Season 2, Episode 11: Masked Ball — December 15, 1990–January 11, 1991

I've only been reading the twin peaks stuff for a few weeks.  Everyone I work
with watches the show and we always spend a good part of our Monday's talking
about what happened Sat. night.  Many of our discussions have been reflected
in this news group.  However, I get exposed to many new ideas and can impress
my fellow workers with new insights since I read this group and they don't.

There is a subject that has been bothering me since way back.  
How can a town the size of Twin Peaks have a fancy department store?  One with
a mens fashion dept., a fancy perfume counter, etc.

There seems to be only one gas station, one bar, and one diner.  Is there a
fancy department store because there are no other places to spend money?

Any insights will be appreciated.  I know my friends are tired of me asking
about this so I won't push it on the newsgroup if I get a few responses.

Time to go shopping.

From: swilson@thetone.Eng.Sun.COM (Scott Wilson)

*I was trying to figure out if Dennis/Denise is supposed to be gay
*(their is a common misconception that cross-dressers are gay, but I've
*heard that 85% are heterosexual).  He/she seemed to take a liking to
*the sheriff, but I wasn't really sure.  Either way I think Cooper
*just lost my vote for sexiest man on TP to Denise.

I don't know if Dennis/Denise is supposed to be gay, but I get the
feeling he/she is supposed to be transsexual AS WELL AS being a
transvestite.  The two often get mixed up, along with homosexuality.
A transsexual wants to be the opposite sex -- since Dennis has
changed his/her name to Denise and wants to be referred to as "she",
I assume he/she is a transsexual.  Transvestism usually goes along
with this, as it is part of taking the role of the opposite sex.  However,
many transvestites (most?  I don't know) are NOT transsexuals.  They get
a kick out of the clothes, but are perfectly happy with their gender.

I too was pleased at how "straight" Denise is being played, and boy,
"she" really does dig the sheriff, doesn't she?

Kathleen

In article <13258@milton.u.washington.edu>, jespah@milton.u.washington.edu
(Kathleen Hunt) says:
> >
> >From: swilson@thetone.Eng.Sun.COM (Scott Wilson)
> >
> >*I was trying to figure out if Dennis/Denise is supposed to be gay
> >*(their is a common misconception that cross-dressers are gay, but I've
> >*heard that 85% are heterosexual).
> >
> >I don't know if Dennis/Denise is supposed to be gay, but I get the
> >feeling he/she is supposed to be transsexual AS WELL AS being a
> >transvestite.  The two often get mixed up, along with homosexuality.
> >A transsexual wants to be the opposite sex -- since Dennis has
> >changed his/her name to Denise and wants to be referred to as "she",
> >I assume he/she is a transsexual.

I agree that Denise is a transsexual since he/she is presenting
herself (I think I'll stick with the feminine since that seems
to be her preference) as a woman.  Most transvestites do not
cross-dress while performing everyday activities, such as their jobs.

There was a very good show on PBS sometime ago about a young man who
was a transsexual and trying to obtain a sex change operation.
Unfortunately, I started watching in the middle and don't know the
name of the show.  The individual in this documentary looked remarkably
like Denise.  Apparently, before getting the operation the person
must live as a woman (or man depending on which operation is being
sought) for at least two years before the final operation is done.
This is to ensure that the individual really wants to make
such a major decision as well as to get them psychologically prepared
for the change.  The documentary was excellent in depicting the trauma
the young man went through in first making the decision and then
carrying it out.  It showed him going to work as a woman (he was an
animator/cartoonist) and how his co-workers reacted.  It also showed
him going to a high school reunion and large family gathering.  The
reactions of the people were very similar to those in TP.  Sort of
bemused amusement.  No one appeared outwardly hostile.  Unfortunately
the show ended without the viewer finding out if he got the
operation because he lost his job (he said because of his decision
to become a woman, the employer said it was a layoff due to
economics) and he did not know if he could come up with the rest of
the money.  He was about half way through.  Anyway, it was very
informative.

I like Denise and hope she stays around TP for a while.


Linda

"Unfair advantage. How many of those girls were varsity wide receivers?"

   Explanation wanted of the profound significance of James' juke box 
choice.  I was expecting (1) Mairzy Doats (2) PEnnsylvania 6-5000
(3) something by Julee Cruise  (4) whatever it is Audrey dances to

   Somebody posted the claim that Lynch/Frost actually shot scenes with 
killers other than Leland to help keep things a secret.  If this is the
case, seeing a whole bunch of alternate endings unmasking Doc Hayward,
Donna, Harry, etc all in one show would be a lot more fun than a re-run.

In article <90351.095817ADMN8647@Ryerson.CA> ADMN8647@Ryerson.CA (Linda Birmingham) writes:

> >That was no Mountie!  RCMP officers do not  wear those silly uniforms
> >when on official duty, only at ceremonial functions or at tourist
> >sites (they wear very stylish brown tunics with black pants :>) ).
> >I was waiting for him to start singing "I'll be seeing you, ooooooo"
> >They would never be refered to as "Mountie whatever his name was".  The
> >RCMP is a paramilitary police force, a sort of combination FBI/CIA.
                                                                ^^^
Slight correction. the role of the CIA in Canada is now taken by the
Canadian Security and Intelligence Service (CSIS). Minor Point.

> >He would have been either inspector or major.  I hope this whole scene
> >was either the writers' sense of humour or a clue that this chap was
> >not a mountie.

> >[justified comments about American TV's ignorance of Canada deleted]

Actually, I have detected a pattern in TP. Lynch seems to like to set
up stereotypes so that he can knock them down. Perhaps this fits into
that category. Perhaps he is (very subtly) poking fun at some Americans'
general ignorance of the world outside of the US. It would seem
unlikely that DL hasn't had some contact with Canada, since many films
are partially or completely shot there.

> >LINDA

Anyway, more on the stereotype theory. Think about some of the
examples. Coop is a stereotypical police officer who turns out to use
very unconventional methods. Albert is a stereotypical intellectual
snob, but this stereotype is blown away with the 'sultan of sentiment'
speech and others. Lucy is the 'typical' dumb weak female receptionist
who turns out to be both strong and intelligent. Nadine is also a
'typical' weak female who is now surprisingly strong :->, and self
confident (she is talking about 'breaking up with' ed). Donna was a
'typical' innocent teenage girl.

Look for these stereotypes to be broken in the future:

Dick: Typical shallow salesman type.

Jean Renaud: Typical 'no redeeming qualities' bad guy.

the mountie: I'm not sure how they'll resolve this one without doing
something obvious like having Jean Renaud say "You stupid americans!
don't you know that mounties don't wear those ridiculous uniforms
anymore?" (Of course in his 'typical' french-Canadian Accent)


btw: The comment about 'the territory'. I took it in its more broad
meaning, like the territory around OEJ's.

Hans

In article <Dec.18.21.28.53.1990.3048@pilot.njin.net> carol@pilot.njin.net (Steve Carol) writes:
> >
> >Leland Speaks (Part II)
> >
> >[...]
> >
> >enjoy those legends of Count Dracula - Vladim Paylor [sp?]

Vlad the Impaler.  Count Vladimir Dracul (note: no 'a'), who was the
basis for Bram Stoker's character, earned his nickname by impaling his
victims on long sharp spikes.

-- Bernie Roehl, University of Waterloo Electrical Engineering Dept Mail: broehl@watserv1.waterloo.edu OR broehl@watserv1.UWaterloo.ca BangPath: {allegra,decvax,utzoo,clyde}!watmath!watserv1!broehl Voice: (519) 885-1211 x 2607 [work]

Can anybody make out what we're shown in the very last clip of
the previews at the end of the 12/15 show?  I can really make
no sense out of the jumble of images, but I do see a human thumb,
which might be Cooper's thumb on his dictaphone.  There is a
voice-over, something like:
Audrey:  Are you allright?
Cooper:  You may have saved my life.

- Greg
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* Greg Sandell (sandell@ils.nwu.edu)          Evanston, IL USA *
* Institute for the Learning Sciences, Northwestern University *
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In article <Dec.18.21.28.53.1990.3048@pilot.njin.net> carol@pilot.njin.net (Steve Carol) writes:

   ... much interesting transcription deleted...

   [RW]  Oh I don't know, I suppose it might have something to do 
   with my Rumanian heritage.  I'm half Rumanian on my mother's side 
   -- no I'm sure it doesn't have anything to do with that because 
   we've been here in this country for many, many years.  But I do 
   enjoy those legends of Count Dracula - Vladim Paylor [sp?]

That's Vlad Impaler, so-called because he impaled his victims.  Still
Vladim Paylor has a certain ring to it.

Thanks for the transcription.

-30-
Bob



      you 
   know, early on in the 14th, 15th century, and the whole vampire 
   mystique, and I just love to be scared.  I love to lie in bed late 
   at night under the covers and have that book in front of me and 
   shiver a bit when I read passages, certain passages.  And it feels 
   good, it feels -- to be on the edge, you know, of that kind of 
   danger, literary danger, that isn't life threatening -- it feels 
   pretty good and I enjoy that feeling.

   [TG]  now that your character of Leland Palmer is dead, is there 
   any chance that you're going to be coming back as an apparition or 
   in a flashback?

   [RW]  Well from your words up to God's ears [she laughs hard, he 
   chuckles]  I don't know... I suppose that that's always possible, 
   it would  be interesting and I'm sure that some thought about that 
   has been bandied about.  They don't miss a trick up there in the 
   Twin Peaks office.

   [TG] You're at NPR's Los Angeles bureau now, I'm in Philadelphia, 
   we're not really looking at each other.  I mean we can't see each 
   other, so I need to know:  is your hair really dark, or is it 
   really gray?

   [RW]  Well, oh, you mean my real hair.  My real hair is dark, dark 
   brown, and they had to make my hair white through a terrible 
   chemical process that I don't think anybody should have to endure, 
   but I did for several months.  They had to use major chemicals and 
   large amounts of them to make my hair as white as it looked on the 
   screen.  And right now I'm only half and half...

   [TG]  It's only half grown out?

   [RW]  Yeah, I'm very Madonna-ish, I guess. Very very dark roots 
   that are about an inch long, and then about an inch of white hair 
   on top of that and it looks, everybody tells me that it looks 
   quite good, but I can't imagine that.  I'm just giving my hair a 
   breather. I'm letting it rest a little bit and I promised my wife 
   that I'm going to get it cut within the next couple of weeks.

