Season 2, Episode 20: The Path to the Black Lodge — April 18–June 09, 1991

In article <4059@autodesk.COM>, robertj@unreal.uucp (Young Rob Jellinghaus) writes...

> >Look, Twin Peaks has never been known for its consistency or its
> >willingness to explain everything.  And if Lynch bagged the script
> >for the last episode, I'm willing to bet my last cuppa joe that he's
> >going to pull a big old fast one on us.

> >There will be lots of things he never finishes, there will be lots
> >of mysteries left unexplained, there may even be a lot of stuff that
> >just plain doesn't fit with the rest of the show at all!!!

I'm sure you are right about having all kinds of loose ends left
dangling.  But I got the impression that we were trying to come
up with an explanation that would clarify things, regardless of
whether or not it is what Lynch et al. have in mind.  So long as
the Grand Unifying Theory is relatively consistent, enlightening,
and interesting, it meets any discipline's criteria for a 
theory.  We aren't trying to predict the ending, just trying to
make sense of all that appears to be happening in TP.

Carol

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In article <1991Apr18.210747.15556@cbnewsc.att.com> rjp1@cbnewsc.att.com (be here now) writes:
> >Okay.  Here's my .02 cents.
> >
> >
> >Owls -- I think the owls are simply guardians of some sort.  This is
> >  something I've posted about before (last fall).  The owls are the
> >  eyes and ears of the Black Lodge.  But I don't think it's inherent.
> >  The Black Lodge merely employs or uses them to its own end.

Well, with talk of sorcerors and such it would seem natural that these owls
are somehow used as familiars or for some other similar function.  They are
the natural eyes and ears of the forest. 

> >Chess -- Why does Coop even bother playing the game with WE?  Unless he
> >  knows that playing the game is safer than NOT playing.  Otherwise, it
> >  seems to be just a plot device to portray the recurrent struggle or
> >  theme of "good" -vs- "evil", "white" -vs- "black".  The game will 
> >  either be wrapped up with the final episode and WE will be dead, or
> >  WE will survive to haunt Cooper in future episodes yet to be written.

Coop must play the game of chess with WE because it definitely not safe to not
play the game.  It was made quite clear that if Coop did not play in WE's 
little game that WE would move for Coop.  However, I believe in recent weeks
the chess game has definitely been deemphasized.  I think the game was 
essentially wrapped up last night (4/18) when Coop said that WE was becoming
more and more unpredictable and when WE declared he was playing off the board 
and swiped all the chess pieces off the board.

Yes, the chess game did serve as an importance symbol of the dichotomous
nature of Twin Peaks.  There are so many examples of the black v. white and
things that come in two.

> >Windom Earle -- You'd think that the FBI would be out in force combing
> >  the woods and the entire Twin Peaks area for this guy.  Especially
> >  since they know he's already killed several people and is bound to kill
> >  a few more.  WE made a fatal mistake when he uncovered the Cave Drawing
> >  (IMHO) but he is unaware of this.  I think he intends to use Cooper to
> >  find out where the entrance to the White/Black Lodge lies.  After that,
> >  Coop is dead meat to him.  I think WE and Major Briggs already know
> >  each other, but perhaps by different names.  WE may end up killing
> >  the Major (or will try to).

WE is a big mystery for me.  I tend to subscribe to Coop's theory of universal
connectivity when trying to explain the motivation behing WE.  Whatever WE is
doing is part of a large master plan that he has been developing for a long
time possibly since the days of Project Blue Book.  I think he may have been
abducted and faced the Black Lodge sometime in the past and has become the
evil hand of the Black Lodge in the physical world.

I am not so sure that WE and Garland know each other.  At least not as 
acquaintances in the physical world.  I think they may have confronted each
other before as representatives of the Black Lodge/White Lodge.
    
> >Cooper -- If the series is to continue on some other network, Cooper MUST
> >  survive.  He may go down and take injury, but it will all be in the noble
> >  line of duty.  Annie, though, I'm afraid, might be killed off in this
> >  struggle.  This would serve to doubly-resolve Coop's intent of destroying
> >  WE and the Black Lodge.  I think he will succeed in killing or at least be
> >  instrumental in the killing of WE.  But even with WE out of the picture,
> >  the Black Lodge will continue to exist and exert it's influence upon the
> >  people of Twin Peaks.  If the series is to continue, this theme of White
> >  -vs- Black Lodge must also persist.  The Owls too, must persist.  Coop's
> >  going to have to make a real effort to trap WE or at least bring him out
> >  into the open.  Perhaps Booby Briggs will get involved somehow?

Well, another clue that tends to lead me to believe in the survival of Coop
is the five-year contract that he signed to do the show.

I think they have been building up and slowly pulling us towards the direction
which leads us to beleive that Annie is indeed going to be killed off in the
struggle.  I don't necessarily think that this is true.  If we examine Coop's
life it has been one struggle between good and evil after another with evil
usually triumphing often destroying the people that he loved and cared about.
It would be particularly tragic if someone as pure and innocent like Annie is
destroyed by evil.  I fear that if evil wins again like this that Coop could
not remain a stable human being.  I also fear that good may never be able to
triumph over evil.  Good can only obtain pyrrhic victories and draws in its
epic battle.  Overly pessimistic in my opinion.  I think this time Coop might
be able to prevent evil from triumphing once again.   

Naturally, while Coop may temporarily triumph over evil in any case, it is
clear that evil will always exist in some form.  It may not be the Black 
Lodge, but it is clear you cannot eliminate evil from existence.  Notice
how persistent Killer BOB is.

> >Leo -- I think the "monster" may eventually become free and cause the real
> >  undoing of his creator, WE.  Leo's reaction to WE's obediance collar was
> >  particularly chilling in the last episode.  He even spills his beer!  I
> >  imagine that Leo has only one thing on his mind, that being the total
> >  destruction of WE.  Even if it means his own death.

Yes, I think this seem to be a prediction that is coming true.  Leostein is
clearly WE's Frakenstein.  Right now he appears to be docile and stupid, but
I think Leo is gradually being made aware of things.  

I have not read the Shelley novel Frankenstein but I am interested in how it 
ended.  Didn't the monster and his creator die in a fire?  This fits the fire
symbiolism that is used throughout the show.

> >Black Box -- So far, we only have the gifted and the damned, their visions
> >  and their fears, and a strange Cave Drawing.  Not to mention a lot of
> >  carnage.  There has to be some kind of OBJECT that keeps the whole shebang
> >  going.  Or a set of OBJECTS.  What they are I don't know.  But, they would
> >  be or act like a focal point for the power of the Black Lodge (and White
> >  Lodge) to have and sustain access to the locale of Twin Peaks (and the
> >  world at large).  Maybe the Black Box with the astrological symbols and
> >  footprint is but one of these OBJECTS?  I think the Black Box is a time-
> >  piece of some sort depicting a time which has or hasn't yet come to pass. 
> >  It may contain something of importance inside it as well.

The Black Box clearly depicts some sort of astrological symbols which leads 
me to question the its relationship with the drawings in the cave with
similar if not like symbols.  Then I also have to wonder how Eckhardt and
Jones are related to the black box, cave drawing, Black Lodge/White Lodge
and for that matter how Catherine and Andrew are all realted to the matter.
I seriously doubt that this is an entirely unrelated subplot but the connection
is so far elusive.  What was that Catherine and Andrew found in the black box
last night (4/18)?  It looked kind of like a silver brick to me.  I still
don't understand why they couldn't break the black box open with a hammer.

> >Lastly, what might possibly lie *behind* the wall of the Cave Drawing?  It
> >  seems to me that there are other "unknowns" about this cave.  Perhaps it
> >  is a vortex or a massive "power spot" that receives and transmits psychic
> >  energies of those around it?  Be they people, animals, trees, sacred
> >  writings/drawings, and/or OBJECTS.

I thought that something was hidden behind the cave drawing, but I no longer 
believe that.  I think it is merely a map of some sort requiring
interpretation.  I am not sure how the drawing serves as a calender.  I am
not sure why I beleive this but a I interpret the map as to outline Pearl Lake
as the Black Lodge.  Pearl Lake was prominently mentioned several times in
last night's episode (4/18).  WE's computer looked like it outlined a lake. 
Another clue was the image of the red curtain in the puddle near where BOB
made his appearence last night.

If Pearl Lake is indeed a critical location it makes for an interesting one.
Wasn't Laura found washed up on the banks of Pearl Lake?  This would be located
close to the home of Catherine and Andrew.  It tends to bring the show full 
circle from the death of Laura Palmer to the death of the evil that caused her
death.

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I kind of agree with statement that WE doesn't scare anyone.  In fact he comes
of as a goofy comic book type of killer.  Not very scary on television.  It
doesn't mean I'd like to be facing a WE in real life.

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In article <1991Apr18.012204.227@mac.cc.macalstr.edu>, sdbeck@mac.cc.macalstr.edu writes...
> >I just thought I'd put in my own theory on Twin Peaks and symbolism, etc.
> > 
> >IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING!!! And if it does, it's not intentional!!!

Baseball doesn't MEAN anything either, but that doesn't mean 
that it isn't fun or that I shouldn't try to "read" something
into the players' performance.

There is an assumption you seem to be making that entertainment,
communication, meaning, whatever is formed in the mind of the
originator of the message and then it is "transmitted" 
(admittedly a Shannon & Weaver Information Theory word) undistorted
to the receiver who does not "interpret" that message in any 
way other than that intended by the sender.  This is a very
shallow view of "meaning" or communication.

Instead, why not view entertainment or any other form of 
communicated message as being emergent -- emanating from a 
sender and shaped by his/her own personal experiences and 
intentions for influencing the receiver.  The message can 
be shaped (or distorted) along the way (editing, broadcasting,
noise, etc.) and once it is received the person uses his/her
own personal experience to "interpret" the message consistent
with his/her own world view.

I have a friend who is a student in art design.  She was in town
just last week and talked about a presentation she made where 
she claimed that the artist's purpose is not necessarily to
communicate his/her own thoughts and emotions, but to trigger
the very individual experiences of his/her audience.  And from
the standpoint of the person viewing the artwork, she asks 
"How can anyone know what was in the mind of the artist when
s/he created a piece of artwork; how can one know what his/her
true intentions were?  Does it matter?  That the artist stirred
thoughts, experiences, emotions of an individual viewer, then
the artist has succeeded."  

I, of course paraphrase her words, but that is her view.  I must
also say that the prevailing thought in the Communications 
discipline (my background is in Interpersonal Communication
specifically) is that meaning is emergent, not inherent in either
the message itself.  Meanings of messages are shaped both by
the sender and the receiver, not to mention many ambient influences
during transmission.

Perhaps Lynch does not wish to comment *himself* on "what he
meant" because he takes a similar view, that viewing entertainment
episodes are also personal and emergent.

Just a thought.  Besides, all of this is fun.  So buzz off and
put us in your kill file if we are annoying you.  Otherwise, 
join us and have a bit of fun.

Carol

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In article <10812@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, russelrd@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (MattBrockman) writes:
> >In article <1991Apr19.125827.627@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> xxmartn@lims04.lerc.nasa.gov writes:
> > 
>> >>All throughout this scene the camera is pulling back and we hear the 
>> >>"forboding" music.  That scene was *very* uncomfortable.  Clearly, those 
>> >>discussions between COOP and Annie were not meant to be "lovey dovey".  The 
>> >>"Blood" driping Coffee cup further shows the negative "air" about Annie.
> >
> >Why do you think that ws coffee?! (too thick)
> >
> >There were many plates on the floor and it was
> >obviously syrup. 
> >
> >-Matt

Looked more like cherry pie filling to me.
Sharpie

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In article <1991Apr19.021241.6002@ms.uky.edu> bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt) writes:

> >But it looks like our favorite psychopathic
> >spirit has somehow managed to achieve corporial form...maybe he's
> >finally accumulated enough soul energy?

I think Killer BOB has finally achieved a coporeal form.  I don't think it
has anything to do with soul energy or the like but rather astrology.  Is
Saturn in alignment with Jupiter?

> >And what's with the shakes???

I think this may be reference to the shaking that the LMFAP was doing in Coop's
vision.  I guess its just some kind of indicator of Killer BOB's presence.

> >I thought this was the best episode in quite some time,  and now
> >no more till June 10.  *WAIL*

Yeah.  It really sucks having to wait until June 10.

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Excerpts from article <1991Apr18.210747.15556@cbnewsc.att.com> 
rjp1@cbnewsc.att.com :
> >Okay.  Here's my .02 cents.
> >
> >
> >Owls -- I think the owls are simply guardians of some sort.  

If the owls are "not what they seem," and they seem to us to be 
harbingers of evil, then maybe they actually *aren't*.

> >Windom Earle -- . . . may end up killing the Major (or will try to).

Congratulations! It certainly seems that WE considers the Major expendable 
after target practice is over. 

> >Leo -- I think the "monster" may eventually become free and cause the real
> >  undoing of his creator, WE.  Leo's reaction to WE's obediance collar was
> >  particularly chilling in the last episode.  He even spills his beer!  

I have actually begun to feel sorry for Leo. He is so damaged that he 
didn't realize the zapper could only hurt *him*, and wouldn't work on WE.
A mind like that might have a hard time coming up with new ideas for 
getting out from under WE. Horse's ass, indeed.

WE: "I think you've found your true calling, Leo." 

> >Black Box -- . . . There has to be some kind of OBJECT that keeps the 
> >  whole shebang going. . . . Maybe the Black Box with the astrological 
> >  symbols and footprint is but one of these OBJECTS?  I think the Black 
> >  Box is a time-piece of some sort depicting a time which . . . hasn't 
> >  yet come to pass. It may contain something of importance inside it as well.

Wow, you're in good form. Now what *is* that rectangular metal block?

> >rj pietkivitchatt!ihlpz!rjp1

--Lainie
  lainie@ingres.com

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In article <1991Apr19.022836.8407@cica.indiana.edu>, mr@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (Michael Regoli) writes:
> > ][
> > 
> > And, can we all now safely state now with Earle's excellent computer
> > visualization (petroglyph overlaid on the map of Twin Peaks), that the
> > Black Lodge *IS* the Great Northern?

NO!  I don't think it's the Great Northern at all.  But you may think what
you wish.

--Cool Bean
-- **This is not cultural.

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In article <1991Apr19.064002.24069@nntp-server.caltech.edu> tlynch@nntp-server.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:

[stuff deleted]

>> >>And as
>> >>soon as the giant showed up mouthing NOOOOOOO as Cooper said
>> >>that annie would be the queen,  
> >Startled the hell out of me, that one.  As soon as Cooper said it, I and
> >everyone else naturally said "oh, bad choice of words there...", but then
> >when the Giant suddenly appeared, seeming about as frantic as he can get...
> >brr.  (And of course, Coop's shown that he's not very good at figuring out
> >what the Giant means before...this is not a good sign for Ms. Blackburne.  
> >Pity.)

