Season 2, Episode 02: Coma — October 06–12, 1990

Did anybody notice how the meals-on-wheels recipient woman's grandson (whew!)
looked so much like Lynch?  With his hair slicked back, and his suit.  Upon
checking the credits he turned out to be a Lynch, can't remember the exact
name.  This had to be on purpose...

neil herzinger  nh0n+@andrew.cmu.edu
Carnegie Mellon University - Pittsburgh, PA
"Eeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaannnnnnngh!" -Annoying Man

According to today's San Francisco Chronicle, the 10/6 episode of Twin Peaks
came in 68th in the ratings (for the week ending 10/7).

-- Jennifer

In article <14975@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> miyakekm@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Keith Miyake) writes:
> >
> >In either case, the original reason that this was brought up was to 
> >counter claims that Cooper *must* have been a real FBI agent because
> >he'd had $10,000 of the Bureau's money.   If you believe that Cooper
> >is only impersonating an FBI agent, you could easily believe that 
> >the money was confiscated from LP's safe deposit box.
> >
> >-Sho



If Cooper is impersonating an FBI agent, it's the most elaborate and 
complex scam I've ever heard of.  For one thing, he is able to get 
confidential government documents from FBI headquarters.  For another, 
Albert would have to be impersonating FBI personnel too.

--Barbara






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In some article Mark Miller writes:
> >... Lucy's character sure was put into a different light.
> >First, the dumbness not to let that call to Truman through - WE know
> >that was an important call (I'm betting it was Leland calling to say
> >he knew who BOB was). And then how she got preggers even though Andy's
> >equipment ain't working.

[mumble...quotes someone else about space aliens]

> >Geez ... I don't know about adding that bit. I suppose it's possible
> >that the Major's equipment just picked up on some heavy psychic
> >activity, but if this ends up being Plan 10 from Outer Space, I
> >think people will be really pissed off.

damn, i think i'd be more than a little concerned if my "equipment" 
picked up "heavy psychic activity." i mean men *do* get led astray
by their gear, but psychic activity *is* a bit much.  the major 
seems rather calm about this...and just how do you spool *that* to 
a printer...i think you are off the track.

seriously, all lynch is doing in this scene is saying "the major 
had a message that he wanted to deliver to cooper, but didn't want
cooper to ask any questions about where the message came from".  heck
for all we know, the major's job is picking latrines in a classified 
installation.  Cooper as an FBI agent does not necessarily have a 
clearance of any sort...so if the major won't tell his son what he
does for a living (i mean, listening to space chatter is pretty 
innocuous...) why the heck would he tell cooper?  the major does not
strike me as the security risk type...  so what does the major do to
deliver the message?  he makes up a bogus job (space-ear) and creates
a bogus document with the text of the message imbedded in it...cooper
acts naturally, he recognizes the message, and doesn't ask questions.
somebody is "reminding" cooper of this message.

i kind of buy into the theory that "the owls are not what they seem"
actually refers to people in the woods signalling to each other by
hooting.  i would also link the giant into this group.  why?...

imagine that besides the bullet wound, cooper has sustained a mild
concussion--he wasn't in the hospital all that long, and the wound
was the clear injury, so it might have been missed...

a wound serious enough to incapacitate you to the point that
you can't seek help on your own is also serious enough to keep
you in the hospital for more than 8 hrs...

a flesh wound in conjunction with a concussion would probably
wipe you out for a few hours, but you'ld probably be pretty
functional in the morning...but you could be subject to
fainting spells.

cooper could (and must have) hit his head on the floor after
being shot, we watched him regain consciousness...

lynch is yanking our chain a little.  the scene with the giant is
neither a dream or a vision, but rather it is an experience that cooper
is having while on the edge of losing consciousness.  as cooper "wakes",
the giant seems to fade in (and so do the lights), as he passes out,
the giant fades out with the lights.  we know the giant is physically
real because we see him take cooper's ring...  the same occurs for the
second appearance of the giant, but this time cooper is asleep--the giant
is shown before cooper is awake, and cooper awakes to the lights (which
to him "fade in").  As for the flash of light as the giant disappears,
my guess is that cooper has a "glitch" due to his concussion, and passes
out.  

lynch delivers this imagery in the "third person", or as a dream cooper
has of the experience.  thus we don't see it all out of cooper's eyes,
but as a camera in the room, as cooper is trying to recollect what he
experienced.

simply stated, the giant just walked into the room and walked out,
but we don't ever see that because cooper never saw it.  

if this is what lynch is doing, it is a masterpiece of delivery.
then again, overly analyzing these twin peaks episodes is a hazard
beyond all imagining...enjoy them...but i expect that lynch will have
a resolution to all this that is firmly rooted in reality, so i'm striving
to justify these things without star trek or voodoo tie ins.

> >And I guess Shelly and Bobby will live of Leo's insurance and "hang
> >donuts from his ears". Ain't young love wonderful?

i'm looking forward to seeing Leo regain consciousness with donuts
hanging on his ears.  

> >I think Leland's reaction to BOB's picture, and Ronnette's recollection
> >kind of let Leland off the hook. Which doesn't make him any more sane.
> >Maybe it's Coop's ex-partner. Sheesh what a mess.

no way it's cooper's ex-partner, cooper would have recognized him from
his dreams/visions of BOB.  Cooper's ex-partner is the next major story
line...

contrary to popular opinion, i think laura's murder is nearing a solution.
i think leland is out of the picture, as are leo, jacques, bobby and shelly
(leo *will* wake up with donuts hanging on his ears in some later episode).
ben and jerry are both slippery characters but i don't think they are the 
ones.  next week's preview showed the OAM slumped in a latrine "hey, Andy
what's that smell?" "it the OAM!" "hey, Lucy? how did the OEM get in the
police latrine?" "oh, he's been waiting here for two days, and starved to
death..."

~spass
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In some article Jespah writes:
> > katefans@world.std.com (Chris'n'Vickie of Chicago) writes:
> >*3) Ok, so who's Lucy been sleeping with?
> >*(long, admirably complete list deleted)
> >
> >You forgot some possibilities:
> >3)  Lucy has been impregnated by a space alien, just like on "Star
> >Trek:  The Next Generation" when Counselor Troi was impregnated by
> >a glowing ball of light.

wrong, we already know this could only have been cooper.  we would have
seen the light.  cooper is pregnant.

> >5)  Lucy's lab results were mixed up at the hospital -- actually, it
> >is Donna/Maddy/Norma/Shelly/etc. who is pregnant.

Lucy's lab results got switched with cooper's.

~spass


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In some article John Hallyburton writes:
-The killer is not Leland.  Logic as follows:  Theresa Banks was killed
-elsewhere in the state.  Nobody in Twin Peaks would commit a second similar
-crime that close to home.  

huh?  and why wouldn't they?

-Of course if you postulate mental illness then
-anybody can be guilty...

duh...i'll buy that.

-"Without chemicals he points" is a reference to Leo.  Logic as follows:
-"Smiling bag" refers to Jacques as we have seen, "Owls" are likely a
-reference to Killer Bob given the owlface in Cooper's dream.  It would
-make sense to identify the 3rd of 3 men involved with Laura the night
-of her death.  This is all the giant's way of telling Cooper the giant
-knows who is involved, and we can expect to see further clarifying (?)
-clues in the future.

um...just how did you tie Leo into this?  you tied jacques, and loosly 
tied BOB in, but there is no underlying logic in the above paragraph...
did you forget to write something...or am i clueless?

-Maybe Audrey's fan club should form a vigilante posse and rescue her
-from OEJs.

i'm in.

~spass

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In article <1990Oct10.183408.25351@Neon.Stanford.EDU>, anderson@Neon.Stanford.EDU (Jennifer-Ann Anderson) writes:
> > According to today's San Francisco Chronicle, the 10/6 episode of Twin Peaks
> > came in 68th in the ratings (for the week ending 10/7).

Then we are very likely looking at the last year of this program. Unless...

I don't think the ratings are that accurate, in term of the show's worth to
the network. I've heard TP has "good demographics", that, although it
consistently loses the ratings war overall, it wins in the young person's
division.

I don't know, really. It just seems that the ratings are a contradiction to
the programs obvious popularity, judging from this group's sudden explosion
and the sales of TP goodies.

Suffice it to say that if ABC decides it doesn't want it anymore, syndication
companies will be lined up at the door of Lynch/Frost.

---------- Ryan Mathews
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In article <1990Oct10.151758@cs.Buffalo.EDU> mathews@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Ryan D Mathews) writes:
> >
> >In article <1990Oct10.183408.25351@Neon.Stanford.EDU>, anderson@Neon.Stanford.EDU (Jennifer-Ann Anderson) writes:
>> >> According to today's San Francisco Chronicle, the 10/6 episode of Twin Peaks
>> >> came in 68th in the ratings (for the week ending 10/7).
> >
> >Then we are very likely looking at the last year of this program. Unless...

I heard today on the radio that ABC is contemplating moving Twin Peaks to
Wednesday nights, which are currently rather weak (can you say "Cop Rock"?).
I wouldn't really care too much for this change (I LIKE being able to look
forward to Saturday nights for more than the regular reason!), but if it
helps the show in the ratings, I guess I can't complain; better TP at a
bad time than none at all!

> >I don't think the ratings are that accurate, in term of the show's worth to
> >the network. I've heard TP has "good demographics", that, although it
> >consistently loses the ratings war overall, it wins in the young person's
> >division.

I heard the same thing, and that the show does well in the 18-49 age
group, too.  By the way, the same TV critic who I heard this from thinks
that whats-his-name who wrote the "BOB had handcuffs" piece is just a bit
silly, too.  :-)

Also interesting was the comment made that a lot of TP viewers seem to be
former Trekkies.  The critic said this wasn't necessarily the case, but
that they are certainly as fervent in their dedication, and that TP
generates more emotional mail to him than any other show... no surprise
there!

> >Suffice it to say that if ABC decides it doesn't want it anymore, syndication
> >companies will be lined up at the door of Lynch/Frost.

Ick.  I'd rather see a mini-series or a movie (someone said Frost had said
they'd make a movie if the second season wasn't picked up -- was this a
made-for-TV movie, or a motion picture?).

 -Chris
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In article <2844@jaytee.East.Sun.COM>, msmiller@gonzoville.Eng.Sun.COM (Mark Miller) writes...
<In article <39395@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU>, pjg@acsu.buffalo.edu (Paul
<Graham) writes:
<|>nope we don't want any creamed corn here.
< 
<Did that kid look a bit Eraserhead-ish or what?
< 

That kid looked exactly like a miniature David Lynch!

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In article <90281.223931SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> SML108@psuvm.psu.edu (Scott 
the Great) writes:
> > If you ask me, all the events in Twin Peaks happened several months before 
> > the events in _The Hidden_, and therefore Special Agent Cooper will soon be 
> > killed in a forest fire and his body will be taken over by the giant.

