Season 2, Episode 09: Arbitrary Law — December 01–07, 1990

In article <JYM.90Dec6154621@remarque.berkeley.edu> jym@berkeley.edu writes:
>> >> It's been established that Laura gave her diary to Harold Smith
>> >> about a week and a half before she died.
> >.-.
> >|N|o it hasn't.  Sorry to throw a damper on all that stuff you
> >`-' typed in, but as Uncle Walter used to say, that's the way
> >    it is.

It says in the published diary, right there in black-and-white in
Laura's last entry, that she was giving it to Harold Smith to prevent
BOB from getting at it any longer.  You may not accept the published
diary as canon, but Lynch has announced that it is, indeed, canon, and
besides, his daughter wrote it in collaboration with him.

Besides: let's assume that she did somehow really go write that diary
page herself.  Is there any legitimate way that the action can be
rationalized sensibly and fit in with what else we know happened?
Harold really gave no sign that Laura had come back to make another
entry in the diary, and he certainly wouldn't have let her go without
reading the page, and if he had read it and known the truth about her
death then he wouldn't have acted so abjectly clueless around Donna,
unless there's some whole other plotline we're missing here... it just
doesn't make any sense.

>> >> the Log Lady (oh, they seem to have forgotten about her, that's
>> >> right)...
> >.-.
> >|G|ood heavens, we haven't seen her for Two! Whole! Episodes!
> >`-' Obviously she's been written out completely, right?

Yes.  The last time we saw her was when she brought Cooper to the
Roadhouse, and she wasn't herself, then -- she was too open, too
friendly, too ready to go along and accompany Cooper and Truman.  Not
the mousy Log Lady we've come to know and love!

You think the Log Lady is a bad example of an interesting character
who's not around any more?  Then, how about Dr. Jacoby?  Off in Hawaii
with his wife -- lotta good that does *us*.  (Hawaii-Five-Oh, anyone? ;)

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In article <67089349@bfmny0.BFM.COM> tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes:
> >I don't think people should flood the world with 70-kilobyte "articles"
> >that only a fraction of readers can use.  This is a DISCUSSION group.
> >If you have big binaries to share, post them for anonymous FTP
> >somewhere.


Thank you for expressing your opinion. I hope it doesn't prevent people
from posting sounds that others happily download and enjoy. There is no
statute saying this is only a discussion board. It is for what purposes
we make of it. If you don't like the articles being there, you are free to
have your sysadmin remove those postings from your site. Please don't
speak for everyone.

Jim
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While watching TV tonight alot of Twin Peaks people popped up.
First there was Warren Frost (Doc Hayward) on L.A. Law.  Second was Lara
Flynn Boyle (Donna Hayward) on MTV's the Big Picture.  She talked about her
new movie "The Rookie."  She didn't say anything about Twin Peaks though.
Third was Kimmy Robertson (eek! relative of BOB?) on the Tonight Show.  I 
the beginning of her interview so I didn't hear if she said anything about
Twin Peaks or not.

-The Disco Strangler

In article <1990Dec5.111121.517@vixvax.mgi.com> eiswirth@vixvax.mgi.com (Steve Eiswirth) writes:
> >Forgive me if these have already been extensively covered or stated...
> >
> >1.  I think W. Earle has hosted and is hosting BOB, otherwise how would
> >Leland have known anything about what happened to Cooper in Pittsburgh?
> >BOB must have transferred this info inside Leland's brain.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
     I believe folks have mentioned references to Laura's diary in which
she says BOB lies (like a rug).  Also, we found out (01-Dec-90) that
Laura shared Cooper's dream of Mike, BOB & the Man From Another Place.
Andy says it's impossible for two people to have the same dream, and
Cooper agrees with him.  Leland tells us BOB originally came to him in
a dream (if I recall correctly), or at least he thought it was a dream.
So, suppose BOB can enter people's subconcious dream state and create
their dreams.  Why would he do this?  I DON'T KNOWWWWWWWWWWWW!
But, perhaps while he was in there he perused Cooper's "Pennsylvania"
file (probably wanted to look up the lyrics to PA6-5000) and caught a
glimpse of what Cooper did in Pittsburgh.
     I suspect Coop had some sort of run-in with evil spirits back then,
which led to his interest in Tibet, Book of the Dead & Throwing Stones.
We'll just have to wait til we're ready for it.

