Season 2, Episodes 21–22: Miss Twin Peaks / Beyond Life and Death — June 10, 1991–August 27, 1992

In article <B4soPB6w165w@zitt> zitt!joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt) writes:
> >Jimmy Scott (the singer of "Sycamore Trees" in the Red Room) apparently
> >simgs backup vocals on Lou Reed's new "Magic and Loss"(?) live video.

... which reminds me of a question: Upon listening to "Sycamore Trees"
on the TP:FWWM soundtrack, I just can't make myself believe that the
singer is anything but female!  Is this "Jimmy" a woman, or does he
just have an alto voice?

     << Brian >>

-- _/_/_/ Brian Kendig Macintosh Jedi Live never to be ashamed _/_/ Starfleet Captain Oracle Employee if anything you do or say _/ Intrepid Adventurer Saturn SL2 Owner is published around the world bskendig@netcom.com Twin Peaks Junkie -- even if what is published Princeton '92! BSE/CS Writer/Actor/Singer is not true.

From the August 21 issue of Entertainment Weekly, "News & Notes" column:

'Peaks' Preview

David Lynch's film prequel to his hit television series could smash and burn

by Jeffrey Wells

Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the woods, a full 14 months
after ABC pulled the plug on "Twin Peaks," David Lynch's film prequel hits 600
to 700 theaters on Aug. 28. While the director's $9.5 million "Twin Peaks:
Fire Walk With Me," about Laura Palmer's last seven days, might well pull in
good crowds during its opening week--the TV "Peaks" counted up to 10 million
hard-core fans, after all--the international reaction has been so wildly mixed
it has created doubts about Lynch's future as a visionary genius.

Despite a smattering of applause, "Fire" opened largely to boos and actual
nausea at the Cannes Film Festival, a response attributable to the bloody,
sadomasochistic murder scene between father and daughter in the film's finale.
Some viewers reportedly couldn't eat their post-screening dinners because of
the trauma (though cuts have since been made to secure it an R rating). The
Cannes buzz was not only that the film was a disaster but that Lynch had hit
creative bottom. The movie, wrote Variety's critic, "feels like Lynch treading
water." Elsewhere in France, even though Lynch has held cult status because of
1986's "Blue Velvet" and 1990's "Wild at Heart," the series didn't do well and
the movie went bust.

Yet "Fire" is a huge hit in Japan, luring overflow crowds since opening last
May, during the festival. A factor: Both Lynch and "Twin Peaks" have been
ragingly popular there since the series came out on video, laserdisc, and pay
cable last year, although it has never been aired on regular Japanese TV.

So where does that leave "Peak's" prospects in America? No one will know until
Aug. 28, because the distributor, New Line Cinema, isn't showing it to U.S.
critics. The company's marketing president says, not altogether convincingly,
that reviews won't matter. "The interest is definitely out there," insists
Sandra Ruch, citing an extra-large print order for "Fire" posters from theater
owners for sales to fans. A reported increase in mail-order receipts for
"Peaks" merchandise like books and VHS tapes from Twin Peaks Press in
Vancouver, Wash., would also suggest that the country is still high on the
director. "The fans are going to go, regardless," Ruch says. "They may hate
it when they see it, but they're not going to not go to it."

There is some fear that the recognition factor may be weakened because many of
the series' most familiar figures (Sherilyn Fenn, Lara Flynn Boyle, Joan Chen)
didn't take the leap from small screen to large. But others did, including
Sheryl Lee (Laura Palmer), Ray Wise (her wacko dad, Leland), Kyle MacLachlan
(Agent Dale Cooper), Catherine Coulson (the Log Lady), and vocalist Julee
Cruise, along with the music of Angelo Badalamenti. And there will be ample
doses of typical Lynchian fare on hand: nudity, violence, debauchery--the big
three. "I hope we don't get creamed on the political side," says "Fire"
screenwriter Robert Engels. "This is not a safe movie."

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"That's not a bad neighborhood." | RATIONAL
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I was just leafing through an old computer magazine (December 1991) when I
saw a mention of a program for a PC called "tpq.exe" which when run produces
a random twin-peaks quote (365 quotes in all). The article author says he got
it from the twin_peaks conference on CIX (I don't know what this is).
Has anyone got this program? I'd love to add it to my autoexec.bat. Perhaps
it could be put on the audrey ftp site for anonymous ftp.

Charles Willoughby
Chemistry Dept
University College London
UK

  Do you know when the movie is supposed to come out in other locations, like Portla :
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  Portland, Or?  I'd love to see it, but I have this (unwarranted?) fear
  that it won't come out here, or anywhere near here...

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In article <4196@3cpu.rain.com> reaper@3cpu.rain.com (Ian Johnston) writes:
> >
> >  Do you know when the movie is supposed to come out in other locations, like 
> >  Portland, Or?  I'd love to see it, but I have this (unwarranted?) fear
> >  that it won't come out here, or anywhere near here...

It's scheduled for August 28 for North America.  It was only shown
once in Snoqualmie, a special premiere on the 16th with the director
and actors (much to the dismay of the 50 people who didn't get in,
many of whom came from across country or Japan).  I assume it will
come back for real on the 28th there too.

-S. Schultz

In article <1992Aug18.052750.9500@unixg.ubc.ca> schultz@unixg.ubc.ca (Stewart Schultz) writes:
> >Saw the movie on Sunday (the 16th) in Snoqualmie 

.........Not to try and upstage anybody or anything ........not only was I the
last person seated in the theatre in FRONT OF the cast BUT I got to touch the
log lady's log :-)

I'm excited about seeing the movie again although even as a diehard TP fan I
found the movie a little short on surprises.
                               Shona (from Mary's account)

In article <!v0m09a.bskendig@netcom.com>, bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig)
 ays:

> >In article <B4soPB6w165w@zitt> zitt!joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt)
 writes:
> >on the TP:FWWM soundtrack, I just can't make myself believe that the
> >singer is anything but female!  Is this "Jimmy" a woman, or does he
> >just have an alto voice?

He just has an alto voice.  They interviewed him a few weeks back on NPR's
"All Things Considered."  His voice sounded very female to me when he talked,
let alone sang.  If they hadn't kept using the masculine pronoun when talking
about his career, I still wouldn't have known.  All I can remember about the
interview, really, was that he was singing with "the greats" before they
became as great, and was a little hurt by it.  Don't know why they
interviewed him; perhaps he has a new album out?  No mention of Twin Peaks...

boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place) writes:

> > In article <1992Aug17.225750.11961@ucc.su.OZ.AU>,  () writes...
> > 
> > } What I cannot figure out is the references to the 14 cassettes of the
> > } series being available in Japan. At 3 episodes per video, that's 42
> > } episodes.
> > 
> > Which suggests that each Japanese cassette contains only two episodes.
> > Keep in mind that because of the different scan rates between NTSC
> > (which is used in the US and Japan) and PAL (the UK and Oz), you can
> > pack a little more onto the same length of tape in PAL than you can in
> > NTSC.
> > 
> > The Japanese laserdisc boxed set is a 15-disc set with two episodes per
> > disc.
> > 
> > } How many were in the complete series, anyway? And.... I am confused as
> > } to how many episodes make up an American TV series. 6? 13?
> > 
> > There's no standard number of episodes that make up an American "series"
> > (or "season", as we call them). It depends on when during the year the
> > series starts, how well it does in the ratings, etc. A season can run
> > 6 episodes or 13 or 22 or anything in between. To answer both of your
> > questions at once, the original American run of TWIN PEAKS is as follows:
> > 
> > 1st Season: 1 two-hour pilot + 7 1-hour episodes
> > 2nd Season: 1 two-hour episode (season premiere) + 21 1-hour episodes
> > 
> > (In the US, however, the last two episodes were shown combined as a
> > 2-hour "movie".)
> > 
> > Total: 30 hours worth, not including the pilot, which is not released
> > along with the other episodes on video because the rights to it are
> > held by a different company.
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > "She's my radiation baby.
> >  She's my teenage fallout girl."
> > 
> > --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)
> > 
> >     boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com

The Twin Peaks pilot (with extra footage) is available on video. It has 
been out for months at rental price and has just recently been dropped 
down to a more reasonable price (a local store had it on sale for 
$16.99.) I believe that the average run for an American TV season is 26 
episodes. I believe my throat hurts.

..........
Robert Oliver, tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com
via Ailanthus Project +1 207-989-6562 - Brewer, Maine.
..........

In article <1992Aug17.225750.11961@ucc.su.OZ.AU>,  writes:
> > 
> > TP videos seem to be fairly widely available in Aus. I have seen Twin Peaks
> > I, TP II, and TP III. Each is a double video with 6 episodes in the pack.
> > What I cannot figure out is the references to the 14 cassettes of the series
> > being available in Japan. At 3 episodes per video, that's 42 episodes. How
> > many were in the complete series, anyway? And.... I am confused as to how
> > many episodes make up an American TV series. 6? 13?

There are 15 cassettes available now in Japan. ( the movie FWWM version will be 
released in Nov. ) Each tape is a 120min tape.

tape #0     : 1st episode combined with some extra scenes
              ( I heard it was edited to be released as a promotion tape. (?)
                It reveals too many secretes hidden inside the succeeding
                episodes.  I'm glad I didn't see it until I finished all other
                tapes. )
                
tape #1     : episodes 2, 3 and 4
tape #2-#14 : 2 episodes per tape ( 5 - 30 )
              ( tape #14 includes a short video clip from Kyle's press 
                conference and his days in Tokyo )

The Japanese version of the series numbering starts from episode 2, i.e the
episode 2 is referred as story #1. ( so, I use the term "story # zero" for the
episode 1 )

                                                                     Erika

Acquired this today. I'll know more what to think when the movie comes 
out and I can see the scenes in context with the music, but overall, if 
the music is any indication of what's coming in the movie, I'm expecting 
it to be pretty disturbing... tracks like "Sycamore Trees," "The Pink 
Room," "The Black Dog Runs At Night," and "Moving Through Time" 
definitely have �a dark edge to them, and the "Montage From Twin Peaks," 
if that's verbatim what we'll have in the movie - it sounds like some 
really violent scene that ends depressingly. Maybe the murder scene, or 
the finalequence in the Black Lodge with Cooper and Laura? 
 
By the way, to those who have seen the film - is there a final ending to 
everything? Or is there still a question as to what FINALLY happens with 
CooBOBper? Or do I just get to wait until the 28th?

Heh, I'm new to unix... couldn't figure out how to exit the editor....

In article <2174@pcgw.sm.sony.co.jp>, misaki@sm.sony.co.jp (Erika Misaki) writes...

} The Japanese version of the series numbering starts from episode 2, i.e
} the episode 2 is referred as story #1. ( so, I use the term "story # zero"
} for the episode 1 )

This is the *standard* numbering scheme, not just the one used in Japan.
The episodes were never titled, but each script bore the title "Episode #n".
The first hour-long episode was title "Episode #1", which therefore leads
one to believe that Lynch/Frost Productions *themselves* thought of the
pilot film as "Episode #0".

-- "She's my radiation baby. She's my teenage fallout girl." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com

In article <q9gqPB2w164w@ailanth.UUCP>, tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert Oliver) writes...

} boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place) writes:

}} Total: 30 hours worth, not including the pilot, which is not released
}} along with the other episodes on video because the rights to it are
}} held by a different company.

} The Twin Peaks pilot (with extra footage) is available on video. It has 
} been out for months at rental price and has just recently been dropped 
} down to a more reasonable price (a local store had it on sale for $16.99.)

I never said that the pilot was not released on video. I said that it was
not released with the other episodes on video.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Worldvision Home Video released the tape of the series episodes. But they
didn't release the pilot, because the rights to the pilot are held by
Warner Home Video. Warner's release of the feature version of the pilot
was entirely separate from Worldvision's release of the other first season
episodes.

} I believe that the average run for an American TV season is 26 episodes.

The standard full season for an American TV series is 22 episodes. But
so few series actually have that number of episodes per season, for any
number of reasons, that it's essentially a meaningless figure.

-- "She's my radiation baby. She's my teenage fallout girl." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com

Thanks for not putting a god-damn spoiler on it.  I wanted to know nothing
about the movie, but you've ruined it.

In article <1992Aug19.151740.10456@macc.wisc.edu> heim@vms.macc.wisc.edu (JOHN HEIM) writes:

> > They showed some kid talking to a character who I believe they called 
> > 'The Log Lady'.

Everyone was so mystified by the character of the Log Lady.
I think her raison d'etre is obvious.
She obviously ordered her Log from Blamm-O[tm],
and has had it since she was a child.


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   The Automatic F Key deeply regrets this post, as usual
} | { } | { } | { } | { } | { } | { } | { } | { } | { } | { } | { } | { } | {

A local video store (in Ottawa Canada) had a TP boxed set with
ONE episode per tape ! I opened up one and sure enough the tape
length is 48 minutes ! Who was the idiot who dreamed this up ??!!
Has anyone seen this in the US since I'm sure its made in the US.

What boxed sets are available in the US ? How many episodes per tape ?
Incidentally, this set had episodes #2-#7 which I thought was odd until
I read the postings about the episode numbering.


cheers,


Shiv

In article <1992Aug19.171659.9286@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:
> > A local video store (in Ottawa Canada) had a TP boxed set with
> > ONE episode per tape ! I opened up one and sure enough the tape
> > length is 48 minutes ! Who was the idiot who dreamed this up ??!!
> > Has anyone seen this in the US since I'm sure its made in the US.
> > 
> > What boxed sets are available in the US ? How many episodes per tape ?
> > Incidentally, this set had episodes #2-#7 which I thought was odd until
> > I read the postings about the episode numbering.

Funny, the boxed set and the individual episode tapes are the only ones I have
ever seen.  I live in New Jersey, and all the video stores sell either the
individual tapes, or the boxed set (very overpriced!)  I never even knew
other tapes existed with multiple episodes each (which is obviously the best 
way to do it!)
Anyway, I felt the effect of this stupid system when I decided to rent and
tape each episode from the video store.  At $2 a rental + tax, it cost me 
around $20 to get the whole first season (incl. the pilot).  Should've taped 
them off of tv when I had the chance.  :(
BTW - I stilleneed to get the second season on tape.  If anyone can help out, 
write back.  I could either pay the costs, etc.  or we could work out a trade.
I have a lot of other things on video...
                                          Tony.

I heard an interview with Jimmy Scott on NPR's "Fresh Air" program with
Terri Gross.

He was pretty popular in the 50's and was frequently mistaken for a woman
by the sound of his voice.  His normal conversational voice is also high-
pitched and could be mistaken.  He said that a common 50's game played by
DJ's was to play one of his records and have a radio contest to decide
"Is it a man or woman singing?".

gandhi3@husc8.harvard.edu (Srinivas Gandhi) writes:


> >I just caught the add for the movie on WWOR-TV.  It
> >looks pretty effective---shots of Laura, Bobby, Dale, the
> >secret diary and LELAND!

> >Has anyone else seen it?  Are there different ads
> >out there, or just one?       

I saw the ad during the convention coverage.  Looks very good.
I was surprised by the "R" rating, from what I had read, it was
going to be NC-17 for the violence.


-- David De Trolio - (detrolio@andromeda.rutgers.edu) __________________________________________________ "We're sailing on the wind of better days"

The incomprehensible Sarge is one of the best things about R&S In The Army.
Most of his lines, I can translate from context, e.g. "Heeebow Pace" --->
"About Face".  But there are two that still give me trouble:

1.Just before Sarge grabs Ren with his tongue, what does he say?

2.When Sarge confronts R&S with his tank after Ren says he "I
know where I'm going in life", what does Sarge say?

Many thanks to anyone who can parse better than I.

Mark Stevans
stevans@resumix.portal.com

 Because I am mortally scared, I'm curious if anyone knows FOR CERTAIN
that "TP:  FWWM" will be released in Canada (specifically, Toronto).
It's not too unusual for some movies to go straight to video in Canada,
unless they are backed by a "big name" studio.  I don't want to have to
drive out to Buffalo just to see a movie...

 Ru
--
Canada Remote Systems  - Toronto, Ontario/Detroit, MI
World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044

In article <1992Aug19.183851.3651@spcvxb.spc.edu>, 4lucignano_a@spcvxb.spc.edu writes:
> > In article <1992Aug19.171659.9286@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:
>> > > What boxed sets are available in the US ? How many episodes per tape ?
>> > > Incidentally, this set had episodes #2-#7 which I thought was odd until
>> > > I read the postings about the episode numbering.
> > 
> > I live in New Jersey, and all the video stores sell either the
> > individual tapes, or the boxed set (very overpriced!)  I never even knew
> > other tapes existed with multiple episodes each (which is obviously the best 
> > way to do it!)

All but the last half dozen or so episodes are available for rental from
video shops in Australia.  The European version of the pilot comes on
a single cassette.  The repisodes come in batches of about 3 hours length
(on two cassettes).  The final episodes are supposed to be released
on video to coincide with the movie release at cinemas.

In article <1992Aug19.171659.9286@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:

}} A local video store (in Ottawa Canada) had a TP boxed set with ONE
}} episode per tape ! I opened up one and sure enough the tape length
}} is 48 minutes ! Who was the idiot who dreamed this up ??!!  Has
}} anyone seen this in the US since I'm sure its made in the US.

Yup, that's the way they were released here.

}} What boxed sets are available in the US ? How many episodes per tape ?

There's just the one set, which are also sold individually.

}} Incidentally, this set had episodes #2-#7 which I thought was odd until
}} I read the postings about the episode numbering.

That should be #1-7.

In article <1992Aug19.183851.3651@spcvxb.spc.edu>, 4lucignano_a@spcvxb.spc.edu writes...

} I live in New Jersey, and all the video stores sell either the
} individual tapes, or the boxed set (very overpriced!)

Overpriced?  $15 per episode/tape?  That's the same price as the STAR
TREK episodes on tape.

} Anyway, I felt the effect of this stupid system when I decided to rent
} and tape each episode from the video store. At $2 a rental + tax, it
} cost me around $20 to get the whole first season (incl. the pilot).

The other effect is that you've just admitted to committing copyright
violation. What you did was no more legal than borrowing the latest
Stephen King novel from the library and making a photocopy of it so
that you wouldn't have to buy your own copy.

-- "She's my radiation baby. She's my teenage fallout girl." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com

From: Summer Storm 
Thanks to the folks who supplied the cast list in response to my 
questions! 

Did anyone see Arresting Behavior with Chris Mulkey (Hank)? He plays 
an overzealous cop a la a young (I imagine) Daryl Gates. His 
character is funny, but the show is one you'd watch for background 
noise. 

Someone requested the following:

Albert: "You listen to me. While I'll admit to a certain cynicism, 
the fact is that I'm a naysayer and hatchet man in the fight against 
violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take 
another because I choose to live my life in the company of Ghandi 
and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely, revenge, 
agression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method is love. 
I love you, Sheriff Truman.

Coop's response: "Albert's path is a strange and difficult one."

Ten more days to FWWM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
              Summer Storm

Anyone catch Dana Ashbrook playing (Warren Beatty playing) Clyde Barrow
in the TV movie "Bonnie and Clyde: The True Story"?  The movie was
extrememly second-rate with a few good moments, but Ashbrook's performance
threw me a little bit.  Almost every one of his mannerisms was a quote
from the original (classic) movie, or from his role as Bobby Briggs.
The general effect is of Bobby and Shelly playing at being movie stars.

Scary.

In Message-ID <1992Aug18.201815.4869@bas-a.bcc.ac.uk> ucca021@ucl.ac.uk,
(Charles Willoughby) asks:

> > I was just leafing through an old computer magazine (December 1991) when I
> > saw a mention of a program for a PC called "tpq.exe" which when run produces
> > a random twin-peaks quote (365 quotes in all). The article author says he got
> > it from the twin_peaks conference on CIX (I don't know what this is).
> > Has anyone got this program? I'd love to add it to my autoexec.bat. Perhaps
> > it could be put on the audrey ftp site for anonymous ftp.

OK, I've put this in /Upload on audrey.levels.unisa.edu.au and mailed
the archive maintainer. It's a uuencoded .zip file, called tpq101.uu
and is 67,897 bytes.

--
Alan Staniforth ** alan_s@cix.compulink.co.uk ** alan@bones.demon.co.uk
'By Grand Central Station, or rather under it, in the Oyster Bar, we sat
 down and wept."  --  Victoria Glendinning

In article <jgp.713657134@zodmate>, jgp@zodmate.Rational.COM (Jim Pellmann) writes:
> >   - On Lynch's behavior on the set: "Not so amusing to some is Lynch's
> >     penchant for using a megaphone on the set--regardless of his distance
> >     from the person he's addressing.  Recalls the anonymous production 
> >     assistant:  'One time he used it while I was standing right next to
> >     him.  I jumped three feet.'"  
> >     
> >     (I can't help but think that this was the impetus for the megaphone
> >     gags in "On the Air".)

It may also have inspired the over amplified persona of Gordon Cole,
played at high gain by Lynch himself.  If that's what he can sound like
_without_ a megaphone...

Robert Perlberg
Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York
{murphy | philabs}!dwrsun4!perl
-- "I am not a language ... I am a free man!"

Well... I went over to my girlfriends this afternoon and we managed to 
catch the commercial on MTV.... and I must say...
I WANT TO SEE THIS MOVIE! :o)
Thank you.

 Dis claimer - not mine. :o) tbuzzeo@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca

Hi, 

can someone tell me if Twin Peaks on video (if possible
al 42 parts and the pilot-film) is available in Germany
or if not, how to get a copy from the U.S.

Any hints appreciated

Thanx in advance

Funky

In article <1992Aug18.122033.7210@engage.pko.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place) writes:
> >
> >1st Season: 1 two-hour pilot + 7 1-hour episodes
> >2nd Season: 1 two-hour episode (season premiere) + 21 1-hour episodes
> >
> >(In the US, however, the last two episodes were shown combined as a
> >2-hour "movie".)
> >
> >Total: 30 hours worth, not including the pilot, which is not released
> >along with the other episodes on video because the rights to it are
> >held by a different company.
> >

Or if you don't get ad's

Series 1: 1 90 minute pilot and 7 45 minute episodes
Series 2: 1 90 minute opener and 21 45 minute episodes

All in all 24 Hr's of Peaks (including the pilot) which fits comfortably
on 4 long play E-240 cassettes.

(Hey Jer, you've been watching 6 hours of ad's !!)

Neil

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Hi,

can someone tell me if Twin Peaks on video (if possible
al 42 parts and the pilot-film) is available in Germany
or if not, how to get a copy from the U.S.

Any hints appreciated

Thanx in advance

Funky


Try it in Virgin Megastores, they usually have it.

   - Oliver

I haven't seen any postings about last weekends doings up in Snoqualmie.
Didn't anyone who reads this newsgroup go?

-Rich Haller

(Note: I have tried to limit distribution of this article to the San Francisco
 Bay Area.  If you don't live there, be warned this applies to San Jose only.)

The "Twin Peaks" prequel movie "Fire Walk With Me" will have a special sneak
preview in San Jose next Thursday (Aug. 27) at the Towne Theater in San Jose.
(It opens its regular run the following day.)

To get tickets to the sneak preview, you must attend a pre-screening party
at Club F/X in San Jose on Wednesday night (Aug. 26):  "The F/X Players will
present a David Lynch-inspired performance entitled 'Agent Cooper's Dream'
at 10 PM.  All movie passes will be given out after the performance on a first
come, first served basis.  Special surprise guests!"

"Agent Cooper's Dream" will also be performed Thursday (Aug. 27) through Sunday
(Aug. 30) at Club F/X at midnight (10 PM early show on Friday).

Free tickets (each admits two) to the pre-screening party (not the sneak
preview) are available on a first come, first served basis at ABCDExchange, a
CD store in San Jose, after 3PM today (Friday, Aug. 21).

ABCDExchange is at 109 E. Santa Clara Street.
Club F/X is at 400 S. First Street.
The Towne Theater is at 1433 The Alameda.

A full-page ad describing the above is on pg. 57 of the new Metro (Aug. 20-26
issue) newspaper.
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In article <rhaller-210892085851@rhaller.cc.uoregon.edu> rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:
> >I haven't seen any postings about last weekends doings up in Snoqualmie.
> >Didn't anyone who reads this newsgroup go?

Yep, I and Shona posted on the festival a couple days ago; should
still be in your spooler.  The cast members were surprisingly friendly
and accessible.  It was quite the scene, mingling with the loonies
on location.

-S. Schultz

A while a go some one mentioned that TP is available in a 15
laser disc set in Japan as well as a twenty-something tape set. Does anyone 
know of a U.S. importer which has either of these, or a place from which I could
mail order them?
I have the boxed set of #1-#7 and am eager to get the rest.


Adrian

P.S.
Is there a TP FAQ. If so, where is it?

The title pretty much says it...Lynch will be on the Tonight Show next 
week (week of August 24-28) to presumably talk about FWWM. Don't know 
the exact day he will appear.

..........
Robert Oliver, tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com
via Ailanthus Project +1 207-989-6562 - Brewer, Maine.
..........

Sheryl Lee was on Arsenio on Friday but I missed it.  Did anyone catch it?
A friend from Canada called me to let me know as it was airing up there
but it had already aired down here.  He let me hear a little over the phone
and she said she is a "butt-woman" and likes blondes and brunettes and would
even date a bald man.

There was a clip with her and Bobby or something like that...

ed

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tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert Oliver) writes:

> >The title pretty much says it...Lynch will be on the Tonight Show next 
> >week (week of August 24-28) to presumably talk about FWWM. Don't know 
> >the exact day he will appear.

Wasn't he on just about a month or so ago?  I taped it then.  I missed
the Sheryl Lee (and Lynch) last night due to distractions.  
 
Interjection: A local station, KXKT, has deemed this weekend (the one
we're in now) as TWIN PEAKS WEEKEND....they're giving away free passes
to an advanced screening of the movie on Thursday.  I'm waiting for the
cue to call!
 
...e
    
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In article <37143@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ww10aac@sdcc3.ucsd.edu
(Eddie the 'ead) writes:
> >
> >Sheryl Lee was on Arsenio on Friday but I missed it.  Did anyone catch it?
> >A friend from Canada called me to let me know as it was airing up there
> >but it had already aired down here.  He let me hear a little over the phone
> >and she said she is a "butt-woman" and likes blondes and brunettes and would
> >even date a bald man.

There will be several taped interviews of the cast on MTV this next
week -- MTV was at the TP festival in Snoqualmie last weekend
interviewing anyone they could get their hands on.  They even
got Lynch giving his intro speech to the movie audience.

-Stewart

I can't believe she's single!!!

A pretty good interview overall, though the clip from the movie wasn't
exactly thrilling. Probably the only scene that didn't have nudity, 
violence, language, etc...

Lee was commenting on how big the series and film are in Japan. The
japanese apparently made an artifical corpse of Laura, wrapped it in  
plastic, put it in a coffin and had a real memorial ceremony.
Arsenio remarked, "They need to get some hobbies." 

-
Bart "Webb" Tilney|   "All of life is a blur 
Email: htilney@vax.clarku.edu|    of Republicans and meat!"

Twin Peaks just ain't the same unless you're watching it with somebody
with whom you can discuss all of its finer points.  :) I suspect the
new movie "Fire Walk With Me", due to open next Friday, won't be any
different!

It struck me that this would be a neat time to pull together complete
strangers with a common interest and see what happens.  Whaddaya say
we try to get together some die-hard Twin Peaks fans from the bay
area, go grab a bite to eat next Friday night or Saturday night, then
go see the movie, and find some place afterwards for dessert and
discussion?  :)

Send me email if you think you'd be interested so I can get an idea of
what this would entail.  In the worst case, either nobody'll be
interested, or else we'll have far too many people interested; we'll
deal with that if it happens.  Ideally we might get, say, 20 people
together for this.

The variables are time and location.  I'd suggest seeing it at the
Fashion Island Mall in Foster City (San Mateo) on Friday night, at a
showing that starts sometime between 7pm and 10pm, because that's
opening night and the theater's close to me.  We'd have to get there
early for dinner so somebody can stand in line to buy the tickets (I
don't think it's possible to reserve tickets).

In your email to me, mention where you're coming from -- if the
majority of people are coming from the south end of the bay, we could
find a theater down there, for example.

This is kind of a wild idea, but there's nothing to lose by suggesting
it.  :)  I hope something comes of this; I don't know what's going to
happen!

     << Brian >>

-- _/_/_/ Brian Kendig Macintosh Jedi Live never to be ashamed _/_/ Starfleet Captain Oracle Employee if anything you do or say _/ Intrepid Adventurer Saturn SL2 Owner is published around the world bskendig@netcom.com Twin Peaks Junkie -- even if what is published Princeton '92! BSE/CS Writer/Actor/Singer is not true.

Is there a mailing-list which will e-mail these articles
directly to my address?

