Season 2, Episodes 21–22: Miss Twin Peaks / Beyond Life and Death — June 10, 1991–August 27, 1992

In article <1991Aug14.045519.22415@agate.berkeley.edu> sally@eris.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes:

> >I was wondering if the Creamed Corn Kid wasn't connected with
> >Harold Smith.  When Donna brought Coop back to check on Mrs.
> >Tremond and her grandson, CCK, they didn't exist. Was the younger
> >Ms. Tremond tied to the elder Mrs. Tremond, and in following
> >CCK somehow connected to Harold, in the same way that the giant
> >was connect with SDC.

I also think that the Tremond's were very much related to Harold.
Laura's diary says that she delivered to the boy & grandmother (he used
to pull coins out from behind Laura's ear) so Donna's encounter wasn't 
isolated.  It does seem strange, however, that Laura was delivering food
that spirits had *ordered* from the Double-R.

While we're on the subject of unanswered questions, here are some
others  (some of you are going to call this "inane" so just
press "n" -- you know who you are):

1.  What did Maddy see in her dream that was "so weird" and what was
that pattern in the rug the next day?  My guess is that part of her weird dream
might have been the same as Laura's since they once were practically able to 
share thoughts.  Possibly, her dream also included something about that
rug pattern that included Maddy seeing her own death in that room-- i.e.
the pattern was her own blood stain.

2.  What the heck does the Palmer ceiling fan signify?  There were a
couple different shots of it shown repeatedly. Was it nothing special or
did have something to do with a golden circle? 

3.  When Maddy died, why did Bobby have that goofy look on his face?
Did he see the Giant?  Is he "gifted?" (inherited it from dad?) or was
he just wondering why Donna was crying? 

4.  Why did the OAM say that BOB had been near Ben/Jerry?  Because they
had physically been close to Leland or because BOB had once possessed either or
both of them?  (see also OAM goes nuts when Ben comes stomping down the
hall.)  Did BOB _do_ anything while possessing them?  Did it have
something to do with what happened at Mr. Biloges (sp?) barn?

5.  Why did Coop remind Gordon of a Chihuahua?  My only guess is very
lame.  I suppose that he meant Coop looked happy to see him like dogs are 
happy to see their masters even if they've only been away for a short time, 
or maybe it had something to do with that quote about a bald mouse (i.e. 
Chihuahuas almost look hairless right?)  I put this one in the "fish in 
the percolator" file.

6.  This one is really just an observation:  After Maddy dies, Coop's face
is shown and then faded to the red curtains of the Roadhouse.  In the 
credits, a mixed shot of Dale and the red curtains is shown-- sort of
a foreshadowing or coincidence?

Rocky Giovinazzo

 In article <1991Aug14.153031.9459@risky.ecs.umass.edu> giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:

   While we're on the subject of unanswered questions, here are some
   others  (some of you are going to call this "inane" so just
   press "n" -- you know who you are):

   6.  This one is really just an observation:  After Maddy dies, Coop's face
   is shown and then faded to the red curtains of the Roadhouse.  In the 
   credits, a mixed shot of Dale and the red curtains is shown-- sort of
   a foreshadowing or coincidence?

I would say that it's a foreshadowing.  In fact, even though the
Bob/White(Black)Lodge/supernatural angle seemed to sneak up on us,
there are many hints about what was to come.  Even Jean Renault's
somewhat self-serving speech about Cooper plunging Twin Peaks into
nightmare may be accurate: what if Laura's murder (and Theresa Banks'
before that, to establish the serial killer pattern) were just bait to
lure Cooper?  Perhaps Josie shooting Cooper was not completely her own
idea (and may explain her abnormally low body weight after death and
the appearance of Bob on her death bed; and perhaps Bob's ``Coop, what
happened to Josie?'' refers not to Josie's death, but to her behavior,
like shooting Cooper).  Oh, well, I'm free-associating way beyond the
bounds of your question...

-30-
Bob

``Peter, push the plug!''

  My wife and I finally got around to renting Blue Velvet last night.
Most impressive.  Jeffrey had all the makings of a budding young Coop!
A few questions though:

  1) What is Lynch's obsession w/ logging communities?
  2) What happens to Mr. Beaumont at the beginning of the film?
     Did he get chewed on by the bugs or what?

     I think I picked up on the bug symbolism - evil or strangeness
     hidden just out of sight, but exposed by the robin, love/light,
     at the end of the film.

  3) How does that corpse manage to stand up in the final apartment
     scene?  Sick minds want to know!

  - Larry


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Someone mentioned that the show might go into syndication... does anyone
know if/when this will happen? I didn't have a VCR when the show ran,
and WANT to get some tapes. 

Dallas

In article <1991Aug14.153031.9459@risky.ecs.umass.edu> giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
> >I also think that the Tremond's were very much related to Harold.
> >Laura's diary says that she delivered to the boy & grandmother (he used
> >to pull coins out from behind Laura's ear) so Donna's encounter wasn't 
> >isolated.  It does seem strange, however, that Laura was delivering food
> >that spirits had *ordered* from the Double-R.

The kid (Pierre) is definitely one of Them, imho, but I'm not sure about old
Mrs. Tremond.  If there's any kind of simple explanation, it's probably that
the YOUNG Mrs. Tremond was the illusion, sent by the Lodges to protect the
secret of the old Mrs. Tremond, who is probably connected to the Lodges in
much the way the Log Lady is.  Simple, huh?

> >1.  What did Maddy see in her dream that was "so weird" and what was
> >that pattern in the rug the next day?  My guess is that part of her weird dream
> >might have been the same as Laura's since they once were practically able to 
> >share thoughts.  Possibly, her dream also included something about that
> >rug pattern that included Maddy seeing her own death in that room-- i.e.
> >the pattern was her own blood stain.

Definitely a premonition of her bloodstain.  The dream was probably an
encounter with BOB...

> >2.  What the heck does the Palmer ceiling fan signify?  There were a
> >couple different shots of it shown repeatedly. Was it nothing special or
> >did have something to do with a golden circle? 

Ditto for the Traffic Light.

> >3.  When Maddy died, why did Bobby have that goofy look on his face?

I think it was simple disbelief that Donna and James were back together.
Showing once again that Bobby Briggs has an uncanny ability to miss the
big picture.

> >4.  Why did the OAM say that BOB had been near Ben/Jerry?

I guess just because Ben and Leland spent so much time together.  And the
fact that Ben did start out as a pretty evil dude, prone to the sins of
the flesh...  that's the mark of BOB.

> >6.  This one is really just an observation:  After Maddy dies, Coop's face
> >is shown and then faded to the red curtains of the Roadhouse.  In the 
> >credits, a mixed shot of Dale and the red curtains is shown-- sort of
> >a foreshadowing or coincidence?

Just a startling image that you're supposed to wonder about.  Put that in the
Laura-in-the-coffee-cup file.

A couple more to wonder about -- I just re-watched the pilot, and there were
a few lines in James' description to Donna about his last night with Laura
that leave a lot to wonder about...

A) Who was that guy who Bobby told Laura he killed?  It couldn't have been the
one from the diary (since she saw that one, and anyway I don't trust that
diary anyway), so who was it?

B) One line of James' that makes you wonder in light of subsequent episodes.
"I looked into her eyes... and THEY WERE CLEAR... then suddenly it was like
she was Laura again..."

Hmm?

Jon Blum

On the subject of TP / BV parallels...  besides the obvious resemblance
to Coop, didn't Kyle MacLachlan and Laura Dern strike you as being Donna
and James?  Laura Dern's character even started out with a football-player
boyfriend named Mike...  and James after his fling with Evelyn definitely
reminded me of Jeffrey after his S&M session with Isabella Rosselini...

And did you catch the cameo appearance of the traffic light?...

In article <1991Aug14.175309.21611@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> brackney@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Larry J Brackney) writes:

> >  2) What happens to Mr. Beaumont at the beginning of the film?
> >     Did he get chewed on by the bugs or what?

Mr. Beaumont was brought to the hospital.  Jeffrey was shown visiting
him near the beginning of the show.  The bugs were chewing on
an ear not belonging to Mr. Beaumont.  I think that was the only
chewing bugs scene in the movie.

Rocky Giovinazzo

Regarding the questions on Blue Velvet,  I can only suggest that Jeff's dad had
a stroke or (wild at) heart attack.  I thought the first time I watched it that
the hose snapped and struck him in the neck.  I also believe that Jeff's
grandmother in Blue Velvet also played Mrs. Treamont (spelling???) when Donna
Heyward visited Mr. Smith on Laura's old "meals on wheels" route.

The reference to logging communities in BV and TP is refreshing.  The ability
for the corpse to remain verticle was interesting and I don't know if a corpse
really can stand.


All the best


Don Kasprzak
UToledo

In article <8754@cactus.org> kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull) writes:
> >
> >The kid with the creamed corn.  "J'ai une ame solitaire,"  with the
> >'s' lisped so it sounded like "sholitaire."
> >
I'm sure he said "J'ai un homme solitaire", which translates as "I'm a lonely
man".  By the way, the kid was David Lynch's son.

Some things happen just like that.


ferenc

In article <1991Aug14.145453.11584@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> johnson@buster.cps.msu.edu (Graham K Johnson) writes:
> >In article <1991Aug14.055258.28744@risky.ecs.umass.edu> giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
>> >>FYI, the Saturday Night Live season premiere hosted by Kyle
>> >>MacLaughlan is being re-broadcast on the 17th.  For those of you
>> >>who haven't seen it, there are references to TP in the monologue and
>> >>there is also a TP sketch.  
> >
> >Strange...that will make it the third time it has been shown.  Strange, 
> >considering it wasn't even a very good episode, except for Kyle and
> >Mike Myers as the Scottish father & son, and the last line of the show
> >("Hi everybody, I'm K.D. Lang").

Well, tastes vary, but I think the opening address by Bush to Hussein was
one of the few flashes of greatness the program has shown lately - very
black humor, and lots of it.  And, if I remember right, the Hans & Dieter
bit was quite good; I know a friend is especially fond of that one.
For what it's worth.  All IMHO.  Your mileage may vary.
-- -larryy@apple.com "You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple, and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'." - Edmund Blackadder

In article <1991Aug14.055258.28744@risky.ecs.umass.edu> giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
> >FYI, the Saturday Night Live season premiere hosted by Kyle
> >MacLaughlan is being re-broadcast on the 17th.  For those of you
> >who haven't seen it, there are references to TP in the monologue and
> >there is also a TP sketch.  

Just wanted to say a big THANK YOU, ROCKY, for tipping us to these things.
Thanks to you I managed to catch the "Anything But Love" episode with the
TP reference, and really enjoyed it.  Looking forward to getting a first
generation, off-the-air copy of the SNL episode now!
-- -larryy@apple.com "You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple, and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'." - Edmund Blackadder

In <1991Aug14.145453.11584@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> johnson@buster.cps.msu.edu (Graham K Johnson) writes:

> >In article <1991Aug14.055258.28744@risky.ecs.umass.edu> giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
>> >>FYI, the Saturday Night Live season premiere hosted by Kyle
>> >>MacLaughlan is being re-broadcast on the 17th.  For those of you
>> >>who haven't seen it, there are references to TP in the monologue and
>> >>there is also a TP sketch.  