> >STEVE.
Jim

        I don't know if this will add fuel to fires, but in prime time 
ABC (is it?  Shows how much I pay attention... But I do record TP !)  is 
running a commercial in which we see some official-looking fellow in a 
severe suit say "Agent Cooper, I here announce that you are suspended 
from the Agency."   Puts a whole new wrinkle in everything.  Also tells 
me that the "What are we gonna do now?" discussion Monday-bouts has been
answered in a hastily thrown-together "ITS NOT OVER! ITS NOT OVER!" 
fashion.
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/ hpopd:alt.tv.twin-peaks / scott@bbxsda.UUCP (Scott Amspoker) / 11:15 pm  Dec  6, 1990 /

> > What I find interesting is that Harold could have known she was going
> > to die that night.  What would he have done?

Probably phoned James so that he could save her.

Richard.
"I can't die yet, I've got 256 colo(u)r bitmaps."

I watched the Dec. 1 episode again last night, and I think that we won't
be seeing Bob again soon, but we will be seeing other people occupied by
spirits like him and Mike.  Leland, dying, says he recruited others for
these spirits.  I think that Sarah Palmer is currently occupied by one
of these spirits.  She's a likely candidate, being married to BOB, and
we've seen her in a very strange state, with full recovery the next
morning, which is similar to the transformations that take place with
Mike and Bob.  So her behavior at the wake tomorrow should be
interesting to watch.

-- J

In article <13700058@hpscdc.scd.hp.com>, bobk@hpscdc.scd.hp.com (Bob Kelley)
writes:
# I know of two films she was in :
# 
# Two Moon Junction (1987)
# Meridian (1990)

Wild at Heart

I would have actually felt a lot better if the 12/1 episode had ended with
Leland's death.  The death scene was, IMO, _very_ well done, and an 
appropriate climax.  Perhaps after the death scene, the scene with the owl.
The bit with the four of them in the woods could have been left out.  It
was anticlimatic, and reasonably "hokey", if I may use that word...

-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sanjiv Sarwate EMAIL: sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu "But what is truth? Is truth unchanging law? We both have truths. Are mine the same as yours?" - Pontius Pilate to Jesus Christ, from Jesus Christ Superstar

In article <1990Dec4.202431.10697@watserv1.waterloo.edu>,
alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) says:
> >
> >I figure either the memories came back because Bob was holding them at
> >bay and when Bob left the memories came back automatically or else the
> >head injuries somehow broke through Leland's barriers to recollection.
>> >>
> >a.h.

Bob said during his interview with Cooper that he would pull the
plug/cord (cannot remember the exact words) and Leland would
then remember everything.  Bob then warned Cooper to watch what
would happen to Leland when this happened.

Maybe Bob initiated the head banging to let out the memories, because
it didn't seem to me that Leland remembered until he lay
on the floor in Cooper's lap.

Was this Bob's last sadistic act towards Leland to let him die
fully realizing what he had done - or was it an act of kindness since,
is it not many relgious beliefs that you can not enter the kingdom of
God until you accept and repent all your sins?


LINDA

"Agent Cooper, the problems of our entire society are of a sexual nature"
SEXUAL NATURE"

In article <kbLEDpW00WAw0eQkZi@andrew.cmu.edu>, ab3o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Allan
Bourdius) says:
> >
>> >>6.  New theory on Dick:  How could he get Lucy pregnant if he's gay :-)
> >
> >Gay men produce semen just the same as heterosexual men, as far as I know.
> >I think Lucy probably knows whether or not she had sex with Dick...
> >
I think Dick would also know whether he had sex with Lucy.  He never
denied the possibility that he was the father.



LINDA

"Agent Cooper, the problems of our entire society are of a sexual nature"

In article <V1ZTTK5@cs.swarthmore.edu>, dup94@campus.swarthmore.edu (Daniel
Pedersen - Keren's Daddy) says:
> >
> >Speaking of lawsuits, Leland's constitutional rights were being demolished in
> >the scene where he is shoved into the cell and questioned - unless during the
> >blackout between the two scenes someone had read him his rights and obtained
> >a signed waiver from him, declining his right to an attorney.

> >The Miranda act, that which just survived an attack on it by Georgie's
> >administration in the Supreme Court, states that a suspect must be read his
> >"you have the right to remain silent..." and that nothing that that suspect
> >says can be used against them in a court of law.  The police are not allowed
> >to question a suspect _and_obtain_a_legitimate_confession_ in the absence of
> >a lawyer representing said suspect.

Truman read Leland his rights just before Cooper began questioning
him.  Also at Leland's previous arrest and court hearing he represented
himself, therefore would he not be doing that in this case as well?

And anyway would this confession have been used in court, since
everyone present agreed that Leland was either insane or possessed
by a demon?  I think there is also a constitutional requirement
regarding being tried when incompetent (Leo, for example).



