Season 2, Episode 12: The Black Widow — January 12–18, 1991

In article <1991Jan14.162248.24675@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >First there was The Old Nick (the devil) and now there is little Nick.
> > 
> >Is little Nickie a little devil?
> > 
> >Those of us (in our little clique of peak heads) who are interested in
> >psychic phenomena feel that Nick is probably one of several
> >types: 1)  a carrier of a poltergeist - usually an unhappy early-adolescent
> >around whom malicious pranks are performed, apparently by a spirit.
> >
> >2)  gifted with conscious telekinetic ability which he secretly uses to
> >destroy the adults around him
> >
> >3) cursed with unconscious telekinetic ability related to unconscious
> >hostility towards adults around him.  
> > 

Kind of reminds me of my favorite Twilight Zone episode with Billy Mummy
as "little Anthony," a kid with supernatural abilities to kill the adults
he doesn't like.

"Ya done good, son, it's a real good thing ya done. Now, wish him into 
the cornfield son, wish him into the cornfield!"


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The ideas that a group of friends and I came up with is that Diane is the
woman that Cooper fell in love with and he was suppose to protect.  When she
was killed he snapped and goes around with the pocket recorder talking to
Diane.

Subject:Cooper's New Love Interest 
Lines: 3

I read in a magazine that Cooper's new love will be the woman from the excellent movie Drugstore Cowboy who put the hat on the bed.  I can't remember her name, but the movie's worth seeing for more than just to find out who she is.

Jeff Schwartz

In article <28051@cs.yale.edu> cheng-fred@CS.YALE.EDU (Fred Cheng) writes:
> >I doubt that I'm the only one who's thought of this, but so far, I haven't
> >seen the idea posted, so here 'goes:
> >I remember reading that they ("they" being the makers of TP) were
> >going to have Coop fall in love.  My guess is that the lucky recipient of 
> >the  good agent's affections will be Dougie's widow.

I seem to recall that "they" didn't exactly say Cooper was going to
fall in love; it was more like he was going to become involved
in another romantic situation.  My theory is that Denise has the hots for
Cooper and is going to make her intentions known to him "real soon now."

This is the real source of the tension in this week's Audrey/Denise/Cooper
scene.  Denise and Audrey really are competing for Cooper even though the
audience doesn't know it yet.
-- ============================================================================ Steve Phillips "Never put off until tomorrow what Tegra-Varityper, Inc., Billerica, MA you can do the day after tomorrow" tegra!phillips@uunet.com - Mark Twain

In article <1991Jan14.225839.25340@math.lsa.umich.edu> ekushnir@math.lsa.umich.edu (Eugene Kushnirsky) writes:
   In article <1991Jan14.160234.22926@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:

   >I defend Ben against charges that he is the new host for BOB.
   >I see his current condition as a natural and somewhat healthy
   >response to shock. 

   I HATE what they've done to Ben's character. There is nothing "natural" about
   his state; this is the writers trying for supposed comic relief. Leland's
   dead, Jacoby's nowhere to be seen--"Oh," they say, "we need a new oddball
   character! How about the kooky next-door-neighbor....No, what if we take a
   strong character and make him go nuts? Ha ha! Let's say that spending a couple
   of nights in jail has caused Ben Horne to flip! Hey, yeah, he's completely 
   rational now, but what if YOU were forced to endure the horror and degradation
   of the Twin Peaks county jail--you'd suddenly become obsessed with the Civil
   War too!

Ben's been through a lot more than this.  Let's start with Harry and
Cooper bringing Ben in.  Remember his reaction?  To deny they had any
power over him and then to try to ``go out for a sandwich''.  Ben is
someone who has had unquestioned power over people; when he actualy
has to deal with a crisis directly, he denies it and folds up.

Next, he gets thrown into jail and receives Catherine's blackmail
threat, via Pete.  While this offers him a way out, he also has to
give up his prize (the Mill and Ghostwood).  Ben's reaction is ``She
set me up.''  The fire and Catherine's death, which were to give him a
triumph, have backfired.  Faced with this, what does Ben do?  He
throws a tantrum.

Catherine visits Ben in jail, in her Tojamura guise, gets him to sign
over the mill and Ghostwood, and leaves it open as to whether she will
testify in Ben's defense.  So, Ben has given up the mill and
Ghostwood, had it rubbed in his face that he couldn't recognize
Catherine, and may still not have gotten an alibi despite his
self-abasement and capitulation to Catherine.

Ben is released, but discovers that Leland is either psychotic or
possessed.  Also, since Ben is now off the hook, he needn't have given
in to Catherine at all.

Hank returns from One-Eyed Jack's to tell Ben he's out of the picture,
physically man-handling him in the process.

So, Ben has been thrown in prison, been placed at risk of losing his
liberty and, possibly, life, had his plans for getting the Mill and
developing Ghostwood shattered, and even lost One-Eyed Jack's.  Worst
of all, not only has he been bested by Catherine, his social equal,
but he has been pushed around by Harry, a public official, who should
be carrying out Ben's orders, and Hank, the hired help.

So (1) there's been a lot more than just ``a couple of nights in
jail''; Ben has been systematically robbed of his physical possessions
and his authority.  (2) As Ben's reaction to Harry showed, Ben was
really not ``a strong character''; he was powerful, but only by virtue
of habit.  When he was seriously challenged, he was completely
helpless.  So, whether or not Ben's behavior fits any established
clinical pattern, it certainly is consonant with the frustrations and
defeats he's suffered.

    Yeah, let's do that, so we can spend more time putting wacky thought
   balloons over Andy's head!"

A complete non sequitur, since the thought balloon had nothing to do
with Ben, but rather the Andy/Dick/Lucy (or is it Nicky) triangle.

-30-
Bob

``Small-town agonist, to whom exactness is that which hair is flesh to.
  He influences her to suit his character.''

In article <1991Jan14.225839.25340@math.lsa.umich.edu> ekushnir@math.lsa.umich.edu (Eugene Kushnirsky) writes:
> >In article <1991Jan14.160234.22926@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >
>> >>I defend Ben against charges that he is the new host for BOB.
>> >>I see his current condition as a natural and somewhat healthy
>> >>response to shock. 
> >
> >strong character and make him go nuts? Ha ha! Let's say that spending a couple
> >of nights in jail has caused Ben Horne to flip! Hey, yeah, he's completely 
> >rational now, but what if YOU were forced to endure the horror and degradation
> >of the Twin Peaks county jail--you'd suddenly become obsessed with the Civil
> >War too! Yeah, let's do that, so we can spend more time putting wacky thought
> >balloons over Andy's head!"

Excuse me?  Lots more has happened to Ben then a few nights in jail!

1) His daughter was abducted, injected with heroin, and held for
   ransom.

2) His big cash cow and place of recreation (One Eyed Jack's) has
   been taken from him and he has no way of getting it back.

3) Catherine, whom he though was dead by his order, has shown up
   as being alive she not only completely humiliated him, but she
   got him to sign over Ghostwood as well as the Packard Mill.

4) As far has Ben knows, he still owes a Japanese conglomerate
   five million dollars.

5) He has signed an agreement with the Icelanders, which he now
   has no way of following through on.

6) He knows that his (former) ownership of One Eyed Jack's (and
   his practice of visiting there) and his relationship with Laura
   Palmer is probably not a secret anymore.

7) We haven't even been shown what has happened to his marriage now.

This is more than enough to drive any strong man insane!

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!{hpda,versatc,apollo,ucbcad,uunet}!cadence!phz)

In article <91015.132110ACPS7035@Ryerson.CA>, Sean Edward Blenkhorn
<ACPS7035@Ryerson.CA> says:
> >
> >The ideas that a group of friends and I came up with is that Diane is the
> >woman that Cooper fell in love with and he was suppose to protect.  When she
> >was killed he snapped and goes around with the pocket recorder talking to
> >Diane.

Great idea, but Cooper keeps thanking Diane for doing things, ie. in
the last episode he thanked her for placing the chess response in the
paper and earlier he asked her to send him ear plugs and thanked her
when they arrived.

People who travel extensively often use the dicta machine as
a diary and then send the tapes to the secretary for transcription.
Also, a mutual admiration between boss/secretary often can develop that
has nothing to do with sexual or emotional desire, which I think
can be heard when Cooper is dictating.

If Diane ever quits I'm sending my resume - I'd love that job.

Linda
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> >Hmmm... I'm not quite sure what to think of this one. There were some 
> >good moments, a few okay, par-for-the-course moments, and more than a few 
> >incredibly stupid moments.

Regrettably, I've come to the conclusion that with TP you've got to take
the bad with the good.  The show has its ups and downs, that's for sure.
 For every brilliant sequence it's given us, there have been six or
seven sequences that never should have made it into the script.  I've
also come to the conclusion that different people adore the show for
different reasons, so it's pretty difficult to say definitively which
moments are enjoyable and which are crap.  But I know I have my list ...

> >Audrey- did she kiss him and say "thank you" because she was thrilled 
> >that there were "female agents," or because (at least as far as she was 

I think so.  Here comes our first spinoff TV series: "Audrey Horne:
Special Agent Spy Babe".  A Mata Hari for the 90's.

> >So Major Briggs is back. Was it just me, or did the outfit he had on make 
> >him look like the silouhette we saw in 12/8? And everything, 
> >unfortunately, is not all right. 
> >The military evidently knows as well as the Giant that the owls are not 
> >what they seem - perhaps broadcasting stations for the White Lodge? 

Yeah, personally that spooked the crap out of me.  Hypothesis: Briggs
was in BOB's world, wherever that is, somewhere across space/time.  Not
a nice trip either, I think.  And not intentional.

> >You know, they are still showing the Homecoming Queen picture of Laura at 
> >the end of the episodes - why are they still doing this? The Laura Palmer 
> >storyline is dead (uh, sorry, bad pun) and finished. But I just realized 
> >something: It is what every further TP plotline will be judged against. 

I don't think we're done with Laura Palmer OR Bob yet.  Or Leland.

- DER

In article <42522@ut-emx.uucp>, osmigo@ut-emx.uucp (Ron Morgan) writes...
> > 
> >First, I want to say that I think Twin Peaks is the best show on the air.
    Hear, Hear.