My site does not subscribe to the alt. groups, and, as you
know, there is no substitute for alt.tv.twin-peaks!
(I'm posting this through a fair amount of fanagling/telnetting)

If there is a mailing-list, please respond to me e-mail, at:
kosts@calvin.edu

Thanks for your consideration.

============
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Calvin Video Productions
Grand Rapids, MI  49546
kosts@calvin.edu
72020.3342 (compuserve)

In article <1992Aug21.220248.13073@cs.wm.edu>, adrian@cs.wm.edu (Adrian T. Filipi) writes...

} A while a go some one mentioned that TP is available in a 15 laser disc
} set in Japan as well as a twenty-something tape set. Does anyone know
} of a U.S. importer which has either of these, or a place from which I
} could mail order them?

Well,
yesterday I went and saw FWWM. German dubbed (hrgh..). But I just
couldn't wait to get hold of a to-be-released LD... The theatre they
shown it in was very small (how I hate this small-screen things),
_very few_ ppl. in it (though FWWM just started here). Estimation
approx. 30 ppl. Mostly dumbness stricken crowd (i.e. laughed (!) at
completely wrong places), that probably mistook TP for Dallas when it was
shown on German TV. 'bout 4-7 Peakers (apart from us both). German dubbing
*sucks*, especially on James. Gives him completely different "image"
that his own voice/way of speaking. Shucks !

Sofar for the setting.

Now we cometh to the movie. (if you hate spoilers, now is the chance of
pressing "n".



So - overall I liked it. Gave me a feeling of the potential, that is still
in all these TP storylines. Made me even more hunger for more TP series
stuff.

135 mins is just *too short* for TP like story-telling.

Obviously the movie has been cut -- apart from a few bare breasts (of 
Laura and (the new) Donna) the level of sex/violence ist just about the same
as in the TV series. Like when Bobby kills the cocain-guy, only for a very
split second you get to see his smashed brains. They had the same kind of
thing in the series as well. Also the hyped-about Laura-killing scene
seemed to me less violent (or on about the same level) as Maddy's killing.

Biggest disappointment to me was Moira Kelly (sp?) as Donna. Well - they tried
to make her "look very much like" the _real_ Donna. But her gestures and
such are just so different from Lara Fynn's (sp?). I would've liked it
better, had they taken an actor, that looked completely different (like - even
a blonde one), if this actress had been kept "in spirit" with Donna.

more disappointments: Lynch put in a whole bunch of the TP actors, just to make
the movie TP-ish: Norma, Shelly, the Log Lady -- we all see them for a few
seconds/ half a minute most. They add nothing to the movie's plot, just
clutter up the list of actors and leave you with the hollow feeling, that
Mr.Lynch either shouldn't have put them in or given them a chance to 
act meaningful. Like Shelly's only task is to load the "meals" into Laura's
"wheels". Well no ... we see her getting shown the art of floor scrubbing
by Leo. And Norma: the only two seconds (well-- maybe ten) of her is to
_order_ Shelly to put the meals into Laura's van.

To me this has too much the smell of rip-offing.

more disappointments: Kyle MacLachlan: totally colorless.

Storyline: The death of Teresa Banks: gives a few new insights and 
question marks. Has potential for further development along the
"owls" line. Is a bit lost in the movie though. I very much like
Kiefer Sutherlands part in it though.  Lynch could have elaborated
on that first part of the movie and made it into another 2hr movie.
(As other ppl. allready sad: Bowie just turns up, so that they can
put him on the list of actors. Talks a bit about the "convenience store"
and that he visited "them" there). But this TB part has some very
Lynchian pictures to it. 

The last sven days of LP: Great ! I love it. Now we get to see the _real_
Laura. These roughle 1.5 hrs give completely new angles to Laura Palmer.
OK -- we all knew that she had "secrets", but during the series the
"calm, lovely" homecoming queen was the emphasize put on Laura. It is
one thing to know she was taking cocain, working/thrown out at One Eyed
"sexualy active" and such, but actually seeing it makes a difference.
(could ponder more on that, but should be trying to be brief)

In FWWM you get to see more of the TP town (roads, neighbourhoods
and such). Now _that_ was weird to me.

I could go on and on, but all I wanted was to summarize my impressions.
Definetely worth watching FWWM, fits nicely into TP spirit, in spite
of its obvious weaknesses.

I can see the sicussions rolling along in a.t.t again, after America 
had the chance to see it.

Qs:
1. we may again try to work out the relationsship between
   Teresa Banks / Ronnette Poulaski / Laura Palmer

   Once, Leland asks Teresa to "bring along her girlfriends"
   next time, for more fun. Leland then arrives and sees
   Laura/Ronette waiting for him in Teresa's trailer.

   Obviously, there is the "Fleshworld" connection. But how in hell
   did Laura and Ronette wind up in the vicinity of Prtland/Oregon

2. From the series, the Palmer's lead a "normal" family life.
   At least it seemed to me. In FWWM the Palmer family
   is quite disturbed. Is it me or is it Lynch ???

I'll come up with more Qs, after more of you have seen FWWM.

cheers for now

Wiljo
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> > many were in the complete series, anyway? And.... I am confused as to how
> > many episodes make up an American TV series. 6? 13?

US TV doesn't work that way, it goes by seasons, typicly a season runs from 
fall to spring with reruns on all summer, but some shows start late or end 
early. TP had two seasons. The first started lat and had abt. 7 episodes and 
the second had abt 21.

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In the local paper today for FWWM...
It looks like the old heart locket with a picture of Laura in it.. The 
other half or the part where the locket is broken is in flame and below 
it one can see the infamous zig-zagged carpet... the text however... is 
fairly plain.

 Dis claimer - not mine. :o) tbuzzeo@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca

 Could someone either post or send me the full verse/saying which ends with
 "Fire, walk with me"?
  
  georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca

Alright... Music Trivia time.

Where did you all hear the tune _The Pink Room_ before?














Yes that's right! Bobby put it on the jukebox in the very first episode.
Remember... "I'll see you in my dreams, Norma Jennings!"

"Not if I see you first!"

Rent the Euroflick if you don'believe me ;-)

Mike (under the sycamore trees....)

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I have a fondness for big hair, and the industrial strength heavy-duty 
environment-mangling aerosol hair spray that creates it. 

Laura LeMay
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Having heard that the US release date for the film is August 28, I'm starting
to get a little worried. Does anyone out there know the release date for the
UK? So far I haven't seen *any* hype about the film here at all, no trailers,
no articles, nothing. And will it get a large mainstream distribution or will
it only show at selected arthouse cinemas?

Please, if anyone knows the answers, I'd very much like to know!

Mike

PS Email is preferred to posting.

In article <1992Aug19.093909.25163@engage.pko.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (TLMFAP) writes:

> >The episodes were never titled, but each script bore the title "Episode #n".
> >The first hour-long episode was title "Episode #1", which therefore leads
> >one to believe that Lynch/Frost Productions *themselves* thought of the
> >pilot film as "Episode #0".


Never titled. That's sad, 'coz you have to talk 'bout scenes in "Episode X,
Season Y". 
Item, here in Europe, (at least the german speaking part), we had the plea-
sure to get entitled episodes. They were as follows:

 0. (1000)  Pilotfilm
 1. (1001)  Spuren ins Nichts   (Traces to nowhere)
 2. (1002)  ZEN - oder die Kunst,
    einen Moerder zu fassen  (ZEN - or the skill to catch a killer)
 3. (1003)  Ruhe in Unfrieden (Rest in pain)
 4. (1004)  Der Einarmige (The one-armed man)
 5. (1005)  Cooper's Traeume   (Coopers dreams)
 6. (1006)  Zeit des Erkennens   (Realisation time)
 7. (1007)  Der letzte Abend   (The last evening)
 8. (2001)  Der Riese sei mit Dir (May the giant be with you)
 9. (2002)  Koma (Coma)
10. (2003)  Der Mann hinter Glas (The man behind glass)
11. (2004)  Laura's geheimes Tagebuch  (Lauras secret diary)
12. (2005)  Der Fluch der Orchideen (The orchids curse)
13. (2006)  Daemonen   (Demons)
14. (2007)  Einsame Seelen   (Lonely souls)
15. (2008)  Spazierfahrt mit einer Toten (Drive with a dead girl)
16. (2009)  Selbstjustiz (Arbitrary law)
17. (2010)  Bruderzwist (Dispute between brothers)
18. (2011)  Maskenball (Masked ball)
19. (2012)  Die schwarze Witwe (The black widow)
20. (2013)  Schachmatt (Checkmate)
21. (2014)  Doppelspiel (Doubleplay)
22. (2015)  Sklaven und Meister (Slaves and masters)
23. (2016)  Die Verdammte (The condemned woman)
24. (2017)  Wunden und Narben (Wounds & scars)
25. (2018)  Auf den Schwingen der Liebe  (On the wings of love)
26. (2019)  Beziehungsvariationen (Variations on relations)
27. (2020)  Der Weg zur schwarzen Huette (The path to the black lodge)
28. (2021)  Jenseits von Leben und Tod (Beyond life and death)
 
Pretty nice, isn't it? How do you like that?
 
BTW, there are some allusions to familiar german quotations (like "Ruhe in 
Frieden", "das letzte Abendmahl", "Lynch-Justiz" :-), "Der Friede sei mit Dir"
etc.), but I can associate the matching episode fairly well. 
E.g. "Wounds and scars" reminds me of Harry S. Truman finding solace in a
bottle of Jack Daniels, suffering over the loss of the "Verdammte" Josie.
Or "Demons", one of my favourite episodes, where MIKE speaks through Gerard
in his demonic voice and sentences. "Einsame Seelen" of course, shows the
words left behind on Harolds hung body: "J'ai une ame solitaire"...
 
 
The other day, someone asked if there exists a Twin Peaks Fan Club. 
I'd be interested in this, too! Especially in an european TPFC. 
I'm sure there are some, as well as overseas or down under, so give a yell!
 
Last friday, they finally started to show "Twin Peaks, Fire Walk With Me"
here (Switzerland). Of course I had to sit in this cinema at the very first 
performance. English spoken, of course. And I was not disappointed!
It might be confusing for Not-"Peakies", though. And I think, the
killing-scenes went through cutting a bit. But, man, Lynch-Specials are
the reason to watch this movie. Gotta see this one again, that's 4 sure!
Even here they had to add a german title, by the way: "Twin Peaks - FZMM,
Die letzten 7 Tage im Leben der Laura Palmer"...

P.S.: Check out the Album "State of Euphoria" of the metalheads "Anthrax".
The song "Now it's dark" is about Lynchs "Blue Velvet"!!! 

Let's rock!  Robert Michl

(rmichl@iiic.ethz.ch)

*****************************************************************
->My mother's name is Margaret (like the log Lady)
->My brother's called Dennis (remember Denise Bryson?)
->We're Twins
->I'm BOB
->and my sister - guess what ? - Laura!
Well, the last names have been changed to protect the innocent...
*****************************************************************

tallman%ailanth.uucp@wang.com (Robert Oliver) writes:

> >The title pretty much says it...Lynch will be on the Tonight Show next 
> >week (week of August 24-28) to presumably talk about FWWM. Don't know 
> >the exact day he will appear.

TV Guide says it will be Wednesday (the 26th).

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schultz@unixg.ubc.ca (Stewart Schultz) writes:

> >There will be several taped interviews of the cast on MTV this next
> >week -- MTV was at the TP festival in Snoqualmie last weekend
> >interviewing anyone they could get their hands on.  They even
> >got Lynch giving his intro speech to the movie audience.

MTV programming dept. says this *may* be on this Thursday's "Big Picture"
show (7:30 PM ET/PT).

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I'm new to this group, so don't chastise me if this has already been
discussed, but what's the deal with the new ending tacked on to the TP
pilot video?  I feel a bit betrayed by the attempt to make it a complete
movie by adding ten minutes of tidying-up.  Also, were some of the scenes
switched around in the first half-hour or so?  I seem to remember the scene
w/ Grace Z. crying to be a bit later, and much longer.
-joel

In article <1992Aug25.122252.7121@ac.dal.ca> 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
> >Alright... Music Trivia time.

> >Where did you all hear the tune _The Pink Room_ before?

> >Yes that's right! Bobby put it on the jukebox in the very first episode.
> >Remember... "I'll see you in my dreams, Norma Jennings!"

> >"Not if I see you first!"

James also plays it in Wally's Hideout (or whatever the
nsame of the bad he meets Evelyn Marsh in).

3 more days.

BBC

 Greetings.

 Does "Twin Peaks Press" still exist, and if so, do they carry "Twin
Peaks" merchandise at all?  Could anyone provide an address/phone
number?

 Thanks VERY much!

 Ru
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World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044

> >In article <1992Aug19.171659.9286@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, shiv@bnr.ca (Shiv Naimpally) writes:
> >
> >}} A local video store (in Ottawa Canada) had a TP boxed set with ONE
> >}} episode per tape ! I opened up one and sure enough the tape length
> >}} is 48 minutes ! Who was the idiot who dreamed this up ??!!  Has
> >}} anyone seen this in the US since I'm sure its made in the US.

That's the only way I've seen the tapes (1 episode per cassette).  It's
such a stupid waste of materials.  At the local video store here
in Toronto, they have the self-contained 2 hour Twin Peaks movie that
was shown in certain parts of Europe(?) where the rest of the series
wasn't shown.

Most of it is like the very first pilot episode except it makes a 
major detour during the last 15 minutes.  The murder is completely
resolved (in a much much stupider way) and parts of the 3rd episode
dream sequence are used in way different context.

This 113 minute movie has nothing to do with the rest of the TP canon
and should only be watched to get a bit more Lynch in your Life.

A friend rented it so she could get started on the rest of the series
(I have every episode except the pilot) before the movie.  I had
to explain to her what doesn't belong (ie.....Bob is not a real
person hiding out in the hospital basement).

ferenc

In article <wiljo.714586757@kiel.UUCP> wiljo@kiel.uucp (Wiljo Heinen) 
writes:

> >Now we cometh to the movie. (if you hate spoilers, now is the chance of
> >pressing "n".

^L

> >135 mins is just *too short* for TP like story-telling.

Yep...but a lot of the violence (especially the Laura murder details)
was cut.  Not that more violence would have amounted to more
story-telling :-).  I think Lynch basically wrote the movie assuming
avid TP fans as the main audience, which made plot and character
development largely unecessary, since we already know all these
people and what's about to happen to them.

> >Also the hyped-about Laura-killing scene
> >seemed to me less violent (or on about the same level) as Maddy's killing.

This was a big disappointment to me....this was the climax of the
movie, the whole reason for the series, etc., and it's such a cop-out
I can't even recall the details of the scene.

> >Biggest disappointment to me was Moira Kelly (sp?) as Donna.

I didn't like the original Donna much myself...sort of came across
as a spoiled twit, especially towards the end.  I think Moira would
have been OK if they attempted anything resembling character
development in this movie.

> >more disappointments: Lynch put in a whole bunch of the TP actors, just to 
make
> >the movie TP-ish: Norma, Shelly, the Log Lady -- we all see them for a few
> >seconds/ half a minute most. They add nothing to the movie's plot, just
> >clutter up the list of actors and leave you with the hollow feeling, that
> >Mr.Lynch either shouldn't have put them in or given them a chance to 
> >act meaningful. Like Shelly's only task is to load the "meals" into Laura's
> >"wheels". Well no ... we see her getting shown the art of floor scrubbing
> >by Leo. And Norma: the only two seconds (well-- maybe ten) of her is to
> >_order_ Shelly to put the meals into Laura's van.

Agreed.  To work all these in though, you'd need another subplot
and an extra hour.  I liked seeing them though, they're sort of icons.
I was told by some people who lived across the street from the trailer
park used as the "Fat Trout Trailer Park" that big Ed had a part in the
movie as well...a building across from the trailer park was redecorated
as his gas station.  This obviously was cut from the movie, probably
for the reasons you say.

> >more disappointments: Kyle MacLachlan: totally colorless.

Yep, but he seemed to be doing it under protest anyway....he was reluctant to 
participate even in the second TV season.  I'm sure that had he been more 
amenable they would have worked him into the story to the fans' content.

> >Storyline: The death of Teresa Banks: gives a few new insights and 
> >question marks. Has potential for further development along the
> >"owls" line. Is a bit lost in the movie though. I very much like
> >Kiefer Sutherlands part in it though.  Lynch could have elaborated
> >on that first part of the movie and made it into another 2hr movie.

Easily!  Although Chris Isaak's acting is a bit flat and unconvincing.  Keifer 
Sutherland's role I think was the most pleasant surprise of the movie, and I 
would have loved to see this part extended another half hour.  The interplay 
between Sutherland and Isaak was hilarious.  And of course, the BIG 
QUESTION:  What happened to Isaak??  Maybe another sequel is in order...I 
think it would have great potential.

> >(As other ppl. allready sad: Bowie just turns up, so that they can
> >put him on the list of actors. Talks a bit about the "convenience store"
> >and that he visited "them" there). But this TB part has some very
> >Lynchian pictures to it. 

The video monitor scene was great!  As well as something that you would 
have completely missed in Germany:  Bowie had a southern accent!!!  
Absolutely flawless....you couldn't have guessed he's a Brit.  Just one
of those hilarious Lynchian surprises.

> >The last sven days of LP: Great ! I love it. Now we get to see the _real_
> >Laura. These roughle 1.5 hrs give completely new angles to Laura Palmer.
> >OK -- we all knew that she had "secrets", but during the series the
> >"calm, lovely" homecoming queen was the emphasize put on Laura. It is
> >one thing to know she was taking cocain, working/thrown out at One Eyed
> >"sexualy active" and such, but actually seeing it makes a difference.
> >(could ponder more on that, but should be trying to be brief)

Pretty one-dimensional and predictable, however.  Snorting coke, drinking, 
recreational sex was extremely well done in terms of cinematography and 
mood, but it didn't really say anything about Laura we didn't already 
know....it would have been nice to see some real conflict.  Her reactions to 
Leland/Bob seemed overdone and not convincing to me....Leland was just not 
disturbing in the least (but maybe that's because I had just met Ray Wise 
the afternoon I saw the movie, at the TP festival in Snoqualmie :-) 
But I will say I was impressed with her acting overall.

> >In FWWM you get to see more of the TP town (roads, neighbourhoods
> >and such). Now _that_ was weird to me.

I'll tell you what's really weird -- that's seeing the movie while the cast is 
sitting directly in front of you a couple rows, then walking out the theater 
into the moonlit streets of the -real- TP, the cast following you.  
Then next day tooling around Snoqualmie and seeing the real trailer park, 
high school, diner etc.  The feel of Snoqualmie/North Bend is exactly as 
in the movie...it's eerie to say the least.

I am a bit disappointed with the movie, however.  Overall it seemed rushed 
and cursory.  There's so much that could have been explored, in nightmarish 
detail.  But I still think it's better than most of this summer's film crop.

-S. Schultz

Life is just too good.

A local radio station is *giving* away free passes to FWWM for anyone who
donates a can of food to the food bank.

*and* I just bought the FWWM disk. It wasn't what I'd expected, but it *is* 
very good.

*and* I bought a copy of the Tibetan Dance Mix of Rocking Back Inside my Heart
(if you want a tape, email me, we'll talk).

Counting the hours now.....
Mike (quivering with anticipation)

 I just watched the Euro version of the Twin Peaks pilot tonight to get
 hyped up for the movie TP:FWWM being released on Friday.
  
   I liked the extra footage not seen in the original TV pilot but didn't
   like how it was clued up so fast in the movie. Bob didn't appear as
   "chilling" as he was during the series.

   I also re-watched the last episode of the second season and noticed how
   time plays an important role there, in the Euro pilot version and through
   the series overall.. its like at the end of the second season, once Cooper
   enters the Black Lodge time (some aspects of it) goes backwards - for
   instance we see the same dialogue and actions between Bobby, Shelly and
   the Swedish waitress like we did in the origional pilot (ie: "Jumpstarting
   the old man again" - reason why the waitress was late). Also the reference
   in the pilot (Euro) where they show Cooper's "Dream" (though in the Euro
   version it was supposed to be real) to being 25 years later.. Cooper is
   older etc. and how the midget says "The gum you once liked will be coming
   back in style" - like saying some how that the events will happen again or
   that things will reverse.
    
    Another thing, the midget in the Euro pilot introduces the girl as his
    "cousin" whom looks like Laura Palmer. The only other cousin in the
    series was Maddy and it was noted in the series how they used to trade
    places to play tricks on their friends (Laura and Maddy) - wouldn't it
    have been wild if we found out in the movie coming out that it was
    actually Maddy killed and not Laura? But Maddy gets killed in the series
    anyways even if that was Laura. (Maybe it was Laura's Doppleganger that
    got killed and Laura will be released from the Black Lodge in 25 years,
    along with Cooper? Hmm..
     
      One other final note was that the midget in the 25 years later scene
      said where he and the girl (Laura) was from the birds sang and their
      is always music in the air.. Heaven? -> The White Lodge? (Seeing as how
      in the final episode of the second season he says himself and the Giant
      are "One in the same" and I assumed the Giant has been like the "keeper"
      of the White Lodge.
       
I can't wait to see TP:FWWM on Friday, I say it should do good over
the first weekend (Honeymoon in Vegas will give it good competition).
I'm sorry to read that the Laura Palmer death scene is obviously
toned down.. that was supposed to be the climax of the movie, what
I would be looking forward to seeing the most and now its cut down? I
hope they release the whole version when it comes out on video!
 
 -=*George*=-
  
  P.S. I also got the words to the Fire, walk with me verse..

   
   "Through the darkness of future past
   The magician longs to see
   One chance out between two worlds,
   Fire, walk with me!"

Erk! I've been going off to every record store in Edmonton since the 11th 
when the Soundtrack was released in the US.. I've checked with most of 
the stores and they don't even have it on their range sheets... Grr.. 
What's worse: a more popular store known as Sam The Record Man also gets 
alot of importeted stuff before the competition does.. THEY have the 
Soundtrack listed as comming this month but they only know it by: "Twin 
Peaks"... AND now.. the final rip off.. They *HAD* two copies in which 
sold the moment they came out of their boxes...
SO, I'm still waiting for the stuff...3 days left till...

"The killer WILL strike again... when or where we don't know..."

 Dis claimer - not mine. :o) tbuzzeo@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca

In article <1992Aug25.204434.7942@leland.Stanford.EDU> joelfire@leland.Stanford.EDU ( Firehammer) writes:
> >I'm new to this group, so don't chastise me if this has already been
> >discussed, but what's the deal with the new ending tacked on to the TP
> >pilot video?  I feel a bit betrayed by the attempt to make it a complete
> >movie by adding ten minutes of tidying-up.  Also, were some of the scenes
> >switched around in the first half-hour or so?  I seem to remember the scene
> >w/ Grace Z. crying to be a bit later, and much longer.

The new ending was shot with the original movie in case the series wasn't
picked up, so it could be released on video overseas.  The writers very
cleverly made it so they could re-use the footage as Cooper's dream
sequence in the second one-hour episode.  The script for that episode makes
it clear that a lot more of the MIKE/BOB confrontation was originally meant
to be re-used -- everything from the scene in the morgue ("He's unarmed")
onwards is in the episode script.

No, the Grace Zabriskie scenes weren't changed -- the first one was always
at the end of Act One, just before the first fade-down.  However, her
final scene, where she sees the hand take the necklace, was completely
replaced with new footage for the scene where she sees BOB.

People have been talking about the lack of advertising for this movie,
so I thought I'd mention what I've seen so far.  Hasn't been much at all.
Full page ads have been running in various movie magazines (Premiere,
Movieline, etc.) and the movie poster was selling pretty well at the San Diego
Comic Convention.

The trailer has already been mentioned.  My roommate saw it before Single White
Female.  It's about 1 min 45 sec long and has lots of scenes that you would
expect.

So far I've seen two TV ads.  One has 2001-like choral effects that make it
real creepy and is geared to horror fans, I think.  Hypes the film as
real violent.  Includes shots of Leland screaming as he marches Laura
and Ronnette by flashlight, BOB, Laura screaming with blood around her mouth,
etc.  The second one has only music by Julee Cruise (Questions in a World of
Blue) and is similar to the trailer.  Here we get a shot of Desmond.

ed


-- /\__Edwin Nomura -- enomura@ucsd.edu__________.:___________.____________/\ / \\ .:. . : . : / \\ / \\\ : .:: : : Fire walk with me :.. : . : / \\\ / \\\\..::..:::.:::::.:.:.....:::::...::..:...:::::.:.:::::.:....::.../ \\\\

Help!


I'm in Seattle and will be driving out to the Peaks this Friday.  Anyone in the
area interested in leaving info?

I'm at the Seattle Westin Hotel rm.#1039 

Any late braking info would help!  I've been cut off from this groups for about
5 weeks!



Cheers!



Don Kasprzak

Forgot to mention what looked like another trailer.  Back during Cannes
E! ran a special and aired some scenes from what looked like a trailer.
It started off with the FWWM theme with shots of Waldo, Laura, James,
Bobby, etc., then an screeching starts up that increases in volume as
we cut to Mrs. Tremond in the dream in the room beckoning us to come
closer.  The screeching stops and The Pink Room starts up with more
scenes and that's all they showed.  Just wondering if anyone's seen this
one...

ed


-- /\__Edwin Nomura -- enomura@ucsd.edu__________.:___________.____________/\ / \\ .:. . : . : / \\ / \\\ : .:: : : Fire walk with me :.. : . : / \\\ / \\\\..::..:::.:::::.:.:.....:::::...::..:...:::::.:.:::::.:....::.../ \\\\

>>>>> >>>>> On 18 Aug 92 20:12:26 GMT, jgp@zodmate.Rational.COM (Jim Pellmann) said:

Jim> Despite a smattering of applause, "Fire" opened largely to boos and actual
Jim> nausea at the Cannes Film Festival, a response attributable to the bloody,
Jim> sadomasochistic murder scene between father and daughter in the film's finale.

Must have gotten cut, or I am just not as sensitive as those French
critics.

Jim> Yet "Fire" is a huge hit in Japan, luring overflow crowds since opening last
Jim> May, during the festival. 

The Japan-thing is really getting overplayed a bit.  I went to a TINY,
TINY theater, and it was not filled.  OK, it was successful.  Give it
a rest.


Mike
----

>>>>> >>>>> On 23 Aug 92 16:19:17 GMT, wiljo@kiel.uucp (Wiljo Heinen) said:

Wiljo> Now we cometh to the movie. (if you hate spoilers, now is the chance of
Wiljo> pressing "n".

Wiljo> 

Wiljo> The last sven days of LP: Great ! I love it.

You sounded pretty down on it so far.  I agreed with all your negative
criticisms and more.

Wiljo> These roughle 1.5 hrs give completely new angles to Laura Palmer.

I felt it was more interesting when it was left up to the imagination
what Laura was like.  I felt by showing it, and explaining everything
so clearly, that what was so intriguing about the series - the unknown
aspects of Laura, the secrets of the relationships - suddenly became
very uninteresting.  FWWM really detracted more than it added.

I have lot's of questions too, but I will wait for the experts to hack
it to bits, shards, shreds and meat by-products next week.  I suspect
it won't be pretty, either ...


Mike
----

In article <1992Aug25.122252.7121@ac.dal.ca> 01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
|Alright... Music Trivia time.
|
|Where did you all hear the tune _The Pink Room_ before?

Ummm...Not before this FWWM album...

|Yes that's right! Bobby put it on the jukebox in the very first episode.
|Remember... "I'll see you in my dreams, Norma Jennings!"
|
|"Not if I see you first!"
|
|Rent the Euroflick if you don'believe me ;-)

Again, ummmm.  I *own* the euroflick, and these two are *not* the
same.  You do mean the one that begins with a *boom* *boom* *boom*,
followed by a sound roughly akin to a record player starting up again
after a power outage, right?

Let's try again.  It's on the Lynch/Badalamenti Industrial
Symphony No. 1.  The title is "I'm hurt bad."  And for all those who care
about winning trivia pursuit (tm) after all these years, it is written 
by both Lynch and Badalamenti, even though there are no lyrics...

Check your facts again.  I know I wouldn't mind doing so myself! ;)

-- ---------------------------+- If we took the bones out, it wouldn't -- jsnyder@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | be crunchy, would it? - MPFC ---------------------------+ That is your reciept for your husband, and this is my reciept for your reciept. - Brazil

While "The Pink Room" may or may not have been in the TV series,
there's another song (if you can call it that) on the FWWM
soundtrack that was.  I'm almost sure that "The Black Dog Runs
at Night" was played in the 2nd season finale while Coop was in
the Red Room.  The only difference was that it didn't have Angelo
Badalamenti constantly chanting the title.

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Brett J. Vickers (bvickers@ics.uci.edu)

I'm not much of a contributor here - sorry if this has been mentioned.

I have noticed that news stories about "Fire Walk With Me" have
been pronouncing it like:

"Firewalk with me"

rather than

"Fire, walk with me".

