Season 2, Episode 11: Masked Ball — December 15, 1990–January 11, 1991

In article <276915D8.3634@ics.uci.edu> bvickers@trocadero.ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes:
> >
> >On a local radio station in Los Angeles, they got Jack Nance, Kimmy
> >Robertson, Dana Ashbrook, and Kyle MacLachlan together to sing a
> >twist on the "12 Days of Christmas."  I thought it was great, so
> >I'll post the last refrain (all 12 days) with the singer's name to
> >the right of the line he/she sung:

WHAT radio station?
-- John Kupec, Systems Manager Agouron Pharmaceuticals, Inc. La Jolla, CA (619) 535-5540 jwk@scripps.edu or uunet!agouron!kupec

In article <27694EB2.28548@ics.uci.edu> bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes:
> >The radio station is KROQ, 106.7 FM in Los Angeles.  And Twin Peaks
> >characters tend to show up irregularly on the morning show, anywhere
>from 7 to 10 am.
> >Can't wait to here BOB on Monday...

Heh. Here in Milwaukee, on WKTI, they've interviewed Sheryl
Lynn/laura/maddie, and they've got her doing a house ad for their morning
team, Bob and Gene. It goes something like this:

"Hi, this is sheryl Lynn, Laura Palmer from Twin Peaks, and you're
listening to Gene Mueller on WKTI. I know he has a partner, but I just have
a problem with guys named Bob...."


I guess you had to be there.

-- A little bit of uh huh and a whole lot of oh yeah. T. Flynn 2967 N Oakland Ave #300 Milwaukee WI 53211/(414)962-0129/(414)229-5370

Well, here goes: my "debut post" Will someone write me an email
note that says weather or not this worked?  I'll be logged on
all day working on my thesis (gag).  I am interested in the
many and various theories about the origin of BOB, and the
occult, forensic debate.  I offer a few thoughts, though not
as insightful now that I've seen the 12/8 episode.  I wrote
this last saturday morning, but finals postponed my attempt
to send it to you all. I'm looking forward to tonite's
show,  I would like to see a few plot lines tied up, They
are: Who shot Cooper?
Why is no one mourning Maddy except the teen
junior g-people D and J?
Is Audrey gonna sleep with Bobby?
(What a mistake that would be for miss horn)
Is Leo faking it?
(by the way, I am convinced that it was
Leo outside the window while Josie and HST
were fooling around on that couch-Look closely VCR owners.)
Is the episode in Pittsburgh related to the letters
under the finger-nail murders.

FROM HERE ON IT IS A WEEK OLD. . .STILL SOME IDEAS.
The owls thing is the next big issue in my opinion.
The spirits must use the
owls to jump in and out of as temporary vehicles.
I must admit, I was one of
the resistant ones with the spirit/supernatural stuff.
I wanted to have the
style of TP, which I consider to be reflective of REAL
societal ills (domestic
violence, incest, infidelity, drug abuse, white collar
crimes-embezzlement and
insider trading, insurance fraud, prostitution, murder of course, mental
illness, racism--virtually no blacks in the cast, and the
stray native american
comment, etc. . .) to match the motivation of the murderer.
In other words,
Lynch is using realism in his depiction of violence (like the
camera work)
to mirror the reality of what's happening
in the american
living room.  The murder of LP ought to, in the logic of the narrative
form,
echo the origins of these societal ills.
The themes of the subplots would logically
relate to the overall plot.  Realism/realism
NOT realism/hobgoblins.
The super natural thing then
takes
the responsibility of these horrors away from
individuals and gives it to the
devil or whatever mean spirit you envision.
I wanted it to turn out that there
was a conspiracy over the border in Canada,
and the water was being contaminated
with a hallucinatory drug, or that the doctor
was drugging the town slowly
but surely, and feeding some sick sadistic thrill
he gets from it (I thought of
this after watching five episodes in one day and
noticing at least five
references about the hospital food-and the doctor's
insistence and persistence
tthat everyone eat it.)  Or that Ben Horn had Sarah, and Leland hooked on
heroin like Blackie, and that the two of them were
responsible for LP's murder.
Something that was earthbound.  To me, a wierd, but
empirically verifiable
solution would have made more sense to the overall
emphasis on true-to-life
tragedies in American life.

The observation about the spiralling
nastiness of the bad guys is fascinating.
(Reference to an observation by Kathleen Hunt
e-mail note)  She sez: That every bad guy is
surpassed by another even worse guy.
I think you are right on with that idea.
I guess the meaner they get the more
the supernatural theme will have to be developed
because if following the logic
of the narrative, the meanest guy will be the ring
leader of the spirits.  Will
GOD/BUDDHA/or the high diety of your choice be the
COOPER in the end?  See what
I'm getting At? The extreme development of the narrative
now has to be either
between the bad spirit and the good spirit,
or the bad spirit and the Cooperesque good human who is driven by the
good spirit.  Well, anyway it will have some
closure of that type eventually.

TWINS! I've got some more for you,
they may not be original, but I havent'
been on the NET too long.
1.Hawk's Brandeis girl friend is Diane/Cooper's Diane
2.Incest: almost Ben/audrey and Laura/Leland
3. Audrey smoking in the closet while
listening to the hooker finder guy's
talk with the Only Black cast member-that young woman with unicorn. Who
wouldn't smell that damn cigarette?
AND Leland and the cigar as he pretends
to leave the bedroom of Audrey the shy prostitute.
Who wouldn't smell that
damn cigar?
4. Nadine and Leland as dancers
5. References to Hair: Laura/Maddy,Leland/Leland,
Norma's mom's husband and
Hank's comment that he likes the new color, Gwen
and Lucy same style, the first
episode of the season donna's hair was so obviously longer
(the hiatus was not
covered up-intentionally so?), Many of the cast members have
dark hair, did you
notice that?  Few light haired folks.
6.The beginning of two sequences
are the blinding shot of a flashbulb-when the
investigators are at the sight of leo johnson's
shooting, and when they find
Harold Smith.
THERE MUST BE MORE!
Oh yeah! Gwen/Lucy as mommies.

Twilight Zone camera angles:
a fellow TP fan pointed out to me that the angles
resembled the angles that the saw takes
in the beginning sequence of every
episode.  This to me may be a link between
the OWLS and the logging industry.
Isn't it true that out your way there is a
big controversy about the loss of
nesting grounds for owls?  Could Lynch be
creating a show that dramatizes the
revvenge these creatures could take if they had supernatural powers?
How stupid that would be, but it seems as plausible
as some other theories.

WELL, I'M ANXIOUS TO JOIN THE TP CLUB.  PLEASE
SEND ANY RULES OF COMPUTER TP ETIQUETTE IF ANY. LISA

Tonight, after the show, there was a story on the local news here in Philly
about Frost comming for a visit to do research on the upcomming biography
of Agent Cooper.  It seems that they've decided that Coop grew up in 
Germantown in the 60's (one of the more historic sections of Philly
- was once the nation's capital for a while!)

Coop "went" to Germantown Friends School - a fairly well known prep school, and
Frost visited the place and met with some old teachers (from the era!) to find
out how GFS would have affected Cooper.

Frost explaned what a "literate" audience TP has, how we're "readers" (ie.
they can suck us into buying TP books!)  He told the reporter that it is
unlikely that the past they are creating for Cooper will show up much in the 
show, and that they probably won't have any "flashbacks" to Philadelphia!

The segment ended with Frost driving off in a limo eating an authentic Philly
cheestake!

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Bob NooneUniversity of Pennsylvania School of Medicine
NOONE_R@A1.MSCF.UPENN.EDU

I have struggled for a mere moment to attempt to put into words my
feelings about this newest of episodes of Twin Peaks.

It was like no other episode I've seen yet, in a disappointing way. 
Perhaps it was the total lack of spirtuality on Bob's part, and the total lack
of interesting characterization on Cooper's, Audrey's or any other main
character's part.

I _do_ feel however that we are being set up for two falls-- the lesser
of the two being spiritual and obvious, as Hawk pointed out that there's a
confrontation coming up; this one will be "resolved" through spirituality. 
Odd, though, that Lynch (or whomever is in control) makes this fall and related
terror seem so insignificant compared to the many aspects of the latter fall--
all the parts of the "human" side of the Evil that Peakers do-- Andrew Packard
is alive, Hank is, as usual, up to no good, Bobby might be getting in some
trouble, Cooper's trouble with drugs, the mounties, and Denise-- are far worse
than the spirits that inhabit the woods.

I feel that Cooper must confront and resolve the spiritual issue.  It
must be done with style, and must be reasonably in-depth.

However, the exceedingly annoying set-ups (Packard, drugs, the
introduction of Denise, who must be reasonably important to garner such
interest) have loomed weave upon woof (ooh, what impressive word-play!) of
impossible situations-- for Lynch/Frost/Peyton to resolve these issues will
require _totally_ amazing writing and directing, of which I believe not even
those three are capable.  Will there be a human scum<->spirit scum tie in? 
What does Bob have to do with all this, eh?

-- David Konerding, Wesleyan University DKONERDING@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU "I have a cause: obscenity. I'm for it." -- Tom Lehrer

I like some of these new plots -- Andrew's revival was unexpected.

I think TP's current problem is that as it becomes more diverse in plots 
and subplots, people realize that Twin Peaks is, and always has been, a
Soap Opera.  Yes, it's "shot with a film-maker's eye", and it has lots of
unique imagery, but besides that?  It's a soap.  I don't think we can expect
a "grand unification" of every subplot -- Cooper's troubles with Windom Earle
have (and will have) nothing to do with the Packard subplot, and none of those
will deal with Nadine or James either. I don't mind this much.

It was interesting to see Hawk and Truman's reactions to Denise.  I don't
think cross-dressing is a usual thing in Twin Peaks. :)  I wonder if we'll
see more of Dougie's wife. She seemed interested in Cooper for some reason.

Well, this will be the last episode I can really post about this year --
over all, it's been interesting seeing the discussion about the show.  I don't
know how I would view the show without the net pointing out what I missed,
telling me about references to shows/movies I hadn't seen, and so on.  I'm
curious to know what happens next, both on and off screen for Twin Peaks, I
hope ABC feels that the audience is desireable enough to survive the lower
ratings.