   [TG]  Well I want to thank you a lot for talking with us, it's 
   been a lot of fun to meet Ray Wise.

   [RW]  Yeah, it's great talking to you.  A lot of people, they've 
   seen a lot of Leland but not a lot of Ray and it's nice to talk to 
   you.

   [TG]  Actor Ray Wise.

   [some cool, smoky Twin Peaks music starts, and fades slowly...]

   ---------------------------
   Thanks to those on the net who sent the nice encouraging notes,
   prompting this second posting.  I apologize for not responding
   individually, but this being my first week on the net I have
   yet to become competent on some basics, like replying to email!

   Nevertheless, my priorities are clear.  I know how to keep up
   on ALT.TV.TWIN-PEAKS.  I'd say all else takes a back seat.
   -----------
   Steve Carol
   Carol@Pilot.NJIN.Net  
   -----------

In article <1990Dec18.154215.29471@icad.com> crm@icad.com (Christopher McConnell) writes:
> >In the beginning of the 12/15 show, James is riding his motorcycle along a
> >road.  Does anybody know where I can find the music he is riding to?

 Sounded to me like a generic blues riff in E, the foundation for about 
half of american popular music.

-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Roth, University of Wisconsin Physical Sciences Laboratory email: bill@pslu1.psl.wisc.edu bill@wiscpsl.bitnet / (608)-873-6651

Would someone mind giving a synopsis of preview for next episode (t
be aired 12/29 I suppose, whatever).  This ridiculous station in San
Jose always does their news lead-in instead of showing the preview
and then they casually cut in late to the credits.  By the way, is
there any way we can stop this abominable practice!!??

Anyway, thanks in advance for preview info.

In article <1990Dec19.030025.11230@alembic.acs.com> csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave Mack) writes:
:
:Additional strangeness: this episode is the first to contain a scene
:which takes place outside of the town of Twin Peaks - at "Wallies"
:where James meets Evelyn Marsh. More on this in a bit.

Not true.  One eyed jacks is not in Twin Peaks.

In article <1990Dec19.192242.11165@cs.ubc.ca> phillips@cs.ubc.ca (George Phillips) writes:
> >In article <1990Dec19.030025.11230@alembic.acs.com> csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave Mack) writes:

> >:Additional strangeness: this episode is the first to contain a scene
> >:which takes place outside of the town of Twin Peaks - at "Wallies"

> >Not true.  One eyed jacks is not in Twin Peaks.

Neither is Hank's prison, presumably.

-- * Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 * "Become FUEL, you FOSSILS!" --Ambush Bug

In article <265@anaxagoras.ils.nwu.edu> sandell@ils.nwu.edu (Greg Sandell) writes:
> >Can anybody make out what we're shown in the very last clip of
> >the previews at the end of the 12/15 show?  I can really make
> >no sense out of the jumble of images, but I do see a human thumb,
> >which might be Cooper's thumb on his dictaphone.  There is a
> >voice-over, something like:
> >Audrey:  Are you allright?
> >Cooper:  You may have saved my life.


It looks to me like a photograph, which someone (presumably Cooper) is
holding. In the photo, there is a person (probably male) in a leather jacket,
and I think another person and perhaps a car door or other door.  I conjecture
that this is a picture of a meeting between Hank (looks like his jacket) and
perhaps either Jean or the crook-mounty.  However, to literally have "saved
his life", it would have to be a picture of Windom Earle.

BTW: I hope the drop in traffic on alt.tv.twin-peaks is not an indication of
a massive drop in ratings.

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> >
>> >> Sorry to blow your [good] theory, but Cooper said in the season premiere 
>> >> that the gunman was wearing a mask.
> >
> >If, as I assume (you all probably know) that it was Leland who was watching
> >Maddie in 1006 and 1007, and that it was therefore Leland who attacked Jacoby,
> >and given that when Leland attacked Jacoby he was wearing a mask - couldn't the
> >person who shot Cooper have been Leland?
> >
> >Richard.
> >----------

Where would Leland have gotten the "same gun James Bond used"?

This tells me it was Cooper's ex-partner...

Roy (the other one)

In article <13700062@hpscdc.scd.hp.com> bobk@hpscdc.scd.hp.com (Bob Kelley) writes:
> >I love Teri Gross' show -- she is without a doubt the best
> >interviewer in America today.  About 2 months ago, she had
> >Angelo Badilimenti, the composer of Twin Peaks music.
> >
 
And in August, she interviewed both A. Badalamenti and
Julee Cruise.  It was right before the rerun of season
one.

In article <1990Dec18.172049.1@acad3.alaska.edu> fsejo@acad3.alaska.edu (Eric Olson) writes:
> >Our local station just aired The Witches of Eastwick as the sunday night movie
> >(tm) and I would almost swear that Nicholson's manservant in the turban was the
> >Giant.  Unfortunately, I can't swear to it, because our station didn't run the
> >credits.  Can anyone confirm or deny this?

Yes, it is. I saw the credits.

Tim Moore                    moore@cs.utah.edu {bellcore,hplabs}!utah-cs!moore
"Ah, youth. Ah, statute of limitations."
-John Waters

In article <1990Dec19.185758.5268@morrow.stanford.edu> HF.SKW@forsythe.stanford.edu (Susan Wandling) writes:
> >Would someone mind giving a synopsis of preview for next episode (t
> >be aired 12/29 I suppose, whatever).  This ridiculous station in San
> >Jose always does their news lead-in instead of showing the preview
> >and then they casually cut in late to the credits.  By the way, is
> >there any way we can stop this abominable practice!!??
> >
> >Anyway, thanks in advance for preview info.


According to ABC, the next episode will screen on January 12.

Leo

/ csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave Mack) /  7:00 pm  Dec 18, 1990 /
writes:

>> >>Here's the transcript of the tape from Wyndham Earle:
>> >>.
>> >>.
>> >>.
>> >>It's quite obvious that WE isn't talking about a chess game here.
>> >>I assume that his "emphatically traditional opening" refers to
>> >>the attempt to assassinate Cooper. 

I agree that WE is referring to his stalking of Cooper.
But, as a chessplayer myself, I'm following the game between
them as well.  WE's taped speech seems to me to have two
meanings, one chessic and one not.  All the adjectives in
WE's speech can be taken as referring to a chess game.  For
instance, his statement:

  Of course, you couldn't help but take note of my
  emphatically traditional opening. I must say, your
  responding move was nothing if not reflective of your
  predilection for the tidy and fastidious.  See how my
  response to you begins to lead us towards a classical
  confrontation?

describes schools of play among chessplayers ("traditional",
"classical", "tidy").  We know that WE's first move was P-K4
(or e4, for users of algebraic notation) and his second move
was P-Q4 (or d4).  If Cooper chose the French Defense (1. ..
P-K3 or .. e6), a "classical confrontation" would be
developing, in the sense that two classical methods of play
would confront each other.  If Cooper chose, say, 1. ..
P-KN3 (or .. g6), a confrontation would develop between the
classical approach and the so-called "hypermodern" approach.
This confrontation was at the heart of chess during the first
few decades of the twentieth century.

Just another example of things having (at least) two meanings
in this show.

- ced

Didn't Jack Nance also play Rizzo, the motor pool mechanic on M*A*S*H ?

In article <1990Dec19.140305.29668@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
> >
> >    Explanation wanted of the profound significance of James' juke box
> > choice.  I was expecting (1) Mairzy Doats (2) PEnnsylvania 6-5000
> > (3) something by Julee Cruise  (4) whatever it is Audrey dances to

My roommate remembers Bobby playing this song on the jukebox in the RR.
It was quite awhile ago.  He walked out as it started and said something
like, "this is for you."

--Cool Bean
--
**This is not cultural.

ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
> >    Explanation wanted of the profound significance of James' juke box 
> > choice.  I was expecting (1) Mairzy Doats (2) PEnnsylvania 6-5000
> > (3) something by Julee Cruise  (4) whatever it is Audrey dances to

(5) None of the above

The song is titled "I'm Hurt Bad" and is from the Industrial Symphony
video tape.  The video for this song features a large skinned deer
dancing on stage while various people including 'the man from another
place' shile light on it.  Twin Peak juke boxes have the strangest
selections.

Dave Rager

Someone pointed out that "Andrew" may have been the 'angel' that saved
Catherine.  This may be true to a point, but what if Wyndham Earle is
in disguise as Andrew?  I believe that Wydham's disappearance was
just before Catherine's was it not?  Food for paranoia?

vik

--
" Ooooh .... Big Woo "
Suzanne Sugarbaker upon shooting Anthony Bouvier

In article <1990Dec18.004239.8327@beach.csulb.edu> mig@beach.csulb.edu (Mig Gomez) writes:
> >
> >As a matter of fact, TwinPeaks will be preempted for two consecutive weeks.
> >I learned this from the Killer BOB interview this morning on LA station
> >KROQ. This means that the next episode is on January 5, 1991.
> >
> >Sigh. |-(
> >
> >-mig

Whomever heard the Killer Bob interview....for those of use who don't live'
in LA, could you please summarize what the guy said? Did he talk about
how he felt about playing the character? What's he like in REAL life? WAs
he upset or happy about killing Maddie "on-air?"

INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW!!!

Thanks!!!!!

-- ____*_ Lynn Schneider lzs@indetech.com \ / / Independence Technologies {sun,sharkey,pacbell}!indetech!lzs \/ / 42705 Lawrence Place FAX: 415 438-2034 \/ Fremont, CA 94538 Voice: 415 438-2077

According to the local cable guide for the month of December (which
came out late in November), Twin Peaks will not be shown on the 22nd,
nor on the 29th.  "Local," in this case, means San Diego.

                           :: Jeff Makey

Department of Tautological Pleonasms and Superfluous Redundancies Department
    Disclaimer: I am just a guest of Logicon.
    Domain: Makey@Logicon.COM    UUCP: ucsd!snoopy!Makey

In article <73343255@bfmny0.BFM.COM>, tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes...

} In article <2375@maus.Morgan.COM> maus@Morgan.COM (Malcolm Austin) writes:

}} Is Twin Peaks likely to be syndicated?