I've heard this on both NPR (the Morning Edition report on the
Twin Peaks festival in Washington, where you could get your own
Laura Palmer doll "wrapped in plastic") and on Entertainment Tonight
this evening from the lips of John Tesch.  Ah well, can't expect many
in the mainstream to be "in the know", and I suppose most would not be
surprised if Lynch included some firewalking in the movie.  ;->

-- David C. Stewart uunet!sequent!davest Sequent Computer Systems, Inc. davest@sequent.com

In article <15150@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes...

} In article <1992Aug25.204434.7942@leland.Stanford.EDU> joelfire@leland.Stanford.EDU ( Firehammer) writes:

}} I'm new to this group, so don't chastise me if this has already been
}} discussed, but what's the deal with the new ending tacked on to the TP
}} pilot video? I feel a bit betrayed by the attempt to make it a complete
}} movie by adding ten minutes of tidying-up.

} The new ending was shot with the original movie in case the series wasn't
} picked up, so it could be released on video overseas.

Not quite. The expanded version of the pilot *was* released in certain
parts of Europe long before the series was ever broadcast there. In fact,
it was released there around the time that the first season episodes were
being first shown in the US (see magazine articles on the show from about
that time for proof).

}} Also, were some of the scenes switched around in the first half-hour
}} or so?  I seem to remember the scene w/ Grace Z. crying to be a bit
}} later, and much longer.

} No, the Grace Zabriskie scenes weren't changed -- the first one was always
} at the end of Act One, just before the first fade-down.  However, her
} final scene, where she sees the hand take the necklace, was completely
} replaced with new footage for the scene where she sees BOB.

The broadcast and video versions of the pilot are EXACTLY THE SAME for the
first ~95 minutes (yes, I've compared them). The footage of Sarah Plamer's
vision of someone digging up the necklace lasts for about 30 seconds, and
is the only footage in the broadcast version that is not in the video
version.

-- "She's my radiation baby. She's my teenage fallout girl." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com

Anyone else remember the marathon they ran in an English
theater this past April or so? 
   The fellow who posted on it wrote about a trailer for
FWWM, with what appeared to be post-"How's Annie" scenes,
as per the original plan for the film (3 segments, not 2).
What I want to know is: WHAT HAPPENED?!? Teresa Banks is 
nice, Laura's last week is a moderately ineresting prospect,
but I really want to find out what happens after 2021/2022!
The poster said there was a shot of The Waiting room Regulars
plus Josie and Hawk...Through other sources, I've found out
some other things...not nearly enogh to paste the story 
together, though. Does anyone have a script for FWWM with these 
scenes included? 
                                         George...
"Twelve rainbow trout!"

I got the soundtrack yesterday night (finaly)... and I must say...
It is definatly good.. though I thinks it could use without "Black Dog 
Runs At Night". Fortuneatly, that's the shortest track on it :)
It doesn't matter that some of the stuff doesn't sound "Peakish". It's 
not supposed to... we are dealing with worlds other than our own here 
now...

 Dis claimer - not mine. :o) tbuzzeo@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca

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ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
> >   Just my guess:  there won't be a TP movie.  The ratings, the cancellation
> >of the show, and the traffic on this group all make it clear there just
> >isn't enough interest to make it fly.  Too bad!

Prepare to eat crow.

--
bvickers@ics.uci.edu | "Only a large-scale popular movement toward
brett@ucippro.bitnet |  decentralization and self-help can arrest the
                     |  present tendency toward statism." - Aldous Huxley

How do you explain Twin Peaks to someone who doesn't know anything
about it???

   I'm ready to see "Fire..." on Friday, but my girlfriend knows NOTHING
about Twin Peaks (she thought it was some medieval series about princes,
etc. (?!) Don't know WHERE she got that idea from!). Anyway, I thought
I'd give her a crash course by renting the TP pilot, but it didn't work:

   "Okay, this is the pilot from the TV series. Now when the one-armed man
pops up, forget everything after that, because it didn't really happen.
Who's the dancing midget with the funny voice? Um, he's a vision Cooper
has from time to time -- what? No, Coop's not insane. Well, not yet, anyway.
No, he STILL hasn't solved the case after 25 years. I know, the one-armed 
man's talking about Mike and Bob, but he's not talking about Mike and Bobby. 
Mike and Bobby are a**holes while Mike and Bob are supernatural forces 
-- ok, ok, so they're supernatural forces that can be shot by normal 
bullets. But only in this version -- remember, all this never really 
happened. NO, they are NOT silver bullets -- you're thinking of werewolves.
Now, the movie on Friday will END where this movie BEGAN. Got that? No? 
Oh well..."

   One more thing: she was in tears throughout most of the first half of
the pilot. Does anyone out there who's seen "Fire..." think it will be
too much for her? I remember how chilling the episode with Maddy and Bob
was, and I'm wondering how terrifying Lynch can be without the Broadcast
Standards & Practices people on his back. That episode was probably the
closest we'll ever see of a TV equivalent of the infamous "Psycho" shower
scene -- it was downright frightening without crossing over the line into
gore.

As advertised, DL appeared on last nights Tonight show.  Not much about
FWWM, though they did show a clip of Leland being nasty to Laura at the
dinner table about her hands being filthy with a chilling reference to dirt
under her fingernail (yes, that one).

Leno gave DL a present, an old drive in movie speaker. DL spoke more about
his as yet unpublished (and very late) book of photographs.  So far he has
two chapters, Dental Hygiene and Sparkplugs. He showed a couple of slides
of something else, namely some ants excavating a small head made of chess
and turkey (that's what he said) covered in clay with holes for the eyes,
mouth and ears.  Building such an object and photographing them at
intervals was DLs response to an invasion of his kitchen by the ants.

No mention of "On the Air", even though he was last on the show to plug it.
Instead, Leno began will resuming a conversation they had about
Philadelphia.

DL appears to have put on some weight.  Cooincidentally, I happened to
overhear him talking to Jack Nance this fall on location in Snoqualmie when
Jack arrived for his first day (they later cut the scenes he appeared in).
Just about the first thing DL asked him was whether he thought he (DL) had
put on some weight. He used the expression 'porked up'.  (I would say that
he has definitely 'porked up' since then, in fact since his last appearance
on the Tonight show.)  Maybe it's that cherry pie.

Jack was walking with a cane and blamed his bum leg on overdoing it on an
excercise bike. His wife (now, unfortunately deceased) had him on an
exercise program.

-Rich Haller

What's going on here... I have posted 2 times in this newsgroup and gotten
absolutely no response.

I'm normally a nice and friendly person, but I don't enjoy being left out,
on the other hand.

All I wanted to know was, "How did Audrey Horne die?"

Are you all elitist?  Or are there some friendly ones out there?  I sure
hope so!

Thank you kindly.

In article <1992Aug27.140918.705@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_woodsjl@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
> >What's going on here... I have posted 2 times in this newsgroup and gotten
> >absolutely no response.

Well, I, for one, never saw yer postings...

> >I'm normally a nice and friendly person, but I don't enjoy being left out,
> >on the other hand.

What was on the first hand?

> >All I wanted to know was, "How did Audrey Horne die?"

She got blowed up real good...

But then again, it seems to me that we should merely presume she was blowed
up- after the bank explosion scene, there was no further reference to it
at all (that I can remember...).

> >Are you all elitist?  Or are there some friendly ones out there?  I sure
> >hope so!

I'm elitist (I was raised Catholic, but converted... :-)), but I'll talk to 
you anyway...
-- Scott Galuska Dept. of Computer & Info. Science "There's no crying in baseball!" Univ of Delaware galuska@asel.udel.edu

In article <i296PB3w165w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, tbuzzeo@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Tom Buzzeo) writes:
> > I got the soundtrack yesterday night (finaly)... and I must say...
> > It is definatly good.. though I thinks it could use without "Black Dog 
> > Runs At Night". Fortuneatly, that's the shortest track on it :)
> > It doesn't matter that some of the stuff doesn't sound "Peakish". It's 
> > not supposed to... we are dealing with worlds other than our own here 
> > now...
> > 

Myself, I bought it for _The Sycamore Trees_. Ghod I love that song... so slow
and sad and more than a little erotic... seductive... AMAZING! Let's face it,
if Lynch decides to give up filmmaking, he could make big money as a songwriter


which reminds me...

The liner sayd David playes "percussion" on 2 songs. Since there is also credit
given for the drums, my bet it that's him on the moraccas (sp?).

Any other guesses?

Mike

[Start of File 1 of 5]
<----------------------------------cut here---------------------------------->
On Monday, June 10, 1991, the ABC television network broadcast the last two
episodes of "Twin Peaks," #28 and #29 (or 2021 and 2022 in timeline counting).
In the following weeks, there were hundreds and hundreds of messages posted
about the finale in the alt.tv.twin-peaks newsgroup.

Topics included:

- What happened to Audrey, Pete, and Thomas Eckhardt in the bank vault?
- What happened to Ben Horne?
- How did the head injury mysteriously move between Bobby and Mike?
- What was the meaning of the conjunction of the planets?
- Wasn't a scene repeated from the pilot episode?
- What happened to Leo?
- What was the Log Lady's role in finding the Black Lodge?
- Amusing moments from the pageant.
- Who was speaking through Sarah to Major Briggs?
- What happened to Annie?
- What happened to Cooper?
- What are doppelgangers?
- Weren't there some inconsistencies in the Black Lodge sequence?
- In what way are the Giant and Senor Droolcup "one and the same"?
- What is the significance of the name Glastonberry Grove?
- What was the significance of Laura Palmer's presence in the Black Lodge?
- What is the Black Lodge?
- Did we see the White Lodge?
- What was the configuration of the rooms Cooper went through?
- What happened to Windom Earle?
- What did it all mean?
- Comments by those who hated the finale.
- Comments by those who loved the final.
- What questions were left unanswered?
- What will happen to the characters now?
- What will happen in the "Twin Peaks" movie?
- Why didn't "Twin Peaks" catch on with viewers?

In fact, it was one of the most active newsgroups during June of 1991:

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

... we interrupt this newsgroup to bring you the following report:
alt.tv.t-p made it to the top 25 most active newsgroups over the
last 2 weeks... 

         No. of        $ Cost  % of  Cumulative
Rank  Kbytes Articles per Site Total  % of Total  Group (Articles/contributor)
  25  1263.4     826      3.33  0.5%    35.4%     alt.tv.twin-peaks (2.2)
  
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I saved the most interesting articles (IMHO) and have now grouped them together
by topic and incorporated them into the timeline description of the last two
episodes.  As a whole, it presents a "what happened and what did it mean"
description of the finale.

Why present this now, over a year later?  Several reasons:

- A lot of TP fans do not have access to the alt.tv.twin-peaks newsgroup.
  This gives them a chance (finally) to see what was discussed in that group
  after the finale.
- As the movie prequel "Fire Walk With Me" opens in the United States on
  Friday, August 28, it will refresh your memory and (hopefully) generate
  more interest in the movie.
- The finale discussions touch on many themes and ideas presented throughout
  the TV series--themes that are most likely addressed by Lynch in the movie.  
  
Caveats/warnings/explanations/disclaimers/apologies:

- If you have not seen the final two episodes of the "Twin Peaks" TV series,
  and don't want it spoiled, don't read the rest of this.
- This file is VERY LARGE--over 90 pages (if you print it out), over 5000 
  lines, and over 250K.  It has been split into five files of approximately 
  1000 lines and 50K each.
- Timeline entries are preceded by + marks, e.g.:

  + -- The Miss Twin Peaks pageant, opening dance number.  Pinkle makes his
  +    move on the Log Lady.  Talent competition begins.  Lucy dances.
  + -- Earle as the Log Lady knocks out Bobby.  Lana dances.
  
  (Thanks to Ed Nomura and Ed Hughes for maintaining the timeline.)
- Topics and comments are grouped and preceded by a header, e.g.:
  
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
  *** Cooper At The Mirror
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
                       
  An index to the headers is given below.
- Entries that reference previous entries have the previous entry preceded
  by > marks, e.g.:
  
    >  I'm hoping that Audrey, Andrew, and Pete ARE dead. 
    >  Just because it wouldn't be a rip-off that way.

    Well, Andrew has to be dead. How could he not be? Pete was standing behind
    Andrew so there is a chance that he could be alive. Audrey was on the other
    side of the rather large (surrounded by steel) vault. I'd bet that she is
    still alive.

- To conserve space in saving these hundreds of messages, I removed all
  header information.  Thus there are no dates, and no names of the original
  authors.  I herewith offer my apologies to those who submitted these
  (mostly) thoughtful, witty, and entertaining articles, which are uncredited
  in this article.
- If several people posted the same question/answer/comment, I only included
  the first one I encountered.  There were many, many duplicates, which I have
  tried to eliminate.  Again, my apologies if you posted a more convincing,
  more insightful, more articulate article and I didn't include it.
- In some cases, where authors discussed several subjects, I have split
  their original article and included the parts in the relevant categories.
- Except for reformatting to fit within 80 columns, I have left the author's
  words alone.  The authors are responsible for all typos, bad grammar,
  poor spelling, and factual mistakes (although I have tried to limit the
  entries with outright mistakes).
- Let me repeat:  I did not write these comments, I have merely catalogued
  them.  Please don't send me mail saying, "How could you possibly say X!?"
  I didn't.  Somebody else did.  Over a year ago.
  
With that business out of the way, please enjoy reliving the finale!
                                   -- Jim Pellmann (jgp@rational.com)
Index to the headers:
--------------------

Line numbers are given for both the position within each of the five files,
and the position if all five files are combined into one file.

                                             File      Total
                                            line #     line #
  File 1:                                   ------     ------
     Pageant                                   225        225
     Conjunction of planets                    319        319
     Log lady/oil                              442        442
     Bobby/Mike injuries                       506        506
     Ben/Doc/Donna                             565        565
     Bank scene                                675        675
  File 2:
     Deja vu                                     4       1057
     Leo                                        88       1141
     Sarah                                     141       1194
     Black Lodge sequence:
          Annie                                299       1352
          Cooper at the mirror                 331       1384
          Doppelgangers                        675       1728
          Giant/Senor Droolcup                 781       1834
          Glastonberry Grove                   845       1898
  File 3:
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          Laura Palmer                          97       2210
          Pathetic theories                    227       2340
          Room configuration                   293       2406
          What it all means                    585       2698
          Windom Earle                        1149       3262
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          Finale haters                         13       3393
          Finale lovers                        629       4009
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          Humor                                  1       4397
          Movie                                175       4571
          Plot developments (potential)        278       4674
          Unanswered questions                 600       4996
          Why TP didn't catch on               711       5107
          A happy ending                       849       5245

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+ 26 Mar (Sunday)   [Episode 2021 - 6/10/91
+                    Part 1 Written by Barry Pullman
+                    Directed by Tim Hunter]
+ 
+   Morning
+    -- Leo reaches for the key and frees Briggs.  L: "Save Shelly"
+    -- Ghostly Earle returns with a new game for Leo.  He's got something
+       in a bag.
+ 
+   1:05 pm (clock on wall)
+    -- Norma, Shelly, and Annie chat about the Miss Twin Peaks pageant.
+       Norma won the first one 20 years ago.
+    -- Ben and Audrey talk about Jack.  He's got some philosophy books
+       from which he hopes to learn how to be good.  Audrey reports that
+       the Packards are using the Twin Peaks Savings and Loan to funnel cash
+       to their Ghostwood project.  Ben hopes to expose this and still wants
+       Audrey to make a speech.
+    -- Andy stares at the petroglyph.  Cooper tells Truman about how he thinks
+       Josie died of fear and a vision of BOB immediately afterwards.  Earle
+       eavesdrops and talks to Leo about getting Miss Twin Peaks.  Leo's teeth
+       are clamped on a string from which a flimsy cage of spiders hang over
+       him.
+    -- Pinkle has the Miss Twin Peaks contestants rehearse a dance.  The mayor,
+       Dick, and Norma discuss criteria, then Lana seduces Dick in a storage
+       room.
+ 
+   1:17 pm (Cooper to Diane)
+    -- Cooper tells Diane he just finished his second meditation.  Annie
+       arrives wanting help with her speech.  The pageant is in 6 hours.
+       They end up in bed.
+    -- Nadine shows slides of her wrestling.  Jacoby has Nadine (with Mike)
+       and Ed (with Norma) discuss their breaking up.  Both proclaim they
+       are getting married.
+    -- Briggs is picked up by Hawk
+    -- Cooper and Truman attempt to question Briggs.  Cooper smells haliperidol
+       on him.  Andy looks at the petroglyph again.
+    -- Andrew, Pete, and Catherine are still wrestling with the box.  Andrew
+       finally shoots it open.  Inside is a key, which Catherine puts in a
+       cake-saver so it is in plain sight.
+    -- Donna demands the truth from uncooperative Will and Eileen
+    -- Andy looks at the petroglyph again.  Cooper figures out from a book
+       that the petroglyph tells of a time when Jupiter and Saturn are in
+       conjunction.  Briggs mutters "protect the queen" and "fear and love
+       open the doors."  Andy knocks the bonsai to the floor.  Truman goes
+       to pick it up and discovers the bug.
+ 
+    7:00 approx (Annie to Cooper, "in 6 hours")
+    -- The Miss Twin Peaks pageant, opening dance number.  Pinkle makes his
+       move on the Log Lady.  Talent competition begins.  Lucy dances.
+    -- Earle as the Log Lady knocks out Bobby.  Lana dances.
+    -- Audrey makes her speech.  Donna demands and gets the truth from Ben.
+       He's her father.
+    -- Annie makes her speech.  Earle watches from the rafters.
+    -- Lucy makes her announcement to Andy and Dick that she wants Andy to
+       be the baby's father.  Andy then goes to look for Cooper.
+    -- Annie is named Miss Twin Peaks.  Lights go out and chaos ensues as
+       Nadine is hit on the head with a sandbag, Cooper sees Earle, and
+       Earle takes Annie.  Power is restored and Andy tells Cooper he's
+       figured out the petroglyph to be a map.

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*** Pageant
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My friends all remarked that Lynch was really going all out on his last episode
when Norma & judges were talking about the pageant (first 15 mins of show) and
a guy walks in front of them carrying a deer?  Did it look peculiarly like
something kind of kinky or do my friends just have very dirty minds?  They all
seemed to notice it right away!

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> > a guy walks in front of them carrying a deer?  Did it look peculiarly like
> > something kind of kinky or do my friends just have very dirty minds?  They all
> > seemed to notice it right away!

Me too.

It sure looked to me like the guy was humping away at it.

Gave me a good laugh.

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ObFaveMoment from the last two episodes: the Anonymous Worker and his
Lovely Deer.

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> >* Did it occur to anyone else that Lucy was doing some pretty 
> >  fancy stunts (including that split) for a lady who was 
> >  pregnant?   

yes! I was thinking  "that kid's going to POP out any time now !!"

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The beauty pageant scene worked pretty well (boy, that Lucy sure can
dance, but she has a poor sense of prenatal care!).

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Cooper's acting was certainly better in the mirror segment than it was
after the Miss Twin Peaks Contest and the "Whoops, There Go The Lights
Scene".  I mean his reaction and subsequent acting when he discovered
Annie missing was BAD.  LAME.  I mean there was *no* emotion.  No
heavy breathing.  Nothing.  Especially when he was explaining to Harry
that she was gone.  He had the drama and emotion of a shrub.  Please
don't try to tell me he was overloaded and overwhelmed.  He could have
done a better job than that.

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     Wasn't it a bit late for Audrey to enter the pageant?  The scenes they
showed were great, though... the choreography just slightly off, the dark-
ness just a touch away throughout... I would have liked to see all of the
contestants' talents, instead of just the first couple -- imagine what Nadine
or Audrey would have done!  ;-)  Also : Why only three judges, all of which
had many personal stakes on the outcome?  Wouldn't they have deadlocked?

     Anybody else think that Lana's face looks kinda like a monkey's?
     
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Lana's lame excuse for a 7 veils dance deserved to go down in flames.  No
wonder Dick switched his vote to Annie.  Lana should have watched the "Temple
Dance in Praise of Eros" from "History of the World, Part 1"!  :-)  ("He is a
eunuch.  _He_ is a _eunuch_!  He's *DEAD*!")

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> > Have I missed it or did nobody mention the chessboard image on the floor of
> > the stage in the Miss Twin Peaks Pageant?  With Annie looking like a white 
> > queen (i.e. Windom's queen)?

Wow Bob Wow.  How about the fact they were all dancing wrapped in
clear plastic (raincoats)?

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+ [Part 2 Written by Mark Frost & Harley Peyton & Robert Engels
+         Directed by David Lynch]
+ 
+   Night
+    -- Lucy and Andy discuss what happened at the pageant
+    -- Cooper, with Truman and Hawk, ponders the petroglyph and "Fire walk 
+       with me."  Pete enters and says the Log Lady stole his truck which had 
+       12 rainbow trout in the bed.  The circle of 12 sycamore trees is where
+       Hawk found the bloody towel and ripped pages - Glastenberry Grove.  The
+       Log Lady arrives with some oil which her husband said is the opening to
+       a gateway.  Cooper determines it to be what Jacoby smelled.  Ronette is
+       brought in and recognizes the smell of that oil from the night Laura
+       died.

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*** Conjunction of planets
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> > "On June 15, in the waning twilight about 9:30 P.M., the three brightest
> > nighttime objects - the moon, Venus, and Jupiter - will join the planet
> > Mars in a rare and striking conjunction.  In case of clouds don't
> > worry, for although the moon will be elsewhere by the following evening,
> > the conjunction of the three planets actually grows more dense, until on
> > the 18th they'll all fit inside a circle less than two degrees wide.
> > (Your thumb held at arm's length covers about two degrees of the sky.)"
> > Bob Berman, DISCOVER                                             

Hmmmmm.  Does this mean the entrance to the White Lodge will become available
on June 15?

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> > Hmmmmm.  Does this mean the entrance to the White Lodge will become available
> > on June 15?

HEY its not just Jupiter and Mars...the entrance to all of NETWORK
TELEVISION itself will be open this TIME!!! David Lynch had better take
advantage of this while he can!

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Although Jupiter and Saturn are about as far as they can get away from a
conjunction right now, Venus and Mars are headed for a conjunction!

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> > Although Jupiter and Saturn are about as far as they can get away from a 
> > conjunction right now, Venus and Mars are headed for a conjunction!

Yes, it's been fun to watch them.  This reminds me that I had tried to
do some research on that poem by Yeats and run into some stuff that
was such a tangent that it didn't seem worth posting.  However there
are a few things that might be interesting.

I believe the text of the poem as posted went something like this:
    When Jupiter and Saturn meet
    What a crop of mummy wheat!

    The sword's a cross, thereon He died;
    On breast of Mars the goddess sighed.

Supposedly Yeats felt that his two children represented two
fundamentally different temperaments, one essentially pagan and the
other (to his mind) Christian.  The first stanza refers to his son
Michael, whom Yeats describes in a letter about this poem as "born
free among the most cultivated, out of tradition, out of rule".  His
daughter Anne is the Venus-Mars, "Christian" personality, which he
describes as "democratic".  He goes on to contrast the two by saying
that the son is always thinking about life and the daughter about
death.

So much for Yeats' view of his children's personalities.  As far as
the poem goes, a very interesting link between the first stanza and
the second is that Great Conjunctions of Jupiter and Saturn were used
as markers for the new World-Ages (when the sun rises in a different
sign of the zodiac at the vernal equinox, which happens about every
2,000 years as a result of the precession of the earth's rotation).
In fact, a great conjunction of these two planets in Pisces is thought
to have been the Star of Bethlehem in 6 b.c., ushering in the Age of
Pisces, dominated by Christianity, one of whose central symbols is the
fish.

I don't think it's too far out to use the mummy wheat (wheat found in
Egyptian sarcophagi and still viable after thousands of years) as a
symbol of Jesus (something from the world of death coming back to
life--I think of the Easter carol "Now the green blade riseth"), which
would lead from the first stanza directly into the second, but I
imagine that Windom Earle uses it to mean something like a spirit or
symbol from an earlier world-age coming back from being buried.  Now
wheat would seem like a much more peaceful, beneficial product than
fire, which would be a closer characterization of what's coming, so
probably he was being ironic.

The Mars-Venus conjunction as a Christian temperament?  I'm not sure I
buy this from Yeats, but I suppose a case could be made for it.  The
character in Twin Peaks who seems to have had the closest similarity
to Mars' temper outbursts is Leo Johnson, and Shelly would definitely
make a good Venus.  Alternatively, if Windom Earle sees himself as
Mars (he is definitely picking a fight with Cooper) he is trying to
align himself with a queen, who would then be his Venus.  Mars never
did to Venus what Windom Earle is planning to do to his queen though.

Enough of that. I just thought some people might find it interesting
information.

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Coop sure knew alot about the planets, etc. So why didnt he recognize
the symbols for them right off the bat. We did!

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> >   When Cooper says something like "we have to look at the ephemeris"
> >the close-up show that follows is that of some Mickey Mouse planetary
> >drawing instead of the real ephemeris: a table of numbers.  I though
> >that was silly.

Yah. That was dumb.  But an actual ephemeris is not very visually interesting
for tv.

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How long does it take for Jupiter and Saturn to align?
By my calculations: 20 - 25 years. (Coincidence?)

When will Coop see Laura again?
20 - 25 years.

When did W.E. get the boot from the Black Lodge project?
20-25 years ago.

Now, I think we have a cycle here.  Every 20-25 years a good cop goes into
the Black Lodge and comes out as a bad guy.  Happened with WE, happening with
CooP.  Since WE was working on the BL before Coop met him, Coop will probably
get a partner soon after marrying Annie.  Train the partner, have the partner
fall in love with Annie, kill annie ...

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*** Log lady/oil
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Someone earlier asked how Coop could know that the Log Lady would show up in
HST's office "in one minute." I also thought that this was peculiar.  Why does
he say "one minute," not "a minute" (which is the common colloquialism).
Furthermore, notice that when the LL knocks at the door, Coop pointedly looks
at his watch, as if to confirm the time that the LL showed up.  ???  (An aside:
is there anyone besides Coop who calls the LL by her real name?  I thought it
was somewhat humorous in the way that Hawk announced the LL: "It's the Log
Lady" (I think that's a correct quote.) The way he said it made it sound like
he was "announcing" someone of title: "It's the Duke of Nottingham." Oh, well,
*I* thought it was funny.)

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If the Log Ladys husband knew about the oil, did he know about the Lodge 
itself?

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> > If the Log Ladys husband knew about the oil, did he know about the Lodge
> > itself?

I think he did...maybe that's one reason he was encased in the Log (perhaps 
by BoB)

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Hey, what WAS the point about the oil?  Coop didn't have it with him when he
went to the Lodge, so even that part about it being a "gateway" was a
throwaway...?!

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I think the bright circle in Glastonbury Circle was around a pool of
that oil.  When Cooper looked into it, before he entered the Red Room, 
he said, "An opening to a gateway...", the same as what the Log Lady 
said about the jar of oil.

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A friend pointed out that the oil was quite valuable.  Coop and Harry
were trying to verify where WE and Annie were.  Log Lady brings the
oil, tying it to the gateway.  Next, Ronda ties the smell of the oil to
Leland/Bob.  Finally, Hawk ties Leland/Bob/Laura/Ronda to the circle
of trees - end of use for the oil.

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The burnt engine oil is puzzling. If it is really engine oil, then what does
that imply?  Did the black lodge begin with a car crash, a ufo crash?
 
If it is not engine oil but just something that smells and looks like it,
could it be brimstone?  Traditionally hell and devils smell of sulfer and
brimstone.  Is that smell similar to the smell of burnt engine oil?

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+    -- Earle takes Annie to the circle of trees and beyond the red curtains
+    -- Nadine is 35 again.  She wants to know who Mike is, why Norma is there,
+       and where her drape runners are.

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*** Bobby/Mike injuries
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Some have pointed out that the fact that Bobby is shown to not have any
apparent head injury (in the way of disorientation, bandages, etc.) after the
Miss TP contest and the fact that Mike does have such symptoms (and makes the
comment about running into a tree) suggests a great plot inconsistency.  Well,
it could be the case that BOTH Bobby and Mike were hit by WE's log, but we were
only shown Bobby being hit, and that Bobby's injury was not sufficient to
result in disorientation or require bandaging.  I know, it's a lot of ifs, but
it (or something similar) *could* be the case.

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A friend pointed out that Bobby has a good deal--he gets hit on the head
and Mike winds up with the wound.  (Remember the Nadine scene?  Mike is
clocked and Bobby is later A-OK in the diner....)

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Bobby sure made a quick recovery, seeing how he was clobbered with that log.
Not even a bandaid.  Wonder if his personality has changed?

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Bobby got clobbered by the ersatz Log, and _Mike_ had the head wound and said
he got hit by "a tree", and Bobby was mooning over Shelly with no wounds at
all?   I am confused.

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Let me use this bandwidth to clear up two VERY annoying misconceptions
on the net.  I assumed by now everyone should have figured these out.  I
will tell you two things.  They will be true.  Go home and check your tapes.
Then I will give you your damn ring back.

