Season 2, Episode 20: The Path to the Black Lodge — April 18–June 09, 1991

I just thought I'd put in my own theory on Twin Peaks and symbolism, etc.

IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING!!! And if it does, it's not intentional!!!

I came to this conclusion after reading David Lynch interviews, following
TP from day(week?) one, and watching a few movies, esp. Wild at Heart. I
realize that Lynch isn't the only person involved with creating the warped
ideas for the show--I've seen some interviews with Frost, and I think he
doesn't get nearly enough credit. But as for Lynch, he just doesn't know what
he's saying, and has said that he Doesn't want to pry too deeply into his work
for meaning. 'Nuff  said? (of course not!--so here's more.)

In any case, my point is: symbolism on twin peaks doesn't really mean
anything!  I firmly believe that the "deeper meaning" of at least half
of the mysterious stuff on the show is just there for fun, and to get people
like us to have fun speculating. (maybe I shouldn't include myself in that).

Some of it, of course, is foreshadowing of the plot, but TONS can be validly
interpreted in so many different yet plausible ways that saying it actually
MEANS something is silly. (example: give me an interpretation of the stop
light's changing color from last spring's shows...Better yet, I'd like to see
SEVERAL people interpret it the same way...(the gauntlet is thrown! will I 
regret it?)

Anyway, have fun, but PLEASE don't worry about it...


Dan "also no sig" Becker
Macalester College
St. Paul Minnesota

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Here is a transcript of Maj. Briggs vision which he narrates to his son Bobby. 
He describes a palace of fantastic proportion. Was he actually referring to 
the white lodge? Check this and watch out for the emphasis and 
comments/speculations. The *emphasis* and [comments/speculations] are mine.

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Bobby, may I share something with you? A *vision* I had in my sleep last night
as distinguished from a *dream* which is a mere sorting and cataloguing of the
day's events by the subconscious. This was a vision, fresh and clear as a
mountain stream, the mind revealing itself to itself. [Maj. Briggs 
distinguishes a vision from a dream]

In my vision, I was on the veranda of a vast estate, a *palazzo* [white 
lodge?] of fantastic proportion. There seemed to emanate from it a *light* 
from within this gleaming radiant marble. I have known this place. I've in 
fact been *born and raised* there. This was my first *return* [explain his
disappearance?], a reunion with the deepest well springs of my being.

Wandering about, I notice aptly that the house has been immaculately
maintained. There's been added a number of additional rooms [new white lodge
inhabitant?] but in a way that blended so *seemlessly* with the original
construction. One would never detect any difference.

Returning to the house's grand foyer came a knock on the door. My son
was standing there [Bobby reaches the white lodge? Hero in the final struggle?]
He was happy and care-free, clearly living a life of deep harmony and joy.
We embraced, warm and loving embrace, nothing was withheld. We were in this
moment one.

My vision ended. I awoke with a tremendous feeling of optimism and confidence
in you and your future. That was my vision. It was you.

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Die hard peak freaks ought to memorize these transcripts and recite them 
from memory when the opportunity arises (just like Dick and company reciting
passages from Shakespeare upon being entranced by Lana). Anyway, Ann H. thinks 
the house is the white lodge.

In article <1991Apr17.151950.11576@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >Remember the major's dream about a big, wonderful house with
> >many rooms (clearly a reference to heaven)?  Perhaps that is
> >also the white lodge.


Louie

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Remember the scene where the OAM "transfroms" into Mike as Cooper withholds
administering of the Halperidol (sp?) to Philip Gerard at the Sherrif's 
station. In this scene, Cooper asks Mike where Bob is now. Mike replies with
a "riddle:" [emphasis mine]

"A large house made of wood *surrounded by trees.* The house is filled with
many rooms each alike but occupied by different souls night after night."

Cooper says under his breath "The Great Northern Hotel." Could it also have
been a reference to the Black Lodge as Ann H. suggests?

In article <1991Apr17.151950.11576@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >It's counterpart, the black lodge, by the rule of symetry, should 
> >also be a large building with many rooms. The souls of "bad" or
> >tormented people would end up there. Perhaps since Josie is trapped
> >in a room in the Great Northern, that would make the GN the Black Lodge.

Could the description "surrounded by trees" be a reference to the "circle
of trees" in the glyph? There are some subtle contradictions, however. The
riddle states that the rooms are occupied by *different* souls night after
night but it is apparent that Josie is trapped in the knob in one of the
GN rooms.


Louie

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SHARPIE%NETMON@ISUVAX.IASTATE.EDU (Sharpie) writes:

> >I was wondering how many TP fans also watch Northern Exposure.
> >I've only watched the show twice myself but is seems to have some
> >of the some basic elements (quirkieness and supernaturalism) as TP
> >but different. (Since nothing could be like TP)

> >Sharpie

   I really like it also.  Maybe it has to do with the town that the 
show is done in.  I have been told that the "Cicely" is really in 
Washington State.  I was told by someone who live in the actual city. 
I don't recall what the name was but it is between Seattle and the 
Canadian border.  Can anyone verify this?  I will see if I can get 
in touch with the person who lived there and recognized the (I forget  
the name, is it "Roselyn") Cafe.

Patrick 

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In a previous article, appel@xcf.Berkeley.EDU (Shannon D. Appel) says:

> >In article <209.280c44e3@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au> ede682nbp1@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
>> >>Could someone please tell me when we find out who killed laura.
> >
> >IT WAS TOLD A FEW WEEKS AGO.  TOAD, WHO OCCASIONALLY SHOWS UP IN THE
> >DINER WAS THE MURDERER

Wasn't that scene where his leg blew up really gross?

Keith
-- Zone motifs: Rats, peeing on lit trees, Catlicks, golf, aliases, dogs and squirrels, pink flamingos, donuts, hair color, abortion, mayors, gods and goddesses, ministers and mistresses, romance, Twin and Triple Peaks, sex, greetings and non-greetings, Penultimates, Zippy, lud, power tools, and raymond

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>> > >Final scene:
>> > >
>> > >We are just inside the doorway of Cooper's room at the Great Northern.  We
>> > >see Cooper in a profile view sitting in a wooden chair at his desk/dresser
>> > >staring blankly into the mirror in front of him (not wholly unlike the
>> > >opening scene with Josie)...
      "Half my life's in those written pages.
I dunno, it seems, well, almost predictable. My vague feeling about all
this is that there is going to be a confrontation during the Miss Twin
Peaks contest that will involve Cooper, Harry, and one other person on
the physical plane, and Cooper, the Log Lady, and Major Briggs on the
spiritual plane, perhaps simultaneously. Can't guess as to all of the
antagonists; certainly BOB (spiritual) and WE (physical). I also think
that it's very possible that to win the spiritual battle, Cooper may
have to sacrifice himself on the physical plane.

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It could be that Twin Peaks is based on one of those
devices where the actionis actually occuring in only one mind.
For instance, someone could be dying and working out their 
inner conflicts at the moment of death (like Jacob's Ladder)
or better yet, the person could be insane and working
themselves towards sanity through the integration of various
imaginary characters.
 
This goes with the idea that the universe is just a great Thought
anyway, or a dream that God is dreaming.
 
If this is right, then good and evil will enventually have to
rejoin and return to their original unity. Windom and Cooper must
somehow reconcile, perhaps in death.
 
a.h.

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"The World of Sharks"  was broadcast in place of Twin Peaks
on Global in Canada. A brief anouncement that "the previously
scheduled program is not available" preceded this unwelcome 
occurance.
 
a.h.

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Fellow peakers....


We haven't gotten a news feed here in days.  Has anyone else gotten their
residence cards and ^mugs^?  Mine came yesterday.  It _almost_ makes up for not
winner the lottery.


Andrea

-- If all the veins in your body were laid end to end, you'd be dead. --

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alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:

> >Like 30 Something, the main characters are white,  middle-class and 
> >middle aged, but around them are a richer variety of individuals,
 ^^^^^^^^^^^
> >mercifully not even remotely yuppie-like.

Since when were Young Adults in their 30's middle aged, or is
that in comparison to the Old Adolescents in their 20's :-)

--
Rodney K. Cooper   rkc@svl.cdc.com    (408) 496-4264 
Control Data Corporation - Silicon Valley Operations
5101 Patrick Henry Drive, Santa Clara, CA 95054-1111

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In article <hoepfner.671980918@heawk1> hoepfner@heawk1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Patrick Hoepfner) writes:
SHARPIE%NETMON@ISUVAX.IASTATE.EDU (Sharpie) writes:

> >I was wondering how many TP fans also watch Northern Exposure.
> >I've only watched the show twice myself but is seems to have some
> >of the some basic elements (quirkieness and supernaturalism) as TP
> >but different. (Since nothing could be like TP)

In the event that NE suffers the same fate as TP, how about integrating the 
two into a single show: "The Twin Peaks gets Exposed in the North," in the 
hope of increasing its viewership (i.e. union of both viewerships). I can just
imagine how all the threads in both shows might be "blended so seemlessly." 
Any takers? Of course, there are also other possibilities like Sam (of QL) 
leaping into TP in one of its episodes.


Louie

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From: alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins)
Subject: RS - Bob's new home

> >When the hooded figure was shown we saw an owl fly into
> >the figure and appear to feed.  So perhaps the hooded figure
> >is Bob's new host and Bob is the owl feeding on the host's soul.
> >The figure is hooded because the identity of the host is cloaked
> >(hidden). 
I took that scene (as I did many others) to mean that the
owl and hooded figure are either the same or are both Black Lodge
spirits-- I doubt that BOB can possess the hooded figure (unless
he is of course the hooded figure himself).
This shot was also followed by a burst of flames.
Remember that we saw the same kind of thing in the "Briggs
gets abducted" scene.  An owl swooped down while a hooded figure
appeared with a bright light (i.e. flame-like).

Rocky Giovinazzo

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> >From: czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Robert D. Cappel...you can call me The Bob)
> >Subject: RS: Ben Horne and Leland Palmer

> >I still don't think that Leland Killed Laura.  Now....hear me out.  There are
> >so many bizzare things about Ben Horne that lead me to believe that he is both
> >a) the killer, possesed by BOB and b) Laura's REAL father.

> >The clues could go on...the one-armer collapsing when Ben entered the GN lobby,
> >and oh...I also think that Ben was the one who tore the pages out of Laura's 
> >diary.  Take a look, almost every page that is ripped out has a reference to 
> >Ben either right before or right after.

There is lots of evidence implying that Ben was involved: most 
puzzling is the "OAM collapses" scene.  But-- you need to rewatch the 
"Leland dies" episode.  It wasn't just BOB talking... *Leland* grieved over 
killing his daughter.
By the way, diary pages were found bleached on the train tracks.
Remember? i.e. Leland/BOB ripped them out.

Rocky Giovinazzo

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> >From: graffam@tdw206.ed.ray.com (Jim Graffam)
> >Subject: Has anybody noticed the common "Black and White" Themes

> >For some unknown reason, we have been brought up with the connection
> >of Black to "Bad" and White to "Good".
It is probably because of the fact that we cannot see things in the
dark.   i.e dark implies the unknown which implies fear => evil

Rocky Giovinazzo

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HELP! I NEED SOMEBODY! HELP! NOT JUST ANYBODY!

Hey, folks, I'm going to be presenting my paper on Twin Peaks, or, more
specifically, on ALT.TV.TWIN-PEAKS, April 27 at UCLA. Now, I remember
seeing someone post from UCLA, and I'd really like to hook up with you.
I'm going to be away from my terminal and I'll miss a whole bunch of
postings.AARRGGHHHHH (I don't groan/whine very effectively electronically)
UCLA person, could you please email me before 3:00pm Friday, the 19th?
Also, anyone who's in Southern California and is interested in attending
the conference to hear my lecture (I can't guarantee it will be anywhere
near as satisfying as the NET), email me and I'll give you the
particulars about the conference. But I'll only have access to the net
until tomorrow afternoon, so make it snappy.

For those of you who are interested in what I'll be saying, I'm going to
make the paper available to you via the net or email or something--
whatever I can get help with. 

Thanks for all of your help, and thanks for being such a fun
resource.

Peace,

Rosi
ROSIMCG@OAVAX,CSUCHICO.EDU

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Several people have commented on the dissonance of having Coop, supposedly the
good guy, play black in the chess game and vice versa.

I strongly suspect that this dissonance was intentional on the part of L&F and
that they intended that it would lead to thoughts about issues like duality
versus ultimate oneness and reflections on Coop's fascination with Tibet and
Buddhism.

As I understand it, one of the most important barriers to enlightenment in the
Buddhist tradition is clinging to ideas of essential opposition. To quote the
Zen Patriarch Dogen: "When the opposites arise, The Buddha Mind is lost."

As someone else has pointed out, the notion of a struggle between good and evil
is NOT Buddhist, Tibetan or otherwise. It is usually attributed to
Zoroastrianism which arose in Persia and has had a strong effect on
Judeo/Christian thought, stronger in some eras than others.

By the way, it is interesting to note that FIRE plays a very important part in
Zoroastrian worship!!!