} Now, however, the situation has changed with cable.  Programming there
} is much more flexible; with no network affiliation cable channels can
} operate on shorter cycles if they wish.  An example (close to my heart)
} is SPENSER:FOR HIRE, which only ran three seasons and thus looked doomed
} from a syndie standpoint.  Lo and behold, LIFETIME picked it up and
} strips it weekdays at 10:30am and weeknights at midnight, plus one show
} on Saturday afternoon.  They'll run through the canon in a few months,
} but so what?  Their target audience of tapeheads, soapheads and shutins
} doesn't care about orderly TV seasons anyway.  Loop forever or start a
} new show.

} If TP can last three seasons, I expect they'll be on cable somewhere.

Actually, you bring up a good example with Lifetime, as they've been
known to show very short-run series. One that I recall was called THE
INSIDERS, about an investigative journalist for some magazine. The show
lasted about six weeks on the network, but ran on Lifetime as a weekly.
Lifetime has also been running E.R., with Elliot Gould, which lasted only
one season.

And TNT has been showing LOGAN'S RUN, which only lasted about a dozen
episodes.

TWIN PEAKS has enough episodes to syndicate if they were shown in a
weekly slot. Stripping it wouldn't work quite as well, but it could be
done.

-- "Evvy little bug got a honey ta hug but me." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <47425@apple.Apple.COM>, scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass) writes...

} In my San Jose newspaper the listing for next Saturday shows "Columbo:
} Fade in to Murder" on ABC from 9:30 to 11 PM. Is this happening
} everywhere?

No. The Boston Edition of TV GUIDE shows an NFL football game on ABC all
evening. Perhaps your local affiliate isn't showing the game for some
reason.

} We're not going to miss an episode, are we?

Doesn't look it.

-- "Evvy little bug got a honey ta hug but me." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <1990Dec17.182432.1003@godot.RadOnc.UNC.EDU>, thorn@godot.RadOnc.UNC.EDU (Jesse Thorn) writes...

} While looking for VCR tapes for my kids for Xmas I came across a version
} of "Tom Thumb" starring Terry Thomas as The Villain and, yes you geussed
} it, Russ Tamblyn as Tom. It was shown recently on the Disney Channel. Is
} this our Dear Doctor?

Yes, it is. I was watching the film a couple of weeks ago on Disney, and
the face (though 30 years younger) was unmistakable.

-- "Evvy little bug got a honey ta hug but me." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <8047@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU>, hjohar@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Hardeep Johar) writes...

}} comment was a classic, "It's a good color for him."

} I thought he said "It's a good cover for him".

No, it was "color". I suppose we're going to have to appeal to the close-
captioning gods again if enough people disagree.

-- "Evvy little bug got a honey ta hug but me." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

According to the publicity material the BBC are putting out for the second
series of Twin Peaks (which begins on BBC2 on January 8th) this will be
the final series of Twin Peaks. I've not seen anything in a.t.t-p about
ABC making a decision...

And what about Dougie?  He owns the paper.

--Cool Bean
-- **This is not cultural.

The similarities you've noticed may say more for the
universality of Shakespeare than anything else....

On the other hand, notice that Lynch/Frost have also included
Shakespearean Schtick #31: Woman Disguised as Man.




--
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**"The doctor say, 'Carl, you don't need no pills***** Connie Hirsch ****
**Just a handful of nickels and a jukebox***********fuzzy@athena.mit.edu*
*****will cure all your ills.'" -Bopping the Blues****chirsch@lotus.com**

I just thought of a theme which seems to be surfacing lately on TP.
Role reversal. What got me thinking about it was the marriage. In that
scene the former mayor editorializes against the (former?)
newpaperman. Then I got thinking about other role reversals. Denise is
an obvious one of course, but the most important one is the
'investigation' of Coop. The role reversal would be complete if it
turned out that the mountie *was* a fake and he was therefore being
'investigated' by a crook. The purpose of the 2 new, seemingly useless
characters could simply be to provide another parallel to Coops role
reversal. 

Just another one of my stupid theories.

Hans

In article <3268@nosc.NOSC.MIL>, koziarz@halibut.nosc.mil (Walter A. Koziarz) writes...

}} Are we really to believe that the check was a forgery?

} Sure, why not? Perhaps someone can/will confirm/deny this; but there
} *was no* 'Mr. Tojimura' (sp?) in reality, so a check endorsed by 'him'
} should be value-less (I think, anyway).

There was no endorsement. It was a cashier's check. The buyer of that
check gave $5M to the bank, and the bank cut a check for the amount,
payable to Ben Horne.

} How about this speculation --

} Josie was beaten *because* the check was no good (I do seem to recall
} that Ben gave Josie the check, didn't he?)

Josie wasn't beaten. She specifically said to Harry that she escaped
from Jonathan at the airport in Seattle. There was no time for anyone
to discover that the check was no good.

If Josie had been beaten because of the check, you can be sure that if
she managed to live through it, she'd've been so bruised that she'd look
like a giant blueberry.

-- "Evvy little bug got a honey ta hug but me." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <Dec.18.21.28.53.1990.3048@pilot.njin.net>, carol@pilot.njin.net (Steve Carol) writes...

} But I do enjoy those legends of Count Dracula - Vladim Paylor [sp?]

That's Vlad Tepes, a.k.a. Vlad Dracul [Dragon], a.k.a. Vlad the Impaler,
the very real Transylvanian prince who served as a model of sorts for
the character of Dracula.

-- "Evvy little bug got a honey ta hug but me." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <1990Dec19.044528.28478@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu>, hang-r@hpuxa.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Roger P. Hangarter) writes...

} How can a town the size of Twin Peaks have a fancy department store?
} One with a mens fashion dept., a fancy perfume counter, etc.

} There seems to be only one gas station, one bar, and one diner.

And 51,201 people, according to the sign. That is *not* a small town.

-- "Evvy little bug got a honey ta hug but me." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <12432676@bfmny0.BFM.COM> tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes:
> >In article <1990Dec19.140305.29668@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
>> >>   Explanation wanted of the profound significance of James' juke box 
>> >>choice.  I was expecting (1) Mairzy Doats (2) PEnnsylvania 6-5000
>> >>(3) something by Julee Cruise  (4) whatever it is Audrey dances to
> >
> >I forget exactly which piece it is right now, but that was some more
> >Angelo Badalamenti music.  You can hear it on -- WAIT FOR IT! --
> >Industrial Symphony #1.  I recommend a couple viewings of IS1 for all
> >Peaks freaks.  Great for spotting subtexts and fetishes in the TV show.


Very interesting. I thought the music was simply a great expression of the
emotions Evelyn feels and inspires in James. Amazing that there is
even more to it!  Is Industrial Symphony a video, a movie?
 
a.h.

In article <1990Dec18.154215.29471@icad.com>, crm@icad.com (Christopher McConnell) writes...

} In the beginning of the 12/15 show, James is riding his motorcycle along
} a road. Does anybody know where I can find the music he is riding to?

It was undoubtedly written by Angelo Badalamenti, who scores the entire
show. It hasn't appeared on any album yet, though I suppose it will if
they ever issue a TP Soundtrack Volume 2.

-- "Evvy little bug got a honey ta hug but me." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

jack nance is the actor in both eraserhead and twin peaks (pete
martell).  it's been a few years -- time will do that.

linda

In article <18380@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
> >In article <8047@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU>, hjohar@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Hardeep Johar) writes...
> >}} comment was a classic, "It's a good color for him."
> >} I thought he said "It's a good cover for him".
> >No, it was "color". I suppose we're going to have to appeal to the close-
> >captioning gods again if enough people disagree.

I re-watched the tape last night and remembered these posts when that scene
came on.  It is definately "color".  The "l" sound is well pronounced.

-- Scott Amspoker | Basis International, Albuquerque, NM | This space left blank (505) 345-5232 | unmvax.cs.unm.edu!bbx!bbxsda!scott |

In article <19080024@hpclpa.HP.COM> dupree@hpclpa.HP.COM (Chuck Dupree) writes:
> >/ csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave Mack) /  7:00 pm  Dec 18, 1990 /
> >writes:
> >
                THE CHESS GAME:

>>> >>>It's quite obvious that WE isn't talking about a chess game here.
>>> >>>I assume that his "emphatically traditional opening" refers to
>>> >>>the attempt to assassinate Cooper. 
 
I also see the shooting of Cooper as Windom Earle's first move.
It is emphatic, undoubtedly, but what makes it traditional?
Perhaps it is like the opening trumpet blast at a tournament.
"Tah, tah TAH!"
> >
> >
If Cooper chose the French Defense (1. ..
> >P-K3 or .. e6), a "classical confrontation" would be
> >developing, in the sense that two classical methods of play
> >would confront each other.  If Cooper chose, say, 1. ..
> >P-KN3 (or .. g6), a confrontation would develop between the
> >classical approach and the so-called "hypermodern" approach.
> >This confrontation was at the heart of chess during the first
> >few decades of the twentieth century.
> >
> >Just another example of things having (at least) two meanings
> >in this show.
> >
Why stop at just two meanings. I could go on and on and probably will!
"Hobgoblins, Dale" is a reference  to "consistency is the hobgoblin of small
minds - meaning that one must dare to be inconsistent."
Earle goes on to discuss the dangers of predictable behaviour. I find that
interesting because it is known, among the criminal element, that 
'straight' people make themselves vulnerable through the predictable
routines they fall into.
"What are my true intentions?"   Indeed.
Is Earle a criminal now?  Does he want to destroy Dale or is he still trying 
to be Dale's teacher by teaching him the value of unpredictability?
 
Earle's description of the progress of his game reminds me of the historic
progress of Evil in the world. It starts with war (knights scirmishing) 
moves into religion and politics (bishops and castles) and ends with the
war and politics sacrificing civilians casually (pawns forfeit)  and the
destruction of the female element in the modern world (sacrifice of the queen)
Of course this is my personal opinion  :-)
 
a.h.

Roger P. Hangarter writes:

> > There is a subject that has been bothering me since way back.  
> > How can a town the size of Twin Peaks have a fancy department store?  One with
> > a mens fashion dept., a fancy perfume counter, etc.

> > There seems to be only one gas station, one bar, and one diner.  Is there a
> > fancy department store because there are no other places to spend money?

> > Any insights will be appreciated.  I know my friends are tired of me asking
> > about this so I won't push it on the newsgroup if I get a few responses.

I seem to remember this being discussed a while back, but just my own HO...