1)  Bobby's comment was in reference to the LOG, not the LOG LADY/WE.  WE
    just picked a hunk o' firewood, which looked nothing like her husband.
    His comment makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER in the other context.  NONE.

2)  Bobby got hit on the head.  WHAMMO.  Mike got hit on the head, too.  WHAMMO.
    Bobby did not require a bandage (subdural hemotoma?), Mike did.  Bobby's
    head injury did not channel to mike, nor did Mike selflessly trade heads
    with Bobby.  GIVE IT UP, PEOPLE.  How do I know this? Because Mike did not
    get hit until AFTER Nadine was sapped with the sandbag, by his own omission.
    And that was HIS head on his shoulders.  MIKE'S.  NOT BOBBY'S.  NOT.

    Read this.  Understand it.  Do not err on these points again, or a small
    dwarf will be sent to your house to violate your sister.  Backwards.

   -- Ben apologizes to Eileen.  Donna cries for Will to be her father.
      Slyvia walks in and Will belts Ben, who hits his head on the fireplace.
      
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+    -- Ben apologizes to Eileen.  Donna cries for Will to be her father.
+       Slyvia walks in and Will belts Ben, who hits his head on the fireplace.

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*** Ben/Doc/Donna
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Nobody has mentioned the scene where Ben and Dr. Hayward confront each other.
Ben gets his head rammed into the fireplace almost like Maddie got her head
rammed into the picture of Missoula and almost like Cooper rammed his head
into the mirror.

I think Cooper is not the only one possessed by Bob.  I think Donna's desire
to be like Laura is going to be filled beyond her wildest nightmares.

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> >   Did Doc kill Ben, or merely injure him?

I hadn't thought he killed him.  Isn't the wound on Ben's forehead in
the same place as Cooper's when he smashes his head into the mirror.
(In fact, the Doc and Ben scene reminded me of the Leland and Maddy
scene, in this one respect.)

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This show is not at all as bloody as most network fare, it's just
that we *look* at the characters and the emotions. When the cop
shows have people shooting each other a gazillion times with machine
guns, running each other over with cars, throwing each other from
the tops of 20+ story buildings, etc., etc., it's so easy to watch
and forget. That's just normal automated killing, nice and tidy.
But when we ram a head into a mirror or glass or brick wall, then
examine the regret or evil-glee of the agressor, and not cut away 
quickly to the getaway car, it hurts. You get to *see* the truth 
of it.

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Ben Horne. Dead? Giving his last twitches before his soul leaves his
  body? Why the BOB music as Hayward kills him? And then Hayward's at
  the hotel?
  
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I don't think Ben can possibly be dead. If he was, Hayward would be in jail
not taking care of Coop at his bedside. I didn't realize there was any BOB
music, but I'll take your word for it. Perhaps part of the reason why people
feel it was out of character for the good doctor is that he was possessed by
BOB when he did it, or maybe it was some kind of psychic backlash of bad vibes
coming from the showdown in the Black Lodge. My prediction is that since Ben
has tried to be good and it just didn't work out, he'll go back to being bad.
I hope I'm wrong. I like Ben as a good guy.

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The plotline with Donna and Ben was the worst.  Donna just seems to whine all
the time.  Nobody cares about her anymore.  This seemed to be invented just to
give these characters something to do.  What was the point?  And having Dr. H
get so mad?  For a sec, we all thought BOB had possessed him!  No way.. Doc H
cant have it in him.  And him at Great Northern so suddenly?  Nope, sorry, not
buying it..

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     Why, and how, did Ben suddenly change when his wife came barging in
to his scene with the Haywards?  Before he sounded troubled, but at least
honest -- genuinely trying to do the right thing but going about it in the
most wrong way.  Afterwards his voice lost all its conviction; he sounded
merely wimpy and afraid, giving Doc Hayward the righteousness with which to
deck him.  But then why the spooky music and the bowtie twitching?  Was Ben
harboring another spirit all along (the OAM's pointing to him in 10/8)?

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Is it just a coincidence that Audrey dies just after we find
out that Donna is another daughter of Ben?  Sounds good to me.
In the forthcoming Twin Peaks movie Donna will get to do neat
stuff that Audrey used to do. She will stop being such a wimp.  
She's been on a roll since James left.

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Isn't there a temporal continuity problem?  Ben gets killed
the night of or the early morning after the Miss Twin Peakls contest.
His wife is a witness to this.  Yet Audrey is chaining herself to the mast
in defense of the Pine Weasel the morning after, supposedly ignorant of her 
father's fate.  (This I didn't like since I like the character of Ben and
ALSO wanted to know what scared him int he episode previous!  But I have
to admit it took me by complete surprise!)

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+    -- Andrew switches the mystery key with another he has for a safety
+       deposit box
+    -- Cooper and Truman find Pete's truck.  They head into the woods.
+       Cooper goes alone, with Truman following, and sees an owl and the
+       sycamore trees.  He enters the curtains into the red room.  The
+       little man from another place is there.  Another man sings, then
+       disappears.
+    -- Andy comes looking for Truman
+ 
+ 27 Mar (Monday)
+ 
+   Morning
+    -- 10 hours later, Truman and Andy are still waiting for Cooper
+ 
+   7:25 am (Andrew's watch)
+    -- Audrey practices civil disobedience and chains herself to the bank 
+       vault.  Andrew and Pete arrive and open the safety deposit box to 
+       discover a bomb that goes off.  Eckhardt's note: Got you, Andrew, 
+       Love, Thomas.

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*** Bank scene
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Is there any meaning to be attached to the bank guard's jubilant exclamation of
"It's a boy, it's a boy..."?  Who was he talking to?  Who had the baby (if this
is what "It's a boy" means here)?

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Thomas Eckhart is not wearing glasses, nor visibly carrying any.  The glasses
that go flying are not his; if they were, Lynch would have at least shown them
somewhere during the sequence.
 
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Nobody has commented on the joke on Audrey; she didn't chain the bank door
shut, which would normally be the whole point of this sort of disobedience
(disrupt the normal flow of things).

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The vault looks like this:

              ====== - Audrey - ======
                       /
           XX        / path taken by Dell et al
           XX      /
    !             /
    !   XX  ____/
    !   XX    /
    !       /   XX
    !     / XX
    !    !
    !   \!/
    +----------------------------------

Audrey watches them walk back, then closes the door again mostly.
When Dell is called back out, Andrew quickly opens the door;
Dell couldn't have gotten much further than where Audrey is.
We get a shot of the inside of the box: the note says,

    Got you, Andrew
        Love,
        Thomas

We get a reaction shot of Andrew and Pete (Andrew scared, Pete puzzled),
then a shot of an explosion in the box, coming outwards; reaction
shot of Andrew & Pete brightly lit fade to white; outside the bank,
two windows and the door blow out with a lot of smoke, but the near
window frame is relatively intact afterwards; Dell's glasses fly
through the air.

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Can't wait for the movie, though I'll miss Jack Nance. I can't believe Lynch
would have killed off someone who's such a favorite of his.

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> > Lynch intends to make a movie without Audrey and Pete?....no no no

Somehow I can't imagine Lynch unemploying Jack Nance...!

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Can we assume that Audrey, Pete and Andrew are dead. 
How sad! Now we will never know how the fish got into the coffee pot.

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It's too bad Pete and Audrey bought the farm, but I think Andrew got precisely
what he deserved.

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  Just a thought:
       If Audrey & Co. are toast and since the quaint old man never called
the police or the Gazette, that makes for an odd picture...How would an
investigator explain the fact that Ben Horne's daughter had been chained
to the gate of the vault before the explosion?  It's the stuff Enquirer
articles are made of. . .

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I'm hoping that Audrey, Andrew, and Pete ARE dead. 
  Just because it wouldn't be a rip-off that way.
  
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> >  I'm hoping that Audrey, Andrew, and Pete ARE dead. 
> >  Just because it wouldn't be a rip-off that way.

Well, Andrew has to be dead. How could he not be? Pete was standing behind
Andrew so there is a chance that he could be alive. Audrey was on the other
side of the rather large (surrounded by steel) vault. I'd bet that she is
still alive.

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Very surprised about Audrey being in the bank during the explosion.  However, I
guess she can afford to have her character (possibly) killed off.  She
certainly has gained enough publicity from TP!

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Was anyone else very annoyed by the scene with the old man at the bank..
walking.. very.. slowly.. to.. wherever.. it..  was.. he.. was.. going?  ARGH!
Especially since Coop was in the Lodge at the same time..

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> > Was anyone else very annoyed by the scene with the old man at the bank..
> > walking.. very.. slowly.. to.. wherever.. it..  was.. he.. was.. going?  ARGH!
> > Especially since Coop was in the Lodge at the same time..

Annoyed?  Hell no.  Classic, I mean *CLASSIC* Lynch.  It was
hilarious.  I also felt sad, in some ways, for older people.

Did you notice the close-up shot of the woman bank teller who was
sleeping?  Did it remind you of a scene in "Eraserhead?"

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The scene with the banker toddling back and forth between Audrey, the
water cooler and the sleeping (dead?) clerk was incredible.  Will go
into television history.

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I loved the scenes with the old banker.  They were EXCRUCIATING to watch,
especially with the story in the WL/BL developing.  The fact that Lynch
used it before made it even more painful, because you knew it would take
_forever_.

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I thought that the scene with the bank manager was about the only
redeeming feature of the whole two hours.

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Loved Dell the bank manager.  There's nothing like a dead stop to make you
appreciate breakneck speeds.

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Why does Lynch let Senor Droolcup and the bank teller walk so
s-l-o--w-l-y?  I think Lynch noticed the same thing that Kubrick 
discovered in 2001.  You can control an audience with 
speed.  Fast speed a la Star Wars gets you there, but so does
slow speed. Remember Kubrick's slow, stately space ship to 
Jupitar.  Lynch's version of that slow space ship
are these old, senile men in crucial situations.  Of course,
when it doesn't work, it irritates us.  Senor Droolcup, last September, 
did not work me, but I liked the bank teller.  I was on the floor
laughing.

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Was no one else struck by the 
similarity bewteen the bank manager, walking with such trouble to give Audrey
a cup of water, and Senor Droolcup, taking forever to bring Coop his Joe?
Marx said, all great figures in history appear twice: the first time as 
tragedy, the second as farce.  Here the order is reversed (leaving aside the
question of greatness)!

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Speaking of Wild at Heart, I noticed last night that the hotel manager
in New Orleans is Del the banker in the TP finale!! Same thick black
glasses, suit and hilarious body language.

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> >Speaking of Wild at Heart, I noticed last night that the hotel manager
> >in New Orleans is Del the banker in the TP finale!! Same thick black
> >glasses, suit and hilarious body language.

Yep, the only difference was that in Wild at Heart, he had a four-legged
cain.  I think I liked him better without it (in TP).  The way Lynch had
him walk was just hilarious.  Sometimes I wonder if Lynch has something
against old people; he always portrays them in such a comical fashion.

Also, didn't anyone notice that the full-screen shots of fire that were
interspersed thoughout the Black Lodge sequence were taken from Wild
at Heart as well?

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  I was watching my video tape of the final episode yesterday w/ the
possibility in mind that Catherine planted the bomb.  I watched her
place the key in the cake saver for "safe keeping."  Later when
Andrew went to switch keys, I noticed that the key and key tag were
arranged differently.  This seemed to indicate to me that catherine
had already taken the key and later returned it.

  The note w/ the bomb seemed to smack of Eckhardt though...

  Plot by Catherine or continuity error? - You decide!

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How about this.. Catherine planted the bomb in the safety deposit box because
she was getting sick of Andrews taking over.  Only she didnt think that Pete
would be there.. or maybe she didnt care..

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Yes, Catherine planted the bomd...the question is, what did Catherine take 
out of the deposit box before she planted the bomb ???

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How could anyone think that Catherine blew up her own brother?  Yes, she
doesn't _trust_ him, but sure as rain in Oregon it was Eckhardt who planted the
"Got you" surprise for Andrew.  After attacking the box with a rolling pin and
a pistol, I enjoyed his comeuppance, until realizing its full significance!

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Someone (i forgot which post--sorry!) suggested that catherine got to
the safety deposit box first and placed the bomb.  This seems possible:
the note was addressed to Andrew.  However, the original Chinease
puzzle box was given to Catherine.  How could Eckhardt have known that
ANDREW would be the one to finally solve the puzzle.

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> > Why couldn't
> > Eckhart have just left the box/bomb setup around "in case of his death"?

With a note that said "Got you, Andrew" -- addressed to a person he didn't even
know was alive until about a half hour before his own death?

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> > That bomb could have been planted years ago, when Eckhart and Andrew
> > first got mad at each other.  

I still don't buy it.  The box was given to Catherine, and was given by
Eckhardt's secretary (or whatever she was to him).  This woman had no idea
Andrew was still alive, either; and nobody had a motive for killing Catherine
(well, nobody in THAT group, anyway).

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I think you are right about Catherine letting him get the key.  It is also
possible that the uxorious Pete didn't catch him by accident, but was put on
watch by Catherine to make sure that if it wasn't a trap, he would protect her
interests. If it was a trap, then she was rid of both of them, giving her sole
ownership of the Mill and the development.

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Regarding Audrey and Pete:  Audrey was some distance away from the
blast which took place in a very large room.  Furthermore, the bomb
appeared to be simple explosive and not a pipe bomb or something more
deadly.  The blast was undoubtedly channeled by the shape of the safety
deposit box so that Packard got it full force in the head.  That would
have absorbed a lot of the energy and Pete off to the right was
probably well shielded by the door of the box.

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As Marge Simpson would say, "HmmmmmmmmmmMM!" Somebody's glasses blew out the
door of the bank, or out a window.  If they were the old banker's glasses it
must have been some blast, since he was nowhere near the bomb.  If they were
Andrew's, they would have had to blow around a corner, out the vault door, and
then outside, again making it quite some blast.  I doubt Andrew's bulk would be
effective at shielding something like that.

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I predict that Audrey and Pete recover from their injuries, but due to
the intensity of the blast, they HAVE TO TALK LIKE THIS SO THEY CAN HEAR
THEMSELVES JUST LIKE GORDON COLE DOES!!  Audrey will then become a sucessful
lecturer on ecology, since she won't need a PA system to be heard.  Pete 
will become President, due to a nostalgic craze for Ronald Reagan's can't-
hear-you-the-the-helicopter's-too-damn-loud pres conferences.

Or else they're grilled meat patties (with head wounds, of course).

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Pete dead?  Audrey dead? - Audrey first.  In the spirit
of "keeping up with the Palmers", the Horne's have started a filial
life-taking ritual.  Pete?  He was one of the nicer guys on the cast,
though I could never figure out how he could handle Catherine's dealing,
and helping out the Bookhouse boys at the same time.  While he was supposed
to come off as clueless, he consistently showed that he was on top of things,
esp. with Josie.  So, what's the deal? I can only think that should some later
revitalization of TP come about that both Jack Nance and Ms. Fenn
want their contracts open.  Too bad as I liked both characters!

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Since bank vaults often have time locks, just as the Black Lodge does,
maybe the events at the bank  parallel events at the Lodge.
Here is one mapping from the characters at the bank to characters
in the Black Lodge:

 A. Packard ------- W. Earle
 P. Martell ------- D. Cooper
 A. Horne   ------- A. Blackburn   (hmmm, why is Black in her name?)
 Old Man    ------- SDC

So assuming that corresponding individuals suffered the same fates,
we can assume Andrew bought it, Pete is in pretty bad shape,
and Audrey is pretty much okay.

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There will never be an answer to what happened with the 
bank explosion, but if there were, it could easily run 
like the cliffhanger resolutions in the old matinee 
serials (such as Republic Pictures "Zombies of the 
Stratosphere"), in which a sure-death calamity (like 
a car going over a cliff, the driver unconscious) is 
revealed in the next episode to be only part of what 
happened (driver actually wakes at the last second, 
throws himself clear). 
 
For example, episode 3001 could open with Pete's & 
Andrew's faces being briefly lit by a flashbulb 
attached (for some reason) to the bomb, before they 
turn and dash out, pausing to free Audrey with the 
bolt-cutters Pete had brought in case there was something 
hard to open inside the safe-deposit box. Cut to those 
three, along with the whole bank staff, exiting the building 
and running away across the parking lot. Medium shot 
as all stop, sheltering from the coming blast in the 
lee of an armored truck. Audrey asks, "Is everybody
okay?"

The group answers with murmured affirmatives. Dell 
says "I just wish I hadn't left my other glasses 
on the windowsill by the artificial rubber tree."
 
Then the bank blows up. 
 
Would this be a narrative cheat? Sure, but it would
also be a clever homage to the Golden Age of American
Film.

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Remember what Annie Wilkes did in "Misery" when she found out the
sequel to her movie caused a "cheat."  (i.e., a plausible ending
where a flashbulb goes off and every one has enough timeto
escape from the bank.  If Lynch indeed ever does this, he should
stay out of places where it snows!)

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    I seem to recall some talk awhile back that Sherrilyn Fenn was
planning on leaving Twin Peaks to do some film work.  I thought the case
was that they were going to write her out in a way that would allow her to
come back at a later point.  Perhaps this was how it was going to be done -
with her in a coma or somesuch (perhaps swaddled from head to toe in
bandages) after the bank incident.

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It occured to me that perhaps Audrey and Pete bit the dust for a
purpose.  Why would the writers build up the Audrey/Coop storyline at
the beginning of the Peaks saga if not to have Audrey save Coop from the
Black Lodge (not to mention its terrible black joe)?

Why would the writers build up Pete's storyline after months of
obscurity and turn him into a chess guru if not to have him help Audrey
and Coop figure out a way out of the Black Lodge?

I guess what I'm hoping for is an end to the incredibly boring Annie
character.  Coop deserves someone with a brain and street smarts like
Audrey.  To hell with the age difference; it's not like he's old enough
to be drinking decaffeinated coffee.

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"I lived in my head mostly."                | Jim Pellmann (jgp@rational.com)
"That's not a bad neighborhood."            | RATIONAL
"There were some pretty strange neighbors." | Santa Clara, California

Anyone catch Lynch on the TOnight show last night? I stayed up late (well, 
for me ;-) to see it. Here's what I think:

Lynch is borderline autisitc (IMO). He reminds me of a friend of mine 
who suffers from the same problem. He seemed to have a *serious*problem keeping
up a conversation. Leno didn't help much (he isn't very good IMHO). He'd just
get Lynch talking on something good, like Philadelphia, and then Leno would
move on (what really got me about this was Lynch said "You know, I think I had
my first original thought in Philadelphia", and Leno CHANGED THE TOPIC! My god,
wouldn't *you* like to know what the man's first original thought was?)

Leno gave Lynch a speaker froma drive-in; apparently he thought it was
a Lynch sort of thing. Kind of a nice touch.

Lynch is coming out with a photo book on "spark plugs and dental
hygene." I know *I* am looking forward to it.

No mention of any new films... I think Lynch is having a "blank"
period. No mention of his kids or anyone new in his life either.

The best part of the interview was the clip they showed. It was GREAT!
Thirty seconds, the context of which eludes me totally, and it had me on the
very edge of my seat. It's a shame Grace Z. didn't get more time in the season.
She is an amazing actress. Ray Wise is up to snuff as Leland (it appears). His
acting, if anything looks to have improved.

Other than that, they showed a slide of a little head of clay Lynch 
made. He filled it with turkey and cheese and photographed the ants as they
crawled around in it. I think he is returning to his painting roots, more's
the pity for fans of non-putrid TV. 

All in all, a good interview, in spite of Leno's bumbling. The audience
seemed to be rooting for Lynch, and I'd have to say he is quite a snappy 
dresser. He seems quieter in real life than as Gordon Cole, or from what one
hears about him when he's on the set.

Oh, one more thing. He loves the smell of gasoline on water. I guess
he'll never be Greenpeace's poster child ;-)


Please don't flame me if this is incoherent. I took a "no drowsy" Claritin
a while ago. The only way Claritin is non drowsy is if you take the pill
then wash it down with 9 or 10 pots of coffee. Maybe I'll take one before
I go see the movie tomorrow (less than 24 hours now... my heart is racing!).
It should make the whole experience that much more dreamy and surreal.
Especially after the amount of coffee and donuts I plan to consume.

Later
Mike
ps anyone know why Dennis/Denise didn't show up for FWWM? I would've
enjoyed that.

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+    -- Bobby tells Shelly he wants to marry her.  Heidi arrives for work.

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*** Deja vu
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Repeated dialogue. The entire scene in the RR Diner, with the german
  girl we haven't seen since the pilot movie, repeating the same damned
  thing ("couldn't jumpstart the old man?" etc...) Weird. And we see
  Mrs. Horne again, too...
  
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Great of Lynch to bring back the old characters.  The German waitress, Sylvia
Horne, Leland (did anyone notice his hair changing color while talking to
Cooper?), Maddy, Laura (my, can that girl scream!), LMFAP and Ronnette.  Yea
for not bringing back James!

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After Shelley makes her
remark about ``...jump starting your old man'', Shelley and Bobby say,
in chorus: ``AGAIN!''  This is not in the pilot (I checked).  There
seems to be a nice double entendre here: Shelley and Bobby teasing
Heidi for being late one more time; and the writers winking at the
audience and saying, ``Don't you feel a sense of deja vu at this
scene?''

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Right after the penultimate episode, I posted a list of things that I would
like to see and not like to see. Most of them did come true. I was hoping to
see Sarah Palmer, Laura, Maddy, the Giant, and LMFAP. My biggest disappointment
in the show was that there was no Albert. Of course, there wasn't any logical
reason for him to be in the episode, I was hoping he'd show up anyway, perhaps
he'd feel compelled to be there from a dream or something. Thankfully,
preliminary reports pertaining to _Twin Peaks: The Motion Picture_ indicate
that Albert will be back. I thought it was a nice touch bringing back Ronette
Pulaski, too.

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A friend pointed out to me that much of
the last episode sort of answered or reprised elements from last
season's finale:

Last season, Nadine tried to commit suicide, leaving us with the
question of whether she would live or die and with the possibility of
Ed and Norma having a non-clandestine relationship.  This season,
Nadine, the old Nadine, finally returns, seemingly torpedoing Ed and
Norma's plans to marry (not to mention Mike).

Last season, Pete rushed into a burning building to save one Packard
(Catherine) and we were left uncertain as to their fate; this year
Pete accompanied another Packard (Andrew) to what seems like certain
death.

Last season, Audrey was in danger of discovery by her father, this
season she is in danger of death.  (Given the L shape of the vault,
it's just possible that she was shielded from the full force of the
blast.  Maybe.)

Last year Leo was shot by Hank---an even bigger bully than Leo---and
his fate was uncertain; this season Leo was booby-trapped by Windom
Earle---perhaps the biggest bully on the earthly plane in TP, and
certainly in the same kind of domineering relation to Leo that Hank
was---and is left hanging on by his teeth, literally.

And, finally, last season ended with the climactic scene of Cooper
getting shot, with the fade to black, and the body thump, leaving us
wondering for his physical well-being; this season ends with the still
more disturbing image of Coop confronting his Bob-self in the mirror,
leaving us in deep worry about his psychic/spiritual well-being.

[There's also the tantalizing scene of Major Briggs in the diner,
receiving the message that Cooper is in the Black Lodge, which is a
throw-away in a true finale, but a hint that the Major may play a role
in Cooper's rescue (redemption?) in a continuing series.]

It's one hell of a season finale; if only it could have had the
patented TP ``...To Be Continued''.

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+    -- Leo still surviving

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*** Leo
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What will happen to Leo?  The guy is left hanging by a string.. (bad pun)
Were those tarantulas up there?

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Tarantulas don't usually bite people unless provoked.  Leo may survive.

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     How conscious is Leo?  If fully, why doesn't he take advantage of the
fact and free himself, either getting the appropriate keys while Windom's
out or by brute strength?  What happened to the madman from the first
season?

     Kinda unexpected that even Leo would turn out to have a good side
("save Shelly...") at the end.  Maybe love IS enough after all.  =)  By the
way, Leo's been at Windom's hideaway for quite some time now -- he should
have longer stubble to show for it.  Unless Windom has been shaving him...

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Of course, when he comes to after being stung by all those spiders, he'll
either 1) return to the original Leo; 2) start showing a romantic interest
in high school wrestling jocks; 3) look in the mirror and see Dale Cooper;
4) open a chic little Lebanese restaurant out in the woods; 5) wander the
streets of Twin Peaks zapping himself with the Remote from Hell; 6) fart
twice and die.

It could happen!!

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It has been mentioned before that Lynch is making fun of the public.
This was never so clearly explained (at least to me) then through
the use of the spiders above Leo. The viewing public are represented
as the spiders in the cage, not being able to change their fate (i.e.,
not being able to affect changes in the show). The string represents
twin peaks (the show) and how at this time it is being held on by a 
thread. Leo kinda represents the balance the show is in, i.e., what
will happen in the future. It also represents a vision of the 
cliff hanger that Twin Peaks is known for.
Those are my thoughts anyway.

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+    -- Jacoby brings Sarah to Mr. and Mrs. Briggs.  Sarah has a message for
+       Garland:  "I'm in the Black Lodge...with Dale Cooper.  I'm waiting
+       for you."

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*** Sarah
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Who "channeled" through Sarah to give a message to Major briggs and what
was he supposed to do with it? We didn't see him for the rest of the show.

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I noticed that the voice of Bob in Mrs. Palmer as she said to Briggs "I'm in
the black lodge with Cooper" was exactly the same as the "power" voice in Dune.

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>> >>      I noticed that the voice of Bob in Mrs. Palmer as she
>> >>      said to Briggs "I'm in the black lodge with Cooper" was exactly
>> >>      the same as the "power" voice in Dune.
> >
> >   I thought that it was not Bob or Windom Earl (neither of which would
> >   make sense to be sending a message to the Major).  Rather, I think it
> >   was Cooper saying "I'm in the black lodge with Windom Earle" - I
> >   definitely heard two parts to the name, and the second part was "er..."

I had assumed it was Laura, saying she was in the Black Lodge with
Cooper.  Since most of Mrs. Palmer's visions, etc., seemed to be
related to things happening to Laura (and at that point I don't think
we had actually SEEN Laura yet) I just figured that a ghostly voice
coming from Mrs. Palmer would be Laura's.

Any other votes?  Annie?  The Dwarf?

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> >Since Major Briggs APPARENTLY passed his test (facing the Black Lodge and
> >reaching the White Lodge as he said previously that he believed this 
> >is what happened to him during his dissapearance?), he is the logical
> >choice to go in after Cooper's good self (assuming BOB is in control of
> >Cooper's evil doppleganger.).

Suppose...maybe the Major is *just* as posessed as Coop...
Anyone want to follow up on that idea?  Perhaps the message Sarah
Palmer delivered to him was one of "OK, time for you to begin Phase III
of operation 'Life-Force-Sucking-Owls' - go after the Log Lady..."

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>> >>The "voice that Sarah Palmer speaks" was that of Windom Earle.

> >What makes you so sure? 

Well, I'm hearing impaired. Not deaf, just hard of hearing enough that
I need to use a Closed Caption Decoder to understand most of what's said on
a TV. Twin Peaks did have closed captions.

The people who actually type in the captions do so from a printed script of
the show as part of the original video recording process. Sometimes when a
character speaks, his/her voice will have an unusual aspect, and this will be
noted on the captions, as "gasping" is used below, for example:

(gasping)"We've got to get out of here"

In this case, it said:

(voice of Windom Earle)"I'm in the Black Lodge with Agent Cooper."

That's where I'm coming from with my statement that Sarah's voice was that
of Windom Earle's.

One advantage of this is that I get (i.e., read) *every single* word of a
TV show. If any of you folks have some segment on the tape where you can't
figure out what was said because of background music or something, let me
know and I'll watch my tape and check it out for you.

What this *means* is something else. It certainly points out that WE had
some power to inhabit other people in a manner similar to BOB.