Sorry, it was McLachlan's _friend_, the _real_ FBI agent, who was killed 
in the forest fire mentioned in "The Hidden".  The person with McLachlan's body (not an FBI agent) "disappeared"...

(Great movie, by the way.  I think it's got to be a must-see for Twin 
Peaks fans...)

--
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In article <30691@netnews.upenn.edu>, hafken@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (David Hafken) writes...
<Just a quick question for those of you with good memories:  was it mentioned
<last season that Bobby had killed someone in the past?  Or was it Leo they
<were talking about?  Does anyone know which episode # this was mentioned.
<Thanks.
< 

I just got through watching the 1st season opener again and James tells
Donna that the night Laura was killed she came to see him and told him
about a death and that "Bobby" was the killer. At the time it could be
assumed by James that it was boyfriend Bobby she was talking about, but
now I believe he probably misunderstood and Laura was actually talking
about BOB!

In that same scene James mentions that Laura was a "different person"
but that for a few moments the "old Laura" was there and her eyes were
clear and she was pleading for help. Sounds to me like the current theory
about Laura being possessed by "BOB" was there right from the start!

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In article <7630@darkstar.ucsc.edu> horny@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Michael Kaye) writes:

> >Laura says she has to tell the world about Benjamin after leaving OEJ, 
> >this could well have something to do with her death.

I think she meant she has to tell the world about Ben being the owner
of OEJ. We now know that Laura knew Ben was the owner.
    
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In article <kb4mc4W00Vpg0cMG5=@andrew.cmu.edu> jh6g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason F. Harvey) writes:
>> >>1) In the closing scene of the opener, Bob of the grey hair was
> >  >  clearly wearing _handcuffs_.  Also, Bob was not holding any weapon. 
> >If he was wearing handcuffs, then it's safe to assume that he has
> >escaped from someplace.  Didn't Cooper's ex-partner escape?  Hmmmmmmmmmm.

I think that Cooper would be able to recognize his own partner.

After all, he did see killer Bob in his vision clear enough
to have a sketch made from his description of Bob.  If he
recognized Bob as his partner, don't you think he would
at least have told Diane??

hiya-

i am about to figure out how to use macrecorder and if it isn't too premature,
thought i might ask for suggestions for tp sounds to sample.
i already plan to record a couple from last weeks episode--
"Marshmellows!  Ben!  Get the hickory sticks!"
and
"Sometimes things happen just like this... <snap>"

Are there any other sounds anyone wants?  I'm not guaranteeing anything, but
I'll try...
(also, if anyone has any good ones, like "I heard about you..." from senor
drool-cup, I'd be willing to trade....)

<sean>  scduncan@miavx1.bitnet

In article <kb4mc4W00Vpg0cMG5=@andrew.cmu.edu>, jh6g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason F. Harvey) writes:
|> >1) In the closing scene of the opener, Bob of the grey hair was
|>   >  clearly wearing _handcuffs_.  Also, Bob was not holding any weapon. 
|>   >  This may enflame the Truman People out there.
|> 
|> If he was wearing handcuffs, then it's safe to assume that he has
|> escaped from someplace.  Didn't Cooper's ex-partner escape?  Hmmmmmmmmmm.
|> 
|> -JHarvey
|> "I feel like my lips are taped to the tailpipe of a bus."

This is the second post I've seen that suggests that Bob might be
Cooper's ex-partner.  If he is, wouldn't Cooper have recognized
him as being his ex-partner in his dream and in the police sketch?

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In article <jgp.655547479@rutabaga> jgp@rutabaga.Rational.COM (Jim Pellmann) writes:
> >- Since many character names are taken from other sources, has anyone

Is'nt Lucy Moran the name of the girl in Conan-Doyle's The Speckled Band? I
think Watson married her (sorry, I think he married Mary something in the Sign
of Four).



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In article <8942@milton.u.washington.edu> howells@earth.arc.nasa.gov writes:
> >That kid looked exactly like a miniature David Lynch!
> >howells@earth.arc.nasa.gov 

aaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuuugggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ok, one more time....

The kid bore a striking resemblance to David Lynch because he is David Lynch's
young son.
The kid bore a striking resemblance to David Lynch because he is David Lynch's
young son.
The kid bore a striking resemblance to David Lynch because he is David Lynch's
young son.
The kid bore a striking resemblance to David Lynch because he is David Lynch's
young son.
The kid bore a striking resemblance to David Lynch because he is David Lynch's
young son.
The kid bore a striking resemblance to David Lynch because he is David Lynch's
young son.
The kid bore a striking resemblance to David Lynch because he is David Lynch's
young son.


Oh, wait, I'm responding to a post from nasa.gov...


/a123/j348/k927/The boy magician/k889/k455/r213/w289/...
/t876/w927/u837/was portrayed by/u923/k625/u820/q283/...
/u738/p892/m823/David Lynch's   /o381/f278/a312/o298/...
/o910/b929/f152/young son       /c167/t721/i928/m817/...

Now, can we get past this particular puzzle?

chaz
 

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In article <1990Oct10.195748.15457@zip.eecs.umich.edu> chrisl@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Chris Lang) writes:
>> >>Suffice it to say that if ABC decides it doesn't want it anymore, syndication
>> >>companies will be lined up at the door of Lynch/Frost.
> >
> >Ick.

What's so wrong with syndication companies?  ST:TNG seems to be doing fine via
that route.

chaz.


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In article <1990Oct10.092934.1@acad3.fai.alaska.edu> fxejo@acad3.fai.alaska.edu (Eric Olson) writes:
> >Lynch didn't think he needed to spell out TRUMAN now that we've all figured it
> >out.  Now he's going to tell us that Truman is Bob, with the B.
> >
> >No TRouBle.
> >-- 
> >Eric Olson <fxejo@acad3.fai.alaska.edu> Gryphon Gang Fairbanks AK 99775

These Truman people just won't quit. :)  
The only possible evidence I saw for Truman was the letters,
and the idea that he was Coops evil twin.  The rest of it was so
contrived as to be laughable... "shh trrrr", (she was saying train)
holding up the picture of BOB to block her view of Truman, yeah right!
Well Hank is Truman's evil twin, and those letters could be spelling 
anything, like Robrt. heh.  Hey where is that guy who said no one would 
bet him that it wasn't Truman? This has got to be one of the weakest 
theories posted yet.  My Santa Claus theory is much better.

Michael Kaye     horny@ucscb.ucsc.edu

jh6g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason F. Harvey) writes:

>> >>1) In the closing scene of the opener, Bob of the grey hair was
> >  >  clearly wearing _handcuffs_.  Also, Bob was not holding any weapon. 
> >  >  This may enflame the Truman People out there.

> >If he was wearing handcuffs, then it's safe to assume that he has
> >escaped from someplace.  Didn't Cooper's ex-partner escape?  Hmmmmmmmmmm.

The fact that Bob was wearing handcuffs was disputed today in the "Dallas
Times Herald".

The writer of the article on Page 2 of Section E stated that he had been told
by another television critic that 1) Bob was doing CPR and 2) Bob was wearing
handcuffs.

The writer went on to say that he since rewatched the scene several times,
very slowly, and concluded that Bob was not wearing handcuffs and he probably
wasn't giving CPR.

He also mentioned that the other critic decided that Laura had listick on 
here teeth.

That sounds fallacious, since traces of lipstick surely wouldn't have washed 
off (I've heard tales of lipstick remaining attached to a body for several 
days despite vigourous scrubbing).

No one besides me and my close friends who watched to show seem to think
Bob was laughing, though.

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In article <gb4mFfe00Vpg0cMEow@andrew.cmu.edu>, jh6g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason F. Harvey) writes:

>> >>1) it looks like a another fingernail letter is found.  This one's a "B"
> >
> >Aha!  Do all you Truman killed Laura people still hold on to your theory?
  Yes, above all because I've emotionally invested too much in the theory
        Chris "Gosh I'm pitiful" hartleben

In article <1990Oct10.130018.17603@dg-rtp.dg.com> harvey@dg-rtp.dg.com (Michael Harvey) writes:
> >Andy is sterile, but Lucy's pregnancy does not necessarily mean than
> >she has cheated on him.  Remember, we're dealing with Lynch.
> >He may be setting us up for a virgin birth.  Or maybe the aliens
> >impregnated her.  ;-) ;-) ;-)



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In article <1990Oct10.130018.17603@dg-rtp.dg.com> harvey@dg-rtp.dg.com (Michael Harvey) writes:
> >Andy is sterile, but Lucy's pregnancy does not necessarily mean than
> >she has cheated on him.  Remember, we're dealing with Lynch.
> >He may be setting us up for a virgin birth.  Or maybe the aliens
> >impregnated her.  ;-) ;-) ;-)

 Has it crossed anyone elses mind that maybe Lucy was never pregnant in the
first place, that she told andy that to get him to make some kind of 
commitment, and got pissed off when it didn't work?
But, then again, this is Twin Peaks.

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In article <gb4mFfe00Vpg0cMEow@andrew.cmu.edu> jh6g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason F. Harvey) writes:
>> >>1) it looks like a another fingernail letter is found.  This one's a "B"
> >
> >Aha!  Do all you Truman killed Laura people still hold on to your theory?

Aha!  The killer is a columnist for The New Republic!

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In article <15931@bfmny0.BFM.COM> tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes:
> >In article <BLK.90Oct9123309@vanity.mitre.org> blk@mitre.org (Brian L. Kahn) writes:
[who would be surprising to jennifer lynch?]

> >Anyone for Doc Hayward as the killer?  He might have resented Laura's
> >bad influence on his daughter.

Doc Hayward is the most terrifying, yet conceivable choice for BOB.
I've eliminated out of hand all of the female characters for many reasons.
Since we're talking about Jennifer Lynch I'll talk about this from a
secret diary perspective.  So don't give me a bad time about looking
at the diary so much this article. :)
Interesting things about Doc Hayward include

       1)  He oversaw the birth of Laura Palmer, knew her as she grew up.
       2)  Laura Palmer practically worshipped him.  He is 
           portrayed as being the most wholly good character in Twin
           Peaks  (Donna comes very close).
       3)  Dr. Hayward, along with Ben, press for the autopsy to be
           cut short.
       4)  (pg 357) "[the abortion doctor] shook my hand.  The rubber
           glove reminded me of something, was it BOB?"  --Laura
           (hey!  Was Leland wearing a rubber glove when he offed Jacques?)

Anyway #2 is mentioned several times in the diary, and is the reason
why I think of Doc Hayward is one of the most terrifying choices.
The idea of such an aparently good man doing all the horrible things
BOB does to Laura in the diary really makes me want to retch.  Even
more than the idea of her own father doing it to her.

