Season 2, Episode 16: The Condemned Woman — February 16–March 27, 1991

I had a wild Peak experience today: I dozed off (as usual) at a team 
meeting at work, maintaining the 5% of consciousness required to answer 
direct questions. At one point when either my eyes flickered open, or my 
daydream became unusually clear, I saw BOB crouched under the conference
table. I jerked awake forcefully enough to bang my knee on the underside 
of the table. Ouch! (in more ways that one).

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

In article <1960@kuling.UUCP>, starback@kuling.UUCP (Per Starback) writes...

} A friend without net access told me he'd seen the musician Van Dyke Parks
} listed as an actor in the credits of one TP episode, but he didn't spot
} him. What part did he play?

He played a lawyer representing Leo Johnson at Leo's arraignment hearing
in, I think, Episode #2005.

-- "If I haven't explained Jerry, it's because he really can't be explained." -- Dan'l Danehy-Oakes --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

Some (indirectly) hopeful news....

The movie that aired last Saturday in TP's old time slot (Peter Gunn, I think)
was rated 83 for the week.  This is just about as bad as TP did.  This lends
support to the theory that TP's ratings were at least partially due to the
time slot.

To me, at least, this is good news.  Better chances for higher ratings when
ABC shows this season's last episodes.  High ratings for those is the only way
TP would be renewed for another season.



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In a previous article, richardh@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Richard Hancock) says:

> >/ hpopd:alt.tv.twin-peaks / burns@endor.uucp (John Burns) /  2:10 pm  Mar  5, 1991 /
> >
>> >> But when the programme
>> >> shifted from the hyper-real to the super-natural--coded radio signals 
>> >> from space, Laura's killer turning out to have been an elusive spirit 
>> >> who inhabited her father's body--it quickly became disappointingly 
>> >> silly.
> >
>> >> I agree with the above, except weren't the signals FROM Earth TO space?
>> >> John A. Burns (burns@das.harvard.edu, burns@huche1.bitnet)
> >
> >I second that emotion. Wasn't there a general feeling that the supernatural
> >explanation for WKLP was a disappointment?
> >

But, that is very nearly the whole essence of Twin Peaks!  If there was not
the supernatural, what would there be??
I like the supernatural aspect to the show, and it is part of the reason why
I have fallen in love with it.  Ever since the first episodes where Sarah 
sees BOB, it has been supernatural.  It did not just become silly and 
supernatural during the second season.  It has been silly and supernatural
all along!  But, that's why it's so good!
-- Dale, Harry, Shelley, Bobby, Benjamin, Donna, Audrey, Will, Norma, James, Ed, Pete, Leland, Josie, Catherine, Leo, Andy, Hawk, Madeleine, Laura, Lawrence, Sarah, Lucy, Jerry, Hank, Albert, Blackie, Briggs, Betty, Loglady, Mike, Nadine, Eileen, Sylvia, One-armed, dwarf, BOB, Ronette, singer, Johnny, Diane

In my previous note, I suggested that there might be a link between BOB
and the dwarf.

Further evidence:

1) Why did the dwarf do that strange dance? Answer - who else does
strange dances - Leland/BOB!

2) In the secret diary of Laura Palmer, one of her first references is
to a dream is one which she is taken to a house with her FATHER - there
are a coule of songbirds outside the window. Remember that the dwarf
said that in where he comes from, the birds sing?


RE -  The owls are not what they seem.


May be a reference to the fact that Laura hooted in her sleep ( see the
diary again ) - this fits her character quite well.



FINALLY: How to get ABC to continue TP by using your home video camera -

Get someone tall and bald to stand in a dark room under a single light. Get
them to wear a white shirt and bowtie. Make him say:

"The ratings are not what they seem".

Send the results to ABC

Paul R. Grove.

e-mail to:

iru03@seq1.keele.ac.uk

/ hpopd:alt.tv.twin-peaks / xxmartn@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov /  3:10 pm  Mar  6, 1991 /

> > Acutally, the line goes: "I'd buy THAT for a dollar".....

Q. How many TP fans does it take to "buy that for a dollar"?

A. 50.

Richard
"It's not what you know - it's what you believe."

/ hpopd:alt.tv.twin-peaks / tdwj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu /  8:32 pm  Mar  5, 1991 /

> > There was just one more so far.  A summary of 2017 was made and posted

So it was MADE (up).

Richard.

/ hpopd:alt.tv.twin-peaks / LIBR8506@Ryerson.CA /  2:20 pm  Feb 28, 1991 /

> >     The book's title is RED DRAGON *not* SIGN OF THE RED DRAGON!

In fact, it also went under the title of "Manhunter" for a short while.

Richard.
"House-bound Hispanic."

In article <AAC5FE4C20204D73@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU> UN040377@WVNVAXA.WVNET.EDU writes:
> >The movie that aired last Saturday in TP's old time slot (Peter Gunn, I think)
> >was rated 83 for the week.  This is just about as bad as TP did.  This lends
> >support to the theory that TP's ratings were at least partially due to the
> >time slot.

Now let's compare how much it COSTS the network to license an old movie
(this Gunn for hire?) compared to the cost of a TWIN PEAKS episode.

Of course, they have already bought six unseen episodes anyway...

/ hpopd:alt.tv.twin-peaks / boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) /  7:27 am  Mar  6, 1991 /

> > 40  Freedom pantiliners

BTW, just how "open" is US TV to sanitary product advertizing? We only
recently got such adverts on TV (they were previously deemed too disgusting 
to broadcast).

Just as the Dow flirted with 3,000 we saw the best advert so far - for a
brand of vaginal moisturiser (sic). Apparently three applications a week is
all it takes.

Personally I think it was "disgusting" that these adverts weren't shown years
ago.

Richard.
"Destigmatize-mania."

Somebody was talking about some clues they picked up from the first
episode at the COOP convention. Here are a few of my
thoughts/suggestions:

1) The Dwarf could represent BOB. I am not sure tha the dwarf was
laughing in the drean sequence, but note the similarities in the camera
shot when Coop turns round the corner and sees Leland laughing after
hearing about the arrest of  Ben. ALSO - the one-armed man told Coop
that BOB was his "familiar" - now a familiar is a wizard's assistant -
most often some form of magically mutateted sub-human. Sounds awfully
like the dwarf, huh? Therefore, is there a link betwenn the one-armed
man and the giant?

2) One of the first scenes in the first episode is of Josie - after
seeing it again, didn`t anyone think that her behaviour was a little
strange, especially since we hear about the BOB/Josie link?


Thoughts, suggestions?

Finally, can someone tell me what exactly are "dunkin doughnuts", and
where can I get then in the UK?


Paul R. Grove.

Dept. of International Relations, Universiy of Keele, UK.

e-mail to:

iru03@seq1.keele.ac.uk

Lets get cultural here. 

      WALTZING MATILDA (carrying a swag)

Oh! there once was a swagman camped in a Billabong,
    Under the shade of a Coolabah tree;
And he sang as he looked at his old billy boiling,
    "Who'll come a-waltzing Matilda with me?"

Who'll come a-waltzing Matilda, my darling,
   Who'll come a-waltzing Matilda with me?
Waltzing Matilda and leading a water-bag,
   Who'll come a-waltzing Matilda with me?

Down came a jumbuck to drink at the water-hole,
  Up jumped the swagman and grabbed him in glee;
And he sang as he stowed him away in his tucker-bag,
  "You'll come a-waltzing Matilda with me."

Down  came the Squatter a-riding his thoroughbred;
    Down came Policemen - one, two and three.
"Whose is the jumbuck you've got in the tucker-bag?"
    You'll come a-waltzing Matilda with me.

Up sprang the swagman and jumped in the waterhole,
    Drowning himself by the Coolibah tree;
And his ghost may be heard as it sings in the Billabong
    "Who'll come a-waltzing Matilda with me?"

                                 Banjo Patterson

                                written 1895, first published 1903

Australia's best ever poet - "Clancy of the Overflow" and  "The Man
from Snowy River" are among his other most famous works.

Michael LeGrande

#> >#>#   *However, if Bob put Harry into the drawer and Josie was still in the 
#> >#>#   *I suppose you could say that she's forever in his drawers! (hee hee).
#> >#>#   *hope these jokes don't go against anyone's grain! ;-D
#> >#>#
#> >#>#Yes, it wood be interesting.  Might keep viewers from becoming board.
#> >#>#But, now I guess we'll just have to pine away. 
#> >#>
#> >#>Well fir crying out loud.  I saw it coming, it's started again.
#> >#
#> >#Now cut that out! Ya'll are barking up the wrong tree! I'll get sycamore
#> >#of this stuff! So leaf it alone, oakay?
#> >
#> >Saps.
#> 
#> Hey!  He was aspen for it!  It's interesting to see the discussion
#> branch into areas such as this, even if people are starting to go out
#> on a limb with their ideas.  I wood knot complain.
#
#Ack, that's ENOUGH with the wooden humor...

Don't be a stick in the mud.  Leaf us have our little diversions.

> > the show is already an enormous hit in England, Italy, and spain.

It's also popular in Finland.  How many other countries is it being shown in?

[ \tom haapanen --- university of waterloo --- tom@mims-iris.waterloo.edu ]
[ "i don't even know what street canada is on"               -- al capone ]

heard on the radio this morning that Twin Peaks will "definitely be
returning" on thursday nights at 10pm.  still don't know effective when
or whether they're renewing though.

oh well...


     byron  :)

In article <BDE8E704A0202E4F@UMAECS>, GIOVIN%CIRCE@ecs.umass.edu (Rocky Giovinazzo-write to ABC and save Twin Peaks) writes:
> > 
> > In the diary, Laura mentioned a song called Waltzing Matilda
> > and I was wondering if this is a real song or not.  Has anyone heard of it?
> > Does anyone know what the music was that played while Leland
> > and Donna danced and also when Madeline dies?  Is this
> > Waltzing Matilda?
> > 

Yes, it's a real song, an Australian folk song.
I haven't seen the scenes in question, so I don't know.
I can't be bothered typing the words in. Go ask
soc.culture.australian for them!


Daniel Bowen
-- Raymond Luxury-Yacht a.k.a. DANIEL BOWEN | Remember - jumpers are Monash University, Melbourne, Australia |----\ clothing's way of telling vac122g@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au <-Both down from \ you to pull over... vac122g@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au <-16 to 18 March \ [Toxic Custard Workshop]

The Economist article also mentions the formation of COOP, somewhat
ambiguously in "Washington".

Keith

   I haven't seen the movie, but Billy Zane is listed in the credits
on the movie poster for "Memphis Belle," for anyone who's trying to track
this guy down...