> >It's been said that Twin Peaks is developing an intensely devoted following,
> >especially among more intelligent, educated people, a following comparable
> >in intensity to that of the "trekkies" and their devotion to Star Trek. I
> >wonder, thinking of "trekkies," what's a good handle for Twin Peaks fans?
> >"Peakies?" "Twinkies?"

I like "Twinkies."   Or how about "Twin Freaks?"


> > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> > =             Ron Morgan             =      National Rifle Association      =
> > =        osmigo@emx.utexas.edu       =              Greenpeace              =
> > =   "Take a friend shooting today"   =         Amnesty International        =
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--->Daniel Pedersen

In article <1991Jan15.210522.12695@cadence.com> phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel) writes:

> >Excuse me?  Lots more has happened to Ben then a few nights in jail!
> >
> >1) His daughter was abducted, injected with heroin, and held for
> >   ransom.
        
This didn't really bother Ben too much.


> >2) His big cash cow and place of recreation (One Eyed Jack's) has
> >   been taken from him and he has no way of getting it back.

He could be trying to get it back, if the writers wanted him to.

> >3) Catherine, whom he though was dead by his order, has shown up
> >   as being alive she not only completely humiliated him, but she
> >   got him to sign over Ghostwood as well as the Packard Mill.
> >
> >4) As far has Ben knows, he still owes a Japanese conglomerate
> >   five million dollars.
> >
> >5) He has signed an agreement with the Icelanders, which he now
> >   has no way of following through on.
> >
> >6) He knows that his (former) ownership of One Eyed Jack's (and
> >   his practice of visiting there) and his relationship with Laura
> >   Palmer is probably not a secret anymore.

All valid points.

> >7) We haven't even been shown what has happened to his marriage now.

Again, somehow I don't think this matters all that much to Ben.

> >This is more than enough to drive any strong man insane!

I think this is where we differ. If you were with the show from the start, you
know that originally, Ben was one of the most interesting characters on the 
show. He was always calm and rational, even through all of the weird things 
that were happening in the town. And being in the line of work he is in, surely
he has had awful things happen to him before! He had dealt with thugs like Hank
and the Renaults; he had them wrapped around his finger.

Fine. Suppose a man as calculating as Ben Horne could snap after a series of 
financial losses and public humiliation. Would the resulting insanity manifest
itself in an obsession with toy soldiers? Do you really think Ben's character
isn't being milked for comic relief?


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In article <1929@io.tegra.COM>, phillips@tegra.COM (Steve Phillips) writes...

> >This is the real source of the tension in this week's Audrey/Denise/Cooper
> >scene.  Denise and Audrey really are competing for Cooper even though the
> >audience doesn't know it yet.

So Denise/Dennis' remarks that made it quite obvious that he(she) is VERY
interested in Audrey are just to throw Coop off the track?  I don't think so.
It's quite a confusing way to tell someone you're attracted to him:  "I'm
into women, not men - especially that little one who is so hot for you"
and then "Oh, I'm really after you, Coop!"  That seems like a bit much.
Also, Coop and Dennis have known each other for a long time as men - it seems
to me that that would get in the way of any love interest Denise _might_ have
for Coop.

I'm in about as much dark as Coop is about the meaning of "putting panties on
one leg at a time."  Can anyone enlighten this poor soul who usually doesn't
wear panties?  


> >============================================================================
> >Steve Phillips                           "Never put off until tomorrow what
> >Tegra-Varityper, Inc., Billerica, MA      you can do the day after tomorrow" 
> >tegra!phillips@uunet.com                                     - Mark Twain

Thankx.
--->Daniel Pedersen

ekushnir@math.lsa.umich.edu (Eugene Kushnirsky) writes:

> >Fine. Suppose a man as calculating as Ben Horne could snap after a series of 
> >financial losses and public humiliation. Would the resulting insanity manifest
> >itself in an obsession with toy soldiers? Do you really think Ben's character
> >isn't being milked for comic relief?

Yes, I do--because I haven't found Ben's changes funny in the least.  Draining,
wrenching, and slightly disturbing, yes--but *funny*?  Are we looking at the
same Benjamin Horne?

There was a post I saw earlier today (sorry, forgot the author) which 
addressed the subject very well--about how Ben has lost, slowly but perhaps
inexorably, every bit of power he once had.  I'd be interested to see your
comments on it.

Tim Lynch (Cornell's first Astronomy B.A.; one of many Caltech grad students)
BITNET:  tlynch@citjuliet
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Why are there so many songs about rainbows, and what's on the other side?
R.I.P. Jim Henson, 1936-1990; we shall never see your like again.

Sherilyn Fenn (Audrey) is playing the girlfriend of a notorious, but short
lived gangster on a series on some network somewhere.  The gangster is played
by some good looking guy, who I've completely spaced at the moment.  This
gangster was legendary for his escapades, and apparently for having a
much-larger-than-average penis, to the delight of his lovers - Have fun
Audrey!

I hope this does not mean she's cutting back on TP work.
I(f anyone has more info about this show, please post.

--->Daniel Pedersen

In article <1991Jan15.233650.25873@math.lsa.umich.edu> ekushnir@math.lsa.umich.edu (Eugene Kushnirsky) writes:
> >Fine. Suppose a man as calculating as Ben Horne could snap after a series of 
> >financial losses and public humiliation. Would the resulting insanity manifest
> >itself in an obsession with toy soldiers? Do you really think Ben's character
> >isn't being milked for comic relief?

Well, maybe Ben is "faking" his insanity in order
to move along some big plan of his on his enemies.

-Matt Brockman
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While we were watching the scene where Nicky (appeasrs to) topples the jeep
onto Dicky-Wicky, my wife asked if he was playeed by the boy who played the
Kreamed Korn Kid (Pierre Tremond?).  

I looked at the credits thoughtfully posted on the board, and apparently it
isn't the same actor.  Questions:

* Who played the KKK? Someone connected to Lynch/Frost et al? DL's son? m

* who in the credits is listed as (Everett?) Frost?                               

[my delete key don't
work; please ignore: Scott]

* Could there be any connection between Nicky and the KKK?  All these little
kids with all these supernatural powers (I liked "recurring Random
misfortunes" that have befallen Nicky). He reminds me of the kid in the
Twilight Zone Movie who could wish for anything, and terrorized the adults
around him.  What sort of wonderfully nasty things could he do to Uncle Andy?

Please post comments.
--->Daniel pedersen

In article <H0RWCT6@cs.swarthmore.edu> dup94@campus.swarthmore.edu Daniel Pedersen - Keren's Daddy writes:
> >
> >I'm in about as much dark as Coop is about the meaning of "putting panties on
> >one leg at a time."  Can anyone enlighten this poor soul who usually doesn't
> >wear panties?  
> >
> >--->Daniel Pedersen

    An obvious post, perhaps, but "putting on panties one leg at a time" is
Denise's derivative of "putting on pants one leg at a time," which is a
phrase which (in my recent hearing) implies a sort of Joe Average, ordinary
guy; it might be used to demystify a male authority, as in "Even the Surgeon
General puts on his pants one leg at a time."  I thought this was the best
line of the show, even though taken literally both comments are rather vapid.
I mean, unless you are sitting on the bed and put in both feet at once, 
one leg at a time seems like the only way to put your pant(ies) on anyway!

   TP-freak kudos to the producers for making Denise so wry and sensible.

--Elizabeth LeClair
  (lecl@midway.uchicago.edu)

In article <1991Jan15.194952.26416@midway.uchicago.edu> swsh@ellis.uchicago.edu (Janet M. Swisher) writes:
> >Jacoby smelled the burnt-oil smell *at the gazebo* when he was
> >attacked, NOT during Jacques' murder.  Remember: he changed his story
> >under hypnosis.  

An alternative explanation is that maybe Jacoby smelled the burnt oil smell
at both places.  He said pretty clearly that he smelled it in the hospital,
so I don't see why we shouldn't believe him.  After all, it was Leland/BOB
who committed both crimes.
-- ============================================================================ Steve Phillips "Never put off until tomorrow what Tegra-Varityper, Inc., Billerica, MA you can do the day after tomorrow" tegra!phillips@uunet.com - Mark Twain

kevin@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Kevin Schraith) writes:

> >A couple of people have mentioned the 1/12 close up on Hank's domino.  I
> >seem to recall from a while back there were some guesses as to the relevance
> >of the number of pips.  As I remember, when we first see hank the domino has
> >3:3.  Later, after being "convinced" by Jean Renault with a gun to work for
> >him, the domino had 4:4.  People at the time suggested that this may be the
> >number of people he had killed, or something.  Now however, the number has
> >decreased to 4:3 (or 3:4).  Does anyone have any clue to what this might
> >mean?  It seems like a relevant clue to Hank's character, as the director
> >takes great pains to show long close-ups.  


> >       Signed,  stumped in Missoula

I believe that the domino does count the number of people he has killed.  It 
dropped by one since Hank learned that Catherine is still alive.  If he learns
about Andrew as well, then it will drop again.
-- Sanjiv Sarwate "But what is truth? sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.eduIs truth unchanging law? BITNET: SANJIV@UIUCVMD.BITNETWe both have truths. Are mine the same as yours?"

> >6. Question: What was the fabric badge that Coop was holding? Looked like
> >a fir tree with a sword in the background...

His badge as a member of the bookhouse boys (see the 12/8 episode).

> >7. Nuther question: Was the domino that, I assume Hank, was holding from
> >One-Eyed Jacks? What was the significance of bothering to show it?

This isn't Hank's first flirtation with the popular parlor game.  There
was a recurring thread about the number of spots on the dominos on
Hank's tie.  Some posters conjecture that they represent the number of
people Hank has killed--or tried to kill, since the only person he's
actually succeeded in bumping off was that nameless tramp (by accident).
 I guess it represents his slowly increasing IQ.


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> >I've been trying to figure out why some people think that
> >Lynch's work, Twin Peaks in particular, is sexist.

Maybe because Lynch is misogynist, violent-minded, and twisted and such
influences show up in his work.  I know from experience that it's
possible to be all of those things without being sexist.
 
> >Male characters predominate, but that is fair enough I think for
> >a cop show with a 50's feel.  Civilians seem to be almost
> >evenly divided by sex.  Young males are just as dumb as the
> >young females. But this is one lack. There are no strong middle-
> >aged females.  

Except for Catharine.