LINDA

"Agent Cooper, the problems of our entire society are of a sexual nature"

From article <35570018@hpopd.HP.COM>, by richardh@hpopd.HP.COM (Richard Hancock):

> Did Russ Tamblyn play General Tom Thumb, or some other small person, in a film
> of a fairytale?
>
> Richard.

I do seem to remember him playing Tom Thumb but can't remember
the movie. He did play a woodsman with a magic cloak that
makes him invisible in the "Wonderful World of the Brothers Grimm."
(he had to find out why the King's daughter was wearing out
her shoes every night.)

If someone emails you the Tom Thumb answer, please let me know
what it is. Thanks.

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In article <1451@bbxsda.UUCP>, scott@bbxsda.UUCP (Scott Amspoker) says:
> >
various information deleted
> >What I find interesting is that Harold could have known she was going
> >to die that night.  What would he have done?

I think Harold did know, remember when he said to Donna and Maddy
about knowing the secrete of knowing who killed you.  Maybe if
Harold did kill himself (and this IMHO is in doubt) it was because he
could no longer live with the fact he did nothing to prevent Laura
from going to her death.

Also it is quite reasonable,if Harold was contemplating suicide,to
want the world to know the truth and give the final page to Donna.
What I don't understand is why he would not call her directly or
leave some other message that was not quite so obscure?  He was being
very optimistic that Donna would overhear what was written in
the suicide note and then rush off to the Tremonds'.  Unless Harold
knew he was in danger from Bob and had to cover his
tracks very carefully.  I think there is a lot more to the Harold
plot line that could be explored in future episodes.


LINDA

"Agent Cooper, all the problems of our entire society are of a sexual nature"
PS: As you can tell from the numerous posting, I'm having a slow day/week/
    month/lifetime, please bear with me.

With the termination of the Laura Palmer arc, the Houynhmm Oil arc
will probably get under way soon. (The ponies are not what they seem!)
Here's a hypotheses: They had originally planned to seque the
Laura Palmer (Kore/Persephone/Eurydice) stuff into a Fu Manchu/Neyland Smith
parody. American fear of the Yellow Peril. Then, the Japanese started buying
the studios. Enter Houynhmm Oil and a Jekyll-Hyde type story. The
castrati are not what they seem?
-- Jeff Davis davis@keats.ca.uky.edu Where we are here, Gerrit said, is the backside of nowhere....

> > So her [Sarah Palmer] behavior at the wake tomorrow should be
> > interesting to watch.

Too bad she can't jump up and down on the coffin!  ;-)

> >In article <14740024@hpfcso.HP.COM>, daq@hpfcso.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes...

>> >>I think that Lynch is still learning his trade and I hope that
>> >>he matures so that his work can achieve his potential.  

> >Achieve his potential?  I don't know, if I were a moviemaker and "Eraserhead" 
> >(or "Blue Velvet" for that matter) was my only film, I'd be able to die happily.

I have not seen Eraserhead, but Blue Velvet, although very enjoyable 
left me a little empty.  In a way, I think I agree with criticisms
of Lynch (I love TP, by the way) that he does not put enough effort
into plot.  Visually Lynch's work is great.  Emotionally it is pretty 
good too, but I personally think that he has not yet found the
balance between plot, images, and emotional manipulation that will
generate a true masterpiece.  I think Lynch is a great director, but
I honestly think that he could be better.  I think that TP is better
than many of his movies, because it tones down his outright strangeness,
and it has forced him to work with people that seem to have imposed
an enjoyable plot on Lynch's inherent strangeness.

I KNOW that Gary Newell will disagree with this for his own reasons,
but I think that certain episodes of TP approach the zenith of
what Lynch is capable.  They are, if you will, TV masterpieces.
Please do not flame me Gary.  I don't care diddley dick for Lynch and
I would not particularly care if he was hit by a bus tomorrow, but
I do have a great deal of respect for some of the things TP has done.

> >Granted, Lynch could improve or diversify (couldn't we all?), and I do feel 
> >that Lynch is guilty of some of the criticisms Mr. Newell has proposed.  
> >However, I feel that he is much less guilty of these problems than are most
> >filmmakers.  

Maybe.  I guess I do agree that Lynch is 'one of the best', but I still
get the feeling that he is where Woody Allen was 15 years ago when he
was still dorking around with quirky comedy before he made what I
consider to be his truly great films.  Of course if you hate Woody Allen...

> >I also find these criticisms of the "plotlessness" of David Lynch to be 
> >interesting.  To me, Twin Peaks has one of the most involved and convoluted
> >plots of any TV show around.  To most people, THIS has been the ultimate
> >reason people have left the show.  Thus, I think Lynch/Frost's strange
> >"indulgences" (if you insist) are quite forgivable.  

