Season 2, Episodes 21–22: Miss Twin Peaks / Beyond Life and Death — June 10, 1991–August 27, 1992

Since Kiefer Sutherland is now in the Oeuvre list, I thought
some of you might be interested to know that Kiefer will
be hosting Saturday Night Live this weekend.

Rocky Giovinazzo
giovin@medr0.ecs.umass.edu

This is a brief list of what is available on the anonymous FTP site at the
University of South Australia.  The address of the Site is:

  audrey.levels.unisa.edu.au [130.220.16.88]   directory  /pub/twin-peaks 

By the way, the machine 'audrey' was named after the character in TP.  It is
NOT a coincidence, whatever you may think :-)

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In response to lots of questions, here's the pocket tutorial on how to use
anonymous FTP from the 'cribsheet'.

Start up FTP and at its prompt ("ftp>") say "open 130.220.16.88" . If you
connect successfully you'll be asked for name and password. For name say
"anonymous" and for password use your net address, e.g. I would type
"peter@audrey.levels.unisa.edu.au"
  
Now, say "cd /pub/twin-peaks" . FTP has help (for most implementations you
type "?" or "h"), but the commands you need are these:
  
  ls          brief listing
  dir         long listing
  cd          change directory on the remote machine
  lcd         change directory on your local machine
  get <name>  copy a remote file <name> to the current directory on
               your local disk
  binary      need to say this for other than text files (FTP responds,
               mysteriously, "Mode set to I")
  quit        close connection and exit

That's it, enjoy. The large world of anonymous FTP is now open to you.
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======================
Lists and Compilations
======================

- Annotated timeline for TP episodes broadcast to date
    (Ascii as well as version Formatted for MS Word v4.0 in RTF 
     [Rich Text Format] suitable for both Dos and Macintosh Computers)
- TP cast to date
- Credits for each episode
- Answers to frequently asked questions
- Compilation of favorite quotes
- Cribsheet to TP resources
- Symbols/motifs in the Twin Peaks Universe
- Oeuvres of TP contributors
    (all movies/books each artist has been associated with)

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Other TP Resources
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GIFS:

There are four sets of Gifs -

Greyscale  from episode 2001:
albert.gif      blackie.gif     gi_and_c.gif    jerry2.gif      ronette1.gif
audrey1.gif     bob.gif         giant1.gif      laura1.gif      ronette2.gif
audrey2.gif     coop_har.gif    giant2.gif      laura2.gif      ronette3.gif
audrey3.gif     coopdoc.gif     giant3.gif      leland.gif      sar_madd.gif
audrey4.gif     cooper1.gif     great_no.gif    lelsarma.gif    sarah.gif
audrey5.gif     cooper2.gif     hank_ben.gif    maddy1.gif      saw.gif
audrey6.gif     deadlaur.gif    hospital.gif    maddy2.gif      shelley.gif
ben_jerr.gif    donna.gif       jer_lel_.gif    maddy3.gif      title.gif
bird.gif        droolcup.gif    jerry1.gif      mill.gif

Full color from episode 2007:
arrest.gif          commbreak.gif       horse.gif           norma.gif
audrey.gif          cooper.gif          laura.gif           shelly.gif
audrey2.gif         cruise.gif          laura_bw.gif        sherrif.gif
ben_and_audrey.gif  diary.gif           leo.gif             waterfall.gif
bob.gif             finger.gif          mikediscussion.gif
bobby.gif           giant.gif           murder.gif
cafe.gif            harold.gif          nadine.gif

Full color from episode  2008:
BOB2.gif            maddy.gif
cooper-diane.gif    jerry.gif           normas_parents.gif
diane.gif           lynch-frost.gif

Excerpt from Sherilyn Fenn's Playboy pictorial:
Sherilyn.gif
fenn1.gif 
fenn2.gif


SOUNDS:

Far too many sounds to list here, in both Sun uLaw and MacRecorder
formats.  Also included in the archive is a player for the Mac Sounds,
as well as a converter from Mac to Sun format.

HYPERCARD STACKS:

There are two stacks TPBSCompanion and TPstack.  The TPstack is basically a
collection of sounds with its own player, while the TPBSCompanion illustrates
the relationship between characters and gives details on each person.


There's a lot more information in the README files scattered throughout
the archive.  If you need some help don't hesitate to send me mail.

Peter Asenstorfer,
Twin-Peaks FTP site administratior.
<peter@audrey.Levels.UniSA.Edu.Au>

I like the concept. I am also an Arthurian freak, and finding a link 
between Cooper and Arthur is a vision from God. Hallelueah.

One other thing, fill me in here. Sutherland is in "FIRE"? NO WAY! Is
this a rumor or is it for real? Is the movie gonna be before AND after
the finale, or just before? Do we know for sure? Is anything real? 

HELP! ARRRRRRRRGH!

"Be cool or be cast out." - RUSH

In article <290DEE55.22825@ics.uci.edu> bvickers@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes:

> >   Of course, if you'd read the net etiquette rules, you wouldn't.
 -------------------

Could someone please tell me where to find these rules?

Kevin

I believe that this is the way this all happened:

1) I mentioned that I had had trouble getting the GIF files from audrey.
2) Several people said "GIF files? What GIF files?"
3) Yet another person said "These GIF files" and posted them.

A case of good will and either not thinking of or not being aware of the
results of megapostings.

 --- Joe M.

Thanks to all the people who provided that fascinating
Arthurian background info (Glastonbury, Avalon, etc.).
It seems to me a certain Arthurian interpretation is
quite valid for the "current" (i.e., at the end of the
finale) state of affairs in Twin Peaks.  The hero has
journeyed to a magical realm, and doesn't seem to be
coming back any time soon.  What do you want to bet that
some where around 2015, David Lynch finally does a Peaks
sequel that wraps everything up?  The whole 25-years bit
was actually present from early on in the series' creation.
If I'm not mistaken, there is a scene at the end of the
European movie that takes place in the Waiting Room (this
scene was used as the dream sequence in one of the first
season episodes), and we see Laura, Cooper as an older man, etc.
But one thing that is in this scene that was NOT in the
same scene when it was shown in the U.S. is a caption at
the beginning: "25 Years Later."

Picture this: It is 25 years later.  Cooper's doppelganger,
which emerged from the Black Lodge in the last episode,
has impersonated him for 2 1/2 decades, wreaking havoc in 
the name of BOB--or, the doppleganger was captured and put
into a mental institution (people believing it was an insane
Cooper)--OR, it was somehow killed.  NOW, perhaps due to 
astrological influences, the real Cooper, maybe with the 
real Laura, returns to this world.  And just in time, for
Twin Peaks is once again in great danger, for some reason...

Truman: "Coop!  Is it really you?"
Cooper: "Good to see you again, Harry.  Just point me
toward some nice hot coffee, and I'll explain everything..."


--Max

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it is happening again
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Max Clarke     The Traveler     
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In article <91299.103354U40643@uicvm.uic.edu> U40643@uicvm.uic.edu (Ty Warner) writes:
> >In article <gLcaaB3w164w@whitebase.ukp.com>, salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Gregory
> >Salmieri) says:
>> >>I think when she puts her hand on her nose it means Cocaine.
> >
> >I think when she puts her finger on the side of her nose it is the secret
> >sign of the bookhouse boys. Remember?

The secret sign of the bookhouse boys is made by brushing one's finger
along one's *temple*, not one's nose...

The Pennsylvania 6-5000 song was remade or parodied with Transylvania 6-5000 by Erasure, apparently after the movie of similar title.

I went to pick up Fantasia at LaserLand (Cupertino/San Jose) last night, and
was *very* pleasantly surprised to see TWIN PEAKS (the 2-hour premiere) on
LaserDisc! I was told it came out 1-2 weeks ago, so it may be old news...but I
thought I'd pass it on 'just in case'.

If you drop into LaserLand, tell 'em Leland sent you... ;-)

Hi there,
         could someone please post me the last quotes file for
twin-peaks. I am looking in particular for the scene where cooper is
whitling and he asks Harry if he knows why...
Could you please post it directly to me instead of here, if possible.
Thanks in advance.

Justin Halliday
Monash University
Melbourne Australia.

In article <1991Oct29.102653.1@wombat.newcastle.edu.au>, c8838460@wombat.newcastle.edu.au writes...

}}} I think when she puts her hand on her nose it means Cocaine.

}} I think when she puts her finger on the side of her nose it is the secret
}} sign of the bookhouse boys. Remember?

} Wasn't the secret sign of the Bookhouse Boys running an index finger over -
} now let's see, was it the right eyebrow? Could've been the left.

You are correct. Laura's tap on the nose and the Bookhouse Boys' "hi sign"
are *not* the same.

-- "My father was a tattoo artist in Haiphong. His designs on mother didn't last too long." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM or ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian

q
finished

In article <1991Oct30.185629.2814@cats.com>, drm@cats.com (Derek R. Marsano) writes:
> > In article <91299.103354U40643@uicvm.uic.edu> U40643@uicvm.uic.edu (Ty Warner) writes:
>> >>In article <gLcaaB3w164w@whitebase.ukp.com>, salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Gregory
>> >>Salmieri) says:
>>> >>>I think when she puts her hand on her nose it means Cocaine.
>> >>
>> >>I think when she puts her finger on the side of her nose it is the secret
>> >>sign of the bookhouse boys. Remember?
> > 
> > The secret sign of the bookhouse boys is made by brushing one's finger
> > along one's *temple*, not one's nose...

...the nose?

...the temple?

...maybe it is the *eyebrow*...maybe the *right eyebrow* ...?

...maybe I'll just check the truck!

As I remember it, Hawk said that anyone with insufficient courage would be
destroyed by the lodge.  It certainly ties in with the idea that the key to
the black lodge is fear.  At any rate, Cooper showed this failing when he
ran from the vision of Laura screaming in the lodge.  If you ask me, he lost
his soul as a consequence of that moment of hesitation.  Hard for diehard
Cooper fans to accept, I know, but he just wasn't prepared. Not even
Wyndham Earle was prepared, and he knew a lot more about the black lodge than
anybody else.

In article <BMESMER.91Oct31064213@occs.alt> bmesmer@occs.alt (Carl Van Muckenhoupt) writes:
> >
> >As I remember it, Hawk said that anyone with insufficient courage would be
> >destroyed by the lodge.  It certainly ties in with the idea that the key to
> >the black lodge is fear.  At any rate, Cooper showed this failing when he
> >ran from the vision of Laura screaming in the lodge.  If you ask me, he lost
> >his soul as a consequence of that moment of hesitation.  Hard for diehard
> >Cooper fans to accept, I know, but he just wasn't prepared. Not even
> >Wyndham Earle was prepared, and he knew a lot more about the black lodge than
> >anybody else.

I know that Windham gets 'killed' among the ruckus in that sequence by Bob
(was it?)...but what is the difference in fates between Bob, Windham,
Coop, Laura?  Has it been 25 years for Bob, or is he special?  Is it that
Windham won't be back, but Coop, Bob, and Laura may?  I am a bit confused
about this point...also, they have already filmed the upcoming movie 
(theater? tv?) for TWIN PEAKS.  One of those music awards (MTV?) programs
showed Chris Isaak accepting his award w/ the tp backdrop, and K. MacLaughlin
alongside him...anyone saw that?  There was a suggestion amongst these files
that Lynch was coming back in 25 years...was that meant literally?  If so,
I hope the bugs won't get at the film...I am dying to see what happened
to Audrey, et. al.











-- L. Saiki saiki@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu

In article <BARB.91Oct28214445@chamarti.ai.mit.edu>
barb@zurich.ai.mit.edu writes:

> >     I recall
> >Glastonbury being quite high and dry, surrounded by a vast expanse of farm
> >land, miles from any large body of water.

Indeed it is, but the farmland is decidedly flat and barely above
sea level.  It was drained relatively recently, and before that would have
been impassable for much of the year and treacherously swampy even at the
height of summer.  Compare the fen country, and the "Isle" of Ely.

Whether this has any relevance to Avalon or Peak^2, I wouldn't know.

-- Andy Walker, Maths Dept., Nott'm Univ., UK. anw@maths.nott.ac.uk

It was suggested to me that I repost this, so here it is.