Just because the action of Twin Peaks focuses on a few locations and a select
group of people, we shouldn't assume that that's all there is to the town.
Especially if the sign in the credits is correct and the population is 50,000+.
I live in Fort Collins, CO, and we have 70,000-90,000 residents (depending on
which propaganda you read) when *all* the students at CSU are here.  So we
would fit in the same small town range.  However, we're hardly a 1 gas station
town.  We have 3 shopping malls (only one is really surviving, though), lots
of community shopping areas, and all sorts of theaters, rec centers, etc.
that make this a nice place to live.

It seems that the creators of TP want to give the town a close-knit atmosphere,
and they can best do that by limiting the scope of the action.  But it is
hardly unreasonable to expect that there be a big department store in town.


Sheila Wassmer, Hewlett-Packard Colorado IC Division
sew@hpfitst1.HP.COM

In article <59830@microsoft.UUCP> dante@microsoft.UUCP (Daniel TENENBAUM) writes:
> >Don't you think Leland would have known the jig was up at that point, because,
> >being a convicted felon, he could not practice law?  

My wife writes:

But Leland WASN'T a convicted felon.  He'd only had a hearing to determine his
fitness to stand trial.  He was loose in TP on his own recognasance(sp?) and 
died before his own legal situation went anywhere.


-- Jim von Schmacht Senior Member, Project Test Staff Ashton Tate Corporation Disclaimer: Standard Issue -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It isn't the years - it's the mileage" -Indiana Jones

In article <12432678@bfmny0.BFM.COM> tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes:
> >In article <265@anaxagoras.ils.nwu.edu> sandell@ils.nwu.edu (Greg Sandell) writes:
> >the rest clearly shows 1/4 profile
> >of a curly headed person with sunglasses and upturned collar walking
> >into an exterior doorway.  Audrey asks "I did all right, huh?" and
> >Cooper responds "You may have saved my life."

We don't get to see the previews on Global, but from the description I'd
guess that Audrey may have photographed Windom Earle.
-- Bernie Roehl, University of Waterloo Electrical Engineering Dept Mail: broehl@sunee.waterloo.edu OR broehl@sunee.UWaterloo.ca BangPath: {allegra,decvax,utzoo,clyde}!watmath!sunee!broehl Voice: (519) 885-1211 x 2607 [work]

(aside to Peakers: I'm cross-posting this because TP an DS are perhaps the
only two examples of their genre; followups to rec.arts.tv only, please!)

Saw the first promo for Dark Shadows... they're certainly keeping a lot of
the visual tokens of the original.  Barnabas' ring, his cane, and the font
for the title all brought back memories.

Gosh, I hope it's good.

-- Bernie Roehl, University of Waterloo Electrical Engineering Dept Mail: broehl@sunee.waterloo.edu OR broehl@sunee.UWaterloo.ca BangPath: {allegra,decvax,utzoo,clyde}!watmath!sunee!broehl Voice: (519) 885-1211 x 2607 [work]

In article <18380@shlump.nac.dec.com>, boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
> > In article <8047@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU>, hjohar@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Hardeep Johar) writes...
> > 
> > }} comment was a classic, "It's a good color for him."
> > 
> > } I thought he said "It's a good cover for him".
> > 
> > No, it was "color". I suppose we're going to have to appeal to the close-
> > captioning gods again if enough people disagree.

Well, I watched it again last night.  The exact quote is, "That's a good 
color for him."

--Cool Bean
-- **This is not cultural.

I have a prediction for a future TP episode.  Gordon Cole is going
to try to reach Evelyn (James' new richlady friend) by phone and
somehow not get through to her.  Evelyn is going to think that
she is needed to help solve a crime.  However, James will find out
that what Gordon Cole really wants is to borrow her husband's 
Jaguar because they need it as a prop for a sting operation, and
James will hide this from her to keep her from becoming disappointed.

Heh-heh.  Has anyone out there figured out what I'm referring to?

Greg
****************************************************************
* Greg Sandell (sandell@ils.nwu.edu)          Evanston, IL USA *
* Institute for the Learning Sciences, Northwestern University *
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hang-r@hpuxa.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Roger P. Hangarter) writes:
> >How can a town the size of Twin Peaks have a fancy department store?  One with
> >a mens fashion dept., a fancy perfume counter, etc.

I grew up (partly) in a town of 17000 plus a university and it had at
least one such store (this was 30 years ago, maybe it's a KMart now).
Twin Peaks has a population around 50000, believe it or not,* so it
seems quite likely to me.  This also explains how we see characters
who we think ought to know each other, but don't.

/JBL

*See TP sign in opening credits.
=
Nets: levin@bbn.com  |  "There were sweetheart roses on Yancey Wilmerding's
 or {...}!bbn!levin  |  bureau that morning.  Wide-eyed and distraught, she
POTS: (617)873-3463  |  stood with all her faculties rooted to the floor."

*sigh* my sister wants twin peaks sounds.  Can anyone send
me a list of FTP sites?  The only one I know of is at
abcfd20.larc.nasa.gov.  Thanks.

-Sho
--
xxx <<-- hopefully before xmas...

Is it just me or does the name 'Evelyn Marsh' sound very 
familiar.  I'd be very surprised if they weren't pulling another
cinema allusion a la Waldo Lydecker et al.  Any clues?

"Stupid flying saucer get in Frankenstein's WAY!"Ed, the happy clown
George.Harris@samba.acs.unc.eduGe|ge

In article <1990Dec19.044528.28478@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu>,
hang-r@hpuxa.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Roger P. Hangarter) writes:
> > 
> > There is a subject that has been bothering me since way back.  
> > How can a town the size of Twin Peaks have a fancy department store? 
One with
> > a mens fashion dept., a fancy perfume counter, etc.

Some small towns have them, or at least used to.  Wasn't
the original J.C. Penney store in some puny place like
West Yellowstone or something?


------------------
Paul Raveling
Raveling@Unify.com

/ alex@c3.com (alex gabis) /  8:55 pm  Dec 18, 1990 /
writes:

>> >>Does anyone else like the character of the old waiter?
>> >>I was really pleased when it became apparent that he and the giant
>> >>were spiritually connected.  I think he deserves a little more respect
>> >>now that his true nature has been revealed - so how's about we change
>> >>his name to something other than 'Senor Droolcup'.  This appelation
>> >>is pretty demeaning, don't you think?  What about something like
>> >>the 'Ancient and Venerable Butler'  - AVB for short.

My impression was that we were using the semi-official name,
originated by Albert and therefore meant to be demeaning by
him, but not (necessarily) meant that way by us.

- ced

Ciao--

Thanks to everyone who sent me the TP characters doing
the 12 Days of Xmas...


Sally---Have a Happy Sol Invictus--


Sally A. Wilson             || But you never know what can happen...
    || at the last minute...I mean I may
sally@mica.berkeley.edu     || actually think of something here;
         || and if I do you just watch out!

maus@Morgan.COM (Malcolm Austin) writes:

> >Major spoilers if you didn't see the 12/15 episode!

> >And, still, why did Catherine shell out $5 mil for the mill when she got Ben
> >to sign through blackmail?  Are we really to believe that the check was a
> >forgery?

Because now she can ask for her money back.  Which of course, Ben can't
supply.  So she'll have to take the Great Northern instead.  Ah, my
little heart beats pitty patter for the poor boy.
-- "SO be it! The fate of the UNIVERSE is in your hands!" "Talk about job-related stress."

In article <5731@healey> meier@healey (Rolf Meier) writes:
> >In article <22160@well.sf.ca.us> emmanuel@well.sf.ca.us (Emmanuel Goldstein) writes:
>> >>
>> >>For the record, I've been receiving all of the TP sound files
>> >>and making use of them on my Mac. I feel forever indebted to
> >
> >I can't think of anything more stupid.  Why do people want to listen
> >to a computer saying one line?  Why don't you just use a tape
> >recorder for the whole show and listen to whatever you want?
> >That's got to be cheaper.
> >
> >Besides, don't think it doesn't cost anything to send those huge
> >files all over the continent.
> >
> >___________________________________________________________________
> >Rolf MeierMitel Corporation
> >   "Everthing You Know Is Wrong"

It also doesn't cost nothing to post your flames on these machines.

Now that that's over with, I can explain. I'll take it slow since
by your disgust it's clear you've never experienced multimedia:
The Macintosh is a personal computer. One of the benefits of a Mac
over a PC is its lush user environment, should you choose to play a little.
You can have background pictures on the desktop (this is what the backdrop
of the Mac is called) and have the make play sounds when you do things like
eject/insert a disk, type certain keys, boot/reboot/shutdown or get an 
error message. All these seeming frills make my working environment more
humourous and pleasurable, which leads to greater productivity. I also 
just find it funny for my desktop computer to say "DAMN fine coffee!" at
me. 

Perhaps your .sig should be:
"Everything I don't agree with is STUPID!"

Jim

--
James "Rebel Without A Clue" Deane          Institute for Astronomy
deane@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu                2680 Woodlawn Dr
"My God, it's full of *s!"                  Honolulu, HI 96822
Grad Student/Astronomer/Diver/Mac Technician

hang-r@hpuxa.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Roger P. Hangarter) writes:

> >How can a town the size of Twin Peaks have a fancy department store?  One with
> >a mens fashion dept., a fancy perfume counter, etc.

It's a town of 50,000 and probably the regional center of civilization.
So supporting a large dept store is no problem.

> >There seems to be only one gas station, one bar, and one diner.  Is there a
> >fancy department store because there are no other places to spend money?

You've only seen one gas station, one bar and one diner because that's
all the plot requires you see.  It's a safe bet there's probably more.
-- "SO be it! The fate of the UNIVERSE is in your hands!" "Talk about job-related stress."

In article <5731@healey> meier@healey (Rolf Meier) writes:
> >In article <22160@well.sf.ca.us> emmanuel@well.sf.ca.us (Emmanuel Goldstein) writes:
>> >>
>> >>For the record, I've been receiving all of the TP sound files
>> >>and making use of them on my Mac. I feel forever indebted to
>> >>those of you who have been kind enough to post them. Please
>> >>keep them coming as Twin Peaks has an endless supply of
>> >>terrific quotes. People come from miles around to hear the
>> >>latest ones on my computer. 
> >
> >I can't think of anything more stupid.  Why do people want to listen
> >to a computer saying one line?  Why don't you just use a tape
> >recorder for the whole show and listen to whatever you want?
> >That's got to be cheaper.

