Season 2, Episode 16: The Condemned Woman — February 16–March 27, 1991

Ed proposes to Norma; James and Donna break up; Audrey meets a handsome, wealthy admirer from her past; Earle mails a puzzle to Audrey, Shelly and Donna; Josie makes a confession, after a dreaded encounter with Thomas Eckhardt; Cooper has another vision.

Subject From Date
Leland goes Trekkie MXL4@psuvm.psu.edu 1991-03-01 12:38
The late Leland Palmer, aka Killer BOB, has resurfaced on another <initials>
show: StarTrek: The Next Generation (STTNG). The 2.27 episode here in Happy
Valley shows that the Leland whacko persona has survived transmutation,
transportation, time distortion, and a lot of poor dialogue.

He still rants, he still raves over a lost love one (did his wife really
die in a flood - or was it BOB?) and goes gonzo weird. Ah, consustency.
He truly is now a man from a different place.

I know: TP LIVES in another dimension!

                             Mostly THE BEAR

aka MXL4@PSUVM <Mark Lafer>                   ()      ()
                                                 o . o
Not a By-product of Any Technology!               xxx
                             Mostly THE BEAR

aka MXL4@PSUVM <Mark Lafer>                   ()      ()
                                                 o . o
Not a By-product of Any Technology!               xxx
                             Mostly THE BEAR

aka MXL4@PSUVM <Mark Lafer>                   ()      ()
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Re: Dream Sequence Question wilson@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu (Peter D. Wilson) 1991-03-01 14:27
In article <4680@ns-mx.uiowa.edu>, ejacobs@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (TiffanyTwisted) writes:
> > As Cooper and Laura are sitting with the dwarf on
> > the sofa, a shadow passes behind them on the red
> > curtains.  anyone know what it was of?

   I don't think there was ever a consensus reached here on the net.
   Many thought it was the shadow of a boot (ie. a reference to Leo's
   boots which would latter be found at his house).  Others thought it
   was a bird.  Whether it was Waldo or an Owl caused another split.
   I think only Lynch will answer for sure what it was.

> >|  Erin K. Jacobs (TiffanyTwisted)   | "He was a hairy bear, he was a scary  |
> >|  ejacobs@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu      |  bear, we beat a hasty retreat from   |
> >|  IOWA: You can check out any time  |  his lair -- and then described him   |
> >|  you like but you can never leave  |  with adjectives!"  -Schoolhouse Rock |
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
     So true, so true.

  Peter.
  wilson@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu
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*  "A person is a person   |  "I am not less perfect than Lore.     *
*   no matter how small."  |   I am not less perfect than Lore."    *
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Re: Is TP returning? bgo@ucsee.berkeley.edu (byron c go) 1991-03-01 15:16
In article <6923@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> bottjech@sage.cc.purdue.edu
(Cris Boettjer) writes:

# I heard that Twin Peaks is not return?  Is this true?

# Cris

    Yes, Twin Peaks is not return.  And it's not the elusive 'any' key
that people keep telling you to hit, either.

    Geez, Cris... anyone in Intro to Programming would know this by now!
What cave have *you* been hiding in?

-----
byron c gobgo@ucsee.berkeley.edubyron@ocf.berkeley.edu
ab econ/cs '92 ...!ucbvax!ucsee!bgo ...!ucbvax!ocf!byron

"the scenery in the play was beautiful, but the actors got in front of it."
alexander woollcott

note:  smileys for the humour-impaired upon request.  e-mail only, please.
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Wooden spirits in Orlando Furioso Alexx.Kay@samba.acs.unc.edu (Alexx Kay) 1991-03-01 16:35
Canto VI of the OF features a witch named Alcina, who ensnares knights
with her beauty (much like the widow Milford), and when she tires of
them:
"And, lest her disappointed lovers spread
Report of this lascivious life of hers,
She plants them in a very different bed,
Converting them to palm trees or to firs,
Or olive-trees, or cedars, or instead,
The lesser status of a bush confers,
Or turns them into animals or streams,
Or any form that pleasing to her seems."

Personally, I think there's more to be found in the dryad connection
than in the Furioso, but I thought you'd appreciate the quote.
Alexx
"Sometimes an owl is just an owl."
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Re: Blue Velvet on Empty Nest hannan@sco.COM (POP (Pasta Oriented Person)) 1991-03-01 19:35
In article <009448EA.6F5D26E0@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU>, vargo@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU oozed:
==> They were trying to figure what they had in common and
==> her favorite movie was Blue Velvet (she suggested they watch it and Harry
==> grimaced) :-).

as ian shoales once said, in _ian shoales' perfect world_
(merle kessler, 1988):

(from the top ten rentals to avoid on a first video date)

9. _Blue Velvet_ I use this movie the way some people use astrology -
as a compatibility indicator.  If you're a fan of _Blue Velvet,
affinity is possible between us.  This is not first-date material;
this is the acid test for the long haul.

fyi, #8 is Eraserhead ("Save this one for the birth of your first-born.
Just _kidding_, God, you're so _sensitive_.")



hanna
-- ``...where the hell are the bowlers of color?'' -timr
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Monsterpiece Theatre: _Twin_Beaks_ jym@berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) 1991-03-02 05:22
___
 __ I just saw this gem on _Sesame_Street_ episode #2322.  Got it
  _ on tape, too!  Whee!!!
___
 __ I give the episode number because somebody here said you need
  _ the episode number when calling your local PBS affiliate to
    ask when the show will be aired again.
    <_Jym_>

:::.-----.::: Jym Dyer :::::: jym@mica.berkeley.edu :::.______.:::
::/  o o  \::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::| Damn |\::
::\ \___/ /:: I put my panties on one leg at a time. ::| Fine |/::
:::`-----':::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::`------':::
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COOP: I need a pep talk... fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Oceanstar) 1991-03-02 08:26
Saturday, Mar 2nd

This morning when I checked into my e-mailbox, I found a couple dozen
responses from TP fans who are getting involved in COOP.  Super!  I had
been getting a wee bit burned out on the whole project, since it's
taking so much time away from my usual writing obligations, but when I
get your cards and letters, I feel re-inspired.  Please keep talkin',
and let me know about your plans for a COOP chapter in your area.

If you want to help the cause, but you don't have much time to devote,
choose one of the following:
   1 min. --> call a local/campus radio station and ask them if they know
                 about COOP yet
   2 min. --> call a local/campus radio station and ask them to do a
 announcement about COOP 
   5 min. --> send off for a T-shirt and the letterhead
   10 min. --> call a half-dozen fellow Peakheads and ask them if
   they'd be interested in being an *officer* (wow--
   big trip, huh?  be a COOP *president" already (-:)
   20 min. --> post the info on a local/student b-board (both electronic
                and otherwise)
   1-2 hrs. --> post the info on *lots* of local/student b-boards
   2-4 hrs. --> throw a COOP party at your place

Please note that with *none* of these options are you required to get
heavily involved, committed, or otherwise time-drained.  You can choose
exactly how much or how little you want to do.

And then write to the newsgroup, or write to me, and brag all about what
you did.

--Fiona :-) :-)
  fi@grebyn.com
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Re: What's all the fuss about ? jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) 1991-03-02 09:24
In article <669@pico.OZ> davidp@pico.OZ (David Pascoe) writes:
> >We here in West Australia have only seen the first 3 episodes of ^TP^. How many
> >more do we have to watch to find out who did the murder ? What is it about

A lot more.

> >you yankees anyway ? A whole internet news group to discuss a mini series
> >on televison ?!!?

Well until recently it was an OPEN-ENDED series.  It only showed signs of
having an end a few weeks ago.

It is also, as I'm sure you can see even from three episodes, an incredibly
complex series.

--
*  From the disk of:  | jms@vanth.uucp     | "Glittering prizes and
Jim Shaffer, Jr.      | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | endless compromises
37 Brook Street       | 72750.2335@compuserve.com    | shatter the illusion of
Montgomery, PA 17752  | (CompuServe as a last resort)| integrity!"  (Rush)
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Yes, Another Survey giron@husc9.harvard.edu (Luis Giron) 1991-03-02 16:14
Well, since it looks like in the US we are not likely to 
see new episodes of TP for a while, I thought it would be interesting
to have another survey of alt.tv.twin-peaksers.  The subject is your
favorite episodes of Twin Peaks.  Since by now UK viewers have found 
out WKLP and have seen the next one or two episodes, I request them
to respond as well.
Basically, I would like to receive a list of your three favorite
episodes, by number and short synopsis of the subject matter.  You are
given ten points in total, which you may divide among the three episodes
as weights.  So for example, if your favorite episode of all time is 
2008, you can assign it eight points, and give one point to your other
two favorites.  Or you can give four to your favorite and three to your
other two favorites; you get the idea.
If there is enough response, I hope to post the results soon.
Hope to hear from you all!!

Sini Gandhi
giron@husc9.harvard.edu
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Re: video letter broehl@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Bernie Roehl) 1991-03-02 18:43
In article <1991Feb28.213240.14214@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu> lputnam@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Lee P Putnam) writes:
> >Instead of sending just a plan letter to Mr. Bob, why not send a video letter.
> >Some of you out there probably have video cameras. And most of you have
> >creativity. Then, create something (short in length) and send it off to Bob.

I like it!  Here are some ideas, in case anyone out there is planning to do it:

  - roomful of TP fans watching whatever ABC puts on in place of TP; watch
    for a few seconds, then turn to the camera together and go "yuck!" and
    stick in a tape of a TP episode and cheer when the opening credits come
    on.

  - people watching a few seconds of whatever TP is replaced by, then
    switching off the set and putting a log on top of it and smiling
    contentedly.

  - a figure with long grey hair and jean jacket crawling over a bed in a
    bright white spotlight going "Iger!  What happened to Twin Peaks????!?"

(Lots more possibilities, of course... these are just off the top of my head).
-- Bernie Roehl, University of Waterloo Electrical Engineering Dept Mail: broehl@sunee.waterloo.edu OR broehl@sunee.UWaterloo.ca BangPath: {allegra,decvax,utzoo,clyde}!watmath!sunee!broehl Voice: (519) 885-1211 x 2607 [work]
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Re: Dream Sequence Question broehl@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Bernie Roehl) 1991-03-02 18:56
In article <4680@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> ejacobs@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (TiffanyTwisted) writes:
> >As Cooper and Laura are sitting with the dwarf on
> >the sofa, a shadow passes behind them on the red
> >curtains.  anyone know what it was of?

It's my opinion that it's an owl.
-- Bernie Roehl, University of Waterloo Electrical Engineering Dept Mail: broehl@sunee.waterloo.edu OR broehl@sunee.UWaterloo.ca BangPath: {allegra,decvax,utzoo,clyde}!watmath!sunee!broehl Voice: (519) 885-1211 x 2607 [work]
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Re: COOP: I need a pep talk... durrell@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Cyberpixie) 1991-03-02 21:02
In article <1991Mar2.162612.8764@grebyn.com> fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Oceanstar) writes:
> >   2-4 hrs. --> throw a COOP party at your place
> >
> >And then write to the newsgroup, or write to me, and brag all about what
> >you did.

Welp, since our esteemed president Bob Cappel hasn't posted yet, 
the co-director of Iowa City COOP (aka yours truly) will be happy
to let y'all know how our COOP party went.

We held it at a local restaurant (no charge for the space, cause
people attending bought lots o food).  We showed old episodes, fed
people donuts, took donations, and sold T-shirts and buttons.  