Yes, TP has plenty of plot for me.  It moves very slowly, but who cares.
But TP also has more plot that Lynch movies, so I think most of the
plot comes from elsewhere.  Perhaps from some evil spirit inhabiting
Frost.

> >If you want plot, TP gives it to you.  If you want tone, TP also gives it to 
> >you.  If you want image, style OR substance, you got it.  Granted, there's not
> >an equal balance of all these ingredients, but so what?  If your lasagna had
> >precisely equal parts sauce, cheese, pasta, and meat, it wouldn't be very
> >tasty, would it?  (Strange analogy, I know, but think about it)

By and large, I have very few serious criticisms of TP.  It irritated
me that they did not milk Leland for more drama and more great shots
of that lunatic face.  

I also wisht they would kill James or Donna.  One or the other has
to go!

> >Mike Cluff*   One who knows does not post;

Doug Q

Hey wait a minute here!  Maybe Harold was the third man that Laura had
been with?  She could have written the pages then.  She didn't tell
Harold to give the pages to Donna (not that I remember anyway).  I think
that Harold left them for Donna on his own accord since she and Maddie
had planned on taking the diary from him to learn Laura secrets.  This
was a kind of "Here is what you wanted, hope that you are happy now."

This is how I took it anyway.

In article <35570032@hpopd.HP.COM>, richardh@hpopd.HP.COM
(Richard Hancock) writhes:
>> > > The dwarf (=Leland) says "She's my cousin." If you take the "she" at 
>> > > this moment to stand for Maddie, then Leland speaks truth, because 
>> > > Laura's cousin is also his cousin -- once removed.
> > 
> > "Cousin", even "once removed", implies a peer relationship to me.
Surely Leland
> > is/was of a different generation to Maddie?
> > 
> > Richard.
> > "I can't die yet, I haven't mastered genealogy."

No.  Cousin implies the son or daughter of one's parent's siblings.

For instance, I am one of my cousin Cherie's "parental" role-models,
frightening thought.  She's about 14 years younger than me, which is
about 1 year off from the age differential between me and my mother.

Besides, Maddie was a college grad - she's always been "close to Laura"
but also she's always been about 6 years older than Laura.  Indulging
herself in regression-to-highschool games was really rather immature and
stupid; she should have known better than to conceal evidence the way
she did with the James-and-Donna stunts.

Hutch

I vote for Nadine as Bob's next host.  She's already mentally unbalanced,
and she has superhuman strength -- enough to wreak real mayhem if 
something sets her off.  So far, we know of Bob's causing only sex crimes
by men against women, but if Bob's really as bad as he seems so far, why
would he limit himself to one M.O.?

People seem to die frivolously on TP!  How could Leland give himself
enough of a head injury to die within minutes, and still be totally
lucid?  I'm not a medical type so I don't know this for sure, but 
would have assumed that it's almost impossible to kill yourself by
banging your head against the wall, unless you started some slow
bleeding that might take hours or days to kill you.  Any comments?
Also, Maddie seemed to take very little killing, although of course
we didn't see what else Leland might have done to her.

Sounds like Cooper was knifed in Pittsburgh.  Bob was talking about knives
in terms of "just like Pittsburgh".  Also, after Cooper was shot at the
Great Northern, his message to Diane implied that no one had ever shot him
before -- remember his line about "putting the fear out of your mind"?

Am I the only one on this board who still thinks James is a real hunk ? :-)
Julie Kozaczka Stahlhut
"I'm not especially responsible but it's not my employer's fault."

In article <861@pdxgate.UUCP> mke@jove.cs.pdx.edu (Mike Miller) writes:

> > Biggest plot hole.  Cooper asking Leland to come along to the station
> > as Bens lawyer.  Better solution.  Cooper asking Ben to come along to 
> > give a formal statement to the effect that Ben had called Laura on the night
> > of her murder.  Asking Leland to represent the man that supposedly killed 
> > his daughter and niece just seemed silly.

No.  There is a record of a phone call from Leland's office to the
Palmer residence, and there is no proof that it was Ben.  It could
have been Leland calling from Ben's office, and if Cooper were to ask
for a sworn statement from Leland, who knows what Leland would do?
No, the best option is to convince Leland/Bob that someone else will
be charged, which will give Cooper the chance to fool and catch Leland.

> > The final final scene.  Many people felt this was in poor taste.  I
> > do not agree with this assesment.  I think the person who said that coopers
> > "Is it any easier.."  line was meant to imply that it was hit the nail on
> > the head.  It is easier to believe this in the real world.  Twin peaks
> > though, who knows?