This list, along with the timeline, oeuvre lists, quote lists, episode
credits and many other goodies, is always available in updated form
at the anonymous ftp site in "audrey.sait.edu.au."


--

This is a cast list for the show current up to the final episode.  It is
based on one posted earlier by Jerry Boyajian, which is in turn based on
one posted by Jon Conrad.  It includes all of the regulars, and a few of
the important/interesting minor characters.

This list is updated periodically.

When two different people played the same character, the first one
listed appeared in the pilot, and the second in later episodes.

If you note any misspellings or actors matched to the wrong role, 
please mail me at "dcoufal@athena.mit.edu".

Please note that there are major spoilers for the ENTIRE SERIES
below. If you don't want any surprises ruined for you, STOP
READING NOW.












                              TWIN PEAKS


The FBI/DEA:

    Special Agent Dale Bartholomew Cooper                Kyle MacLachlan
    Special Agent Windom Earle             [dead]          Kenneth Welsh
    Special Agent Roger Hardy                      Clarence Williams III
    Agent Albert Rosenfield                                Miguel Ferrer
    Agent Dennis/Denise Bryson (DEA)                      David Duchovny
    Regional Chief Gordon Cole                               David Lynch

Twin Peaks Sheriff's Station:

    Sheriff Harry S. Truman                              Michael Ontkean
    Deputy Tommy "The Hawk" Hill                           Michael Horse
    Deputy Andy Brennan                                       Harry Goaz
    Lucy Moran                                           Kimmy Robertson

The Packard Sawmill:

    Jocelyn (Josie) Packard                       [dead]       Joan Chen
    Andrew Packard              [Josie's husband] [dead]   Dan O'Herlihy
    Catherine Packard Martell   [Andrew's sister]           Piper Laurie
    Pete Martell            [Catherine's husband] [dead]      Jack Nance

Hong Kong Connection:

    Thomas Eckhardt               [Josie's mentor] [dead]   David Warner
    Jonathan Kumagai        [Mr. Eckhardt's agent] [dead]     Mak Takano
    Jones                              [assistant]         Brenda Strong

The Horne Family:

    Audrey Horne                       [dead]              Sherilyn Fenn
    Benjamin Horne   [Audrey's father]                    Richard Beymer
    Sylvia Horne              [mother]                        Jan D'Arcy
    Johnny Horne             [brother]   Robert Davenport / Robert Bauer
    Jerry Horne                [uncle]               David Patrick Kelly

The Palmer Family:

    Laura Palmer                      [dead]                  Sheryl Lee
    Leland Palmer   [Laura's father]  [dead]                    Ray Wise
    Sarah Palmer            [mother]                      Grace Zabriske
    Madeleine Ferguson      [cousin]  [dead]                  Sheryl Lee

The Hayward Family:

    Donna Marie Hayward                                 Lara Flynn Boyle
    Eileen Hayward          [Donna's mother]           Mary Jo Deschanel
    Dr. William Hayward   [Eileen's husband]                Warren Frost
    Harriet Hayward              [sister #1]          Jessica Wallenfels
    Gersten Hayward              [sister #2]                 Alicia Witt

The Briggs Family:

    Bobby Briggs                                           Dana Ashbrook
    Major Garland Briggs   [father]                            Don Davis
    Elizabeth Briggs       [mother]                    Charlotte Stewart

The Hurley Family:

    James Hurley                                          James Marshall
    Ed Hurley             [James' uncle]                  Everett McGill
    Nadine Butler Hurley          [aunt]                     Wendy Robie

The Pulaski Family:

    Ronette Pulaski                                     Phoebe Augustine
    Janek Pulaski          [father]               Rick Tutor / Alan Ogle
    Maria Suburbis Pulaski [mother]  Roberta Maguire / Michele Milantoni

The Jennings Family:

    Norma Jennings                                          Peggy Lipton
    Hank Jennings                      [husband]            Chris Mulkey
    Annie Blackburne                    [sister]          Heather Graham
    Vivian Niles                        [mother]              Jane Greer
    Ernie "The Professor" Niles    [step-father]             James Booth

The Johnsons:

    Shelly Johnson                                         Madchen Amick
    Leo Johnson      [husband]                                Eric Da Re

The Milford Family:

    Douglas "Dougie" Milford                       [dead]       Tony Jay
    Lana Budding Milford          [Dougie's widow]          Robyn Lively
    Mayor Dwayne Milford                 [brother]           John Boylan

The Marshs:

    Evelyn Marsh                                        Annette McCarthy
    Jeffery Marsh    [Evelyn's husband] [dead]             John Apicella
    Malcolm Sloan               [lover] [dead]             Nicholas Love

Other Twin Peaks Residents:

    Dr. Lawrence Jacoby                                     Russ Tamblyn

    Margaret Lanterman       [The Log Lady]         Catherine E. Coulson

    John Justice Wheeler                                      Billy Zane

    Harold Smith                            [dead]      Lenny Von Dohlen
    Real Mrs. Tremond   [Harold's neighbor]                 Mae Williams

One Eyed Jack's:

    Jean Renault                           [dead]          Michael Parks
    Jacques Renault   [Jean's brother #1]  [dead]        Walter Olkewicz
    Bernard Renault          [brother #2]  [dead]            Clay Wilcox
    Blackie O'Reilly                       [dead]        Victoria Catlin
    Nancy O'Reilly     [Blackie's sister]                    Gaylyn Gorg
    RCMP Officer Preston King                            Gavan O'Herlihy

The Other Side:

    "Killer Bob"                                             Frank Silva
    Man From Another Place        [The Dream Dwarf]  Michael J. Anderson
    The Giant                                            Carel Struycken
    Phillip Michael Gerard/"Mike" [The One-Armed Man]         Al Strobel
    "Sycamore Trees"                                      James V. Scott
    Pierre Tremond                [The Boy Magician]   Austin Jack Lynch
    Dream Mrs. Tremond            [Pierre's grandmother]     Frances Bay

The Court System:

    Judge Clinton Sternwood                                   Royal Dano
    Sid                     [The Judge's law clerk]    Claire Stansfield
    District Attorney Daryl Lodwick                       Ritch Brinkley
    Wilson Mooney           [Hank Jenning's Lawyer]            Jed Mills
    Mr. Racine               [Leo Johnson's Lawyer]       Van Dyke Parks

Twin Peaks High School:

    Principal George Wolchezk                                 Troy Evans
    Vice-Principal                                             Don Calfa
    P.E. Teacher/Cheerleading Coach                           Lisa Cloud
    Wrestling Coach                                           Ron Taylor
    Mike "Snake" Nelson              [Bobby's friend]   Gary Hershberger

Horne's Department Store Staff:

    Emory Battis                                   [dead]  Don Amendolia
    Richard "Dick" Tremayne                                 Ian Buchanan
    Jenny                   [Perfume Counter Girl]       Lisa Ann Cabasa

Great Northern Hotel Staff:

    Trudy Chelgren                   [waitress]   Jill Rogosheske Engels
    Louie                          [desk clerk]            Bellina Logan
    Julie                           [concierge]           Diane Caldwell
    Randy St. Croix                 [concierge]                Ron Blair
    Room Service Waiter                                      Hank Worden
    Samantha            [Ben Horne's secretary]           Susan Sundholm

Minor Characters:

    Caroline Powell Earle                     [dead]   Brenda E. Mathers
    Gwen                       [Lucy Moran's sister]   Kathleen Wilhoite
    Tim Pinkle                                           David L. Lander
    Reverend Clarence Brocklehurst                    Royce D. Applegate
    Dell Mibbler                              [dead]           Ed Wright
    Colonel Riley                                            Tony Burton
    Irene Littlehorse                                    Geraldine Keams
    Nicholas "Little Nicky" Needleman                      Joshua Harris
    Thadilonius "Toad" Barker  [RR Diner Patron]             Kevin Young
    Heidi                                                    Andrea Hays
    Joey Paulson               [James' friend]              Brett Vadset
    Scotty                     [Joey's friend]             Rodney Harvey

    Julee Cruise      [girl singer at the roadhouse]        Julee Cruise
    TV Reporter                                               Mark Frost
    Louise Dombrowski                                      Emily Fincher

Pawns:

    Eric Powell             [Dead Drifter]  [dead]      Craig MacLachlan
    Rusty Tomaski     [Heavy Metal Victim]  [dead]             Ted Raimi

Insurance Men:

    Mr. Neff                                              Mark Lowenthal
    Leo's Insurance Man                                  Ian Abercrombie

Ghostwood Estate Investors:

    Einar Thorson             [Iceland]                     Brian Straub
    Heba                      [Iceland]                      Mary Stavin
    Sven Jorgensen             [Norway]                   Arnie Stenseth
    Mr. Tojamura (Catherine)    [Japan]   Fumio Yamaguchi (Piper Laurie)

"Invitation to Love" Cast:

    Martin Hadley ("Chet")                                   Lance Davis
    Selina Swift ("Jade"/"Emerald")                       Erika Anderson
    Evan St. Vincent ("Jared Lancaster")             Peter Michael Goetz
    Jason Denbo ("Montana")                                 Rick Giolito
--
David E. Coufal                                          dcoufal@athena.mit.edu
 "One time I removed all the hair from a mouse with Nair-Hair just to
  see what it looked like.  And it looked beautiful." - David K. Lynch
           "Let's hear it for the vague blur." - P. K. Dick

References: 
Sender: KDC@ccu.umanitoba.ca

Followup-To: 
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Keywords: 

OK, one more try at getting this request for help out
(he needs more help than he thinks :-}  )
I snagged a couple of those .GIF files and would like to "process"
them.  This is my first attempt to use .GIF files.   
I have a utility called CSHOW but it doesn't recognize the
files.   DO they have to be unpacked or some such thing first?
What is the next step in getting Coop's mug on my screen ?
 Ken


p.s. BIZARRO cartoon in today's paper:
(old man in death bed, two worried people leaning over)
caption reads:
 I.. have a...confession...to make  
 I was...only...pretending...to
  understand David Lynch

    Can someone please tell me where I can find the "Twin-Peaks" sounds  for
the Amiga ? I have looked in Audrey and they only have them for the Mac.

                            Thanks alot !

________________________________________________________________________________
          AMIGA!    |  Richard Moore        |
          ____      |  R_MOORE@HAL.NSU.EDU  | Disclaimer: Who Me ?
         ///  \     |                       |
        ///    \    |%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% 
 \\\   /// ___  \   |  Jesus saves sinners and redeems them for valuable cash
  \\\ ///        \  |  prizes !
   \\X//      \   \ |
____________________|___________________________________________________________

IMHO, Cooper was destroyed by the Black Lodge because of lack of purity.

As he explained to Audrey, he fell in love with Earle's wife.  We have no way o
fknowing if anything steamy resulted, but we can guess that it did.  Therefore,
for sleeping with a married woman, he became too impure for the Lodge.

Just my $.02 US worth.
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| ASAHC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU                                 ABFRL, NERA'G IBH?  |
| ASHER B. SAMUELS                                                          |
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> >In article <BMESMER.91Oct31064213@occs.alt> bmesmer@occs.alt (Carl Van Muckenhoupt) writes:

> >I know that Windham gets 'killed' among the ruckus in that sequence by Bob
> >(was it?)...but what is the difference in fates between Bob, Windham,
> >Coop, Laura?  Has it been 25 years for Bob, or is he special?  Is it that
> >Windham won't be back, but Coop, Bob, and Laura may?  I am a bit confused
> >about this point...also, they have already filmed the upcoming movie 
> >(theater? tv?) for TWIN PEAKS.  One of those music awards (MTV?) programs
> >showed Chris Isaak accepting his award w/ the tp backdrop, and K. MacLaughlin
> >alongside him...anyone saw that?  There was a suggestion amongst these files
> >that Lynch was coming back in 25 years...was that meant literally?  If so,
> >I hope the bugs won't get at the film...I am dying to see what happened
> >to Audrey, et. al.

I can't tell if this was a joke, but... the movie is for theatrical 
release although there have been rumours of a possible 2 hour 
(tv) conclusion to the last episode.

Anyway, the MTV music awards showed a clip of Chris Isaak accepting his
award at the film site.  Kyle was not there, but his chair was.

Also, someone suggested that Lynch will make another Twin Peaks movie
of some sort in 25 years somehow relating this to the 25 year gap
referred to in the black lodge scenes.  This was speculation.

