>> > >  But we're talking about things concevied by David Lynch! I think his visio
>> > >  of the 'truth' (no philosophy flames, please) was not completely aired.
>> > >  (I will resist the strong urge to flame the Nielsen system into rubble.) 
> > 
>> > >  The blood on the note was indeed Leland's bloodTYPE. So what? Yes, it
>> > >  may have been the rarest blood type. But I'm sure there are more than seve
>> > >  people in Twin Peaks with AB- (isn't this the one? I'm not sure). This cou
>> > >  be a red herring a la Lynch. Or not. We don't know. And besides, Bob is a 
>> > >  pretty evil guy. I think he has it in him to create false memories in Lela
>> > >  Or not. I don't know; no one except Mr. Lynch himself knows that (assuming
> > My old Chemistry prof. had AB- (I think) and told me that less
> > than 5% of the population has this type.  According to the Access
> > Guide, of the 5120.1 people in Twin Peaks (whatever that means), you
> > could maybe presume that less than 256 people have this type-- and we
> > all know what this means!  If we take away 1 for the killer from 256,
> > then we get 255 innocent people.  If you add those digits together, you
> > get 12 which is the number of trees in the Glastonberry Grove circle
> > and also the number of rainbow trout in Pete's truck.  Add those digits
> > together and you get 3 which represents the trinity of Black Lodge 
> > entities-- 1. LMFAP, 2. Giant, 3. BOB.  So you can see that Leland's
> > blood type was leading us to the Black Lodge all along.  If only Coop
> > could have figured this out, he might have beat WE to the Black 
> > Lodge.
> > 
> > rambling-ly yours,
> > Rocky Giovinazzo

Isn't it possable that thst is just a coinsidence. It seems a little too 
fare detched to get to the black lodge by adding numbers togather. I didn't 
even think thehad an accurate count of the population in TP.

salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Gregory Salmieri) writes:

>> > > In article <1991Aug23.223745.4795@agate.berkeley.edu> philfree@headcrash.Be
>>> > > >In article <IchJA1a00YV_01Zv1S@andrew.cmu.edu> lr1b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lisa 
>>>> > > >>user Joe Zitt@zitt writes:
>>>> > > >>Now this is an interesting idea. But Laura told Coop in the dream who
>>>> > > >>killed her, and she did say it was Leland. Also it was Leland's blood on
>>>> > > >>the note.
>> > > 
>>> > > >  This is only half-correct. The exact words Laura said to Coop in the abo
>>> > > >  mentioned sequence were "MY FATHER KILLED ME." Laura never said her fath
>>> > > >  name. It has been mentioned by several posters that one off-the-wall
>>> > > >  possibility is --> Leland is NOT Laura's father. Ben Horne, maybe?
>> > > Bzzzzzztt!  Ben was with Catherine.
>> > >   
>>> > > >  Before anyone catches me on this, I admit this doesn't explain the
>>> > > >  fact that Leland remembers killing her as he dies in Coop's lap.
>>> > > >  But we're talking about things concevied by David Lynch! I think his vis
>>> > > >  of the 'truth' (no philosophy flames, please) was not completely aired.
>>> > > >  (I will resist the strong urge to flame the Nielsen system into rubble.)
>> > > 
>>> > > >  The blood on the note was indeed Leland's bloodTYPE. So what? Yes, it
>>> > > >  may have been the rarest blood type. But I'm sure there are more than se
>>> > > >  people in Twin Peaks with AB- (isn't this the one? I'm not sure). This c
>>> > > >  be a red herring a la Lynch. Or not. We don't know. And besides, Bob is 
>>> > > >  pretty evil guy. I think he has it in him to create false memories in Le
>>> > > >  Or not. I don't know; no one except Mr. Lynch himself knows that (assumi
>> > > My old Chemistry prof. had AB- (I think) and told me that less
>> > > than 5% of the population has this type.  According to the Access
>> > > Guide, of the 5120.1 people in Twin Peaks (whatever that means), you
>> > > could maybe presume that less than 256 people have this type-- and we
>> > > all know what this means!  If we take away 1 for the killer from 256,
>> > > then we get 255 innocent people.  If you add those digits together, you
>> > > get 12 which is the number of trees in the Glastonberry Grove circle
>> > > and also the number of rainbow trout in Pete's truck.  Add those digits
>> > > together and you get 3 which represents the trinity of Black Lodge 
>> > > entities-- 1. LMFAP, 2. Giant, 3. BOB.  So you can see that Leland's
>> > > blood type was leading us to the Black Lodge all along.  If only Coop
>> > > could have figured this out, he might have beat WE to the Black 
>> > > Lodge.
>> > > 
>> > > rambling-ly yours,
>> > > Rocky Giovinazzo
> > 
> > Isn't it possable that thst is just a coinsidence. It seems a little too 
e fetched to get to the black lodge by adding numbers togather. I didn't
> > even think thehad an accurate count of the population in TP.

