Season 2, Episodes 21–22: Miss Twin Peaks / Beyond Life and Death — June 10, 1991–August 27, 1992

In article <184@htsa.htsa.aha.nl> quintenu@maestro.htsa.aha.nl (Quinten Uijldert) writes:
> >
> >   WHY oh WHY do you stupid Americans have to spoil it all for the European
> >   viewers of Twin Peaks.
> >
> >You tell us about the ending, while we are just watching episode nr. 5 of
> >the first year.
> >
> >How STUPID !!!
> >

Very naive of Quinten Vijldert to think that reading any newsgroup about
any tv show or whatever genre might contain information about something
HE hasn't seen yet.  Many non-North Americans read rec.arts.startrek all
the time and nobody complains because a lot of the postings are about
the current episode--something that they may not see for 3 years!!!!!!

I have only seen 5 Prisoner episodes, but I wouldn't complain if I 
stumbled onto a plot synopsis of an episode I haven't seen (in alt.tv.
prisoner).  While 'spoiler' alerts are a good idea,  with your attittude
every single post should contain a spoiler because MAYBE someone out 
there wants to be surpised.

Hey....someone spoiled the fact that a Twin Peaks movie is imminent.  I
would have rather opened the newspaper one day a read that it 'starts next
friday'.  

ferenc, a stupid Canadian

If you don't want something spoiled then don't go poking around in THE ONE
place where it WILL happen----here.

In reading the timeline, it struck me that we should declare a holiday
for the night of February 23rd, the date Laura Palmer died. Perhaps it
would be a good time for a TP marathon...

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

In article <50gk05w164w@whitebase.ukp.com>, salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Gregory Salmieri) writes...

} I have no evidence except my ears, but I am almost positive it is chance out 
} as well.

That's funny. It seems to me that "chants" and "chance" sound exactly the same.

} It makes a lot more sence that way.

That's funny. It seems to me that "chants" makes a lot more sense.

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boyajian@ruby.dec.com (The Film Fan Man) writes:

> > There's an easy solution, though. Buy the Euroversion tape, watch it right
> > up to the point where Sarah Palmer wakes up from her nightmare/psychic
> > vision, and then stop the tape. That way, you'll have seen everything that
> > was in the broadcast pilot, and you won't see anything that wasn't. Up to
> > that point, the two versions are identical.

If memory serves (and I'm not near my tape at the moment), the end
of the pilot included a very brief different vision, that of hands removing
the trinket from where they buried it.

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

In <28815@nntpd.lkg.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (The Film Fan Man) writes:

> >There's an easy solution, though. Buy the Euroversion tape, watch it right
> >up to the point where Sarah Palmer wakes up from her nightmare/psychic
> >vision, and then stop the tape. That way, you'll have seen everything that
> >was in the broadcast pilot, and you won't see anything that wasn't. Up to
> >that point, the two versions are identical.

One thing is missing from the movie that is in the pilot is Sarah's
vision of Dr. Jac picking up the necklace.  This is shown instead of
her vision of Bob at the very end of the pilot.

sj

In <syXR01w163w@zitt> joe@zitt (Joe Zitt) writes:

> >In reading the timeline, it struck me that we should declare a holiday
> >for the night of February 23rd, the date Laura Palmer died. Perhaps it
> >would be a good time for a TP marathon...

> >It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
> >Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

maybe that'll be the release date of the movie.

s
j

joe@zitt (Joe Zitt) writes:

> >In reading the timeline, it struck me that we should declare a holiday
> >for the night of February 23rd, the date Laura Palmer died. Perhaps it
> >would be a good time for a TP marathon...

  You're willing to wait that long?!?

In article <1991Oct11.154504.28865@ccu.umanitoba.ca> kdc@ccu.umanitoba.ca writes:
> >_THE HIDDEN_ was shown recently on local TV.  It was nice to see
> >Kyle Maclaughlin (sp?) again as an FBI agent, even though he
> >wasnt exactly Agent Cooper.  Check it out if you can.

Not too long ago I rented this movie.  With the TP soundtrack
CD playing softly in the background, it almost approximates that
TP feeling!

Getting desparate,

Margaret


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This summer past, I was asked to film a mountaineering expedition to the Indian
Himalayas. It turned out to be a truly awesome experience. 

For one, we probably set an altitude record for the use of broadcast video
equipment. We used the latest Ikegami HC-240 camera, which has 700 horizontal
TVL! The camera worked worked beautifully, although we had to keep the Anton
Bauer batteries in our sleeping bags at night!

Something about the expedition:

On the 22nd and 23rd of June 1991, ten undergraduates from Dartmouth College,
along with a group of experienced instructors and mountaineers from India,
stood on the top of the 20,956-foot high Mt. Kalanag (Banderpunch-II) in the
greater Himalayas of northern India.  Not only did they accomplish a great deal
personally and physically, but they also succeeded in making Dartmouth College
the first American college to have a team summit a Himalayan peak.

The 22-minute documentary on the expedition brims with the excitement and
enthusiasm with which these students went about the task of organizing and
fund-raising this venture, eventually flying ten thousand miles afield to New
Delhi, India. From here, their journey took them north, across the great
Indo-Gangetic Plain, until they reached the huge chain of the Himalayas. Hiking
first through the rustic villages of Garhwal and untouched middle Himalayan
forests, then across endless meadows of alpine flowers and once over the
snow-line, endless expanses of glaciers and spectacular snow-peaks. 

This video traces the expedition from Base Camp and back, with an exciting
narrative and a score of Indian music on the Sitar, Bansuri, Tabla, Sarod and
Tanpura. 

This video is a "must-see" for every outdoor enthusiast, mountaineer,
naturalist or plain hiker - indeed, anyone who has ever dreamed of standing
atop a Himalayan peak, beholding an unbroken panorama of mighty snow peaks,
fold upon fold, stretching into Tibet and China to the north, Nepal on the east
and the steamy plains of India to the south!

It was truly a once-in-a-lifetime experience. I would be happy to share it
with fellow netters. If you have questions about the use of video at high
altitudes or in cold or anything about the expedition or even the
Himalayas,feel free to contact me. I would be happy to also send a copy of the
finished film to netters at what it costs me to duplicate the tape. 

Contact Rupin.Dang@dartmouth.edu          
(603) 640-4931

Hi folks,

this may be of interest for You:
Twin Peaks is being broadcast now in Germany by a private sender
called RTL+. After the third episode was broadcast, the private
sender Sat1 told his public who the murderer was.

RTL+ now sues Sat1 for DM 50,000.

joe@zitt (Joe Zitt) writes:

> >If memory serves (and I'm not near my tape at the moment), the end
> >of the pilot included a very brief different vision, that of hands removing
> >the trinket from where they buried it.

Yup, that's right (that's the advantage of the pilot been shown here just
recently :-()


Any of you guys out there: TP is only now showing here in Germany (as you 
by now must be well aware), I just started reading this group, as I like
TP so much (as you didn't know):

Any chance to get hold of the US version for me over here ??? They 
overdub everything in German... and I'd just LOVE to see the original
versions (NTSC is no prob for me).

Anyone care to organize a copy for us poor Germermans ???


cheers
Wiljo
-- Wiljo Heinen ** Sternstrasse 2 ** D - W2300 Kiel 1 ** voice: +49-431-95311 E-Mail:: wiljo@freesid.ki.open.de In capitalism, man exploits man. In socialism its exactly the opposite B.T.

In article <50gk05w164w@whitebase.ukp.com>, salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Gregory Salmieri) writes:
> > lgo1_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (G. DiLoreto) writes:
>> > > Beyond the dark of futures past
>> > > the magician longs to see
>> > > one chance out between two worlds
>> > > fire walk with me.
>> > > This brings up something I have been meaning to ask about.  In the
>> > > TP gazette it was printed that the concensus here on the net was
>> > > 'one chants out...'  citing a closed caption machine as the reference.  I 
>> > > always thought it was 'one chance out...', and I have the scripts which concu
> > I have no evidence except my ears, but I am almost positive it is chance out 
> > as well. It makes a lot more sence that way.

Sorry to disagree, but it makes much more sense to me the other way:  when the
magician wants to travel beyond the dark of futures past (like to the Lodges)
he positions himself between two worlds (in the waiting room?) and chants the
spell, "Fire, walk with me."  I prefer this interpretation because it serves
to explain what this "Fire, walk with me" stuff has to do with anything.
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    Does any body have a copy of the first season of Twin Peaks in the Bryan-
College Station area that I can borrow? (I have the first episode and the sea-
son finale alrady) Thanks in advance,

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I've downloaded the GIF files from the TP archive site, but all
of them seem to be broken. I get a "short read within data", and
a line of garbage followed by black space. Any hints from the 
original poster? E-mail to me if I'm just doing something 
stupid..or feel free to flame me, I don't care. Just help me
get these suckers to display right!

 --- Joe M.

I have this strange feeling that I am the only Twin Peaks fan in the New York
area.  If this is not the case, then please e-mail me to let me know that I
am not alone.

If this is the case, it is merely one more sign that New York is shot to hell,
and that I should resign myself to eating donuts alone.

Asher B. Samuels

All I can say about the discussion between "chants" en "chance" is that it was
translated to "kans" in the Dutch version (in the undertitling (do you call
it that way in English?)). "Kans" means "chance", so the Dutch translator 
thought it meant "chance". I don't know if it was his own opinion or that he
had information that we haven't. I myself really don't know which of the two
is meant, both seem possible to me.
Is there any German out there who can tell how it was translated in German on
the RTL+ version?

David.

In article <1991Oct15.002124.4381@igor.tamri.com> margaret@igor.tamri.com (Margaret Kritzer) writes:
> >In article <1991Oct11.154504.28865@ccu.umanitoba.ca> kdc@ccu.umanitoba.ca writes:
>> >>_THE HIDDEN_ was shown recently on local TV.  It was nice to see
>> >>Kyle Maclaughlin (sp?) again as an FBI agent, even though he
>> >>wasnt exactly Agent Cooper.  Check it out if you can.
> >
> >Not too long ago I rented this movie.  With the TP soundtrack
> >CD playing softly in the background, it almost approximates that
> >TP feeling!

And then, there was an episode of Miami Vice that just aired in Germany
(I don't know how many seasons we are 'behind') where the actor
who played this funny coroner in the early TP's (1002-3 or so) could
be seen again, I think as a state attorney. 

I tried to locate the person in these huge lists that were posted
here a few days ago but somehow couldn't find him - anyone knowing
who "Albert" (was this his TP identity?) is and what he usually does?

In article <1991Oct15.155215.3247@informatik.uni-ulm.de> rschoen@laborix.mathematik.uni-ulm.de (Reinhard Schoen) writes:
> >Twin Peaks is being broadcast now in Germany by a private sender  <----\
> >called RTL+. After the third episode was broadcast, the private    He means
> >sender Sat1 told his public who the murderer was.                  station
> >RTL+ now sues Sat1 for DM 50,000.

And has already won the first case against Sat 1 - the judge said
that publicising the murderer thru Videotext was an abuse of the
medium or something like that (dunno the legal terms) and that
Sat 1 should take the respective page of this data service (it's
like a one-way Usenet :-) off the air what it promptly did.

Of course, it's much too late: not only will lots of people have
looked at the message while it was there, bit also many newspapers
have covered this affair (which is a rarety in Germany: the last
comparable case was 30 years ago) - not without disclosing the
murderer while doing so. Some printed the name upside-down. Oh well...

In article <1991Oct16.140704.5039@uoft02.utoledo.edu> 
csbgc@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:
> > Anyone know if Julee Cruise is planning or on tour this fall or anytime 
soon?
> > Any info would be helpful!  Thanks in advance.

I sincerely doubt it.  Julee Cruise is currently playing off-Broadway in 
"Beyond the Forbidden Planet", a 50s/60s-style rock musical based on the 
movie _Forbidden Planet_, which is loosely based on Shakespeare's "The 
Tempest".  The show was brought over from London, where it was a fairly 
big hit.

Julee plays the part of Gloria, long lost wife of Captain Prospero (I'm 
not making this up).  The part was originally known as Julia in the movie, 
but the name was changed so that Julee can enter late in Act I singing Roy 
Orbison's "Gloria".  (One of the complaints in the review I read is that 
the show goes to ridiculous lengths to include songs from the 50s and 60s, 
and this is a prime example.)

If this show does well off-Broadway, it will move on to Broadway later in 
the autumn, so it's a safe bet that Julee has not made any plans to take 
off on a full-scale tour as long as this show is running.  Judging from 
the review, she is one of the high points of the show.
 
obStar Trek:  In keeping with the space theme, actor James Doohan (sp?), 
who played Scotty, narrates to the audience all the way through it, using 
large portions of monologues lifted from the Shakespeare play.  The review 
mentioned that he was one of the few in the cast to have a grasp of the 
Shakespearean language.

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Marck "Vigilante Pop Pseudo-Culturalist" Bailey

"Conventionality is not morality.  Self-righteousness is not religion.  To 
attack the first is not to assail the last."
                                                       -- Charlotte Bronte

It seems to me that, although the word 'Chants' does fit the poem, 'Chance'
makes more sense.  Windom, Cooper and Major Briggs all make reference to
a special time when the planets are in some certain alignment.  It is this
time that the doors to the black/white lodges will open.  Could it be that
this is not only the time that Windom and Cooper may enter the lodges, but
a time when BOB could escape as well (his one chance out)?  When I say 
escape, I mean truly escape and become something much more 'solid' and evil
than simply the parasite he currently is.  The scene with the shaking hands
comes to mind.  Various people (including Cooper) experience some sort of 
weird muscle spasms in their left(?) arms.  At the end of thet show we see
BOB's left(?) arm reaching out of those same red curtains that Cooper later
uses to enter the lodges.

Just a thought.