> >But I figure this is a necessary plot device.
> >If we had a strong mature woman in Twin Peaks (say like Jessica
> >in Murder She Wrote) she'd have the town's problem's solved in
> >an hour!

Quite likely, since plotlines in Twin Peaks have a tendency to resolve
themselves quickly when Lynch/Frost grow tired of them..


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In article <1991Jan15.181018.26759@indetech.com> lzs@indetech.COM (Lynn Z. Schneider x2077) writes:
> >
> >Kind of reminds me of my favorite Twilight Zone episode with Billy Mummy
> >as "little Anthony," a kid with supernatural abilities to kill the adults
> >he doesn't like.
> >

That must be an adapataion of Jerome Bixby's "It's a _Good_ Life.  It
was recently included in the anthology Black Water 2, More Tales of
the Fantastic, Edited by Alberto Manguel, Lester  & Orpen Denneys publishers,
ISBN 0-88619-124-6.

An excellent story in a volume of excellent stories!
-- Peter Marshall, Manager (Academic Networking) CCS, NSC, U. of Western Ontario, London, Canada N6A 5B7 (519)661-2111x6032 peter.marshall@uwo.ca pm@uwovax (BITNET); peter@ria.uucp

Well, Twin Peaks has two entries in the nominations for the 33rd annual
Grammy Awards!

BEST SPOKEN OR NON-MUSICAL RECORDING:  "`Diane ...' The Twin Peaks Tapes of
Agent Cooper," Kyle Maclachlan.

BEST INSTRUMENTAL COMPOSITION WRITTEN FOR A MOTION PICTURE OR FOR TELEVISION:
"Soundtrack from `Twin Peaks,'" Angelo Badalamenti.

-- ====================================================================== | Germaine A. L'Eveque germaine@cs.columbia.edu (212) 854-8112 | | Academic Records Administrator, Computer Science Department | | Columbia University, 450-D Com.Sci.Bldg., New York, NY 10027 |

> > Laura mentions that she should warn Danielle about BOB. I
> > don't recall ever seeing or hearing about a Danielle.
___
__  Danielle is the little girl whose cat Laura ran over.
_   <_Jym_>

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/X243/K822/L262/B23/THE/OWLS/ARE/NOT/WHAT/THEY/SEEM/B383/L947/M84/
/M867/B586/K389/O98/AND/I/LIKE/WHALES/N37/B88/L867/P213/N297/B957/
/W482/jym@mica.berkeley.edu/I55/K387/P987/R80/Z903/Y983/O092/C381/

In the referenced message, boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) wrote:
}In article <PwLkV1w164w@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us>, tuttle@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (David L. Claytor) writes...
}} Re: his posting on The White Lodge and Talbot Mundy's book The Devil'
}} Guard, I nominate Jim Hickey for the Peakoid "Post of the Month" award.
}} Great sleuthing; excellent material!
}
}Waitaminute... *I* was the one who posted the article quoting the passages
}about the White Lodge from Mundy's novel.

Right, Jim Hickey is just yet another bozo from Hewlett Packard who
likes to quote other people's entire articles and then add no new text.
One of these days, HP will throw notesfiles in the toilet where it
belongs.

Anyway, it was a great article, Jerry.  I especially like the Tibetan
angle.
---
Jef
                                   
  Jef Poskanzer  jef@well.sf.ca.us  {ucbvax, apple, hplabs}!well!jef
  Yesterday upon the stair, I met a man who wasn't there.  He wasn't
            there again today -- I think he's from the CIA.

In article <1931@harlie.tegra.COM>, phillips@tegra.COM (Steve Phillips) writes...

} In article <1991Jan15.194952.26416@midway.uchicago.edu> swsh@ellis.uchicago.edu (Janet M. Swisher) writes:

}} Jacoby smelled the burnt-oil smell *at the gazebo* when he was attacked,
}} NOT during Jacques' murder. Remember: he changed his story under hypnosis.  

} An alternative explanation is that maybe Jacoby smelled the burnt oil smell
} at both places.  He said pretty clearly that he smelled it in the hospital,
} so I don't see why we shouldn't believe him.

Because, when Cooper asked him about the smell under hypnosis, Jacoby
*explicitly* said, "No, that was earlier...at the gazebo."  This suggests
strongly that Jacoby did *not* smell the "scorched engine oil" odor in the
hospital.

} After all, it was Leland/BOB who committed both crimes.

Do you have evidence that we don't?

Let's look at the facts:

Jacoby smells "scorched engine oil" at the gazebo when he was attacked.
Maddy smells something (but we don't know what) just before BOB kills her.
We are *assuming* that there is a connection between the two odors and that
they indicate the presence of BOB.

(Note, however, that -- as far as we know -- the guard outside Ronnette's
room at the hospital detected no odor when BOB slipped the letter under her
nail. Also, no mention is made of the odor when Leland becomes BOB in the
Sheriff's lockup.)

Furthermore, it is *only* our assumption that the two odors are connected
that suggest that Leland/BOB was the one who attacked Jacoby at the gazebo.
Otherwise, there is no evidence that he did so.

It also seems pretty clear that Leland was Leland when he killed Jacques,
and was not possessed by BOB at the time. For one, the murder doesn't fit
BOB's m.o.

-- "What gang are *you* with?" "Ah...the Survivors." "Never heard'a them." "I'm the only one left." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

> > The Macs are computers of convenience -- Apple supplied the Twin
> > Peaks folks with a whole mess of them at (I believe) no charge.
___
__  Looks like the same deal's going on with _The_Simpsons_.  Bart
_   went to Hell last week, and there on the devil's desk was---
    yes---a Mac!!!
    <_Jym_>

/F356/<_Jym_Dyer_>/B893/A972/F83/H25/N729/F387/G298/O37/X235/Q734/
/X243/K822/L262/B23/THE/OWLS/ARE/NOT/WHAT/THEY/SEEM/B383/L947/M84/
/M867/B586/K389/O98/AND/I/LIKE/WHALES/N37/B88/L867/P213/N297/B957/
/W482/jym@mica.berkeley.edu/I55/K387/P987/R80/Z903/Y983/O092/C381/

> > Crticism of the week:  I'm dissapointed that we now have yet
> > another battered wife in the show.  The James subplot is bad
> > enough without still more intimations and/or displays of woman-
> > beating, as we had in the Shelley-Leo encounters.
___
__  I don't understand the criticism.  Having one, and then
_   another, battered wife on the show seems to jibe with the
    show's purpose of exposing the real-life horrors hidden
    in idealized exteriors.
___
__  As a feminist, I applaud the creators for (1) drawing
_   attention to a widespread social problem, (2) showing
    that it occurs at different socioeconomic levels, and
    (3) doing it in a way that shows its real horror, rather
    than using it as a device to exploit women.
    <_Jym_>

/F356/<_Jym_Dyer_>/B893/A972/F83/H25/N729/F387/G298/O37/X235/Q734/
/X243/K822/L262/B23/THE/OWLS/ARE/NOT/WHAT/THEY/SEEM/B383/L947/M84/
/M867/B586/K389/O98/AND/I/LIKE/WHALES/N37/B88/L867/P213/N297/B957/
/W482/jym@mica.berkeley.edu/I55/K387/P987/R80/Z903/Y983/O092/C381/

> > Did everyone notice that Bobby sniffed something when he
> > was leaving Ben's office with the camera?
___
__  I think that was just to let us know how unsuave he
_   is, despite his fancy clothes.
    <_Jym_>

/F356/<_Jym_Dyer_>/B893/A972/F83/H25/N729/F387/G298/O37/X235/Q734/
/X243/K822/L262/B23/THE/OWLS/ARE/NOT/WHAT/THEY/SEEM/B383/L947/M84/
/M867/B586/K389/O98/AND/I/LIKE/WHALES/N37/B88/L867/P213/N297/B957/
/W482/jym@mica.berkeley.edu/I55/K387/P987/R80/Z903/Y983/O092/C381/

In article <1991Jan15.111012.16836@eff.org>, mnemonic@eff.org (Mike Godwin) writes:
>> >>In article <20941.2791ce3b@merrimack.edu> rand@merrimack.edu writes:
>> >>The kicker was Cooper responding "I don't think so..."
> > 
> > Except that what Cooper said was "Not really."

In response to Mike's impression of Phil Hartman's Anal Retentive Chef:

My impression of Steve Martin: Oh, excuuuuuuuuse me.

In article <148@3cpu.UUCP> edrury@.UUCP (Ed Drury) writes:
#In article <1991Jan14.155523.18795@midway.uchicago.edu> pbhx@ellis.uchicago.edu (Peter B. Hayward) writes:
#>
#>If anyone digitizes the line from 1/12 where Denise says:
#>
#>"I may be wearing a dress, but I put on my panties one leg
#>at a time, know what I mean?"
#>
#>Please, please please send me a copy. Thanks!
#
#  Ditto, but I would like to have Cooper's terse , quick and extremely
#funny one line reply to it as well.

Absolutely.  A friend and I giggled at Denise's line, but when Coop
replied, we nearly fell apart.

Douglas Krause                     One yuppie can ruin your whole day.
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University of California, Irvine   Internet: dkrause@orion.oac.uci.edu
Welcome to Irvine, Yuppieland USA  BITNET: DJKrause@uci.edu

Hi world... a very merry-end-of-the-UN-deadline to you all!!

Could some nice soul (solitary or otherwise) please send me (or repost here)
the ``twin-peaks timeline'' from the beginning of the Second Series onwards??

Or if anyone has made a major updgrade to the first-series timeline since
December, please send me that too...

Many thanks in advance...

Roger........

-- Roger Dubar | JANET: r.dubar@uk.ac.strath.vaxa aka ANJOU | Internet: r.dubar%vaxa.strath.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk | The Law School, Strathclyde University, Glasgow, Scotland. | Disclaimer: Everything in this note is true. Except this bit. Fire walk with you!!

In article <80RWV46@cs.swarthmore.edu>, dup94@campus.swarthmore.edu says:
> >
Various questions deleted

> >* Could there be any connection between Nicky and the KKK?  All these little
> >kids with all these supernatural powers (I liked "recurring Random
> >misfortunes" that have befallen Nicky). He reminds me of the kid in the
> >Twilight Zone Movie who could wish for anything, and terrorized the adults
> >around him.  What sort of wonderfully nasty things could he do to Uncle Andy?