I don't think we can knock Coop for his inablility to interpret the visions 
that he has.  It's very easy for us as the quasi-omniscient viewer to 
understand what the Giant means when he says "Nooo!"  We know the winner of the
Miss TP contest will be killed by WE.  Coop has no idea.  In fact it is quite
reasonable that Coop has no idea as to what exactly the Giant was saying 
"Nooo!" to.  For all Coop knows the Giant could be saying "Nooo!" to kissing
Annie. :-)

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In article <1991Apr19.171950.24780@odin.corp.sgi.com>,
sjohnson@texas.vlsi.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:
|> In <10812@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> russelrd@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
(MattBrockman) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <1991Apr19.125827.627@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>
xxmartn@lims04.lerc.nasa.gov writes:
|> > 
|> >>All throughout this scene the camera is pulling back and we hear
the 
|> >>"forboding" music.  That scene was *very* uncomfortable. 
Clearly, those 
|> >>discussions between COOP and Annie were not meant to be "lovey
dovey".  The 
|> >>"Blood" driping Coffee cup further shows the negative "air" about
Annie.
|> 
|> >Anyways, that was a *marvelous* scene w/ that deep note
|> >held thru the conversation and the kitchen door getting 
|> >louder and the camera zooming out...chilling to say the least.
|> 
|> Did anyone else get the sense they were being watched?  I knew it
wasn't
|> Earle, but maybe a Lodge dweller.
|> 
|> sj


Yes, I expected the camera to pull back a little further and show who
was sitting at the counter.  There was only half a body shown.

Judy
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Will someone with the appropriate equipment PLEASE digitize the
Major's gibberish and run it backwards?

Who was the sad-looking man being fed breakfast by Hawk at the
Sheriff's Station?

Among Shelley, Donna, and Audrey, Audrey was presumably the only
virgin before 2020.  Annie may or may not be.  Is this significant?

Andrew seemed to have some foreknowledge about opening the middle
puzzle box, especially when he wouldn't let Catherine try pressing the
moons.  Where did he get the foreknowledge, and why did he smash the
last (but not the middle) box?

Things that jittering right hands might be associated with:
- Harold Smith's shaking when exposed to the sun;
- The LMFAP's shaking just before saying, "!kcor s'teL";
- BOB's *right* hand appearing in the clearing;
- Philip Gerard's seizure in the men's room.

UN040377@WVNVAXA.WVNET.EDU writes:
> > * John Justice Wheeler's leaving.  Good riddance.  I think
> > the thing about his friend/partner being murdered is
> > probably just to set up some new plotlines in case TP gets
> > renewed (fat chance).

Stop that.  If TP is renewed, it certainly won't be helped by
pessimism in our ranks, of all places.

If JJW is gone and Audrey is heartbroken, and if Annie meets her
demise in the coming confrontation and Cooper is heartbroken, then
perhaps we'll be treated to something we've been led to expect since
very early on!

> > * Did anyone else notice: Right after the scene where Ben
> > and Audrey are talking about Wheeler, Audrey leaves, then
> > Ben is apparently startled by something behind him, and he
> > turns around quickly.  They didn't show any more Ben scenes
> > after that, so we can only speculate about what it was that
> > scared him.

I'd like to think it's the white horse with a message for Ben.  "The
pine weasels are not what they seem..."

> > * About the drug that Earle gave to Major Briggs: does a
> > drug actually exist that makes one tell the truth?  Could be
> > a possible connection with Haliperidol.

Scopolamine is a well-known, real-life truth serum.

> > * The puzzle box was kind of disappointing.  I had hoped
> > that it, or the symbols on it, would tie in to the whole
> > Lodge/Petroglyph story.  Guess not.  Or maybe it will in
> > some unexpected way.  What was the metallic object inside of
> > it?  And how do you specify any given date merely by
> > pressing two buttons, like Andrew did?

See above; Andrew had some sort of foreknowledge.  I'd hardly say that
the box was disappointing; what do we know about the silvery object
within?  Nothing, so far.  "Mom!  Dad!  Don't touch it!  It's evil!"

> > * The Mayor sure has trouble with microphones, eh?  That's the
> > second time.

Yes; I thought that was a very nice touch.

> > * The Giant seems to have lost his mysteriousness and
> > subtlety.  In the past, he's always been vague or riddle-
> > like in his warnings.  This time, however, his message was
> > much more obvious.  If the Giant is a "good" entity trying
> > to help Coop, why couldn't he have been this obvious before? 
> > When Maddy was dying, I'm sure it would have helped Coop get
> > to her faster if the Giant had just said so instead of just,
> > "It is happening again."

Refer to an earlier, well-informed (but here unattributed) post which
talks about the Giant, as a representative of the White Lodge, being
hesitant about directly interfering with corporeal events (hence his
"cryptic and oracular" pronouncements to Cooper).  His "unsubtlety"
this time around should give us a clue about the urgency of his
message.

> > * In the very chaotic Earle/Briggs/computer scene, Earle
> > said: "Dale wasn't far away; the cave painting is an
> > invitation of sorts, telling us when the _______ begin." 
> > What's the missing word?  It sounded like "rebels" but that
> > wouldn't make sense.  This is obviously an important word; I
> > want to know *what's* about to begin.

Revels.  You know, keggers.

> > * Right before BOB appears at the end, there's a sequence of
> > shots of various rooms and buildings.  Here they are, in
> > order: Outside the Road House, the traffic light, outside the
> > diner, inside TP High School, a hall of the Great Northern,
> > the hospital (or the police station; anyone sure?), the chalkboard
> > with the petroglyph drawing, wind through trees, and then the
> > clearing in the woods where BOB appears.
> > There must be some signifigance to this series of locations. 
> > Unless it was just for some kind of dramatic effect.

Thanks for the sequence; it *was* for effect (and a good effect at
that).

> > * Now, when the TP Access Guide gets published, everyone
> > will buy it to check out the map of Twin Peaks and compare
> > it to the petroglyph to find out where the Black Lodge
> > entrance is, like WE was doing on his computer.  My guess is
> > the Pearl Lakes.  Wonder if the petroglyph also contains a
> > guide to the White lodge?

The TP Access Guide is available, according to an order form in the
back of The Autobiography of Agent Dale Cooper, right now from Simon &
Schuster.  See an upcoming post for ordering info.

> > * Damn it, we've come this far, we're about to discover the
> > connection between BOB and the Lodges/parallel
> > universe/whatever, and we STILL don't know for sure what the
> > owls are!

Well, the owls *seem* to be harbingers of doom, carriers of evil
spirits, and messengers from the Black Lodge.  Of course, since "the
owls are not what they seem," they're probably just owls :-)

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In article <1991Apr18.012204.227@mac.cc.macalstr.edu> sdbeck@macalstr.edu writes:
=>I just thought I'd put in my own theory on Twin Peaks and symbolism, etc.
=>
=>IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING!!! And if it does, it's not intentional!!!
=>
=>I came to this conclusion after reading David Lynch interviews, following
=>TP from day(week?) one, and watching a few movies, esp. Wild at Heart. I
=>realize that Lynch isn't the only person involved with creating the warped
=>ideas for the show--I've seen some interviews with Frost, and I think he
=>doesn't get nearly enough credit. But as for Lynch, he just doesn't know what
=>he's saying, and has said that he Doesn't want to pry too deeply into his 
=>work for meaning. 'Nuff  said? (of course not!--so here's more.)
=>
=>In any case, my point is: symbolism on twin peaks doesn't really mean
=>anything!  I firmly believe that the "deeper meaning" of at least half
=>of the mysterious stuff on the show is just there for fun, and to get people
=>like us to have fun speculating. (maybe I shouldn't include myself in that).
=>
=>Some of it, of course, is foreshadowing of the plot, but TONS can be validly
=>interpreted in so many different yet plausible ways that saying it actually
=>MEANS something is silly. (example: give me an interpretation of the stop
=>light's changing color from last spring's shows...Better yet, I'd like to see
=>SEVERAL people interpret it the same way...(the gauntlet is thrown! will I 
=>regret it?)

Although Lynch and company may not conciously decide to put symbols into the
show the simple fact of the matter is that they are indeed there.  Why?  We
really don't know.  Through interpretation we can take a little peek into the
psyche of Lynch and company.

I agree while the symobls may not mean anything significant or any one thing
it is worthy of examination.  It is good to hear what people have to say 
about various symbols in TP.  It is also a lot of fun.

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Guys, I hate to sound like an asshole here, but by jumping on Fox, you
would be doing more harm than good at this point. Keep on hitting ABC if
ya want, but not Fox. The best tactic now, as decided by LYNCH/FROST,
and passed onto us at COOP (at least SOME of us) is to hit the sponsors.
Don't bitch to them about how ABC has done the show in. Be polite. Tell
them you watch the show religiously and that you appreciate their
support of the show. Tell them that you buy their product(s) BECAUSE of
their support. If you have switched from a competitor's product, tell
them the name of the competitor. This will carry more weight than you
could ever imagine!!! Most of their advertising dollar goes to TV, and
if they know that by supporting TP, they are getting loyal customers,
especially NEW customers......

Besides, by hitting a NETWORK, if they don't pick it up, we're screwed,
but by hitting the SPONSORS, no matter WHO picks up TP, the sponsors
will follow, and TP will be fully funded. There will be a time SOON when
we can hit a particular network, though I can't say right now WHICH one
or WHEN exactly.

Anyone still SERIOUSLY interested in EFFECTIVELY working to save TP can
e-mail me directly  mt1z+@andrew.cmu.edu     and I will give you ALL the
info you need.

Mike

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In article <1991Apr19.113756.18146@grebyn.com> fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Oceanstar) writes:

> >(Last night's show.... WOW, huh?  I feel we're building toward
> >a climax, but I have a *strong* suspicion they're going to zap
> >us with a cliffhanger: "she's wrapped in plastic" then fade to
> >black :-), or even worse (not knowing who the victim/queen is).
> >Please tell me I'm wrong.)

Heck, it's been done before.  Maybe they won't show us who the _killer_
is.

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Operation: Pine Weasel -- Urgent Bulletin -- Distribute immediately!
 
 
 
Desperate times require amazing efforts.
 
In the ultimate display of positive consumer reinforcement, Operation: Pine 
Weasel is going to buy a car! (If enough peakers help, and help NOW!!!!)
 
Here's how it will work:
 
Each participating Peaker will send a $10 check, NOW, made out to:
 
Operation: Pine Weasel
The Great Northern
5979 NW 151 Street, Suite 212
Miami Lakes, Florida 33014
 
This is a tax-deductible contribution because Operation: Pine Weasel is now an
actual, bona fide, non-profit corporation.  Along with this check, send a 
self-addressed, stamped #10 envelope.  If donations do not reach a level 
sufficient to buy a car, I will send everyone's check back.  I will not even 
deposit them unless there is enough to get the car.  The car will temporarily 
be the property of the corporation, of which I (JC) am president.
 
I will then get David Lynch to fly here and give the car to the Miami Project 
to Cure Paralysis at a nationally-televised press conference, where we will 
go to great pains to get across the point that Peaks viewers are not your 
ordinary TV audience.  (Why the Miami Project? They are currently a very 
high-profile charity, they have tremendous press connections, and they're 
here so I can work with them directly to plan the event.)
 
Yes, this sounds crazy, but it will get us a lot of media attention.  I figure
we need 13-15,000 dollars to get a reasonable car, so that's 1,500 peakers who
are willing to kick in ten bucks.  I'll start by putting in $50 myself.
 
Our show is sinking.  We need to do some amazing things.  I've got more in 
store.  Please, put your money where your Special Agent is.
 
JC BOURQUE,
COOP Florida President
Director, COOP InfoCom Center
 
PS- Distribute this message as widely as possible ASAP, and please, don't shorten or modify it.  Thanks.
 
 
[Any questions?  write czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu
Bob BOB Cappel  COOP Iowa President]
--
Robert D. Cappel, Iowa City,IA  ||"You remind me today of a small
aka "BOB", eager for fun!       ||       mexican chihuahua...."
cappel@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu     ||               Deputy Bureau Chief
czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu     ||               Gordon Cole

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Has it occured to anyone that the metallic object in the box may be some
sort of

                        KEY???????????????

Mike

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In article <4977@dftsrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> dweissman@amarna.gsfc.nasa.gov writes:
> >Okay...what have we got.
> >
> > -  Major Briggs shot with a dart gun by 'Mr. Ed' while walking thru the woods
[stuff deleted]
> >Can it get any more strange?

For some strange reason all I could think about was when Nigel and another
guy dressed up like a cow in the ZAZ movie Top Secret!  I was just waiting
for a horse to come up to Leo's ass and....

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In the closing scene just before Bob came through the door
there was something shown on the left side of the screen above
the black hole (entrance to the Black Lodge?), what was it?

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In article <7353@spdcc.SPDCC.COM>, rdonahue@spdcc.COM (Bob Donahue) writes:
> > russelrd@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (MattBrockman) writes:
>> >>I think that BOB is allowed to come back as Jupiter and Staurn near.
> > 
> > Which according to my back-of-the-envelope calculations is
> > every 19.89 years or thereabouts.

  20 YEARS !?!?!  EVERY TWENTY-YEARS!?!?!?! (sorry about shouting.)

  Lemme see:
    20 years ago Ben and Eileen were together.
    20 years ago Windom Earle was in Twin Peaks because of Project
        Blue Book.
    This is the 20th anniversary of the Miss Twin Peaks Contest.
    20 years ago our lovebirds Ed and Norma and Nadine graduated
        from high school (or there abouts)

> > And isn't going to happen for about another
> > 13 since Jupiter is entereing Gemini and Saturn is entering Capricorn.

  I doubt that any astronomical events seen in TP have any correlation
  to the real world.  Just look at the moon phases.  I haven't compared
  them to the real world, but considering how inconsistent they have
  been *within* TP they can't match up too well.

> > BBC
-- Peter. wilson@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu ********************************************************************* * "A person is a person | "The life I lead would even * * no matter how small." | make a dead man yawn" * * - Horton | - Klaatu * *********************************************************************

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SPOILERS ahead for those who have not yet seen the 4/18 episode!!
^L
SHAKES: The shaking hands really intrigued me. Right away, I thought 
of seizures induced by rapid alternating flashes of light and dark, 
in this case spiritual light and dark, not physical. 

Then I thought about tuning forks, and how the Gifted could receive 
vibrations from the forces around them. (But the first shaking hand 
wasn't the Log Lady's, was it? Who *was* that woman at the RR counter?)
In fact, I like the idea of tuning forks a lot. Remember how Cooper 
described the puzzling clues as (drastically paraphrased) similar to 
a piece of music with missing bits: "I can't hear it yet, but I CAN 
FEEL IT."