Michael Lee

-- "Everyday, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it just let it happen. It could be a new shirt from the men's store, a cat nap in your office chair, or two cups of hot black coffee." - Agent Dale Cooper, TP

First off, I'll say that I enjoyed the 12/15 episode quite a bit (I was
rather fed up after watching the 12/1 episode).  Anyhow, I noticed the
appearance of a Mac Portable (apparently running Microsoft Word (ick))
which was displaying a text file relating to the investigation of Dale
Cooper.  Now, I couldn't quite make out the text using my VCR, but I'm
pretty certain that there's a date in the file which says "October 27,
1990" (which, in the context of the file, seemed to be referring to the
current date).  In any case, I do know that a previous episode did show
a hospital chart with a February 1989 date, and, while the year has been
under some debate in this newsgroup, hadn't we established the month
as being February?

Blue

Thanks for the responses to my awkwardness with posting. I
know I succeeded, and how to tell I got through.  I could
have just pulled up alt.tv.twin-peaks--stupid, huh?

"leland palmer"...

could anyone read the rest of the headline seen at the r&r?

i watched a prerecorded video cassette, so the resolution was degenerated to thepoint where the rest couldn't be made out.


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A local Philadelphia TV station on the 11:00 news after Twin Peaks announced
that TP co-producer Frost had been visiting the area doing research on the life
of Agent Dale Cooper.  Cooper, apparently is a '73 graduate of the Germantown
Friends School and grew up in the area.  Frost and crew interviewed school staff
on the climate of the school then, and toured the area to get a sense of his
roots. Coming soon to a book shelf besides the Jennifer Lynch Laura Palmer
Diary:  "Agent Cooper: His Life and Tapes."??

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Dan Oberst
Cikgu Din di rumah ku.
'Dok buat guapa, Mat Salleh?

Could someone email me the 'Bookwus' article? I
missed it during the Great University of Waterloo Alt
Group Famine (BOB possessed one of our provosts).

James Nicoll

In article <1990Dec16.183546.9058@javelin.es.com>, tpehrson@javelin.es.com (Tim
Pehrson) says:
> >
> >"leland palmer"...
> >
> >could anyone read the rest of the headline seen at the r&r?
> >


I believe the headline said "leland Palmer laid to rest", which would make
sense since his wake was the previous day

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Re: 12/15

- The headline read "Leland Palmer Laid To Rest".  
  By the way, did anyone ever figure out who the third 
  man was whose semen was found in LP?

- Evelyn Marsh - If Jeffrey's possessions are all 
  perfect, why can't he spring for a little minor 
  cosmetic dentistry?

- What music did James play at Wally's?  Must have 
  had some significance re: Donna or Laura.

- It would seem that the robed figure at the end of 
  12/8 was the "Dweller on the Threshold.

- The friendship between Coop and Denise was well-played 
  and shows promise.  Note the "rimshot" after Denise 
  tells Coop he's touching on a "delicate area" and 
  confides that he's been "getting in touch with (his) 
  feelings".

- Norma telling Ernie to go back to Seattle, when she 
  was clearly, IMHO, on to him, was a nice touch.

- Andy - *Great* fall.  More!!!

- Ben - What was in that stogie?  What a great scene!   
  Note the cigar in little Ben's mouth in the movie.  I 
  was kinda sorta hoping that the other kid was Leland 
  but I think it was Jerry.  Hank's delivery of 
  "You're out Ben" was so great.

- Upcoming scene - Shelley Long as the young Catherine 
  in a flashback with Pete at Pearl Lakes.

lilj (WELL)

lilj@well.sf.ca.us (Joshua Neil Rubin) writes:

> >Re: 12/15

> >- Ben - What was in that stogie?  What a great scene!   
> >  Note the cigar in little Ben's mouth in the movie.  I 
> >  was kinda sorta hoping that the other kid was Leland 
> >  but I think it was Jerry.  Hank's delivery of 
> >  "You're out Ben" was so great.

Did anyone besides me think they heard something unusual in Ben's
voice the second tome he repeated 'You're out'?  Hey, maybe there's a
conspiracy of silen

> >lilj (WELL)

-- spcoltri@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (129.15.22.2) "We're not a hundred percent sure. The interpreter went with them."

Hmm.  I just checked the tv listings for Denver and Boulder...looks
like another TP-less week.  Pro football from 6-9 pm, with a MacGyver
episode at nine.  Oh, joy and rapture.

I didn't see a "In Two Weeks" notice on the preview, tho.

(MacGyver????)
-- - Barry L. "It is happening again" Gingrich bgingric@nyx.cs.du.edu

The _Utne Reader_ Jan/Feb 1991 issue has an article entitled
"Is David Lynch Creepier Than His Movies?" by Laurie Ouellette
that attempts to link DL's conservative politics and the nasty
things that seem to happen to people (particularly women) in 
his films.

Some short excerpts (from a short article...):

"The demons in Lynch's imagination jibe well with neo-conservative paranoia..."
(originally in _City Pages_)

"The poor get locked out of their jobs, get tossed out of their homes,
 get shot by stray bullets, at the rate of once a day; and the college-
 educated play at wanting to be disturbed" (Originally in _The Nation_)

"Maybe we should be grateful that Lynch empties the contents of his 
 murky, endlessly inventive head into film and not into public office."
 (originally in _LA Weekly_)

-- - Barry L. Gingrich bgingric@nyx.cs.du.edu

mig@beach.csulb.edu (Mig Gomez) writes:
> >
> >I wonder how they celebrate Christmas in Twin Peaks?

Oh boy!  I can't wait!  Can we have a Twin Peaks Christmas Show?  You
know, I bet BOB would make a pretty awesome looking Santa, but perhaps
we should give that job to Katherine, expert as she is at disguise;
Santa might be a large personality stretch for BOB.

Bob COULD play the Grinch, though.  And, NADINE as Mrs. Claus, and
Audrey as the head elf (Santa's Workshop would be quite a place)!

Just fanatasizing...
--
Here there      / || \         / || \     "Government is for slaves;  Free men
be trolls.   /    ||    \   /    ||    \   govern themselves." --Unknown.
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rhalonen@nmsu.edu ||             ||        Robert Halonen,  New Mexico Yooper

Just a guess. Since the chick that is hitting on James just
recently drove her car off the road... and that is something we
glimpsed in BOB's famous exit scene... perhaps she is BOB's
new host.

If this is true, then an amusing parallel would be the male BOB
taking residence in a female host at the same time as a transvestite
character is introduced.

                                         - Ed K

Ok, this is really gonna be weird (what else is new?). Anyway after the
12/15 show when Saturday Night Live came on (With Dennis Quaid) I was
running a slight fever due to a stomach flu. My girlfriend was watching
with me and she verifies that around 12:35 either before or after the
Neville Bros. second number, Saturday Night Live ran a 40's style bunch
of fake Christmas commercials with a fake 40's Christmas special. What I
spotted in one of these fake commercials was a drunken Santa holding the
midget who played the man from another place. He was also singing in a
group at the end of the segment. The weird part was that all the elements
of his appearance on the show fit a dream that I had last year. Anyway, I
need to know if anyone else saw this, or can watch the part again if they
have it taped. Thanks a hell of a lot. 
                                Chris
-- There's the one-armer now! ........................David Lynch (as Gordon Cole) Phppt! New shoes. .................................................Leo Johnson Mcmcmcmcmcmcmcmcmcmc... DIE! ....................................Chris Coleman Chris Coleman ........................................clc5_ltd@cc.rochester.edu

Ciao--

Well as many assumed last year old Andrew is not dead. Now what I am wondering
is:

1) Could Andrew be the "angel" which Catherine told Harry about. Now what I mean
is that she all along thought that Andrew WAS dead. Now after the fire, a 
disorientated Catherine did end up in the woods. Now some how she arrived at
their old family cabin, wherein she found a very much alive Andrew. Thus
part of her story to Harry was true, only thing was that she left out the part
that the person who helped her was Andrew and not a ghost.

2) The more likely thing is that she knew all along that Andrew wasn't dead.
That the two had been plotting something big all along. Somehow the GhostWood
thing is part of it but only a small portion, and the big game is Mr. Eckert.
If she and Andrew were planning something for the past 18+ months it would
thus make since that she was able to get the large money order so quickly.

3) Now if she and Andrew had planned the thing all along did he just survive
the murder attempt, and thus the two have been planning their revenge?
Or what if they payed Hank off, and he faked Andrew's murder. He got payed
by both the Packards and Josie. He in fact still could be tied up with
the Packard's thus betraying Josie and Ben....

So what do you think is up, which theory if any is correct?



Sally A. Wilson             || But you never know what can happen...
    || at the last minute...I mean I may
sally@berkeley.mica.edu     || actually think of something here;
         || and if I do you just watch out!

Ciao--


Somehow I missed the TP version of the 12 Days of Christmas.
Can some kind soul email me the lyrics and adding which
character sang which verse.

Thanks in Advance...

Sally



Sally A. Wilson             || But you never know what can happen...
    || at the last minute...I mean I may
sally@berkeley.mica.edu     || actually think of something here;
         || and if I do you just watch out!

In my San Jose newspaper the listing for next Saturday shows
"Columbo:  Fade in to Murder" on ABC from 9:30 to 11 PM.  Is
this happening everywhere?  We're not going to miss an episode,
are we?

--  maggie

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In article <70826@bu.edu.bu.edu> kearns@buphy.BU.EDU (Ed Kearns) writes:
> >Just a guess. Since the chick that is hitting on James just
> >recently drove her car off the road... and that is something we
> >glimpsed in BOB's famous exit scene... perhaps she is BOB's
> >new host.

That's what I thought until I saw her car.  The car in the last scene
of the 12/1 episode was in much poorer shape than hers was.

--
bvickers@ics.uci.edu |       "We cannot decide whether that which
brett@ucippro.bitnet |        we call truth is really truth or
_____________________|        whether it merely appears that way
                              to us."      - Heinrich von Kleist

pjc@mtunf.att.com (Pamela Culbreth) writes:

> > Major Briggs says something like: "There is more on heaven and earth
> > than is dreamt of in our philosophy".
> >
> > Maybe this has been discussed before, but where is this quote from?

The quote is:   "There are more things in heaven and earth, than are
dreamt of in your philosophy Horatio."

I believe Willie Shakespeare stole this line from a Greek Tragedian.

All iterations of this line basically have the same meaning:  any
attempt to rationally grasp the larger realities of life fail due to
the latter's inherent ineffability.