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+    -- Cooper and the little man from another place sitting in the red room.
+       LMFAP:  When you see me again, it won't be me.  This is the waiting room.
+               Would you like some coffee?  Some of your friends are here.
+       Laura:  Hello Agent Cooper.  {winks, snaps her fingers}  I'll see you
+               again in 25 years.  Meanwhile... {presents her hands}
+       Great Northern room service waiter:  Hoo! Woo, woo, woo, woo {with hand
+               in front of mouth--the "Indian noise"}  Hallelujah!
+       LMFAP:  Hallelujah!
+       GNRSW:  Coffee.  Coffee.  Coffee.  Coffee.  Coffee.  Coffee. {sets down
+               solid coffee for Cooper}
+       Giant:  One and the same.
+       {LMFAP rubs his hands.  Cooper picks up his coffee - it's liquid.  When
+               he's about to drink, it's solid.  LMFAP continues rubbing his
+               hands.  The coffee's liquid.  LMFAP continues rubbing his
+               hands.  The coffee's viscous.}
+       LMFAP:  Wow, Bob, wow.  Fire walk with me.
+       {Fire.  A scream.  Strobe effect.  Cooper walks to the other room.
+               Identical furniture but empty.  Back to the original room.}
+       LMFAP:  Wrong way
+       {Cooper goes back to to the other room.  LMFAP babbles excitedly. Then:}
+       LMFAP:  Another friend.
+       {Maddy enters wearing a black dress identical to Laura's.  LMFAP
+               continues to babble, ducks behind a chair.}
+       Maddy:  I'm Maddy.  Watch out for my cousin. {can't see whether her eyes
+               are white}
+       {Cooper goes back to the original room.  It's empty.  Then:}
+       LMFAP (shadow self):  Doppelganger
+       Laura  (shadow self):  {presenting hands}  {angrily}  Meanwhile
+               {screams, climbs up on the chair}
+       {Back to the other room.  Empty, but Cooper is bleeding from his stomach.
+       There's a trail of blood on the floor-- Cooper follows it back to the
+               original room.  Caroline and Cooper on the floor bleeding.  No,
+               it's Annie.  Annie gets up.}
+       Cooper:  Caroline?  Annie?  Annie?  Annie?  Annie?  Annie?  Annie?
+       {Cooper goes back to the other room.  Annie/Caroline is standing there,
+               wearing the black dress from the pageant}
+       Annie:  Dale.  I saw the face of the man who killed me.
+       Cooper:  Annie...the face of the man who killed you?
+       Annie:  It was my husband.
+       Cooper:  Annie?
+       Annie:  Who's Annie?  It's me, it's me, it's me.
+       Cooper:  Caroline?
+       {Annie changes to Caroline (shadow self), in Caroline's dress}
+       Caroline (shadow self):  You must be mistaken.  I'm alive.
+       {Laura (shadow self) screaming, then turns into Windom Earle.}
+       {Annie, in pageant dress, appears off to the side, vanishes}
+       Earle:  Dale Cooper.  If you give me your soul, I'll let Annie live.
+       Cooper:  I will.
+       {Earle stabs Cooper.  Fire.  Rewind.  BOB appears, grabs Earle}
+       BOB:  {to Earle}  Be quiet.  Be quiet.  {to Cooper}  You go.  He is wrong.
+               He can't ask for your soul.  I will take his.  {a spout of fire
+               appears over Earle's head, and his head slumps forward}
+       {Cooper's shadow self enters as Cooper leaves, crouches beside BOB, and
+               laughs with him}
+       {Cooper exits into the hallway}
+       Leland (shadow self):  I did not kill anybody.
+       {Cooper's shadow self chases Cooper and catches up to him.  BOB laughs.}
+ 
+ 
+    Night
+    -- Cooper and Annie are back
+    -- Will tends to Cooper in his bed.  Annie's at the hospital and will be
+       okay.  Cooper gets up, "I need to brush my teeth."  In the bathroom,
+       BOB has Cooper ram his head into the mirror.  "How's Annie?!"
+ [End of timeline]

Discussion of the Black Lodge sequence is divided into the following topics:

*** Annie
*** Cooper at the mirror
*** Doppelgangers
*** Giant/Senor Droolcup
*** Glastonberry Grove
*** Inconsistencies
*** Laura Palmer
*** Pathetic theories
*** Room configuration
*** What it all means
*** Windom Earle

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*** Annie
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A couple people have said that Annie was dopplegangized at the time she entered
the circle of trees (they said, "Look closely at her eyes").  I did look
closely at her eyes, and, to me, they look quite a bit different from the
dopplegangers' eyes we see later in the BL.  The dopplegangers' eyes are
clearly glazed over to the point that the irises can't be seen; Annie's irises
can still be seen after she enters the tree circle.  I think that she has been
enchanted or entranced, not dopplegangized.

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Annie is kidnapped from the pagaent,, and a few scenes later we see
Norma happily hanging out with Big Dumb Ed. Dont you think she would be 
a tad worried about her sister? Also Shelly  didnt seem to worried about
her. Dont tell me no one noticed she had disappeared??

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The words that Annie was reciting while WE was dragging her into the grove
were not the 23rd Psalm, as suggested earlier, but the 141 Psalm (A Prayer
for Preservation from Evil).  The part I was able to identify matched the
last verse from the King James version: "Let the wicked fall into their own
nets, whilst I withal escape."  However I couldn't make out all of what she
was saying, so she may have quoted other passages too.

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Who cares how Annie is?  What the *%#$ happened to Josie???

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*** Cooper at the mirror
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I went to see the finale at a friend's house in Beaverton, Oregon,
about 190 miles south of the Double-R Diner.  As you know, the finale
featured many lights out, flashing lights, strobe lights, etc. scenes.
Well, we got to the point of anti-Coop saying he needed to brush his
teeth (about 3 minutes from the end) and BOOM!, a large explosion,
and the neighborhood was plunged into darkness.  Voices drift across
the patio from elsewhere in the neighborhood, "It must be BOB!"
After about 30 seconds, I begin to think it might very well be BOB,
'cause I am about to miss the ending of the whole series after watching
it for two years.  Well, the Major must have been looking out
for us, because in about another 30 seconds, the power returned leaving
us with the image of those two headbangers, BOB and anti-COOP, at the
mirror.  Maybe love (or the Bonneville Power Administration) is enough.

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I was kind of disappointed in the ending.  Here is the great and evil Bob
and the worst thing he can do is squeeze the tube of toothpaste from the
middle.   ;-)

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For Cooper to
have been trapped by BOB, it would mean that he still hasn't learned
from his experience with Caroline, and also that he is weak.  We've
heard Hawk (perhaps an expert on spiritual strength) say that Cooper is
strong and we've also learned from his experience with Audrey that
Cooper can separate his logical thought from his love.  --perhaps if
Cooper had confronted his "dweller on the threshold" instead of
running in fear.

Did Cooper end up failing because of what we saw as "fear" while in the
Black Lodge?  In addition to the dweller conflict, when Laura was screaming, 
he ran away and found himself bleeding-- was this a result of his fear?
During this scene, the bleeding reminded me of "... it's not so bad as long 
as long as you can keep the fear from your mind..."

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> >For Cooper to
> >have been trapped by BOB, it would mean that he still hasn't learned
>from his experience with Caroline, and also that he is weak. 

Weak! Smeak!  Coop wasn't weak he sacrificed himself for Annie's life.
Remember WE asking Coop if he would give him his soul for Annie's life.  Coop
without hesitating agreed.  Only thing it was a trap.  WE couldn't take Coop's
soul, but BOB could.  At that point Coop was trapped.  He may have blundered,
but I refuse to beleive he was weak.

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Who thinks that 1) Coop's twin as bob got out and
Coop is still trapped inside the lodge, or 2) bob has taken over
Coop's body?

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I noticed that, just before Coop and Annie re-appeared in Glastonbury
Circle, one of the Coops caught the other one in one of the red
rooms.  I hope this meant the the Coop who reappeared is a
conglomerate of the two, doing internal spritual battle for control. 
That would explain why Coop (the good one) smashes his head against
the mirror on realizing that he is harboring Bob.

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So did Cooper really let BOB in when he agreed to surrender his soul in
return for Annie's life (even though BOB said WE couldn't make that exchange,
he didn't say *he* couldn't!)?  Or did the doppelganger Cooper merely overpower
Dale and make it back to physical reality in his place?  I wonder if TP would
have taken this particular plot twist if Lynch et al hadn't needed a bang-up,
shock ending for the series climax?  If the show picks up again in some form,
will Coop struggle from within against BOB, or is the good Coop still back
in the Lodge?  Will the good Coop only appear in visions and through owls?
Will he really have to wait 20 or 25 years to escape?  Will he age in the
meantime?  Aaaaggghhh... I don't want the show to be over!!!

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I thought that the "...in 25 years..." quote referred to what we saw in
the first dream-- Cooper was an old man, 25 years in the future sitting
with the LMFAP and Laura.

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As soon as Coop mentioned brushing his teeth, I thought bathroom,...
mirror,... BOB!... NO!  I didn't read any of the Rolling Stone articles with 
the predictions until after 6/10.  I'm sure that you too would have guessed 
what was going to happen even without having read the predictions.  I think 
it was intentionally obvious.  Lynch could have gotten Coop in front of a 
mirror in a much more subtle way, but instead used a rather obvious 
approach.  The whole time Coop was walking to the bathroom and squeezing
the toothpaste, I was saying to myself "No, not Coop. No...", yet was 
still shocked when he smashed his head against the mirror.

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> >What about Cooper saying "I Will" to Windom Earle's request to him
> >about trading his soul for Annie's life?  Is THIS why Bob now has
> >Cooper?  Note that Bob popped right in at that point, but mentioned
> >that Windom had overstepped his "authority"...Hmmmm......

Yes! As a netter noticed (try saying THAT five times fast!), WE did not 
have the authority but BoB DID! I think Coop really lost it when he *ran* 
from his darker side instead of confronting it. When it caught him, it 
overpowered him and replaced him in the real world.

The combination of these two things ("I will" and running/being caught) 
caused Coop to fail the "test"

By the way...

I knew...i KNew....I KNEW!...Annie was going to get Coop in trouble. I KNEW 
IT !!!!

COOP drop ANNIE!! (you should've done it along time ago bud)

Now we have CooBob to deal with.

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>> >>What about Cooper saying "I Will" to Windom Earle's request to him
>> >>about trading his soul for Annie's life?  Is THIS why Bob now has
>> >>Cooper?  Note that Bob popped right in at that point, but mentioned
>> >>that Windom had overstepped his "authority"...Hmmmm......
> >
> >This may have been a test of Cooper's love for Annie-- I guess he 
> >"passed" this part?  Although he failed otherwise.

I think he "passed" this part by reacting with love rather than fear.
Later, when he runs from doppelganger-Laura and his own doppelganger,
he fails because he's reacting with fear.  I think.

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> >What about Cooper saying "I Will" to Windom Earle's request to him
> >about trading his soul for Annie's life?  Is THIS why Bob now has
> >Cooper?  Note that Bob popped right in at that point, but mentioned
> >that Windom had overstepped his "authority"...Hmmmm......

I'd like to point out that Cooper didn't SELL his soul, he SACRIFICED
it to save Annie.  Pretty powerful stuff, that, at least in classic
epic literature.  That's why I believe it's not Cooper that Bob's
possessing, but, as many have pointed out, the doppelganger, and it
won't take much effort for Cooper to break free and put Bob back in
the Black Lodge.

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IMHO, Cooper and the BOB/Coop are one and the same.  His double caught
up with him in the Lodge.  They are both in the bathroom brushing their
teeth (well gee, kinda, sorta).  The key will be to extract BOB/Coop from 
Cooper.  I guess he has to wait 25 year until the Lodge is open again. (?)

It's just too depressing to have to leave Twin Peaks thinking that there
aren't any good guys.  What a pessimistic view of the world!

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Does BOB now control Cooper's soul?  I think that Cooper assenting to take
Annie's place granted BOB the authority to release Cooper's dark side.  (I
think that Coop's doppleganger did not appear until after this scene.)  Cooper
failed to defeat (or refute, disable or unconjure) his dark side (so far).  I
think that it is this dark side that has been released into the world and that
the "good" Coop is still wandering the halls of the Lodge.

This scenario scares me a little more.  Cooper must have witnessed some pretty
awful examples of human behavior as an Agent of the FBI.  There must have been
times when he wished he could go outside the law to punish a criminal.  When
his normal, good self  is in control, such impluses are dismissed.  But with
the good interred in the Black Lodge the bad is free to act out all not only
all his revenge impulses, but could recreate and re-enact many of the horrors
he had witnessed professionally.  Brrrrrrh.  Kind of turns Cooper into a
Hannibal Lector type, only scarier.

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I really enjoyed the (sigh) last episode last night.  I had a
slightly different take on the Cooper possession by Bob than has,
so far, appeared in this group.  

I saw the whole Windom Earle arc revealed as a ruse by BOB to get
Cooper to go into the Black Lodge.  Cooper, not WE, was BOB's real
target.  After all, it was Cooper, not WE, who posed a genuine
threat to BOB.  BOB waited until Cooper surrendered his soul to
WE, (a BOB minion) then dismissed WE and claimed the offered soul
for himself.  This was the permission that BOB needed to possess
Coop.   So Love doesn't conquer all....

However, I also don't see this as the end.  I think that Cooper's soul
is trapped inside the black lodge awaiting a rescue by a contingent of
the Bookhouse Boys (Briggs, Harry, etc.).  Also, Annie is (I think)
still alive.  She could be the one who frees Cooper.  Earlier in the
show when Cooper was dictating a memo to Diane he remarked that Annie
(Love) had liberated him from his self imposed prison of solitude.
And she did escape from meeting her own "dweller on the threshold" in
the Black Lodge.  Maybe she now possesses the strength and power to go
back in and free Coop.  Maybe Love does conquer all....

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It just occurred to me.  No, I'm lying.  It occurred to me the
first time I watched the last show (I've watched it 3 times
since ... ) perhaps Special Agent Dale Cooper has been
evil since the beginning.  Perhaps he has been a host to BOB
for longer that we think ...

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Those of you who are so upset that Bob possessed Coop, take heart,
it may be only the doppleganger. Coop may still be in the lodge,
because someone sent the message to Briggs through Sara Palmer.
If all else fails, go back and watch "Darth Vader goes to heaven!"
from the end of Star Wars III. Happy ending!

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As for Coop's present situation.  The LMFAP did say "doppleganger"
before WE, BOB and the evil Coop appeared.  My feeling is that Dale
is trapped in the Black Lodge, while his doppleganger is free to
roam the material plane.  I think it will be up to the Major (and
Annie?) to rescue him.  (I also think Truman is not up to the task.)

  As for Annie, did she make it out of the BL?  She didn't look to
good laying next to Coop in the clearing.  Perhaps she did die, and
Truman lied to spare Coops feelings upon his recovery?

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> >   As for Coop's present situation.  The LMFAP did say "doppleganger"
> > before WE, BOB and the evil Coop appeared.  My feeling is that Dale
> > is trapped in the Black Lodge, while his doppleganger is free to
> > roam the material plane.  I think it will be up to the Major (and
> > Annie?) to rescue him.  (I also think Truman is not up to the task.)
> > 

I agree that Coop is trapped in the Lodge and his doppleganger is roaming
the material world.  As for his rescue, I think that Albert is the likely
choice (with the Major's help).  If the way to overcome evil is through love,
Albert will be the one to do it.  Albert has said his philosophy of life
is based on love (remember the "...Sheriff Truman, I love you." scene?).

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In Western religions, evil always requires cooperation.  In _The
Exorcist_, little Linda Blair gets possessed because she plays with
the Ouija board and opens the door to the Devil.  That was terrifying
because it presented the possibility that actions and not intentions
could consititute cooperation.  TP had the chance to explore the other
possibility; namely that even a very good, strong and uncooperative
man could lose his soul to an evil power.  Unfortunately, Coop's saga
in the Black Lodge was a bit murky, and it isn't clear at all what
happened to allow Coop to be possessed by BOB.  As other posters have
pointed out, it looked like Coop did everything right.  I don't even
buy that running for the exit was the wrong thing.  Coop had gotten
what he'd come for - Annie's life.  He wasn't running from BOB, just
running out of the situation.

So the question remains: How did Coop's evil doppelganger win out?
And if Coop cannot stand up to BOB, then who can?  It's a chilling
thought.

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     When Coop said "I have to brush my teeth," I knew what was up... yup,
predictable but damn frightening.  The way Coop reflexively 'attacked' Bob
by butting his head into the mirror seemed to indicate that Coop himself
(the same Coop who asked "How's Annie?" when he woke up, the human part of
Coop that is still there even though Bob is sitting atop his soul) saw Bob
in the mirror and knew who he was and what that meant.  Is Coop now aware
that he is being possessed by Bob?  If he's aware of it, can he fight it?
Seems to me that unless Bob is always dominant in Coop (which would most
likely, well, be noticed around town ;-) ), when Coop's human side is in
control of his body he has a chance to do something.  So WILL HE????

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Perhaps that's it.  BOB wants Cooper locked in the rubber room (as opposed to
the red room), just as Cooper had gotten Windom sent to the mental ward years
earlier.  Divine irony, as BOB would see it...

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A show of hands... how many paused at the bathroom door after watching the
finale?  "Mmmm... I don't think I need to brush my teeth tonight, nope,
definitely not tonight...."  Eeeek!

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Three cheers to Daniel Mittleman, whose posting I quote in full:

From: dmittleman@misvax.mis.arizona.edu (Daniel Mittleman)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: a possible ending - but not all the steps to get there
Date: 13 Apr 91 13:00:47 GMT
Organization: University of Arizona - MIS Department

Fiona, I have no idea what it is you are looking for, but here are some
ideas I had yesterday..

I have this idea for a final scene, but only sketchy details of what
might come before it.

Sketchy details:

It seems to me that Windom Earle will manage to create a situation for
Cooper where Earle has the ability to unleash all of the forces of the
Black Lodge on the world.  Doing so would cause untold death and
destruction.  Cooper has the ability to stop Earle, but because of the
situation Earle has created, doing so was cost the life of Annie.  In
the climax Cooper decides to save the world, Annie is killed, Cooper is
a hero, but is left inconsolable and despondent.

Final scene:

We are just inside the doorway of Cooper's room at the Great Northern.
We see Cooper in a profile view sitting in a wooden chair at his
desk/dresser staring blankly into the mirror in front of him (not wholly
unlike the opening scene with Josie).  The room is dark and warm and
woody.  The camera angle slowly moves towards Cooper circling around
behind him.  Very haunting TP music picks up in the background.  As the
camera comes around behind Cooper we can see his reflection in the
mirror.  It is Bob smiling and laughing back out at him.  The picture
fades to black.  "Lynch/Frost" appears on the screen.

This is all a brainstorm - additional comments and suggestions are
welcome.

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Most of the things I noticed during the finale have already been mentioned
by the rest of you except for one (small) thing. Did anyone else besides me
see Cooper's first line after waking up in his hotel room with Truman and
Doc Hayward standing over him ("I wasn't sleeping!") as a message directly
from David Lynch to the viewing audience that he wasn't going to cop out
with a Wizard of Oz-like ending? As soon as I say Cooper in bed with Truman
and Doc standing over him, I thought, "Oh, no! The whole thing's been a
dream!". Then, as if on cue, Lynch seemed to be saying directly to me that,
no, it wasn't a dream.

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*** Doppelgangers
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> >   Alternatively, the Leland evil form existed as a seperate entity in
> > the black Lodge and was obviously kin to the evil Dale form. Perhaps
> > this is the Lodge's representation of possession by Bob.

Hawk said that your spirit had to visit the Black Lodge and overcome your
evil self before it could proceed to the White Lodge.  Sounds like everyone
has an evil self in the Black Lodge; you don't have to be possessed by BOB.

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"Watch out for my cousin" might have well have been a fortelling of
what was to come, the doubles...  the "dopplegangers", the opposites.

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   The MFAP said that he'd show up again as someone else -- who?

What he said was closer to: ``When you see me again, it won't be me.''
I think that what he meant was that each successive apearance of the
LMFAP was merely someone who looked like him: doppelgangers (und
treppelgangers, usw).  Note that this happens with Laura.  The first
Laura we see, who says she won't see Cooper for 25 years, has clear
eyes, while Laura/Bob, has glazed eyes.  This seems to be a
distinguishing mark of the doppelgangers.  Also, the only Leland we
see has glazed eyes, and the anti-Cooper also has glazed eyes.  Still,
the whole XXX Lodge sequence leaves open the question of what happened
to those who have died and exactly whose side the supernatural
entities are playing on---except for Bob, of course, who remains
unchanging in his Bobhood.

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> > "Wow, BOB, wow!"

Since no one has pointed out the obvious, I will: this is a palindrome 
that is also vocally palindromic, when spoken in the Lynchian double-
reverse technique. Only other one I can think of is "Madam, I'm Adam."

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It's "mom, pop, mom" upside down.

The twin-peak theme is expressed in the dual points of the W/M, and in
the double W's of "wow", and in the double-wow's of the palindrome.

Just as the double-W's of "wow" represent the twin peaks with the town
of TP between them, the palindrome as a whole represents the twin
"wow"s of the lodges with the mundane world between them--and Bob is
in the place represented by the mundane world.

The reversed-ground version of "mom, pop, mom" is "pop, mom,
pop"--Donna's dilemma.  And the two "pop"s are the "horns" (i.e.,
peaks) of the dilemma.

I can keep this shit up all day.

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Doppelgangers. Coop's dark side escapes. As did Leland's (that's why the
other Leland is in the lodge, and "didn't kill anyone")... Laura's light side
escaped, leaving her dark side in the lodge. Sound somewhat right?

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> >* Doppelgangers. Coop's dark side escapes. As did Leland's (that's why the
> >other Leland is in the lodge, and "didn't kill anyone")... Laura's light side
> >escaped, leaving her dark side in the lodge. Sound somewhat right?

We've known for some time that in order to reach the White Lodge, one must
first travel through the Black Lodge, and in the process meet and overcome
one's doppelganger. Coop is about 75% of the way there. Now, all he has to
do is overcome his evil side, and he'll be in. I personally was kind of
disappointed by Coop's actions in the Black Lodge. In order to defeat the
evil, he needed to have overcome his fear and fought back with love, not just
for Annie, but for life, the world, his friends, and his enemies. Remember,
"Fear is the mindkiller." Instead, all Coop does is run back and forth between
the two rooms. And he didn't overcome his fear. Of course, I would be afraid
too if I had a doppelganger of Laura Palmer screeching at you. Yow! I don't
think that the evil Laura or Leland or LMFAP were real. Remember, LMFAP
said, "When you see me again, it will not be me." There seemed to be four
entities in the Black Lodge with Coop. They are: Windom, Annie, BOB, and
Coop's doppelganger. My theory is that the evil LMFAP was actually BOB (he
walked and sounded similarly), Carolyne was probably Windom, evil Laura was
probably Windom (using frame advance on a vcr, one can see Windom's face
in between flashes of the strobe light when the evil Laura is coming at Coop),
and Leland was probably BOB too. Illusion *is* one of evil's major weapons.

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Things to do while procrastinating at work:  I looked up
doppleganger in the Britannica, where it said (this is from a fried
cortex) a doppleganger (which means "double goer") is a spiritual double
that all humans and animals have.  It is not a ghost, but an "apparition"
or a "wraith".  And if you happen to _see_ your doppleganger, it means
your death is imminent.  The moment good Coop turned around in the hallway
and made eye contact with bad Coop was a moment of significance.

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This may already have been mentioned, but in the final episode of The Prisoner,
"Fall Out", the hero (#6) meet his own evil doppleganger (#1).

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*** Giant/Senor Droolcup
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I didn't understand why the Giant/SDC were in the waiting room.  I
suppose that the waiting room was neutral territory for Black/White
lodgers?

[Start of File 3 of 5]
<----------------------------------cut here---------------------------------->
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*** Inconsistencies
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Trivial, but interesting: when Coop enters the curtains initially, he's wearing
an overcoat.  When we then cut to the next scene (Coop entering the hallway),
Coop has no overcoat on.  Hmmm....  Did we miss a scene where he checked his
coat?  :-)

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...So there you are, in the Black Lodge, with your trusty FBI-issue
   Smith & Wesson Model 1076 10mm pistol at your side, being pursued by
   your evil doppelganger.  What do you do?
   
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> >    ...So there you are, in the Black Lodge, with your trusty FBI-issue
> >    Smith & Wesson Model 1076 10mm pistol at your side, being pursued by
> >    your evil doppelganger.  What do you do?
> >

Send Diane another tape...

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>> >>    ...So there you are, in the Black Lodge, with your trusty FBI-issue
>> >>    Smith & Wesson Model 1076 10mm pistol at your side

I must say, I've wondered the same thing myself. Why was Coop so dadgum
spaced-out-looking during the whole BL scene? This guy is a professional
FBI agent, fer crissakes, yet not once did he draw that 10mm, even when
Windom Earle himself popped up in front of him. I half expected Coop to
say, "You are under arrest for murder....you have a right to remain silent,
if you do not choose...."  But noooooooo, he stood there like a house
by the side of the road.

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> >   I must say, I've wondered the same thing myself. Why was Coop so dadgum
> >   spaced-out-looking during the whole BL scene? This guy is a professional
> >   FBI agent, fer crissakes, yet not once did he draw that 10mm, even when
> >   Windom Earle himself popped up in front of him. I half expected Coop to
> >   say, "You are under arrest for murder....you have a right to remain silent,
> >   if you do not choose...."  But noooooooo, he stood there like a house
> >   by the side of the road.

Under the laws of which country is Cooper going to arrest Windom Earle
in the Black Lodge?  Will Bob really agree to extradite him?  And why
should Cooper's attempt to use a weapon there be any more successful
than Windom Earle's?  Cooper was at least smart enough to know that
the normal procedures wouldn't apply there, although he didn't seem to
be able to figure out what would work.

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Who says he even HAD his pistol?  He certainly seemed to lose his
flashlight and overcoat.

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     All throughout the finale, Cooper was so damn passive.  The side of
good really has done nothing throughout without evil being one step ahead
of them all the way.  Coop ignored the giant's warning; even when he realized
that Windom was waiting on the outcome of the Miss Twin Peaks pageant, all
he did after getting there was watch (and clap =) ).  He was a model of in-
action all the way through.  If anything, Andy was the one who made the most
progress -- the map, the revelation of the bonsai bug, etc.  Coop was even
passive inside the Lodge.  I expected at least something from the man who
was on top of everything not so long ago.  The way things were, he was almost
a bit player... it was Windom who made everything happen; Coop was just
following and watching.

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> > So there you are, in the Black Lodge, with your trusty FBI-issue
> > Smith & Wesson Model 1076 10mm pistol at your side ...

     [and others have wondered why Cooper was so passive in the Red Rooms]

It was Dale Cooper's nature to be an observer rather than a participant.
The autobiography drives this home repeatedly, but it's also evident from
the show.  His love of observation certainly takes him into a lot of
strange and interesting situations, but he is ultimately there as the
passive viewer.  The one motivation that seems to kick him into genuine
action is a head to head confrontation with known evil.  I suppose you
could say that the evil in the Red Rooms should have spurred him to
greater action, but the nature of the evil and all of the experiences
in the Red Rooms (not all of it was evil) was unknown to Dale.  And while
those experiences would have been totally disorienting to most mortals,
Dale lapsed into his observe-it-for-all-it's-worth mode, and probably
dealt with it better than almost anyone else could have.

At least that's my take on Dale's personality and the nature of his
actions (or lack thereof) in the Lodge waiting rooms.

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*** Laura Palmer
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> >Laura Palmer's hand symbol looked like a symbol, similar to the
> >pose in many Bhuddist paintings. Anyone know what it means?

If my memory serves me correctly it's the classic possition taken by
Shiva while doing his dance that destroys and thus remakes the world
The fullfilment of the death and re-birth cycle. It's also symbolic
of something that is in this world but not of this world.

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> >  Laura Palmer's hand symbol looked like a symbol, similar to the
> >  pose in many Bhuddist paintings. Anyone know what it means?

Well, this may be too prosaic an explanation, but take a look at
Madonna's ``Vogue'' video.  ``Strike a pose'', indeed.

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> >Laura Palmer's hand symbol looked like a symbol, similar to the
> >pose in many Bhuddist paintings. Anyone know what it means?

I thought it looked like Vanna White, on Wheel of Fortune.

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> >I thought it looked like Vanna White, on Wheel of Fortune.

I was ready for a bottle of shampoo to materialize in her hands and she 
says "This is the shampoo I use !!" :-)

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Laura's screaming scenes caused both cats to leave the TV room.

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> >   Am I the only person who found Laura's screaming decidedly NOT scary?
> >   It seemed completely unmotivated by extreme terror or even extreme
> >   rage; just a device to have her step forward and try to scare Cooper.
> >   Could someone who WAS scared perhaps describe for me what it was that
> >   was so frightening for them in that moment.  Perhaps my efforts to try
> >   and figure out what was going on detached me from it emotionally to
> >   the point where I missed the experience.

Well, what got me going was not the screaming but the fact that she
crawled over the love seat in the same way we'd seen Bob crawl over
the sofa in the Palmer's living room.  On first viewing, I interpreted
the whole scene as ``Laura as Bob'', and the screaming/howling as
Bob's screaming/howling.  It was shocking to see ``Laura'' doing Bob's
moves.

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Just an observation here-- I noticed that in the scene that begins with
"Doppleganger," while the "evil Laura" is screaming, the faces of Laura
and WE were alternately flashed.

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Laura Palmer - gets the Fay Wray award for 1991.  Aside.
Why was Maddy in the Black Lodge?  She wasn't evil (see above).  And
if we're trotting out the tournament of dead people society, why not
bring in Mr. Solitary Soul too?