Also, in checking my memories about Z, I came on a reference that said that the
sacrifice of bulls was also an important part of the religion. If so, any
tauruses in TP should be on their guard :-)

-Rich (Taurus) Haller

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Our server seems to have been down.  Could someone find
it in his/her heart to mail me the "RS: Another Overall Theory" article?
Thanks in advance....

Sini Gandhi
giron@husc9.harvard.edu
 

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In article <5541@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Special Agent Dale Cooper aka The Bob) writes:
> >
> >Y'know...if it IS true that only 11 million people a week watch Peaks, 
> >according to the Neilsens, that means two things...1) More people have
> >seen ONE episode of Peaks than ANY ONE of David's movies.  And, on the 
> >money side, 2) It would cost each person about 11.8 cents to help
> >produce an episode.  
> >
> >I don't know about you, but _I_ would be willing to shell out my
> >$2.59 for another 22 episodes.
> >


Hey...this is a GREAT idea! Would it work? Sending, say five bucks
directly to Lynch/Frost would certainly entail a lot less hassle than writing
reams of letters to Bob Iger and AT&T-- *would* this work?






-- MUDname: Sidera "...If I seem to give a damn, please tell me. I would University of Delaware hate to be giving the wrong impression."

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In article <jms.4137@vanth.UUCP>, jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
> > In article <3628@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu> hough@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (sue hough) writes:
>> > >
>> > >  If you're asking why the same side of the moon
>> > >is always dark, it's because the gravitational pull of the earth
>> > >has "locked" the moon so that the same face is always towards earth.
> > 
> > Not quite.  The same side of the moon always faces the earth, but the same
> > side isn't always dark.  (Regardless of what Pink Floyd and Bill Cooper
> > say.)

Sorry, you're right of course:  Hidden from us does not always = dark.

Now back to the subject at hand:  Have I lost count?  After
tonight, won't there *2* episodes remaining
from the 6 that were already filmed when TP took its hiatus?
Will these be shown together?  Or will both be scrapped for
a newly-written finale?

Sue

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In article <51656@apple.Apple.COM> larryy@Apple.COM (Larry Yaeger) writes:
> >Any Canadian TP viewers:  what was aired in TP's normal time slot?  And was
> >there any statement made about when TP would air?

There was some random show that didn't interest me at all.  There was no
mention at all about Twin Peaks.  The message was something like "The 
program regularly scheduled at this time is not available".


-- Carlo Sgro Not a card-carrying member of the watmath!watcgl!electro!carlo Laurie Bower Singers Fan Club. carlo@electro.com System Administrator, Electrohome, Ltd., Kitchener, ON, (519)744-7111x7210

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In article <16673@chaph.usc.edu> ramos@aludra.usc.edu (Luis Ramos) writes:
> >Of course, there are also other possibilities like Sam (of QL) 
> >leaping into TP in one of its episodes.

This has all sorts of possibilities.  (Have we talked about this?)  I
mean, what is Sam anyway but an inhabiting spirit?  I've only watched
QL about four times (don't like it, but my wife does), but in at least
one show there was a little girl who could see Sam.  Gifted or damned?

I like the idea of BOB as a renegade leaper, or perhaps someone simply
assigned to to prevent some terrible occurrence from happening, one in
which he has to inhabit Leland for a *long* time.  One of the major
failings of QL, in my opinion, is that Sam always plays the good
guy--his actions always have positive consequences for the people
around him.  What if, in order to prevent something terrible happening
in the future, a leaper had to kill a young girl in a small town and
make it look like a gruesome murder?  What if he had to leap into her
*father's* body to do it?  Then he wouldn't seem like such a good guy
to the locals, would he?  Maybe they'd find out about him and call him
BOB. . .

Now suppose that BOB's deeds in this little town have unexpectedly
terrible consequences down the line.  So whoever sends these people
sends someone else in to prevent BOB--call him SAM.  But BOB's people
try to prevent SAM by sending, oh, MIKE, who gets answered by
MARGARET, and so on.  Before long you have a whole population
inhabited by leapers on various sides, talking to their holographic
companions (who may look like giants, owls, logs, Dean Stockwell,
etc.).  From the standpoint of the people in this hypothetical small
town, it would look like a mysterious battle between Good and Evil,
carried on by a bunch of people who have a tendency to talk gibberish.

So: my ending for the last episode: finally all the leapers accomplish
what they all were sent to do.  They all vanish, leaving the people
they inhabited normal again.  Everyone lives happily ever after.



-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Poetry ends like a rope" --Jack Spicer

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The poem that everybody's been mentioning is "Love's Philosophy" by 
Shelley, isn't it? (Living in Norway and not having seen as many episodes as you over there, and having been away from the newsgroup for awhile, I could not be certain...)

Anyway, since this is one of my favorite poems, I'll post it for those of 
you who aren't familiar with it. (I apologize if this has already been 
done - but what the heck - it'll stand AT LEAST two readings!)

Reproduced, without permission, from "Library of World Poetry", Chatham 
River Press, New York, 1987:

LOVEUS PHILOSOPHY

The fountains mingle with the river,
     And the rivers with the ocean;
The winds of heaven mix forever,
     With a sweet emotion;
Nothing in the world is single;
     All things by a law divine
In anotherUs being mingle : -
     Why not I with thine ?

See ! the mountains kiss high heaven,
     And the waves clasp one another;
No sister flower would be forgiven
     If it disdained its brother;
And the sunlight clasps the earth,
     And the moonbeams kiss the sea : -
What are all these kissings worth,
     If thou kiss not me ?

Percy Bysshe Shelley
(1792-1822)

- Roar Larsen
  Trondheim, Norway

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In article <F497FD9E00401A74@UMAECS>, GIOVIN%POLLUX@ecs.umass.edu (Rocky Giovinazzo) writes:
>> > >From: graffam@tdw206.ed.ray.com (Jim Graffam)
>> > >Subject: Has anybody noticed the common "Black and White" Themes
> > 
>> > >For some unknown reason, we have been brought up with the connection
>> > >of Black to "Bad" and White to "Good".
> > It is probably because of the fact that we cannot see things in the
> > dark.   i.e dark implies the unknown which implies fear => evil

I always thought down these lines, and attributed a part of the antipathy
to darker-skin races to a fear of dark/unknown/evil.  But a book by a
(black) South African author (I'll get the title and author if anyone
wants them) brought me up short:  Throughout this book, black is used
very effectively as a symbol for richness, depth, integrity, etc;
*white* is used as a symbol for impoverishment, shallowness, vulnerability.
I think our cultural prejudices come first on this one, not any "innate"
reaction to color.

Sue

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Anyone planning birthday celebrations for tomorrow?  According to the
bio info that someone posted, tomorrow's the day to party.  I'd know
what food to serve--what do you think would make a good gift?

         a new chess set, a book on birds?

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In article <22165@shlump.nac.dec.com> owen@euclid.enet.dec.com (Steve Owen) writes:

> >I think Black/White, Bad/Good goes back to Biblical references.  

Oh?  Which ones?

> >The darkness 
> >is often an analogy to evil.  The Light is always in reference to
> >that which is good and right.

Ever asked yourself what "Lucifer" means?

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Poetry ends like a rope" --Jack Spicer

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In article <F497FD9E00401A74@UMAECS>, GIOVIN%POLLUX@ecs.umass.edu (Rocky Giovinazzo) writes...
>> >>From: graffam@tdw206.ed.ray.com (Jim Graffam)
>> >>Subject: Has anybody noticed the common "Black and White" Themes
> > 
>> >>For some unknown reason, we have been brought up with the connection
>> >>of Black to "Bad" and White to "Good".
> >It is probably because of the fact that we cannot see things in the
> >dark.   i.e dark implies the unknown which implies fear => evil
> > 
> >Rocky Giovinazzo

I think Black/White, Bad/Good goes back to Biblical references.  The darkness 
is often an analogy to evil.  The Light is always in reference to that which is 
good and right.

Also, the absence of light is darkness, but not visa versa.  All the darkness 
in the world can't put out a light, but even a tiny light can dispel a world of 
darkness...  Go into a huge dark place, pitch black.  Like a large hockey 
arena.  Light a match.  That one match has the ability to remove all that 
darkness.

Oh boy, I'm gettin' too deep here... time to stop the rambling....

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In article <1991Apr17.125027@Unify.com> raveling@Unify.com (Paul Raveling) writes:
> >In article <4355@ryn.mro4.dec.com>, boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's
> >Buddy) writes:
>> >> 
>> >> Doesn't surprise me. When TP was first put on hiatus, it was said
> >that
>> >> the last two episodes for the season hadn't been filmed at that
> >point.
>> >> I suspect that they're restructuring the scripts to wrap everything
> >up.
> >
> >Sorry, they didn't.  Unless someone decides to revive production
> >to cap it off (not likely), we'll be left without an ending.
> >
> >
GOOD! If there is no proper-Lynch-supplied-ending then we can make one up.
Twin Peaks may die but alt.tv.twin-peaks will live forever!!!!

Laura Floom

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boston area  twin-peakers, i just heard that tonight's show (4/18) will
be shown at midnight, after the celtics game. this is the last episode until
june. 

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Actually, my first reaction on seeing the black box and everyone's
inability to open it was to think of the puzzle box in Hellraiser. The 
cenobites make Bob look wimpy in comparison. It would be kind of cool to have 
Catherine finally figure it out, only to have her open the box and create
a transdimensional gate straight to the Black Lodge, whereupon she is slowly 
flayed alive by Pinhead and the LMFAP, and the rest of the demons are loosed
upon Twin Peaks. Or am I the only one to have such sick thoughts? It would be
a suitable revenge from beyond the grave from Eckhardt.

--
Jeff Nanis            "My work is so secret, even I don't know what I'm doing."
nanis@ll.mit.edu

      Definitely not an official opinion which might get me put in jail.

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In article <20557@brahms.udel.edu> cbrooks@brahms.udel.edu (Chris Brooks) writes:
> >Anyone planning birthday celebrations for tomorrow?  According to the
> >bio info that someone posted, tomorrow's the day to party.  I'd know
> >what food to serve--what do you think would make a good gift?
> >
> >         a new chess set, a book on birds?

 
Cooper's birthday on the cusp of Aries and Taurus!!!!
 
That's the same general placing as Hitler and Saddam Hussein.
Cooper's dark side must must be a real doozie.
 
a.h.

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In article <5959@vela.acs.oakland.edu> rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:
> >In article <22165@shlump.nac.dec.com> owen@euclid.enet.dec.com (Steve Owen) writes:
> >
>> >>I think Black/White, Bad/Good goes back to Biblical references.  
> >
> >Oh?  Which ones?
> >
>> >>The darkness 
>> >>is often an analogy to evil.  The Light is always in reference to
>> >>that which is good and right.
> >
> >Ever asked yourself what "Lucifer" means?
> >
Why yes, Rod.  It means "Light Bringer" and is sometimes slang for matches
as in "gimme a lucifer" for "give me a light".
 
But I can't remember. Was Lucifer the morning or the evening star. I'd
guess morning.
 

 
a.h. 

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In article <5958@vela.acs.oakland.edu> rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:
> >In article <16673@chaph.usc.edu> ramos@aludra.usc.edu (Luis Ramos) writes:
>> >>Of course, there are also other possibilities like Sam (of QL) 
>> >>leaping into TP in one of its episodes.
> >
> >This has all sorts of possibilities.  (Have we talked about this?)  I
> >mean, what is Sam anyway but an inhabiting spirit?  I've only watched
> >QL about four times (don't like it, but my wife does), but in at least
> >one show there was a little girl who could see Sam.  Gifted or damned?



Oh my GAWD-- I've been thinking about this kind of thing for about a
week now...it's--

QUANTUM PEAKS!!

Personally, I think Sam would be great trying to act like, oh, Lucy. Heh.





-- MUDname: Sidera "...If I seem to give a damn, please tell me. I would University of Delaware hate to be giving the wrong impression."

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Good old Paul Raveling posted a little while back and mentioned
something like "Lynch directing last episode; he tossed the script
and winged it, coming up with a pretty wild episode.  Not all loose
ends will be resolved."

There are lots of people on this list posting Their Ultimate Apo-
calyptic Conclusions to Twin Peaks.  (The "aleph" one was pretty
good.)  The problem with all of them is they are way too well thought
out.

Look, Twin Peaks has never been known for its consistency or its
willingness to explain everything.  And if Lynch bagged the script
for the last episode, I'm willing to bet my last cuppa joe that he's
going to pull a big old fast one on us.

There will be lots of things he never finishes, there will be lots
of mysteries left unexplained, there may even be a lot of stuff that
just plain doesn't fit with the rest of the show at all!!!

And I predict that, as always, after the last episode about half the
people on a.tv.t-p will be bitching about what a ripoff it was, and
the other half will be sighing in perfect demented contentment,
munching their donuts.

And then they'll proceed to try to explain it all... but the savor
will have gone out of that game, since we'll never know any more.
But we will be able to treasure some damn fine memories, and we'll
always remember to smell those trees.  Smell those Douglas firs.