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TWIN PEAKS AUTISTIC CHAINSAW GAZETTE headlines:

Major Burns Goes AOWL

Windom Earle Goes Batty

Food Critic Says Diner Food's FOWL

Mike Has KnOWLedge of BOB's Whereabouts

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Hello peakies all over the world!

Someone on some film-newsgroup (I can't remember which) said that Pete Martell is the same actor who played the lead in Eraserhead. 
I find this hard to believe, as Pete Martell looks 50 years old, and Henry looks 20 years old. But they do look the same, could it be father and son?

                  Vidar
     "Well Henry, what do you know?"
"...oh...I don't know much about anything..."
               ERASERHEAD

In article <47425@apple.Apple.COM>, scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass) writes:
> > In my San Jose newspaper the listing for next Saturday shows
> > "Columbo:  Fade in to Murder" on ABC from 9:30 to 11 PM.  Is
> > this happening everywhere?  We're not going to miss an episode,
> > are we?

My TV listing says there's going to be a football game next Saturday night.

-Tim

In article <47425@apple.Apple.COM>, scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass) says:
> >
> >In my San Jose newspaper the listing for next Saturday shows
> >"Columbo:  Fade in to Murder" on ABC from 9:30 to 11 PM.  Is
> >this happening everywhere?  We're not going to miss an episode,
> >are we?
i looked in the tv-guide for my area (Penn Stat and a football
game is in the twin-eaks time slot.  Anyone else...is    is just a
few areas, or is this everywhere?
ena e

Actually, it was Scott Frost, the writer, and not Mark Frost, the
co-producer, who visited Philadelphia to do research for the book
about Dale Cooper.
--
                                Robert S. Sutor
                      
Department of Mathematics                       Computer Algebra Group          
Princeton University                            Mathematical Sciences Department

In article <28781@usc>, marks@skat.usc.edu (Louise Marks) says:
> >
> >The Mountie is working for Jean Renault.  I doubt there was a sting
> >operation at all--that story was for the benefit of the FBI.

That was no Mountie!  RCMP officers do not  wear those silly uniforms
when on official duty, only at ceremonial functions or at tourist
sites (they wear very stylish brown tunics with black pants :>) ).
I was waiting for him to start singing "I'll be seeing you, ooooooo"
They would never be refered to as "Mountie whatever his name was".  The
RCMP is a paramilitary police force, a sort of combination FBI/CIA.
He would have been either inspector or major.  I hope this whole scene
was either the writers' sense of humour or a clue that this chap was
not a mountie.

This is probably nitpicking, but as a Canadian I have been constantly
amused at the misinformation on this show regarding this country.
For example if Twin Peaks is in Washington state, the province north
of the border would be British Columbia often referred to as the last
enclave of the British Empire (ie. they still hold high tea at the
Empire Hotel in Victoria).  Not exactly a bastion for French Canadians,
yet everyone at OEJs appeared French. Renault was referred to as a king pin
in the Territories - was this supposed to be the North West Territories
(which are hundreds of miles north of Washington state and have a
very small population)?  Not much to be a king pin of.
Why not say he was in charge of Vancouver's drug trade.  Vancouver is
reported to be a main gateway for Asian drugs into both Canada and
the US. (They could even tie in Josie since Vancouver also has a very
high Asian population).

Like I said it is nitpicking, but I really get tired of American
television stereotyping Canada.  This is not a country filled with people
who speak with poor french accents nor is it a land of snow, indians
and police officers wearing red uniforms and silly hats.  If it is not
important enough to get the facts correct, don't use the country in
the plot.

Anyway I was glad to see in the 12/15 show, they referred to the
mountie as RCMP officer whatever.  On the whole I found the latest
episode a return to the earlier style of writing and production and
an improvement over the last few (IMHO).




LINDA

PS: In typical Canadian fashion, I apologize if I offended anyone :>)

"Agent Cooper, the problems of our entire society are of a sexual nature"

Here is a note to all of you out there who are wondering about the TP
Christmas schedule.  There isn't one.  The TV network that carries TP
in Canada made an announcement at the end of the 12/15 epsiode, saying 
that the show would be gone for 2 weeks.  This means next Saturday, and
the Saturday after it.  After this TP is supposed to come back to its
regular day and time.  This may change, or may only be valid in Canada,
but the announcer said that it was because of American Network programming,
so I would guess that we are all out of luck for two weeks.

vik

--
" Ooooh .... Big Woo "
Suzanne Sugarbaker upon shooting Anthony Bouvier

As a member of the AH?tic lodge, things and plots
begin to look familiar.
Any other O.A. members out there?
What is the current population count of T.P?
Is it going to be like Cabot Cove with a declining population?
What is the current population,  anyone know?
I don?t think Tibetian lore has anything to do with the plot.
We should pay closer attention to Native American beliefs ,lore
and teaching of the ways.
We are one with nature, the path is to be chosen.
Spirits are in all nature, etc.
I propose that Hawk and the sheriff are "brothers".
[Not of the physical nature?]
(Pay attention to the look of surprise (disgust) when Cooper
mentioned the Major [the eagle] revealing the White Lodge
too soon.). Don?t forget the merit badges.
Leland may also have been a misguided "brother",
being that he made his decision as a young ( 13 to 20 yrs. of age.)
boy. Think about how things were in to 50? to the early 70?s.
before the anti-para-military movement.

Dennis/Denise was the funniest subplot they've come up with yet.  Hawk's
comment was a classic, "It's a good color for him."  My roommate and I
laughed for a good ten minutes.

Ben and his home movie were very touching.  

The only thing that disappointed me this week is that I wasn't left in
total confusion.  Everything made sense.  Sigh!  

Twin Peaks will be on in DC next week.

--Cool Bean  
-- **This is not cultural.

In article <1990Dec17.104253.6535@hod.uit.no>, vidarh@stud.cs.uit.no (Vidar Hanssen) writes:
> >  
> > Someone on some film-newsgroup (I can't remember which) said that Pete 
> > Martell is the same actor who played the lead in Eraserhead.  I find this 
> > hard to believe, as Pete Martell looks 50 years old, and Henry looks 20 
> > years old. But they do look the same, could it be father and son?
> > 
They are one and the same.  Jack Nance is the actor's name, and the
   years have not been particularly kind to him.  He is a David Lynch reg-
   ular, appearing in _Dune_ (I beleive he was the Baron's secretary) as 
   well as _Blue Velvet_ (as a member of Dennis Hopper's gang).  He may 
   have popped up in _Wild At Heart_, too, but I don't remember.

  [Eric Yeater, whom the Public Broadcasting Service is not responsible for]

In article <47425@apple.Apple.COM>, scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass) writes:
> > In my San Jose newspaper the listing for next Saturday shows
> > "Columbo:  Fade in to Murder" on ABC from 9:30 to 11 PM.  Is
> > this happening everywhere?  We're not going to miss an episode,
> > are we?
> > 
Global carries TP here in Ontario and they announced that the next episode
would be shown on January 5.
Mikael

In article <1990Dec17.104253.6535@hod.uit.no> vidarh@stud.cs.uit.no (Vidar Hanssen) writes:

> >Someone on some film-newsgroup (I can't remember which) said that
> >Pete Martell is the same actor who played the lead in Eraserhead. 
> >I find this hard to believe, as Pete Martell looks 50 years old, and 
> >Henry looks 20 years old. But they do look the same, could it be
> >father and son? 

No, it's Henry--Jack Nance, to be precise.  He's aged some since
"Eraserhead" obviously.  How long has it been since it was shot,
fifteen years?  Ten?  And they can do great things with makeup.

Catherine Coulson (the Log Lady) was also in "Eraserhead", strapped to
a bed.  Perhaps this is one for the FAQL?

-- * Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 * "Become FUEL, you FOSSILS!" --Ambush Bug

Interesting allusion (either on purpose or not...)  When WE sent Cooper
the next chess move he said "... the king must die..."   There is a book
about the myth of minator and the labrynith called The King Must Die. 
The author of the book is Mary *Renault*.  Any relation to Jean/Jacque? 
This is not a trashy novel.  We read it my high school honors literature
class.

If only Lynch et al knew how much every word was analyzed on this TV show...

P.S. Anyone watch Witches of Eastwick last night?  Recognize Fidel? (The Giant)

MJS Brandeis '89

fond Good-Bye and Happy Holidays, DiarMuid.

But I still think that TP is highly Shakespearian.

In article <90351.090415JMN101@psuvm.psu.edu>, JMN101@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

> > i looked in the tv-guide for my area (Penn Stat and a football
> > game is in the twin-eaks time slot.  Anyone else...is    is just a
> > few areas, or is this everywhere?
> > ena e

Chicago too!!  TP listed as pre-empted due to football!

Call up your ABC affiliate now!

****************************************************************
* Greg Sandell (sandell@ils.nwu.edu)          Evanston, IL USA *
* Institute for the Learning Sciences, Northwestern University *
****************************************************************

Okay, so I'm a Twin Peaks nut...I rented John Wayne's movie,
THE SEARCHERS, just so I could see the old man (room service
waiter) from Twin Peaks in it.

Contrary to what an earlier posted indicated, he does not say
"I've heard about you," or give the thumbs-up sign to anybody.
Although he's younger, his facial mannerisms are recognizable,
and he delivers his lines similarly.  His role in The Searchers
was purely for comic relief in an otherwise serious movie,
and he plays a kind of lovable villiage-idiot role.  A few of
his lines were very much like "I've heard about you" in their 
I'm-an-out-of-it-goofball way.  His recurring theme throughout
the movie is that all he ever wants in life is to have on a rocking 
chair on a porch to enjoy ("resume whittling," as Albert would
say)...which, of course, he gets by the end of the movie.  Another
scene is at a bar where a Mexican gentleman buys everybody
a drink.  John Wayne is earnestly listening to the news from the
gentleman, while our friend is hamming it up over his free drink,
having seconds, etc., real stereotypical stuff.

All told, I don't think it's exciting enough to rent, but if you
want to do so just to see the old man (what's the actor's name,
anyway?), here are the times in hours:minutes:seconds where he
appears.  I reset my counter to 00:00:00 at the physical start
of the tape, which was a Warner Bros. Home Video.

0:12:18   (good line for MacRecord-ing here)
0:12:48
0:13:40
0:17:56
0:23:57
0:27:00
0:27:47
0:32:26
0:34:00
0:34:42
0:35:27
1:18:41  (lots here)
1:45:40  (lots here)
1:58:25  (gets his rocking chair)

- Greg
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* Greg Sandell (sandell@ils.nwu.edu)          Evanston, IL USA *
* Institute for the Learning Sciences, Northwestern University *
****************************************************************

Major spoilers if you didn't see the 12/15 episode!