Rocky Giovinazzo

***********************  S P O I L E R S ! ! ! !  *************************












> >    Also, I have a question - it was stated in one episode that in the black
> >lodge only a certain type of person would be able to survive or else his soul
> >would  be totally destroyed.  It appears Cooper did not meet the requirements
> >but that perhaps the OAM might have.  What do people reckon about this thought? 
> >It would end doubt and speculation as to Cooper's fate in the lodge.

 Good question. From my recollection, I remember Hawk saying that only a
person with a perfect soul could survive in the Black Lodge.  I think that
Cooper is a good man, but had his failings. it seems to me that only Annie,
someone who lived so long in a monestary, had the total strnegth of moral
character to survive the Black Lodge.


"I understand your concerns. Request denied."
                       - Captain Data, USS Southerland
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He wasn't defeated by the Black Lodge. We are meant to THINK he was,
but he wasn't. It's all part of the plan. It won the battle, but we 
know who will win the war in Spring '92.

Here at CMU there is a simple way to get those images to appear on the
screen.  You must first put all the parts together, but you need to have
all the headers removed.  This means all those things that say "cut
here," if it has those (I can't remember).  You save the entire file
without the headers.  You then type the command "cat
[filename]|uudecode."  Actually I can't tell if that's right, because on
the dinosaur I'm typing this on that | character looks like a segmented
vertical bar.  Anyway it should be a solid vertical bar.  Once you've
done that, a new file will appear.  This new file is whatever it says at
the top of the gif after begin 664, such as "twin-peaks_arrest.gif." 
The final step is using a viewing program (here, it's called xview) to
see the image.

I hope that helps.

Eric

In article <91304.134423ASAHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> ASAHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
> >IMHO, Cooper was destroyed by the Black Lodge because of lack of purity.
> >
> >As he explained to Audrey, he fell in love with Earle's wife.  We have no way o
> >fknowing if anything steamy resulted, but we can guess that it did.  Therefore,
> >for sleeping with a married woman, he became too impure for the Lodge.

I don't remember any references to religious purity.  Hawk said that
if one faces the lodge with "imperfect courage" it would "utterly 
annihilate your soul."  Success at the lodge seems (to me) to be governed more
by fear, love, and courage than purity.

Rocky Giovinazzo

The subject says it all.  What is the full address of audrey?  
Thanks for the info,
Tim S.   storey@enuxha.eas.asu.edu

"This is brain surgery, not rocket science!"

In article <1991Nov1.151510.27920@risky.ecs.umass.edu>, giovin@medr0.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
> > 
> > In article <91304.134423ASAHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> ASAHC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
>> > >IMHO, Cooper was destroyed by the Black Lodge because of lack of purity.
>> > >
>> > >As he explained to Audrey, he fell in love with Earle's wife.  We have no way o
>> > >fknowing if anything steamy resulted, but we can guess that it did.  Therefore,
>> > >for sleeping with a married woman, he became too impure for the Lodge.
> > 
> > I don't remember any references to religious purity.  Hawk said that
> > if one faces the lodge with "imperfect courage" it would "utterly 
> > annihilate your soul."  Success at the lodge seems (to me) to be governed more
> > by fear, love, and courage than purity.
> > 
> > Rocky Giovinazzo
> > 

Yup. Impurity has nothin' to do with it.   As Rocky says, it's  "imperfect courage" that is the problem and there is evidence in the last episode of that.

In any case, if we allow quasi official stuff like Laura's Diary and SADC's Autobiography, then it is clear from the latter that Coop and Caroline did commit adultery.  That's why I like him for Lancelot and her for Guineviere with WE as Arthur.  By the way, Arthur was no goody-goody. He got Merlin to cast a spell so that he could commit adultery himself with the wife of one of his enemies that he was infatuated with. Merlins price was a child (the offspring of that union?).

-Rich Haller

Did anyone notice a new movie coming out (I think it premiers today)
which stars Everett McGill and Wendie Robie? Does anyone know what this
movie is and what it is about?

y

-- "OF all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most" Jill Lilly lillyj@ohsu3b2.ohsu.edu

In article <1991Nov1.191843.6723@ennews.eas.asu.edu> storey@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Timothy S. Storey) writes:
> >The subject says it all.  What is the full address of audrey?  

audrey.sait.edu.au      [130.220.16.88]

evan@neiman says, roughly, that he observed the owls really are evil
because of the long shot of an owl just before the sattelite hit
Rick in Northern Exposure.  I'm sure you all know this, but, "The
owls are _not what they seem_."  -- not necessarily evil, since (switching
over to TP now), the giant and other benevolent visitors may have also
been the owls. . .   Well, it's a thought.

I was at Blockbuster Video last night, and they had Twin Peaks
videos available for rent.  A while ago, my boyfriend and I rented
the Twin Peaks pilot they'd put on tape and were extremely
disappointed with it; they had tacked on an ending just to make
it more like a movie.  But they have also released the first
six episodes on tape now which you could probably find in any
video rental store.

In article <1991Nov1.210601.8206@nntp.uoregon.edu>, rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu
(Rich Haller) says:
> >
> >WE as Arthur.  By the way, Arthur was no goody-goody. He got Merlin to cast a
> >spell so that he could commit adultery himself with the wife of one of his
> >enemies that he was infatuated with. Merlins price was a child (the offspring f
> >o
> >that union?).
> >

That was Arthur's father, Uther Pendragon.  Arthur was the child taken by
Merlin.

In article <29567@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>, boyajian@ruby.dec.com (The fox so cunning
and free) says:

> >You are correct. Laura's tap on the nose and the Bookhouse Boys' "hi sign"
> >are *not* the same.
> >
I just reviewed the episode where Cooper is introduced to the Bookhouse Boys.
At the RR Diner, the sign is the index finger pulled down the side of the
from the temple.  Later, at the Bookhouse, there seems to be another sign,
almost a flicking from the eyebrow.  In any case, apologies for associating
Laura's nose-tapping with the Bookhouse Boys.

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Admit Cooper is dead (Dare I say it, "long live Bob") I almost cried and beat the %$#@*&!! out of the TV when I saw that.  
Oh in comment to another article:    
Cooper was too impure for the Lodge? No, I don't think so. He was in loce with Caroline, Windahm's wife. I read the Coop's autobiography and Windham Earl arranged it so that they could fall in love. Why? I do not know. Hell the man was insane don't ask me.  Cooper's love for Caroline was pure and I think this outweighed any sins which are defined by our society.  
Remember this is Twin Peaks we's talkin' here and only truly trancedental emanings hold true.

In article <1991Nov1.220542.6599@ohsu.edu>, lillyj@ohsu3b2.ohsu.edu (Jill Lilly) writes:
> >Did anyone notice a new movie coming out (I think it premiers today)
> >which stars Everett McGill and Wendie Robie? Does anyone know what this
> >movie is and what it is about?

yep saw it last night.  Its Wes Craven's new film, The people under the stairs.
Its probably the most entertaining Wes Craven film I've seen. 

brad
--
bradley g wherry             |  Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; 
wherry@alazif.cxo.dec.com    |     e luce ad tenebras.

            "Just being weird isn't enough anymore."

In article <1991Nov1.220542.6599@ohsu.edu> lillyj@ohsu3b2.ohsu.edu (Jill Lilly) writes:
> >Did anyone notice a new movie coming out (I think it premiers today)
> >which stars Everett McGill and Wendie Robie? Does anyone know what this
> >movie is and what it is about?

It's called THE PEOPLE UNDER THE STAIRS, directed by Wes Craven. I
haven't seen it, but "Big Ed" and "Nadine" play a married couple
that are up to no good.
--
David E. Coufal                                          dcoufal@athena.mit.edu
 "One time I removed all the hair from a mouse with Nair-Hair just to
  see what it looked like.  And it looked beautiful." - David K. Lynch
           "Let's hear it for the vague blur." - P. K. Dick

 RH> In any case, if we allow quasi official stuff like Laura's Diary and
 RH> SADC's Autobiography, then it is clear from the latter that Coop and
 RH> Caroline did commit adultery.  That's why I like him for Lancelot and her
 RH> for Guineviere with WE as Arthur.  By the way, Arthur was no goody-goody.
 RH> He got Merlin to cast a spell so that he could commit adultery himself
 RH> with the wife of one of his enemies that he was infatuated with. Merlins
 RH> price was a child (the offspring of that union?).
 RH> 
 RH> -Rich Haller

The Twin Peaks vs. Arthurian saga comparison has some interesting points.  But I
believe that the spell request to Merlin above was actually from Uther Pendragon,
Arthur's father, and that the child Merlin claimed from the union was Arthur
himself.

Arthur Davis


 * Origin: Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast (1:109/716.919)

traveler@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU writes:

> > Picture this: It is 25 years later.  Cooper's doppelganger,
> > which emerged from the Black Lodge in the last episode,
> > has impersonated him for 2 1/2 decades, wreaking havoc in 
> > the name of BOB--or, the doppleganger was captured and put
> > into a mental institution (people believing it was an insane
> > Cooper)--OR, it was somehow killed.  NOW, perhaps due to 
> > astrological influences, the real Cooper, maybe with the 
> > real Laura, returns to this world.  And just in time, for
> > Twin Peaks is once again in great danger, for some reason...

Hmm! Interesting twist... it seems the Coop will have aged 25 years.
I don't have my copy of <My Life, My Tapes> handy, but if I recall, he's
in his mid 30's now, which would place him in his early 60's. Laura, on
the other hand, will not have aged at all. Come to think of it, it's
probable that Bob hasn't aged since young Leland knew "Mr Robertson",
so perhaps she has become one of them (possibly on the side of good --
I don't think it's been established whether in dying she escaped Bob
or succumbed to him). While Coop might come out as an older person in
the flesh, Laura might only be able to interact with people by 
possessing them. What if, say, James returns and reunites with Donna,
and their daughter is possessed by Laura -- would her parents believe
her? What would she do? And would Laura and Coop know what had happened
in TP in the time that had passed?

What would the characters be doing?

I would guess that Sarah Palmer might have died by then, or, becoming
utterly strange, formed a less formal, more spiritual version of the
Bookhouse Boys with Major Briggs and the Log Lady.

The major would have retired from the military soon after the events of
the TV series, possibly to pursue spiritual avenues.

The One Armed Man would also hook up with the Major and the Log Lady, et al.

Harry and Hawk would continue at the station, with Hawk occasionally
advising Major Briggs.

Andy and Lucy would marry and continue as is.

Ben would, I think, after some upheaval, continue to run his local
businesses, but with a lower, more philanthropic profile.

His brother Jerry would take over One Eyed Jacks.

Catherine would continue to cause trouble. Come to think of it, Sylvia
Horne might well divorce Ben after word comes out as to what he'd been
up to, and Ben might well marry Catherine, cementing a potential financial
dynasty.

Norma would continue to run the diner as long as possible, probably well
past the 25 year mark.

Hank might well get killed doing something dumb in the midst of an
overly complicated scam. 

Leo might stumble back into town, but would never recover from his wounds
and mistreatment. He would probably be institutionalised, or might stumble
into traffic.

Drs. Jacoby and Hayward would continue with their practices.

Gersten (sp?) Hayward would become the house pianist at the Great Northern's
Restaurant, and would sit in with the Girl Singer's band.

Albert Rosenfeld would probably never change, though he might discover he
had more in common with the Log Lady and the Major than he thought. Perhaps
he got this rough exterior from trying to avoid dealing with odd experiences
and encounters with the unexplainable?

Ronette Polaski would move far away from Twin Peaks, and drop out of touch
with everyone.

Johnny Horne wouldn't change much either.

Pierre Tremond would take over the management of Solitaire Canning and
Shipping.
It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

 In article 14381, Rich Haller writes:

> >In any case, if we allow quasi official stuff like Laura's Diary
> >and SADC's Autobiography, then it is clear from the latter that 
> >Coop and Caroline did commit adultery.  That's why I like him
> >for Lancelot and her for Guineviere with WE as Arthur.  By the
> >way, Arthur was no goody-goody. He got Merlin to cast a spell
> >so that he could commit adultery himself with the wife of one
> >of his enemies that he was infatuated with. Merlins price was a
> >child (the offspring of that union?).