As others have mentioned recently, I do think we should look at the
possibility that Ben killed Laura.  The line as others have pointed
out that Coop heard in his dream is "My father killed me."  Not
Leland or Leland Palmer killed me but my father.  In the land
of Peaks one should never assume that LEland is LAura's father.  I
believe the secret bio hints at the fact that Ben is Laura's father.
Remember the line about someday I am gonna tell the world about 
Ben.  Most jump to the conclusion that LP and Ben were lovers but
what about the chance that he was her father (also add into the mix that
he probably fathered Donna).  What do others think?

Todd

In article <3745@lulea.telesoft.se> sture@lulea.telesoft.se (Sture Jonsson) writes:

> >Can some kind soul out there in the US please tell me of a way to get hold of
> >copies of the TwinPeaks soundtrack on LP. The european pressings available here
> >in Sweden sound quite awful, so I'd thought I'd try an american pressing.

> >So if anyone knows of a store or mailorder company where I can order this recordI'd really appreciate it !

Noteworthy ships overseas and they probably have
the disc.  You can call 818-407-5700 in the U.S.  They also have an 800
number 800-346-9233 which you probably can't access from Sweden.

Rocky Giovinazzo

Rest assured, it is going to be available in the US, too.  A recent
article in the Sunday paper said that the first season (7 episodes)
will be released Sept. 13. The pilot is already available.  Also
to be released soon is the European version of the movie, complete
with different ending in which Leland didn't kill Laura!

The article didn't say how to order these, or where they were being
distributed.

Brian WOOD    *House address 710 -- same as Blue Lady's apt in Blue Velvet
              *Just got through studying major religious works like Ben Horne
              *Live next to a grove of TREES
              *My wife's aunt's name is Annie; my sister's name is Anne
              *My wife grew up next to a forest; next street - Glastonbury

> > Does any one know any thing about the Twin Peaks Movie? Last I hard
       anyone       anything                       movie         heard
> > Migloklin agreed, but Boyel and Fen were out. Whats hapening now? Is the
  MacLachlan            Boyle     Fenn          What's happening
> > progect on? When is it exspected to be reliesed. Is it going to be a pre or
  project                expected        released?                     prequel
> > sequil and in what time frame does it take place?
  sequel

This is a joke, right?

Brian

Anyone want to bet on how long the network lets the show run before
they decide to kill it?  'It's not an instant hit so we have to cancel
it.'  

That's assuming they even go through with using it as a mid-season
replacement.  The current attitude in network tv is to play it safe
and after TP not being a success in the ratings game they will
probably be waiting for the first sign of bad ratings to kill Lynch's
new show too.

-- "Coming to you direct from the largest synchronicity hole in the universe, Socorro, New Mexico, its..." Kansas Jim (jogle@zia.aoc.nrao.edu)

On 23-Aug-91 in Re: More on THE MOVIE...     
user Philip Lee Tanner@headcr writes:
> >  This is only half-correct. The exact words Laura said to Coop in the above-
> >  mentioned sequence were "MY FATHER KILLED ME." Laura never said her
father's 
> >  name. It has been mentioned by several posters that one off-the-wall
> >  possibility is --> Leland is NOT Laura's father. Ben Horne, maybe?
> >  
> >  Before anyone catches me on this, I admit this doesn't explain the
> >  fact that Leland remembers killing her as he dies in Coop's lap.
> >  But we're talking about things concevied by David Lynch! I think his vision
> >  of the 'truth' (no philosophy flames, please) was not completely aired.
> >  (I will resist the strong urge to flame the Nielsen system into rubble.) 
> > 
> >  The blood on the note was indeed Leland's bloodTYPE. So what? Yes, it
> >  may have been the rarest blood type. But I'm sure there are more than
several
> >  people in Twin Peaks with AB- (isn't this the one? I'm not sure). This could
> >  be a red herring a la Lynch. Or not. We don't know. And besides, Bob is a 
> >  pretty evil guy. I think he has it in him to create false memories in
Leland.
> >  Or not. I don't know; no one except Mr. Lynch himself knows that (assuming 
> >  that he thought the plot all the way through).