I too, feel there is more likely a connection between the KKK (shouldn't
that be CCK?) and Little Nicky than Nicky being Bob's next host.
Didn't Mrs. Tremond say that her grandson was an orphan?

Linda
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Canadians eat only buffalo and beer pie: Live in a vast barren land:
Consume 6 billion dollars of alcohol per year: Always say "What will
be, will be":Canadian facts-courtesy Republic of China Tourist Bureau
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> >I remember reading that they ("they" being the makers of TP) were
> >going to have Coop fall in love.  My guess is that the lucky recipient
of  the 
> > good agent's
> >affections will be Dougie's widow.

I don't think Coop would waste his time with a piece of useless freight
like Dougie's widow.  (How much value do you think a person like her
contributes to the GNP each year?  $0.00?)  I heard it was gonna be
Judge What's-his-face's law clerk, Sam (or Pete or Joe or Tom or Phil or
whatever the hell her name was).

In article <M9RWWK6@cs.swarthmore.edu> dup94@campus.swarthmore.edu Daniel Pedersen - Keren's Daddy writes:
> >In article <42522@ut-emx.uucp>, osmigo@ut-emx.uucp (Ron Morgan) writes...

>> >>I wonder, thinking of "trekkies," what's a good handle for Twin Peaks fans?
>> >>"Peakies?" "Twinkies?"
> >
> >I like "Twinkies."   Or how about "Twin Freaks?"

A friend here has taken to calling us
"Peak Heads"
(I guess balance does make more sense)
"All you need in life are Guts, Distance and Symmetry"  -  Benjamin Horne
Jack Vinsonvinson@linc.cis.upenn.edu

In article <19046@shlump.nac.dec.com>, boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
> > In article <1931@harlie.tegra.COM>, phillips@tegra.COM (Steve Phillips) writes...
> > 
> > } In article <1991Jan15.194952.26416@midway.uchicago.edu> swsh@ellis.uchicago.edu (Janet M. Swisher) writes:
> > 
> > }} Jacoby smelled the burnt-oil smell *at the gazebo* when he was attacked,
> > }} NOT during Jacques' murder. Remember: he changed his story under hypnosis.  
> > 
> > } An alternative explanation is that maybe Jacoby smelled the burnt oil smell
> > } at both places.  He said pretty clearly that he smelled it in the hospital,
> > } so I don't see why we shouldn't believe him.
> >  
> > } After all, it was Leland/BOB who committed both crimes.

We never found out for certain who attacked Jacoby at the gazebo.  Just like
we don't know who shot Coop.

Perhaps we'll never know or maybe loose ends to WKLP will still play a
part in the new story lines.

--Cool Bean
-- **This is not cultural.

In article <FuNTV1w163w@bbs.sbs.com>, jhartley@bbs.sbs.com (Joe Hartley) writes:
> > I think that the people searching for the owner of a vicuna coat are on the 
> > wrong track.  I believe the white stuffed animal in Ben Horne's office is a 
> > vicuna, and we clearly saw Leland pluck some fur from this animal and place 
> > it in his pocket an episode or two before he purchased the agricultural land 
> > tract.

My roommate looked up vicuna in the dictionary being we had never heard of
it before.  Anyway the all powerful Webster said it was related to a llama.
The white thing in Ben's office looks like a fox to me.

--Cool Bean
-- **This is not cultural.

Sorry to bring this up again.  But I have some friends at the Pentagon
(who do not have access to this network) who would love to subscribe
to the Twin Peaks Gazette.  Unfortunately, I no longer have that
information.  Could someone send it to me so that I can make these
overworked gov't people happy this week?

Much appreciated.

Oh, I know where BOB is.  I saw him (Ray Wise) on Star Trek last
week.

--Cool Bean
-- **This is not cultural.

The program in question was a <poorly> made for TV movie pseudo bio of the
short-lived criminal career of John Dillinger. One-shot deal. :-)  :-)

Actually a better movie would have been a truly fictional account of
Dillinger Meets Audrey Horne. Dillinger's supposed true claim to fame was his
reportedly impressive genitalia - a thread recently explored on alt.folklore.
urban.


                             Mostly THE BEAR

aka MXL4@PSUVM <Mark Lafer>                   ()      ()
                                                 o . o
Not a By-product of Any Technology!               xxx

In article <M9RWWK6@cs.swarthmore.edu> dup94@campus.swarthmore.edu Daniel Pedersen - Keren's Daddy writes:
>> >>"Peakies?" "Twinkies?"
> >I like "Twinkies."   Or how about "Twin Freaks?"

"Twin Peakers"
--
 Daniel Pearl      Concurrent Computer Corporation, Westford, Massachusetts USA
(508) 392-2478          danny@westford.ccur.com

> >Suppose a man as calculating as Ben Horne could snap after a series of 
> >financial losses and public humiliation. Would the resulting insanity manifest
> >itself in an obsession with toy soldiers? Do you really think Ben's character
> >isn't being milked for comic relief?
> >

I think that his mental state is being played up for colourfulness but I still
think it is based on a realistic mental condition, ie regression to childhood. 
As a kid he probably played with those same soldiers and wished he had a
real johnny reb costume to play in.

That is assuming that the soul of a confederate general hasn't moved in with 
him.
 
a.h.

I saw a commercial last night during 30 something.  Leo seems to be 
alive and kicking and the log lady appears to be the next murder victom
in Twin Peaks.  Looks to be quite entertaining.

Susan

In article <1991Jan16.153043.1120@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes...
>> >>Suppose a man as calculating as Ben Horne could snap after a series of 
>> >>financial losses and public humiliation. Would the resulting insanity manifest
>> >>itself in an obsession with toy soldiers? Do you really think Ben's character
>> >>isn't being milked for comic relief?

I haven't seen his current mental state as comic relief but as a regression to 
his past.  Note how drastic his breakdown has been.  Ben used to be almost 
fastidious about his personal appearance; take a look at him now.

> >I think that his mental state is being played up for colourfulness but I still
> >think it is based on a realistic mental condition, ie regression to childhood. 
> >As a kid he probably played with those same soldiers and wished he had a
> >real johnny reb costume to play in.

Let's not forget the nostalgic trip down memory lane with the films of the 
opening of the Great Northern.  I believe there was a point when Ben was 
standing right next to the screen and touching it gently.  Then there was Ben
and Jerry's vision of Louise Dombrowski dancing on the hook rug.  There was 
something in TV Guide (I know it's been ironically off base before) about Ben 
being dissatisfied with his life.  That seems to be on the money.  It might be
accurate to say that Ben is a frustrated artist...

--Michelle

Did anyone else check out the table lamp in the Brigg's house -
a large white owl .....

Paul

-- Paul Campbell UUCP: ..!mtxinu!taniwha!paul AppleLink: CAMPBELL.P Where do you find a "kinder gentler nation" when you need one these days?

In article <3814@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> russelrd@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Robert Russell) writes:
> >
> >Well, maybe Ben is "faking" his insanity in order
> >to move along some big plan of his on his enemies.

I thought this too when he gave the assignment to Bobby (of course, Bobby is
not the wisest choice for a new henchman).  He still has enough money to hang
on to the hotel and impress Bobby with a wad of greenbacks (probably didn't
take a whole lot though).  He has definitely gone weird.  BUT this stuff with
symmetry and tuning ones environment to match their personality is rather
advanced and interesting (to me at least).  I do hope that we haven't totally
lost Ben to his psychosis.


"All you need in life are Guts (balance?), Distance and Symmetry"
  -  Benjamin Horne
Jack Vinsonvinson@linc.cis.upenn.edu

In article <91014.131839ADMN8647@Ryerson.CA> ADMN8647@Ryerson.CA (Linda Birmingham) writes:
> >2.
> >    I too, am glad the Major has returned.  The last scene with he and
> >    his wife was quite touching (him stroking her hair and all) and the
> >    way he said that things were not alright certainly leads one to
> >    believe that Twin Peaks is heading for some serious trouble.

I loved this scene too.  With Bobby actually sounding like he cared about his
father and talking to his mother like a human being right before.  ~"Dad is
weird, but he has more going on upstairs than most folks."  When the major
reappeared he told Bobby to put out his cigarette and he DID.  Then asked for a
stiff martini which Bobby went to get.  Different from the Bobby who needed a
smack to lose the cigaratte into mom's cake...

for some reason I just thought of "Time is out of joint." from Hamlet with
regards to things being not alright....

> >
> >3.  Where is Jerry Horne?
> >
> >    Ben certainly appears to have lost it, although he seems to be
> >    regaining some of his deviousness with the enlistment of Bobby.
> >    But where is Jerry?  Ben could use his brother's help right
> >    now more than anyone elses (and I could use a dose of Jerry's
> >    insanity).

I too missed him this episode.  His insanity seems to be more innocent than
Ben's or the other folks' in TP-land.


"All you need in life are Guts (balance?), Distance and Symmetry"
  -  Benjamin Horne
Jack Vinsonvinson@linc.cis.upenn.edu

jhanks@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (John Hanks) writes:

> > *Subject: Re: Repost: Who shot Coop?
> > *
> > *In article <1991Jan9.141708.811@cs.cmu.edu>, webb@CS.CMU.EDU (Jon Webb) writ
> > *> 
> > *> By the way, the vicuna coat is a pretty strong clue; you cannot buy new
> > *> vicuna coats these days, except possibly illegally, because vicuna are
> > *> protected.  No young person in Twin Peaks is likely to have one, even
> >     I think what they identified was the fir found on Maddy as coming
> > from the white creature in Ben's office (seen promenently this week).
> > I can't imagine everyone having overlooked such an important clue as
> > that.  We're (collectively) usually right on top of things like that.
> > 
> > John

 
  Hmmm... I missed the entire last season (sigh), but here's an idea: the 
person who shot Coop has had contact with Ben's vicuna - his/her coat 
brushed by it, or s/he petted it, or somesuch.  There were only a few hairs 
found at Coop's door - it's just (if not more) likely that fur that was 
accidently picked up would drop off someone as it is that fur would drop off 
a vicuna coat.
 
   Which leaves two questions: (1) Are then any shots of someone (other than 
Leland) touching the vicuna, prior to Coop's being shot, and (2) did Ben 
instruct someone to shoot Coop?!  (Not that we can definitively answer the 
latter question).
 
 --
FFFish@Mofh  (desperate for a tape of the first season!)