GIANT: When Annie said maybe she would enter the Miss Twin Peaks 
contest after all, and then Coop said she would make a good Queen, 
the Giant appeared. Was he warning Coop to stop Annie from becoming 
the Queen, or was he warning Coop to stay away from Annie altogether 
because she is part of the Black Lodge (as conjectured in a previous 
posting; sorry I don't have the reference)?

OBJECT: In a previous posting someone said they were sure that what
passed in back of the red curtain in Coop's dream was a rectangular 
object. Was this the OBJECT from the Black Box? What *is* it?
The (un)Holy Grail? A key?

BLACK HOLE: In the final scene, BOB seems to emerge from the "other" 
plane, and stands looking into a hole in the ground: a black hole, 
ringed with white (snow?). The red curtain from the dream appears in 
the hole (reflected in black water?). There may be more than one portal, 
but this one was clearly ringed by trees.

BEN: What do you think frightened Ben Horne(y) so much?

--Lainie
  lainie@ingres.com

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Isn't the shiny rectangle another box?  Anyway I thought it was.

It certainly was a great episode.  Was the first time in a long time we
watched the show twice.  We used to always rewind the tape and watch it
again back during WKLP.

So we find out that the hooded figure is the guardian.  Unknown is of what.

Could Cooper's vision (in first season) with the dwarf, Laura and the red
drapes be a foreshadowing of his being doomed to the Black Lodge?  

But ya know, we haven't seen them donuts stacked in nifty piles in a long
time.


--Cool Bean
-- **This is not cultural.

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In article <1991Apr19.022836.8407@cica.indiana.edu> mr@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (Michael Regoli) writes:
> >][
> >
> >Two questions:  Why, suddenly, are the denizens of Twin Peaks getting
> >a palsy?
> >

I thought that the cause of the palsy was revealed when BOB
appeared, hand-first.

I just assumed that BOB had been attempting to acquired a new
host, and that each person lost control of their hand as BOB
tried to move in.

To Raise Another Question:

When we last see Ben Horne, the "vision" music is playing and
he turns and looks surprised.  Is it safe to assume that one
of the "visitors" (dwarf, giant, BOB, etc) has contacted Ben ?

> >
> >"There are many cures for a broken heart.  But nothing quite like a
> >trout's leap in the moonlight..."  
> >   --Pete Martell
> >michael regoli
> >mr@cica.indiana.edu
> >regoli@iubacs.BITNET
> >..rutgers!iuvax!cica!mr

Darryl Cate

cate@csc.ti.com

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of why the FBI would have been called in in the first place.  Really.
Expires: 
References: <5845@vela.acs.oakland.edu> <1991Apr14.230512.12772@rodan.acs.syr.edu> <5880@vela.acs.oakland.edu>
Sender: 
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Keywords: FBI, DEA, National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime

In article <5880@vela.acs.oakland.edu> rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:
bwdavies@rodan (that's me, or at least the other person who posts from my
account) writes:
>> >>Ah, but the DEA is now _part_of_ the FBI (i.e., not an independent
>> >>agency anymore).
>> >>
>> >>So Denise _is_ FBI, in a sense.
> >
> >Really?  Are you sure?  I could see DEA and FBI both being part of
> >Justice, but DEA as part of FBI is not anything I've heard about (not
> >that I keep especially close tabs on such things).  The FBI is
> >supposedly limited to domestic operations, whereas the DEA isn't.
> >When did this happen?
> >-- 

Yes, the DEA is under FBI control although it is still run as a mostly
independent agency.  The change came about around 1987 (or 1988) I'm told.

The strange thing about the combination of the two agencies was that the FBI
didn't want the DEA.  The FBI was afraid that by introducing the wonders of
drug crime to their agents they would lose some to the temptation for some easy
money. (As far as I've heard, this hasn't happened yet.)

Where you ask did I get my info?  From my forensic psych prof, who's an FBI
consultant, and a well liked one at that.

Oh yeah...one last thing: a definite and real reason why the FBI would have
been called in to assist at the very least.

The FBI runs what is called the National Center for the Analysis of Violent
Crime (NCAVC), which overseen by the Behavioral Science Unit of the FBI.  The
purpose of the NCAVC is to provide a 'clearinghouse' for violent crimes in
order to "consolidate research, training, and operational support functions
for the purpose of providing assistance to law enforcement agencies confronted
with unusual, vicious, or repetitive violent crimes." [Source: a handout from
the NCAVC presented by the American Society for Industrial Security: Law 
Enforcement Liasion Council, on 1 October 1985.  Handout prepared by Roger L.
Depue, Unit Chief, NCAVC, Behavorial Science Unit, FBI Academy, Quantico, VA.]

This means that the Twin Peaks Sheriff's Office would have contacted the FBI
for help the same way as the cops who handled the Thresa Banks case would have.
The reason that Cooper was sent in instead of just a profiling team (which is
what the NCAVC and FBI Behavioral Science Unit do) was that Ronette Pulaski was
found across the Idaho border which gives the FBI juristiction.

Now I hope that's the end of this question.

bwdavies.

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In article <16584@chaph.usc.edu> ramos@aludra.usc.edu (Luis Ramos) writes:
->The tatoos found on Maj. Briggs and the Log Lady were actually brands. The
->Cattle Ranchers of the Sky [Aliens] have been branding people to indicate 
->which ranch a person belongs to [Have you checked your birthmarks recently]. 
->The petroglyph is a map,indicating the boundaries of the various ranches [The
->map shows landmarks in addition to the boundaries].The 8 symbols of the black
->box give the 8 different ranches or tribes of aliens.Bob and Mike are two of 
->three brothers which own the ranch which encompasses Twin Peaks. The third
->brother is still unkown. There's a chance that it could be the hooded figure
->we see from time to time. The two used to be real buddies but their 
->relationship has turned sour over an argument which resulted on the burnin of
->a map of their ranch.
->
->Louie

You are truly brilliant.  I finally see the light:

-The twangy guitar soundtrack
-The big ranch among the pines
-The clash between good and evil
-The burning map
-The three brothers (one often absent)
-The patriarch, Ben

dang-didda-lang-didda-lang-didda-lang.......

it's...BONANZA!!

With women and aliens, too!

I can't wait for Hoss to show up and kick some owl butt!!

jimbo

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In article <1991Apr19.031800.7909@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, keb3@po.CWRU.Edu (Keith E. Bitely) writes:
|> 
|> In a previous article, bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt) says:
|> 
|> <stuff deleted>
|> >appear in the vision.  But it looks like our favorite psychopathic
|> >spirit has somehow managed to achieve corporial form...maybe he's
|> >finally accumulated enough soul energy?
|> 
|> I was thinking the same thing.  This was definitely a 'damn fine episode'.
|> The best we've had in ages.  While the previous 3 episodes have had
|> alot of quirkiness and humor (which is always good), this one had
|> that air of mystery and dread that I loved so much from the beginning.
|> And, yes, it did seem as if BOB was 'reaching out'.  He has enough energy
|> to put at least his arms through.  It seems as if he's really close to
|> being able to take 'human' form, if that makes sense.  That scene also
|> seemed to confirm what I have been feeling for a long time.  That is, that
|> nobody is BOB's host right now.  He's just been floating around as a 
|> spirit, appearing in dreams and whatnot.  However, I will concede that 
|> perhaps he was in Josie before she died.
|> 
   I believe you could see all of Bob's body by the very end (or at least his
   upper half).  But what was that red reflection in the pool or whatever?
   A very visually confusing scene.  I loved it.

|> > And what's with the shakes???
|> 
|> It seemed to me as if it had something to do with the syrupy coffee.  
|> Maybe the camera was in slow motion, but to me, it still seemed as if
|> the coffee was a little too thick.  And, if it was, then why did Pete
|> and that other woman drink it?  Wouldn't they know that this is not
|> the damn fine cup of joe that they had grown to know and love?
|> 
   I think the shakes where some sort of global reaction to Bob's 
   emergence.  Everyone who gets them starts to twitch in the right hand.
   When Bob is emerging(escaping?) from the gate/door/portal, he begins
   by straining through with his right hand.  It twitches like the others.

   Also, you could see the sympathetic reactions to all the psychic energies
   around in Leo and Major Briggs as the shook on the floor.  (of course Leo
   is half-vegetable and Major Briggs was drugged...)
|> > I thought this was the best episode in quite some time,  and now
|> >no more till June 10.  *WAIL*
|> 
|> I agree...*sniff*
|> 
   And maybe NO MORE after that... 

        TIM
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Lynch and friends had made six more episodes.  We've seen
four of them.  Are they simply showing the last two on
June 10th or are they making a real two-hour series
conclusion (I had thought that the original six episodes
were made under the assumption that TP would continue)?

Are they going to give us a real ending or just
a bunce of cliffhangers (that will never be resolved)?

-Vincent Huffaker
e-mail = ah314368@longs.lance.colostate.edu
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jak@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu writes:


> >    One thing I noticed about last night's (4/18) episode, it was BOB's
> >right hand that first came out of the portal, and it was the right hand
> >that started to shake for different people, Coop, Pete, the older lady
> >in the diner (who was she?) Could there be a connection? Also, BOB was
> >standing near a black circle rimmed by something white, the black/white
> >color theme again. And the red curtain that the dwarf was kneeling in front
> >of appeared, along with the dwarf's dancing music.
[stuff deleted]

You know, I thought that I saw that circle on Windom Earle's overlay of the
petroglyph with Twin Peaks.  That's what freaked me.  





> >     Let's hear it for Heather Graham, the woman I am going to marry!

I really, really like Heather Graham's character, but quite a bit of that has
to do with the fact that I dated someone quite a bit like her.

> >     I didn't quite understand this plot with J.J. Wheeler. We don't even
> >hardly know why he's around in the first place, and then he gets yanked
> >with some flimsy excuse like a murder in Brazil. I thought it was poor
> >writing.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.  I have a feeling that they do use a.t.t-p as
a barometer of the general mood.

> >     Did we see all four sides of that metallic object that Andrew and
> >Catherine got from inside the mysterious box? I wondered if that doorknob
> >that Josie is stuck in was embedded in that metal object and given to
> >Catherine as a trophy or something.

How did Andrew figure out the combination so easily?  And why wasn't Josie's
birthday a part of it?

> >Jeff Kouba
> >Dept. of Physics and Astronomy
> >University of Iowa
> >INET: jak@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu



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hough@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (sue hough) writes:

> >In article <1991Apr19.064002.24069@nntp-server.caltech.edu>, tlynch@nntp-server.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
>> >> bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt) writes:
>> >> 
>>> >> >And as
>>> >> >soon as the giant showed up mouthing NOOOOOOO as Cooper said
>>> >> >that annie would be the queen,  
> >  
>> >> Startled the hell out of me, that one.  As soon as Cooper said it, I and
>> >> everyone else naturally said "oh, bad choice of words there...", but then
>> >> when the Giant suddenly appeared, seeming about as frantic as he can get...
>> >> brr.  (And of course, Coop's shown that he's not very good at figuring out
>> >> what the Giant means before...this is not a good sign for Ms. Blackburne.  
>> >> Pity.)

> >Whatever happened to the perceptive Agent Dale Cooper?  Are we
> >really supposed to believe that love is not only blind, but deaf
> >and stupid as well?  This after noting that WE is "playing off
> >the board", and realizing that his next move is now unpredictable?
> >Besides that, I had always wondered why WE chose only *3* queens.



> >Sue

Well, I think he probably guessed what the Giant meant (of course, it's very
hard to misinterpret NOOOOOO!  :-)), but now he has to act on it. However,
after encouraging her to enter, he now has to say that it is not a good idea.
"Annie, don't enter the contest.  See, this extra-dimensional Giant that only
I can see says it would be a bad idea."

BTW, didn't Bobby say in the last episode that the entry blanks had to be
turned in that day?


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In article <3658@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu> hough@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (sue hough) writes:
> >In article <1991Apr19.125827.627@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>, xxmartn@lims04.lerc.nasa.gov writes:
 
>> >> I now believe Annie is *NOT* what she seems....
>> >> She is BAD (maybe slightly influenced by the black lodge)...
>> >> Also, I am noticing how Annie's involvement is causing COOP to veer off 
>> >> his quest to put an end to WE ( & Black Lodge).  She is trying to distract
>> >> COOP so he cannot move as quickly as WE is in finding their sources of 
>> >> "power" (WE - Black lodge, COOP - White lodge).

> >As evidenced by my last posting, I first assumed the obvious
> >implications of the events of recent weeks:  that the giant
> >was warning Coop for Annie's safety (and could Coop really
> >be dumb enough not to see)?  Well, Coop is being dense no matter
> >what, but when is the last time TP was so predictable?
> >Why *did* Annie decide to emerge from the convent?

Well, these are both possibilities, but there's also the chance of
something in between--namely that it's neither danger to or from Annie
that the Giant is trying to warn about, but merely that their coming
together is, for unrevealed reasons, an unfortunate "conjunction",
that they're, in effect, the human Jupiter and Saturn of this plot.
When they met, there was practically an audible >click< of tumblers
falling into place, and another one happened when Coop called Annie
the queen last night.  The "combination" that these two are acting out
isn't necessarily one that opens a happy door by any means.

This last part of the episode (much of which I found rather
lackluster, sorry), was great--it had the same sense of tragic events
moving implacably in their courses that the death-of-Maddie episode
did.  In fact, most of the best parts of the episode had that feeling.
Partners coming together: Annie and Coop, Shelly and Bobby, Audrey and
Jack, Donna and. . . nobody (Ben?).  The irony of someone finding love
at last, only to lose it in that moment, isn't exactly an original
plot, but it added a nice mournful element to the emotional texture
here.  (I'd say Donna's out of the running, since no one would mourn
for her.)

And the dread, as people have remarked, was palpable, reinforced by
those shots of the traffic light, the firs waving in the rushing wind,
the cameras drifting down empty corridors. . .  I think the succession
of images in the last minutes was a kind of underture, weaving
together these images thaty we've seen before as a kind of closure to
the whole series, establishing where we stand before the cataclysm, as
if all of Twin Peaks had arrived at a kind of hushed expectancy and we
were being allowed to savor it once before everything comes to pieces
for good.  

One of the remarkable things about this series is that a few simple
images have been endowed with this kind of pregnant quality, so that a
simple shot of the moon or the fir branches has an almost musical
effect--it's as if a mysterious chord has been sounded, or a sustained
rest at a surprising moment, in a nineteenth-century symphony.  When
it's done poorly, it's ham-fisted melodrama; when it's done right, it
can give you chills.

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Poetry ends like a rope" --Jack Spicer

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In article <1991Apr19.123636.1123@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu> jak@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu writes:

> >    I thought there was some kind of noise just before Ben turned around,
> >startled, like something had appeared. 

Like Donna, maybe?

> >Also, with the long shots of the
> >different hallways, I though I heard footsteps echoing through the
> >school hallway. 