AB- I believe is the rarest blood type, I think only 1 out of 200 have
it. It is very possible that Leland was the only person in town who had
this type. Now I do think it would be interesting if Leland wasn't
Laura's father but I don't think it would be Ben. It would be to
obvious, how about Pete? 



lisa roraback

lr1b+@andrew.cmu.edu
===============================================================================
=

"First things first, but not necessarily in that order"  Dr. Who

On 26-Aug-91 in Re: More on THE MOVIE...     
user Rocky J Giovinazzo@risky writes:
> >The story about Laura's horse Troy makes it seem like Ben either wanted
> >her to be his daughter or that he actually is her father
> >and perhaps this has something to do with her statement about someday
> >telling the world who Ben Horne really is.


Remember that Ben was in love with Laura, or at least that's what he
told Audrey. He was also sleeping with her up at One Eyed Jack's, now
Ben would have to be pretty sick to be sleeping with his own daughter. I
still think its possible that Leland wasn't Laura's father, but I don't
think it would be Ben, its to obvious.

--lisa

In article <MciHXda00UhWQ1quVm@andrew.cmu.edu> lr1b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lisa M. Roraback) writes:

> >AB- I believe is the rarest blood type, I think only 1 out of 200 have
> >it. It is very possible that Leland was the only person in town who had
> >this type. Now I do think it would be interesting if Leland wasn't
> >Laura's father but I don't think it would be Ben. It would be to
> >obvious, how about Pete? 

I previously posted 5%, but you could be right about 0.5%.  0.5% of
5120.1 would still be 25.6 so that yes, it could be very possible that
Leland was the only one in town with AB-.  I still like the theory that
the father of Maddy and Laura are "one and the same" (say with
Black-Lodgian accent) if Sarah and Beth (Maddy's mom) are sisters.
The story about Laura's horse Troy makes it seem like Ben either wanted
her to be his daughter or that he actually is her father
and perhaps this has something to do with her statement about someday
telling the world who Ben Horne really is.

or-not-ly yours,
Rocky Giovinazzo

I'm not so sure about the signifance, but a typical Lynch technique
seems to be focusing in on inanimate objects for a few seconds (eg.
Twin Peaks, Wild at Heart, Eraserhead).  There may not be any significance
at all, Lynch just thought those were interesting objects to shoot.

Then again, here's a potenial explanation for the traffic lights.  If
you think about what the colors mean (green=go, red=stop), the lights
often fit into the storyline.  For example, if I remember the first 
episode correctly, shortly after the discovery of Laura's death, we
see a red traffic light, indicating the desire for all the craziness to
stop.

So much for my two cents worth!

Alexa Johnson
johnson@tramp.colorado.edu

Yes, I would say that watching the rest of the episodes is worth it.
I'd say I was saddened by the ending more than disappointed.

 --- Joe M.

Just returned from Snoqualmie/North Bend and ...

The movie starts filming September 3 in Snoqualmie/North Bend, Washington.
It is a prequel and takes place seven days before the murder of Laura Palmer.

This information from the owner of the Alpine Blossom & Gift Shoppe in North
Bend, WA. As mentioned before, this shop is the best place in the area for
Twin Peaks merchandise.

Thanks to Larry Yaeger for his excellent trip guide. A couple of comments:

    1. The cherry pie at the Mar-T cafe is indeed OK. However, the *blackberry*
       pie is fantastic.

    2. The Ronette Pulaski railroad bridge is marked incorrectly on the fancy
       $8 dollar map. The location marked on the $.75 cent hand-drawn map is
       the correct location.

The tourist train ride in Snoqualmie is not that worthwhile. This summer the
train does not actually go all the way to North Bend like is usually does. It
goes perhaps one mile in the North Bend direction. Then it goes the other way
to Snoqualmie Falls which is less than a mile from the train station. You can't
actually see the falls from the train but you do get a good view of the Salish
Lodge and the canyon below the falls. The whole trip only took 35 minutes.

