Season 2, Episode 02: Coma — October 06–12, 1990

In article <1990Oct10.233805.1728@supernet.haus.com> 
cluther@supernet.haus.com (Clay Luther) writes:
> > No one besides me and my close friends who watched to show seem to think
> > Bob was laughing, though.

No, I thought Bob was laughing, too...  Even after repeated viewings...

--
Lefty  (lefty@twg.com)                        "And you may ask yourself,
DoD # 0152                                       'How do I work this?'"

In article <1990Oct12.163940.14501@cs.umn.edu> wsmith@cs.umn.edu (Warren Smith [Randy]) writes:
> >I don't regularly watch tp, but a column in the local paper made
> >clever joke if its true...
> >
> >Some supporting clues are mentioned - the rock hitting Andy in the
> >head when Cooper is trying to deduce the murderer.  Andy's changes
> >in behavior (mentioned in this group previously).  And a few others.
> >

The problem with the Andy theories is that every possible clue about
Andy can (or has been) explained away with much easier explanations
(e.g. Andy cries at the sight of Laura : Andy cried at the last murder
      Andy is shown near a poster of Killer Bob: how else are we to
      see the police putting up posters.  Andy is the natural for this
      assignment.
      Andy gets hit by the rock, it hit the tree first, maybe the tree
      did it, how about the bottle?
      "It's Andy.  Agent cooper, it's Andy": it was Andy on the phone.
      Changes in behavior: wouldn't you act different after lots of
      range practice and after your girlfriend cheats on you?
      The crackling tape=fire theory : is there anything in this show
      that someone hasn't turned into a symbol yet?)
                      and
If he has a motive, it is pretty well hidden at this point.
                      so
If it is Andy, we have been shown very little so far.
                    and besides
People named Andy are just too damn nice to do this -Andy Michael

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Please post the following to alt.twinpeaks

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> Although I had 4 years of French in Jr. High and High School, and
> there are many more fluent than I, I thought the KM said,
> "Et une ame solitaire" describing Harold Smith next door, whom
> Donna was going to visit.

I watched the episode, and having just recently finished 2nd year French,
distinctly heard:

J'ai un homme solitaire,

which means "I have a solitary man." I am wondering whether Lynch got his
French wrong, since "I am a solitary man (Je suis un homme solitaire)" or "He
is a solitary man (Il est un homme solitaire)" can easily be confused with "I
have a solitary man.

1st person singular avoir (to have) sounds exactly like
3rd person singular etre (to be). If Lynch got his verbs confused he might have
used the first person pronoun (Je) with what he thought was the third person
form of to be (est), but which sounds like the first person form of to have
(ai).

Anyway, what you describe as "ame" is most certainly "homme" (man). You might
make a case for "Et un homme solitaire" (And a solitary man), especially if the
line preceding fits well.

I am still convinced that the boy said "J'ai un homme solitaire."

-----C "I am Pippi Longstocking!
maxrebo@untvax.bitnet If you say it fast, it's fuuuuunny!
maxrebo@vaxb.acs.unt.eduOh Pippi, Pippi Longstocking!
How I love my funny name!!!"

[Many thanks to The Queen Of Swords]

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At the tail end of a long exchange, Thane E. Plambeck
<plambeck@Neon.Stanford explains what TP is really about:

}if twin peaks is about anything it is about messages, messages sent but
}not received, messages by phone, messages as clues, messages as dreams,
}messages as massages (one-eyed jacks).  we have messages from logs,
}messages from birds, messages going on to recording tape for diane,
}messages to iceland, messages from outerspace, messages from a giant
}in the middle of the night with UFO bright light metaphor, strange accent
}and token of proof (missing ring).  The best scene in the last Twin peaks
}was between the military man and the log lady---the log's message was
}``deliver the message,'' the log ladies question was ``do you understand
}that,'' and his answer was ``yes, I believe I do.''  It was a gratifying
}scene for the viewer precisely because this moment distilled the act of
}reception from our own understanding of the information conveyed---we know
}none of the message, the sender, the receiver or the mechanism by
}which it is conveyed, but that it is confirmed as received is gratifying
}to us.  modern man desires community and a sense of belonging and even
}this highly reduced communal feeling or understanding strikes a deep chord.

I repeated this message which has come to me out of the unknown ether of
netnews because some readers might have given up before getting to it and
because it clearly presents what far too many critics have missed about
Twin Peaks: TP is NEITHER a soap opera NOR a mystery about who killed
a teenaged homecoming queen. It is a work of art by a masterful artist.
Whether Thane's interpretation is correct or not can be debated (I'm not
sure we can put in a nutshell what TP is saying!) but I think it gives
us a way to make a quantum leap beyond the silly Who killed LP?

Perhaps repeating this message is my attempt to grope for that communal
feeling or understanding that Major Briggs must have striven for!