Darryl Friesen
Department of Computing Services
University of Saskatchewan

"Whether its God or the bomb, its just the same, 
 cause its only fear under a different name"

f you've got episodes of TP on VHS that you are either willing to 
copy for me provided I send you a cassette, or if you are willing
to let me borrow the cassette and I will mail it back please mail
me or psot if it bounces.  NOTE PLEASE MAIL TO:

walshm@clutx.clarkson.edu

NOT the default address the news program gives you.

Thansk


--
Matt Walsh  walshm@clutx.clarkson.edu
614-424-4159 (daytime)
614-538-9427 (after 5 est)
How can you have your pudding if you don't eat your meat? You! Yes You!

After going back and carefully examining my transactions,
I discovered that you must enter "type binary" (that is,
you must spell it out completely). Problem solved. That's
what I get from FTPing from these easy-going IBM sites
("type b? sure, that means binary...")

Thanks to all who very nicely asked me "Are you *sure*
you used binary mode?"

 --- Joe M.

Roar.Larsen@termo.unit.no (Roar Larsen) writes:

> > Here in Norway there exists a (generally very good!) magazine dedicated to 
> > speculative fiction (Science Fiction, Fantasy, etc.) which is called 
~Tkw7`~YwoPG'E*;_oMtuWRemOnrwx;`[_lrt
> > specifically, and David Lynch in general. The article is somewhat negative 
[Stuff deleted by John Atwell]
> > 
> > Exerpts from the article follow, my comments are in [brackets]:
> > 
> > _The fantastic DAVID LYNCH - a postmodernistic charlatan?_
> > by Jostein Saakvitne.
> > For those familiar with fantastic movies, the supernatural motifs and the 
> > use of them, will not be very new. Thematically, it is all about the 
> > eternal fight between good and evil, and the motif of being posessed by 
> > evil/the devil etc. This has been presented more elegantly through e.g. 
> > "The Shining" and countless other movies made through the years.
 
[My comment: IYHO, you mean.  And what does he mean by elegant?  The 
theme of good and evil in mankind is a very popular one to take up, but 
Lynch/Frost does it on TV in a decidedly NON-HOLLYWOOD way...that is to 
say NOT slick or "elegant".  Crafted, yes...but not through use of tried 
and true hollywood "formulas" (at least not usually)].
> > 
> > [stuff deleted]
> > 
> > We neeed to ask whether our demands for "good" use of fantastic elements 
> > have been met, like:
> > - having the good old "sense of wonder" present
> > - it being a filmatically "correct" element, being supported by other 
> >   dramaturgical effects in a movie
> > - that the elements fit naturally with descriptions of persons and 
> >   atmosphere.
> > With regard to these demands, our good friend Lynch does not get very high 
> > marks! We register a lot of "empty" use of effects for their own sake, and 
> > repetitions without any real purpose. It looks like he is more interested 
> > in breaking the bounds of a genre and finding an outlet for his own 
> > egotrips in a pattern that no director before him has had the courage (or 
> > economic/artistic freedom) to do...

To this I respond: I believe Lynch is trying to do things with images 
that haven't been done before.  Yes, the writer is right that he is 
trying to break the bounds of a genre.  Thus, he sometimes fails 
spectacularly.  By fails, I mean that Lynch sets himself a task as a 
screenwriter that he is not able to bring off as a director.  But Lynch 
is always fascinating for me to watch, because when he succeeds, he 
succeeds brilliantly.  The feelings I felt after the Maddy murder scene 
are hard to put into words.  And this is as it should be - Lynch is 
working on the axiom tha{, if you can put it into words, why film it?  
The power of film, the power of the image in and of itself, is one of the 
things that Lynch is exploring - but not the only thing.
> > 
> > We cheer enthusuiastically the first times, but later it is more like 
> > trying to hide a yawn. [stuff deleted] Neither the Log Lady , Bob himself 
> > or the motif of the two lodges is developed in a particularly interesting 
> > manner. We just wait and wait for something to happen...
> > 
> > [stuff deleted]
> > 
> > I have now finally seen the longed-for final episode as well [the two-hour 
> > "finale" was shown as two separate "ordinary" episodes over here], and it 
> > was disappointing in all its pretentiousness! Our poor agent Cooper 
> > running from drape to drape in a sort of near-death-experience room, and 
> > being submitted to David Lynch's special apocalyptic view of "the final 
> > showdown". All in a sort of quasi-symbolic picture-language not very 
> > suited to engage neither those who where already interested nor more 
> > accidental viewers. We get a strong feeling that Lynch is running a very 
> > private show, where he in principle could have introduced any elements and 
> > characters he wanted, and still received happy applause from his 
> > cult-viewers.
> > 
> > The postmodernistic charlatan
> > [stuff deleted] .. he grabs onto different styles and artistic expressions 
> > from other epochs and artists, to make these his own, and mix them 
> > uncritically in a big pot filled with images and motifs. Lynch knows that 
> > the time is ripe for just this kind of experimenting in TV series, as 
> > music videos have been doing for years. [stuff deleted] The fantastic 
> > elements are therefore just a tool used by Lynch to make himself 
> > interesting! [stuff deleted]

First off, Lynch was doing that sort of thingong before MTV was (see      
Eraserhead, which was filmed between 1973-1978).  Lynch is certainly 
trying to please himself, but only as much as any director does, by 
making a good show.  Lynch does use borrowed techniques, but to new 
purpose.  Lyh/F take the view that plots do not necessarily have to be 
linear, IMHO.  This and the stated fact that Twin Peak "is about secrets" 
lead the filmmakers to all kinds of admittedly bizarre results.  But I 
believe that this is in the spirit of such literary works as Ulysses by 
James Joyce, who wrote each chapter in a technique that served to 
illustrate what the main theme of the chapter was.  The results were 
sometimes not great, but more often than n, the succeeded.  I believe 
(paraphrasing a quote by Roman Polanski) that David Lynch is the only 
American director with a distinct vision.And while I am grateful for 
every second of Twin Peaks, I am sure that David Lynch is capable of even 
greater works in the future.  Anyone who trusts his imagination like 
David Lynch does is bound to succeed artistically (if NOT monetarily).

In article <.687803912@craft>, walshm@craft.logos.camp.clarkson.edu (Matt 'MTM' Walsh) writes...

} If you've got episodes of TP on VHS that you are either willing to copy
} for me provided I send you a cassette, or if you are willing to let me
} borrow the cassette and I will mail it back please mail me or psot if it
} bounces.

I should point out that TWIN PEAKS is a copyrighted program. Making copies
of taped broadcasts is illegal.

I know, I know, there's no profit being made here, but the point of having
a copyright is no merely to ensure that no one else makes a profit from the
work, but to ensure that the copyright holder is able to make money from
it. And TWIN PEAKS is a good case in point.

The first season episodes have just been or are about to be (I haven't
looked for them in the store lately, so I don't know if they're actually
out yet) issued on pre-recorded video. If you buy these, a percentage of
the money goes to the copyright holders, therefore they make a profit
from the work. If you dupe someone else's copy of those episodes, and
therefore don't buy the commercial tapes, you're cheating the copyright
holder out of making that money.

-- "Be mindful, I am the wealthiest man in Padua, and he who weds Katrina lands a dowry you could cry for." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM or ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian

hey

i know i am stupid and slow, but could someond please send me a copy of the  
full poem "fire, walk with me"

i would very much appreciate it and would be eternally grateful

thanks a ton

barron koralesky

koralesb@carleton.edu

Is there a FTP site that contains Mac sounds from TP?
Is there a FTP site at all for TP?
 
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Greg West@ccc.govt.nz (313)

> > Is there a FTP site that contains Mac sounds from TP?
> > Is there a FTP site at all for TP?
> >  

There is a HyperCard stack floating around that has about 50 sounds from
the series.  It's really great.  You can run through it picking out
various sounds, or put it in "Dream Mode," which  basically consists of
the stack randomly playing sounds at 15 second intervals, with the dance
music for the Little Man from Another Place.  Real neat.  About 2 megs
of storage required.  Unfortunately, I don't know where you could FTP it
from.  My roomie found it last year, but I have no idea where.

bpm
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    To the person who insisted on saying that TP was just a loosely thrown
together plot with bits and pieces both relevant and irrelevant included in no
particular order, it is sad that you could not appreciate TP as the work of art
that it actually is.  I have lived in 7 different countries during my life and
seen a hell of a lot of television, but nothing even compares to the deep plot
and atmosphere of Twin Peaks.  Perhaps your letter was some subtle way of
getting people to flame you.  The intricacies of the plot and the intricate
detail of the series is something to be marvelled at.  Watching the series
again might help change your perception.

    As to the other guy who complained about spoilers - I really do recommend
not reading this newsgroup because it can spoil the show for you.  Even if
articles do have a spoiler warning above them, it is often still extremely
tempting to read the article anyway and then it is too late...

    Another series, another series, my kingdom for another series...

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             but that's just my opinion...

...so are you going to post them again?  I never even say them in the
first place!

Eric

--
My apologies to those who already have these, but I'm reposting the
 gif files I have to satisfy the recent requests.

If anyone has any more, let me know!

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Has anyone sent the full poem to the FTP site that has all of the TP files?
This summer, I remember there being such a site, but I have lost my information
as to where it is.  Can someone either post or send me the FTP address?  And
if the poem is not at the site, I would also be interested in receieving it.

Thanks in advance.


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Sanford M. Dickert                             ncc1701a@isl.stanford.edu
Stanford University Computer Science Robotics Laboratory

"Ay me.  For aught that I could ever read 
         Could ever hear by tale or history
         The course of true love never did run smooth."

                                     - Lysander from "Midsummer Nights Dream"

Allusions to other works within Twin Peaks -- Edition 3

Note: these are not meant to be read as a definite link to all these works; 
some may be coincidences. In general, most are lighthearted jabs, but some 
have real value in solving the mysteries of Twin Peaks. Actually, these are 
more likely "footnotes" rather than "allusions". (List originator and editor: 
Dave Platt [DGP], Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada)

(Contributors: DGP; Col Needham (CN), HP 
Labs, Bristol, U.K.; Rocky J Giovinazzo (RJG), U Mass.; Jason Snell, Unversity 
Of California, San Diego(JS), Dan Parmenter (DP); Joakim Petterson, 
Stockholm, Sweden (JP); RIch Haller, Eugene, Oregon (RH); Leslie D. 
Zettergren (LDZ); Lois T Casaleggi (LTC); Barb Miller (BM). 
Except where indicated, notes are made by DGP) 

SEASON ONE
   (In chronological order starting with 1000):

   1. The Bird:  Blue Velvet ends with a shot of a robin with a bug in its 
mouth.
   
   2. "Twin Peaks": Supposedly a fairly obvious sexual reference, I hadn't 
heard it used before, although SPY's "Separated At Birth?" book (published 
1988) commented on the "Twin (widow's) Peaks" of Bob Eubanks and Butch 
(Eddie Munster) Patrick. As well, for a town even more obssessed with 
lumber, TP has nothing on Lumberton from Blue Velvet. Also, Blake Edward's 
1962  thriller "Experiment In Terror" features Lee Remick as a bank clerk 
terrorized by a psycho into stealing from her employers. She lives in 
Twin Peaks (in San Francisco) and  the psycho's name is Red Lynch!! (CN) 
Finally, Entertainment Tonight ran two separate stories on Snoqualmie, WA 
(where the TP pilot was filmed) and Twin Peaks, CA (where Lynch is 
rumoured to have some land), both of which have grisly murders in their 
past.

   3. Harry S. Truman: Not only in reference to the former U.S. president. 
The name of the man who lived near Spirit Lake under Mt. St. Helens and 
refused to move from his home despite the warning of volcanic eruption was 
named Harry Truman, as well (JS).
   
   4. The name "Laura": In the 1944 movie Laura, a girl named Laura is 
killed, only to turn up as someone else. Also in the film, the villian's name 
is Waldo (!) Lydecker (!!), and a gun is hidden in a clock, a la the poker 
chip from One Eyed Jacks. As well, in a coincidence David Lynch would 
probably shrug off, the film starred Dana Andrews, whose initials bear a 
resemblance to TP's own Dana Ashbrook. A Laura Palmer is credited with 
writing a piece on the fall of Saigon for Rolling Stone. Also, note possible 
connection with Laura Dern. 

   5. Andy the crying deputy: In an (early 1990) arc of Wiseguy revolving 
around a murder in a small lumber town, the police officer that found the 
body cried upon its discovery. It was later revealed that the officer himself 
was the culprit. (This is probably not a coincidence. The plot of the TP pilot 
was well-known within TV circles. Further proof: the town's name was 
"Lynchboro"). Last thing on this: the Globe tabloid reported a week before 
2006 that Andy killed Laura and was going to murder Lucy, who was planning 
to have an abortion.

   6. Leland Palmer: There are two very small (pop.30 and 25 in 1963) 
towns in Washingron State named Leland and Palmer (DGP). As well, an 
actor named Leland Palmer starred in Bob Fosse's All That Jazz. (LTC).

   7. The song Bobby (and much later James) plays on the jukebox is from 
the Lynch/Badalamenti Industrial Symphony. It's called "I'm Hurt Bad".

   8. Ronette on the railroad tracks: Possible redux of Isabella 
Rosselini's nude wandering in Blue Velvet.
   
   9.  James The Biker: In an Interview interview, James Marshall said 
that David Lynch actually told him to think of James Dean while acting.
   
   10. Nadine's oneeye:  Numerous references, too many to list, but 
probably the one that applies here is the character on "Days Of Our Lives". 
(Actually, The character on "DOOL" is a hardened, tough male loner, but 
Nadine does exhibit some tough characteristics, don't you think?)

   11. Dale Cooper: Dale's middle name is Bartholomew, marking him D.B. 
cooper, a la the famous skyjacker. Kyle MacLachlan's performance is said to 
have been inspired by Lynch himself.