> >Strange...that will make it the third time it has been shown.  Strange, 
> >considering it wasn't even a very good episode, except for Kyle and
> >Mike Myers as the Scottish father & son, and the last line of the show
> >("Hi everybody, I'm K.D. Lang").
> >-- 
> >    ___        "We dream of the mating season       johnson@buster.cps.msu.edu
> >   /__    ___     Feel the coming tidal wave       as755@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
> >  <__/raham /       We want to run but cannot move                 
> >      K. <_/ohnson    Cause we're embedded in concrete"  -- Front 242

Opinions.  I thought it was an awesome show, beginning to end.  Sprockets
was great (Germany's most disturbing home videos), but of course, the
Twin Peaks parody was the best.  Hilarious, IMO.  As for the third showing,
that happens quite a bit with SNL, as well as the Simpsons, etc.

sj

In article <1991Aug14.153031.9459@risky.ecs.umass.edu> giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
> >
> >1.  What did Maddy see in her dream that was "so weird" and what was
> >that pattern in the rug the next day?  My guess is that part of her weird dream
> >might have been the same as Laura's since they once were practically able to 
> >share thoughts.  Possibly, her dream also included something about that
> >rug pattern that included Maddy seeing her own death in that room-- i.e.
> >the pattern was her own blood stain.

Yes, watching it a second time, it seemed quite clear that Maddy had both
a dream and a vision of her impending death.  The dream probably involved
Bob.  The marks on the carpet were her own blood.

> >2.  What the heck does the Palmer ceiling fan signify?  There were a
> >couple different shots of it shown repeatedly. Was it nothing special or
> >did have something to do with a golden circle? 

Err, umm... atmosphere?  Circular reasoning:-)?  I doubt there was really
a single, coherent reason for it.  But fans are a good cinematic, atmospheric
device.  They give good light.  They give motion in a still shot.  One could
probably babble poetic about motion without progress, or about unending,
unguided activity once events are set into motion.  But most likely it
looked and felt *right* at the time.

> >3.  When Maddy died, why did Bobby have that goofy look on his face?
> >Did he see the Giant?  Is he "gifted?" (inherited it from dad?) or was
> >he just wondering why Donna was crying? 

Don't really remember this well enough.  Just gonna have to watch it all
again <grin>.  If my vague recollections are correct, I think he was just
reacting to Donna's crying, and maybe a vague feeling that something
significant was happening even though he couldn't figure out what it was.

> >4.  Why did the OAM say that BOB had been near Ben/Jerry?  Because they
> >had physically been close to Leland or because BOB had once possessed either or
> >both of them?  (see also OAM goes nuts when Ben comes stomping down the
> >hall.)  Did BOB _do_ anything while possessing them?  Did it have
> >something to do with what happened at Mr. Biloges (sp?) barn?

I always just attributed this to Ben's proximity to Leland.

(Other items... either "I don't have a clue" or "Hmm, interesting".)
-- -larryy@apple.com "You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple, and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'." - Edmund Blackadder

zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) writes:

> > I know what you mean though; how can you show ANY connective plot tissue 
> > between Coop/Earl stuff and Laura Palmer stuff in a prequel.  In an ideal
> > world, where the movie does NOT have to stand alone, but be an integral part
> > of the serial this would be easy.  Lots of serials have seemingly unrelated
> > plot lines that meet and intertwine later.  But most likely the POWERS THAT B
> > at Hollywood will make sure that the movie must stand on its own and that it
> > ISN'T necessary to watch the TV episodes to understand what is going on.

It would seem to me that we have a couple of characters who may have been in
both places at about that time: BOB and MIKE. They also might tie Teresa into
the Renault brothers' coke operations. Laura and Teresa were also both 
involved in Fleshworld... hmm... I wonder if they might have met. There's also
the issue of Cooper's Blue Man (from his autobiography)...

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

   [This is a fairly detailed rewrite of the first half of the last
 episode, filling in a lot of the details of my previous posting.
 It's a series of scenes, separated by asterisks.  

   I refer to Windom Earle as WE throughout.  There must be some 
 profound psychological significance to the different ways I refer
 to the other characters, but I'm not going to worry about it.

                                           Charles Blair]

   Major Briggs staggers into the Sheriff's station (Leo does not
 help him escape in this version).  The major brings a videotape
 showing Leo in distress and giving cryptic clues as to his location.
 Cooper must rescue Leo.  He is the only one who can figure out the
 clues, and he must go alone because of the danger.
 
    As Cooper leaves the station, WE watches through binoculars.  He
 seems especially interested in Cooper's coat.
 *******************************************************************
 
    Nadine receives a necklace with a card ``To the next Miss Twin
 Peaks from a sincere admirer.''

    Nadine (to Ed or somebody):  ``I don't know if I should wear it
 tonight.  Mike will be so JEALOUS.''
 *******************************************************************
    
    Cooper on his way to rescue Leo.  It takes a long time to work
 his way through an assortment of Diabolical Booby-Traps.
 *******************************************************************

    Exterior shot of the Lydecker veterinary clinic, now closed.  Inside
 is WE at desk.  He is wearing an Official Dale Cooper Wig.  He is
 working with a large tape recorder, with an elaborate network of 
 wires connected to a box with many knobs, which is connected to a
 much smaller tape recorder.  [this is essentially the same as a 
 scene with Gene Hackman in THE CONVERSATION]

    WE is playing over and over a recording of the scene in which
 Gordon welcomes Dale back to the FBI.  It gradually becomes clear
 that he is filtering out Gordon's voice, altering Dale's voice
 to normal volume, and recording the results on the small recorder.
 When he is finished, WE presses a button on the recorder and practices
 lip-synching ``Good work.''  Another button is pressed, and the 
 recorder says ``There's definite linkage here.''  Another button
 yields ``I want you to focus on the here and now.''  

   When he is satisfied with his tape, WE goes to a closet.  He
 ignores the Dale Cooper FBI Jacket and takes the Dale Cooper Raincoat.
 **********************************************************************
    Cooper rescues Leo.  I cannot think of a really good line for the
 first thing Leo says.  Here are some tries (suggestions welcome):

   ``I don't like birds either.''
   ``You look like you're wearing a tuxedo.''
   ``Can you recommend a good divorce lawyer?''
   ``Oh, you've saved me!''  (very exaggerated falsetto)
   ``Don't just stand there, read me my rights.''
   starts singing ``On the road again, I just can't wait to get back...
   ``Have I paid my debt to society yet?''
   ``Just put me in the cell next to Hank.''
 *********************************************************************
 
    WE disguised as Cooper at the Miss TP contest.  Harry asks what
 happened with Leo.  WE activates his small tape recorder and lip-
 syncs ``Pursue, capture, incarcerate.''  while giving a thumbs-up
 sign.  He is able to use ``Good work,'' and other pre-recorded lines
 to deal with most other conversation.  He keeps busy talking inaudibly
 to Dianne to avoid too many questions.  In emergencies, he says
 ``later'' through a mouthful of doughnut and waves his questioner away.

   Annie is named Miss Twin Peaks.  WE rushes up, embraces her,
 and escorts her offstage.  Annie does not realize something is wrong
 until WE accidentally presses a button on his recorder setting off:

     ``I really have to urinate.''

    Nadine sees Annie and WE struggling.  ``Can't you guys wait until
 you get to the parking lot to make out?'' 

    WE whips out what looks like Cooper's Dianne box and presses
 a button.  Nadine's necklace is a more powerful version of the thing
 Leo had, and she is knocked to the ground.

    Long shot, with WE dragging Annie away in background.  Camera
 closes in on Nadine flat on the ground as we hear the beating heart
 sound effect used in the attack on Jacoby.  Camera closes in on one
 of Nadine's hands.  We hear the roaring sound effect used in the 
 scene where Evelyn Marsh shoots Malcom as the hand clenches, then 
 opens, leaving holes in the floor.  The hand presses flat against
 the floor, pushing.

    Cut to scene of general chaos as the real Cooper comes in.  Harry
 and Andy are pointing in the direction WE has run with Annie.  Cooper
 rushes past somebody just starting to get off the floor...
 ********************************************************************

             TIME FOR A COMMERCIAL:

 LELAND PALMER: Boy, do I have a headache.  (takes some pain-reliever)

 enter THE EVERREADY BUNNY: HI! I just keep going and going and going...

 LELAND clutches his head as THE BUNNY bangs away on his drum

 (cut to a commercial for saran wrap)        

 back to LELAND.  He is practicing his putting indoors.  ``I feel
 much better now.''

   In the background is a closet, with one ear caught in the door.
******************************************************************
 
    A hospital bed.  Its occupant is wearing an assortment of casts
 and bandages.  Cooper.  The camera moves slowly along a table next
 to the bed.  There is a large trophy with a damaged statuette, and
 a card ``I'M SORRY.''  Further along the table is a chess set


+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+    This is MY Twin Peaks episode,
| r |///|   |///| n |///| k |///|  so we will get the chess details
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+  right.
|///|   | q |   |///|   |///| p |
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+    The camera shows the complete
|   |///| p |///|   |///|   | Q |  position, and stays on the board
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+  long enough to allow interested
|///|   | b |   |///|   |///|   |  parties to copy it.
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
| p |///| P |///|   |///|   |///|    [Emanuel Lasker (white) won this
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+  game in a simultaneous display.
| P |   |///| B |///|   |///|   |  The credits acknowledge
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+  Special effects: Emanuel Lasker]
|   | P |   |///|   |///|   | P |
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
|///|   | K |   | R | R |///|   |
+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+

  With his free hand, Cooper is playing a tape.

  WE: ``Getting the enemy pieces to interfere with each other is
       a fundamental part of strategy, but it is a rare pleasure
       to see the theme in such a pure form...''
 ***************************************************************

   I'm not sure where we go from here.  One possiblity is that
 WE challenges Cooper to an out-of-body duel for Annie and/or
 the treasures of the lodges.  To start the process, Cooper takes
 a dose of Haliperidol concealed in one of the chess pieces.  We
 could then go into the stuff in the second half of the last episode,
 with Cooper staggering back and forth between different(?) rooms.

   I really want something else.  Every time Cooper has opened the
 door at the Great Northern, I've been expecting him to get shot
 again.  If TWIN PEAKS is to become a multi-season success, I would
 like every season to end with the ``Boom!  Boom!  Boom! (thud)''
 scene.

 FINAL CREDIT:  dedicated to a very good friend who is getting married

In article <1991Aug14.042315.5510@intacc.uucp> zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) writes:
> >
> >There are a few things that would eventually tie in during the time-frame
> >of the TP episodes so far.  Coop investigated Theresa Banks' death who we know
> >was killed by BOB.  Coop's  old partner, Windom Earl, had been looking for
> >the Black Lodge for quite a while.
> >These events take place before the pilot episode.  In a prequel, it would be
> >quite important to show these things, revealing stuff we don't know as well.

> >
> >I know what you mean though; how can you show ANY connective plot tissue 
> >between Coop/Earl stuff and Laura Palmer stuff in a prequel.  In an ideal
> >world, where the movie does NOT have to stand alone, but be an integral part
> >of the serial this would be easy.  Lots of serials have seemingly unrelated
> >plot lines that meet and intertwine later.  But most likely the POWERS THAT BE
> >at Hollywood will make sure that the movie must stand on its own and that it
> >ISN'T necessary to watch the TV episodes to understand what is going on.
> >
Forgot about the Theresa Banks/Coop connection...it remains to be seen
how much say Lynch will have in gearing the movie to a particular
audience, i.e. the avid TPers who probably want to pick up where Lynch
left off vs. general mass market moviegoers who may or may not have
seen TP-THE SERIES...

Then again, I doubt this movie would appeal to anyone other than TP
fans...we shall see...