When all was said and done, we had about 100 letters, 100 new COOP
members, 20 T-shirt orders, and a bunch of button orders.  We also
met all the other people in the community who were organizing
petitions and letterwriting campaigns.

In conjunction with this, we ran an all-day promotional campaign 
on the UIowa music station -- lots of mentions, cuts from the
soundtrack and the Cooper tapes, and Peaks trivia.

We'd encourage people to form chapters.  You *can* have an effect,
it isn't hard, and we've had a *lot* of fun.

--
---------------------- "I was always busy doing something close to nothing..."
Bryant Durrell                                    durrell@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu
durrell@husc9.harvard.edu                       bryant@valkyrie.ecn.uoknor.edu
Speaker-to-Eris // 'Muffin // FEM // Tif's Consort ---------------------------
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Re: Leland goes Trekkie zecca@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Admiral Avenger) 1991-03-02 21:04
In article <91060.153844MXL4@psuvm.psu.edu> MXL4@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
|The late Leland Palmer, aka Killer BOB, has resurfaced on another <initials>
|show: StarTrek: The Next Generation (STTNG). The 2.27 episode here in Happy
|Valley shows that the Leland whacko persona has survived transmutation,
|transportation, time distortion, and a lot of poor dialogue.

The episode in question, for those that don't already know, is "Who
Watches the Watchers?", a show from early *third* season ST:TNG (preceding
_Twin Peaks_ by a good six months).  Ray Wise plays a Stone Age Vulcanoid
named "Liko" that forms a religious cult around Captain Picard after
accidental contact with the crew.  With the Prime Directive now violated
and Troi (disguised as a Vulcan) in danger, Picard has to convince the
tribe that he is not a god, but just a man with several thousand years
of technology on his side.  Liko, of course, can't believe a word of it...

-- -- Admiral Avenger, zecca@tramp.colorado.edu / zecca%tramp@vaxf.colorado.edu Home of Junk Mail and Star Trek: The Crouton Generation "Now what was that about my thighs?" -- Admiral Picard to Captain Kabeta, ST:TCG3 "Remember Romulus"
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Re: What's all the fuss about ? czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Chad Zahrt) 1991-03-02 22:52
From article <jms.3153@vanth.UUCP>, by jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer):

> In article <669@pico.OZ> davidp@pico.OZ (David Pascoe) writes:
>>We here in West Australia have only seen the first 3 episodes of ^TP^. How many
>>more do we have to watch to find out who did the murder ? What is it about
>
> A lot more.


But I think you will find that as we in America have, that the murder itself
takes a back seat to developing the entire "Mythos of Twin Peaks".

After all....the play is the thing....

BOB

--
Robert D. Cappel, Iowa City,IA ||
aka "The Bob" ||"All we are saying, is give peace a chance!"
cappel@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu || --John Lennon
czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu ||
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Map of TP davidson@ac.dal.ca 1991-03-03 08:46
Has anyone been able to compile a map of Twin Peaks? I realise the geographic
references given in the show are limited but it may be possible.

Episodes 2014 (?) through 2016 had what appeared to be a map (of TP?) on the
blackboard in the Sheriff's office conference room. 

Alternatively, has anyone compiled a list of the addresses mentioned on the 
program (eg. Dr. Jacoby's office on Sparkwood road).

Jonathan Davidson

DAVIDSON@AC.DAL.CA
Dalhousie University
Halifax, Nova Scotia
Canada
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Re: video letter sally@eris.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) 1991-03-03 11:48
In article <1991Mar3.024323.19573@watserv1.waterloo.edu> broehl@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Bernie Roehl) writes:
> >In article <1991Feb28.213240.14214@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu> lputnam@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Lee P Putnam) writes:
>> >>Instead of sending just a plan letter to Mr. Bob, why not send a video letter.
>> >>Some of you out there probably have video cameras. And most of you have
>> >>creativity. Then, create something (short in length) and send it off to Bob.
> >
> >I like it!  Here are some ideas, in case anyone out there is planning to do it:
> >
> >  - roomful of TP fans watching whatever ABC puts on in place of TP; watch
> >    for a few seconds, then turn to the camera together and go "yuck!" and
> >    stick in a tape of a TP episode and cheer when the opening credits come
> >    on.
> >
> >  - people watching a few seconds of whatever TP is replaced by, then
> >    switching off the set and putting a log on top of it and smiling
> >    contentedly.
> >
> >  - a figure with long grey hair and jean jacket crawling over a bed in a
> >    bright white spotlight going "Iger!  What happened to Twin Peaks????!?"
> >
> >(Lots more possibilities, of course... these are just off the top of my head).

Or said guy in jean jacket looks into the camera and shouts: "You took
away my tv program.  I PROMISE YOU, I'LL NEVER WATCH ABC AGAIN!!!
================================================================================
Sally A. Wilson             SAVE TWIN PEAKS SAVE TWIN PEAKS SAVE TWIN PEAKS
sally@mica.berkeley.edu     SAVE TWIN PEAKS SAVE TWIN PEAKS SAVE TWIN PEAKS
===============================================================================
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A couple of clues I missed the first time jak@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu 1991-03-03 12:35
 At the meeting of COOP here in Iowa City, we watched various clips, and
I noticed a couple of clues I missed before. In the very first episode,
I think right at the beginning when Pete found Laura's body, there is a
shot of Josie standing there wearing her vicuna coat and black gloves,
the outfit she was wearing when she shot Cooper. Also, in the dream
with the LMFAP, there is a shot with the Dwarf in front of a red curtain
shaking, and making noises like he's sobbing or laughing or something.
Well, in the episode where we, the audience, discover that Leland is BOB,
Cooper and Truman talk to Leland in the Great Northern. There's a shot of
a doorway, and Leland goes around the corner, and then there's a shot
of Leland, with his back to the camera, standing in front of a red
curtain laughing, just like the Dwarf was doing. Some people don't agree
with me, but I think the Dwarf is Leland, or at least represents Leland.

In on final complaint, here in Iowa City last Saturday, in the Twin Peaks
timeslot, the local ABC station showed an episode of Magnum, P.I.. Great.
They dump Twin Peaks cuz they don't like the ratings, and then rerun a show
that has been off the air for a few years. ABC. Network of Mental Giants.

Jeff Kouba
Department of Physics and Astronomy
University of Iowa
INET: jak@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu
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Re: The owls are not what they seem boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) 1991-03-03 18:09
In article <bylander.667843904@fireant.ma.utexas.edu>, bylander@math.utexas.edu (Mark Joseph Bylander) writes...

} I missed a couple of episodes this season, and thus I have a question--
} Was the giants "The owls are not what they seem" prophecy ever fulfilled?
} As I recall, we got this prophecy both from the giants and from aliens,
} but I have not seen a resolution. Or is this just one more of the many
} dangling plot threads left by the hiatus?

The Giant never claimed that any of the things he mentioned were prophecies,
only true statements. He said them to Coop only so that when Coop found
them to be true independently, Coop would be able to trust whatever else
the Giant might have to tell him.

Since "The owls are not what they seem" was the message that appeared on
the Major's deep space monitor (and note: it didn't necessarily come from
aliens -- Briggs' superior officer told Coop later that the signals did
*not* originate from space), Coop seems to have "interpreted" this "clue"
to indicate that the Giant had sources of knowledge beyond Coop's.

The content of the clue hasn't been explained sufficiently, but that's
neither here nor there. The *significance* of the clue has certainly been
established.

-- "If I haven't explained Jerry, it's because he really can't be explained." -- Dan'l Danehy-Oakes --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM
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Re: Adieu, Mon Ame Solitaire (Was Re: ACES!) boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) 1991-03-03 18:19
In article <2161@novavax.UUCP>, brookshe@novavax.UUCP (leighton A. Brooks) writes...

} I thought the man from another place was Mike, from One armed man fame.

No, the Man From Another Place was the Dream Dwarf.

-- "If I haven't explained Jerry, it's because he really can't be explained." -- Dan'l Danehy-Oakes --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM
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Sherilyn Fenn address needed bjr@aipna.ed.ac.uk (Brian Ross) 1991-03-04 05:15
I must write to Sheriyn Fenn.
Would someone please email me
the address of the appropriate studio, etc.

Thanks.

--
Brian Ross.           I shall observe the tenets of karate.
bjr@aipna.ed.ac.ukI shall respect the instructors and seniors.  
I shall defend the truth and the innocent.
I shall never misuse karate, and I shall be a champion of freedom and justice.
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Re: Chicago Sun Times TP Article richardh@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Richard Hancock) 1991-03-04 05:16
/ hpopd:alt.tv.twin-peaks / jym@berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) /  1:37 am  Mar  1, 1991 /
> > __ For a supernatural being, BOB is really rather ordinary, and

Wasn't that because BOB was played by a non-actor? (BTW, didn't you rate his
wardrobe?)

> > :::.-----.::: Jym Dyer :::::: jym@mica.berkeley.edu :::.______.:::
> > ::/  o o  \::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::| Damn |\::
  ::   u u  |::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::|      | |:
  ::|       |::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::|      | |:
  ::\ \___/ /:: Watched fourteen hours of re-runs. ::::::| Fine |/::
> > :::`-----':::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::`------':::

Richard.
"At the bicunya sanctuary."
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<None> bookworm@athena.mit.edu (Linda Martinez) 1991-03-04 05:28
i have been away from the board for a bit, where can i get a COOP tee-shirt
for my myself and my loved ones?
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<None> bookworm@athena.mit.edu (Linda Martinez) 1991-03-04 05:28
fiona, i screwed up your message, i would love to be on the COOP mailing
list, my address is Linda Martinez, M.I.T. (10-500), 77 Mass. Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139
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Robocop and Twin Peaks km46+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ken Miller) 1991-03-04 08:06
   After watching Robocop last night, I realized why it is such a great
movie!  It has four cast members from Twin Peaks in it.  Can anybody
name them?    

    Also during a commercial, I saw an ad for Teenage Mutant Ninja
Turtles II: The Secret of the Ooze.  I saw David Warner (Thomas Eckhard)
name in the credits for the movie
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Re: Unanswered questions vargo@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU 1991-03-04 08:27
In article <120D95BDE0E01A5C@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU>, UN040377@WVNVAXA.WVNET.EDU writes:
> >
> >3) We still don't know why the OAM collapsed in front of Ben in Ep.
> >2007.  IMHO, this is an important point in figuring out the mechanics
> >of BOB/others, and in knowing what happened to Josie.
> >
> >Theories, comments, anything?  Please?


If I recall correctly, wasn't Leland walking down the hall on his way to
where the OAM was.  Didn't the camera go back and forth a couple times 
between the OAM and Leland making his way closer?

It could mean the OAM felt BOB so strongly that he could feel him approching
and collapsed just before BOB/Leland entered the room.  I *think* I remember 
thinking that the secret was almost discovered and that Ben had a very
unlucky break.

Anyone else?
Susan
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Re: Leland goes Trekkie burns@endor.uucp (John Burns) 1991-03-04 08:41
In article zecca@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Admiral Avenger) writes:
> >
> >The episode in question, for those that don't already know, is "Who
> >Watches the Watchers?", a show from early *third* season ST:TNG (preceding
> >_Twin Peaks_ by a good six months).  Ray Wise plays a Stone Age Vulcanoid
> >named "Liko" that forms a religious cult around Captain Picard after
> >accidental contact with the crew.
> >
The best part, in retrospect, was that Liko wanted to believe in God
because he was traumatized over the recent death of his family.  I watched
the end of RoboCop last night just to see what Ray Wise looks like when
he's not overcome with grief or grinning maniacally.