Steve Herring        stevenh@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM        (503) 627-1498

In article <1991Aug26.153127.4516@wums2.wustl.edu> furesz_t@wums2.wustl.edu writes:
> >As others have mentioned recently, I do think we should look at the
> >possibility that Ben killed Laura.  The line as others have pointed
> >out that Coop heard in his dream is "My father killed me."  Not
> >Leland or Leland Palmer killed me but my father.  In the land
> >of Peaks one should never assume that LEland is LAura's father.  I
> >believe the secret bio hints at the fact that Ben is Laura's father.
> >Remember the line about someday I am gonna tell the world about 
> >Ben.  Most jump to the conclusion that LP and Ben were lovers but
> >what about the chance that he was her father (also add into the mix that
> >he probably fathered Donna).  What do others think?

I've now programmed this into a function key->

Ben was with Catherine the night of Laura's death.  

Of course, this doesn't mean that Leland was Laura's father.

If we're going to debate the Laura's father issue, you have to first
consider whether Laura knew who her true father was when she said, 
"My father killed me."  (There's also the possibility that "my father"
refers to BOB-- BOB's victims were apparently his "children.") 

Rocky Giovinazzo

This has got to be one of the "Most Excellent" newsnets I have seen!
I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THIS NEWSNET WAS ON HERE UNTIL NOW, MY EXTREME LOSS!
WOE IS ME, WOE IS ME!  MY WIFE TEACHES SCHOOL IN A SMALL TOWN HERE IN NORTHEAST
KANSAS.  SHE AND A HANDFULL OF STUDENTS HAVE BECOME LOYAL CULT FOLLOWERS OF
TWIN PEAKS.  (SHE NAMED OUR CAT "COOPER ANNIE" IF THAT GIVES YOU A CLUE)
ONE OF HER STUDENTS WOULD JUST DIE IF HE KNEW THIS NEWSNET EXISTED.  THANKFULLY
HE DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE UNIVERSITY NETWORK. (THANKFULLY FOR YOU, OF
COURSE, SINCE HE WOULD BE LOGGED ON NEARLY TWENTY FOUR HOURS A DAY.

HERE'S A QUESTION FOR THE COGNICENTI OF TWIN PEAKS EVANGELISTS:

WHY DID EVERYONE'S (EVERYONE LIVING IN TWIN PEAKS, THAT IS) HAND SHAKE
WHEN WINDAM EARL WAS ATTEMPTING TO ACCESS THE PETROGLYPH AT OWL CAVE?

AND WHAT EXACLY DID THE LOG LADY'S HUSBAND HAVE TO DO WITH THE BURNT
MOTOR OIL AND GLASTONBURY GROVE, OR DID I MISS THE POINT?

2fowGODSON@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu

and my contribution to the wierd quotes following postings:

BOB!  BOB-oh!  BOBarammmavitch!  The BOBmeister!  Sir Bob of Boblandia!
As lovingly rendered by a Rob Schneider (SNL) impersonator.

lr1b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lisa M. Roraback) writes:

> > told Audrey. He was also sleeping with her up at One Eyed Jack's, now
> > Ben would have to be pretty sick to be sleeping with his own daughter. I
> > still think its possible that Leland wasn't Laura's father, but I don't
> > think it would be Ben, its to obvious.

How is it too obvious? If it's because Donna is Ben's daughter too, I might
discount that, as the Donna plotthread spun up from out of nowhere in the
last few episodes. This leads me to think that that (like just about 
> >everything< that happened after Leland's death) was tossed in late in the
game; I would be extremely surprised if anyone back in the early planning
stages had a clue that Donna's parentage was in doubt.

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

lr1b+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lisa M. Roraback) writes:
> >On 23-Aug-91 in Re: More on THE MOVIE...     