Actually, if you have the right software, you can take the Mac sounds and use
them as start up beeps or system beeps -- I use "Great, Pay Dirt!" as a
system beep....However, I prefer the FTP solution, and am glad that someone
is posting them instead to an ftp site.  I've picked all of those up.

So, except for the REALLY long ones, it isn't quite as stupid as it sounds....

Michael Lee

-- "Everyday, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it just let it happen. It could be a new shirt from the men's store, a cat nap in your office chair, or two cups of hot black coffee." - Agent Dale Cooper, TP

Dave Arlington writes:
>> >>    And so we come to my latest explanation for all this. Josie is still
>> >> working for Eckhart and is planning to spy on Catherine. Catherine, who
>> >> knows her brother is now alive, will use Josie and Eckhart to wipe her own
>> >> brother out of the scheme, leaving everything to herself. Of course,
>> >> following Mike' theory of double and triple crosses, I expect Andrew will
>> >> find out about his sister's plans against him and team up with Ben Horne,
>> >> neatly bringing Ben back into power.

Lynn Z. Schneider writes:
> > I think that is a very good line of reasoning! We'll just have to wait to
> > see if your insights come true! Andrew being alive certainly adds a 
> > new twist to things....

I think Andrew's presence was menacing at best.  If he harbours BOB it
could explain his "sudden" return to Twin Peaks?  Teaming up with Ben
makes a certain amount of sense.  Ben controlled a sizeable corruption
and seemed to be quite natural for the job.  BOB/Leland posed as his
lawyer and it was his presence that perhaps kept the whole thing going. 

If the White/Black Lodge talk is going to amount to anything, then
it seems like the Black Lodge has been dealt a rather serious blow.
How will it react and through whom?  Perhaps WE's training of Cooper
was a lot more esoteric than has been hinted at?  So maybe the owls
are a kind of "guardian" that watch over this place of legend in the
woods?  

The last episode gave a few more ideas/threads to pursue.  It's the
only commercial tv show I tape or watch with any amount of regularity.
So it fits that it should be pre-empted!  Damn ad driven tv...


--    --
rj pietkivitchatt!ihlpa!rjp1

In article <18402@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
> >In article <1990Dec19.044528.28478@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu>, hang-r@hpuxa.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Roger P. Hangarter) writes...
> >
> >} How can a town the size of Twin Peaks have a fancy department store?
> >} One with a mens fashion dept., a fancy perfume counter, etc.
> >
> >} There seems to be only one gas station, one bar, and one diner.
> >
> >And 51,201 people, according to the sign. That is *not* a small town.
 
Thanks. The reception in our area is not so great for most of us for the
station carrying Twin Peaks.  We have been under the impression that the
population was 11,???.  The writing on the sing is always too fuzzy for us
to see the individual numbers.

In article <1990Dec11.010936.6197@math.lsa.umich.edu>, ekushnir@math.lsa.umich.edu (Eugene Kushnirsky) writes...

} (By the way, I can't leave without giving the canonical spelling of Cooper's
} ex-partner, according to the TV listings. "Windom Earle". There. That's 
} W-I-N-D-O-M. Personally, I feel that "Wyndham" makes more sense, but I don't
} write the show.

Until it was printed in TV GUIDE, I spelled it "Wyndham" simply because of
the sf writer John Wyndham (whose real name is John Wyndham Parkes Lewis).

} So now we all know how to spell it and can go back to arguing about
} "McLaughlin", "Jose", and "Jaque Renou".)
                                   ^^^^^
Actually, one of the nice touches was waaaaaayyyyyy back in the scene where
Andy finds the vet file on Waldo, he pronounces "Renault" as rhyming with
"halt". It was a minor thing, but it felt right for Andy to think it was
pronounced that way.

-- "Evvy little bug got a honey ta hug but me." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

Have I missed something? Windom Earl made two chess moves and we haven't
seen one from Cooper. If Cooper did make a move, how did he communicate
it to WE? What does it mean that WE takes the white pieces?


-- Terry Monks Automata Design Inc (703) 472-9400

scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes:

> >Because now she can ask for her money back.  Which of course, Ben can't
> >supply.  So she'll have to take the Great Northern instead.  Ah, my
> >little heart beats pitty patter for the poor boy.

No, it was probably the payment for Ghostwood.  Remember him signing it
over to her in the jail?

Whether it was real money or not is yet to be seen.  I have never thought
it was, but we will find out, I guess.

Some of you think Andrew Packard is Windom Earl???  I don't understand what 
is going on with AP yet, but that is ridiculous!
--
John Carey
University of Illinois
Dept. of Computer Science
carey@a.cs.uiuc.edu {uu-net,pur-ee,convex,...}!uiucdcs!carey

In article <615@adimail.UUCP>, tel@adimail.UUCP (Terry Monks) says:
> >
> >Have I missed something? Windom Earl made two chess moves and we haven't
> >seen one from Cooper. If Cooper did make a move, how did he communicate
> >it to WE? What does it mean that WE takes the white pieces?

Cooper does have a board set up in his room.  Maybe WE is watching
Cooper's room and therefore knows what Coop's response was.  Just
a thought.


Linda

"May a smile be your umbrella"

In article <1535@mtunf.ATT.COM> pjc@mtunf.att.com (Pamela Culbreth) writes:
> >As I was watching the 12/15 episode, I found Ben's
> >performance intriguing.  First of all, he's usually 
> >well-groomed and in a suit.  But in his scene he was
> >unshaven and in a bathrobe.  Something's amiss!
> >
> >But after thinking about "Where BOB went", and hearing
> >Ben keep repeating "You're OUT, Ben", I couldn't help
> >but wonder if maybe, just maybe, BOB might have said
> >the same thing to Ben.  "Yo Ben, do you mind if I rent
> >out this prime piece of real estate in your conscience?"
> >
> >But, I'm *really* hoping that BOB ends up in James,
> >who then gets rid of Donna, and then promptly dies.  Can 
> >you say, "Bad Actors Anonymous," sure, sure you can...
> >
> >pjc


I think that Ben is enjoying a nervous breakthrough - a major mental
re-organization that follows a great shock.  I say "enjoying" because 
his image, the image he worked so hard to maintain, is shot to hell and
he finds it freeing.  It means he can drop the act and re-connect with
what *really* matters to him. His behaviour looks extremely healthy to 
me because he is forgetting about the surface of his life and looking at
it core.
 
I was hoping that Bob would end up in James also, to take James down a
peg, but now it looks like Evelyn and her husband will do that without 
any help from Bob.
 
a.h.

boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
> >} it, Russ Tamblyn as Tom. It was shown recently on the Disney Channel. Is
> >} this our Dear Doctor?
> >Yes, it is. I was watching the film a couple of weeks ago on Disney, and
> >the face (though 30 years younger) was unmistakable.

In fact, his name in TV Guide was why I tuned into a bit of the early
episodes the first time they were on; I wanted to see what he looked
like after all this time.  (I didn't watch TP seriously until the
summer reruns; I haven't missed an episode yet (thank you vcrgod!).)

=
Nets: levin@bbn.com  |  "There were sweetheart roses on Yancey Wilmerding's
 or {...}!bbn!levin  |  bureau that morning.  Wide-eyed and distraught, she
POTS: (617)873-3463  |  stood with all her faculties rooted to the floor."

Horse is heroin....cocaine is pony.  Just fyi.

In article <1990Dec19.185758.5268@morrow.stanford.edu>, HF.SKW@forsythe.stanford.edu (Susan Wandling) writes:
> > Would someone mind giving a synopsis of preview for next episode (t
> > be aired 12/29 I suppose, whatever).  This ridiculous station in San
> > Jose always does their news lead-in instead of showing the preview
> > and then they casually cut in late to the credits.  By the way, is
> > there any way we can stop this abominable practice!!?? 

You could try watching Channel 7 instead of Channel 11! Channel 11 isn't 
even in stereo, for crying out loud!!

...It's a dove, it's an owl, it's...

  Many of us are still uncertain about the final scene in which we view BOB,
without human host, flying through the indusrtial waste (???) of the
Twin Peaks outskirts. (David Lynch must've been off at Denny's getting
his daily mealdeal when they shot that one.)

  The results of many slomo viewing are still inconclusive. The final shot
is indeed an owl. (Prize for that one ???) The owl is shown on approach
in reversed contrast, (black/white -> white/black) and the switch to
normal color is staggered. As to the initial appearance of the owl,
the talons are not visible separate from the body and given the white
coloration of the image it does indeed seem to be something like a dove.
However, as the owl comes closer, the talons begin to lower. Therefore,
you see, one cannot really insist that the image began as a dove because
of the ...talons were raised... ...image was blurred... sort of reasonings
that might be used to counter such reasonings.

...T-Shirts already

  Has everyone noticed the new twin peaks T-Shirt line. I stopped into an
alternative clothing store called GEAR in Atlanta Georgia to look around
and stumbled upon the RR diner tshirt series. There was one with a large
cup of coffee and the caption "a good cup of joe", and another with
a large slice of cherry pie and caption. In the lower corner the RR diner
logo and the twin peaks logo. (/\ TWIN PEAKS /\)

...Reusable Actors

  I believe everyone who has see the movie "Look who's talking" will recognize
Major Briggs as the doctor who initially confirms Kirstie Allie's pregnancy.
The giant, aside from his role as Darryl Van Horne's (Jack Nicholson) butler
in "The Witches of Eastwick" also started in one of the old Star Trek
episodes. Maybe someone can help me remember the name of the episode where
he spent his time under the surface of that ransacked planet with all the
androids and blinky lights ???
                                   

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        In heaven, everything is fine....
        In heaven, everything is fine...
        You've got your good things and I've got mine.

        In heaver, everything is fine...
        In heaven, everything is fine...
        You've got your good things and you've got mine.

                ... said a shy girl with ovaries in her cheeks
                             ((( EraserHead )))

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From:Lee Crawford
crawford@fsulcd.physics.fsu.edu
fsulcd::crawford(DECnet)

Arbitrary Quote:  I am the ghost of troubled joe,
hung by his pretty white neck some 18 months ago.
I traveled to a mystical time zone and I missed my bed and
I soon came home.

  They said there's too much caffeine in you bloodstream,
and a lack of real spice in your life.