Would someone explain to me how it could be that I receive posts that
are titled as replys to other titles, when I don't get the original?
I have already thought about the fact that I don't log on everyday and
the original could be dropped from the listing, but I checked this
theory and since these are dated in order, and sometimes the title
is one that would have to refer to something that happened in a
certain episode, the logic of dropping a date that is in the middle
of the listing doesn't seem to work.

Do you know what I mean?  Not a great explanation, but is it possible
that I don't get all posts about TP?  Why might that happen?

TX.  Lisa

dr3f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Douglas E. Roesch) writes:
> >I don't think Coop would waste his time with a piece of useless freight
> >like Dougie's widow.  (How much value do you think a person like her
> >contributes to the GNP each year?  $0.00?)

Yep, I bet that Coop's Top Five List of Requirements for Potential
Love Interest looks something like this:

5) Beauty, or at least prettiness.
4) Intelligence.
3) Sense of humour.
2) Spirituality.
1) Economic impact.

Or maybe not... :-)

--
     Brian Scearce (bls@robin.svl.cdc.com  -or-  robin!bls@shamash.cdc.com)
 Any opinions expressed herein do not necessarily reflect CDC corporate policy.

In article <1991Jan16.030050.2609@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Sanjiv Sarwate) writes:
> >
> >I believe that the domino does count the number of people he has killed.  It 
> >dropped by one since Hank learned that Catherine is still alive.  If he learns
> >about Andrew as well, then it will drop again.
> >-- 
I think we should call this the Domino Theory.

I guess that means he will never be a mass murderer, or for that matter have
a long and fruitful career as a paid assasin. I can't remember what the max
amount of dots on a domino is (MAX_DOMINO_SPOTS) but pretty soon he will run
out. Of course, his victims keep showing up alive, sure keeps the domino
method last longer.

Laura

What's the deal with these Nissan BOB ads for the Sentra SE-R?

Does the "R" stand for Robert?  

Is Nissan trying to cash in on twin peaks Bob?
or are they just really numb?  

If you saw a parking spot reserved for BOB, 
would you take it?  Not me!

An observation regarding the possible tie-in between BOB and Nicky and Dick.
Wasn't the music playing on the radio in Dick's car the same music that Leland 
was playing when he started dancing with Donna at the Palmer home when Leland
was still around?  If my memory serves me correctly, I think it was, but
I'll have to check my tape of the earlier epsiode. This could be an important
clue, given the significance of music in previous episodes, especially because
Leland/BOB tried to attack Donna while they were dancing to this song.

Please forgive me if this has been covered already.  A question :  is
little Nicky one in the same with the magician kid(remember the
disappearance of the creamed corn?).  thank you much in advance for
replies
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My theory on Nickie is that he has been "BOBBED", but not by BOB.  Remember
when BOB was ranting and raving in jail, he talked about "US".  I think one
of the other critters of like character to BOB has taken over Nickie.

Oz

I still think we may see the Judge's clerk back in town and after Cooper.

Oz

Actually, a week or so ago Sherilyn Fenn played Diliniger's girl friend in
a TV movie.

Oz

Someone said the scenes with Hawk are bad.  I thought the scene
on 1/12 where Hawk was talking to the widow was the funniest
of the episode.  

widow: "Are you the sheriff?"
Hawk: "Let's just say that when something big goes down, I'm the man."
Then Andy opens the door that Hawk is suavely leaning against and
gravity takes its toll on Hawk's backside.  Hilarious.
 
Also, I thought the "thought bubble" was perfect for Andy.  I believe
he probably does think in bubbles.  Wouldn't have worked with anyone 
else.
 

John Coppinger                           "You'll find that your left cuff link
University of Kentucky                    will be communicating with your right
johnc@s.ms.uky.edu                        cuff link via satellite"
JOHNC@UKMA.BITNET                               -- Nicolas Negroponte

-- John Coppinger "You'll find that your left cuff link University of Kentucky will be communicating with your right johnc@s.ms.uky.edu cuff link via satellite" JOHNC@UKMA.BITNET -- Nicolas Negroponte

Ben's character always was one of a kooky villain -- there was alwasy
a bit of Snidely Whiplash to him.  Yup, he's a cold, calculating 
profiteer, but it's also obviously the kind of role an actor can
have lots of fun with -- a soul brother to J.R. Ewing!  

Richard Beymer was a professional dancer in his younger days,
and he still moves like a dancer -- a cat who always lands on his
feet.  He puffs his cigar just like the Penguin on the old "Batman"
series, his character Ben quotes poetry to his lovers while plotting
to double-cross them, and Ben dances with glee at the prospect of
taking another mark in his crooked business deals.  You wouldn't want
a real Ben Horne to be your father, husband, or business partner
(although he'd probably be a riot to have as a brother), but there
is a lot of humor in his character!
--
Julie Kozaczka Stahlhut
"I'm not especially responsible but it's not my employer's fault."

In article <29897@shamash.cdc.com> bls@u02.svl.cdc.com (Brian Scearce) writes:
> >dr3f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Douglas E. Roesch) writes:
>> >>I don't think Coop would waste his time with a piece of useless freight
>> >>like Dougie's widow.  (How much value do you think a person like her
>> >>contributes to the GNP each year?  $0.00?)
 
I must take issue.  Coop doesn't seem to put much stock in stocks and bonds.
He's the spiritual type.

> >Yep, I bet that Coop's Top Five List of Requirements for Potential
> >Love Interest looks something like this:
> >
> >5) Beauty, or at least prettiness.
> >4) Intelligence.
> >3) Sense of humour.
> >2) Spirituality.
> >1) Economic impact.

Matchmaking is one of my favourite games. I would bet it is:
 
1) Strong will and strong cheekbones
2) earthiness and practical skills
3) impish bordering on wicked personality
 
That is assuming that he does not fall under the spell of the widow.
Spells don't count. That's cheating.
 
a.h.

Hmm -- I'm curious -- maybe I should post this to one of the sex boards! :-)
I know that many male transvestites aren't gay, but is it common for a
male heterosexual transvestite to use campy gestures?

Then again, Dennis/Denise isn't 100% campy -- s/he makes no effort to
speak in a falsely high-pitched voice.  I mean, I know this is ONLYL
A TV SHOW, and that the writers may want to keep us guessing as to
whether Dennis/Denise is straight, gay, or bi, but I'm just wondering
what the educated guesses might be from readers more familiar with
the subject!  :-)
--
Julie Kozaczka Stahlhut
"I'm not especially responsible but it's not my employer's fault."

In article <29897@shamash.cdc.com> bls@u02.svl.cdc.com (Brian Scearce) writes:
> >dr3f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Douglas E. Roesch) writes:
>> >>I don't think Coop would waste his time with a piece of useless freight
>> >>like Dougie's widow.  (How much value do you think a person like her
>> >>contributes to the GNP each year?  $0.00?)
> >
> >Yep, I bet that Coop's Top Five List of Requirements for Potential
> >Love Interest looks something like this:
> >
> >5) Beauty, or at least prettiness.
> >4) Intelligence.
> >3) Sense of humour.
> >2) Spirituality.
> >1) Economic impact.
> >
> >Or maybe not... :-)
> >
I don't get the economic impact bit.  What is it that I have missed about Coop
that you people are referring to, or did I bite on an obvious trick?

Regarding the discussion about Cooper's requirements in a female:

Does anyone remember exactly what he said when he was shot
something about making love to a certain woman?

Maybe this would give us a clue to his potential love interest.

Linda
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In article <FuNTV1w163w@bbs.sbs.com> jhartley@bbs.sbs.com (Joe Hartley) writes:
> >wrong track.  I believe the white stuffed animal in Ben Horne's office is a 
> >vicuna, and we clearly saw Leland pluck some fur from this animal and place 

No way.  The stuffed animal looked like a white fox to me (or an animal
similar to a fox).  A vicuna looks like a llama (the two-l llama, not the
Dalai Lama or the fire emergency).  The vicuna looks like a llama because it
is a close relative of both the llama and the alpaca.

If you don't know what a llama looks like, go back to the first season --
the episode where Dale, Harry and Andy visit the vet, Dr. Bob Lydecker.  The
big animal that Coop comes face-to-face with in the waiting room is a llama.

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!{hpda,versatc,apollo,ucbcad,uunet}!cadence!phz)

Did anyone out there notice that when the teaser for next week's episode
was showing, one of the pieces of Ben Horne's Gettysburg diorama was shown.
The piece was a soldier on a ****WHITE HORSE**** Remember the white horse 
the last time BOB appeared???? This is just my theory, and I have been 
proven wrong before, I just want my say.
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boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:

> >Furthermore, it is *only* our assumption that the two odors are connected
> >that suggest that Leland/BOB was the one who attacked Jacoby at the gazebo.
> >Otherwise, there is no evidence that he did so.

However, I think the scene where Maddy sneaks out of the house dressed
up as Laura makes it very possible that it was Leland who attacked
Jacoby at the Gazebo.

Leland was sitting in the dark livingroom and saw Maddy as she sneaked
out to meet Donna and James at the Gazebo. The scene ended with a rather
dramatic cut to Leland which in my opinion indicates that he probably
followed her. But... We will never know.

> >It also seems pretty clear that Leland was Leland when he killed Jacques,
> >and was not possessed by BOB at the time. For one, the murder doesn't fit
> >BOB's m.o.

I guess this is also the case if it was Leland who attacked Jacoby.

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Does anyone believe as I do that the White Lodge and the 
Dead Dog Farm are one and the same?




rkk3h@langmuir.che.virginia.edu
rkk3h@kelvin.seas.virginia.edu

In article <2065@ria.ccs.uwo.ca> peter@ria.ccs.uwo.ca (Peter Marshall) writes:
> >In article <1991Jan15.181018.26759@indetech.com> lzs@indetech.COM (Lynn Z. Schneider x2077) writes:
>> >>
>> >>Kind of reminds me of my favorite Twilight Zone episode with Billy Mummy
>> >>as "little Anthony," a kid with supernatural abilities to kill the adults
>> >>he doesn't like.
>> >>
> >
> >That must be an adapataion of Jerome Bixby's "It's a _Good_ Life.  It
> >was recently included in the anthology Black Water 2, More Tales of
> >the Fantastic, Edited by Alberto Manguel, Lester  & Orpen Denneys publishers,
> >ISBN 0-88619-124-6.
> >

...or that ever-popular movie and book, "The Bad Seed!"

p.s. I liked the comment someone made about Dicky, Lucy, and little Nicky
being so similar to Ricky, Lucy, and Little Ricky. It probably doesn't
mean anything, but the similarity sure is funny!