Have you given yourself a present today?
--
Rob Jellinghaus                 | "Next time you see a lie being spread or
Autodesk, Inc.                  |  a bad decision being made out of sheer
robertj@Autodesk.COM            |  ignorance, pause, and think of hypertext."
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In article <1991Apr18.145947.17229@watserv1.waterloo.edu> 
alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:

> >"The World of Sharks"  was broadcast in place of Twin Peaks
> >on Global in Canada.
> > 
> >a.h.

You're lucky.  In the Halifax, N.S. area, we had an episode of TV's Bloopers
and Practical Jokes.

"That's funny, Dick."

"It sure is Ed."

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz............

Craig R. Falkenham
The Master of the Obvious

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To add to the general confusion--er, scholarly discussion :) --what about 
our notions of the significance of whiteness?  Check out the chapter in 
_Moby Dick_ called on "The Whiteness of the Whale" for some nifty ideas.  
In that book, at least, white signifies the absence of color, a void,  the 
vacuum, featurelessness, etc.--not an actively Good principle.  So if 
white is an absence of color, and black is an absence of light, what 
happens to the relationship between the WL and the BL?  (The lights are 
on, but nobody's home?)  I'll have to check out that chapter when I get 
home, it's wonderful stuff.

Another thing occurs to me--isn't white the color of mourning in one of 
the Oriental cultures (sorry, I forget which country--I think it's Japan)? 
 Probably not Tibet, though...

MVB
"A man came up to me and said, 'I'd like to change your mind by hitting it 
with a rock,' he said, 'though I am not unkind.' "--TMBG
Disclaimer:  Not my planet, Monkeyboy!

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After almost 2 months I finally got the first edition, Feb. 91.
Now, does anyone know how much longer will it be until I receive
my TP address and mug? 


-- ========================================================================== ABANDON ALL HOPE, YOU WHO READ THIS! ||| sally@mica.berkeley.edu ||| Sally A. Wilson (With apologizes to Dante) ||| aka Francesca da Rimini

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Just saw a commercial on MITV here in Bedford.  A scene from a recent episode
with Gordon and Cooper.

Gordon:  When Earle went boing-oing-oing ...

"So did our satellite feed.  Twin Peaks.  Tomorrow at 9:00"

So the episode should be on, for us Canadians without ABC, Friday the 19th.
That's 9pm eastern standard time.

Craig R. Falkenham
The Master of the Obvious

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Okay.  Here's my .02 cents.


Owls -- I think the owls are simply guardians of some sort.  This is
  something I've posted about before (last fall).  The owls are the
  eyes and ears of the Black Lodge.  But I don't think it's inherent.
  The Black Lodge merely employs or uses them to its own end.

Chess -- Why does Coop even bother playing the game with WE?  Unless he
  knows that playing the game is safer than NOT playing.  Otherwise, it
  seems to be just a plot device to portray the recurrent struggle or
  theme of "good" -vs- "evil", "white" -vs- "black".  The game will 
  either be wrapped up with the final episode and WE will be dead, or
  WE will survive to haunt Cooper in future episodes yet to be written.

Windom Earle -- You'd think that the FBI would be out in force combing
  the woods and the entire Twin Peaks area for this guy.  Especially
  since they know he's already killed several people and is bound to kill
  a few more.  WE made a fatal mistake when he uncovered the Cave Drawing
  (IMHO) but he is unaware of this.  I think he intends to use Cooper to
  find out where the entrance to the White/Black Lodge lies.  After that,
  Coop is dead meat to him.  I think WE and Major Briggs already know
  each other, but perhaps by different names.  WE may end up killing
  the Major (or will try to).
    
Cooper -- If the series is to continue on some other network, Cooper MUST
  survive.  He may go down and take injury, but it will all be in the noble
  line of duty.  Annie, though, I'm afraid, might be killed off in this
  struggle.  This would serve to doubly-resolve Coop's intent of destroying
  WE and the Black Lodge.  I think he will succeed in killing or at least be
  instrumental in the killing of WE.  But even with WE out of the picture,
  the Black Lodge will continue to exist and exert it's influence upon the
  people of Twin Peaks.  If the series is to continue, this theme of White
  -vs- Black Lodge must also persist.  The Owls too, must persist.  Coop's
  going to have to make a real effort to trap WE or at least bring him out
  into the open.  Perhaps Booby Briggs will get involved somehow?

Leo -- I think the "monster" may eventually become free and cause the real
  undoing of his creator, WE.  Leo's reaction to WE's obediance collar was
  particularly chilling in the last episode.  He even spills his beer!  I
  imagine that Leo has only one thing on his mind, that being the total
  destruction of WE.  Even if it means his own death.

Black Box -- So far, we only have the gifted and the damned, their visions
  and their fears, and a strange Cave Drawing.  Not to mention a lot of
  carnage.  There has to be some kind of OBJECT that keeps the whole shebang
  going.  Or a set of OBJECTS.  What they are I don't know.  But, they would
  be or act like a focal point for the power of the Black Lodge (and White
  Lodge) to have and sustain access to the locale of Twin Peaks (and the
  world at large).  Maybe the Black Box with the astrological symbols and
  footprint is but one of these OBJECTS?  I think the Black Box is a time-
  piece of some sort depicting a time which has or hasn't yet come to pass. 
  It may contain something of importance inside it as well.

Lastly, what might possibly lie *behind* the wall of the Cave Drawing?  It
  seems to me that there are other "unknowns" about this cave.  Perhaps it
  is a vortex or a massive "power spot" that receives and transmits psychic
  energies of those around it?  Be they people, animals, trees, sacred
  writings/drawings, and/or OBJECTS.


--    --
rj pietkivitchatt!ihlpz!rjp1

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> >Y'know...if it IS true that only 11 million people a week watch Peaks, 
> >according to the Neilsens, that means two things...1) More people have
> >seen ONE episode of Peaks than ANY ONE of David's movies.  And, on the 
> >money side, 2) It would cost each person about 11.8 cents to help
> >produce an episode.  

> >I don't know about you, but _I_ would be willing to shell out my
> >$2.59 for another 22 episodes.

In my letter to ABC I made it clear to them that I would be willing
to PAY about $2.00 per episode to watch TP.

> >Bob Cappel
> >President COOP Iowa

doug

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Thursday 6:30 PM

This is amazing, y'all.  I just got a phone call from a national
newspaper reporter who is trying to put together a story on (as
he put it) "Twin Peaks fans on the computer networks."  (!!)  So
I asked him if he'd read my article in the _TP_Gazette_, and he
said it was being fed-ex'ed to him tomorrow.  We're supposed to
talk again tomorrow afternoon, after he's read my article.

So... please help me make this thing accurate:
  1)  when was alt.tv.twin-peaks formed?  (and how soon after
the show started?)
  2)  is there any one person who particularly deserves credit
for its beginnings?
  3)  I've heard a number of 38,000 estimated for how many people
read USENET news--do we have any better figures than that, like
for alt.tv.twin-peaks in particular?
  4)  Any stats at *all* might be helpful: how many articles per
day or per month, for example; anything else you can think of
  5)  What foreign countries are involved in alt.tv.twin-peaks?
  6)  Don't we have access to info from Mark Frost and/or other
members of the production crew?  Who is the person that gets that
info?
  7)  what are the routes of access to reading alt.tv.twin-peaks--
i.e., what nets other than USENET can you use to get on?  
  8)  are most of us college students, computer programmers, or what?
  9)  do we have any special luminaries on the group I should mention--
professors of various ilks or celebrities or friends of celebs or
anyone else that might make a good item in the story?
 10)  how 'bout any juicy stories about TP fans and what they do?  I
know the stuff about TP parties and Hallowe'en costumes, but is there
anything especially related to the net itself, that I didn't already
cover in my _Gazette_ article?  

That's all I can think of.  The way I figure it, pulling together this
info will be helpful for Project Rolling Stone as well.  Any ideas you
have, would be helpful.  I'll let you know when this article
materializes, what newspaper it'll be in and so on.

Isn't this *amazing*?  I guess alt.tv.twin-peaks is gonna go out with
a bang, even if the show does get canceled for good.  :-)

Please *e-mail* me (since my newsreader is funky): fi@grebyn.com.

--thanks!

    Fiona O.

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In article <MUFFY.91Apr15090654@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
-In article <1991Apr15.153824.23535@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
-
-   In article <10360@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> russelrd@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (MattBrockman) writes:
-   >In article <1991Apr14.191355.13625@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
-   >>Why are you sure its an eclipse and not  the moon being eclipsed by the
-   >>earth, creating the phases of the moon?
-   >
-   Actually this has bugged me for a while.  What makes the moon light?  -
-   reflecting sun light. What causes the dark side?  - as far as I know it
-   ann
-
-No, the dark side of the moon is caused by the *moon* interfering with
-the light getting to the moon.  That is, the light is coming from the
-sun, it gets to the moon, lights up one side.  The moon is a sphere, so
-eclipse, on the other hand, is, as you say, caused by one body
-
-Muffy

Given all the Chariots of the Gods stuff that's been such an important
(if not original) theme of the show, why does everyone seem to think
that these circles represent our sun & moon?  They may very well be
a representation of the Moon of the Blinding White Light on its course
around the Planet of the People Look Like Owls Sometimes, Especially
When they're Pissed (a.k.a. the Black Lodge).

Or it may be an artistic arrangement of donuts.  (which is no doubt
what the contents of the Mysterious Box are!)

jimbo

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ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

   I just found out that TWIN PEAKS has been PRE-EMPTED tonight here in Auburn,
Alabama!  The local ABC affiliate in Columbus, Georgia decided to replace it
(and several other shows) with a 2 1/2 hour special called PROFILES IN
SURVIVAL (how ironic!). Luckily for us, though, they WILL show it Saturday
night at 10:30 CST.
   Gee, and the networks wonder why viewership declines each year! I finally
find a show I really like, and they switch nights on it, have hiatuses so long
I begin to forget just what the &*(&*& is going on, and THEN they preempt vital
episodes! If they pull this with THE WONDER YEARS, they've lost me for good!
   Double Gee. And I dedicated my weekly cartoon in the campus paper to TWIN
PEAKS, too. Free advertising for a show that won't even be on... *sniff*

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fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Oceanstar) writes:
> >  3)  I've heard a number of 38,000 estimated for how many people
> >read USENET news--do we have any better figures than that, like
> >for alt.tv.twin-peaks in particular?
> >  4)  Any stats at *all* might be helpful: how many articles per
> >day or per month, for example; anything else you can think of

I sent Fiona this information from news.lists, but I figured that a lot
of people might be interested in seeing the numbers.  Here they are:

From: reid@decwrl.DEC.COM (Brian Reid)
Newsgroups: news.lists
Subject: USENET Readership report for Mar 91
Date: 3 Apr 91 16:09:37 GMT

        +-- Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide.
        |     +-- Actual number of readers in sampled population
        |     |     +-- Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all
        |     |     |      +-- Recent traffic (messages per month)
        |     |     |      |      +-- Recent traffic (kilobytes per month)
        |     |     |      |      |      +-- Crossposting percentage
        |     |     |      |      |      |    +-- Cost ratio: $US/month/reader
        |     |     |      |      |      |    |      +-- Share: % of newsrders
        |     |     |      |      |      |    |      |   who read this group.
        V     V     V      V      V      V    V      V
  1 160000  3468   74%  2053  5539.7     6%  0.05  12.4%  alt.sex
  2 150000  3300   89%    97   286.1     0%  0.00  11.8%  rec.humor.funny
  3 140000  3044   91%   537  1003.0    11%  0.01  10.9%  misc.jobs.offered
  4 130000  2800   89%  1041  1326.6    34%  0.02  10.0%  misc.forsale
.....
218  31000   682   67%   770  1042.4     5%  0.04   2.4%  alt.tv.twin-peaks


-Dave


-- Dave "mr question" McIntyre +-----+ "....say you're thinking about a plate mcintyre@turing.cs.rpi.edu | ? | of shrimp.....and someone says to office : 518-276-8633 +-----+ you 'plate,' or 'shrimp'......"

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In article <16673@chaph.usc.edu> ramos@aludra.usc.edu (Luis Ramos) writes:

> >
> >In the event that NE suffers the same fate as TP, how about integrating the 
> >two into a single show: "The Twin Peaks gets Exposed in the North," in the 
> >hope of increasing its viewership (i.e. union of both viewerships). I can just
> >imagine how all the threads in both shows might be "blended so seemlessly." 
> >Any takers? Of course, there are also other possibilities like Sam (of QL)
                                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^
> >leaping into TP in one of its episodes.                        
> >
> >
> >Louie

Aaaaacck!  Please, nooooo!!  Let's just leave the QL people to their own 
little world!!  One of the great things about a Twin Peaks newsgroup is that
I don't have to hear anything about "What if Sam leaped into so-and-so?"
"What if Sam did this-and-such??"!!  

Sorry, I don't mean to flame;  just the rantings of a frustrated rec.arts.tv
reader sick of waiting five minutes for his "QL" kill-file to finish the job.

Well, OK, if Sam leaps into anybody from TP, I hope it's Laura Palmer...
Or Theresa Banks.  Or Blackie O'Reilly.  Or Jacques Renault.  Or Bernard
Renault.  Or Jean Renault.  Or Maddie Ferguson.  Or Emory Battis.  Or....