   12. The OAM: The most famous example of a one-armed man is, of 
course, the killer in the Fugitive. On that show, Richard Kimble's pursuant 
was named Phillip Gerard.

   13. The flickering lights: Apparently an actual hospital goofup, Lynch 
liked it so much he decided to flicker the lights himself. However, the 
lights-flickering motif was prevalent in Blue Velvet, Eraserhead, and even 
Orson Welles' Citizen Kane. As well, a script purported to be the first draft
has a mention of this.

   14. The videotape: Numerous, including Sex Lies and Videotape.

   15. The reflection in Laura's eye: used on a soap opera in the summer 
of 1990, don't know which one. (This is, of course, an homage, rather than an 
influence).

   16. The fallen deerhead: The first of many possible references to 
Fawlty Towers, which of course also featured a hotel with a harried owner 
(DGP). Yet it was a moose head in the Fawlty Towers episode(RH). (However, 
DP notes that the deerhead was just discovered that way by Lynch, which sounds
at least a little more plausible)

   17. "Fire, Walk With Me". Fire, is of course, one of the most enduring
symbols in all religions and mythologies, but a few instances that are 
relevant to TP: Lynch's own use of fire in other works (Blue Velvet, Wild At
 Heart) as passion or danger, and the relgious rites of the druids. The druids 
held wood, mistletoe (which is a parasitic plant), and fire as religious rites. 
This suggests ties with TP in terms of the spirits trapped in wood, 
BOB-as-a-parasite, and BOB-as-fire.

   18. The Log Lady: According to the Rolling Stone Interview with Lynch, 
The Log Lady predates Twin Peaks; Lynch was planning an earlier series 
with Catherine Coulson starring as the Log Lady. 
    
   19. "Falling"/"The Nightingale": The first of a few Julee Cruise 
numbers spliced into the action. 

(From 1001) 
   
   20.  "Marilyn Monroe and the Kennedys": An obsession shared by 
Cooper, Lynch, and Frost, who wrote a script for Goddess, a Monroe movie 
that was to be directed by Lynch.

(From 1002)

   21.  Ben & Jerry: Twin Peak's largest food freaks share their names 
with the allPnatural icePcream merchants. 

   22. OnePEyed Jack's: another crude sexual reference, fully explained  
by Bobby Peru in "Wild At Heart". Also, the Western with Marlon Brando.

   23. Horne's Sonnet: Shakespeare, Sonnet No. 18

   24. The Dream: Mark Frost has said that the dream imagery (including 
the owls) come from his own dreams. The tone and style, however, is pure 
Lynch. As commented in the newsgroup before, Lynch is known for his 
strange pauses and lags in action at inopportune times. this dates back to
"Eraserhead", which featured many strange, quiet moments. Cooper's 
reaction shots hearken back to that film and Jack Nance's lack of emotion. 

   25. BOB: The name "Bob" is a source of constant commentary. Lynch is 
well known for his daily sojurns to Bob's Big Boy.The recently-published Bob 
Book characterizes "Bob" as a generally benevolent guy, although it 
acknowledges the evil BOB. Among notable BobsI A "Bob" is thanked on Julee 
Cruise's Floating Into The Night LP; There is a church of Bob, a.k.a. the 
Church of the Subgenius; Drugstore Cowboy, which  stars Matt Dillon as a 
junkie named Bob, also features both Heather (Annie) Graham (as Nadine!!) 
and Grace Zabriskie (as Bob's mother!!) in its cast, finally, there 
is Bob Barker, the game-show host who decided to stop dying his hair and 
let it turn naturally white (!!).  Also, in Amherst, Nova Scotia at the
turn of the 19th century, a young girl named Esther Cox was legendary for 
her claims of disturbances by a poltergeist (one that set fire to her barn) 
that she called Bob.

   26. The Little Man From Another Place: In Nicholas Roeg's Don't Look 
Now, Donald Sutherland (grieving over the death of his daughter) pursues a 
malevolent dwarf in a red suit. As well, his wife is named Laura, and the 
movie's film editor, Graeme Clifford, directed an episode of TP (2005)

   27. Venus and Saturn: The statue (presumably of Venus) and the model 
of Saturn in the dream sequence may refer to the myth of Saturn, who killed 
his children. However, Venus was the daughter of Jupiter, not Saturn. It has 
been suggested (by RJG) that BOB=Saturn=bad god, Leland=Jupiter=good god, 
Laura=Venus=daughter of good god. Also, BOB refers to his victim's as his 
children, therefore making  "Jupiter",the son of "Saturn" as well as the 
father of "Venus"

   28. Talking backwards: apparently a talent known to Michael 
Anderson, which was apprently taught to the rest of the actors in the red 
room scenes. 

   29. The floor in the dream sequence was seen in Eraserhead.The red
drapes are reminiscent of the red curtains used in the titles to the biblical 
epic movie The Robe. This may have also inspired the blue velvet curtains 
used in the opening titles of Blue Velvet.

(From 1003)
   
   30.  Madeleine Ferguson: A reference to Vertigo, in which Judy (Kim Novak) 
posed as the "dead" Madeleine. As well, Jimmy Stewart's character was named 
Scottie Ferguson, giving Madeleine her surname. In Vertigo, Scottie makes Judy 
dye her hair blonde to look like Madeleine, a la James making Maddy up like 
Laura to catch the killer.)  One scene in this movie, in which Scottie is
momentarily confused as to whether he is with Judy or Madeleine, shows this by 
having the room spin around them as they embrace, as with Leland/BOB's death 
hold on Maddy.The other, fairly _obvious_ reference is probably the only 
instance of "identical cousins", namely the main characters from "The Patty Duke
 Show".


   31. "Johnny doesn't know what day it is": A reference, no doubt, to the 
Who's epic "Tommy". Perhaps written in anticipation of a storyline where 
Johnny is revealed as a savant? 

   32. The Bookhouse: There's a posssible connection with a native god 
named Bukwus or Bukus(RJG), or even the Roman god Bacchus (JP).If anybody 
has anything more to add, please give me a shout.

   33. The dream soul: has anybody with a knowledge of Blackfoot 
culture been able to trace this legend? I'm not doubting its existence, but 
would like to know more. 

(From 1004)
   
   34. Jacoby's sunglasses: Count Floyd on SCTV sported Ray-Ban 
Wayfarer versions of the same glasses, suitable for 3-D viewing. However,
3-D glasses are Blue-Red, while Jacoby's glasses are Red-Blue. Perhaps the
Dr. can "see deeper" into people with his glasses on.

   35. Gordon Cole: A minor character in BIlly Wilder's Sunset 
Boulevard, one of David Lynch's all-time favourite movies. (CN and DGP)

    36. Phillip Michael Gerard: See note # 12.

   37. Bob Lydecker: See note #4.

   38. Waldo: See note #4. Also, "The Avengers" had an episode that hinged 
on a talking bird or group of talking birds.

   39. Hank's Domino: I'm not sure about this one; any suggestions? 

   40. Owls: The first sighting of an owl in TP was in 1004, when Donna 
and James went to where they had buried the necklace. An owl hooted above, 
startling the two. There have been brief mentions in this newsgroup of the 
fact that according to Whitley Streiber's "Communion", the experience of being 
abducted by aliens (or whatever) is often erased by the "covering" memory 
of a giant owl.


(From 1005)

   41. ITL: While Hank reunites with Norma, Shelly is watching ITL. 
Montana is attacking Chet, and Jared is tied up  with a blue sash in his 
mouth, a la Blue Velvet.

   42. "The Third Man": A possible reference to the movie The Third Man, 
in which the "third man" (seen carrying off a dead body) turns out to be the 
"victim" himself, thus causing some to believe that Laura was not really 
dead, and disguised as Maddy.

   43. "Into The Night": See note #19.

(From 1006)

   44. Cooper's whistling: The tune Cooper blows on his whistle is the flying 
saucer's tone in Close Encounters Of The Third Kind. Possible foreshadowing of 
the alien stuff?

   45. Audrey spying on Battis through the slats in the closet door: Kyle 
MacLachlan did the same thing in Blue Velvet.

   
   46. Mr. Neff (Catherine Martell's insurance salesman): A reference to 
Walter Neff, an insurance salesman in Billy Wilder's RDouble IndemnityS. 
(CN)

   47. Barney and Fred (Coop and Ed's secret IDs): 'nuff said.

   48. Hester Prynn: As Blackie notes, the woman in "The Scarlet Letter".
   
   49. The cherry stem: TP writer Harley Peyton once claimed that his 
ex-girlfriend could actually do this.
    
(From 1007)

   50. Queen of Diamonds: The card that triggered Raymond Shaw 
(Laurence Harvey) to kill in The Manchurian candidate. At one point, Rosie 
(Janet Leigh) wore a large version of the card at a costume party. 

   51. "Such stuff as dreams are made of": More Shakespeare,from The Tempest,
Ac IV, Sc I, line 155. The speaker, Prospero, has just presented a play in which all the
actors were spirits (which he had the power to command) and he had become so
caught up in it that he almost forgot that some spirits were plotting to kill
him. He tells the spirit actors to disperse and makes a very famous speech in 
which he says that, just as the spirits disappear, so is human life and all the
world transitory. It goes on very poetically for a number of lines and ends
with: "We are such stuff as dreams are made on; and our little life is rounded
with a sleep." (BM) Actually, this is much more lyrical than its actual use in 
Twin Peaks: the speaker is Ben Horne, just before his tryst with the "new girl".
Just another sign of Horne's pretensiousness, I guess (DGP).

   52."Who Shot Agent Cooper?": Mark Frost has been quoted as saying 
"We were poking a little bit of fun at the 'Who shot J.R.' syndrome. Of course, 
he's wearing a bulletproof vest. I wasn't trying to present a mystery."

SEASON TWO

(from 2001) 

   53. The Waiter (a.k.a. Senor Droolcup): Another example of Lynch's 
tendency towards long, drawn-out, slooooow scenes. The Dell Mibbler scene 
is far more excruciating example of this, as noted by many 
netters. These scenes are especially agonizing at the tensest cliff-hanger 
moments, like right here.
   
   54. The Giant: Not entirely sure. Giants are common in most 
mythologies, but does anybody know the exact source of this giant?  Lynch 
himself said that Carel Struycken was cast as the Giant just because he saw 
him one day (DP). My own theory is that since Michael Anderson, the actor 
who plays the LMFAP, was in jail for drug posession at the time of the 
filming of 2000, the Giant was cast to replace him (DGP). However, I have 
been wrong before.

   55. "A man in a smiling bag": A product of Lynch's days in Philadelphia, 
where he lived near a morgue. 

   56. The reporter at the site of the burnt sawmill is Mark Frost in an 
uncredited role.

   57. Leland's white hair: See note #25.

(From 2002)

   58. When Shelly and Bobby are parked in Major Briggs' Lincoln, the 
"Audrey's Dance" music is playing. Bobby tells Shelly to change the station, 
and the music abruptly stops, switching to a blues song. A similar trick was 
used in 1001, and may be a cinematic allusion to Diva (1982), where the 
"incidental" music became part of the foreground action.

   59. Major Briggs' space transmissions: A few may recall the series 
Project: UFO from the late '70s (around the time of Close Encounters), which 
I believe was based on Project Bluebook.

   60. "Just You And I": an article in British GQ suggested that TP is an 
attempt to combine every TV series from the past. In that case, James' song 
near the end of the show may be an homage to Rick Nelson's songs at the end 
of the Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet. Or maybe not.

(From 2003)
   
   61. "She's ready for her close-up now": A paraphrasing of 
Gloria Swanson's most famous line in "Sunset Boulevard" (see note #35): 
"I'm ready for my close-up now, Mr. DeMille." (CN)

(From 2004)

   62. Judge Sternwood: The character who hires Philip Marlowe in "The 
Big Sleep" is named General Sternwood (CN).
   
   63. Darryl Lodwick: An overzealous prosecutor in "Anatomy of A 
Murder" is named Mitchell Lodwick.

(From 2005) 

   64. Mr. Racine (Leo's Lawyer): A reference to Lawrence Kasdan's "Body 
Heat" in which William Hurt plays a seedy lawyer in a movie inspired by 
"Double Indemnity" (See note #46) (CN). (Also,  Racine -in TP- is played by 
Van Dyke Parks, the avante-garde composer-arranger who worked with 
Beach Boy Brian Wilson (DGP))

(From 2006) 

   65. "Getting To Know You": Rodgers and Hammerstein, from "The King 
And I" 

(From 2007)

   66. "Rockin' Back Inside My Heart"/"The World Spins": See note # 19.

   67. The White Horse: Death, or Heroin, for sure, but probably not Troy, 
Laura Palmer's pony. According to the secret diary, Troy was brown or reddish-
brown.

(From 2008)

   68. "Surrey With The Fringe On Top": More Rodgers and Hammerstein, 
this time from "Oklahoma!"
   
(From 2009)
   
   69. "Leland, the time has come for you to seek the path.": The "clear 
light" is  constantly referred to as the first step in the ascension to a life-
after-death, and is common to many religions. However, the "void and 
cloudless sky" seems to be from the Tibetan Book Of The Dead.

   70. "There's more in Heaven and Earth than are dreamt of in 
our philosphy": Hamlet (ac I:sc V, lines 166-167) in response to the 
discovery of his father's ghost. In this case, Cooper might not be the Hamlet,
but Truman is definitely the bewildered Horatio.

(From 2010)

   71. "Waldorf Salad": This may be stretching a bit, but I honestly 
believe this is a reference (as before; see note #16) to Fawlty Towers, 
which based a whole episode on Basil not knowing what this was.