Doc Hayward knew her and saw her regularly from birth... which fits 
with the idea of BOB.  Ben, Leland, and Doc are the main people who 
fit this criterion offhand.  (Ben favored Laura over her own Daughter,
buys her a horse, sings to her, etc...).  Jennifer Lynch knew the killer,
said that studying the diary might reveal the killer, so I think the
killer would have had more than a passing reference in the diary.
(Truman for instance gets no serious mention beyond being contacted
 about Laura's lost cat, and saying "poor truman" referring to Josie's
dark side. Yes I had to get that crack in about the truman theorists. :)

Dr. Hayward still is an extreme dark horse candidate, and I would
be utterly shocked if BOB was in him.  Yeesh the thought is terrifying.
I think Leland would have been just as surprising a choice to Jennifer
as Dr. Hayward though.  

uncle horny's BOB list:   1)leland  2) ben  3) dr. hayward

Michael Kaye   horny@ucscb.ucsc.edu

In article <15934@bfmny0.BFM.COM> tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes:
> >In article <1990Oct10.092934.1@acad3.fai.alaska.edu> fxejo@acad3.fai.alaska.edu (Eric Olson) writes:
> >
> >Assuming they really do find a 'B' under someone's fingernail next week --
> >
> > 1. Who?  We know from the promo that the One-Armed Man is lying in a
> >restroom booth.  Maybe he's dead and has the letter under his nail.  Or
> >maybe it's one of the hospitalized folks... Leo, Jacobi, or Ronette.
> >There are others in some kind of danger: obviously Audrey, and we
> >haven't heard from Catherine in quite a while.  But it's hard to believe
> >L&F would siphon off the dramatic momentum of Laura's death by killing
> >someone else we have an emotional investment in, such as Audrey.  More
> >likely it's someone we can bear to part with, like Leo or the OAM.
> >Maybe Ronette -- there's sure a motive, namely to keep her from talking.

You aren't considering people who have already kicked the bucket.
I think it's  *B* ernard Renault.  They haven't found his body yet,
it might just turn up.  It could be Jacques too, really! I'll post 
in a future article on One Armed Mike on how this could be accomplished.  
In order of likelyhood I'd say  Berard, OAM, Jacques.  I wouldn't be so 
positive that Audrey lives.  THAT would leave an impression.  Either that 
or having Audrey pressed into service at OEJ's.
(Hey if you think I'm sick, what about David Lynch??)

> > 2. Regardless -- what does 'T' 'R' 'B' mean?

Hum... How about roBeRT backwards, and they haven't found the E yet. heh.  
What's coops partners name again?  Windham *E*arl?  Heheh... (just kiddin)

> >Oh well, it sure is fun to analyze the SPOILERS before air time :-)

I agree... :)

Michael Kaye   horny@ucscb.ucsc.edu

Is it that simple.The domino,the cousin, Horne brothers(owls).  Who knows

In article <8b4mY7K00VsnEHv20d@andrew.cmu.edu>, bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) writes...

} From next week's TV Guide:
[deleted]

You forgot one. In the "Highlights" sidebar on the page prior to the
channel chart, it mentions a new person coming on board. Michael Parks
will play a third Renault brother.

} 2.  Lucy has a rival for her affections;

Ah, you mean that Andy has a rival for Lucy's affections.

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Let's take a look at this guy.  

    o   We see him in the pilot, in an elevator before Coop meets Jacoby.
        Don't blink or you'll miss it.

    o   he appears in coops dream.  Introduces BOB in it, has a tatoo
        that reads BOB.  He takes his whole arm off.  Knows
        about travel between the two worlds of twin peaks.  Mike knows
        about BOB,  "his name is BOB" , and BOB knows about Mike too.
        "are you there Mike?".

    o   Runs away when Hawk pursues him in the hospital.  Why?  Hmm.
        Anyone have any fun guesses?  Before he escapes hawk, he 
        looks up.  Just before looking at the exit sign, he looks 
        at a sign that reads:
   
        OXYGEN STORAGE     <--------->         MORGUE

        it is unclear if he leaves through the exit, or into the morgue.
        Hawk checks the exit and sees nothing.
      
     o  I wonder if he was on the floor to tamper with the body in 
        the morgue.  Perhaps attempting to insert/remove the letter,
        or do something spiritual with it or just examine the body.
        Pretty wild speculation huh.  :)  He says he was there
        to visit Bob Lydecker in a coma, who got decked outside a 
        bar the night Laura died.  (I think that's right.)
        

     o  We see him in an (IMHO) extremely unconvincing interrogation
        at the motel.  He hesitates on most questions.  He says
        he was going, "ohh.... somewhere"  when he lost his arm
        in a car accident (uh huh yeah sure).  He says he was 
        selling PHARMACEUTICALS  (without chemicals he points?  I wonder).
        During a drug deal, Leo says he needs a new pair of shoes, 
        and this guy has got 'em.  I think he's a major drug connection.
        (authorities find a new boot with drugs at Leo's)

     o  Mike is attempting to talk with authorities.   (either without
        chemicals he points, or he's "ready now to speak".  Leland
        is probably the latter.)  I wonder what he'll say?  Perhaps
        he was filling all of Ben's departmental needs?  Or something
        about BOB?

     o  We see Mike in the preview, in severe pain in a bathroom stall.
        Is he without chemicals and hurting from withdrawal?
        Or is BOB terrorizing him?   Note that it could be both,
        since Laura found that drugs helped her deal with BOB.
        I didn't see any obvious wounds on Mike.

Unless BOB = One Armed Mike, there isn't mention of Mike in the diary.
Lets take a look at the idea of BOB hanging out inside Mike, even if
that wasn't the point of this post.  Mike probably will just lead us
to him.  It's possible I suppose, even if OAM had one arm and BOB had two.

Mike traveled around, it's more conceivable that he was in another 
part of the state than it is for some others.  As pointed out above 
Mike likely was a high level drug connection, this would connect him 
to leo/jacques.  He might have connections to fleshworld.  In an earlier
message I post why I think Theresa has a fleshworld connection,  
(from the secret diary)  this would connect Theresa, Laura, Leo, Jacques,
and Mike, justifying his appearance at both crimes.  Coops dream establishes 
a possible connection between BOB and mike.
Eh.  It could work.  I'll stick to Leland/Ben.  I DO think that there
is something very major up with Mike, in terms of his relationship
with drugs and especially BOB.  If you have the tapes, take a look
at that morgue/oxygen storage sign and let me know what you think.

Michael Kaye   horny@ucscb.ucsc.edu
"I knew that coke was a problem, but it was nothing next to BOB."  --Laura

In article <1990Oct10.195748.15457@zip.eecs.umich.edu> chrisl@dip.eecs.umich.edu (Chris Lang) writes:
> >I heard today on the radio that ABC is contemplating moving Twin Peaks to
> >Wednesday nights, which are currently rather weak (can you say "Cop Rock"?).
> >I wouldn't really care too much for this change (I LIKE being able to look
> >forward to Saturday nights for more than the regular reason!), but if it
> >helps the show in the ratings, I guess I can't complain; better TP at a
> >bad time than none at all!

Amen!

> >Also interesting was the comment made that a lot of TP viewers seem to be
> >former Trekkies.  The critic said this wasn't necessarily the case, but
> >that they are certainly as fervent in their dedication, and that TP
> >generates more emotional mail to him than any other show... no surprise
> >there!

I don't know... Twin Peaks taps into a vein of TV fanaticism very close to 
Trekkishness, but the shows are different enough that I'd doubt a dispro-
portionately large number of Trekkies are watching.  Soap operas, now, I
know lots of soap watchers who've caught on.  Although Twin Peaks is, I
would say, weirder than Star Trek ever was, and _way_ more demented than any
soap that ever was.  God, what a _damn_ good show!  (TV guide ad this week
for Saturday nights:  _Twin Peaks_:  Damn good TV--and hot, too!)

> >Ick.  I'd rather see a mini-series or a movie (someone said Frost had said
> >they'd make a movie if the second season wasn't picked up -- was this a
> >made-for-TV movie, or a motion picture?).

Made-for-TV movie, from everything I heard.  

> >Chris Lang   |   Univ. of Michigan Engineering   |   chrisl@eecs.umich.edu

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[^TP line fodder^]

T? R? B? Oh, no:

  bArt SIMPSON KILLED LAURA PALMER!!!!!!!!

(TP is strange enough that they should consider animated suspects....)

:-)

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Tonight's promo (10/10) is even more intersting:

1.  We see Cooper bending over something and saying: 

    "We better find the one armed man."

    (My bet is that they find Killer Bob *dead*)

In article <1990Oct10.050616.17143@athena.mit.edu> rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (Richard L. Carreiro) writes:

   2) I happened to turn away from the set, but it looks like there's a shot
      of James and Maddy kissing, though I'm not sure it was them.

Yes they do, and Donna is none to happy about it.  Also they show Donna at
the cemetary telling Laura that they didn't bury her deep enough.

-randy
-- Randy Welch Mail to : ...!ncar!scicom!bldr!randy or rwelch@du.edu Boulder, CO VOICE : 303-442-6717 "Unfortunately, life contains an unavoidable element of unpredictability" -David Lynch "The Angriest Dog in the World"

In article <1990Oct10.151758@cs.Buffalo.EDU> mathews@cs.Buffalo.EDU (Ryan D Mathews) writes:


   Suffice it to say that if ABC decides it doesn't want it anymore, syndication
   companies will be lined up at the door of Lynch/Frost.

   ---------- Ryan Mathews
Or go over to FOX... ( I can see it now :  "The home of The Simpsons &
Twin Peaks )

-randy

-- Randy Welch Mail to : ...!ncar!scicom!bldr!randy or rwelch@du.edu Boulder, CO VOICE : 303-442-6717 "Unfortunately, life contains an unavoidable element of unpredictability" -David Lynch "The Angriest Dog in the World"

From the Wednesday, Oct. 10 edition of the UCSD GUARDIAN:

"THE BORG KILLED LAURA PALMER"
* Why is an anti-social pastime so social? Why don't we 'get a life'?

