Fire Walk with Me — August 28, 1992–December 31, 1992

In article <p5h0nq4@fido.asd.sgi.com> sjohnson@faulen.asd.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:
> >i want my garmonzobia!
> >or was it
> >i want my garmonbozia!
> >or was it
> >i want my garbonzomia!
> >or was it
> >i want my garzonbomia!
> >
> >what ever it is, what is it?  are we talking creamed corn here?
> >
> >sj"Your prejudice won't keep you warm tonight" - m

In the final scene, the subtitles translate it as "pain and
suffering", or words to that effect.


-- Bill Downing, President Email: bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.usDOWNING ASSOCIATES, INC. 8 Doyle Lane, Hopkinton, MA 01748 508-435-4567

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Saw FWWM Friday night (it was in a neighboring city). Here are my thoughts:

The film was beautiful. I loved it. 

Let's face it, the critics are panning it because they are fools with no souls.
They all have feet of clay, how could they possibly understand a brilliant 
piece of work like that? They want movies like _Ghost_ or _Home Alone_, stupid 
movies (apologies to anyone who liked these flicks) with a plot your average 
five year old would sneer at. I don't care that the critics panned it, because 
all they want is mediocre anyway. If Twin Peaks hadn't been the trendy thing 
to watch back in the beginning,they'd have panned it then; the only reason 
they didn't was because everyone else said it was great.

Let's face it, Lynch made that movie for *us*, the die hard, dyed in the wool
fans who tried to keep the show alive, and who discuss it still. In my opinion,
the film was his way of saying "Thank You" to all of us who supported the show.
I think that, right from the beginngng (when they showed the TV that was tuned
to a channel off the air...get it?) Lynch was saying "I made this for you."

The film *did* have its flaws ( we would all have liked to see this or that
character a bit more), but I think Lynch did what he could for us. I think the
people who are saying "It's just another drug adiction movie" are foolish. Think
about it. "just another" drug addiction? What kind of a statement is that?

Two years ago, the critics loved TP because it was "realistic". The movie 
followed the same vein, and now they're panning it because it's depressing.
The bloody movie deals with incest, rape, drug addiction, murder, and they want
JOKES?

The critics sneered at __EraserHead__, until Lynch became trendy. Then they 
decided he was a visionary, and their opinion of that film changed, or at least
they kept their philistine opimions to themselves. Now they are just moving with
the rest of the flock. It's that simple.

I'm sorry if this is incoherent, but it isn't that often I find a film I really
like, and it burns me when the critics act like a bunch of sheep. They knew what
the movie was about when they went in, and they were still too stupid to 
understand. All they want is 10,000 episodes of _Who's the Boss_ to turn their 
putrid little brains into third grade oatmeal. Quite frankly, all the critics 
can go straight to hell. I thought the film was magic. It was wonderful. It 
broke through the cynical shell I built around myself, grabbed hold of me and 
didn't let go for the whole length of the movie. The movie made me *feel*.
My heart almost broke at the end, and I felt *good*, knowing things will be 
alright for Laura and Coop. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'll 
remember  and treasure that film for the rest of my life.


ANyway, that's what I think.
Later!
Mike  


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In article <1992Aug29.192850.17273@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, sborders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Borders) writes:
> > 
> > 
> > P.S.  Never, *never* accept a framed photo of an empty room with
> >       a half-opened door from an old woman and a child in a mask.

Yeah... I just *hate* when that happens ;-)
Mike

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Some random comments:

Unlike many who have posted, I enjoyed the first part (FBI stuff) much better
than the Laura Palmer story.  Part of this reaction is due to my having read the
secret diary.  Seems like the first part gave more insight into the mystic
characters.  

It's odd that I found parts of the TV show scarier than movie.  For example,
the railroad car scene in the movie was intense, but not scary.  The railroad
car scene in the TV show was really chilly.  I'm not sure why exactly.

This movie was okay.  It was a great setup for a sequel.  Let's hope there is
one.

Benjy
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Hello, Peaks Freak from Gainesville calling in.  New to internet, but trying
my best.  Wanted to rub it in that Angelo Badalamenti's nephew lives down 
the hall from me.  He was on the phone with David Lynch the other day getting
a letter of recommedation.  Something to do with the Eagle Scouts.
By the way, was it just me or was watching FWWM not like watching a movie,
but more like watching a dream?
Internet address: Floyd@ufcc.ufl.edu
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(gonna space ahead)


















Okay, Spoilers follow.


I just want to see if my reasoning re: why Leland drove into the gas station
after the OAM encounter.  Laura said "What's that smell?" which is probably the
scorched engine oil.  Leland drove into the gas station so that the smell
wouldn't seem unusual.  Right?   Just checking my head.


Also, Gerard's tactics are a bit unusual.  In the TV series, when MIKE was
explaining his mission ("To find BOB."  "To _stop_ him!") it seemed he would do
anything to accomplish it. 
In the movie, he could have jumped out of his truck and done something
to Leland, but he didn't.  Perhaps he is unable to intervene physically, and
can only give warning.  Maybe after he failed to prevent LP's murder, he became
more determined to stop BOB, thus setting up his later fanaticism.

I just thought of something.  If MIKE was trying to tell LP over the
sound of the engine "It's your father," then how come he didn't go after Leland
in the TV show?  He could have thought that BOB switched hosts, but he never
even went after Leland.

I hope these thoughts made sense.

--
John Sommerville (jes2x@Virginia.Edu)    <<Ren and Stimpy in '92!>>
Rose tints my world, keeps me safe from the trouble and pain- RHPS

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Went to see TP:Fire walk with me this weekend.  I can recommend it to TP fans
only.   It probably won't be in the theaters long, so see it while you can!

My overall impression that it was a significantly depressing movie - watching a
character self destruct in slow motion.  TV series had some hope in the various
romances, and some humor.  Movie has none. Don't go if already depressed.

The Lynch style is all over the movie - some critics have called it "derative".
One thing you can say about Lynch - love him or hate him, he definitely has his
own style.

Some general comments, exceedingly minor spoilers:

More dream sequences!  Some earlier minor characters show up in a significant
role. 

The stoplight is explained!

An previously featured object gains further significance.

A new object has mysterious properties!

A new Julee Cruise song.

More about "arms" are explained.

Heidi sings "Edelweiss" (just kidding)

And some questions, which have more spoiler possiblity:


What is the symbolism of the White Horse that Mrs. Palmer sees in her visions?

Who is the character David Bowie plays supposed to be?

Was the Chris Isaack (first FBI agent) character mentioned in the TV series?

Is the Number 6 on the pole next to the "mystery trailer" supposed to mean
something? (Lynch shows it several times)

What is the significance of the ring that Teresa Banks/Laura Palmer wears? 
Does this show up in the TV series anywhere? 

More and more people show up in that red-curtained room.  Now the one-armed man
does too!  

Is there an episode guide available for TP?  Post it!



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In article <1992Aug30.221102.11199@morrow.stanford.edu>, steve@sep.Stanford.EDU (Steve Cole) writes...
>From one of the clari newsgroups:
> > 
>> >>The weekend's other major opening, New Lines' ``Twin Peaks: Fire Walk
>> >>with Me'' failed to generate much heat in eighth place with an estimated
>> >>$1.9 million at 691 screens. The movie brings to the big screen the
>> >>continuing saga of TV's offbeat ``Twin Peaks'' series set in a mythical
>> >>Northwest town.

     Break that down to a per-screen average, please.  Despite what
     that .clari newsgroup said, this isn't bad for 700 screens.  
     Read VARIETY instead.

> >Considering that Pet Sematary II opened in 3rd place with around
> >$5-6 million, this isn't very good news.

     No, it is decent news: PET SEMATARY 2 opened at 2000 screens and only
     did a little more than double the business of TWIN PEAKS... on more
     than half the screens, with legions of maniacal zit-faced 16 year
     olds in need of a gore-fix...  

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Were the Tremonds in any TV episode? Were they mentioned then? Someone
please explain the whole Pierre/Austin/Man behind the mask deal to me...

Could someone remind me as to the final status of Josie?

The angel at the end was DEFINITELY not Annie.

What is the Red Room?

thanks

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My daughter was watching Seaseme Street yesterday and Monsterpiece Theater came on.  The episode was Twin Beaks.  It was rather interesting, as Agent Cookie 
was attempting to discover why it was called Twin Beaks.  There were many refrences to the series, but my favorite was the Log Bird and the line "Darn fine Cookie."

Mike Sterling


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I just realized something. The Little Man From Another Place is Mike.
Think about it: he "spoke" through the One Armed Man in the Lodge. I 
would therefor say that he is "possessing"  the OAM in the same way BOB
possesses Leland. We know the being possing the OAM is Mike. Therefore,
the LMFAP is probably MIKE. Neat, eh?
So, I guess the Canadian tourism industry is in for a boom after
that Pink Room scene ;-)
Later, 
Mike (no, not *that* Mike!)

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Ciao,

Joe Zitt made a good point that the movie was like a Passion Play in
that the viewers were expected to know the story prior to coming to
the flick. That is similar to the Greek plays wherein the crowd already
knew the stories of the gods, and the Greek heros prior to coming to
the tragedies/comedies. If you see a classical Greek play today without
knowing the backgrounds you would be completely lost. The play definitely
was for Peak fans, who knew the characters, the stories, the themes,
and motifs.


A end note: I just loved the beginning with the staticy (a real word?)
television. I may be reading too much into it, but one one level I found
it as a great inside joke: our televisions were dead, no TP on the air.
Then the axe coming down, again a joke on how the show was killed, hacked
to death by some yo-yo tv execs. But then.....the film starts and it might
be off the air, but it ain't dead.

Sally--


-- And I'll see you//And you'll see me || Sally A. Wilson And I'll see you in the branches that blow || Spud Peel In the breeze,//I'll see you in the trees || sally@mica.berkeley.edu Under the sycamore trees (_Sycamore_Trees_ Lynch/Badalamenti)

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Wow, I've been buried in requests for the number of the place that sells movie 
scripts!  Two months ago I went to a Trek convention and this place was 
selling FWWM scripts (and much other movie stuff):

PIX Poster Cellar
99 Mt. Auburn Street
Cambridge, MA  02138
(617) 864-7499
(800) 582-0085

I can't verify the continued existance of this place - just tried calling them 
and got no answer.  There are other companies that sell movie scripts, but 
that's the only one I know of.  If they ignore you, post to rec.arts.movies 
and see if they know of others...Have Fun.

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In article <1992Aug31.053112.22474@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> exby@pogo.Colorado.EDU (Doc Exby) writes:

> >No spoilers here....

Well, now there's a trivial one.

> >I don't know about everyone else - but the first REAL physical
> >chills (goosebumps and shivers) for me came in FWWM when they showed
> >the "television" opening scene, Welcome to Twin Peaks  roadsign
> >and the music.....oohhhh boy.  talk about feeling like an
> >old friend returned....wow.

Well, maybe it was just me, but I got the impression that the scene with
the TP sign was just SO television-ish, that the movie was almost mocking
the conventions of the series.  After all, the movie doesn't exactly take
a pro-TV tone -- look at the real title sequence (and the opening image),
after all...