   72. Mountie King: King was the name of Sergeant Preston's dog. 

   73. The White Lodge: I am grateful to Jerry Boyajian 
for the explanation of the White Lodge. Apparently, in "The Devil's Guard" 
(a.k.a. "Ramsden") (by Talbot Mundy?), the White Lodge is a secret order that 
tries to create good, of which the Dalai Lama is a member. (I am also grateful 
to Janet M. Swisher for printing this fact in "Twin Peaks Frequently Answered 
Questions").

(From 2011)

   74. The Black Lodge/"The Dweller On The Threshold": When I first saw 
this episode, I immediately thought of the "Mirror, Mirror" episode of Star 
Trek. In keeping with the theory that TP=every bit of pop culture ever made 
(see note #60), and given Cooper's pure goodness, an "evil Cooper" sequence 
was inevitable.

   75. Roger Hardy at the RR: The only purpose of this scene is, of course, 
a MOD SQUAD REUNION!!! (sort of; apparently Michael Cole wasn't available 
for Mountie King or some other such role).   Not a true reference, but I wanted 
to mention it.

   76. James and Evelyn Marsh: I don't know what other people on the 
network thought of this arc (most probably hated it), but I liked it, in a 
strange way.  To my mind, the sequence resembled nothing so much as a 
James Dean movie, thus bringing James' character to its logical fruition. The 
dialogue in these scenes ("It's not the bike, it's just where it can take me... 
Sometimes I just go down the highway blind"-Loved it! pure camp.) seemed 
stilted and contrived on purpose. The existentially-depressed-James may 
have gotten a little annoying, but I thought it wasn't nearly as bad as some 
people did.

   77. "Now is the winter of our discontent...": The first lines from 
Shakespeare's Richard III, which certainly aptly describes Ben's situation.

(From 2012)
   
   78. Nicky-as-the-devil: (see note #60) In this case, "The Omen."

   79."O, she doth teach the torches to burn bright! It seems she..." Romeo
and Juliet, Ac I: Sc V, lines 46-49.

(From 2013)

   80. The Mark: Major Briggs' tattoo resembles (as many have pointed 
out) a variation on the radiation symbol.

   81. Spaceships and Owls: See note #40.

   82. "The Dorritt Home For Boys": The Dickensian nature of the "Little 
Nicky" plot (Orphans, lost lineage,the revelation of hidden origins, 
misfortune and serendipity in general) naturally calls for a suitably 
Dickensian name for the orphanage. 

   83. Ben's Civil War fantasy: Dr. Jacoby's explanation of Ben's delusion 
(re-enacting a failure to fight against his own inadeqacies) seems plausible, 
but why the Civil War? Ben had never before shown any sign of being a Civil 
War buff (as well, doesn't it seem especially strange that the owner of the 
*Great Northern* would identify with the South? -just kidding). However, 
one could see how Ben -a cocky, no-holds-barred maverick- could see some 
of himself in the Confederates (although not neccesarily Robert E. Lee). Of 
other interest is that immediately after Ben's fantasy ends, he is "rescued" 
by John Justice Wheeler -a possible reference to a Confederate cavalry 
general named Joseph Wheeler. As well,  Frost and Lynch's interest in the 
Civil War may  have been piqued by the PBS series (DGP). Another probable TP
connection is the war between Ben (the South) and Jean Renault (the North), who
has taken over OEJs. (RH)

(From 2014)

   84. "Wine comes in at the mouth": Yeats, as Pete notes. Although
Pete uses it because it's the only toast he knows (other than a limerick), the 
connection with Yeats suggests Pete's possible spiritual (indeed, mystical) 
nature, which has only rarely been touched upon.   

   85. The Black Pawn (No.1): The chess references  brought to my mind 
not Alice In Wonderland or somesuch, but The Avengers, both for the 
chessboard opening and an episode in which people were dispatched in ways 
that were made to resemble board games, e.g. a man killed by snakebite 
after climbing a ladder- Snakes and Ladders. Actually, the giant Pawn is a 
better example of this.      
 
(From 2015)

    86. The bus drivers listening to opera: A possible Ralph Kramden 
reference? I thought that this episode of TP (directed by Diane Keaton) had 
some bad lapses in TP's sensibility. There were times (the above scene and 
the deputies leaving the Marshes in strict formation) where Keaton did stuff 
purely for style. In the other episodes, the "strange" or stylized elements in 
scenes (the dwarf, the spotlights, BOB, the Giant) were "explained", not just 
there for show. Does anybody else agree?
   
   87. The wooden wind instrument that We is always playing and "wacking"
folks with is reminiscent of Kung Fu -- David Carradine (Caine) did similar 
things with his flute and his other personal articles in that series, no? 
(LDZ)

   88. Springfield: Earle's first target (to form the "C" -for "Cooper" or 
"Caroline") is Homer Simpson's hometown.

(From 2016)

   89. John Justice Wheeler: See note #83. Also, there is a John Wheeler 
who was a proponent of the multiple universes interpretation of Quantum Theory.

   90. "See the mountains kiss high heaven", etc.: Shelley, from "Love's 
Philosophy", Verse II. What makes me wonder is that the poem doesn't seem 
like something Coop would chose. Maybe he is more romantic than I thought, 
although my impression from both the show and the Autobiography is that 
Coop is not someone as interested in poetry (after all, he got a C from April) 
as he is in arcana and mysteries.

(From 2017)

   91. Margaret's Mark: The tattoo on the Log Lady is, IMHO, the Twin Peaks.

   92. Dr. Craig: A possible nudge at St. Elsewhere?
   
   93. Miss Twin Peaks: "On the set of the pilot, the makeup artist 
always called me Miss Twin Peaks. 'C'mere, Miss Twin Peaks!'": Sherilyn Fenn 
from "Babes In The Woods" (the "Women Of Twin Peaks" article in Rolling 
Stone, October 4, 1990).  Of course, Audrey ends up being the most reluctant 
to enter the contest.

(From 2018)

     94. Spelunking: In the obligatory TP sketch during the Kyle 
MachLachlan episode of Saturday Night Live, Coop described to Truman a dream in 
which a hairless mouse sang a songs about caves, and Coop said "Harry, tonight 
we're going to do a little spelunking." This CAN'T be a coincidence!

(From 2019)

   95. The Black Pawn (No. 2) See note # 85.

(From 2020) 

   96. The Dugpas: The dugpas were mentioned in "The Devil's Guard (aka
Ramsden)" Briefly, there was a sect of Tibetan buddhism called Dugpas that 
were black magicians. Sexual excesses and murder were two characteristics of 
their practise. Their chief opponents were the sect headed by the Dalai Lama.

   97. "When Jupiter and Saturn meet, they will receive you": Most people 
now take this to be an astronomical/astrological reference, as Cooper later 
deduces.

   98. "When Jupiter and Saturn meet, Oh what a crop of mummy wheat": 
Yeats, who was _very_ interested in the occult, mythology, and good and 
evil. In the Roman system of gods, Jupiter (good), as shown before, was the 
son of Saturn (evil), and symbolizes the duel between Leland and Bob, as 
well as Cooper and BOB. another thing to note is that Yeats' "gyres" (the two 
spirals representing the two natures of mankind and nature) resemble twin peaks. 
Yeats' take on mythology  informs much of the last episode, and may explain the 
cyclical nature of life in Twin Peaks.

   99. Miss Twin Peaks/The Taking Of The Queen: As a netter mentioned 
(please write with your name so you can be credited properly!) the floor at 
the roadhouse in the contest scenes resmbles a chess- or checker-board.

   100. Glastonberry Grove: The coincidental name shared with the 
legendary burial place of King Arthur (sort of: It's really Glastonbury) has 
had many run off in search of possible Fisher-King connections. I wonder... 
Most have proven a little tenuous, although some connections have been 
made: Andy seems to be set up as a Parsifal archetype (DGP). A good analogy
is WE::King Arthur, Caroline/Annie::Guinivere, Coop::SIr Lancelot (RH)
My own personal knowledge of Arthurian legend only goes as far as the Howard 
Pyle illustrated children's books and "Monty Python and the Holy Grail", but I 
_do_ like the idea of the cup-of-coffee-as-holy grail. The idea of "a child 
without a father" suggests to me Donna, or Lucy's baby, or even Little Nicky 
(he has to serve *some* purpose!). If anyone has more to add, please enter 
it.(DGP)

   101. The circle of sycamore trees: In the Tibetan book Of The Dead, 
according to Joseph Campbell, sycamore trees are connected with the Egyptian 
(Heliopolitan?) goddess Nut. As well, the twelve-trees/twelve-candles (twelve 
rooms?) connection is well noted. The circle was a sacred symbol in the 
religion of the druids (see note #17).

   102. The bank vault and Dell: See note #53.

   103. Chained Audrey: Another Avengers reference? (See note #85) (It 
seems to me that Emma Peel ended up shackled to objects quite a bit.) 

   104. Venus De Milo: Noth the planet/goddess (see note #27) and also 
"the gal with no arms. The name was Milo": GC in 2018. 
   
   105. "Doppelganger": It seemed to me to be a squaredance call, sort of 
like "change partners." "Doppelgaenger" has been translated from the German 
"Doppel" -Double-"Gaenger"-Goer. This has been interpreted as meaning both 
a shape-changer or a true double - a negative image of oneself that will 
destroy its counterpart - a la antimatter. This certainly agrees with the 
"imperfect courage" that Hawk mentioned. However, I see the doppelgangers as 
being both -- the Caroline-Annie-Shadow-Laura wraith could have all been Windom 
Earle, but the Shadow-Cooper (Doppelcooper?) was definitely a negative image of 
Cooper. Personally, I still think that this was the inevitable 
reference/homage/parody of "Mirror, Mirror" (See notes # 60 & #74).(DGP)  One 
definition of doppelgaenger (and the earliest on record) is "one who has seen
himself". Such an experience was taken as an ill omen, namely one of impending 
death.(RH)


   106. On the subject of classical allegories, how come 
noone (except the Toronto Globe and Mail) has mentioned "Faust"? Dale gave up 
his soul, right? For Annie, right? Sounds like a bargain with Mephistopheles 
to me. My personal knowledge of Faust gave me the impression that Faust made his
deal with the devil for the love a woman. (DGP) However, BM disagrees, although
she admits that Windom Earle was trying to play Mephistopheles, and was punished
gravely for his overstepping of bounds.

   107. "How's Annie?": The ending was, of course, guessed to a 
reasonable degree, by netter Daniel Mittleman, who should probably get 
some kind of award. 


Send contributions, suggestions, etc. either by email to 
<platt@ccu.umantioba.ca> or through the network.

Dave Platt Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.
   "Secrets are dangerous things, Audrey" -Dale Cooper

In article <1991Oct22.192756.21808@ccu.umanitoba.ca> platt@ccu.umanitoba.ca writes:
> >Allusions to other works within Twin Peaks -- Edition 3
> >   39. Hank's Domino: I'm not sure about this one; any suggestions? 

Perhaps I can help you with the source of the domino.  A few years 
ago, General Hospital did a story about a big bad guy who went
by the symbol of a domino.  He, the bad guy, was trying to find 
a burried treasure off the coast of China, or something like
that.  Anyway, whenever he wanted to contact someone, either to control
them or scare them, he sent them a domino.  The domino was used as
a calling card by others as well (as if they worked for him or something).
Anyway, I hope this helps you.


-- Kara Sheridan Adams@genie.slhs.udel.edu "I'm pro-choice and I vote" "I never met a cat I didn't like" "Meow"(that's from Annie)

Don't recall if the fire-walk-with-me poem is there, but here's the info
for the Twin Peaks ftp site:

audrey.levels.unisa.edu.au [130.220.16.88]

Take a look around /pub/twin-peaks... lots of neat stuff.

Oh yeah, someone asked about the big HyperCard sound stack... it is
definitely at the ftp stie.  Another nice stack there has plot
synopses, timelines, character relationships, continuity errors, and
other fun stuff in it.  Just look around... it'll be obvious.
-- -larryy@apple.com "Shi Nou Kou Sho Inu Neko Programmer" - Takada Naoki

A while ago, someone said the he/she had GIF's made from videotape
of a trip to Washington.  Did I miss these or have they not been
posted (or uploaded to audrey)?

Thanks,
Rocky Giovinazzo

*************  POSSIBLE SPOILERS FOLLOWING!!!!!!!!!  ************************












    I don't know if anyone has thought of this before, but my friend said to me
the other day that he thought Agent Cooper would be trapped in the black lodge
for 25 years(ie the time till the next planet convergence) and in the meantime
his Doppelganger would be out causing havoc in TP!!  This also ties in with the 
statement by Laura in the final episode where she says She will see him again
in 25 years...meanwhile...  What I don't understand is the hand gestures that
she does. Does anyone have any ideas what they are supposed to mean?  There is
a possible new series set up here with Agent Cooper's Doppelganger starring as
Number One Bad dude.  But who would be the new force of Good? - Deputy Andy..?

/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
Don Sharp ....ssharpde@cc.curtin.edu.au /\    DDDD    OOO   NN N       Sorry,  
(A small man from another place...)     /\    D   D  O   O  N NN       I can't
                                        /\    DDDD    OOO   N  N       E-mail!!
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
Disclaimer:  My opinion is that people are too opinionated about opinions and
             offer unnecessary opinions on whose opinions they actually are...
             but that's just my opinion...

I think someone recently asked what Julee Cruise was doing, so here's
an article from _Newsweek_ Oct. 28, 1991.