John A. Burns (burns@das.harvard.edu, burns@huche1.bitnet)
"Sing hallelujah, c'mon, get happy..."
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Re: Robocop and Twin Peaks shiau@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Cherubino) 1991-03-04 11:20
In article <0bob1dG00WBK40rVhm@andrew.cmu.edu> km46+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ken Miller) writes:
> >
> >   After watching Robocop last night, I realized why it is such a great
> >movie!  It has four cast members from Twin Peaks in it.  Can anybody
> >name them?    

Miguel Ferrer, Ray Wise, The fellow who plays Andrew Packard...

Who's the fourth?

And what does `I'll buy that for a buck!' mean?

    ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
            "E se non ho chi m'oda.  Parlo d'amor con me!"            
    Cherubino --- University of Pennsylvania --- shiau@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
    ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
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Last scene kwh@fas.ri.cmu.edu (Kevin Hartmann) 1991-03-04 11:40
I'm not sure if I've seen all the Twin Peaks there are
to be seen.   The last episode that I saw ended with the 
ol' "let's bring back BOB and the dwarf, kill Josie, put
her in a drawer knob, sit back and see how many people 
complain that we're ending the series" scene. 

Is there another episode or two after this that I missed?

Thanks,
Kevin Hartmann
[src]
Write in to save the show! dlittlej@beach.csulb.edu (Darren Littlejohn) 1991-03-04 12:17
From: dlittlej@beach.csulb.edu (Darren Littlejohn)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin.peaks
Subject: Write in to save TP!
Distribution: world
Organization: Cal State Long Beach




Here is the address to write in: (too bad it's not email)
ABC-TV
CH 7
4151 Prospect Ave.
Los Angeles, Ca.
90027
Do it now! The show could be moved to wednesdays, another network, or the
Twilight Zone!
[src]
Waltzing Matilda GIOVIN%CIRCE@ecs.umass.edu (Rocky Giovinazzo-write to ABC and save Twin Peaks) 1991-03-04 12:27
In the diary, Laura mentioned a song called Waltzing Matilda
and I was wondering if this is a real song or not.  Has anyone heard of it?
Does anyone know what the music was that played while Leland
and Donna danced and also when Madeline dies?  Is this
Waltzing Matilda?

Rocky
[src]
Re: Waltzing Matilda ramsey@moonshine.llnl.gov (Susanne Ramsey) 1991-03-04 12:41
GIOVIN%CIRCE@ecs.umass.edu (Rocky Giovinazzo-write to ABC and save Twin Peaks) writes:


> >In the diary, Laura mentioned a song called Waltzing Matilda
> >and I was wondering if this is a real song or not.  Has anyone heard of it?
> >Does anyone know what the music was that played while Leland
> >and Donna danced and also when Madeline dies?  Is this
> >Waltzing Matilda?

> >Rocky

Yes.... Waltzing Matilda is a real song..  Let's see from what I can remember
it originated in Australia, I believe during the 1800's.  Sorry I can only 
remember the following 

Waltzing Matilda
Waltzing Matilda
Oh you'll come a waltzing Matilda with me


Come on, some of you MUST know this and can finish it out...

Cheers
Susanne
--
  .^.^.  Susanne Barbera-Ramsey     Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
 . o o . 7000 East Avenue L-630  |  (415) 423-9530
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Excuse the repetition... ieevlsi2@ming.cs.montana.edu (VLSI) 1991-03-04 13:35
Hi,
Does anyone know, definitively, what time of day and what day
the next TP will be aired (next, to me, means the one after Josie in
the drawer knob.)

Thanks!
[src]
Re: Dream Sequence Question bobk@hpscdc.scd.hp.com (Bob Kelley) 1991-03-04 14:09
Diary!  Diary!
[src]
Re: Owl In Dream bobk@hpscdc.scd.hp.com (Bob Kelley) 1991-03-04 14:23
I had a Laura Palmer / Bob dream a couple months ago.  I was in
the morgue with Laura's dead body when she opened her eyes and sat
up.  She was still blue, but she looked straight at me and gave me
one of those BOB creepy smiles that took about 5 seconds to form. 

Then she started to creep toward me with that malevolent grin.

That's when I woke up.  Freaked me out!
[src]
Re: COOP chapter in South Bay? bobk@hpscdc.scd.hp.com (Bob Kelley) 1991-03-04 14:29
I too would like to join the Silicon Valley (SOuthEast Bay too) COOP!
If no one has started it -- Start it Lynn.  I'll be member #2.

"Through the Darkness of Futures past,
the magician longs to see,
Twin Peaks on Wednesday night."

Regards,
Bob Kelley
(408)553-2449

[src]
Re: ratings and such smn@aristotle.JPL.NASA.gov (Sarah McCord Nabee) 1991-03-04 14:33
In article <2162@novavax.UUCP>, brookshe@novavax.UUCP (leighton A. Brooks) writes:
> > 
> > I don't know if this has already been said, but in the letter-
> > writing/fax campaign to save twin peaks, I hope it is mentioned
> > that Twin Peaks did pick up two emmy's and a grammy.

I know about the grammy for the opening theme, but what were the emmy's for?
[src]
Re: Waltzing Matilda mihaych@ccu.umanitoba.ca (James Gordon Mihaychuk) 1991-03-04 14:38
and blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah the billybong,
You'll come a-waltzing Matilda with meeeeee.
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"Mr. Mulroney, you've done everything in your power to destroy Canada--what's
next for you?" Lyin' Brian: "I'M GOIN' TO DISNEYLAND!" // "It is the mis-
direction of intellectual effort that is our greatest tragedy"-D. Suzuki
-James G. Mihaychuk, c/o OPUS, Department of Physics, University of Manitoba-
[src]
waltzing matilda v075nkds@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Julie A Moran) 1991-03-04 15:27
The song "Waltzing Matilda" was recently re-recorded by the Irish 
band The Pogues, perhaps three years ago. I can't remember the name
of the album the song appeared on, but it was a very good version
of the song. Any of The Pogues albums are a good investment. 
Depending on the date of the entry in the diary, it's likely Laura
was writing about this version.

BYW: Who is it that mail should be addressed to at ABC?
[src]
Symobls/motifs in the "^Twin Peaks^" Universe 5th Update 6600koga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Jeffrey Koga) 1991-03-04 15:32
**SPOILERS ABOUND FOR THOSE HERE AND IN EUROPE**

Background: This list was first done as a tongue-in-cheek
joke by yours truly, but is now a "canonical" listing of
the legitimate and not-so-legitimate things that occur
frequently in the "^Twin Peaks^" TV show.

Also available: "The 12 Days of Christmas" a la "^Twin Peaks^"
 
Well, here's the fifth version of this list.
Special thanks go to the following people for contributing:
  Linda Birmingham (twice), Scott L. Vandenberg,
  Ann Hodgins, Jeanne Stapleton, Bradford H. Needham,
  Palmer Davis, "Arachnid", Greg M. Brown, Eric Daniels,
  Ron Sires, Bill Downing, "Scratch", "Rocky",
  Kathleen Hunt, Bob Hettmansperger, and John Locke.


Symbols/motifs in the "^Twin Peaks^" Universe
(last updated 3/4/91, 2/28/91, 2/19/91, 2/8/91, and whenever
 before that in January):

  1.  Sex, comedy, violence, and rock 'n roll

  2.  Ceiling fan in the Palmer home

  3.  Traffic light

  4.  "Invitation to Love" soap opera

  5.  Waterfall outside The Great Northern Inn

  6.  Sprinkler on the Sheriff's Office ceiling

  7.  Coffee, donuts, and cherry pie

  8.  Owls

  9.  Psychic visions

 10.  Trees/forest/wood:
Forest in/outside Twin Peaks,
Log Lady's log,
Bookhouse Boys patch, and
Doorknob on drawer in The Great Northern Inn

 11.  Dead people:
Laura Palmer,
Bernard/Jacque/Jean Renault,
Blackie O'Reilly,
Madeleine Ferguson,
Emory Bates,
Leland Palmer,
Eric Powell (dead drifter),
Jeffery Marsh,
Malcolm Sloan (Evelyn Marsh's lover),
Jonathan Kumagi (assistant to Thomas Eckhardt),
Thomas Eckhardt, and
Josie Packard

Also the Log Lady's husband (see #15), and
little Nicky's parents.

 12.  Full/half moon

 13.  Glasses/sunglasses:
Doctor Jacoby,
Madeleine Ferguson,
Laura Palmer/Donna Hayward, 
        Evelyn Marsh, and
Thomas Eckhardt

 14.  Cigarette/cigar smoking:
Benjamin Horne,
Shelley/Leo Johnson,
Bobby Briggs,
Josie Packard,
Donna Hayward, and
Evelyn Marsh

 15.  Fire:
Log Lady's husband died in a forest fire,
"Fire, walk with me",
Packard sawmill fire, and
The fire from the fireplace at the Great Northern
          lobby reflecting off Thomas Eckhardt's sunglasses 

 16.  White horse:
"General" Benjamin Horne's Civil War piece(s), and
Laura Palmer's pony (Troy) that was seen by Sarah
  Palmer right before BOB killed Madeleine Ferguson

 17.  Light and dark:
White/Black Lodge, and
Chess pieces

 18.  Light fixtures/lightbulbs on the ceiling:
Sheriff's Office light when Eric Powell is found, &
Leo/Shelley Johnson's ceiling light when Leo awakens

 19.  Animal heads:
Mounted deer head in the Sheriff's office with the
  sign "The Buck Stopped Here"
Deer (?) head that's on the table when Sheriff
  Truman and Agent Cooper bring in Laura Palmer's
  safety deposit box,
The assortment of trophys in the den (?) in
  Pete/Catherine Martell's home, 
The deer (?) head next to Eric Powell, and
The cooked pig head that Josie serves as the main
  course in the dinner to Catherine Martell and
    Thomas Eckhardt

 20.  Hank's domino

 21.  Chess/chess pieces

 22.  Twins/opposites:
Agent Cooper/Windham Earle,
Laura Palmer/Madeleine Ferguson,
Bernard/Jacque Renault, 
Mike/Bob:
  Mike Nelson (Nadine Hurley's crush)/Bobby Briggs,
  Mike (the OAM)/Bob Lydecker (vet),
  Mike (spirit inside OAM)/Killer BOB)
The Giant/Little Man from Another Place

 23.  "Family trios" (warped versions on Daddy/Mommy/Child): 
Bobby Briggs/Shelley Johnson/Leo Johnson,
(Dick Tremayne/Andy)/Lucy Moran/Nicky,
"Big" Ed Hurley/Norma Jennings/Nadine
  Hurley,
Bobby Briggs/Audrey Horne/Benjamin Horne,
Malcolm/Evelyn Marsh/James Hurley, and
(Pete Martell/Andrew Packard/Thomas Eckhardt)/
  Catherine Martell/Josie Packard

 24.  The color brown

 25.  Lookalikes (characters who physically resemble each
      other):
Benjamin Horne/Leland Palmer,
Audrey Horne/Donna Hayward, and
Laura Palmer/Madeleine Ferguson

 26.  Inverse radiation symbol:
Major Brigg's neck

 27.  Red curtains in various dreams/visions/places:
Agent Cooper's first dream sequence with the Little
  Man from Another Place, and
Jacque Renault's log cabin