Morrissey of The Smiths

[EOB]

  The movie ERASERHEAD was made in the year 1977, the movie BLUE VELVET followed
in
1983. (Though I would get the exact dates out) 

  Jack Nance played the focus character of Henry Spencer in ERASERHEAD, and he
also
played a smaller role in BLUE VELVET. If you recall the scene at ``SAMS''
place,
(SAM was the drug  dealer. [Now the computer guy on Quantum Leap]) Jack Nance
was
the guy who kept appearing on Jeffrey's left side introducing himself. He also
played in
WILD AT HEART as the guy that kept talking about his dog while Lula and Sailor
were stopped
off in the town of Big Tune. And of course, now, he is also Pete Martell.

  I really don't buy any of this "BOB is inhabiting Benjamin Horne" stuff, I
mean really. BOB has
no predilection for the harrassment of dirtbags, he prefers innocence. You'll
notice that this
normally translates into a fondness for girls. You may argue that Laura was
hardly innocent,
but reading the diary, we also know that BOB attempted to interfere with Laura
at the age of
12. She wouldn't play with him and it angered him. She was innocent at twelve
and in the evil
sense she, like her father, was innocent when she died. BOB was pissed that he
could never
have her and he destroyed her.

  Obviously Andrew is the angel that saved Catherine the night of the mill fire.
I doubt she 
knew he was alive before that. (I think she originally though it was an angel,
only to learn
later that it was her long dead brother Andrew who saved her.) I doubt that BOB
is in Andrew,
there is no reason for it. 

Author:Lee Crawford
crawford@fsulcd.physics.fsu.edu
fsulcd::crawford (DECnet)

Hmmmm:Old Man Kinsey, he wants to be sign painter,
but first he's gotta learn to read....

Michael Stipe & R.E.M.

Ha! According to this interview with Wise, Leland's stuff in the
confession episode (the only thing I liked in that dreary morass)
was all his own ideas, not the directors. Well, that explains a lot.
-- c2h5oh@ucscb.ucsc.edu | "Have you ever seen a grown man in a beard and | business attire hopping, skipping and jumping in the | Port Authority terminal? It looks damned stupid."

levin@bbn.com (Joel B Levin) writes:

> > I'm having a problem with the chess game.  Though I'm in the middle of
> > reviewing (or re-viewing) the second season episodes, maybe I've
> > missed something.
> > 
> > How did Cooper let W.E. know his response to W.E.'s opening move?
> > 
> > It would appear from the second move received that there should have
> > been a response.

It was pretty clear to me that the entire point of the business about 
Cooper's preference for conservatism (as pointed out by Earle - I don't 
remember the exact lines) was to point out that Cooper HADN'T made a 
move in response, and Earle took that AS a move.

**************************************************************************
"Mr. BOB, you've killed Theresa Banks,   *                Richard Barrett
 Laura Palmer, Jacques Renault, and      *             18004 146th Ave NE
 Maddy Ferguson. What are you going to   *          Woodinville, WA 98072
 do next?"                               *                (206)487-1312
"I'm going to Disneyland!"               *hikaru%halcyon.uucp@seattleu.edu
**************************************************************************

> > What does it mean that WE takes the white pieces?

White always goes first.  Windom went first.

> > Have I missed something? Windom Earl made two chess moves and we haven't
> > seen one from Cooper.

I hate to sound grouchy, but I'm sick of questions like this.  Do you have
any *idea* how absolutely boring Twin Peaks would be if we were forced to
see every waking minute of every person's life?  We'd still be watching
day 1.

You might as well ask something silly, like "How did Cooper get his earplugs
when we never saw him send the tape to Diane in which he asked for them?"

In article <12432678@bfmny0.BFM.COM> tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes:

> > * A shot of the vacant lot next to Leland's old house in Pearl Lakes.
> >Voice over of an unidentified woman reminiscing about something weird...
> >I don't have the tape here to check.

Something about the very best and the very worst of people being drawn
to dead dogs.  (????)

> > * Close up of a B&W photo.  Thumb of the hand holding the photo visible
> >on R side of screen.  Photo looks like a clandestine surveillance shot:
> >blurred obstruction in the U.L. but the rest clearly shows 1/4 profile
> >of a curly headed person with sunglasses and upturned collar walking
> >into an exterior doorway.

Two people, one in black leather jacket with his back to the camera,
one, with head obscured, facing left.  To me, the black-leather guy
looks like Hank, and the other guy seems to be wearing the same
bizarrestyle of jacket as the estimable Mr. Jean Renaud.

> >Audrey asks "I did all right, huh?" and
> >Cooper responds "You may have saved my life."  I interpret this to mean
> >that Audrey snuck into someone's room at the Great Northern and grabbed
> >one or more pictures which tell Cooper something important about the
> >forces who are out to get him: maybe the picture tells him who's in on
> >the plot, who was at OEJ's that night, etc.

I don't know why you think it was the Great Northern (well, yes I
do--Audrey lives there).  But it could have been taken anywhere.  If
it's Hank and Jean, it must have been OEJ.  We're just assuming Audrey
took it because of the voiceover, but these things are tricky. . .



-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Stop whining and enjoy the puppet show" --Richard Gehr

In article <18403@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
> >In article <1990Dec18.154215.29471@icad.com>, crm@icad.com (Christopher McConnell) writes...
> >
> >} In the beginning of the 12/15 show, James is riding his motorcycle along
> >} a road. Does anybody know where I can find the music he is riding to?
> >
> >It was undoubtedly written by Angelo Badalamenti, who scores the entire
> >show. It hasn't appeared on any album yet, though I suppose it will if
> >they ever issue a TP Soundtrack Volume 2.

This music was also played in season one when Leo beats Shelly. 
Leo turns up the radio before swinging the soap filled sock, and
the music plays.

We had also heard the music James played on the jukebox before.
In the pilot, Bobby plays the same music on the jukebox as
he left the diner.  "I'll see you in my dreams, norma. " 
"Not if I see you first".  This music seemed to affect James
a great deal.  Wonder why?  Maybe it had something to do with
Laura.

Someone asked about news coverage of twin peaks. I remember
Shelly watching the news talking about Laura's death, and Leo
telling her to turn it off.  There also was a news crew covering
the mill burning, and we saw Leland's death on a newspaper
headline.

The national enquirer should have a staffer permanently located
in town.  "ALIENS COMMUNCATE WITH MILITARY"  "JEAN JACKETED SPIRIT 
PSYCHOPATH POSSESSES FATHER TO MURDER HIS DAUGHTER"
"OWLS ARE NOT WHAT THEY SEEM log carrying woman speaks out"


Michael Kaye   horny@ucscl.ucsc.edu  "tell jayembee to change his .sig!!"

In article <2008@beguine.UUCP> George.Harris@samba (George Harris) writes:
> >
> >Is it just me or does the name 'Evelyn Marsh' sound very 
> >familiar.  I'd be very surprised if they weren't pulling another
> >cinema allusion a la Waldo Lydecker et al.  Any clues?
> >
> >"Stupid flying saucer get in Frankenstein's WAY!"Ed, the happy clown
> >George.Harris@samba.acs.unc.eduGe|ge

I think this is the name of the woman who tries to kill Clint Eastwood
in 'Play Misty for Me'.  I know her name was Evelyn.

Carol Osterbrock
carolo@cis.ucsc.edu

What if Cooper has been playing the chess game all along and just never
realized it?  In other words, the game itself is a metaphor for the
Cooper/Earle struggle and Cooper countered Earle's move in real life--
Earle then translated this move to a chess board.  It's just now, though,
that Earle has bothered telling Cooper that they are playing chess.  If this
is true, it should help Cooper because it will give him an overall context for
the C/E struggle.  Finally, are we sure that the orginal move was pawn to
queen 4 and not, say, king 4 or 3?  If it were King 4 or 3, that would 
allow for the beginning of a Blitzkrieg 4 move mate-- which would explainwhy
Cooper got shot at the very beginning of the game.  (an immediate attack on
the opposing king).
Is there any way that we can correspond characters to pieces?  Audrey to
Cooper's queen, for example, Hawk and Truman to the two nights, and so on.

Dave
David M. Snyderman
V053QGZJ@UBVMSB

To be picky, Vlad Dracul was the father of Vlad the Impaler.
'Dracul' is I believe the Romanian form of the honorific 'Dragon'
which was bestowed upon the original Vlad by the Teutonic Knights.
'Dracula' then means 'Son of Dracul' so Vlad Dracula translates to
Vlad Son of the Dragon, which is the man who so loved rammed rounded
oiled wooden poles up peoples anuses, jamming the other ends of the 
poles into the ground, & leaving the people out in the sun to slowly die.

Truly a pleasant person.  Now, what does this have to do with
Twin Peaks again?

"Stupid flying saucer get in Frankenstein's WAY!"Ed, the happy clown
George.Harris@samba.acs.unc.eduGe|ge

In article <18372@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
> >In article <47425@apple.Apple.COM>, scott@Apple.COM (scott douglass) writes...
> >} In my San Jose newspaper the listing for next Saturday shows "Columbo:
> >} Fade in to Murder" on ABC from 9:30 to 11 PM. Is this happening
> >} everywhere?
> >
> >No. The Boston Edition of TV GUIDE shows an NFL football game on ABC all
> >evening. Perhaps your local affiliate isn't showing the game for some
> >reason.

Evening TV football games are usually finished by 9.30 Pacific Time.
They're probably showing the Columbo movie so that Westerners don't get an
extra episode of TP.  Durn.

> >} We're not going to miss an episode, are we?
> >Doesn't look it.

--

--------
So.  I've seen lots of postings referring to the mysterious "Industrial
Symphony No. 1".  I even sent e-mail to someone to try and get more info, and
had started to look into getting a copy.

Friday night's trip to our local video emporium, however, brought a surprise:
It's on video, and for rent!

Here's the information off the videotape itself:

David Lynch / Angelo Badalamenti

I N D U S T R I A L  S Y M P H O N Y  N O .  1

the dream of the broken hearted (italics)

Featuring Julee Cruise
Directed by David Lynch
Produced by David Lynch and Angelo Badalamenti
Executive Producers: Steve Golin, Monty Montgomery and Sigurjon Sighvatsson

Performance filmed at the Brooklyn Academy of Music Opera House, 
November 10, 1989

Approximate running time: 50 minutes

Up in Flames, I Float Alone, The Black Sea, Into the Night, I'm Hurt Bad,
Pinky's Bubble Egg (The Twins Spoke), The Dream Conversation, Rockin' Back
Inside My Heart, The Final Battle, The World Spins

On Warner Reprise Video, a Division of Warner Bros. Records.  
(C) 1990, Elbow Music.  