-- Bill Downing, President Email: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.usDOWNING ASSOCIATES, INC. 68 Washington St, Natick, MA 01760 508-655-3040

In article <1991Aug14.203158.15861@intacc.uucp>, zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) writes:
> > In article <8754@cactus.org> kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull) writes:
>> > >
>> > >The kid with the creamed corn.  "J'ai une ame solitaire,"  with the
>> > >'s' lisped so it sounded like "sholitaire."
>> > >
> > I'm sure he said "J'ai un homme solitaire", which translates as "I'm a lonely
> > man".  By the way, the kid was David Lynch's son.
> > 
> > Some things happen just like that.
> > 
> > 
> > ferenc

My french is weak, but "J'ai un homme solitaire" should mean
"I HAVE a lonely man" if I am to trust my education. (and assuming that
'solitaire' means lonely.)  "I am a lonely man" would be 
"Je suis un homme solitaire" which would be more recognizable since the
pronunciation would be "Je sweezun...".  

I'm not sure what the first quote is, but it would be 
"I have a lonely 'ame'". (Whatever 'ame' is.)

I did not see this episode, so I someone else will have to determine
what the correct quote is.


Al.


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In article <1991Aug14.203158.15861@intacc.uucp> zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) writes:
> >
> >
> >   In article <8754@cactus.org> kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull) writes:
> >   >
> >   >The kid with the creamed corn.  "J'ai une ame solitaire,"  with the
> >   >'s' lisped so it sounded like "sholitaire."
> >   >
> >   I'm sure he said "J'ai un homme solitaire", which translates as "I'm a lonely
> >   man".  By the way, the kid was David Lynch's son.

Since you are from bi-lingual Canada, perhaps you know a French or
French Canadian idiom that I'm not familiar with, but I'm pretty sure
that your translation is incorrect.  What you think he said would
translate as "I HAVE a solitary man", which really wouldn't make as
much sense as "I have a solitary soul."  (To say "I am a solitary
man", he would say something like "Je suis un homme solitaire", which
wouldn't sound the same at all).

Barb

In article <8754@cactus.org> kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull) writes:

> >   The kid with the creamed corn.  "J'ai une ame solitaire,"  with the
> >   's' lisped so it sounded like "sholitaire."
> >
> >   What the heck ever happened to that thread, anyway?  Besides the quote
> >   being in that crazy guy's suicide note?

It seems to have disappeared into the woodwork, along with the
question of who it was that Ben saw behind him in the episode before
the final (when he turned around after Audrey left and there was some
creepy music, etc.)

> >1.  What did Maddy see in her dream that was "so weird" and what was
> >that pattern in the rug the next day?  My guess is that part of her weird dream
> >might have been the same as Laura's since they once were practically able to
> >share thoughts.  Possibly, her dream also included something about that
> >rug pattern that included Maddy seeing her own death in that room-- i.e.
> >the pattern was her own blood stain.

Well, I don't know what you saw but it seemed fairly straightforward
to me that wha Maddy saw in her dream was what she saw in the carpet - which 
was why she was staring at before telling Mrs Palmer about it. As for what
she saw in the carpet - I don't know about you but I asked the TV: "What's
BOB doing in the carpet?" (don't you just love interactive television?
It's a shame they don't answer back) Maybe this was Bob's way of selecting
a new target?

Leanne Richard
University of Newcastle

giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:

1.  What did Maddy see in her dream that was "so weird" and what was
that pattern in the rug the next day?  My guess is that part of her weird dream
might have been the same as Laura's since they once were practically able to
share thoughts.  Possibly, her dream also included something about that
rug pattern that included Maddy seeing her own death in that room-- i.e.
the pattern was her own blood stain.
<end quote>

According to a TP discussion list that originates out of England, the
version aired in Europe had a wavy image of BOB superimposed over
the stain in the carpet.

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In article <1991Aug14.101429.1@wombat.newcastle.edu.au> c9104666@wombat.newcastle.edu.au writes:
> >
> > As a real T.P fanactic i'm interseted in any sort of stuff that they
> >release in connection with the show. For example i have both the diary
> >and the agent coop book....but i'm interested to know if their is any
> >thing else which i can lay my hands on.
> > I have heard of some 'DIANE' tapes and haven't been able to lay my hands
> >on a copy yet...so could someone tell me what is in the tapes. Is it 
> >just parts from the show or other bits that we haven't heard before.

     I have the tapes if ya want a copy....as for the content, they are a 
 combination of stuff you saw on the tube and some other details...

       Tyger

In article <9108150253.AA01428@ucbvax.berkeley.edu> C491153@UMCVMB.MISSOURI.EDU (John Schultz) writes:

> >According to a TP discussion list that originates out of England, the
> >version aired in Europe had a wavy image of BOB superimposed over
> >the stain in the carpet.

So the UK episodes _are_ different.  Does that mean that the scene where
Maddy dies was really as graphic as we heard or was that BBC report just
exaggerated?

Rocky Giovinazo

There is still an active Twin Peaks Fan Club here in Chicago.
We met the other night and one of the people there had just
returned from a trip to Los Angeles and Snoqualmie. While
in LA he was able to visit Lynch/Frost Productions. They
were taken on a tour of the sets by the publicist. Latham
had a video camera with him and brought bsack the most
interesting footage of the sets, most of which are still
intact. There are sets still up that you would have expected
to be dismantled long ago. For instance, the cell where Leland
died is still up, complete with the blood still on the door
where he butted his head. It was fascinating to see the sets
as they normally are. They appear much bigger on screen than
they are. Lighting is all-important. Ben Horne's office looks
huge, but is actually very small. The weasel was even still on
the table behind Ben's desk.  Many of the sets were very dark,
the only light came from the overhead warehouse lights and 
did not reach into a lot of the sets. Nadine and Ed's house
was dark, but you could see Nadine's shelves full of figureines.
Latham said he saw the figurine with the eyepatch :-)
In Shelly and Leo's house, Latham's friend looked for and found
the bullet hole.

Coop's room at the Great Northern was dark, but Latham said that
it was very small, on purpose. They built it originally knowing
that the giant scenes were coming up. The room was smaller than 
normal to make the giant look even bigger. Latham said that the
window was actually knee-high. 

The Lodge set was uneventful, because the red curtains were taken
down and just lying on the floor, not even folded up, just lying
where they were taken down. 
It was great seeing the mural outside of Ben's office. Latham's
friend went out side, shut the doors and came back in re-creating
the scene when Jerry first appears. I know, I know...

They saw James' bike just lying under a stairwell. The RR Diner
is so tiny, half the size it appears on screen. The jukebox is
filled with normal rock songs. I wanted to see a closeup of
the ice cream cone, but didn't get my wish :-(

The publicist talked a little about Kyle and said that people
there weren't too happy with him. When she started talking about
Kyle, Latham turned off the video camera because he didn't feel
comfortable. He didn't repeat muuch of what she said, just 
indicated that everyone is very unhappy and that negotiations
are ongoing.

There was probably an hour of footage of them going through the sets.
It was great!

They were fairly disappointed with Snoqualmie, but I can't imagine
why. Even without TP, it's just got to be a great area. They filmed
the falls, the "Sheriff's Station", the Great Northern, Ed's Gas 
Farm (which they were floored to see was a Kite shop!), the Mar T,
which they said served terrible food, the spot where the intro was 
filmed (with the Welcome to Twin Peaks sign), the area where Donna
and Laura had their picnic and a couple of other places I can't
remember off hannd. It was all so fascinating, even though they said
they didn't have that great of time in Wash. The real treat was
of course, in LA, at Lynch/Frost. I can imagine. Anyone can go to
Snoqualmie, but very few people can get into L/F. They don't give
tours normally.

We're having a Twin Peaks picnic the weekend after Labor Day.
The site is not completely set yet. I'll post it when I'm sure.

Latham was very disappointed that filming was postponed. It's very
possible they could have been extras, had the movie been in progress.
Damn!

Vickie
katefans@chinet.chi.il.us

"I knew a man, he was very odd. He always thought that someone was
following him. He'd talk of entities that didn't exist...or so I thought.
His paranoia intrigued me so. I was sure he'd escaped from a loony bin.
Every day it became clearer...he was right!
Thanks be my lunatic, I know he's faring well. It's over now, they're
off from out from under him. They can't hurt the madman, now they're
hovering at my head. I must die to get them off from out from under me"

                      "Off From Out From Under Me" (excerpt)
                                   Happy Rhodes
:w
:q

If you ftp to audrey.sait.edu.au and search tyhru the TP archive, I think
you'll find a document which lists the products associated with TP.

Possibly the little kid was Harlod Smith when he was a kid, and what Donna saw
was a 'a backflash'. Then the question is of course: why ?

Sture

Ciao,

I am missing only two episodes to make my TP library complete.
Sorry that I do not know the episode number, but this is
a brief summary of the episodes in question:

1.  2nd season. The episode which marked the return of the
major after disappearing in the woods. I believe that the episode
began with a shot of the three oddly shaped triangles, and then
a quick shot of the major sitting on some stone seat, and then
we see the Major at the sheriff's station being questioned by the gang.

2. 2nd season, number 2019 (I believe).  This was the episode where
Gordon goes to the RR and meets Shelley.  I believe it is the episode
just before the one where Josie becomes a dresser knob.


Anyway, can anyone help me. Can anyone let me borrow these episodes?
I would be willing to pay for postage to me, and return postage. Or
if there is anyone in the Sacramento, CA area maybe we can strict
up a deal.

Thanks in advance....

Sally,
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In article <1991Aug14.175309.21611@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> 
brackney@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Larry J Brackney) writes:
> >  2) What happens to Mr. Beaumont at the beginning of the film?
> >     Did he get chewed on by the bugs or what?
> >

He had a stroke, by most accounts.


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In article <1991Aug14.145453.11584@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> johnson@buster.cps.msu.edu (Graham K Johnson) writes:
#Strange...that will make it the third time it has been shown.

Easy explanation.  All the other shows have been repeated.

#Strange, 
#considering it wasn't even a very good episode, except for Kyle and
#Mike Myers as the Scottish father & son, and the last line of the show
#("Hi everybody, I'm K.D. Lang").

I think it was the best of this season.  All the rest (Susan Lucci,
George Steinbrenner, Patrick Swayze, Jimmy Smits, Dennis Hopper,
John Goodman, Tom Hanks, Dennis Quaid, Joe Mantegna, Sting, Kevin Bacon,
Roseanne Barr, Alec Baldwin, Michael J. Fox, Jeremy Irons, Catherine O'Hara,
Steven Seagal, Delta Burke, and George Wendt) really only had a sketch
or two per show that were any good.

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Regarding the so-called "standing corpse" in "Blue Velvet", first of all,
he wasn't yet a corpse at this point. He obviously had a rather severe
bullet wound to the brain, but remember that as Jeffery is entering the room
and sees him, the guy's walkie-talkie blurts out a message and we see the
man's arm flail out. This would indicate some kind of neurological
activity still being present. When Frank returns to the apartment later, he
fells him for good with another shot. Also remember that you're dealing with
David Lynch, so the concept of some mortally wounded guy just kind of standing
around shouldn't be considered strange by his standards.

John Ryder - Tellabs Inc.

In article <1991Aug14.042315.5510@intacc.uucp>, zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) writes:
> > 
> > I know what you mean though; how can you show ANY connective plot tissue 
> > between Coop/Earl stuff and Laura Palmer stuff in a prequel.  In an ideal
> > world, where the movie does NOT have to stand alone, but be an integral part
> > of the serial this would be easy.  Lots of serials have seemingly unrelated
> > plot lines that meet and intertwine later.  But most likely the POWERS THAT BE
> > at Hollywood will make sure that the movie must stand on its own and that it
> > ISN'T necessary to watch the TV episodes to understand what is going on.