% grep -i 't.*r.*b' /usr/dict/words
administrable
attribute
attribution
attributive
bathrobe
butterball
Canterbury
claustrophobia
claustrophobic
constructible
contraband<-- Aha!
contrabass
contribute
contribution
contributor
contributory
controllable
controvertible
counterbalance
demonstrable
distribution
distributive
distributor<-- Aha!
disturb
disturbance<-- Aha!
extricable
featherbed
featherbedding
featherbrain
Gaithersburg
impenetrable
imperturbable
inalterable
incontrollable
incontrovertible
indestructible
indeterminable
inextricable
integrable
interruptible
intolerable
intractable
irretrievable
jitterbug
Latrobe
leatherback
litterbug
maldistribute
orthorhombic
penetrable<-- Aha!
perturb
perturbate
Petersburg
quarterback
registrable
retribution
saturable
scatterbrain
starboard
Sternberg
stormbound
storyboard
strabismic
strabismus
strawberry
strikebreak
strobe
stroboscopic
Stromberg
Sturbridge
Tarbell
terbium
terminable
terrible<-- Aha!
thereabouts
thereby
thoroughbred
threadbare
throb<-- Aha!
thrombosis
throwback
thyroglobulin
tolerable
traceable
transcribe
transfusable
transmissible
transmittable
transposable
traversable
treble
tremble
triable
tribal<-- Aha!
tribe
tribesman
tribesmen
tribulate
tribunal
tribune
tributary
tribute
trilobite
trisyllable
trombone
trouble<-- Aha!
troubleshoot
troublesome
Trumbull
turban
turbid
turbidity
turbinate
turbine
turbofan
turbojet
turbulent
turnabout
turntable
turtleback
Waterbury
weatherbeaten
ytterbium<-- Aha!

% grep -i 'b.*r.*t' /usr/dict/words
abbreviate
Abernathy
aberrant
aberrate
abhorrent
abort
abreact
abreast
abridgment
abrogate
abrupt
absorbent
absorption
absorptive
abstract
abstractor
Albert<-- Aha!
Alberta
Alberto
Albrecht
Albright
arbitrate
arboretum
baccalaureate
baccarat
bankrupt<-- Aha!
bankruptcy
barbital
barbiturate
barefoot
baritone
Barnet
Barnett
barnstorm
barometer
baronet
Barrett
barrette
Barrington
Barstow
bartend
bartender
barter
Barth
Bartholomew
Bartlett
Bartok
Barton
barycentric
Bathurst
battlefront
Bayport
Bayreuth
Beirut
belligerent
berate
bereft
beret
bergamot
Bergstrom
Berkowitz<-- Aha!
Berlitz
Bernet
Bernstein
Bert
berth
Bertha
Bertie
Bertram
Bertrand
betroth
betrothal
bicarbonate
bichromate
bidirectional
bifurcate
bipartisan
bipartite
birdbath
birdwatch<-- Aha!
birefringent
Birgit
birth
birthday
birthplace
birthright
bitternut
bitterroot
bittersweet
bivariate
bladdernut
bladderwort
blameworthy
bloodroot
blueprint
blurt
blutwurst
Bonaparte
borate
borosilicate
bracelet
bracket
bract
Brahmaputra
brainstorm
Brandt
brant
bratwurst
breadfruit
breadroot
breadth
breakfast
breakpoint
breakthrough
breakwater
breast
breastplate
breastwork
breath
breathe
breathtaking
breathy
bremsstrahlung
Brent
Brest
brethren
Breton
Brett
brevet
brevity
Brewster
brickbat
Bridgeport
Bridget
Bridgetown
Bridgewater
brigantine
bright
brighten
Brighton
brilliant
brimstone
bristle
Bristol
Britain
Britannic
Britannica
britches
British
Briton
Brittany
Britten
brittle
broadcast
bronchitis
Brontosaurus
broth
brothel<-- Aha!
brother<-- Aha!
brought
browbeaten
bruit
brunette
brunt
brutal
brute
Bryant
bryophyta
bryophyte
Bucharest
bureaucrat
bureaucratic
buret
burette
Burlington
Burnett
burnout
burnt
bursitis
burst
bursty
Burt
Burton
Burtt
butterfat
butternut
butyrate
byproduct
cabaret
calibrate
carbohydrate
carburetor
celebrant
celebrate
celebrity
cerebrate
childbirth
cloudburst
collaborate
corroborate
Culbertson
cybernetic
deliberate
elaborate
embrittle
equilibrate
exuberant
eyebright
fabricate
fibration
filbert
flabbergast
Galbreath
Gibraltar
gilbert
Gilbertson
gubernatorial
Herbert
hibernate
Hilbert
Hobart
Hubert
insubordinate
invertebrate
laboratory
labradorite
labyrinth
lambert
liberate
libertarian
libertine
liberty
librate
librettist
libretto
lubricant
lubricate
lubricity
obdurate
obliterate
observant
observation
observatory
obstruct
obstruent
protuberant
puberty
Rembrandt
reverberate
Robert<-- Aha!
Roberta
Roberto
Robertson
Schubert
sobriety
sobriquet
stillbirth
subrogation
subservient
substrate
subvert
sunburnt
sybarite
vertebrate
vibrant
vibrate
vibrato


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I found this quote today, make of it what you will.