Hmm, a thought.  How exactly does a TV work?  ELECTRICITY.  Hmm?...  :-)

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In article <28AUG199217331900@jane.uh.edu>, elee9xl@jane.uh.edu (92H01722) writes:
|> In article <78466@ut-emx.uucp>, jsnyder@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (J Snyder) writes...
|> >Let's try again.  It's on the Lynch/Badalamenti Industrial
|> >Symphony No. 1.  The title is "I'm hurt bad."  And for all those who care
|> >about winning trivia pursuit (tm) after all these years, it is written 
|> >by both Lynch and Badalamenti, even though there are no lyrics...
|> > 
|>  Does anybody know if this "Symphony" available on CD or what? and is
|>  it worth buying? (sound Peakish enough? J. Cruise's CD did to me)
|> 

I believe that 'Industrial Symphony No. 1; The Dreams of the Brokenhearted'
is now out-of-print.  It is a recording of a performance given in NYC 
sometime in '88 with Julie Cruise, Michael Anderson (or whatever his name
is), a Badalamenti or two, all in an industrial/'performance artist' type
of setting.  Now the good news:  for some reason, the HMV store in 
Hardard Square (Cambridge, MA) still has a few copies of this on their
shelves.  So, you may still be able to find it.

monty

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In article <4905@othmar.lulea.trab.se> sture@lulea.trab.se (Sture Jonsson) writes:


> >Ok, here we go. This article contains spoilers for FWWM. If you haven't seen
> >it and don't want to be spoiled, get out of this article NOW.













































> >-- The 'person' lying in bed with Laura saying "I'm Annie, I've been with Dale
> >and Laura...." etc. wasn't Annie, it was Ronette. She looked like the actress
> >who plays Ronette (she didn't look like Heather Graham). She had the same
> >dress that Ronette had at the 'disco'. Am I right or .... ?

...or you are wrong.  Sorry.  That was Heather Graham -- after all, she
appeared in the title sequence.  I don't think it was the same dress, but
there was a similarity... also a similarity to the wallpaper in Laura's
picture.

Sheesh, what is it with Annie in this movie?  Everyone's saying that she's
dead or an angel or not in the movie at all -- why can't people just
accept that she's in the film, in a cameo part, and that she's (at least
at some point in the timeline) alive?...

> >-- Also a question. Why was the FBI called in to investigate the Theresa Banks
> >murder ? Did she 'cross the stateline' or was it because it was a 'blue rose'
> >case or.... ?

My pet theory is that Gordon Cole knew a lot more than he was telling --
he might even be connected with the creatures in the Lodge.  After all, 
there's a family resemblance between him and Pierre...  ;-)

> >Anyway, I hope for a second film, with more info. on the time after the series
> >end. Even though I doubt it will happen....

Agreed.  We need at least a couple of clear answers -- not enough to make
all the plot details clear, but at least enough to figure out what Lynch is
trying to say.  Even "Fall Out" from The Prisoner had a clearer thematic
statement.

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In article <1992Aug31.140254.3274@unixland.natick.ma.us> bdowning@unixland.natick.ma.us (Bill Downing) writes:
> >In article <1992Aug28.204542.23555@mumbo.apple.com> mark@cambridge.apple.com (Mark Preece) writes:

>> >>Anybody heard anything *really* positive?

> >The movie has opened to mixed reviews at best, and been roundly panned
> >at worst.

At worst, it's been roundly panned for the wrong reasons.  The review in
the Washington Post was hilariously inaccurate.

They misspelled "Garmonbozia", called Michael Anderson's character the
"Man From Another Planet" (maybe they were thinking of "Eraserhead"?),
called the red-draped Partyland bar "The Power and the Glory", which
was in fact the name of the band playing there, and said that Jacques
owned the place.  There were also, if I remember, denigrating commentss
about a lot of the established TP imagery (e.g. the white horse), saying
that it made no sense.  He even found some weird fundamentalist Christian
subtext in it... which is stretching it a BIT much.

Funny thing was, the reviewer also said some positive things, calling it
"perversely moving" (and "profoundly self-indulgent" in the same sentence).
He bashed it a lot but still couldn't seem to flat-out pan it.

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I have a friend who has almost all of the T-P episodes, but is missing
episode twelve.  I know very little about the stuff, I just watched the first
two hour movie last night, and am going to watch an episode a night until I see
them all.  I would like to get a copy of the episode he is missing, but I don't
know what happens in it.  My friend does not count the first movie as number
one, and I believe there is a total of 20 episodes(?) counting this way.  
Does anyone have this episode and would be willing and able to make a copy for
me?  I will even send a tape, or cash equivalent ahead of time.  If it is
unclear as to which episode is number twelve, I can find out what happens in
the episodes before and after to be sure, or perhapse I can find out from him
what happens without giving away the suprise.   Thanks in Advance!


I LOVE EVERYONE......  YOU'RE NEXT!

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Just saw the movie a second time.  This letter addresses specific replies
to certain posts, whereas the next one is a dump of my own thoughts and
questions from the movie.

jsnell writes:

> > I can buy the 2nd season finale, which was meant to be a cliffhanger. But this
> > movie's statement was this: we're going to introduce new characters and never
> > resolve what happens to them. This is a feature film, and realistically 
> > there won't be another. Maybe there's a slim chance, at best. But by leaving

> > What happens then? More questions, no answers. Endlessly.

Well, I think that that's only a problem if you have certain preconceptions
about what a movie should be.

To me, the Twin Peaks universe is infinite.  It is impossible to understand
everything about it because there is always more and it is always different
from what you previously understood it to be.  What I have just stated in
words is much richer in feeling, and I am quite glad for Lynch&Co giving me
that vision.  There are always questions.  I love them.

> > - Harry Dean Stanton was great as the Fat Trout trailer admin-
> > istrator.  I thought it was funny that both Desmond and Coop
> > managed to wake him up before 9am.

He still struck me with one of the most emotional lines in the movie--
short and striking but to the point:  "Don't ya see?  This just means more
shit I gotta do now."  I found this very funny, but at the same time I
felt very, very sad for the character.

> > i can't even remember what bowie was talking about in his part. 

"We're not going to talk about Judy.  In fact, we're not going to mention
 her at all."

(More about this in my next post).

> > that was philip gerard driving it, yes.  again, like with bowie's
> > character, i can't remember what he talked about.

I couldn't quite make out what he said.  He talked about the room above
the convenience store, the formica table, and shouted "The thread will
be broken!!" at least twice.

  -Jon

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Hello People,

Some thoughts after reading many, but not all, posts.  We also
saw the film with a large crowd that laughed MOST of the way through the
movie.  In this case I believe that it was mostly high school kids that
hadn't seen the series.  My friends and I were tense throughout most of
the film, and they laughed.  Boy, if I only carried a machine gun.

I thought the film was a very good story about the death of
Laura Palmer.  It didn't answer many questions and sometimes didn't
jive exactly with the series, but I think that it was internally
consistent.  (Where did the monkey come from?)

The one thing that it was missing that no one, yet, has
commented about is the owls!  All through the scene with LP and Bobby in
the forest with the flashlight panning through the trees I expected to
see owls.  But not a one!  Anywhere!  This is just a minor thing (is it?
only maybe.) but I missed them.

Satisfied and Frustrated,

charles d. kincaid
--
charles d. kincaidSTATS:  (904) 392-1941
statman@stat.ufl.eduCIRCA:  (904) 392-2007
'Damn fine coffee...and hot, too!'



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> >-- The 'person' lying in bed with Laura saying "I'm Annie, I've been with Dale
> >and Laura...." etc. wasn't Annie, it was Ronette. She looked like the actress
> >who plays Ronette (she didn't lok like Heather Graham). She had the same
> >dress that Ronette had at the 'disco'. Am I right or ... ?
 
    Are you sure?  When I saw it, I thought "Wait...is that Annie?" -- but, I
did not confuse her with Ronette at first, I at first thought it could be
_Caroline_.  Definately was _not_ Ronette, and since Heather Graham's name was
listed in the opening credits, I will assume that that truly _was_ Annie.
 
> >-- In the first part of the movie, Chet Desmond and Sam whatshisname went to a
> >diner. In that diner there was a copule, a middleaged man looking 'like a bum'
> >and a younger girl looking verrrry elegant. The man said something like 'are
> >you asking about the young girl that was murdered'. I got the impression that
> >those folks were from the lodge, or some similar place.
 
     Well, notice however that whenever the film "ventured" into the Lodge,
one saw the "static", or the evil element briefly.  There was none of this
in that diner, and the people in there just seemed _stupid_, not diabolically
strange like in the Lodge.  
     Notice, _everyone_ in Deer Meadow (or whatever) seemed stupid and 
belligerent -- not evil -- including the Sheriff that could bend steel, etc.
 
  Just my thoughts...

------------------------------------------------
David Eschatfische -- 2609COWEND@VMS.CSD.MU.EDU

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> >I like actress playing Donna in the movie better.  She portrays
> >innoscence better.  Donna in the series seemed like more of a bitch.
 
   I would have much preferred LFB over Moira.  You comment that she
seemed "more of a bitch", but that really only happened later in the
series -- she actually physically looked different in the latter part
of the series, bitchy and smoking, while in the pilot she looked
much more sweet and innocent than Moira.
 
   Moira and Sheryl seemed so...bland looking for Lynch women, 
compared with the trilogy of Boyle, Fenn and Amick that started
out the series.  The TV women had personalities, Moira and Sheryl
seemed to be caricatures of "good girl", "bad girl".  
 
> >I like that the movie showed a lot of what went on with Laura even
> >though most of it was implied in the series.  After watch two seasons
> >of a series focused on Laura Palmer without ever seing very much of
> >Laura, I thought it was good to balence it out.
 
   The thing is, so much of this was taken care of by reading the
Secret Diary, which covers so much of the what the movie was -- the
movie didn't shock or surprise me one bit because of the fact I 
had read almost the entire thing two years previously.  
 
   Anyway, the TV show wasn't about Laura.  It was about Coop and BOB.
I think I may actually had enjoyed FWWM if I _hadn't_ known anything
about Twin Peaks or the Secret Diary, though...
 
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David Eschatfische -- 2609COWEND@VMS.CSD.MU.EDU

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Observation about the last episode & the film...










































On to the news...
   In the last episode, when Coop & Windom are in the last room
of the Lodge, there are two green formica tables, the same ones
as the one the ring is on in the "Don't take the ring" sequence.
Any idea if the "Meeting place" is another gateway to the Lodges?

             Just an inane thought after being up all night...
                                         George...
"Thank you. Thank you kindly."

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In article <BtuvL7.60C@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v075q5fr@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:
|> In article <1992Aug30.221102.11199@morrow.stanford.edu>, steve@sep.Stanford.EDU (Steve Cole) writes...
|> >From one of the clari newsgroups:
|> > 
|> >>The weekend's other major opening, New Lines' ``Twin Peaks: Fire Walk
|> >>with Me'' failed to generate much heat in eighth place with an estimated
|> >>$1.9 million at 691 screens. The movie brings to the big screen the
|> >>continuing saga of TV's offbeat ``Twin Peaks'' series set in a mythical
|> >>Northwest town.
|> 
|>      Break that down to a per-screen average, please.  Despite what
|>      that .clari newsgroup said, this isn't bad for 700 screens.  
|>      Read VARIETY instead.

Sorry about that. Here are the full stats with a per-screen average
added by me:
M$screens$/screen
Honeymoon in Vegas7.51637$4581
Unforgiven5.82078$2791
Pet Sematary 25.41852$2915
Single White Female4.71744$2694
Death Becomes Her2.71810$1491
Rapid Fire2.31830$1256
A League of their Own2.11575$1333
TP:FWWM1.9 691$2749

Not so bad after all, you're right Scott!

$/screen seems a much more relevant figure; in looking over
the article I just didn't notice that TP opened on relatively few
screens. Why is this? Is it because it is a lower-budget film
or because they think it doesn't have the wide appeal to play
in as many places? In any event, it seems a bit unfortunate,
since it insured that TP would not do "well" according to the
popular barometer of $ taken in, which is the stat by which
films are ranked in your average newspaper and, as we have
seen, on clari.
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sjohnson@faulen.asd.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:

> >ronette gets her letter B when leland taints her IV in the hospital in the
> >second season.

   Has this been established?


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I found the Isaak/Sutherland detective pair very humorous.  "Chet Desmond"
and "Sam Stanley"-- two agents, four first names.