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  Thanks to an exhibit of Tibetan religious art at the Asian Art Museum
in San Francisco, I will try to interpret Laura's hand gestures in the
Waiting Room.

  Her right hand, with fingers pointing upwards, is a symbolic gesture
meaning HAVE NO FEAR (!!!). Laura's horizontally pointing left hand is
a symbol for CONTEMPLATION. 

  I believe that her use of these gestures was an attempt to remind Coop
of his training during the "lost years", as well as being direct 
messages in their own right. The  purpose of the HAVE NO FEAR message is
obvious, I think the CONTEMPLATION message means that Coop should face 
his upcoming ordeal with a calm and reflective mind. Thus, both 
messages also reinforce each other.

  Notice that the doppel-Laura directly attempts to counter these two
messages by her "piercing" screaming - she is trying to pierce Coop's
composure.

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I was playing with the freeze-frame...
In the scene where Laura screams at Cooper and then runs up to him,
and the strobe lights are going, her face is replaced in a few frames
by the face of WE, lit up in a strange mellow orange light.
I took this to mean that the Laura-doppel was some kind of creation by WE,
designed expressly to induce fear in Cooper.  The lodge magicians
(even WE) can manipulate reality there, making coffee run at the wrong
speed, maybe controlling doppels or creating confusing images.

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   Was that Laura reflected in the coffee cup in the end titles?

Yes.  Her reflection starts out unfocussed and becomes clearer.  If
you watch closely, you can see her wink.  I had a frightening moment
watching the image come up; while the image of was still sort of
fuzzy, I thought it was Bob reflected in the cup, which would have
really depressed me no end.

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Grin.  I wonder how many thousands of people ran to their TV during the
credits with their Head upside down.  Yes.  It was Laura.

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The final credits:
I've been on the edge of my seat before, but upside down in
front of my TV? Whew! How many of you were with me?

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> >   So Laura in a coffee cup. What the heck does *that* mean?!

Not just any coffee cup; it's the coffee cup that Cooper set down on
the table in the Waiting Room.  (I suddenly realized that Laura would
be right side up to Cooper.)  And her image fades in slowly.  And she
winks (presumably, at Cooper).

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*** Pathetic theories
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The Black Lodge is the opposite of OZ!

Consider these references:

  1. Garland Briggs asks about JUDY GARLAND, who starred as Dorothy
     in the Wizard of Oz.

  2. When Briggs emerges from the woods, he asks where the castle is.
     (Though this could have been a reference to the castle of the
     king of Romania!)

  3. Near the black and white firepit portal stands Pete's truck,
     which has twelve RAINBOW trout.  Thus the portal could be said to
     be over the rainbow.

  4. The wizard used fire to strike fear into Dorothy and her friends.

  5. Water was used to kill the wicked witch, just as the sprinklers
     removed Bob from Leland.

  6. The colors RED and GREEN are opposites.  The red traffic light
     is akin to the red room, the green light to peacefulness.  The
     emerald city in the land of Oz was, of course, GREEN.

  7. David Lynch used Oz references extensively in 'Wild at Heart'.

  8. The promo for the return of TP to Thursdays on ABC had Coop acting
     as Dorothy in bed, surrounded by his (her) friends.  This promo
     may have been more symbolic than we knew!

Here's the answer to how Coop gets out of the Black Lodge: he clicks
his heels together 3 times and repeats "There's no place like home."

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    What is the significance of the fact that the flashing lights on 
Cooper and Truman's police car were the same colors as Dr. Jacoby's
eyeglasses?

    (Aside from this detail, everything seemed pretty straightforward.)
    
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Hasn't anyone yet realized that the Lounge Lizard was the Log Lady's husband?

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Yes, I know that this is reaching, but what else do we have?

The phrase "How's Annie?" is repeated so much in the end of the
movie Finale that I feel that there may be some meaning hidden
in it.

I loaded up the phrase in my mind, and then played it backwards.
You would never guess what came out..."In A While".

Ok, so it comes out "Ina Wah", but if you say it really fast, it
sounds like "In A While."   Is Lynch trying to tell us to wait a
while, and Peaks will be back?  

Probably not, but it was worth a shot.

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*** Room configuration
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  The general concensus which I am receiving from the group, is  that
Lynch's depiction of the Black Lodge was disappointing.  I can't
disagree more!  I found the maze of red curtains, disorienting,
distressing, and just plain spooky!

  The atmosphere in the waiting room seemed quite oppressive.  It had
an evil/oily ambience which I though was entirely appropriate.  (I had
the same feeling watching Kubrick's "The Shining")  I had no difficulty
believing that this COULD be a vision of Hell.

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Red Room spoken in reverse sounds like "murder".

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Although I haven't analyzed it scene by scene to the point others have in terms
of drawing diagrams, etc., my gut feeling when watching Coop move from hallway
to room and again was that there was only one hallway and one room, and that it
was the things in the room and hallway that were changing, not that there were
multiple rooms and hallways.  As I say, this is a gut, emotional response only,
not an analytical one.  It just seemed to me that Coop was trapped in the same
space the entire time, and that the only way he could leave was to win or lose
the "Test of the Black Lodge" (as per Hawk).

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I also liked the idea presented by one Netter that the corridor was a 
passage from the Black to the White Lodge.  That somehow, the two rooms 
Coop kept (endlessly) passing between represented the Black and White Lodge
  The idea of good/evil being intertwined fits perfectly with the concept 
of yin/yang.  Good and Evil cannot be seperated, without one, the other 
would not exist. There is Good and Evil is everyone (well..in BoB ???)

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The white lodge and the black lodge are two faces to the same coin, ie
there's only ONE lodge, but there are obviously two parts.  (The floor
I took as the giveaway:  white and black mixed, spaced)

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there was only _ONE_ room.  At first it looked like two, with the middle
passage in between them.  Then, near the end, when Coop starts wildly running
about, he is going in a circle, with each entrance bringing him to the same
room from different sides.  Look more carefully at those last 15 minutes,
people.  Good and evil the same? or someone thought it would look cool?

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      I beg to differ.  After it was all over my boyfriend
brought out the old graph paper and we mapped the whole
thing.  Now I'm sorta fuzzy on it, cause after watching it
for the 20th time I was getting somewhat burned out.  But,
here are his conclusions:

(Any errors are mine, as he has 25 pages of maps and notes
and I'm doing my best to decipher them from memory)

Okay, one of the clues is the statue in the hallway.  It's
there for a while, and then it disappears.  Alos, there is
one room without furniture.  So, we came to the conclusion
there are 3 rooms and 2 hallways, one hallway with a statue,
one without.  Or, looking at this map, maybe there's three
hallways.  That's it!  Okay.  There's the ahllway into the
waiting room, which has a statue in it.  Then, there's
another hallway (also with a statue) that leads to the room
where Coop faced Bob and Shadow-Laura.  Then, there's a
third hallway without a statue that leads to the empty room.
I think.  But this was the basic idea.  I think I'll shut up
till he gets home and let him post and explain all his
breakdowns etc.

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> >One little anomaly I noticed in the Black (/white?) Lodge scene last night:
> >After Cooper has gone from room to room a couple times, the statue which is
> >in the hallway dissapears. Any comments?

Yes, a statue of _Venus._  Saturn and Jupiter are not alone in the current
planetary conjuction -- even in the smoggy skies off Manhattan we can see
that Venus is the brightest of the three... I took the Venus de Milo to be
Annie, Coop's Venus, and when the statue disappeared, I feared the worst for
her.  Or was it just that this symbol of love had fled?

Can anyone identify the statue in the waiting room?

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> >One little anomaly I noticed in the Black (/white?) Lodge scene last night:
> >After Cooper has gone from room to room a couple times, the statue which is
> >in the hallway dissapears. Any comments?

Didn't Gordon say that Shelly resembled the Venus de Milo statue
while talking to Coop in the RR Diner?  It seems that there was
alot of emphasis placed on Shelly...Leo tells The Major to "save
Shelly", Gordon falls in love with her, Windom Earle reading
poetry by Shelley...does anyone think that originally Shelly would 
have played a much larger role in the Black Lodge thing, if not for 
the time constraints placed on Lynch et al?

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> >One little anomaly I noticed in the Black (/white?) Lodge scene last night:
> >  After Cooper has gone from room to room a couple times, the statue which is
> >in the hallway dissapears. Any comments?
> >-- 

On a second watching I kept track of this.  If you take the statue as
indicating WHICH room Cooper is in (no statue by the entrance to the
first -- called the "Waiting Room" by the LMFAP -- and a statue by the
entrance to the second room), then Cooper moves back and forth between
the 1st and 2nd rooms several times.*

Then... Laura reappears with glassy eyes and starts screaming.
Flashes of Windom Earle's face are alternated with hers.  I take this
to mean that WE is now controlling what Cooper sees.

After this scene, we never see the statue again, the logical
conclusion being that either Cooper keeps entering the same room (the 1st)
over and over again, or he is running between the 1st room and a
doppelganger ("the wrong room") 1st room.


*the only divergence from consistent spatial relationships is when
Cooper looks in the 2nd room for the first time.  The furniture is in
the corner closest to him.  Subsequently, it is in the far corner.

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   *the only divergence from consistent spatial relationships is when
   Cooper looks in the 2nd room for the first time.  The furniture is in
   the corner closest to him.  Subsequently, it is in the far corner.

It's more than this, though.  The jagged tooth pattern on the floor of
the hallway runs parallel to the ``rear'' wall.  When Cooper first
enters room 2, the pattern in the room is consistent with this.  When
he re-enters it the pattern is running parallel to the hallway, as if
the room had been rotated.

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> > On a second watching I kept track of this.  If you take the statue as
> > indicating WHICH room Cooper is in (no statue by the entrance to the
> > first -- called the "Waiting Room" by the LMFAP -- and a statue by the
> > entrance to the second room), then Cooper moves back and forth between
> > the 1st and 2nd rooms several times.*
> > ...

OK, maybe I REALLY need a life.  But I replayed this scene and paid special
attention to the zig-zag floor pattern.  From room 1, looking at the statue,
the central zig, plus both zigs closest to the two curtain walls point TOWARDS
you.  From room 2 (from the statue), obviously, they point away.  Cooper moves
absolutely consistently from room 1 to room 2, despite the fact that the statue
has disappeared in the meanwhile, many times.  However, there is a lapse.  Coop
meets BOB in Room 1, where BOB takes WE's soul.  He leaves room 1 abruptly, just
before anti-Cooper enters from the other side, laughs along with BOB, and then
chases him.  Coop runs up the hall the wrong way (he is now leaving room 2 and
entering room 1 according to the floor, but not according to his previous
whereabouts) and meets Leland in the hall, looks back, sees anti-Coop, etc.  At
that point, Coop runs THROUGH a room, out the other side, and all bets are off.

(There may be a thesis in here somewhere.)

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   >One little anomaly I noticed in the Black (/white?) Lodge scene last night:
   >  After Cooper has gone from room to room a couple times, the statue which is
   >in the hallway dissapears. Any comments?

   I thought, while I was watching it, that there's a statue at *one* end
   of the hallway and not the other.  I assumed it was put there in part
   to serve as a reference point so that we could tell which room was
   which.  At some point, though, it seemed that things got totally
   turned around and inconsistent, sort of like the scene in "Yellow
   Submarine" where Our Heroes run in one hotel room door and then out of
   the door across the corridor.

[In what follows, I'm calling the first of the red curtained rooms
that Cooper enters, ``the waiting room'', just to have some name for
it.]

The first five times Cooper goes through the hallway, there is a
statue at ``the far end'' (i.e. the end away from ``the waiting room''
or its current incarnation, and away from the camera).  Moreover,
Cooper is filmed fairly consistently: when he is moving away from
``the waiting room'' end, he is filmed from behind, moving toward the
statue, away from the camera; when he is moving toward ``the waiting
room'' end, he is filmed from the front, moving away from the statue,
toward the camera.  (This assumes there is only one statue in the
hallway(s) with the statue.)  When Cooper leaves the room where he
starts to bleed from the stomach, which was the room away from ``the
waiting room'' end, he is filmed, as usual, approaching the camera.
But there is no statue behind him.  The point of view then cuts to a
position from behind Cooper and there is no statue in front of him,
either.  I take it that the different camera angle is meant to let us
know that this is a hallway without a statue at either end.

The hallway where Cooper meets Leland is also a hallway without a
statue, since we see the hallway from Cooper and Doppel-Cooper's
viewpoints, and there's no statue at either end.  Also, I believe that
the camera position is different in this scene, and is at what was
formerly ``the far end'' of the hallway.  Since this is where Cooper
starts to run away from his Doppelganger, towards the room where he
entered the XXX Lodge, this is probably a deliberate shift in camera
point of view.  I'm not completely certain of this, however.  Up until
Cooper encounters Caroline for the first time, we see him enter and
exit each room he's in, and it's possible to chart his course.
However, we don't see him leave the room where he meets Caroline;
there is a cross-fade, to a shot of the camera panning up a hallway,
with Cooper saying ``Annie'' over and over.  At this point, it's not
clear where the next room, where he encounters Windom Earle et al, is.
In the climactic race with his Doppelganger, it looks like Cooper
crosses two hallways and goes through a room.  The last room of the
chase seems to be the original ``waiting room''.  If it is, the
Doppelganger catches Cooper at the spot where Cooper entered the XXX
Lodge (which makes sense, since ``Cooper'' then reappearsin
Glastonbury Grove.  Also, if I'm right about the orientation.  The
Doppelganger enters at a point diagonally opposite from where Cooper
entered the XXX Lodge.

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I get the feeling that if he stepped out of one room for a second
then stepped back in it, it would be totally different.  i.e. I
don't think you can map a place such as the Black Lodge, just as
I doubt there is a map of heaven.

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I was under the impression that there were, in fact, two rooms that
Coop was walking between, one the White Lodge and the other the Black
Lodge.  It looked like some of the folks Coop encountered only showed
up in one and some only in the other.  A definative list would be
helpful, but it seemed that the dwarf, the giant, the bellhop, and
Laura Palmer appeared only in the first room.  Bob, Maddie, Windham
Earle, and maybe Caroline and Annie, appeared only in the second. 
I've been trying to puzzle out which is the White Lodge and which the
Black Lodge.  I believe that the giant is a White Lodger and Windham
should be a Black Lodger.  What has me stumped is that the screaming
Laura doesn't seem to be a White Lodge sorta character, but Bob
*certainly* is a Black Lodger.  Any ideas?
 
I don't take the dwarf's statement that "This is the Waiting Room."
to mean that it wasn't the lodge itself, as some seem to.  Also, it
sounded like both lodges have the same entrance, with love being the
key to the White Lodge and fear to the Black Lodge.  This contradicts
the story Hawk told of having to pass through the Black Lodge in
order to enter the White Lodge, but the Indian folklore may have
gotten details like this wrong after centuries of retelling.

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> > And also Major Briggs description of the WL as a "shinning white mansion"..
> > of course that could NOT be the WL...or it may be his INTERPRETATION of 
> > the WL.

Perhaps the lodges look different to everyone. Coop, having had the dream
of the Red Room, used it as the model for his Lodge-image (much as we
often recycle bits of real places in our dreams). If so, the whole adventure
would have looked very different to Windom Earl and to Annie.

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I think some of you may have been disappointed by the cheap set approach
to the lodges.  I think many were envisioning some kind of apocalyptic
struggle between the forces of good and evil, sort of a Tolkienesque
wizard/demon thing.  Lynch portrayed the struggle as more of an internal
one (Good Dale, Bad Dale), in which no one is completely white or black
(lodge).  You were expecting Cooper the Barbarian?

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Bob is an a building with many rooms all the same, surrounded by trees.  Sounds
like Mike's description of Bob's location for the past thirty years and of the
black lodge too.

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About why it was that after the line "when you see me again, it won't be me",
the next time we saw the LMFAP was when he said "Wrong Way":

How do we know that wasn't the doppleganger?  Did you see his eyes?  It
sounds like that would be the kind of trick the Dark Side would play.  Coop
obviously thought that that little man was the same one -- since he'd only
just left the room and gone back -- so he listened to him.  But this one
led him to the Black Lodge...

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*** What it all means
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    In the summary below I'm projecting a little that we don't
    have much evidence for yet concerning the White Lodge.  It
    could turn out that only the Black Lodge and Twin Peaks are
    involved.

    What we saw at the end was a gateway to a twin universe;
    immediately behind the portal that offers entry is the
    Black Lodge, which is only a waiting room.  Somewhere beyond
    it is ther rest of the Black Universe.

    Somewhere else is a White Universe, enterable through
    the White Lodge.  Each of these has its own laws of physics,
    and some of these laws are opposites in each universe.
    Between these two is our universe, including the town
    of Twin Peaks, where gateways exist between the universes.

    The Black and White Universes may in fact be universes of
    souls.  In any case every person has an identity in each
    universe.  If a person in one universe finds a gateway and
    visits another universe, they can find a being there who
    is a "double" for themselves.  They can also find doubles
    of numerous other people, and sometimes they may actually
    stumble on someone else from their own universe -- someone
    who might have wandered through a gateway, or who was forced
    through it (as in Annie being abducted).

    The "Black physics" and "White physics" of the opposed universes
    make one a home for evil beings, the other a home for good beings.
    Our universe, between the opposites, is a middle ground where
    the opposing laws of physics mix and compete.  The competition
    is particularly strong in Twin Peaks, which has a known gateway
    to the Black Universe and probably also has a gateway to the
    White Universe.

    In the Black laws of physics time probably still runs forwards,
    but the combination of space and time is different.  There are
    probably more than 3 spatial dimensions, and time might behave
    partly as a spatial dimension.  It may be possible to visit an
    earlier time by walking to a different location in this
    multi-dimensional space.  Maybe time is nonlinear -- distortions
    in either space or time could explain why voices sound strange
    to our perception.

    Laws of physics may be further distorted in a place such as
    the Black Lodge, at an interface between universes.  There
    may be yet more mysteries beyon the Black Lodge.

    Apparently we of the Peaks Universe can gain entrance to the
    Black Universe (or at least the Black Lodge) by passing
    through the gateway.  A being (soul?) in the Black Universe
    needs to physically merge with its double from the Peaks universe
    in the Black Lodge before being able to cross the gateway,
    as happened with Coop at the end.

    That leaves a question of identity:  Only BOB visibly inhabits
    a human host while in this universe.  Are the Black doubles
    manifestations of BOB?  Or is BOB the "God" of the Black
    Universe, creator of the Black doubles for his own purposes?
    Or is there more to be revealed?
    
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I'm beginning to get upset by the use of the word "doppleganger"
for what Bob does.  Bob posseses people, perhaps shifting their 
soul/essense/personality to the black lodge, but he uses (then discards)
the actual body. 

In fact, Bob may simply pre-empt the personality of the user.  Check
Leland's behavior:

He killed the fat frenchman (memory fails).  A brutal act,
but motivated by fatherly revenge, not Bob's kill-lust.  Also,
he killed the dude in a non-Bob like manner.   This would
indicate that Bob's possesion pre-empts the Leland personality,
who has no memory of whats going on.  I kind of see Leland's soul trapped
in the Black Lodge, where Bob can extract information from him, so as
to maintain the Leland act.

However, when Bob leaves Leland's body, Leland claims to remember all
the horrible things Bob did with his body ... perhaps Bob "clued him in"
as a parting shot ...

What goes on in the black lodge has its own set of rules: presumably
the physical reality in the black lodge is a manifestation of the
occupant's mental state (that is, it is a dream world).  Having
two Coopers there is just a way of viewing the internal battle within
Coop as Bob takes possesion ... Bob has split off the evil in Cooper, and
given it sufficient power that it appears a seperate entity.  Alternate:
the evil Cooper is just an image (like the images of Laura, Maddy & etc.)
used to shake Cooper enough to allow Bob to get a mental foothold.

Further more, whatever is going on is not a science:  It defies the
rational/spiritual approach (Cooper) and the manic/magic approach
(Earle).  Bob may be capable of many different approaches.

Of course, in the final scene, it appears that Bob is showing off to
Cooper:  Staying hidden in the back of Cooper's mind until he is alone,
then taking control slowly (slow enough for Coop to try and brain himself)
as Coop realizes what is happening.

Typical Lynch:  not enough puzzle pieces to make any definate statement.
However, I really doubt we'll see two Coops out in the real world.  This
could go anywhere, assuming there IS a followup.

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Well, so much for love being the answer- its not enough.

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I was a little disappointed by the ending being as predicted (yes, it does
seem ineveitable, but I was still disappointed) and I was a *lot* disappointed
by the scene in the Black Lodge (my theory is that the White and Black
lodges are actually the same place).

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Someone remarked that entrance to the lodges was too easy.  I thought
that this was fairly well explained.  Love and fear are the possible
prices of admission.  WE and Annie got in because of her fear (and he
was inspiring it, perhaps).  Coop because of his love for Annie.  I
agree with previous posters that neither Annie's fear nor Coop's love
were particularly evident in the acting in this episode.

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So does the 25-years-in-the-future dream sequence (preview of the future)
indicate that Cooper has defeated Bob with love and entered the White Lodge
(White portion of the White/Black lodge) or that he has been defeated by
fear and is doomed to spend the rest of eternity in the Black Lodge with
Bob, Laura, et. al.?

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IMHO, I don't think the White Lodge appeared at all.  What if all the 
manifestations (Little Man, etc.) were from the Black Lodge?  What if this 
was all part of the grand scheme of the BL to get Coop there.  A chess game
in a chess game?

Here is my theory:  Using LP, the Black Lodge got Coop to TP.  Then using
Renault, they keep Coop there.  Finally, by using WE, they got Coop into
the Black Lodge.  The BL would have a lot to gain by using the dark side of 
Coop, especially since he did not face it.  Did the BL know that Coop would 
run when his dark side appeared?  So now we have the good Coop trapped in
BL and the bad Coop out in the world.

Is the gate open only a specific time or until June?  If it is open until 
June, it would be possible to go back into BL and save Coop.  The best 
candidates: Truman and/or Annie.  Since love could open the gate to the WL, 
they could possibly be the key to helping Coop.

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  Hmm, I've been reading everyone's comments (well, not everyones YET)
about the lodges and such.  I saw it differently.
  I saw it as that Cooper was in the White Lodge the entire time.  He
made some comment about the concept of time and space and such.  It would
seem to me that Time/Space/Glastenbury all occupy sorta the same time and
place but not quite.  Cooper was in the White Lodge, and was able to enter
because he loved Annie.  WE was in the Black lodgee because he HATED
Cooper.  The two lodges could communicate with each other, albeit with
some distortion (such as voices).  If we saw it from WE's side, Dale's
voice might seem to be distorted.
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Is it just me, or did anyone else notice some really strange sh*t
happening in the "real" world TP while Coop was in the Black Lodge??
It's like *time* was out of sync, like the residents of Twin Peaks had
skipped over the events of the past 3/4 of the season (all the W.
Earle stuff) or had gone back to the time just before it.   Were the
time/events of the TP universe shifting, reversing, or erasing while
Coop was in the BL???

Evidence:

A]  It is night when Coop enters the BL and Truman & Andy are waiting
'outside' for him. The Little Man offers Coop some coffee, S. Drool
Cup appears with the coffee, and repeats 'coffee, coffee, etc'.  When
next we see Truman and Andy it is 10 hours later and they have an
extremely slow and strange conversation.  Andy asks Truman "Do you
want coffee?"    (coincidence????). 

Also, when Coop emerges from the BL, it is night again.  Did Truman
sit on that damned log for 24 hours, or was the 'day' scene with Andy
just time being out of sync while Coop was in the BL, and when he
(Coop) emerged, we are back to the same time frame, just a few minutes later???

B]  Also during the 'day' supposedly 10 hours after Coop went into the
BL, the TP folks are acting like nothing has happened.  I mean, there
has just been massive confusion and terror during the Miss TP
contest, with explosions and screams and a kidnapping (Annie), so why
the hell are Bobby and Shelly and the Major having just a lovely grand
'ol time at the diner as if nothing was out of the ordinary???  

And speaking of Bobby, he looked pretty chipper for a guy that got
*smashed* across the face with a log just 10 hours before!

And speaking of the Major, he too looked pretty good for a guy that
was a babbling, drugged-out veggie just 10 hours before!  (didn't notice
scars or bandages on either of them)

Not to mention the German waitress who shows up out of nowhere...

What really got me about the "Happy Diner" scene was Mrs. Palmer.  Dr.
Jacoby waltzes in with her and she says to the Major "I'm in the Black
Lodge with W. Earle" (or some reference to the BL)   This was the only
ominous thing in the whole scene, and it made me wonder whether the
whole scene wasn't really happening, or was only happening because of
the time shift.  Mrs Palmer's words seemed to be a message to the
Major that this 'day' wasn't real, it was only an illusion (or
alternate reality) brought on by Cooper's exploits in the BL.

OK, so those are my thoughts.  Of course, the only problem is it
DOESN'T explain the last scene of Cooper/Bob.   However, it does offer
a possible explanation as to to why the townsfolk were so oblivious to
the events of the past 6 (?) episodes.

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Here is how I thought it should have ended. Coop appears to save
Annie, but makes some slip-up that the viewer is supposed to catch. We see
Coop and Annie in a hotel room, dressing for something.

Cooper is standing by a table, finishing a glass of wine. Annie sits at a
dressing table.

COOPER: Are you almost ready?

ANNIE: Almost. I just have to finish my makeup.

Cooper puts tie around his neck, goes into bathroom to tie it, closes
door. We see Annie putting on her makeup. Same composition as the initial
image of Josie in the pilot. A thud in the bathroom as she finishes her
makeup and smiles. The camera moves around behind her to show Bob's face
grinning in the mirror. The bathroom door opens and Cooper comes out,
dragging himself along the floor, collapsing propped up against the bed.
There is a knock at the door.

ANNIE: That will be the waiter with the room service.

She goes to her purse and pulls out an exacto knife. She walks to the door
and grasps the handle to open it as Cooper watches helplessly. Freeze and
dissolve to the shot of Laura as homecoming queen. Final credits over the
picture in total silence.

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I think that the White Lodge is an illusion, and that evil is at the
heart of the universe.  All striving for the good, through love and
self-sacrifice, serve only to create an illusion which distracts
us from our final fate, which is to be ingested and made one with the
malevolent core of the uniBoBverse.

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I like to see Twin Peaks as an extended riff on the conflicts of
love, especially the way love fragments into desire, violence, and
fear.  After all, at the heart of the TP story is a tale of childhood
sexual abuse--a father's seduction and murder of a beloved and
seductive daughter.

Other Twin Peaks romances share the illicit and/or violent elements
of the Leland/Laura relationship--Leo and Shelly's sadomasochistic
marriage; Hank and Norma's similarly twisted marriage; the
"accidental" shooting during Ed and Nadine's honeymoon (they got
married, remember, because Norma cheated on Ed); Shelly's adultery
with Bobby; Ed's adultery with Norma; and of course Cooper's adultery
with Caroline, and Caroline's murder by Windom.

Then there are all those ominous hints about past romances--whatever
horrible events drove Annie to the convent, for example.  And let's
not forget demonic Little Nicky and his parents.  Characters' passion
for Laura, too, leads to violent death--e.g. Maddy, and poor Harold.

I keep expecting someone to start singing "You Always Hurt the One
You Love," or (more cinematically appropriate) "Love Kills" (from
Queen's soundtrack for "Metropolis").

The second season seems to have devoted itself to spreading this
theme around with occult imagery.  What I think we're seeing in these
latest episodes is Lynch's typical heaping up of any gruesome
allusions that seem to fit the theme, like he's building some massive
gothic fugue or Wagnerian opera.  So he hauls out Greek mythology
with all the unseemly romantic and family relationships of its gods
and goddesses (I love the image of the dismembered Venus in the
hallway); and he throws in Arthurian legend (recall Arthur's
illegitimacy, and Sir Launcelot's adulterous affair with Arthur's
wife Guinivere; I picture Windom Earle as an Arthur gone mad, and
Cooper as the well-meaning but tragically flawed Launcelot); and he
throws in Stanley Kubrick movies like "The Shining," where a
murderous father is chasing his wife and son (shouting "Redrum") down
empty hallways, driven by adulterous spectres from the past.

The result is one big vat of symbolic stew, tasty but incoherent.

The lodges thing, IMHO, seems to say that in the real world these
conflicting aspects of love are mixed together, making love both
blissful and hellish, but in the occult world souls divide, sides are
taken, as first the "dark side" (a la Star Wars) of a soul drops out
in the Black Lodge, then the good moves toward the light of the White
Lodge.

The planets symbolize this split; when the two conjoin one can pass
between this world (where life, because of love and passion, is
constantly conjoining opposites) and the otherworld (whatever it is).
So I like the idea proposed that the checkerboard tile indicates that
Black and White Lodges are overlapping.

Or something like that...who the hell knows, anyway?  In the end, I
think the plot and symbolism of TP are incidental; sometimes they
work, sometimes they don't.  If you want plot you're better off with
afternoon soaps.  What you really have to savor in Twin Peaks are the
brilliant characterizations and powerful moods.