-- ____*_ Lynn Schneider lzs@indetech.com \ / / Independence Technologies {sun,sharkey,pacbell}!indetech!lzs \/ / 42705 Lawrence Place FAX: 415 438-2034 \/ Fremont, CA 94538 Voice: 415 438-2077

I don't think that the original posting about "economic impact" was
meant to imply anything about Coop's taste in women.  I think that
the reference to the Widow Milford's "contribution to the GNP" was
a roundabout way of saying "The Widow Milford is really a dim bulb"!

BTW, I've twice witnessed the spectacle of every male in the area
swarming around a female and listening intently.  In both cases, the
female people involved were "new kids on the block".  The first time
was in the 9th grade.  The male persons were all between 12 and 14,
the female person was 14, and she was indeed very pretty, and 
embarrassed to get all the attention.  The second time was in college.
The male persons were all between 18 and 22, the female person was 18,
and she was a truly ordinary looking person with a chunky figure, 
chronically unwashed hair, and the kind of complexion that makes
adolescents dive into vats of Clearasil.  (I'm not trying to be
cruel to this person.  When I was 18, my skin didn't look any better.)
My roommate and I, after hearing a number of male persons chatter about
how they drooled after this woman, both had hysterics when we finally
saw her.  We never did figure that one out, especially since the
comments by the local male persons were about how gorgeous she was,
and NOT that she had a wonderful personality -- most of them admitteld
to not having talked to her much.

I don't believe in witchcraft, so I wonder how she did it?  :-)
It had a healthy effect on the habits of those of us of the female
persuasion, though.  We just threw away our acne lotions and shampoo
and pigged out on Reese's cups, figuring that vanity was out and
comfortable dumpiness was perfectly acceptable for sex symbols ...:-)
--
Julie Kozaczka Stahlhut
"I'm not especially responsible but it's not my employer's fault."

In article <3906@eastapps.East.Sun.COM>, bdowning@otc.UUCP () oozed:

==> 6. Question: What was the fabric badge that Coop was holding? Looked like
==> a fir tree with a sword in the background...

bookhouse boys.  harry gave it to him before the holidays.

==> 7. Nuther question: Was the domino that, I assume Hank, was holding from
==> One-Eyed Jacks? What was the significance of bothering to show it?

the domino has always been associated with hank (he sucks it...)
they haven't made it clear where it comes from or what its
significance is.

-- ``Let a smile be your umbrella.'' - Gordon Cole (aka David Lynch) to Agent Cooper, FBI

In article <35733@netnews.upenn.edu> vinson@linc.cis.upenn.edu (Jack Vinson) writes:
> >In article <91014.131839ADMN8647@Ryerson.CA> ADMN8647@Ryerson.CA (Linda Birmingham) writes:
>> >>2.
>> >>    I too, am glad the Major has returned.  The last scene with he and
>> >>    his wife was quite touching (him stroking her hair and all) and the
>> >>    way he said that things were not alright certainly leads one to
>> >>    believe that Twin Peaks is heading for some serious trouble.
> >
> >I loved this scene too.  With Bobby actually sounding like he cared about his
> >father and talking to his mother like a human being right before.  ~"Dad is
> >weird, but he has more going on upstairs than most folks."  When the major
> >reappeared he told Bobby to put out his cigarette and he DID.  Then asked for a
> >stiff martini which Bobby went to get.  Different from the Bobby who needed a
> >smack to lose the cigaratte into mom's cake...
> >
> >for some reason I just thought of "Time is out of joint." from Hamlet with
> >regards to things being not alright....
> >

This is a stretch, but the above comment also made me think of Kurt
Vonnegut's _Slaughterhouse Five_, where Billy Pilgrim gets unstuck
in time.
-- bertsch@hpuxa.ircc.ohio-state.edu

 jhartley@bbs.sbs.com (Joe Hartley) writes,

> >I think that the people searching for the owner of a vicuna coat are on the 
> >wrong track.  I believe the white stuffed animal in Ben Horne's office is a 
> >vicuna, and we clearly saw Leland pluck some fur from this animal and place 
> >it in his pocket an episode or two before he purchased the agricultural land 
tract.

Wrong for two reasons.  One, Leland plucked out the hair long after
Cooper had been shot and recovered.  Two, THAT ANIMAL IS NOT A VICUNA! 
IT'S A FOX!  A FOX (Albert said so)!  For the record, a vicuna is a wild
relative of the Llama.


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> >We never found out for certain who attacked Jacoby at the gazebo.  Just like
> >we don't know who shot Coop.

Yes, but there is STRONG circumstantial evidence that Leland did it.  In
that episode, Maddie came down the stairs and went out and there was a
shot of Lelan in the background on the couch.  He gave Maddie a VERY
significant look as she went out the door.  At the time I thought
for sure that Leland MUST have beat up Jacobi, because I was not willing
to admit that the attacker just coincidentally happened to be where
Maddy was.  But at the time I did not think Leland was the killer, so
I just blew off the clue, but in retrospect, I really think it was most
rational to assume that Leland followed Maddie.

> >Perhaps we'll never know or maybe loose ends to WKLP will still play a
> >part in the new story lines.

You know, there are still so many loose ends in the Laura Palmer plot,
that I find it really hard to believe that it is really resolved.

doug

In article <1991Jan16.220852.12564@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
rkk3h@langmuir.che.virginia.edu (Ronald K. King) writes:

> >Does anyone believe as I do that the White Lodge and the 
> >Dead Dog Farm are one and the same?

> >rkk3h@langmuir.che.virginia.edu
> >rkk3h@kelvin.seas.virginia.edu

Apologies if I mangle the lore ...

It may be the Black Lodge.  The real estate lady said something like
only the truly good and the truly evil stop to look at a dead dog.
You (your white self) must pass through the Black Lodge and confront
your black self before you can reach the White Lodge.  If the white
self is truly good and the black self is truly evil, then it seems
they would meet at Dead Dog Farm.

Plot speculation:  Cooper rents the Dead Dog Farm, and Wyndham Earle
(his "evil twin") tracks him down there for a showdown.

Aside:  it made good sense for Cooper to be looking at real estate (in
addition to the fact that he expressed a desire to settle in Twin
Peaks early on);  with Cooper on suspension, he probably has to foot
his own bill at the Great Northern, which I doubt he could afford for
very long (if the rates are anything like what I've heard about the
real-life Salish Lodge).
--
Janet SwisherInternet: swsh@midway.uchicago.edu
University of ChicagoPhone: (312) 702-7608
Academic and Public ComputingP-mail: 1155 E. 60th St. Chicago IL 60637, USA

dup94@campus.swarthmore.edu writes:

> > While we were watching the scene where Nicky (appeasrs to) topples the jeep
> > onto Dicky-Wicky, my wife asked if he was playeed by the boy who played the
> > Kreamed Korn Kid (Pierre Tremond?).  

Nope, Pierre Tremond was played by Austin Jack Lynch, David Lynch's son.

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"Mr. BOB, you've killed Theresa Banks,   *                Richard Barrett
 Laura Palmer, Jacques Renault, and      *             18004 146th Ave NE
 Maddy Ferguson. What are you going to   *          Woodinville, WA 98072
 do next?"                               *                (206)487-1312
"I'm going to Disneyland!"               *hikaru%halcyon.uucp@seattleu.edu
**************************************************************************

In article <JYM.91Jan15234223@remarque.berkeley.edu> jym@berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:
>> >> Crticism of the week:  I'm dissapointed that we now have yet
>> >> another battered wife in the show.  The James subplot is bad
>> >> enough without still more intimations and/or displays of woman-
>> >> beating, as we had in the Shelley-Leo encounters.
> >___
> >__  I don't understand the criticism.  Having one, and then
> >_   another, battered wife on the show seems to jibe with the
> >    show's purpose of exposing the real-life horrors hidden
> >    in idealized exteriors.
> >__  As a feminist, I applaud the creators for (1) drawing
> >_   attention to a widespread social problem, (2) showing
> >    that it occurs at different socioeconomic levels, and
> >    (3) doing it in a way that shows its real horror, rather
> >    than using it as a device to exploit women.

     We all know the Lynch-crew's penchant for revealing the uncomfortable
social ill; why shoudl I be surprised that wife-beating occurs more than
once, even in a community as small as TP?  TP may indeed show 2) wife-
beating at different social levels and 3) as a horrific subject, but I
disagree that it is ever exposed as a "social ill".  In fact, there is
hardly ever any recognition of the problem by the TP characters themselves 
(James now being the notable exception).  You never heard Norma advising
Shelley to get a restraining order for dear Leo.  Thus, I do not think that
TP creators deserve "applause" per se for "drawing attention" to the
issue, since they include no redeeming social action to address it.

   Before I get flamed silly, I should say that I don't EXPECT TP to
address any social ills.  If it did, it would more resemble some self-
sanctimonious TV-movie than the creepy Peaks we know and love. My
criticism of the second battered wife stems more from an artistic
point of view (the writers are repeating themselves for the same thrills)
as well as a political one:  I don't think television can CURE social
ills, but I don't want it to DEPICT them gratuituosly, either,.

   Here ends the rant!

Elizabeth LeClair
University of Chicago
(lecl@midway.uchicago.edu)

In article <19046@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
> >In article <1931@harlie.tegra.COM>, phillips@tegra.COM (Steve Phillips) writes...
>> >> [ ... theory that Jacoby smelled burnt oil both at the
>> >>       gazebo and at the hospital ... ]
> >Because, when Cooper asked him about the smell under hypnosis, Jacoby
> >*explicitly* said, "No, that was earlier...at the gazebo."  This suggests
> >strongly that Jacoby did *not* smell the "scorched engine oil" odor in the
> >hospital.

I hope I'm not nitpicking too badly, but I don't think Jacoby said anything
nearly that definite.  I've learned not to trust my memory too strongly, so
I'll fire up the tape when I get home tonight and get the exact wording.

>> >> After all, it was Leland/BOB who committed both crimes [Jacoby and Jacques]
> >
> >Do you have evidence that we don't?