:-)

                         --Albert Woo

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From: owen@euclid.enet.dec.com (Steve Owen)
Subject: Re: Why does black=evil? (was: Has anybody noticed the black & white
|>>For some unknown reason, we have been brought up with the connection
|>>of Black to "Bad" and White to "Good".
|>It is probably because of the fact that we cannot see things in the
|>dark.   i.e dark implies the unknown which implies fear => evil

|I think Black/White, Bad/Good goes back to Biblical references.  The darkness 
|is often an analogy to evil.  The Light is always in reference to that which is 
|good and right.
What I was pointing out was not actual evidence of early fears of
black=evil (i.e. the Bible or other early religious text) but rather where 
this fundamental association probably originates.

Rocky Giovinazzo

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 Well well well....you know,  sometimes I really wonder if
Lynch and Frost DON'T read this newsgroup.

 There's been complaining that the old feeling of dread is
gone....and now this.  Whereas we used to have just a serial
killer to worry about,  all through the 4/18 episode I get the
feeling that something truly AWFUL is going to happen.  And as
soon as the giant showed up mouthing NOOOOOOO as Cooper said
that annie would be the queen,  you just knew BOB was going to 
put in an apperance...but if you were like me,  you figured he'd
appear in the vision.  But it looks like our favorite psychopathic
spirit has somehow managed to achieve corporial form...maybe he's
finally accumulated enough soul energy?

 And what's with the shakes???

 I thought this was the best episode in quite some time,  and now
no more till June 10.  *WAIL*

Bud


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][

Oh my.  I don't think I can wait that long.  I've got it penciled on
my calendar; besides, who's gonna be looking on a *Monday* night for
the two-hour season finale?!

Two questions:  Why, suddenly, are the denizens of Twin Peaks getting
a palsy?

And, what the hell kind of computer does Wyndham Earle have?!  Some
sorta portable EKG machine hooked up to a Tandy 1000?  (:-)

And, can we all now safely state now with Earle's excellent computer
visualization (petroglyph overlaid on the map of Twin Peaks), that the
Black Lodge *IS* the Great Northern?

"There are many cures for a broken heart.  But nothing quite like a
trout's leap in the moonlight..."  
   --Pete Martell

--

michael regoli
mr@cica.indiana.edu
regoli@iubacs.BITNET
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In a previous article, mvb@eagle.mit.edu (Mary V. Burke) says:
> >To add to the general confusion--er, scholarly discussion :) --what about 
> >our notions of the significance of whiteness?  Check out the chapter in 
> >_Moby Dick_ called on "The Whiteness of the Whale" for some nifty ideas.  
> >In that book, at least, white signifies the absence of color, a void,  the 
> >vacuum, featurelessness, etc.--not an actively Good principle.  So if 
> >white is an absence of color, and black is an absence of light, what 
> >happens to the relationship between the WL and the BL?  (The lights are 
> >on, but nobody's home?)  I'll have to check out that chapter when I get 
> >home, it's wonderful stuff.
> >Another thing occurs to me--isn't white the color of mourning in one of 
> >the Oriental cultures (sorry, I forget which country--I think it's Japan)? 
> > Probably not Tibet, though...

I don't know about the Tibet thing.  But, if you want to talk actual physics.
Black is the absence of color, White is all color.  Going along the lines 
of recent posts regarding Cooper and wisdom, The White Lodge and white could
signify all wisdom, about everything that is going on, all good.  The Black
Lodge could signify a lack of wisdom and goodness.  

This is a stretch, but Cooper uses the black pieces, Earle uses the White.
Earle seems to know alot more about the lodges and seems to be closer to
finding out what is going on (such as tonight's episode where he talks about
the 'map')  Cooper seems to be 'in the dark' about the whole situation.  Or,
at least, that is what the writers seem to be portraying thus far.  Earle
is doing all of the planning and the killing.  He, so far, doesn't seem
to have any spiritual help because he figures things out by himself.  Cooper,
on the other hand, needs the aid of spirits, such as the giant which 
appeared in tonight's episode.  Again, this shows how Earle knows more, and
Cooper is in the dark.

Just some theories to play around with...

Keith
-- Zone motifs: Rats, peeing on lit trees, Catlicks, golf, aliases, dogs and squirrels, pink flamingos, donuts, hair color, abortion, mayors, gods and goddesses, ministers and mistresses, romance, Twin and Triple Peaks, sex, greetings and non-greetings, Penultimates, Zippy, lud, power tools, and raymond

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I'd like to suggest that Ben Horne is going to have something to do with
the Black Lodge / Windom Earle situation.  After Audrey left, he suddenly
turned around and stared at something in shock.  Perhaps the White Lodge is
summoning him to their aid in case Cooper's attention is distracted at a
critical moment (though the Giant seems to be doing his best to warn Cooper
that his mind is straying from the matter at hand.)

--
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Jim Shaffer, Jr.      | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | that it could be so
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In a previous article, bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt) says:

> >
> >
> >
> > Well well well....you know,  sometimes I really wonder if
> >Lynch and Frost DON'T read this newsgroup.
> > There's been complaining that the old feeling of dread is
> >gone....and now this.  Whereas we used to have just a serial
> >killer to worry about,  all through the 4/18 episode I get the
> >feeling that something truly AWFUL is going to happen.  And as
> >soon as the giant showed up mouthing NOOOOOOO as Cooper said
> >that annie would be the queen,  you just knew BOB was going to 
> >put in an apperance...but if you were like me,  you figured he'd
> >appear in the vision.  But it looks like our favorite psychopathic
> >spirit has somehow managed to achieve corporial form...maybe he's
> >finally accumulated enough soul energy?

I was thinking the same thing.  This was definitely a 'damn fine episode'.
The best we've had in ages.  While the previous 3 episodes have had
alot of quirkiness and humor (which is always good), this one had
that air of mystery and dread that I loved so much from the beginning.
And, yes, it did seem as if BOB was 'reaching out'.  He has enough energy
to put at least his arms through.  It seems as if he's really close to
being able to take 'human' form, if that makes sense.  That scene also
seemed to confirm what I have been feeling for a long time.  That is, that
nobody is BOB's host right now.  He's just been floating around as a 
spirit, appearing in dreams and whatnot.  However, I will concede that 
perhaps he was in Josie before she died.

> > And what's with the shakes???

It seemed to me as if it had something to do with the syrupy coffee.  
Maybe the camera was in slow motion, but to me, it still seemed as if
the coffee was a little too thick.  And, if it was, then why did Pete
and that other woman drink it?  Wouldn't they know that this is not
the damn fine cup of joe that they had grown to know and love?

> > I thought this was the best episode in quite some time,  and now
> >no more till June 10.  *WAIL*

I agree...*sniff*

> >Bud

Keith
-- Zone motifs: Rats, peeing on lit trees, Catlicks, golf, aliases, dogs and squirrels, pink flamingos, donuts, hair color, abortion, mayors, gods and goddesses, ministers and mistresses, romance, Twin and Triple Peaks, sex, greetings and non-greetings, Penultimates, Zippy, lud, power tools, and raymond

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In a previous article, aer@ednor.bbc.com (Ann Ronish) says:

> >It would be great to see Twin Peaks continue.  As for putting it
> >on Fox, I'm not too optimistic.  They cancelled Alien Nation because
> >of ratings and expen$e$.  

I would hope that if another network picks it up, that at least it is a
network like FOX or PBS, for I don't have cable, and it would kill me
to know that Twin Peaks was being shown and I couldn't see it!

And, please, don't tell me 'get cable', because I am but a college student
living in a dorm...I'm lucky I have a TV.  Besides, even at home, I live
out in the boondocks of Maine and they don't even offer cable.

Keith
-- Zone motifs: Rats, peeing on lit trees, Catlicks, golf, aliases, dogs and squirrels, pink flamingos, donuts, hair color, abortion, mayors, gods and goddesses, ministers and mistresses, romance, Twin and Triple Peaks, sex, greetings and non-greetings, Penultimates, Zippy, lud, power tools, and raymond

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After watching the 4/18 episode I had a question come to mind.

While under the influence of truth serum the Major mentioned something
about when Saturn and Jupiter meet that he will come.

Was the "he" was referring to be Bob, the personification of evil on
Twin Peaks??  And did Bob appear at Black Lodge or is there no connection
between Bob and the Black Lodge?  The final sequence in the show made
me think of this.

Bert Nelson
Weber State University
bnelson@cc.weber

By the way, it was announced at the end of the show that the final two
episodes would be shown as a movie of the week on Monday, June 9.

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In article <91095.222319FLEGLEI@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu> FLEGLEI@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu writes:
> >Yo, folks, Nickie is 11 or 12 years old. Mrs. Hayward clearly said, Ben it's be
> >en 20 years. He's Donna's dad or thereabouts.

Damn that's right...I was the one who proposaled Nickie being their kid.
I thought that way they writers could have explained Mrs. Hayward &
Ben's connection, as well as reveal what/who Little Nickie actually is
for the story seemed purposefully contrived by Doc Hayward. But, alas
I was wrong, it does seems as though Donna is their daughter.


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Keith Bitely suggests that white is all wisdom and good, while black
"could signify a lack of wisdom and goodness."

Well, this sounds all right for the goodness part, but not for the
wisdom. In the Bible, the Tree of Knowledge (wisdom, same damn thing in
this particular case) of Good and Evil was NOT to be eaten from, thereby
signifying evil (as the first sin). Also, in this day and age, knowledge
is power. Power is a promise of the BLACK, not white, Lodge.

Also, of the fact that Cooper is using black in chess rather than white,
I like Keith's idea about Coop being "in the dark," but doesn't white
make the first move in chess (I may be wrong, for I haven't played in
years)? Since WE started the game, he took white.

Mike

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I just saw tonight's episode, and our server is still
down!  Please, someone, ANYONE, send me the articles from this
newsgroup about the 4/18 episode!!!!
Many thanks in advance,

Sini Gandhi
giron@husc9.harvard.edu

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Okay...

I nearly jumped when Ben turned around with that expersion of
shock on his face, it appeared as if SOMETHING was in the
room, now What? And after that when never saw him. Interesting
that he somewhat to be with him; he pleaded with JJ Wheeler to stay,
and even Audrey wasn't around. The two good people around him who could
keep the Evil away from him. Was that murder in Brazil conincedential
or did it occur to get JJ Wheeler out of the picture so that
whatever evil force could cash in on Ben? Maybe BOB was involved
with Ben as others have stated...

What about Major Briggs. I guess it has been mentioned before,
but anyway here goes: his first name is Garland, ie a circle of
flowers, thus another circle motif. And supposedly circles are
associated with the good elements of TP.

Then in the diner the dish with the cherry pie breaks. And il-omen
since it represents the broken circle. And the spilled coffee looked
like a forshadowing of blood shed, thus possible death. Since it occured
during Coop & Anne's interaction it appears that it foreshadows
her fall. Then of course later the Giant trying to convince Coop
not to incourage her to enter the contest.--But this has been the net
consenus anyway.

What's with the ending with the school, Great Northern, the police
station (and the hospital???) all emptied. 

Then there is the hand twitching of the lady, Coop & Pete. Is
this tied in to the above. With everyone in the town being
drawn to the conjunction of the two lodges?

Also, was Major Briggs speaking backwards?


We hear the (L)MFP music, and see a glimpse of a red room,
the same as in Coop's dream of the (L)MFP and Laura. Is
that room one of the many rooms in the Black Lodge? I
always thought that the (L)MFP was connected to the sinister
and not companion to the Giant, but an advesary, his polar
oposite, and thus connected to the Black Lodge.

Black/White thing. If Twin Peaks is a eartly representation
and if it is an inferior image of the Black/White Lodges,
then maybe it is like a photographic image. Thus, that which
is white in the realm/dimension of the White Lodge in TP
is black, and vice a versa. Hence, Coop being the black chess
pieces, his dressing in dark suits, and his love for very black coffee. 

--Darn and now the 2 hour series ending episode will
occur while I am on vaction.....DAMNNNNNNN



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> > Then there is the hand twitching of the lady, Coop & Pete. Is
> > this tied in to the above. With everyone in the town being
> > drawn to the conjunction of the two lodges?

Don't forget Ben.  At the beginning of the episode, Doc Hayward is seeing
Ben about heart attack symptoms he has been having; Doc declares he is
in no such danger.  We may assume that Ben experienced a similar
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My sister ran into Richard Beymer a couple of times last week, and he
said that Fox is a real possibility because of the popularity of the
show in Europe.  He said the best thing people could do is to call
them, asking them to run the show.

I mean, they ran that Chris Elliot show, they could run Twin Peaks :-)

Sure, the cast of TP is going to want to believe that the best thing
that ever happened to them* is going to keep going, but I just thought
I'd pass the message along...

--Pete

*Except possibly West Side Story :-)

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AT LAST!!!  The event I've long been waiting for--Windom Earle came into
his own as a villain worthy of Coop!

"I-know-some-thing-they-don't-know!"