"And as we stand on the edge of darkness
 Let our chant fill the void
 That others may know

 In the land of the night
 The ship of the sun
 Is drawn by
 The grateful dead."

                -- Tibetan "Book of the Dead," ca. 4000 BC.

--
  The moon is a planet just like the Earth, only it is even deader.
                               Randy Erb
                          ere101@psuvm.psu.edu

  If you would like to remember there are four letters that have been
found.  One was found in the autopsy of Laura.  Now if you want to think
about the letters, try something.  The clues are there, and we have seen
the killer and the killer's body (maybe).  there fore if we assume it is
BOB, and a renegade owl, or just the entire owl thing together, we've
got a lot to puzzle out, most of which won't even mesh with Lynch, but
in every case, he's wierd. 

 J-l P

 Now can anyone recite all four letters?

Much as I personally love it, I am not optimistic about the long-term
prospects for TP.  I believe that the approach that Lynch/Frost have
taken in the plotline of the show (hordes of complex characters,
multitudes of subplots, little concession to first-time viewers in
terms of plot recaps) discourages new viewers from joining the series.

I have tried to interest a number of friends, who I know to possess
the sort of warped minds that would appreciate the show, into watching
with me, and without exception none has become a regular viewer.  I
have offered to let them review first-season shows (sort of a
"Remedial TP"), but no one has taken me up on the offer.  I think that
the show demands a certain level of involvement from the viewer, and
if you haven't been in on it all along, catching up is very daunting.
Even attempting a verbal summary of the key points of the show so far
would take an hour or two.

I wouldn't want Lynch/Frost to change a thing.  (Well not in regards
to this, anyway :-)  However, I suspect that the attrition of
continuing viewers will exceed the number of new viewers, and result
in a steadily declining audience.  The continuing slipping of the
show's ratings would suggest that this is happening.

I would rather see a satisfactory conclusion to the open questions
introduced so far, than an attempt to make the show "more accessible"
by watering it down.

In article <90283.113612BXJ101@psuvm.psu.edu> BXJ101@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> >When Ronette was saying "tr- tr- tr-", I thought she was trying to say "train"
> >or "traincar,"  because Cooper immediately asked "Are you in the traincar?"

Now, I thought she also could have been saying, "Jerr!  Jerr!"  This was
inspired by the later scene with B&J, where Ben called Jerry, "Jerr."

So maybe BOB is both Ben and Jerry, with Jerry being the actual killer this
time...

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> >Unless BOB = One Armed Mike, there isn't mention of Mike in the diary.
> >Lets take a look at the idea of BOB hanging out inside Mike, even if

in her diary, laura talks about a dream in which a huge rat is about
to attack her, and she cuts off her foot to keep it at bay.  perhaps
this is how mike got rid of bob.  perhaps also this is the key to
why she got herself killed.

In article <Oct.12.04.51.24.1990.27026@romulus.rutgers.edu> webster@romulus.rutgers.edu (John Clayton Webster) writes:
> >
> >The owls are vampires.
> >
Listen to de owwwwlllllls. Children of de nighhhhhhhhht. Such boooootifullll
meeeeuuuuuuussssssic.

I like it. It's as good as the mynahh bird doing it.
-- Jeff Davis davis@keats.ca.uky.edu Trombone Player by Nature and a Singer by Heart

In article <1990Oct11.052247.19925@mercury.cair.du.edu> rwelch@diana.cair.du.edu (RANDY S WELCH) writes:
> >Or go over to FOX... ( I can see it now :  "The home of The Simpsons &
> >Twin Peaks )

I wouldn't mind this a bit.  FOX would probably give Lynch/Frost all the
control they want, within boundaries that are far outside what the other
three networks would set (case in point, Married With Children).  And FOX
also seems to be more willing to let shows that aren't smash hits in the
ratings have a longer run than the other networks would, both of which are
great plusses as far as Twin Peaks is concerned.

Besides, my miserable TV pulls in WKBD (FOX) far better than WXYZ (ABC). 
:-)

 -Chris
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And then, I had another dream!

" . . . While some of the dishes described may seem outre, 
even disgusting, Gerard Horne has captured truly unique dining 
experiences from around the globe.  His recipes are easily 
followed, but preparation is best left to those who are not 
easily shocked.  His ingredients list will probably overtax
your local supermarket, so be prepared to go to considerable 
trouble and expense to obtain some of the more unusual items.  
Substitutions are generally ineffective."