Actually, the statement from Cooper really fits into the previous
discussion on the what excerpt from the dialogue really describes the
atmosphere of the show.

tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes:

> >Clarence Williams III from MOD SQUAD?

Last time I saw Clarence Williams III, he blew out his brains in
Purple Rain.
--
John Carey
University of Illinois
Dept. of Computer Science
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mke@jove.cs.pdx.edu (Mike Miller) writes:

> > BOB,  I hope he's gone for the time being.  To assume that he's 
> > not is to underestimate the writters of this show.  
> > 
> > The future.  Somehow, I don't think we've seen the last of BOB,
> > Though I hope we get a rest from him.  Look for the spirit world to 
> > continue to play a big part.  


If you thnk that BOB is gone for the time being, I think you are 
sadly mistaking.   It is, unfortunately, the only other major "TIE" 
to the whole WKLP theme which has been the lifeStuff of TP.

BOB will continue to be a major episode to episode.

In article <21611@ttidca.TTI.COM> lester@ttidca.TTI.COM (jim) writes:

> >The coming attractions are not always what they seem.  Remember Waldo?
> >Perhaps when Shelly tells Bobby "he moved" she's referring to the baby
> >she's carrying (is it Bobby's or is it Mr. Nooshoos'?)

Two things:  
1) Shelly said "Bobby, Leo moved." 
2) When did *Shelly* get pregnant?  There has been no mention of this on the
   show.  And if she is, believe me no woman who is as slim as she is can 
   be carrying a baby large enough to be felt kicking.

I don't think that BOB will move into Leo.  That's too obvious, isn't it?
I hope that's not the case, Leo is frightening enough without BOB!

I still vote for BOB's next host to be Windham Earle.  I don't know why,
I just have a feeling.  I'm probably way off base!

Looking forward to Tomorrow Night!
Jennifer

In <1990Dec7.180812.12598@athena.mit.edu> jstahlhu@hstbme.mit.edu (Julie
 Kozaczka Stahlhut) writes:


> >enough of a head injury to die within minutes, and still be totally
> >Great Northern, his message to Diane implied that no one had ever shot him
> >before -- remember his line about "putting the fear out of your mind"?

 I dissagree that this is an implication that he's never been shot
before. I agree that he was probably knifed in Pittsburgh but the way he
described being knifed was more sounding of someone who might have been
shot before. In other words, I feel that maybe because he had been shot
before it was not impossible for him to put the fear out of his mind. But
it really doesn't matter, I agree that he was probably knifed, but I'm
not sure about him not ever being shot before.

                               Love and TICS KILLED BY SLUGS,
                                      Chris Coleman
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In article <1990Dec7.180812.12598@athena.mit.edu> jstahlhu@hstbme.mit.edu (Julie Kozaczka Stahlhut) writes:
> >I vote for Nadine as Bob's next host.  She's already mentally unbalanced,
> >and she has superhuman strength -- enough to wreak real mayhem if 
> >something sets her off.  So far, we know of Bob's causing only sex crimes

  Hmm, her mental unbalance has been played for laughs recently, not unlike
some recently deceased grey haired gentleman. Coincidence?



- Mark Cromwell

In article <16095@bfmny0.BFM.COM>, tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes:

|>  {lotso stuff removed...
|>                *  *  *
|> 
|> Who shot Cooper?  Does Cooper care?  Do we just dump that one on Leland
|> for grins, or is there someone else with a motive?
|> 
Just for the sake of discussion, do we *know* that we haven't seen Wyndham
Earle yet?  Many think that it was the MAG that shot Cooper, along with 
50 other theories.  But if Coop's ex-partner is a master of disguises, 
couldn't he still have been the one to pull the trigger?  I know this was
a theory that was bashed around for a short while, but then seemed to just
die away.  I had thought that WE was *discovered* missing the same night 
Cooper got shot.  Doesn't that mean it is still possible for him to be
the culprit?  Am I missing something obvious?  Or is it that the answer is
too obvious that we don't want to accept it?

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Disco Freak writes:
> > seems that a lot of you are saying that they didn't develope enough of the
> > owl concept, as if that is it to the story... maybe the writers just 
> > wrote it that way so to confuse everyone! I don't know. Maybe that is 
> > why they had the last scene with the owl because "what you did see was not
> > was it seems"...


Perhaps the writers or Lynch/Frost are not yet through with developing
this 'owls are not what they seem' concept?  The last scene with the
owl could be taken in any number of ways, ie, it's an open-ended scene.

However, one thing that caught my eye is the scene that immediately follows
the owl flying through the air scene... some person (Ed, Hank?) is shown
flying through the air..  Could there be a connection?  Nah, too obvious.