David Bowie's character, "Philip Jeffries", was great.  I would like to   
see the uncut scene sometime.  Gordon's words-- "You might have heard of
him in the Academy, Coop" and Philip's:  "We're not going to talk about
Judy.  In fact, we're not going to mention her at all."  build for me
the following picture of him:

Jeffries was one of the FBI's best agents, probably pretty legendary.
He went insane.  He took a Blue Rose case.  His wife/girlfriend Judy
was killed, possibly at his own hands.  He disappeared.  All not 
necessarily in that order.

The "Tremonds/Chalfonts" (old woman, young boy) are usually together.  I
am led to believe that they are present in the movie more often than one
thinks.  For instance, when One-Armed Mike drives up screaming at Leland,
the logging truck is stopped because an old man and a not-so-old woman
are crossing the street.  Also, in Hap's Diner, the somewhat-old man
asking "Are you talking about the little girl that was murdered?" is
accomanied by a young woman who speaks _French_, more shades of Pierre.

But it gets worse.  All the "Lodge Buddies" seem do be not-quite-distinct 
aspects of the same personality/entity, even though they sometimes work
against each other.  Reasons:

  Pierre says (pointing at himself), "The man behind the mask is looking
  for the book with the pages torn out.  He is under the fan now."  The
  person looking for the book is, of course, Bob.

  When Leland is wrapping Laura in plastic, we see different faces with
  each layer of wrapping he places on her.  The first is Leland.  The
  second is Bob.  The third is hard to make out becuase the wrapping is
  so thick, but it looks to me like the Little Man From Another Place
  (The Arm).

  When Phillip is sort of disappearing from the FBI office and showing
  up in the Other Place, we see him squatting wearing the papier-mache
  mask.  Inside the Other Place, someone with a different body is wearing
  this mask.  Pierre wears the mask throughout the film; his manner as
  well as his slicked-back hair likens him to Jeffries in some ways.

  The indian-mouth noise made by the Little Man we hear when Mike is
  driving toward Leland as well as during the focuses on the electrical
  pole and during one additional time, but I don't remember when.

The drug carrier that Bobby shoots is, in fact, the deputy from the
beginning of the movie.

A great part of the movie seems to be concerned about who people are.
Some prominent lines include:

  "I'm not your Laura.  Your laura has disappeared..."
  "I'm not Jacques.  I am the Great Went."
  "Who are you, really?"
  "And just who do you think this man is here?" (Jeffries pointing to Cooper)
  "Bobby, you shot Mike!  Do you realize what you did?"
  "This isn't fucking Mike! . . . Is this Mike?"

The People From Another Place seem to work for each other and against
each other at the same time.  Perhaps their only goals are to have an
interesting time of it and to produce gormonbozia.  The most striking
instance of this to me is when Leland storms away from the motel after
seeing Laura and Ronette-- Masked Pierre dances leprechaunishly around
in circles, and we hear the phrase "Black dog runs at night" muttered
repeatedly.  I sort of interpreted this phrase (and scene) as, "Haha,
I've worked hard behind your back when you weren't looking, and I've
set up this great situation, I've totally stung you bad, isn't this
funny, isn't this great?"

When Mike was screaming at Leland in anger, we get an image of a black
dog barking fiercely.  This to me helps tie the similarity between
Pierre and Mike.

In some sense, Mike's entire mission seemed to be to get the ring to
Laura.  This is what finally happens when he gets to the railroad
car-- Ronette opens the door, Mike tries to climb up but is pushed out;
the ring falls off his finger (or he tosses it in?) and Laura picks it
up.

Question:  Is the "Don't make me do this!" Leland screaming at Bob,
Leland screaming at Laura, Bob screaming at Laura, or Bob screaming
at the rest of the People from the Other Place/The-Universe-In-General?

The ring seems to me to be a symbol of desire, of drive, of the
consuming search for some goal, but this seems iffy.


Cooper has dreams about the murders and the Other Place; his dreams
lead him to experiment with the camera before Jeffries shows up.  He
also appears there in Laura's dream, though he obviously doesn't
remember this afterward.

One of the statements made in the Other Place was, "We live in a dream."
This combined with one of my favorite moments from the second season
makes for an interesting prospect.  During Jean Renault's death scene
when he was stuck in the cabin, he says one of the few things that I
think really shook Cooper:  he talks about how things were just fine
until Cooper came along, and then everything just became a disaster;
he suggests that Cooper is the jinx, the cause of it all.  I wouldn't
be too surprised to find that all these people from the Other Place
live in Cooper's dreams, that somehow he sustains them.


On the whole, I found it a wonderful movie about, to put it tritely,
the meaning of life and the nature of God.

  -Jon

PS:  My votes for best lines in the movie:

     "This just means more shit I gotta do now."
     "The thing is to have a positive attitude!  That's the key!
      Anybody will tell you that."
     "If I had a nickel for every cigarette your mom smoked, I'd be dead."

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   It seemed as if Cooper kept going back and forth between the area
the camera was surveying and the TV monitor for no good reason right
before Bowie showed up.  Did I miss something?

   Also, why did Leland/BOB bother taking Ronnette and Laura to the train car?

  PS I was wrong, they actually made a movie!
     I was also wrong about Albert shooting Cooper, and about the
     fish in the percolator to conceal use to process drugs.

     My one good prediction, if anybody cares (before the end of first season)

    ``The sawmill doesn't burn down until we have at least one woman tied
      to a log inside it.''

   PPS I thought the movie was like the series itself--- a good start,
then going downhill faster and faster (maybe bursting into flames at the end :)


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In article <Btv6M9.4tA@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:
> >sjohnson@faulen.asd.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:

>> >>ronette gets her letter B when leland taints her IV in the hospital in the
>> >>second season.

> >   Has this been established?

Yes.  They never specified how Leland got into her room, but it was
definitely an act of BOB.

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If the movie does well on a per screen basis, they'll probably strike more
prints and distribute it to more theaters.  It isn't uncommon to open a movie
that might bomb in limited theaters, prints are 35mm prints are VERY expensive,
especially for relatively low budget features.  They have to make sure that
ticket sales are going to recoup print and distribution costs.

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In article <1992Aug31.155146.3386@rtsg.mot.com> iott@rtsg.mot.com (Joel K. Iott) writes:

)What is the symbolism of the White Horse that Mrs. Palmer sees in her visions?

As in the show, death.
 
)Is the Number 6 on the pole next to the "mystery trailer" supposed to mean
)something? (Lynch shows it several times)

Three times, perhaps?
 
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I loved the film. However, here in Ontario the censorship is very large
for movies and tv.  Although there was more nudity than tv could show
(just breasts and 2 seconds of pubic hair at a distance) there was certainly
less violence than TP the tv series had. The movie had more implied 
sleaziness.

I had read that there was a lot of violence and sex in the movie.  The
print I saw was so badly hacked up that there were obvious glitches and
pieces missing in the soundtrack.  A few jumps in continuity as well.
Theres no way that the film could have been conceived this way...It was
most certainly re-edited later without adjusting the soundtrack.

spoilers up ahead.....


The guy that Bobby shot.....At first I thought it was the Mountie that
appears in the second season. After he was dead I realized it couldn't have
been that same character (same actor????).  Then I thought it was the
Deputy from the first police station (the guy that gets his nose tweaked
by Desmond).  Sorry.....all goons with mustaches look the same to me.

Mrs. Tremond's grandson was played by David Lynch's son (in the tv series)
Was it the same actor in the movie????  Kinda didn't look like him, but then
again it is 1 year later and he's in that growing kind of ag

It was funny to see all the actors look 2+ years older even though it
took place before the pilot.  Especially James and his receded hairline.
Laura certainly doesn't have the body of a 17 year old. I think she's 25.


I was more interested by the first half-hour (the FBI part). In it I saw
stuff that was very new to me.  The security camera/Bowie sequence think
had my head spinning.  WOW!  I would love to see a movie/tv series that
dealt more with the weirdness going on there and the disappearance of 
Desmond and Bowie.  Perhaps the blue rose signifies Project Blue Book??

The Laura Palmer section was EXTREMELY well acted by Laura and Leland
(I don't know real names).  Although the sense of mystery or suspense
was lessened because I knew the outcome,  I still had goosebumps
when Laura said 'Good Night' and her mom said 'Good Night Laura'. From
then on I knew the specific chain of events leading to her death and it
was still spooky to actually see them acted out.  I would have loved to
hear Waldo say something he says just before he gets killed later in the
series.  

A friend of mine who ONLY saw the pilot said she loved the movie.  She 
says that it doesn't matter if you know the background of Harold Smith
or Mrs. Tremond or any of the other idiosynracies.  As a self contained
movie it went down extremely well in her book.  

But I can't help cherishing the fact that so many little things in the movie
were direct references.....like 'LET'S ROCK' written on Desmond's windshield.
Or the oil-soaked ground where the trailer used to be.

ferenc

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In article <17tjbdINN7e7@agate.berkeley.edu> sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes:

   Ciao,

   Joe Zitt made a good point that the movie was like a Passion Play in
   that the viewers were expected to know the story prior to coming to
   the flick. That is similar to the Greek plays wherein the crowd already
   knew the stories of the gods, and the Greek heros prior to coming to
   the tragedies/comedies. If you see a classical Greek play today without
   knowing the backgrounds you would be completely lost. The play definitely
   was for Peak fans, who knew the characters, the stories, the themes,
   and motifs.

It's also similar in that, in a Greek play, the denoument was not a
surprise.  It was how the playwrite made the story get there that was
the surprise and that was the aspect of the play where all the author's
artistic ability was displayed.

   A end note: I just loved the beginning with the staticy (a real word?)
   
Staticky, maybe?

   television. I may be reading too much into it, but one one level I found
   it as a great inside joke: our televisions were dead, no TP on the air.
   Then the axe coming down, again a joke on how the show was killed, hacked
   to death by some yo-yo tv execs. But then.....the film starts and it might
   be off the air, but it ain't dead.

Certainly, the ``killing the TV (show)'' image is part of the effect.
But it actually does serve a plot point, since, after the room goes
dark we hear a woman's scream and then cut to the body of Teresa
Banks, floating down the river; i.e. the TV set destruction is just
before Teresa's murder; the floating body, just after.  (We later get
to see the TV scene again, in flashback, confirming this.)

-30-
Bob

``You wanna hear about our specials?  We don't have any.''

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Just a screw-up between TP: FWWM and episode #2009 of the regular series.

As you of course all recall, in #2009 Donna and Cooper go to the late
Harold Smith's place (and the "Tremonds"' place too) and get the last
page of Laura's diary.  "Thursday, February 22nd.  Tonight is the night
that I die..." et cetera.

Now, these pages were never referred to in the movie.  Nor was the dream
that Laura said she had in them the night before her murder: the dream
where she told Cooper who BOB was.

Now, I can understand the omissions, after all the movie was hugely long
anyways.  But...

Laura gives her diary to Harold at the BEGINNING of the movie.  If she
didn't have the book, how did those pages get into it?

Now, bearing in mind that Episode #2009 was one big kludge anyway, I'm
looking for some way of explaining this that actually makes it all make
SENSE.

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In article <31AUG92.17461019@vax.clarku.edu> mcohen@vax.clarku.edu writes:

   Wow, I've been buried in requests for the number of the place that sells movie 
   scripts!  Two months ago I went to a Trek convention and this place was 
   selling FWWM scripts (and much other movie stuff):

   PIX Poster Cellar
   99 Mt. Auburn Street
   Cambridge, MA  02138
   (617) 864-7499
   (800) 582-0085

   I can't verify the continued existance of this place - just tried calling them 
   and got no answer.

Well, it's still there.  They're selling copies of the script of
``Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me'' for $15 a pop.  Or, at least they
were when I picked up my copy on Saturday.

-30-
Bob

``I'm as blank as a fart.''