Well, we now all know that Catherine's angel was none other than her
brother Andrew.  But here's a question to open reams of useless
speculation: did Catherine know of her brother's non-death before
the mill fire?

I think not, given the volume of material that would have to be
sacrificed to the continuity gods.  "Pete, I have no where left
to turn!", etc.

And here's a question for the legal eagles in the crowd: Andrew Packard
was presumably declared dead, allowing Josie to inherit the mill.  (This
can happen is less than seven years, I believe, even without a body if
there is good reason to suspect that death has occurred.)  What happens now
that he's back?  Does he get his mill back?  (This is moot, of course, if
he is in cahoots with Catherine.)

And, still, why did Catherine shell out $5 mil for the mill when she got Ben
to sign through blackmail?  Are we really to believe that the check was a
forgery?

-- =============================================================================== Malcolm Austin -- maus@fid.morgan.com #include "disclaimer.h"

If you haven't seen 12/17, don't read this.





Regarding the 12/17 episode:

What I liked:

-Denise Bryson. Who is the actor playing her? He's doing a great job.
I have new respect for Coop, seeing how he handled this situation
and wanted to stay friends with Denise.

-Andy and Dick playing Big Brother, seeing who has the more finely
honed paternal instincts. Poor Nicky, being "parented" by those
two. . .:-)

-Nadine's chasing of Mike. Her casual leg-pumping of 600 pounds
while coyly looking at him was hilarious, as was his stricken look
when she was invited to join the wrestling team.

-Ben and Hank. Especially with Ben watching the movie of the opening
of the Great Northern. Nice touch when he kissed the image of his
mother. I have a feeling that Ben's warning to Hank about
"dancing with the devil" is going to haunt Hank, when Jean 
finally screws hm over. . .

-Catherine's crushing of Josie. The rotten Catherine from the beginning
of the first season is back, and I love her! And the surprise ending. . .

What I didn't like:

-The Milford brothers feuding. I haven't really been given a reason
to care about this storyline.

-The rather uninterested way Truman and Cooper are responding to
Major Briggs' disappearence. Shouldn't the military be concerned 
that one of their own is missing? 

-I had been saying last week that I thought James should either
get a new storyline or get nuked. Well, he got a new storyline.
Undoubtedly, Evelyn Marsh will want to provide him with more
than room and board. Possibly a Lynch version of "The Graduate"?
("Cucucachu, Mrs. Robinson, I mean Marsh. . .") :-) I did like
the music used when James was on his bike, though. . .

Jeff


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In article <1990Dec17.102131.11046@pbs.org> mpax@pbs.org writes:
> >Dennis/Denise was the funniest subplot they've come up with yet.  Hawk's
> >comment was a classic, "It's a good color for him."  My roommate and I

I thought he said "It's a good cover for him".

Hardeep.


-- Hardeep Johar He is Bob, eager for fun. Look at him smiling, Everybody run.

/ hpopd:alt.tv.twin-peaks / macaulay@j.cc.purdue.edu (Monica Macaulay) /  5:31 am  Dec 16, 1990 /

> > 3. Someone said something about how Major Briggs is so together
> > (can't remember the word they used)... didn't he lose it in one
> > early scene in the first season - that great scene where the
> > Briggs family is at dinner and Bobby lights up a cigarette.  I
> > remember thinking his calm manner was something of a front.  But
> > we've never seen that side of him again.

I thought that Major Briggs remained calm when he hit Bobby (knocking the
cigarette out of his mouth - the cigarette planting itself in Mrs Briggs
dinner). I liked that scene so much because of the explicit hypocrisy.

Richard.

Tormenting Demons from an unspecified NetherWorld made
 <1990Dec14.091057@cstr.ed.ac.uk> hazel@cstr.ed.ac.uk (Hazel Sydeserff) write:
> >I keep reading that Russ was in West Side Story (like Richard Beymer). I know 
> >that RB played Tony ("te adoro, Anton") but who was RT?

Beats me. What I want to know is this....

While looking for VCR tapes for my kids for Xmas I came across a
version of "Tom Thumb" starring Terry Thomas as The Villain and, yes
you geussed it, Russ Tamblyn as Tom. It was shown recently on the
Disney Channel. Is this our Dear Doctor?

Jesse
thorn@godot.radonc.unc.edu

vidarh@stud.cs.uit.no (Vidar Hanssen) writes:

> >Someone on some film-newsgroup (I can't remember which) said that Pete
> >Martell is the same actor who played the lead in Eraserhead.  I find this
> >hard to believe, as Pete Martell looks 50 years old, and Henry looks
> >20 years old. But they do look the same, could it be father and son?

No, they are the same person.  You have to remember that Eraserhead was
made in 1976, about 14 years ago.  So Nance was quite a bit younger
then.

--
bvickers@ics.uci.edu |       "We cannot decide whether that which
brett@ucippro.bitnet |        we call truth is really truth or
_____________________|        whether it merely appears that way
                              to us."      - Heinrich von Kleist

In article <1633@mobius.ACA.MCC.COM> abbott@mobius.ACA.MCC.COM (Jeff Abbott) writes:
> >
> >Interesting to see shows other than "Northern Exposure" referring
> >to Twin Peaks. . .
> >
> >Jeff
> >
Did Northern Exposure refer to Twin Peaks in an episode? If so, please
give us a synposis of what it was. Thanks...

-- ____*_ Janet Christian jchristian@indetech.com \ / / Independence Technologies {sun,sharkey,pacbell}!indetech!jchristian \/ / 42705 Lawrence Place FAX: 415 438-2034 \/ Fremont, CA 94538 Voice: 415 438-2054

In article <1990Dec17.104705.11047@pbs.org> eyeater@pbs.org writes:
> >
> >   well as _Blue Velvet_ (as a member of Dennis Hopper's gang).  He may
> >   have popped up in _Wild At Heart_, too, but I don't remember.
> >

I think he was one of the wackos living with William Defoe's character out
in the desert.

-boB

Jack Nance has been in "Dune", "Blue Velvet", and "Wild at Heart". Oddly
enough, he played an evil sideman in all three pictures (for Baron
Harkonnen, Frank Booth [Dennis Hopper], and Bobby Peru [Willem Dafoe],
respectively).

Jack Nance also had a significant role in "Barfly". He played the detective.

"Eraserhead" aficionados may be interested to know that Charlotte Stewart, 
who plays Betty Briggs (Bobby's Mom) in TP, played Mary X, Henry's 
[Jack Nance's] wife in "Eraserhead". That movie is permanently etched in
my mind since I once had a college roommate with the same haircut Henry
had.

One subtlety that I found funny (and everybody I know seemed to miss) was
Betty Briggs' appearance in the Funeral Episode in the first season. She
comes into the room to tell Bobby and Major Briggs it's time to leave
for the funeral. There's a little yellow smiley-face button on her lapel.
Ironic, huh?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mike Melnyk
rmm@ipac.caltech.edu
Infrared Processing and Analysis Center (IPAC))
Jet Propusion Lab/Caltech
(818) 584-2962

As I was watching the 12/15 episode, I found Ben's
performance intriguing.  First of all, he's usually 
well-groomed and in a suit.  But in his scene he was
unshaven and in a bathrobe.  Something's amiss!

After the visit from Hank, he kept repeating Hank's
words: "You're Out, Ben".  It was kind of spooky really.
He was acting as if he were going crazy.  Of course,
how would _you_ feel after being cheated out of a HUGE
business deal by someone who you thought was dead.
Being charged (but then released) for the murder of
a friend's daughter.  And then worrying that someone had 
information which links you to the mill fire.
What a nightmare, but then, who deserves it more than
him? :) (let me count the Twin Peaks characters...:) :)

But after thinking about "Where BOB went", and hearing
Ben keep repeating "You're OUT, Ben", I couldn't help
but wonder if maybe, just maybe, BOB might have said
the same thing to Ben.  "Yo Ben, do you mind if I rent
out this prime piece of real estate in your conscience?"

But, I'm *really* hoping that BOB ends up in James,
who then gets rid of Donna, and then promptly dies.  Can 
you say, "Bad Actors Anonymous," sure, sure you can...

Ciao,
pjc

In article <1990Dec16.231322.6739@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu>, spcoltri@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Steve Coltrin) writes...
> >lilj@well.sf.ca.us (Joshua Neil Rubin) writes:

>> >>Re: 12/15

> >Did anyone besides me think they heard something unusual in Ben's
> >voice the second tome he repeated 'You're out'?  Hey, maybe there's a
> >conspiracy of silen

Actually, it bugged me.  Remember in the pilot when Audrey is poking the 
pencil through the coffee cup?  "Okay Bob.", "O-Kay Bob.", etc.
She and Ben were doing the same thing.   Audrey certainly is her father's
daughter.

--Michelle

In article <1990Dec11.025140.23608@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >Wondering why I enjoyed the latest episode so very much I
> >realized that it was an extremely, subtly pro-woman episode.
.
.
.
> >And last but not least, Lucy, totally subverting the standard image of
> >the abandoned and unwanted unwed mother. Standing up on a pedestal 
                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >bringing the new light  to her two ardent suitors below
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >her. Well, need I say more.

er, excuse me, I need to commune with the porcelain throne . . .

-----
Gordy
-----

I thought the same thing! KROQ? REALLY? is that a KROQ or some KROQ? 

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Whenever I miss a show I wish someone had done this, so I'll start doing
it when I can.