But if the woods are also not what they seem, then the owls would most
likely have to stay close by or remain in or around the area of Twin Peaks.  

I don't think we've seen the end of "BOB", as the character is much too
fascinating to simply throw away.  He may lie low for awhile and then sneak
his way back into the plot when we (supposedly) will least suspect it.

I think that Sarah knew about Leland's molestation of Laura.  Note the
way she reacted to Leland's comforting of Maddie in the scene where Maddie
told them she was leaving (a couple of episodes back).  I guess we'll
have to wait and see what Sarah has to say at Lelands wake/funeral (if
she says anything at all).  But I'm sure that someone will have told her
that it was Leland that killed both Laura and Maddie.

Wyat Earpe (oops!) Wyndom Earl should be an interesting addition to
the storyline.  Perhaps the reason he was in that asylum is due to his
being possessed by some entity like BOB?  This would help to explain 
why BOB knew about Cooper's troubles in Pittsburg.  But I think we'll have
to find out more about what really happened there before any conclusions
can be drawn on just who WE really is or represents.

Whether or not Leland was read his rights in the jail cell doesn't matter
now, because he died of self-inflicted injuries before it could become an
issue in any court of law.  He was also out on his own recognizance with
regard to the murder of Jacque Rennault (sp?) anyway, so would this not
have any bearing?  I too think that it was BOB that rammed Leland's head
into the jail cell's door.  The sudden water sprinkling was a plot device,
and even if the water hadn't turned on, Bob/Leland would have done or met
with the same end.  The water just added to the intensity of the scene.

Albert was subdued because of Cooper's intentions.  He may have also
received a reprimand from his boss and was simply being cool and collected.
If he is to come back in future episodes, I think more of his fun-loving
pernicious attitude will be back.


--    --
rj pietkivitchatt!ihlpa!rjp1

Who is the Mr. Zipper listed in the closing credits of 12/1 episode? The guy
that worked on the sprinkler system?

Someone said that we can't know if Leland and Maddie are blood relations.
They are not.  She is Sarah's niece and his by marriage.  Their last name is
Palmer and Maddie's was Ferguson.

On to other things...Did anyone else have any trouble playing the Twin Peaks
Soundtrack on a Sony Walkman?  It plays fine on my regular stereo, but the
walkman makes it sound even slower and more warped than usual.  I have tested
brand new batteries, other tapes and even put the tape in someone else's
walkman, but it still is slow...By the way, a fairly complete cast list is
included in the jacket of the tape.  The Killer Bob and Diane listings are
particularly funny...
                     Tracy, SUPA, CMU

jym@berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:

>> >> the Log Lady (oh, they seem to have forgotten about her, that's
>> >> right)...

> >Good heavens, we haven't seen her for Two! Whole! Episodes!
> >    Obviously she's been written out completely, right?

Actually, there's some truth in the first claim.  The Log Lady doesn't
seem to appear in many of the episodes that David Lynch didn't direct.
There are some notable exceptions (particularly the trek up to the log
lady's cabin), but for the most part we see her in Lynch's directions.
He seems to have some affinity for her character.

--
bvickers@ics.uci.edu |       "We cannot decide whether that which
brett@ucippro.bitnet |        we call truth is really truth or
_____________________|        whether it merely appears that way
                              to us."      - Heinrich von Kleist

In article <12014@sybase.sybase.com>, mysti@violet.sybase.com (Bookhouse Girl) writes:
>>> > >>Hmmm. That sounds far too similar to Kyle Maclachlan's story, which is 
>>> > >>exactly the same, with the exception that Kyle got a starring role. 
> > 
> > This must be an urban legend (I can't spell apocrophyl).  Kyle M. was
> > performing at the definitely not-small venue of Ashland Shakespeare
> > Festival (I've seen the program) sometime before 1983.  It's not
> > likely that he was on a small stage after that, is it?

I went to Ashland every summer from '78 to '82 and Kyle M. did the 1982
Ashland season.  He was Romeo in Romeo & Juliet, and was also in Julius
Ceasar.  This was his first national break (i.e. outside Seattle), and
the next year he was cast as Paul Atreides and began filming for that.
I still have the program for it, he hasn't changed much in 8 years.

I flew back on the same plane with him from Ashland (actually Medford) to
Seattle.  I was too chicken to ask for his autograph -- too bad huh?