True, but also the Hollywood powers that be probably feel that a TP movie without
Cooper, the series' main character, is probably a doomed enterprise.

Eric

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In article <1991Aug14.194255.14150@risky.ecs.umass.edu> giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
> >In article <1991Aug14.175309.21611@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> brackney@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Larry J Brackney) writes:
> >
>> >>  2) What happens to Mr. Beaumont at the beginning of the film?
>> >>     Did he get chewed on by the bugs or what?
> >
> >Mr. Beaumont was brought to the hospital.  Jeffrey was shown visiting
> >him near the beginning of the show.  The bugs were chewing on
> >an ear not belonging to Mr. Beaumont.  I think that was the only
> >chewing bugs scene in the movie.
> >
> >Rocky Giovinazzo

   Actually not, after Mr. Beaumont falls to the ground, and the dog starts
drinking from the hose - we are treated to a long slow zoom into the grass.
As the blades of grass part,  a squirming mass of beetle-like insects is
revealed.

   And we still don't know what happened to Beaumont?  Stroke?  Plot
device?  What?!?

   - Larry

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In article <9292@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@umd5.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:
> > In article <8754@cactus.org> kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull) writes:
>> > >
>> > >The kid with the creamed corn.  "J'ai une ame solitaire,"  with the
>> > >'s' lisped so it sounded like "sholitaire."
>> > >
>> > >What the heck ever happened to that thread, anyway?  Besides the quote
>> > >being in that crazy guy's suicide note?
> > 
> > ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!  I had a feeling the kid would turn up in the finale
> > (which, after all, his dad directed), but they've left him hanging.  I have
> > a feeling the producers decided to forget as much of the unexplained threads
> > surrounding Laura Palmer as they could, and hope the viewers could do the
> > same...  :)

Yes, the Creamed Corn Kid appeared back when you thought *everything* in the
show was connected to the main storyline and part of a well thought out, intricate
plot sequence. Later it became obvious that not only was this not true but
that several sequences like this one just went nowhere and seemed to be placed
in the show only for their weirdness value.

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The thing I found most compelling about Twin Peaks was its ability, 
particularly early in the first season, to make me afraid of the dark
in a way I haven't been in years. Thinking about favorite scenes,
I initially came up with the usual list: Maddy's murder, the scene in
the railroad car (end of 1st episode of 2nd season), and so on. But the
more I thought about it, the more I remembered stuff from early on. 
Remember the scene where Bobby and friend (Mike?) are meeting Leo in
the woods to tell him they don't have the money they owe him? It's night,
owls are hooting, the flashlight beam is lighting the trees in a spooky way
and someone is making noise just beyond its range.... (Remember, this was 
before Leo became a comedic figure - he seemed intensely evil in a way Windom
Earl never was). I didn't keep tapes of TP, so this is all fading memory, 
but it had an intensity for me at the time that I find quite hard to believe 
now.

Mark.

In article <1991Aug15.182642.11309@netcom.COM> tyger@netcom.COM (Kristen Kohlbecker) writes:
> >   Oops...I do indeed only have one Diane... tape, but I have the Secret
> > Diary and Coop's bio on tape too...:)

Are the Diary and Coop's bio read by Sheryl Lee and Kyle MacLaughlan
respectively?

Rocky Giovinazzo

> >In article <1991Aug15.023934.6077@netcom.COM> tyger@netcom.COM (Kristen Kohlbecker) writes:
>> >>In article <1991Aug14.101429.1@wombat.newcastle.edu.au> c9104666@wombat.newcastle.edu.au writes:

>> >> I have heard of some 'DIANE' tapes and haven't been able to lay my hands
>> >>on a copy yet...

> >     I have the tapes if ya want a copy....
                 ^^^^^

You have more than 1?  I've only seen "Diane.." which is 1 cassette.  

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <1991Aug14.101429.1@wombat.newcastle.edu.au> 
> >  As a real T.P fanactic i'm interseted in any sort of stuff that they
> > release in connection with the show. For example i have both the diary
> > and the agent coop book....but i'm interested to know if their is any
> > thing else which i can lay my hands on.
> >  
> > Brett

Well, there's a _Twin Peaks_ Access/Tourist Guide out, and a set of 76
_Twin Peaks_ trading cards.  (Excuse me, "Collectible CardArt," from
StarPics, Inc.)  I think the card sets are a limited edition product,
so they might not be made available everywhere.  As a bonus, however,
several thousand cards were signed by various cast members, and inserted
randomly into some of the sets.  Now THATS a collector's item!

 ^   Tom Tullio
(_)  TULLIO@WILLET.WESLEYAN.EDU

In article <9299@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@umd5.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:
> > In article <1991Aug14.153031.9459@risky.ecs.umass.edu>
> >
>> >>2.  What the heck does the Palmer ceiling fan signify?  There were a
>> >>couple different shots of it shown repeatedly. Was it nothing special or
>> >>did have something to do with a golden circle? 
> > 
> > Ditto for the Traffic Light.
> > 

A totally off the wall thought I had on the traffic light late one night:
It means "things happen, even when there's no one around to see/make
sense of them."  (Especially in the shots where the light changes.)  This
is the town's only traffic light, isn't it?
On the same note, I'd venture that the ceiling fan was a "things ARE
happening, and continue to happen" idea.  Circles are so easy to ascribe
obscure meanings to..

>> >>3.  When Maddy died, why did Bobby have that goofy look on his face?
> > 
> > I think it was simple disbelief that Donna and James were back together.
> > Showing once again that Bobby Briggs has an uncanny ability to miss the
> > big picture.
> > 

This is one of my favorite scenes, and so I'm inclined to disagree.  I saw
it as a touching re-unification of the "small town" spirit -- Despite all
the weird, horrible stuff that's been tearing them apart, they all
share this moment, somehow sensing that "It is happening again." 

>> >>4.  Why did the OAM say that BOB had been near Ben/Jerry?
> > 
> > I guess just because Ben and Leland spent so much time together.  And the
> > fact that Ben did start out as a pretty evil dude, prone to the sins of
> > the flesh...  that's the mark of BOB.
> > 

The OAM didn't really say that BOB had been near Ben/Jerry, did he?  I just
remember him freaking out as Ben enters the room.  I think this was a clever
coincidence meant to mislead.  After all, the OAM was getting pretty unravelled
by the experience in the hotel lobby, and it's possible that he just chose
that moment to collapes from the strain.


Well, that's my 2 cents...

 ^  Tom Tullio
(_) TTULLIO@WILLET.WESLEYAN.EDU

In article <1991Aug15.154955.18420@risky.ecs.umass.edu> giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
>> >>In article <1991Aug15.023934.6077@netcom.COM> tyger@netcom.COM (Kristen Kohlbecker) writes:
> >
>> >>     I have the tapes if ya want a copy....
> >
> >You have more than 1?  I've only seen "Diane.." which is 1 cassette.  
> >
> >Rocky Giovinazzo

   Oops...I do indeed only have one Diane... tape, but I have the Secret
 Diary and Coop's bio on tape too...:)

    Tyger
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In article <1991Aug15.125334.55062@eagle.wesleyan.edu> ttullio@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
> >In article <9299@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@umd5.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:
>> >> In article <1991Aug14.153031.9459@risky.ecs.umass.edu>

>>> >>>2.  What the heck does the Palmer ceiling fan signify?  There were a
>>> >>>couple different shots of it shown repeatedly. Was it nothing special or
>>> >>>did have something to do with a golden circle? 
 
>> >> Ditto for the Traffic Light.
 
> >A totally off the wall thought I had on the traffic light late one night:
> >It means "things happen, even when there's no one around to see/make
> >sense of them."  (Especially in the shots where the light changes.)  This
> >is the town's only traffic light, isn't it?
> >On the same note, I'd venture that the ceiling fan was a "things ARE
> >happening, and continue to happen" idea.  Circles are so easy to ascribe
> >obscure meanings to..
Ahhh... but if a traffic light changes and no one's around
to hear it, does it make a sound?
As Dale described, Twin Peaks is a town where "yellow means
slow down and red means stop."  I always thought that the traffic light
was just showing us that the town has been slowed down and stopped 
by Laura's and various other people's death.

>>> >>>4.  Why did the OAM say that BOB had been near Ben/Jerry?

> >The OAM didn't really say that BOB had been near Ben/Jerry, did he?  I just
> >remember him freaking out as Ben enters the room.  I think this was a clever
> >coincidence meant to mislead.  After all, the OAM was getting pretty unravelled
> >by the experience in the hotel lobby, and it's possible that he just chose
> >that moment to collapes from the strain.

Here's the scene I was talking about with Mike, Jerry, Ben, Coop, 
Hawk, and Truman in the jail cell:

Mike:  [walks around Ben full circle twice] 
       "He's been close.  BOB is not here now."
Jerry: "Sherriff?  Isn't there something you'd like to share with us?
        Oh great.   Would you tell this guy to stop staring at me like
        a dog biscuit?"
Mike:  "BOB has been very close."
       "Who's BOB?  I don't know BOB.  Do we know a BOB?"

The other scene where Ben comes storming down the room and Mike goes
nuts could just be coincidence I suppose, except that coincidence
doesn't seem to exist in Twin Peaks.  Just about everything in the show
that was seemingly unrelated to something else, has somehow become more
than coincidence.  In fact, this seems to be one of the themes of the
show.  (Coincidence and fate play largely in our lives. -- "When two 
separate events occur simultaneously pertaining to the same object of 
inquiry, you must always pay strict attention.") 

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <1991Aug14.045519.22415@agate.berkeley.edu>, sally@eris.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes:
> > I was wondering if the Creamed Corn Kid wasn't connected with
> > Harold Smith...

I am so depressed -- I missed the first half of the "creamed corn kid" episode
and was hoping to catch it in rerun.  Rerun.  Hah.  Does anybody have it on tape?
I surely would like to see it before I die.
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Since at least 1 person seems to care about these announcements, 
for Blue Velvet fans, Isabella Rosellini is scheduled to be 
on Late Night w/ David Letterman next Tue. the 20th.

By the way, does anyone have that original TP pilot script that
is apparently for sale somewhere in Cambridge, MA.  I heard that
the character of Josie was supposed to be an Italian woman originally.
I wonder if the part was written for Isabella until she turned it down?

Rocky Giovinazzo

I wrote:

> >lmm@cci632.cci.com (Lance Michel) writes:

>> >>WANTED:
>> >>Twin Peaks cards.  I'm interested in purchasing possibly 5 or 6 boxes
>> >>of new unopened cards.  If I can't find new cards, I may settle for 
>> >>already sorted complete or partial sets.

> >You can order them directly from the manufacturer (Star Pics) by calling
> >800-877-2757, or to find a dealer in your area, call 800-741-4131.

Others have asked how to order by mail.

The set sells for $19.95 and can be ordered from:
 
 Star Pics
 P.O. Box 2573
 Farmington Hills, MI  48333
 
(include $3.00 for postage and handling)

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In article <9299@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@umd5.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:
> > In article <1991Aug14.153031.9459@risky.ecs.umass.edu> giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
>> > >2.  What the heck does the Palmer ceiling fan signify?  There were a
>> > >couple different shots of it shown repeatedly. Was it nothing special or
>> > >did have something to do with a golden circle? 
> > 
> > Ditto for the Traffic Light.