I. James riding motorcycle during credits
II. Mrs. Briggs in sheriff's office with HST and Cooper.  She implies that
    Major Briggs' classified research seems to involve the spirits of the
    woods.
III. The sheriff's office employees talk about Dougie Milford's upcoming
     wedding.
IV. Gordon Cole calls to OFFER HIS SUPPORT.
V. Cooper has an interview with the FBI investigator (Roger).  Coop claims
   that he may have broken some rules but did nothing really wrong.
VI. Nadine and Donna visit at TPHS.  Nadine has a crush on Bobby.  Neither has
    seen James for several days.
VII. James stops at a road house outside of Twin Peaks.  A beautiful blonde
     who can't act ("Evelyn Marsh") flirts it up with him.  James agrees to
     try to fix her husband's Jaguar.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
VIII. Dick arrives at the station with a 12-year old (nephew?).  Lucy's
      not there but Andy volunteers to take them for a malt.
IX. Hawk tells HST and Truman about Indian legend -- there is a white lodge
    and a black lodge in the spirit world.  At some point you have to pass
    through the black lodge on your way to better things, and you must have
    purity of heart and courage when that time comes.  I didn't get it exactly
    right, but I'm sure you'll hear Cooper repeat some of Hawk's words with
    a far-away look in his eyes as these things come to pass in the next few 
    weeks.  (You know, a la "sometimes my arms bend back".)
X. The DEA agent shows up -- Cooper knows him from previous work together, but
   he shows up in a wig and dress, asking to be called Denise not Dennis.  
   Everyone rolls with the punches.
XI. Nadine flirts with Bobby in the weight room while leg pressing 600 pounds.
    The coach asks her to go out for wrestling.
XII. Harry visits Josie at his place (lunch time).  She tells him of her past
     involving a bad guy named Thomas Eckhardt.  She says Eckhardt bumped off
     Andrew Packard, conveniently failing to mention that she and Hank "had
     an arrangement".  She quivers like a frightened bunny and Harry takes her
     in his big manly arms.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
XIII. Diner - Norma, then Hank talk to Ernie.  Nothing happens.
XIV. Dick, Andy and nephew Nicky drink malteds.  Andy begins to reconsider
     his policy of being friends with Dick.
XV. James agrees to take an apartment over Evelyn's garage while he fixes
    her husband's Jag (husband is out of town.)  More suggestive talk from
    Evelyn.
XVI. IMHO the only scene worthy of the TP tradition: an unshaved Ben sits
     in his office watching 20-year old home movies.
XVII. Hank comes in and tells Ben that Renault is forcing him out of OEJ's.
XVIII. Cooper gets a note from Wyndham Earle -- P-Q4 -- and a tape.  The
       tape implied to me that Cooper had somehow sent Earle his response
       to Earle's opening move and this was the third move of the game.
       Earle rambles about confrontations without getting to specifics --
       fairly good stuff.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
XIX. Dougie Milford's wedding -- this tried very hard to be quirky and
     fun TP stuff, but mostly bored me.  Remeber mayor Dwayne Milford
     from the premiere ("Is this thing on?" WAAAAA)?  So his even more
     decrepit brother is marrying some sweet young thing, Dwayne's
     against it, the whole town is there.  Cooper skips the wedding but
     he and Denise take in the reception.  Quirkiness, quirkiness.
XX. Josie gives the Eckhardt spiel to Catherine.  Catherine says Josie
    must be her personal slave for life or she will turn Josie over to
    Eckhardt.  Josie acquiesces and leaves.  Then who should walk in but
    a very-much-alive Andrew Packard.  He and Catherine say, everything's
    going according to plan, let's wait for Eckhardt to show and spring
    our trap.  They grin evilly.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
All in all a good episode to miss.  I found it mostly non-entertaining,
and not too much vital plot advancement.

Bob

I'm a newcomer to TP, so can anybody tell me what's with Nadine?  Is there
something on the show that made her an old teenager, or is she just always
been that way?


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/ macaulay@j.cc.purdue.edu (Monica Macaulay) /  9:31 pm  Dec 15, 1990 /
writes:

.
.
.
<5. In the listing of the cast, there were 2 Donna sisters -??
<(Harriet and Gersten (what a name).)  I only remember one - the
<one whose bike she borrowed in the first season...  Who's the other
<one?  Have we seen her yet?
.
.
.
<- Monica

The other sister, Gersten, was the one who sang when the Palmers 
visited the Haywards.  This was right after Leland's hair turned
white.  Leland was so inspired by the singing that he decided to
sing as well, which led to a bit of uproar.

As far as I remember, that was the only time that Gersten was on.

- ced

THANKS!  I hope that I can grep for the word Synopsis the next time I miss
Twin Peaks (hopefully never) and find these postings amidst the a.tv.t-p
background noise.  You have made my day.

-Johnny Gweep

Ooops!

In article <1990Dec17.205845.10811@nntp-server.caltech.edu>, I write:
> >VI. Nadine and Donna visit at TPHS.  Nadine has a crush on Bobby.  Neither has
                                                            ^^^^^^
> >XI. Nadine flirts with Bobby in the weight room while leg pressing 600 pounds.
                        ^^^^^

Both referencesy to Bobby should say _Mike_.  I don't think we saw Bobby at
all this week.
--
Bob
Someone murder Josie and get Albert back in town!

In article <1990Dec16.183546.9058@javelin.es.com> tpehrson%javelin@dsd.es.com writes:
> >
> >"leland palmer"...
> >
> >could anyone read the rest of the headline seen at the r&r?

"Leland Palmer Laid to Rest"

Not an unusual headline for a small-town newspaper, but
rather interesting in context.

-- Dave Mack

scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass) writes:

> >In my San Jose newspaper the listing for next Saturday shows
> >"Columbo:  Fade in to Murder" on ABC from 9:30 to 11 PM.  Is
> >this happening everywhere?  We're not going to miss an episode,
> >are we?

On the east coast we're getting a football game.

The last time Twin Peaks was pre-empted, they were very specific
about saying "in two weeks" during the previews for the next
episode.  This time, nada.  Let's hope it's not a sign that they're
caring less about retaining their viewers.
-- "SO be it! The fate of the UNIVERSE is in your hands!" "Talk about job-related stress."

In article <22205@well.sf.ca.us> lilj@well.sf.ca.us (Joshua Neil Rubin) writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >Re: 12/15
> >
> >- The headline read "Leland Palmer Laid To Rest".  
> >  By the way, did anyone ever figure out who the third 
> >  man was whose semen was found in LP?

Leo Johnson, Jacques Renault, Leland Palmer.

> >- It would seem that the robed figure at the end of 
> >  12/8 was the "Dweller on the Threshold.

You assume that Hawk's explanation of "the White Lodge" is
the correct one. Maybe. Would Major Briggs be familiar with
Indian legends? Maybe.

I thought the Major's disappearance was by far the most interesting
thread - I was sorry to see it given such short shrift in this
episode in favor of such things as James' meeting with Evelyn.
(On the other hand, that's the first scene in the series that's
taken place outside of TP. It will be terribly disappointing if
Evelyn isn't somehow tied in with Wyndham Earle.
BTW, who *did* own the black T-bird?)

But I digress...

-- Dave Mack

In article <90351.090415JMN101@psuvm.psu.edu> JMN101@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> >In article <47425@apple.Apple.COM>, scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass) says:
>> >>
>> >>In my San Jose newspaper the listing for next Saturday shows
>> >>"Columbo:  Fade in to Murder" on ABC from 9:30 to 11 PM.  Is
>> >>this happening everywhere?  We're not going to miss an episode,
>> >>are we?
> >i looked in the tv-guide for my area (Penn Stat and a football
> >game is in the twin-eaks time slot.  Anyone else...is    is just a
> >few areas, or is this everywhere?
> >ena e

I looked at my tv-guide as well, and it covers about four ABC stations, and
none of them have TP on next week....I'm not surprised if TP isn't on for the
next week or two with all of the Holiday Mayhem.  If you think about it,
most shows go on a few week haitus for the end of December/early January.
I wouldn't panic......


Michael Lee



-- "Everyday, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it just let it happen. It could be a new shirt from the men's store, a cat nap in your office chair, or two cups of hot black coffee." - Agent Dale Cooper, TP

In article <47425@apple.Apple.COM> scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass) writes:
> >In my San Jose newspaper the listing for next Saturday shows
> >"Columbo:  Fade in to Murder" on ABC from 9:30 to 11 PM.  Is
> >this happening everywhere?  We're not going to miss an episode,
> >are we?
> >
> >--  maggie
> >
> >-- 
> >--scott douglass

As a matter of fact, TwinPeaks will be preempted for two consecutive weeks.
I learned this from the Killer BOB interview this morning on LA station
KROQ. This means that the next episode is on January 5, 1991.

Sigh. |-(

-mig

-- =========================================================================== Mig Gomez mig@beach.csulb.edu CSULB Main Library Computer Lab mig@aardvark.cse.csulb.edu

In article <1990Dec16.072421.826@daffy.cs.wisc.edu> mlee@cat25.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Lee) writes:
> >I like some of these new plots -- Andrew's revival was unexpected.

Yes, and someone else's comment about turning a corner sounds right too.
Those clumsy, rushed episodes closing the WKLP story arc sucked the big
one! but now I find I'm having fun watching.  Will they get scary
again later, I wonder.

> >I think TP's current problem is that as it becomes more diverse in plots 
> >and subplots, people realize that Twin Peaks is, and always has been, a
> >Soap Opera.  Yes, it's "shot with a film-maker's eye", and it has lots of
> >unique imagery, but besides that?  It's a soap.  

Weeeellll, yeah kinda.  Somewhere between DYNASTY, DARK SHADOWS and HILL
STREET BLUES, I guess.  But with some pretty original twists.  I hardly
think that America is going to mind if TWIN PEAKS turns out to be a
gothic prime time soap.  I ain't erasing MY tapes!

> >It was interesting to see Hawk and Truman's reactions to Denise.  I don't
> >think cross-dressing is a usual thing in Twin Peaks. :)  

A total HSB touch, of course.  My girlfriend pointed something out to
me.  Crossdressing on TV is usually a la Milton Berle or Monty Python,
deliberately grotesque and comically ugly.  By comparison, Dennis/Denise
was a knockout.  Good actor too.

   Leland was not wearing a mask when he killed JR, which turned out to be
a costly mistake.  It's puzzling that he would wear a mask for one killing
and not for the other.

 Folks, could someone post a recipe for converting mac sounds to sparc
sounds? I sure hate to miss out on all the goodies...
Jeff

Hello. This is my first posting on this group (and any group for that
matter) and I must say it's a rather...un-nerving situation (a terminal
with no back-space, you gotta be correct the first time)

Anyway:                    

I forgot which episode it was, but in the scene with Ben and his brother
sitting on the bunk beds, they both have a "vision" of a woman holding
a flashlight and dancing to music. My question: Where can I get that music?
Is it on the Industrial Symphony? It doesn't sound like a Julie Cruise song
sans lyrics (I have the album) and wondered if maybe it was on the Sound
track. Anybody know?
 
Thanks a lot!

.