Hmm.  Not me.  You realize that these gliding-camera shots are echoes
of shots we've seen before?  In fact, they probably are the same
footage.  We saw the ones in the hospital immediately before Ronette's
vision of BOB in episode 2001, and the shots in the Great
Northern--when?  The episode before Leland/BOB was unmasked?  The
night of Maddie's death?

> >     Let's hear it for Heather Graham, the woman I am going to marry!

Get in line, bud.  Is there *anyone* who wouldn't fall for a woman (or
man) who made the speech she made to Cooper last night (about feeling
safe, etc.)?  Dang.

> >     I didn't quite understand this plot with J.J. Wheeler. We don't even
> >hardly know why he's around in the first place, and then he gets yanked
> >with some flimsy excuse like a murder in Brazil. I thought it was poor
> >writing.

Getting some male hunkitude in the show, and also I think Audrey had
to lose (a) her fascination with Coop, to make room for Annie, and (b)
her virginity.  I'm not sure if they really got the freshly fucked
look they were obviously aiming for, though--Audrey didn't really look
like someone who was just deflowered by her true love.  But then J. J.
doesn't do much for *me* either.

> >     Did we see all four sides of that metallic object that Andrew and
> >Catherine got from inside the mysterious box? I wondered if that doorknob
> >that Josie is stuck in was embedded in that metal object and given to
> >Catherine as a trophy or something.

It's a puzzle box.  Catherine gets a black puzzle box.  It gets opened
to reveal another puzzle box.  *It* gets opened to reveal. . .
probably another puzzle box.  (Why did Andrew smash the second box?)

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Poetry ends like a rope" --Jack Spicer

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That in the last episode, we'll get to see Laura (and maybe even
Leland) one last time.


-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Poetry ends like a rope" --Jack Spicer

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In article <1991Apr19.095341.12408@pbs.org> mpax@pbs.org (Cool Bean) writes:

> >How often do Saturn and Jupiter meet?  According to the scanty research
> >I was able to do so far, it takes Jupiter 11.86 yrs to orbit the sun and
> >it takes Saturn 29.46 yrs.  So do they meet every 11.86 years?

Hey, no fair.  Nobody told us there were story problems.  I hate story
problems. 

> >So, Cooper dubbed Annie the Queen himself.  

VCRheads: anyone notice whether WE was lurking in the Roadhouse
anywhere? 

> >Thoughts:  (RS:)  Annie was sent by the black lodge to distract Cooper
> >just like in Pittsburgh.  

I hope this isn't true, because if something *does* happen to Annie in
the last episode (I hope not) it lessens the tragedy.  I'd like to
think Annie really is the honest, troubled, likeable person she
appears to be, just because I like the caharcter and because I think
it makes for better drama (as opposed to Spy vs Spy melodrama).

> >The black lodge won WE over during his stint at Project Blue Book.  They
> >watched him and converted him.  That's how BOB knew about Pittsburgh.  And
> >then the Black Lodge invited WE to come and join them as a BOB-like spirit.

I disagree.  BOB knew because he's BOB.  WE is (are? ;) *looking for*
the BL, which he presumably wouldn't have to do if he'd already found
it.  No, WE is a free-lancer who's looking to sign on with the big boys.

> >Cooper (maybe once like MIKE and BOB) was summoned by the White Lodge being
> >that he is the only one who can possibly stop WE.  

Again, I don't buy it.  Cooper is just too much in the dark.  If Coop
an WE are the "champions" of the WL and BL in this conflict, neither
one of them is aware of it, though bits of the story are coming clear
to them.  Notice that when the Major *started* to tell Coop or the
White Lodge, he was sucked up into the white light and on his return
didn't know what happened.  Could this be because Cooper wasn't
supposed to know the whole story yet?

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Poetry ends like a rope" --Jack Spicer

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Friday afternoon 4/19

This is for real, y'all: I just got off the phone from talking to
William Grimes, a reporter for the _New_York_Times_ who's writing
an article on the whole Twin Peaks sub-culture--due for publication
in the Arts & Leisure section on Sunday May 5th.  It's going to be
about Twin Peaks fans, the international impact of Twin Peaks, COOP,
and alt.tv.twin-peaks.  I gave him all the stats and other info y'all
sent me & tried to set him straight (we'll see... (-:) about how computer
networks function and what USENET is; and he also has a copy of my
article for the _TP_Gazette_.  What a riot, huh?  We may not get into
_Rolling_Stone_--who knows, that's too far down the pike to predict--but
we are definitely getting nationwide media exposure.  Just what you
always wanted, right?  :-)  

Hey--don't knock it--you can show the article to Mom 'n' Dad.  :-) :-)

--your loyal scribe,

    Fiona Oceanstar

(4/18 Spoilers)



I started feeling uneasy about Annie just after the 4/18 show and by 
bed time I'd convinced myself that Coop is in for big trouble here 
because I think that the Miss-Twin-Peaks/Queen/Giant-Issues-Warning 
connection was just TOO blatent and is infact a red herring. 

It started at the diner of course with that interesting camera work.  As
they get into their conversation the camera begins to pull back Very
slowly and the audio track emphasizes the 'detail' sounds of the diner.
The sound of a person moving as he leaves, the slamming of the door upon
exit, the spring creaking on the kitchen door, etc. also a low 'rumble'
starts and grows louder.  In the conversation, Annie reverses roles so
to speak by observing that something is wrong and asking Coop if he'd
like to talk about it.  They then sail off into engaging prattle about
their love and they just get happier and happier.  

The kiss at the end of the conversation adds to the forboding.  The crash
of the plates is a graphic reference to disaster and I noticed that Dale
looked about before going for the second, more intense kiss.  Dale 
Cooper has never struck me as the kind of guy who is ashamed or self-
concious about anything he does in public or otherwise (yelling SHELLY
JOHNSON in the diner for example).  

Annie arrived on the TP scene fairly recently, After the Black Lodge/
White Lodge and supernatural can of worms started to blow wide open 
and After WE's arrival.  She may have come back to TP (or been sent) 
intent upon stopping Coop.  She might be a host to a dark spirit such 
as Bob and the suicide attempt was her last effort in her failed battle 
(years ago) against posession.  She also might be under WE's control 
(he was there at their meeting) although I think that this is less likely.  
She's doing her job well.  Dale fell in love as though he were falling 
off a log and he's taking her I-need-someone-supportive-and-worldywise 
bait hook, line, and sinker.  Also, Dale himself has confessed that she's 
interferring with his investigations.  Evenso, things are coming to a 
head on other planes and she has to ensnare him soon.  She turned the 
tables at the diner and has really come on strong at the Great 
Northern ("more than your kisses").  The MAIN topic of their conversation 
at the Great Northern was seduction.  I think that the Giant was warning 
Coop about this and that the timing was coincidental.  Possible further
evidence is the Mayor's repeatition of "This isn't right.  There's 
something wrong here.", the audio track of which is carried over onto
the visuals for the next scene in another subplot - i.e. the line is 
given broader play to reflect a broader meaning.  Things are happening 
NOW (not the least of which is Bob's apparent arrival) and the number 
one guy representing good should be especially vigilant.  The chivalrous 
knight loosing his courage/reason to the wiles of a woman may be a sexist 
theme but popular all the same.

On the whole, things have just been going too well Re: Annie.  Their
falling in love was wonderful and I really enjoyed it.  We, however, 
are recovering from the blow of apparent true love and gaining that 
sense of perspective Cooper mentioned in the diner conversation a bit 
sooner than he. I've been glad yet apprehensive for weeks now 
about Windom Earle's glaring lack of malice toward Annie.  He hasn't 
mentioned her in any of his ravings and hasn't added her to his list 
of queens.  I'd have thought that once he saw Dale's obvious love for 
her that she'd become the one and only queen.

Well, this is just my theory, so far at least, but if true it surely
ups the level of dread.

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Just wondering... At the end of the episode, when it zoomed in on the puddle
that had the reflection of the curtains, was it just me or did it look like 
(a) there was another black object behind the curtain, 
(b) that the curtains were opening ?!?!?!!

just curious,


p.s. Call up the sponsors and tell them how you support their products, and 
that is because they support TP.  If that one lady could almost kill
Married with Children (which deserved to, but that's beside the point), then 31,000 TP fans could do a whole lot towards getting it saved!  
They kill a show because it has low ratings, so less people buy the product, 
so no one will pay big $ to keep it going.  Hit the sponsors where it matters...The Checkbook!

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Wonderful exposition of the whole BL/WL "battle." You people are to be
congratulated! I have a couple of thoughts, though.
--If the "Owls are not what them seem," and they SEEM to be acting/
flying for the forces of evil, couldn't they be actually harbingers
of good? or at least wisdom? Anyone notice Windom and "wisdom" have only
one letter different? If the cosmic chess game between Coop and WE was
so symbolic, how did we get our metaphors so mixed up that we need FOUR
queens to be complete? About the shaking hands...didn't Mike say say
something earlier about having to cut off his arm to be free of the
evil (BOB-type)? If so, and this goes along with what several of you were
saying, does the fact that all these people having shaking right hands
portend >some< sort of possible possession? In the Judeo-Christian
mythos we are instructed, "If thy right hand offend thee, cut it off",
are we not? Also, didn't one of the Judeo-Christian mythic characters
act as "the right hand of God"? What could all this mean in TP? About
black vs. white, many of you have said what I believe, and what much
of the Eastern mythos believes: that there is no inherent GOOD or BAD,
but rather, like the God of the Old Testament, and like the Tree of
the Knowledge of Good and Evil, there is only one sphere, turning to
show or conceal its other side. Knowledge/wisdom IS. That's all. It
isn't good or bad, it just IS. Perhaps all the talk about the "dark
side of the moon" and eclipses is saying something about not only
the duality of everything, but also about the singularity/universality/
at-one-ment of everything? 

Just some thoughts that have been brewing. Now it's your turn.

Peace,
Rosi

ROSIMCG@OAVAX,CSUCHICO.EDU

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In article <1991Apr19.022836.8407@cica.indiana.edu> mr@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (Michael Regoli) writes:
> >"There are many cures for a broken heart.  But nothing quite like a
> >trout's leap in the moonlight..."  
> >   --Pete Martell

Yeah, when he said this, I thought that Pete would know.  He's been
fishing trying to get over Catherine for so many years....

> >mr@cica.indiana.edu
--
Rob Jellinghaus                 | "Next time you see a lie being spread or
Autodesk, Inc.                  |  a bad decision being made out of sheer
robertj@Autodesk.COM            |  ignorance, pause, and think of hypertext."
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In <111@soda> blojo@soda.berkeley.edu writes:

>> >> Then there is the hand twitching of the lady, Coop & Pete. Is
>> >> this tied in to the above. With everyone in the town being
>> >> drawn to the conjunction of the two lodges?
> >Don't forget Ben.  At the beginning of the episode, Doc Hayward is seeing
> >Ben about heart attack symptoms he has been having; Doc declares he is
> >in no such danger.  We may assume that Ben experienced a similar
> >hand-twitching experience which prompted the visit.

While I was watching it, I assumed the shaking was an effect of the
awesome power which also caused the opening for Bob.  "When Jupiter and
Saturn align (sic) they will receive you".  Sort of a dichotomy force
collision effect of some sort, maybe?

Maybe not.

sj

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In <1991Apr19.145851.20464@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> krol@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Ed Krol) writes:

>> >>Don't forget Ben.  At the beginning of the episode, Doc Hayward is seeing
>> >>Ben about heart attack symptoms he has been having; Doc declares he is
>> >>in no such danger.  We may assume that Ben experienced a similar
>> >>hand-twitching experience which prompted the visit.

> >I thought this was all a precursor of Bobs hand at the very 
> >end appearing before the rest of him.  Conjecture:  does the
> >one armed man have any tie in here?

Two things about the OAM:
  1) Earle looked an AWFUL lot like Gerard in the scene with
     the Major.  Especially with that black turtleneck and
     the hair.  I wouldn't have noticed except I re-watched
     1000 and 1001 last night.
  2) Maybe the OAM decided not to return to the black lodge
     once he saw the "face of God" and is now sort of
     roaming.
    
sj

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Alan Snyder (asnyder@ernie.artorg.hmc.psu.edu) writes:

> >Let's not forget Harold Smith.  When Donna drew him outside his right
> >arm began to shake involuntarily.

Did Harold live in a wooden/frame house? 
For some reason I remember wood paneling.

A similarity in the protection the Loglady's home provided?

sharon

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In article <1991Apr19.125827.627@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> xxmartn@lims04.lerc.nasa.gov writes:
 
> >Recall the diner scene where COOP and Annie were small talking...
> >All throughout this scene the camera is pulling back and we hear the 
> >"forboding" music.  That scene was *very* uncomfortable.  Clearly, those 
> >discussions between COOP and Annie were not meant to be "lovey dovey".  The 
> >"Blood" driping Coffee cup further shows the negative "air" about Annie.

Feh.  The way I see it, they really are innocents in love in a dark
and dangerous world.  Their love is not enough to stave off the
evil that surrounds them.  But that doesn't mean they aren't sincere
and pure!

> >And lastly, the Giant trying to warn COOP away from Annie...he was clearly 
> >(IMHO) trying to get COOP to not let Annie become his queen.

No, no.  He was simply saying "NO!  Don't let Annie enter the Miss TP
contest!"  Followed by a shot of Windom that clued Coop into what is
going on with the petroglyph.  But the Giant wasn't slamming Annie,
just the idea that Annie might enter the contest.

--
Rob Jellinghaus                 | "Next time you see a lie being spread or
Autodesk, Inc.                  |  a bad decision being made out of sheer
robertj@Autodesk.COM            |  ignorance, pause, and think of hypertext."
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In <C20CE7CC40207774@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU> UN040377@WVNVAXA.WVNET.EDU writes:

> >* Now, when the TP Access Guide gets published, everyone
> >will buy it to check out the map of Twin Peaks and compare
> >it to the petroglyph to find out where the Black Lodge
> >entrance is, like WE was doing on his computer.  My guess is
> >the Pearl Lakes.

Well, I assumed that is what/where Bob stepped through.  It was,
appropriately, in the middle of the Woods.  (But what was that
light?)

> >                  Wonder if the petroglyph also contains a
> >guide to the White lodge?

On one of Earle's computer screens, he had zoomed in on
the circle of trees.  I feel this is important, maybe
having to do with the White Lodge, even though I think no one
has mentioned the White Lodge ever except Hawk about ten
episodes ago (is this true guys?)

sj

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In <1991Apr19.094745.1@si194b.llnl.gov> brinkman@si194b.llnl.gov writes:


> >   Did anyone see SDC in the vicinity of the dance floor or the stage?
> >I have gone through the entire dance sequence 5 times and I failed to
> >find him.

> >   If he wasn't there what happens to the SDC == The Giant equation?
> >Sheesh, it really bothers* me when I find that what I thought was pretty
> >well settled turns out to be wrong.

> >   Thanx for the help.