Chad Sanders
Central Michigan University

In article <6929@idunno.Princeton.EDU>, jacobw@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jacob S Weinstein) writes...
> > 
> >I can't believe you switched Twin Peaks off just before the best
> >part of that whole episode! I assume you're the only one, so I'll direct
> >my question to those who stayed tuned: can you BELIEVE it? They really
> >had me thinking that Leland had killed Laura, but now to find out it was
> >Gordon- I don't know. It's a bit much. I did like the scene in which they
> >explained that the creamed corned kid was the illigetimate son of the
> >drooling old bellhop in the great northern, and that BOB was the
> >disposessed spirit of the alien ship that had been sending messages to
> >its home planet, using the log lady's (now burnt) log as an antenna, and
> >at the same time sapping all of James' and Donna's emotions to power the
> >transmitter. All along I thought they were just bad actors, and now it turns out that was part of the plot.
> >I was pretty pissed that they offed audrey, though-- especially
> >just before the engagement ring was delivered to her door. I knew Coop
> >liked her, but to find out that he was so serious, and then to have him
> >wake up with her head in the bed-- wow! Talk about powerful. 
> >Still, now that Wyndam Earl has entered a monastery, I don't
> >really know what the show is going to do for the rest of the season.
> > 


Actually, I thought the best part of the 3/2 episode was the direction.

(It was directed by Edward D. Wood 3rd)

P. R. Grove writes:

> > ALSO - the one-armed man told Coop
> >that BOB was his "familiar" - now a familiar is a wizard's assistant -
> >most often some form of magically mutateted sub-human. Sounds awfully
> >like the dwarf, huh? Therefore, is there a link betwenn the one-armed
> >man and the giant?

For the record, Webster's definition of *familiar* as follows:

familiar (as noun) 1. a close friend or associate. 2. A spirit, often 
assuming animal form, believed to serve esp. a witch. 

The animal form: an owl.
But then who does Bob serve?

Just a thought,
Sharon L. West

Just heard on the radio here in Seattle that, due to the number
of letters and other correspondence, Twin Peaks will return on
Thursdays at 9:00 (across from Cheers, of course).  Presumably,
this is just for the remainder of this season.  

Has anyone else heard this?

Cheers,

bobhurt@cac.washington.edu

In article <15579@chaph.usc.edu> ramos@aludra.usc.edu (Luis Ramos) writes:
> >* The top 3 regularly watched shows by Peakers are:
> >
> >    Rank
> >     1    Simpsons (FOX)
> >     2    Star Trek: TNG (IND)
> >     3    LA Law (NBC)

No *WONDER* Peaks was put on hiatus, if even the Peakers don't regard
Twin Peaks as one of their top 3 regularly watched shows!

Can some one tell me how to get a recently posted timeline.  
Last week I was reading it, and this week I came back and the bboard
maintainer has erased all the posts from feb 26 back.  I hate when they
do that!

Thanks in advance,
Sharon

SCHIEDAM, Netherlands (AP)--An escaped llama fought Dutch police for 
90 minutes, spat in an officer's face and kicked a dent in his patrol 
car before it was finally taken into custody, police said Tuesday. 

The South American animal jumped a fence surrounding the field where 
it was kept and crossed a busy intersection in this Rotterdam suburb, 
according to Schiedam police spokesman Jan van Hoff. 

Five officers dispatched to the scene Saturday discovered the animal
"just wouldn't budge" so they tied a rope to the llama's head and 
tried to haul it away, van Hoff said. 

The llama, which spits when upset, did so at police and damaged a 
police car with a kick during a showdown that involved mounted 
police and eight bystanders. 

The llama was finally shoved into a cattle truck and returned to 
its private owner.  
#


Note:  This item appeared in the University of Washington's student 
newspaper. . .  across from a picture of Kyle MacLachlan, who 
happens to be a UW alumnus.

--Barbara 


--
Barbara HlavinWe have to believe in Free Will, 
twain@blake.acs.washington.eduwe've got no choice. 
-Isaac Bashevis Singer

SURVEY HIGHLIGHTS:

* The top 3 regularly watched shows by Peakers are:

         Rank
          1    Simpsons (FOX)
          2    Star Trek: TNG (IND)
          3    LA Law (NBC)

* 89% own or have access to VCRs at the place of residence of which
  83% fast-forward through the commercials (one respondent claims to
  fast-forward through TP scenes involving James and Donna).

* Out of 79 responses
      72 have indicated that they have either sent or plan on sending
            their letters/FAXs (one individual sent in 5 letters) to ABC
       7 have indicated that they did not write to ABC            

* On the respondent's profile, 1 claims to be an alien from another place.

These results are based on 82 survey responses from the alt.tv.twin-peaks 
news group during the week period February 27, 1991 to March 6, 1991.
More comprehensive results and analysis shall be posted in the
following days, time permiting. I plan on posting them under the
following topics:

1. Peakers most regularly viewed shows.
2. TP Parties and Household Viewership.
3. Impact of VCRs on TV advertising.
4. Peaker's Purchasing Power Potential.
5. How many sent letters to ABC?


eat your heart out,
Louie

In article <15579@chaph.usc.edu> ramos@aludra.usc.edu (Luis Ramos) writes:
> >         Rank
> >          1    Simpsons (FOX)
> >          2    Star Trek: TNG (IND)
> >          3    LA Law (NBC)
                ^^^^^^

If it is true that TP will be aired on Thursdays at 10 PM, then it is 
a bad move because your 3rd ranked show, LA Law, conflicts with it.

> >
> >* 89% own or have access to VCRs at the place of residence of which
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I guess you will have to tape one show while viewing the other. 


Louie

Did anyone notice the reference to twin peaks in lst night's Wonder Years?
At the end of the show, Kevin's dad asked Kevin to drive to a diner on the
outskirts of town that served great apple pie. He then suggested that they
have the pie and a "cup of joe". As they drove away, you could hear an owl
hooting.

Everybody's gotta get into the act, huh?

Ron

"It is a time for total honesty between us."
- Mr. Spock

1)  Was there really an episode on 1/26?

2)  Was there really an episode on 3/2 (and was it unique?)

3)  What time and date will Peaks be returning?

Signed,
  Several very frustrated and irate Montanan Peaks fanatics

ABC Revives `Twin Peaks' on Thursday Nigh

NEW YORK - ``Twin Peaks,'' the moody, obscure nighttime
soap opera about the eccentric inhabitants of a Pacific Northwest
lumber town, is returning to ABC's prime time lineup, network
officials said Thursday.
           ``Twin Peaks'' returns Thursday, March 28, at 9 p.m. EST with
six original episodes to air in that time slot, said Robert Iger,
president of ABC Entertainment.
           ``We've returned it to the time periodr where it performed very
well against strong competition last spring, and we're hopeful that
this move will revitalize interest in the program,'' Iger said.
           ``Twin Peaks'' replaced ``Gabriel's Fire,'' a drama starring
James Earl Jones, which will be in hiatus following Thursday's
broadcast. ``Gabriel's Fire'' will return in April at a different
time period, Iger said.
           ``Twin Peaks'' had been languishing in a Saturday night time
slot until it was placed on hiatus last month. At the beginning of
its March 28 broadcast, Iger said, what has happened so far in the
season will be recapitulated.
           That's a tall order, considering how even fans of the quirky
series sometimes have trouble following its events.
           Let's take, for example, the mysterious death of Josie Packard
(Joan Chen). She died in bed while aiming a pistol at her lover,
Sheriff Harry S. Truman (Michael Ontkean) and mystical,
pie-gobbling FBI Agent Dale Cooper (Kyle MacLachlan).
           Was she angry? Who knows. She feared that he would learn all her
unsavory secrets. What happened to her after she died? Glad you
asked. Her image took up residence inside a dresser drawer knob at
the Great Northern Hotel.
           Let's not even discuss who killed Laura Palmer. Everybody knows
it was her father, Leland, while under the influence of the demonic
BOB.
           BOB, you may be interested to learn, appeared on the bed shortly
after Josie died. So did that really, REALLY strange dwarf who
appears in Cooper's dreams.
           The series was conceived by director David Lynch, the high
priest of cinematic anxiety (``Eraserhead,'' ``The Elephant Man,''
``Dune,'' ``Blue Velvet'' and ``Wild at Heart'') and Mark Frost, a
TV producer from ``Hill Street Blues.''
           ``Twin Peaks,'' a midseason replacement, was the year's most
written-about show even before its April 8, 1990, debut won a 33
percent share of the TV audience. It quickly became the most
talked-about show on television.
           But it was everything except a hit. Nominated for 14 Emmy
Awards, the most of any drama, it won only two technical prizes.
           Its audience share of 33 percent eroded when it went up against
NBC's blockbuster ``Cheers.'' It finished the season with a
respectable if unspectacular tie for 40th place.
           ABC's decision to return ``Twin Peaks'' to the Thursday night
slot against ``Cheers'' was bad news to one ratings analyst.
           ``They're determined to kill the show,'' said David Marans, a
senior researcher for the J. Walter Thompson advertising agency.
``While pulling it out of that nowhere slot on Saturday, the
lead-in of `The Father Dowling Mysteries' is almost as incompatible
a program as they have.''

    
Eduardo Krell                   AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ

UUCP: {att,decvax,ucbvax}!ulysses!ekrell  Internet: ekrell@ulysses.att.com

In article <15579@chaph.usc.edu> ramos@aludra.usc.edu (Luis Ramos) writes:
> >SURVEY HIGHLIGHTS:
> >
> >* The top 3 regularly watched shows by Peakers are:
> >
> >         Rank
> >          1    Simpsons (FOX)
> >          2    Star Trek: TNG (IND)
> >          3    LA Law (NBC)

This explains why ABC has decided to schedule TP opposite LA Law.

Those assholes.



--Mike



-- Mike Godwin, (617) 864-0665 | "You gotta put down the ducky mnemonic@eff.org | if you wanna play the saxophone." Electronic Frontier | Foundation |

Hmm, I must have missed this survey business.  Wonder how many others
did too.

I wish I would have responded, because I don't watch **ANY** other
network TV shows besides Twin Peaks!  How's that for skewing the
rankings.

The only other show I watch is also ABC, one of their best -- SPENSER.
Of course ABC cancelled it three years ago.  But I have it all on tape.
(That was another Saturday night victim by the way.)

Once a week, my honey 'n I cook some dinner, set the TV room table with
nice linen, flowers and candles, settle back, press >>PLAY>> and
teleport ourselves to Boston in the company of Spenser, Hawk, Susan
Silverman, Marty Quirk, Frank Belson and company!  The challenge each
week is to spot Today's Hot Star doing his/her obligatory SPENSER
appearance!  Last week it was Gregg Edelmann from Broadway's CITY OF
ANGELS; this week it was Andie MacDowell (lookin' pretty plain I must say).