This show has my UNDYING loyalty for the number of times it has made me
say, "OH MY GOD, what was THAT??!!  Wait a minute, it's gonna be on again
WHEN???!!  OH NOOOOO!!!!"

So Bob is returning into our world, eh?  Annie + Cooper = trouble?  The
Giant mouthing "no... no..."  Earle has the Major _and_ Leo.... the
Black Lodge returning to earth....

Of course we will never know what becomes of Billy.  I will actually be
very surprised if we witness the meeting fo Jupiter and Saturn.

But holy jumpin' jizzywitches, it's gonna go out with a bang nonetheless.
It almost feels to me like it's burning faster and hotter, and something
wild WILL be seen on June 10th.  ("WHEN???!!")

Jack's gone (many of you will be happy about that, I'm indifferent), and
Audrey's feeling how Cooper's gonna feel when the Black Lodge is done with
Annie.

Windom:  What is your greatest fear?
Major:   That love is not enough.

I kind of doubt it is....

At last we see the horse again!  Only this time he's got black spots!
Oh, I see, the horse in the Palmer's living room was coming to carry Maddie
to the White Lodge.  Well, now we've got that answered, Fiona!  I actually
think the net.group.mind has got something going here.

So what made the ringing noise in Ben's office?  What did he see when he
turned around?  "This isn't right.  There's something wrong here."  AND
THE STOPLIGHTS AGAIN!

The unsettling sense of dread and foreboding is BACK!

Aggh, gotta stop thinking about it, I'll go MAD in the intervening weeks....
--
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A. Buschhaus(bats@convex.csd.uwm.edu) writes:

> >Yes Yes!!                                     
> >I've been a Northern Exposure fan since its FIRST episode

I as well.  Wondering, however, why there's been so little 
discussion of the brilliant Twin Peaks Homage Episode, complete
with Lynchian camera work and cherry pie references ('though
that last might have been to donuts -- the episode aired pre-NE-haitus
and memory fails).  Has this episode already been brought up here, and I
just missed the posts?  The show is scathingly funny, and one of the 
best pieces of commentary on Twin Peaks around.


Barry Isralewitz
C2G@VAX5.CIT.CORNELL.EDU

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bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt) writes:

Spoilers for 4/18:

> > There's been complaining that the old feeling of dread is
> >gone....and now this.  Whereas we used to have just a serial
> >killer to worry about,  all through the 4/18 episode I get the
> >feeling that something truly AWFUL is going to happen.  

Through a great deal of it, absolutely.  Even Windom seemed much more 
sinister than before after the revelation that maybe he ISN'T just after
Coop, or maybe isn't even after Coop at all...

> >And as
> >soon as the giant showed up mouthing NOOOOOOO as Cooper said
> >that annie would be the queen,  

Startled the hell out of me, that one.  As soon as Cooper said it, I and
everyone else naturally said "oh, bad choice of words there...", but then
when the Giant suddenly appeared, seeming about as frantic as he can get...
brr.  (And of course, Coop's shown that he's not very good at figuring out
what the Giant means before...this is not a good sign for Ms. Blackburne.  
Pity.)

> >you just knew BOB was going to 
> >put in an apperance...but if you were like me,  you figured he'd
> >appear in the vision.  

I wasn't sure at all where the hell he was going to show up.

> >But it looks like our favorite psychopathic
> >spirit has somehow managed to achieve corporial form...maybe he's
> >finally accumulated enough soul energy?

Perhaps--I think he's made it through to TP proper as well.  This is a very
good definition of a BAD thing.  This is probably also a good time to make
quick travel plans out of said town...:-)

> > And what's with the shakes???

I don't know--but did you notice that we _also_ heard the "shakes" music when
Ben was startled by whatever startled him?

> > I thought this was the best episode in quite some time,  

Me too, I think.  Certainly had the most engrossing ending in a long, LONG
time.  I don't remember having quite this sense of anticipation, of "oh, shit,
what the hell is going on, and what do we do about it" since 11/3 and "The
Great Northern Hotel!!"  (Granted, though, some of that may be due to the fact
that I knew this was the last one for a long time.)

> >and now no more till June 10.  *WAIL*

Agreed.  I don't wanna wait two more months...

Tim Lynch (Cornell's first Astronomy B.A.; one of many Caltech grad students)
BITNET:  tlynch@citjuliet
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"The grass will be greener, 'til the stems turn to brown
And thoughts will fly higher, 'til the earth brings them down
Forever caught in desert lands, one has to learn to disbelieve the sea..."
--Genesis, "Mad Man Moon"

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In article <1991Apr19.021241.6002@ms.uky.edu> bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt) writes:
> >
> > And what's with the shakes???

  They all have this preminition that they will all be killed by ABC
before Lynch will write a decent bizzare death for them.

Rick

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One of the best episodes since the second season started. Much more airtime was
devoted to the central mysteries, White Lodge / Black Lodge, and less to the
dreary side plots -- this is easier now that Windom's activities are converging
with the larger theme.

We see three, perhaps four instances of unexplained palsy: (1) the unknown
woman customer eating cherry pie at the R&R; (2) Cooper at the window in the sheriff's office; (perhaps 3) Ben in his office as Audrey rushes out to catch
up with J.J.Wheeler; and (4) Pete after J.J.'s jet departs. (We don't see
whether Ben has the same symptoms as the other  three; the scene shifts too
quickly, perhaps cut for brevity?)

The symptoms are shaking in one hand (quickly steadied by the other), accom-
panied by a ringing, roaring noise perhaps heard only by the person exper-
iencing the fit.

At first I thought Windom had put something in the cherry pie. Coop's fit dis-
pelled this idea. Then I wondered if the palsy came upon only "sensitives" (the
gifted and the damned); but neither Ben nor Pete fit this hypothesis. Best
guess now is that the palsy is some sort of precursor to the coming conjunction
of Jupiter and Saturn, which at the end seems to result in Bob coming through
in the flesh. Scary scene!

--Keith Dawson
dawson@epps.kodak.com

P.S. they did it again in Boston: T-P pre-empted by a basketball game, shown at
midnight, run as scheduled on the Manchester H.N. station.

In article <4130001@hpopd.pwd.hp.com> martin@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Martin Wink) writes:
> >The BBC have cancelled Twin-Peaks in the UK.  In its place they're planning
> >to show, of all things, SNOOKER!
> >
> >I don't know about the rest of you, but this really gets my blood boiling.
> >I therefore announce the official COOP-UK campaign, and have sent in the first
> >of many letters to TV-Centre.
> >
> >With enough backup I think I can get TP back on your screens within a few
> >weeks.
> >

Calm down. TP is being pre-empted by the snooker for the next two weeks and
will return on May 7th. It annoys me too but the return date was clearly
announced at the end of the last episode. 

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Sorry, Canadian friends... I don't even like to think about how frustrating
it must be to have the episode just disappear with no warning.  I sincerely
hope that Global reschedules.  As you probably are all too aware by now, the
show did go on in the States on Thursday as planned.  I really suspect that
Lynch has been heavily re-editing in preparation for the "wrap-up", hence the
late arrival of the tapes.  But, following are a fare number of SPOILERS,
so you'd best stop here if there's any hope of seeing the show up there.



A few comments on the story, and various speculations, so far:

First of all, thanks to everybody in this group for making the show extend
through the week(s).  It's been nice to live in the mythos for more than
just the one hour per (occasional) week.  Kudos to all the detail-spotters,
the list-makers, the creative-explainers, and the journalists!  A special
thanks to Bernie Roehl for his very insightful summary of our favorite mythos.

As Bernie and others have pointed out, we are definitely being drawn into an
epic battle between the forces of "good" and "evil".  While some have objected
to a mixture between the concepts of good and evil and the tenets of Buddhism,
don't forget that this is the belief system that brings us the notion of yin
and yang, and the duality of all reality.  The Zen koan asks, "What is the
sound of one hand clapping?".  Though koans don't have "answers" as such,
surely one is expected to gain some insight into this duality by coming to
the understanding that there is *no* sound of one hand clapping - that only
through the collusion (collision :-) of opposing forces is reality made
manifest.  Accordingly, I don't believe (or at least I sincerely hope that)
there will be no absolute victory over either the Black Lodge or the White
Lodge.  This struggle is eternal.  It is life.  I do hope, for the sake of
our friend, Dale Cooper, and the citizens of Twin Peaks that the Black Lodge
loses this particular battle!

Contrary to Windom's and Joe Buck's belief (nice company ya keep there, Joe :-),
I don't think the White Lodge is "clumsy and ineffectual" as compared to the
Black Lodge.  Rather, the White Lodge's methods are simply more subtle, and
less direct than those of the Black Lodge.  Subtlety and gentleness are often
seen as less powerful methods of action by the coarse.  Zen, however, teaches
strength through yielding.  I am reminded of Quai Chang Cain in the old
Kung Fu television series; I think he and Dale would like each other.
Someone (I believe it was Hawk) explained to Cooper that one had to pass
through the Black Lodge to reach the White Lodge.  This is consistent with a
spiritual progression, a growth and a refining, along this path to
enlightenment, or Heaven.  Because of this greater refinement, and, perhaps,
a greater respect for the ways of Fate (the way of Dao), the Giant is less
willing to remake the world, or to directly intervene, hence his cryptic,
oracular pronouncements to Dale.  Tonight's more direct "Nooo!" from the
Giant are a sign that things are really heating up, and was delivered with
a suitably concerned expression to accompany such a radical action.  (By the
way, Joe Buck, I liked your metaphysical explanation for who the
representatives of the two Lodges are and how they got that way!  It really
fits the Tibetan belief system that Coop subscribes to.)

Dale is also told that in order to enter the White Lodge, one must defeat
his Black self.  Well, Windom was his partner, and is now wholey engrossed
in seeking out the Black Lodge.  Metaphorically, at least, WE is Dale's
black counterpart.  Thus, for reasons quite aside from the affair (sorry:-)
with Caroline, Dale and WE must come to blows.  Though this is really no
surprise to anyone at this point.

Sometimes I think that Dale is headed for the WL, and sometimes I don't.
This is partly based on his statement that the discovery in Owl Cave was going
to lead to something wonderful, though this could just mean that things would
resolve themselves well and he and Annie would live happily ever after.  And
then there is the Major's vision, as related to Bobby (thanks, Luis Ramos, for
the transcription), that mentions the seamlessly blended addition of new rooms
to the WL, which could be suggesting that Coop will fit into the WL as
easily as he fit into Twin Peaks itself, though this could be referring to
Laura and Maddy, who made it to the WL due to their strength and innocence,
respectively.  Sometimes the ease with which various events and clues support
completely opposing alternatives seems almost deliberate, and a bit
maddening, eh?

Another aspect of Major Briggs's vision is that *he* is returning to the WL.
Sigh.  I fear this means the death of one of my favorite characters ever.  And
it seems that Bobby is coming to grips with some more refined priorities in
this episode, perhaps beginning the fulfillment of that part of the Major's
vision for him - "living a life of deep harmony and joy".  Might Bobby even
figure in the WL's defense?

Wittingly or not, it appears that the recent deaths at Windom's hands are
strengthening BOB.  I interpreted the various hand-shaking as being BOB
trying to directly control these individuals, perhaps thinking he might
actually be able to succeed, perhaps simply trying out the wearing of flesh
again.  I was already wondering if this might be the case when BOB's nearly
physical manifestation occurred, and great emphasis (light and similar hand-
shaking) was placed on his arm and hand.  So it looks like BOB is going
to be in on the big confrontation!  He may not even need a host this time,
or perhaps he will be able to control anyone without their *letting* him in,
as was necessary in the past.  BOB is a real wild card in Windom's deck.
WE, in his madlong rush for power and revenge, may not pay proper due to the
danger inherent in his chosen path.  Evil is famous for destroying itself as
well as good.  BOB could as easily turn on WE as embrace him.  Who can say?

Leo-stein is obviously still in pretty bad mental shape.  I lost it completely
when he started shocking himself, following WE's great Brer Rabbit act.  I
know some folks disagree, but I find WE pretty damned spooky!  Except that
Coop put special emphasis on stating that WE had abandoned the chess game,
I had been assuming that Leo, as WE's bishop, was going to be ordered to do
something that forced Coop to kill him, since that piece had to be taken next
to propel the stalemate (or possible mate).  Perhaps this is a development
that must needs be lost to the network-imposed time constraints.  Still, Leo
managed to recall Shelley's name, so he might play in this yet.

So with this background, what's going to happen next?  Well, what I predict
and what I hope are a bit different (neither of which may occur, of course!).

Unfortunately, I fear that Dale is going to fail to interpret or heed the
Giant's warning (though this bothers me, as I think we all understood it all
too well).  Or it may simply be that Annie, who has a strong will of her own,
will refuse to be swayed by any arguments that Dale is able to present to
her - it is a bit of a tale to swallow, after all, that the Giant that (pretty
much) only Dale can see, who warned him of other murders, is now telling him
that Annie shouldn't try out for Miss Twin Peaks!  Unfortunately, I believe
that the Giant perceives the weave of the future only too well, and all roads
lead to doom for Dale's second true love, *or* for Dale himself (who as
others have speculated, may have to lose his physical self to save his Queen
and his soul).  In one scenario, Annie dies, but Dale and the WL prevail by
killing WE.  In the other, Dale saves Annie at the cost of his life.
Incidentally, though I hope they don't take the previously suggested obvious
out of having BOB inhabit Cooper, the violent loss of Annie (after having lost
Caroline violently) is about the only thing I could imagine demoralizing
Cooper to the extent that he would surrender his soul to BOB.