Rich:
Do be careful with confusing the whos of the Arthurian
legends. It was not Arthur Pendragon who contracted the sorcery of
Merlyn, it was his father Uther. Under magical guise ("The Charm of
Making", from the Excalibur flick (('Annal nathrack..')), Uther raped
one Igraine, at the time wife of the Earl of Cornwall. The offspring
was Arthur, who was taken by Merlyn (in the film, as payment) and
given unto the care of Sir Ector. Although the film diverges wildly
from here on out with respect to the Sir Thomas Malory telling (_The
Death of Arthur_, retold in _The Once and Future King_ by T.H.White),
it does cover this most important history rather well. 
IMHO, a comparison of Cooper and Arthur is quite valid  -- both
Arthur and Cooper eventually suffer from "their sins coming home to
roost", as White says. After all, Arthur did eventually sleep with his
own sister Morgause, and Coop did sleep with WE's wife Caroline.
Even if they committed these acts unaware of the inherent evil, this
counts for nothing in tragedy where "innocence is not enough".
TP and the Arthurian legend also share the immortal quality of
true Aristotelian tragedy: the evil will get what they deserve, and
the good will meet with extraordinary bad luck.

S.Christopher Best
o5kj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu

In article <1991Oct22.125757.28512@rdg.dec.com>, leslie@leslie.reo.dec.com (andy leslie) writes:
> > --
> > My apologies to those who already have these, but I'm reposting the
> >  gif files I have to satisfy the recent requests.
> > 
> > If anyone has any more, let me know!

I'd like to suggest that alt.binaries.pictures or some other similar
newsgroup would be a better place to post these. Personally, I get alt.tv.twin-peaks
on my home machine and I would rather avoid the connect charges incurred
by the transfer of large amounts of GIF data. I have nothing against
posting these somewhere, but I think that a.tv.t-p is basically a discussion-type
newsgroup; it might be better to only a notice here and the actual GIF
files elsewhere.

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In article <1991Oct29.144047.9238@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
> >   Yes, the record Leland is playing while he dances with Laura's
> >photograph.  I'd like some more information about this.  Who wrote
> >it?  Who performed it?  Is it well-known or obscure?  Is the title
> >a phone number or what?  Does it have any other lines?

     The song is a Glenn Miller classic and I believe the title refers to a
train route.

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
?     \|/                |       Now I lay me down to sleep,                  ?
?     / \        Are     |       I pray the funk will make me freak,          ?
?    /   \        we     |       If I should die before I waked,              ?
?   / * * \     having   |       Allow me Lord to rock out naked!             ?
?  @  ___  @   fun yet?  |                                                    ?
?   \_____/              |       "Sir Psycho Sexy" -- Red Hot Chili Peppers   ? 
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

In article <1991Oct31.174834.370@desire.wright.edu>, kmetz@desire.wright.edu writes:
>> >>    Also, I have a question - it was stated in one episode that in the black
>> >>lodge only a certain type of person would be able to survive or else his soul
>> >>would  be totally destroyed.  It appears Cooper did not meet the requirements
>> >>but that perhaps the OAM might have.  What do people reckon about this thought? 
>> >>It would end doubt and speculation as to Cooper's fate in the lodge.
> >
> > Good question. From my recollection, I remember Hawk saying that only a
> >person with a perfect soul could survive in the Black Lodge.  I think that
               ^^^^^^^
> >Cooper is a good man, but had his failings. it seems to me that only Annie,
> >someone who lived so long in a monestary, had the total strnegth of moral
> >character to survive the Black Lodge.

    You obviously must be misquoting Hawk.  If you think that's what he said   
(note pointers), then that means that NO ONE (human, at least) could survive   
the Black Lodge.

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
?     \|/                |       Now I lay me down to sleep,                  ?
?     / \        Are     |       I pray the funk will make me freak,          ?
?    /   \        we     |       If I should die before I waked,              ?
?   / * * \     having   |       Allow me Lord to rock out naked!             ?
?  @  ___  @   fun yet?  |                                                    ?
?   \_____/              |       "Sir Psycho Sexy" -- Red Hot Chili Peppers   ? 
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

ARTHUR DID NOT SLEEP WITH HIS ENEMY WIFE! It was Arthur's father. Arthur was

the child and he was taken by Merlin who gave him to a family. When he grew 
up

he pulled a sword from a stone and the rest is history!

In article <1991Nov1.220542.6599@ohsu.edu> lillyj@ohsu3b2.ohsu.edu (Jill Lilly) writes:
> >Did anyone notice a new movie coming out (I think it premiers today)
> >which stars Everett McGill and Wendie Robie? Does anyone know what this
> >movie is and what it is about?
> >

The movie you are talking about is Wes Craven's "People Under The Stairs".
Let's say that it is the kind of movie that David Lynch might have made 
if he was under the influence of some illicit substance.  

Excellent performances from both Everett and Wendie.  Never thought I would 
see "Nadine" or "Big Ed" as sadistic child-rearers.  I kept thinking - 
did Wes Craven watch "Twin Peaks" or what.

And by the way, it can be seen by some as scary - but my friends and I just
laughed through the last 25 minutes of the movie.

=============================================================================
Sanford M. Dickert                                  ncc1701a@isl.stanford.edu
Computer Science Robotics Laboratory      
"What's ARTISAN?"  "One hell of a force control robot....."

Some of this info might be old:

1. The movie is going to take place two years before the show and then the last
seven days of Laura Palmer's life.  It is also supposed to touch upon the 
wierdness at the end of the last cliffhanger episode.

2. Laura will be the main character, but Cooper will still be in it.  Maybe
they will show the Cooper/Windom Earle/Caroline stuff.

3. Audry will not be in it and Donna has been recast, both because of previous
committments.  This is fact because Catherine Coulsine (sp?) visited USC
and someone who saw her  told me she said this.

4. She also hinted that after the movie, it might be returning to television.

5. Casting: Harry Dean Stanton, Kiefer Sutherland, Chris Isaac, and David Bowie
who is supposedly flaying a fed. Maybe the others are as well.
You can't have too many F.B.I. guys in the movie.

6.  It has finished filming and is going to be released in March. (So said on
E!)

I have scripts to the pilot and fist, second, and sixth hour episodes, and the tenth episode of the second season.  Many scenes were changed and cut out. 
I also had pages of script fromt the first hour of the two hour finale as well
as a complete shooting script from the second hour with all the wierd lodge 
stuff.  The kicker is  I had these two months before the episdoe aired.  A
friend of mine had a friend who did lighting and he somehow got them.  Many
things were omitted from the final episode unfortunately.  More on that next 
time.

-Stinky Lomax

I just checked into my LaserDisc buyer for the latest news about
getting the episodes on disc. There's good news and bad news....
There is going to be a boxed set of all 29 episodes on disc.
The bad news is that as of now, they are only going to be available
in Japan, probably with Japanese subtitles. The worse news is that
importing them brings up the cost t about *SIX HUNDRED* dollarss.

As soon as i heard they were going to be available, I asked to
place a preorder. Then they told me the price. I picked up my
jaw and decided to wait. Does anybody want to call worldvision
productions to find out an update on Discs in the US?

I figure that the Euro pilot episode took about a year to get here.
I just don't want to wait that long.......

Jason Bilsky   fuzzbox@world.std.com

subject: tp trivia
keywords: wiseguy, Lynchborough

Has anyone seen the episodes from "Wiseguy" which was about a
place called "Lynchborough", serial killer, and the line "Let 
your smile be your umbrella." being used? This same line was 
used in Twin Peaks.  I only caught bits of two episodes on this
theme/story line.  Other details: A deputy turned out to be the
killer, who killed himself.  There was something about a 
"Sardonicus" (sp could be wrong) old movie obsession.  Is there such
a movie for real?  Is there any more soaps/serials that parodies
TP just as TP did to them?

In article 8191 Ben F. Plavin writes:

> >  Kyle Machlaclan wasin The Hidden, Dune, Blue Velvet

Blue Velvet sounds like a grot movie, do you get to see his buns?

--------------- Barbara Leidl - barbl@anutech.anu.edu.au----------
                        Rob Tom & Associates Pty Ltd
                          Canberra   Australia
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In article <D2150056.trxqnl@erics.infoserv.com>, erics@infoserv.com (Eric S. Smith) writes:
> > 
> > In article <1991Oct22.125757.28512@rdg.dec.com>, leslie@leslie.reo.dec.com (andy leslie) writes:
>> > > --
>> > > My apologies to those who already have these, but I'm reposting the
>> > >  gif files I have to satisfy the recent requests.
>> > > 
>> > > If anyone has any more, let me know!
> > 
> > I'd like to suggest that alt.binaries.pictures or some other similar
> > newsgroup would be a better place to post these. Personally, I get alt.tv.twin-peaks
> > on my home machine and I would rather avoid the connect charges incurred
> > by the transfer of large amounts of GIF data. I have nothing against
> > posting these somewhere, but I think that a.tv.t-p is basically a discussion-type
> > newsgroup; it might be better to only a notice here and the actual GIF
> > files elsewhere.

Well, after looking at the quality of a few of these GIFs, I have to
amend this to say why did anyone bother to post these at all?

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In article <1991Nov2.194416.8370@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>
o5kj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes: 

> >Under magical guise ("The Charm of Making", from the Excalibur flick
> >(('Annal nathrack..')), Uther raped[...]

As long as we're on the subject, does anyone know the "Charm of
Making" from the film Excalibur, and if it has any English translation
(i.e., if it is in any "real" language).

Just a bit of trivia I'd like to have on hand...

Just a simple question:

After reading the tp-timeline, I am wondering wether it is justified
to identify twin-peaks with David Lynch. Considering the number of directors 
involved and the aesthetical differences in their work and  their
different history (coming from film or tv), I think we should
not speak of tp in general as being a work of Lynch.

Does anyone know more about the production process of tp, e.g. was
Lynch involved in all episodes (e.g. in postproduction) or how
much of the script was written by Lynch and how much by Frost ??


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O.K.  Here is the bizarre question of the month...  I need the
following dates (day and year)

David Lynch's birthday
The day the Packard mill burned down (the first time)
The day/year Twin Peaks was founded.  

I don't know the first one, and I couldn't find the last two in any of
the three books.

Please EMail me, and thanks in advance!

-Chris


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            chrisb@golem.ps.uci.edu
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What are you talking about?

Who is "audrey"?

(If anyone mentions the Doritos commercial, DON'T)

***********************************************************************
*           "I am the Doctor...whether you like it or not."           *
*                  Doctor to Peri, The Twin Dilemma.                  *
***********************************************************************
*           "I'm in a deep sensation, a limbo void of time"           *
*  Paula Abdul, State of Attraction from the album Forever Your Girl  *
***********************************************************************
*                    "Damn fine coffee...and HOT!"                    *
* Cooper after sipping Lucy's coffee and spewing it out of his mouth. *
***********************************************************************

Hello

I saw a movie promo about three girls who pose for Playboy and one story has
Major Briggs (can't remember his name) in a role as a father of a young college
girl who posed for the magazine.




Regards,



Don Kasprzak
UToledo

Rich Haller wrote:

(Geez, Rich, please use some carriage returns when you post; not using them
makes it really hard for people to quote your text in their replies...)

> > By the way, Arthur was no goody-goody. He got Merlin to cast a spell so
> > that he could commit adultery himself with the wife of one of his enemies
> > that he was infatuated with. Merlins price was a child (the offspring of
> > that union?).

Are you sure about this? If the movie EXCALIBUR is to be trusted as an
accurate retelling of the Arthurian legends, it was Arthur's FATHER (Uther?)
who "got Merlin to cast a spell so he could commit adultery" and ARTHUR who
was the offspring of that union.

I've been putting off buying any of the books due to a lack of funds.
But while I was in the University Bookstore the other day buying some
engineering paper (yuk!)  I noticed an employee wheeling out a cart full
of books to put on the sale table.  And what to my suprise do I find on
the sale table but _The Secret Diary_, _My Life, My Tapes, and _Twin
Peaks: An Access Guide to The Town.  I picked all three of them up for
$1.99 each.  Yeah!