--
"Rocky Horror Sci-Fi Show"

     The English musical Return to the Forbidden Planet arrives here with an
Oliver Award (the British Tony), one of the biggest budgets ever seen
off-Broadway and a broad comic field to messs around in.  Loosely modeled
after the B-movie "Forbidden Planet" (itself based on "the Tempest"),
and staged in a newly converted porn theater done up as a spaceship, the
show mixes Shakespeare with rock-and-roll songs, cavorting knowingly in
the junk culture in between. There's a mind-expanding drug called X,
some tortured Shakespeare ("Two beeps or not two beeps," the caption
asks his communications officer) a cameo by Scotty from "Star Trek" and,
at the show's zenith, a roller-skating robot who ties up "Twin Peaks"
singer Julee Cruise with his microphone cord as he sings "Who's Sorry
Now."
     What's missing is a sense of adventure. The show is content to
quote from pop culture without really sending it up. Apart from the
roller-skating robot, there's no farcical excess to this farce, no
smartypants gutter wit to replace the highbrow wit the show topples.
On global terms, "Return" is the triumph of American idiocy (B movies,
rock music) over snooty British high culture. But there's no triumph
here-- not in the indifferent readings of overfamiliar songs, not in the
tame B-movie spoofs that seem less campy than the movies themselves. In
the end, both cultures lose out, and even idiocy gets a bad name.

John Leland
---

Rocky Giovinazzo
giovin@medr0.ecs.umass.edu

In article <1991Oct23.121829.10204@cc.curtin.edu.au> ssharpde@cc.curtin.edu.au (Don) writes:
> >*************  POSSIBLE SPOILERS FOLLOWING!!!!!!!!!  ************************

> >What I don't understand is the hand gestures that
> >she does. Does anyone have any ideas what they are supposed to mean?

Hello all!

During the first season of ^TWIN PEAKS^ local radio stations in Detroit and (I
guess around the US) played a special mix of Julee Cruise's "Falling" which had
a number of great quotes from the series mix into the song.

Do you remember now?  Well... I would like to know if anyone has a copy on tape
or if anyone knows a radio station where they played the song and if, and its a
really BIG if, I (we) can get a copy?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!  EMail or post and let me (us) know all
about your info! Thanks in advance!



All the best,


Don Kasprzak
UToledo

In article <1991Oct22.224139.1233@genie.slhs.udel.edu> adams@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Kara Sheridan) writes:
> >In article <1991Oct22.192756.21808@ccu.umanitoba.ca> platt@ccu.umanitoba.ca writes:
>> >>Allusions to other works within Twin Peaks -- Edition 3
>> >>   39. Hank's Domino: I'm not sure about this one; any suggestions? 
> >Perhaps I can help you with the source of the domino.  A few years 

And, to follow up my roomie, domino also is, I think, a type
of mask, a type of pizza and a Van Morrison song.  Thus, the
domino could be another reference to standard soap opera stuff
(one which incidentally echoes W.E.'s chess piece behavior), a
reference to the nothing-is-what-it-seems masks that all the 
residents seem to wear, or another reference to food (the show
is full of them).  I can't seem to relate the Van Morrison song
at all.  That is left as an exercise for the reader.

Chris

I, too, would like to encourage those of you interested in GIF pictures to
please post them in the "alt.binaries.pictures" (or "a.b.p.misc") group.

Some sites need to keep a close eye on available disk space.  When GIFS are
in a single hierarcy it's easier to recover disk space when the need arises.

Now, that said, let me complement you on the GIF.  You must have a video
capture board.  Looks good on my PC.  What's the brand name and how much did
it cost you?

Terry

For those of you not aware of the situation, here's an article from
alt.tv.twin-peaks where a series of GIF's were posted:

In article <1991Oct23.163901.7346@ms.uky.edu> kherron@ms.uky.edu (Kenneth Herron) writes:
<leslie@leslie.reo.dec.com (andy leslie) writes:

<<My apologies to those who already have these, but I'm reposting the
<< gif files I have to satisfy the recent requests.

<<If anyone has any more, let me know!

<Speaking as a news administrator, let me say that posting seventy-four
<articles totalling almost four megabytes all in one day is a really nice 
<way to get sites to stop carrying a group.  

<Thanks to Mr. Leslie, the one-day volume of this group was twice that of 
<alt.sex.pictures, the perennial champ.  About the only thing he did right
<was to split each GIF into properly-sized pieces.

<This is a discussion group, not one for distributing pictures.  There are 
<other alt groups for distributing pictures.  Besides which, four megs of
<pictures in one day is ludicrously large.  Mr. Leslie, let me suggest that
<if the urge strikes you to post more pictures, you keep it down to one
<per day and you do it in an appropriate group.  I for one will drop this
<group in an instant if it becomes a headache.

<Kenneth Herron                                       kherron@ms.uky.edu
<University of Kentucky                                  +1 606 257 2975
<Department of Mathematics          "Marty, he's in a '47 Ford and we're
<                     in a DeLorean.  He'll go through us like tinfoil."
-- INTERNET: tjw@pitt.edu BITNET: TJW@PITTVMS UUCP: uunet!unix.cis.pitt.edu!tjw Laugh while you can, Monkey Boy!

Venus is also said to have formed from

the testiculs of Uranus after Saturn

castrated him and killed him. Also did

any one notice all the West Side story

references. Aside from some of the

actors being in West Side Story (Ben

Horn and Lealand), the music has a

similar sound to some of the songs in

WSS.

ssharpde@cc.curtin.edu.au (Don) writes:

> > *************  POSSIBLE SPOILERS FOLLOWING!!!!!!!!!  ************************
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >     I don't know if anyone has thought of this before, but my friend said to 
> > the other day that he thought Agent Cooper would be trapped in the black lodg
> > for 25 years(ie the time till the next planet convergence) and in the meantim
> > his Doppelganger would be out causing havoc in TP!!  This also ties in with t
> > statement by Laura in the final episode where she says She will see him again
> > in 25 years...meanwhile...  What I don't understand is the hand gestures that
> > she does. Does anyone have any ideas what they are supposed to mean?  There i
> > a possible new series set up here with Agent Cooper's Doppelganger starring a
> > Number One Bad dude.  But who would be the new force of Good? - Deputy Andy..
> > 
> > /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
> > Don Sharp ....ssharpde@cc.curtin.edu.au /\    DDDD    OOO   NN N       Sorry,
> > (A small man from another place...)     /\    D   D  O   O  N NN       I can'
> >                                         /\    DDDD    OOO   N  N       E-mail
> > /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
> > Disclaimer:  My opinion is that people are too opinionated about opinions and
> >              offer unnecessary opinions on whose opinions they actually are..
> >              but that's just my opinion...

I think when she puts her hand on her nose it means Cocaine.

A long time ago someone posted the script to the final episode.
I didn't capture it because I thought it would end up at audrey.
It didn't.

Could the poster (or a copier) please send me a copy of it and/or
any other scripts (s)he may have?

thanks,
kevin

In <1991Oct23.030243.22595@risky.ecs.umass.edu> giovin@medr3.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:

> >A while ago, someone said the he/she had GIF's made from videotape
> >of a trip to Washington.  Did I miss these or have they not been
> >posted (or uploaded to audrey)?

> >Thanks,
> >Rocky Giovinazzo

i posted that, or at least i posted that i had some "rgb"s from pictures
from my trip.  i've been to lazy to figure out if the problem with
my rgb2gif converter is the converter itself or my machine.  i'll try
to get to it real soon.

sj

In article <18241@chopin.udel.edu> hamlet@chopin.udel.edu (Chris Adams) writes:

> >And, to follow up my roomie, domino also is, I think, a type
> >of mask, a type of pizza and a Van Morrison song.  Thus, the
> >domino could be another reference to standard soap opera stuff
> >(one which incidentally echoes W.E.'s chess piece behavior), a
> >reference to the nothing-is-what-it-seems masks that all the 
> >residents seem to wear, or another reference to food (the show
> >is full of them).  I can't seem to relate the Van Morrison song
> >at all.  That is left as an exercise for the reader.

I thought the domino counted the number of people Hank has killed
in one way or another.  Didn't an extra dot appear after he shot
Leo?

-S. Schultz

A while ago there was quite a bit of debating going on about the White/Black
Lodge/Waiting Room.  I recall someone suggesting some connection between
some floor in Blue Velvet and Twin Peaks.  He said they were both like a
chess board, checkered.  He mentioned also that this might have something
to do with Windom's chess game.

I watched the last episode again the other day.  The floor is NOT a
I watched the last episode again the other day.  The floor is NOT checkered
but zig-zagged.

Does anyone else remember this discussion, or am I imagining things?

Darryl

Hey!

The first part of the bob in mirror gif never made it here.
I really would like to have this.

doug

In article <1991Oct21.115320.10116@cc.curtin.edu.au> ssharpde@cc.curtin.edu.au (Don) writes:
> >
> >       To the person who insisted on saying that TP was just a loosely thrown
> >   together plot with bits and pieces both relevant and irrelevant included in no
> >  particular order, it is sad that you could not appreciate TP as the work of art
> >   that it actually is.  ...

Well I wasn't that person, but when are we going to find out who Bobby killed?
All the way back in episode 1000 Donna tells James that Bobby said he 
killed some guy.  It should have at least been explained why he would make up 
such a thing.  

And as an aside:  We should have seen James and the video camera in Laura's
  peeper along with the hog.  I see no reason for not making 
  that shot authentic.  Either you can see a motorcycle in 
  someone's eye on video or you can't.   The closeup should 
  have really told Cooper that Laura and Donna were good at 
  superimposing video images.  The motorcycle didn't even have
  a convex mirror distortion to it.

I expect a lot for my money.  Don't I?

Kevin

Pardon my forgetfulness, but did we ever discover with any certainty who the
three men were with whom Laura slept the night she was killed? The
possibilities, as I recall, were...

Leo
Leland/Bob
Jacques
Bobby
James
Ben

any others?

- matt

In a previous article, wall@cc.swarthmore.edu (Matthew Wall) wrote:
> >Pardon my forgetfulness, but did we ever discover with any certainty who the
> >three men were with whom Laura slept the night she was killed? The
> >possibilities, as I recall, were...
> > 
> >Leo
> >Leland/Bob
> >Jacques
> >Bobby
> >James
> >Ben
> > 
> >any others?
> > 
> >- matt

I thought was Leo, Jacques and Leland/Bob.  I recall Jacques telling Cooper
what he knew of Laura's last night.  He said that he, Leo and Laura spent
some time at the cabin doing coke etc (sex).  I assumed both of them had
sex with her, but I could be wrong.

Darryl Friesen

How about a netnews.alt.twin-peaks.pics or netnews.alt.twin-peaks.gifs
sub-bboard?

Just a suggestion...
(I thought the gifs were great though the color wasn't that spiffy.)

Eric

*****************************************************
The meek will inherit the earth.  The guilty will be punished.  The
check is in the mail.  Groove is in the heart.
*****************************************************
Eric T. Pronko, ep1d+@andrew.cmu.edu
*****************************************************

Help!

What are the UUTools mentioned in the post above?  Are they for decoding gifs
from a vax to a macintosh?  If so, where can I find this utility and is the
location a FTP?




Don Kasprzak



UToledo

I hope Mr. Leslie.reo.dec.com has achieved his/her desired goal.  Because
of the sudden posting of over 4 Meg of data in one day, several for-work
systems ran out of space during prime-time, and the group will no
longer be carried by us or distributed by us.

In <KWH.91Oct24104345@ASWAN.SD.RI.CMU.EDU> kwh@CS.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann) writes:

> >                           ... when are we going to find out who Bobby killed?
> >All the way back in episode 1000 Donna tells James that Bobby said he 
> >killed some guy.  It should have at least been explained why he would make up 
> >such a thing.  

I think the point was Laura said "Bob killed some guy", and James automatically
thought Bobby, since he knew no other Bob, and since Bobby was supposed to
be Laura's boyfriend.  This was never confirmed though.

> >And as an aside:  We should have seen James and the video camera in Laura's
> >  peeper along with the hog.  I see no reason for not making 
> >  that shot authentic.  Either you can see a motorcycle in 
> >  someone's eye on video or you can't.   The closeup should 
> >  have really told Cooper that Laura and Donna were good at 
> >  superimposing video images.  The motorcycle didn't even have
> >  a convex mirror distortion to it.

> >I expect a lot for my money.  Don't I?

yes.

> >Kevin

sj

I don't remember who opsted this after the series finale, but they stated
that the hand motion Laura made stood for contemplation and courage
(each hand conveying one of the symbols).  I can't recall for sure, but
I think they are Hindu in nature.

John Schultz (caffeine abuser)  !  ABC killed Laura Palmer
c491153@umcvmb.bitnet           !  Macintosh-free and proud of it!
c491153@umcvmb.missouri.edu     !  Subscriber to the hacker ethic

In article <KWH.91Oct24104345@ASWAN.SD.RI.CMU.EDU> kwh@CS.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann) writes:
Diary Spoiler:

> >... but when are we going to find out who Bobby killed?
> >All the way back in episode 1000 Donna tells James that Bobby said he 
> >killed some guy.  It should have at least been explained why he would make up 
> >such a thing.  

In this scene, we hear:

Donna: James, what happened last night?
James: It was kinda like a nightmare. Donna she was a different person.
D: What are you saying?
J: I'm telling you there were things she was involved with, things
she let herself get pulled into, things she thought you'd hate her for. 
She said, "there are things about me." She said, "even Donna doesn't know me."
D: I knew her. I knew her better than she thought I did.
J: Donna, she said something about a guy getting killed.
D: Who?
J: She didn't say, but she said, Bobby told her that he killed this
guy.
D: Oh my God.
J: This is why I had to see you. It all makes some kind of terrible
sense that she died, that someone killed her.  I don't know.  I can't
explain it.  I didn't know whether to believe any of this last night.
I mean, half of the time she wasn't making any sense. ...

In the secret diary, there's an entry about Laura and Bobby escaping
from some people where Bobby ends up shooting someone.