What I'd like to see is for WE to send Leo after Annie, the new Miss Twin
Peaks, and have Bobby (because Shelley is somehow threatened also) help out,
and Dale, quite necessarily, kill Leo - to continue the chess game, and help
fulfill the Major's vision (unfortunately, I fear this means the Major is
probably killed - by WE - but his soul fills in the robed figure, and he is
shown entering the WL [or perhaps the robed figure simply is shown taking
him to the WL]).  Then I'd like to see WE, in preparation for his
own attack on Annie, and in his planned ascension to the BL, enter the
waterfall and invoke the poem "... fire, walk with me", which together with
all the recent deaths gives BOB sufficient strength to take over WE completely
and almost instantaneously (we should just have time to see WE's recognition
of the forces he has unleashed and the unfortunate fate which that spells for
him).  Then Coop, finally hot on WE's trail, confronts WE/BOB, and perhaps
with a little coaching from the Giant, destroys WE/BOB.  So cleansed in
the fall's waters, Coop and Annie do live happily ever after in Twin Peaks,
then, as far as we know - until the series is picked up by Fox!
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Thanks for the prompt response to my request for info, y'all.
I'm going to have more to tell to that reporter than he'll ever
want to hear.  I'll be sure to ask him if I can post the story
to the group, once it gets published.

(Last night's show.... WOW, huh?  I feel we're building toward
a climax, but I have a *strong* suspicion they're going to zap
us with a cliffhanger: "she's wrapped in plastic" then fade to
black :-), or even worse (not knowing who the victim/queen is).
Please tell me I'm wrong.)

--Fiona

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Okay...what have we got.

 -  Major Briggs shot with a dart gun by 'Mr. Ed' while walking thru the woods
 -  Return of 'The Giant' with a clear message for Coop when Annie mentions
     entering the contest which he will probably ignore or not understand.
 -  Everybody's hand shakink at a key moment with weird music playing.
 -  Catherine and her (not dead) brother finally getting Ekhardt's box open.

Can it get any more strange?
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Favorite Line(s):"It's your jet." " Thank God for that."

Amazing Revelation # 1: Just when we thought that Leo wasn't as stupid as
he was appearing, he goes and proves us wrong.

Overall Impression: One of the best episodes I've seen in a long time. It's
happening again. The feeling of impending doom, dread and foreboding that makes me want to jam my knuckles in my mouth is back. Even without the reappearance
of Bob, the camera work alone gave me some serious Lynchian heebie-jeebies.

Big Question #1: Who was the lady in the RR whose hands we first saw shaking.
At first I thought it was the Log Lady, but I don't think so.

On Shaking Hands: My first thought was nerve gas leak, but that was out of 
context, and we would have been warned had WE been up to something. Then I
thought, something similar to the way animals know an earthquake is coming,
certain people, sensitives, are reacting to an upcoming Great and Horrible 
Event, the alignment of Jupiter and Saturn, the Final Battle, etc. When I 
voiced this aloud, my sister provided the best explanation. "Oh, no. It's
just Bob, trying people on for size." The final scene clinched this for me.
His hand, reaching out, as if trying on a new suit/pair of gloves/BODY.
Who was the last person to have their hand shake? Pete, shortly before he
took Audrey off to trip to the woods. Hmmm...

Hunk of Metal: This didn't look like steel, it was a little too dull. Platinum
or some radioactive isotope both suggest more interesting plot lines.

The Giant: What was he trying to warn Cooper about? Not to let Annie enter Miss
Twin Peaks? Or not even to kiss her or get involved with her? And if the latter,why? To keep her from getting involved and hurt/killed or to keep Coop away fromsome danger posed by her?

P.S.Does Anyone have Bob Iger's address? My sister wants to write him and
I lost my copy. Email or repost, whatever. hanks.
--
Jeff Nanis            "My work is so secret, even I don't know what I'm doing."
nanis@ll.mit.edu

      Definitely not an official opinion which might get me put in jail.

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Let's not forget Harold Smith.  When Donna drew him outside his right
arm began to shake involuntarily.

- Alan Snyder
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asnyder@ernie.artorg.hmc.psu.edu

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COOO-ILLL!  **Spoilers ahead**


















Last night's episode was real good.

What was that black goo dripping in the diner?  Coffee or syrup?

How often do Saturn and Jupiter meet?  According to the scanty research
I was able to do so far, it takes Jupiter 11.86 yrs to orbit the sun and
it takes Saturn 29.46 yrs.  So do they meet every 11.86 years?

And when they showed that taped of WE at Project Blue Book, he was talking
about the evil souls and that they are called ______????  What did he say
they were called?  I can't make that out.

The symbol on Catherine's black box of the new moon (the white ring) made
me think of Cooper's ring.  Of course, then the giant appeared.  He's kind
of useless, isn't he?

And what was that high pitched noise in Ben's office?  All's I can think of
is that it was heard when the Major was abducted by one of the lodges and
also when the giant appeared to Cooper.

So, Cooper dubbed Annie the Queen himself.  

Thoughts:  (RS:)  Annie was sent by the black lodge to distract Cooper
just like in Pittsburgh.  Love seems to be clouding his judgement once
again.  BOB is going to either a) find a new host now that the time is
right and good old Leland is dead, or b) his time is up and his duties
will be given to a new evil soul (WE?).  Maybe MIKE used to be what BOB
is now and when his time was up he was moved into something else.

The black lodge won WE over during his stint at Project Blue Book.  They
watched him and converted him.  That's how BOB knew about Pittsburgh.  And
then the Black Lodge invited WE to come and join them as a BOB-like spirit.

Cooper (maybe once like MIKE and BOB) was summoned by the White Lodge being
that he is the only one who can possibly stop WE.  Knowing his weakness from
watching WE in Pittsburgh, the BL sent Annie.  If Cooper is unsuccessful,
perhaps he will be doomed to the same fate as MIKE, knowing WE but unable
to stop him.  Coop will have to sacrifice his love to stop WE and his soul
(or maybe just his life) to save WE and to stop BOB and the evil of the BL, 
at least until Jupiter and Saturn meet again.

Just my 2 cents.

--Cool Bean
-- **This is not cultural.

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In article <1991Apr18.012204.227@mac.cc.macalstr.edu>, 
sdbeck@mac.cc.macalstr.edu writes...

> >I just thought I'd put in my own theory on Twin Peaks and symbolism, etc.
> > 
> >IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING!!! And if it does, it's not intentional!!!

Cheeze whiz!  What a killjoy!

> >...In any case, my point is: symbolism on twin peaks doesn't really mean
> >anything!  I firmly believe that the "deeper meaning" of at least half
> >of the mysterious stuff on the show is just there for fun, and to get people
> >like us to have fun speculating...

So let _us_ speculate, already!

> >Some of it, of course, is foreshadowing of the plot, but TONS can be validly
> >interpreted in so many different yet plausible ways that saying it actually
> >MEANS something is silly. (example: give me an interpretation of the stop
> >light's changing color from last spring's shows...Better yet, I'd like to see
> >SEVERAL people interpret it the same way...(the gauntlet is thrown! will I 
> >regret it?)

Okay, just for the sake of argument, just because you don't find any
meaning in TP doesn't mean it's not valid for others to see it there.  Sure,
Lynch may not intend TP to have any meaning, and sure, maybe no two people 
interpret the show the same way.  But people have been finding meaning, 
even diametrically opposed meanings, everywhere, even in such acts of nature 
as eclipses, for eons.  It's a very human activity, and, as you yourself 
point out, maybe it's even fun.  If someone wants to read the fate of the 
world in TP, fine by me.  Who knows, maybe it will even spawn a new religion,
the Church of Cooper or something.  Maybe it will change the world.  But I
doubt it.  So I don't think you have much to worry about.

> >Anyway, have fun, but PLEASE don't worry about it...

Right, Mom.

    ** _My_ views, no one else's--except those I plagiarize. **
Karl Boyken, Project Analyst          | "It's so easy to slip, it's
State Health Registry of Iowa         |  so easy to fall and let your
Iowa City, IA   Phone: (319)335-9541  |  memory drift into nothing
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In article <1991Apr19.021241.6002@ms.uky.edu>, bud@ms.uky.edu (William K
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> > gone....and now this.  Whereas we used to have just a serial
> > killer to worry about,  all through the 4/18 episode I get the
> > feeling that something truly AWFUL is going to happen.  And as
> > soon as the giant showed up mouthing NOOOOOOO as Cooper said
> > that annie would be the queen,  you just knew BOB was going to 
> > put in an apperance...but if you were like me,  you figured he'd
> > appear in the vision.  But it looks like our favorite psychopathic
> > spirit has somehow managed to achieve corporial form...maybe he's
> > finally accumulated enough soul energy?
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I agree whole-heartedly!  This was certainly the best episode in a
long time.  It seems that they finally decided that TP is not a
comedy, and not to portray it as such.  That has been my major beef
with the last several episodes.  Sure they're funny, but they're also
rather blunt.  Last night, you knew that whatever was happening in 
Twin Peaks wasn't funny anymore.

What did Ben see as he turned around after Audrey left?
What is that silver cylinder that was in the box?
And who was that old woman in the diner whose hand was shaking?
That wasn't Margaret, was it?  I'll have to go back and double-check.
I thought Kenneth Welsh was exceptional in this episode.  Earle is
truly mad.
Also, I have to give credit to my friend John for calling the shot in
Leo's big scene.  Is he really that stupid, or is his brain mostly fried?
Did anyone else see his ill-fated attempt at revenge coming?  I get
the feeling that Earle is going to keep an even closer eye on Leo, to
make sure his next attempt doesn't succeed.

> >  I thought this was the best episode in quite some time,  and now
> > no more till June 10.  *WAIL*
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I'm crying with you, Bud.

-Steve

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At the beginning of last night's episode, when Cooper and Truman are
questioning the dead man's friend and Andy is crying, did anyone else
see a resemblance between the dead man's friend and Paul Simon?  Was
that really a cameo by Paul Simon?  Or haven't I been getting enough
sleep lately and it just looked like Paul Simon to me?

    ** _My_ views, no one else's--except those I plagiarize. **
Karl Boyken, Project Analyst          | "It's so easy to slip, it's
State Health Registry of Iowa         |  so easy to fall and let your
Iowa City, IA   Phone: (319)335-9541  |  memory drift into nothing
Internet: cmdbyk@pmvax.weeg.uiowa.edu |  at all." -- Lowell George

In article <4078@autodesk.COM> robertj@unreal.uucp (Young Rob Jellinghaus) writes:
> >AT LAST!!!  The event I've long been waiting for--Windom Earle came into
> >his own as a villain worthy of Coop!

Yes! A villain we can love to hate. (about time)
"What's the capital of North Carolina?"
"Raleigh."
"A fat lotta good *that'll* do me."

> >So Bob is returning into our world, eh?  Annie + Cooper = trouble?  The
> >Giant mouthing "no... no..."  Earle has the Major _and_ Leo.... the
> >Black Lodge returning to earth....

I think that BOB is allowed to come back as Jupiter and Staurn near.

-Matt
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Here's my two bits on what's ahead:

I don't think BOB will possess Wyndom Earle.  That would be too obvious,
and besides, WE is already actively pursuing the Black Lodge.  It wouldn't
gain the Black Lodge much to convert the converted.  A good candidate is
Ben Horne, given his past and his current struggle to be a good boy.  But
I vote for Harry Truman.  He's lost Josie, he's still in a lot of pain,
and he almost went over the edge at the Bookhouse.  Having BOB take over
Harry would provide many opportunities for menace and mayhem.  No one
would suspect Harry, and Coop would trust anyone, even Annie, in Harry's
protective custody.

As for the queen, there are even more numerous possibilities.  We can
discount Nadine and the blond receptionist, because they're comic relief.
Laura would be a good choice on any other TV show, because she's somewhat
peripheral to the main characters and is thus expendable.  I think we
can rule out Audrey; she seems much less vulnerable now than earlier in
the show and wouldn't be as interesting a victim.  Shelley is a
candidate, mainly because of the possibilities for inner conflict in Leo
and outer conflict between Leo and WE.  Annie Blackburn is the obvious
choice, because of Cooper's earlier loss of WE's wife.  But I bet it
will be Donna Hayward.  She's close to uncovering some dark secrets
hidden in the pasts of those around her, and forbidden knowledge always
has a cost.

So, I predict that BOB will possess Harry.  Donna will become Miss Twin
Peaks.  Cooper and WE will fight it out, while BOB/Harry disposes of Donna
in another plot line.  Major Briggs, one of my favorites, probably will
bite the big one in a last-ditch effort to save Cooper and defeat WE.
The whole Black Lodge/White Lodge thing will remain tantalizingly 
unresolved, and we will all wait to see if Fox picks up TP next season.