                             Ken

+-------------------------+---------------------------------------------------+
| Ken Kirksey             |  "Funny how everything was roses                  |
| Computer Engineering    |   when we held on to the guns,                    | 
|                         |   And just because your're winning                |
|                         |   don't mean you're the lucky ones."              |
| Auburn University       |                                                   |
| kkirksey@eng.auburn.edu |                     - W. Axl Rose                 | 
+-------------------------+---------------------------------------------------+

I am an ardent Wiseguy fan, and yes, I remember seeing that series.
Vinnie went undercover as a deputy to investigate the murders. The
main suspect was a the mayor, a very wierd hermit who was attached
to the film "Sardonicus." He knew it word for word. It ended up 
that he was obsessed with eternal life and was about to finance
a hospital for the area where cryogenic experiments would be 
performed. He already had both his parents in stasis in cylinders in
their crypt. It was very freaky. I hadn't thought of it as a parody
of TP, and I think that it may have even preceded the show itself.
Wiseguy was a great show. The Sonny Steelegrave saga was some of the
best television ever to hit the boob toob. It was different, just 
like TP, but it lost its edge and died two years ago without its star.
Damn. Just like the general american viewing public to give up on
shows that make them think. Just like TP.

See ya in March '92 in the movie houses.

<Be cool or be cast out.> - RUSH.

Here is the extra stuff that is in the Twin Peaks scripts that many of you 
have written me about. Now I will tell you...

First, however, to the people that have been commenting on those Wiseguy 
episodes with the similiar TP plots.  I heard that someone involved with 
Wiseguy got their hands on the pilot script for Twin Peaks and that is what
they based the episodes on.  I mean come on,the town is named after David Lynch

Now, on to the scripts.  The first two hour episode is referred to as "pilot"
and the second show (the first hour show) is referred to as episode #001, 
second hour show as episode #002 and so on, so not to create confusion, this is
how I will refer to them. I am not going to write every different word used, 
but I will tell you all the major differences.  This is going to be a long one
so you all better thank me!

Pilot: revised first draft-December 7, 1988.
Harry Truman's name was at first Dan Steadman (thank god they changed it)
Tommy "The Hawk" Hill as originally a black man named Bernie Hill (same as 
above)
Josie was originally Giovana, an italian women (so it would have been the mofia instead of the yakuza)
Ronnette's name was Sharon
Cooper talks into a microphone attached to a recorder 
The road house is called Hemingways.
cooper whistles "Rapsidy in Blue"
Sharrif gets a call from Giovana (Josie) about a prowler before he goes up 
there (obviously an excuse)
Mrs. Palmer doesn't have a vision at the end, the hand is only shown taking the
necklace.

Episode #001 1st-July 12, 1989, 2nd-Aug. 10, 1989  3rd-Aug. 18, 1989
There is a little unimportant dialogue about Lucy ordering donuts.
As Lucy and Andy pull exit the donut shop, Harry pulls up:

Harry: Can I give you three a lift?
Lucy: But shariff, there's only two of us.
Harry and Andy look at each other

Little extra dialogue with Coop and Audry between do you like my ring and do 
your palms ever itch.

A:Do you like my ring?
C:It's very nice.
A:My father bought it for me. My father was crazy about Laura. He bought her a
pony when she was nine, but he let her father say it was from him.  Its name 
was Troy.  Do your palms ever itch.  

When Norma picks up Shelly, Shelly gets into the car:
N:Leo sure keeps that truck up, doesn't he?
S:He sure does.
N:(see's Shelly's condition) We're a couple a'characters, aren't we Shelly?
S:Norma, you said a mouthful.
N:Guys...
S:Guys...
N:You hear what happened at the Roadhouse last night?
S:No.
N:Big fight. Bobby Briggs hit Ed Hurley with some brass knuckles--
S:Bobby hit Ed? Weird.
They look at each other, each knowing the other's secret but not saying so.
N:Ed's got a concussion. Then Bobby and Mike got into it with the Bookhouse
Boys, took two patrol cars to break it up.  Bobby and Mike're probably still 
in jail.
S:Guys...
N:Guys.

Funeral arrangements are made and Jerry Horne comes home an episode early.
Leland:...Palmer, P-A-L-M-E-R...yes, that's correct, my daughter...her name
was Laura...I'm calling to make the arrangements, the funeral, everthing, I 
want everything taken care of, I don't care how much it costs and if you don't
mind, I'd prefer that we not even discuss money...
Ben Horne listens in the hallway.
L:...I don't understand the question...what's the difference? What do you
mean "leak"...seepage?  I think I-- (loses it, almost a moan) --no, don't,
(screams) DON'T TELL ME!!!DON'T TELL ME!!!
He pushes all away form him on desk, goes to stereo and turns on modern jazz
quartet record, 9/4 time, as loud as it can go. Ben goes to L's secretary.
B:Take him to the lounge and call Dr. Jacoby.
She does. Ben goes turns down music and picks up phone.
B:This is Benjamin Horne,who am I speaking to?  ...fine...mahogany and teak?
well, you can forget that, Mr. Formaldehyde, I'm picking up the tab here and 
you vampires are not taking a bite out of my checkbook in order to exploit my
colleague's tragedy...start thinking lead. (slams phone and Jerry enters)
Routine with bellhops getting sandwhich.
J:What's the matter with Leland? Looks like somebody shot his dog.
Rest of conversation is pretty much same as it aired.

Cooper interrogates Mike before he and Bobby are released.
C:So tell me MIke, what are you doing hanging around with a guy like Bobby 
Briggs?
M:he's my friend.
C:You don't seem like such a bad kid to me, but Bobby Briggs could drag you
down straight to hell.  How long has Donna Hayward been your girlfriend?
M:Around two years.
C:Why were you screamin at her and roughing her up last night at the Roadhouse?
M:That's between her and me.
C:Between you and her or you, her and James Hurley?
M:What's that supposed to mean?
C:You guys were out looking for James last night--
M:That's right, he was fooling around with Laura, nest thing we know she's dead and he's out fooling around with Donna.
C:You couldn't find James so you picked a fight with his gang instead.
M:They started it.
C:AFter Bobby decked Ed Hurley with a pair of brass knuckles.
M:He was defending himself--look, I already spent a night in jail, are you
charging me with something?
C:Settle down there punk. I could make one phone call anbd you'd go do far 
away God couldn't find you.  (Cooper smiles, Mike gets the picture, Bobby enter

Josie has a dog named Koro and Coop knows it is Japanese for something, but 
can't remember.

Coop talkes with Jacoby about Johnny Horne.
J:I can't get over it. He just sits ther day after day, I've never seen 
anything like it.
C:Dr. Jacoby, how old is Johnny Horne?
J:27 going on six. (laughs)
Truman:And you've been treating him for how long?
J:Treating him? Well, with Johnny it's not so much a question of treating him--
C:I understand Laura Palmer was his tutor.
J:Mondy, Wed,and Fri,after school.  Those were the same days I'd come to see
Johnny and his mother.  Laura was Johnny's favorite.  He knew which day it was,
too, he'd stand just like that, waiting for her.
C:Does Johnny get out much?
J:Sure, after his schoolwork...Laura would take him out on the grounds hunting
for rubber buffalo with his little sunction cupped bow and arrow set. some
afternoons he'd bag the limit.
T:Was she here on Wednesday afternoon?
J:yes she was. I sat in with them. She read him a story.
C What story was that?
J:Isn't that interesting. It was Sleeping Beauty.
C:You said Laura was a patient of yours as well.
J:Yes.but of course all of that information dwells in the land of client confidentiallity. (pulls coin out of Coop's ear) Johnny loves that trick. he thinks
we found over $400 back there.

Sarah's vision is of Bob running towards us, not at the edge of the bed.

Cooper talking to Norma in diner when order pie (extra lines)
C:I understand yoiu husband, O.Henry Jennings is serving 27 months in the state
prison for manslaughter.
N:Yes he is. I also have a cousin named Sue who runs a beuty shop in downtown
Butte, Montana.
After cooper tries pie he says, "Give me a pen and paper ,I have to write a
poem about this pie."

Laura's tape has a differnt message from Laura and Jacoby doesn't pull out
the necklace:
L:you're always bugging me to tell you what my dreams are, let me tell you]
about this one i had last night.  it was a doozy: I was in a strange room
and there was this little man and this other older man I'd never seen before
either, but they both seemed to know me..there was music.. and I was telling
tall my secrets  to the older man. End of episode.

I gonna take a break.  More very soon.

Jason (Stinky Lomax) hall
jasonhal@usc.edu

I'm back.  Now for episode #002. (the one with the dream at the end)

Audry's note says, "Have you looked into one-eyed jacks" In the last script,
she hears Jerry and Ben talking about it.

Rock throwing scene:
Coop asks Diane to look up word Koro, Josie's dog, he believes the word
is Mandarin (DOES ANYONE KOW WHAT THIS WORD MEANS)
Hawk comments that the sixty feet six inches  is the distance from home plate
to the pitcher's mound (pretty cool, huh?)
Coop notes:'In addition, under the nail on the ring finger of the left hand  of Teresa BAnks, the girl who was murdered last year, we discovered the letter T.
Joey Paulson is on the list.
I have the lines from invotaion to love but I'll wait until another time. 
Small extra conversation between Coop and Truman, not really pertinant.

Convo between Coop and Ben and Jerry
C:Mr. Horne? Benjamine Horne.
B:Agent Cooper I presume.
C:FBI.
B:This is my brother Jerry.
J:Happy to make your acquaintence.
C:I must say this is one handsome and comfortable hotel you have here, gentleman.
B:Thank you. We aim to please.
C:Do you get a lot of the vacation dollar up this way?
B:yes we do, but of course never as much as one would like.
J: Nothing a large resort wouldn't fix.
C: A large resort. Is that Jerry with a "J"?
J:Yes it is.
C: I believe I've met your daughter, Mr. Horne. What a charming and attractive girl. (MY PERSONAL NOTE; ANYONE ELSE THINK IT WAS STUPID JUST TO DROP THE COOP
AND AUDRY ROMANCE.  I REALLY HATED THE COWBOY GUY. COOP AND AUDRY MADE A PERFECT WIERD COUPLE) 
B:Audry?
C:You must be very proud. Well I'll say goodnight. Nice to ahve met you both.
B:Sleep well.
C:I will, The bed is almost exactly the right degree of firmness.
Both B and J think Coop is weird.

Coop tells Diane to look into Jerry Horne as well as Leo and Jacoby.
Coopers dream starts and it begins with Sarag having a vision of Bob at the
end of Laura's bed. The rest of the dream is exactly like the European ending.
That is why when Coop describes his dream, it is more like the Europe end 
than the dream we saw.  (Anyone ever wonder what the red stitches were?)

Now, here is the exact wording of the peom:
Through the darkness of futures past,
the magician longs to see,
one chance out between two worlds...
fire, walk with me...

I am going to take a break and eat. Back later or tomorrow.  Next time:
Episdoe #006 (one before finale) and 10th episode of second season.  
after that...the director's script of the final episode and cut dialogue 
from it!

You better be enjoying this! My fingers are tired!

Jason hall
jasonhal.usc.edu

In article <1991Nov4.182324.1@wombat.newcastle.edu.au>, c8730752@wombat.newcastle.edu.au writes...

} Has anyone seen the episodes from "Wiseguy" which was about a place
} called "Lynchborough", serial killer, and the line "Let your smile be
} your umbrella." being used? This same line was used in Twin Peaks.

Yes, I saw them back when they were first on. I thought they were just
delightfully weird. Unfortunately, the show was having problems with
Ken Wahl at the time, and a lot of kludging had to be done to bring in
the character of Roger Lacocco. Not bad in itself, but it made the
scripting seem very patched.

The odd thing was that this was a pastiche of TWIN PEAKS that appeared
before TP hit the airwaves. The TP pilot had actually been shot quite
a while before it was broadcast, and a lot of industry people were
familiar with it; thus the pastiche appeared before the original.

It's also worth noting that one of the writers of this arc was Robert
Engels, who went on to be one of the principal writers on TP.

} There was something about a "Sardonicus" (sp could be wrong) old
} movie obsession. Is there such a movie for real?

Yes, the movie is real. The title is DR. SARDONICUS, and it was made
by William Castle in 1961.