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In article <1990Dec17.192205.9238@indetech.com> janet@indetech.COM (Janet Christian x2054) writes:
> >In article <1633@mobius.ACA.MCC.COM> abbott@mobius.ACA.MCC.COM (Jeff Abbott) writes:
>> >>Interesting to see shows other than "Northern Exposure" referring
>> >>to Twin Peaks. . .
> >Did Northern Exposure refer to Twin Peaks in an episode? If so, please
> >give us a synposis of what it was. Thanks...

Northern Exposure repeatedly referred to Twin Peaks during its
limited run: comments about coffee, pie, doughnuts, and a lady
walking around town with a log. It was discussed to a pulp
on this newsgroup.

Jeff
_____________________________________________________________________
"Ask me about facts and I will answer       Jeff Abbott
everything to your satisfaction. And        abbott@mobius.mcc.aca.com
to hell with the irrelevancies!"            MCC ACT Program 
- Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov        Austin, Texas
_____________________________________________________________________

In article <1990Dec14.220920.7361@beach.csulb.edu> mig@beach.csulb.edu (Mig Gomez) writes:
> >I wonder how they celebrate Christmas in Twin Peaks?

At (approximately) one day per episode, we won't find out for a while!  :-)
-- Bernie Roehl, University of Waterloo Electrical Engineering Dept Mail: broehl@watserv1.waterloo.edu OR broehl@watserv1.UWaterloo.ca BangPath: {allegra,decvax,utzoo,clyde}!watmath!watserv1!broehl Voice: (519) 885-1211 x 2607 [work]

In article <1990Dec17.234808.2174@alembic.acs.com> csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave Mack) writes:
> >
> >taken place outside of TP. It will be terribly disappointing if
> >Evelyn isn't somehow tied in with Wyndham Earle.
> >BTW, who *did* own the black T-bird?)
> >
I assume you really mean '... the black Corvette ...'.  *I* got the impression
that it *does* belong to Evelyn (or her husband).  Didn't she merely state that
it was not the black Vette that she was having trouble with?  (at least that is
what I *THINK* I heard......)


> >But I digress...
> >
So did I........

Walt K.
> >-- 
> >Dave Mack

In article <50080004@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com> kalstein@hpcupt1.cup.hp.com (Michael Kalstein) writes:
> >I'm a newcomer to TP, so can anybody tell me what's with Nadine?  Is there
> >something on the show that made her an old teenager, or is she just always
> >been that way?

At the end of the first season, Nadine attempted suicide by taking
sleeping pills. She was distraught over the fact she couldn't
find a patent lawyer to interest in a silent drape runner she
has invented. The pills put her into a brief coma; when she 
awoke, she had regressed mentally from being in her mid-thirties
to being a high school senior. God what a horrible fate; going
back to high school. . .:-)

Jeff
_____________________________________________________________________
"Ask me about facts and I will answer       Jeff Abbott
everything to your satisfaction. And        abbott@mobius.mcc.aca.com
to hell with the irrelevancies!"            MCC ACT Program 
- Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov        Austin, Texas
_____________________________________________________________________

In the beginning of the 12/15 show, James is riding his motorcycle along a
road.  Does anybody know where I can find the music he is riding to?

- Chris
  crm@icad.com

In article <1990Dec17.205845.10811@nntp-server.caltech.edu>
nolty@kastor.caltech.edu (Bob Nolty) writes:

> >VI. Nadine and Donna visit at TPHS.  Nadine has a crush on Bobby.  Neither has
> >    seen James for several days.    ^^^^^
Rather, Mike Nelson, Donna's former boyfriend.

> >VIII. Dick arrives at the station with a 12-year old (nephew?).
       ^^^^^^
"Little Nicky" is Dick's "little brother" in a Big Brothers-type
program.

> >XI. Nadine flirts with Bobby in the weight room while leg pressing 600 pounds.
^^^^^
Mike.

> >XIII. Diner - Norma, then Hank talk to Ernie.  Nothing happens.
Norma seems to be onto Ernie.  She tells him to get out of town.

> >XIV. Dick, Andy and nephew Nicky drink malteds. 
     ^^^^^^
"Little brother."

> >XVI. IMHO the only scene worthy of the TP tradition: an unshaved Ben sits
> >     in his office watching 20-year old home movies.
They are movies of the ground-breaking for the Great Northern.  And
they're probably 30 or 40 years old, given Ben's current age, and his
age in the movies.

Otherwise, a good synopsis. Thanks for performing a public service.




--
Janet SwisherInternet: swsh@midway.uchicago.edu
University of ChicagoPhone: (312) 702-7608
Academic and Public ComputingP-mail: 1155 E. 60th St. Chicago IL 60637, USA
"This whole world's wild at heart and weird on top."  -- Lula

Lots of responses on E-mail that I'm wrong on the Leo thing, and
after Saturday night, I think I'm wrong too.  It could very
easily be  Andrew.   What I thought was Leo's slicked back look,
now appears to be gray hair.  I guess the power of suggestion is
strong.  Still if it turns out to be Leo it would be wild. He could
be the one who put the blue stuff inn Ronnette's IV.  Is this an
old idea?  I don't always keep up, and when I do, I always miss the
week I have been thinking about.

Also, do you think it might be Windom Earle? I forget the sequence of
events.  I am interested in the WE/chess game connection to Cooper. I
always thought the name Windam Earle sounded like a chess move.  Is it
well-known in chess circles?

Finally, I am looking forward to the development of the Ben Horn scene.
He really was moving in that retrospective of the GN grand opening. I
have always liked Ben Horn.  I think that he is motivated by Money. I
don't see greed for material possessions being equal to the evil of the
possession of souls, emotionns, people. . .I think that Ben horn is in
fact easiest to count out as being the murdering type. Although at the
moment there is no murderer to find,we can assume there will be another
murder.  He is not driven to possess people's souls, just their wallets.
He may have a side not yet revealed that does want to possess soul (witness the
addiction that Blackie blames on him), but I tend to think that he is
seeking wealth, not lives.  I like his character because he has
shown several sides to it.  The wheeler-dealer, the unfaithful hubby,
the silly stuff with Jerry. (my favorit scene is when Leland, Jerry and
he are dancing in Ben's office while leland sings).  And at times a
vulnerability.  During Audrey's disappearance. At unpredictable moments
he seemed disturbed at least, scared at best. During his
imprisonment he was ruffled up and it appeared to indicate a side
of him that was frightened or at least not in control.  And now,
of course, the broke Ben Horn is a psychotic mess.  This side
of him is the most vulnerable yet, and seems to support that he
is made up of the material possessions he controls.

Anyway,  Ben Horn is interesting, and may yet make a deal with the
devil to repossess the ghostwood estates project.  Then his
vulnerability will be Bob's tool for possessing souls/lives.

I hope that we don't see too much more of the "dick/andy/lucy"
silliness.   The joke is played out and done.  We could
"conceivably" (no pun intended) go on with it until next
year given they won't be making new episodes after about March
probably.  What a tortuous thought.  I still would like
to see some serious evil thing to be attached to that triangle.

Someone mentioned that James Hurley was a HUNK, and although
for a "high school" boy he is somewhat attractive, HUNK is a
horrificly rude term for his appearance.  I would say he is
probably a fine looking guy in his real life, but that comment
has stuck with me, and I had to comment that he is attractive,
but the word just didn't seem to be fair. My husband would be
perturbed if he knew I wrote that.  He doesn't log on to this
network so I'm safe. HUNK is to men what CHIK is to women--
that my spouse would probably agree with.

Not to end on a "flame" as I guess it is called when someone
criticizes some one else on here,  no personal attack
intended at all.  I wanted to agree with your taste, but not
with your adjective.  Finally, I wanted to invite comments on
a few inconsistencies I've picked up on.  We've advanced less
than a month on TWIN PEAKS time, am I right?  Isn't it cold in
WA in February?  No one seems too chilly.  Also,  how could that
mountie have fooled the FBI into thinking he was a real mountie
that was forcing a sting operation?  Or was he a real mountie
that went Bad so to speak?  And doesn't he look like Duddly
Doright?  Where is Penelope Pitstop??? Happy Holidays
Lisa

No silly quote, there is none to add this week.

I wonder how long Catherine has known that her brother was
not drowned.  Perhaps she has known  for years. That
would explain her long-standing  hostility towards Josie and
and might justify her keeping two sets of books of the mill and
secretly taking money from the mill. That money could have been
for Andrew's expenses while he was in hiding. He has a right to
mill money as the still living legal owner of the mill.
 
a.h.

> >Well, here goes: my "debut post" Will someone write me an email
> >note that says weather or not this worked?  I'll be logged on
                ^^^^^^^
> >all day working on my thesis (gag).

Hmmmm...


Roy

According to a recent newspaper article, Frank Silva,
who plays Killer Bob is "the total opposite" of Bob,
according to a co-worker on the Peaks set.

It interests me that such a gentle person as Frank Silva
should be so believable (to some people) as an evil villian.
Lynch chose him on looks alone. Why?
I believe that the media and arts influence our character 
judgements about each other,  and that tv has fostered 
prejudices based on physical appearance.  This is not
a criticism of Lynch/Frost because, after all, I can't expect
them to hire real psychopaths to play evil characters.
 
But it is worth mentioning now and again. For instance, at the
time of the rise of Hitler and for a time afterward, many of
the movie's villians were quite Jewish looking.    
 
a.h.

In article <2398@maus.Morgan.COM> maus@Morgan.COM (Malcolm Austin) writes:
> >
> >And, still, why did Catherine shell out $5 mil for the mill when she got Ben
> >to sign through blackmail?  Are we really to believe that the check was a
> >forgery?
> >
Sure, why not?  Perhaps someone can/will confirm/deny this; but there *was no*
'Mr. Tojimura' (sp?) in reality, so a check endorsed by 'him' should be
value-less (I think, anyway).

How about this speculation --

Josie was beaten *because* the check was no good (I do seem to recall
that Ben gave Josie the check, didn't he?)

Walt K.

Good followup posting!  Didn't know you were the Shakespearian
type!  I think the guy's parallels between TP and Hamlet are really
quite good.

Greg
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* Greg Sandell (sandell@ils.nwu.edu)          Evanston, IL USA *
* Institute for the Learning Sciences, Northwestern University *
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dkonerding@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Rafael Juarez) writes:
> >
> >interest) have loomed weave upon woof (ooh, what impressive word-play!)