Well, the evidence is pretty strong that Leland/BOB attacked Jacoby,
and we already know that Leland killed Jacques.  Here are a few pieces
of evidence:

1.  Jacoby smelled burnt oil at the gazebo!  Unless there is someone
    else who gives off a burnt oil smell, this would seem to point
    pretty strongly at Leland/BOB.

2.  When Maddy leaves the house to make the phone call to Jacoby, there
    is a long close-up of Leland sitting on the sofa watching her leave,
    with a sinister expression on his face.  This establishes opportunity-
    Leland knew Maddy was up to something and could have followed her
    to the gazebo.

3.  The man who attacked Jacoby was wearing a long dark coat, black gloves,
    and a ski mask.  When we seee Leland later that night at the police
    station and when he kills Jacques, Leland is wearing a long dark
    coat and black gloves.

When I think about it, you could be right that it was Leland (not BOB)
who killed Jacques Renault - Leland really didn't look like he was
enjoying it.  That would be a nice touch - Leland kills Jacques
to avenge his daughter, not knowing that he himself committed
the crime.

I'll mention one other little clue which never really got resolved.
In episode 2, when Bobby and Mike meet Leo in the woods (the
football/drug scene), Bobby sees a man behind a tree and says,
"Who's that?"  The man behind the tree is definitely wearing a
long coat, gloves, and a ski mask - we spent a long time
freeze-framing that scene.  It's not the one-armed man because the
man behind the tree has a left arm.  My theory is that this was
also Leland, although no other link between him and Leo has yet
been established.

- Steve

-- ============================================================================ Steve Phillips "Never put off until tomorrow what Tegra-Varityper, Inc., Billerica, MA you can do the day after tomorrow" tegra!phillips@uunet.com - Mark Twain

lputnam@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Lee P Putnam) writes:
> > Can someone please send me all of the chess moves already shown?

   WHITEBLACK
   EarleCooper
   -----------
1. P - K4P - Q4
2. P - Q4

The board:
      BLACK
 -------------------------------
| r | n | b | q | k | b | n | r |
|-------------------------------|
| p | p | p |   | p | p | p | p |
|-------------------------------|
|   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
|-------------------------------|
|   |   |   | p |   |   |   |   |
|-------------------------------|
|   |   |   | P | P |   |   |   |
|-------------------------------|
|   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
|-------------------------------|
| P | P | P |   |   | P | P | P |
|-------------------------------|
| R | N | B | Q | K | B | N | R |
 -------------------------------
      WHITE

Strange that Earle is playing the White Lodge, and Cooper the Black Lodge.

I looked through the GNUchess file of various openings, and found none that
had P-K4 responded to with P-Q4.  Relieving, in a way, that Cooper doesn't
play like GNUchess.  Perhaps I should now find those games that start with
1. P-Q4, P-Q4; 2. P-K4, if there are any, in the GNUchess book.

Looks like Earle is opening with a Gambit of some sort, by leaving his KP
unprotected.  I expect that Cooper, even though I don't know whether it's
the best thing to do or not, will Decline.  I imagine that capturing pieces
in a game with Earle could have quite violent correlations in the real world.

- Carl Johnson

In article <91014.131839ADMN8647@Ryerson.CA> ADMN8647@Ryerson.CA (Linda Birmingham) writes:
> >1.  Dead Dog Farm:  Has anyone heard of a previous reference to
> >                    Dead Dog Farm, either on the show or somewhere
> >                    else?
> >

"Dead Dog" instantly struck me as a reference from "Wiseguy" although
it's probably just a coincidence.  Dead Dog Records was a company in terrible
shape until our hero, Vinnie Terranova, took over and turned it all around.
I think their symbol was a dead dog on a record player.

-Steven Greco

In article <wbZ63Mu00UhWM13I1A@andrew.cmu.edu>, dr3f+@andrew.cmu.edu (Douglas E. Roesch) writes...

} I heard it was gonna be Judge What's-his-face's law clerk, Sam (or Pete
} or Joe or Tom or Phil or whatever the hell her name was).

Sid.

-- "What gang are *you* with?" "Ah...the Survivors." "Never heard'a them." "I'm the only one left." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <FuNTV1w163w@bbs.sbs.com>, jhartley@bbs.sbs.com (Joe Hartley) writes...
> >I think that the people searching for the owner of a vicuna coat are on the 
> >wrong track.  I believe the white stuffed animal in Ben Horne's office is a 
> >vicuna, and we clearly saw Leland pluck some fur from this animal and place 
> >it in his pocket an episode or two before he purchased the agricultural land 
> >tract.

Wrong.  Sorry, but a vicu~na (with a spanish ~n, as in Se~nor) is a llama -
like animal popular in South America.  A coat made of such an animal should
be quite warm, and probably expensive, judging by llama-fleece sweatewrs.
the animal in Ben's office, whose fur appeared onm Maddie was _definitely_
not a vicuna, but (Ithink) a white fox, at least according to Albert.  I
might be mistaken about the fox, but not about the Vicuna (according to
Webster's it is related to the guanaco, llama and alpaca, and resides in the
Andes).

> > 
> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Joe Hartley, Cadre Technologies - cadreri!jh@doorknob.cs.brown.edu

Daniel Pedersen - Keren's Daddy

In article <6gPVV1w163w@mofh> fffish@mofh (David Priest) writes:

AAAARRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

=> 
=>   Which leaves two questions: (1) Are then any shots of someone (other than 
=>Leland) touching the vicuna
=> 

Once and for all, the little white creature in Ben's office that Leland/BOB
pulled some fur off of *IS*NOT*A*VICUNA*!!!!  A vicuna is in the llama
family and is *MUCH* bigger than the stuffed critter in Ben's office.

=> --
=>FFFish@Mofh  (desperate for a tape of the first season!)


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In article <1081@sppy00.UUCP> jds@sppy00.UUCP (SOUTHERN JAMES D) writes:
> >
> >The following article appeared in the Jan./Feb. 1991 edition of the Utne
> >Reader. This magazine provides an excellent overview of the plethora of
> >alternative magazines that are currently available. It is being published
> >without the permission of the Utne Reader.

[remainder nuked]

This is the third time I've seen this article.

James, if you've been re-posting this, please stop.  If your news system
has been re-posting this, please fix it.  If someone else's news system has
been re-posting it, please figure out which one and complain to its
management.

Thanks.

--
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Jim Shaffer, Jr.      | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | endless compromises
37 Brook Street       | 72750.2335@compuserve.com    | shatter the illusion of
Montgomery, PA 17752  | (CompuServe as a last resort)| integrity!"  (Rush)

In article <1991Jan16.182439.3030@nntp-server.caltech.edu>, floom@nntp-server.caltech.edu (Laura E. Floom) writes:
> > In article <1991Jan16.030050.2609@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Sanjiv Sarwate) writes:
> >I can't remember what the max
> > amount of dots on a domino is (MAX_DOMINO_SPOTS) but pretty soon he will run
> > out. Of course, his victims keep showing up alive, sure keeps the domino
> > method last longer.

It's twelve.

-- **This is not cultural.

In article <kbZ_Qve00VorMlPERd@andrew.cmu.edu>, cc4c+@andrew.cmu.edu (Christopher James Culver) writes:
> > 
> > Please forgive me if this has been covered already.  A question :  is
> > little Nicky one in the same with the magician kid(remember the
> > disappearance of the creamed corn?).  thank you much in advance for
> > replies

No.  The magician was David Lynch's son.  Nicky's credit has a different
name.  Although I cannot remember what it is.

--Cool Bean   
-- **This is not cultural.

Just *how* similar to a llama *are* vicunas? I've missed most of the 
second season, so have they checked the vets to see if anyone owns a vicuna
locally? Perhaps the 'llama' owner should be a suspect :).

James Nicoll

In article <61625@masscomp.ccur.com> danny@joisey.westford.ccur.com (Daniel Pearl) writes:
> >In article <M9RWWK6@cs.swarthmore.edu> dup94@campus.swarthmore.edu Daniel Pedersen - Keren's Daddy writes:
>>> >>>"Peakies?" "Twinkies?"
>> >>I like "Twinkies."   Or how about "Twin Freaks?"
> >"Twin Peakers"

"Pin Tweakers"

:-)

...Kris
-- Kristopher Stephens, | (408-746-6047) | krs@uts.amdahl.com | KC6DFS Amdahl Corporation | | | [The opinions expressed above are mine, solely, and do not ] [necessarily reflect the opinions or policies of Amdahl Corp. ]

In article <1991Jan16.202418.25028@athena.mit.edu> jstahlhu@athena.mit.edu (Julie Kozaczka Stahlhut) writes:
> >
> >Hmm -- I'm curious -- maybe I should post this to one of the sex boards! :-)
> >I know that many male transvestites aren't gay, but is it common for a
> >male heterosexual transvestite to use campy gestures?
> >
> >Then again, Dennis/Denise isn't 100% campy -- s/he makes no effort to
> >speak in a falsely high-pitched voice.  I mean, I know this is ONLYL
> >A TV SHOW, and that the writers may want to keep us guessing as to
> >whether Dennis/Denise is straight, gay, or bi, but I'm just wondering
> >what the educated guesses might be from readers more familiar with
> >the subject!  :-)
> >--
> >Julie Kozaczka Stahlhut
> >"I'm not especially responsible but it's not my employer's fault."

According to DEAR ABBEY transvestites are not necessarily gay. I am
sure she knows.

DEAR ABBEY would not lie!!

In article <91016.130810LJL4@psuvm.psu.edu> LJL4@psuvm.psu.edu (Lisa Laidlaw) writes:
> >Would someone explain to me how it could be that I receive posts that
> >are titled as replys to other titles, when I don't get the original?
> >[...]
> >
> >Do you know what I mean?  Not a great explanation, but is it possible
> >that I don't get all posts about TP?  Why might that happen?
> >
> >TX.  Lisa

Well, it works like this...  The netnews is forwarded from site-
to-site based on when an article arrived at a particular site,
what neighbor sites it "feeds", and the subscription and delivery
methods in place between each site.  (Sometimes it amazes me that
this network works at all -- there's no centralized control.)