Now THAT was Real Television!  Alt.tv.spenser, anyone?  :-)

RANKINGS:

The top 10 most regularly watched shows by Peakers 
***in addition to TWIN PEAKS*** (none of the respondents 
indicated that they don't watch TP regularly):

Rank
 1    Simpsons (FOX)
 2    Star Trek: TNG (IND)
 3    LA Law (NBC)
 4    30Something (ABC)
 5    Murphy Brown (CBS)
 6    Dark Shadows (NBC)
 7.5  Quantum Leap (NBC) 
 7.5  Wonder Years (ABC)
 9    Cheers (NBC)
10    Designing Women (CBS)

These results are based on 82 survey responses from the alt.tv.twin-peaks 
news group during the week period February 27, 1991 to March 6, 1991.
The rankings are based on a simple tally of respondent votes. Does
anyone know what these show's Nielsen ratings are?


RESPONDENT PROFILE

The rankings are based on the following (limited) profile:

1. Profession
31% (a) yuppie/professional (i.e. lawyer, stock broker, company executive, 
        doctor, etc.)
38% (b) student (starving or not)
18% (c) academe dude (i.e. professor, researcher, PhDs, etc.)
 1% (d) alien from another place
12% (e) others

2. Residence 
64% (a) urban location
 3% (b) industrial location
 4% (c) agricultural location
 1% (d) forest location
 8% (e) other (suburb)
20% (e) others

The respondent profile confirms what one can expect from people who
read the news group.

Yes...it's official!  TP is back on for the remainder of the season!

BUT!  Coop plans for tomorrow are still on.  We still want everyone to call
and fax at the specified time, but with a modified message:

Thank them first for putting it back on, THEN continue to press for renewal
in the fall.  

TP IS STILL NOT RENEWED!!!!

So, once again, call and fax to thank them, and polietly ask that Twin Peaks
be renewed in the fall.

Then send your name and address to me,  so we can keep track!

Thanks!
Bob BOB Cappel

--
Robert D. Cappel, Iowa City,IA  ||
aka "BOB", eager for fun!       ||"All we are saying is give Peaks a chance!"
cappel@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu     ||                -COOP President
czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu     ||                 Keith Poston

In article <AAC5FE4C20204D73@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU> UN040377@WVNVAXA.WVNET.EDU writes
> >The movie that aired last Saturday in TP's old time slot (Peter Gunn, I think)
> >was rated 83 for the week.  This is just about as bad as TP did.  This lends
> >support to the theory that TP's ratings were at least partially due to the
> >time slot.

But. . . TP normally even lost its own time slot.  This lends support
to the theory that TP's ratings were at *most* partially due to the time
slot.

Too.

--
 Rod Johnson  *  rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu  *  (313) 650 2315 

                "Life has a throat" --Peter Blegvad

LETTERS TO ABC

Out of 79 responses, 72 indicated that they have already sent or plan
to send letters to ABC. A complete breakdown is given:

     52 - sent letters/FAXes already 
      2 - have written letter but not yet mailed
      1 - letter in progress
     17 - not yet written letter but plan to
      7 - did not write letter     

Although most respondents have demonstrated an unwavering resolve for TP 
to continue on, in fairness to all, I should mention that some have 
opted not to write or even hesitated to write because of the issue of the 
alleged deterioration in the show's quality. Some have made a distinction 
between having the last six episodes of this season shown and renewing for 
a third season. I am really curious to know how many letters, FAXes and 
phone calls were received by ABC regarding TP.

Louie

Fellow peakers,
I used to watch this show and I very much liked it because it was
different (and good) then the usual sitcom comedy or drama.
Why did ABC cancel it??  Was it the ratings??


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In article <6696@idunno.Princeton.EDU> news@idunno.Princeton.EDU (USENET News System) writes:
>from Spenser's the Fairy Queen:
> >
> >Then groning deepe, "Nor damned Ghost," quoth he.
> >        "Nor guilefull sprite to thee these wordes doth speake,
> >        But once a man...now a tree...
> >        A cruell witch... hath thus transformed."
> >(I've left out a lot, but you get the idea.)
> >        The footnote to my edition says, "The motif of a man imprisoned
> >in a tree derives from Virgil (Aeneid 3.27-42) and is used by Ariosto
> >(Orlando Furiouso 6.26-53).
> >        I don't have a copy of the Aeneid of the Furiouso. Clearly,
> >this is significant. Can anyone track this down further?
> >

Well, I don't have the Aeneid, but your mention of Virgil brings to mind 
another arboreal metamorphosis in Dante's DIVINE COMEDY (in which Virgil
is a major character).

The Wood of the Suicides consists of thorny trees (shrubs?) housing the
souls of suicides.  When you pluck their leaves (which hurts) they can
speak as long as the sap continues to ooze out of the wound.

Back to the olde tales, wasn't Daphne turned into a tree when she ran
from Apollo?

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In article <17914@milton.u.washington.edu> bobhurt@milton.u.washington.edu (Bob Hurt) writes:
> >Just heard on the radio here in Seattle that, due to the number
> >of letters and other correspondence, Twin Peaks will return on
> >Thursdays at 9:00 (across from Cheers, of course).  Presumably,
> >this is just for the remainder of this season.  
> >
> >Has anyone else heard this?
> >

Yep, it's true - I also heard it from a contact at ABC.
It will be just the remaining 6 episodes, and is starting  Thurs
March 28 (I think that was the date)

In article <3622@dali>, ieevlsi2@nero.cs.montana.edu (VLSI) writes:
|> 
|> "It is a time for total honesty between us."
|> - Mr. Spock
|> 
|> 1)  Was there really an episode on 1/26?

Yes.  Apparently, the episode WAS shown widely, though perhaps not in
all areas, but it was not shown at the regular time, and with little or
no notice, so a lot of people missed it.  After the episode, someone
posted a summary of the episode, etc.  However, a confusing thing
happened immediately afterwards.  A lot of people who had NOT seen this
episode thought a hoax was afoot, and added false details to the
summary, making the episode more and more fantastic, including the
claims that different episodes were shown in different parts of the
country.  (Everyone I've talked to everywhere in the country affirms
that the 1/26 episode they saw was the same one that I saw -- there were
NOT different versions.)  On top of this, there were a lot of other
people who had not seen the episode who also assumed a hoax, but who
posted that there was really no 1/26 episode, adding to the confusion. 
Then there were people who contradicted THESE people, and so on and on. 
Take it from me.  There really WAS an episode shown on 1/26.

|> 2)  Was there really an episode on 3/2 (and was it unique?)

Yes, I saw a summary of it a day or two ago, but it broke off half way
through, and then someone who assumed it was a hoax added fantastic
details.  Here we go again...

|> 3)  What time and date will Peaks be returning?

Apparently, Thursday nights, but who knows that time.

I hope this helps :-).

-- J

ieevlsi2@nero.cs.montana.edu (VLSI) writes:


> >"It is a time for total honesty between us."
> >- Mr. Spock


> >1)  Was there really an episode on 1/26? Not on ABC,but there was one on
alt.tv.twin-peaks.  Sorry you missed it.6

> >2)  Was there really an episode on 3/2 (and was it unique?) Actually there are

two episodes on 3/2. One of them was written by Jack and Robbie Frost,  the
other one was written by Mark Frost tt )

> >3)  What time and date will Peaks be returning?  
    
ABC has confirmed that Twin Peaks will return on March 28 at 9:00pm est!!!!!!
Unlike the 1/26 and 3/2 episodes this is real,  just pick up the phone and call
them at (213)557-7777.  It is going to be a long wait,  but I'm sure it will be
worth it.  I would li to thank all of you who wrote letters.  Let's keep PEAKS
ALIVE.

                 COOP What happed to Josie????

                 stay tuned to find out!


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> >Signed,
> >  Several very frustrated and irate Montanan Peaks fanatics

Eric DaRe is the actor that plays Leo Johnson.

In Peaks We Trust.

:
:

Lois Therese Casaleggi         "It's a heart-breaking world if you
ltc19205@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu       want it to be, and you're the one
                                 who breaks it for me."   Squeeze

So TP is back... I didn't think that it would return so quickly...

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"Mr. BOB, you've killed Theresa Banks,   *                Richard Barrett
 Laura Palmer, Jacques Renault, and      *             18004 146th Ave NE
 Maddy Ferguson. What are you going to   *          Woodinville, WA 98072
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In article <BDE8E704A0202E4F@UMAECS> GIOVIN%CIRCE@ecs.umass.edu (Rocky Giovinazzo-write to ABC and save Twin Peaks) writes:
> >
> >In the diary, Laura mentioned a song called Waltzing Matilda
> >and I was wondering if this is a real song or not.  Has anyone heard of it?
> >Does anyone know what the music was that played while Leland
> >and Donna danced and also when Madeline dies?  Is this
> >Waltzing Matilda?
> >
> >Rocky

Waltzing Matilda is a song from Australia. If memory serves, the words are:

Waltzing Matilda, Waltzing Matilda
You'll come a Waltzing Matilda with me
and he sang as he sat ((something))
by the billabong ((a lake))

You'll come a waltzing Matilda with me

That's the chorus, anyway. I used to know the whole song, but I don't anymore.
I believe that Matilda had drowned in the billabong (sp?) and he
was singing to her.

Anyone else remember the rest?

Janet
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Down here in Australia we are only up to the 2nd 1-hour episode
(although we had two 2-hour episodes). What I want to know is
when it is known who killed Laura Palmer??? Do we have to wait
until the whole series is complete (ie. 29 shows) or do we know
after the first 7 shows??? It is great so far, but I can't see
how the interest could be sustained for that long!!

How many shows are there? From what I have determined so far, there
are 7 in the first run and 22 in the second. Are there any more???



Please reply by E-mail as I don't often get time to read my news!


Thanks in Advance,

Ray.

In article <990@grapevine.EBay.Sun.COM> koreth@panarthea.EBay.Sun.COM (Steven Grimm) writes:
> >In <44380213@bfmny0.BFM.COM> tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes:
>> >>Every letter ABC gets from an ordinary nonaffiliated citizen is worth
>> >>ten fan club form letters.
> >
> >Agreed.  If I were reading ABC's mail, I'd stick all the COOP letterhead
> >mail in a pile off by itself, and figure that some wacko club had gotten
> >together and held a letter-writing party.  

Given.  Agreed.

So?

I'd be willing to bet that we a) got a lot of people aware of the
problem, and b) more letters were written because of COOP than would
have been written otherwise.  Those letters may have been less 
effective, but they still had an effect.  Not that it matters, by
the way, but there isn't/wasn't just one letterhead.

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In article <3622@dali> ieevlsi2@nero.cs.montana.edu (VLSI) writes:
> >1)  Was there really an episode on 1/26?
> >2)  Was there really an episode on 3/2 (and was it unique?)
> >3)  What time and date will Peaks be returning?

The answer to all these questions is "42".

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                     |  union of the two will preserve an independent
                     |  reality."  - Albert Einstein

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 __ The things I tell you will not be wrong:  The 1/26 episode and
  _ the 3/2 episode are one and the same.
    <_Jym_>

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bgo@ucsee.berkeley.edu (byron c go) writes:

> >heard on the radio this morning that Twin Peaks will "definitely be
> >returning" on thursday nights at 10pm.  still don't know effective when
> >or whether they're renewing though.

Ha!  My friend that was in contact with Harley Peyton was right!  And 
you all didn't believe me :-) ...

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In article <JYM.91Mar7212847@remarque.berkeley.edu> jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:
> >___
> > __ The things I tell you will not be wrong:  The 1/26 episode and
> >  _ the 3/2 episode are one and the same.
> >    <_Jym_>
> >


 I'll catch you in my joke-bag
 You may think I've gone insane!
 But I promise you
 I will watch AGAIN!

 VCR WALK WITH ME!

 heh.


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>>> >>>Every letter ABC gets from an ordinary nonaffiliated citizen is worth
>>> >>>ten fan club form letters.
>> >>
>> >>Agreed.  If I were reading ABC's mail, I'd stick all the COOP letterhead
>> >>mail in a pile off by itself, and figure that some wacko club had gotten
>> >>together and held a letter-writing party.  
> >
> >Given.  Agreed.
> >
> >So?

*SO*, given that one has the choice to write one's letter to ABC either
as a private citizen or as a "fan club" member, one should unswervingly
choose the former option, for the sake of a bigger impact in Century City.

> >I'd be willing to bet that we a) got a lot of people aware of the
> >problem, and b) more letters were written because of COOP than would
> >have been written otherwise.  Those letters may have been less 
> >effective, but they still had an effect.  Not that it matters, by
> >the way, but there isn't/wasn't just one letterhead.

COOP has been prominently mentioned in several news features about the
hiatus and reprieve.  The media always like to have a spokesman they can
contact for quotes on something like this, and COOP provides it.
Obviously some of the principals are PR savvy, which isn't surprising
since PEAKS is what PR yuppies watch on their night off. :-)  On the
other hand, COOP's presence in this minidrama means that ABC now has to
issue ritual denials of having caved in to a pressure group, instead of
just trumpeting its responsiveness to The Public out there.

I reassert that individual viewership and feedback is the way to go.
Until COOP starts buying ad time, it won't help the show's survival
prospects OR quality.  In fact, if ABC gets the idea that PEAKS' real
appeal is frat-boy coffee mug camp kitsch, we'll be looking at the worst
third season imaginable!

       Yes PEAK freaks it is true. Due NOT to letters( although Bob Iger Said h
e appreciated them) but to a decision of ABC already made, the 6 remaining show
s return on Thurs. at 9 across from CHEERS ( who cares? ). Now we can all retur
n to our day jobs...

       One more tree pun and I'm going to LOG off forever.

An article in our paper this morning said TP is DEFINITELY scheduled
to return on Thursday March 28.  Write to ABC and thank them, and
ask them to move it to a better slot.

doug

According to the local paper, Twin Peaks is going to be back 
March 28 at 9pm.  This puts it head to head with Cheers.  

-- There is very little gray in the world. Most gray is an illusion, Meerly the result of many people's private lies combining, Until the truth is lost amongst the haze. mke@kaberd.rain.com, mke@redsun.pps.rain.com or mke@cs.pdx.edu

Twin Peaks obviously does not have much security with ABC and could
salvage its situation by trying to court another network.  (IMO) FOX
Broadcasting is the best choice.  In the past few years, FOX has expanded its
schedule and replaced several shows.  I amsure that FOX would like to have a
pre-established cult following for any new network show.  TP may not make much
money for ABC, but it could make enough for FOX execs to bevery happy.
It is just an idea if ABC keeps f#@king with TP scheduling.
--
STU

In article <45833182@bfmny0.BFM.COM> tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes:
> >Hmm, I must have missed this survey business.  Wonder how many others
> >did too.

Well, I missed it.  TP is the only show that i watch on tv at all.
Occasionally i catch Star Trek, but it isn't a show that i make it
a point to see.  TP is the only one i plan to watch.

Give ABC a call now!  The phone lines are open and they are ready for us!

Thank them for putting TP back on, but that we are still pushing for renewal!

Here are the numbers again:


General Line     213/557-7777
BOB Iger         213/557-6400
Dir, Prog        213/557-6514
VP, Prime Time   213/557-6516
VP, Prime Time   213/557-6512

NYC, AUD Rel.    212/456-7478

FAX
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213/557-7160
213/557-7170
212/456-7450


Get to those phones!!!!!!

Thanks!
Bob BOB Cappel


--
Robert D. Cappel, Iowa City,IA  ||
aka "BOB", eager for fun!       ||"All we are saying is give Peaks a chance!"
cappel@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu     ||                -COOP President
czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu     ||                 Keith Poston

I've tried to get in touch with the founders of COOP several tens of times
because I wanted to start a chapter in Ft. Laud OR get involved with one
that may have already been started down here.  I left message after message on
answering machines and have received no response from anyone.  Is this
attempt at getting Peaks back on the air for real??  Is COOP for real??
If so, why hasn't anybody returned my calls??  I called both numbers that
Fiona posted, but got no response.  I'm getting very discouraged!
::sigh::  I guess I'll continue faxing and writing to Bob Eiger all alone.
NOTICE:  There is an unofficial one-woman COOP chapter in Ft.
Lauderdale/Davie FL if any freaks out there are interested.  DON'T GIVE UP
THE FIGHT!!!!!!!!!


Paula
(veltre@polaris.nova.edu)

/ hpopd:alt.tv.twin-peaks / iru03@seq1.keele.ac.uk (P.R. Grove) /  9:41 am  Mar  7, 1991 /

> > Finally, can someone tell me what exactly are "dunkin doughnuts", and
> > where can I get then in the UK?

For the benefit of anyone visiting the UK, there are Dunkin' Donuts in
London in Piccadilly Circus and down the side of Charing Cross station.

BTW, "dunkin DOUGHNUTS" is a trans-cultural oxymoron.

In article <1991Mar7.232047.2775@neon.Stanford.EDU> spg@neon.Stanford.EDU (Stephen P. Guthrie) writes:
> >In article <17914@milton.u.washington.edu> bobhurt@milton.u.washington.edu (Bob Hurt) writes:
>> >>Just heard on the radio here in Seattle that, due to the number
>> >>of letters and other correspondence, Twin Peaks will return on
>> >>Thursdays at 9:00 (across from Cheers, of course).  Presumably,
>> >>this is just for the remainder of this season.  
>> >>
>> >>Has anyone else heard this?
>> >>
> >
> >Yep, it's true - I also heard it from a contact at ABC.
> >It will be just the remaining 6 episodes, and is starting  Thurs
> >March 28 (I think that was the date)

This is exactly what I've heard from a friend of a friend who is on the 
the TP production staff here in L.A. (Yes I live here, but don't hold it
against me.)

We did it folks!

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Mike Melnyk

In article <1991Mar7.143322.6431@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> xxmartn@lims03.lerc.nasa.gov writes:
> >
> >
> >Actually, I thought the best part of the 3/2 episode was the direction.
> >
> >(It was directed by Edward D. Wood 3rd)


Wasn't it D. Edward Wood 3rd ?? (I can't believe I'm participating not only
in the lost show stupidity, but making wood puns as well. Can my life really
be worth living ?)

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i believe that "walzing matilda" is the national song (not anthem, sort of like
a national fight song) of australia.
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heard her voice.  'Calvin,' she said, 'a hint.  For you
a hint.  Listen well:

...For that he was a spirit too delicate
To act their earthy and abhorr'd commands,
Refusing their grand hests, they did confine him
By help of their most potent ministers,
and in their most unmitigable rage,
Into a cloven pine; within which rift
Imprisoned, he didst painfully remain...

Shakespeare.  The Tempest."


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In article <Mbpc85i00UhBQ1PFEH@andrew.cmu.edu> sw2k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sharon Lee West) writes:
> >Can some one tell me how to get a recently posted timeline.
> >Last week I was reading it, and this week I came back and the bboard
> >maintainer has erased all the posts from feb 26 back.I hate when they
> >do that!

What do you expect them to do?Are you saying you have infinite disk space
out there in PITTSBURGH, or what?  (I tried that myself once, by modifying
the drive's subspace field to extend forward and backward in time, but of
course the magnetic field required to do so wiped the drive.  Back to the
drawing board!)

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In article <15579@chaph.usc.edu> ramos@aludra.usc.edu (Luis Ramos) writes:
> >
> >* The top 3 regularly watched shows by Peakers are:
> >
> >  Rank
> >   1Simpsons (FOX)

And to think I can't even get that here!  I must have the world's most
decrepit cable company. :-)

--
*  From the disk of:  | jms@vanth.uucp     | "There's UFOs over New
Jim Shaffer, Jr.      | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | York, and I ain't too
37 Brook Street       | uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms  | surprised."
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      "Nobody told me there'd be days like these... Strange days indeed!"

In article <1991Mar8.190635.15664@sbcs.sunysb.edu> mjn@sbgrad6.cs.sunysb.edu (The Sixth Replicant) writes:
> >In article <1991Mar7.143322.6431@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> xxmartn@lims03.lerc.nasa.gov writes:
>> >>Actually, I thought the best part of the 3/2 episode was the direction.
>> >>(It was directed by Edward D. Wood 3rd)
> >
> >Wasn't it D. Edward Wood 3rd ?? (I can't believe I'm participating not only
> >in the lost show stupidity, but making wood puns as well. Can my life really
> >be worth living ?)

Don't worry about it; all of us have been pining away since Peaks left.

     << Brian >>

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I've noticed some responses on alt.tv.twinpeaks that seem to
come BEFORE the posting to which they are responding. Is this a problem
with my server, or have other people noticed this?
If this is happenning at other sites, perhaps someone should
contact Major Briggs.



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USA Today Life Section reports (confirms what we all know) that TP will
return March 28 at 9:00pm opposite Cheers.  Bob Iger acknowledged
receiving "thousands of letters" and that the decision to move TP to
another night was made "long before the groundswell."   TP will return
with the six remaining episodes and a prologue recapping this season. 
Way to go gang!!

YAAAAY!!!  It's back!!

--Cool Bean
-- **This is not cultural.

In article <6981@idunno.Princeton.EDU> jacobw@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jacob S Weinstein) writes:
> >I've noticed some responses on alt.tv.twinpeaks that seem to
> >come BEFORE the posting to which they are responding. Is this a problem
> >with my server, or have other people noticed this?

This is a frequently asked question in many newsgroups -- it has nothing
to do with Twin Peaks per se.

News articles travel around the net by what is known as a "flood
algorithm," i.e., sites feed all their neighbors at once, which in turn
feed all their neighbors, etc, etc.  The time it takes articles to get
from their originating site to yours can vary.  In particular, an
article can be quickly propagated to some other site, where a reader
posts a followup, and that followup can beat the original article to
your machine!  Imagine a net composed of people passing notes in class,
and you'll have an idea of the orderings that can result.

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Apparently, the "I'd buy that for a dollar!" line was an homage
to Cyril M. Kornbluth's story "The Marching Morons," in which a
future game show's running gag line was "Would you buy it for a
quarter?" It was published in the early fifties in Galaxy Magazine;
Kornbluth died of a heart attack while running for a commuter
train in 1957.

Angus MacDonald
idddev@well.sf.ca.us
Opinions expressed in this message are solely my own.

Subject: First episode

> >1) The Dwarf could represent BOB. I am not sure tha the dwarf was
> >laughing in the drean sequence, but note the similarities in the camera
> >shot when Coop turns round the corner and sees Leland laughing after
> >hearing about the arrest of  Ben. ALSO - the one-armed man told Coop
> >that BOB was his "familiar" - now a familiar is a wizard's assistant -
> >most often some form of magically mutateted sub-human. Sounds awfully
> >like the dwarf, huh? Therefore, is there a link betwenn the one-armed
> >man and the giant?
Actually, a familiar is often referred to as more than that.
In some references, a wizard or witch can "see" through his familiar's
eyes.  Also, sometimes familiars can change form (i.e. owl to human?)
Also note, in case you forgot, Mike and BOB say, "the magician
longs to see..."  -- i.e. Mike and BOB are/were magicians or sorcerors?

> >2) One of the first scenes in the first episode is of Josie - after
> >seeing it again, didn`t anyone think that her behaviour was a little
> >strange, especially since we hear about the BOB/Josie link?
I have thought that this was strange for quite some time now.
Before last fall, I thought that the song Josie hummed at the start
of the pilot was possibly "the Nightingale" which was found playing
in Jacques cabin-- suggesting that she at least *knew* something about
Laura's death.

> >Finally, can someone tell me what exactly are "dunkin doughnuts", and
> >where can I get then in the UK?
Geez... Dunkin Doughnuts are made fresh every day-- they'd be
kind of stale if I mailed them to you.  They're just a brand of doughnuts
by the way.


Also:  from a reply to this:

|>But then who does Bob serve?
Obviously, since Mike told us that BOB was his familiar--
he used to serve Mike.

Rocky

Well, I finally got around to compiling the results of a survey I
posted here on alt.tv.twin-peaks concerning computer use by fans of Twin 
Peaks.  The original posting read as follows:
 
From: tuttle@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us (David L. Claytor)
Subject: Computer use
Summary: Which make/model computer do you use?
Keywords: Computer, mac
Message-ID: <HgZ8u1w163w@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us>
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 91 18:39:28 EST
Distribution: world
Organization: The Programmers' Pit Stop, +1 313 665 2832
 
A friend of mine contends that the majority of Twin Peaks fans *must*
be Mac users. It "stands to reason," he claims, "given the nature of
the program."  He supports his contention by citing the Mac Plus in
Sheriff Truman's office and the Mac laptop used during Cooper's meeting
with FBI Internal Affairs.
 
If you're so inclined, e-mail the make/model of your computer to me
tuttle@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us by 12:00 p.m. EST, January 31, 1991;
I'll compile the replies and post the results here on alt.tv.twin-peaks.
_______________________
 
I am pleased to report that I received 122 responses, many of which were
thoughtful and quite detailed, from the following individuals:
 
zecca@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Admiral Avenger)
dkrause@orion.oac.uci.edu (Douglas Krause)
blbusby@vms.macc.wisc.edu (Brian L. Busby)
daled@meaddata.com (Dale Drummond)
Rajiv Arora  <rajiv@ee.rochester.edu>
"Mark Gleaves" <cmdglv@vaxa.weeg.uiowa.edu>
VARGO@binah.cc.brandeis.edu
mjv@brownvm.brown.edu (Marshall Vale)
deleone@cs.wisc.edu (Renato De Leone)
muffy@mica.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy)
Delia Cioffi <cioffi@menudo.uh.edu>
tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff)
"Janet M. Swisher" <swsh@midway.uchicago.edu>
Doug vanderVeen <dv0o+@andrew.cmu.edu>
sawires%aludra.usc.edu@usc.edu (Kalim Sawires)
heinen@cayman.AMD.COM (Dirk Heinen)
smn@rhea.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Sarah McCord Nabee)
dog@cbnewsl.att.com
mdm%wdl50@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (Mike D Marchionna)
mvb@MIT.EDU (Mary V. Burke)
rjp1@ihlpa.att.com (Robert Pietkivitch)
rmb@cblph.att.com (Richard M Brack)
Jonathan Levine <jlevine@us.oracle.com>
Mike Melnyk <rmm@ipac.caltech.edu>
Brian Kendig <bskendig@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
bobh@twinkie.bellcore.com
Breck Witte <witte@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>
Dean Hansen <dhansen@u.washington.edu>
lll@iris.brown.edu (Lawrence Lee Larrivee)
krs@uts.amdahl.com (Kris Stephens)
Malcolm Mladenovic <mbm@dsbc.icl.stc.co.uk>
sandell@theory.TN.CORNELL.EDU (Gregory Sandell)
jwk@scripps.edu (John Kupec)
davidb@psych.toronto.edu
Carol Miller-Tutzauer <RIACMT@ubvmsc.cc.buffalo.edu>
bam%rudedog.asd.sgi.com@SGI.COM (Brian McClendon)
<claris!Ken_Walter@ames.arc.nasa.gov>
phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel)
rcarter@isis.cs.du.edu (Ron Carter)
Rich_Haller@computing_ctr.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller)
Marci Swede <ms5h+@andrew.cmu.edu>
genoa@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
bwdavies@rodan.acs.syr.edu
bhanafee@ads.com (Brian Hanafee)
D Neilson <erdb04@castle.edinburgh.ac.uk>
Marc Milgram <milgr%teapot.prime.com@RELAY.CS.NET>
Bernie Roehl <broehl@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>
jlecount@pyrps5.pyramid.com (Jason LeCount)
leebai!crane.aa.ox.com!heifetz!leebai!caen!uwm!lll-winken!pacbell!PacBell.
CO (Kelly Marinan)
arthur@EDDIE.MIT.EDU (Arthur L. Chin)
jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer)
russw@cs.utexas.edu (Russ Williams)
SEILER@AMARNA.GSFC.NASA.GOV (Ed Seiler (a.k.a. Bruno Frescobaldi))
"Dave Pawson" <DPAWSON.US.oramail@us.oracle.com>
kriguer@ucbarpa.Berkeley.EDU (Marc Kriguer)
vanhoek@bend.UCSD.EDU (Karen van Hoek)
nhess@us.oracle.com (Nate Hess)
nate@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Nate Berggren)
David G. Paschich <dpassage@ocf.Berkeley.EDU>
sally@mica.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson)
Haakon Dahle <hela!idt.unit.no!haakon>
Asger H|gsted <hela!freja.diku.dk!bims>
rjb@allegra.tempo.nj.att.com (Ron Brachman)
chandler@wc.novell.com (Mark Chandler)
<Viet.Ho@samba.acs.unc.edu>
tj@CS.UCLA.EDU (Tom Johnson)
snoopy!Logicon.COM!jeff@ucsd.edu
mvpab@mvgpn.att.com (Paul A Bouchard)
Lane_Molpus@NEXT.COM
raveling@Unify.com (Paul Raveling)
kkoda@ucsd.edu (Kerry Koda)
dak1200@ma (David A Kavanagh)
Eric SHAMASH <zeke@homer.cs.mcgill.ca>
"JONATHAN H. DAVIDSON" <DAVIDSON@AC.DAL.CA>
tel%egypt@uunet.UU.NET (Terry Monks)
Shin C. Kao <skao@ocf.Berkeley.EDU>
apple!well!cbm (Chris Muir)
att!fang!ablnc!kimi@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU
Mark Wahl <wahl@ocf.Berkeley.EDU>
fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Oceanstar)
Larry W. Virden <osu-cis!chemabs!lwv27>
"Shawn Broderick" <shawn@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu>
vanka@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Suryanarayana Vanka)
wybbs.mi.org!meyers (John Meyers)
"PCURRY  415-723-0730" <AT.PLC@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Brad H Needham <bradn%tekig3.pen.tek.com@RELAY.CS.NET>
Robert B. Neville <rbn@apple.com>
robertj@fernwood.mpk.ca.us (Young Rob Jellinghaus)
perz@edc3jr.gsph.pitt.edu (Walter G. Perz)
srm@packard.att.com (Steven R Marcovici)
leebai!caen!sharkey!ames!claris!netcom!drazil (Devin Ben-Hur)
cdr@brahms.AMD.COM (Carl Rigney)
eblinder@dorsai.com (Eva Blinder)
Jon Ross <jonr@ifi.uio.no>
vanth!jms@amix.commodore.com (Jim Shaffer)
"Robert Noone" <noone_r@a1.mscf.upenn.edu>
aamiddle@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Arthur Alan Middleton)
ilh@goldilocks.LCS.MIT.EDU (I. Lee Hetherington)
Paris H Magasiny <paris@brahms.udel.edu>
norm@wbst845e.xerox.com (Norm Crowfoot)
dawson@epps.kodak.com
David Barr <sisley@u.washington.edu>
Brady Duga  <duga@cvs.rochester.edu>
leebai!indetech.com!janet (Janet Christian x2054)
rlcarr@ATHENA.MIT.EDU
eddie@bme.unc.edu (Eddie Averett)
jennifer@ux1.lbl.gov (jennifer schuman)
waggoner@dtg.nsc.com (Mark Waggoner)
Jeff Pelz  <jeff@cvs.rochester.edu>
stuart@cup.portal.com (Ken Stuart)
Chuck Dupree <dupree@hpclpb.corp.hp.com>
Tiny Bubbles... <ho@hoss.unl.edu>
mig@beach.csulb.edu (Mig Gomez)
leebai!caen!uwm!Atherton.COM!jamsheed (Jamsheed Hayatghaib)
Greg M. Brown <brown@mist.CS.ORST.EDU>
 
(I apologize if I missed anyone or listed an address incorrectly.)
 