Anyone is warped who can follow this thread.
-- Steve Carnes carnes@ico.isc.com uucp: {ncar,nbires}!ico!carnes "Time's fun when you're heaving flies." - fishing tshirt

In article <00941216.86525420@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU> vargo@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU writes:
> >Frost and Lynch asked Ben, Ray and Maddie/Laura to come up.
> >We walked into
> >a darkened room and there was no furniture in it.  We sat on the floor
> >crosslegged.  Frost (or Lynch) put his hand on my knee and said
> >"It was you. It was always you."  

Of course, between Frost and Lynch they could have had hands on the knees of
all three characters.

> >Let's see... what else.... She asked about his "barking" in that last
> >episode (of his).  He said that was his idea and he felt it all went 
> >with the "woods motif"

You mean the hooting for "that means yes"?

-- Bernie Roehl, University of Waterloo Electrical Engineering Dept Mail: broehl@watserv1.waterloo.edu OR broehl@watserv1.UWaterloo.ca BangPath: {allegra,decvax,utzoo,clyde}!watmath!watserv1!broehl Voice: (519) 885-1211 x 2607 [work]

vidarh@stud.cs.uit.no (Vidar Hanssen) writes:

> >Someone on some film-newsgroup (I can't remember which) said that Pete
> >Martell is the same actor who played the lead in Eraserhead.  I find this
> >hard to believe, as Pete Martell looks 50 years old, and Henry looks
> >20 years old. But they do look the same, could it be father and son?

Assume Eraserhead was made 15 years ago, and that Jack Nance was 25 (looked
20).  He's now 40, and looks (with makeup) 50.  Quite plausible.


-- Bernie Roehl, University of Waterloo Electrical Engineering Dept Mail: broehl@watserv1.waterloo.edu OR broehl@watserv1.UWaterloo.ca BangPath: {allegra,decvax,utzoo,clyde}!watmath!watserv1!broehl Voice: (519) 885-1211 x 2607 [work]

This is only peripherally Twin Peaks related, but PBS is running
a special this week on Dale Cooper's favortite spiritual leader,
the Dalai Lama. The show is called "Ocean of Wisdom" and is thirty
minutes long. It recounts how the current Dalai Lama was
selected, his credo of non-violence in the face of harsh Chinese 
occupation and aggression, and his selection as recipient of the
1989-90 Nobel Peace Prize. Very interesting and entertaining.

Check your local listings for  time and channel. . .

Jeff

_____________________________________________________________________
"Ask me about facts and I will answer       Jeff Abbott
everything to your satisfaction. And        abbott@mobius.mcc.aca.com
to hell with the irrelevancies!"            MCC ACT Program 
- Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov        Austin, Texas
_____________________________________________________________________

nolty@kastor.caltech.edu (Bob Nolty) writes:
> >VI. Nadine and Donna visit at TPHS.  Nadine has a crush on Bobby.  Neither has
Mike (Bobby's friend from season 1).

> >XI. Nadine flirts with Bobby in the weight room while leg pressing 600 pounds.
Mike.

> >    a very-much-alive Andrew Packard.  He and Catherine say, everything's

Played by Dan O'Herlihy, seen my many of you as a lizard type perhaps
(he was THE LAST STARFIGHTER's navigator Grigg).

Good synopsis.

/JBL
=
Nets: levin@bbn.com  |  "There were sweetheart roses on Yancey Wilmerding's
 or {...}!bbn!levin  |  bureau that morning.  Wide-eyed and distraught, she
POTS: (617)873-3463  |  stood with all her faculties rooted to the floor."

mlee@cat24.cs.wisc.edu (Michael Lee) writes:
> >...If you think about it,
> >most shows go on a few week haitus for the end of December/early January.
> >I wouldn't panic......

After all, most shows cover their winter hiatus (and leaving new
episodes for the February and May sweeps) by airing reruns in
December.  It's kind of hard for a show like TP to go back to two or
three earlier episodes in the middle of the season.

/JBL
=
Nets: levin@bbn.com  |  "There were sweetheart roses on Yancey Wilmerding's
 or {...}!bbn!levin  |  bureau that morning.  Wide-eyed and distraught, she
POTS: (617)873-3463  |  stood with all her faculties rooted to the floor."

I don't know what triggered this memory but while I was reading another
post I just thought about when Cooper was being interviewed the first
time by the FBI and the (fake) Mountie.  Cooper said he knew nothing
about the Battis (sp) murder.  Did no one interview Audrey when she was
rescued to find out what was going on at OEJs while she was there?
I know she was doped on drugs but that murder clearly affected her and
I'm sure she would have remembered at least parts of what happened.
Will she be interviewed later or will this be another example of a
disappearing fact?


Linda

"I had an unfair advantage, how many of those girls were varsity wide
 receivers" Denis/Denise - TP

In article <17965@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
}In article <TZiqT6w163w@halcyon.uucp>, halcyon!hikaru@sumax.seattleu.edu (Richard Barrett) writes...
}
}} - and then it'll be time to shove off to Buffalo!"
}
}It was "Shuffle off to Buffalo", which is the title of an old song.  I

"Shuffle Off to Buffalo" may have been a song, but it is primarily a dance
step.  Specifically, a shuffling dance step that is sometimes used for
exiting the stage.

Seems quite appropriate to me.

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!{hpda,versatc,apollo,ucbcad,uunet}!cadence!phz)

P.S.  Sorry these responses come so far after the original post -- but we
seem to be 10 days behind on our news reception.

Our local station just aired The Witches of Eastwick as the sunday night movie
(tm) and I would almost swear that Nicholson's manservant in the turban was the
Giant.  Unfortunately, I can't swear to it, because our station didn't run the
credits.  Can anyone confirm or deny this?  A prize of one email cheet-o will
be awarded to the most satisfactory essay.  Be sure to include Coop's acting
ability, Nadine's strength, and the words ``j'ai une ame solitaire'' in your
argument.
--
Eric Olson <fsejo@acad3.alaska.edu> Gryphon Gang Fairbanks AK 99775
"Eric Olson doesn't exist." -Patricia O. Tuama, rissa@gargoyle.uchicago.edu

/ rmm@fonda.ipac.caltech.edu (Mike Melnyk) / 11:38 am  Dec 17, 1990 /
writes:

>> >>.
>> >>.
>> >>.
>> >>One subtlety that I found funny (and everybody I know seemed
>> >>to miss) was Betty Briggs' appearance in the Funeral Episode
>> >>in the first season. She comes into the room to tell Bobby
>> >>and Major Briggs it's time to leave for the funeral. There's
>> >>a little yellow smiley-face button on her lapel.  Ironic,
>> >>huh?
>> >>.
>> >>.
>> >>.

I thought the entire scene was pretty funny.  Bobby and
Major Briggs are involved in a shouting match, part of their
continuing disagreement, which Betty MUST have heard as she
approached the room.  But as she enters the room, she cheerily
says something like "Is everybody ready?"  Clearly, the other 
two aren't, but she's the shepherd...

- ced

   Also no real TP connection, but the Dec 20 New York Review of Books has
a long article about Tibet, the Dalai Lama, and the Chinese invasion.

I love Teri Gross' show -- she is without a doubt the best
interviewer in America today.  About 2 months ago, she had
Angelo Badilimenti, the composer of Twin Peaks music.

He mentioned that he had previously been doing the music to Captain
Kangaroo.  He was using some big band music from his teen-age music
writing days for many of the songs that BOB danced to.

He said that David Lynch told him to write Laura's theme "as a dark
and somber tune elevating to a more and more intense theme finally
reach a plateau of incredible beauty whereupon it would fall back
to the somber tune".  He played it on the spot for him using his
piano and David said don't change a thing.

From: koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz)
Subject: Re: 12/15 Episode

> >that it *does* belong to Evelyn (or her husband).  Didn't she merely state that
> >it was not the black Vette that she was having trouble with?  (at least that is
> >what I *THINK* I heard......)
> >Walt K.

You were right, Bobby did ask if it was  _the Vette_ she has having
problems with

John

Could someone e-mail me a copy of the complete cast list that wasww
posted last week.  I meant to get a copy of it to show some friends
that don't have access to this news group but didn't try until today
and I can't find it on my system.
Thanks in advnace.

John

In article <3267@nosc.NOSC.MIL> koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz) writes:
> >In article <1990Dec17.234808.2174@alembic.acs.com> csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave Mack) writes:
>> >>
>> >>taken place outside of TP. It will be terribly disappointing if
>> >>Evelyn isn't somehow tied in with Wyndham Earle.
>> >>BTW, who *did* own the black T-bird?)
>> >>
> >I assume you really mean '... the black Corvette ...'.  *I* got the impression
> >that it *does* belong to Evelyn (or her husband).  Didn't she merely state that
> >it was not the black Vette that she was having trouble with?  (at least that is
> >what I *THINK* I heard......)

You're right. I finally got a clean copy of the tape. I'd thought
Evelyn had disclaimed ownership of the (correct again) 'vette, but
what James had asked was "Trouble with that black 'vette outside?"

Thanks for the correction.

Dave Mack

In article <1990Dec19.140546.29929@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
> >   Somebody posted the claim that Lynch/Frost actually shot scenes with 
> >killers other than Leland to help keep things a secret.  

Copiously confirmed from other sources, viz. the Ray Wise interview.

> >                                                         If this is the
> >case, seeing a whole bunch of alternate endings unmasking Doc Hayward,
> >Donna, Harry, etc all in one show would be a lot more fun than a re-run.

Boy, don't you know you're talking about the UL-TI-MATE Twin Peaks
convention trophy!  First cousin to the STAR TREK Blooper Reel.  I hope
someone gets hold of it.

-- "Of course, this is a, this is a Hunt, you |*==| Tom Neff will -- that will uncover a lot of things. |===| tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM You open that scab, there's a hell of a lot of things... This involves these Cubans, Hunt, and a lot of hanky-panky that we have nothing to do with ourselves." -- RN 6/23/72

In article <1990Dec19.140305.29668@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
> >   Explanation wanted of the profound significance of James' juke box 
> >choice.  I was expecting (1) Mairzy Doats (2) PEnnsylvania 6-5000
> >(3) something by Julee Cruise  (4) whatever it is Audrey dances to

I forget exactly which piece it is right now, but that was some more
Angelo Badalamenti music.  You can hear it on -- WAIT FOR IT! --
Industrial Symphony #1.  I recommend a couple viewings of IS1 for all
Peaks freaks.  Great for spotting subtexts and fetishes in the TV show.