    ** _My_ views, no one else's--except those I plagiarize. **
Karl Boyken, Project Analyst          | "It's so easy to slip, it's
State Health Registry of Iowa         |  so easy to fall and let your
Iowa City, IA   Phone: (319)335-9541  |  memory drift into nothing
Internet: cmdbyk@pmvax.weeg.uiowa.edu |  at all." -- Lowell George

][

OK.  So approaching Fox to carry Twin Peaks might not be a Bad Idea.
However, who/where to do we call?  Can someone as eager in telling us
the address/phones/fax lines at ABC also let us know about Fox?

--

michael regoli
mr@cica.indiana.edu
regoli@iubacs.BITNET
..rutgers!iuvax!cica!mr

In article <1991Apr19.125827.627@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> xxmartn@lims04.lerc.nasa.gov writes:
 
> >All throughout this scene the camera is pulling back and we hear the 
> >"forboding" music.  That scene was *very* uncomfortable.  Clearly, those 
> >discussions between COOP and Annie were not meant to be "lovey dovey".  The 
> >"Blood" driping Coffee cup further shows the negative "air" about Annie.

Why do you think that ws coffee?! (too thick)

There were many plates on the floor and it was
obviously syrup. 

Anyways, that was a *marvelous* scene w/ that deep note
held thru the conversation and the kitchen door getting 
louder and the camera zooming out...chilling to say the least.


-Matt
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blojo@soda.berkeley.edu writes:

>> >> Then there is the hand twitching of the lady, Coop & Pete. Is
>> >> this tied in to the above. With everyone in the town being
>> >> drawn to the conjunction of the two lodges?

> >Don't forget Ben.  At the beginning of the episode, Doc Hayward is seeing
> >Ben about heart attack symptoms he has been having; Doc declares he is
> >in no such danger.  We may assume that Ben experienced a similar
> >hand-twitching experience which prompted the visit.

I thought this was all a precursor of Bobs hand at the very 
end appearing before the rest of him.  Conjecture:  does the
one armed man have any tie in here?  Also,  I now am assuming
that Bob can find safe haven in the black lodge.  But once he runs
there he can only escape when the time is right.  Or perhaps
if the time is right for a long time.  Can be out for weeks and needs
to get back before the door closes (sort of like vampires and dawn)

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martin@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Martin Wink) writes:

> >aaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh!

> >The BBC have cancelled Twin-Peaks in the UK.  In its place they're planning
> >to show, of all things, SNOOKER!

> >With enough backup I think I can get TP back on your screens within a few
> >weeks.
> >   martin wink...................

 They've already said that it's just for the duration of the snooker
championship, TP WILL be back in 3 weeks.

Greetinx, Richard

-- Richard Welter | "I spread disease like a dog" - Polaris / email:fwi.uva.nl | / or :swi.psy.uva.nl | Living in CyberSpace \ / The beards are back !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! \/ Amiga

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russelrd@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (MattBrockman) writes:

> >I think that BOB is allowed to come back as Jupiter and Staurn near.

Which according to my back-of-the-envelope calculations is
every 19.89 years or thereabouts.  And isn't going to happen for about another
13 since Jupiter is entereing Gemini and Saturn is entering Capricorn.

BBC

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The foreboding is back! The foreboding is back!

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In article <1991Apr19.053121.2703@agate.berkeley.edu>, sally@eris.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes:
Sally@eris.berkeley.edu writes

> > What's with the ending with the school, Great Northern, the police
> > station (and the hospital???) all emptied. 
> > 
I saw this a little differently...I perceived these as shots of 
doorways which may (or may not) have some significance to the 
shot of BOB emerging through a cosmic doorway of some sort.

BTW, I'm a little suspicious of JJ Wheeler's (damn that name is
familiar - has anybody gotten a line on that yet) hasty departure.  
Why would the death of a close friend result in the likelihood of 
his never coming back?

Well, the suspense was killing me - I looked up the name Wheeler
in the biographic entries of Webster's II New Riverside University
Dictionary and the only significant entry is as follows:

Wheeler (phonetic spelling deleted), Joseph.  1836-1906. Amer.
Confederate general & politician.

Is it mere coincidence that JJ Wheeler arrived following Ben's
confederate phase?

Connie

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I now believe Annie is *NOT* what she seems....

She is BAD (maybe slightly influenced by the black lodge)...

Recall the diner scene where COOP and Annie were small talking...

All throughout this scene the camera is pulling back and we hear the 
"forboding" music.  That scene was *very* uncomfortable.  Clearly, those 
discussions between COOP and Annie were not meant to be "lovey dovey".  The 
"Blood" driping Coffee cup further shows the negative "air" about Annie.

Also, I am noticing how Annie's involvement is causing COOP to veer off 
his quest to put an end to WE ( & Black Lodge).  She is trying to distract
COOP so he cannot move as quickly as WE is in finding their sources of 
"power" (WE - Black lodge, COOP - White lodge).

And lastly, the Giant trying to warn COOP away from Annie...he was clearly 
(IMHO) trying to get COOP to not let Annie become his queen.


COOP !!!! Drop Annie FAST !!!!



BTW, was the map shown in the WE scene (super-imposing petroglyph) an actual 
section of the US map??  Could anyone tell by looking at that map where 
Twin Peaks is exactly?   Just Wondering.

<><><>

   Man looks into the Abyss, there's nothing looking back at him.
   At that moment, man finds his character.
   And THAT, is what keeps him out of the Abyss.

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So Audrey fell for the old "I'm jetting off to Brazil in my private plane" ruse.
I hope she still respects herself in the morning. Thank heavens Wheeler's gone,
though. His has to be the most pointless character we've seen yet. Let's hope
he doesn't send any postcards.

When Cooper told Shelly, Audrey, and Donna to keep their parents informed of
their whereabouts, he seemed to forget that:
  1) Shelly doesn't have parents
  2) Audrey's mother has vanished into the ether
  3) Donna doesn't know who her parents are

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Matt Hefferman
BBN Systems and Technologies
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In article <1991Apr16.232200.10104@odin.corp.sgi.com> sjohnson@texas.vlsi.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:
> >
> >Well, I've been reading about this "paw print" long enough.  It is
> >definitely not a paw print, but a circle with four smaller circles
> >above it.  I took the time to freeze frame the ol' VCR to check all
> >of the symbols as well as draw them out myself.
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Well, it looks like a stylized paw print to me...  The symbols of the
Zodiac, for the most part, are extremely stylized versions of the object
they represent.  Other possibilities: solar eclipse with Bailey's Beads,
crop circles.  But it's probably irrelevant now that the box has been
opened.

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MattBrockman writes:

  All throughout this scene the camera is pulling back and we hear the 
  "forboding" music.  That scene was *very* uncomfortable.  Clearly, those 
  discussions between COOP and Annie were not meant to be "lovey dovey".  The 
  "Blood" driping Coffee cup further shows the negative "air" about Annie.
 
 Why do you think that ws coffee?! (too thick)
 
 There were many plates on the floor and it was
 obviously syrup. 
 

Young Mr Brockman obviously doesn't remember the Milton Berle/Martha Raye
comic couple the Schlumps. Hair curlers, house coat, fuzzy mules, and 
coffee so thick she had to snip it with shears. Cooper & Annie: the
new Schlumps? The horror of impending domesticity? Wasn't _Eraserhead_
about Lynch's fear of fatherhood? Whooooaaa. Questions! A new source
for speculation. Maybe Wheeler has made up the whole murder in 
Brazil thing to escape an almost certain dismal married life with
vixen-now-but-eventually-harridan Audrey. Kids! We've been looking
at this show through the wrong end of the opera glasses! 
-- davis@keats.ca.uky.edu Is this a long trip or a short trip?

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In a previous article, UN040377@WVNVAXA.WVNET.EDU () says:
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> >said: "Dale wasn't far away; the cave painting is an
> >invitation of sorts, telling us when the _______ begin." 
> >What's the missing word?  It sounded like "rebels" but that
> >wouldn't make sense.  This is obviously an important word; I
> >want to know *what's* about to begin.

I think he said 'revels', as in a celebration of sorts.  Perhaps this could
refer to an astronomical celebration or maybe even an earthly festivity such
as the Miss Twin Peaks Contest...or maybe both.

Keith
-- Zone motifs: Rats, peeing on lit trees, Catlicks, golf, aliases, dogs and squirrels, pink flamingos, donuts, hair color, abortion, mayors, gods and goddesses, ministers and mistresses, romance, Twin and Triple Peaks, sex, greetings and non-greetings, Penultimates, Zippy, lud, power tools, and raymond

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Well, it's all coming together.  The TP people had 2
possible ways to explain the Twin Peaks mystery: 1) science
fiction, and 2) mysticism.  Looks like they're going with a
combination of the two.  I would have preferred one or the
other, but I guess using a mixture of both isn't so bad. 
Especially when the episodes are as intense as this one.

Comments:

* John Justice Wheeler's leaving.  Good riddance.  I think
the thing about his friend/partner being murdered is
probably just to set up some new plotlines in case TP gets
renewed (fat chance).

* Wonder what the deal is with people's right hands shaking
uncontrollably?  We saw this happen to Cooper, Pete, and an
up-till-now unfamiliar older woman, all during the same time
period (all during this episode, that is.)  My first thought was
that this was some signal to certain "chosen" people that
something big is about to happen.  But if so, then why these
3 people?  Cooper would naturally be one, but Pete?  It
seems like the Major or the Log Lady would have been more
appropriate than Pete and the other woman.

* Mayor Milford told Lana that the Miss Twin Peaks judges
will be Norma and Dick.  However, I thought it had already
been established that they were Pete, Dr. Hayward, and the
Mayor. Or was that just some kind of selection committee?

* Poor, poor Leo.  I couldn't help but laugh at him zapping
himself.

* Did anyone else notice: Right after the scene where Ben
and Audrey are talking about Wheeler, Audrey leaves, then
Ben is apparently startled by something behind him, and he
turns around quickly.  They didn't show any more Ben scenes
after that, so we can only speculate about what it was that
scared him.

* About the drug that Earle gave to Major Briggs: does a
drug actually exist that makes one tell the truth?  Could be
a possible connection with Haliperidol.

* The puzzle box was kind of disappointing.  I had hoped
that it, or the symbols on it, would tie in to the whole
Lodge/Petroglyph story.  Guess not.  Or maybe it will in
some unexpected way.  What was the metallic object inside of
it?  And how do you specify any given date merely by
pressing two buttons, like Andrew did?

* The Mayor sure has trouble with microphones, eh?  That's the
second time.

* The Giant seems to have lost his mysteriousness and
subtlety.  In the past, he's always been vague or riddle-
like in his warnings.  This time, however, his message was
much more obvious.  If the Giant is a "good" entity trying
to help Coop, why couldn't he have been this obvious before? 
When Maddy was dying, I'm sure it would have helped Coop get
to her faster if the Giant had just said so instead of just,
"It is happening again."

* In the very chaotic Earle/Briggs/computer scene, Earle
said: "Dale wasn't far away; the cave painting is an
invitation of sorts, telling us when the _______ begin." 
What's the missing word?  It sounded like "rebels" but that
wouldn't make sense.  This is obviously an important word; I
want to know *what's* about to begin.

* Right before BOB appears at the end, there's a sequence of
shots of various rooms and buildings.  Here they are, in
order: Outside the Road House, the traffic light, outside the
diner, inside TP High School, a hall of the Great Northern,
the hospital (or the police station; anyone sure?), the chalkboard
with the petroglyph drawing, wind through trees, and then the
clearing in the woods where BOB appears.
There must be some signifigance to this series of locations. 
Unless it was just for some kind of dramatic effect.

* Now, when the TP Access Guide gets published, everyone
will buy it to check out the map of Twin Peaks and compare
it to the petroglyph to find out where the Black Lodge
entrance is, like WE was doing on his computer.  My guess is
the Pearl Lakes.  Wonder if the petroglyph also contains a
guide to the White lodge?

* Damn it, we've come this far, we're about to discover the
connection between BOB and the Lodges/parallel
universe/whatever, and we STILL don't know for sure what the
owls are!


Well, we've got a long time 'til June 10....


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In article <1991Apr19.064002.24069@nntp-server.caltech.edu>, tlynch@nntp-server.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
> > bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt) writes:
> > 
>> > >And as
>> > >soon as the giant showed up mouthing NOOOOOOO as Cooper said
>> > >that annie would be the queen,  
  
> > Startled the hell out of me, that one.  As soon as Cooper said it, I and
> > everyone else naturally said "oh, bad choice of words there...", but then
> > when the Giant suddenly appeared, seeming about as frantic as he can get...
> > brr.  (And of course, Coop's shown that he's not very good at figuring out
> > what the Giant means before...this is not a good sign for Ms. Blackburne.  
> > Pity.)

Whatever happened to the perceptive Agent Dale Cooper?  Are we
really supposed to believe that love is not only blind, but deaf
and stupid as well?  This after noting that WE is "playing off
the board", and realizing that his next move is now unpredictable?
Besides that, I had always wondered why WE chose only *3* queens.