-- The New York Times Book Review
   COOKING ADVENTURES, by Gerard Horne

    Benjamin Horne sat in his office, smoking a pipe.  The doors burst
open.  Jerry Horne strode in, holding a 5 gallon carton of ice cream.

Benjamin: Hey, Jerry, what's the story?

Jerry: I just got back from Finland.  Ben, you've never tasted anything like 
  it.  They take vanilla ice cream, and heat it til it starts to melt.  After 
  that, they take the ice cream, and stir in pieces of Icelandic leg of lamb, 
  and smashed Rolex watches.  It's incredible!  I think it'll sell better than
  Cherry Garcia!

Benjamin: Wonderful, Jerr.

Jerry: I think I'll call it Dali Lamb-a Chunk.

    The doors burst open.  Leland swaggered in, grinning, and started to sing.
"You'll be swell!  You'll be great!  Gonna have the whole world on a plate!..."

Ben: Leland's still in shock.  Thinks he's Ethel Merman.

Leland: Everything coming up roses!

    The doors burst open.  Catherine stormed angrily into the room.

Ben: Aren't you dead?

Catherine: Death is irrelevant.  Ben, why did you lie to me!

Benjamin: Everything has transpired according to my design. Your friends at the
mill are walking into a trap!  Soon Ghostwood will be complete, and we will 
have the ultimate power in the universe.  Prime real estate!

Catherine: You're mad.  Mad I say!

Benjamin: Ah!  Finally our own turf!  Once you're a Jet, you're a Jet all the 
way!  Me and Riff will rumble the Bookhouse Boys, and then Maria can return 
from that convent in Switzerland.

Leland:[sings] There's a place for us!  A special place for us!

Catherine: But Riff died years ago.

Ben: Just his career.  Don't you get it?  NOBODY'S dead!  They're all in comas,
  pretending.

Leland: Coma, Coma, Coma, Coma, Coma Chameleon!

Catherine: But Jacques Renault is dead.  We saw him flatline.

Ben: Nope.  You know where he is now?  He's with George C. Scott pitching some
sort of undersea car he invented.

    The doors burst open.  A short man wearing a raincoat and holding a cigar
entered.  Ben scowled.  "Now what, Lieutenant?"

    "I'm sorry to keep bothering you like this, Mr. Horne, but you know, 
something been troubling me about this case."

    "And what's that, Lieutenant."

    "Well, Agent Cooper was shot with a silenced automatic.  We know that
because the room service guy--he didn't hear nuthin' that night.  Now you
can't just walk into a store and pick up a silencer, so we figure this guy's
a pro.  But then, instead of making sure Cooper's dead, like with a shot to
the back of the head..."

    Catherine gasped. "Ohh!"

    "I'm sorry, ma'am.  Didn't mean to disturb you.  Where was I?  Oh.  Why
didn't he make sure Agent Cooper was dead?"  The lieutenant spread his arms
wide.  "I just can't figure it."

    Ben puffed on his cigar, and thought for a moment.  "Maybe he never 
intended to kill Agent Cooper.  He could have known that Cooper would be
wearing a bullet-proof vest, and intentionally shot him in the torso."

    The lieutenant slapped his head.  "You know, sir, that never occurred to 
me.  I must be getting old.  That's gotta be it.  Thanks a lot, sir.  You've
been a big help.  Too bad about the Emmys.  My wife just loves that Bakula
fella.  She gave me hell.  Well, goodbye, sir."  He waved and left the room.
--
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In article <Oct.12.04.51.24.1990.27026@romulus.rutgers.edu> webster@romulus.rutgers.edu (John Clayton Webster) writes:
> >Unfortunately, a very strong spolier is required here.  My fanatical
> >friends and I honestly believe this explaination to be true....
Spoilers

> >[vampire theory deleted]

As much as I hate to admit it, it's one of the best I've heard.  (In
fact, I once described TP to someone as "Dark Shadows meets Dynasty").

The vampire theory has some advantages:

    It ties together the supernatural elements in a classical
    way instead of a yuppy-90's way.

    The killer could be anybody.  Coop is looking for clues in
    all the wrong places.
    
    There could be more than one killer (already a pet theory of mine).

    After they "solve" Laura's murder they still have serious occult
    problem on their hands therefore allowing the series to continue.
    We can then start wondering who's "one of them" and who's not.  (Hint:
    rememeber the scene with Josie smearing blood on her lips).

    We can have a end-of-season cliff hanger where Coop becomes
    "one of them".  (Ooops.  that's been done :-)

Oh well, thanks for the ideas.

p.s.  assuming they are paralleling classic story lines, then it is
almost certain that Doc Hayward is "one of them".