-- "My father was a tattoo artist in Haiphong. His designs on mother didn't last too long." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM or ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian

In article <21285@chaph.usc.edu>, jasonhal@girtab.usc.edu (Jason Hall) writes:
> >Rock throwing scene:
> >Coop asks Diane to look up word Koro, Josie's dog, he believes the word
> >is Mandarin (DOES ANYONE KOW WHAT THIS WORD MEANS)

    This is the name for a specific type or race of Chinese people.


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?     \|/                |       Now I lay me down to sleep,                  ?
?     / \        Are     |       I pray the funk will make me freak,          ?
?    /   \        we     |       If I should die before I waked,              ?
?   / * * \     having   |       Allow me Lord to rock out naked!             ?
?  @  ___  @   fun yet?  |                                                    ?
?   \_____/              |       "Sir Psycho Sexy" -- Red Hot Chili Peppers   ? 
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Sight & Sound's latest Laserflash lists as forthcoming from Japan a boxed
set of all 29 episodes (not including the pilot) of TWIN PEAKS.

The bad news is that the list price is 61800 Yen, or about $600+. On the
other hand, that's about $20 per one-hour episode, which isn't really all
that bad a deal. It's just an awful big bite to take all at once.

-- "My father was a tattoo artist in Haiphong. His designs on mother didn't last too long." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM or ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian

Nadir U Ahmed <ACPS6410@Ryerson.CA> writes:
> >***********************************************************************
> >*                    "Damn fine coffee...and HOT!"                    *
                            ^^^^
> >* Cooper after sipping Lucy's coffee and spewing it out of his mouth. *
> >***********************************************************************

How about "DAMN good coffee. . . and HOT!"  That's the sound that wakes up
my Mac every morning.  :)

}lips

-- Eric N. Lipscomb, Lab/Network Manager Academic Computing Services Email: comb@sol.acs.unt.edu"Golf is something you do to make lips@vaxb.acs.unt.eduthe rest of your life look good." lipscomb@cc1.acs.unt.edu-- Phil Baczewski

In article <21284@chaph.usc.edu> jasonhal@girtab.usc.edu (Jason Hall) writes:

   Here is the extra stuff that is in the Twin Peaks scripts that many of you 
   have written me about. Now I will tell you...

   Pilot: revised first draft-December 7, 1988.

   Tommy "The Hawk" Hill as originally a black man named Bernie Hill (same as 
   above)

Was it really Bernie and not Barnie/Barnie?  Barnie Hill was the
(black) husband of Betty Hill, the famous couple who claimed to have
been abducted by a UFO.   It would have been appropriate, what with
the Project Blue Book sub-plot (if they had had that in mind at the
time of the creation of the pilot script).

-30-
Bob

I have never FTPed and this system is not capable of it. However I would 
like

to try the mail ftp service. Could some one tell me exactly what I would put 
in

the message word for word to, humm. get a directory of all TP files on 
audry.

Also could some one please tell me how I would DL/UL a file from/to there. 
This

question may belong in another group, but I am not shore where and I don't 
know

if they would know abt. Audry. Thanks a lot.

In article <1644@philtis.cft.philips.nl> hd@cft.philips.nl (Henk Davids @ Philips Medical Systems) writes:

   Just a simple question:

      -- Andy tells Lucy he's sterile:
 Listen to me, Lucy Moran, you just listen.  When the Takoma
 Sperm Bank was looking for donors, naturally I applied.  It's my civic
 duty and I like whales.
 ^^^^^^
   What could that possibly mean? I'm not an American, maybe it's some sort
   of slang?

   Confused,
   Henk

Well, it's a way of pointing out that Andy is confused, too.  He's
confusing sperm with sperm whales, and somehow thinks contributing
the former will help the latter.  Reader of de Sade though I am, I
hesitate to imagine the connection that Andy must have formed.

By the way, is Twin Peaks in the Netherlands shown subtitled or
dubbed?  I wonder how they'd translate the dialogue above into
Dutch...

-30-
Bob

``Doc Hayward said you needed familiar stimulants, so we figured, what
  the hell, kazoos.''

could he have been talking about sperm whales?

In article <1644@philtis.cft.philips.nl> hd@cft.philips.nl (Henk Davids @ Philips Medical Systems) writes:
> >
> >Just a simple question:
> >
>From "The ^Twin Peaks^ Timeline", episode 2002:
> >
> >   -- Andy tells Lucy he's sterile:
> >      Listen to me, Lucy Moran, you just listen.  When the Takoma
> >      Sperm Bank was looking for donors, naturally I applied.  It's my civic
> >      duty and I like whales.
> >                      ^^^^^^
> >What could that possibly mean? I'm not an American, maybe it's some sort
> >of slang?

I assume that Andy had some bizarre notion that they needed the sperm
to save the sperm whales.

On 04-Nov-91 in A small question about whales
user Henk @ P. M. Systems@cft writes:
> >Just a simple question:

with, get this, a simple answer

> > 
>From "The ^Twin Peaks^ Timeline", episode 2002:
> > 
> >   -- Andy tells Lucy he's sterile:
> >      Listen to me, Lucy Moran, you just listen.  When the Takoma
> >      Sperm Bank was looking for donors, naturally I applied.  It's my civic
> >      duty and I like whales.
> >                      ^^^^^^
> >What could that possibly mean? I'm not an American, maybe it's some sort
> >of slang?

nope, not slang... a bad pun.  Sperm, as in Sperm Whales.  Har, har.  :'>
Actually, that line had me rolling with laughter when I first heard it. 
Hee, hee, hee.


> > 
> >Confused,
> > 
Not anymore, I hope!

> >Henk

brendan

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I am back once again.  Everyones thank yous were greatly appreciated.  
Now it is time for episode #006.  If you remember correctly, the previous 
episode ends with Coop entering his room and Audry is in his bed.  The next 
show started with Coop sitting on the edge of the bed and them talking. It was
a little different in the original script. (*Note to person asking if the
writers had in mind the idea of UFO's and the Black and White Lodge in the 
beginning, the answer is no.  If you look closely, the floor of the red room
in Cooper's dream is zig-zag with two different shades of brown.  The floor in
the red room in the final epised is changed to black and white zig zags for 
the Black and White Lodge.  You can tell they bent the story a little to make
it fit the new idea they had of the black and white lodge*) 

Episode #006
First Draft Nov. 3.1989
2nd Nov.8
3rd Nov. 16
4th Nov.17
5th Nov. 18

The episode does not begin with Coop and her talking that night in his room.
It begins with them already at breakfast the next morning.

Camera follows Waitress Truy as she crosses the dining room floor and sets
down two plates stacked with griddlecakes and ham, two glasses of orange 
juice, two cups of coffee, and a small ceramic pitcher of maple syrup. Another
angle reveals special agen Dale cooper and audrey horne.
C:syrup?
A:thank you.
C:sugar?
A:just a little
C:good juice.
A:(loving every shared moment) Do you eat the same thing every day?
C:when I find i like something, I stick with it.
A:me too.
(Audrey levels a loving smile his way.  Coop never looks up from his food)
A:(trying to get his attention) I'm sort of excited.
C:big test at school?
A:Not that I know of. (beat) It's my first day at work. I got a job.
C:Where?
A:That's a secret.
C:audrey, a secret is a dangerous thing.
A:Do you have any?
C: (simply) No.
A:(disappointed) Oh. (beat) But Laura did, didn't she?
C: Laura was full of secrets.
(Audrey just looks of Cooper, a sigh in her heart.  She's never been in
love before)
A:Agent Cooper?
C:Hmm?
A:I'm going to help you learn all of Laura's secrets. We'll learn them together
(Cooper finally looks up from his breakfast, sees the adoring expression on 
her face)
C:Stick to your homework, Audrey.  A high school diploma is nothing to sneeze
at.
(Audrey sees his concer, shakes it off.  She will not be dissuaded.)
A:Homework's for kids. I'm a working girl now. (holding up pitcher) Syrup?

(*I guess they were going to let the audience wonder what happened between
them that night. I think it's obvious nothing did, and I kind of like this]
sequence better than the one used, except for the fact Coop is portrayed as
a more caring and nicer person in the scene used*)

When Audry looks in Battis's black book, both Ronette's and Laura's initials
are in it.  (*it seems they rewrote to unfold the story more slowly, but I
think if they kept some of the things they ommitted, the show would have 
made more complete sense.  You never really find out Ben loved Laura until the 
episode when the killer is revealed, unless you read the Diary.  They never
really explained on the show the jelousy of Audrey of Laura and her father. I
think the show should have been able to be understood better by the people 
who might not have read the extra books.  OF, course I love the books.*)

Catherine has a conversation with Einer (the Norwegian), Ben and Jerry, and
ben tells einer that catherine is going to be Project manager of Ghostwood 
estates. 

Here is an interesting scene that was ommitted.  It takes place after Audrey
leave another message for Coop and the time she slips the note under his door
before going to Jack's. Anyone ever notice that Audrey looks like she's been
crying when she slips the note under the door? Here's why... (*also, did any
one notice that the Asian man who checked in across the hall was the man
who was with Catherine when she was disguiesed as an oriental business man.
that means Catherine had the plan of disguising herself before the mill fire.*)
Now for the omitted scene.
Audry walks down hall and hears her mom, johnny, and jacoby.
johnny:Ahoooooh!
m:Johnny,please-
J:let me handle this, MRs. HOrne, Johnny listen to me-\
johnny:Ahoooooh!
(Audry reacts, wonders.  she steps to the small secret doorway, opens it and
enters)
J:I want you to listen to me, partner. We're partners aren't we pal? Aren't we?
Laura's not coming back, Johnny.  She's gone to someplace safe and warm.  Where every stranger is a friend. and every friend greets you with a smile. All
those smiling faces make a kind of music, johnny. A song that starts deep
inside your heart, a song you knew all your life, but could never quite
remember the melody.  Laura's hearing it now. She's singing for you and for me.
And no one will ever hurt her agian. (to mrs. horne) you mustn't blame yourself
m:I've told you this before, but I've never told you the entire truth. I've 
been holding this inside for so long...when johnny fell.  Johnny was nine. 
Audrey was just a baby, crawling then. she was such an actife little thing.
we were standing at the top of the stairs, talking, Johnny and I. audrey tried
to stand up and pushed against johnny's leg.  he took a step back onot one of
her toys and slipped and thenext thing i knew...johnny was falling down the
stairs...all the way down...he didn't just fall. Audrey pushed him.
(this is one secret Audrey wishes she never learned, she exits her hiding place
so does not hear the rest of the conversation)
J:sylvia, johnny's condition is not the result of a fall or a physical injury
of any kind. his faculties are intact. he has simply retreated to a world of
his own devising, a place where he feels safe. he's chosen to remain a child
demanding our care and attention.  his fall had nothing to do with his current
condition and neither does Audrey.
m:but why?
J:i believe he made this choice in order to escape some emotional psycological
trauma from early childhood or perhaps infancy. and if I can unearth his 
secret, i know i can bring johnny back to us agian.  (johnny comprehends the
conversation and looks away)
(*so Audrey thinks she is responsible for Johnny's condition in the original
script and what would have been his trauma?*)

Waldo's original confession: (in the voice of Laura Palmer):
(*he said Laura, Laura earlier in the script*)
W:Stop it, Leo. That's not funny. I said stop. don't go there. don't go
there. don't go there. Leo, I'm not kidding. You're hurting me. Dammit,
I want you to stop. Please. Aaaaaaaargh!

Maddy originally tell Jacoby to come to Easter park at the gazeebo.
James say to her before he and Donna leave"you know what to do?"
she nods.

I'll post this now, and then type the next one. enjoy!

Jason
jasonhal@usc.edu

Jason again.  Here is episode 2.010 (10th episode from the 2nd season)
1st sept. 27, 1990
2nd oct. 2
3rd oct 5
4th oct 10
final oct 12

this is the episode after the one where leland dies.

there is a little extra conversation between coop and harry, not too important

here are a few extra lines of the Briggs coop conversation at the end.
(*what ever happend to the hooded figure. we see him this episode and twice
another with the owl.  i think he is mentioned in the final episodes director's
script*)

C:major, this is a fascinatinbg concept. the other side of love is not hate,
but fear?
M:absolutely. and fear is the absence of love.
C:for yourself as well.
M:all perceptions or conditions must begin with the self.
C:so when i let fear into my life, i'm not loving myself.
M:you are in direct contradiction to a state of loving acceptance; incapable
of it. direct denial.
C:major briggs, if i may ask a personal question...do you love yourself?
M:very much.
(coop is fascinated)
C:then it stands to reason that leland palmer didn't
M:one could draw that conclusion. there are power forces (etc.)
the rest is the same.