Also, while I'm name dropping, a friend of mine works with Kyle's brother
at an accounting firm in Seattle.  We all dressed up as T.P characters
for Halloween, and she's forwarding these pictures via the brother to Kyle.
Maybe David Lynch will see them and want us to appear in some guest-
starring roles :-)

I'm at the point where I would kill or do anything for some PICT format
(mac startup screen) twin peaks graphics files.  If anyone has any
guidance, I'd really appreciate it.  Please respond via email because 
I have very limited news access.

thanks

Steve

Has anyone advanced the notion that BOB may have entered Audrey's
brother?  He seems as accessable as Leo and is somewhat forgotten of
late.

p_davis@epik.enet.dec.com (Peter Davis) writes:
> > whatever to start giving some answers.  Also, many of the things were simply
> > repeated, and not explained.  We still don't know what the gum is about, or w
> > the Man From Another Place is.
> > 
> > -pd


I got the impression that the gum was merely given as a marker, a 
landmark for Cooper. As for TMFAP is concerned, I like the idea that he 
is supposed to be Leland as he is without BOB, sort of a stunted type of 
soul. After all, BOB has evidently been in charge for quite some time 
now, and Leland wasn't exactly up to snuff as far as emotions go. 
Emotionally and mentally, he was a dwarf. This is shown by his excessive 
grief last season.
Where did Leland go when BOB took over? To another place. So we have the 
Dwarf. 

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"Mr. BOB, you've killed Theresa Banks,   *                Richard Barrett
 Laura Palmer, Jacques Renault, and      *             18004 146th Ave NE
 Maddy Ferguson. What are you going to   *          Woodinville, WA 98072
 do next?"                               *                (206)487-1312
"I'm going to Disneyland!"               *hikaru%halcyon.uucp@seattleu.edu
**************************************************************************

In article <kbLtyUe00awA4=kkVl@andrew.cmu.edu>, lp1p+@andrew.cmu.edu (Lynne D. Powell) writes...

> >In article <13700058@hpscdc.scd.hp.com>, bobk@hpscdc.scd.hp.com (Bob Kelley)
> >writes:
> ># I know of two films she was in :
> ># 
> ># Two Moon Junction (1987)
> ># Meridian (1990)
> > 
> >Wild at Heart

I don't know if anyone has mentioned the following:
Excerpted from January 1990 _Playboy_:
[  ] indicates paraphrasing.
"Before her Twin Peaks triumph...Sherilyn Fenn...bared her assets in a number of 
films.  [They are listed below with * indicating what you see of Sherilyn].
Crime Zone **
Meridian   ***
OUt of Control *
True Blood *
Two Moon Junction ****
The Wraith**

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tf1g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tracy Fluharty) writes:

> >Someone said that we can't know if Leland and Maddie are blood relations.
> >They are not.  She is Sarah's niece and his by marriage.  Their last name is
> >Palmer and Maddie's was Ferguson.

Not necessarily.  Perhaps Beth Ferguson is Leland's sister, in which case
Maddie would have to be related to Leland by blood.

--
bvickers@ics.uci.edu |       "We cannot decide whether that which
brett@ucippro.bitnet |        we call truth is really truth or
_____________________|        whether it merely appears that way
                              to us."      - Heinrich von Kleist

ccs008@dino.Ucdavis.EDU ( Disco Freak) writes:
> >
> >seems that a lot of you are saying that they didn't develope enough of the
> >owl concept, as if that is it to the story... maybe the writers just 
> >wrote it that way so to confuse everyone! 

Or maybe the damn series isn't over yet!




-- Tim Shippert shippert@tybalt.caltech.edu "If we are going to stick to this damned quantum-jumping, then I regret that I ever had anything to do with quantum theory." -E. Schrodinger

In article <MbKyC4K00jukFDNF0J@cs.cmu.edu> Jon.Webb@CS.CMU.EDU writes:
> >Here's a list of the things I think are unresolved after the 12/1 show:
> >
> >1) Who shot Cooper?  Probably Jean Renault, from the make of the gun,
> >out of revenge for Cooper's arrest of Jacques.  But he would've had to
> >get down to the Great Northern awfully quickly following the arrest of
> >Jacques to account for this.

Impossible, since Jean didn't find out about Cooper until Blackie
showed him the tape at OEJ. This happened after Cooper was shot.

Coop was shot with a Walther PPK. I don't recall anything about
Jean having a Walther. He did have a silenced automatic, but that
proves nothing. My money is still on Wyndham Earle.

> >2) Who attacked Jacoby?  Possibly Leland.  The burning smell Jacoby and
> >Maddy smelled points towards this.  But Leland would've probably
> >mentioned this before he died.  Also, it wasn't a Bob-style attack.  I
> >think it was a new character or someone else in the show who is
> >associated with Bob -- another one of the devil worshippers.

Possible, but the burning smell may be associated with other spirits.

Devil worshippers? What devil worshippers?