-- Scott Amspoker Basis International, Albuquerque, NM (505) 345-5232 unmvax.cs.unm.edu!bbx!bbxsda!scott

I just wanted to post a guess at the idenity of the dead person with the
"B" under their fingernail that has been hinted at being found in
tommorrow night's episode.  I guess ..... Bob Lydecker

Just a couple things about episode 2-2:

$5,000/month is an unreasonable incentive.  I don't get it.  Life
support systems for a Leo-vegetable would come very close to eating
that disability money right up.

Also, those barbershop guys -- they weren't singing; they were
smoking cigarettes!  What about that?  Yes, we do hear barbershop
music in the background, but those guys aren't producing it.  I
watched them very closely and each guy was puffing and
extinguishing.  Strange . . .

In article <12473@chaph.usc.edu> luisr@alcor.usc.edu (Luis Ramos) writes:
> >The BOB that Leland saw in his childhood could have been the 
> >father of the current BOB. Didn't the kid magician look like
> >David Lynch?

Yeah, odd, that.  But let's move on to more important matters, like
how the song "Mairzy Doats" goes, or what the kid is saying in French.

#define BEGGING_MODE_ON

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, people.  READ the responses to an article before
responding yourself.  Yes, I *know* that there are a lot of responses to
most of the articles, but blindly posting another one makes it worse for
*all* of us.  (I'm not directing this at Luis, since for all I know he's
being facetious, but this trend seems to be growing exponentially as we
progress into the second season.)  There is getting to be so much noise
here that the truly interesting and informational articles are getting lost
in the Mairzy Doats/Lynch's kid/French translation babble.  Just in case
there's anybody out there who HASN'T seen it 20 times:

1.  The song is "Mairzy Doats".  It is pronounced like "Mares eat oats."  You
can guess the rest.

2.  The kid look like Lynch because it's his son.  Genetics is a marvelous
thing.

3.  Nobody is positive what the kid is saying in French, but everyone posting
their translations 10 times isn't going to clear it up.  If the closed
caption is to be believed, it translates to, I believe, "I have a solitary
soul".  (Correct?)

Now, can we stop pointing these out for the n-th time?

#define BEGGING_MODE_OFF

 -Chris

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In article <Oct.12.04.51.24.1990.27026@romulus.rutgers.edu> webster@romulus.rutgers.edu (John Clayton Webster) writes:
> >
> >Unfortunately, a very strong spolier is required here.  
[vampire theory]

No need for a spoiler warning, we've seen vampire, demon, and evil spirit 
theories before.  I've accepted that BOB is some form of the above long ago, 
and all my theories have operated under this assumption.   The question is, 
who is BOB, or who is BOB inside, or is BOB just BOB? :)

> >BOB exists.  BOB has existed for a very long time.
> >Leland knew of him when he was quite young. He looks the same. 
> >BOB is not and never has been a hallucination.
> >BOB was actually there.

[there are going to be diary spoilers throughout this post]
This is my belief too.  I think BOB can only actively do things
in this world at night.  ("things" might include possession,
taking people to the other strange world, etc...)
He primarily influences people during their dreams.
It's unclear if BOB is only a spirit, capable of possessing others,
or if BOB has his own physical body in this world.

He can appear to people in visions any old time though, like
what maddy sees, sarah sees, Laura sees after her abortion,
when she goes back on drugs, etc...  I don't think BOB is actually
there when this happens, but is projecting his image.

> >BOB isn't the result of something weak about the people that 'see'
> >him. (i.e. drugs, severe stress, etc) Their weaknesses are the result
> >of BOB.

BOB is expert on preying on peoples fears and weaknesses, and does
create some new ones.  (c.f. the entire diary).  BOB indirectly inspires 
Laura to do sick, bad things, by psychologically tormenting her.
BOB makes her feel so bad, she feels like she belongs doing bad things.
BOB also does perverted things and gives her perverted ideas beyond the 
norm for someone her age (starting at age 12 or earlier).
Laura also is a bad influence on others, spreading evil in her own right.

> >BOB lives in a different world, in a parallel world, spirtual world,
> ><INSERT QUOTES>. 

Absolutely, positively.  He can come and go between them at night.
The connection between this strange world and the woods is >extreme<.
I can't emphasize that enough.  There is a portal to this world
in Laura's window.  Perhaps Maddie found one downstairs too.
I think this other world is smack in the middle of the woods.
(where jacques cabin, the log lady, pearl lakes are)

> >[one armed mike]

I just posted an extensive review of mike, so I won't repeat it.
I do think there is a strong connection between BOB and Mike of
some kind.  They know each other on some level. (I don't think BOB = mike)

> >One (of many) running themes in Twin Peaks is the presence of Owls.
> >They are mentioned in many cryptic seemingly random statements.  The
> >best is perhaps provided by the jolly green giant. The owls are not
> >what they seem. They aren't. Read some shapechanging lore on owls.