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Has anyone noticed that Jacques account of what happened at his cabin on 
the night Laura died was different in the movie than on TV? According to 
Jacques (in the last episode of the first season), he and Leo had a 
fight, Leo hit him with a whiskey bottle and Jacques used Leo's shirt to 
stop the bleeding (during which Leo was laughing.) After the fight 
Jacques went outside and passed out. When he wope up, Leo and the girls 
were gone. When Coop and the boys trek up to the cabin they find a spot 
of blood on the floor. The bloody shirt with Jacques blood shows up more 
than a few times in the first season and was a potential piece of 
evidence that might have implicated Leo in Laura's death.
   However, in FWWM Jacques wanders outside and is beat up and hit over 
the head with the bottle by Leland. Leo comes out of the cabin and seeing 
Jacques bloody face runs back into the cabin grabs his boots (and perhaps 
something else--I can't remember) and makes a beeline for his car. At no 
point that I can see does any shirt of Leo's get used to wipe up Jacques 
blood.
   I can understand Jacques blaming Leo for the bottle and the fight 
because he wasn't aware that anyone else was around the cabin. But this 
still doesn't explain the lack of a bloody shirt. Looks like a rather big 
continuity error to me.
   Also, I think that Agent Desmond's disappearance (when he went to pick 
up the ring) could be the same thing that happend to Agent Jeffries 
(David Bowie). Could this mean that there are 3 FBI agents trapped in the 
Black Lodge? And yes, the symbol on the ring is the same as one found in 
the drawing at Owl Cave. The symbol is slightly up and to the left of the 
center of the drawing and is encased in a flame (page 65, Twin Peaks 
Acces Guide)

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By now we all know about how many characters were left on the cutting-
room floor.  But there are a couple that I wonder about -- because I'm
not sure if they were there or not.

My credit listing mentions that Juergen Prochnow plays "Second Woodsman",
but I think he was only credited as "Woodsman".  Was there another
Woodsman in the film?

Also, who (if anyone) did Calvin Lockhart play?  The old credit listing
names his character as "?".

And last but not least... did our old buddy Del Mibbler make the final
cut?  Was that him crossing the street with the walker when the Palmers
stopped behind the truck?

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An updated version of the clari article takes an even harsher
tone toward FWWM:
> >``Pet Sematary 2'' posted a respectable debut, but it may disappear
> >quickly as horror films usually lose big chunks of their initial
> >audiences. However, it was a far better opening than the weekend's other
> >major opening, New Line's ``Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me,'' which
> >failed to generate much heat and ranked in eighth place with an
> >estimated $1.9 million at 691 screens.

Given that these two movies did about the same in $/screen, it is
disappointing that the popular press looks only at the $ figure.
People will read this in their local paper (clari articles are
taken from UPI) and conclude that FWWM is doing poorly, which 
really isn't true. Sad.
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Hey, I found a positive review of FWWM in the San Diego Union-Tribune!
The headline reads "Lynch in top form in disturbing, quirky 'Twin Peaks"
movie."  The reviewer is not a Twin peaks fan and was "not prepared for
the churning, brooding power" of FWWM.  He says it is "Lynch's most disturbing
movie since 'Eraserhead.'

Some excerpts:

Even devout fans of the series may get lost a few times watching the film -
plot is not Lynch's interest - but it's the murky, jarring suction of the movie
that makes it fascinating and very oddly convincing
...
The opening is lullingly familiar.  We're back in the woods nowhere of
Lumberton, where almost everyone seems, under normal skin, like the inbred
cousin of a space alien.
...
The story has heavy shadows in daylight, then plunges past midnight.  Lynch and
cinematographer Ron Garcia, whose images rival Frederick Elmes' work on
previous Lynch films, achieve dramatic delicacies of light that feast on both
ugliness and beauty, so that the two seem to be trading masks, their truer
faces mysteriously hidden.
Lynch achieves more moody grip in a visual instant than most directors do over
an entire film.  He's a preening virtuoso, mannered to excess, but only a fool
would deny that he's an artist (and so is Angelo Badalamenti, whose score
carpets the film with textural touches of great variety).
Lynch's fascination with evil seems more genuine than his candid, boyish sense
of good.  What saves him from being "sick" or provocative is his romance with
movies.  For him the camera is the crystal ball of a disturbed but somehow
elevated world, magically beautiful even in harsh moments, a world that exists
to mesmerize.
As Laura, Sheryl Lee is remarkable.  She has been directed to be a kind of
peachy malt shop virgin, but poisoned by a family life that is hypocritical
hell.  Lee's acting is achingly sincere at moments, and seconds later a knowing
spoof of lousy TV acting, yet she is far beyond a soapster like Susan Lucci.
A preview audience that seemed made up mostly of "Twin Peaks" TV fans came to
giggle and hoot.  Lynch invites that response at first, then pulls the rug out
from under it, exposing the magical rot of Lumberton.




-- /\__Edwin Nomura -- enomura@ucsd.edu__________.:___________.____________/\ / \\ .:. . : . : / \\ / \\\ : .:: : : Fire walk with me :.. : . : / \\\ / \\\\..::..:::.:::::.:.:.....:::::...::..:...:::::.:.:::::.:....::.../ \\\\

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Okay, spoiler-zapper time:
























All right.  Just one minor question from FWWM (only one because it's the
only coherent question I can come up with right now).

What happened to Teresa's arm?  Irene at Hap's diner said that it had
gone completely numb for a while before her death.  Coincidence?
Or could it be connected to the shaking hands in #2018?  Or BOB's
arm reaching out into Glastonberry Grove later that same episode?

Or do I need a life?

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not really spoilers, but just in case

jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:
> >My credit listing mentions that Juergen Prochnow plays "Second Woodsman",
> >but I think he was only credited as "Woodsman".  Was there another
> >Woodsman in the film?

As I mentioned earlier, Prochnow was one of the above-the-convenience-
store people during the Phillip Jeffries scenes.  He was sitting
beside Mrs. Tremond and her grandson, raising and lowering his
arm strangely.  He had long hair and a beard.  I think he was
wearing a sock-hat, but I'm not sure about that.

> >And last but not least... did our old buddy Del Mibbler make the final
> >cut?  Was that him crossing the street with the walker when the Palmers
> >stopped behind the truck?

Didn't look like him.

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In FWWM: Laura didn't say Fire Walk With Me to James at any point onscreen,
although he claimed she did in the TV premier.

Leland did not appear to rape Laura or Ronnette, and everyone in the cabin
seemed a mite overdressed for the sort of orgy that was in theory going on.

There was no mention of the poker chip from OEJack's that was found in
Laura's stomach.

Leland didn't put a letter under anyone's fingernail on-screen.

Did Hawk, tracker of the gods, notice the presence of Mike at the train car in
the show?  (I can't recall, have to watch the premier again.)

Jeremy
 

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In article <15224@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit
the Frog here...) writes:
> >Just a screw-up between TP: FWWM and episode #2009 of the regular
> >series.
> >
> >As you of course all recall, in #2009 Donna and Cooper go to the late
> >Harold Smith's place (and the "Tremonds"' place too) and get the last
> >page of Laura's diary.  "Thursday, February 22nd.  Tonight is the
> >night
> >that I die..." et cetera.
> >
...
> >
> >Laura gives her diary to Harold at the BEGINNING of the movie.  If she
> >didn't have the book, how did those pages get into it?
> >
> >Now, bearing in mind that Episode #2009 was one big kludge anyway, I'm
> >looking for some way of explaining this that actually makes it all
> >make
> >SENSE.

No, that bothered me, too. I don't remember it from #2009, but I remember it
from the published diary. The diary had some of the scenes from the
movie, and went up to the night of her death. Laura says in the diary that 
she knows who BOB is. I thought this was a big inconsistency in the movie.

(Initially I though they could have put the Harold Smith scene a lot later in
the movie pretty easily. Now I'm realizing they would have to put it in the
night of her death, somewhere before or between seeing James and Leo&Jacques.)

I also think Cooper had a line of dialogue straight from his
autobiography, too. 
I'll have to check.

Jim Millar 

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In <Btu9AI.JIs@acsu.buffalo.edu> v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:

> >     Not to glorify rape here, but wasn't Ronette roughed up just a TAD more
> >     by Leland?  Enough so she was beaten up hideously, to the point of
> >     possible neurological damage, raped ("several times" - meaning to me,
> >     more than just having sex with Leo and Jaques), fingers broken (presumably
> >     while Leland tried to shove a letter under her fingernail)...  In
> >     FWWM, poof, she's untied, she's outta there...  

Argggh.  how many people are going to mention this incorrectly?  lebobland
didn't put the letter under her fingernail until later when he tainted
her IV in the hospital.

i too thought that a couple of threads were weakened.  her getting raped
multiply by three men, the whole scene in jacques' cabin (it didn't even
look the same to me!), and the fact that the OAM (mike) was hanging
around.  i seem to remember hawk see the footprints of just three
men, and used this information to form the scenario that we got in the
show of leland carrying the girls away, etc.  also, in the show, the scenario
was that jacques went outside and passed out, a far cry from being bashed
in the head by leland, but there really is no way cooper, truman, hawk
et.al. could have deduced that, i guess.

> >     But incredible: Bobby shot some guy!  I thought that was dropped for
> >     good -- and it was that prick deputy from Brooklyn, that was really
> >     unexpected.  

brooklyn?  i thought it was the guy from deer meadow.

> >     Interesting about Agent Desmond too... him and David Bowie, sounds
> >     like the makings of a post-Cooper (if need be) second film...

yes, and they even have some footage cut from this film.

> >     What happened to the stuff at the end?  I saw some slides with Hawk
> >     in the Waiting Room... and the Dweller in the Threshold... and Major
> >     Briggs... and Annie (but in her hospital room... with a ring, but
> >     Dale's ring, not the one in the movie)...  I guess this was all shot,
> >     or there wouldn't be action-slides on the sets; so it was cut?  What
> >     a bastard he is!!!

> >           Scott

now, after reading all these postings, my main question involves
the location of deer meadow.  in the show (pilot) cooper tells
the town folk that "a year ago, a girl named theresa banks was
killed in the southwest corner of this state..."  or at least
somewhere in the first episode or three, he mentions SWWashington.
TP is located in NEWashington.  how does this work out?  was
leland visiting theresa in SW?  or did TB later move to the SW
before leland visited her?  did LP and RP travel all the way
out there (that's a long way) just for a little fun?  what was
the deputy of deer meadow doing in TP, several hundred miles
away?  the only thing i can think of that answers all this stuff
is that they decided to toss the idea that DM is in the SW corner
of the state for convenience.

sj"Your prejudice won't keep you warm tonight" - m

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01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
> > Saw FWWM Friday night (it was in a neighboring city). Here are my thoughts:
> > 
> > The film was beautiful. I loved it. 
> > 
> > Let's face it, the critics are panning it because they are fools with no souls.
> > They all have feet of clay, how could they possibly understand a brilliant 
> > piece of work like that? They want movies like _Ghost_ or _Home Alone_, stupid 
> > movies (apologies to anyone who liked these flicks) with a plot your average 
> > five year old would sneer at. I don't care that the critics panned it, because 
> > all they want is mediocre anyway. If Twin Peaks hadn't been the trendy thing 
> > to watch back in the beginning,they'd have panned it then; the only reason 
> > they didn't was because everyone else said it was great.
> > 
> > Two years ago, the critics loved TP because it was "realistic". The movie 
> > followed the same vein, and now they're panning it because it's depressing.
[stuff deleted]

Critics in general seem to have a desire to see a once lauded
director fail.  With Lynch, their attack appeared a bit after
Twin Peaks, when he was making various magazine covers and the
like.  That's probably one reason for the bad reviews.  Another
may be that none of them even watched the show before, so
there's no real way they can or should expect themselves to
totally follow the film, but unfortunately they don't realize
that fact.