Nov. 12, 1987:

     "Then, it was my turn to send the "Oh, shit" look. When we were
halfway down the road, I looked in the rearview mirror and saw
someone else in the truck bed with Leo, and Leo was losing something
awful. Bobby pulled out his gun and with his free hand, lifted himself
out of the side window and told the guy he had two seconds to disappear
or die. He had to choose fast..."
     The guy sat up, and _Bobby shot him in the chest at a range of
about three, maybe four feet._ The speed of the bullet sent the guy
flying out of the back of the truck and onto the ground behind us. Bobby
screamed at me, "Get the hell outa' here. _Drive!_"
----
There are a few possibilities here that possibly explain James' comment.

1.  Assume James' statement was accurate:
James said that Bobby told Laura about killing this guy.  That would
mean that Laura wasn't actually there during the murder.  This would
also mean that the guy shot in the truck is not the same person James
was talking about. From this, I'd conclude that the person James
mentioned has not been revealed in the show.

2.  James said Laura was talking crazy and he couldn't understand what
she was saying half of the time.  So, assume that James didn't get the
story quite right. Laura actually told him about Bobby killing a guy,
but didn't say that Bobby had told her about it-- she just knew (because
she was there).

3.  Laura didn't say what she meant.  Perhaps Laura was still
uncomfortable with being completely honest about what happened and
wanted to exclude herself from the story about Bobby killing someone--
so she bent the truth slightly and said that she only knew about the
murder because Bobby told her about it.  (If you read Laura's diary,
you'll see that she was trying to do good things so that she could be
a good person.  It's likely that bending the story was a minor way of
avoiding feeling "bad.")

4.  Laura was really talking about BOB-- James just thought she meant
Bobby.  

I like to think that it was #2 or #3 which bring about the same
conclusion: James was talking about the guy killed in the diary entry.
Of course, there's also the possibility that there's just an
inconsistency somewhere in the show.

Rocky Giovinazzo

In an article friesenda@skyfox.usask.ca writes:
> >   I recall someone suggesting some connection between some floor in
> >   Blue Velvet and Twin Peaks.  

Not Blue Velvet but Eraserhead! The floor in the house where Henry
lives has the very same design as the floor in the Lodge.
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Apologies to those whose disks filled. That wasn't my intent. I guess 
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Since several people have seen fit to thank me in mail, I guess it
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It didn't arraive here either ! And the giant gif was all messed up.

If anyone got the missing/faulty parts I'd really appreciate it if they
could be sent to me !

Thankx in advance !
Sture

> >In article <1991Oct23.154659.9165@risky.ecs.umass.edu> giovin@medr3.ecs.umass.edu (Rocky J Giovinazzo) writes:
> >   In article <1991Oct23.121829.10204@cc.curtin.edu.au> ssharpde@cc.curtin.edu.au (Don) writes:
> >
> >   >What I don't understand is the hand gestures that
> >   >she does. Does anyone have any ideas what they are supposed to mean?  
> >
> >   From an old posting last summer (I've lost the author's name sorry.):
> >
> >   "If my memory serves me correctly it's the classic possition taken by
> >   Shiva while doing his dance that destroys and thus remakes the world
> >   The fullfilment of the death and re-birth cycle. It's also symbolic
> >   of something that is in this world but not of this world." 
> >
> >   Rocky Giovinazzo


Well, I just talked with a Shaivite, and he said that Shiva destroys and remakes
all or part  of the world when there is an excess of evil in it.  Shiva is
not known to do the hand gesture, but the people who pray to him are known to
do it.   These followers will place a Shiva idol (medal) in the open up facing
hand and use the other hand as the praying hand.  It's as if they are praying at
an alter with an idol on it.

So I think Laura is saying:  "Things are going to get really bad.  You probably
      won't be much help 'til you get out of here
      twenty-five years from now.  'Meanwhile' we should
      pray that someone else intervenes to rid Twin Peaks
      of the excess in evil."

-Kevin

more on Shiva:

                        ACADEMIC AMERICAN ENCYCLOPEDIA

  TITLE     Shiva
  ARTICLE   {shi'-va}
            One of the two principal Hindu gods (the other being VISHNU),
            Shiva is frequently viewed as the destroyer of the world prior
            to each period of dissolution. He is depicted in both terrible
            and graceful forms, the latter including the dancing Shiva, or
            Nataraja. He consorts with a mother goddess, Ambika, known by
            various other names such as Parvati, Uma, Durga, or Kali (see
            also SHAKTI), and his presence is iconographically suggested by
            the image of his vehicle, a bull (Nandi), or by the
            pillar-shaped lingam, a phallic image.
            Hindus who view Shiva as the supreme deity are known as
            Shaivites. Among the various localized sects of Shaivism are
            Kashmir Shaivism, Virashaivism, and Shaiva Siddhanta. KARL H.
            POTTER

In article <24OCT91.14303759@skyfox.usask.ca> friesenda@skyfox.usask.ca writes:

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> >
> >   A while ago there was quite a bit of debating going on about the White/Black
> >   Lodge/Waiting Room.  I recall someone suggesting some connection between
> >   some floor in Blue Velvet and Twin Peaks.  He said they were both like a
> >   chess board, checkered.  He mentioned also that this might have something
> >   to do with Windom's chess game.
> >
> >   I watched the last episode again the other day.  The floor is NOT checkered
> >   but zig-zagged.
> >
> >   Does anyone else remember this discussion, or am I imagining things?
> >
> >   Darryl


I remember the discussion.  I think he said the floor of the road house where the
Miss Twin Peaks pageant took place was checkered.  And Windom Earl took his opponent's
queen (Annie) off that chessboard.

Kevin

In article <8G69HPX@cc.swarthmore.edu> Matthew Wall <wall@cc.swarthmore.edu> writes:
> >Pardon my forgetfulness, but did we ever discover with any certainty who the
> >three men were with whom Laura slept the night she was killed? The
> >possibilities, as I recall, were...
> >
> >Leo
> >Leland/Bob
> >Jacques
> >Bobby
> >James
> >Ben

SPOILERS FOR EUROPEANS BELOW:
















The most probable combination is Leo, Jacques and Leland.

In episode 1007, Jacques sheds some light on what happened the night
Laura died. She and Ronette came up to the cabin. Judging from what
usually happened at the parties [from Laura's diary], Laura certainly
had intercourse with both men. After Leo and Jacques had their fight,
they left, leaving Laura and Ronette (unconsious?) at the cabin. Later,
the "third man" (Leland) came and transported them to the train car,
where they were attacked. Without the postulate of a "fourth man,"
it must be that Leland also raped Laura at this time.

Of course, with the film coming up in March (covering the week before
Laura's death), all of the above might be modified.

--
David E. Coufal                                          dcoufal@athena.mit.edu
 "One time I removed all the hair from a mouse with Nair-Hair just to
  see what it looked like.  And it looked beautiful." - David K. Lynch
           "Let's hear it for the vague blur." - P. K. Dick

 Now I've lived here in the Snoqualmie Valley for several years,
but am not exactly sure where the "Welcome to Twin Peaks" sign was
actually shot. Somewhere with a view of Mt. Si. Can one of you fellow
TP fans help me with the exact location (road, mileage, etc.)

Thanks in advance, Jim

Does anybody know of any FTP sites for GIF's?

It would be much easier to tranfer the pictures this way to
here this way.

If anybody knows of one, please post the site or e-mail me
at 
             marbach@feserve.cc.purdue.edu

Thanks!

.

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Hi,

Can anybody give me an explanation about how to look at the ftp-site 'audrey'?
I'm working on a Unix-machine, and ftp is available, but how do i work with it?
I really want to take a look overthere.

Please send email to sgl@mh.nl

Senks,
    Annet

In article <gLcaaB3w164w@whitebase.ukp.com>, salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Gregory
Salmieri) says:
> >I think when she puts her hand on her nose it means Cocaine.

I think when she puts her finger on the side of her nose it is the secret
sign of the bookhouse boys. Remember?

In article <1878@pilchuck.Data-IO.COM> jkragh@Data-IO.COM (Jim Kragh) writes:
> >
> > Now I've lived here in the Snoqualmie Valley for several years,
> >but am not exactly sure where the "Welcome to Twin Peaks" sign was
> >actually shot. Somewhere with a view of Mt. Si. Can one of you fellow
> >TP fans help me with the exact location (road, mileage, etc.)

Take Meadowbrook Way (in Snoqualmie) north off Snoqualmie-North
Bend Road.  After you cross the bridge over the Middle Fork
Snoqualmie River, the road turns into Reining Road.  Continue
on Reinig past the railroad trestle and bear right past the
intersection with 396 Drive.  Continue on Reinig about 3/4 to 1
mile until you reach a gravel pullout on the right, just above
the river.  This is the opening shot.  You can identify it from
the geometry of the 3 cottonwoods and telephone pole in front of Mt. Si.

-S. Schultz

In article <24OCT91.20235671@skyfox.usask.ca>, friesenda@skyfox.usask.ca writes:
> > 
> > I thought was Leo, Jacques and Leland/Bob.  I recall Jacques telling Cooper
> > what he knew of Laura's last night.  He said that he, Leo and Laura spent
> > some time at the cabin doing coke etc (sex).  I assumed both of them had
> > sex with her, but I could be wrong.
> > 
> > Darryl Friesen
> > 

The autopsy stated that she had had intercourse with 3 men in the last 24
hours. It is clear from what Coop says in various episodes that we are
supposed to believe that those three men were Leo, Jacques and Leland/BOB.

I'm not sure that the last is ever stated as clearly as that, but while it is
possible that someone other that Leland (e.g., Bobby or James) is the third
person, it is less likely than Leland/BOB.  I can't recall if Coop actually states
that Leland/BOB was sexually molesting Laura on a regular basis before her 
death, but if not, we are surely given strong hints that this was the case. 
Likewise, while Laura's diary never explicitly states this either, we are
obviously meant to draw this conclusion.

-Rich Haller

In article <KWH.91Oct25114406@ASWAN.SD.RI.CMU.EDU>, kwh@CS.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann) writes:
> > 
> > In article <24OCT91.14303759@skyfox.usask.ca> friesenda@skyfox.usask.ca writes:
> > 
>> > >   Path: pt.cs.cmu.edu!rochester!cornell!uw-beaver!milton!usenet.coe.montana.edu!caen!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!uunet!bonnie.concordia.ca!ccu.umanitoba.ca!herald.usask.ca!skyfox.usask.ca!friesenda
>> > >
>> > >   A while ago there was quite a bit of debating going on about the White/Black
>> > >   Lodge/Waiting Room.  I recall someone suggesting some connection between
>> > >   some floor in Blue Velvet and Twin Peaks.  He said they were both like a
>> > >   chess board, checkered.  He mentioned also that this might have something
>> > >   to do with Windom's chess game.
>> > >
>> > >   I watched the last episode again the other day.  The floor is NOT checkered
>> > >   but zig-zagged.
>> > >
>> > >   Does anyone else remember this discussion, or am I imagining things?
>> > >
>> > >   Darryl
> > 
> > 
> > I remember the discussion.  I think he said the floor of the road house where the
> > Miss Twin Peaks pageant took place was checkered.  And Windom Earl took his opponent's
> > queen (Annie) off that chessboard.
> > 
> > Kevin
> > 

Yup. Both the floor at the MTP pageant and the Double R are checkerboard style
while the floor of the Waiting Room, etc., is 'zigzag'.  Someone else has claimed that
the floor in Eraserhead is also 'zigzag', but it has been so long since I saw it that
I can't confirm it.

-Rich

The person posting asked for directions to the site in Snoqualmie where
the TP sign appeared.  Last August I went out there and used the following
directions which I got from Stewart Schultz <schultz@unixg.ubc.ca>:

> > Opening sequence with "Welcome to TP" sign:  stay on Reinig Road
> > after intersection with 396.  Twin Peaks (Mt. Si) straight ahead.
> > Continue about 1/2 mile to a turnout on the right hand side.  The
> > cottonwoods aren't bare as in the opening shot, but this is the site.

These directions were perfect.  The only thing missing is the exact
location of where Reinig road begins, but I was able to find it with 
little trouble.  It's the same road that the Railroad trestle is on, which
is just before 396.  "396," by the way, refers to a street called "396 Road."
Alot of streets have there names like that.  By the way, does anyone know,
are those streets numbered from some point originating in Seattle??

Another poster wrote about the site of the sign:

> > (Of course, the Welcome to Twin Peaks sign
> > is missing, but you can see the holes where it was....)

Actually, I could still see evidence of one piece of broken off timber-wood still
in the ground.  When I took a picture from exactly that spot, the photograph
looked astonishingly like the opening shot, to the point where friends I show
the picture to immediately gasp when they see it.  But there were some 
important differences...somehow in the TV shot the mountains appear MUCH larger
(telephoto lens?), and they appear to have digitally edited the telephone poles
to omit the wires, crossbridges, and transformers, so that the poles look
almost like trees.  Clever people, those movie makers.

-- Greg Sandell Institute for the Learning Sciences sandell@ils.nwu.edu Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA
-- Greg Sandell Institute for the Learning Sciences sandell@ils.nwu.edu Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA

In article <1991Oct27.184748.20951@nntp.uoregon.edu> rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:

> >Yup. Both the floor at the MTP pageant and the Double R are checkerboard style
> >while the floor of the Waiting Room, etc., is 'zigzag'.  
> >Someone else has claimed that
> >the floor in Eraserhead is also 'zigzag', but it has been so long since 
> > I saw it that I can't confirm it.

The zig-zag floor pattern is definitely in Eraserhead.  It's in a sort
of waiting area (I think a waiting area for an elevator.).

Rocky Giovinazzo

/ hpopd:alt.tv.twin-peaks / bchoplic@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Brian A Choplick) /  2:56 am  Oct 26, 1991 /

> >...
> >(Is it any coincidence that the name of the system audrey is the name of
> >a character on TP?)

Yes, though I think it's a rather fortuitous one.

Richard.