Ah yes -- but when the collectors' cards were printed, why did the fan make the
cut and not the traffic light...?  :-)
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In article <1991Aug14.175309.21611@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, brackney@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Larry J Brackney) writes:
> >   My wife and I finally got around to renting Blue Velvet last night.

Wow, synchronicity.  Us, too.

> >   3) How does that corpse manage to stand up in the final apartment
> >      scene?  Sick minds want to know!

He isn't a corpse.  The camera quite clearly shows him breathing, and it
doesn't look like "an actor trying to hide the fact that he's breathing."
It looks like he got a bullet-induced lobotomy, if you pardon the inexact
medical phraseology.  Later on, he is really killed, by Frank.

Several things bothered me about Blue Velvet:

While tailing Frank, Coop (sorry) sees Frank and the Yellow Man enter a building.
Then the Yellow Man comes out and meets the Well-Dressed Man coming from the
other direction.  Yet the Well-Dressed Man equals Frank.  Huh?

Coop says, "They went up on the fire escape and looked off in the distance.
In the distance, there was a murder of a drug dealer... (damn good eyes, but...)
Then the two of them TOLD ME (??!) a lot of drugs would be found in the dealer's
apartment."  I couldn't figure this out AT ALL.  Something isn't right here.
I listened to this three times, and I'm sure it's what he said.

I couldn't make heads or tails of the room with the fat women and that guy who
plays "Al" on Quantum Leap.  Part of Frank's gang?  A local cathouse?
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In article <9108150253.AA01428@ucbvax.berkeley.edu> C491153@UMCVMB.MISSOURI.EDU (John Schultz) writes:
> >According to a TP discussion list that originates out of England, the
> >version aired in Europe had a wavy image of BOB superimposed over
> >the stain in the carpet.

According to some behind-the-scenes book, that was Lynch's original idea for
the episode, but they decided to just do an ordinary bloodstain, because
(A) it would blow the "surprise" of BOB being a real entity, and (B) it was
just a bit too hammy that way.

In article <BARB.91Aug14193638@chamarti.ai.mit.edu>, barb@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Barb Miller) writes:
> > In article <1991Aug14.203158.15861@intacc.uucp> zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) writes:
>> > >   I'm sure he said "J'ai un homme solitaire", which translates as "I'm a lonely
>> > >   man".  By the way, the kid was David Lynch's son.
> > 
> > Since you are from bi-lingual Canada, perhaps you know a French or
> > French Canadian idiom that I'm not familiar with, but I'm pretty sure
> > that your translation is incorrect.  What you think he said would
> > translate as "I HAVE a solitary man", which really wouldn't make as
> > much sense as "I have a solitary soul."

You're right, of course... many people are probably confused on this point
because the show itself mistranslated "J'ai une ame solitaire" as "I AM a
lonely soul."  Coop and Andy both say it that way (of course, Andy got his
from Coop).

Frankly, I like the mistranslation I heard on CompuServe before the closed-caption
police cleared it all up.  The viewer heard "J'ai un arme sauditaire," which he
claims meant, "I have a deafening weapon."  Anybody for Dune crossreferences?!
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You mentioned that Coop's room was built small on purpose because they were
already planning the appearance of the Giant...  Does this mean that the
Giant wasn't a last-minute replacement for Michael Anderson as some of us
thought?  My faith in the Peaks producers' plotting ability just increased
tenfold...

In article <1991Aug15.182321.10320@risky.ecs.umass.edu>, giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
> > On the way back, he finds the ear in the field behind Vista (it belongs
> > to the man found dead with blue velvet in his mouth who I believe is
> > possibly Mr. Valens) 

Yup.  Check out the photo under the couch.  I didn't recognize the guy until
I did that (hey, who could be SURE how many ears in town Frank cut off?)

> > Later there's also another shot of the ear that reminds me of 
> > the Eraserhead wormhole kind of scene

I don't remember that one, but it reminded me of Leland & the acoustic tile.
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In article <1991Aug15.125334.55062@eagle.wesleyan.edu> ttullio@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
> >A totally off the wall thought I had on the traffic light late one night:
> >It means "things happen, even when there's no one around to see/make
> >sense of them."  (Especially in the shots where the light changes.)  This
> >is the town's only traffic light, isn't it?
> >On the same note, I'd venture that the ceiling fan was a "things ARE
> >happening, and continue to happen" idea.  Circles are so easy to ascribe
> >obscure meanings to..

Hmm...  I always thought that the traffic light had completely the opposite
meaning -- I thought of it in terms of an eye.  Always out there, unblinking,
watching everything that happens.  But your idea's not bad either.

As for the fan, I doubt it means anything really, it was just a suspense
device (kind of like a ticking clock).  But I _hope_ it means something...
> >
>>> >>>3.  When Maddy died, why did Bobby have that goofy look on his face?
>> >> 
> >This is one of my favorite scenes, and so I'm inclined to disagree.  I saw
> >it as a touching re-unification of the "small town" spirit -- Despite all
> >the weird, horrible stuff that's been tearing them apart, they all
> >share this moment, somehow sensing that "It is happening again." 

Except that Bobby and James didn't exactly have much of that friendly
small-town spirit between them...  I'll have to rewatch, but I thought at
the time that it was intended as a lead-in for something else which would
have "happened again"...  the next round of Bobby vs. James, which was
halted when James Marshall decided to take it on the road.  His contract
was up for renewal two episodes later, and I always suspected that was the
real reason he zoomed off on his bike.

>>> >>>4.  Why did the OAM say that BOB had been near Ben/Jerry?
>> >> 
> >
> >The OAM didn't really say that BOB had been near Ben/Jerry, did he?  I just

Yep, he did, two episodes later when they brought MIKE in to identify Ben
Horne in prison.

That's my 5 cents worth...  after all, they're going to stop making pennies,
so we'll have to change the expression...  :)

mark@cambridge.apple.com (Mark Preece) writes:
> >
> >(Remember, this was 
> >before Leo became a comedic figure - he seemed intensely evil in a way Windom
> >Earl never was).

Great observation!  Windom Earl was too ridiculous to be believed.  He
seemed more like a campy Batman villan than someone who was really
dangerous.  (I thought that the "giant chess piece" bit was a parody of
the "and when the timer runs out, you will be turned into a huge
postage stamp--HA HA HA HA HA" sort of thing.)

But Leo was *mean*...
 
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In article <1991Aug15.144236.19388@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> brackney@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Larry J Brackney) writes:

      Actually not, after Mr. Beaumont falls to the ground, and the dog starts
   drinking from the hose - we are treated to a long slow zoom into the grass.
   As the blades of grass part,  a squirming mass of beetle-like insects is
   revealed.

      And we still don't know what happened to Beaumont?  Stroke?  Plot
   device?  What?!?

McGuffinitis.

-30-
Bob

In article <9310@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@umd5.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:
> >In article <1991Aug15.125334.55062@eagle.wesleyan.edu> ttullio@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:

>>>> >>>>3.  When Maddy died, why did Bobby have that goofy look on his face?
 
>> >>This is one of my favorite scenes, and so I'm inclined to disagree.  I saw
>> >>it as a touching re-unification of the "small town" spirit -- Despite all
>> >>the weird, horrible stuff that's been tearing them apart, they all
>> >>share this moment, somehow sensing that "It is happening again." 

> >Except that Bobby and James didn't exactly have much of that friendly
> >small-town spirit between them...  I'll have to rewatch, but I thought at
> >the time that it was intended as a lead-in for something else which would
> >have "happened again"...  the next round of Bobby vs. James, which was
> >halted when James Marshall decided to take it on the road.  His contract
> >was up for renewal two episodes later, and I always suspected that was the
> >real reason he zoomed off on his bike.

You may be right, but James Marshall says he left so that he 
could do movie work-- he's supposed to be in a movie called 
"Gauntlet" soon (I think).

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <9308@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@umd5.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:
> > In article <9108150253.AA01428@ucbvax.berkeley.edu> C491153@UMCVMB.MISSOURI.EDU (John Schultz) writes:
>> > >version aired in Europe had a wavy image of BOB superimposed over
>> > >the stain in the carpet.
> > According to some behind-the-scenes book, that was Lynch's original idea for
> > the episode, but they decided to just do an ordinary bloodstain, because
> > (A) it would blow the "surprise" of BOB being a real entity, and (B) it was
> > just a bit too hammy that way.

Maybe B, but A?  I mean, BOB appeared not fifteen seconds later in any case!
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In article <1991Aug15.193304.27636@risky.ecs.umass.edu> giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
> >Since at least 1 person seems to care about these announcements, 
> >for Blue Velvet fans, Isabella Rosellini is scheduled to be 
> >on Late Night w/ David Letterman next Tue. the 20th.
> >
> >By the way, does anyone have that original TP pilot script that
> >is apparently for sale somewhere in Cambridge, MA.  I heard that
> >the character of Josie was supposed to be an Italian woman originally.
> >I wonder if the part was written for Isabella until she turned it down?
> >
> >Rocky Giovinazzo


Well months back Joan Chin was on a talk show and she mentioned this.
That the character was supposed to be Italian. I was sure if at the
time she was joking or what. Since she was definitely intimating
about Rosellini and Lynch's connection to one another.


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All of you people posting plot details of "Blue Velvet" - please
consider the possibility that there are one or more people who
read this group who have not yet seen the film.  The same holds
true when posting plot details of *any* film or TV show; it is
common net.courtesy to include a SPOILER warning in the header or
early in the text of the message.  This allows those who plan to
view the work in question to skip the message.

I personally have seen "Blue Velvet" about 10 times now, but
I know a few fairly serious TP devotees who haven't gotten
around to seeing "Blue Velvet" for the first time yet.

Thanks in advance for your consideration to other net readers.

In article <1991Aug14.145453.11584@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> johnson@buster.cps.msu.edu (Graham K Johnson) writes:
> >In article <1991Aug14.055258.28744@risky.ecs.umass.edu> giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
>> >>FYI, the Saturday Night Live season premiere hosted by Kyle
>> >>MacLaughlan is being re-broadcast on the 17th.  For those of you
>> >>who haven't seen it, there are references to TP in the monologue and
>> >>there is also a TP sketch.  
> >
> >Strange...that will make it the third time it has been shown.  Strange, 
> >considering it wasn't even a very good episode, except for Kyle and
> >Mike Myers as the Scottish father & son, and the last line of the show
> >("Hi everybody, I'm K.D. Lang").

SNL only does 22(?) episodes a year so naturally some of them will be shown
3 times.  I thought the Kyle episode was one of the best this season.
The 'Sprockets' sketch was brilliant.  The Scottish sketch was brilliant.
The TP sketch, the opening sketch and the monologue were above average too.

Kyle was beautiful and angular. If he was a gas he would be inert.  I was
so full of anticipation at that show that my genitals had sucked up into
my body cavity.  I felt as happy as a little girl.  This is getting tiresome.

ferenc

In article <7949@male.EBay.Sun.COM> duane@thismoment.EBay.Sun.COM (Duane Day) writes:

> >true when posting plot details of *any* film or TV show; it is
> >common net.courtesy to include a SPOILER warning in the header or
> >early in the text of the message.  This allows those who plan to

I have to apologize here.  I really did mean to post SPOILER 
at the start of the message.

Rocky Giovinazzo

> >In article brackney@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Larry J Brackney) writes:
>> >>In article giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:

Blue Velvet spoilers follow:
---------------------------

>>>> >>>>  2) What happens to Mr. Beaumont at the beginning of the film?
>>>> >>>>     Did he get chewed on by the bugs or what?