Anyways, as a friend of mine says, "a film critic is nothing
more than a glorified movie-goer."  Their opinions should be
respected as their own, but they have no more credentials than
you or me.
--
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sture@lulea.trab.se (Sture Jonsson) writes:

> > -- The 'person' lying in bed with Laura saying "I'm Annie, I've been with Dal
> > and Laura...." etc. wasn't Annie, it was Ronette. She looked like the actress
> > who plays Ronette (she didn't look like Heather Graham). She had the same
> > dress that Ronette had at the 'disco'. Am I right or .... ?

I didn't look quickly enough, but that certainly didn't sound like Annie's
voice to me.


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SPOILERS

jblum@oberon.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:
> >What happened to Teresa's arm?  Irene at Hap's diner said that it had
> >gone completely numb for a while before her death.  Coincidence?

Probably not a coincidence.  If you watched carefully when Laura
found the ring in her hand, she was holding her left arm with
her right hand as if it had fallen asleep.  She had to lift the
arm over her body.  That was the hand in which she found the ring.

> >Or could it be connected to the shaking hands in #2018?  Or BOB's
> >arm reaching out into Glastonberry Grove later that same episode?

I didn't think about the shaking hand connection.  Does anyone
remember which hand shook?  Seems like a plausible connection.

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In <Btv7JC.9Dz@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:


> >   It seemed as if Cooper kept going back and forth between the area
> >the camera was surveying and the TV monitor for no good reason right
> >before Bowie showed up.  Did I miss something?

i think he sensed time slowing down, as someone else mentioned.  so much
that he went to the display room first, saw nothing.  went to the
display room a second time, saw his arm in the door.  and then went
to the display room a third time, and saw himself stuck there in
time as jeffries walked by, unhindered by time.  just a guess?

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> > TP is located in NEWashington.  how does this work out?  was
> > leland visiting theresa in SW?  or did TB later move to the SW
> > before leland visited her?

Explained by the simple line from the movie, when Theresa asks Leland,
"So, when's the next business trip?"

  -J.

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 Steve and Scott ...

> >|> >From one of the clari newsgroups:
> >|> > 
> >|> >>The weekend's other major opening, New Lines' ``Twin Peaks: Fire Walk
> >|> >>with Me'' failed to generate much heat in eighth place with an estimated
> >|> >>$1.9 million at 691 screens. The movie brings to the big screen the
> >|> >>continuing saga of TV's offbeat ``Twin Peaks'' series set in a mythical
> >|> >>Northwest town.
> >|> 
> >|>      Break that down to a per-screen average, please.  Despite what
> >|>      that .clari newsgroup said, this isn't bad for 700 screens.  
> >|>      Read VARIETY instead.

     I thought I should add something I forgot to say in my original
     reply: if Clari refers to FWWM as a "major opening" that doesn't
     mean "major" in the sense of box office potential, it means major
     in the "pop/cult culture event" sense of the word.

> >Sorry about that. Here are the full stats with a per-screen average
> >added by me:
> >M$screens$/screen
> >Honeymoon in Vegas7.51637$4581
> >Unforgiven5.82078$2791
> >Pet Sematary 25.41852$2915
> >Single White Female4.71744$2694
> >Death Becomes Her2.71810$1491
> >Rapid Fire2.31830$1256
> >A League of their Own2.11575$1333
> >TP:FWWM1.9 691$2749
> > 
> >Not so bad after all, you're right Scott!

     I didn't mean for you to actually go and do it, Steve!  Just
     to think about it... but thanks anyway!

> >$/screen seems a much more relevant figure; in looking over
> >the article I just didn't notice that TP opened on relatively few
> >screens. Why is this? Is it because it is a lower-budget film
> >or because they think it doesn't have the wide appeal to play
> >in as many places? In any event, it seems a bit unfortunate,
> >since it insured that TP would not do "well" according to the
> >popular barometer of $ taken in, which is the stat by which
> >films are ranked in your average newspaper and, as we have
> >seen, on clari.

     The per-screen average for major box office films are widely
     inaccurate, as well.  Most theatre chains now show major
     releases - like Pet Sematary 2 and Unforgiven - on more than
     one screen -- but the per/screen average is figured by THE
     THEATRE, not the number of screens in that theatre the movie
     is being shown on.
     So if Pet Sematary 2 was being shown by Lowes on 2 screens this
     weekend, in 2 thousand multiplexes, the real per screen average
     is half your figure.  
     The FWWM figure is accurate, however, because who the hell would
     show a 700 theatre release on more than one screen -- by their
     very nature, small releases appeal to SMALLER audiences, not
     larger ones.
     To answer your question about why it's a relatively small release,
     Steve, in this case it's NewLine testing the waters.  Based on
     the reception here, it's a hard call as to whether they will
     thin the distribution or increase it -- 

     But I do think we'll see only a slight drop off of the nearly
     2 million the movie took in this weekend when the stats for
     next are released -- because it will be all of us goin back
     for seconds.  If the drop off is very small, based on that and
     that alone, NewLine would be justified in increasing distrib -
     probably from 700 to 1200 venues.  (But the truly rotten reviews -
     and Lynch's reputation as a cult filmmaker - don't make that sound
     incredibly promising)...

     I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

     "...So...You Want To Hump The Homecoming Queen..."
                           -Laura, shy, sweet, innocent.
     Scott Gorcey

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01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:

> > Let's face it, the critics are panning it because they are fools with no souls.

Not that I'm one to defend critics much... but I think that critics may simply
be missing the point of the movie, and, to be fair, I don't think they were
told (or anyone was) that the movie was for fans only. Remember that most
critics -- and, in fact, most people -- did not watch TP religiously, and
that without a "scorecard", there's no way to tell what's going on. If 
viewed as a completely separate entity from the other TP materials, it
does appear to be a lousy movie; I doubt I would sit still for a movie that
presumed that I had a clear idea of all the actors and story lines in, say,
Dark Shadows.


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C491153@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu (John Schultz) writes:

> > Second, I found that having had the soundtrack for a week (and listening to
> > it several times), that I was able to piece it into the movie, such as 'Girl
> > Talk' and 'The Voice of Love.'  However, I'm *still* trying to figure out
> > 'Black Dog Runs at Night.'  I was just looking at the liner notes to the
> > TP:FWWM soundtrack and a thought occurred to me.  For the 'Montage from
> > Twin Peaks,' one of the songs listed is 'Birds in Hell' (I can't recall where
> > this was played in the movie.  But remember the quote of 'singing birds and
> > music in the air' (somewhat paraphrased)?  Could this mean the LMFAP is from
> > Hell then?

"The Black Dog Runs at Night" appears in the scene where the kid with the
mask pogos then disappears.

What does "The Pine Float" refer to?

Also: I have a vague feeling that "Girl Talk" is the instrumental version of
James's song from the second season.

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____________
> >   It seemed as if Cooper kept going back and forth between the area
> >the camera was surveying and the TV monitor for no good reason right
> >before Bowie showed up.  Did I miss something?

i think he sensed time slowing down, as someone else mentioned.  so much
that he went to the display room first, saw nothing.  went to the
display room a second time, saw his arm in the door.  and then went
to the display room a third time, and saw himself stuck there in
time as jeffries walked by, unhindered by time.  just a guess?
___________

The impression that I got was that he was waiting for something to happen

in reality that happened in his dream that we had heard about earlier. 

And I think that it was a foretelling of the evil Bob doppleganger that

would eventually show up. It's almost as if we're watching Jefferies (as

a ghost) walk by and enact something that he would do in the future. Tha

is, at some point in the future when the evil Bob doppleganger would be

in Philly, Jefferies would show up up and accuse him of not really being

Cooper. Um, I guess you could say Jefferies was a "time echo" of the coming

sequel-- if it ever comes. Any comments? Is this off the wall?
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I was sort of a latecomer to the Twin Peaks story; I originally shunned
it because the critics gushed over it so much.  However, I did catch
the first season in re-runs, and saw most of the second season.
After watching FWWM and reading the discussion in this newsgroup (which
has an amazingly high signal-to-noise ratio compared to the rest of
the net), I realize just how much I have forgotten about the series.
And, of course, I have none of them on tape.  Has anyone heard of
plans for Twin Peaks syndication?  I could see a cable network (such
as USA) airing it in a latenight slot.

Another question:  Is "garmonbozia" a nonsense word, or does it have
meaning in any known language?  Derived from a word in an obscure
language, perhaps?

                             Answers appreciated,
                                   Scott


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Okay,

My major question is (and its a little complicated. . . ):

Okay, I got the distinct impression that the inhabitants of the Black 

Lodge "eat" pain and suffering (Garbonsiviaum, not even close, sorry).

Further, I got the impression that Bob is almost a butcher for the group.

That he must kill whoever wears that dreaded green ring. Near the end

of the movie, the dwarf and one-armed man asked for their share of the pain and 
suffering. Okay, so question 1.) Are they good or evil if they feed off 

other people's pain and suffering? After all,

they are not objecting to Bob's behavior.

2.) Do they *need* to cosume the pain and suffering

or do they do it for some other reason?

3.) When the one-armed man saw the light and became

"good", he must have stopped consuming pain. Does that

mean that it wasn't necessary for the survival of the

"demons"?

Any comments?
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In article <1992Aug31.222429.20374@athena.mit.edu> jhbrown@athena.mit.edu (Jeremy H Brown) writes:

   In FWWM: Laura didn't say Fire Walk With Me to James at any point onscreen,
   although he claimed she did in the TV premier.

She does say it, in a very odd voice and with her lips distorted in a
way that suggested that BoB was taking over.

   Leland did not appear to rape Laura or Ronnette, and everyone in the cabin
   seemed a mite overdressed for the sort of orgy that was in theory going on.

Most of the orgy was off-screen.  They cut pretty quickly from Laura
begging Jacques not to tie her up, to Jacques pulling his pants back
up.

   There was no mention of the poker chip from OEJack's that was found in
   Laura's stomach.

And they didn't show Waldo pecking at Laura's shoulders.  It seemed
like Lynch mostly didn't want to show the parts of the murder that had
already been described.

   Leland didn't put a letter under anyone's fingernail on-screen.

Ditto.  (No, silly, that's _Ghost_.)

-30-
Bob

``The football is empty.''

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In article <1992Aug31.225915.16410@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> ckt4x@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Curt Tsui) writes:

   Anyways, as a friend of mine says, "a film critic is nothing
   more than a glorified movie-goer."  Their opinions should be
   respected as their own, but they have no more credentials than
   you or me.

Actually, it's surprising how sloppy many movie reviewers are.  I go
to see movies for enjoyment, but I often find that I watch movies much
more carefully than the reviewers.  It's hard to respect someone who
is paid to write about films when they don't pick up on things that I,
a mere layman, can figure out on a single viewing.  Most critics don't
come anywhere near the level of care and insight one finds in the
better discussions in a group like this.

-30-
Bob

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In article <p9efkuk@fido.asd.sgi.com> sjohnson@faulen.asd.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:
    In <Btv7JC.9Dz@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> ceblair@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) writes:

   >   It seemed as if Cooper kept going back and forth between the area
   >the camera was surveying and the TV monitor for no good reason right
   >before Bowie showed up.  Did I miss something?

   i think he sensed time slowing down, as someone else mentioned.  so much
   that he went to the display room first, saw nothing.  went to the
   display room a second time, saw his arm in the door.  and then went
   to the display room a third time, and saw himself stuck there in
   time as jeffries walked by, unhindered by time.  just a guess?

Remember that Cooper had been expecting something to happen on that
day, at that time, because of one of his dreams.

-30-
Bob

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In <a98hawegoih@soda> blojo@xcf.berkeley.edu writes:

>> >> TP is located in NEWashington.  how does this work out?  was
>> >> leland visiting theresa in SW?  or did TB later move to the SW
>> >> before leland visited her?