Sue

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In article <1991Apr16.181228@Unify.com> raveling@Unify.com (Paul Raveling) writes:
> >
> >    --The final episode of the season (the one it looks
> >like we'll see in June) was directed by Lynch.  It
> >sounded as if Lynch more or less chucked the script
> >and winged it, coming out with a pretty wild episode.

After last night's, I'm expecting a pretty wild episode regardless of how
it came about!I just hope there's some shred of consistency left...

--
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I didn't record the episode, and I've forgotten the exact sequence of
events.  But, did the hand shaking start only after the black box was
opened and its contents freed?

Eric

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In article <1991Apr19.021241.6002@ms.uky.edu> bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt) writes:
> >
> >
> >
> > Well well well....you know,  sometimes I really wonder if
> >Lynch and Frost DON'T read this newsgroup.
> >
> > There's been complaining that the old feeling of dread is
> >gone....and now this.  Whereas we used to have just a serial
> >killer to worry about,  all through the 4/18 episode I get the
> >feeling that something truly AWFUL is going to happen.  And as
> >soon as the giant showed up mouthing NOOOOOOO as Cooper said
> >that annie would be the queen,  you just knew BOB was going to 
> >put in an apperance...but if you were like me,  you figured he'd
> >appear in the vision.  But it looks like our favorite psychopathic
> >spirit has somehow managed to achieve corporial form...maybe he's
> >finally accumulated enough soul energy?
> >
> > And what's with the shakes???

I thought the scene with the giant was both hilarious and scary.  The 
giant has always been very sedate, formal, etc.  But now when it's 
possible that something seriously bad could happen to Coop's love
he panics (? sort of).  I'm sure it was meant to be very serious and
spooky but the way he did it was very funny.  I want to put that part
in the quotes, but _what_ do I quote?  :-) [Note:  where was SDC?] 

It's also interesting that you should mention BOB achieving coporal
form (corporeity?  Look it up. :-) and the shakes in the same post
like that.  Here is what's going on (I got this from an inside source.
Ok.  Inside my own mind, but still it could be right :-)   Someone
has tampered with the cherry pie (blashemy!!!).  Everyone who eats it
(and that is almost everyone in TP :-) will get the shakes.  (Note the 
woman in the diner.)  These are the person's reaction to the strength 
that BOB is drawing from them.  Then when he had enough he was able to
achieve coporeity.  Notice that when he became coporal he came with the
right arm first.  BOB WALKS AMONG US.  (or maybe not.  We don't KNOW 
that he is physical.  It just looked like it.) 

> >
> > I thought this was the best episode in quite some time,  and now
> >no more till June 10.  *WAIL*
> >
> >Bud
> >

I agree on both points.  A very good show, but WHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

charles d. kincaid
statman@stat.ufl.edu     <-----#####   correct address.  NOT above.

> >
> >-- 
> >Dr. William K Glunt     | Are you ABNORMAL?
> >Heh heh nice ring to it!| Then you are probably better than most people!
> >U of Kentucky math dept | Are alien space monsters bringing a STARTLING NEW
> >home phone 606 258 8864 | WORLD?  from _The book of the SubGenius_

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In <10812@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> russelrd@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (MattBrockman) writes:

> >In article <1991Apr19.125827.627@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> xxmartn@lims04.lerc.nasa.gov writes:
> > 
>> >>All throughout this scene the camera is pulling back and we hear the 
>> >>"forboding" music.  That scene was *very* uncomfortable.  Clearly, those 
>> >>discussions between COOP and Annie were not meant to be "lovey dovey".  The 
>> >>"Blood" driping Coffee cup further shows the negative "air" about Annie.

> >Anyways, that was a *marvelous* scene w/ that deep note
> >held thru the conversation and the kitchen door getting 
> >louder and the camera zooming out...chilling to say the least.

Did anyone else get the sense they were being watched?  I knew it wasn't
Earle, but maybe a Lodge dweller.

sj

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In article <C20CE7CC40207774@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU> UN040377@WVNVAXA.WVNET.EDU writes:
> >
> >* In the very chaotic Earle/Briggs/computer scene, Earle
> >said: "Dale wasn't far away; the cave painting is an
> >invitation of sorts, telling us when the _______ begin." 
> >What's the missing word?  It sounded like "rebels" but that
> >wouldn't make sense.  This is obviously an important word; I
> >want to know *what's* about to begin.

"Revels." 

Synonyms: parties, bashes, fests, celebrations, drunken frat ceremonies.

Want some brew while you stand in that pawn?



-- MUDname: Sidera "...If I seem to give a damn, please tell me. I would University of Delaware hate to be giving the wrong impression."

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    One thing I noticed about last night's (4/18) episode, it was BOB's
right hand that first came out of the portal, and it was the right hand
that started to shake for different people, Coop, Pete, the older lady
in the diner (who was she?) Could there be a connection? Also, BOB was
standing near a black circle rimmed by something white, the black/white
color theme again. And the red curtain that the dwarf was kneeling in front
of appeared, along with the dwarf's dancing music.

    I thought there was some kind of noise just before Ben turned around,
startled, like something had appeared. Also, with the long shots of the
different hallways, I though I heard footsteps echoing through the
school hallway. 

     Let's hear it for Heather Graham, the woman I am going to marry!

     I didn't quite understand this plot with J.J. Wheeler. We don't even
hardly know why he's around in the first place, and then he gets yanked
with some flimsy excuse like a murder in Brazil. I thought it was poor
writing.

     Did we see all four sides of that metallic object that Andrew and
Catherine got from inside the mysterious box? I wondered if that doorknob
that Josie is stuck in was embedded in that metal object and given to
Catherine as a trophy or something.

Jeff Kouba
Dept. of Physics and Astronomy
University of Iowa
INET: jak@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu

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In article <1991Apr19.125827.627@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>, xxmartn@lims04.lerc.nasa.gov writes:
> >  
> > I now believe Annie is *NOT* what she seems....
> > 
> > She is BAD (maybe slightly influenced by the black lodge)...
> > 
> > Also, I am noticing how Annie's involvement is causing COOP to veer off 
> > his quest to put an end to WE ( & Black Lodge).  She is trying to distract
> > COOP so he cannot move as quickly as WE is in finding their sources of 
> > "power" (WE - Black lodge, COOP - White lodge).
> > 
> > And lastly, the Giant trying to warn COOP away from Annie...he was clearly 
> > (IMHO) trying to get COOP to not let Annie become his queen.

After giving all of this some thought while walking my dog, I come
to the conclusion that this person is right.  

As evidenced by my last posting, I first assumed the obvious
implications of the events of recent weeks:  that the giant
was warning Coop for Annie's safety (and could Coop really
be dumb enough not to see)?  Well, Coop is being dense no matter
what, but when is the last time TP was so predictable?
Why *did* Annie decide to emerge from the convent?

Sue

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In article <111@soda> blojo@soda.berkeley.edu writes:
>> >> Then there is the hand twitching of the lady, Coop & Pete. Is
>> >> this tied in to the above. With everyone in the town being
>> >> drawn to the conjunction of the two lodges?
> >
> >Don't forget Ben.  At the beginning of the episode, Doc Hayward is seeing
> >Ben about heart attack symptoms he has been having; Doc declares he is
> >in no such danger.  We may assume that Ben experienced a similar
> >hand-twitching experience which prompted the visit.

I thought the Doc was examining Ben for some insurence thing. I dont remeber
hearing anything about a heart attack.

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Since we have two months to wait until the season
finale, I just thought I'd ask a question that'll
trigger some thought:

If you were at the Franklin Mint, and you decided to
create a Twin Peaks chess set, what would the board
look like?  Also, who would the pieces be, and on
what side of the board would they be on?

Try to answer via E-mail, if at all possible, and
I'll summarize the results in about a week or so.
--
Jeff "Koganuts" Koga              1) "The 'Star Wars' Trilogy" by John Williams
Internet: 6600koga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu        2)"Dances with Wolves" by John Barry
Bitnet: 6600koga@ucsbuxa.bitnet          3) "Star Trek II:TWoK" by James Horner
Recommended CDs:      4) "Soundtrack from '^Twin Peaks^'" by Angelo Baladamenti

   Did anyone see SDC in the vicinity of the dance floor or the stage?
I have gone through the entire dance sequence 5 times and I failed to
find him.

   If he wasn't there what happens to the SDC == The Giant equation?
Sheesh, it really bothers* me when I find that what I thought was pretty
well settled turns out to be wrong.

   Thanx for the help.

*Bothers me in a good sense, otherwise why would I watch TP?

-Matt BrinkmanBrinkman@edseq1.llnl.gov

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Wow, what a show!   It's really getting back to the original feel of the 
thing.  Was it just my TV, or did the lighting seem even oranger, esp. in 
the Great Northern?   And I'm really getting fond of WE, I must say.  Love 
his deranged wit, prose style, sound effects, everything!

I really got a kick out of this shakes business--reminded me of one of my 
favorite movies, _Evil Dead 2_, where the main character's right hand gets 
possessed by demons and starts beating the tar out of him.....

I quite like the idea (sorry, I forget who posted it) that, with all the 
evil energy surging around TP right now, BOB has gained enough power to 
make his way into our physical world without the need of a human host.   
Maybe the right hand is some sort of focal point through which this kind 
of spiritual energy can be channelled in or out of the body--and that's 
the part of BOB that materialized/emerged first, twisting around in the 
air (at least it didn't start with his smile--brrrrr!).    Maybe the 
shaking spells are because he's been sucking energy out of other people, 
or trying to find a way in.....

****************************************************************
Time for the giant/dwarf ruminations I threatened you with before...

The red curtains came back in the above scene, also echoes of the MFAP 
music.  The giant also appears in front of curtains in the Roadhouse and 
on the stage at the Grt. Northern to deliver his warnings....So let's see. 
 After delivering his cryptic remarks, the dwarf goes off to dance, 
leaving the Laura lookalike to kiss Coop and whisper the killer's identity 
to him.  After telling Coop "it is happening again," the giant vanishes 
and is replaced by Julee Cruise singing about departing love.  After 
giving Coop his wordless warning at the GN, he is replaced by the mayor 
(another dodderer like SDC) muttering that "there's something wrong."   
The curtains would appear to signify the insubstantial (blowing and 
rippling) barrier that separates us from the BL world; and note that the 
"distance" between the evil occurrences and the world of TP keeps getting 
smaller:  Laura's murder has already taken place, Maddie's murder is in 
progress, and now someone (likely Annie) is going to be murdered very 
soon.  Note also that the warnings/clues get shorter each time:  the dwarf 
says quite a lot, the giant only gets to repeat that one sentence in the 
Roadhouse, and this time he only gets a single word, which he can't even 
say out loud.  I would think that this is a sign that the BL forces are 
getting progressively stronger, and interfering with the WL's efforts to 
help and guide the Good Guys (fits in with the general impression that the 
WL is a more passive entity than the BL, which promises so much power).  

But what about the other appearances?  The ones that don't involve red 
curtains, urgency, etc.?  Well, I'm working on it.  My best guess is that 
the curtain/barrier element is missing from these because they aren't 
associated with a clear and present danger related to BOB's attempts to 
raise the body count.  Think about the things the giant tells Coop when he 
first turns up--he gives Leo an alibi for the Banks murder, points out the 
essentially useless smiling bag, sort of warns him about the owls--the 
only really decisive thing is the bit about Mike being a BOB-detector.   
Coop already knows who killed Laura, which he's just forgotten for the 
moment, so he isn't given anything beyond some signposts that tell him 
he's on the right track to remembering.  The giant takes Coop's ring until 
such time as he can make all the connections that have been hinted at 
(completing the circle, if you want--a bit hokey, but what the hell...).  
When the giant shows up at the Zen party  in the Roadhouse 
to return the ring, BOB/Leland is there (and the giant doesn't get to say 
anything--does he?  I can't remember!), but sort of dormant for the 
moment--until he takes out Leland, that is.  Why doesn't the giant warn 
Coop about Leland's imminent death, given that he can apparently see the 
future?  Maybe death is the only way that Leland can be liberated from BOB 
once and for all and find peace, which would make it an ultimately 
desirable event.

As for the "you forgot something" remark about Audrey's note, and the 
"medical attention" bit, neither of these are urgent so far as BOB-related 
killings are concerned, therefore no red curtains.

So what about the dwarf turning up after Josie's death, with BOB in close 
proximity?  No hot ideas on this one.  Maybe he had something pithy to 
say, but got pre-empted by BOB, there being no curtains to screen him 
out....I don't know, I've sort of run out of gas on this stuff.

What's really bothering me right now is  why the WL would have 2 different 
emissaries to talk to Coop, or maybe just one who has 2 forms--can't think 
of any good reason for their existence.

Oy, I need to get some lunch, delirium is clearly setting in.  Don't take 
any WOODEN nickels, ho ho ho....
 

MVB
"She wants to see you slowly twistin' in the wind"--TMBG
Disclaimer:  Not my planet, Monkeyboy!

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