VHS-HiFi (Dolby Stereo)

It starts with a brief scene of a telephone conversation between Laura Dern
and Nicholas Cage (which is later repeated by the MFAP!), then moves into
the performance itself, which is filled with industrial-appearing scaffolding
and pipework, with spotlight and searchlight beams sweeping across it.

If anyone caught the VH-1 program featuring Julee Cruise, some of the video
footage they used came from this work.  

A note on Bobby's/James' music:  It _is_ there, but in a much briefer and
confused version (other sounds).  I was somewhat disappointed that the music
Audrey danced to in the double-R wasn't present.

Worth checking out.  I'm hoping for a price around $20 (like _Home of the
Brave_, also on Warner Reprise), but not counting on it.


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In article <1990Dec17.234808.2174@alembic.acs.com> csu@alembic.acs.com (Dave Mack) writes:
> >(On the other hand, that's the first scene in the series that's
> >taken place outside of TP. It will be terribly disappointing if

Surprised to see no correction of this. One Eyed Jacks is across the
Canadian border so presumably outside of Twin Peaks.
-- c2h5oh@ucscb.ucsc.edu | "Have you ever seen a grown man in a beard and | business attire hopping, skipping and jumping in the | Port Authority terminal? It looks damned stupid."

vehaag@crocus.uwaterloo.ca (Viktor Haag) writes:

> > Someone pointed out that "Andrew" may have been the 'angel' that saved
> > Catherine.  This may be true to a point, but what if Wyndham Earle is
> > in disguise as Andrew?  I believe that Wydham's disappearance was
> > just before Catherine's was it not?  Food for paranoia?

The whole Windom==Andrew idea doesn't wash for me. I get the feeling that 
Catherine and Andrew were extremely close. I find it hard to believe that 
someone could successfully impersonate a person that another had known 
very well for 40+ years, even if he were a master of disguise. Close 
siblings often have an entire vocabulary of gestures and in-joke 
references that the impostor would have had to study for a long time. 
If Windom had tried to pass himself off as Andrew after the "accident", 
even faking memory loss, I doubt that Catherine would be unshrewd enough 
to trust someone who would seem not to have it together.

Joe Zitt...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

How many episodes have been shown in the States now?  How many
more to come in season 2?

We just saw 1007 here in Sweden, and the announcer said there are 22
more episodes coming up, starting in January.  Is this including the
third season or does 2nd really have that many? 


BTW, doesn't Maddy and the Log Lady have (or had...) identical
glasses?  Maybe not identical, but both are quit large with red
frames. I bet that's REALLY significant... :-)
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Yes, Fidel (the manservent) is the same character as the Giant.  They
showed the credits on the Pittsburgh station.

> > It says in the published diary, right there in black-and-white
> > in Laura's last entry, that she was giving it to Harold Smith to
> > prevent BOB from getting at it any longer.
___
__  And there's no date on that entry.  And pages right before
_   that entry are ripped out.  The page sent to Mrs. Tremond
    may well have been the one ripped out (by Harold) before
    that last entry.  That last entry could have been written
    later in the day, after the "entry on the day Laura died"
    was written on the previous page.

> > Lynch has announced that [the diary] is, indeed, canon, and
> > besides, his daughter wrote it in collaboration with him.
___
__  I accept it as canon.  I should point out, though that he gave
_   his daughter free reign in writing it.  In other words, he
    gave her a lot of input into the show, and events in the show
    have followed her lead.  Lynch is into synergistic sources of
    creativity.

> > Then, how about Dr. Jacoby?  Off in Hawaii with his wife --
> > lotta good that does *us*.  (Hawaii-Five-Oh, anyone? ;)
___
__  If you want a show that caters to short attention spans,
_   watch a sitcom or something.
    <_Jym_>

(Jennifer Lynch wrote the Secret Diary of Laura Palmer)
I saw this article posted in the movie group by Ron Buckmire.
I had to read it twice to make sure it wasn't a joke.  I saw
it on the news so I know it's not a fake.

According to the Friday December 7, 1990 ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY,

"Boxed Lynch

All the vogueing in the world won't help Madonna with her next role,
which calls for the ambitious blond to play a limbless woman who lives
in a box.  The movie, BOXING HELENA, marks the directorial debut of 
Jennifer Lynch, 22-year-old daughter of TWIN PEAKS cocreator David 
Lynch.  While her father's movies explore the twisted underpinnings
of superficial normality, Jennifer's will embrace a straight-on weird
tale.  'It's an unfortunate modern day love story about obsession and 
self-deprivation,' she says.  'But it will be done with tact and taste.'
Lynch wrote the full-length feature at age 19.

And Madonna?  (She plays opposite SWEET DREAM's Ed Harris.)  'Honestly,'
Lunch says, 'I'm incredibly surprised with her.  It wasn't my idea to have
her [it was a joint decision with the producer], and I battled it, but
now I believe she's 100 percent appropriate.  People will consider 
Madonna an actress after this.'  When the film is finished early next
year, Lynch plans to marry her boyfriend of two and a half years, drum
technician and stage manager Donald Telles, with whom she already shares
an L.A. home just three minutes from her father's.  'The wedding is as
soon as I've recuperated from filming,' she says.

--Casey Davidson"


Michael Kaye   horny@ucscl.ucsc.edu   "Twin Peaks pre-empted AGAIN??? noooOOoO"

I almost forgot that I still don't now who shot JR, er, Cooper at the end of the
first season.  Has that been revealed to us yet?  If it has, someone please tell
me who it was and the circumstances surrounding it.

thanks,
macapag@wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu

In article <1990Dec20.004240.18263@watdragon.waterloo.edu> vehaag@crocus.uwaterloo.ca (Viktor Haag) writes:
> >
> >                                      but what if Wyndham Earle is
> >in disguise as Andrew?  
> >

Ok, ok, I've read numerous posts on this newsgroup about how Wyndham Earle
is supposed to be this master of disguise.  Why?  What makes people believe 
this?  Is there a reference *from the show* that indicates this? It's 
drivin' me nuts.

-boB

Peakers,

I just got a Christmas card in the mail "from the folks at TWIN PEAKS" along
with Issue #1 (December 1990) of the _Twin Peaks Gazette_.  The following 
is taken from the front page of the _Gazette_:

"MOVE TO TWIN PEAKS!
To become a resident of Twin Peaks, call 1-800-626-TWIN .... You will receive:
- 12 issues of _The Gazette_ delivered every month
- The address of your own home in Twin Peaks
- A Twin Peaks Sheriff's Department coffee mug for that damn good cup of 
  coffee!"

... and this is on the back:

"From deep space to your doorstep.  It's time to deliver the message.  You will
receive 12 monthly issues beginning January 1991, PLUS _two free gifts_ for
becoming a subscriber: a Twin Peaks Sheriff's Department Coffee Mug _and_ your
own address in Twin Peaks, all for only $29.95."

An address is also listed:

The Twin Peaks Gazette  P.O. Box 53563  Boulder, CO 80322

Enjoy!


It's hot and humid with,

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"W-A-6-O-D-B, with . . . a question."

Ben's behavior in 12/15 is not enough to convince me that he has been possessed
by BOB.  Ben has been through a lot lately.  The big deal he was trying to
set up with Tojimura went sour in a way he hadn't expected, namely the face
of Catherine being behind Tojimura's beard and mustache.  Second, the police
royally screwed him over with the arrest.  Not only is his reputation damaged
by the arrest, but now the police know that he operates OEJ's, which is not
a major reputation booster.  While incarcerated, he also signed over Ghostwood
and the mill to Catherine, and got nothing in return, since her testimony      
wasn't needed a few hours later.  Ben has suffered a defeat, and is feeling the
weight of all of his shady operations crushing him.  Thus, he is seeking solace
in the past.  The film of the groundbreaking for the Great Northern is just
that. He is going back to when it all began, when life was simpler, and purer.


Just my $0.02.

-- Sanjiv Sarwate "But what is truth? sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.eduIs truth unchanging law? BITNET: SANJIV@UIUCVMD.BITNETWe both have truths. Are mine the same as yours?"

In article <5794@peplinsk> hans@Software.Mitel.COM (Hans Johnsen) writes:

> >Think about some of the
> >examples. Coop is a stereotypical police officer who turns out to use
> >very unconventional methods. 

How is Coop stereotypical?  From the very first time we see him, he's
spouting quirky things into his recorder.  Throughout the pilot he's
amazing people with his intuition and seeming lack of need for
conventional methods.

> >Albert is a stereotypical intellectual
> >snob, but this stereotype is blown away with the 'sultan of sentiment'
> >speech and others.

I don't know if I'd accuse Albert of ever acting like an "intellectual
snob", but even if so, how is this stereotype blown away?  "I've got
sentiment running out my NOSE, pal" isn't exactly tender, solicitous,
caring, emotional talk.

> >Lucy is the 'typical' dumb weak female receptionist
> >who turns out to be both strong and intelligent. 

How has Lucy turned out to be strong or intelligent so far?  She's
been strong-willed about her baby and its father(s), but she seems to
work mainly by pouting and scolding.  Not exactly what I would call stereotype-breaking.

> >Nadine is also a
> >'typical' weak female who is now surprisingly strong :->, and self
> >confident (she is talking about 'breaking up with' ed). 

When was Nadine ever weak?  The first thing we ever heard her say was
"***EEEEDDDD****!" 

> >Donna was a
> >'typical' innocent teenage girl.

And, um, now?

> >Look for these stereotypes to be broken in the future:

[. . .]

> >the mountie: I'm not sure how they'll resolve this one without doing
> >something obvious like having Jean Renaud say "You stupid americans!
> >don't you know that mounties don't wear those ridiculous uniforms
> >anymore?" (Of course in his 'typical' french-Canadian Accent)

Well, now, the mountie's hardly a character at all.  And
mounties-in-dress-uniforms is hardly a stereotype of Canadians.  An
(incongrouous (deliberately?)) image, perhaps, but I doubt if the
disquisition on the symbolic meaning of Canada in the American psyche
is where Twin Peaks is really going.

> >btw: The comment about 'the territory'. I took it in its more broad
> >meaning, like the territory around OEJ's.