> >   Actually not, after Mr. Beaumont falls to the ground, and the dog starts
> >drinking from the hose - we are treated to a long slow zoom into the grass.
> >As the blades of grass part,  a squirming mass of beetle-like insects is
> >revealed.

> >   And we still don't know what happened to Beaumont?  Stroke?  Plot
> >device?  What?!?

I think you're confusing things.  I don't know *why* exactly Mr. B.
fell down since no exact reason is ever given.  I suspect that it was
some kind of mild stroke or heart attack.  If you mean "did he make it
or did he die?" then read my description of some scenes below:

Here's what happened at the beginning of the show:

Mr. Beaumont (Tom I think) falls down on his lawn.  Camera moves
through grass and then zoom in on beatle-like bugs in the grass.  These
bugs are apparently in the lawn of the Beaumonts (the bugs we saw on the
ear were red ants).  Bugs in this show are supposed to represent evil
so here they probably represent Mr. Beaumont's attack-- a sort of evil
that has entered the lives of the Beaumonts.

Anyway, then Jefferey walks to the hospital where he _visits his father_.
He later tells us that "they're doing tests [on his father]."
On the way back, he finds the ear in the field behind Vista (it belongs
to the man found dead with blue velvet in his mouth who I believe is
possibly Mr. Valens)   We then see Jeff at the police 
station and coroner's (I think) with a great scene:
Coroner says that the ear looks like it's been cut off with
scissors and then 'SNIP!' we see scissors cutting the police line
tape.  

Later there's also another shot of the ear that reminds me of 
the Eraserhead wormhole kind of scene, plus there's a close-up
of Jeff's ear at the end when he's sitting in the sun looking at
a Robin in his tree.  

At the very end, the scene is:

[Jeff getting up from lawn chair.  Mr. Beaumont and friend/relative 
are standing doing something on the lawn.]
Jeff: "How you guys doing?"
Some man: "Hey Jeff"
Mr. Beaumont: "Hey Jeff.  Feel much better now Jeff."
Jeff: "Good for you dad."

So Mr. Beaumont has in fact recovered and the "evil" has left the
Beaumonts (i.e. Robin eats beatle on the windowsill).

Rocky Giovinazzo

I've had a couple of requests for a way of accessing the British TP
list I mentioned yesterday.  Send mail to twin-peaks-request@
daresbury.ac.uk.  Logs of the early days of the list were avilable at
one time, the list-owner should be able to tell you about them.
This list is not as active as a.tv.tp, but still has a couple of messages
per day.

John Schultz (caffeine abuser)  !  ABC killed Laura Palmer
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giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
In article <9108150253.AA01428@ucbvax.berkeley.edu> C491153@UMCVMB.MISSOURI.EDU

> >According to a TP discussion list that originates out of England, the
> >version aired in Europe had a wavy image of BOB superimposed over
> >the stain in the carpet.

So the UK episodes _are_ different.  Does that mean that the scene where
Maddy dies was really as graphic as we heard or was that BBC report just
exaggerated?
<end quote>

I remember a discussion on the English list that stated that there seeme
to be a cut in one of their episodes apparently, one of the contributors
had seen both the American and English versions).  As for Maddy's death,
the description I heard on the other list leads me to believe that the
scenes are identical.

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I think that Jeff's dad had a stroke or a heart attack. 
This thing happend, because David Lynch needed a coinsidence to start the 
action of the film. Since if this never happened Jeff would never had gone 
to the hospital to see his father, and therefore he would never have 
found the ear, which he (if you remember) found on his way back. 

This way Lynch managed to make one little bad thing open up a whole world 
of badness. 


The ability for the corpse to remain verticle is the same apility a chicken 
have to run around without, after you've chopped it's head of I think. 


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There have also been some talk about Mary Stavin (who played the blonde 
Icelandic girl that Jerry goes nuts about) was initially going to play the
part of Josie, and that the character was at that time supposed to be
scandinavian (possibly Icelandic).

Sture

giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
> >So the UK episodes _are_ different.  Does that mean that the scene where
> >Maddy dies was really as graphic as we heard or was that BBC report just
> >exaggerated?

The reports were exagerated.

According to people who have seen both, there is no
difference between US and UK versions of the Maddy death
scene.

There were, however, a number of complaints about that scene
which the broadcastung standards people upheld.
Apparently it is all right to show people being murdered, as
long as they don't show that they mind being murdered.

The BBC as a result cut a few of the more violent scenes in
later episodes. The scene where Harry is being strangled by
his unexpected night-time visitor is the only one I can
remember at the moment. The whole struggle was cut short so
that it is over almost as soon as it began.
Bob.

In article <7187@lectroid.sw.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
> >In article <1991Aug14.175309.21611@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, brackney@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Larry J Brackney) writes:
>> >>   My wife and I finally got around to renting Blue Velvet last night.
> >
> >Wow, synchronicity.  Us, too.
> >

Isn't life strange?

>> >>   3) How does that corpse manage to stand up in the final apartment
>> >>      scene?  Sick minds want to know!
> >
> >He isn't a corpse.  The camera quite clearly shows him breathing, and it
> >doesn't look like "an actor trying to hide the fact that he's breathing."
> >It looks like he got a bullet-induced lobotomy, if you pardon the inexact
> >medical phraseology.  Later on, he is really killed, by Frank.
> >

Upon retrospect, I agree.

> >Several things bothered me about Blue Velvet:
> >
> >While tailing Frank, Coop (sorry) sees Frank and the Yellow Man enter a building.
> >Then the Yellow Man comes out and meets the Well-Dressed Man coming from the
> >other direction.  Yet the Well-Dressed Man equals Frank.  Huh?
> >

As I understand it, well-dressed man = Ben = Quantum Leap Buddy except
at the end of the film where Frank disguises himself as the well-dressed
man to escape the police.  Corrections anyone?

> >Coop says, "They went up on the fire escape and looked off in the distance.
> >In the distance, there was a murder of a drug dealer... (damn good eyes, but...)
> >Then the two of them TOLD ME (??!) a lot of drugs would be found in the dealer's
> >apartment."  I couldn't figure this out AT ALL.  Something isn't right here.
> >I listened to this three times, and I'm sure it's what he said.
> >

I believe the quote is in reference to some bystanders who Jeffrey spoke
with later - not the yellow man and company.  (I think this is mentioned
just prior to the sections you quote.)

> >I couldn't make heads or tails of the room with the fat women and that guy who
> >plays "Al" on Quantum Leap.  Part of Frank's gang?  A local cathouse?

I think the cathouse is a good assesment.  Ben is apparently one of Frank's
partners in crime/insanity.  Didn't you love the Candy Colored Clown bit?
Dean Stockwell seems to be a fine actor (IMHO) has he gotten any parts
aside from Blue Velvet and Quantum Leap?

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In article <7199@lectroid.sw.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
> >In article <9308@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@umd5.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:
>> >> (A) it would blow the "surprise" of BOB being a real entity, and (B) it was
>> >> just a bit too hammy that way.
> >
> >Maybe B, but A?  I mean, BOB appeared not fifteen seconds later in any case!

But he didn't actually "appear" in an apparently real-world scene -- i.e. the
murder of Laura Palmer, as seen by Ronnette -- until the end of the episode.  I
always felt that this was intended as a shocking reversal.  The person who we
had all dismissed as not real, as simply a symbolic construct in Cooper's
dream, was suddenly REAL.  Of course, all the publicity about BOB beforehand
kind of blew that idea out of the water, but whatever...

In article <1991Aug16.152555.22334@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> brackney@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Larry J Brackney) writes:

> >Dean Stockwell seems to be a fine actor (IMHO) has he gotten any parts
> >aside from Blue Velvet and Quantum Leap?

Well, considering he made his first film in 1945, and he's been in and out
of the business ever since, yeah, I'd say he has... :-) At least 50 movies
and a gazillion TV shows. Relevant to the Lynch discussion, he was in "Dune",
and he got an Oscar nomination for Demme's "Married to the Mob".

BTW, Dean's finally getting a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, and since
it's being paid for by the fans, uh, we could use a couple more bucks...
(shameless begging for funds)

And, yeah, every time I see Dean, I try VERY hard *not* to think about
"Blue Velvet", 'cause I'd never be able to hug him again. :-) Brrrrr...

Sally
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In article <3719@lulea.telesoft.se>, sture@lulea.telesoft.se (Sture Jonsson) writes:
> > There have also been some talk about Mary Stavin (who played the blonde 
> > Icelandic girl that Jerry goes nuts about) was initially going to play the
> > part of Josie, and that the character was at that time supposed to be
> > scandinavian (possibly Icelandic).

Somehow, I can't imagine a devious Icelandic prostitute with a sordid and
mysterious past...
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In article <Devin_Davidson.3664@tptbbs.UUCP> Devin_Davidson@tptbbs.UUCP (Devin Davidson) writes:
> >
> >My favorite scene would have to be the one where SADC meets Audrey for the
> >first time...
> >
> >             ``As long as those grapfruits ar freshly...squeezed''
> >
Hmmm...SADC...Sick and Demented Cretin?



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In article <9299@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@umd5.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:

> >In article <1991Aug14.153031.9459@risky.ecs.umass.edu> giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
>> >>2.  What the heck does the Palmer ceiling fan signify?  There were a
>> >>couple different shots of it shown repeatedly. Was it nothing special or
>> >>did have something to do with a golden circle? 

> >Ditto for the Traffic Light.

I have another thought about the fan.  If you haven't seen the movie _Angel
Heart_, and are planning on renting it, hit "n" now.

(The following is all my own interpretations)

In _Angel Heart_, a spinning fan symbolized death.  That is, every time a
fan was seen, someone was being killed or had died earlier.  I mean EVERY
time.  Perhaps this is similar to the fan in the Palmer house.  You've got
Laura, Maddy, and Leland to support it.
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In article <7215@lectroid.sw.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
+In article <3719@lulea.telesoft.se>, sture@lulea.telesoft.se (Sture Jonsson) writes:
++ There have also been some talk about Mary Stavin (who played the blonde 
++ Icelandic girl that Jerry goes nuts about) was initially going to play the
++ part of Josie, and that the character was at that time supposed to be
++ scandinavian (possibly Icelandic).
+
+Somehow, I can't imagine a devious Icelandic prostitute with a sordid and
+mysterious past...
+-- 

Well, you must not be trying hard enough.   :-)

scottn@cbnewsl.att.com (Scott H. Novack) writes:
I have another thought about the fan.  If you haven't seen the movie _Angel
Heart_, and are planning on renting it, hit "n" now.

(The following is all my own interpretations)

In _Angel Heart_, a spinning fan symbolized death.  That is, every time a
fan was seen, someone was being killed or had died earlier.  I mean EVERY
time.  Perhaps this is similar to the fan in the Palmer house.  You've got
Laura, Maddy, and Leland to support it.
<end quote>

This little snippet made me think again about the attic fan in the
Heyward house when Donna is looking through the trunk and finds
her birth certificate.  Possibly this foreshadows the death of one
of the people involved in that scene, namely Donna, her mother, and
Ben.  One of these days I'm gonna take a few weeks off and watch my
tapes to see if I can't make sense of that damn fan and traffic light.