By Jason Snell, News Editor

Laura Palmer is dead, wrapped in plastic. Why do I care? Why does anyone
care about this girl? I mean, she was a sexually promiscuous drug addict
homecoming queen girlfriend of the captain of the football team who was
having an affair with a biker.
Yet lots of people, including me, spend lots of time watching television,
and even treat it as a social event. People have come over to my house
just in order to watch ABC's bizarre "Twin Peaks" series. There's a guy at
Warren (college, one of UCSD's 5 residential colleges) who wants to borrow
a tape I have of the first 6 episodes, just so he can watch them again.
Why do I even have them on videotape in the first place? Well, it does
make for one hell of a conversation piece. At work, I've had conversations
with people (even some people I barely know) all about what happened on
this television show.
"It's just a television show!" is what William Shatner yelled at a
group of trekkies during a "Saturday Night Live" sketch a few years ago.
They're all just television shows, alternatives to getting a life.
Television is ridiculously antisocial. All you do is stare at a screen
for a while, and then turn it off. You don't usually talk to the people
watching it with you (if you're not watching it alone, that is), and you
usually don't even talk about the show later in general conversation.
But in the last two weeks, I've had so many different conversations
about television that it's starting to drive me crazy. Me, the guy who
did a high school literature project on "Gilligan's Island." I'm the guy
who remembers that Nipsey Russell, Fanny Flagg, Charles Nelson Reilly,
and Bret sommers were always guests on "Match Game '79." I still
remember the secret device that Space Patrolman Aiata used to turn into
Ultraman. (The Beta Capsule, of course. Come on, you knew that, didn't you?)
I used to watch television, enjoy it, and not try to force it on
others. I watched it by myself. I had a good time, and it gave me lots of
material to use at parties. (I just filled the last paragraph up with TV
references, and there are more where that came from.)
The social effect of singing the "Spider-Man" theme at some kind of
gathering is incredible. Everybody knows it. Not everybody will be able
to identify with you politically or socially, but we all know that
Spider-Man, Spider-Man, does whatever a spider can.
Now I watch television with people. In the last two weeks, I've watched
and discussed "Twin Peaks" with bunches of different people. I watched
"Star Trek: The Next Generation" with some friends, too. And we'd sit
sit there during these shows and actually make comments. It was sort of
like being antisocially social. You can mumble something like "What the
hell does David Lynch think he's doing?" or "Ah, Picard, you're in trouble
now," and people will understand you. They'll make comments about Killer
Bob is actually the manifestation of the evil in the Twin Peaks woods, and
I'll give it serious thought. Then, the next day, I'll pick up the Los
Angeles Times and read what Howard Rosenberg has to say about the show.
It's television as a social tool, kiddies. Watch some TV. It'll give you
the illusion of social interaction, but it's a lot less work. You can sit
there and discuss the metaphysical ramifications of Dale Cooper's vision of
the Giant or the aftermath of Jean-Luc Picard's torture at the hands of the
evil Borg. But you're still talking about >television<, not real life.
Then again, maybe it's easier that way. As I said before, television
is often the only thing that we all share. It's a common link betwene us,
something that we can all understand. We may understand "Doogie Howser,
M.D." more than we understand the friends sitting next to us watching TV
with us.
That's a shame, because people are far more interesting that television
programs. But if the only way that we find common ground is by talking about
television and watching it, well, at least it's common ground. At least it
causes some kind of interaction. I suppose that's better than sitting
in a room by yourself watching a glowing screen.
Hmm? What's that? Saturday night?
Sorry, I'm busy. Gotta watch some TV.
Wanna come? Bring popcorn.

-----

-- 
Jason Snell / jsnell@ucsd.edu / University of California, San Diego
"Sometimes you can't hear me because sometimes I'm in parentheses..."

The October LASER DISC NEWSLETTER mentions that the overseas version of
the TWIN PEAKS pilot (basically the American pilot with about 15 extra
minutes added that resolves the mystery) has been issued on LD in Japan.

It's catalog number NJL-35205, and the price is 4871 yen (currently about
$50-55). I assume that Sight & Sound and other Japanese disc importers
will be getting copies.

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In article <1990Oct10.151758@cs.Buffalo.EDU> mathews@cs.Buffalo.EDU
(Ryan D Mathews) writes:
> >
> >Suffice it to say that if ABC decides it doesn't want it anymore, syndication
> >companies will be lined up at the door of Lynch/Frost.
> >

I hope so, although I'm afraid that might not be the case...and even if it is
the quality of the show would probably deteriorate noticeably...syndication
agencies just don't have the budget to produce shows that the networks have.

Brian Markenson

The Third Man wasn't Hitchcock, it was Orson Welles.

This is probably completely irrelevant, but...


Theodore Robert Bundy



Perhaps the killer is merely spelling out initials of known serial
killers.  Pornography link.  Maybe Lynch just wants us to know it
is just a serial killer.

Just an observation.

Connie

The Swedish Chef did it.  He hid among the Norwegians.

Evidence:
BOB --- Beware of Bork!
letters: T, R, B spell --- "BoRk!"  (silent T)

Post responses here or alt.swedish.chef.bork.bork.bork

George Shiau
University of Pennsylvania

shiau@eniac.seas.upenn.edu

Bravo, Bravo.  Indeed! Cooper would recognize his ex-partner in his
dream.  But what he saw in his dream was BOB as he would look or would
wan't to look if he's humanized.  So when Cooper saw BOB in his dream,
it was only in the spirtual sense.  He saw BOB, not the creature he was
inhabting.  

Even I admit that this is a little far fetched at this point in the
series, but who else would wear handcuffs???

-JHarvey
"I feel like my lips are taped to the tailpipe of a bus."
-JHarvey(jh6g+@andrew.cmu.edu)

Being one of those who suffer from the drop outs, can anybody relay what
the giant said at the end of the pilot? Thank you.

-Robert Lentz
lentz@casbah.acns.nwu.edu

P.S. TP is the only show on which this happens; perhaps it is some
incompatiblility between the techniques used by Lynch et al and the
equipment here.

Am I?  I've not seen ONE episode.  Does anyone have
ALL espisodes in order that I could beg, borrow or steal?

From article <11860@pucc.Princeton.EDU>, by HARTLEBN@pucc.Princeton.EDU (Christian Albrecht Hartleben):
} From the way I grasp at straws, you'd think I'm kidding, but...
} Remember when Cooper and Albert discuss "The Third Man" who must
} have killed Laura (this season's premiere, donut pan down the table).
} Hitchcock's "The Third Man" was named Harry (Harry Lime)
} ^^^^^^^^^
} Chris Hartleben


Carol Reed, not Hitchcock.

jan

In article <15529@reed.UUCP> minar@reed.bitnet (Nelson Minar) writes:
> >
> >Several questions come to mind from the new episode of Twin Peaks:
> >
> >Broken Heart necklace - they carefully showed 3 shots of the broken heart
> >  necklace in a row, each time the necklace was on a different sort of cord
> >  (the new one was a piece of thin black rope, if I remember correctly)
> >  Are they getting REALLY sloppy with continuity?

Maybe it's on purpose - maybe EVERY time they have shown the heart
it has been on a different sort of cord. Either as a joke/red herring
or to indicate the hearts 'power' of some sort.


Paul
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In article <harlan.655506898@copper>, harlan@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Pete Harlan) writes:
> > dd@sei.cmu.edu (Dennis Doubleday) writes:
> > 
>> > >It's not really a valid reason, but I also suspected him because of
>> > >external associations--the actor, David Patrick Kelly, always plays
>> > >anti-social creeps, most memorably in "The Warriors."
> > 
> > Quite memorably, except that was James Remar, not David Patrick Kelly.
> > "Why'd you shoot him?"  "No reeaasson..."  -- James Remar, The Warriors

Actually, the first poster was correct:  Kelly WAS in the Warriors.

Both James Remar and David Patrick Kelly are in both 48 Hours and The
Warriors.  The psycho character in The Warriors ("Wah-riors, come out to
play-ay", and "Why'd you shoot him?"  "No reeaasson...") WAS played by
David Patrick Kelly, the actor who plays Jerry Horne.  Remar played Ajax,
the most psycho member of the *good-guy* gang.

In 48 Hours, they were both bad guys.


-- Laurie

In article <1990Oct10.093826@prarie.enet.dec.com> donham@prarie.enet.dec.com () writes:
> >|>References: <3194@idunno.Princeton.EDU> <19080017@hpclpa.HP.COM>
> >|>Organization: Seattle Online Public Unix (206) 328-4944
> >|>Lines: 15
> >|>
> >|>In article <19080017@hpclpa.HP.COM> dupree@hpclpa.HP.COM (Chuck Dupree)
> >writes:
> >|>|My impression of the poem Mike relates is:
> >|>|
> >|>|In the darkness of future past
> >|>|the magician longs to see
> >|>|one chance out between two worlds
> >|>|fire walk with me.
> >|>|
> >|>|I reran the tape four or five times to get this impression.
> >|>|That doesn't make it a certainty, though.
> >|>
> >|>"One chance out" and "one chants out" sound very similar, but
> >|>"one chants out" makes a lot more sense.
> >|>-- 
> >|>Brian L. Matthewsblm@6sceng.UUCP
> >|>
> >
> >Brian, consider this: Laura is a *very* troubled little girl. She desparately
> >wants a way
> >out of her situation. Twin Peaks certainly seems to a meeting place of two
> >worlds. In
> >this context, "One chance out" make *much* more sense.

But what if the poem was like this:

In the darkness of future past
the magician longs to see
on chants out between two worlds
"Fire, walk with me."

The last line may be the "chant".  Here again we have the two world 
bit that causes more theories to PEAK about the duality in TWIN PEAKS.

bud

Please post the following to alt.twinpeaks

-------------------------------------------

> > Although I had 4 years of French in Jr. High and High School, and
> > there are many more fluent than I, I thought the KM said,
> > "Et une ame solitaire" describing Harold Smith next door, whom
> > Donna was going to visit.

I watched the episode, and having just recently finished 2nd year French,
distinctly heard:

J'ai un homme solitaire,

which means "I have a solitary man."  I am wondering whether Lynch got his
French wrong, since "I am a solitary man (Je suis un homme solitaire)" or "He
is a solitary man (Il est un homme solitaire)" can easily be confused with "I
have a solitary man.  

1st person singular avoir (to have) sounds exactly like
3rd person singular etre (to be). If Lynch got his verbs confused he might have
used the first person pronoun (Je) with what he thought was the third person
form of to be (est), but which sounds like the first person form of to have
(ai).

Anyway, what you describe as "ame" is most certainly "homme" (man).  You might
make a case for "Et un homme solitaire" (And a solitary man), especially if the
line preceding fits well.

I am still convinced that the boy said "J'ai un homme solitaire."

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In article <39895@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> cromwell@acsu.buffalo.edu (mark 
j cromwell) writes:
> >   So that about wraps it up: all the townspeople are members of the cult of
> > Cthulhu and are covering up her ritual sacrifice to the Old Ones. 

I dunno.  If Laura (or Maddy, take yer pick) _were_ a sacrifice to 
C'thulhu (or Yog Sothoth or Nyarlathotep, take yer pick), would there be 
anything _left_ to wrap in plastic?

--
Lefty  (lefty@twg.com)                        "And you may ask yourself,
DoD # 0152                                       'How do I work this?'"

In article <13142@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> mautner@odin.ucsd.edu (Craig Mautner) 
writes:
> > How about somebody who has inside information into the goings on
> > of US military intelligence such as agent Coopers' ex-partner?

This is the second time I've seen a suggestion along these lines.  The 
first was the statement that "since Major Briggs is working on classified 
stuff, he must be able to see Cooper's FBI reports".

This isn't how classification _works_, boys and girls.  Regardless of the 
level of one's security clearance, access to specific information is still 
governed by the "need to know".

And _why_ would an ex-FBI agent (in a mental institution, yet!) have any 
access or insight into "the goings on of US military intelligence"?

--
Lefty  (lefty@twg.com)                        "And you may ask yourself,
DoD # 0152                                       'How do I work this?'"