In article <265@anaxagoras.ils.nwu.edu> sandell@ils.nwu.edu (Greg Sandell) writes:
> >Can anybody make out what we're shown in the very last clip of
> >the previews at the end of the 12/15 show?  I can really make
> >no sense out of the jumble of images, but I do see a human thumb,
> >which might be Cooper's thumb on his dictaphone.  There is a
> >voice-over, something like:
> >Audrey:  Are you allright?
> >Cooper:  You may have saved my life.

We wondered about those previews too, and freeze-framed them a few times
right after the show.  Here's what we got.

 * James and Evelyn seem to be driving back to the house after James
fixes the Jag.  Evelyn's husband is standing in the driveway taking bags
out of the trunk.  James is asking Evelyn "you're not afraid of your
husband are you?"

 * A shot of the vacant lot next to Leland's old house in Pearl Lakes.
Voice over of an unidentified woman reminiscing about something weird...
I don't have the tape here to check.  Presume someone does spadework in
P.L. next episode.

 * Close up of a B&W photo.  Thumb of the hand holding the photo visible
on R side of screen.  Photo looks like a clandestine surveillance shot:
blurred obstruction in the U.L. but the rest clearly shows 1/4 profile
of a curly headed person with sunglasses and upturned collar walking
into an exterior doorway.  Audrey asks "I did all right, huh?" and
Cooper responds "You may have saved my life."  I interpret this to mean
that Audrey snuck into someone's room at the Great Northern and grabbed
one or more pictures which tell Cooper something important about the
forces who are out to get him: maybe the picture tells him who's in on
the plot, who was at OEJ's that night, etc.

Anyone know who's directing in two weeks?

Leland Speaks (Part II)

Herewith, the remainder of the Fresh Air interview (NPR) with Ray 
Wise from 12/12.

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[Terry Gross, after a break] ...he played the role of Leland 
Palmer, and of course it was Leland Palmer who killed Laura 
Palmer, but Leland was inhabited by the evil spirit of Bob at the 
time.  Who came up with that Leland Palmer dance and the weird 
singing?

[Ray Wise]  Well, the dance, the actual dance that you saw is 
mine, it's my creation.

[TG]  Oh great, why don't you describe the dance for our listeners 
who hadn't been following.

[RW]  The Leland Shuffle? [they both laugh] Well, through his 
grief, has become oh just terribly, terribly sad, just moping 
around in corners and he can't seem to be able to deal with the 
thought that his daughter is gone, that she was murdered 
violently.  And he sort of regresses back to a time in his past 
when he used to listen to big band music on the record player that 
his father introduced him to, and he loved that big band music so, 
and so he would play these songs from that era, the big band music 
and they would soothe his spirit, calm him down, and make him feel 
a little better.

And when he played these songs he would naturally, kind of, do the 
dance of the time, which was a kind of a modified jitterbug, and 
he would vary it with some slower steps.  And if people were 
watching very closely they would have seen that the imaginary 
partner that Leland was dancing with varied in height from time to 
time, and that sometimes that person would get very small -- and 
that was little Laura when she was a little girl, and I, and 
Leland taught her how to dance and she would stand on his feet and 
he would take the steps for her.

And so all of these things were going through Leland's mind at the 
time -- the soothing music, dancing with his daughter, and then it 
would become too much for him and he would start to cry, and to 
wail, and to sort of hold his head in his hands, and that was the 
beginning of the Leland Shuffle -- doing that modified jitterbug 
holding your head in your hands and wailing and crying.  And 
dancing with no one, there's nobody there, just dancing with 
yourself.

[TG]  You know, I'm thinking in Twin Peaks a lot of the actors 
were either considered washed up, like Richard Bemer, and Peggy 
Lipton hadn't hadn't been on anything for a long time...

[RW]  Well, you know we don't like to say "washed up", just "out 
of the public eye"...

[TG]  Yeah, thanks [a chuckle from both], and a lot of the actors 
weren't very well known to the public at all, so there's an 
interesting mix of people...

[RW]  A great mix...

[TG]  Yeah, I'm wondering if there was a great esprit de corps 
because of that.  I could see a lot of actors having a special 
investment in this, 'cause it was a chance to be before the public 
in a way that they either hadn't been in a long time, or hadn't 
ever been before...

[RW]  Well you know, you're saying it better than I could say it.  
That is, it's absolutely true.  Some of those people, in fact most 
of them, Richard Bemer, Russ Tamblyn, they're joys to work with 
and I love them all dearly, and Piper Laurie, and just all the way 
down the line the various personalities from different ethnic 
backgrounds, and we were all thrown together, chosen by David and 
Mark, who in their great wisdom picked a group of people they new 
instinctively would get along.  And we did.

[TG]  In a lot of ways Twin Peaks was this weird version of a soap 
opera.  Now you did a real afternoon soap opera for about six 
years, Love of Life.

[RW]  Yes I did, uh huh.

[TG]  Describe the character you played.

[RW]  On Love of Life?  Oh yeah, I played a guy named Jamie 
Rollins, and when I started on that show in 1970 he was a college 
student, he was a kind of a pseudo-hippie-radical type who started 
riots on campus, and in one episode I remember I caused the 
President of the University to have a heart attack.  So that's the 
way he started, and then six years later he was a lawyer in the 
District Attorney's office.  Now you tell me [she laughs]  how 
that could possibly happen, but it did.

[TG]  Social realism...

[RW]  Yes... and in that six and a half years' time I was a cub 
reporter on the newspaper, and I had Marsha Mason there for a 
while as a girlfriend on the show, and I was almost poisoned by 
Christopher Reeve who later turned out to be Superman, he played  
character named Ben; and I was a garage mechanic, then a law 
clerk, and I worked for a judge for a while, and just a million 
things happened.  In the meantime my wife ran off with my child, 
and my little child fell through the ice and died, and I had an 
affair with one of my good friends' wives, and she became pregnant 
with our illegitimate child, and just a whole slew of things... my 
best friend died of a rare blood disease...I mean, I can't even 
tell you all the stuff that happened, but it did, it was a lot of 
fun.

[TG]  You obviously have a nice sense of irony.  Was it hard for 
you to take the role or the show seriously?

[RW]  Love of Life?  Oh yeah, sure it was [he laughs]  yeah it was 
very hard to take it seriously.  But we tried to do the best we 
could.  And it was a great job, I mean, you learn how to act in 
front of a camera and you do it on a daily basis, and you make a 
pretty good wage, which is always a desirable thing.

[TG]  In your film career you've worked with some interesting, 
very quirky directors.  Ok, there's David Lynch from Twin Peaks, 
Paul Shrader [sp?] directed you in the remake of Cat People, Wes 
Craven in Swamp Thing.  Do you like quirky movies like that?

[RW]  Well yeah I do.  As a matter of fact I do.  I enjoy watching 
them and I certainly enjoy doing them, being in them.  And I think 
that because I like to do movies like that, that they sort of 
gravitate toward me.  These parts become available to me because I 
want them to be available to me and I end up doing them.  Yeah, 
that's the kind of thing I like, and it is true that they seem to 
suit me I think.

[TG]  You're interested in horror?  It says in your bio that you 
have the original 1897 edition of Bram Stoker's Dracula.

[RW]  Yeah.  I'm steeped in it, yeah.

[TG]  How'd you get started?

[RW]  Oh I don't know, I suppose it might have something to do 
with my Rumanian heritage.  I'm half Rumanian on my mother's side 
-- no I'm sure it doesn't have anything to do with that because 
we've been here in this country for many, many years.  But I do 
enjoy those legends of Count Dracula - Vladim Paylor [sp?] you 
know, early on in the 14th, 15th century, and the whole vampire 
mystique, and I just love to be scared.  I love to lie in bed late 
at night under the covers and have that book in front of me and 
shiver a bit when I read passages, certain passages.  And it feels 
good, it feels -- to be on the edge, you know, of that kind of 
danger, literary danger, that isn't life threatening -- it feels 
pretty good and I enjoy that feeling.

[TG]  now that your character of Leland Palmer is dead, is there 
any chance that you're going to be coming back as an apparition or 
in a flashback?

[RW]  Well from your words up to God's ears [she laughs hard, he 
chuckles]  I don't know... I suppose that that's always possible, 
it would  be interesting and I'm sure that some thought about that 
has been bandied about.  They don't miss a trick up there in the 
Twin Peaks office.

[TG] You're at NPR's Los Angeles bureau now, I'm in Philadelphia, 
we're not really looking at each other.  I mean we can't see each 
other, so I need to know:  is your hair really dark, or is it 
really gray?

[RW]  Well, oh, you mean my real hair.  My real hair is dark, dark 
brown, and they had to make my hair white through a terrible 
chemical process that I don't think anybody should have to endure, 
but I did for several months.  They had to use major chemicals and 
large amounts of them to make my hair as white as it looked on the 
screen.  And right now I'm only half and half...

[TG]  It's only half grown out?

[RW]  Yeah, I'm very Madonna-ish, I guess. Very very dark roots 
that are about an inch long, and then about an inch of white hair 
on top of that and it looks, everybody tells me that it looks 
quite good, but I can't imagine that.  I'm just giving my hair a 
breather. I'm letting it rest a little bit and I promised my wife 
that I'm going to get it cut within the next couple of weeks.

[TG]  Well I want to thank you a lot for talking with us, it's 
been a lot of fun to meet Ray Wise.

[RW]  Yeah, it's great talking to you.  A lot of people, they've 
seen a lot of Leland but not a lot of Ray and it's nice to talk to 
you.

[TG]  Actor Ray Wise.

[some cool, smoky Twin Peaks music starts, and fades slowly...]

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Thanks to those on the net who sent the nice encouraging notes,
prompting this second posting.  I apologize for not responding
individually, but this being my first week on the net I have
yet to become competent on some basics, like replying to email!

Nevertheless, my priorities are clear.  I know how to keep up
on ALT.TV.TWIN-PEAKS.  I'd say all else takes a back seat.
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Steve Carol
Carol@Pilot.NJIN.Net  
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> > Did Northern Exposure refer to Twin Peaks in an episode? If so, please
> > give us a synposis of what it was. Thanks...
  
  Well, it's been a while.  There was one scene in which our 2 heroes and
  one other character were using one of those 25c-a-pop telescopes.  
  Suddenly, you hear freaky, TP-style background music.  The characters
  start snapping their fingers to it and saying off-the-wall stuff.
  Don't remember any details.