One special way to set up a subscription is to feed locally-
written articles (that is, written by a user on "this system")
to a neighbor (or neighbors) and not forward any other articles,
because those neighbors are too well-connected to need the whole
shebang.  What happens, then, is this:

site_A forwards article 1 to site_B (along with
a whole batch)

site_B!reader sees and follows-up to article 1,
making article 2, which is on a local feed to
from site_B to site_C.

Contact is made fairly quickly between site_B and
site_C, delivering the (local from site_B) article
2 (the followup), but nothing else from the newsgroup,
including article 1.

site_C batches the followup to site_D (yours), but
has never seen article 1 because it hasn't yet made
contact with site_A.  site_C and site_A do make
contact, say an hour later, and site_C acquires
article 1, but that's long after it has already
forwared the followup.

Thus, you'll get the followup from site_B!user without seeing
the original article until later.

What's this got to do with Pin Tweaks?  Not much, but BOB would
probably like the seeming disjunction.

...Kris
-- Kristopher Stephens, | (408-746-6047) | krs@uts.amdahl.com | KC6DFS Amdahl Corporation | | | [The opinions expressed above are mine, solely, and do not ] [necessarily reflect the opinions or policies of Amdahl Corp. ]

In article <1991Jan17.092643.11370@pbs.org> mpax@pbs.org writes:
> >In article <1991Jan16.182439.3030@nntp-server.caltech.edu>, floom@nntp-server.caltech.edu (Laura E. Floom) writes:
>> >> In article <1991Jan16.030050.2609@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Sanjiv Sarwate) writes:
>> >>I can't remember what the max
>> >> amount of dots on a domino is (MAX_DOMINO_SPOTS) but pretty soon he will run
>> >> out. Of course, his victims keep showing up alive, sure keeps the domino
>> >> method last longer.
> >
> >It's twelve.

The most common domino-sets are called Double-Sixes, with tiles 
running from blank-blank through six-six.  For real fanatics,
there are Double-Nines, and if players have fallen off the deep
end, Double-Twelves (blank-blank through twelve-twelve).

Seems to me that size and spacing on the tiles Hank has been
worrying indicate a set of Double-Sixes, making the "It's twelve"
correct, but it is quite possible that Hank has one of the more
substantial sets to draw from.

...Kris
-- Kristopher Stephens, | (408-746-6047) | krs@uts.amdahl.com | KC6DFS Amdahl Corporation | | | [The opinions expressed above are mine, solely, and do not ] [necessarily reflect the opinions or policies of Amdahl Corp. ]

In article <H0RWCT6@cs.swarthmore.edu> Daniel Pedersen writes:
> >So Denise/Dennis' remarks that made it quite obvious that he(she) is VERY
> >interested in Audrey...
> >
> >I'm in about as much dark as Coop is about the meaning of "putting panties on
> >one leg at a time."  Can anyone enlighten this poor soul who usually doesn't
> >wear panties?  

It's a play on the old line "I still put my pants on one leg at a time" which
translates as "Well gosh, I'm just a regular guy". It is generally said in a
display of humility by a man in response to something like "Gee Bill, that was
incredible the way you rushed into that burning building to rescue that family
of ten." In this case, Dennis/Denise is using it to say "Even though I wear
women's clothes, I'm manly enough to appreciate the obvious virtues of a babe
like Audrey."

Matt Hefferman"Denise is a lumberjack and he's okay,
hefferman@bbn.com works in Twin Peaks for the D.E.A."

kumasawa@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Ice) writes:
> >lputnam@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Lee P Putnam) writes:
>> >> Can someone please send me all of the chess moves already shown?

> >   WHITEBLACK
> >   EarleCooper
> >   -----------
> >1. P - K4P - Q4
> >2. P - Q4

While it's true that Cooper said, "He [Earle] anticipated my move",
I don't know if that means that Earle did the *same* move.  I
thought that it was

2. PxP

showing that Earle knew Coop would do P-Q4 (or maybe P-KB4) as I
said in an earlier posting.

Have we seen Earle's second move?

--
     Brian Scearce (bls@robin.svl.cdc.com  -or-  robin!bls@shamash.cdc.com)
 Any opinions expressed herein do not necessarily reflect CDC corporate policy.

In article <1941@harlie.tegra.COM>, phillips@tegra.COM (Steve Phillips) says:
> >In article <19046@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy)
> >writes:
>> >>In article <1931@harlie.tegra.COM>, phillips@tegra.COM (Steve Phillips)
> >writes...
> >When I think about it, you could be right that it was Leland (not BOB)
> >who killed Jacques Renault - Leland really didn't look like he was
> >enjoying it.  That would be a nice touch - Leland kills Jacques
> >to avenge his daughter, not knowing that he himself committed
> >the crime.

Also Leland admitted to killing Jacques Renault when confronted with
the evidence, stating he did it because he believed Renault was
Laura's killer.  When he made his final confession he always said Bob
made him kill/hurt the girls.

As well, it was Leland's face not Bob's that was shown when Renault
was killed.  With the other Leland/Bob victims we always saw either
Bob or Bob/Leland flashes.


Linda
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In article <cfiM01CE096100@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> krs@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com (Kris Stephens [Hail Eris!]) writes:
> >The most common domino-sets are called Double-Sixes, with tiles 
> >running from blank-blank through six-six.  For real fanatics,
> >there are Double-Nines, and if players have fallen off the deep
> >end, Double-Twelves (blank-blank through twelve-twelve).

Do you think Hank ever walked around with a blank-blank tile. Prehaps
it was given to him as a child?

Laura

It wasn't really a series, just a two-hour movie called _Dillinger_ with Mark Harmon.  I didn't get to see it.  Did anybody?

Jeff Schwartz

In article <1991Jan16.220852.12564@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> rkk3h@langmuir.che.virginia.edu (Ronald K. King) writes:
> >
> >
> >Does anyone believe as I do that the White Lodge and the 
> >Dead Dog Farm are one and the same?

I figure it is the white lodge, but then again  the route into
the white lodge is through the black lodge, so...

In article <1991Jan17.003940.9163@midway.uchicago.edu>, lecl@quads.uchicago.edu
(elizabeth e. leclair) says:

> >My criticism of the second battered wife stems more from an artistic
> >point of view (the writers are repeating themselves for the same thrills)
> >as well as a political one:  I don't think television can CURE social
> >ills, but I don't want it to DEPICT them gratuituosly, either,.

I don't believe they are repeating themselves for the same thrills.
I think they are using this plot device to set up James to be
either framed or actually commit the murder of Marsh [with any
luck he'll get the chair - Do they have capital punishment in
Washington State? :) ].

Yes this could be a gratuitous depiction of wife battering, if indeed
Evelyn is being battered. For example, how did Marsh find out about
the car being crashed (that was what he was yelling about wasn't it -
thought I heard him say "Why did you have to take the jag?").  I
find it hard to believe that when everyone knew about his temper any-
one would have told him about the accident and supposedly James had
finished fixing the car.  Also didn't the brother say something about
Evelyn enjoying breaking Marsh's toys?

The abuse of Shelley was used to show that Leo was an uncontrollable
lout quite capable of selling drugs and indulging in sadomasochistic
behaviour with Laura  This may be gratuitous but it was effective in
making the viewer believe Leo could be the murderer.  Plus, lets
face it, the scenes between Leo and Shelley were pretty tense
viewing.  Even now with Leo a drooling celery stick he is still
capable of striking fear into the hearts and minds of Shelley,
Bobby and the viewer (has anyone forgot the Kazoo scene).

But since things are never what they seem in TP, the same is probably
true of this Marsh subplot.  Leo was not Laura's killer and Evelyn may
not be the helpless creature nor her husband the brute, she is
leading us all to believe.


Linda
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Is it just Portland, or will the 1-19 TP episode be pre-empted
everywhere for the Cerebral Palsy Telethon?
--
Jim Harritt
Information Technology - Telecommunications
Hewlett-Packard - McMinville Division

additional domino theory:

1. domino sets can be of at least 9 X 9 size.

2. with the use of a most significant domino-end, Hank
   could count to 6*6 or 9*9 before he ran out of
   domino.

Hope this helps.

Keith

                   "A man in a thrashing plot..."

In article <1991Jan17.161043.11942@watdragon.waterloo.edu> jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes:
> >Just *how* similar to a llama *are* vicunas? I've missed most of the 
> >second season, so have they checked the vets to see if anyone owns a vicuna
> >locally? Perhaps the 'llama' owner should be a suspect :).
> >
I agree.  The veterinarian, Bob Lydecker, best friend of the one-armed man
is a curious and suspicious character to me. Either he or one of his clients
owns the Llama.  Bob Lydecker seems to be a violent character and after all,
his name *is* BOB!

In article <1991Jan16.002236.11723@nntp-server.caltech.edu> tlynch@nntp-server.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
> >ekushnir@math.lsa.umich.edu (Eugene Kushnirsky) writes:
> >
>> >>Fine. Suppose a man as calculating as Ben Horne could snap after a series of 
>> >>financial losses and public humiliation. Would the resulting insanity manifest
>> >>itself in an obsession with toy soldiers? Do you really think Ben's character
>> >>isn't being milked for comic relief?


> >Yes, I do--because I haven't found Ben's changes funny in the least.  Draining,
> >wrenching, and slightly disturbing, yes--but *funny*?  Are we looking at the
> >same Benjamin Horne?
> >
> >There was a post I saw earlier today (sorry, forgot the author) which 
> >addressed the subject very well--about how Ben has lost, slowly but perhaps
> >inexorably, every bit of power he once had.  I'd be interested to see your
> >comments on it.

Okay, let me try one last time to explain why I think Ben Horne's character is
being ruined. He was such a great villain, at first; scheming, ruthless, always
in control. He had half the town in his pocket and goons like Hank Jennings on
a short leash. Now he's walking around in his bathrobe, making wild eyes at 
Bobby Briggs and the camera. And I think the reason for this is the void left
by Leland's death and the disappearance of Jacoby and the Log Lady, a need for
a "wacky" character. I think that Ben's soldiers are meant to take the place of
Leland's dancing and to save the writers some work. 

You found Ben's transformation "draining"? This wasn't exactly a case study of
mental degeneration. This was a once-great TV show trying for some laughs.
Look, I'm not a psychiatrist and I don't think that you are either (If I'm 
wrong, please correct me). But I think that Ben is to mental breakdowns as 
Nadine is to comas. The principal difference being that what was happening to
Nadine used to be funny.
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