In article <1990Oct11.103052.28130@agate.berkeley.edu>, brianm@typhoon.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Markenson) writes:
> > In article <1990Oct10.151758@cs.Buffalo.EDU> mathews@cs.Buffalo.EDU
> > (Ryan D Mathews) writes:
>> > >
>> > >Suffice it to say that if ABC decides it doesn't want it anymore, syndication
>> > >companies will be lined up at the door of Lynch/Frost.
>> > >
> > 
> > I hope so, although I'm afraid that might not be the case...and even if it is
> > the quality of the show would probably deteriorate noticeably...syndication
> > agencies just don't have the budget to produce shows that the networks have.

Networks don't produce shows. Twin Peaks is produced by Lynch/Frost
Productions, not ABC. In fact, I think it would be illegal for them to do
so (wasn't there something about Fox having to get a waiver in order to
produce some of their own programs).

The only thing that would be a problem is if the syndication company couldn't
pay enough for the rights to make TP profitable for Lynch/Frost.

---------- Ryan Mathews
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In article <30897@netnews.upenn.edu> hafken@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (David Hafken) writes:
   In article <8083@scolex.sco.COM> seanf (Sean Fagan) writes:
   >>"One has seen the third man. Three have seen him, yes... but not his
   >>body. One only, known to you, ready to speak."
   >>The three who have seen the third man are Sarah Palmer and Cooper
   >>himself, in visions. The third, of course, is Ronette Pulaski who
   >>is out of her coma and ready to speak.
   >Now here's where I want to disagree.  Ronette is *not* ready to speak;
   >remember Cooper's comment to Albert about her not being able to talk yet?
   >I have a hard time believing that this was something overlooked by Lynch and
   >Frost; so what could it mean?
   How about this theory?  The three are Coop, Sarah, AND Ronnette.  The one is
   Leland, who has actually seen BOB in real life, and is certainly ready to 
   speak if we believe is intentions to contact the sheriff...

This can't be it, though, because at the time the giant appeared and
spoke, Leland had not yet seen the poster, so he didn't have anything to
speak about (with respect to BOB).

Muffy
muffy@mica.berkeley.edu

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Subject: (none) ---possibly twin peaks
Status: R


Some analysis of the recent twin peaks:

It's risky to introduce the supernatural and UFO-ial because these
are essentially proletarian concepts that when explored to any
depth are revealed to be very stupid. I once read a book called
by stan lem called ``his masters voice'' which the sf-heads amongst us
may have also read and let me be perfectly clear, I HATE science fiction,
but the point was this: a man, selling extra-T transmissions as
random numbers, is confronted by a customer who points out that these
bits, put forward as random, in fact repeat themselves after some
large number of gigabytes. a los-alamos-type effort is struck up
to determine what the hell these bits are and the mathematician-narrator
and indeed none of the most-qualified scientific personnel described
in the book are ever able to figure out what the bits mean, although
they are able to interpret some homomorphism of the bits as chemical
formulas and they synthesize some sort of slime out of it that has
odd properties. now ones interest in this story may indicate
nerd tendencies but I for one found it at least mildly compelling
particularly because the right note---that of never really figuring
out what the bits mean---is struck.
These outerspace phenomena, if explained, lose much of their force
so that the narrative motive force eventually causes them to become,
as I have already said, very stupid.

From plambeck Tue Oct 9 23:42:46 1990
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Full-Name: Thane E. Plambeck
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To: plambeck@neon.Stanford.EDU
Subject: extra-T in art, etc...
Status: R


so then, take for example close encounters of the third kind. now that
was a typical case. the movie is quite interesting to the point when
things are being explained----when the spaceships appear we begin to
feel an ennui, a thickness, a (how should I say it) Very Stupidness.
when the extra-terrestrials themselves are seen, we feel silly indeed
to have even entered the theatre. the best plan, the only plan, once
these concepts have been brought into play, is to forever postpone
explanation or clarification, and it is in this sense that they may
succeed in twin peaks. what we have here, ultimately, of course,
is a SYMBOL of what is unanswered in our lives, whatever that may be.
an explanation, once offered and accepted, in effect destroys that
thing which it explains. the little green man is of course, a fetus,
an origin, or a place unexplained. ((let me recommend this
rhetorical technique, that of spraying `of course' into your
writing at random, unexplained points, to you)) the habit of
CAPITALIZING words, on the other hand, demeans the reader and let
me offer my apology before continuing.

From plambeck Wed Oct 10 00:04:09 1990
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From: Thane E. Plambeck <plambeck@Neon.Stanford.EDU>
Full-Name: Thane E. Plambeck
Message-Id: <9010100704.AA04089@Neon.Stanford.EDU>
To: plambeck@neon.Stanford.EDU
Subject: science, fiction, and science fiction
Status: R


fiction, then, is false; science, explaining; science fiction, explaining
the false. we are not interested in science
because it explains, but because it delineates the unexplained more
clearly. we would see the ufo photo, but not a description of what
these extra-T's really are, because then we have science, we have an
explanation, and we are not interested in explanations, and particularly
in explanations of what we already understand to be in false framework
(art is representational). there are riddles of this sort---``a man
is dead in a closed room and the floor is wet''---for which we are asked
to guess an explanation---and the so-called answers go something like
---``he tied a rope around his neck while standing on a block of ice and
as it melted he strangled.'' I would say that to the extent one is
interested in these sort of riddles, one is unable to adopt what I
would call the True Critical Viewpoint: art is what it offers, and no
more, and the greatest sin is to bring one's own biases or inventions
to the critical effort. Such a riddle could in effect have any solution:
why am I being asked to provide one?/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
/////////////////////

From plambeck Wed Oct 10 00:36:42 1990
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From: Thane E. Plambeck <plambeck@Neon.Stanford.EDU>
Full-Name: Thane E. Plambeck
Message-Id: <9010100736.AA05664@Neon.Stanford.EDU>
To: plambeck@neon.Stanford.EDU
Subject: ESP paranormal, etc.
Status: R


One might think naively that to distinguish between what is ESP, paranormal,
bigfoot, kirlian photography etc and what is science, say fourier series,
superconductivity or anil's thesis would be a difficult thing but we know
it to be trivial. Only in the lower reaches of the prole press (national
enquirer) do we encounter any confusion about what's what, and this only
in the context of appropriating the scientist's authority for headlining
(``Top researchers baffled by Zebra's Haiku'') I own a two volume
``research study'' on Bigfoot but the emphasis throughout is on what is
unknown or mysterious about the creature, and not on what evidence,
even if fabricated, really exists. for example many pages are devoted
to ``possible sightings,'' but none to ``sightings.'' there are big
apes and the lines are not long at the zoo---but this is irrelevant
because it is the unknown dimension that we are being asked to respond to.
let's agree then on this point and move on. taking a closer look
at the UFO, extra-t's etc. in our culture reveals some interesting points
(next message if I continue typing....)

From plambeck Wed Oct 10 00:57:09 1990
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Full-Name: Thane E. Plambeck
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To: plambeck@neon.Stanford.EDU
Subject: across that crazy quilt we call the classes
Status: R


take the ufo encounter as we find it in movies, in books, in television
commercials. at the prole level (national enquirer) we find the
abduction theme. the aliens seize a victim who is returned unharmed
with vague and usually not altogether unpleasant recollections. higher
up the cultural ladder (but not too high) we find the man, isolated in
a rural environment, suddenly illuminated by a bright, mesmerizing light.
the aliens inspect the human and move on, and the man understands himself
to have been in considerable danger, perhaps because bright fireballs that
burned circular patches into a nearby wheatfield may just have well have
burned him alive and indeed looking at his fishing waders we find them
to be singed at the seams. still higher on the cultural ladder we have
what is known as ``the search for extra-terrestrial intelligence''
with radio waves, space-craft messages on records, and the musings
of Carl Sagan. at the top we have twin peaks, where the ineluctable
core of the idea is yanked out and thrown in with its true company,
the unexplained murder, the mentally half-sane, the inscrutable
closed community with symbolic visitor (agent cooper), prostitution,
shady investment practices, and the far east.

From plambeck Wed Oct 10 01:32:39 1990
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From: Thane E. Plambeck <plambeck@Neon.Stanford.EDU>
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To: plambeck@neon.Stanford.EDU
Subject: you know
Status: R


if twin peaks is about anything it is about messages, messages sent but
not received, messages by phone, messages as clues, messages as dreams,
messages as massages (one-eyed jacks). we have messages from logs,
messages from birds, messages going on to recording tape for diane, messages
to iceland, messages from outerspace, messages from a giant in the
middle of the night with UFO bright light metaphor, strange accent
and token of proof (missing ring). The best scene in the last Twin peaks
was between the military man and the log lady---the log's message was
``deliver the message,'' the log ladies question was ``do you understand that,''
and his answer was ``yes, I believe I do.'' It was a gratifying scene
for the viewer precisely because this moment distilled the act of reception
from our own understanding of the information conveyed---we know
none of the message, the sender, the receiver or the mechanism by
which it is conveyed, but that it is confirmed as received is gratifying
to us. modern man desires community and a sense of belonging and even
this highly reduced communal feeling or understanding strikes a deep chord.

In article <14740005@hpfcso.HP.COM> raj@hpfcso.HP.COM (Bob Jewett) writes:
>>> >>>2)  Laura's body was found on the shore of a lake.  It wasn't washed
>>> >>>    up there.  The murderer had to have a boat to get it there.
>>> >>>    Well, a boat would be the easiest thing to use.
>> >>
>> >> wrong.  It was washed up.  They say so.  Anyway, if you were right 
>> >> Coop would be looking for boat owners.  It could have been dumped by 
>> >> boat, but it doesn't have to have been.  It's a river not a lake.
> >                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >In the pre-season "tickler" I believe it was referred to as Black Lake.
> >
> >Bob

I believe that the body was found below a dam.  This would indicate that
the water level at the place where the body was ashore changes as the
dam is opened and closed.  Lumber mills often control the amount of
water flowing through, thus regulating the level of the river downstream.
So, Laura's body could have washed up when the water was high, and then been
stranded as the water level was lowered.  No boat needed.  Also, one does
not normally find a lake below a dam...her body could have been right below
Black Lake, but not on its shore.


**************************
Jon kull@msg.ucsf.edu
**************************

I just hope that ABC in their infinite wisdom does not cancel TP because it is
not in the top twenty of the ratings.  Everyone in the world that I know watche
s it and I just don't understand why it is not in the top ten just like the Sim
psons should be there too.  Well I have a feeling that if they do ever take TP
off the air because of ratings, there will be another mass uprising by the foll
owers just like when they took Moonlighting off.  Well I hope that you are ther
e just like me and my party goers are on Saturday to see TP.  Later

                                                         Bill

Ps  KEEP THE FAITH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In article <8852@milton.u.washington.edu> twain@blake.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin) writes:
> >In article <1157@bbxsda.UUCP> scott@bbxsda.UUCP (Scott Amspoker) writes:
> >D
>> >>Perhaps Laura's drug use was so severe that she couldn't function in 
>> >>her capacity as "hospitality girl".
>> >>
> >Well, maybe, but if her drug use was so out of control how was she 
> >managing to deceive everyone she dealt with on a daily basis and 
> >function as a high school student, a daughter, a volunteer?