John Schultz (caffeine abuser)  !  ABC killed Laura Palmer
c491153@umcvmb.bitnet           !  Macintosh-free and proud of it!
c491153@umcvmb.missouri.edu     !  Subscriber to the hacker ethic

In article <swVo72w163w@zitt>, joe@zitt (Joe Zitt) writes:
> > zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) writes:
> > 
>> > > I know what you mean though; how can you show ANY connective plot tissue 
>> > > between Coop/Earl stuff and Laura Palmer stuff in a prequel.  In an ideal
>> > > world, where the movie does NOT have to stand alone, but be an integral part
>> > > of the serial this would be easy.  Lots of serials have seemingly unrelated
>> > > plot lines that meet and intertwine later.  But most likely the POWERS THAT B
>> > > at Hollywood will make sure that the movie must stand on its own and that it
>> > > ISN'T necessary to watch the TV episodes to understand what is going on.
> > 
> > It would seem to me that we have a couple of characters who may have been in
> > both places at about that time: BOB and MIKE. They also might tie Teresa into
> > the Renault brothers' coke operations. Laura and Teresa were also both 
> > involved in Fleshworld... hmm... I wonder if they might have met. There's also
> > the issue of Cooper's Blue Man (from his autobiography)...

One thing the discussion about the movie isn't focusing on is what its ending
would be like. If it's a prequel it couldn't really tie up any of the loose
ends; everything would have to be as unresolved as it was at the start of
the TV series. This would have to be really frustrating for anyone not familiar
with the series.

-----
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erics@infoserv.com |   the past, remembering that once it was all 
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> > (scott.h.novack) writes:
>> >> (Jon Blum) writes:

>>> >>> (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
>>> >>>2.  What the heck does the Palmer ceiling fan signify?  There were a
>>> >>>couple different shots of it shown repeatedly. Was it nothing special or
>>> >>>did have something to do with a golden circle? 

>> >>Ditto for the Traffic Light.

Angel Heart SPOILERS ***

> >

I have another thought about the fan:
> >In _Angel Heart_, a spinning fan symbolized death.  That is, every time a
> >fan was seen, someone was being killed or had died earlier.  I mean EVERY
> >time.  Perhaps this is similar to the fan in the Palmer house.  You've got
> >Laura, Maddy, and Leland to support it.

I also thought about this Angel Heart business.  In Angel Heart,
however, I thought this is what was happening:  During the movie, 
the Satanic ritual scene was shown over and over again, but only a
little bit was shown at first.  The very first time, we just got to
see the fan in the window, then later, we got a little bit closer, until
at the end, we were past the fan and able to see what really happened.
I thought that every time Angel Heart (was that his name?) killed
someone, he was being drawn further into realizing what he done to the
guy in that ritual and was drawn further into condemnation by his sins.
Because we saw him remember more every time he killed, I guess you
could say that we also say the fan every time he killed.

Nevertheless, I don't think there was a 1-to-1 correlation between
fan shots and killings in Twin Peaks.  Most of the fan shots were when
Coop was dreaming or when someone was thinking about Laura.

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <1991Aug14.175309.21611@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> brackney@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Larry J Brackney) writes:
> >
> >  My wife and I finally got around to renting Blue Velvet last night.
> >Most impressive.  Jeffrey had all the makings of a budding young Coop!
> >A few questions though:
> >
> >  2) What happens to Mr. Beaumont at the beginning of the film?
> >     Did he get chewed on by the bugs or what?
> >
> >
 Mr. Beaumont has a heart attack at the beginning of the film.
I'm not sure why but he was a fat guy, and sometimes things happen just like
that!  Sometimes mild pressures can set one off.  Mr. Beaumont was having
a little trouble with the water pressure in the hose cuz of the knot in it.
I come from a long line of slim people with low blood pressure and good 
diet and excercise habits---so I'm NOT an expert on heart attacks.



> >  3) How does that corpse manage to stand up in the final apartment
> >     scene?  Sick minds want to know!
> >
> >
The Yellow Man wasn't dead yet.  He had been shot in the head and was probably
suffering from intense brain dammage.  SHADES OF LEO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ferenc

Well after waiting 4 months my C00P T-shirt finally arrived.
Not only does it have C00P ("o"s in donuts) and the "Citizens
Opposed to the Offing of Peaks in the front, and the "All
We Are Saying IS Give Peaks A Chance" in the back, but I was
suprised to find a drawing of the (L)MFAP on the front. Anyway,
damn fine t-shirt. 

Anyway, if others have not received their shirts yet, be patient,
they will eventual arrive, and will be worth the wait.


Sally--
-- It's the end of the world as we know it. || Sally A. Wilson It's the end of the world as we know it. || sally@mica.berkeley.edu And I feel fine. (R.E.M.) || aka Francesca da Rimini

In a previous article, giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) says:

> >By the way, does anyone have that original TP pilot script that
> >is apparently for sale somewhere in Cambridge, MA.  I heard that
> >the character of Josie was supposed to be an Italian woman originally.
> >I wonder if the part was written for Isabella until she turned it down?
> >
That's exactly who was originally supposed to play the part.

-- Joel Tscherne Cleveland Freenet: ac985@cleveland.Freenet.edu ====================================================================== "I found I could FLY, that I had TREMENDOUS STRENGTH. I was INVULNERABLE to all harm...I was MIRACLEMAN!" "Liz, you're LAUGHING!"

In article <D2150056.m5xwj0@erics.infoserv.com>, erics@infoserv.com (Eric S. Smith) writes:
> > 
> > 
> > In article <1991Aug14.042315.5510@intacc.uucp>, zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) writes:
>> > > 
>> > > I know what you mean though; how can you show ANY connective plot tissue 
>> > > between Coop/Earl stuff and Laura Palmer stuff in a prequel.  In an ideal
>> > > world, where the movie does NOT have to stand alone, but be an integral part
>> > > of the serial this would be easy.  Lots of serials have seemingly unrelated
>> > > plot lines that meet and intertwine later.  But most likely the POWERS THAT BE
>> > > at Hollywood will make sure that the movie must stand on its own and that it
>> > > ISN'T necessary to watch the TV episodes to understand what is going on.
> > 
> > True, but also the Hollywood powers that be probably feel that a TP movie without
> > Cooper, the series' main character, is probably a doomed enterprise.
> > 
> > Eric

I agree with Eric. That is the only explanation why Coop would figure large in a prequel.  Too bad they decided to do a prequel. My theory on that is that they wanted to keep their option for a tv series or miniseries open. Otherwise, they would have gotten a much larger audience, and a more interesting part for Kyle, by picking up where they left off on TV.

Re: SADC.
 
Last time i looked, Special Agent Dale Cooper, but the Cretin one works for
me...


-- Via DLG Pro v0.975b

Devin Davidson

One voice chants out between two worlds
FIRE, walk with me

In article <1991Aug15.205443.21625@exurchn1.ericsson.se>, exuhag@exurchn1.ericsson.se (James Hague) writes:
> > mark@cambridge.apple.com (Mark Preece) writes:
>> > >
>> > >(Remember, this was 
>> > >before Leo became a comedic figure - he seemed intensely evil in a way Windom
>> > >Earl never was).
> > 
> > Great observation!  Windom Earl was too ridiculous to be believed.  He
> > seemed more like a campy Batman villan than someone who was really
> > dangerous.  (I thought that the "giant chess piece" bit was a parody of
> > the "and when the timer runs out, you will be turned into a huge
> > postage stamp--HA HA HA HA HA" sort of thing.)
> > 
> > But Leo was *mean*...

I agree! Leo was even scary as a *vegetable*! In those scenes after Shelley
and Bobby took him home I was often on the edge of my seat, expecting him
to come out of it at any moment. You could never really tell whether or not
he was faking it.

-----
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erics@sco.com      |  soon it will be the past; and we must respect 
erics@infoserv.com |   the past, remembering that once it was all 
CI$: 70262,3610    |   that was humanly possible."  -- George Santayana

In article <1991Aug14.203158.15861@intacc.uucp> zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) writes:
> >In article <8754@cactus.org> kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull) writes:

>> >>The kid with the creamed corn.  "J'ai une ame solitaire,"  with the
>> >>'s' lisped so it sounded like "sholitaire."

> >I'm sure he said "J'ai un homme solitaire", which translates as "I'm a lonely
> >man".  By the way, the kid was David Lynch's son.

I don't think so.  My French is pretty rusty, but "J'ai" is "I have"--"I am"
is "Je suis".

> >Some things happen just like that.

> >ferenc


-- Jeff Hansen ----------- Internet: jmh@aal.itd.umich.edu BitNet: userHCQ7@UBUMICH Jeff_Hansen@ub.cc.umich.edu

One more unanswered question:

"New shoes!"  See also the one-armed man's boots found at Leo's and the line
"Leo needs a new pair of shoes!" in the first-season meeting between Leo,
Mike, and Bobby.

I have a few guesses, but let's see what we can all come up with...

I might be a sick individual, but I don't think that the final scene of
Blue Velvet is meant to be such a happy ending. It has been posited in this
group that the robin devouring the bug indicates that the evil which has
touched the lives of the Beaumonts has been expunged.
However, in the shot, the robin is totally and obviously bogus. I took
this to be a shot at the kind of world-view held by Laura Dern's character (
remember her dream about the world with no robins, and the scene where she is
crying and saying "where is my dream"?). Lumberton seemed like a such an idyllic
place and yet there is an undercurrent of pure evil. The "good" characters in
the film are, to my mind, portrayed as almost contemptuously naive and so at
the end when the robin dream has come "true", the robin is obviously fake. Thus
only a naive fool would believe that faith in dreams where love conquers all etc
will overcome the Franks of the world. Hiding behind dreams and pretend games
will not make evil go away. Blue Velvet is my favourite film, but I really don't
think that the "nice" characters are meant to be sympathetically received.

Wylie Bradford

I'm a beginner of Twin Peaks.  I live in Japan so I watch it on video.

Yesterday I watched the whole first season.  (It took me hours, you
know!)  So far, so good.  But most of the people at alt.tv.twin-peaks
seem to think they are depressed by the ending.  What do you think?
Do you think it's worth my time and money to see the all episodes?  So
far, I'm more and more fascinated, but I don't want to be disappointed
at the ending.

Let me hear your personal opinions, preferably by e-mail.  Please be
careful not to spoil the fun for me just in case I decide to keep on
watching subsequent episodes.

           Yasuro KAWATA
        yasuro@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp

Maekawa Laboratory, Department of Information Science, 
Faculty of Science, University of Tokyo, JAPAN

In <SCOTTN.91Aug16163519@cbnewsl.ATT.COM> scottn@cbnewsl.ATT.COM (scott.h.novack) writes:
> >In _Angel Heart_, a spinning fan symbolized death.  That is, every time a
> >fan was seen, someone was being killed or had died earlier.

  I was under the impression that the fans in Angel Heart were going
backwards, possibly due to the presence of evil.


Friendless

Sometimes, the real world is stranger than fantasy.

-> Since at least 1 person seems to care about these announcements, for
-> Blue Velvet fans, Isabella Rosellini is scheduled to be
-> on Late Night w/ David Letterman next Tue. the 20th.

Thanks for the info.  I'll look forward to it.  BTW Is she still "going"
with Lynch?  Haven't heard anything about DL's lovelife in quite
sometime...

-> By the way, does anyone have that original TP pilot script that is
-> apparently for sale somewhere in Cambridge, MA.  I heard that the
-> character of Josie was supposed to be an Italian woman originally. I
-> wonder if the part was written for Isabella until she turned it down?