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I believe that the Waiting Room was a sort of equivalent to Purgatory, a place
that is neither good nor evil but capable of holding both while the balance of
the soul is sorted out.  Cooper  leaves the purgatory of the waiting room and
enters the hell of the black lodge after he has finished his "coffee".  Doesn't
the LMFAP tell Coop that the next time Coop sees him it won't be him?  I took
this to mean that Coop was now venturing into the Land of Lies.  

I don't think Coop encountered anyone from the White Lodge.  My personal proof
of this is that Coop did encounter Leland.  Leland was escorted into death by
Cooper who guided him "into the light", where Leland met Laura (and presumably,
peace, forgiveness and redemption).  Leland's mortal soul found redemption
(which sounds to me like a good pass into the White Lodge).  

 Perhaps the lines from Shakespeare about "The evil that men do lives on while
the good is oft interred with the bones" applies here.    While Leland's soul
has moved on, his lesser image, his shade or doppleganger still hangs out in
the Black Lodge.   This image speaks of responsibility for casuing death and
evading that responsibility.  The "real" Leland faced up to his part in Laura's
death and went through it.   The  shade of Leland was still reveling in the
death.

My weird thought of the day was that maybe the good Leland, the part that
passed into the light, can come back and return the favor to Coop and free him
from the grip of BoB.  That would seem to be a sort of poetic justice.

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The seemingly strange behavior of the residents is accounted for
by the flip flop of time (IMHO).  I think everytime Coop crossed
a hall, time in TP wavered or flipped or reversed or something.
The order the letters were placed under fingernails would seem
to backup the random time theory.

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How's this for an analysis of TP, as alluded to by another post --
Suppose the central theme of TP is that when the Universe began, two
separate timelines were created - a positive time line and a negative
time line.  The two threads of time are intertwined and intersect every
20-25 years.  We live in the positive time line and the black and white lodges
exist in the negative time line.  Time is moving forward to the occupants
of the lodges, but in reverse direction to ours.  They therefore know
what's happening in our future at 20-25 year intervals.  This explains
how Laura and the LMFAP can know Dale's future.  THEY have already lived
it - in reverse.  To communicate with us, they have to talk backward,
because if they talked forward (to them), it would SOUND backward to us.

This implies a certain predestiny, for if a backwards time line started
from infinite time and worked backwards, events must have already been
predestined.  Since Lynch is reputed to be very conservative and religious,
belief in predestination may make sense.  Perhaps Bob, et al, are
messing with the machinery every 20 years and causing potential paradoxes.
It is up to the white lodge to keep this from happening.

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there's a lot of evidence in the
final scenes that time *is* going backwards. Notice how Laura deliberately
snapped her fingers backwards, for example. The most outstanding event in this
regard is when Windom Earle "stabs" Coop with that thingie. Coop falls to the
floor, then suddenly we see that *exact* same event in reverse! He "falls"
"up" to the knife (or whatever it is). Does this signify a point when time
made a U-turn of some sort?

I find it very, very difficult to believe that all this is just for "special
visual effect." I'm not sure what is *is* for, though, with regard to the
plot line.

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Here's my theory.

Cooper enters the Black Lodge, to face the test Hawk spoke of and to get
Annie back from Windom Earle.  Unfortunately, his love for Annie blinds
him to the nature of the test he is about to encounter.

He meets the MFAP and LP.  The giant/waiter appears, and offers him
coffee.  He does this in an odd way ("Hallelujah!"  "Coffee. 
Coffee..."), which somehow nullifies the MFAP's power over what is going
on.  Cooper realizes the power of the coffee (if he can drink it it will
help him in his test) and looks to see if the MFAP is watching before he
drinks it.  He is not, the MFAP is rubbing his hands and looking down. 
Coop reaches for the coffee, but Bob has made it solid, so he cannot
drink.  He then plays with Coop, making it coffee again and then
viscous.  Coop cannot drink.  The MFAP notices this, and praises Bob:
"Wow Bob wow.  Fire walk with me.", "Fire walk with me" being a sort of
prayer to Bob or the Black Lodge.  The giant cannot help Coop; he loses
the first round.

Coop next meets Maddie, who warns him about Laura.  The MFAP tells Coop
about Doppelgangers.  Laura's screaming scares Coop, and he is injured,
but returns to the room to face Laura again and recovers.

Coop next faces Windom Earle, in the guise of Catherine and Annie.  WE
succeeds in confusing Coop about his love for the dead Catherine (but
maybe alive in the Black Lodge) versus his love for Annie.  However,
when he finally confronts Coop and challenges him for his soul, Coop
offers it, and wins this round -- this is his great victory in the Black
Lodge.  Windom Earle is destroyed by Bob, who tells Coop to go.

At this point, Coop should have challenged Bob, I think.  Instead, he
leaves, since he has now won what he thought he came for, i.e., Annie. 
He shouldn't have run from the last test, the confrontation with his
Doppelganger.  In fact, things are OK up until the point just after Coop
meets Leland, who tells him he never killed anyone: i.e., that he is the
"good" Leland captured by Bob and imprisoned in the Black Lodge -- he is
warning Coop that the same could happen to him.  Coop sees his
Doppelganger at the other end of the hall, and instead of confronting
him, he runs in fear, to be defeated just as he's about to exit the
Black Lodge.

The result is, the good Coop is in the Black Lodge, the bad Coop is in
the world, and there to remain until defeated by, perhaps, Briggs, the
Log Lady, Annie, and maybe Truman and Hawk.

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> >Most seem to believe that the Black Lodge is a 'place', 'universe', 'dimention'
> >etc. occupied by evil spirits, dopplegangers and general bad guys. I was 
> >puzzled then by the presence of Maddy and more importantly the Giant/Droolcup
> >whom had seemed, by his actions, to belong to the White Lodge.

The amiguity of the Black Lodge concept gives it a much wider possible
meaning than a single interpretation, but, for what it's worth, I base
my interpretation on the concept of it being a place where the "Dream
Soul" meets its dark opposite.  My guess is that the Black Lodge
appears different to each person who enters it, and that the beings
that he or she meets there are those who have a special significance
in the person's life and are particularly close to whatever it is that
characterizes the person's "dark side".  Those people may not be in
the Black Lodge at all; it may just be that, upon entering the Lodge,
the nearness to the dark side of oneself causes leftover fears,
regrets, hatreds, etc., to take concrete form as people.

I haven't thought this through in detail, but assuming that Cooper is
about to have to confront his worst fear about himself, what might
that fear be and how would these people be related to it?  I think he
sees his conscious mission in life to protect the innocent people from
the evil that seems to consume so many of them.  He is so invested in
this mission that his worst fears would have to be:

1) He is incapable of stopping evil, either because it is simply too
strong, or because he isn't smart enough or capable enough;

2) The innocent are not really innocent;

3) He is capable of doing these evil things himself;

4) The mission itself is flawed, i.e. truly smart people take the side
of evil, only fools try to be good.

In addition, he is probably afraid that he acts as a sort of jinx to
women that he cares about.  (Some of this analysis comes from reading
his autobiography.)

Maddy and Caroline are strong symbols of his past failure.  Bob is a
symbol of the power of evil, Leland saying he didn't kill anybody
could show some unconscious doubt that Cooper might have that he
identified the wrong killer.  The Laura who screams in his face could
stem from a fear that the innocent are not really innocent.  Windom
Earle shows how very intelligent the side of evil can be.  And the
presence of the Giant and Dwarf could taunt him with the sense that
information is being given to him but he is incapable of figuring out
what it means in time.  In Annie he could see his hope for future
happiness mingled with the dread that by letting himself get close to
her, he will cause her death and bring on the pain of loss once again.
Thus, the doppelganger concept could have one single being, i.e.
Cooper's dark side, or his deep fear, taking all these different
forms.

If I can risk further interpretation along these lines, it seems that
he faces a number of these fears reasonably well (although the willingness
to give up his soul to let Annie live may or may not be the best way
to handle the fear tied up in her) but when the doppelganger takes the form of
himself (which I would take to be his fear that he himself is capable
of committing the evil he is trying to fight), that fear consumes and
overcomes him.  He awakens from his dream possessed by that fear, and
so of course he sees Bob when he looks in the mirror, and it appears
for now anyway that he will be driven to act out that fear. 

This doesn't necessarily mean that the Black Lodge is not an actual
place, or that people can't be seen to disappear into it.  I just am
inclined to believe that its appearance and what goes on there is very
much affected by the psyche of the individual dream soul.  For Cooper,
who is so intensely conscious of hidden evil, it makes sense that the
Black Lodge decor would be curtains the color of blood and fire,
which could be hiding anything at all, since one of the scariest
aspects of the evil he tries to fight is that it can stay hidden for
so long, until it suddenly and unexpectedly strikes.

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Most of the people who have watched twin-peaks have the opinion, that
the Black and the White Lodge are different places. And of course this
fact courses a great lot of confusion.

However the Black and White Lodge are ONE AND THE SAME.

If you doubt this fact, then just watch the floor of the Lodge.

Also,
The LMFAP and Laura Palmer are ONE AND THE SAME.
Remember Dale Coopers dream where the LMFAP says:
"Watch out for my cousin (Maddy)" and
"We look just like each other"
Actually Laura Palmer and Maddy are the same actor.

The Giant and the old senile waiter at the Great Nortehrn
are ONE AND THE SAME.
Remember every time the giant showed himself, it was in some kind of
connection with the old senile waiter.

Annie and Coroline are ONE AND THE SAME.
I think this comes clear, when you see the scene from the Lodge
where those shift around in front of Cooper.

And of course
Dale Cooper and Windom Earle are ONE AND THE SAME.
Earle asks Cooper "Will you give up your soul for her" but
Earle cannot ask for Coopers soul because they are the same.
But then Bob replies
"You cannot ask for his soul, but I will take his" (Earles)
And then the great chase begins, which ends with Cooper/Earle being
caught.

Bob is not an inhibitant of the Lodge, he is just a personification of
evil, and therefore he exists in both our world and the Lodge.

As mentioned the two Lodges are the same.
The Lodge is not a place of badness, but of course a mix of good and
bad, because one of those cannot exist seperately.
The Lodge is the dream of the broken hearted as the LMFAP explains in
Industrial Symphony No. 1.
We do all agree that Dale Cooper was a good and loving person, but
finally love broke his heart, which resulted in the fact, that evil
sides of his person caught him.
The Lodge is indeed the waiting room of a persons change.

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*** Windom Earle
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Windom definitely got to experience his favorite emotion to a much greater
degree than he anticipated!

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Was WE then simply lured by BOB to be used as bait for Cooper?  The
whole love/fear thing didn't make much sense.  Apparently, WE needed
Annie to pass through the gateway, but then Cooper didn't need a 2nd
person (soul) to pass through.

What happened to all of the power WE was supposed to have after passing
through?  -- I guess WE was just set up by BOB to think he would gain
power.

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Evil is often represented as a structure with a chain of command.  Perhaps that
is what Lynch & Co. were thinking of when they wrote the scene.  As one
advances through the ranks one gains power to do more and greater evil.  WE was
on a lower rung than BOB and lacked the authority to claim an immortal soul. 
BOB might have had that power.  * (See Sillly Note at bottom)

WE was tricked into believing that he would gain power in the Black Lodge. 
Hardly surprising since the promises were coming from a demonic persona. 
(Isn't Satan sometimes referred to as the Father of Lies?)  Poor ole WE,
demented, duped and disposed of.

*Silly Note  
 When I was writing that paragraph about the structure of evil, I suddenly
thought of direct-sales groups like Amway and Nu-Skin.  BOB might have been the
entity in charge of his little circle of evil souls, and is  trying to go out
and recruit more souls to join the group so that he can get more and more
power.  Maybe he has a structure under him that consists of directors,
sub-directors and entry-level bad guys!  Geez leave it to David Lynch to make
free enterprise resemble hell.
*End Silly Note

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What of WE?  Is he a permanent resident of the BL?  It is interesting
that when WE wants to take Coop's soul, it looks like he is using a knife
but Bob just pulls it out.  And the soul comes out as flames?  Fire, come
walk with me -- Soul, come walk with me?

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>> >> What of WE?  Is he a permanent resident of the BL?  It is interesting
>> >> that when WE wants to take Coop's soul, it looks like he is using a knife
>> >> but Bob just pulls it out.  And the soul comes out as flames?  Fire, come
>> >> walk with me -- Soul, come walk with me?
> >
> > I think it's interesting also that before that happened, Coop already
> > was bleeding from a wound.  Was this the wound (that would follow, ie
> > a premonition)?  Also, puncturing aorta's seems to be WE's trademark...

1) BOB is a magician.  WE is still just a magician wannabe.

2) The wound was much lower.  It was his gunshot wound, not a heart wound.

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I think that the way BOB/BL defeated Dale was to make him doubt his love
for Annie. The "wound" he had was the lingering memory of his first 
tragic love affair with Mrs. Earle. By confusing the images of Annie and
the late Mrs. Earle in Dale's mind, BOB/BL was able to counter the power
of love that allowed Cooper to enter the BL/WL dimension in the first 
place. 

  Another thing... what (if any) significance is there in the amount of
head wounds in TP? In this last two hour movie alone, there was:
    1. Major Briggs' cut.
    2. Nadine and Mike's noggin hits.
    3. Ben Horne's head wound.
    4. Doppleganger Dale's (DD?) self-infliced head wound.

... also, poor Leland's death wound.

FREE D.B. COOPER!!! FREE D.B. COOPER!!! FREE D.B. COOPER!!!

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     Windom was perfect inside the Lodge -- it was obvious how completely
he underestimated what he'd have to deal with.  An excellent characterization
of the madman gleefully calling up the forces of darkness and not realizing
until far too late that they were controlling him instead of vice versa.

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One of my favorite foreshadows of Coop's fate is his hand-carved
whistle.  His is so much smaller, so much more simple than WE's
are - a powerful image of just how much Coop is out of his league
with WE.

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According to Coop's Autobiography (and TP), he thought WE had faked insanity
with the help of halperidol to draw attention away from himself as the best
candidate for Caroline's murder. My impression is the WE could have gotten
himself out any time he wanted.  He was waiting for the right moment, namely,
when the Jupiter and Saturn came together as the Major reported.  I'm not
saying that WE knew when that moment would be, but rather that he was waiting
for something and realized that it was 'happening again' and where without
knowing precisely where or when.  That he needed the map and the Major for.

However, an intriguing possibility is that WE has been under BOB's control (or
someone else with BL associations) for a long time as a result of having gotten
a little to close to the BL while he was working on Project Blue Book.  BOB or
who/whatever parked him in the loony bin until the time was right again and
summoned/reactivated him.

It is possible that BOB has similar plans for Coop, but I don't think they are
going to succeed, though the point is probably moot now unless the series, like
Coop, comes back from the dead in some form or another.

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General discussion on the finale is divided into the following topics:

*** Finale haters
*** Finale lovers
*** Humor
*** Movie
*** Plot developments (potential)
*** Unanswered questions
*** Why TP didn't catch on
*** A happy ending

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*** Finale haters
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Subject: TP: Concise, non-spoiler comments on TWIN PEAKS conclusion

Well, *that* was unpleasant.

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ARRGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! Noooooooooooooooooooo, not cooper!!!  I'm dying!
I can't believe that Lynch did this to us!!!!!!

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Typical Lynch!

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How much do you want to bet the Twin Peaks finale gets a "Jeer" in an
upcoming TV Guide's "Cheers and Jeers" column?

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My review:

The first hour and a half:  Tedious and boring.
Pete, Audrey, and Packard:  They blew up REAL good.
The black(red) lodge:  Dense and inscrutable.
The ending:  Really fucking funny.  I loved it.

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Subject: FINALE MY A**!!!!!!!

I am not happy.

Although I thought that the Black Lodge sequence was pretty lame, I don't mind
ending the series with Bob possessing Cooper.  In fact, I consider that to be
one of the redeeming qualities of the last show.  But I have way too many
subordinate plotlines to be pissed off about.

First of all, I thought Lynch was better than using the asinine "impact on the
head" cliche to bring back Nadine's memory and personality.  Silly me.

Dammit, I LIKED AUDREY!  I DID NOT WANT HER DEAD!  At the very least, I wish
Lynch had shown definitely whether she was killed or not, although we can be
pretty sure she was.

I was so hoping that Dick would die a slow, painful death.  Damn.

Just when you thought that the Donna/James was the dumbest plotline Lynch could
or would produce, we get Donna's "Who's my daddy?" BS.  Also, I liked Donna a
whole lot better before she started trying too hard to look and act "grown up".

A couple scenes I did like: Leostein releasing Major Briggs, and the repeated
dialogue from the first season in the double-R.

Spiders hanging over Leo's head.  So, Mr. Lynch, how many hours did you spend
repeatedly watching the Indiana Jones movies before you wrote the script for
this episode?

I wanted to see some old friends.  Gordon, Jerry, Albert, and one or more owls.
Again, damn.

Anyway, back to the main story.  Although I thought the lodge scenes were lame
and boring, the stuff that happened was pretty good.  If there ever is a
continuation, I think Andy should play one of the most important parts in
fighting the evil in the woods.  He seems to be the closest to being so pure
and innocent that he doesn't have enough "darkness" in his soul for Bob to
latch onto.  Andy just has this sort of near-perfect Zen vacuity.

My overall evaluation: DAMN!  (and I don't mean "damn good" either)

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I am flat out ANGRY.

I am angry that we see Dale running around in a STUPID set - that
the White Lodge scarcely makes an appearance - and I DONT mean the
stupid appearance of the trio  before the Doppleganger sequence.

I am angry that Coop never mentions or acts upon the Giant'a
warning from before the pagent.

I am angry that we see the Dr so out of character in attacking Ben
and then, a while later, standing over Coop.

I am angry that Mike did not show up in the sequence.

I felt good about the show up until the Red Room sequence.  From that point
on I felt cheated - as if all ideas had ran out and so resorting to
stream of conciousness (or unconciousness as the case may be) was
the final solution.

I am too angry to talk about the first 90 minutes right now - maybe
later.

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> >Myself, I am flat out ANGRY.
> >
    Yep, me too - though I am most angry with myself for investing 2hrs.
of my time to watch this "last episode". But, it was pretty much what I
expected, I guess. They have been making things up as they've gone along,
using style and bizarreness as a substitute for a truly cohesive, well thought
out, and interesting story line. In other words, the writing has been terrible
for quite a while. And to harness Coop with the evil entity Bob at the end was
a cheap and easy shot. Bullshit! 

    All this made-for-t.v.-movie was was a ploy by d. lynch to get t.p.
viewers to write the network demanding more episodes. Ha! The jokes on us.

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> > All this made-for-t.v.-movie was was a ploy by d. lynch to get t.p.
> > viewers to write the network demanding more episodes. Ha! The jokes on
> > us. 

What "made-for-TV-movie" ploy?  ABC had two first-run episodes left on a
series that they had canceled, and figured that they could make a little
bit more money by airing both together in a two-hour block.  The two
episodes were written and filmed as the last two episodes of the season,
not of the series.  Nobody promised that everything would be wrapped up
at the end of the last episode.

I can understand being annoyed at having TP end with a dozen unresolved
cliffhangers, but if you want to blame someone for that, blame all the
people who wimped out on the show early this season, not Mark Frost and
David Lynch.  I think they did a great job, especially considering the
medium they were working with -- series television.  If Lynch gets to do
the theatrical movie, you can bet that I'll be first in line, regardless
of how it ties in with the TV series . . . TWIN PEAKS with a motion-picture
budget and shot on a motion-picture schedule (as opposed to the episode-a-
week constraints that drained a lot of the life out of the series during
the second season) will be a wonder to behold.  Remember the pilot.

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> > I felt good about the show up until the Red Room sequence.  From that point
> > on I felt cheated - as if all ideas had ran out and so resorting to
> > stream of conciousness (or unconciousness as the case may be) was
> > the final solution.

I really liked these images.  It tied up the dream sequenced very
nicely, it was unnerving, and enough to weird out even Cooper
(apparently!).  It was very weird!  It reminded me of the main idea
behind an episode of the Avengers called "The House that Jack Built".
In this one, Emma Peal (I think) was trapped in side of a bizarre,
reconfiguring house.  It was set up so that leaving a room could take
you back to the same room (halls "silently" rotated, etc)... That was
strange, but tonite takes the cake.  And...I'm still pissed!!!!!!

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> > I am angry that Coop never mentions or acts upon the Giant'a
> > warning from before the pagent.

Cooper was probably caught up in the moment. Love makes you do strange things,
and blind to others. Perhaps his mind was elsewhere. (Probably on that
gratuitous love scene first half of the finale)

> > I am angry that we see the Dr so out of character in attacking Ben
> > and then, a while later, standing over Coop.

Ben Horne just told a secret that could possibly destroy Hayword's family.
What is your idea of his "proper" response? I'd like to know. After Donna
confronting him those couple times, I'm sure he was building up a lot of anger,
and after seeing Horne in his house, he exploded. Just because he is normally
a calm guy, he can't get mad?

> > I felt good about the show up until the Red Room sequence.  From that point
> > on I felt cheated - as if all ideas had ran out and so resorting to
> > stream of conciousness (or unconciousness as the case may be) was
> > the final solution.

Hmmm. I guess we are opposite. I was pretty dissappointed with most of the
show, UP UNTIL the Black Lodge. I'm sure I'll iterate on that in the near
future.

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After Coop entered, oh, about the eight curtained room, I kept hoping his
Eagle Scout training would kick in, and he'd make a map of the place.  (The
whole Black Lodge bit bored me silly.  I really got spooked by some of
Lynch's images from last year, and early this year; nothing here came across
as particularly frightening.  Laura laughing insanely was just annoying; my
first reaction:  "Where's a rolled-up newspaper?")

I really wish I'd been watching the NORTHERN EXPOSURE repeat on CBS.

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Even if this WAS leading up to more movies, I still think it was a lame
attempt at a finale. I've been watching this wonderful offbeat show for
a year and a half now, WHAT A DISAPPOINTMENT FOR AN ENDING!!! I figured
everything would be explained/tied up. Nope, now we're left with clues
to what MAY be happening in the future (Coop posessed by Bob?
Puh-leeeeeezzzzz!). Why kill Audrey? What was in the safety deposit box
to begin with? Why wasn't the white lodge explained? Why was Cooper
stupid enough to let Annie in the contest after the Giant told him in
plain gestures "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!". In any case, I was VERY
disappointed with it. Even if TP makes it into the theaters, you won't
see me wasting $7.00 on it.

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I could sum up my feelings in three simple words, but I am going to control
myself and try to discuss it logically - if that is possible!!!!

Like millions of other people, I was titilated by the thought of a series
that is (or was) so off beat.  Several of the characters were weird
enough to be interesting, and the situations that they fouind themselves in
were certainly strange enough to keep my interest.  Unfortunately, things
seemed to end there ...

As we all know at this point, Lynch / Frost clearly didn't have the faintest
clue what the hec they were doing, nor did they even take the time to try to
"find out"!!!  I could list all of the plotlines that were not resolved, but
that would take pages and pages (screens and screens) and there is no point.

Let me just say that:

1.   Although it has nothing to do with the successful conclusion of
     the story, it would have been nice to see Dianne.

2.   No real reason or purpose was given for the murders of the various 
     girls.

3.   No reason was given for the letters under their fingernails - except to
     let us know that BOB was involved.

4.   Nadine's sudden return to the real world was totally stupid - although,
     considering what else was going on, not unexpected.

5.   Ths situation with Donna's father, after hitting and presumably killing
     Ben would probably end up in involuntary man slaughter, although we 
     should also find out how things turned out between Donna's parents after
     the doc killed her father.

6.   All that foolishness in the "Dark Lodge" was exactly that.  There was no
     real purpose behind any of it, except to wast time.  Cooper should have
     been able to free himself because of his love for Annie (remember that
     there were two lodges - one entered through fear and one through love.
     It may beargued that Cooper shouldn't have even entered the 
     "Dark Lodge" because he had nothing to fear.  He should have been 
     able to rescue Annie from within the "white lodge" <?>.
     Traditionally, the devil i.e. BOB cannot overcome true love, which is 
     what we are supposed to believe had developed between Cooper and Annie.)
     Cooper should have been able to escape - rather than coming
     in contact with his Doppleganger.

     Dopplegangers have been around in various forms for years.  The word 
     is German and - if memory serves - you vanish if you or meet your
     Doppleganger.  Cooper should have vanished on first seeing his
     Doppleganger, but considering all the other goof-ups Lynch / Frost
     have made what the hec?

     The business with him being shot again led me to think that maybe he
     had actually died when he was shot - even though he had his vest on.  I
     was also aware that the giant was related to BOB and that he was
     evil.

7.   What was the significance of the midget?  

8.   Why would Laura tell cooper that she would see him again in 25 years?

9.   We never found out what happened to Jossie - I wonder if she likes living
     in a drawer handle?

     I could list more, but I think this makes the point.  The show 
turned out to be a complete waste of time (mine) and I doubt that I will be 
going out of my way to view things by Lynch / Frost again. 

     For all you DIE HARD TWIN PEAKS FANS, I feel sorry for you.  I would 
like to suggest that you have been taken to the cleaners in a bitg way.

I AM REALLY GLAD I DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY MONEY TO SEE THIS SHOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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o I never expected to see all plotlines tied up - that would defeat
the idea of follow on movies.

o I thought that the first 90 minutes were great -only at the
end did it appear that someone, perhaps a 4 year old, got ahold
of the typewriter and finished things up.

Re: 1.  I agree that it would have been nice to see Dianne - I was
        surprised to see Ben's wife and have NO idea why she appeared.

Re: 4.  It didnt surprise me - but it DID disappoint me.

Re: 6.  I agree - after all of the build up about love, I was disappointed
        that the most we see is the cooper stabbing and unstabbing.

Re: 6.  I think that Coopers blood was from a stabbing - not from
        another shooting.

Re: 7.  Previously folks believed him to be a symbol of leland.

Re: 8.  The first dream took place 25 yrs in the future, with Dale as
        an old man.  The last dream refers back to the previous dream.
        
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I agree that the last episode was weak for a finale, but we must remember
that "Twin Peaks" was cancelled, and that what we saw were simply the last
two episodes that had been made when the show received its walking papers.
I do understand that two versions of the final episode (part 2 of what we
saw) were made - one in case the series was picked up for another season,
and one in case it was not.  Resolving something with the scope of
"Twin Peaks" in one hour of time would be a seriously difficult thing to do,
but this was exactly what Lynch and Frost had to try to do.

There are rumors that a "Twin Peaks" movie will be made.

Looking back over the entire course of the series, I think we're trying to use
logic here.  Maybe we should just let this one go . . .  :)

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    I asked Scott Frost specifically whether they had reshot
    any portion of the final episode(s) when it became known
    that Peaks wouldn't continue on ABC.  The answer was that
    nothing was reshot -- the season ending was left as it
    would have been if the show had continued next season.

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   If that is a series finale someone should shoot Lynch and Frost. Nothing
was tied up, things are now more in the air than ever before and I
definitely feel cheated. I guess now I'll just have to wait for a movie,
and there had better be one. 
  P.S. - I think that this finale would be a very intense experience on
acid. Anybody watch it in such an altered state?
  Now I don't want to say the show was bad, it had some of the best imagery
yet and I was on the edge of my seat for most all of it. But still....

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Interesting watching the reactions to the finale.  So far, they seemed to
be:

1) Disappointment--the good guys lose.
2) Disappointment--the ending was boring.
3) Loved it--the good guys lose.
4) Loved it--the ending was enigmatic.

Mine is:

5) Disappointment--the ending was not particularly well done.

I don't mind the enigma or the hanging plot threads, I don't mind the
good guys losing, and I like Lynch's sense of slow pace (cf
Eraserhead).  What I didn't like was that he completely failed to do
anything (artistically) new with The Red Room, except for the
interesting strobe effect on Cooper's face.  It wasn't nearly as
visually arresting as the original dream sequence; all the subtleties
of that original sequence (the lighting, the floating shadows) seemed
to be missing.  It just felt like a room with a bunch of red curtains,
not The Red Room.  Moreover, he failed to develop any new themes.

My impression of the whole series is that Lynch was less and less
involved with it in the second season, and came back to do a
perfunctory job on the ending.  The writers, having a bunch of loose
hints and themes to tie together in one episode, went for the
enigmatic route, but failed to give it any sense of depth.  It
wouldn't have been so bad if they had at least bothered to make it
look like they knew what they were doing.

(Visual) style over (plot) substance would have been fine had there
been any style, but there was none besides the rehashed elements from
the third episode of the first season.

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That was it?

That was the Vision of Twin Peaks?

Death.  Pain.  Desolation.  Dreams broken, souls defiled, all worthwhile 
achievements brought to nothing.  Tragedy lacking nobility, meaningless and
without redemption. 

Or was it a temper tantrum- "If I can't enjoy my toys any more, I'll break
them so no one else ever will?"