I was reading the allusions listing and had a couple of things to 
discuss....

the white horse:  It was my impression (imperfect, though it is) that
the white horse might signify the legend of the "pooka" or
ghost horse.  Supposedly, before a fatal tragedy strikes a household
one of three visitors will appear to foreshadow the tragedy
1.  the "pooka" or Mari-Llewdd (sp?) in welsh.
2.  the flayed bull.
3.  a cat which sits on the chest of the soon-to-be victim as
he/she lays in the deathbed.
I'm not entirely sure where the legend of the "pooka" originated.  There are
references to it in celtic legend, welsh mythology and many tales both
Scottish and Irish (perhaps a gaelic twist,eh?).  My pardons to anyone
from Wales, my knowledge of the Welsh tongue is far from perfect.

Glastonberry(bury) grove:I was under the impression (see disclaimer)
that King Arthur was not necessarily buried in Glastonbury
but rather taken by ship to the "Isle of Man" or "Avalon".
according to the analyses I have read, Glasonbury was 
selected as the probable site of Avalon because
at the time, Glastonbury was strictly an island in the
right region.  Nowadays, I think the channel to Glastonbury
is not alwasy filled with water.  Also, supposedly, scholars
have found a headpiece reading "here lies King Arthur"
or something of that sort.  (again, I am simply a fanatic
about King Arthur, and not at all certain of my facts.)

Not to mention the fact that I hate to think of WE as Arthurian, although
the allusion works well.

2fowGODSON@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu

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In article <1991Oct26.181335.115@unixg.ubc.ca>, schultz@unixg.ubc.ca (Stewart Schultz) writes:
> > 
> > Continue on Reinig about 3/4 to 1
> > mile until you reach a gravel pullout on the right, just above
> > the river.  This is the opening shot.  You can identify it from
> > the geometry of the 3 cottonwoods and telephone pole in front of Mt. Si.

Warning, there's more than one pullout (and your definition of a pullout
might vary).  Pass the first pullout-like area.  When you see the second 
pullout, you'll know for sure that you're there.  Suggestion:  before you
take your trip, take the TP Soundtrack with you, because the cover has
a great shot of the opening credits, and you'll get a kick out of looking
at the two together.

Another important identifying feature, besides the telephone poles, is the 
curve of the road to the left just after where the sign was.

Greg "I love to beat a topic to death" Sandell

-- Greg Sandell Institute for the Learning Sciences sandell@ils.nwu.edu Northwestern University, Evanston IL USA

I have a student in highschool (sophomore) who simply adores twin-peaks
and, frankly, all of David Lynch's works.  He has expressed several times
how much he want's to get into film making, and so forth.  

I think he has promise, since I work with him in theatre and have seen
his enthusiasm, and his creativity.  He has asked me what he should be
looking into as far as preparing for a career in filmmaking.  Simply put,
I haven't got a clue, I simply do theatre, and have no clue on mass media.

Does anyone have suggestions for him.  If you would like, you may respond
direcly to him on my account, and I will forward his mail in hard copy form.

His given name is Dusty, and he is really excited about the possibility of
someone acutally responding to this posting.

2fowGODSON@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu

In article <3927@anaxagoras.ils.nwu.edu>, sandell@ils.nwu.edu (Greg Sandell) writes:
[deletions]
> > Actually, I could still see evidence of one piece of broken off timber-wood still
> > in the ground.  When I took a picture from exactly that spot, the photograph
> > looked astonishingly like the opening shot, to the point where friends I show
> > the picture to immediately gasp when they see it.  But there were some 
> > important differences...somehow in the TV shot the mountains appear MUCH larger
> > (telephoto lens?), and they appear to have digitally edited the telephone poles

One thing my daughter and I noticed on our visit is that almost everything looks smaller than it did in the series. I don't know if this is all the result of the lenses used or what.

-Rich Haller

   During the world series there were radio ads featuring a lady 
saying ``Mondays are great!  YAAY!  MONDAY!''

   Can you think of someone they should have gotten for this?

In article <91299.103354U40643@uicvm.uic.edu>, Ty Warner <U40643@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
> > 
> > I think when she puts her finger on the side of her nose it is the secret
> > sign of the bookhouse boys. Remember?
> > 

Nope. Look again at a Bookhouse scene. We went over this a long time ago.

-Rich Haller

In article <102190001@hpopd.pwd.hp.com> richardh@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Richard Hancock) writes:

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   From: richardh@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Richard Hancock)
   Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
   Date: 28 Oct 91 12:51:36 GMT
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   >>...
   >>(Is it any coincidence that the name of the system audrey is the name of
   >>a character on TP?)

Oh boy.  Of course it's a coincidence.  I think you're asking if it was 
intentional.

" coincidence (koh-IN'si-duhns, -dens') n.
 1. The state or fact of coinciding.  2. A sequence of events that
            although accidental seems to have been planned or arranged. "


   > Yes, though I think it's a rather fortuitous one.

   > Richard.

This just in from The Department of Redundancy Dept.:

" Fortuitous is often confused with fortunate. Fortuitous means
           "happening by chance." A fortuitous meeting may have either
   fortunate or unfortunate consequences. In common usage, it is true,
   some of the meaning of fortunate has rubbed off on fortuitous so
           that even when it is properly used, fortuitous often carries an
           implication of lucky chance rather than unlucky chance. But the word
   is not synonymous with fortunate and should not be used unless it
           refers to something that came about by chance or accident. The
           following example is termed unacceptable by a large majority of the 
           Usage Panel: The meeting proved fortuitous; I came away with a much 
           better idea of my role. "

-  THE AMERICAN HERITAGE DICTIONARY



Sorry, but I'm a twit.  I just gotta do these things sometimes.

Kevinganger!

To all parties concerned:

To begin with, I should state that I have no affiliation
with the "offender" OR the "offendee" in this situation.
Nor do I know whether these comments will do any good,
since the administrators of the crashed system have un-
ceremoniously decided to drop alt.tv.twin-peaks.  But I'll
post my own $.02 for whatever it's worth.

I think that hacking off an entire newsgroup because of
an unfortunate event is, cliche-edly, like throwing the
baby out with the bathwater.  I highly doubt that the
poster of the GIFs intended to crash systems with the
postings, as the system administrators seem to suggest.

I'm sure that this caused unimaginable chaos and incon-
venience in the crashed system.  But this could happen
as a result of the postings to many newsgroups, not just
this one.

Undoubtedly, I'm opening myself up to a deluge of flames.
If such flames arrive in my reader, it will be ironic,
because I have no stake in this issue.  I'm not affected
by the offended system.

"Then why don't you mind your own *#$@!% business?"  You
might be thinking.  Well, I just hate to see the people
who *do* depend on the "Peaks-less" system suffer for an
accident.

How about we all look at this thing as a lesson in when
and how much to post. . . and let bygones be bygones?
Regardless of where the blame lies, coudn't we all just
take precautions OTHER THAN WHOLESALE DELETION OF THE
GROUP to see that it doesn't happen again?

I don't mean to offend anyone; I'm just trying to keep
peace on the net.  If you intend to flame, keep this in
mind.

                          --- Derek S. Felton
                              dsf105 @ psuvm.psu.edu

> >The autopsy stated that she had had intercourse with 3 men in the last 24
> >hours. It is clear from what Coop says in various episodes that we are
> >supposed to believe that those three men were Leo, Jacques and Leland/BOB.

> >I'm not sure that the last is ever stated as clearly as that, but while it is
> >possible that someone other that Leland (e.g., Bobby or James) is the third
> >person, it is less likely than Leland/BOB.  I can't recall if Coop actually states
> >that Leland/BOB was sexually molesting Laura on a regular basis before her 
> >death, but if not, we are surely given strong hints that this was the case. 
> >Likewise, while Laura's diary never explicitly states this either, we are
> >obviously meant to draw this conclusion.

> >-Rich Haller

If I remember correctly Cooper does state that Leland, actually Bob, was
molesting her in one of the episodes possibly the one where they have
Leland in the cell...+/- a few episodes.  I had assumed that was why
Agent Cooper had that disturbed look in that episode.  Of course, I 
may be mistaken...it's been a long time.
L.Saiki (pronounced 'psyche')

In article <1991Oct28.125201.35000@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> 2fowgodson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> >
> >
> >I was reading the allusions listing and had a couple of things to 
> >discuss....
> >
> >the white horse:  It was my impression (imperfect, though it is) that
> >the white horse might signify the legend of the "pooka" or
> >ghost horse.  Supposedly, before a fatal tragedy strikes a household
> >one of three visitors will appear to foreshadow the tragedy
> >1.  the "pooka" or Mari-Llewdd (sp?) in welsh.
> >2.  the flayed bull.
> >3.  a cat which sits on the chest of the soon-to-be victim as
> >he/she lays in the deathbed.
> >I'm not entirely sure where the legend of the "pooka" originated.  There are
> >references to it in celtic legend, welsh mythology and many tales both
> >Scottish and Irish (perhaps a gaelic twist,eh?).  My pardons to anyone
>from Wales, my knowledge of the Welsh tongue is far from perfect.

Apparently at the TP convention in New York City last fall, Lynch and
Frost responded 'We thought it looked neat' to a questions about the meaning
of the white horse.  

I guess we can learn from this that not everything means something...

-Gian Di Loreto (UR)
> >

> >In article <gLcaaB3w164w@whitebase.ukp.com>, salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Gregory
> >Salmieri) says:
>> >>I think when she puts her hand on her nose it means Cocaine.

> >I think when she puts her finger on the side of her nose it is the secret
> >sign of the bookhouse boys. Remember?

Wasn't the secret sign of the Bookhouse Boys running an index finger over -
now let's see, was it the right eyebrow? Could've been the left.

Leanne Richard
University of Newcastle,
Australia.

PS. Knowing who killed Laura before the series even commenced didn't spoil
my viewing of the series. (It's still going here in the Newcastle/ Hunter
Valley area, by the way).

    Would someone please clarify the events which may lead up to the possible
termination of alt.tv.twin peaks?  As far as I can gather, some guy offered a
whole bunch of GIF files to be copied.  Some people took the offer up and their
system crashed as a result of an overload.
    - is this correct?

    If so and twin peaks might be lost, then a consensus must be reached as to
a new newsgroup for Peak fans to post to.


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    Also, I have a question - it was stated in one episode that in the black
lodge only a certain type of person would be able to survive or else his soul
would  be totally destroyed.  It appears Cooper did not meet the requirements
but that perhaps the OAM might have.  What do people reckon about this thought? 
It would end doubt and speculation as to Cooper's fate in the lodge.

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In article <1991Oct28.125201.35000@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> 2fowgodson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
> >
> >   I was reading the allusions listing and had a couple of things to 
> >   discuss....
> >
> >   Glastonberry(bury) grove:I was under the impression (see disclaimer)
> >   that King Arthur was not necessarily buried in Glastonbury
> >   but rather taken by ship to the "Isle of Man" or "Avalon".
> >   according to the analyses I have read, Glasonbury was 
> >   selected as the probable site of Avalon because
> >   at the time, Glastonbury was strictly an island in the
> >   right region. 
> >                   Nowadays, I think the channel to Glastonbury
> >   is not alwasy filled with water.

U.K. readers may correct me, but I don't think it ever is.  I recall
Glastonbury being quite high and dry, surrounded by a vast expanse of farm
land, miles from any large body of water.

> >                  Also, supposedly, scholars
> >   have found a headpiece reading "here lies King Arthur"
> >   or something of that sort.  (again, I am simply a fanatic
> >   about King Arthur, and not at all certain of my facts.)
> >

The abbey at Glastonbury announced the finding of a pair of skeletons
which they took to be those of Arthur and Guinevere at some point in
the 11th century, I believe, when the abbey desperately needed money.
I think there had been earlier legends connecting Arthur with
Glastonbury but I don't know how prevalent they were.  Mythically
speaking, Arthur did sail to the Isle of Avalon with Morgan le Fey, to
return again at some point in the future.  

> >   Not to mention the fact that I hate to think of WE as Arthurian, although
> >   the allusion works well.

Well, it's hard to know just what the writers intended to do with that
allusion, since it was brought in so abruptly and then dropped.
Unlike many of the other allusions in the list, this was clearly
identified in the script, so something was obviously intended.  When
it first came up, it seemed to me that Cooper tied in more closely
with Lancelot than with Arthur, given the recurring triangles set up
by WE, but if the WE/Arthur parallel bothers you, how about something
like this:

Like King Arthur, Cooper is an idealistic if somewhat unworldly seeker
of justice and honor.  But the forces of evil around him, massed
around a person tied up with a tragic mistake in his past (this will
make WE tie in with Mordred, which you should find less distasteful),
have temporarily overcome him.  The image of Cooper and Annie lying in
the grove after the Red Room scene is an allusion to Arthur and
Guinevere buried in Glastonbury Abbey, but, just as Arthur is waiting
on the Isle of Avalon with Morgan le Fey (Laura Palmer?), Cooper is
waiting in the Black Lodge (or wherever he is--out of Twin Peaks
anyway) for his return "in 25 years".

Since any links between Arthurian legend and Twin Peaks are pretty
undeveloped, you could probably make this interpretation work as well
as just about anything else.  I'm not too attached to it myself, since
it doesn't fit too well with my views of what was happening in the
Lodge scenand prior to that, but t I think it fits in reasonably well
with a number of interpretations I've seen posted.

Barb Miller

   Yes, the record Leland is playing while he dances with Laura's
photograph.  I'd like some more information about this.  Who wrote
it?  Who performed it?  Is it well-known or obscure?  Is the title
a phone number or what?  Does it have any other lines?

In article <1991Oct29.144047.9238@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
> >    Yes, the record Leland is playing while he dances with Laura's
> > photograph.  I'd like some more information about this.  Who wrote
> > it?  Who performed it?  Is it well-known or obscure?  Is the title
> > a phone number or what?  Does it have any other lines?