> >*Bothers me in a good sense, otherwise why would I watch TP?

> >-Matt Brinkman

I think maybe this was an emergency situation for the Giant, and
entered the next closest host (the Mayor).  Pretty close match,
I'd say.

sj

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Hmm, did you notice that Windom's computer screen
zoomed in on the larger figure in the petroglyph's
upper left chest??

And, that there were a couple of boxes drawn there??

And, that Windom started talking about the Major??

And, that that petroglyph may be a rep. of the Major
because of the Medals==Rectangles on the petroglyph??

-Matt
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In article <C20CE7CC40207774@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU> UN040377@WVNVAXA.WVNET.EDU writes:
> >* Wonder what the deal is with people's right hands shaking
> >uncontrollably?  We saw this happen to Cooper, Pete, and an
> >up-till-now unfamiliar older woman, all during the same time
> >period (all during this episode, that is.)  My first thought was
> >that this was some signal to certain "chosen" people that
> >something big is about to happen.  But if so, then why these
> >3 people?  Cooper would naturally be one, but Pete?  It
> >seems like the Major or the Log Lady would have been more
> >appropriate than Pete and the other woman.

Maybe Windom pulled a trick out of The Joker's handbook (no pun 
intended.....right!) and is filtering something into the water 
supply that affects older folks....
 
> >* Poor, poor Leo.  I couldn't help but laugh at him zapping
> >himself.

CLASSIC SCENE!!!

> >* Did anyone else notice: Right after the scene where Ben
> >and Audrey are talking about Wheeler, Audrey leaves, then
> >Ben is apparently startled by something behind him, and he
> >turns around quickly.  They didn't show any more Ben scenes
> >after that, so we can only speculate about what it was that
> >scared him.

An owl coming out of the fireplace, maybe....?

> >* The puzzle box was kind of disappointing.  I had hoped
> >that it, or the symbols on it, would tie in to the whole
> >Lodge/Petroglyph story.  Guess not.  Or maybe it will in
> >some unexpected way.  What was the metallic object inside of
> >it?  And how do you specify any given date merely by
> >pressing two buttons, like Andrew did?

He pressed 4 buttons for each date...mo/day/year (e.g. 4/2/91)

> >* In the very chaotic Earle/Briggs/computer scene, Earle
> >said: "Dale wasn't far away; the cave painting is an
> >invitation of sorts, telling us when the _______ begin." 
> >What's the missing word?  It sounded like "rebels" but that
> >wouldn't make sense.  This is obviously an important word; I
> >want to know *what's* about to begin.

"...when the REVELS begin."  WE obviously is looking forward to 
this "apocalypse" as a "celebration" of his finding the BL.

-- Ed 

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I got so many requests for more info to my post about how NOT to call
Fox, but how TO actually be effective. Here is the info. If you think
anything is missing or can be improved upon, e-mail me at   
mt1z+@andrew.cmu.edu

Goal: Convince the advertisers, through positive reinforcement, that it
was a good business decision to sponsor Peaks, and urge them to help get
the show re-signed.

Action: 1) Buy their products. Send the label, package, UPC bar code,
register receipt, or some other kind of proof of purchase with your
letter.
        2) Switch from the products you currently use to their products
and tell them which ones you dropped.
        3) If the product they sell is irrelevant to you, tell them you
appreciate their sponsorship of high-quality programming, and will
recommend their products to other people.
        4) Ask them to pressure ABC to return the show to the air. (If
they get enough letters, with proof-of-purchase, they'll be applying
heavy pressure themselves).

Background: Advertisers spend enormous sums of money trying to reach the
"Upscale, discriminating consumer with discretionary income." Every form
of advertising media claims to be able to reach this audience, and
mountains of research is generated to attempt to prove (or disprove)
these claims. There is no better way for us to prove our point than to
write to the advertisers, show them that we're the audience they are
trying to reach, and then say, "I'm buying your products EXPRESSLY
BECAUSE you placed your advertising on Twin Peaks."

Below is a listing of the heaviest advertisers on TP, and several
versions of a letter for you to send to them. Use the appropriate letter
and send it to as many of them as possible, modifying the letter as
necessary to reflect your actual purchase/ proof enclosed circumstances.
This is a critical part of the campaign because the advertisers have
considerably more influence than we do. One call from a VP of Marketing
can take the place of THOUSANDS of our letters. Consequently, the
following "Twin Peaks" advertisers are being considered for membership
in the "bookhouse Boys". Please tell them what great folks they are.

Mr. Zack Manna
Director of Advertising
AT&T
550 Madison Avenue
NY, NY 10022-3297

Mr. George Rodriguez
Director of Advertising
U S Sprint Communications
8140 Ward Parkway
Kansas City, MO 64114-8417

Mr. Matthew Howard
Vice President, Advertising
Sears, Roebuck, and Company
233 S. Wacker
Chicago, IL 60684

Mr. Dennis Mckee
Vice President, Marketing, USA
Burger King Corporation
17777 Old Cutler Road
Miami, FL 33157

Mr. Remy Heynesfeld
PR/ Advertising
Smithline/ Beecham
1 Franklin Plaza
Philadelphia, PA 19101
    Aqua Fresh Toothpaste, Massengil feminine
    products, Oxy acne medications, Contac, N'ICE,
    Sine-off, Sominex, Sucrets, Tums, Vivarin

Mr. John T. Gould
Vice President, Marketing
Unilever
390 Park Avenue
NY, NY 10022
    Surf, All, Wisk, Snuggle, Final Touch, Sunlight,
    Dove, Caress, Lux, Lifebuoy, Rinso

Mr. Bud Hamilton
General Marketing Services
Proctor and Gamble
P. O. Box 599
Cincinnati, OH 45201
    Ivory, Tide, Luv's, Bounty, too many more to name

Ms. Sandy Trebon
Assistant Media Manager
Coors Brewing Company
NH 442
Golden, CO 80401

Mr. Daniel Abraham
Slim-Fast Foods
919 Third Avenue
NY, NY 10022

Mr. Renald Rooney
Corporate Marketing Manager
Toyota Motor Sales
19001 S. Western Avenue
Torrance, CA 90509

Mr. T. J. Wagner
Vice President/ General Manager
Ford Division
300 Renaissance Center
P. O. Box 43301
Detroit, MI 48243

Mr. Torre
Assistant General Sales Manager, Marketing
Cadillac Motorcar Division
2860 Clark St.
Detroit, MI 48232

Another good way to fight cancellation is by supporting COOP through
your purchase of the official COOP T-shirt by sending $15 to:
COOP PT 1
The Great Northern
5979 NW 151 Street, Suite 212
Miami Lakes, FL 33014

These are great T-shirts. They are XL black, with white lettering. The
front has our COOP logo (C, two doughnuts, P) across the chest, the
dancing dwarf on the belly. The back says across the shoulder blades
"All we are saying...is give Peaks a chance."

And above all, start a COOP chapter in your own area. If you're not sure
if there is one already, e-mail me and I'll tell you.

To get your starter kit, contact Michael Caputo, National Director, at:
COOP, National HQ
The Great Northern
4532 19th Street North
Arlington, VA 22207

Or call him at (202) 342-7247.

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Who the heck is that "Cappy" kid?

Looks like Truman's son. (another relative actor?)

-Matt
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In article <44975@muvms3.bitnet> swk004@muvms3.bitnet writes:
> >
> >BTW, I'm a little suspicious of JJ Wheeler's (damn that name is
> >familiar - has anybody gotten a line on that yet) hasty departure.  
> >Why would the death of a close friend result in the likelihood of 
> >his never coming back?


When Wheeler says a friend has been killed and he has to leave for 
Brazil right away, I thought, "Yow!  J.J. Wheeler is a friend of 
*Chico Mendes*???" 

For those of you who haven't read _The World Is Burning_ or _The 
Burning Season: The Murder of Chico Mendes and the Fight for the 
Amazon Rain Forest_, Mendes was the organizer of the rubber tappers 
union, and was actively and aggressively working to get the 
Brazilian government to prevent forest clearance.  He was murdered 
two years ago by hired hands of a ranching family who had a vested 
interest in continuing the clearing and burning of vast tracts of 
the rain forest. 

Believe me, if J.J. Wheeler was going to Brazil to take up where 
Mendes (or his fictional counterpart) left off, he probably *won't* 
come back, because he'll be murdered.  Remember: Wheeler is an 
environmental activist.

By the way, I thought for the first time that Wheeler was rather 
charming.  The wry expression on his face and the way he rolled 
his eyes as Audrey marched with determination into the plane 
made me laugh.  

It reminded me of a scene from the movie _Sweet Bird of Youth_ when 
the aging actress insists that her young lover (Paul Newman) stay 
inside on a lovely summer afternoon and make love.  Newman wore a 
haunted look suggesting a little boy who'd MUCH rather go outside 
and ride his bike. 


--Barbara  


 
-- Barbara Hlavin Death has always been a negative life style twain@milton.u.washington.educhange nobody thought could be sold, but I differ.

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In article <5588@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> cmdbyk@pmvax.weeg.uiowa.edu writes:
> >At the beginning of last night's episode, when Cooper and Truman are
> >questioning the dead man's friend and Andy is crying, did anyone else
> >see a resemblance between the dead man's friend and Paul Simon?  Was
> >that really a cameo by Paul Simon?  Or haven't I been getting enough
> >sleep lately and it just looked like Paul Simon to me?

Get some sleep...

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In article <1991Apr19.184438.24569@swbatl.sbc.com> jjj@sw1a6.UUCP (Joyan Jackson) writes:
> >In the closing scene just before Bob came through the door
> >there was something shown on the left side of the screen above
> >the black hole (entrance to the Black Lodge?), what was it?

YES!!! Someone with a VCR PLEASE post this if you know it.

As soon as the camera moved in on the clearing in the woods, I 
jumped up and got real close to the TV to see what had appeared 
on the LEFT side of the screen, and then the image of BOB's arm 
began to appear on the right side of the screen. Then they went to 
a cclose up of BOB's arm, and finally his corporial emergence.

WHAT WAS THAT ON THE LEFT SIDE??? An owl maybe???

Someone do us VCR-less folks right...

Thanx

-- Ed
 

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In article <1991Apr19.123636.1123@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu> jak@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu writes:
> >     Let's hear it for Heather Graham, the woman I am going to marry!

      And while we are at it, let's hear it for Madchen Amick, the woman I
      am going to marry!!

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   First many plaudits to Bernie Roehl for his elegant analysis of the
Twin Peaks mythos.  Very nicely done and oh so beautiful.

   What follows is an attempt on my part to add an additional stone to 
path.  I had thought out a lot of this before, but a recent posting by
Rich Haller helped to crystallize my ideas.

   As Rich Haller has recently pointed out, approaching the TP universe
with a good vs. evil filter is contrary to the Buddhist belief system.  
Furthermore, since Cooper views Tibet as an analogy to Twin Peaks 
("You'd be amazed at the connection [between TP and Tibet]") and quotes 
(almost identically) from the Book of the Dead, adopting a more 
Buddhist-like framework may be fruitful.

   In Buddhism (as I understand it) the major question is not good vs. 
evil, but harmony vs. dissonance.  The final ideal is to reach a state 
of internal and external balance and to embrace opposites as necessary 
components of the whole.  Within this framework one would tend to treat 
"evil" as an absence of inner balance and "good" as a presence of the same.
In other words, in may prove useful when treating the TP mythos to 
redefine the concepts of good and evil to be synonyms of harmony and
dissonance.

   Let's start by looking at some of the symbols and people in TP that
have been commonly assigned as either good or evil see if this idea holds 
water...

************************************************************************

GOOD SYMBOL:

Trees:  Trees are traditional symbols of nature and harmony. Thus, they
represent good.

EVIL SYMBOLS:

Fire:  A major distinction between Western and Eastern philosophies is 
       the role of rationality within them.  Western philosophies
place primary emphasis on rationality, while Eastern philosphies 
seek balance between rational and irrational components.  Thus, 
fire, a traditional symbol of rationality (e.g. the Prometheus 
myth), represents evil (i.e. dissonance).

Owls:  Once again a symbol of rationality.  See the fire discussion above.

GOOD PERSON:

Cooper:  Cooper's personality can almost be defined by the word "balance".  
 An outward sign of this is his investigational style which is a 
 composite of the rational and the irrational ("...working hand-in-
 hand with the highest levels of intuition..."), and thus Cooper
 represents good.

EVIL PEOPLE:

WE:The character of Windom Earle has to be of the most unbalanced
personas ever to grace American television.  The comparison
between diamond and WE's mind (i.e. cold, hard, and brilliant)
create a picture of extreme rationality (albeit insane extreme 
rationality).  Thus, WE represents evil.

BOB: The fact that Leland had no idea what he had done when possessed 
by BOB (e.g. he did not know he killed Laura) indicates that
BOB is not a unifying force, but a divisive one.  In short, BOB
is the logical end result of disunity and dissonance, and therefore
BOB represents EVIL, EVIL, EVIL.

****************************************************************************

   So far, so good (or at least I can stretch my idea so that it isn't
blatantly incorrect)...

   Since the hallmarks of any successful theory is how well it explains,
unifies, and predicts future events (which is why Monsieur Roehl was so
successful, IMHO), let's now attempt one explanation, one unification and
one prediction.  (Since I am not clear from Fiona's posts whether or not 
the 4/18 episode is fair game for an RS posting, when I use material from 
that show I will surround it with "***".)

EXPLANATION:

   White and black are the symbols of opposites, nothing more and nothing
less.  This fits in nicely with the recent posting of Keith Bitely, where
he points out that white is the presence of all colors while black is the
absence of all colors.  In this view assigning qualities of good or evil
to a symbol, place, person, or object based on whiteness or blackness is
faulty.  This helps clear up some of problems that arise when one defines
white to be good and black to be evil or vice-versa.  Thus, the fact that
Cooper plays the black side in the chess game is not troubling nor is the
fact that he traditionally dresses in black.  

UNIFICATION:

   The Giant and the MFAP become separate manifestations of a common
good.  Their duality is born out in their relative sizes and by the 
fact that the Giant appears to Cooper as a physical being while the MFAP 
is a spiritual manifestation who appears in dreams.  That each of them 
appeals to a separate portion of Cooper's investigative technique (i.e.
the Giant to Cooper's rational side and the MFAP to Cooper's instinctual
side) further supports their assignment to distinct facets of a common
entity.  To sum up, in this view the Gaint and the MFAP represent the 
opposite factions of a single harmonius (and thus good) personality.  

PREDICTION:

   Annie will eventually be proven to be a proponent of evil.  Her rapid
shift between the spiritual world (i.e. the convent) and the physical
world (i.e. Twin Peaks) demonstrate a lack of balance in her life, and 
portend an ominous future role for her character.