It was "the northern territories", wasn't it?  Which is not
necessarily the Northwest Territories, nor any other piece of real
Canadian geography. How do we know how the fictive criminal
underground of TP divides up geography?  For all we know, "northern
territories" includes everything north of the equator.

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Stop whining and enjoy the puppet show" --Richard Gehr

___
__  As I reported before, Mike Wallace was once part of a "Bob and
_   Mike" radio show.  On radio station WOOD, no less!

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___
__  Is Germantown Friends School a Quaker institution?  Seems to
_   me that if Coop had a Quaker upbringing, he'd be leaning
    towards Taoism if his interests lie to the East.  But then
    again, there was that dream.
___
__  Non-violent Albert would make a good Quaker. :-)
_
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A group of us spent much of Saturday night in a TwinPeakathon. Armed with 
lotsa cherry pies and damn good coffee, we watched the pilot and first 8 
episodes.

A few things struck me:

1) The stuff I watch TP for (aka The Weird Stuff) takes up maybe 10% of 
the show. The rest is soap, and goofs on soap.

2) At several points (such as at the party welcoming the Icelanders) 
events are interrupted by sudden old dance music that precipitates The 
Leland Shuffle. However, noone is seen starting the music, and noone 
seems surprised that the music has started up all by itself. Who started 
the music? A DJ? The party band? (If so, I think Ben woulda immediately 
fired them.) An owl landing on the stereo?

3) The show >does< hold together quite well seen in this compressed 
format. It evolves much as (as some have called it) a video novel would, 
with surprisingly few (though not zero) glitches.

Joe Zitt...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

Ciao--

Okay could the Queen refer to a past Queen, ie
Coop's love who died in his arms. Earle mentioned
"sacrifice" will maybe she was sacrificed for some
reason in accordance to the case they were
working on....

Also has the name thing truly been resolved?  In the
recent episode of Soap Opera Digest--okay I know
it is not canon, but it tends to be fairly accurate--there
is a little thing wherein the magazine questions Mark
Frost about Coop's ex-partner:

Why does Agent Cooper (Kyle MacLachlan) dread corresponce
from his ex-partner Wyndham Earl?
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Producer/Writer Mark Frost reveals:  "Wyndham Earl is
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^
the one man on the entire earth that Agent Cooper is
terrified of."

So what gives, what is in fact the correct spelling???


Sally A. Wilson             || But you never know what can happen...
    || at the last minute...I mean I may
sally@mica.berkeley.edu     || actually think of something here;
         || and if I do you just watch out!

I have seen every single episode of this show in it's entirety. Now, at 
least. Up until a couple of days ago, I had never seen the entire pilot. 
The first time it was broadcast, I wasn't able to watch it, and the 
second time it was broadcast, my parents decided it wasn't important 
enough to tape (even though I had explicitly said to them "TAPE THIS OR 
DIE!!!!!"), consequently I missed about the first half hour. 

But a couple of days ago, I borrowed a friend's tape of it, and watched 
it beginning to end. And I realize just how much BETTER it was then. Or, 
at least, how much better it is when David Lynch directs. 

I also noticed that the fact that it had been shot in 1989 was quite 
obvious; all the characters looked quite different. Andy had longer hair, 
Cooper looked a lot shorter and was just slicking his hair back, Truman's 
hair wasn't as long or gray, Philip Gerard (contrary to popular belief, 
we DO see him in the pilot, even if for just a few seconds), Catherine 
(spelled Katharine in the credits) had curly hair, Leland and Ben had 
darker hair, Bobby had darker hair, and so on. 

And I also noticed that the answer had been staring us in the face the 
entire time - in fact, it was the very first theory put forth by her 
mother concerning her disappearance: "I bet she's with Leland." (don't 
falme me for misquoting, I don't remember the exact words) Nothing about 
BOB or MIKE or secret diaries, or anything like that. But the answer 
could have been figured out just by watching the pilot. 

All major characters were introduced, including the one-armed man; he 
gets into the elevator with Truman and Cooper, and T&C exchange 
sympathetic glances. (Except for Maddy, I suppose - she doesn't make an 
appearance until the 4th(?) episode)

Of course, I'm telling you something you all probably knew already. But 
it wasn't something I knew until a couple of days ago...
 
By the way, before I go, I do want to mention two things: When we first 
see the Double R, it is the sign of the Mar-T Cafe in North Bend, with a 
pathetic little "RR" tacked onto the sign, and the Mar-T part of the sign 
is in full view. Also - when Pete is first coming out of the house, onto 
the beach, the water and horizon are so obviously the Pacific Northwest I 
said immediately, "I've seen this before." :)

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"Mr. BOB, you've killed Theresa Banks,   *                Richard Barrett
 Laura Palmer, Jacques Renault, and      *             18004 146th Ave NE
 Maddy Ferguson. What are you going to   *          Woodinville, WA 98072
 do next?"                               *                (206)487-1312
"I'm going to Disneyland!"               *hikaru%halcyon.uucp@seattleu.edu
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  A little while ago I asked if someone could e-mail me a copy of the
complete cast list that was posted here in mid-December.  Well....I 
never got a reply with the list, but three people did mail me asking
me to forward it to them if I got it.
PLEASE could someone send me a copy (or maybe repost it ).  I don't
know who the original poster was or I'd write them directly.

Thanks

John

> >
> >"From deep space to your doorstep.  It's time to deliver the message.  You will
> >receive 12 monthly issues beginning January 1991, PLUS _two free gifts_ for
> >becoming a subscriber: a Twin Peaks Sheriff's Department Coffee Mug _and_ your
> >own address in Twin Peaks, all for only $29.95."
> >

Jeez, this is getting as bad as Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Talk about
jumping on the commercialization bandwagon!

-- ____*_ Lynn Schneider lzs@indetech.com \ / / Independence Technologies {sun,sharkey,pacbell}!indetech!lzs \/ / 42705 Lawrence Place FAX: 415 438-2034 \/ Fremont, CA 94538 Voice: 415 438-2077

In article <D8eTu1w163w@zitt> joe@zitt (Joe Zitt) writes:

> >   1) The stuff I watch TP for (aka The Weird Stuff) takes up maybe 10% of 
> >   the show. The rest is soap, and goofs on soap.

How on earth do you determine what is and isn't "weird stuff"?  For
example, the affair between Ben and Catherine in the first season was
pretty standard soap-opera fare, but was interrupted with odd stuff,
like Ben's "little Elvis" comment.  Was that a 10% concentration of
weirdness in an otherwise boring plotline?  What about Albert?  He was
an interesting character all along, though not particularly "weird"
until his speech about non-violence; however, that speech put all of
his earlier actions into an entirely different context which became
quite odd when you thought about it.  So where does that fit into your
percentage?  How about Dr. Jacoby?  He's basically a sleazy
psychiatrist who attaches almost mystical attachment to sleazy Doctorish
pursuits like golfing.  10% weird or not?  How about Audrey?  There's
nothing particularly odd about her first season vamping and general
spaciness - until you realize that she's actually Nancy Drew with a
tight sweater.  And what about Sheriff Truman?  He seems like one of
the best examples of a seemingly *very* straightlaced character whose
weird quirks have been slowly revealed - his membership in a secret
society, his slightly kinky antics with Josie, his gradual acceptance
of Cooper's quirky methods, etc.  

Furthermore, what I find so fascinating about the show is the way the
ordinary soap-opera story plays off of the weird stuff and comes
across even odder by comparison.  In the bizarre reality of the first
two episodes of this season, the storyline of say, Norma and Hank, was
almost a welcome "reality check" against all the other stuf that was
going on.  The "weird" and the "normal" complement each other
perfectly, and occasionally even interact.  No matter how "normal"
events seem, they are in the context of a world where bow-tie wearing
giants and one-armed men are everyday reality.

> >   2) At several points (such as at the party welcoming the Icelanders) 
> >   events are interrupted by sudden old dance music that precipitates The 
> >   Leland Shuffle. However, noone is seen starting the music, and noone 
> >   seems surprised that the music has started up all by itself. Who started 
> >   the music? A DJ? The party band? (If so, I think Ben woulda immediately 
> >   fired them.) An owl landing on the stereo?

What difference does it make?  Maybe Angelo Badalamenti was present.
There's no point wondering what the source of that music is.  How come
when Maddy, James and Donna were singing we heard bass and drums?  No
one was playing them. They were just there.  You might as well ask
why one can't see the musicians who play background music in musical
comedies.  You say you like the "weird elements" in TP, but you then
seem bothered by the fact that no one at the party seems surprised
when music starts up out of nowhere.  Isn't that a "weird element"?
Or do only dancing dwarves qualify is "true" weirdness?

> >   3) The show >does< hold together quite well seen in this compressed 
> >   format. It evolves much as (as some have called it) a video novel would, 
> >   with surprisingly few (though not zero) glitches.

I agree wholeheartedly.  Even with the continuity lapses and all,
watching episodes one after the other is very rewarding.

- Dan

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lzs@indetech.com (Lynn Z. Schneider x2077) writes:

>> >>"From deep space to your doorstep.  It's time to deliver the message.  You will
>> >>receive 12 monthly issues beginning January 1991, PLUS _two free gifts_ for
>> >>becoming a subscriber: a Twin Peaks Sheriff's Department Coffee Mug _and_ your
>> >>own address in Twin Peaks, all for only $29.95."

> >Jeez, this is getting as bad as Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Talk about
> >jumping on the commercialization bandwagon!

Oh, come on ... I'd *hardly* compare THIS to TMNT ... there are over 600 
different products on the market for TMNT -- one Twin Peaks fan club is pretty
harmless in comparison, I'd say.

To All:  the newsletter issue I got mentioned upcoming interviews with
Angelo Baldalamenti (sp?), and I *think* Mark Frost?  If anyone is curious,
I can post more transcripts of that issue for more details ...

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In article <JYM.90Dec26171535@remarque.berkeley.edu> jym@berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:
> >___
> >__  Is Germantown Friends School a Quaker institution?  Seems to
> >_   me that if Coop had a Quaker upbringing, he'd be leaning
> >    towards Taoism if his interests lie to the East.  But then
> >    again, there was that dream.

Germantown Friends' is Quaker, but the Quaker schools in the Philadelphia
area tend to be pretty secular in curriculum & eclectic in student
backgrounds.  I'd guess that most of the students at G.F. aren't Quakers.

Jon

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