> >3) Sarah Palmer's possible association with Bob, her attack the night of
> >Maddy's murder, and her vision of the white horse.  Probably we'll learn
> >something about this next week, at Leland's wake.

Since Sarah didn't remember anything the next morning, what makes you
think she'll remember anything at the wake? If there is a wake.

It is an interesting question though. How could Sarah have been
married to Leland for nearly 20 years and not know about BOB, or
at least know that something was going on?

> >4) The Tremonds -- who are they, and are they responsible for Harold's
> >apparent suicide?  What caused Harold to become agoraphobic in the first
> >place?  Is there a coven of Devil worshippers in Twin Peaks, or what?

The Tremonds are good guys. They pointed Donna at Harold to bring
the secret diary out into the open. Harold committed suicide because
his last sanctuary had been defiled - by Donna and Maddy. He was
agoraphobic because the owls couldn't see him in there.

What devil worshippers?

> >5) Leo's association with Leland or Bob: he set up Laura and Ronette for
> >Leland/Bob's attack, by getting Jacques out of the way and then leaving
> >himself.

My guess is that Leo's connection with BOB is about to become much
stronger than it was before he got shot.

I don't think Leo had anything to do with Laura's murder. He liked
Laura as a playmate. Leland/BOB saw his chance when Leo left on a
booze/coke run.

> >6) Josie and her $5,000,000 check.

Catherine/Tojamura sent in a stop-payment order.

> >7) James's mom.

Still drunk and horny.

> >8) The whole Windham Earl thing.

Is going to be the next major arc, once they finish the Internal Affairs
investigation of Cooper and he is either acquitted or resigns from the
Bureau to battle the Evil in the Woods.

> >9) Cooper's boss's reference to some strictly hush-hush business he was
> >involved in nearby.

Probably the Wyndham Earle thing. Wyndham and his gang of owls broke
into Major Briggs' top secret galactic listening post and stole
Starfleet - uh - Air Force plans for a new SDI weapon with which
Wyndham plans to conquer the world.

You think I'm kidding? You'll be laughing out the other side of your
face six weeks from now.

> >10) Hank's involvement in Andrew's murder, and the meaning of the domino
> >symbolism.

Hank killed Andrew for $90,000 from Josie so she could inherit Andrew's
estate and turn the money over to her pimp/lover in Hong Kong. He very
cleverly avoided suspicion in the murder by getting himself nailed on
a manslaughter rap and doing 18 months in the slammer.

What domino worshippers?

-- Dave Mack

In article <631@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> jguy@lilith.EBay.Sun.COM (Jeff Bone) writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >I'm not usually one to complain because TP hasn't gone the way I
> >wanted it to, but I have to say that I'm very dissappointed in
> >Leland's apparent death, mostly because I feel the writers completely
> >missed the boat on a host of possible plotline extensions that would
> >have been very TP in character.
> >
> >By way of explanation, I've sketched out my ideas with some basic
> >scenes and images that would carry my plot along.  If you're not
> >really interested in reading total speculation, hit "N" now.
> >
> >
> >Here's how I might have handled the Leland developments from the time
> >of the sprinkler incident on --- let me know what you think:

Sorry, Jeff, but I'm glad the writers did it the way they did.
I, for one, am glad the Laura Palmer arc is over; twenty hours
was enough. I enjoyed it immensely. Some weekend, I'll drag out
the tapes and a bottle of good single malt and watch the whole
thing in one sitting, secure in the knowledge that when I watch
the next broadcast episode, the good (and bad) folks of TP will
be dealing with some other set of problems.

-- Dave Mack

In article <obM07my00Uh-E2Xn1c@andrew.cmu.edu> tf1g+@andrew.cmu.edu (Tracy Fluharty) writes:
> >Someone said that we can't know if Leland and Maddie are blood relations.
> >They are not.  She is Sarah's niece and his by marriage.  Their last name is
> >Palmer and Maddie's was Ferguson.
> >
> >                     Tracy, SUPA, CMU

That does not make necessarily make Maddy from Sarah's side of the
family.  Leland could have a sister (Beth) who married a man with the last
name Ferguson which would give Maddy her name.

The other possibilities are that Sarah's maiden name is Ferguson
and she has a brother who married Beth and give birth to Maddy.  Or Sarah's
maiden name is not Fergeson and she has a sister Beth who married someone
with the last name Ferguson.

Speaking of Maddy, what are they going to do with her now?  Are they
even gonna announce it to the town?  I hope they tell her parents at least.
I suppose they would have a funeral in Missoula, Montana since there are 
only three people (living) in Twin Peaks who knew her well.  Gee, Sarah 
is in for double funeral duty.

-The Disco Strangler