I am going to eat, back later or tommorrow, for what you all have been
waiting for, ommitted stuff from the final episode!

jasonhal@usc.edu

I was wondering if anyone in posession of one or many TP scripts might send me
photocopies in exchange for price of photocopying (or if you happen to have you
r own little business).
                                                THANX

Ok, this should be the last of the different than what aired stuff i have

Remember I had this directors script for the last episdoe about two months 
before it ever aired.  But I gave it to a friend of mine to hold and did not
look at it till after the show so I would not ruin the surprise for myself. I
wonder how many of you could have resisted.

I have the cast call sheet for the last episode.  Ray wise's call number is 13
and Bob's is 666.  Pretty cool, huh? There is someone who is whited out on the
sheet (maybe because of scerecy?) but I think I know who it is. It's Josie, 
because the sheet calls for a body double of her for the last episode. So she 
was supposed to orignially be in it (maybe the scene was cut).  Here is my
theory on Josie. Bob put her spirit into the wooden cabinet next to the bed.
In second to last episode (the one before the two hour (last 2 shows put 
together) episode) There is a scene with ben in his office and the spooky 
chime sounding music is playing, and ben suddenly turns around and sees
something behind him (we are never told what) but the scene cuts to Pete in the
lobby of the Great Nothern looking at a picture on the wooden wall, he says,
"Josie, I see your face..." I think Josie's spirit is trapped inside the Great
Nothern hotel (which is all made mostly of wood).

In the first hour (directed by Tim Hunter) at the end after Earle takes annie
a tape starts to play which coop listens to it playing troughout the roadhouse
its a message from Earle to Coop:
E:Dear dale. you've probably realized by now that you've lost our little game  
of four-dimensional chess. once agin, ifear you left your Queen unprotected.
Those who don't learn from their mistakes are condemned to repeat them. Besides
you wouldn't care for the Black Lodge, dale.  Not your kind of place at all.
myself, i'll be right at home.  thanks for all your help and don't hesitate
to write if you get work.
(*this would have been great! it was stupid of them to cut it*)

here is the director's (david lynch's) script for the final hour.  it says
"tentative" at the top of each page.  Wed. Feb 27, 1991

Scene 2-sheriff's station reception area
andy figures out it is a map
Scene3-sheriff's conference room
coop and truman figure out the map, place called glastonbury grove
scene 4-ed hurley's house
nadine returns to her normal self
Scene5-woods
pete's pickup stopped on the side of the road
scene6-martell's pickup
windom drags annie out of the truck into the woods
scene7-road in the woods
coop and truman find pete's truck
scene8-woods, glastonbury grove
earle and annie enter the circle of tweleve trees
scene9-woods
coop wants to continue his search alone
Scenes10,11,12,13,14-woods, glastonbury grove
lodge door opens, windom takes annie into it, truman sees cooper
enter the hole
scene15-woods, glastonbury grove
andy finds the note in the costume 
(*I wonder what this is, it was obviously cut*)
scene16-earle's cabin
leo tries to better his position, does not gain anything
scene18-blue pine lodge
andrew pockets the key and replaces it with another
scene19-hayward house-living room
ben tells donna he is her father, gets knocked unconscious
(*i thought ben being her father was a dumb subplot, it's
like they had nothing better to do with the characters not
involved in the lodge/bob plot*)
scene20-black lodge
cooper looks for annie, sees guardian standing before him
(*ommitted, see there's the hooded figure, they should have shown him*)
scene21-motel reception
cooper turns ten years old, then sees his father
(*sounds cool, should have kept it*)
scene22-woods
briggs leads hawk through the woods, feels the drug has heightened
his senses (*ommitted, in actual show hawk brings briggs back, they
should have kept it the way they planned it would have been better*)
scene23-earle's cabin
leo sees hawk and briggs, let goes of the string
scene24-earle's cabin
hawk and briggs rush to leo's rescue
scene26-twin peaks savings and loan
audrey chains herself to the vault bars
scene27-tp s&l
andrew asks mibbler to help him find the safety deposit box that 
matches the key
scene28-bank vault
andrew looks for the safety deposit box
scene29-tp s&l
pete finds andrew opening the box
scene30-trees
mibbler's glasses in the air landing on tree
scene31-woods, glastonbury grove
truman sits waiting, sees vision of woman holding shield and sword
(*ommitted, I would have loved this, it follows the arthur stuff*)
scene32-woods
various frightful visions
(*ommitted, man, what were they thinking?*)
scene33-black corridor
cooper sees his own identical self, sees two doors with windom and
annie in each
(*ommitted, just realize i wish all this ommitted stuff was in it*)
scene34-black corridor
earle enlightens coop he is in the black lodge
(*ommitted*)
scene35,36,37,38-red room
cooper sees vision of caroline that becomes annie, sees annie dead
in the arms of cooper double
scene39-black corridor
earle assures coop annie is alive, is looking for volunteer
(*black corridor ommitted*)
scene40-throne room
earle has a deal for coop to save annies life
(*throne room ommitted*)
scene41-woods, glastonbury grove
truman finds coop and annie in the grove unconscience
scene42-great nothern hotel, room 315
cooper regains consciousness, truman tells him annie is ok
scene43-cooper's bathroom
coop brushes his teeth sees bob

that's it.  I loved the last episode, but it would have been so much better if
they kept it as orignially planned. The black coridors would have made more
sense than them all being red.  It's cool they used to red room as the 
waiting room. They shouldn't have ommitted the throne room. Wonder what it 
would have been? It certainly would have pointed more towards the Arthur stuff.
It seems that in this script, the black lodge interior is a castle of some 
sort. They should also have shown Josie and the hooded guardian. Whats the 
point of show him (her?) in two other episodes but ommitting him from the last
one.  Also, the woman with sheild and sword would have been really neat. Oh,
well.  Maybe they're saving it for the movie, or the continuation of the 
cliffhanger. Let me know what you all think about all this, and hoped you 
enjoyed it all.  

Jason hall
jasonhal@usc.edu
i don't think coop is dead, I think he's trapped in the black lodge and
his doppleganger has taken his place. he certainly couldn't be possessed by
bob, becasue the major pointed out coop was not suseptable to such evils. So 
his doppleganger (maybe all dopplegangers are bob or possesses by him?) is
free in twin peaks...

ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria) writes:

> >In article <1644@philtis.cft.philips.nl> hd@cft.philips.nl (Henk Davids @ Philips Medical Systems) writes:

> >   Just a simple question:

> >      -- Andy tells Lucy he's sterile:
> > Listen to me, Lucy Moran, you just listen.  When the Takoma
> > Sperm Bank was looking for donors, naturally I applied.  It's my civic
> > duty and I like whales.
> > ^^^^^^

> >Well, it's a way of pointing out that Andy is confused, too.  He's
> >confusing sperm with sperm whales, and somehow thinks contributing
> >the former will help the latter.  Reader of de Sade though I am, I
> >hesitate to imagine the connection that Andy must have formed.

> >By the way, is Twin Peaks in the Netherlands shown subtitled or
> >dubbed?  I wonder how they'd translate the dialogue above into
> >Dutch...

Twin Peaks is subtitled (in fact nothing is being dubbed in Holland)

It is not to bad, there are some mistakes thou.   

sons of Odin was translated as sons of Olden (this is a name not a god).

In article <1644@philtis.cft.philips.nl>, hd@cft.philips.nl (Henk Davids @ Philips Medical Systems) writes:
> >
> >Just a simple question:
> >
>From "The ^Twin Peaks^ Timeline", episode 2002:
> >
> >   -- Andy tells Lucy he's sterile:
> >      Listen to me, Lucy Moran, you just listen.  When the Takoma
> >      Sperm Bank was looking for donors, naturally I applied.  It's my civic
> >      duty and I like whales.
> >                      ^^^^^^
> >What could that possibly mean? I'm not an American, maybe it's some sort
> >of slang?

     There is a species of whales here called sperm whales.  It was just an
obvious pun on that.


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?     / \        Are     |       I pray the funk will make me freak,          ?
?    /   \        we     |       If I should die before I waked,              ?
?   / * * \     having   |       Allow me Lord to rock out naked!             ?
?  @  ___  @   fun yet?  |                                                    ?
?   \_____/              |       "Sir Psycho Sexy" -- Red Hot Chili Peppers   ? 
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

A few weeks ago I saw an episode of 21 Jump Street on the Dutch commercial
station RTL4. In it was Don S. Davis (Major Briggs) as a sort of executer.
A boy was convicted to death because of murdering a man named COOPER.
Also, the boy looked a bit like BOB, but then a few years younger (about 20).
Is this a coincidence?

David.

     "I'm not what I seem....."

In article <1644@philtis.cft.philips.nl> hd@cft.philips.nl (Henk Davids @ Philips Medical Systems) writes:
> >
> >Just a simple question:
> >
>From "The ^Twin Peaks^ Timeline", episode 2002:
> >
> >   -- Andy tells Lucy he's sterile:
> >      Listen to me, Lucy Moran, you just listen.  When the Takoma
> >      Sperm Bank was looking for donors, naturally I applied.  It's my civic
> >      duty and I like whales.
> >                      ^^^^^^
> >What could that possibly mean? I'm not an American, maybe it's some sort
> >of slang?
> >

I had just assumed that being what Andy is (intellectually),

a money bank saves you money  
therefore
a sperm bank saves sperms...sperm whales, that is.
...I can only assume that he thought that sperm whales are born via
human sperm :}




-- L. Saiki Internet: saiki@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu Bitnet: saiki@uhhepb "To find your god is hollow brings death to all reason"-DEATH IN JUNE

In article <1644@philtis.cft.philips.nl> hd@cft.philips.nl (Henk Davids @ Philips Medical Systems) writes:
> >
> >      Sperm Bank was looking for donors, naturally I applied.  It's my civic
> >      duty and I like whales.
> >                      ^^^^^^
> >What could that possibly mean? I'm not an American, maybe it's some sort
> >of slang?
Perhaps I should assume :-) here but have you ever heard of big fishy  
:-) type things who swim in the sea (not vey often nowadays) called
SPERM WHALES.

:-()  LAter dudes 

-- Nothing I say can be taken down and used in evidence against me That goes for my dog too Later Desperados ---------- Chopper 91

From article <67206@bbn.BBN.COM>, by ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria):

>
> By the way, is Twin Peaks in the Netherlands shown subtitled or
> dubbed? I wonder how they'd translate the dialogue above into
> Dutch...
Luckily, all foreign series (i.e. 90% of all series) are subtitled in
the Netherlands, so we don't have to hear John Wayne, saying
"Handen omhoog" (hands up...),

As for the "whale" dialogue, I don't remember how (or if?) they
translated it, as I usually only listen to the original version,
without bothering to read the subtitles.