> >Explained by the simple line from the movie, when Theresa asks Leland,
> >"So, when's the next business trip?"

> >  -J.

sure, but bring laura and ronette all the way out?  or bring theresa
back to twin peaks?  and why the deputy?

sj-don't treat the earth like it was dirt-

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Interesting -- apparently nobody on this group was one of the people who was  
fortunate enough to attend the screening in Mpls at which Robert Engels  
(co-author of FWWM, for those who don't recognize the name, which I may have  
misspelled, but I don't think so) spoke.  He did clear up a few things that  
people have wondered about since our Internet connection went down, so I'll try  
to fill y'all in on what he said:

First, the movie was, in uncut form, about 3:40, in contrast to the measly 2:09  
that it pulled in at in the theatres.  He said that they expect to distribute  
the uncut version eventually on laserdisc, but the folks in charge wouldn't let  
them get away with a movie that long, apparently.  Who the "folks in charge"  
are, exactly, I'm not sure, but it wasn't Robert Engels, anwyay.  Apparently,  
what got cut was mostly from the first half -- Keifer's part was, as the story  
goes, hilarious.  There was a lot of funny stuff going on that just got  
chopped.  It seems that he spent a lot of time going over what things must  
cost, although we only got the tiniest glimpse of that (he mentioned once what  
the police department must have cost).  He also was quite keen on looking into  
every one of the casket-things in the morgue, but that was cut.  The scene at 3  
(or 4) in the morning at the diner had some stuff in it that was cut too: all  
of that flickering blue light came from people trying to torch open a safe, and  
there were a few other obscurish jokes that were fully explained in the uncut  
version, but left to speculation in the cut version.  Robert Engels had thought  
that it wasn't possible to read the guy's button, but a lot of people in the  
theater had managed to see it in the brief glimpse we got of it -- I assume  
that it is made the object of more central focus in the uncut film.  Anyway,  
all in all, I'm very much looking forward to seeing that 3:40 version.

Second, the movie seemed to be very much designed around the casting that they  
had available.  Donna had to be substituted -- no way around that, in my view,  
anyway, since they were supposed to be best friends.  Robert Engels did say,  
though, that he thought that it was rather "sleazy" on the parts of a lot of  
the actors involved (and I think we're talking about Donna & Audrey, but I  
think this applies to quite a few) that they refused to make a movie with the  
man who essentially created their careers.  I don't think he was happy with the  
fact that they did not have the entire cast at their disposal at all.    
Cooper's part, for example, was so brief because they only had Kyle for about  
two weeks -- he had some other commitments -- so, they really didn't have much  
that they could do with him.  Apparently, the movie was shot entirely in a  
year.. not bad.  Anyway, a lot of other things, like David Bowie's character,  
seemed to be "escape hatches" for the next movie.. 

Third, in regard to my last comment, Robert Engels said that there will be  
another movie and that it will be post-series -- ASSUMING that FWWM does well  
enough.  He said that it has already pulled a profit in Japan (i.e. they no  
longer have to worry about breaking even), but he hedged a little bit on saying  
anything for certain (understandably).  He acknowledged that there were a lot  
of loose ends still (which got a bit of a laugh from the audience), and he  
speculated a little bit about the next movie.  Again, it sounded like it was  
very much grounded in what cast members were available -- He said that they HAD  
to try to get one of the four people who knew what was going on: Cooper,  
Windham Earle (or however you spell his name), Major Briggs, or .. somebody  
else.  Sorry, folks.. I've forgotten.  Anyway, the point is this: it really  
matters more who has time to make a movie than what David Lynch WANTS to do.   
He hoped that they would be able to do something with David Bowie's character,  
although the way he mentioned it, it sounded like it would be kind of a last  
resort if all of the people that they want fall through.  It sounds like Cooper  
will NOT be doing the sequel (which has an estimated time of commencement in a  
couple of years -- Robert & David will be doing some other project next, and  
they don't plan to thing about the next TP movie until that project is out of  
the way).  What Robert Engels said was that Kyle did not want to become another  
"James T. Kirk" -- which he quickly pointed out DIDN'T happen to every actor,  
and gave another example which was lost in the recesses of my memory soon  
afterwards, but it was convincing enough anyway.

In fact, point the Fourth, is that when Robert Engels was talking about writing  
with David Lynch, he said that they didn't have at the forefront of their  
thoughts to keep everything in line with what was going on in the TV series.   
He did admit that there was a very definite "thing going on underneath" that he  
and Lynch knew about and planned around, but he made it sound like he wouldn't  
be surprised in the least if there are discrepancies between the series and  
movie, and even more importantly, he wouldn't care.  He said that he and David  
Lynch know what the meaning of the white mask that the little boy was wearing  
was, but that it wasn't all that important what THEIR interpretations were --  
that people were supposed to draw those conclusions for themselves, and perhaps  
differently.  When the question "What did the white mask mean?" was posed to  
him a little while later, Robert Engels laughed and said, "I can't tell you  
that."

What else of interest was there?  I think I hit most of the parts that seemed  
relevant.  It was interesting to hear him talk about it, and he seems pretty  
pleased with the end result.  Me, I just can't wait for the laserdisk and the  
sequel.. not that I think we'll ever get a very clear idea of what David Lynch  
himself thinks is going on.  I got the impression that there wasn't going to be  
a third movie, but that may be just because the second movie is all the farther  
they want to think at the moment.

If I think of something else that he mentioned that I forgot, I'll follow this  
up -- perhaps another posting will jog my memory, and perhaps somebody else was  
there that just hasn't posted..
--
schmotsignature.
Paul Hagstrom
(hagstrop@carleton.edu)

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jhbrown@athena.mit.edu (Jeremy H Brown) writes:
> >   In FWWM: Laura didn't say Fire Walk With Me to James at any point onscreen,
> >   although he claimed she did in the TV premier.

ingria@BBN.COM writes:
> >She does say it, in a very odd voice and with her lips distorted in a
> >way that suggested that BoB was taking over.

That was to Harold.  She was supposed to say it to James.

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> > 2.) Do they *need* to cosume the pain and suffering
> >     or do they do it for some other reason?

Perhaps they are addicted to it.

  -J.

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Did anyone ever find any other references to the black lodge beside the 1919
book 'MOONCHILD' by Aleister Crowley? This book contains 2 chapters on a 
place called the black lodge.  Look in the occult section of your local bookstore.

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Thanks for recapping what Engels said, Paul.  Useful information.

hagstrop@oberon.mathcs.carleton.edu (Paul Hagstrom) writes:
> >First, the movie was, in uncut form, about 3:40, in contrast to the measly
> >2:09 that it pulled in at in the theatres.  He said that they expect to
> >distribute the uncut version eventually on laserdisc, but the folks in
> >charge wouldn't let them get away with a movie that long, apparently.

Does this mean they won't release an uncut laserdisc?  Or that the
folks in charge just wouldn't let them distribute a 3 hour plus
movie to movie theatres?

> >It sounds like Cooper
> >will NOT be doing the sequel (which has an estimated time of commencement in a
> >couple of years -- Robert & David will be doing some other project next, and
> >they don't plan to thing about the next TP movie until that project is out of
> >the way).  What Robert Engels said was that Kyle did not want to become another
> >"James T. Kirk" -- which he quickly pointed out DIDN'T happen to every actor,
> >and gave another example which was lost in the recesses of my memory soon
> >afterwards, but it was convincing enough anyway.

Harrison Ford as Indiana Jones?  No one seems to have typecast him.

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In article <2AA2C681.2215@ics.uci.edu> bvickers@valentine.ics.uci.edu (Brett J.  
Vickers) writes:
> > hagstrop@oberon.mathcs.carleton.edu (Paul Hagstrom) writes:
>> > >First, the movie was, in uncut form, about 3:40, in contrast to the measly
>> > >2:09 that it pulled in at in the theatres.  He said that they expect to
>> > >distribute the uncut version eventually on laserdisc, but the folks in
>> > >charge wouldn't let them get away with a movie that long, apparently.
> > 
> > Does this mean they won't release an uncut laserdisc?  Or that the
> > folks in charge just wouldn't let them distribute a 3 hour plus
> > movie to movie theatres?

Sorry to be ambiguous about that.  They couldn't release it in MOVIE (i.e.  
theater) form being as long as that, so they had to cut it down.  However, the  
laser disc will be, if all goes as currently planned, the entire 3+ hours long.
--
schmotsignature.
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as215@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Alexander Aingworth) writes:

> > 
> > It seems Jack Nance was originally intended to reprise his role,
> > Pete Martell, but his scenes were removed in the final cut of Fire Walk
> > With Me.  What did Pete Martell do in the movie before he was removed?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> >    any turkey
> >     can smoke!

Jack Nance's wife recently committed suicide. The events surrounding her 
death (sex & drugs) are eerily similar to the death of Laura Palmer.

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If I may simply state so, without re-quoting his entire message, I agree
with many of his thoughts, but would not have come up with most of them on
my own. While I agree with them, I also want to say that they do "bother"
me in a serious way. This whole FWWM discussion & flick (especially that
damned painting with the door) is really disturbing me...

---

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In article <la5eh7INNsam@news.bbn.com> hagstrop@oberon.mathcs.carleton.edu (Paul Hagstrom) writes:
> >  What Robert Engels said was that Kyle did not want to become another  
> >"James T. Kirk" -- which he quickly pointed out DIDN'T happen to every actor,  
> >and gave another example which was lost in the recesses of my memory soon  
> >afterwards, but it was convincing enough anyway.
   His example was Sean Connery (i.e. there was life after 007).

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Spoilers...



















In article <asdga24aaoiy483@xcf> blojo@xcf.berkeley.edu (Jon Blow) writes:
>> >> 2.) Do they *need* to cosume the pain and suffering
>> >>     or do they do it for some other reason?
> >
> >Perhaps they are addicted to it.

This is a *very* interesting theory.  Remember the extreme close-up at the
end of the mouth sucking up the creamed corn from the spoon?  Consider...

- The spoon was clean and shiny as a mirror afterwards.  We earlier saw
an extreme close-up of Laura snorting cocaine from a mirror.

- The corn was sucked off a spoon.  Earlier we saw Laura snorting cocaine
from a spoon.

I think we're on to something here.

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One of the posters (Joe Zitt) just mentioned _Dark
Shadows_, which is odd because while I was watching
FWWM I thought briefly about the following:

What would it be like if David Lynch were to direct
a feature-length postmodern version of DS?

IMHO, the main problem with DS adaptations to date has
been Dan Curtis' participation in the production
process.  Mr. Curtis, BTW is responsible for coming up
with the original idea for the series, but his
skills as a director are pretty sad.

I don't really want to start a new thread and dilute the
discussion of FWWM, but it's always seemed to be that
there are a *lot* of similarities between DS and TP.

One last thought: Ray Wise as Barnabas Collins.

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 I saw the film a little earlier this evening, but I'm still chuckling
over the review in todays' paper. It was the usual bad review, but the
last bit had me rolling on the floor :
 
  "What is a fire walk?  The movie never tells us."

 Is this critic with it or what?

     Ed
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In article <cwaeqB2w165w@zitt> zitt!joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt) writes:
> >
> >What does "The Pine Float" refer to?
> >

 Interesting, I've just seen the movie and I don't have the sound
 track so I totally missed that reference. You do know what a pine
 float is, don't you? It's an old expression I haven't heard since
 I was a child. It's a toothpick in a glass of water. Were is that
 phrase used? Is is one of the tracks on the disk or was it a line
 in the movie?




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In article <asdga24aaoiy483@xcf> blojo@xcf.berkeley.edu (Jon Blow) writes:
>> >> 2.) Do they *need* to cosume the pain and suffering
>> >>     or do they do it for some other reason?
> >
> >Perhaps they are addicted to it.

This is a *very* interesting theory.  Remember the extreme close-up at the
end of the mouth sucking up the creamed corn from the spoon?  Consider...

- The spoon was clean and shiny as a mirror afterwards.  We earlier saw
an extreme close-up of Laura snorting cocaine from a mirror.

- The corn was sucked off a spoon.  Earlier we saw Laura snorting cocaine
from a spoon.

I think we're on to something here.
_______________________

I really like that idea. It would explain why the one-armed man was

able to survive without killing and/or conspiring to kill women any

more. He "saw the light" and kicked the habit . . . cool. That also

suggests that the other members of the lodge are not addicted to

Gormonbozia. 

Along the same lines. . . is the dwarf Bob's partner? Boss?

Has anyone ever gotten the impression that the dwarf might be satan?

The dwarf has certainly never done anything to help Cooper out--

like the giant did. Also, the dwarf wears a red suit-- am I reaching,

or what?
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sjohnson@faulen.asd.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:
: 
: >     What happened to the stuff at the end?  I saw some slides with Hawk
: >     in the Waiting Room... and the Dweller in the Threshold... and Major

What did the Dweller in the Threshold look like ??

: >     Briggs... and Annie (but in her hospital room... with a ring, but
: >     Dale's ring, not the one in the movie)...  I guess this was all shot,
: >     or there wouldn't be action-slides on the sets; so it was cut?  What
: >     a bastard he is!!!
: 
: >           Scott

He has to have something left for the next movie, or the 'directors cut' of
this one ;-)

/Sture

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iott@rtsg.mot.com (Joel K. Iott) writes:
: 
: The stoplight is explained!

How ? I saw the movie but don't remember this..... (yet another reason to take
that memory course, if I could remember who held it....)

/Sture

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2609cowend@vms.csd.mu.edu writes:
: 
:  
:  
:  
:  
:  
:  
:  
:  
:  
:  
:  
:  
:  
: >-- The 'person' lying in bed with Laura saying "I'm Annie, I've been with Dale
: >and Laura...." etc. wasn't Annie, it was Ronette. She looked like the actress
: >who plays Ronette (she didn't lok like Heather Graham). She had the same
: >dress that Ronette had at the 'disco'. Am I right or ... ?
:  
:     Are you sure?  When I saw it, I thought "Wait...is that Annie?" -- but, I
: did not confuse her with Ronette at first, I at first thought it could be
: _Caroline_.  Definately was _not_ Ronette, and since Heather Graham's name was
: listed in the opening credits, I will assume that that truly _was_ Annie.

Well, yes but.... The first time I saw the movie I wondered about what she said
"I'm Annie. I've been with Dale and LAURA". I thought 'hey, what did Annie have
to do with Laura'. Then I also thought 'is that really Heather Graham ?'. I
think she had the wrong haircolour, and didn't have the same 'female body' that
Graham has (she is one of my favourite actresses of the series, so I've been
looking quite a bit at her ;-).

Then the second time I thought her face looked a lot like Ronettes, and then
I noticed the dress Ronette wore at the 'disco' was very similar to the one
'Annie' had in Lauras bed.

Unfortunately I can't see it again, since it is no longer showing at the 
theatres here where I live.

Oh, well, it'll be out on video eventually !

:  
: >-- In the first part of the movie, Chet Desmond and Sam whatshisname went to a
: >diner. In that diner there was a copule, a middleaged man looking 'like a bum'
: >and a younger girl looking verrrry elegant. The man said something like 'are
: >you asking about the young girl that was murdered'. I got the impression that
: >those folks were from the lodge, or some similar place.
:  
:      Well, notice however that whenever the film "ventured" into the Lodge,
: one saw the "static", or the evil element briefly.  There was none of this
: in that diner, and the people in there just seemed _stupid_, not diabolically
: strange like in the Lodge.  
:      Notice, _everyone_ in Deer Meadow (or whatever) seemed stupid and 
: belligerent -- not evil -- including the Sheriff that could bend steel, etc.

Yes, I thought that these people looked so wrong together, but as a friend of
mine pointed out: Isn't that quite a lot like Lynch ? People being 'wrong' for
each other, or in the wrong environment etc. So... maybe I'm all wrong !
:  
:   Just my thoughts...
: 

Same here !

: ------------------------------------------------
: David Eschatfische -- 2609COWEND@VMS.CSD.MU.EDU

/Sture

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   In the credits, Jurgen Prochnow is listed as Woodsman.  I remember
from the series that the Log Lady said, "My husband was a logging man;
he met the devil."
What does everybody think about Jurgen being the Log Lady's husband?



                    Ken 'You remind me of a small, Mexican chihuahua' Miller
                    


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In article <STATMAN.92Aug31120015@marlin.stat.ufl.edu>, statman@stat.ufl.edu (Chuck Kincaid) writes:

> > The one thing that it was missing that no one, yet, has
> > commented about is the owls!  All through the scene with LP and Bobby in
> > the forest with the flashlight panning through the trees I expected to
> > see owls.  But not a one!  Anywhere!  This is just a minor thing (is it?
> > only maybe.) but I missed them.
 
This was the first thing I commented on when I left the theater. Maybe
THAT was what Jurgen Prochnow was there for. He looked like an owl. ;-)
The SECOND comment was the only major continuity error: Leo never got any
of Jacques' blood on his shirt. 'Nuff said, I don't want to add any
spoilers.

(I don't count Dale's autobiography as canon, so I won't comment on
the conflicting continuity there...)

Curt Wiederhoeft

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In article <EecqE0C00UhWI1JAQZ@andrew.cmu.edu>, km46+@andrew.cmu.edu (Ken Miller) writes...
> > 
> >   In the credits, Jurgen Prochnow is listed as Woodsman.  I remember
>from the series that the Log Lady said, "My husband was a logging man;
> >he met the devil."
> >What does everybody think about Jurgen being the Log Lady's husband?
> > 
> > 
I posted this on Saturday. I agree wholeheartedly. New thought: 
Prochnow's woodsman doesn't say anything that we can hear; 
perhaps he never did, and only a select few (Margaret, for example)
can hear him.
         Oh, well...just a thought...
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"Shut Your eyes and you'll burst into flames."

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WALDER@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Walder Matthias) writes:

> > Hello fellows,
> > 
> > lots of confusion about the Bowie appearance in FWWM. First I want to say
> > that I liked FWWM really :-) I had expected some short minutes about Coop
> > leaving or staying in the black lodge...
> > 
> > So - my thoughts about the Bowie part were that he was also in the black
> > lodge for some years (2 if I remember exactly)... maybe he had the chance
> > to escape for some minutes and he decided to come to the FBI office?!?
> > 
> > Hm, maybe we'll see Coop for some minutes escaping in the next part of Twin
> > Peaks? :-)
> > 
> > That's it - greetings from Germany... Matthias
> > 
> >                   "This flame that burns inside of me -
> >                I'm here in secret harmony
> >                          It's a kind of magic"
> >      
> >   --- walder@dulruu51 --- walder@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de --- Ronin on IRC ---
> > 

In the origenal scripts didn't it say that he was a time-traveling FBI 
agent. If this is the chase it explaines his never being recorded as in the 
building, be caause he jumed there in time. Also some distortion of time 
that he may have caused explaines Coop seeing himself in the camera.

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01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:

> > I just realized something. The Little Man From Another Place is Mike.
> > Think about it: he "spoke" through the One Armed Man in the Lodge. I 
> > would therefor say that he is "possessing"  the OAM in the same way BOB
> > possesses Leland. We know the being possing the OAM is Mike. Therefore,
> > the LMFAP is probably MIKE. Neat, eh?
> > So, I guess the Canadian tourism industry is in for a boom after
> > that Pink Room scene ;-)
> > Later, 
> > Mike (no, not *that* Mike!)

Thay can't be the case because then coup would see mike as the lmfap in his 
dreams, he doesn't he sees them seperately. Also if the LMFAP is the arm 
that containes the tatoo and the eavel part of MIKE then he can't be Mike as 
a hole. I think that the seen in the convienence store with the "pain and 
suffering was supposed to take place befor the rest of the film and before 
mike cut his arm off and became good. Rembur in coops dream "We le it." Mike 
lived in the store with bob BEFORE turning good. Does anyone rembur if he 
had the arm in that sean.
          --=>Arogorn<=--
          >>------------>

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-> I didn't think about the shaking hand connection.  Does anyone
-> remember which hand shook?  Seems like a plausible connection.
I thought that the shaking of Bob's hand when he let goe of the blood was 
related to this.

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htilney@vax.clarku.edu writes:

> > 
> > In a previous article, 01sybok@ac.dal.ca wrote:
>> > >I just realized something. The Little Man From Another Place is Mike.
>> > >Think about it: he "spoke" through the One Armed Man in the Lodge. I 
>> > >would therefor say that he is "possessing"  the OAM in the same way BOB
>> > >possesses Leland. We know the being possing the OAM is Mike. Therefore,
>> > >the LMFAP is probably MIKE. Neat, eh?
> > 
> > Remember when the dwarf said "I am the arm?" I think he somehow represents
> > the evil that MIKE lost when he lost his arm and was "purified." 
> > But when did this supposedly happen to MIKE? After Laura's murder?
> > 
> > -
> > Bart "Webb" Tilney|   "All of life is a blur 
> > Email: htilney@vax.clarku.edu|    of Republicans and meat!"

It couldn't have happened after the murder or Mike would have A had the arm 
through out the movie, and B not worned laura about mike.

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-> The Mike at the traffic scene was the good Mike.  In the series,
-> Mike talks about cutting off his own arm to keep Bob out.
-> Notice how there is a common thread about the left arm. 
-> Anyway, in cutting off the left arm, Mike has permanently
-> anchored his good doppleganger in the TP world.
I could buy that. Did the "bad" Mike still have the arm? If this is the case 
it would explan how the LMFAP coud exist at the same time as the eavel mike! 

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Ok people, I have been reading this group for 6 months, I went back and watched
all the episodes again, and saw the movie.  [I have a life?] and here are
my thoughts:

The mask that the "child" wears is indeed an owl mask.
It seems that whomever puts on the ring, dies.  
Mike can not physically stop Bob.  
That was Annie in bed with Laura.
Time runs backwards in the lodge.  Cooper's gunshot wound reappears and Annie
ends up in bed with Laura "before" she enters the lodge.
I whole heartedly agree with the addiction theme, remember that the old lady
said to Donna, "I don't eat creamed corn".  probably a reference to the fact
that she did not partake in the substance.
I think Catherine put the fish in the purculator as a prank for Pete/Josie
The white horse means someone is drugged, not death.
Bowie/Jefferies was definetely in "Time phase".  He witnessed a meeting 
of the "aliens" but escaped before he could be imprisoned in wood.
Wood is the aliens method of containment.
Now ...  Here's the big one...
I think Bob, Mike's familiar (owl) turned on Mike.  This is when Mike
realized the errors of his ways and cut off his arm (LMFAP).  He physically
cut off his arm as a symbol of his turning, so he could be sure that he
would never revert back to his old ways.  See, LMFAP seems to posess ARMS.
The arm goes dead, remember?  
So, LMFAP can no longer control any of Mike's actions, Mike has no arm LMFAP
can posess.  LMFAP need not posess Bob's arm, Bob already does dirty work
for him.  LMFAP is the one with the addiction.

I think I got that last one across.
I don't know whether the LMFAP PHYSICALLY posesses the arm of his minions
to insure their obedience, but this could be true as well.

Any responses desperately welcomed.

P.S. I think Jacques told Cooper what he actually BELIEVED happened.  He and
Leo argued so much, and there was So MUCH coke.