It is a phone number. The song is one of the classic performances by
Glenn Miller's band. I don't remember now the composer (I can look it up), 
but the line of the story, as I remember it, is that the singer has just got 
his girlfriend's phone number.

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In article <1991Oct29.144047.9238@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
> >   Yes, the record Leland is playing while he dances with Laura's
> >photograph.  I'd like some more information about this.  Who wrote
> >it?  Who performed it?  Is it well-known or obscure?  Is the title
> >a phone number or what?  Does it have any other lines?

One of Glenn Miller's band's bigger hits.  It goes like this:
music
music
music, and then the band yells
"Pennsylvania 65 thousand"
music
music
music, and the band yells
"Pennsylvania 65 o o o"
and so on.

I don't know who wrote it.  Yes, it's a phone number.

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A big thanks to everyone who responded to my request for directions to the
"Welcome to Twin Peaks" sign locality. I'm sure I've got enough info to
find it now. You're a damn fine bunch of news readers. Thanks again.

Jim

/ hpopd:alt.tv.twin-peaks / kwh@CS.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann) /  8:40 pm  Oct 28, 1991 /

> >...
> >Sorry, but I'm a twit.  I just gotta do these things sometimes.
> >
> >Kevinganger!  

Wow! Another American wipes the floor with me over my use of English.

Richard

Here's the latest update lists for TWIN PEAKS OEUVRE. I've decided to
get a head start on _Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me_, and have added
KIEFER SUTHERLAND, HARRY DEAN STANTON, CHRIS ISSAK and DAVID BOWIE
to the lists. If you can recall any work done by these actors that
isn't in the list below, please drop me a line. As always, if
you have any additions, corrections or comments, please mail me at
dcoufal@athena.mit.edu.

The fully updated version of these lists are available at the ftp
site in "audrey.sait.edu.au".

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Below, I've listed all the recent additions/revisions to the lists,
so everyone can easily note changes that have been made.

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Actors List Update:

Abercrombie, IanKeefer (TV) (16 Mar 78)
MOONLIGHTING: "Poltergeist III---DiPesto
Nothing" (13 Jan 87)

Amick, MadchenFor the Very First Time (TV) (22 Apr 91)

Anderson, Michael J.Under the Rainbow (1981)

Applegate, Royce D."Attack on Terror: The FBI versus the Ku Klux
Klan" (mini) (20-21 Feb 75)
Brenda Starr (TV) (8 May 76)
"Centennial" (mini) (Oct 78 - Feb 79)
Gladiator (TV) (3 Feb 86)
Hot Rod (TV) (25 May 79)
Outside Chance (TV) (2 Dec 78)

Bay, FrancisAttic, The (1979)

Beymer, RichardGeneration (TV) (24 May 85)
MOONLIGHTING: "All Creatures Great and ...
Not So Great" (11 Nov 86)

Booth, JamesMurder in Peyton Place (TV) (3 Oct 77)

Bowie, DavidAbsolute Beginners (1986)
                        David Bowie - Glass Spider (1988)
                    David Bowie - Serious Moonlight (1984)
Hunger, The (1983)
Into the Night (1985)
Just a Gigolo (1978)
Labyrinth (1986)
Last Temptation of Christ, The (1988)
Man Who Fell to Earth, The (1976)
Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence (1983)
UHF (1989)
Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars (1982)

Calfa, Don"Blue Knight, The" (mini) (13-16 Nov 73)
Comedy Company, The (TV) (21 Jul 78)
Shooting Stars (TV) (28 Jul 83)
Steel Cowboy (TV) (6 Dec 78)

Chen, JoanWedlock (TV) (Oct 91)

Dano, RoyalDonner Pass: The Road to Survival (TV)
(24 Oct 78)
Huckleberry Finn (TV) (25 Mar 78)
Manhunter, The (TV) (3 Apr 76)
Murder in Peyton Place (TV) (3 Oct 77)
Run, Simon, Run (TV) (1 Dec 70)
Strangers: The Story of a Mother and a
Daughter (TV) (13 May 79)

Ferrer, MiguelBADLANDS 2005: "Brides of Lizard Gulch"
(TV pilot) (29 Aug 88)
"Kung Fu: The Next Generation" (TV pilot)
(19 Jun 87)
MAGNUM, P. I.: [episode unknown]

Frost. WarrenMatlock: Anatomy of a Murder (TV) (Oct 91)

Graham, HeatherGuilty as Charged

Issak, Chris            Silence of the Lambs (1991)
                        Something Wild (1986)

Jay, TonyMURPHY BROWN: [title unknown] (13 May 91)

Kelly, David PatrickMOONLIGHTING: "Somewhere Under the Rainbow"
(Nov 85)

Laurie, PiperFried Green Tomatoes at the Whistle
Stop Cafe (1991)
Rainbow (TV) (6 Nov 78)
Storyville (in post production 1991)

Lipton, PeggyAddicted to His Love (TV) (1988)
Return of Mod Squad, The (TV) (18 May 79)
True Identity

Lively, RobynCrazy from the Heart (TV)
Summer of My German Soldier (TV)

MacLachlan, KyleRich in Love (in production 1991)

McGill, EverettThe People Under the Stairs (1991)

Mulkey, ChrisK-9000 (TV) [originally produced in 1989;
released on home video in the UK
in 1990; broadcast on US television
on 1 Jul 91)
MURDER, SHE WROTE: [episode unknown]

O'Herlihy, DanDark Mansions (TV) (23 Jul 86)

O'Herlihy, GavanCalifornia Kid, The (TV) (25 Sep 74)
Death in Caanan, A (TV) (1 Mar 78)
"Rich Man, Poor Man--Book I" (mini)
(1 Feb - 15 Mar 76)

Olkewicz, WalterRIPTIDE: [episode unknown]

Parks, MichaelEscape from Bogen County (TV) (7 Oct 77)
Fast Friends (TV) (19 Mar 79)
Hunters of the Reef (TV) (20 May 78)
Murder at the World Series (TV) (20 Mar 77)
Perilous Voyage (TV) (29 Jul 76)
Rainbow (TV) (6 Nov 78)
Story of Pretty Boy Floyd, The (TV) (7 May 74)
Stranger on the Run (TV) (31 Oct 67)
WAR OF THE WORLDS: "My Soul to Keep"
(29 Apr 89)

Robie, WendyThe People Under the Stairs (1991)

Stansfield, ClaireFLASH, THE: "Alpha" (11 May 91)

Stanton, Harry Dean92 in the Shade (1975)
Alien (1979)
Black Marble, The (1980)
Christine (1983)
Cisco Pike (1971)
Cockfighter (1974)
Cool Hand Luke (1967)
Cry for Me, Billy
Deathwatch (1980)
Dillinger (1973)
Dream a Little Dream (1989)
Escape from New York (1981)
                        FAERIE TALE THEATRE: "Rip Van Winkle" (1985)
Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Flatbed Annie & Sweetiepie: Lady Truckers
(TV) (1979)
Fool for Love (1986)
Fourth War, The (1990)
Godfather, Part II, The (1974)
Hostage, The (1967)
I Want to Live (1983) (TV)
Intruders, The (TV)
Kelly's Heroes (1970)
Last Temptation of Christ, The (1988)
Missouri Breaks, The (1976)
Motion & Emotion 
Mr. North (1988)
Oldest Living Graduate, The (TV) (1983)
One from the Heart (1982)
One Magic Christmas (1985)
Paris, Texas (1984)
Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid (1973)
Pretty in Pink (1986)
Private Benjamin (1980)
Proud Rebel, The (1958)
Rafferty and the Gold Dust Twins (1975)
Rancho Deluxe (1974)
Rebel Rousers (1967)
Red Dawn (1984)
Repo Man (1984)
Ride in the Whirlwind (1965)
Rose, The (1979)
Slamdance (1987)
Stars and Bars (1988)
Straight Time (1978)
                        Twister (1988)
Two-Lane Blacktop (1971)
UFOria (1984)
Where the Lilies Bloom
Wild at Heart (1990)
Wise Blood (1979)
Young Doctors in Love (1982)
Zandy's Bride (1974)

Stewart, CharlotteImposter, The (TV) (18 Mar 75)
Murder in Peyton Place (TV) (3 Oct 77)
Secrets (TV) (20 Feb 77)

Sutherland, Kiefer1969 (1988)
Bay Boy, The (1985)
Bright Lights, Big City (1988)
Brotherhood of Justice (TV)
Chicago Joe and the Showgirl (1990)
Crazy Moon (1986)
Flashback (1990)
Flatliners (1990)
Killing Time, The (1987)
Lost Boys, The (1987)
Max Dugan Returns (1983)
Promised Land (1988)
Renegades (1989)
Stand by Me (1986)
Trapped in Silence (TV)
Young Guns (1988)
Young Guns II (1990)

Tamblyn, RussB.O.R.N. (1989)

Taylor, RonL.A. LAW: "On the Toad Again" (9 May 91)

Von Dohlen, LennyABC AFTERSCHOOL SPECIAL: "Don't Touch"
(6 Nov 85)
FLASH, THE: "Twin Streaks" (13 Apr 91)

Warner, DavidMURDER, SHE WROTE: "The Szechuan Dragon"

Welsh, Kenneth"Empire, Inc." (mini) [Made for Canadian
television]
"Love and Hate: A Marriage Made in Hell" (mini)
(1989) [a.k.a. "Love and Hate: The
Story of Colin and Joanne Thatcher"]

Wilhoite, KathleenBrenda Starr (1989)
"Goodbye Charlie" (TV pilot) (4 Jun 85)

Williams, Clarence IIIReturn of Mod Squad, The (TV) (18 May 79)

Wise, RayCondor (TV) (10 Aug 86)
Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders II, The

Worden, HankBlack Noon (TV) (5 Nov 71)
Sky Heist (TV) (26 May 75)


Writers List Update:

Engels, RobertWISEGUY: "His Master's Voice" (7 Mar 90)
WISEGUY: "Let Them Eat Cake" (21 Mar 90)
WISEGUY: "Sanctuary" (11 Apr 90)
WISEGUY: "Brrump-Bump" (18 Apr 90)

Frost, MarkEQUILIZER, THE: "Wash-Up" (1986)
EQUILIZER, THE: "No Conscience" (1986)
HILL STREET BLUES: "Death by Kiki" (3 Nov 83)
HILL STREET BLUES: "Midway to What?" (1 Dec 83)
HILL STREET BLUES: "Honk if You're a Goose"
(8 Dec 83)
HILL STREET BLUES: "Ratman and Bobbin"
(12 Jan 84)
HILL STREET BLUES: "Fuchs Me? Fuchs you!"
(26 Jan 84)
HILL STREET BLUES: "The End of Logan's Run"
(1 Mar 84)


Directors List Update:

Gyllenhaal, StephenParis Trout (TV) (20 Apr 91)

Keaton, DianeCHINA BEACH: "Fever" (3 Nov 90)

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as I feared, your address (BP Schroeder) is quite invalid.  Can you
please send to me an address, to which I may E-Mail you with a few
questions.  Thanks.

alt.tv.twin.peaks may now resume its regular conversation.
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I CAN'T STAND KIEFER SUTHERLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


-mike

U40643@uicvm.uic.edu (Ty Warner) writes:

> > In article <gLcaaB3w164w@whitebase.ukp.com>, salmieri@whitebase.ukp.com (Greg
> > Salmieri) says:
>> > >I think when she puts her hand on her nose it means Cocaine.
> > 
> > I think when she puts her finger on the side of her nose it is the secret
> > sign of the bookhouse boys. Remember?

Was that the nose? I thought they used the farhead. If it does mean the 
Bookhouse boys, what was her connection to them?

In article <BARB.91Oct28214445@chamarti.ai.mit.edu>, barb@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Barb Miller) writes:
[deletions]
>> > >                   Nowadays, I think the channel to Glastonbury
>> > >   is not alwasy filled with water.
> > 
> > U.K. readers may correct me, but I don't think it ever is.  I recall
> > Glastonbury being quite high and dry, surrounded by a vast expanse of farm
> > land, miles from any large body of water.
> > 

In earlier days, the hill it is on was surrounded by swamps, et cetera.  The water has been subsequently drained and the area turned into farm land so that it is as you state.

>> > >                  Also, supposedly, scholars
>> > >   have found a headpiece reading "here lies King Arthur"
>> > >   or something of that sort.  (again, I am simply a fanatic
>> > >   about King Arthur, and not at all certain of my facts.)
>> > >
> > 
> > The abbey at Glastonbury announced the finding of a pair of skeletons
> > which they took to be those of Arthur and Guinevere at some point in
> > the 11th century, I believe, when the abbey desperately needed money.

Correct.  As you point out, just like the bogus relics of Christ and the Saints (e.g. enough pieces of the true cross to build a cathedral), there is plenty of reason to be skeptical when money is to be made off pilgrims.
 
> > Barb Miller

-Rich Haller

kwh@CS.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann) writes:
[Writes an article, the sole purpose of which was to correct grammar &
 word usage errors].
> >Sorry, but I'm a twit.  I just gotta do these things sometimes.

Of course, if you'd read the net etiquette rules, you wouldn't.
Most of us don't read this group to see people ostentatiously
correcting other people's English.

--
bvickers@ics.uci.edu | "Only a large-scale popular movement toward
brett@ucippro.bitnet |  decentralization and self-help can arrest the
                     |  present tendency toward statism." - Aldous Huxley

How does one ftp to audrey?  What user are we?

In article <1991Oct29.090325.50142@cc.usu.edu> slwsg@cc.usu.edu writes:
   It is a phone number. The song is one of the classic performances by
   Glenn Miller's band. I don't remember now the composer (I can look it up), 
 ^^^^^^^^
Sigman/Gray, I guess.

//vesa

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