"Owls are sometimes big"  -- log lady.  I don't think it's a matter
of shapechanging myself.  I think a spirit is wandering from possessing
an owl to a human.  I guess that sounds pretty hokey huh. :)

> >The owls are vampires.

They're something, that's for sure.  I think something that is important
to mention is that we should assume there is more than one weird "owl".
Perhaps the other owls are minions of BOB.  Candidates for Minions
of BOB might include One armed Mike, Sarah, Ben, Jerry, Leland, more 
recently Maddy, and less likely Donna.  We have reason to suspect that 
Laura's dream spirit hangs out in owls sometimes. (hoot hoot, pg. 7) 
Owls's told BOB about some sick things Laura did in the woods.  I 
personally don't think any of them are good, and I don't think the 
giant is an owl.  (giant is a tree, see page 47)  An owl nearly kills Laura.  
The owls are the evil in the woods.

> >BOB cuts Laura
> >Laura died of a lack of blood.
> >Laura was not a "full" vampire.
> >Laura KNEW she was going to die.

The cuts were never on her neck.  They were between her legs and 
inside her mouth.  (except when she dies, when they are all over)
Though I originally thought of BOB as a vampire, I now think of him 
in terms of demonic possession.  The vampire idea is an excellent one, 
and it works, but your evidence points just as well to my demonic 
possession thinking.  The differences are very trivial though...
We clearly are thinking along the same lines.

Laura did know she was going to die.  My sense is that Laura
had some kind of plan that no one knew about, not even her diary. :)
She was planning some kind of deal, or confrontation with BOB.
My wild guess is that Laura did this right before BOB was almost
finished making Laura a good host for him.  Perhaps it
was a trade, or a final challenge to BOB.  (diary mentions both)


> >Evil in the woods. The secret society. All the Mysticism.
> >I'm barely scratching the surface.
> >
> >I don't know the whole scoop on the plastiwrapped corpse, or the reason
> >for letters hidden away under fingernails. 

Sounds more demonic than vampiric to me.  Same w/ "fire walk with me", 
the appearance and words of BOB, and Laura's perception of what is happening
to her.  I won't catalogue all the examples.  Again our ideas are more
similar than disparate though.

> >Perhaps it is a cult of vampires.  Perhaps it is just a vampire's helper 
> >setting things up...
> >
> >Wouldn't it be sweet if Ben and Jerry were vampires? I suppose a more
> >likely minion would be Josie, eh?

If it's demonic possession, the idea that BOB was inside the 3rd man
against their will, and possibly without their knowledge, then to me 
it is Leland.  (I have tonnnns of evidence for this)

If the 3rd man, the one BOB is in or turns into, knows who BOB is and 
has full knowledge and cooperation with his actions then BOB = Ben.
(lots of evidence for Ben too)

Or BOB could just be BOB.

Michael Kaye    horny@ucscb.ucsc.edu  Bursting my jeans for the good of mankind
Dad took off all of his clothes and shouted, "It's a dream... Fucking
relax would you? ... So your mother saw photos of you licking the
little privates of other women.  It appeared in these photos that you
were enjoying yourself.  Is this true?"
  I've never been more afraid than I am this very minute.
  I didn't even realize I was sleeping when that was written... was I?
  Shit this is too weird, just a little too weird.
  Was BOB here?  Was BOB inside...
  I won't even think it.          --Laura

> >
> >3)  Lucy has been impregnated by a space alien, just like on "Star
> >Trek:  The Next Generation" when Counselor Troi was impregnated by
> >a glowing ball of light.

Actually, you may have something there.  Lynch is just weird enough to incorp-
orate that UFO storyline into her pregnancy.  Does anyone else suspect he
reads the tabloids?

--Lucia

   The LA Times story about Bob possibly having handcuffs on made me think that
if he were trying to save Laura (or at least not trying to kill her), there's
an obvious other killer present -- Ronnette.
   I don't know if I buy this, but here are a few ideas:
   *  Bob is such an obvious killer at this point that it can't be him.
   *  Ronette has had sex with Laura -- could she have gotten jealous or
   carried away during their "traincar games"?
   *  We see only one unambiguous act of violence by Bob, when he hits someone
   with the hammer. From the medical reports we know that Laura died from
   many small wounds, while Ronette was hit with a blunt object.
   * Bob's cry at the end seems much more anguished than triumphant.
   None of this has to make Bob into a "good guy," indeed given Laura's tastes
he probably isn't a normal kind of guy. On the other hand he might not be
the actual murderer.

  David G. Durand

  O_o
=(  )=   Ack!
   U

In article <1990Oct12.182538.11573@morrow.stanford.edu> andy@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Andy Michael USGS Guest) writes:
> >In article <1990Oct12.163940.14501@cs.umn.edu> wsmith@cs.umn.edu (Warren Smith [Randy]) writes:
>> >>[andy theory]
> >
> >The problem with the Andy theories is that every possible clue about
> >Andy can (or has been) explained away with much easier explanations.