***The fact that Annie has disturbed Cooper's equilibrium (she keeps
popping up in Cooper's mind when there is serious work to be done) also 
supports this prediction.  That would make the Giant's "No!" a warning to 
Cooper that he was getting involved with evil.***

**************************************************************************

   Oh well, like I said this is a stone not the path.  I throw this out
in the hope that someone will use this idea to further their own work on
the nature of the TP reality.  Any and all comments would be greatly
appreciated.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Matt BrinkmanInternet: BRINKMAN@EDSEQ1.LLNL.GOV

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In article <1991Apr19.095341.12408@pbs.org> mpax@pbs.org (Cool Bean) writes:
> >COOO-ILLL!  **Spoilers ahead**





















> >Last night's episode was real good.

YUP!  It sure was.

> >What was that black goo dripping in the diner?  Coffee or syrup?

I am in the maple syrup camp.

> >How often do Saturn and Jupiter meet?  According to the scanty research
> >I was able to do so far, it takes Jupiter 11.86 yrs to orbit the sun and
> >it takes Saturn 29.46 yrs.  So do they meet every 11.86 years?

I don't think that is the physics of it.  Unfortunately, I have no idea how
often Saturn and Jupiter meet.  I am pretty sure that regardless of whether
Saturn and Jupiter could really be in alignment or not; they are.

> >And when they showed that taped of WE at Project Blue Book, he was talking
> >about the evil souls and that they are called ______????  What did he say
> >they were called?  I can't make that out.

They were called the Black Lodge.

> >The symbol on Catherine's black box of the new moon (the white ring) made
> >me think of Cooper's ring.  Of course, then the giant appeared.  He's kind
> >of useless, isn't he?

The ring on Cooper's finger may not be so insignificant.  Those of us who
shelled out $8.95 for the Cooper autobiography as told by Scott Frost know 
that the origin of the ring is quite mysterious.

Yes, I agree the Giant is pretty much useless.  Like I said in other postings
the Giant could be saying "No!" to just about anything in the world.  Not
very useful information for Cooper.

> >And what was that high pitched noise in Ben's office?  All's I can think of
> >is that it was heard when the Major was abducted by one of the lodges and
> >also when the giant appeared to Cooper.

The Ben Horne mystery is a big one.  I just don't think it has anything to
do with BOB.  My specualtion currently leads me to believe it to be one of
the following people: Mrs. Heyward, Jerry, Johnny, or Doc Heyward.

> >So, Cooper dubbed Annie the Queen himself.  

He basically did.

> >Thoughts:  (RS:)  Annie was sent by the black lodge to distract Cooper
> >just like in Pittsburgh.  Love seems to be clouding his judgement once
> >again.  BOB is going to either a) find a new host now that the time is
> >right and good old Leland is dead, or b) his time is up and his duties
> >will be given to a new evil soul (WE?).  Maybe MIKE used to be what BOB
> >is now and when his time was up he was moved into something else.

I don't think the Black Lodge sent Annie, but WE is definitely going to take
advantage of the parallels between what is happening in TP and what did
happen in Pittsburgh.  I think BOB has achived physicality and WE is merely
a cohort/convert.

> >The black lodge won WE over during his stint at Project Blue Book.  They
> >watched him and converted him.  That's how BOB knew about Pittsburgh.  And
> >then the Black Lodge invited WE to come and join them as a BOB-like spirit.

I think so.  Once again this ties in with the interconnectedness that I 
believe exists in the show.  Nothing occurs without some kind of reasoning.
Although these events may seem to be totally unrelated right now, I think
people will be surprised by how connected everything really is.  I somehow
feel that the deaths of Theresa Banks and Laura Palmer, the intrigue
between the Packards and the Eckhardts, the Coop and WE relationship are all
connected and important to the current storyline. 

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In article <oc3nboG00Uh_Q2iAsm@andrew.cmu.edu> mt1z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Bruce Tomblyn) writes:
> >Has it occured to anyone that the metallic object in the box may be some
> >sort of
> >
> >                        KEY???????????????

But then what kind of keyhole does it fit into and where is the door that it
is supposed to open?  Is the Packard home the focal point of the Black Lodge's
activity?

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In article <10862@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> russelrd@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (MattBrockman) writes:
> >Who the heck is that "Cappy" kid?

A Bookhouse Boy.




-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Poetry ends like a rope" --Jack Spicer

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In article <5593@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Robert D. Cappel...you can call me The Bob) writes:

> >Operation: Pine Weasel -- Urgent Bulletin -- Distribute immediately!
> >Desperate times require amazing efforts.
> >In the ultimate display of positive consumer reinforcement, Operation: Pine 
> >Weasel is going to buy a car! (If enough peakers help, and help NOW!!!!)
> >Here's how it will work:
> > 
> >Each participating Peaker will send a $10 check, NOW, made out to:

This has really gone too far.  

We have NO IDEA who this JC BOURQUE is or what he's going to do with
our ten dollars.  For all you know, he's just some bozo in Florida who
has figured out a way to bilk TP fans out of $10.  Besides the fact
that the publicity stunt detailed here has a snowball's chance in
Albuquerque (as Gordon might say) of working, I think that it's really
really inadvisable on general principles to send this guy any money.

In general, by the way, I think this COOP thing is kind of silly.
"But that's just me."  However, I urge even confirmed COOPsters to
treat this fishy little deal extremely gingerly.

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Poetry ends like a rope" --Jack Spicer

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SPOILERS


People have asked about the fact that various people (pete, lady at RR,
coop...) suddenly found their hand shaking in the 4/18 episode.

Well, well, well. It was their RIGHT hand. Now picture the last scene:
BOB, with his RIGHT hand floating in the air. Same hand, folks. Connection.

I have no idea, however, what it all means.

One other thing: Pete and Audrey are going night fishing at pearl lakes?
Sound familiar? Catherine? The major and coop when the major disappeared? I
think this could be VERY important...

all in all, an incredible episode. File TP with "Max Headroom" as one of the
best shows ever on television. If only they'd keep such shows on the air
longer. Ah, well-- we've got to cherish the little we've got. At least TP
will give us 32 hours before it's done...

-jason

-- Jason Snell / jsnell@ucsd.edu / University of California, San Diego "Expectations only mean you really think you know what's coming next, and you don't." -- Bob Mould

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In article <41597@netnews.upenn.edu> shiau@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Mr. Liquid Cheeze) writes:
> >In article <1991Apr19.095341.12408@pbs.org> mpax@pbs.org (Cool Bean) writes:

>> >>And when they showed that taped of WE at Project Blue Book, he was talking
>> >>about the evil souls and that they are called ______????  What did he say
>> >>they were called?  I can't make that out.
> >
> >They were called the Black Lodge.

No, they were also called something like Duglin or Dugwus....

Anyway, they asked Cappy to look up on the above (whatever the name) topic.

-Matt
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Mr. Liquid Cheeze writes:
> > WE is a big mystery for me.  I tend to subscribe to Coop's theory of universal
> > connectivity when trying to explain the motivation behing WE.  Whatever WE is
> > doing is part of a large master plan that he has been developing for a long
> > time possibly since the days of Project Blue Book.  I think he may have been
> > abducted and faced the Black Lodge sometime in the past and has become the
> > evil hand of the Black Lodge in the physical world.

Maybe.  I think if WE ever saw BOB, he welcome him in in a second.
That would be some combination.  Perhaps this is why BOB was waiting
at the entrance of the Doorway to the Black Lodge?  WE is probably
the guy that the Black Lodge has been waiting for.  The circle of
rocks (or whatever they were) around the pool (or cave entrance?)
looked quite similar to the circle of rocks (or trees or flames?)
found on the lower left-hand corner of the Cave Drawing.

Speaking of curtains, do you supppose that what *really* pushed Nadine
beyond the edge was a terrifying vision of some very nasty red curtains
that she saw one afternoon while futzin' with her new curtain rods???
It seemed a strange obsession for anyone to have.  Now, she is oblivious
to her curtain rod world.

> > What was that Catherine and Andrew found in the black box
> > last night (4/18)?  It looked kind of like a silver brick to me.  I still
> > don't understand why they couldn't break the black box open with a hammer.

Could the object be highly radioactive?  What a gift that would make.
I didn't like Andrew breaking the bar out of its container.  Did you
notice that goat head on the wall behind them watching?  (I think it
was a goat?)  


--    --
rj pietkivitchatt!ihlpz!rjp1

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In <5589@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> cmdbyk@pmvax.weeg.uiowa.edu (Karl Boyken) writes:

> >Here's my two bits on what's ahead:

> >I don't think BOB will possess Wyndom Earle.  That would be too obvious,
> >and besides, WE is already actively pursuing the Black Lodge.  It wouldn't
> >gain the Black Lodge much to convert the converted.  A good candidate is
> >Ben Horne, given his past and his current struggle to be a good boy.  But
> >I vote for Harry Truman.  He's lost Josie, he's still in a lot of pain,
> >and he almost went over the edge at the Bookhouse.  Having BOB take over
> >Harry would provide many opportunities for menace and mayhem.  No one
> >would suspect Harry, and Coop would trust anyone, even Annie, in Harry's
> >protective custody.

Well, here's my two bits:  I don't think Bob cares about posessing anyone
anymore.  It seems he has reached corporeal form without the need of
a host.

> >As for the queen, there are even more numerous possibilities.  We can
> >discount Nadine and the blond receptionist, because they're comic relief.
> >Laura would be a good choice on any other TV show, because she's somewhat
 ^^^^^
> >peripheral to the main characters and is thus expendable.

I hope you mean Lana!  And that blond receptionist Lucy seems to be
in it just for paternal reasons, so yes I doubt she'll win.

sj

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In <4c3nVDC00VsnQ3RfgJ@andrew.cmu.edu> bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) writes:

> >Among Shelley, Donna, and Audrey, Audrey was presumably the only
> >virgin before 2020.  Annie may or may not be.  Is this significant?

Ah!  Good point.  Maybe WE is one of those men who demands
virginal qualities for his queen!  We're not positive Donna isn't
one, are we?  Who'd have guessed Audrey was before Thursday?
I would assume that Annie is, unless Cooper gets to her!
("I want more than your kisses")

>> >> * The puzzle box was kind of disappointing.  I had hoped
>> >> that it, or the symbols on it, would tie in to the whole
>> >> Lodge/Petroglyph story.  Guess not.  Or maybe it will in
>> >> some unexpected way.  What was the metallic object inside of
>> >> it?  And how do you specify any given date merely by
>> >> pressing two buttons, like Andrew did?

> >See above; Andrew had some sort of foreknowledge.  I'd hardly say that
> >the box was disappointing; what do we know about the silvery object
> >within?  Nothing, so far.  "Mom!  Dad!  Don't touch it!  It's evil!"

Is this a "Heavy Metal" green orb reference?  Nice connection, I guess.

> >Yes; I thought that was a very nice touch.

Thank you.

sj

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In article <1991Apr19.145527.5978@cica.indiana.edu> mr@ogre.cica.indiana.edu (Michael Regoli) writes:
> >OK.  So approaching Fox to carry Twin Peaks might not be a Bad Idea.
> >However, who/where to do we call?  Can someone as eager in telling us
> >the address/phones/fax lines at ABC also let us know about Fox?

Actually, I think that it might be better for the show if it isn't picked up.
We are heading for one really big climax, and it wouldn't do the show
justice to leave a lot of gaping holes just so there will be stories to pick
up on.  Don't get me wrong, I love the show, but I would prefer to see the
show go out with a bang, then to get picked up, and slowly die due to lack
of any real tension.  The entire series has been building up to the White
Lodge/Black Lodge confrontation that will (assumedly) take place in the
finale.  One that takes place, the show won't really have anything left to
sustain it at the level that we have grown to love.

- Dan Solomon

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In <1991Apr19.184438.24569@swbatl.sbc.com> jjj@sw1a6..UUCP (Joyan Jackson) writes:

> >In the closing scene just before Bob came through the door
> >there was something shown on the left side of the screen above
> >the black hole (entrance to the Black Lodge?), what was it?

Well, it was lighted, while the portal Bob came through was dark.
Maybe it was the entrance to the White Lodge.

sj

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Just thought I'd state
my relief upon finding no
UFOs creeping into the show.
I was hoping and assuming that
all this weirdness was more myth-
ical than extraterrestrial. Thanks Dave.

sj

This could be a red herring, and I am unsure about Shelley, but here goes:

Do you notice that there seems to be a connection between the people with
the shaking hands and the four queens:

CooperAnnie
PeteAudrey
Ben (just music)Donna
Old Lady eating pieShelley (?)  Possibly because she works in the diner?

Well, what do you think?

- Dan Solomon

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In article <1991Apr19.143646.16522@ncsu.edu> sagemma@eos.ncsu.edu (STEVEN ANTHONY GEMMA) writes:

> >Also, I have to give credit to my friend John for calling the shot in
> >Leo's big scene.  Is he really that stupid, or is his brain mostly fried?
> >Did anyone else see his ill-fated attempt at revenge coming?  I get
> >the feeling that Earle is going to keep an even closer eye on Leo, to
> >make sure his next attempt doesn't succeed.

I don't think Earle will bother.  Leo was none too smart before all
the hell started happening to him; then he got shot, put in a coma,
treated not very well, sent out into the woods, and repeatedly electro-
shocked to the neck and head.  As Bill Cosby used to say, "That's BRAINN
DAMMAGE!!!"

I thought maybe Leo would try to hit Earle with something when his
back was turned, but I didn't think Leo would be so stupid as not to
connect the collar around his neck with the trigger... Leo obviously
is so screwed up he thought the little box was doing it to him
magically.  Windom did get a DAMN good laugh out of it, though!

>> >>  I thought this was the best episode in quite some time,  and now
>> >> no more till June 10.  *WAIL*
> >I'm crying with you, Bud.

Waah!

> >-Steve
--
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In <6002@vela.acs.oakland.edu> rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:

> >I'm not sure if they really got the freshly fucked look they were
> >obviously aiming for, though--

Nice touch, Rod.

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In article <10865@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, russelrd@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (MattBrockman) writes:
|> In article <41597@netnews.upenn.edu> shiau@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Mr. Liquid Cheeze) writes:
|> >In article <1991Apr19.095341.12408@pbs.org> mpax@pbs.org (Cool Bean) writes:
|> 
|> >>And when they showed that taped of WE at Project Blue Book, he was talking
|> >>about the evil souls and that they are called ______????  What did he say
|> >>they were called?  I can't make that out.
|> >
|> >They were called the Black Lodge.
|> 
|> No, they were also called something like Duglin or Dugwus....

Black Lodge?  Dugwus?   Don't tell me that it's Bookwus?!  That'd be
just _too_ wild...