I wondered about this, too.  If you only read the diary, you'd picture
Laura as a wired coke fiend!  She even mentions "doing lines" in the bathroom 
during her visits with Johnny Horne!  Plus the mountains that she
snorts with Leo and Bobby...

Also note that when she stops using coke for 19 (?) days, BOB disappears.
When she starts again, she sees BOB crouching in the corner, smiling.  Almost
made BOB sound like a cocaine-psychosis hallucination...

-- Larry Spence larry@csccat.cs.com ...{uunet,texsun,cs.utexas.edu,decwrl}!csccat!larry

Does anyone have a) a map they could perhaps send to me or
b) a source that I could go to for such a map? Please email,
I don't read this group regularly...

Thanks!

 || Bryant Durrell                                      durrell@pharlap.com ||
 || Publications Department, Phar Lap Software    durrell@husc4.harvard.edu ||
 . .. ... .... ..... ...... ....... _______ ....... ...... ..... .... ... .. .
               My opinions are my own; my facts are simply facts.

Has anyone seen the new Twin Peaks book?

     I, ALBERT
The Autobiography of a Member of the Happy Generation

by Albert Rosenfield


Sorry, I know it's bad, but I thought it up in a dream last night.  It wasn't
as good as the dream I had the other night with Cooper and Norma.
Now if I could only have a dream with Killer Bob.

The Disco Strangler...

In article <1990Oct11.103052.28130@agate.berkeley.edu> brianm@typhoon.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Markenson) writes:
> >In article <1990Oct10.151758@cs.Buffalo.EDU> mathews@cs.Buffalo.EDU
> >(Ryan D Mathews) writes:
>> >>Suffice it to say that if ABC decides it doesn't want it anymore, syndication
>> >>companies will be lined up at the door of Lynch/Frost.
> >
> >I hope so, although I'm afraid that might not be the case...and even if it is
> >the quality of the show would probably deteriorate noticeably...syndication
> >agencies just don't have the budget to produce shows that the networks have.

What about Star Trek? It's syndicated. Each episode costs about $1,000,000
to produce, and it certainly has no production quality problems. I can hardly
imagine that an epsiode of Twin Peaks costs even half that much.

-- Steve Scherf steve@Altos.COM ...!{sun|sco|pyramid|amdahl|uunet}!altos!steve These opinions are solely mine, but others may share them if they like.

   In the last episode of the first season, Ben Horne makes no
secret of his ownership of One-Eyed Jack's in his meeting with
Einar Thorson (``tonight, you play on the house'').  Thus the
attempt to make a big deal of it this season is probably a 
continuity mistake.  However, there are some possible scenarios
for future episodes based on this:

   Prompted by ET's enthusiastic testimonials, rowdies and
   underdressed position seekers from all over Europe descend 
   on Twin Peaks, asking in assorted thick accents how to get
   to Ben Horne's place.  Ben somehow manages to shoo them 
   away before the authorities notice.  Then Major Brigg's 
   space probes pick up:

XX5/E/VZP67VH//PX/PF2ZF1/K//GPWJC2F/CCYMW/C7W/C73ZKJ1//VY/423BQP
Y4/HOW/MUCH/IS/A/SUITE/AT/ONE/EYED/JACKS?///21XQW/V/FW7//Z6KHXQJ
/3//CBWXP/BQP/XGGBC/34EZPP/Z//Y3QK/P7C/C/CE7X/2W2M7/KMWFWB/PQ6FF
FGB7P/KFV3C/F///GJ1X7/M6HB/C/HORNE/HORNE/HORNE/FMMBKWX/1/E/H//5H
 

MQ4X/KZ/CHARLES/BLAIR/M//JB71/2FC2PMCPV//V//1G2GP/YQ3K//B4/V272V
5/ZCJ/ALBERT/SHOT/COOPER/EE5715//B/22G////4//P/F/MZ37J/K/2M4F3BV
GG/F/7V64/YOU/HEARD/IT/HERE/FIRST/YVK5QPBP/KHKG/K74BGM/1FGQ2W//K

Sorry if this has been cleared up, but I'm ~500 articles
behind.  (No rest for the query {whatever that means})

Lucy didn't say "The mill burned down," she said "The mill
burned."  Period.  Also, I seem to recall someone mentioning that
there was "a fire in drying room #3," or something like that.  can
anyone confirm, refute, or even comment intelligently?

"I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV"Ge|ge

--

So the next letter is a "B", eh?

Let's see....alBeRT (and he is Jewish, so maybe he skips vowels :^)

Maybe the temporally regressive killer from the Euro version is with us after
all!

Hmmm....

(Albert=BOB theory courtesy of David Rind.  Used with permission.)

--
===============================================================================
Malcolm Austin -- maus@fir.morgan.com 
Disclaimer (v.), to unarm an opponent wielding a Scottish broadsword
===============================================================================

Does a dog have the BOB nature?
I really doubt that the Evil In the Woods & BOB are one & the
same.  I prefer to think of the Evil as a kind of warping presence sim-
ilar to the one that haunted the Overlook Hotel in the movie of The 
Shining.  BOB is a townsperson who has been twisted by this force just
as Jack was driven insane by The Overlook.  I'm sure there do exist
other spirits that can manifest in the woods, but I feel these are
probably an effect of the Evil, & not it's cause.  The Evil works
by taking ordinary people, like Laura, & making them into out-of-
control maniacs.  This force just did a better job of this with who
wver turned into BOB.  That BOB is some spirit that can inhabit dif-
ferent bodies seems unlikely to me.  Still, I thought Andy was the
father of Lucy's baby, so...

If you meet the BOB on the road, be killed by him.

"I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV"Ge|ge

--

> >In article <1990Oct11.103052.28130@agate.berkeley.edu>, brianm@typhoon.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Markenson) writes:
> > I hope so, although I'm afraid that might not be the case...and even if it is
> > the quality of the show would probably deteriorate noticeably...syndication
> > agencies just don't have the budget to produce shows that the networks have.

Not true.  "Star Trek: The Next Generation" is a very successful
syndicated show, and it has a budget of well over a million dollars
per episode.  Probably one of the most expensive shows on television.
I'd guess that "Twin Peaks" doesn't even come close to costing that
much.

--
Mark Vita                                  vita@sunny.dab.ge.com
Advanced Engineering
GE Simulation and Control Systems
Daytona Beach, FL

Black Jack Gum is not a Lynchian joke.  It is a real brand
of gum that used to be popular in the ? early sixties ?.  My girl-
friend told me about it first.  It's been out of style for a while,
but is apparently coming back in style soon.

I am not making this up.

If you are studying the TV show, you are far from the TV show.

"I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV"Ge|ge

--

In article <1990Oct9.154947.15748@midway.uchicago.edu> pbhx@ellis.uchicago.edu (Peter B. Hayward) writes:
> >The giant's voice did *not* drop out as viewed on a Rochester, New
> >York cable system. The voice *did* drop in the Chicago area on *both*
> >cable and over-the-air broadcasts.
> >
> >So, I am pretty certain it is not a Lynch trick. Perhaps it has
> >something to do with the network satellite feed to the midwest (and
> >maybe points west.)

It's possible that the station doing the local broadcast is the problem.
Twin Peaks is broadcast in stereo.  Many stations have circuitry that
simulates stereo for programs that are *not* in stereo.  If they do not
turn off the circuitry during stereo programs, whenever the circuitry
senses what it thinks is a mono broadcast (when one character is talking and
there is no music in the background, for example) the stereo simulation
circuitry cuts in and the sound can drop in the way it was perceived in the
Chicago area.

If you notice these kinds of problems (those of you with MTS TVs or VCRs
who listen in stereo can tell very easily when the simulated stereo cuts
in and out), I suggest you write to the broadcasting station and request
that they disable their stereo simulation circuitry during programs that
are recorded in stereo.

If the stations don't listen, write to your local sponsers and tell them
you won't buy any of their products if the station doesn't turn off the
stereo simulation circuitry.

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!{hpda,versatc,apollo,ucbcad,uunet}!cadence!phz)

"Without chemicals, he points."

In article <Yb4W23a00VsnI0pnh6@andrew.cmu.edu>, bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) oozed:
==> I don't believe that, mainly because the way Ben said it, it doesn't
==> make any sense even as a lie.  "The real ledger, masterminded by
==> Catherine..."  You don't mastermind a real ledger, you mastermind a
==> phony ledger.  Real ledgers just happen.

maybe he meant that the downfall of the mill was 
masterminded by catherine?  she was (or so she
thought), after all, plotting with ben.  remember
when josie insists on shutting the mill down when
they find laura's body?  catherine says something
to the effect of "you're going to bankrupt the mill."


-- ``Censorship in any form is completely unacceptable in a free society. Now, if we could just find a free society somewhere... --Hiram

    Can anyone help me out here?  Someone was taping the 10/6
episode for me, but the tape ran out about 10 minutes short.
It was at the scene when Major Briggs was about to tell Cooper
what the message was.  I'm about 400 articles behind in this
group, so if someone could email me a summary of the last ten
minutes of the show (esp. the message), I would appreciate it.

Thanks, Jennifer

In article <14530@brahms.udel.edu> paris@brahms.udel.edu (Paris H Magasiny) writes:
|I think that Cooper would be able to recognize his own partner.
|After all, he did see killer Bob in his vision clear enough
|to have a sketch made from his description of Bob.

Minor correction.  The sketch is made from a description given by
Sarah Palmer.  Cooper comes in after it's done and says that's the
man he saw in his dream.  I agree with the conclusion though, Wyndham
Earl isn't BOB.

However, Wyndham Earl may be Laura's (and Theresa's) killer.
-- Brian L. Matthews blm@6sceng.UUCP

 GMT
Message-ID: <1990Oct11.155502@sputnik.mit.edu>
Reply-To: mark@sputnik.mit.edu (mark webster)
Organization: M.I.T.
Subject: Re: TP:Handcuffs
Keywords: 

This handcuffs bull is getting a little tiresome.  Maybe we should quit
paying so much attention to the little details and focus on some deeper
issues that Lynch/Frost explore ( if there are any).  I don't have any
right now but I'll start thinking deeply and get back to you.

In <9010112014.AA20569@pharlap.pharlap.com> durrell@pharlap.com (Bryant Durrell) writes:

> >Does anyone have a) a map they could perhaps send to me or
> >b) a source that I could go to for such a map? Please email,
> >I don't read this group regularly...

> >Thanks!

> > || Bryant Durrell                                      durrell@pharlap.com ||
> > || Publications Department, Phar Lap Software    durrell@husc4.harvard.edu ||
> > . .. ... .... ..... ...... ....... _______ ....... ...... ..... .... ... .. .
> >               My opinions are my own; my facts are simply facts.