This is true with all of the TP evidence implicating someone.
Things start pointing more and more in a certain direction after 
awhile though.  It gets harder and harder to explain some things, 
and more and more pieces imply something, if only through symbolism.
The scenes with Leland begging for someone to dance with him,
breaking a picture with blood on his hands could be symbolic
and imply something, or he could just be a grieving father.

I just posted a long article on why I think spirits are
involved in TP.  I can see ways all the evidence that made 
me arrive at that conclusion could be explained away by more 
mundane things.  It just has become progressively harder to 
explain away as the show has progressed.  (it still is possible...)
This goes for everything in the diary too.  It's all implication
and feelings.  We don't know if BOB is real, Laura herself
questions it.  Besides the diary all we have is visions and dreams.
(I do believe BOB exists, if only in spirit form)
I could ramble on, but I'll spare yall.  You have alot of fascinating
postings on Mairzy Doats, what that kid said, why does he look like lynch,
and that type of thing to catch up on.  You've only heard the answers
and questions a few dozen times yet.

Michael Kaye    horny@ucscb.ucsc.edu

 scott@bbxsda.UUCP (Scott Amspoker)
 elf@dgp.toronto.edu (Eugene Fiume) 

[comments about song deleted]

What WAS the deal with this?
Others have pointed out:
1)  James' weird falsetto
2) Stooopid lyrics, unnecessary reverb, general shoddy artistic quality
3) Bass & drums coming out of thin air
4) Why were they doing this anyway?
5) The magic lipstick
And I'd like to add:
5) How come we kept hearing Donna singing for a few seconds AFTER
she ran away?

Jespah

No one else seems to have mentioned this, but I may have missed it.  (The
volume on this newsgroup is incredible.)

In episode two, when Donna is doing Laura's Meals on Wheels route, she calls
the old lady "Mrs. Truman".  At least, that's what I think I heard.  That
might make her Sheriff Truman's mother.  And the little Lynch, her grandson,
could be Truman's son.  Even if they're just family, it seems that normal
old Harry has some pretty weird relatives.  And why isn't he feeding his
own mother?

Did anyone else hear this?

-- Laurie

In article <9139@milton.u.washington.edu> jespah@milton.u.washington.edu 
(Kathleen Hunt) writes:

[re: James, Maddy and Donna's song]

> >What WAS the deal with this?

Well you see, it's like this.  On cartoons, teenagers who solve mysteries
frequently have a band.  Indeed, teenagers on TV shows in general
tend to have bands.  The Brady Bunch had a band sometimes.  The Partridge
Family had a band.  Many cartoon shows such as "The Hardy Boys" (from the early
seventies, not the live-action show with Parker Stevenson) fell into
the "teenagers who solve mysteries who are in a band" category.  If
james and Maddy DO solve the mystery then BOB might well say:
"And I would have done it, if it hadn't been for those meddling
kids!!"  This makes perfect sense.

> >Others have pointed out:
> >1)  James' weird falsetto

He likes Frankie Valli (sp?)?  Makes sense for a kid seemingly stuck in the
fifties/early sixties.

> >2) Stooopid lyrics, unnecessary reverb, general shoddy artistic quality

Angelo Badalamenti likes reverb.  Shoddy?  I wouldn't say so.  I thought
it had a certain eerie charm.  Not exactly rock 'n' roll, but still...

> >3) Bass & drums coming out of thin air

Just for effect.  The role that music plays in the show is curious. Sometimes
the soundtrack music seems to come from radios (as with Shelley and Bobby on 
the last episode), performers (as in the Roadhouse sequence) etc.  It's
just part of the general surrealism.

> >4) Why were they doing this anyway?

Who, the characters or the creators?  The characters were doing it
because they felt like it.  They can't plot and scheme all day long.  
Dramatically, the purpose seemed to be as a kind of weird lead-in to 
Killer Bob's appearance.

> >5) The magic lipstick

I don't know what this is in reference to.

> >And I'd like to add:
> >5) How come we kept hearing Donna singing for a few seconds AFTER
> >she ran away?

Maddy has a loud voice?  I dunno.  Sounded like Julee Cruise anyway.
Cheap lip-sync is always a risk.

I don't know why some people hated this sequence so much.  I think 
James, Donna and Maddy are, like I said, acting like the type of
cartoon characters on adventure shows that I used to love.  Time and time
again critics have pointed out that David Lynch's stuff has the feel of
a silly Hardy Boys-type adventure.  It does.  (I can just see the flames now.
"How dare you compare this Great Work of Art to the HARDY BOYS??").  No
really.  Think about it. Meddling kids, solving mysteries.  I used
to love stuff like that growing up.  David Lynch has taken this and
viewed it through his own peculiar lens and come up with one of the
many facets that make up the show.  Of course they have a band!