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georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel) writes:

> > In article <H11FqB2w165w@zitt> zitt!joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt) write
>> > >01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
>> > >
>>> > >> So, I guess the Canadian tourism industry is in for a boom after
>>> > >> that Pink Room scene ;-)
>> > >
>> > >Come to think of it, how far from Canada is Twin Peaks supposed to be? I
>> > >thought it was rather far away from it, but characters seem to get to and
> > >from Canada rather quickly.
>> > >
> > 
> >  Twin Peaks is supposed to be really close to the Canadian border. Remember
> >  that One Eyed Jacks is also in Canada (from what I understood). I don't
> >  know about anyone else but, I am from Canada and I didn't particularly like
> >  the impression they were trying to paint on Canadian bars, or Canada itself.
> >  I mean when Laura enters "The Bar" in Canada to meet Jacques and Ronnette al
> > 
> >  you see is sex, drugs and rock and roll. I mean girls dirty dancing on the
> >  floor like they were doing, stripping down, guys licking the breasts of
> >  women and women being "eaten out" (Laura..under the table) and then have
> >  Jacques (or someone) saying "Welcome to Canada" didn't seem too pleasing. I
> >  for one would like to know of any bars in Canada which are like *that*. :-)
> > 
> >   -=*George*=-
> > 
> > 

I don't think they are trying to say that Canadin bars are sleezy. They are 
just saying that OEJ is in Canida so that it can not as easaly be linked 
with Ben Horn and that this other bar is in Canida because the wanted it to 
be neer OEJ

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In article <ii9DqB1w165w@zitt> zitt!joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt) writes:
> >sture@lulea.trab.se (Sture Jonsson) writes:
> >
>> >> -- The 'person' lying in bed with Laura saying "I'm Annie, I've been with Dal
>> >> and Laura...." etc. wasn't Annie, it was Ronette. She looked like the actress
>> >> who plays Ronette (she didn't look like Heather Graham). She had the same
>> >> dress that Ronette had at the 'disco'. Am I right or .... ?
> >
> >I didn't look quickly enough, but that certainly didn't sound like Annie's
> >voice to me.

Well, Heather Graham's name was in the opening credits, and, call me crazy, I
thought it looked like her, at least the her in the scene in the TV finale
where it was Caroline in Annie's body in the Lodge.  I belive that Annie's
voice was in "Lodgespeak".

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Anyone that knows where to find/have lots of GIF pictures from the TwinPeaks 
series. Especially interested in the female acters (Sherilyn Fenn)...

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> > Hey, I found a positive review of FWWM in the San Diego Union-Tribune!

There was also a positive review in the Los Angeles Times this
morning.
 
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Could someone repost the ftp site where Tp stuff can be found. I think
it was audry.something.

thanks,

Adrian

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So far there has only been one mention of FWWM in the UK here, and that
was someone asking when it will be released.  I rang various cinemas,
and asked when FWWM would be out.

One (Odeon) said that they only had definite details for the next month
or so, and it definitely wouldn't appear in that time.  She said it might
appear sometime after October, since `less mainstream' titles are sometimes
slipped in at short notice.  But she didn't really seem to know.

The Cannon said they didn't have it down for release before December,
but didn't seem to know anything about it anyway.

Perhaps a UK film buff type would know who to ring about this?
You out there Col?

-neilb

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My SO claims he saw a blue rose on the angel in the Red Room (or lodge?).
Is he correct? (I was so overwhelmed by it all, I missed this point.) Was 
there a blue rose on the angel in the picture, too? Or were there blue roses
in the picture's garden?


Esther S. BozakInternet: ebozak@cloy@oswego.edu
Computer ScienceBitnet: ebozak@synova.bitnet
SUNY Oswego

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Adam Goldberg suggested the "aliens" imprison people in wood. Interesting
thought. It would explain our last sight of Josie, her face superimposed
on some part of piece of wooden furniture (handle? pull? something). I
never could figure out that image.

I now realize that I missed in FWWM all the wood that was in TP - maybe
because there were no shots in the Great Northern.

All these recent postings have covered about everything I myself was
going to say -- FWWM you either hate it or love it, apparently. One
odd thing -- my perception of the Palmer's house in FWWM was that it
was MUCH SMALLER INSIDE than in TP. The livingroom with that screen
behind the sofa, the same room where Leland killed Maddie, etc. etc.
seemed about half the size in FWWM. Of course the lighting and, as
someone else pointed out, the graininess of the film was entirely
different in FWWM -- at some points it seemed almost like amateur
photography to me. So the perceived difference of the size of the
rooms in the Palmer house coudl have been a factor of that. But I
wonder if that interior set really WAS smaller than in TP?  One of
Lynch's subtle and sly effects?

Another point: After killing LP in a train car that appeared to be
nowhere near water, why didnt LeBob just leave the body there? Why
go to the tremendous effort of wrapping it in a huge sheet of plastic,
transporting it however far it was to the river?  

REalistically, the plastic was open around her head, so the package
would have filled with water and sunk, not floated. However, the
scene of the plastic-wrapped body floating down the river was a
great shot. It triggered something about Elaine the Lily Maid in
Morte de'Arthur, floating downstream. I've forgotten the details,
is anyone up on this? And I'm wondering if that's where Lynch drew
the imagery for that from?

Lou


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James J. Campanella writes:

> >   Along the same lines. . . is the dwarf Bob's partner? Boss?
> >
> >   Has anyone ever gotten the impression that the dwarf might be satan?
> >
> >   The dwarf has certainly never done anything to help Cooper out--
> >
> >   like the giant did. Also, the dwarf wears a red suit-- am I reaching,
> >
> >   or what?

I choose 'what'.   I believe the "Waiting Room" is purgatory.  In purgatory
God is absent but angels need not be.  We of course see at least one angel 
(Laura's guardian angel) there.  Lucifer (the fallen angel) would be another.  
One more would be Cooper's guardian angel (the giant).  

Laura's guardian angel is a quite classical one.  She puts up with quite 
a lot before she gives up trying to help Laura.  Yet when Laura has gone 
through enough pain and suffering in purgatory, she returns.

The abandonment of Laura's angel is symbolized when the angel fades in the 
picture.  This happens due to Laura's choosing.  It's when she decide's to
let Bob enter her.

I remember an angel helping someone in FWWM also.  But I can't remember the
situation.  Does anyone else?

Kevin


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"...Ah, but when I saw the face of God, I was changed... took the entire
arm off..."

Remember the one-armed man saying that?  Originally we took it to mean that
MIKE had repented of the killings, cut off his arm (separating himself from
the LMFAP), and tracked BOB to Twin Peaks.

The movie seems to tell a different story.

In the film, MIKE and the Man From Another Place are in the Red Room together,
and BOB feeds them both.  Also, the MFAP touched his shoulder, as if
attached.

What does this mean?  Did the scene in the Red Room take place in some kind
of time-slip, from before MIKE was "changed"?  Could it be connected to the
one-armed man's apparent amnesia about Leland Palmer?

Help?  Anyone?

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In article <2AA2C420.744@ics.uci.edu> bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes:
> >jhbrown@athena.mit.edu (Jeremy H Brown) writes:
>> >>   In FWWM: Laura didn't say Fire Walk With Me to James at any point onscreen,
>> >>   although he claimed she did in the TV premier.

> >ingria@BBN.COM writes:
>> >>She does say it, in a very odd voice and with her lips distorted in a
>> >>way that suggested that BoB was taking over.

> >That was to Harold.  She was supposed to say it to James.

No, she wasn't.  What James recounts didn't take place on the night of the
murder, but some other time that they were in the woods.  It ended with
her saying, "Do you want to play with fire, little boy?"  Guess it was one
of those things that Lynch didn't think was important enough to show.

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Who didn't like the one subtitle that included 
the definition for Gormonbozia?   I think Lynch should
have ommitted the parenthetical definition and explained
in some other manner that it meant pain and suffering.

This was similar to all of the audience-heard thoughts 
in Dune.  i.e. Muad-dib: "My name is a killing word."

Kevin

p.s.  Then again, if he didn't put the definition in,  I 
could be posting something like:

Gormonbozia sounds like garbonzo beans which are
actually chick-peas.  The chick that likes a lot 
of peas is Mrs. Hayward.  So TMFAP and TOAM only
wanted the same kind of peas that Mrs. Hayward eats.
(that's not to much to ask for)

p.s.  I apologize to all of the N.O.W. members out there for
the use of my word 'chick'.


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In article <KANDALL.92Sep1170900@globalize.nsg.sgi.com> kandall@nsg.sgi.com (Michael Kandall) writes:

> >Why did Leland's hair turn white in the TV series?  I thought it was
> >because BOB had taken over his mind/body/soul.  Coop said he should
> >have realized earlier that BOB's grey, greasy hair, and the sudden
> >change in Leland's hair was related.

> >In the movie, it seems that BOB had controled Leland from long ago.

I think the change came about because Leland's actions AS LELAND were
getting more Bob-like.  Apparently his killing of Jacques was his own
act, not that of BOB.  Also, while his attack on Jacoby has been
labeled an act of BOB by the producers, his sneaking out to follow Maddy
earlier in that episode seems to have been Leland acting on his own.

Before BOB could assert control over Leland only for moments.  Now Leland
himself is becoming more BOB-like -- one of Robert's children.  Now that
he has become a creature of BOB, able to commit violent acts free from guilt
or shame (like killing Jacques), he is marked by the appearance of BOB.

Sound good?

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We all know controversy sells.  Look at the way an overwhelmingly complex,
art-house film like "The Last Temptation of Christ" did big business
because of fundamentalist pickets.  A similar thing happened with "The
Life of Brian".

And more pertinently, a mediocre film like "Basic Instinct" zoomed to the
top of the charts because of publicity from protests about the way it
portrayed gays, lesbians, and bisexuals.

So...

If David Lynch and company had wanted a blockbuster, all they needed to do
was publicize how "Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me" was the story of a
coke-snorting bisexual whose sexual practices lead to her death.

Instant protests, instant publicity.

Hmm, wonder if one of the protest groups would have named themselves
"Leland Did It"...

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In article <Btt4wy.Hwt@well.sf.ca.us> Robert Chao, rchao@well.sf.ca.us
writes:
> >I saw Twin Peaks:Fire Walk With Me grudgingly, just because a friend
wanted
> >to go. I felt David Lynch had gotten carried away with himself lately, as
> >I didn't like Wild At Heart or the pilot for the second season of TP.
> >I LOVED THIS FILM.
> >I HAVE NO IDEA WHY.

I just have to say, for the record, that I had been an avid TP fan, and I 
absolutely *hated* this movie.  It was embarassingly bad.  Yuck.

Not that this movie didn't have its moments.  It certainly did.  The 
opening credits and opening scene (the extraction from the television, 
etc.) make a definite statement.  And Cooper's FBI office dream sequence, 
with the videocameras and Bowie, are remarkably spooky and dream-like.

But, looking back, that's what the whole movie seemed like to me, a bad 
dream, which would be a appropriate backdrop for a TP story, but there
was 
no story.  Just a handful of facts, half of them there to tie into the 
series.  No explanation or character development.  And the dialog!  
"Gobble, gobble, gobble"?!  Give me a break.

Well, just my $0.02.

Cliff Chaput                   | "The scribes on all the people shove
Institute of Learning Sciences |  and bawl alliegence to the state.
Northwestern University        |  But those who love the greater love
chaput@ils.nwu.edu             |  lay down thier lives; they do not hate"

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In article <1992Aug26.060429.28986@cs.mun.ca> georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel) writes:
> >      are "One in the same" and I assumed the Giant has been like the "keeper"
                ^^
and

> >   One chance out between two worlds,
               ^^^^^^
       chants

I believe my corrections are correct.  Anyone have scripts or close-captioning
info to confirm?

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!uunet!cadence!phz)

Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey:

  I bet the main reason the police keep people away from a plane crash is they
  don't want anybody walking in and lying down in the crash stuff, then, when
  somebody comes up, act like they just woke up and go, "What was THAT?!"

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