I recall there was a map in an episode of Time magazine, not the one with
The Great God Lynch on the cover, nor was it the first issue to discuss
Twin Peaks. I suggest you consult your local or academic library and
search all references since Jan. 1990 of TP (there should be about 4
seperate articles) and then look at them all beginning with the 2nd
reference.Hope I could be of some help.
                                   C.L.C.
-- There was a fish... in the percolator..............................Pete Martell Marshmallows! Ben, where're those hickory sticks?...................Jerry Horne Twin Peaks, the kinda town that you can write home about..........Chris Coleman clc5_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu

jgp@rutabaga.Rational.COM (Jim Pellmann) writes:
  
> >- He won't reveal plot details beyond that, but does say that several new
> >  characters will be introduced, among them Dick Tremayne, a department store
> >  manager who becomes Andy's rival for the affections of Lucy.
> >  
> >Now I'm wondering if Tremayne might actually be Tremond?

Tremayne... Tremond... Truman... Twin Peak is haunted by a soundex algorithm!
--
Joe Zitt...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

In article <9002@milton.u.washington.edu> jespah@milton.u.washington.edu (Kathleen Hunt) writes:
> >The Third Man wasn't Hitchcock, it was Orson Welles.       

I hate to correct both of you, but "The Third Man" was directed by neither
Alfred Hitchcock or Orson Welles.

It was directed by Carol Reed.  Orson Welles simply acted in the role of
Harry Lime, the missing "Third Man".

Rick Fleischman
Developer Programs/APDA
Apple Computer, Inc.
e-mail: rickf@apple.com
AppleLink: FLEISCHMAN@applelink.apple.com

Excerpts from netnews.alt.tv.twin-peaks: 11-Oct-90 Re: *SPOILERS* for
next wee.. RANDY S WELCH@diana.cair (824)

> > 1.  We see Cooper bending over something and saying: 

> >     "We better find the one armed man."

> >     (My bet is that they find Killer Bob *dead*)

My bet is they make the connection between the one-armed man and Leo's
new pair of shoes.

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scott@bbxsda.UUCP (Scott Amspoker) writes:

> > In article <1990Oct10.050616.17143@athena.mit.edu> rlcarr@athena.mit.edu (Ric
>> > >Some potential spoilers...
> > 
>> > >1) it looks like a another fingernail letter is found.  This one's a "B"

T...R...B? This means one of three things:

1. The Evil in the Woods writes for the New Republic.

2. The Truman/Tremond/Tremayne soundex algorithm has a head cold.

3. If you play the dwarf scene backwards, he's singing "2-4-6-8 
   Motorway".
--
Joe Zitt...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

I think "Look it's trying to think" would be a good sound.
   
   Oz

In article <1321@zip.Convergent.COM> dougm@zip.Convergent.COM (Doug Moran) writes:
.A friend of mine has this theory:

.Maddy is Laura
.BOB is Laura.
.Laura, not Leland or Ben, is the one with MPD.
.Laura, in her BOB persona, killed herself.

So who is dead (wrapped in plastic)?
Who is hanging out with James & Donna?

Jeremy Billonesjbillone@jarthur.claremont.edu
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In article <3954@csccat.cs.com> larry@csccat.cs.com (Larry Spence) writes:

   Also note that when she stops using coke for 19 (?) days, BOB disappears.
   When she starts again, she sees BOB crouching in the corner, smiling. Almost
   made BOB sound like a cocaine-psychosis hallucination...

Yes, but if I remember correctly, one of the first pre-coke entries in
her diary ends with "I hope BOB doesn't come tonight."

Hypothesis:  BOB is an imaginary playfriend that went horribly wrong
in her childhood.  The coke use intensified it.  When she stopped
doing coke, BOB went away.

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Okay, the video recorder's clock was reading 10:00am when PST was actually
10:00pm.  So what happened?  I ended up with a copy of some sunday morning
news show!

Would some kind soul out there please make me a copy of last week's (10/06/90)
epsiode?  I have a bunch of last season tapes if you'd like to trade.  I'll
pay tape and postage costs too!

Please, can *you* help?  Give me a call 408-867-1242.

Thanks in advance!!!

Roy Harvey
roy@well

In article <1163@bbxsda.UUCP> scott@bbxsda.UUCP (Scott Amspoker) writes:

>> >>So, after the first episode this season, a new possibilty spring to mind:
>> >>the one-armed man!  Although it might seem implausable, consider this:
> >
> >The OAM's suspicous arrival in TP about the time Laura was killed
> >interests me.  I had a theory that the OAM was an ex-member of
> >the "owl cult" (or whatever) and was actually trying to save their 
> >next victim.  (However, his possible drug connection seems to interfere 
> >with that.)

Yes, but the drug connection would be perfect to implicate him in the murder(s)
of Laura AND Theresa, since I believe that Theresa was involved with drugs &
OEJ's somehow.  If the OAM is involved with drugs, he is sure to have had
contact with all the current cast of drug characters, and he certainly would
be able to travel...

Also, I don't think saying he couldn't kill with just one arm works because
Laura was tied up.

-Dave

"Woof!"  - A.R.

Spoiler Disclaimer:

Unfortunately, a very strong spolier is required here.  My fanatical
friends and I honestly believe this explaination to be true.  It does
not explain all the happenings of twin peaks nor will it try to.  We
have viewed enough videotape as it stands.  We don't feel the need to
watch another twelve hours with clipboards in our hands and laughing
at all the subtle references imbedded in the script.

You may seriously choose to not read any further, and even (hard as it
may be for some of you) not read this group for a while.  I stopped
reading the posts for five days and I had over six hundred new ones
waiting for me.  It might be a hard burden for some.  I suggest that
you consider how you may feel after reading on.

After reading many of the latest posts, only a few came close but just
kinda missed it.  Again, I am fairly certain of our conclusion... even
though it is three in the morning.  I feel oblidged to tell this
newsgroup.  


Clay Webster

Procede with caution.

End of Spolier.
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The Begining.

As I said earlier, I wont be sitting through another TP marathon with
this new theory. My statements aren't meant to be proofs. Nor will I
attempt to prove something in a television show where there could
easily be space aliens traveling back in time. (No that is not the
solution.) 

My friend, Joe Miklojcik, had been leafing through the Diary of Laura
Palmer this evening over in my apartment.  He had read it previously.
I have not read it in its entirely.  He was struck with the notion,
not I.  But it does fit VERY well.  I shall elaborate.

BOB exists.  BOB has existed for a very long time. 
Leland knew of him when he was quite young. He looks the same. 

BOB is not and never has been a hallucination.
BOB was actually there.

BOB isn't the result of something weak about the people that 'see'
him. (i.e. drugs, severe stress, etc) Their weaknesses are the result
of BOB.

BOB lives in a different world, in a parallel world, spirtual world,
<INSERT QUOTES>. 

As "Wild at Heart" was a surreally sane look at the world through the
pages of the "Wizard of Oz", "Twin Peaks" is the macabre view through
twin canines of the legend of vampires.  (Read on, if you didn't drop
your jaw.)

(Gee, I wonder what Lynch's favorite books are?)

I just read someone's post including the definitions of owl.  I
believe one of the definitions fits a vampire quite well.  Also,
recall Cooper's announcement to the leaders of the community. The
murders happened at night. Keep the children inside...  Sound like
legend? 

BOB is and has been a vampire.

MIKE (as in, "Different Mike, different Bob.") was or was becoming a
vampire. Although the careful observer will note MIKE was in the
hospital elevator in the [first] season premire. I really haven't
evaluated MIKE yet. Although, he certainly sold Leo a needed new pair
of 'shoes'.

One (of many) running themes in Twin Peaks is the presence of Owls.
They are mentioned in many cryptic seemingly random statements.  The
best is perhaps provided by the jolly green giant. The owls are not
what they seem. They aren't. Read some shapechanging lore on owls.

The owls are vampires.

Readers of the Diary (which may be revealed to the tv audience
modestly soon) will notice instances of very odd statements concerning
her being an owl, BOB being an owl, flight, etheralness, BOB 'cutting'
her, etc.

Laura died of a lack of blood.

Laura was not a "full" vampire.

Laura KNEW she was going to die.

Again, as "Wild at Heart" depicted many characters as roles from the
"Wizard of Oz", "Twin Peaks" characters can be paired with the all too
varying names and charaters of vampire tales, most importantly the
SERIES "Dracula".

Quick observations can show parallels to Dracula's adversaries,
victims, and minions. BOB, Laura, Ronnette, Cooper, Truman, etc.  Just
get a list of the two and play matching columns.  I think even the
autistic kid matches up.

Evil in the woods. The secret society. All the Mysticism.

I'm barely scratching the surface.

I don't know the whole scoop on the plastiwrapped corpse, or the reason
for letters hidden away under fingernails. (The plastiwrapping must
have been a M.O. for the murder without the fingernail letter. Cooper
came because of it. Not because of 1 murder.)  Perhaps it is a cult of
vampires.  Perhaps it is just a vampire's helper setting things up...

Wouldn't it be sweet if Ben and Jerry were vampires? I suppose a more
likely minion would be Josie, eh?


Have a nice day.


Clay Webster      
webster@romulus.rutgers.edu 

PS: Sorry if I'm wrong, sorry if I'm right.

    Can't wait for Laura's corpse to disappear!

The idea that Twin Peaks is full of 'twin' issues has been brought up
over and over.  But now I wonder about one item in the series that shows
up over and over - Hanks talisman/keychain.

This is the double 3 domino.  I can see the double portion - but why
the 3 spot?  Why not the double 2?  Is there a third side to the twins
theme that we will only see as things progress?
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In article <9064@jarthur.Claremont.EDU> jbillone@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (Jeremy Billones) writes:
> >
> >.Maddy is Laura
> >.BOB is Laura.
> >.Laura, not Leland or Ben, is the one with MPD.
> >.Laura, in her BOB persona, killed herself.
> >
After the Gene Tierney "Laura/Waldo" connection, there's the Vertigo
"Madeleine" connection. Madeleine is the name of the girl who...(spoilers
omitted)...   

Also...if Waldo is the killer who is guilty of contributing to the
delinquency of a mynah? 
-- Jeff Davis davis@keats.ca.uky.edu The supply of strange ideas is not endless.

Gee, that message didn't seem to contain any new information other than the
hint that Donna meeting Mr. Smith will be a mistake (on whose part)?

Sounds like a ripoff for $4.00 when we can get better information here
for a mere thousands of our university/employer's bucks. :^)

(This reminds me of a rock group whose record advertised their 1-900 number
as "free if you call from work".)
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In article <1990Oct9.231818.22559@odin.corp.sgi.com> bam@rudedog.asd.sgi.com (Brian McClendon) writes:
> >The tape will be updated weekly Sun mornings @ 6am.
> >$2 first min, $1/minute after.  A portion of the profits
   ^^^^^^^
> >will be donated to "environmental organizations."  
> >
> >I mention this because this seems to be direct evidence that Lynch
> >is sympathetic to the environmentalist side of the logging/owl problem...
> >--
> >   Brian McClendon bam@rudedog.SGI.COM ...!uunet!sgi!rudedog!bam 415-335-1110

Or he thinks we are.  How big a portion?

I've never heard of a 1-900 number that was more than an amazingly stupid
way to piss away money.  A better stupidity tax than lotto tickets, IMHO.
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In article <1990Oct12.163940.14501@cs.umn.edu>, wsmith@cs.umn.edu (Warren Smith [Randy]) writes:
> > I don't regularly watch tp, but a column in the local paper made
> > an interesting observation.  At the beginning of the first new episode
> > you hear "It's Andy.  Agent Cooper, it's Andy" from the phone.
> > A really clever joke if its true...
> > 
> > Some supporting clues are mentioned - the rock hitting Andy in the
> > head when Cooper is trying to deduce the murderer.  Andy's changes
> > in behavior (mentioned in this group previously).  And a few others.

Well, I'll believe it when we hear that the semen implanted in the girls (was
there any?) was sterile.
-- Eric Olson <fxejo@acad3.fai.alaska.edu> Gryphon Gang Fairbanks AK 99775

In article <6207@ge-dab.GE.COM>, vita@oxford.dab.ge.com (Mark Vita) writes:
 
> > Not true.  "Star Trek: The Next Generation" is a very successful
> > syndicated show, and it has a budget of well over a million dollars
> > per episode.  Probably one of the most expensive shows on television.
> > I'd guess that "Twin Peaks" doesn't even come close to costing that
> > much.

Peaks is over $1 million per episode -- I think the number
was something like $1.2 million in the first season, might
be a bit higher now.


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In article <3146@ryn.esg.dec.com>, boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
|> In article <8b4mY7K00VsnEHv20d@andrew.cmu.edu>, bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) writes...
|> 
|> } From next week's TV Guide:
|> [deleted]
|> 
|> You forgot one. In the "Highlights" sidebar on the page prior to the

Synopsis:
Sneak speaks, codebreaks, and shrieks a bleak squeak.
Weak tweaked beaks wreak streak?

There is yet a third reference to TP in next weeks TV GUIde.
In TV Guide Plus there was a blurb about a PI (private detective)
on the West Coast (CA?) who claims that the phrase 
'Fire...walk with me' is well known in satanic circles.

Mark Frost says in the blurb that neither he or David knows anything
about this and they certainly didn't try to put it in as 
a satanic reference.

I can just see fundamentalist groups rallying against TP and lawyers
using TP in court as a reason some 14 year old became a satan-
worshiper and killed someone ("After he watched Twin Peaks Saturday night
he went out to find an abandoned rail road car, built a dirt mound circled
by candles, kidnapped a girl and sacrified her there).

And Dark Shadows is coming back after a 18 year hiatus, more occult
references on TV for the morality groups to try to censor.

SAAATTTTAAAAAAANNNN!!!!!  Saaatttaannnn killed Laura Palmer. - The Church Lady


--
H. Morrow Long

In article <3775@wrgate.WR.TEK.COM>, spass@midas.WR.TEK.COM (Spass
Stoiantcschewsky) writes:

|>damn, i think i'd be more than a little concerned if my "equipment" 
|>picked up "heavy psychic activity." i mean men *do* get led astray
|>by their gear, but psychic activity *is* a bit much.  the major 
|>seems rather calm about this...and just how do you spool *that* to 
|>a printer...i think you are off the track.

The Major says they just scan for junk from space. And he gets this
strange message for Cooper. I'm not about to buy space critters as a
useful theory, so it must be from somewhere else. Since the message
was already delivered to Cooper, the fact that it got picked up on
the Major's gear was probably an acidental side-effect. Or not.

|>
|> [...]
|>
|>if this is what lynch is doing, it is a masterpiece of delivery.
|>then again, overly analyzing these twin peaks episodes is a hazard
|>beyond all imagining...enjoy them...but i expect that lynch will have
|>a resolution to all this that is firmly rooted in reality, so i'm striving
|>to justify these things without star trek or voodoo tie ins.

Psychic phenomina aren't all that farfetched. Consider that at least
3 people have had visions of BOB. This isn't your run of the mill (sic)
kind of thing, so something is going on up there.

|>>I think Leland's reaction to BOB's picture, and Ronnette's recollection
|>>kind of let Leland off the hook. Which doesn't make him any more sane.
|>>Maybe it's Coop's ex-partner. Sheesh what a mess.
|>
|>no way it's cooper's ex-partner, cooper would have recognized him from
|>his dreams/visions of BOB.  Cooper's ex-partner is the next major story
|>line...

Well, Cooper's ex-partner isn't BOB. That doesn't mean he isn't the killer.
Which is a theory I doubt, now that I think about it some more.

|>contrary to popular opinion, i think laura's murder is nearing a solution.
|>i think leland is out of the picture, as are leo, jacques, bobby and shelly
|>(leo *will* wake up with donuts hanging on his ears in some later episode).
|>ben and jerry are both slippery characters but i don't think they are the 
|>ones.

I tend to agree. I get the feeling that Lynch's solution will not be
supernatural, but it will be pretty sordid.

-MSM
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I don't regularly watch tp, but a column in the local paper made
an interesting observation.  At the beginning of the first new episode
you hear "It's Andy.  Agent Cooper, it's Andy" from the phone.
A really clever joke if its true...

Some supporting clues are mentioned - the rock hitting Andy in the
head when Cooper is trying to deduce the murderer.  Andy's changes
in behavior (mentioned in this group previously).  And a few others.

-Randy

p.s. to avoid any possible urges to send me mail to me about this - the
   source is Mpls Start+Trib, Oct 12, page 5E.
-- Randy Smith wsmith@cs.umn.edu ...!rutgers!umn-cs!wsmith

Now, I don't have a VCR like you true Twin Peaks trendoid yupsters,
so I'm doing this all from memory, but here goes:

I think the reason the Kid Magician looks like a little Lynch may
have something to do with the fact that the actor's last name is Lynch.

Feel free to correct me. (But if I'm right, let me say one thing: DUUUH!)
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I guess it's obvious by the variety of conjectures posted here that Lynch
hasn't given us sufficient clues to know just what happened the night Laura
died.  For example, we don't really have any idea why someone would kill
both Theresa Banks and Laura (I assume from the letters that the murders are
indeed connected).  We don't know enough about Theresa Banks to connect her
solidly with any character.  We don't know why anyone would write "Fire walk
with me" in blood and leave it in the train car.  We don't know why anyone
would be undertaking a program of murders to spell out, say, 
"triskadecaphobia."

Having said that, I'll offer my speculations about Laura's death.

I agree that BOB is a psychological demon created by molestation or other
trauma in Laura's past.  It is pretty clear in the diary that BOB is not a
real person.  The same wild man (Ted Nugen?) is seen in visions by vaious
people because the women in Sarah's family are strongly psychic.  However,
there was a real third man at Jacqiue's cabin, who had sex with Laura
somewhere.  I think this man was the serial killer, and was weird enough to
write the note, wrap Laura in plastic, and put a letter under her
fingernail. I think Laura was willing to play this man's games because she
liked it, and perhaps wanted to die.

And now a wild guess about the letters:  They are the first letters of the
victim's names.  The killer wanted to or thought he was killing Ronnette,
but Laura took her place because she wanted to.  This means in the next
episode, if the new letter comes from a fresh murder victim, a B person will
die: Ben?  Bob?  BOB?  Bobbie?  ... Blackie? (but not _ Briggs, _ Brennan)

Doug

Lucy's baby is the next Dalai Lama.

--Tim




& debbie gibson is bearing cooper's 3-headed love child...

> >If he was wearing handcuffs, then it's safe to assume that he has
> >escaped from someplace.  Didn't Cooper's ex-partner escape?  Hmmmmmmmmmm.

having seen BOB in his dream, cooper would surely have noticed a
resemblance to his ex-partner if it were he.  then again, who knows
about tp continuity.

I was quite confused by Albert's remarks about coop's ex-partner.  Could
someone who might have it as close as possible to the show's dialog send me
a note?

My confusion is in who is/was in the looney bin and who has disappeared.  When
I heard it, I THOUGHT that these were two different people!  That someone
was tied down in a local (?) looney bin and then after a few more words that
his ex had 'flown the coop, Coop'.
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Geez, you really did write that at three in the morning, didn't you?  And I
thought Lynch was overly melodramatic...

At any rate, though your argument is an interesting theory, I don't think it's
time for us to consider all of them yet.  Twin Peaks, as far as I can see, is
far from "solved;" and, much more importantly, I think you're lacking in any
concrete evidence.  Even the Truman people have circumstantial evidence for
their case; if you're going to claim that your theory is the end-all proof of
Twin Peaks, you need more than that.

Sorry to rain on your parade, but I really feel that your claim in the subject
line was a little excessive.
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In article <8830@milton.u.washington.edu> jespah@milton.u.washington.edu (Kathleen Hunt) writes:
> > bmay@chips.com (Brad May)
> > Message-ID: <599@news.chips.com> complains:
> >*It looks like the "Without chemicals he points" clue refers to Leland 
> >*(without hair dye) pointing at BOB's poster in Ben Horne office.   
> >
> >Wait -- Leland never has used hair dye, has he?  So why would he be
> >any more "without chemicals" than any of the other characters?

What about Blackie, she has a habit, maybe after she gets a little strung
out she will crack and spill a lot about what's been going on. Of course
she is not a 'he' ... but after all this is TP.

Paul


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In article <CUTTER.90Oct12043558@churchy.ai.mit.edu> cutter@churchy.ai.mit.edu (joedude) writes:
> >In article <3954@csccat.cs.com> larry@csccat.cs.com (Larry Spence) writes:
> >
> >   Also note that when she stops using coke for 19 (?) days, BOB disappears.
> >   When she starts again, she sees BOB crouching in the corner, smiling. Almost
> >   made BOB sound like a cocaine-psychosis hallucination...
> >
> >Yes, but if I remember correctly, one of the first pre-coke entries in
> >her diary ends with "I hope BOB doesn't come tonight."
> >
> >Hypothesis:  BOB is an imaginary playfriend that went horribly wrong
> >in her childhood.  The coke use intensified it.  When she stopped
> >doing coke, BOB went away.

BOB appears to her twice while she's sober, so you guys are confused.
(pg. 155-156 is two pages of BOB!).
One of these times is especially terrifying.

I don't doubt that Laura found coke useful in dealing with BOB somehow.
Coke and BOB aren't directly related though.   Perhaps Mike Gerard
finds Coke useful in handling BOB too.  (wild speculation there)

There might be something to the food in town too. :)   
(especially the hospital food)

Someone just posted a theory that BOB was in Laura at the train car,
and came out when Laura died to hurt Ronette.  This fails to
take into account the third man.  Either BOB walks to the cabin
in human form, or BOB is inside someone else.

Michael Kaye     horny@ucscb.ucsc.edu
"I knew that coke was a problem, but it was nothing next to BOB.

The BOB that Leland saw in his childhood could have been the 
father of the current BOB. Didn't the kid magician look like
David Lynch?


Louie