- Dan



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"Elvis was seated on the toilet, actually reading a religious book...when 
suddenly a terrible pain gripped him by his stomach and seized his heart with a
strangler's grip.  'Oh no, dear dear God,' he thought.  He couldn't move.  He 
couldn't get up.  He had to get up.  He must get up...That terrible pain, like 
swords of fire, jabbing, slitting, cutting into his stomach, and especially his
liver - it was impossible to bear...Suddenly the thought flashed through him: 
this must be like what Jesus suffered."
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I've been given conflicting information...to wit,

a) Twin Peaks is uplinked by satellite on Saturday afternoon,
b) Twin Peaks is NOT uplinked by satellite on Saturday afternoon.

Can someone please tell me if TP *is*, in fact, uplinked? I'm able to watch the
New York feed at 7pm Left-Coast time, but I'd not mind getting TP even sooner.

Also, I'm STILL looking for an FTP site for TP GIF files...any clues?

While I'm here, a thought/theory: Could the 'house' Major Briggs spoke of be a
Twin Peaks metaphor? (I know, I know...too much symbolism...but this DID come
from a vision, and visions are SUPPOSED to be chock full o' symbols.) Someone
mentioned Mark Frost speaking of a 'doorway' to another part of TP...Briggs 
spoke of 'added rooms, so seamlessly added to the house that you couldn't 
distinguish them from the orignal house' (heavily paraphrased...I haven't gone
back to check the exact quote). [Sorry...in case anyone is confused...the
reference is the 9/30 premiere, Major Briggs' conversation with Bobby.]
Just a thought...could the 'original' house be TP in a 'natural' state, and the
'additions' to the house be the 'evil plane'?

Andy shot the mynah bird 'cause he knew he'd talk.
Lucy is actually Diane from Brandeis, with a whole lot of plastic surgery and
a new attitude.
Dale Cooper actually hates coffee, but is just tryin' to be sociable.

Oops...another semi-serious thing to ponder ('semi' because it IS, after all,
a freakin' TELEVISION SHOW): Is there something in Albert's past that made him
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO hostile? I think psychology-types will back me up on this...you
don't grow that way in a happy, harmonious, Cleaver household. Will BOB be able
to play on whatever lurks in Albert's shadows? (Long shot speculation: if
Albert (Rosenfield) *is* Jewish, was he persecuted as a child and will we see
BOB [or anyone else, for that matter] use this to get to Albert?)
--
Disclaimer: After she told me where she'd been, I felt bad. I should have never
have said those things. Somehow I feel as if I'll never find a way to make it
up to her. Some assembly required. Her father knew what I meant, but wouldn't
say a thing to her. Apply to infected area. I watched her with him, and I just
wanted to scream. Void where prohibited. The way she held him, the way she 
touched him, the way he touched HER. Your mileage may vary. It was like a knife
driven with slow, evil deliberation deep into my soul. Sometimes ya gotta break
the rules. She could feel my pain as a tree feels the wind...but she didn't
bend. Contents packed by weight, not by volume. The Surgeon General is both a
surgeon and a general -- so watch it.

Hello, here is a macified snd. sample of Albert commenting on
"Senor Drool Cup" sorry its been so long between samples, been a
busy week around hear. Sample is binhexed and Stuffed.

Doug Dulmage


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In article <1990Oct9.225229.7108@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> fal20643@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Capt. Frank A. Lauro) writes:
> >} >Given that the concept of a "split personality" was invented by 
> >} >Hollywood and does not exist in real life, it almost seems rather 
> >} >pointless to speculate on who has one and why.....
> >You obviously know nothing about abnormal psychology.  

Oh?  Obviously I know enough about abnormal psychology to know that 
what the public calls a "split personality" or "dual nature" simply
does not exist.  A number of people have described Laura has having
a "split personality," ie, a good side (Laura) and an evil or dark
side (BOB) and that that condition has no basis in reality.  

> > Multiple personality 
> >disorder is a very rare neurosis, but it most certainly does exist outside
> >Hollywood 

Indeed.  But I didn't say MPD doesn't exist -- I said the "split 
personality" does not exist.  Furthermore, I doubt very much whether 
Laura is suffering from MPD since persons with that disorder almost 
always have considerably more than just -two- personalities. 

Btw, there's an interesting analysis of MI/psychiatrists in movies
in either the January or February 1988 issue of the American Jour-
nal of Psychiatry.

Eric Olson <fxejo@acad3.fai.alaska.edu> writes:

> >Well, I'll believe it when we hear that the semen implanted in the girls (was
> >there any?) was sterile.

What are you talking about?  He said he was sterile.  Obviously, the
sperm bank didn't want any more donations.  I don't believe they
impregnate women with untested and steril (dead or low counts of)
sperm.

Dislclaimer: No, I'm not a doctor.  No, I'm not sterile.


Clay Webster