Corrections/additions/comments/questions would be most
appreciated, preferably via E-mail, not by posting.
--
Jeff "Koganuts" Koga   1) "The 'Star Wars' Trilogy" by John Williams
Internet: 6600koga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu  2) "^TP^" by Angelo Baladamenti 
Bitnet: 6600koga@ucsbuxa.bitnet      3)  "STII:TWoK" by James Horner
Recommended CDs:        4) "Bugs Bunny on Broadway" by Carl Stalling
[src]
Re: Robocop and Twin Peaks rce@redwood05.cray.com (Rhea Engler) 1991-03-04 15:33
In article <0bob1dG00WBK40rVhm@andrew.cmu.edu> km46+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ken Miller) writes:
> >
> >   After watching Robocop last night, I realized why it is such a great
> >movie!  It has four cast members from Twin Peaks in it.  Can anybody
> >name them?    
> >
> >    Also during a commercial, I saw an ad for Teenage Mutant Ninja
> >Turtles II: The Secret of the Ooze.  I saw David Warner (Thomas Eckhard)
> >name in the credits for the movie


I only saw three:

Leland Palmer (Ray Wise) -- one of the bad guys
Albert (Miguel Ferrar)   -- the "creator" of Robocop
Andrew Packard -- the No. 1 man of the corporation


Who else?!
[src]
Re: ratings and such cbullin@athena.mit.edu (Carrie L Bullington) 1991-03-04 16:28
In article <1991Mar4.223354.14525@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> smn@aristotle.JPL.NASA.gov (Sarah McCord Nabee) writes:
> >In article <2162@novavax.UUCP>, brookshe@novavax.UUCP (leighton A. Brooks) writes:
>> >> 
>> >> I don't know if this has already been said, but in the letter-
>> >> writing/fax campaign to save twin peaks, I hope it is mentioned
>> >> that Twin Peaks did pick up two emmy's and a grammy.
> >
> >I know about the grammy for the opening theme, but what were the emmy's for?

As I remember, the show picked up two Emmys for costume and scene
design (I THINK -- please, if someone knows for sure, help
me out).  Kyle MacLachlan and Piper Laurie received
Golden Globe awards for their acting (did the show itself
win, too?  How quickly I forget!)
[src]
Re: Another Survey giron@husc8.harvard.edu (Luis Giron) 1991-03-04 18:11
Thanks to all the people who sent in ballots; I think I'll
keep collection them for about another week.  If you haven't sent 
in your ballot, a reminder that you are voting for your three
favorite Twin Peaks episodes.  You are given ten points to allot,
however you want among the three.  
Here is an example from one person's response:

Number  Points  Descr.
-------------------------------------------
#1002   5       One Eyed Jack's visit, dream sequence
#1      4       Pilot
#2001   1       First Episode, second season    

Look forward to hearing from all of you!

Sini Gandhi
giron@husc9.harvard.edu
[src]
Re: Waltzing Matilda jacobw@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jacob S Weinstein) 1991-03-04 18:18
In article <BDE8E704A0202E4F@UMAECS> GIOVIN%CIRCE@ecs.umass.edu (Rocky Giovinazzo-write to ABC and save Twin Peaks) writes:
> >
> >In the diary, Laura mentioned a song called Waltzing Matilda
> >and I was wondering if this is a real song or not.  Has anyone heard of it?

Waltzing Matilda is indeed a real song. I believe it's
australian, although it might just be associated with Australia. The
lyrics of it that I remember are:
"Waltzing Matilda, Waltzing Matilda. She'll come a-waltzing in
with me. And they sang as they waltzed," da da da da da da da dum,
"Waltzing Matilda" da da dum.
You get the idea.


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Re: Waltzing Matilda sam@sonia.math.ucla.edu (Sam Needham) 1991-03-04 18:59
In article <BDE8E704A0202E4F@UMAECS> GIOVIN%CIRCE@ecs.umass.edu (Rocky Giovinazzo-write to ABC and save Twin Peaks) writes:
> >
> >In the diary, Laura mentioned a song called Waltzing Matilda
> >and I was wondering if this is a real song or not.  Has anyone heard of it?
> >Does anyone know what the music was that played while Leland
> >and Donna danced and also when Madeline dies?  Is this
> >Waltzing Matilda?
> >
> >Rocky

Easy. Can you tell me what Laura said about it? ( and no, it hasn't
been played on TP ).

WM is perhaps the most famous Australian folk/popular song. Words by
A.B. ("Banjo") Paterson ( who also wrote the poem "The Man From Snowy
River" with which the movie has nothing in common except the title ).
Music - "traditional".
The second most popular folk song, and the most recorded, is Eric Bogle's
"And the Band Played Waltzing Mathilda", so you can see how important WM is.

It's a ballad about a swagman - these days you'd call him a 'homeless person' -
and his death, resisting arrest for the crime of sheep-theft. We nearly made
it the national anthem. And yes - there's a ghost in it. 

I'm incredibly tempted to post the words but it just doesn't seem relevant
enough!

Sam - an aussie in LA

[ .sig is from a Bushwacker's Band album called "And the Band Played 
Waltzing Mathilda" which I recommend heartily to anyone who wants to hear
WM and Bogle's song - Sam]
Farewell to your bricks and mortar, farewell to your dirty lime
Farewell to your gangway and your gangplanks and to hell with your overtime
For the good ship Ragamuffin, she's lying at the quay
For to take old Pat with a shovel on his back to the shores of Botany Bay.
[src]
Re: A couple of clues I missed the first time boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) 1991-03-04 19:32
In article <1991Mar3.143504.1066@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu>, jak@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu writes...

} In on final complaint, here in Iowa City last Saturday, in the Twin Peaks
} timeslot, the local ABC station showed an episode of Magnum, P.I.. Great.
} They dump Twin Peaks cuz they don't like the ratings, and then rerun a show
} that has been off the air for a few years. ABC. Network of Mental Giants.

Ah, that was your local affiliate, *not* ABC.

-- "If I haven't explained Jerry, it's because he really can't be explained." -- Dan'l Danehy-Oakes --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM
[src]
Waltzing Matilda archao@uniwa.uwa.oz (Arshad Omari) 1991-03-04 21:36
Let's put this topic out of its misery :

Waltzing Matilda is a REAL song.  In fact for those of you with
such limited general knowledge as demonstrated by responses to
this subject, it WAS the Australian National Anthem.  It has
since been replaced as the National Anthem by Advance Australia
Fair.

Arshad Omari
(posting this from a very large island in the southern hemisphere which
does not have kangaroos jumping in the streets but is unfortunately
invisible to the north american psyche....are we invisible or what!!!)
[src]
More on the ultimate Twin Peaks experience emmanuel@well.sf.ca.us (Emmanuel Goldstein) 1991-03-05 01:20
 couple of weeks ago, I mentioned that I was going to start watching
Twin Peaks in real time, seeing each episode on the DAY that it was
intended to take place on. I've been doing this for four days now
and I find it to be very enlightening. Today (Monday) I witnessed
Laura's funeral. Albert and his team arrived yesterday, cousin
Maddy arrived today. You don't realize it watching from week to week
but there is a real pace to this show. I've been trying to
keep track of where everybody is at what time. The only inconsistency
I've seen so far is Catherine asking her husband yesterday (Sunday)
what that FBI man wanted "today". Of course, the FBI man had been
there the previous day (Saturday). I suspect they filmed that
scene before realizing it was going to go in a different episode.

I heartily recommend seeing the show this way especially now that
it's that time of year (late February, early March). You can even
start this Friday and get a sense of the flow. The timeline posted
in alt.tv.twin-peaks is especially valuable for this.

emmanuel@well.sf.ca.us
:
[src]
Re: Josie trapped in drawer knob dkrause@orion.oac.uci.edu (Doug Krause) 1991-03-05 02:44
#>#   *However, if Bob put Harry into the drawer and Josie was still in the knob,
#>#   *I suppose you could say that she's forever in his drawers! (hee hee). I
#>#   *hope these jokes don't go against anyone's grain! ;-D
#>#
#>#Yes, it wood be interesting.  Might keep viewers from becoming board.
#>#But, now I guess we'll just have to pine away. 
#>
#>Well fir crying out loud.  I saw it coming, it's started again.
#
#Now cut that out! Ya'll are barking up the wrong tree! I'll get sycamore
#of this stuff! So leaf it alone, oakay?

Saps.
[src]
Re: Map of TP richardh@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Richard Hancock) 1991-03-05 04:24
/ hpopd:alt.tv.twin-peaks / davidson@ac.dal.ca /  4:46 pm  Mar  3, 1991 /

> > Has anyone been able to compile a map of Twin Peaks? I realise the geographic
> > references given in the show are limited but it may be possible.

I remember seeing a TP "map" in Newsweek slightly before TP began in the US.
I'm afraid I can't remember if it was meant to be an accurate map.

Richard.
"Bicunya? Hispanic causing panic."
[src]
Re: The owls are not what they seem richardh@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Richard Hancock) 1991-03-05 04:30
/ hpopd:alt.tv.twin-peaks / boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) /  2:09 am  Mar  4, 1991 /

> > The Giant never claimed that any of the things he mentioned were prophecies,
> > only true statements. He said them to Coop only so that when Coop found
> > them to be true independently, Coop would be able to trust whatever else
> > the Giant might have to tell him.

Please forgive my ignorance but I thought that the Giant implied, in his
conversations with Cooper, that he was there to help Cooper. I assumed the
3/4 statements were actually clues ("Leo locked inside a hungry horse" was
certainly important) and not simply a means of establishing the Giant's
bona fides.

Richard.
"Bicunya? 1.26% of the population of the UK is of Hispanic origin."
[src]
Economist Mar0291 (WKLP spoiler) burns@endor.uucp (John Burns) 1991-03-05 06:10
Excerpt from the article "Sloping off" in the Economist (March 2, 1991):

Sloping off

But the failure of "Twin Peaks" has been too spectacular (its most 
recent rating placed it 85th out of 89 network shows) to be blamed on 
bad scheduling. In fact, the second season of "Twin Peaks" has been much
inferior to the first.The first warning sign came when Mr Lynch and his
partner, Mark Frost, failed to resolve the show's central theme, "Who 
Killed Laura Palmer?" before the three-month summer break.  By the time 
the programme resumed last autumn, much of the tension that had 
surrounded Miss Palmer's murder had faded away.

Making matters worse, the show took a marked turn towards the fantastic.
Mr Lynch and Mr Frost had previously done a brilliant job of parodying a
number of television and film genres--the soap-opera, the mystery, film
noir--without sacrificing the elements of each that gave them their 
suspense.  Their flair for the surreal and the genuinely scary kept the 
show's tone too ominous to be dismissed as camp.  But when the programme
shifted from the hyper-real to the super-natural--coded radio signals 
from space, Laura's killer turning out to have been an elusive spirit 
who inhabited her father's body--it quickly became disappointingly 
silly.

---

I agree with the above, except weren't the signals FROM Earth TO space?
John A. Burns (burns@das.harvard.edu, burns@huche1.bitnet)
"Where there's no sense, there's no feeling."
[src]
Re: waltzing matilda smith@theory.cs.cmu.edu (Sean Smith) 1991-03-05 06:29
In article <63166@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> v075nkds@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
> >The song "Waltzing Matilda" was recently re-recorded by the Irish 
> >band The Pogues, perhaps three years ago. 

Not quite...