> >user Philip Lee Tanner@headcr writes:
>> >>  This is only half-correct. The exact words Laura said to Coop in the above-
>> >>  mentioned sequence were "MY FATHER KILLED ME." Laura never said her
> >father's 
>> >>  name. It has been mentioned by several posters that one off-the-wall
>> >>  possibility is --> Leland is NOT Laura's father. Ben Horne, maybe?
>> >>  
>> >>  Before anyone catches me on this, I admit this doesn't explain the
>> >>  fact that Leland remembers killing her as he dies in Coop's lap.
>> >>  But we're talking about things concevied by David Lynch! I think his vision
>> >>  of the 'truth' (no philosophy flames, please) was not completely aired.
>> >>  (I will resist the strong urge to flame the Nielsen system into rubble.) 
>> >> 
>> >>  The blood on the note was indeed Leland's bloodTYPE. So what? Yes, it
>> >>  may have been the rarest blood type. But I'm sure there are more than
> >several
>> >>  people in Twin Peaks with AB- (isn't this the one? I'm not sure). This could
>> >>  be a red herring a la Lynch. Or not. We don't know. And besides, Bob is a 
>> >>  pretty evil guy. I think he has it in him to create false memories in
> >Leland.
>> >>  Or not. I don't know; no one except Mr. Lynch himself knows that (assuming 
>> >>  that he thought the plot all the way through).

> >AB- I believe is the rarest blood type, I think only 1 out of 200 have
> >it. It is very possible that Leland was the only person in town who had
> >this type. Now I do think it would be interesting if Leland wasn't
> >Laura's father but I don't think it would be Ben. It would be to
> >obvious, how about Pete? 



> >lisa roraback

> >lr1b+@andrew.cmu.edu
> >===============================================================================
> >=

> >"First things first, but not necessarily in that order"  Dr. Who


Humm, getting vi to do anyhting is not really much fun!


there are more than 2000 people living in Twin Peaks (look at the roadsign "welcome to.."

)

statistically speaking, wouldn't there be about 10 people in twin peaks with type AB-
blood?
(still 1/2 of a %, but 10 is 1000% of 1)

One thing I remember hearing about the mechanical Robin was that it was based
on a similar thing in "Bed Knobs and Broom Sticks" which appeared during the
song: "A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down"

I haven't seen this film so I can't verify it.

Steve.

>> >> My old Chemistry prof. had AB- (I think) and told me that less
>> >> than 5% of the population has this type.  According to the Access
>> >> Guide, of the 5120.1 people in Twin Peaks (whatever that means), you
>> >> could maybe presume that less than 256 people have this type-- and we
>> >> all know what this means!  If we take away 1 for the killer from 256,
>> >> then we get 255 innocent people.  If you add those digits together, you
>> >> get 12 which is the number of trees in the Glastonberry Grove circle
>> >> and also the number of rainbow trout in Pete's truck.  Add those digits
>> >> together and you get 3 which represents the trinity of Black Lodge 
>> >> entities-- 1. LMFAP, 2. Giant, 3. BOB.  So you can see that Leland's
>> >> blood type was leading us to the Black Lodge all along.  If only Coop
>> >> could have figured this out, he might have beat WE to the Black 
>> >> Lodge.
>> >> 
>> >> rambling-ly yours,
>> >> Rocky Giovinazzo
> >
> >Isn't it possable that thst is just a coinsidence. It seems a little too 
> >fare detched to get to the black lodge by adding numbers togather. I didn't 
> >even think thehad an accurate count of the population in TP.

Well, if you look in the dictionary somewhere between joist and
jolification, you'll find this word spelled j-o-k-e!  Did you actually
believe me to be serious about the above theory?

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <1570@sys.uea.ac.uk>, swc@sys.uea.ac.uk (S.W. Cox CMP Staff) writes:
> > One thing I remember hearing about the mechanical Robin was that it was based
> > on a similar thing in "Bed Knobs and Broom Sticks" which appeared during the
> > song: "A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down"
> > 
> > I haven't seen this film so I can't verify it.
> > 
> > Steve.

   That scene was in "Mary Poppins".   

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dawn@nectom.COM

stevenh@tekig1.PEN.TEK.COM (Steven C Herring) writes:
> > Just returned from Snoqualmie/North Bend and ...
> > 
> > The movie starts filming September 3 in Snoqualmie/North Bend, Washington.
> > It is a prequel and takes place seven days before the murder of Laura Palmer.

My wife and I went last year for our first anniversary (9/2) and...  
we're going again, and...  WE'LL BE THERE FOR THE FIRST PART OF THE
FILMING!  Way cool...  details *will* follow...


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