Mark Korsloot
mark@logic.et.tudelft.nl

>> > > 
>> > > Ok - regarding Coop in the Lodge in the final episode .... I think that
>> > > too much is being read into it. The thing that strikes me on reflection
>> > > is the link between the lodges and christian beliefs.
>> > > 
>> > > That is to say:
>> > > 
>> > > Black lodge = evil, ie. HELL.
>> > > White lodge = good, ie. HEAVEN.
>> > > Waiting room = PURGATORY.
>> > > 
>> > > Coop enters waiting room. For past sin of sleeping with Caroline, he is
>> > > sent to the Black Lodge. Here, he meets WE, who asks for his soul. Now,
>> > > I was under the impression that the DEVIL can only ask for your soul,
>> > > ie. BOB. No man can impersonate Christ or God, and WE cannot impersonate the
>> > > DEVIL, aka. BOB. Thus WE is destroyed. Coop cannot permanently stay in
>> > > the Black Lodge, as his only sin is to have slept with Caroline. Hence,
>> > > he goes back to the Waiting room. Purgatory is the place where you
>> > > suffer for your sins until being allowed into heaven ... Coop has 50
>> > > years to wait (Laura (not the doppleganger) is already in the White
>> > > Lodge - hence, "I will see you again 50 years).
>> > > 
>> > > Annie has committed no real sin, but was bought into the Black Lodge by
>> > > WE. She could not stay anyway. Meanwhile, Coop's soul (ie. his
>> > > doppleganger) has been poscessed by the devil aka BOB for the next 50
>> > > years. But someone may be able to retrieve him - people can leave the
>> > > lodge, ie Major Briggs. But as Coop sacrificed himself for Annie, will
>> > > someone have to sacrifice themselves for Coop?
>> > > 
>> > > One thing is for certain.... BOB cannot be destroyed.... or else we're
>> > > going to end up seeing a clash of the deities.....
>> > > 
>> > > Confused? Thought you would be! But I hope you see what I'm driving at!
>> > > 
>> > > Paul R. Grove.
>> > > 
>> > > Univ. of Keele, UK.
>> > > iru03@uk.ac.keele.seq1
>> > > 
>> > > "Tell me of your home world, Usul".
>> > > "Chani - it had damn fine cherry pie".
>> > > 
>> > > 
> > 
> >

In article <1644@philtis.cft.philips.nl> hd@cft.philips.nl (Henk Davids @ Philips Medical Systems) writes:
> >
> >Just a simple question:
> >
>From "The ^Twin Peaks^ Timeline", episode 2002:
> >
> >   -- Andy tells Lucy he's sterile:
> >      Listen to me, Lucy Moran, you just listen.  When the Takoma
> >      Sperm Bank was looking for donors, naturally I applied.  It's my civic
> >      duty and I like whales.
> >                      ^^^^^^
> >What could that possibly mean? I'm not an American, maybe it's some sort
> >of slang?
> >
> >Confused,
> >
> >       Henk

Ever heard of a sprem whale?  I don't believe it's a distinctly
American species. Check an encyclopedia...
debk

Hi, I am posting this message for my brother who lives in Japan.
A friend of his was sending him the Twin Peaks episodes on VCR
tape and he and his wife really became addicted.  However, they
are missing a couple of the last ones, and he wants me to get
them for him.  If anyone can help me, I'll pay you for a VCR
tape and the time it takes you to copy it.  Here is an excerpt
from my brother's letter to tell you what he needs ...

"The last episode we've seen is the episode in which Josey
Packard dies.  I don't want to say too much about the plot in
case you're interested in seeing the thing yourself, but the
last scene is with Josey and Thomas Eckart and Eckart and Josey
both end up dead.  Agent Cooper enters the hotel room and the
last thing that happens is that Bob appears to Cooper in a
vision and says, "What happened to Josey?"  Then the midget from
the dream appears on the bed dancing as before and there's some
special effects in which a wooden drawer knob takes on the shape
of a human face.  This should be enough information.  .... "

Note that he says he already has the final 2 hour episode, but
does not want to watch it until he sees whatever is missing in
between.  He says he is not even sure how much is missing, but
would like to get it all.  Thanks very much if you can help.
--
Alan W. McKay| (902)542-2201.396| Wolfville, N.S. Canada
alan@aucs.acadiau.ca| Acadia University| SUB Box 6008, B0P 1Z1

In article <1644@philtis.cft.philips.nl> hd@cft.philips.nl (Henk Davids @ Philips Medical Systems) writes:
> >Just a simple question:
> >
>From "The ^Twin Peaks^ Timeline", episode 2002:
> >
> >   -- Andy tells Lucy he's sterile:
> >      Listen to me, Lucy Moran, you just listen.  When the Takoma
> >      Sperm Bank was looking for donors, naturally I applied.  It's my civic
> >      duty and I like whales.
> >                      ^^^^^^
> >What could that possibly mean? I'm not an American, maybe it's some sort
> >of slang?
> >
> >Confused,
> >
> >        Henk

At the time I heard it as "wells".

Brian
--

"When money is tight and hard to get   |
 And your horse is also ran            |
 When all you have is a heap of debt   |
 A pint of plain is your only man."    |
Flann O' Brien.|

In article <5309@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de> tolk@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de (Robert Tolksdorf) writes:
> >After reading the tp-timeline, I am wondering wether it is justified
> >to identify twin-peaks with David Lynch. Considering the number of directors
> >involved and the aesthetical differences in their work and  their
> >different history (coming from film or tv), I think we should
> >not speak of tp in general as being a work of Lynch.
> >
> >Does anyone know more about the production process of tp, e.g. was
> >Lynch involved in all episodes (e.g. in postproduction) or how
> >much of the script was written by Lynch and how much by Frost ??

In an interview in "Empire" (a UK film magazine), Kyle Maclachlan stated
that David had very little to do with TP after the start. He said it
was mostly the actors and staff who did it. I'll dig out the interview
and give a direct quote.

Brian
--

"When money is tight and hard to get   |
 And your horse is also ran            |
 When all you have is a heap of debt   |
 A pint of plain is your only man."    |
Flann O' Brien.|

It's the main "dialect" of Chinese (as opposed to Cantonese, for example)
and the official national language of the People's Republic of China.

Laurel Smith Stvan

In article <1991Nov6.105110.20757@cs.few.eur.nl>, mveen@cs.few.eur.nl (M.P.
Veen) says:
> >Twin Peaks is subtitled (in fact nothing is being dubbed in Holland)
Well, some children's series are,  for the very young that is.
> >It is not to bad, there are some mistakes thou.
The "one chants out between two worlds" line was translated with "kans"
i.e. "chance". I suppose that that can't be considered too much of a goof
as the closed captions were needed to settle that dispute. Or are there
who still doubt that reading? To me there was need for a verb, not a noun
here. Oh well...
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In article <alan.689460244@auad> alan@auad.acadiau.ca (Alan McKay) writes:
> > "The last episode we've seen is the episode in which Josey
> > Packard dies."
> > 
> > Note that he says he already has the final 2 hour episode, but
> > does not want to watch it until he sees whatever is missing in
> > between.  He says he is not even sure how much is missing, but
> > would like to get it all.  Thanks very much if you can help.

He's missing four episodes, some of which aren't really worth seeing.
Sorry I can't help with the tapes, but aren't they available in Japan
now?

Jason here again.  In case any of you didn't see my correct stating of the
Fire walk with me poem in my posts of all the extra script stuff, here it is:

Through the darkness of futures past,
The magician longs to see
One chance out between two worlds,
Fire, walk with me...

this is the real phrasing of it, it doesn't matter what the closed caption said
or what anyone else may have believed, this is the real wording, straight from
the actual script for the episode.

jasonhal@usc.edu

I am new to this newsgroup but have watched every episode up until the
deaths of Thomas and Josey (screened tonight 7/11/91 in Hobart). 
Could anyone please send me a list of the main characters that have appeared
and the corresponding actor/actress names.
Also, I am interested to find out how many episodes we are behind the
States, though it may not be too many as the present episodes are 1991.
This contrasts with other soaps like Dallas which is still screening here
almost 3(?) years after it finished.
Finally, the appearance of Bob, the midget and the drawer knob imagery
all escape me at present. I am meant to understand their meaning or does
it become apparent at a later time.

Many thanks, Robbie McDonald.

In article <1> giovin@medr0.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
> >In article <2> rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:
> >
>> >>Yup. Both the floor at the MTP pageant and the Double R are checkerboard style
>> >>while the floor of the Waiting Room, etc., is 'zigzag'.  
>> >>Someone else has claimed that
>> >>the floor in Eraserhead is also 'zigzag', but it has been so long since 
>> >> I saw it that I can't confirm it.
> >
> >The zig-zag floor pattern is definitely in Eraserhead.  It's in a sort
> >of waiting area (I think a waiting area for an elevator.).
> >

I believe the floor in front of the red-curtained stage (in the radiator)
was also zig-zagged.  Yes, I know it was a black and white film, but I
*know* those curtains were red.

_______
Stephen M. Webb

jasonhal@girtab.usc.edu (Jason Hall) writes:
> >waiting room. They shouldn't have ommitted the throne room. Wonder what it 
> >would have been? It certainly would have pointed more towards the Arthur stuff.

We already saw it in an earlier episode. Major Biggs was
sitting on the throne during his visit to the lodge.
Bob.

In article <91309.215816RAG112@psuvm.psu.edu> RAG112@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
<I was wondering if anyone in posession of one or many TP scripts might send me
<photocopies in exchange for price of photocopying (or if you happen to have you
<r own little business).
<                                                THANX

You can probably order them from some Hollywood bookstores.  There
is Script City, Hollywood Book and Poster, and at least two more the names
of which I can't remember, I got some scripts from them (like three different
versions of 2001, including the cutting continuity).  I saw lots of Star Trek
scripts there, and tons of TV shows in general.  I can find their addresses
and phone numbers if you *insist*.  I remember seeing the script for the
first season's pilot (episode 0000) more than a year ago, so they probably 
have more episodes available by now.

Regards,

Jan Bielawski
Computervision R&D, San Diego
jpb@calmasd.prime.com

In article <21333@chaph.usc.edu> jasonhal@girtab.usc.edu (Jason Hall) writes:

<They should also have shown Josie and the hooded guardian. Whats the 
<point of show him (her?) in two other episodes but ommitting him from the last
<one.  

That's because it wasn't really the final episode but a season's
cliffhanger.  And *then* the funding was yanked.  The episodes were then
supposed to be changed a bit to make it into a real ending but in the end
they left the remaining episodes intact and aired them exactly as if
there was another season to follow.

<Also, the woman with sheild and sword would have been really neat. Oh,
<well.  

Could be the same reason.  They were saving this stuff for more
episodes probably.

<Maybe they're saving it for the movie, or the continuation of the 
<cliffhanger. 

Exactly.

<Let me know what you all think about all this, and hoped you 
<enjoyed it all.  

Yes, very much, thenk you, it was very nice of you.

Jan Bielawski
Computervision R&D, San Diego
jpb@calmasd.prime.com

On 06-Nov-91 in Re: A small question about ..
user Brian Kelly@tadtec.uucp writes:
> >>From "The ^Twin Peaks^ Timeline", episode 2002:
>> >>
>> >>   -- Andy tells Lucy he's sterile:
>> >>      Listen to me, Lucy Moran, you just listen.  When the Takoma
>> >>      Sperm Bank was looking for donors, naturally I applied.  It's my civic
>> >>      duty and I like whales.
>> >>                      ^^^^^^
>> >>What could that possibly mean? I'm not an American, maybe it's some sort
>> >>of slang?
>> >>
>> >>Confused,


i took it as a sperm whale joke

The episode your brother tells about was the last weeks episode of TP here
in Finland, and there'll be more this Sunday, but I quess I'm too far away...

Pekka

You're in the same situation as we are in Finland with TP (or to be exact
we're 4 days ahead). To my knowledge and as you might have seen from earlier
postings, there are 4 one-hour episodes left and the "final" episode 2-hours.

And if you have the same situation with Dallas, tonight will be the final
episode here in Finland.

Pekka

In article <21254@chaph.usc.edu>, jasonhal@girtab.usc.edu (Jason Hall) writes:
> > 5. Casting: Harry Dean Stanton, Kiefer Sutherland, Chris Isaac, 
> > and David Bowie who is supposedly flaying a fed. Maybe the others are as well.
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ !!
> > -Stinky Lomax

Wow! This'll be grislier than WILD AT HEART !  :->

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In <67206@bbn.BBN.COM> ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria) writes:

> >By the way, is Twin Peaks in the Netherlands shown subtitled or
> >dubbed?  I wonder how they'd translate the dialogue above into
> >Dutch...
> >
They translated it as "Ik houd van zaadplantjes", which means "I like
seedplants [is this an english word?]". In Dutch, sperm is also referred to as
seed (I think in English too).
We subtitle everything, except some children's movies or series, which are
dubbed.


David.

   "Water, flow with me.."

In article <BRIAN.91Nov6171049@tadsrc.uucp> brian@tadtec.uucp (Brian Kelly) writes:
> >In article <1644@philtis.cft.philips.nl> hd@cft.philips.nl (Henk Davids @ Philips Medical Systems) writes:
>> >>Just a simple question:
>> >>      Sperm Bank was looking for donors, naturally I applied.  It's my civic
>> >>      duty and I like whales.
>> >>                      ^^^^^^
> >
> >At the time I heard it as "wells".
> >

Has no one ever heard of a "Sperm Whale" .... read Moby Dick

Paul
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