``Waltzing Matilda'' is an old (possibly traditional?) Australian song,
played at public gatherings like parades and Rotary Club meetings.  (Check
out the film _The Coca-Cola Kid_.)  Someone from Oz could probably clarify
this.

Recently (in the last twenty years or so) folksinger Eric Bogle wrote an
antiwar song called ``And the Band Played `Waltzing Matilda' ''---about the
bitterness a crippled soldier feels upon his homecoming.  This is the song
covered by the Pogues on their album _Rum, Sodomy, and the Lash_.  I don't
remember which Eric Bogle album the original is on, but you might want to
look for it---it has a much different feel from the Pogues.

There are some people who would also take issue with your claim that the
Pogues are Irish, but I won't touch that...

--Sean

Obligatory TP content: I wrote my letter!
[src]
Quantum Leap's 500,000 admin@mrmarx.msc.com (Vicky Sailer) 1991-03-05 07:33
Lines: 18

In USA TODAY (Tuesday, March 5th), in it's big Quantum Leap promo (which
I'm sure all of us will get a copy of one way or another, so I won't repeat
the whole thing here), NBC said that they estimate they received 500,000
                                                                 ^^^^^^^
letters from Quantum Leap fans asking that they move Quantum Leap.    

**********************WEDNESDAY IS QUANTUM LEAP DAY!!!!*******************
Vicky Sailer, MainStream Software Corporation, Waltham, MA
mrmarx.msc.com.admin
"Oh boy!"  "I'm a mommie!" Sam Beckett, QUANTUM LEAP  
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Re: Waltzing Matilda twain@blake.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin) 1991-03-05 09:43
In article <1991Mar5.025921.9116@math.ucla.edu> sam@math.ucla.edu (Sam Needham) writes:
> >In article <BDE8E704A0202E4F@UMAECS> GIOVIN%CIRCE@ecs.umass.edu (Rocky Giovinazzo-write to ABC and save Twin Peaks) writes:
>> >>
>> >>In the diary, Laura mentioned a song called Waltzing Matilda
>> >>and I was wondering if this is a real song or not.  Has anyone heard of it?
> >

[interesting background to the song deleted]
> >I'm incredibly tempted to post the words but it just doesn't seem relevant
> >enough!
> >
> >Sam - an aussie in LA


Oh, go ahead, or dozens of people will continue to post 
"Dah-dah-dah-dah-dah
Dah-dah-dah-dah-dah
You'll come a-waltizing, Matilda, with me" 
for the next week. 

Besides, the song is full of slang unique to Australia, and 
it's a cool song. 

--Barbara 








--
Barbara HlavinWe have to believe in Free Will, 
twain@blake.acs.washington.eduwe've got no choice. 
-Isaac Bashevis Singer
[src]
Re: Josie trapped in drawer knob bskendig@light.Princeton.EDU (Brian Kendig) 1991-03-05 11:14
In article <27D3767F.25777@orion.oac.uci.edu> dkrause@orion.oac.uci.edu (Doug Krause) writes:
> >#>#   *However, if Bob put Harry into the drawer and Josie was still in the knob,
> >#>#   *I suppose you could say that she's forever in his drawers! (hee hee). I
> >#>#   *hope these jokes don't go against anyone's grain! ;-D
> >#>#
> >#>#Yes, it wood be interesting.  Might keep viewers from becoming board.
> >#>#But, now I guess we'll just have to pine away. 
> >#>
> >#>Well fir crying out loud.  I saw it coming, it's started again.
> >#
> >#Now cut that out! Ya'll are barking up the wrong tree! I'll get sycamore
> >#of this stuff! So leaf it alone, oakay?
> >
> >Saps.

Hey!  He was aspen for it!  It's interesting to see the discussion
branch into areas such as this, even if people are starting to go out
on a limb with their ideas.  I wood knot complain.

Perhaps Josie is actually Killer Knob?

     << Brian >>

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Saturday Night Dead jlschwar@athena.mit.edu (Jeffrey L Schwartz) 1991-03-05 11:30
The following article appears in the March 8 issue of Entertainment.
Typed without permission.

Saturday Night Dead

"We're in trouble, and we need help."  With those words, spoken at a press
conference on the set of the Great Northern Hotel, David Lynch acknowledged
the grim news: Twin Peaks, the critically acclaimed, anemically rated prime-
time soap he created with Mark Frost, is out of business, and only public 
support can save it from cancellation.  On Feb. 15, ABC suspended Peaks from its
lineup, and said that it would air this season's six remaining episodes at
an unspecified date.  Such a move usually portends doom for a series, so
Lynch and Frost are entreating fans to write to entertainment chief Robert
Iger and lobby ABC for a new time slot--preferably Wednesdays at 10 p.m., where
Equal Justice now airs.  "Our audience doesn't stay home on Saturdays," says
Frost.  "We'd like to be on a week night--that gives people a chance to talk
about it the next day at the office."

Fans have reacted swiftly and, of course, eccentrically.  In Washington, D.C.,
a rally sponsored by the ad-hoc committee COOP (Citizens Opposing the 
Offing of Peaks) drew over 200 people, many of them bearing owls, logs, eye
patches, and cherry pies; according to organizer H. Keith Poston, several
fans dressed in Saran Wrap as a sartorial tribute to the late Laura Palmer.
Since then, COOP's ranks have swelled to 5000 in seven cities.  Peaks' 
imperiled status has also roused Viewers for Quality Television, the
organization that aided successful write-in efforts to save Cagney & Lacey
and Designing Women.  On Feb. 21, the group urged ABC to give the series
"more time to spin its unique web" and offered to assist fans in a 
save-the-show campaign. 

Last fall, Twin Peaks performed solidly on Saturdays--the episode that revealed
Laura's murderer ranked 44th in the Nielsens--but when the mystery ended,
producer-writer Harley Peyton admits, Peaks hit a mild creative slump
("We couldn't just have another homicidal maniac arrive in town the next day")
and after several preemptions, ratings plummeted.  When Peaks returns, a 
special may recap current plotlines, and Lynch will direct the season's
final hour--a showdown between Cooper and psychotic ex-FBI agen Windom
Earle("Our cross between Hannibal Lecter and Soupy Sales," says Peyton) that ends
with a "phenomenal cliff-hanger.

If ABC cancels Twin Peaks, Lynch and Frost may sell the series to another
network or seek foreign financing; the show is already an enormous hit in 
England, Italy, and spain.  In any even, Lynch will remain busy.  This
spring, he'll cowrite and direct On the Air, a "completely wacko" ABC
comedy pilot about television's early days, and French businessman Francis
Bouygues has agreed to provide $70 million for Lynch's next three films.

Lynch urges viewers to write to Iger (some fans have already sent him stale
doughnuts) at 2040 Avenue of the Stars, Century City, Calif. 90067.
"If this show is going to go on," he says, "people have got to write in.
I'm sure Bob would love to hear from you."

Please excuse any typos; I've got to run to class!

--Jeff Schwartz
[src]
Kyle Maclahan interview on SF tv rguion@ralph.mips.com (Richard Guion) 1991-03-05 11:47
Kyle Machlahan (Secret Agent Cooper on Twin Peaks) was interviewed
this morning on the AM San Francisco program on Ch. 2.  He was being
interviewed about his role in the Doors movie, but I caught it just as he
was being asked about TP.

The interviewer asked him if there was, at this point in the remaining 
unaired six episodes, a resolution to the series.  Kyle said that as they were
written intending for the show to continue, the last shows were open
ended and the viewers might be left hanging forever.

He was then asked why TP was cancelled.  He gave a very frank answer
composed of 2 points:  One which he blamed ABC for putting the program
on Saturday nights.  The other one he blamed Lynch and Frost for not getting
more involved in the series.  He said the actors signed on to do a Lynch/Frost
production, but they left it in the hands of other people this year and went
off to do other projects.

Finally, he was asked about his feelings, if he would like to see Twin Peaks
continue.  He said that he would if they could restore the quality that was
there originally (which I take to mean the first season of shows).  He also said
that he loved playing the character (Cooper) and that he also liked the fine
directors that they had working on Twin Peaks this year.  But if they could
not bring back the quality or if Lynch/Frost did not get more involved, he
would just as soon not go on and savor the memories of the last 2 seasons of
Twin Peaks.

I sure do hope everyone here who reads this newsgroup is writing to ABC
asking them to bring back Twin Peaks.  I think that the networks DO listen
to the letters, especially if there are lots of them, as you can see by the
Quantam Leap Ad on NBC about the viewer mail asking that QL be
restored to Wed. nights again.

-- Richard Guion ---------------------------- "This product has | rguion@ralph.mips.COM | the official NINTENDO seal of ---------------------------- disapproval."
[src]
TP's return? alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) 1991-03-05 12:07
Has anyone spotted Twin Peaks in an upcoming tv guide?
 
I need solid proof of TP's return to quell my rising anxiety. 
 
a.h.
[src]
Re: Waltzing Matilda tdwj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu 1991-03-05 12:30
rites:
GIOVIN%CIRCE@ecs.umass.edu (Rocky Giovinazzo-write to ABC and save Twin Peaks)
[src]
Re: Last scene tdwj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu 1991-03-05 12:32
In article <12210@pt.cs.cmu.edu>,
kwh@fas.ri.cmu.edu (Kevin Hartmann) writes:
> > I'm not sure if I've seen all the Twin Peaks there are
> > to be seen.   The last episode that I saw ended with the
> > ol' "let's bring back BOB and the dwarf, kill Josie, put
> > her in a drawer knob, sit back and see how many people
> > complain that we're ending the series" scene.
> >
> > Is there another episode or two after this that I missed?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kevin Hartmann

There was just one more so far.  A summary of 2017 was made and posted
earlier.

-mfr
[src]
ATTN ALL PEAKS FANS: COOP NEEDS YOU FRIDAY! czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Robert D. Cappel...you can call me The Bob) 1991-03-05 13:34
ATTN ALL PEAKS FANS: COOP NEEDS YOU FRIDAY!

Before I begin the purpose of this memo, anyone who takes part in this MUST
do two things:

1)  Try their best to NOT let ABC in on the following plan.  It could collapse
    as a result.   

2)  You MUST respond to me, Bob Cappel, at one of the following email
    addresses and tell me that you did this.
    
    czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu
    cappel@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu


Finally, the purpose of this memo.  

We need your help this Friday, March 8th.  Friday will be the first organized
and synchronized COOP attempt at activism in support of Twin Peaks.  We need
your help and it will only take a moment of your time.

On Thursday, March 7, prepare yet another letter of protest fo FAX to BOB
Iger, ABC Entertainment President.  Make it polite, to the point, and identify
yourself as an active member of COOP.  Once drafted,save it till Friday.

On Friday, at 12:30 EST (11:30 CST, 10:30 MST, 9:30 PST) we begin.  At that
moment and not a moment sooner please call one of the numbers below to protest
the cancellation of Peaks.  Ask for BOB Iger.  You won't get through to him,
but convey your message of protest to the receptionist.  Be polite, brief,
identify yourself as a member of COOP, identify your city and state, and
get off the telephone.  Call only once.  Following your call, FAX
your letter to one of the FAX numbers below.

Fo those who cannot get through in LA, call the Audience Relations/NYC number
listed below.  If  at all possible, get through to LA, but don't give up
simply because you could not get through.

At 2:00 pm EST (1:00 CST, 12:00 MST, 11:00 PST) we end.  At that moment, and
not a moment later, please stop calling ABC.  Our object is to politely tie
up the ABC Entertainment Division with our concerns.  The more precision we
apply to our actions, the more daunting they become.