An original script?  Wow.  I know COPIES of the pilot script are widely
available (Wish I had one) but never seen an original.  Yes, Josie was
supposed to be italian and written specially for Isabella but she turned
it down... this was talked about in either "TP: Behind the Scenes" or
"Welcome to TP" (The unofficial book, not the Access Guide) so it may
not be 100% accurate.

Dennis Baker.
--
Canada Remote Systems.  Toronto, Ontario
NorthAmeriNet Host

In article <9340@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@umd5.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:
> >One more unanswered question:
> >
> >"New shoes!"  See also the one-armed man's boots found at Leo's and the line
> >"Leo needs a new pair of shoes!" in the first-season meeting between Leo,
> >Mike, and Bobby.
> >
> >I have a few guesses, but let's see what we can all come up with...

DUH!
the new shoes were leo's old boots he sent into repair that had the
microcasette of his meeting with Ben Horne to discuss burning the
mill.

no secret here.

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Ok, folks, here's the latest on the movie from the Chicago Sun Times (8/19)
(courtesy of the LA Times). This article is copied without permission,
so please don't tell on me :-).

"Peaks" project on the ascent

By Elaine Dutka (Los Angeles Times)

Director David Lynch's on-again, off-again feature film version of his cult
TV series "Twin Peaks" is, well...on again. Kyle MacLachlan, who played the
series' central character, FBI Agent Dale Cooper, has dropped his reservations
about the project and the movie is scheduled to start shooting in September.

The project, tentatively titled "Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me", will feature
all the regulars with the exception of Lara Flynn Boyle (MacLachlan's real-life
love interest, who played the slain Laura Palmer's best friend on the show),
and Sherilyn Fenn (another high school friend of Palmer's). Both actresses
reportedly had to bow out because of scheduling conflicts.

"Rather than negotiate for a later date, we decided to go on without them,"
says Gaye Pope, unit publicist for Lynch-Frost, the director's production
company. "We might have even gone on without Kyle, rewriting the script,
but his decision to do this makes a great deal of difference. We're hoping
that those fans loyal to the show [which has been canceled by ABC] will
come to the theaters. Our thought is that there's a built-in market out
there."

Lynch will be directing the movie as the first in a three-picture deal with
CIBY 2000, a French company.

First, however, is the re-release of Lynch's first feature, 1978's "Eraserhead",
by Miramax Films in late October. Described by the company as an "eerily erotic
sci-fi parable of the responsibilities of parenthood," the movie focuses on
a man whose hair stands permenantly on end in the shape of an eraser. After
impregnating his girfriend, he is forced to marry her and becomes the father
of a strange inhuman creature.

Why dredge up "Eraserhead" now? "There's a lot of interest in David Lynch,"
says Russell Schwartz, executive vice-president of Miramax. "And we think
it would be fun taking a cult classic which for years played only at
midnight shows and turning it into a mainstream picture."

Lynch's camp agrees. "Those people who are familiar with David are more in
touch with `Blue Velvet' and `Wild At Heart' than his earlier work," Gaye
Pope says. "Bringing `Eraserhead' out again for a whole new audience who've
never seen it before is a great idea."

Industry observers say that it makes good commercial sense, as well. And not
only because Lynch is a brand name these days or that, in an era of belt-
tightening, re-release is a way of sidestepping an expensive production
budget.

"It feeds the public's hunger for `hip'", one notes, "which right now, is
coming primarily from the black filmmakers. Gus Van Sant, the Coen Brothers,
Jim Jarmusch and David Lynch contribute their one film a year, but anything
out of the mainstream is an increasingly rare commodity in an industry
that feeds on junk food."



John Ryder - Tellabs Inc.

In article <1991Aug18.194523.19830@engin.umich.edu> jmh@engin.umich.edu (Jeffrey M. Hansen) writes:
> >In article <1991Aug14.203158.15861@intacc.uucp> zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) writes:
>> >>In article <8754@cactus.org> kate@cactus.org (Katherine M. Catmull) writes:
> >
>>> >>>The kid with the creamed corn.  "J'ai une ame solitaire,"  with the
>>> >>>'s' lisped so it sounded like "sholitaire."
> >
>> >>I'm sure he said "J'ai un homme solitaire", which translates as "I'm a lonely
>> >>man".  By the way, the kid was David Lynch's son.
> >
> >I don't think so.  My French is pretty rusty, but "J'ai" is "I have"--"I am"
> >is "Je suis".

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IT'S BAAAAAAACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just when you thought it was safe to rejoin the net...........

It's the thread(s) that wouldn't die!  Obviously no one from alt.lang.french
reads (or has ever read) this group.

>> >>man".  By the way, the kid was David Lynch's son.

Now wait a minute.  Is this really true?!   :-)

Dave

From the Washington Post: Kyle is back on board, along with all the regulars,
EXCEPT for Lara Flynn Boyle and Sherilyn Fenn.

I guess this K.O.'s the idea of a prequel. How can they do a Laura Palmer
story without Donna? Or James, for that matter... It eliminates one
whole side of her life.

Also, the article didn't say exactly who are "the regulars"... Is Andrew
Packard one of them? How about "guest stars" like Grace Zabriske or
Miguel Ferrer?...

In article <9108170030.AA18703@ucbvax.berkeley.edu>, C491153@UMCVMB.MISSOURI.EDU (John Schultz) writes:
[deletions]
> > This little snippet made me think again about the attic fan in the
> > Heyward house when Donna is looking through the trunk and finds
> > her birth certificate.  Possibly this foreshadows the death of one
> > of the people involved in that scene, namely Donna, her mother, and
> > Ben.  One of these days I'm gonna take a few weeks off and watch my
> > tapes to see if I can't make sense of that damn fan and traffic light.
> > 
> > John Schultz (caffeine abuser)  !  ABC killed Laura Palmer

I was struck by the attic fan myself and made the connection to fan in the Palmer house but not specifically as a signal that someone was going to die, more like an indicator of BOB related stuff and nastiness ahead. If you are correct, then it looks like Ben will not survive his collision with the fireplace.

-Rich Haller

In article <D2150056.m5yif2@erics.infoserv.com> erics@infoserv.com writes:
<
<In article <9292@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@umd5.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:
<> 
<> I had a feeling the kid would turn up in the finale
<> (which, after all, his dad directed), but they've left him hanging.  I have
<> a feeling the producers decided to forget as much of the unexplained threads
<> surrounding Laura Palmer as they could, and hope the viewers could do the
<> same...  :)
<
<Yes, the Creamed Corn Kid appeared back when you thought *everything* in the
<show was connected to the main storyline and part of a well thought out, 
<intricate
<plot sequence. Later it became obvious that not only was this not true but
<that several sequences like this one just went nowhere and seemed to be placed
<in the show only for their weirdness value.

I don't know if this sort of discussion is meaningful.  Keep in mind
that we haven't seen TP as originally intended -- what we saw was just
an end of season cliff hanger.  The fact that no episodes followed has
nothing to do with the "weirdness", it was just the money problem.

Jan Bielawski
Computervision R&D, San Diego
jpb@calmasd.prime.com

erics@infoserv.com (Eric S. Smith) writes:

> > One thing the discussion about the movie isn't focusing on is what its ending
> > would be like. If it's a prequel it couldn't really tie up any of the loose
> > ends; everything would have to be as unresolved as it was at the start of
> > the TV series. This would have to be really frustrating for anyone not famili
> > with the series.

Not necessarily -- it could end with the complete murder sequence, as it has
been deduced by Coop, et al. It could even pull a complete 180. My pet whacko
theory is that the Good Guys assumed too readily that BOB was possessing
Leland when he killed Laura; in reality, BOB was possessing >Ben< (who was
Laura's true father), and only possessed Leland as of the first season
cliffhanger, when he killed Jacques and his hair turned white. If this were
shown, we'd all have to watch the show >again< in light of this revelation,
and see the tragedy compounded and increased by the investigation turning
out to be mostly useless.

As I said, it's a whacko theory... but could well be satisfying both as a
standalone piece and as a followup/prequel to the show...

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

jblum@umd5.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:

> > From the Washington Post: Kyle is back on board, along with all the regulars,
> > EXCEPT for Lara Flynn Boyle and Sherilyn Fenn.
> > 
> > I guess this K.O.'s the idea of a prequel.  How can they do a Laura Palmer
> > story without Donna?  Or James, for that matter...  It eliminates one
> > whole side of her life.

Hmmm, if they're only (as rumoured) covering her final week, they can handle
Donna and Audrey not being around. Laura had gotten rather strange by then,
and its not unthinkable that neither of them would have had much in the way
of plot-important interactions with her. They were in the same homeroom in
school, but students in Twin Peaks don't seem to spend much time in school
anyway :-).

The entries in the timeline show only the following events in that span:

22 Feb (Wednesday)
   -- Maddy feels Laura's in trouble (Maddy to Donna and James, 1005)

23 Feb (Thursday)

   5:00 pm (Josie to Cooper and Truman, 1001)
   -- Laura arrives at Josie's for her English lessons.  Josie says
      Laura left an hour later.

   Sometime after dinner
   -- Last entry in Laura's diary:  "Nervous about meeting J. tonight."
      (She remarks about having asparagus for dinner again, 1000)
   -- Bobby meets with Leo (Bobby to Mike, 1001)

   9:00 - 9:30 pm
   -- Laura returns home from Bobby's.  (Sarah Palmer tells Truman
      she last saw Laura when she got home about 9:00 (1000). 
      Bobby answers yes when Cooper asks him, "she was studying at
      your house until about 9:30. Isn't that right?")

   9:30 pm
   -- Laura snuck out of her house (James to Cooper, 1001)

   10:00 pm
   -- Leland calls Laura from Ben's office (Cooper to Truman and
      Albert, 2009)

   12:30 pm
   -- Laura jumps off James' bike at Sparkwood and 21 and runs off
      (James to  Cooper, 1001)

   12:00 - 4:00 am
   -- Estimated time of Laura's death according to the preliminary
      autopsy (Doc Hayward to Cooper and Truman, 1001)

That's it. We can piece together more stuff from the eyewitness account of
the Log and Waldo, and possibly the diary.

Looks like we have more than enough for the movie.

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

OK, so I know that this is slightly misspelt, but whilst perusing a map of
Scotland for a forthcoming walking holiday there I noticed a mountain by the
name of "Ben Horn". For those unaware of such things "Ben" or"Beinn" means
"mountain" in Gaelic.

Well it made me laugh.
-- ================================================================================ Mike Hart mrh@maths.nott.ac.uk "Talent defines what you do, not what you are" - Terry Pratchett

Besides the miner role (sic) David Lynch played in Dune,  
did he in any other way help in the making of it?


Thanks,
Kevin

In article <1991Aug20.133234.183011@cs.cmu.edu>
kwh+@RI.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann) writes:
> >
> >Besides the miner role (sic) David Lynch played in Dune,  
> >did he in any other way help in the making of it?

I thought he directed it: is that helping?

In article <1991Aug20.133234.183011@cs.cmu.edu>, kwh+@RI.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann) writes:
> > 
> > Besides the miner role (sic) David Lynch played in Dune,  
> > did he in any other way help in the making of it?
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Kevin


Uh... Do you mean besides DIRECTING it, as well?

|Tom Tullio

ttullio@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:

<In article <1991Aug20.133234.183011@cs.cmu.edu>, kwh+@RI.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann) writes:
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<> Besides the miner role (sic) David Lynch played in Dune,  
<> did he in any other way help in the making of it?
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<> Thanks,
<> Kevin


<Uh... Do you mean besides DIRECTING it, as well?

and writing the screenplay too... other than that, no, he had nothing to
do with the movie :-)

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