David Hollingsworth
starpath@athena.mit.edu

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From article <6014@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, by rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson):

> In article <5593@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Robert D. Cappel...you can call me The Bob) writes:
>
>>Operation: Pine Weasel -- Urgent Bulletin -- Distribute immediately!
>>Desperate times require amazing efforts.
>>In the ultimate display of positive consumer reinforcement, Operation: Pine
>>Weasel is going to buy a car! (If enough peakers help, and help NOW!!!!)
>>Here's how it will work:
>>
>>Each participating Peaker will send a $10 check, NOW, made out to:
>
> This has really gone too far.
>
> We have NO IDEA who this JC BOURQUE is or what he's going to do with
> our ten dollars. For all you know, he's just some bozo in Florida who
> has figured out a way to bilk TP fans out of $10. Besides the fact
> that the publicity stunt detailed here has a snowball's chance in
> Albuquerque (as Gordon might say) of working, I think that it's really
> really inadvisable on general principles to send this guy any money.

As was stated in the previous postings, JC is the head of COOP's InfoCom
headquarters in Florida. Secondly...you are to send a self addressed stamped
envelope along WITH the check. If there is not significant money, your check
will be returned. Thirdly, AND most importantly, David Lynch himself is
aware of this specific stunt and is all for it. The publicity generated
will help prove to advertisers that the members of COOP are a viable and
important demographic group. PLEASE email me personally on this if you
have any further questions. COOP is totally on the level and you have no
reason to believe otherwise.


>
> In general, by the way, I think this COOP thing is kind of silly.
> "But that's just me." However, I urge even confirmed COOPsters to
> treat this fishy little deal extremely gingerly.
>

There is no reason to treat things 'gingerly'. JC is leader of the largest
COOP state in the country right now: Florida. He is a top advertising man who
owns his own company...he knows what he is doing...AND is in personal contact
with David Lynch.

Please!!!! Help us with this! If nothing else, it helps a good charity, the
Miami Project for Crippled Children.


Bob BOB Cappel
COOP Iowa President
--
Robert D. Cappel, Iowa City,IA ||"You remind me today of a small
aka "BOB", eager for fun! || mexican chihuahua...."
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Would anybody with a high-quality video source and a frame-grabber be able to
grab the map of Twin Peaks and the map from the cave and GIF them so that we
could find out what apparently only the forces of evil know so far? 
Thanks

Kazys Varnelis
YM3Y@VAX5.CIT.CORNELL.EDU

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In article <41576@netnews.upenn.edu> shiau@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Mr. Liquid Cheeze) writes:
> >In article <1991Apr19.113756.18146@grebyn.com> fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Oceanstar) writes:
>> >>(Last night's show.... WOW, huh?  I feel we're building toward
>> >>a climax, but I have a *strong* suspicion they're going to zap
>> >>us with a cliffhanger: "she's wrapped in plastic" then fade to
...
> >Heck, it's been done before.  Maybe they won't show us who the _killer_
> >is.

Um, remember the ending of last season?

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> >From: sw2k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sharon Lee West)
> >Subject: Re: 4/18 The shakes
> >Did Harold live in a wooden/frame house? 
> >For some reason I remember wood paneling.
It was more than panelling.  Look at the unfinished logs on the
outside of the house.

Rocky Giovinazzo

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There is one very simple reason why WE has the white pieces in the chess
game.  He started the game, and the first player always plays white.

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> >From: russelrd@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (MattBrockman)
> >Subject: Re: COOP, Drop Annie !!!! (small 4/18 spoilers)
>> >>discussions between COOP and Annie were not meant to be "lovey dovey".  The 
>> >>"Blood" driping Coffee cup further shows the negative "air" about Annie.
> >Why do you think that ws coffee?! (too thick)
> >There were many plates on the floor and it was
> >obviously syrup. 
I could be getting carried away with the symbolism here but,
I wonder about the fact that we make _maple syrup_ from TREES.
Either way, the dripping didn't make me think of a foreshadowing
of "blood" being spilled as much as it reminded me of the dripping
sprinkler system.
Also, I wonder who was the person at the police station who Lucy
said, "looked really sad."  It reminded me of the time that Lucy got a 
call for the sherrif from a person who wouldn't identify himself-- and
then we never heard anything else about it.
I also wonder how Eckhardt could have known
that Catherine's box would arrive on a particular day AFTER his death
(so that he could program the particular code for Andrew to find).  
Could anyone make out what WE called the "evil sorcerors?"

Rocky Giovinazzo

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> > I thought the Doc was examining Ben for some insurence thing. I dont remeber
> > hearing anything about a heart attack.

I think it was pretty much telegraphed when Doc says to him (paraphrased
here):  "You're fine, Ben, but it's what's *in* your heart you should be
worried about."

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> > I think maybe this was an emergency situation for the Giant, and
> > entered the next closest host (the Mayor).  Pretty close match,
> > I'd say.

Note that the Giant was unable to speak this time; this implies some sort
of weakness on his part (leaving his host?  Strength of the Black Lodge?).

This brings us to another interesting point.  The Giant was obviously
emphatically saying "NO" to Cooper, but what exactly was it about?  Annie
entering the contest, or Cooper and Annie getting more seriously involved?
I am unable to decide which.  We know, of course, of the danger involved in
winning the contest, but is that really what the Giant is warning him of?

This brings another thought to mind.  Recall that the entire purpose of
the Giant's earlier communications with Cooper was to get Cooper to believe
and trust the Giant.  (Review the dialogue between them during these episodes
and you will see this.)  The Giant has since appeared to Cooper (i.e. during
Maddy's murder), but only briefly, and not under any conditions that require
Cooper's trust.  Until now, that is.  I think this puts a new light on the
weight of the situation.

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In article <1991Apr19.143646.16522@ncsu.edu> sagemma@eos.ncsu.edu (STEVEN ANTHONY GEMMA) writes:
> >In article <1991Apr19.021241.6002@ms.uky.edu>, bud@ms.uky.edu (William K
> >Glunt) writes: 
>> >>  I thought this was the best episode in quite some time,  and now
>> >> no more till June 10.  *WAIL*
>> >> 
>> >> Bud
> >
> >I'm crying with you, Bud.
> >
> >-Steve

You think you've got problems?  I'll be losing my USENET access at the
end of this semester, so I won't get to read everybody's comments on
the last episode!!

I don't suppose this newsgroup is gatewayed to a mailing list, is it?

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From: hough@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu (sue hough)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: Re: COOP, Drop Annie !!!! (small 4/18 spoilers)
Summary: I'm inclined to agree
Message-ID: <3658@lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu>
Date: 19 Apr 91 17:39:48 GMT
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In article <1991Apr19.125827.627@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>, xxmartn@lims04.lerc.nasa.
> >
> > I now believe Annie is *NOT* what she seems....
> >
> > She is BAD (maybe slightly influenced by the black lodge)...
> >
> > Also, I am noticing how Annie's involvement is causing COOP to veer off
> > his quest to put an end to WE ( & Black Lodge).  She is trying to distract
> > COOP so he cannot move as quickly as WE is in finding their sources of
> > "power" (WE - Black lodge, COOP - White lodge).
> >
> > And lastly, the Giant trying to warn COOP away from Annie...he was clearly
> > (IMHO) trying to get COOP to not let Annie become his queen.

After giving all of this some thought while walking my dog, I come
to the conclusion that this person is right.

As evidenced by my last posting, I first assumed the obvious
implications of the events of recent weeks:  that the giant
was warning Coop for Annie's safety (and could Coop really
be dumb enough not to see)?  Well, Coop is being dense no matter
what, but when is the last time TP was so predictable?
Why *did* Annie decide to emerge from the convent?

Sue

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bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt) writes:
> > feeling that something truly AWFUL is going to happen.  And as
> > soon as the giant showed up mouthing NOOOOOOO as Cooper said

Strangely enough, I was reminded of a baseball umpire yelling "SAFE!" =)

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xxmartn@lims04.lerc.nasa.gov writes:
> > Recall the diner scene where COOP and Annie were small talking...
> > 
> > All throughout this scene the camera is pulling back and we hear the 
> > "forboding" music.  That scene was *very* uncomfortable.  Clearly, those 
> > discussions between COOP and Annie were not meant to be "lovey dovey".  The 
> > "Blood" driping Coffee cup further shows the negative "air" about Annie.

So far, we've had several scenes that suggest something bad is going to 
happen to Annie. 1) The Giant ("SAAAAAAAAAFE!" - oops). (Where was SDC, 
anyway?) 2) Jack and Cooper talking about Annie and Audrey in front of a 
fire. 3) The diner scene, with the camera moving uncomfortably back, and 
the forboding Badalamenti music.

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jmeranda@oracle.com (John Meranda) writes:

> > Fellow netters-
> > 
> > When Mayor Briggs announced his intentions to take a walk in the woods,
> > was there *anyone* out there who DIDN'T think; 'Oh no, not the woods!'??

No kidding. When I heard him say "I'll take a walk in the woods," I 
thought immediately "Not a good idea there, Briggsy-boy..."
The tree has something to do with the black lodge. But isn't it obvious 
already? The _woods_ are the black lodge. Or rather, consider it this way 
- there are two worlds, our world, and the the spiritual world. For each 
location in the spiritual world, there is a counterpart in the real 
world. The Woods are the counterpart to the Black Lodge - remember Truman 
talking about "The Evil in the woods?"

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In article <1991Apr19.184613.24850@ingres.Ingres.COM> lainie@Ingres.COM (Lainie Howard) writes:
> >SPOILERS ahead for those who have not yet seen the 4/18 episode!!
^L
> >(But the first shaking hand 
> >wasn't the Log Lady's, was it? Who *was* that woman at the RR
> >counter?)

She's the wife of that guy from the first season who yelled "THAT"S
GOOOOD PIE!!!"  ;)

> >BLACK HOLE: In the final scene, BOB seems to emerge from the "other" 
> >plane, and stands looking into a hole in the ground: a black hole, 
> >ringed with white (snow?). 

This appeared to be the place where Cooper and the Major were camped
the night the Major was "assumed" by the white light.  The ring of
white is their campfire pit.

> >The red curtain from the dream appears in 
> >the hole (reflected in black water?). There may be more than one portal, 
> >but this one was clearly ringed by trees.

As in the ring of "candles" in the map?

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Poetry ends like a rope" --Jack Spicer

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In article <10692@hub.ucsb.edu> you write:
> >If you were at the Franklin Mint, and you decided to
> >create a Twin Peaks chess set, what would the board
> >look like?  Also, who would the pieces be, and on
> >what side of the board would they be on?

I tried to stick with "living" characters, but ran out of black ones.
The board would have jelly donuts on the white squares and owls on the
black squares.

WHITE
K - Dale Cooper
Q - Log Lady
B - Harry Truman, Pete Martell
N - Maj. Briggs, Will Hayward
R - Hawk, Ed Hurley
P - Donna Hayward, Audrey Horne, Norma Jennings, James Hurley,
    Andy Brennan, Lucy Moran, Nadine Hurley, Annie Blackburne

BLACK
K - Windom Earle
Q - Catherine Martell
B - Ben Horne, Andrew Packard
N - Leo Johnson, Hank Jennings
R - Bobby Briggs, Jerry Horne
P - Shelley Johnson, Mike Nelson, Dr. Jacoby, Dick Tremayne,
    John J. Wheeler, Bob Iger?
--
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Department of Computer Science       noe@cs.uiuc.edu
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Way back in 2001, the Giant said:

      G: "I will tell you three things.  If I tell them to you and they come
true, then will you believe me?"

This gives me the impression that he's just gonna mention three things
that when they become true, or apparant to Cooper, will establish
trust so Cooper won't disbelieve him when he tells him (to do)
something that sounds unbelieveable.

 "The 1st thing I will tell you is: There's a man in a smiling bag."
      G: "The 2nd thing is: The owl's are not what they seem.
  The 3rd thing is: Without chemicals, he points."
...
      G: "One last thing.  Leo locked inside Hungry Horse.  There's a clue at 
Leo's house."

So it turns out that these predictions, or rather future observations,
become apparant to Coop, he sees the smiling bag, etc. He solves WKLP and
the Giant gives him his ring back. He's made the first step. Now he's
on to something much bigger than solving the murder of one person but
maybe saving the world?

I'm not sure who or what Annie is, perhaps she's a victim
herself, being used to distract Cooper from the task at hand
(saving the world?). He's mentioned it himself several times that
he can't stop thinking of her.

The Giant's warning in 2020 (the mouthed, "No! No!") could
be the final warning (someone mentioned that the Giant's warnings or
what he's allowed to say as getting shorter all the time, as if
he's losing power) and he sure looked dismayed, absolutely shocked
that Coop was making the wrong move and it could result in the
end of the world or something as catastrophic.

      C: "Where do you come from?"
      G: {Shaking head} "The question is: where have you gone?"

I know this is stretching it, but maybe this has some refernce
to Caroline, about what happened to him the last time he fell in
love. Or if you've read the Cooper book, all those disasters in
his relationships.

      {Takes Coop's ring} "We want to help."
      C: "Who's we?"

Yeah, I suppose "they" did, and now they need Coop's help.

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In article <jms.4157@vanth.UUCP> jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
> >In article <1991Apr16.232200.10104@odin.corp.sgi.com> sjohnson@texas.vlsi.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:
>> >>
>> >>Well, I've been reading about this "paw print" long enough.  It is
>> >>definitely not a paw print, but a circle with four smaller circles
>> >>above it.  I took the time to freeze frame the ol' VCR to check all
>> >>of the symbols as well as draw them out myself.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> o  o
>> >>       o .--. o
>> >>:    :
>> >>:    :
>> >> .__.
> >
> >Well, it looks like a stylized paw print to me...  The symbols of the
> >Zodiac, for the most part, are extremely stylized versions of the object
> >they represent.  Other possibilities: solar eclipse with Bailey's Beads,
> >crop circles.  But it's probably irrelevant now that the box has been
> >opened.
> >

I'm a bit behind in the postings, so forgive me if this has already 
been pointed out, but why couldn't this "paw print" be (yet another) symbol
for Jupiter?  The planet itself, with its four Galilean satellites (Io,
Europa, Ganymede, and Callisto) would be all ancient star gazers would be
able to discern...

rob

Forgot to mention this in an earlier post.  Sorry if it's been discussed -
I have a very slow newsfeed.

The giant appeared this time in the place of Mayor Milford.  Several possible
reasons:

 1. The giant can be hosted by any *older* person, not just Senor Drool Cup.

 2. SDC is the Giant's only host.  The giant's appearance this time was merely
a vision, not a "hosting", and that's why the Giant couldn't speak this time.

 3. SDC was close by, and we didn't see him.

 4. The message this time was so urgent that the Giant was able to bypass the
need for a host altogether.  I doubt this, since Maddy's death was no less
urgent than Annie's possible death (unless Annie has some cosmic importance we
don't know about yet.)

 5. The writers really needed the Giant to appear, but the actor who plays
SDC was not available, so they just improvised.


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Robert Steven Glickstein (bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu) writes:
    >Stop that.  If TP is renewed, it certainly won't be helped by
    >pessimism in our ranks, of all places.