Friday's action is an excercise, a drill.  We want to see just what computer
wise Twin Peaks fans can do.  All of us in COOP believe that the INTERNET
will play a key role in our campaign, if not lead it.  As our vanguard, we
trust you will participate on Friday.

Once again, please write me, or respond to this note after you have made
your call and sent your FAX.  The reason for this is so we may send an
accurate accounting of how many took place to the press.

Here are the numbers:

VOICE
-----

General Line         213/557-7777
BOB Iger             213/557-6400
Dir, Prog.           213/557-6516
VP, Prime Time Prog. 213/557-6516
VP, Prime Time Prog. 213/557-6512

NYC, Aud Rel         212/456-7478

FAX
---

213/557-7160
213/557-7170
212/456-7450


Thanks everyone!   LET'S DO IT!!!!!!!!!!

Bob "BOB" Cappel
czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa
cappel@umaxc.weeg.uiowa


PS.  This has been posted to GEnie, Prodigy, Compuserve and America Online.









--
Robert D. Cappel, Iowa City,IA  ||
aka "The Bob"                   ||"All we are saying, is give peace a chance!"
cappel@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu     ||                    --John Lennon
czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu     ||
[src]
Re: my article was accepted! mrm@puffin.Eng.Sun.COM (Marianne Mueller) 1991-03-05 14:03
Well so NEXT time you're going to lead the way in a "collaborative"
article that the net population writes?

I mean, if not now, then when?  (for multimedia, participatory
writing, etc.)
[src]
Regarding Post #11352 keb3@po.CWRU.Edu (Keith E. Bitely) 1991-03-05 14:19
It sounds like a good idea to show the huge amount of support for Twin Peaks.
However, there are several problems.  You called the attention of all
"Twin Peaks" fans.  However, some of us are not in a chapter of COOP
(such as I, in Cleveland)  Also, some of us do not have access to a fax 
machine.  However, I, for one, would like to participate in a massive effort
to save Twin Peaks.  I have written my letter, but is there something I, and
other's in my similar situation, could do to be involved?

Yours,
Keith
-- Dale, Harry, Shelley, Bobby, Benjamin, Donna, Audrey, Will, Norma, James, Ed, Pete, Leland, Josie, Catherine, Leo, Andy, Hawk, Madeleine, Laura, Lawrence, Sarah, Lucy, Jerry, Hank, Albert, Blackie, Briggs, Betty, Loglady, Mike, Nadine, Eileen, Sylvia, One-armed, dwarf, BOB, Ronette, singer, Johnny, Diane
[src]
Re: Robocop and Twin Peaks phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel) 1991-03-05 15:03
In article <38682@netnews.upenn.edu> shiau@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Cherubino) writes:
> >And what does `I'll buy that for a buck!' mean?

It's a reference to a science-fiction story that takes place in the near
or not-so-near future.  The tag line is from some game show, and is usually
the game show host asking the audience: "Will you buy *that* for a buck?".
Unfortunately, I don't remember the plot, author or name of that particular
story.  The game show was only incidental to the plot, if I remember
correctly.

The implication is that the thing, thought, idea, opinion, or whatever is
worth a little bit, but not much.  It's worth enough to spend a buck on,
but not more.  In the story, the line was considered quite hilarious (at
least by the game show audience -- which was portrayed as being similar
to the audience on "Let's Make a Deal" or "Funniest Home Videos").

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!{hpda,versatc,apollo,ucbcad,uunet}!cadence!phz)
[src]
Re: Map of TP ee52fdn@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (-!**Iron Maiden**!-) 1991-03-05 15:24
In article <59940054@hpopd.pwd.hp.com> richardh@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Richard Hancock) writes:
> >/ hpopd:alt.tv.twin-peaks / davidson@ac.dal.ca /  4:46 pm  Mar  3, 1991 /
>> >> Has anyone been able to compile a map of Twin Peaks? I realise the geographic
>> >> references given in the show are limited but it may be possible.


On that Behind the Scenes: Twin Peaks and Cop Rock, there was a vague map
showing general locations. Don't know of it's validity, though.

ed

-- f3-7r3974rg94gf79-t7fx-97tr-kb79-btr97vr-973tr8c63r8vch9ptv.p;v67ptr7pvt7ptv;p73********************************************************************************* "If you say drink coffee... I drink coffee!" * *~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~** Edwin Nomura * I have no plans to call on you, Clarice, ** enomura@ucsd.edu * the world being more intersting with you in it. * ********************************************************************************4yt7tcy90t780rvbp5ty7;rnlvo7ttr780on8-v6984r7;n97r-38=8b]-7yo;6r'bt08trn97btc;.r
[src]
Re: waltzing matilda jjj@ccadfa.adfa.oz.au (Joni J. Johnson) 1991-03-05 15:47
> >The song "Waltzing Matilda" was recently re-recorded by the Irish 
> >band The Pogues, perhaps three years ago. I can't remember the name
(etc.)

Actually that is not right-the Pogues's song is actually "And the Band Played
Waltzing Mathilda" which is not anything like the real Waltzing Mathilda.
The real Waltzing Mathilda is the unofficial Australian anthem-equivalent to,
say, "My Country 'Tis of Thee".  It's a fairly old song, all about a rover
who steals a sheep and gets caught (there's a bit more than that of course).
The Pogues song is an anti-war song. The title comes from the playing of
Waltzing Mathilda as the ship of troops heads for Gallipoli. Hope that clears
things up.

-- ----------------------------------------------------- The penguin on top of your| jjj@ccadfa.cc.adfa.oz.au| computer will now explode.| "Don't call me dude!" | -----------------------------------------------------
[src]
Waltzing Matilda yerazunis@cthulu.enet.dec.com 1991-03-05 16:38
The tune to Waltzing Matilda goes something like:

G G GG C / B B BBflat A  ...

The tune was also prominently featured in the movie version of
Neville Chute's "On The Beach".  It's very sad, and very beautiful.

[a "waltzing matilda" is what you get when you wrap a cubic foot of
personal belongings in a sheet, tie the sheet to the end of a stick,
sling the stick over your shoulder, and walk away with it]

ob.twinpeaks:  The local cableguide here in Baastin listed Twin Peaks
last Saturday at 10PM.  No dice.  

-Bill                     

Copyright 1991 William S. Yerazunis (aka Crah the Merciless)
All rights reserved, no responsibility taken.

     "Boys, let's get cultured."
[src]
Concerning a Pacific Northwest Chapter Of COOP... halcyon!hikaru@seattleu.edu (Demosthenes) 1991-03-05 17:02
It's ironic that there isn't a Seattle-area chapter of COOP, since this 
is where Twin Peaks was filmed.... Or is there?

I would be thrilled to start one - except as a JUNIOR HIGH student, I 
would have limited time and money resources for it. Sorry - but my grades 
are far more important to me than Peaks. I'd be glad to join - but 
anything I'd do to start a chapter would be ineffectual at best. 

BTW, in the March 8 Entertainment Weekly, there is an article concerning 
COOP...

**************************************************************************
"Mr. BOB, you've killed Theresa Banks,   *                Richard Barrett
 Laura Palmer, Jacques Renault, and      *             18004 146th Ave NE
 Maddy Ferguson. What are you going to   *          Woodinville, WA 98072
 do next?"                               *                (206)487-1312
"I'm going to Disneyland!"               *hikaru%halcyon.uucp@seattleu.edu
**************************************************************************
[src]
Re: HELPING COOP or Regarding Post #11352 czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Chad Zahrt) 1991-03-05 17:38
From article <1991Mar5.221914.22181@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, by keb3@po.CWRU.Edu (Keith E. Bitely):
>
> It sounds like a good idea to show the huge amount of support for Twin Peaks.
> However, there are several problems. You called the attention of all
> "Twin Peaks" fans. However, some of us are not in a chapter of COOP
> (such as I, in Cleveland) Also, some of us do not have access to a fax
> machine. However, I, for one, would like to participate in a massive effort
> to save Twin Peaks. I have written my letter, but is there something I, and
> other's in my similar situation, could do to be involved?
>
> Yours,
> Keith
> --

If you are a Peaks fan you ARE a COOP member, more or less. Some cities
don't have chapters yet because the entire organization is less than 2 weeks
old!!!!! Keith, just start one in Cleveland. I don't think anyone has
as of yet.

As for a fax machine...just go to a Kinko's or some other massive copy
center. They will send a fax for you for $1 or so. Small price for
the show.

If you can't fax...still...PLEASE call during the times mentioned, then
email me so I can keep track. That's how you can get involved!


Long Live Agent Cooper!
Bob BOB Cappel


For more information on starting a local COOP chapter...reply to me or
write to the names mentioned previously!

--
Robert D. Cappel, Iowa City,IA ||
aka "The Bob" ||"All we are saying, is give peace a chance!"
cappel@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu || --John Lennon
czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu ||
[src]
Twin Peaks Archive Information etpma@levels.sait.edu.au 1991-03-05 17:57
I'm sorry about the lack of warning, but the Twin Peaks
archive will be out of action for the next couple of days.

I'm in the process of rationalising servers, and the disk that
the archive was on was moved to a new machine.  I had some 
problems with the transfer, so it's taken a bit longer than 
what I expected.  The archive should be available from the 
8th at its new address of:
  audrey.sait.edu.au [130.220.16.88]

I hope that this won't inconvenience too many people.

Peter Asenstorfer
<peter@audrey.sait.edu.au>
[src]
Survey trends ramos@aludra.usc.edu (Luis Ramos) 1991-03-05 18:20
Keep those survey responses coming. Trends have indicated a lead by
some program shown on FOX, followed not too far behind by an NBC show
and a show from an independent network. Oh, before I forget, I am reminding
those who answered "No, not yet but I plan to" to question 10 not to forget
sending in their letters.

I plan on posting results on Thursday, March 7 (to allow for network latency).
I've included a copy of the questionnaire in case you missed the original 
posting.

Louie  

------------questionnaire starts here------------------------------------

1. What shows do you watch *regularly* during prime time (8:00 pm to 11:00 pm)
   on the non-cable networks (i.e. NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX, etc)? (Quantum Leap
   and other "hiatusized" shows this season are acceptable answers). Note
   that I will assume you watch TP regularly unless you explicitly specify 
   otherwise.

2. Which one of the following best describes you:
   (a) yuppie/professional (i.e. lawyer, stock broker, company executive, 
       doctor, etc.)
   (b) student (starving or not)
   (c) academe dude (i.e. professor, researcher, PhDs, etc.)
   (d) alien from another place
   (e) others, please specify _________________

3. What best describes the locale that you live in?
   (a) urban place (i.e. major city)
   (b) highly industrial place with lots of factories
   (c) highly agricultural place with lots of crops
   (d) I live in the woods
   (e) other, please specify __________________

4. How many people watch Twin Peaks from your houshold?

5. Do you own or have access to a VCR for taping shows and watching them
   later?

6. If you are watching a show in real-time (i.e. not from a tape) and a
   commercial comes on, which of the following do you usually do: (please 
   pick the best answer)
   (a) browse through other channels
   (b) watch the commercial
   (c) do something else while commercial is being shown (i.e. take a piss, 
       get a snack, do homework, read book/magazine, talk on the phone, play
       with dog, play with date, call friend in West Coast and give away
       spoilers, etc.)
   (d) turn TV off
   (e) immediately go to the store and purchase the product being advertised
   (f) fall asleep
   (g) others, please specify ________________

7. (Skip this question if you don't have a VCR). If you are watching a 
   taped show from a VCR, what do you usually do when a commercial comes
   on: (please give best answer)
   (a) fast-forward the tape
   (b) watch the commercial
   (c) let the commercial play but do something else (i.e. take a piss, 
       get a snack, do homework, read book/magazine, talk on the phone, play
       with dog, play with date, call friend in West Coast and give away
       spoilers, etc.)
   (d) fast-forward through the show and just watch the commercials
   (e) others, please specify ________________

8. (Skip this question if you don't have access to a VCR). If you fast-forward
   through a commercial, do you have recognition of the product being 
   advertised?

9. Did you buy a copy of Laura's Diary?

10. Did you write to ABC regarding the status of TP?

11. Other comments you would like to make?
[src]
Can we beat the 500,000? ramos@aludra.usc.edu (Luis Ramos) 1991-03-05 19:07
I saw the following article posted in rec.arts.tv.

Louie
[src]
Re: Robocop and Twin Peaks barr@Apple.COM (Ron Barr) 1991-03-05 19:17
phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel) writes:

> >In article <38682@netnews.upenn.edu> shiau@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Cherubino) writes:
>> >>And what does `I'll buy that for a buck!' mean?

> >It's a reference to a science-fiction story that takes place in the near
> >or not-so-near future.  The tag line is from some game show, and is usually
> >the game show host asking the audience: "Will you buy *that* for a buck?".
> >Unfortunately, I don't remember the plot, author or name of that particular
> >story.  The game show was only incidental to the plot, if I remember
> >correctly.

The story is "The Marching Morons" by C.M. Kornbluth, one of the scariest
but most pertinent Sci-Fi stories I've ever read.

Ron
[src]
Re: Robocop and Twin Peaks ejacobs@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (TiffanyTwisted) 1991-03-05 21:40
In article <1991Mar5.230347.5282@cadence.com> phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel) writes:
> >In article <38682@netnews.upenn.edu> shiau@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Cherubino) writes:
>> >>And what does `I'll buy that for a buck!' mean?

it's "I'll buy *that* for a dollar!"


i believe the game show host was a bespectacled ratty
man with large-breasted blondes bouncing around him
squealing at large decibels. 


--
|  Erin K. Jacobs (TiffanyTwisted)    | "He was a hairy bear, he was a scary  |
|  ejacobs@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu       |  bear, we beat a hasty retreat from   |
|  IOWA: You can check out any time   |  his lair -- and then described him   |
|  you like but you can never leave   |  with adjectives!"  -Schoolhouse Rock |
[src]
Re: TV Programming Schedules boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) 1991-03-05 23:27
In article <1991Feb28.204336.2280@cadence.com>, phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel) writes...

}} The only trouble is that they *want* us "hunt through the entire guide"
}} so that we don't fail to see the advertisements that constitute the bulk
}} of the magazine's financial support.

} What advertisements? The only advertisements I recall seeing in TV Guide
} are for programs that I mostly don't want to watch.

So? Ads are ads. The advertisers are paying for space on the pages to
catch the eye of the reader and (hopefully) catch their interest in
watching the advertised show.

Still, I have here in my hand, a copy of the Mar 2-8 issue of TV GUIDE
(Boston edition). Here is a list of the non-TV-program ads in it by page
number (for educational purposes only):

inside front cover  Dodge (2-page spread)
4   Oscar Meyer hot dogs
10  Cheer detergent
12-13  Sears
15  Velveeta
18-19  Procter & Gamble
21  Teddy Grahams
24-25  Franklin Mint
30  Sears
36-37  "Find the Penguin" contest
39  Cool Whip
40  Freedom pantiliners
68  Global Esthetics
73  Sears carpet cleaning
79  Brooks Pharmacy
87  Naval Reserve
insert  Columbia House Video Club
121  Taster's Choice coffee  (also on 157,203)
125  J Adams Pools
insert  BMG Music Service
139  Teddy Grahams
insert  Doubleday Book Club
161  True Value Hardware
187  horoscopes by phone
inside back cover  Kent cigarettes

-- "If I haven't explained Jerry, it's because he really can't be explained." -- Dan'l Danehy-Oakes --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM
[src]
Re: HELPING COOP or Regarding Post #11352 tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) 1991-03-06 02:25
In article <4742@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Chad Zahrt) writes:
> >If you are a Peaks fan you ARE a COOP member, more or less.  

Oh, bull.  I am a big TWIN PEAKS fan, and I think this COOP business is
nonsense.  It's not going to help bring the show back.  It's just an
excuse to form another club.  More power to you, but leave me out.

Every letter ABC gets from an ordinary nonaffiliated citizen is worth
ten fan club form letters.
[src]
Re: Audrey`s Brother. caap15@vaxa.strath.ac.uk (Magenta) 1991-03-06 02:59
In article <00944EAE.1AEA0F00@pip.cc.brandeis.edu>, st872486@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
> > Horses frequently signify death (Ernest Jones, On the Nightmare); I think it 
> > likely in this case that Sarah Palmer was foreseeing Maddy's imminent death.

If you read Lauras secret diary, she mentions that she got a horse for her 
12th (?) birthday, and later on she sets it free.  It runs wild and gets killed.
Maybe that was a ghost?

BTW what _did_ happen to Audreys brother?

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     /|   /|                             | "Ah Sweet Transexual!
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   /  | /  | / \| / \ /_)/|/ | | / \|    | Dark refrains.
\_/   |/   \/\_/|/\_/|\_/ |  |/|/\_/|    | To take that...
                     |                   | Step to the right...."
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Re: Waltzing Matilda dbd@cbnews.att.com (david.b.delorme) 1991-03-06 05:49
In article <BDE8E704A0202E4F@UMAECS> GIOVIN%CIRCE@ecs.umass.edu (Rocky Giovinazzo-write to ABC and save Twin Peaks) writes:
> >
> >In the diary, Laura mentioned a song called Waltzing Matilda
> >and I was wondering if this is a real song or not.  Has anyone heard of it?
> >

There is a version of this song by Tom Waits on the "Small Change"
album.  This version is not call Waltzing Matilda - I believe it's
called Tom Traubert's Blues or something like that. 

David
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TP: Important Notice! broehl@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Bernie Roehl) 1991-03-06 06:10
Those of you boycotting ABC may want to make a half-hour exception tonight;
"Anything But Love" has a short Twin Peaks parody in it!

It's pretty funny... Jamie Lee Curtis as Audrey is a cute idea, and she
does things with her tongue you won't believe...

-- Bernie Roehl, University of Waterloo Electrical Engineering Dept Mail: broehl@sunee.waterloo.edu OR broehl@sunee.UWaterloo.ca BangPath: {allegra,decvax,utzoo,clyde}!watmath!sunee!broehl Voice: (519) 885-1211 x 2607 [work]
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Re: Robocop and Twin Peaks xxmartn@lims02.lerc.nasa.gov 1991-03-06 07:10
In article <1991Mar5.230347.5282@cadence.com>, phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel) writes...
> >In article <38682@netnews.upenn.edu> shiau@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Cherubino) writes:
>> >>And what does `I'll buy that for a buck!' mean?
> > 
> >It's a reference to a science-fiction story that takes place in the near
> >or not-so-near future.  The tag line is from some game show, and is usually
> >the game show host asking the audience: "Will you buy *that* for a buck?".
                                                                    ^^^^^

Acutally, the line goes: "I'd buy THAT for a dollar".....
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Re: Robocop and Twin Peaks mvb@eagle.mit.edu (Mary V. Burke) 1991-03-06 07:30
#>In article <38682@netnews.upenn.edu> shiau@eniac.seas.upenn.edu 
(Cherubino) writes:
#>>And what does `I'll buy that for a buck!' mean?
#> 
#>It's a reference to a science-fiction story that takes place in the near
#>or not-so-near future.  The tag line is from some game show, and is 
usually
#>the game show host asking the audience: "Will you buy *that* for a 
buck?".
#

[somebody identifies C.M. Kornbluth's fine short story "The Marching 
Morons" ]

I believe that in the story the line is "Would you buy it for a quarter?"  
 Supposedly the program is smutty enough to make the time-traveler 
watching it blush.....

MVB
"And now I'm having a wonderful time but I'd rather be whistling in the dark, whistling in the dark"--TMBG
Disclaimer:  Homey don't play dat.
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Re: Economist Mar0291 (WKLP spoiler) jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) 1991-03-06 07:40
In article <5882@husc6.harvard.edu> burns@endor.uucp (John Burns) writes:
> >Excerpt from the article "Sloping off" in the Economist (March 2, 1991):
> >
> >Making matters worse, the show took a marked turn towards the fantastic.
> >Mr Lynch and Mr Frost had previously done a brilliant job of parodying a
> >number of television and film genres--the soap-opera, the mystery, film
> >noir--without sacrificing the elements of each that gave them their
> >suspense.  Their flair for the surreal and the genuinely scary kept the
> >show's tone too ominous to be dismissed as camp.  But when the programme
> >shifted from the hyper-real to the super-natural--coded radio signals
>from space, Laura's killer turning out to have been an elusive spirit
> >who inhabited her father's body--it quickly became disappointingly
> >silly.

I disagree with the above.  (I bet by now everybody was expecting me to do
so, eh?)  I don't think just because a show dares to be rampantly
supernatural it is in any way silly.  Certainly it may cause some of the
more boring parts of the audience (namely, the ones who were watching it
purely as a soap opera) to go away, but to call it "silly" just because you
can't understand it, or it clashes with your belief system, or whatever, is
a pretty arrogant thing to do.(I could sit here all day and bash
economists if I wanted to, too, but that would be outside the purpose of
this newsgroup.)

--
*  From the disk of:  | jms@vanth.uucp     | "Speeding through the
Jim Shaffer, Jr.      | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | universe, Thinking is
37 Brook Street       | uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms  | the best way to travel."
Montgomery, PA 17752  | 72750.2335@compuserve.com    |  (The Moody Blues)
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Re: Leo Johnson gregg@sterling..citib (Gregg Silver) 1991-03-06 07:49
I used to have a list of the actors in Twin Peaks but misplaced it.
I was wondering who plays Leo Johnson?
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Re: Last scene jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) 1991-03-06 08:21
In article <1991Mar5.163206.3173@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> tdwj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
> >In article <12210@pt.cs.cmu.edu>,
> >kwh@fas.ri.cmu.edu (Kevin Hartmann) writes:
>> >> I'm not sure if I've seen all the Twin Peaks there are
>> >> to be seen. The last episode that I saw ended with the
>> >> ol' "let's bring back BOB and the dwarf, kill Josie, put
>> >> her in a drawer knob, sit back and see how many people
>> >> complain that we're ending the series" scene.
>> >>
>> >> Is there another episode or two after this that I missed?
> >
> >There was just one more so far.  A summary of 2017 was made and posted
> >earlier.

WHAT?!(And no, I didn't get the summary here.  Are we in different
universes or something?)

--
*  From the disk of:  | jms@vanth.uucp     | "Speeding through the
Jim Shaffer, Jr.      | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | universe, Thinking is
37 Brook Street       | uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms  | the best way to travel."
Montgomery, PA 17752  | 72750.2335@compuserve.com    |  (The Moody Blues)
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Re: Economist Mar0291 (WKLP spoiler) richardh@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Richard Hancock) 1991-03-06 09:02
/ hpopd:alt.tv.twin-peaks / burns@endor.uucp (John Burns) /  2:10 pm  Mar  5, 1991 /

> > But when the programme
> > shifted from the hyper-real to the super-natural--coded radio signals 
> > from space, Laura's killer turning out to have been an elusive spirit 
> > who inhabited her father's body--it quickly became disappointingly 
> > silly.