At least Andy and Lucy turned out well...
                                        ...unless it really is the Spawn of
                                           Evil she's carrying....
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> >At least Andy and Lucy turned out well...

Actually, I didn't realize until last night the possible parallel between 
Andy:Lucy:Dick:baby and Doc:Mrs. H:Ben:Donna.

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I can't believe it's over!  I want to know MORE!  Last night's final episode
left me with mixed emotions - I loved it and hated it.  Some scenes I found
incredibly boring - as if they were stalling for time: the banker SLOWLY
shuffling back and forth with Audrey's water....., Cooper running up and down,
up and down, up and down between the red curtains...., too much play on the
contestants of the "Miss Twin Peaks" contest.  Towards the end, I kept jerking
my head back towards the clock to see how many minutes were left, thinking "Oh
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I was not terribly impressed with the final show.  Perhaps my expectations
were artificially heightened by weeks without Peaks.  Stunning visuals, yes,
and I've certainly never seen anything like that on broadcast television. 
 
All through the final red-room (Black Lodge) sequences, I kept thinking
back to the first few episodes -- a dark, ominous murder mystery in a 
place where things Aren't Quite Right under the surface -- of rich visuals
and textures -- and a definite chill in the air.
 
And when all has (apparently) been said and done, we're left with our hero
trotting around through an art-deco hell of curtains, strobe lights, and
uncomfortable furniture.
 
I can't quite figure out when and where it happened, but somewhere I think
the show led me from television-grade thriller, down a path through the
strange and wonderful, and straight into Just Plain Silly.

I think the fabric started to unravel for me when I began to understand
that the horrors in Twin Peaks were *not* the manifestations of evil within,
but from Something Outside.  It's the former that I find more frightening;
I group the latter with bad horror and science-fiction movies that are
found on late night or afternoon television.

I've got a funny taste in my mouth.

I need to brush my teeth.

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Many commenters have expressed their disappointment with the season finale
and get wailed on by the extreme fanatics who can't take criticism in stride.
I have enjoyed Twin Peaks from the very first episode because of the intrigue
and mystery (and strangeness) and for anybody who likes a good mystery there
has to be some resolution of the mystery at some point.  I enjoyed the episode
up until the final 15 or 20 minutes (except for Nadine getting zonked on the
head) because things were coming together and finally making sense.  I didn't
even mind Audrey and Pete getting blown up in the bank. I don't understand why
their characters were so senselessly discarded but I didn't really question it.
(Maybe they aren't dead.  Right.)  Anyhow, nothing about the ending made a bit
of sense.  There was no proper resolution and we have no idea why things
happened the way they did.  There is no reason that Coop should have been
possesed (or his doppleganger should have gotten out - see we don't even know
this much!) If some theories that I have read in this group are correct then
I can understand (like Coop really wasn't pure with his love or whatever) but
we were given no clue that this was the reason.  It was just an untidy, silly,
ending.  I couldn't even feel chilled by the fact that Coop was actually
possessed (or whatever). I just kept screaming, that doesn't make a bit of
sense.  I think those of us who disliked the finale don't deserve criticism
for not having a tidy little ending.  I think, instead, the writers deserve
criticism for not resolving things in a logical or sensible manner (at least
in the Twin Peaks sense) whether the outcome was good or bad.

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Am I alone in this, or were there others who rooted for an "asteroid-
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Don't know about you, but I had nightmares. Woke up at
2:30 in the morning incredulous that Lynch could do this to us.
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> > You all know Lynch doesn't believe in happy endings.  You all KNOW that.

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   Watching this episode was like watching TWIN PEAKS put a gun to its
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I can't *believe* that Lynch did that. We went to bed really angry and
feeling cheated. And to think that we passed up an opportunity to play
BINGO with a bunch of elderly people (really). At least I recorded
Northern Exposure while watching TP. To me, this brings new meaning to
the phrase Lynch mob - that's what I'd like to organize. I really took
it as a f*ck you from Lynch - either directed at us or at ABC. I can't
even express how pissed off I am. After all...

Is Audrey dead?

What about Ghostwood?

Is Ben dead?

How is Donna?     

What ever happened to James? (I know, who cares...:-)  )

What about Leo?

Is WE dead?

What about Cooper?

What about the log? Is it her dead husband?

What about Annie?

What happened to Josie-in-a-box?

What will Catherine do?

What about Nadine?

What about Ed and (oh shit, what is her name?)

What about James and Shelley?

I could go on and on and on, but I'm sure you get an idea about how I feel

:-(  :-(  :-(  :-(  :-(

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   I believe that last night's final episode of Twin Peaks is
David Lynch's way of saying, "You!  You watch too much television.
Stop it!  Why don't you just watch movies instead.  Movies are better.
This wouldn't have happened if this had been a movie, now wouldn't it?!"

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My gripe list:

Certain scenes seemed as though the show ran short and some filler was needed.
One example is the bank scene. I agree that it was pretty humorous, but I'd
rather not spend 5 minutes watching an old man look confused. The ending was
great, though! Another example was Lana's dance at the pagent. Cute, but it
seemed kind of long to me. (Not enough time to meet Diane this season, but
plenty for an old man walking, girls dancing, etc.) There are others, but I'll
spare you the details.

   Oh, surprise, surprise. Nadine gets her memory back by a blow to the head.
The cure-all for anybody with memory problems, used in every stupid sitcom
ever made. I suppose to could be argued that in using this method, the writers
were simply casting light on the stupidity for other shows using it. DON'T
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I am so pissed at Lynch. I waited *months* to see this show, and I could
have spent two hours doing something much more productive and getting
a life.

I didn't expect *all* the loose ends to be tied up, but Lynch left so many 
major things hanging, that it's not even worth mentioning them all. Many
of them were things that he had built up to be very significant (such as
BOB finding his way out of the Black Lodge in the last show before the 
final hiatus!) If BOB apparently no longer needs a host, why is he inside
Coop now?

The whole show just annoyed me. The drawn-out scene in the bank was a time
waster. And all those minutes of Coop running in and out of red rooms was
dizzying and annoying. Laura Palmer's screaming was unnerving and cloying. 
And Naedine getting clunked on the head and regaining her memory was so 
predictable. 

As for Cooper looking in the mirror and seeing BOB, about a dozen people on
this newsgroup "predicted" that months ago. 

I wanted to be knocked off my seat! I wanted to be blown away!

Twin Peaks has, in my opinion, ended with a small whimper and a bunch
of stupid cliches. Even if there is a movie, I won't pay $7 to see it. 

I'm disapponted, angry, annoyed, and just plain pissed off. I think that
we deserved a finale that was much better thought-out. I consider last
night's show an insult.

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The stuff with coop as bob scared the crapola out of everyone, that was 
beautifully done, but when the credits stared rolling right after that, I
felt cheated- as if we were given a fine meal on silver plates, and nothing
to eat it with....

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I don't know which was worse.  The fact that T.P. ended in a flaccid
wash of obtuse, capricious, and pointless imagery (not to mention
repetitive and dull), or that I turned off a perfectly good Pirates game
to watch it.

Let's pray for a better movie, minus the scatter-shot scripts that piss
away so much valuable energy on gratuitous subplots.  And if the
symbolism is going to be this obscure, a written backgrounder would be
helpful for those of us who don't care to grope for cohesive, unifying
themes in this sargasso sea of false starts, dangling references, and
deadwood.

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I'm in the "What a great last episode!; what a bunch of whiners some of you 
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry...had to get that out of my system...I've been wanting to scream all
night.

Not that I didn't like it.  I LOVED it.  There really was no other way to end
it, IMHO.  It's just that David Lynch (quite intentionally) makes me VERY
VERY VERY NERVOUS.

Comments/suggestions/threats?

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Lynch reads this newsgroup, Hi DAVE! ;-) How's Annie?

Thanks for ending it the way we said it should!

Bye Now!

See ya next series!

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Well now....hmmmm.....uh....  I have to say I liked it.  But I'm not *pleased*
at that ending.  I too hope that's not all she wrote.

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I loved it! All of it! Ready for more!

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  In the final analysis?  I liked it.  Lynch did NOT wimp out.  I
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}What I didn't like was that he completely failed to do
}anything (artistically) new with The Red Room, except for the
}interesting strobe effect on Cooper's face.  It wasn't nearly as
}visually arresting as the original dream sequence; all the subtleties
}of that original sequence (the lighting, the floating shadows) seemed
}to be missing.  It just felt like a room with a bunch of red curtains,
}not The Red Room.  Moreover, he failed to develop any new themes.

I'll disagree with you a bit here. The Red Room was even more disturbing
as it was than if it had been purposefully built up as A Weird Place.
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That was intense. I know a lot of you are going to be disappointed, since
this was supposed to be the big finale. But I have some advice for you.
Just look at this episode as if it were the *season* finale for Season 2,
then think about what would be happening next fall (or in the theatrical
release, Lynch willing).

Oh, wow.

The first half was just like the standard TP episode, with standard
cliffhanger. But Lynch...is God. *shiver*

I was looking for some big spiritual convergence ("tell him about the
twinkie"), and that's what there was: Laura, Maddy, Leland, TMFAP, the
Giant, Senor Drool Cup, BOB, Windom, Carolyne, Annie, the whole crew
is here. Damn good show. And hot too.

I refuse to think about the mundane activities in the town, but I must say
that when Thomas' "gift" turned out to be a box for a key, I thought
briefly, "Trap?" Audrey blowed up? *wah!*

Since Cooper is BOB-possessed, I see it as Major Briggs' duty to rescue 
him. After all, "I am waiting for you." 

That ending has to be the most frightening scene on this show since BOB
in a boxcar earlier this season! "How's Annie? How's Annie? How's Annie?"

*SHUDDER*

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It's over. All I can say is...

    Wow, Bob, wow.
    
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Very nice....

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Heh heh.  I am amused.

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This was the first episode to actually get some sort of fear reaction
from my system.  The last half hour was pretty disturbing, and sort
of neat.  Laura was really scary.

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I sat riveted to the last 80min especially, twitching
and KNOWING all hell was gonna break loose!  It did.  LYNCH
you are the MAN of ultra coolness!  The drawn out scenes that
some complain of "red room" and maybe that banker getting Audrey
wauter were absolutely wonderful.  Adding to the suspense and
possible "personal interpretation" was the redroom, and the banker for
sheer humor/torture making me bust out.  What a subtle yet mean touch.

I did think it was the most amazing thing I've seen on tv.  especially
imagery wise.  Sure some answers never get let out, but hell details...
I mean I didnt expect to have some producer DUMP answers on me so I
knew  every tiny details.  That is what we imagine and have this 
group for....TP was about not having things laid out before you like
we're kids.  Life aint like that and peaks brings out the wild side
of the world.  Evil sometime wins, and shocking to find out the
"hero" has lost.  So I sit here a bit stunned and overwhelmed.
But also very, strangely happy - and electric at the ending.  damn fine!
I have to go brush my teeth.  That's when I felt it.  wham.

A true gem, Mr. Lynch!  Bravo.

It's 1114pm here, and a local AM talk show has TP on it's
"discussion" list tonight.  They just cut to the theme song.
ouch.  I may cry.

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What a bunch of crybabies!!!
 
       WAH!!!  I wanna know what Bob is!
       WAH!!!  Lynch didn't tie up all the loose ends!
       WAH!!!  I didn't understand it!
       WAH!!!  Captain Ahab didn't kill Moby Dick!
       WAH!!!  I don't know why Gregor Samsa turned into a bug!
       WAH!!!  The castaways didn't get rescued from Gilligan's Island!
 
Give me a break!  Those who wanted answers out of the finale have
never caught on to the beauty of Lynch's art.  Lynch has never tried
to provide any answers in his work, from Eraserhead on to Twin Peaks. 
What he does, and does wonderfully enough to keep me tuning in to
Twin Peaks for these many months, is ask questions.  Great questions. 
Big questions.  All great literature, great works of art, are like
that.  Pat answers are for those who can't face the ambiguity of
truth.  There are many correct answers, correct interpretations.  The
fun lies in coming up with them.  Those who've posted that they're
angry with the show are missing out on the fun.

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Personally...I LOVED it....that was the consensus  here in Iowa City! I was
on the edge of my seat and completely chewed the nails off my right hand...
well...not the ENTIRE nail...just the white part at the top that...well..you
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Well, I've already gotten a piece of email from someone who didn't like the
finale.  To bad for them.  I liked it!  The ending still disturbs me, as Coop
was an awfully important hero to me, but, there were a lot other things to
like about the episode.

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I have always felt TP was intended by Lynch/Frost to be a joke on the viewers.
 Especially in the way it made fun of standard television trademarks (quotes fr
om other movies/shows, weak plot lines, and emphasis on the strangeness of situ
ations).  My inclination that TP was always intended as a joke to the viewer st
ems from an article I read before the series was first aired (might have been R
olling Stone).  I think Lynch even said that the story lines were written in re
lation to the commericials being shown.  An example would be the Dunkin Donuts
ad that ran after the Laura-upside-down coffee cup credits.  Of course Dunkin D
onuts was advertising for their super large size cup of coffee.  Coincidence?
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I actually don't want any more episodes, don't want a movie, don't 
want it all tied up: It is tied up. If it's true they knew or had guessed 
during the season that it wouldn't be renewed, then the final hour we 
saw is the best solution imaginable: not hurried, implausible ending 
to all plot lines; not a continued drift forward; but a restatement of
big themes and images, with old characters returning, and strong
new developments to carry away with you.
  
That is, if there need to be cliffhangers that never get resolved,
these are the best that could be.
  
The long sequence in the curtained rooms was a joy: it made me 
happy to see Bob triumph over prosaic evil, and to see all those 
people again. These returns were echoed in the "real" narrative
by Sylvia (Mrs. Ben) Horne's reappearance for the first time in, 
what?, twenty episodes? 
  
And the best thing, the perfect closure, the person I'd been hoping 
for weeks we'd see before the fade: The German waitress, just as we 
saw her in the very first diner scene, having the same conversation.
For always. In Heaven, nothing ever happens.

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I praise ABC for letting it on the air in the first place. I praise Lynch and
Frost for not losing their vision and "dumbing up" the show. And I curse ABC
for pulling the plug. Unfortunately, programmers live and die by ratings. Even
though I think TP is one of the most ardently watched shows in america. Look
at the merchandise and books, for example. But it's an audience that doesn't
show up on ratings. It's a young audience, a demographically strong audience..
and I'm sure we'll all be there when TP returns.. whenever that is.

The gum we like will one day come back in style. Until that day...

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Overall, I enjoyed the episode.  I did not, as some may, expect a blow-out
of a finale because IMHO, I did't think Lynch would do it.  He would finish the
series as planned.  By changing it, he would have bowed to the dark spirits of
ABC (Black Lodge??).  If anyone expected all the loose ends to be tied up,
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Well, I loved it.  I haven't been reading this group recently, and I
usually don't go this much into detail about television shows, but
this was the best damned two hours of entertainment this person's had
in a long while, and dammit, I'll make a fool of myself on USENET if I
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One thing I liked about the finale is that it cleaned up a lot of the
stupid side plots, creating a clear ground for a movie concentrating on
Bob, Coop, Truman, and Annie.  The whole Nadine thing is resolved (at
least, it's back to an ordinary triangle), Andrew, Pete, and Audrey are
dead (going to miss Pete; I'm surprised Lynch would kill off his old
friend), Windom Earle is finally out of the picture, all the clutter has
been cleared away -- all those side plots that the TV series (may have)
needed to fill in the time available are eliminated to make space for
the much shorter movie to come.

The other thing I liked is, the utter triumph of evil.  I doubt that
anybody is going to immediately pick up on Bob's impersonation of Coop
(or, if you prefer, Coop's evil twin replacing him) right away, and even
if they did, what would they do?  The Major and the Log Lady will
probably know, and Annie will likely figure it out.  Bob will have a
free rein for a while.  On the other hand, Coop did defeat WE, and get
Annie back, though she's not particularly safe.  Only Lynch would be
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I think this was a great season finale, and is probably better than any 
'series finale' that they may have come up with.  You want a sense of
closure, go read a harlequin romance.   Lynch has left us with an open
wound in our cerebral cortex (brain damage?).  I don't think it would be
possible to terminate all the major and minor plotlines in this series,
short of some sort of (choose one) mass murder/ alien invasion /nuclear
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   First of all, cheers to Angelo Badalementi for the new suspense theme. I like
it! That eeiry tune will be with me the rest of my days.)
(And while I'm at it, my vote goes for his other piece that debuted quite
a while ago. How to classify it... new love theme? I don't know.)

"...she has lived here for about 15 minutes!" - Dwayne Milford
(if you totaled Annie's on-screen appearences, wouldn't this be close?)

   The end of the pagent was incredible. It saved the episode, in my opinion.
(I wasn't too thrilled with the rest of the show.) Perhaps strobelight
action/suspence scenes exist in other places, but I haven't seen one. Even
so, this one was executed beautifully.

   I've seen some negative comments on the "Red Room" sequence. One simple
comment - "Pure Lynch". (That's a compliment, boy.)

   Okay, the ending. If this were a cliffhanger, it would be great ending.
We would be spellbound all summer, waiting to find out what happens. But
assuming Lynch knew that the show was over by this time...

... IT WOULD BE AN EVEN BETTER ENDING! When Coop was in bed and was told 
Annie was Ok, I thought "oh boy, another wishy-washy ending. How predictable."
Of course, just seeing that Coop was near a mirror was enough to give the
secret away, but not the ending. I'm sorry if you don't agree with me, but
doesn't it get boring when everything concludes with a happy ending? Now we
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The show was a astounding success if only for the fact that we get
to see everybody make fools of themselves on alt.tv.twin-peaks:

1.) hundreds of people who have deluded themselves into thinking they liked
    the episode and seem to be experiencing orgasm as a result
2.) hundreds of people who have deluded themselves into thinking they hated
    the episode and seem to be frothing at the mouth about to kill someone

I don't think anything since _The Prisoner_ has caused this much foolishness.

This is why I like Lynch so much.  Only a true genius could make so many
people view a television program as a personal gift/attack.

1.) The Singing Detective
2.) The Prisoner

and only then

3.) Twin Peaks

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Subject: Final epsiode = 15 million thumbs up.

I love it!  The perfect ending. Audrey, Pete, Ben, Andrew all toast,
Coop in the black lodge forever, WE with a flame-induced lobotomy, and
Killer Bob on top of the world.  Kinda makes you feel like the end of
"It's a Wonderful Life", don't it?

"How's Annie? How's Annie? How's Annie? HOW'S ANNIE? H-O-W-'-S A-N-N-I-E?
HOW'S ANNNNNNIIIIIIIIEEEEEE???????"

Hee hee!

That Killer Coop, he's a pistol!  Think he'll be on "Comic Strip
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The crybabies who are moaning on the net that Lynch/Frost did not spoon
fed them a TV pablum finale tied up in a pretty bow are a bunch of
wimps!  Good art stimulates the mind and is not necessarily "pretty" or
"pat"!  I say that it is fine that there are many unanswered questions
left, especially a huge humdinger of a question.  All this discussion
shows just how much peoples minds have been stimulated!  Think of what
Cooper and Briggs faced!  The crybabies mental anguish is about as
significant as an pine weasel fart in a forest with noone to hear it.

The best part about the ending is the scope that it opens up for Kyle
MacLachlan.  His acting in "Blue Velvet", "The Hidden", and "Twin
Peaks" has been remarkable for its restraint and subtlety.  Given the
chance at the end of the 2nd season finale to cut loose, he cut loose!
There is bound to be a sequel be it another season somehow or, as seems
more likely at this point, a film.  Well, Kyle now has the chance to be
really expressive and I look forward to it.  I thought that the way he
laughed at the end was very short, but brilliant acting.  Lesser actors
would not be able to achieve such level of verisimilitude, the way he
cranked up the intensity in such a brief interval.

One thing that I think is great about Lynch's art in creating Twin
Peaks is that he so often does the "obvious" and gets away with it by
investing it with a heavy load of mythmaking, whimsy, and heart, much
like George Lucas uses the same three elements.

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This was definitely the wierdest two hours of televison I've ever seen.
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Seriously, I give the ending a major thumbs-up.  David Lynch knew what the
audience wanted, and he refused to give it to them.  (Kinda like "Fall Out",
as someone said.)  He staged long drawn-out scenes, explained nothing, and
tossed out a giant cliffhanger even when he knew that ratings were shaky
at best.  All in all, a wonderful in-your-face to the conventions of normal
network drama(mine).  And who knows, ten years down the road (a la Fall Out
again) we might even understand it...  That was his best gift to the fans,
leaving them things to puzzle over.

Am I alone in hoping that there won't be a thirtysomething-style TV movie
wrapup, or a 25-years-later redroom flick, or even a prequel that gives it
all away?  Those would spoil the fun.  If they do a prequel, it should be
just about Laura Palmer and her death -- stark, realistic, like the pilot --
and leave the fans the pleasure of wondering what it all means.

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Global Television [in Canada], in uplinking the show on Sunday, followed the
program with the usual title screen indicating the feed was over, with the
added words at the bottom: 

                   By the way, "How's Annie?"

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"How's Annie?" "Oh, she's OK, just a mild case of Frost bite..."

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> >After Coop entered, oh, about the eight curtained room, I kept hoping his
> >Eagle Scout training would kick in, and he'd make a map of the place.  

"You are in a twisty maze of red-curtained rooms, all alike."

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When I saw this cat, everything became clear to me.  All along, we've
been getting this whole Black Lodge thing wrong.  It's not the Black
Lodge, it's the Black *Lounge*!

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Q: What did the Dalai Lama say to the hot dog salesman?
A: Make me one with everything.

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> >(Let's start thinking of titles for those movies, y'all.)

Twin Peaks: The Motion Picture
Twin Peaks II: The Wrath of Bob
Twin Peaks III: The Search for Coop

(I couldn't resist.)

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Favorite line:

Audrey (Recently De-flowered): It's only been a day.  I hope it doesn't
                   hurt this much in a week.
                   
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> > Audrey (Recently De-flowered): It's only been a day.  I hope it doesn't
> >                  hurt this much in a week.   

This is the most twisted thing I've read all day.

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> > Perhaps the mark the major and the log lady have is due to facing the
> > black lodge and NOT getting corrupted....If so, perhaps he made it to
> > the white lodge...
> > 

Probably the giant is actually the doorman for the White lodge and if you pass
the test, he will stamp your hand (neck or whatever) as you leave so you can
get back in later ...

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"We're here in front of world-famous Maurice's Cafe and Deli in
 downtown Pittsburg.  Today, we've replaced the fine coffee they
 usually serve with dark, sparkling Black Lodge Coffee.  Let's
 see what people think."

"Black Lodge Coffee?  I can't believe it!  It tastes so...
 so...so...EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!"

"Coffee?  Coffee.  Coffee!  Coffee."

"Oh!  Is that why it's so good?  It certainly is a step up
 from Maurice's usual General Foods International Coffee crap!"

"Who's the midget?"

"Well, that proves it folks.  Black Lodge Coffee - fine enough to be
served in the world's (or at least Pittsburg's) finest restaurants."


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You say you didn't like how Twin Peaks ended?  There's a very simple
explanation.

Lynch and Frost weren't involved with it.  It was their Black Lodge
doppelgangers.

Repeat after me (in a nasal voice):
    How's Twin Peaks?
    How's Twin Peaks?
    How's Twin Peaks?
    
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> > APPLICANTS BEARING LOVE OR FEAR, PROCEED DOWN CORRIDOR
> > APPLICANTS BEARING OIL AND ALL OTHERS USE SIDE ENTRANCE        ;-)

"The White Lodge is for Loading and Unloading..."

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Subject: Coop == Mario?

So when is the release of the BL/WL/Red Room video game?

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Good thing he didn't have to floss!

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Some TV network person out there may be interested in a
more long term commitment to loyal older TV viewers and to the
upcoming generations of viewers.  For example, one might envision
a future Saturday morning cartoon feature with voices
provided by the actual voices of the original series.  A possible
finale for one of these hypothetical weekly shows which might be
called:


     "Fugitive Twins Reach Their Peaks in Kung Fu Course"


Opening cartoon:

David Carradine's character (Caine) appears very suddenly in a
clearing -- seemingly emerging feet first and reclaims the wind
instrument from WE.  Quietly and nonviolently Caine explains the
deeper, more meditative applications of such devices in and
"Easterly" way -- WE occasionally 'egging' him on.  With the
wooden instrument in hand cartoon character Caine turns to the
camera and says "go figure" and at this point he transforms into
a (you guessed it) -- grasshopper.  

Before it can achieve 'one good leap for a grasshopper' our
Caine/Hopper-guy is engulfed fast-flying-swooping blurry creature
which is eventually seen more clearly to be (you  guessed it
again) an EMPEROR OWL.  This OWL is what is seems, and it begins
to fly away leaving no one, except itself, with a bad taste in
its oral cavity.  The OWL thinking to itself but out loud so we
and others can hear the message through the doppler effect (or is
that doppelganger?): "Yuk.  Pah-toohey!  I wonder what that
grasshopper had in his backpack? Yuk."  The OWL can no longer
tolerate the bad taste of this morsel and he "upchucks" the half-
chewed grasshopper out of his oral cavity onto none other than --
BOB (maybe you didn't guess this one).  Add this would be tobacco
wad hits BOB right in the kisser!  Bob Barks.  "WOW, WOW, WOW!"
(fooled you?).  He then wipes the partially regurgitated matter
from his face so as to better reflect on these events.  Suddenly,
he turns from his mirror and spots a seemingly innocent figure
running through a red room and screams "backwards or in reverse-
order pig-latin" -- "There goes Kimball!"  Dr. Richard Kimball
stops, cups his mouth with his hands and yells "Stop you OAM"!
Not very loud though.  Maybe he would do better with a (you
guessed it!) MIKE.

Go to commercial break and sell the kids some baseball cards.

Back from break.  Scenes from next week -- Nadine in China at the
monastery trying rice paper drape technique.  Norma hires Kimball
to clean up the RR (replacement for Hank).  Cooper and the rest
of the local law enforcement crowd run into Caine on their way to
the TP sheriff's office.  Caine is loudly trying to explain his
innocence to (you guessed it!) Gordon.  And like that.  

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*** Movie
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Great news for David Lynch and Twin Peaks Fans!!!!

David Lynch called me  on the telephone on Friday, and he relayed to me that
a Twin Peaks movie WILL BE his NEXT project. (whether or not he is working
on Ronnie Rocket now is something that I don't know.)

The movie will cover the Theresa Banks murder and the final days of
Laura Palmer.  The title will be 'Fire Walk With Me.'  

He did not tell me this in confidence, so I am sure that it is not a secret.
:^)

He said, and I quote, 'It's gonna be cool.'

PS  I am sure that Kyle MacLachlan will be in it...if you remember correctly,
he investigated Theresa Banks murder.

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Let's hope the writers are REALLY CLEVER.  A well-written prequel can easily
resolve questions in the original series.  The viewer can be places and learn
things that remain unknown to the other characters, even in the original series.
For example, we may see how Josie got into double dealing, and perhaps something
that happened in her past that foreshadows her timely end, wrapped in plywood.
We may hear the giant's voice come out of Margaret's log.  BOB may impart some
crucial Lodge secrets to Laura in an effort to entire her to let him in.  He may
describe previously unknown portions of the Caroline affair to her, or let slip
something about his plans for Windom Earl.  It Can Be Done, folks!

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The Towne cinema (1433 The Alameda in San Jose, 287-1433) says "'Agent Cooper'
[note the quotes] in person! -plus- Donuts and damn fine coffee Fri-Sun evening
show" in its ad.
 
That ad (and the fact that I like the Towne) causes me to decide on it as the
place to see the new Twin Peaks movie on Friday (8/28). The first showing is at
7 p.m. I'll probably be in line by 6:15 if possible. For those of you who don't
know me, we'll be wearing Apple T-shirts and badges.
 
Come if you can; it should be...interesting.

Be there or be BOB.

Does anyone out there at what address I can reach David Lynch? I have done a 
sketch of him I would like him to have as a "Thank you" for TP, but I don't
know where to send it. Any information would be appreciated.

Mike

In article <1992Aug27.140918.705@ccsvax.sfasu.edu>, z_woodsjl@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:
> > What's going on here... I have posted 2 times in this newsgroup and gotten
> > absolutely no response.
> > 
> > I'm normally a nice and friendly person, but I don't enjoy being left out,
> > on the other hand.

I never saw your postings.

> > All I wanted to know was, "How did Audrey Horne die?"

If she DID die... she died of being next to a bomb in the local bank.
The explosion would have killed anyone but a soap-opera star, so it's
not a sure thing that she is, in fact, dead after all.

> > Are you all elitist?  Or are there some friendly ones out there?  I sure
> > hope so!
> > 
> > Thank you kindly.

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Via con carne.

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Sr Artist/Programmer
Engineering Animation, Inc.
Ames, Iowa