In evaluating the replies, I attempted to the adhere to the following 
criteria: 1) Determine the primary computer which the respondent used for 
work or to read net news, and 2), count only the respondent's vote, i.e., 
disregard the "other computer at home" and other alleged TP fans in the 
same office or at home.  Nevertheless, of the 122 responses, I excluded 
six from the final tally, because each of these individuals reported 
having access to both mac and non-mac computers, neither of which sounded 
primary.
 
What did the survey prove? Nothing, really. The original premise was 
flawed to the extent that it should have read "the majority of Twin Peaks 
fans WHO READ ALT.TV.TWIN-PEAKS *must* be Mac users."  I don't know if it 
would be possible to extrapolate from the population of newsgroup readers 
to the universe of all TP viewers who use computers.  Also, lumping 
computer users into either/or groups (mac and non-mac) skewed the basic 
distribution.
 
Breaking the results into mac and non-mac groups, however, my friend was 
wrong.  Non-mac users outweighed mac users, 60% to 40%.  That is, the 
majority (60%) of TP fans who read alt.tv.twin-peaks and replied to the 
survey do NOT use macs.  BUT, of all the computer makes/models reported, 
the Macintosh had a distinct edge.
 
46 Macintosh          40%
25 workstations       22% 
23 IBM/clones         20%
12 Amiga              10%
10 Others              9%
 
Thus, while it is NOT true that the majority TP fans who read 
alt.tv.twin-peaks use macs, it IS true that more macs are used by TP fans 
who read alt.tv.twin-peaks than any other make of computer. 
 
Concerning the macs on the television program, it is probably true, as 
Paul Raveling (raveling@Unify.com) wrote, 
 
        [that] "The Macs are computers of convenience -- Apple supplied
        the Twin Peaks folks with a whole mess of them at (I believe)
        at no charge. . .Apple sometimes does some odd things to
        support the arts." 
 
Asked if he could support his assertion, Paul added:
 
               "It's all word of mouth from Scott Frost.  He and the
        other writers all have a Mac at home, and when we visited
        the studio there was a modest herd of Macs in one of the
        business-like (non-set) rooms.  On the question of whether
        they were bought, leased, or donated, I'm modestly sure
        that Scott said they were donated, though it wouldn't
        surprise me if the price of the donation was working
        one or two into appearances in the show."
 
Thus, the reckoning of Janet M. Swisher <swsh@midway.uchicago.edu> is 
probably accurate and correct:  
 
         ". . .I think the appearance of Macs in the show is more 
         likely to be evidence of the production team's preferences 
         than the fans'.  It just seems obvious for a visual guy 
         like Lynch to prefer Macs."
 
So, there you have it.  I hope the survey provided a measure of enjoyment 
and friendly rivalry, which was my intention.  I thank each of you for 
your patience, cooperation, and good humor.  If I can reshape the 
material into an article of general interest about alt.tv.twin-peaks 
activity on Usenet, I will try to follow Fiona Oceanstar's lead by 
submitting it to _The_Twin_Peaks_Gazette_ for publication.
 
[BTW, I use a Mac SE and read my Usenet news on Programmers' Pit Stop, a 
public access Usenet BBS in Ann Arbor, Michigan.]
________________________________ 
 
       "Leland. Leland, the time has come for you to seek the path.
        Your soul has set you face to face with the clear light and
        you are now about to experience it in its reality. Wherein all
        things are like the void and cloudless sky and the naked
        spotless intellect is like a transparent vacuum, without
        circumference or center. Leland, in this moment, know yourself
        and abide in that state. Look to the light, Leland. Find the
        light."  [FBI Special Agent Dale Cooper]                  
 

--
David L. Claytor
tuttle@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us
...!umich!leebai!mudos!tuttle

In article <4081343@bfmny0.BFM.COM> tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes:
> >*SO*, given that one has the choice to write one's letter to ABC either
> >as a private citizen or as a "fan club" member, one should unswervingly
> >choose the former option, for the sake of a bigger impact in Century City.

That's what I said.  I have no argument with you here, and there's no
need to belabor the point.  I wrote two letters; one on our local COOP
stationary, one on my own.

> >I reassert that individual viewership and feedback is the way to go.
> >Until COOP starts buying ad time, it won't help the show's survival
> >prospects OR quality.  In fact, if ABC gets the idea that PEAKS' real
> >appeal is frat-boy coffee mug camp kitsch, we'll be looking at the worst
> >third season imaginable!

OK, then you're stating that letters on COOP letterhead actually hurt
the chances of renewal?  I don't know if you have reason to believe
this other than instinct (which is all I'm going on myself).  I don't
want to get into an argument based on no facts, so if you know this
for sure I'd like to hear your facts so people can stop hurting the
show.

I don't know why you feel that fan clubs make networks feel the show 
in question appeals because of frat-boy coffee mug camp kitsch, by the
way.  If the implication is that all COOP members/officers are frat
boys, I'm minorly insulted.  Again, I need to see some facts here, 
rather than your opinion...

Look, I don't think anyone's saying you *have* to join COOP, or that
COOP is the only way to save the show.  I think it's being presented
as one way to help things along.  You have every right to write 
letters on your own, but I don't think you have the right to dictate
the behavior of others unless you have cold facts to back up your
opinions.

--
---------------------- "I was always busy doing something close to nothing..."
Bryant Durrell                                    durrell@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu
durrell@husc9.harvard.edu                       bryant@valkyrie.ecn.uoknor.edu
Speaker-to-Eris // 'Muffin // FEM // Tif's Consort ---------------------------

Sorry, I've been away for a while so I haven't been able to post the
fourth person.  Wasn't the friend of Miguel Ferrer in Robocop, Clarence
Williams III.  If it was then he was the fourth Twin Peaks cast member
(FBI agent whatshisname?).  If it wasnt, then my apologies.

    Ken

tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes:

> > In article <6981@idunno.Princeton.EDU> jacobw@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jacob S 
>> > >I've noticed some responses on alt.tv.twinpeaks that seem to
>> > >come BEFORE the posting to which they are responding. Is this a problem
>> > >with my server, or have other people noticed this?
> > 
> > This is a frequently asked question in many newsgroups -- it has nothing
> > to do with Twin Peaks per se.

Dwarf: "Liats ni' kabb ngeemuck si' kyle ooy tath n'sht'seuk tath. Soon 
doog va'h ia."

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

According to a syndicated column in the Denver Post (09MAR91) _Twin Peaks_
will be back for six original episodes beginning Thursday, March 28th.

It is scheduled for 7 PM PST, 8PM MST, 9 PM CST, 10 PM EST.

At the beginning of the March 28 _Twin Peaks_ broadcast, a prologue will
recap what has transpired this season in the seemingly ordinary town of
Twin Peaks.

(BTW _Gabriel's Fire_ (with James Earl Jones) is currently in that slot,
and will be on hiatus, coming back in April at a different time period.)

I am setting my VCR today! Ron.

-- Ron Carter | rcarter@nyx.cs.du.edu rcarter GEnie 70707.3047 CIS Director | Center for the Study of Creative Intelligence Denver, CO | Knowledge is power. Knowledge to the people. Just say know.

from Liz Smith's Gossip column in the 2/28/91 San Francisco Chronicle:

Kyle MacLachlan, currently on leave from TV's on-hiatus "Twin Peaks," also can
be seen in the smashing new Oliver Stone movie, "The Doors," where he plays
band member Ray Manzarek.  But acting fame isn't enough for Kyle.  He was in
London recently pushing Ruffles potato chips to the Brits.  The company paid
him a reported six-figures to enthuse on the British airwaves, saying 
"Damn nice crisps!"

By the way, the "Twin Peaks" star told the English that actually, and as a
matter of fact, he *hates* cherry pie.  Always has; always will.

                                #   #   #
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There's no sense in being precise when  | Jim Pellmann (jpellmann@rational.com)
you don't even know what you're talking | RATIONAL
about.     --- John von Neumann         | Santa Clara, California

In article <45833182@bfmny0.BFM.COM> tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes:
> >Hmm, I must have missed this survey business.Wonder how many others
> >did too.

Count me in.  I thought my feed site might have bombed at the time, but
that doesn't seem to be the case if someone else missed it.  (I read
everything that I get -- I'm running a private node.)

--
*  From the disk of:  | jms@vanth.uucp     | "There's UFOs over New
Jim Shaffer, Jr.      | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | York, and I ain't too
37 Brook Street       | uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms  | surprised."
Montgomery, PA 17752  | 72750.2335@compuserve.com    |    (John Lennon)
      "Nobody told me there'd be days like these... Strange days indeed!"

I've been reading this newsgroup for quite a while, so it's possible
that something to this effect has appeared here before, lodged in my
subconcious, and just re-emerged last night.  Anyway, I was watching
_Predator II_ last night, and one of the characters describes the
Predator(s) as "Other World Life-Forms".  With my KMFA (keen mind for
acronyms) -- developed thanks to this newsgroup -- I quickly made the
connection: O.W.L.s!

Coincidence?  Who knows?  Well, I like it, anyway.

-- Jack
--
My .sig is classified.  I could show it to you, but I'd have to kill you.

In article <4cXJy1w163w@zitt> joe@zitt (Joe Zitt) writes:
> >Dwarf: "Liats ni' kabb ngeemuck si' kyle ooy tath n'sht'seuk tath. Soon 
> >doog va'h ia."                                    ^^^^^^^^^^

For some reason I can't seem to understand this word (yes, I know it's
all backwards)  has my brain evaporated?  please help.

Kathleen
jespah@milton.u.washington.edu

-- If we increase the size of the penguin until it is the same height as the man and then compare the relative brain size, we now find that the penguin's brain is still smaller. But, and this is the point, it is larger than it *was*. (Monty Python)

In article <1991Mar9.183153.17382@isis.cs.du.edu> rcarter@isis.UUCP (Ron Carter) writes:
> >According to a syndicated column in the Denver Post (09MAR91) _Twin Peaks_
> >will be back for six original episodes beginning Thursday, March 28th.
> >
> >It is scheduled for 7 PM PST, 8PM MST, 9 PM CST, 10 PM EST.

Are you sure about these times?  I thought it was going to be on at 9:00pm,
opposite "Cheers", not at 10:00 pm opposite L.A. Law...also, the PST time
is usually the same as the EST time, 'cause otherwise prime time would start
on the west coast before anyone got home from work. 

Kathleen
(who hasn't read a newspaper, heard the radio, or watched TV for two weeks
and has no idea what is going on...so forgive me if this is old news) 
jespah@milton.u.washington.edu

-- If we increase the size of the penguin until it is the same height as the man and then compare the relative brain size, we now find that the penguin's brain is still smaller. But, and this is the point, it is larger than it *was*. (Monty Python)

The following is a list of the contents of nine StuffIt archives
of Macintosh sounds from _Twin Peaks_ which are currently available
by anonymous FTP from the 'audrey.sait.edu.au' (130.220.16.88) site
in Australia.  They are located in the /pub/twin-peaks/MAC-sounds
directory.

Have fun!

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
TWIN PEAKS ARCHIVES:  SOUND LIST 

These sounds were sampled with a MacRecorder.  They were then archived
using StuffIt.  Each archive was BinHexed, then transferred using the binary
mode of FTP.  To use them, transfer them to your machine in binary mode,
then use StuffIt or another program to unBinHex and remove the sounds
from the archives.  Please note that while the compressed archives will fit on
a standard 800K diskette, the uncompressed sounds in that archive will not.  
(You need lots of disk space!  Either a hard disk or a large RAM disk.)

Archive One: 772k compressed, 1737k decompressed. 
1.Albert: A real three hanky crime.... 
2.Truman & Lucy: Lucy, you better bring Agent Cooper up to date.... 
3.Jerry & Hank: Chopping wood inside? (On Leo)
4.Bobby: Dad?  Just what is it that you do?
Maj. Briggs: That's classified.
5.Cooper: Jelly donuts? 
6.Mrs. Tremond: My grandson is studying magic. 
7.Cooper: Just give me a couple of hours to get dressed. 
8.Hawk: Good thing you guys can't keep a secret. 
9.Albert: It's another great moment in law enforcement history! 
10.Doc Hayward: That's a hell of a way to kill a tick. 
11.Toad(?): Hot damn, that's pie's good! 
12.Albert(?): I'll have to get back to you on that. 
13.Mrs. Tremond: Sometimes things can happen just like this <SNAP> 
14.Pete: Feels like someone taped my lips to the tailpipe of a bus 
15.Albert: I like to think of myself as one of the happy generations 
16.Giant (?): The owls are not what they seem. 

Archive Two: 778k compressed, 1614k decompressed 
1.Truman: What the hell happened here?
2.James & Donna: When did you start smoking?... 
3.Giant: You forgot something. 
4.Ben: YouUre a bicep, Hank.  Relax until we say flex. 
5. Albert: Your former partner flew the coop, Coop. 
6.Log Lady: You wear shiny things on your chest.
Maj. Briggs: Yes, I do.
Log Lady: Are you proud?
Maj. Briggs: No, ma'am.  Achievement is its own reward.
7. Andy: The "...and I like whales..." speech.
8.Maj. Briggs: Any bureaucracy that functions in secret....
9.Donna/James/Maddie at the Double R Cafe 
10.Blackie: Emory, say something weak and fawning.
11.Leland: Do you want to play with fire, little boy?
12.Gordon Cole: Paydirt! 

Archive Three:  769k compressed, 1661k decompressed
1.Johnathan: Next time we meet, IUll kill you, blood brother. (To Hank)
2. Andy: IUm a whole damn town!
3.Audrey: IUm Audrey Horne and I get what I want.
4.Ben: Jerry, kill Leland.
Jerry: Is this all some sort of strange and twisted dream.
5. Owls & Maj. Briggs & Cooper (White Lodge discussion?)
6.Cooper (to Lucy): Are you still seeing this...Dick?
7.Albert: Line about The WorldUs Most Decrepit Room Service Waiter 
8.James (?): Do you want to play with fire (about Laura). 
9.Nadine: Where are Mom and Dad? 
Big Ed: Uh, out of town.
10.Giant: You _will_ require medical attention. 
11.Jerry: So we're 100% certain that weUre not sure. 
12.Blackie: And what is your type, exactly? 
Audrey: Not you. No offense. 
13.Albert(?): something about "after the squaredance".
14.Albert: Line about "clean country living".
15.Cooper: Good work, Andy!
Albert: Yeah, woof! 
16.Cooper & Andy: HowUs the nose?/It's OK, only blood squirted out. 
17.Creamed Corn Kid: JUai une ame solitaire. 
18.Jerry: Ben, where are those hickory sticks? 
19.Ben & Jerry: Which one do we burn (smoked cheese pig or ledger)? 
20.BOB: Fire, walk with me. 
21.Log Lady: My log does not judge. 
22.Gordon Cole: ThereUs the one-armer now! 
23.Leo: Ptthhp...new shoes. 

Archive Four:  767k compressed, 946k decompressed 
1.Gordon Cole: Coop, at this moment you remind me of a small
Mexican chihuahua.
2.MIKE: BOB requires a human host. 
3.Insurance Guy: You might want to childproof those sockets. 
4.Albert: Describing Cooper's assailant.
5.Bobby: You know Leo, he gets pretty fixated.
Mike: I hope he gets permentantly fixated. 
6.Gordon Cole -- our first introduction to the man. 
7.MIKE: He is BOB.  Eager for fun.  He wears a smile, everybody run.
8.MIKE: I saw the face of God and was purified. 
9.Ben (at arrest): IUm gonna go out for a sandwich. 
10.Nadine (?): I want to kiss you to death. 
11.MIKE: Fire, walk with me. (At Sheriff's station.) 
12.MIKE: There is no need for medicine.... 
13.Philip Gerard: Since when is selling shoes against the law? 
14.MIKE: This is his true face, it is only seen by the Gifted,
or the Damned!

Archive Five:  728k compressed, 1119k decompressed 
1. Jerry: Ben, as your attorney, your friend, and your brother,
I strongly advise you to get a better lawyer.
2.Cooper introduces himself to Audrey at breakfast. 
3.Cooper (to Diane): gruff sleep, airpillow earplugs. 
4. Cooper: Two things that trouble me (Monroe and JFK). 
5.Truman: Your 24 hours are up... (charges Ben with Laura's murder).

Archive Six:  704k compressed, 1057k decompressed 
1. Albert: Non-violence spech --> I love you, Sheriff Truman. 
2.Cooper & Jerry: Jeremy Horne, last in his class....
3.BOB/Leland: Leland says youUre going back to Missoula...MONTANA! 
4.Albert: IUve got compassion running out of my nose, pal, I'm
the Sultan of Sentiment. 
5.Albert: Senor Drool Cup has, shall we say, a mind that wanders. 

Archive Seven: 543k compressed, 626k decompressed
1.Catherine: Benjamin Horne, you're a slimy rat-bastard.
2.The Real Mrs. Tremond: But I have no children.
3.Truman or Cooper(?): Give yourself a raise, Hawk.
4.MIKE: Speech about the Golden Circle. (To Cooper)
5.SDC/WMDRSW: I know about you!
6.Leland: I know that gum!  (At Roadhouse)
7.Albert: I think it's going terrifically well, don't you?
8.Ben(?): I've been very emotional lately.
9.?: Is he the father?
10.?: It's a 50-50 proposition.

Archive Eight: 767k compressed, 882k decompressed
1.BOB/Leland: One chants out, between two worlds....
2.Leland: I killed my daughter....  (Death speech)
3.BOB/Leland: I'll catch you with my death bag....
4.BOB/Leland: I guess I kinda, sorta did....
5.BOB/Leland: I suppose you want to ask him some questions....
6.BOB/Leland: Leland's a babe in the woods....
7.BOB/Leland: Leland, you've been a good vehicle....
8.MIKE (?): As real as I.... (To Cooper?)
9.BOB/Leland: Who!  Who!  Who!

Archive Nine: 762k compressed, 1036k decompressed
1.Lucy: Maybe.  (On whether Andy is the father of her child.)
2.Laura: My father killed me.
3.Cooper: Signature on a demon's self-portrait.
4.Cooper: Someone is missing (at the Roadhouse).
5.Lucy: Sperm were gone and now they're back.
6.LMFAP: That gum you like is going to come back in style.
7.LMFAP: Possibly the same thing as above.
8.SDC/WMDRSW: That milk'll cool down on you,
but it's getting warmer now.
9.?: The gang's all here!
10.Catherine to Ben: We've been lying to each other for most
of our adult lives.  Why spoil it with the truth now?
11.Ben: Would you like us to hum a Tibetan mantra?
12.Ben: My brother, the boy genius.
13.Cooper: Aces!
14.?: Aren't you dead?
15.Nadine: Can you see my underpants?
16.Nadine: ...boys looking up my dress....
17.Maj. Briggs(?): Friendship is the foundation of ?
18.Maj. Briggs: Have you heard of the White Lodge?
19.Big Ed: I can't see a thing in your shoes, honey, honest.
20.Cooper(?): I'm really going to miss this place.
21.Audrey to Cooper: ...first you save my life, then you break my heart?
-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sam Hill Cabal "If there's anything insidious going bwdavies@sunrise.bitneton in the world, the media is behind bwdavies@rodan.acs.syr.eduit!" -T.J. Teru

Fool me once,  shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.

Nuff said?

In article <18109@milton.u.washington.edu> jespah@milton.u.washington.edu (Kathleen Hunt) writes:
> >In article <4cXJy1w163w@zitt> joe@zitt (Joe Zitt) writes:
>> >>Dwarf: "Liats ni' kabb ngeemuck si' kyle ooy tath n'sht'seuk tath. Soon 
>> >>doog va'h ia."                                    ^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> >For some reason I can't seem to understand this word (yes, I know it's
> >all backwards)  has my brain evaporated?  please help.

Question.


--
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|  Your manuscript is both good and original. But the part that is good is  |
|  not original, and the part that is original is not good.   --S. Johnson  |
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>> >>In article <6696@idunno.Princeton.EDU> news@idunno.Princeton.EDU
>> >>    USENET News System) writes:
> >>from Spenser's the Fairy Queen:
>> >>
>> >>Then groning deepe, "Nor damned Ghost," quoth he.
>> >>        "Nor guilefull sprite to thee these wordes doth speake,
>> >>        But once a man...now a tree...
>> >>        A cruell witch... hath thus transformed."
>> >>(I've left out a lot, but you get the idea.)
>> >>        The footnote to my edition says, "The motif of a man imprisoned
>> >>in a tree derives from Virgil (Aeneid 3.27-42) and is used by Ariosto
>> >>(Orlando Furiouso 6.26-53).
>> >>        I don't have a copy of the Aeneid of the Furiouso. Clearly,
>> >>this is significant. Can anyone track this down further?
>> >>
> >
>From article 11919 and Malcolm Austin (maus@fid.morgan.com)
> >Well, I don't have the Aeneid, but your mention of Virgil brings to mind 
> >another arboreal metamorphosis in Dante's DIVINE COMEDY (in which Virgil
> >is a major character).
> >
> >The Wood of the Suicides consists of thorny trees (shrubs?) housing the
> >souls of suicides.  When you pluck their leaves (which hurts) they can
> >speak as long as the sap continues to ooze out of the wound.
> >
> >Back to the olde tales, wasn't Daphne turned into a tree when she ran
>from Apollo?

Well, it just so happens that I HAVE my Aeneid right here!
Book III, lines 27-42 read

As I made offering to Dione's daughter,
My divine mother, and to other gods
 30Who dive protection to a work begun,
I readied for the knife, there by the sea,
A sleek bull to the overlord of heaven.
Now as it happened the ground rose nearby
In a low hummock, overgrown with cornel
And myrtle saplings flickering in a thicket.
I stepped over, trying to tear away
Green stuff out of the mound to make a roof
Of boughs and leaves over the altar.  There
I had a sight of gruesome proidgy
 40Beyond description: when the first stalk came torn
Out of the earth, and the root network burst,
Dark blook driped down to soak and foul the soil.

Thanks to the honorable Robert Fitzgerald for the translation.

--
James WelcherInternet: welcher@dip.eecs.umich.edu

  "I don't post"

The actor that plays Bobby Briggs has also appeared in 'Return of the 
Living Dead II'. In one scene he picks up the phone and dials 911.
In the other end a zombie answers 'Harry Truman'. Boring, but true.
    Steven 'I don't watch TP' Snedker

In article <1991Mar10.211118.28478@math.lsa.umich.edu> ekushnir@math.lsa.umich.edu (Eugene Kushnirsky) writes:
*>>Dwarf: "Liats ni' kabb ngeemuck si' kyle ooy tath n'sht'seuk tath. Soon 
*>>doog va'h ia."                                    ^^^^^^^^^^
*>
*>For some reason I can't seem to understand this word (yes, I know it's
*>all backwards)  has my brain evaporated?  please help.
*
*Question.

Thanks to those who answered my plea...of course it is "question", how
could I have been so dumb.  I was stuck pronouncing it as "kooWEEZtishUN"
which was getting me nowhere.

Kathleen
jespah@milton.u.washington.edu
-- If we increase the size of the penguin until it is the same height as the man and then compare the relative brain size, we now find that the penguin's brain is still smaller. But, and this is the point, it is larger than it *was*. (Monty Python)

jgp@rutabaga.Rational.COM (Jim Pellmann) writes:
(quoting from an Associated Press article)

> > "They're determined to kill the show," said David Marans, a senior researcher
> > for the J. Walter Thompson advertising agency.  "While pulling it out of that
> > nowhere slow on Saturday, the lead-in of 'The Father Dowling Mysteries' is
> > almost as incompatibile a program as they have."

Say what?  Most Thursday nights I get together with friends and watch The 
Simpsons, the second half of Father Dowling, and Gabriel's Fire. These 
folks are also Peaks freaks, so it looks like all our TV watching will be 
neatly packaged into one evening.

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

/ hpopd:alt.tv.twin-peaks / jgp@rutabaga.Rational.COM (Jim Pellmann) /  8:00 pm  Mar  9, 1991 /

> > ... But acting fame isn't enough for Kyle.  He was in
> > London recently pushing Ruffles potato chips to the Brits.  The company paid
> > him a reported six-figures to enthuse on the British airwaves, saying 
> > "Damn nice crisps!"

The advertisement is for crinkly crisps (ie. reconstituted potato). Kyle in
Coop mode examines a crisp with a magnifying glass and ponders on the "twin
peaks" (in reality, multiple peaks) of the crisp.

["Crisps" are British English for the American English "chips".]

Richard.
"[his]panic"

joe@zitt (Joe Zitt) writes:

> >jgp@rutabaga.Rational.COM (Jim Pellmann) writes:
> >(quoting from an Associated Press article)

>> >> "They're determined to kill the show," said David Marans, a senior researcher
>> >> for the J. Walter Thompson advertising agency.  "While pulling it out of that
>> >> nowhere slow on Saturday, the lead-in of 'The Father Dowling Mysteries' is
>> >> almost as incompatibile a program as they have."

> >Say what?  Most Thursday nights I get together with friends and watch The 
> >Simpsons, the second half of Father Dowling, and Gabriel's Fire. These 
> >folks are also Peaks freaks, so it looks like all our TV watching will be 
> >neatly packaged into one evening.

> >It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
> >Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916


Am I the only person here who is noticing the odd timing of the TP return?

Consider that, starting this week and continuing into the first few days of
April is the NCAA Basketball Tournament, telecast by CBS.  A lot of the games
are scheduled deliberately on Thursdays, because this is a VERY good way for
CBS to break the NBC stranglehold on Thursday nights.  Bringing TP back during
this mess would be an error.  Not only will NBC's formidable lineup be showing,
but CBS will be running the NCAA Tournament.  I agree with the reviewer who
says that they are trying to kill the show.  Putting it up against one of the
top 5 TV sporting events in the country is SUICIDE!


-- Sanjiv Sarwate "But what is truth? sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.eduIs truth unchanging law? BITNET: SANJIV@UIUCVMD.BITNETWe both have truths. Are mine the same as yours?"

/ hpopd:alt.tv.twin-peaks / lainie@ingres.com (Lainie Howard) /  7:53 pm  Mar  8, 1991 /

> > I hate puns. Now mahogany is complete and my energy is sapped

<Sigh>press ganged and forced to walk the plank. Thank gosh my vicuna is
waterproof.

Richard.
"[his]panic"

In article <6981@idunno.Princeton.EDU>, jacobw@phoenix.Princeton.EDU 
(Jacob S Weinstein) writes:
> >
> >I've noticed some responses on alt.tv.twinpeaks that seem to
> >come BEFORE the posting to which they are responding. Is this a problem
> >with my server, or have other people noticed this?
> >If this is happenning at other sites, perhaps someone should
> >contact Major Briggs.
> >
> >
I've noticed this also and I think this will be the Black Lodge's
 undoing.  I did a little experimenting and started to read the postings 
in reverse order.  There are messages in the backwards postings.  Example's 
of some I've found are  "Bob is nice, Bob is good, sell your soul for a piece 
of wood?",  "You hate coffee.  You hate cherry pie.",  "The White Lodge is
an outhouse",  and "All is slack" (a little fuzzy on the last one).  Evidently,
the Black Lodge has been sending these messages through the system by placing
them backwards in the posts.  I wouldn't have found out if the news servers
didn't screw up every once in a while and I wasn't drinking decaf coffe at 
the time.  
Beware!  The thoughts you think may not be your own.

> >
> >******************************
> >*Jacob Weinstein             *
> >******************************
> >         @@
> >       @@@@@<
> >     / ^  @@@  <  Artist's conception
> >    (  *  %@@@  <
> >   < %%%%%  @@
> >    0   %  @@
> >   (%&&&&&@@ 
> >     &&& 
> >      &

charles d. kincaid
statman@sole.stat.ufl.edu

__
                       (__)*~    My conception.  Or as close as I
can recall.  Technically, I wasn't even 
there yet.  :-)

Can anyone tell me if it is true that TP sound track won one of the Grammy's??
On what category??

Thanks!

-- Benjamin Yu University of Toronto CSNET, UUCP, BITNET: Department of Computer Science byu@csri.toronto.edu Toronto, Ontario Canada M5S 1A4 byu@csri.utoronto.ca (o)(416)978 - 4299 (h)(416)470 - 8206 {uunet,watmath}!csri.utoronto.edu!byu

I'm looking for a transcription of the Diane segments from the show.  I've
purchased the Simon and Scheuster tape, but it only comprises the first
season.

If anyone has this ranscripted and in electronic form, or if you know where
I can FTP them (or download them, hell I'll even call long distance to get
them!), please email me at one of the addresses listed below.

Any information is greatly appreciated!

}lips
Eric N. Lipscomb
enlips@ponder.csci.unt.edu
lips@vaxa.acs.unt.edu
LIPS@UNTVAX.BITNET
lips@toyshop.lonestar.org

In article <1991Mar6.131139.18047@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> xxmartn@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov writes:
> >Acutally, the line goes: "I'd buy THAT for a dollar".....

Hmmm, I haven't read this story, but the line is very familiar to me
from playing the video game "Smash TV".

David

sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Sanjiv Sarwate) writes:

> >Am I the only person here who is noticing the odd timing of the TP return?

> >Consider that, starting this week and continuing into the first few days of
> >April is the NCAA Basketball Tournament, telecast by CBS.  A lot of the games
> >are scheduled deliberately on Thursdays, because this is a VERY good way for
> >CBS to break the NBC stranglehold on Thursday nights.  Bringing TP back during
> >this mess would be an error.  Not only will NBC's formidable lineup be showing,
> >but CBS will be running the NCAA Tournament.  I agree with the reviewer who
> >says that they are trying to kill the show.  Putting it up against one of the
> >top 5 TV sporting events in the country is SUICIDE!


Also notice that it's timed to avoid May, which is a sweeps month.
The last episode will air May 2.  Wait for a strategically-timed
announcement that TP has been cancelled in hopes of upping viewership
for the final episode.  AAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

-- ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// / Louise Marks Internet: marks@skat.usc.edu / / University of Southern California BITNET: marks@uscvm / /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

   ABC has decided to put Twin Peaks on again, but does anybody know
if (when/how) Global will be playing them?  Any information would be
greatly appreciated.

                                         Taki

In article <1991Mar11.141823.22781@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Sanjiv Sarwate) writes:
> >joe@zitt (Joe Zitt) writes:
> >
>> >>jgp@rutabaga.Rational.COM (Jim Pellmann) writes:
>> >>(quoting from an Associated Press article)
> >
>>> >>> 'The Father Dowling Mysteries' is
>>> >>> almost as incompatibile a program as they have."
> >
>> >>Say what?  Most Thursday nights I get together with friends and watch The 
>> >>Simpsons, the second half of Father Dowling, and Gabriel's Fire. These 
>> >>folks are also Peaks freaks, so it looks like all our TV watching will be 
>> >>neatly packaged into one evening.
> >

I'm pleased that TP returns Thursdays because that is my tv night for the
week. I watch the Simpsons, ENG and LA Law. I sometimes watch 
Father Dowling too. I don't find a taste for Father Dowling at all
incompatible with a taste for TP. 
 
This situation has motivated me to buy the vcr hardware that will
allow me to watch one thing and record another. All that trouble just
in case the new Thursday lineup proved proves too congested.
 
a.h.

byu@csri.toronto.edu (Benjamin Yu) writes:

> >Can anyone tell me if it is true that TP sound track won one of the Grammy's??
> >On what category??

Best Pop Instrumental, I believe.

Mitch McGowan
hamlet@u.washington.edu
I will return.  Until then, I will be in
the shadows if you need me.
  - Major Briggs, Twin Peaks