> > I agree with the above, except weren't the signals FROM Earth TO space?
> > John A. Burns (burns@das.harvard.edu, burns@huche1.bitnet)

I second that emotion. Wasn't there a general feeling that the supernatural
explanation for WKLP was a disappointment?

Richard.
"Hispanic causing panic."
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Nationwide COOP BBS now open in Iowa! czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Robert D. Cappel...you can call me The Bob) 1991-03-06 09:13
Well....it's still developmental but it's up and running....and it's 
official!

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      /
     /________/ *                                         /\  /\
                                                         /  \/  \
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           Citizens Opposing the Offing of Peaks       /   /      \ 
                   Nationwide BBS
                 
       "All we are saying...is give Peaks a chance..."
 


Open from 11pm to 7am  at 319-337-4856

Eventually will be 24 hours....but not yet.

So...dial this baby up!

--
Robert D. Cappel, Iowa City,IA  ||
aka "The Bob"                   ||"All we are saying, is give peace a chance!"
cappel@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu     ||                    --John Lennon
czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu     ||
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Re: Saturday Night Dead richardh@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Richard Hancock) 1991-03-06 09:32
/ hpopd:alt.tv.twin-peaks / jlschwar@athena.mit.edu (Jeffrey L Schwartz) /  7:30 pm  Mar  5, 1991 /

> > the show is already an enormous hit in 
> > England, Italy, and spain.

Twin Peaks is currently ahead of The Waltons, but is behind The Wonder Years,
though it is 6th on its channel (BBC2).

Richard.
"Waltzing Vicuna"
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Re: Nationwide COOP BBS now open in Iowa! alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) 1991-03-06 09:46
In article <4756@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Robert D. Cappel...you can call me The Bob) writes:
> >
> >                 
> >       "All we are saying...is give Peaks a chance..."
> > 
> >--
> >Robert D. Cappel, Iowa City,IA  ||
> >aka "The Bob"                   ||"All we are saying, is give peace a chance!"
> >cappel@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu     ||                    --John Lennon
> >czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu     ||
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Re: Symobls/motifs in the "^Twin Peaks^" Universe 5th Update 6600koga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Jeffrey Koga) 1991-03-06 11:21
In article <9622@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600koga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Jeffrey Koga) writes:
> >Well, here's the fifth version of this list.

I know it's bad practice to follow up on my own
article, but for technicalities' sake, this is the
4TH update and the fifth version of this list. 
--
Jeff "Koganuts" Koga   1) "The 'Star Wars' Trilogy" by John Williams
Internet: 6600koga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu  2) "^TP^" by Angelo Baladamenti 
Bitnet: 6600koga@ucsbuxa.bitnet      3)  "STII:TWoK" by James Horner
Recommended CDs:        4) "Bugs Bunny on Broadway" by Carl Stalling
[src]
Van Dyke Parks starback@kuling.UUCP (Per Starback) 1991-03-06 11:27
A friend without net access told me he'd seen the musician Van Dyke
Parks listed as an actor in the credits of one TP episode, but he
didn't spot him. What part did he play?
--       "
Per Starback email:starback@kuling.DoCS.UU.SE
Flogstav. 71 C:313
S-752 63  UPPSALA
SWEDENQuote: "Life is but a gamble! Let flipism chart your ramble!"
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COOP v075nkds@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Julie A Moran) 1991-03-06 11:39
I read Mr. Cappel's plans with enthusiasm, and tried to write an
E-Mail letter to him, but my link doesn't recognise his addess, I
would appreciate some E-Mail from you Mr. Cappel on the subject.

Also, I don't believe Buffalo has a chapter of COOP. I know of
several friends who would be enthusiatic about joining one, myself
as well, of course. Is there a northeast branch we in Buffalo could
tag on to?

Julie Moran
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Twin Peaks synopsis steve@orchid.Tymnet.COM (Steve Sandke) 1991-03-06 12:46
Where can I get a synopsis of what's happened on TP since around
November?  I haven't been able to watch it since then.
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Re: Map of TP coufal@piglet.caltech.edu (David Ernest Coufal) 1991-03-06 12:51
In article<59940054@hpopd.pwd.hp.com>richardh@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Richard Hancock) writes:

>> >> Has anyone been able to compile a map of Twin Peaks? I realise the geographic
>> >> references given in the show are limited but it may be possible.

> >I remember seeing a TP "map" in Newsweek slightly before TP began in the US.
> >I'm afraid I can't remember if it was meant to be an accurate map.

In a few months, the Twin Peaks Access Guide will be published. It will
almost certainly contain a map of the TP area.
-- David E. Coufal coufal@owl.caltech.edu SAVE TWIN PEAKS write: Robert Iger, President of ABC Entertainment 2040 Avenue of the Stars, Century City, CA 90067
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Re: Twin Peaks Archive Information ded@kossy.jhuapl.edu (Jigsaw) 1991-03-06 12:54
I don't get alt.tv.twin-peaks so I'll have to ask here.  What is the
story concerning the show?  Cancelled?  Hiatus?  What's going on?

me
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Re: HELPING COOP or Regarding Post #11352 koreth@panarthea.EBay.Sun.COM (Steven Grimm) 1991-03-06 13:10
In <44380213@bfmny0.BFM.COM> tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes:
> >Every letter ABC gets from an ordinary nonaffiliated citizen is worth
> >ten fan club form letters.

Agreed.  If I were reading ABC's mail, I'd stick all the COOP letterhead
mail in a pile off by itself, and figure that some wacko club had gotten
together and held a letter-writing party.  That's not as likely to
indicate a real desire to write letters as the same number of independent
letters.  They can (fairly) safely assume that they're hearing from most
everyone in COOP, but they'll get really nervous if letters from Joe
average viewer start pouring in spontaneously -- how many others are
there who aren't bothering to write?

---
"                                                  !" - Marcel Marceau
Steven GrimmModerator, comp.{sources,binaries}.atari.st
koreth@ebay.sun.com...!sun!ebay!koreth
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TP 3/2/91 (*SPOILERS*) jacobw@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jacob S Weinstein) 1991-03-06 14:14
I can't believe you switched Twin Peaks off just before the best
part of that whole episode! I assume you're the only one, so I'll direct
my question to those who stayed tuned: can you BELIEVE it? They really
had me thinking that Leland had killed Laura, but now to find out it was
Gordon- I don't know. It's a bit much. I did like the scene in which they
explained that the creamed corned kid was the illigetimate son of the
drooling old bellhop in the great northern, and that BOB was the
disposessed spirit of the alien ship that had been sending messages to
its home planet, using the log lady's (now burnt) log as an antenna, and
at the same time sapping all of James' and Donna's emotions to power the
transmitter. All along I thought they were just bad actors, and now it turns out that was part of the plot.
I was pretty pissed that they offed audrey, though-- especially
just before the engagement ring was delivered to her door. I knew Coop
liked her, but to find out that he was so serious, and then to have him
wake up with her head in the bed-- wow! Talk about powerful. 
Still, now that Wyndam Earl has entered a monastery, I don't
really know what the show is going to do for the rest of the season.




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Re: Josie trapped in drawer knob halcyon!hikaru@seattleu.edu (Demosthenes) 1991-03-06 16:23
bskendig@light.Princeton.EDU (Brian Kendig) writes:

> > In article <27D3767F.25777@orion.oac.uci.edu> dkrause@orion.oac.uci.edu (Doug
>> > >#>#   *However, if Bob put Harry into the drawer and Josie was still in the 
>> > >#>#   *I suppose you could say that she's forever in his drawers! (hee hee).
>> > >#>#   *hope these jokes don't go against anyone's grain! ;-D
>> > >#>#
>> > >#>#Yes, it wood be interesting.  Might keep viewers from becoming board.
>> > >#>#But, now I guess we'll just have to pine away. 
>> > >#>
>> > >#>Well fir crying out loud.  I saw it coming, it's started again.
>> > >#
>> > >#Now cut that out! Ya'll are barking up the wrong tree! I'll get sycamore
>> > >#of this stuff! So leaf it alone, oakay?
>> > >
>> > >Saps.
> > 
> > Hey!  He was aspen for it!  It's interesting to see the discussion
> > branch into areas such as this, even if people are starting to go out
> > on a limb with their ideas.  I wood knot complain.

Ack, that's ENOUGH with the wooden humor...

**************************************************************************
"Mr. BOB, you've killed Theresa Banks,   *                Richard Barrett
 Laura Palmer, Jacques Renault, and      *             18004 146th Ave NE
 Maddy Ferguson. What are you going to   *          Woodinville, WA 98072
 do next?"                               *                (206)487-1312
"I'm going to Disneyland!"               *hikaru%halcyon.uucp@seattleu.edu
**************************************************************************
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Re: Map of TP 6600koga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Jeffrey Koga) 1991-03-06 18:05
In article <1991Mar6.205145.1154@nntp-server.caltech.edu> coufal@piglet.caltech.edu (David Ernest Coufal) writes:

> >In article<59940054@hpopd.pwd.hp.com>richardh@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Richard Hancock) writes:

>>> >>> Has anyone been able to compile a map of Twin Peaks? I realise the geographic
>>> >>> references given in the show are limited but it may be possible.

>> >>I remember seeing a TP "map" in Newsweek slightly before TP began in the US.
>> >>I'm afraid I can't remember if it was meant to be an accurate map.

> >In a few months, the Twin Peaks Access Guide will be published. It will
> >almost certainly contain a map of the TP area.

I think the map that was being referenced to in
Newsweek was not of the fictional locations of the
Roadhouse, the Sheriff's Station, Great Northern
Hotel, and One-Eyed Jacks, but was instead a map of
all the characters plus their connections to one
another.
--
Jeff "Koganuts" Koga   1) "The 'Star Wars' Trilogy" by John Williams
Internet: 6600koga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu  2) "^TP^" by Angelo Baladamenti 
Bitnet: 6600koga@ucsbuxa.bitnet      3)  "STII:TWoK" by James Horner
Recommended CDs:        4) "Bugs Bunny on Broadway" by Carl Stalling
[src]
COOP ieevlsi2@nero.cs.montana.edu (VLSI) 1991-03-06 18:29
Hi,
There are plenty of us here who want to keep Twin Peaks on.
So what's involved with starting up a COOP group?  How about t-shirts?
Help?

Diane Mathews
Dept. of EE
Montana State University
Bozeman, MT
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Survey: Last Call, (I think!) giron@husc9.harvard.edu (Luis Giron) 1991-03-06 22:04
One more call for your top three Twin Peaks episodes.
So far a number of people have responded, and I hope to post
results next week.
Please list the three episodes and the points you allocate
to them.  Remember you are allowed 10 points, which you may divide
up as you please.  Don't worry if you don't remember the episode number.
If you say "the one where Coop gets shot," or "The one with Coop's
dream with the midget," that's fine.    

Example:

1000Pilot4 pts
2007BOB's ID revealed 4 pts
1002  Coop's dream2 pts


Send in those ballots!  So far, the leading episode
is from the first season, but I won't say more about it till later.

Sini Gandhi
giron@husc9.harvard.edu
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