I'm just being realistic.  ABC has given every indication (by not trying more
to help put Peaks in a good time slot) that they don't want to renew a show
which continually ranks LAST among ALL prime time shows except those on Fox.
And since Peaks is one of the most expensive shows to make, Fox, PBS, Lifetime
or any other such network probably won't or can't pick it up.

BUT, that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to get it back.  I'm all for anything
we can do to inrease it's chances of staying on television.  I just doubt it
will help.

    >See above; Andrew had some sort of foreknowledge.  I'd hardly say that

Foreknowledge or not, how do you specify a certain date by pressing 2 
buttons?  Say the first press is for the month, and the second press is
for the day, you'd need a lot more buttons to be able to enter *any* date.

    >the box was disappointing; what do we know about the silvery object
    >within?  Nothing, so far.  "Mom!  Dad!  Don't touch it!  It's evil!"

True, but I was hoping that the symbols on the box had some connection to
the info on the petroglyph, perhaps connected with the "time" given on the
petroglyph when something will begin to happen.


Another thing:  What was it Major Briggs said - "When Jupiter and Saturn meet,
they will accept you"?  How do two planets "meet"?  If this means lining up,
then lining up with *what*?  And whatever "meet"ing means, wouldn't it happen
often enough that there would have to be some reason for this particular
"meeting" to be the correct one?



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In article <63C6988020207F52@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU> UN040377@WVNVAXA.WVNET.EDU writes:
   Robert Steven Glickstein (bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu) writes:
       >See above; Andrew had some sort of foreknowledge.  I'd hardly say that

   Foreknowledge or not, how do you specify a certain date by pressing 2 
   buttons?  Say the first press is for the month, and the second press is
   for the day, you'd need a lot more buttons to be able to enter *any* date.

Perhaps he touched the appropriate astrological and phase-of-the-moon
symbols for the dates in question?  Of course, this would raise the
question of how he knew those right off...it implies a pretty serious
interest in astrology...or maybe that's just what he was doing for the
year-and-a-half he was supposed to be dead?

Muffy

Several previous posters (sorry, don't have references offhand) have
alluded to things like a) the suspicious number of unexplained tragedies
which have surrounded Coop as described in the "Tapes" book b) a
projected series ending wherein we see BOB inhabit Coop c) Coop's
sometimes surreal degree of selective blindness....

Why is this guy at once so close to evil and so apparently excessively
immune to it? Why does he both sense evil so acutely while being unable
to perceive it or understand it directly or clearly? Why has he lived
so long with this sense of being intimately related to the evil he
believes he is chasing? 

Did anybody see the movie Angel Heart???

I like it. That's what I want to happen.

A highly biased, hypothesis-consistent analysis of TP content may now
commence; any takers? 

-- ================================================================= Delia Cioffi: -- University of Houston: cioffi@menudo.uh.edu -- Stanford University: cioffi@psych.stanford.edu =================================================================

In article <1991Apr19.233947.8645@odin.corp.sgi.com>, sjohnson@texas.vlsi.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:
> > Maybe WE is one of those men who demands
> > virginal qualities for his queen!  We're not positive Donna isn't
> > one, are we?  Who'd have guessed Audrey was before Thursday?

  I would estimate that about 90 percent of the newsgroup had already
  come to this conclusion.  Especially after Audrey visited Cooper
  to tell him she never let anyone touch her at One-Eyed Jacks.  She
  made it pretty clear that was still a virgin.

> > sj
-- Peter. wilson@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu ********************************************************************* * "A person is a person | "The life I lead would even * * no matter how small." | make a dead man yawn" * * - Horton | - Klaatu * *********************************************************************

sjohnson@texas.vlsi.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:
>>> >>>All throughout this scene the camera is pulling back and we hear the 
>>> >>>"forboding" music.  That scene was *very* uncomfortable.  Clearly, those 
>>> >>>discussions between COOP and Annie were not meant to be "lovey dovey".  The 
>>> >>>"Blood" driping Coffee cup further shows the negative "air" about Annie.
>> >>Anyways, that was a *marvelous* scene w/ that deep note
>> >>held thru the conversation and the kitchen door getting 
>> >>louder and the camera zooming out...chilling to say the least.
> >Did anyone else get the sense they were being watched?  I knew it wasn't
> >Earle, but maybe a Lodge dweller.

I see three possibilities for the meaning of the diner-kiss scene.

1.  Cooper's in trouble.  The ominuous music indicates that falling
for Annie is a Bad Idea.
2.  Foreshadowing.  The crashing plates and silverware (at the moment
Cooper and Annie kiss) is a hint of the destruction that their love
will bring.
3.  The power of love.  Some sort of tangible evil was massing at the
RR at that moment and was driven away by the pure force of Cooper's
and Annie's love.  [This is the explanation I'm hoping is true; it
would also mean that maybe the Major's worst fear won't come true!]

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In article <1991Apr19.145851.20464@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, krol@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Ed Krol) writes:
> > blojo@soda.berkeley.edu writes:
> > 
>>> >>> Then there is the hand twitching of the lady, Coop & Pete. Is
>>> >>> this tied in to the above. With everyone in the town being
>>> >>> drawn to the conjunction of the two lodges?
> > 
>> >>Don't forget Ben.  At the beginning of the episode, Doc Hayward is seeing
>> >>Ben about heart attack symptoms he has been having; Doc declares he is
>> >>in no such danger.  We may assume that Ben experienced a similar
>> >>hand-twitching experience which prompted the visit.
> > 
Or he needed a physical for a new life insurance policy. Note his comment
 about the forms sent him

> > I thought this was all a precursor of Bob's hand at the very 
> > end appearing before the rest of him.  

I agree. I got the impression that BOB was attempting to come back and was
trying to find a host. I have no explanation of why he chose who he did.

Note also the scenes where Ben turned around as if he heard something and
when Coop was kissing Annie (in the diner). He pulls back and looks around as
if he feels/ senses something.

Jonathan Davidson

DAVIDSON@AC.DAL.CA
Dalhosie University
Halifax, Nova Scotia
Canada

In article <41597@netnews.upenn.edu>, shiau@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Mr. Liquid Cheeze) writes:
> > In article <1991Apr19.095341.12408@pbs.org> mpax@pbs.org (Cool Bean) writes:
>> >>COOO-ILLL!
> > 
>> >>How often do Saturn and Jupiter meet?  According to the scanty research
>> >>I was able to do so far, it takes Jupiter 11.86 yrs to orbit the sun and
>> >>it takes Saturn 29.46 yrs.  So do they meet every 11.86 years?
> > 
> > I don't think that is the physics of it.  Unfortunately, I have no idea how
> > often Saturn and Jupiter meet.  I am pretty sure that regardless of whether
> > Saturn and Jupiter could really be in alignment or not; they are.
> > 
> >
   Saturn and Jupiter meet about once every 20 years. These are the correct
orbital periods for these planets, and obviously Jupiter moves around the
Sun faster that Saturn. However, as Jupiter is moving, Saturn is also moving,
so after Jupiter has gone once around the Sun back its original position,
Saturn has also moved along its orbit. So, for there to be a conjunction again,
Jupiter has to travel a bit farther to catch up. Hence the 20 years rather
than 12 years.

Jeff Kouba
Dept. of Physics and Astronomy
University of Iowa
INET: jak@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu

In article <1991Apr19.220923.26393@colorado.edu>, ingraffi@tramp.Colorado.EDU (INGRAFFIA EDMOND J) writes:
> > In article <1991Apr19.184438.24569@swbatl.sbc.com> jjj@sw1a6.UUCP (Joyan Jackson) writes:
>> >>In the closing scene just before Bob came through the door
>> >>there was something shown on the left side of the screen above
>> >>the black hole (entrance to the Black Lodge?), what was it?
> > 
> > YES!!! Someone with a VCR PLEASE post this if you know it.
> > 
> > As soon as the camera moved in on the clearing in the woods, I 
> > jumped up and got real close to the TV to see what had appeared 
> > on the LEFT side of the screen, and then the image of BOB's arm 
> > began to appear on the right side of the screen. Then they went to 
> > a cclose up of BOB's arm, and finally his corporial emergence.
> > 
> > WHAT WAS THAT ON THE LEFT SIDE?

   I thought it was just the spotlight shining on some pine branches.
At first I too it was some sort of creature, but I think it was just the
pointy branches and needles.

Jeff Kouba
Dept. of Physics and Astronomy
University of Iowa
INET: jak@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu

Does anyone think Cooper will understand WHY the Giant
was warning him?   Considering he gave Annie the extra
push to 'rejoin reality' as MISS TWIN PEAKS.  If Earle
plays his hand then Coop loses Annie as Windom lost Caroline
..... OH GAWWWWD!!!

     Here are some things I caught after watching last week's episode using
the magic of the VCR. First, going back a bit to the 4/11 episode, in the scene
where the owl comes flying up in front of a starscape, and there follows two
flashes of fire, in the first flash of fire there is a pair of owl eyes. It
is very quick and easy to miss but they are there.

     Now, getting back to the 4/18 episode, in the cave drawing, near the
center top, there are four or five humps with circles above them, and all
of this underscored with a thick line. I think this represents hooded figures
like the one we saw in the 4/11 episode walking over a bridge, perhaps
between the two Lodges, or from the spirit world to our world.

     At the right top area of the cave drawing there is a circle with eight
spokes coming out of it, similar to the arrangement on the inner box given
to Catherine! I don't know what the connection might be, though.

     In the scenes where Windom Earle is shown sitting at a desk banging on
his computers, behind him and to his right his another green video display
screen of sorts that had on it the circle of 12 candles or trees that also
appears at the lower left in the cave drawing. However, the circle in the
cave drawing seems to be missing a candle at the 8 o'clock position. But,
the drawing in Windom's screen is complete, and near the beginning of the
episode when we see this screen for the first time, a yellow light blinks
twice at this very 8 o'clock position. At the end of the episode when we see
this screen, while Leo is moaning, and after every one has gotten the shakes
and experienced a  general stirring in the Force, there are several yellow
lights blinking all over the screen in a somewhat frenzied fashion. Hmmm.

     Some other people have mentioned that Major Briggs seemed to be talking
backwards after he had drugged and had said something about being received
into which ever Lodge. My little group heard the Major say "Nee Mock", which
spoken backwards is "Come In." We couldn't make out anything else, though.

     Also in the cave drawing, at the bottom center, there is what appears to
be a scarab. Windom has a pencil drawing of this scarab tacked to a post
below the playing cards that Leo looks at. Also, after Windom knocks over the
chess pieces, he slaps down on the board what looks like a transparency of
that scarab.

     In the cave drawing again, in the center is what looks to be the waterfall,
and right above it and to the left is a fire symbol. Well, this is right where
the Great Northern stands in relation to the waterfall. Right after Audrey
leaves Ben's office, Ben hears some sort of noise and turns around. He looks
at what I thought was the back wall of his office, which is where his fireplace
is. The very next scene we see is Pete standing in front of a fireplace.
Could the Great Northern be some sort of power nexus, that is symbolized
by fire?

     In the scene where Coop is looking out the window and his hand starts
shaking, the two shutters directly below his pinky start shaking before
his hand starts shaking.

     When Hawk is sitting in the hotel lobby waiting for Audrey, he is reading
a book about owls.

     When we see a shot of Windom's chess board just before he knocks the 
pieces over, the white king bishop is missing. Does this mean Windom took
that rook pawn with the bishop?

     Probably not, but could that old man hanging around the lobby at the
Great Northern have been David Lynch in an old man disguise?

     In the continuity error department, when Andrew smashes the third box,
and we see a shot of the box flying into pieces on the table, that silver
object is clearly not there, but it suddenly appears in that same spot
moments later.

     Finally, could that scene at the end with BOB emerging from the portal
have been shown with the film running backwards? Just as the light goes out
on his arm, BOB's arm jerks to his chest in a rather funny motion. This motion
seemed (to me, anyway) more natural when I viewed the scene backwards on rewind.


Jeff Kouba
Dept. of Physics and Astronomy
University of Iowa
INET: jak@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu

In article <18470@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> jsnell@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Jason Snell) writes:
> >
> >
> >People have asked about the fact that various people (pete, lady at RR,
> >coop...) suddenly found their hand shaking in the 4/18 episode.
> >
> >Well, well, well. It was their RIGHT hand. Now picture the last scene:
> >BOB, with his RIGHT hand floating in the air. Same hand, folks. Connection.


 Nobody's mentioned it, but which arm in the OAM missing?  We saw Bob come
through first just a right arm, then the rest of the body.  Could the
arm have been the OAM's arm?    Just a thought.   Also, the OAM was 
shaking a lot throughout his appearances on TP.

                Len Kamlet

Great episode.

Just a couple of comments.

I think it's pretty clear the Giant is warning Coop that Annie 
should *not* enter the MTP contest.  I don't think Annie is bad.  If 
you'll look back, you'll see that the only bad character who has ever 
been portrayed as good is Laura.  Take that back, also Josie.  Oh, well, 
I still stand behind Annie being okay.

Wrt the hand shaking business I have only two ideas:

Cooper actually *does* have malaria, & it's an epidemic.

This is dependent on Pete Martell going to the Double R,
which I don't remember him ever doing, but we can overlook that little 
loophole.  Windom Earle is finding a way to poison the food in the Double
R.  I particularly like that idea.

Oh-by-the-way, tha silver block Catherine & Abdrew found is actually
a sub-critical mass of plutonium, & they'll both die of radiation poisoning.
(just kidding)

"Everything that exceeds the consumer's requirements is held violently"
-Thomas Aquinas
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In article <1991Apr20.152921.1485@menudo.uh.edu> cioffi@menudo.uh.edu (Delia Cioffi) writes:
   [Cooper, the "Tapes" autobiography]
   Why is this guy at once so close to evil and so apparently excessively
   immune to it? Why does he both sense evil so acutely while being unable
   to perceive it or understand it directly or clearly? Why has he lived
   so long with this sense of being intimately related to the evil he
   believes he is chasing? 

Well, I was thinking about this when I read the autobiography (last
night).  As far as I can tell, it's the same thing he said sometime in
the series, which is basically that he's a strong receiver/sender(?).
Anyway, I think that he's able to sense the evil, to know of its
presence.  I would then suspect that the evil is also aware of him and
wants to drive him off.  I don't know why he seems to avoid it so much,
but it could be like what Earle is doing, which is always striking at
the people around him, sort of toying with him and torturing him, rather
than just destroying him.  It's certainly a feature of all stories about
evil that it seems to like to make good suffer before destroying it.

Muffy

 This might be really reaching, but in Windom's closeup of the giant's
left shoulder in the cave drawing, there is a configuration that looks like
an "eight". A Japanese friend of mine tells me that this is the Japanese
symbol for the Sun. Hmmm.

Jeff Kouba
Dept. of Physics and Astronomy
University of Iowa
INET: jak@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu