Season 1, Episode 05: Cooper's Dreams — May 10–16, 1990

In article <13245@ttidca.TTI.COM>, lester@ttidca.TTI.COM (jim) writes:
> >   My friend's latest theory is that the citizens sacrifice body parts to the
> > EVIL in the woods to avoid, uh, well, who knows?   (As an aside & response
> > to a recent posting, could the twins have been seperated at birth in order
> > to eventually sacrifice one of them (obviously not a virgin) to the EVIL at,
> > say, age 18?  Yeah, I know I'm stretching it, but Lynch makes me think.

Talk like this has me thinking that maybe what we're really watching is a
retelling of The Wicker Man.  Audrey's romp in the hay with Cooper (if
consummated) would tend to discredit this notion, but maybe she's trying to
save him.

SPOILER (for the Wicker Man, not for TP):

(Watch me get slaughtered:  The Wicker Man is about a policeman sent to an
island community off the coast of Britain to solve a murder there, but the
populations, led by Christopher Lee, is a pagan community who needs to
sacrifice a virgin.  He thinks that this is the fate that has befallen the
murdered girl, but in reality it is the fate in store for him, he being a
virgin.  Someone PLEASE correct and fill in proper details, it's been a loooong
time since I've seen this movie.)
 
There, now I've really embarrassed myself.
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Rich Rosenrlr@toccata.rutgers.edu
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Excerpts from netnews.alt.tv.twin-peaks: 11-May-90 Re: An Icelandic Saga
- Twi.. Fraering Philip@pc.usl.e (167)

> > The RAVEN is the messenger of the old Norse god Odin. Odin was worshipped
> > toroughout the area of what is now (and was then) Scandinavia, including
> > Norway and Iceland.

According to the on-line Academic American Encyclopedia, the Norse god
Odin, whose sacred bird is the raven, is "depicted as tall, bearded, and
ONE-EYED, HAVING EXCHANGED HIS OTHER EYE FOR WISDOM."  (Emphasis mine.)

Hmm...

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In article <3576.2648160b@wums.wustl.edu>, soper_n@wums.wustl.edu writes...

} In article <4aFPa3a00jukFKK4Vl@cs.cmu.edu>, Jon.Webb@CS.CMU.EDU writes:

}} It seems to me that Josie Parker might be a lot more involved with
                             ^^^^^^
} As if things aren't confusing enough, now we find out that Josie and the
} murder victim are related too? I thought she was named PACKARD, like the
} sawmill

She is. But why does Jon's misspelling indicate that Josie and the murder
victim are related? Laura was named PALMER.

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I sent this in a little while ago about the conversation between Dr. Jacoby
and Bobby...

> > Bobby said "She wanted so much ... she made me sell drugs so she could
> > have [th]em".  

I just got that from my video tape.  

I saw other people mentioning that Nadine was Blacky without the patch.
I really don't think so.  

I don't think that Josie Packard is bad, she is just trying to keep
her sawmill.  And Ben Horne is probably just trying to play all sides
of the fence (plus Josie has pictures).  

Concerning Lucy and Andy's relationship, in the pilot, Lucy mentions to
Sherriff Cooper that she put some decaf out because of Andy... I think
that the problem is that Andy has been a little on the impotent side
because of all the caffine.  Lucy is just pissed off about this.

New theory about Leo's shirt:  What is Bob Lydecker's blood type?
After all, he is in a coma from some bar incident.  Maybe Leo tried
to kill Lydecker.

Laura's tape to Jacoby was most likely a dream or a vision.  Could she
had been foreseeing her own death?  I think the tape that Maddie found
will be very important.

Kelley McDonald

ps.  I'll bet that we see Audrey wearing the flashy FBI windbreaker
in the next episode.

pss.  I hope we find out about that other twine that Albert found on 
Laura and Ronnette.  That is an important clue.

Send E-mail to Kelley@lyra.colorado.edu

In article <3576.2648160b@wums.wustl.edu>, soper_n@wums.wustl.edu oozed:
==> In article <4aFPa3a00jukFKK4Vl@cs.cmu.edu>, Jon.Webb@CS.CMU.EDU writes:
==> > It seems to me that Josie Parker might be a lot more involved with
==> >                           ^^^^^^
==> 
==> As if things aren't confusing enough, now we find out that Josie and the
==> murder victim are related too?  I thought she was named PACKARD, like the
==> sawmill

and, ahem, the murder victim is laura PALMER (not parker).

-- Plus, I just plain love meat. Beef, chicken, rodentia; if it once was ambulatory, I'll take seconds! --- martyst (Crypto-Luddite)

In article <2713@ariel.unm.edu>, blowfish@carina.unm.edu (rON. (blowfish@carina.unm.edu)) writes...

} My mother heard lyrics to the theme song for TP (on a new-age station).
} Does anybody have the artists name and a copy of the lyrics?

The artist is Julee Cruise. The album is FLOATING INTO THE NIGHT, and
the lyrics are printed in the album (at least, they're in the little
booklet with the CD).

} Who played the part of 'The man from another place' (the midget in coopers
> > dream).

Michael J. Anderson.

} Can someone mail me the name of the person who is the clearinghouse for
} videotape requests, I am needing a copy of the premier.

Sorry.

} Was the scene with Bobby and Shelly broadcast (the scene where she gives
} him Leo's bloody shirt, episode 4)?

Yes.

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In article <20968@boulder.Colorado.EDU>, kelley@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Kelley McDonald) writes...

} when Hank beat Leo up, did he say he would take apart his "Chippy" before
> > killing him?  What is a "Chippy", was he refering to Shelly or to Leo's
> > corvette?

Shelly. "Chippy" is a slang word along the lines of "frail", "dame",
"skirt", etc., etc.

} The blood on Leo's shirt was Jacques Renault's.

It is?  No, that was Cooper's guess, based on the blood on the shirt being
the same type as Jacques'. He isn't the only one in the world with AB-.
He didn't seem the worse for wear the last time we saw him (which was at
least two-and-a-half days after Shelly found the blood-soaked shirt).

} The "Log Lady", her name is Margaret, right?

That's what it sounded like.

} Was the log saying there was an eye-witness?  "A woman's voice".

For the record, here is a transcription of the log's testimony:

    "Dark. Laughing. The owls were flying. Many things were
    blocked [?]. Laughing. Two men, two girls. Flashlights
    pass by in the woods over the ridge. The owls were near.
    The dark was...was pressing in on her. Quiet then. Later,
    footsteps. One man passed by. Screams far away. Terrible.
    Terrible. One voice."

    (Cooper) "Man or girl?"

    "Girl. Further up, over the ridge. The owls were silent."

What the log was saying was that there were screams, coming from a single
voice, a girl's. (Probably Laura's.)

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In article <8aGmIg_00VsnIFHm1l@andrew.cmu.edu> bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) writes:
> >In any case, it should now be pretty clear what the story is.  Here's my
> >take on it:
> >
> >Leo murders Laura.  Several days later, Shelly shoots him.  Severely
> >wounded, Leo realizes that his being shot was, at least in part, a
> >consequence of his having murdered Laura.  He travels several days back
> >into the past, to warn Leo-prime not to kill Laura, otherwise Leo-prime
> >will be shot by Shelly-prime.
> >[Leo-naught...Shelly-prime...Laura-prime...]

An excellent interpretation of the facts as we have them.

I hope people realize that these astute observations lead to yet another
filmic reference: "Leo and Laura's Excellent Adventure" which starred Lou
Diamond Phillips as Leo and Moon Unit Zappa as Laura (cameo by Bert Convy
as Dr. Jacoby). Leonard Maltin says: "Two kids dial up a load of coke from
a strange phonebooth, only to end up in the middle of Washington State with
blood on their hands."

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In article <54585@microsoft.UUCP>, adamba@microsoft.UUCP (Adam BARR) writes...

} How about those teasers for the next show!! Cooper visits One-Eyed
} Jacks (was that Truman with him wearing a fake mustache??)

No, Big Ed.

} someone who might be Laura calls Dr. Jacoby (maybe that's a flashback),

No, it's got to be Maddy with a blond wig.

} and Leo (miraculously recovered) takes pot-shots at Bobby and Shelly!!

Miraculously recovered?  Looks to me like he only got shot in the arm.

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In article <May.12.18.22.42.1990.6947@toccata.rutgers.edu> rlr@toccata.rutgers.edu (Rich Rosen) writes:
> >Who says DR. Leydecker's name *is* Bob?   

His buddy, the one-armed man, for one.  "Bob Lydecker's 
about my best friend in the whole world." 

(From memory...may not be an exact quote.)
-- - Barry gingrich%tisl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu OR bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU

Reply-To: clc5_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (C. Coleman)

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      Yesterday at a party a Film grad student remarked to me that he
felt the May 10th episode of TP was loaded with Presidential References.
Although he wasn't sure of their relevance he thought it was one more
thing to set TP apart from the rest. Here are the refs.

1) The lining up of the faces of Cooper, Truman, Hawk, and Doc. Hayward
was a reference to Mt. Rushmore.

2) Jerry Horne says (Not verbatim) "Ich bein all Icelandich, We are all
Icelanders", this is a direct quote from a 60's speech from JFK at the
Berlin wall excecpt he used Berliners rather than Icelanders.

3) When in the woods the four investigators find two log cabins. This was
my own discovery and I would fit it in with the others as a reference to
Abe Lincoln.

4) The finding of a hidden tape in Laura Palmer's bedpost was interpreted
by my friend as a reference to Richard Nixon.

5) This need not be as important but these references may all offer a
connection to the fact that the sherrif's name is Harry S. Truman.

These are the only references that we could find but if anyone has any
additional comments, questions, references or critcisms they are very
much appreciated.

In article <0aGj9ty00WBNE1UEkA@andrew.cmu.edu>, bl0r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Barton Lipman) writes...

} Bobby couldn't have known where Leo was the night Laura was killed. He
} took Shelly at her word that Leo said he was in Butte when he called.
} Otherwise, he wouldn't have taken a chance taking her home the day the
} body was found.  Where did this idea come from?

In article <1990May11.153411.21798@cs.rochester.edu>, ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson) writes...

} For you hockey fans out there, was Michael Ontkean (Harry Truman in Twin
} Peaks) the actor who played the college-boy hockey player in Slapshot
} many moons ago? Sure looks like him.

I don't recall what part he played (I haven't seen the film since it was
first released), but, yes, Michael Ontkean *was* in SLAP SHOT.

He was also one of the stars of the old tv show THE ROOKIES.

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This may be old news for some (many?), but some cable
pay network (either SHO or MAX) played "One of the Guys"
or "One of the Boys" or whatever that [recent] movie is
where the high-school girl pretends she's a boy so she
can enter some contest.  Actually, the movie isn't as
bad as it sounds.  Anyway, chances are it'll be on again, 
perhaps regularly, knowing cable, and any Audrey Horne fans
ought to be informed (reminded) that she's got a major role
in the movie. 

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In article <May.12.18.22.42.1990.6947@toccata.rutgers.edu> rlr@toccata.rutgers.edu (Rich Rosen) writes:
> >In article <1990May12.192140.11710@alembic.acs.com>, csu@alembic.acs.com
> >(Dave Mack) writes:
>> >>In article <3317@darkstar.ucsc.edu> oliver@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Dolphin) writes:
>>> >>>Killer Bob is Bob, The Robert from the Europ version.  The man from
>>> >>>F. B. I. Special Agent Dale Cooper's dream and Mrs. Palmer's vision.
>>> >>>Very likely also Bob Leydecker, the veterinarian.
>>> >>>Bobby didn't kill anyone.  He wouldn't have the guts.
>> >>
>> >>There is no chance that Bob Lydecker is the Killer Bob from the
>> >>dream. First, Lydecker's receptionist looked at the drawing ("the
>> >>eyes should be closer together") and said it wasn't Dr. Lydecker.
>> >>Second, Lydecker is in a coma in Calhoun Memorial Hospital, along
>> >>with Ronette Pulaski. Do you think Truman wouldn't have Hawk or
>> >>Andy wander over to Lydecker's room and take a look at him, just
>> >>to be sure? 
> >
> >Who says DR. Leydecker's name *is* Bob?   He could, hoever, be related to
> >someone named Bob (brother, father, aunt, first cousin with one arm
> >removed...).

Whacha been smokin', Rich?

Episode 4:
COOPER: Do you know someone named Bob?
GERARD: Bob Lydecker's just about my best friend in the world.
TRUMAN: Why were you at the hospital.
GERARD: Bob's in a coma.
TRUMAN (to COOPER): There was a Lydecker who was attacked a couple
of nights ago outside a bar in Low Town.
GERARD: That's Bob.
...
COOPER: Is your friend Bob a doctor?
GERARD: Just about the best darned veterinarian in these parts.

Gerard, of course, is Something Michael Gerard, the one-armed man.
He was given his middle name after his uncle.

Any other questions?

-- Dave Mack

rlr@toccata.rutgers.edu (Rich Rosen) writes:

> > Talk like this has me thinking that maybe what we're really watching is a
> > retelling of The Wicker Man.  Audrey's romp in the hay with Cooper (if
> > consummated) would tend to discredit this notion, but maybe she's trying to
> > save him.

Actually, this would fit in perfectly with "The Wicker Man."
In W.M., there's a scene where the local sex goddess
(played by Britt Ekland, maybe) tries to seduce the policeman,
apparently to test his resolve (to remain a virgin), to make
sure he's a good sacrifice, I suppose.

I think a parallel between W.M. and T.P. is a definite
possibility; the more I watch T.P., the more I'm convinced
that Lynch & Frost are taking references from lots of
different movies.  I suppose we'll see next episode.

I find it difficult to accept, however, that Cooper
could be manipulated in the same way as in W.M.  He
just sees too much of what's going on.  Unless he's
really NOT psychic, and everyone in Twin Peaks just
agrees with everything he says to fool him.

--paul

In article <13380@venera.isi.edu> raveling@isi.edu (Paul Raveling) writes:
> >
> >Nomination for best line:"I want to cook for you!"

Ditto.  Don't you just LOVE Jerry Horne?

My favourite quote of his:  "Did they sign?"  after being told that Leland's
daughter was murdered, and the Noreweigans left.  And after that: "I'm
depressed!"

> >                  I suspect Leo of wrapping corpses so that

I've notice this before:  Why has no one mentined all of the PLASTIC aroud
LEO's house, where he is renovating???  Laura's body was wrapped in PLASTIC!


> >That walk-on of Scott Frost's was nearly a splash-on.  He's
> >the smiling Icelander who listens to Ben's dumb joke about
> >crossing a Norwegian with a Swede as Sylvia dumps her drink
> >on Ben's shoe.


Didn't know of Frost's walk-on.  And who's SYLVIA?

And I agree with many netters.  We have thousands of crows around here, and
that bird was NOT a crow, it was a raven.


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In article <9005112324.AA06246@gaffa.MIT.EDU> gaffa!jsd (Jon Drukman) writes:

> >My favorite quote is when Cooper goes to the Police Station at the
> >beginning and Harry S Truman noteices that he's "looking a little
> >piqued."  To which Cooper says, "There is a large group of insane men
> >staying on my floor at the hotel."

I think the best quote is the whole speach to Dianne at the beginning of the
show.

And don't you mean "PEAKed"???? 

:-)

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In article <00936A1D.3B878740@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU> mschiano@BINAH.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU (Michael Jude Schiano) writes:

> >This may be old news for some (many?), but some cable
> >pay network (either SHO or MAX) played "One of the Guys"
> >or "One of the Boys" or whatever that [recent] movie is
> >where the high-school girl pretends she's a boy so she
> >can enter some contest.  Actually, the movie isn't as
> >bad as it sounds.  Anyway, chances are it'll be on again, 
> >perhaps regularly, knowing cable, and any Audrey Horne fans
> >ought to be informed (reminded) that she's got a major role
> >in the movie. 

Wasn't her.

The girl who played the transvestite teen in that movie is the same who plays
Victor's girlfreind in L.A. Law.

It is NOT the same actress who plays Audrey Horne.

Sean.

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Dear ABC,

If you really don't renew TWIN PEAKS...

Could you pick up a season of INVITATION TO LOVE?

:-)

Was I dreaming, or did I hear whats-her-name (the Sheriff's receptionist)
say that the murder will be resolved a week from the next show?  I think
I heard this on the last commercial-promo.  Can anyone confirm this?
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...stuff about Audrey being in "Just One Of The Guys (1985)" deleted...

Slow down, Sherilyn Fenn fans... she's nowhere to be seen in "Just One
Of The Guys" although the actress in that film looks a bit like her.
But she is in "Two Moon Junction", a fact which I feel compelled to
announce once again here in alt.tv.twin-peaks.

-Evan

In article <UaFnk3i00XcPE0eFdI@andrew.cmu.edu> dk24+@andrew.cmu.edu (David Jason Kyle) writes:

> >the twine was just to make the connection between the vet's and the
     ^^^^^
NOTE:  twine is twin + e, while string is merely strin + g!
Ooo.

> >if, in the dream, there was an aeroplane driving out past the window,

A friend of mine said it looked like a dustbuster.

paul who is not --paul

In article <2413@media-lab.MEDIA.MIT.EDU> I wrote...

> > ...stuff about Audrey not being in "Just One Of The Guys (1985)"

I'm wrong, she does have part in this movie.  But it's not mentioned
anywhere in Leonard Maltin's reference guide.  Oh well.  Also, I just
tried using several methods to cancel my previous article, with no
luck...  kept telling me "You cannot cancel somebody else's article."
I'm pretty confused, for I believe it is my article.

Do you realize there are only two episodes left of Our Favorite Show?  :-(
mo14 tu15 we16 -THR17- fr18 sa19 su20 mo21 tu22 -WED23- then we find out
how Marty and Doc get back to 1985!  :-)

Evan A. Reidell (ereidell@media-lab.media.mit.edu)       I like Stuff.

I'm not at all sure, but I thought that at Jacque's apartment there was a
picture of twin dwarfs hanging on the inside of the kitchen cabinet.  Did
I imagine this?  Is there such a picture?  Is this significant? 

In addition, will some poor soul take pity on me.  I missed the first 3
episodes (pilot through dream episodes) and I'm quite close to offering
my first born in exchange for the tapes.          -Connie

> >                          It's reminds me of Greek
> > myth.  It's been suggested before that Cooper is an alien,
> > and all agents on a Federal level (Cooper, Albert, that guy
> > Cooper talked to on the speaker phone, Diane) that we've
> > seen so far have a bizarre, other-worldly air to them.
> > I don't think it'll turn out that they're all gods
> > but I wonder if Lynch and Frost thought about this
> > when they created the show.

I would guess that Lynch and Frost intended to have the "bizarre, other-worldly
air" of Cooper and company contrast with the "everyday, regular-folks" veneer 
of the Twin Peaks natives, i.e. those who at first appear odd are actually the
representatives of the "normal world", while those who, on the surface, seem
unremarkable are in fact the ones with all sorts of secrets, problems, and just
general strangeness in their lives.

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In article <May.12.18.22.42.1990.6947@toccata.rutgers.edu> rlr@toccata.rutgers.edu (Rich Rosen) writes:

> >In article <1990May12.192140.11710@alembic.acs.com>, csu@alembic.acs.com
> >
> >Who says DR. Leydecker's name *is* Bob?   He could, hoever, be related to

The one-armed man.  "He's just about my best friend in the whole world."
when asked who "Bob" is.

Sherilyn Fenn (Audrey) is also in a movie called _The_Wraith_.

It has been mentioned that Kyle McLachlan is in _The_Hidden_.  So is the
guy who plays Hank.  I must say he looks quite charming with a giant slug
crawling out of his mouth.

I asked someone I know who wears glasses ('cause I don't) why someone
might wear glasses with one pink and one polarised (not blue) lens.
She said that pink had become popular amongst people who were irritated
by flourescent lights, and polarised could also be used for that purpose,
though why they are mixed, I don't know.

3-D glasses: I've never seen a pair of 3-D glasses with real glass
lenses and metal frames.

Color blindness:  As was mentioned by the fellow who gave evidence
for this, the glasses whould have to be goggle like to do any good
with color blindness.  Also, he could see that the Corvette he was
following was red.

I just wish Dr. Jacoby would tell us why he DOES wear glasses like that.

About the blood on the donuts:
I don't think it's blood.  I think Cooper got a little overzeloused
chomping into his morning jelly filled. :-)

paul who is not --paul

This week's "Us" magazine has an interesting cover story on Twin Peaks. 
Among other things, it has Mark Frost saying that (paraphrased) "Even
when the murderer is revealed, the audience won't know the whole
story... There'll still be plenty of cliffhangers."

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In article <11443@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
> >In one case, they identified the brand of twine as being Finley's. The
> >other had not been (as of the 5/3 episode) identified.

I haven't seen anyone postulate it's not identified because it's a
Canadian brand, brought down by Jaques or Bernard.  How about it?
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In the 5/10 episode, when the sheriff opens the cookoo clock and the
chips from one eyed Jack's falls out, the one that Cooper (I think)
picks up has a piece out of it.  It looks like the missing piece is the
same shape as the half heart from Laura's necklace (and maybe was the
piece of plastic found in her stomach).

I guess this just is more evidence to tie her death to the cabin.

John Walsh
JW4L@andrew.cmu.edu

Well, it appears that Madeleine is going to try to help James and
Donna solve the mystery, which wouldn't make sense if "Madeleine" were
really Laura and she had engineered the real Madeleine's death in her
place.  However, how about this theory:

It's already been theorized that the "Day One" entry in the diary
could refer to Laura and Madeleine switching places for kicks.  We
also know that "Laura" was like two different people, on the one hand
doing lots of volunteer work and being very good in general, on the
other hand involved in drug trafficking and prostitution.  Suppose
that *Laura* was actually the good one.  She switched places with
Madeleine on Day One.  Madeleine is wild--she gets involved in all the
shady stuff while pretending to be Laura, stuff which eventually gets
her killed.  Laura (still posing as Madeleine) returns to Twin Peaks
to try to find out what happened to her cousin.

This could fit nicely with much of what we've seen.  Madeleine could
have seduced Leland Palmer, who is now filled with guilt because he
thought he did it with Laura.  The dream Laura said "I feel I know
her" just as "Madeleine" did in the last episode.

In any event, there is no doubt that "Madeleine Ferguson" is a
reference to "Vertigo", since the Kim Novak character was named
Madeleine and the James Stewart character was named Scotty Ferguson.
Also, in the previews for this week we see Madeleine in a blond wig,
being "remade" as Laura, a la "Vertigo".

It could still be a red herring, though.

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In article <13588@csli.Stanford.EDU>, podlozny@csli.Stanford.EDU (Ann Podlozny)
says:
> >
> >OH and the shots of Josie smoking in the dark with that AMAZING
> >music/sound in the background was just too unreal!!!  I KNEW she
> >was going to be a bad guy.  Poor HST.  She's got her hands in
> >too many pots.  I hope nothing happens to Pete!
> >
I'm not convinced yet that Josie is a villian.  Remember, last week she
was spying on Ben and C/Katherine.  Maybe she is setting up Ben in an
effort to save herself and the mill.  She looked none to comfortable when
sleazy Ben kissed her hand, so she may be putting on an act.

                                   Scott Schnackenberg

My observant friend Steve (TM) and I were trying to figure out the
parallels between "Invitation to Love" and the TP story line.  Our
(shaky) consensus is that Invitation to Love is generally a cheesy
foreshadowing device.  We've seen "Invitation to Love" clips three (?)
times:

    1) Leland watches Invitation to Love, starring so-and-so as
        "Emerald and Jade".  In walks Maddie, Laura's "twin cousin." 
        (Possible reference to the old Patty Duke show?)
    2) Lucy watches Invitation to Love, and Emerald (?) is trying to
        seduce Chet to get "The Towers" away from her sister.  Later, we
        see Catherine and Ben scheming to "take away" the mill from
        Catherine's partner.
    3) Shelly watches Invitation to Love and some mean guy is
        beating up Chet.  Later, Hank beats up Leo.

This is a not-entirely-satisfactory interpretation of the meaning of
"Invitation to Love."  In particular, it ignores that in clip 1, we also
see Emerald/Jade's father writing a suicide note.  Also, the parallel
for example 2 is not too clear, and may be wrong.

Does anyone else have any ideas about all this?  Also, I still haven't
seen the pilot.  Did "Invitation to Love" appear in it?

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In article <7324@ur-cc.UUCP> clc5_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (C. Coleman) writes:
> >
> >2) Jerry Horne says (Not verbatim) "Ich bein all Icelandich, We are all
> >Icelanders", this is a direct quote from a 60's speech from JFK at the
> >Berlin wall excecpt he used Berliners rather than Icelanders.

I recall that JFK's German was slightly off, and what he actually said
was "I am a jelly doughnut" instead of "I am a Berliner."  Certainly
fits Twin Peaks!

                     Just testing my sig, sorry.

In article <kaGmq2m00VsnEFHmd9@andrew.cmu.edu>, bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) writes


> >     "Good" characters
> >     don't conspire, nor do they smoke (at least, not in Twin Peaks [this
> >     observation comes from Steve Webster]), nor do they await their
> >     co-conspirators secretly in a dark room.  On the other hand, "good"
> >     characters can conspire for a good cause (James, Donna and
> >     Madeleine; Audrey and Donna).

A minor nit:  Audrey smokes.  We saw her have a couple of drags at her
school locker in episode 0.

Unrelated question:  was the bearded guy in the lingerie anyone we know? 
("He's no Georgia Peach.")  I froze on his picture for awhile but I couldn't
recognize him.

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As best I could make it out, the picture shows two full-sized men with
their bare stomachs painted as faces and half-sized suits worn below
them.  It's a style of foolishness I've seen before on Austin's Sixth
Street Halloween festivities.  That's my best reading of the picture.
I'm pretty sure it wasn't a pair of dwarfs (or is it dwarves?).

When are those darn Japanese going to get that high-definition TV
working? ;-)
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In article <YaHh=9e00Vsn8Mw44s@andrew.cmu.edu> bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) writes:
> >
> >This is a not-entirely-satisfactory interpretation of the meaning of
> >"Invitation to Love."  In particular, it ignores that in clip 1, we also
> >see Emerald/Jade's father writing a suicide note.  Also, the parallel
> >

Perhaps what we are looking at is still forshadowing- Could Laura's
death have been a, well, "Suicide with assistance", i.e. she wanted
to die, and to do it in a sexual way.  What are the odds that the tape
will be a suicide note?  Or at least give some hints that that is what
she intended?
-Dolphin

"I feel like I know her"

In article <gaH95uC00Vsn8Gq2tE@andrew.cmu.edu> bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) writes:

> > According to the on-line Academic American Encyclopedia, the Norse god
> > Odin, whose sacred bird is the raven, is "depicted as tall, bearded, and
> > ONE-EYED, HAVING EXCHANGED HIS OTHER EYE FOR WISDOM."


Hmmm, Odin isn't Norse for "Jack" is it?

Does anyone know to whom one writes in order to beg the renewal of Twin
Peaks for next season?  Phys-mail addresses are good; FAX numbers are
great.

A quick response to this question is needed; according to the "Us"
magazine article I mentioned in an earlier post, a renewal decision will
be made by this Friday.

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In article <7324@ur-cc.UUCP> clc5_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (C. Coleman) writes:

> > 1) The lining up of the faces of Cooper, Truman, Hawk, and Doc. Hayward
> > was a reference to Mt. Rushmore.

It reminded me more of the movie "the Witches of Eastwick"

> > 2) Jerry Horne says (Not verbatim) "Ich bein all Icelandich, We are all
> > Icelanders", this is a direct quote from a 60's speech from JFK at the
> > Berlin wall excecpt he used Berliners rather than Icelanders.

Whoa.  Didn't JFK mix up the pronounciation and say that he was a
JELLY DONUT instead?????

Too weird, man.

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In article <7324@ur-cc.UUCP>, clc5_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (C. Coleman) writes...
> > 
> >2) Jerry Horne says (Not verbatim) "Ich bein all Icelandich, We are all
> >Icelanders", this is a direct quote from a 60's speech from JFK at the
> >Berlin wall excecpt he used Berliners rather than Icelanders.
> > 
Please note that this is a DONUT reference.  JFK screwed up big time in his
speech, because berliner is German for donut, so when he thought that he was
saying "I am a citizen of Berlin." He was really saying "I am a jelly donut." 
I thought this was one of the best puns in the show so far.
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We pine for what is not.                   Only in darkness, light;
Our sincerest laughter                     Only in dying, life --
With some pain is fraught.                 Bright the hawk's flight
-- Horace Rumpole (no doubt                  on the empty sky.
   quoting someone else...)                -- Ursula K. LeGuin
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For TP trivia completists only: according to a kind gentleman on
rec. birds, it's an "immature Varied Thrush."

--Fiona Oceanstar

This may have nothing at all to do with "Twin Peaks" but I find it an
interesting bit of trivia in any event. Over the course of time, what I
am about to say may prove itself to be relevant:

David Lynch has a fascination with the name "Paul". One of the only three
characters in _Eraserhead_ to have Christian names is named Paul. The
others, of course, are Henry Spencer (the title character) and Mary X,
his wife. A line in the dialogue, spoken to Paul, which is basically:

"O.K. Paul!"

is also the name for Lynch's music publishing company, as those owners of
the Julee Cruise album will note.

_The Elephant Man_ doesn't appear to have any characters named Paul. _Dune_,
however, does (although it must be stated that Frank Herbert, who wrote
the book years before David Lynch even started making films, came up with
the name "Paul" for his main character), and that role just happens to
be played by Kyle MacLachlan, now referred to as a "Lynch regular."

_Blue Velvet_ has a character who calls himself "Paul" as well, and lo and
behold it just happens to be played by Jack Nance, who started off as Henry
in _Eraserhead_ and, along with MacLachlan, stars in "Twin Peaks."



Strange, then, that there doesn't appear to be any character named "Paul"
in the series. Am I mistaken? Or is this another revelation soon to come
up? I think it would be a wonderful kick-in-the-head if both Pete and Dale
turned out to be named Paul and of course have some sinister influence
over the town. But somehow there seems to be a good chance that that won't
be terribly likely

                              -Uzer

In article <7272@ur-cc.UUCP> bwri_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Ben Wright) writes:
> >For one thing, Lelenad and Catherine's "Antler Dance" seems pretty
> >popular with most people, but I really thought it was a cheap joke.  This
> >kind of humor is typical of "Three's Company" or any other typical
> >sitcom.  When Catherine started holding her head like Leleand, all I
> >could think of was a similar exercise scene from the "Toxic Avenger."  It
> >was a cheap, predictable, extrememly NON-LYNCH, NON-TWIN PEAKS moment in
> >the show.

I agree with you.  I couldn't believe they did this, and was especially
disappointed when they dwelled on it for so long. 

> >I disliked Cooper's "FBI" jacket.  I understand that it's probably
> >regulation to wear such a uniform when perforing risky entry-type
> >operations, but without the tenchcoat, it ain't my man Cooper.

I also disliked this, but I don't think it is far from truth.  I have
seen several movies (Shoot to Kill comes to mind) where FBI agents
wear similar jackets with what looks like the letters FBI stuck on with
yellow tape, but I assume that they have done their research and know
more about it than I do.  Either that or they use the same wardrobe
company...

Dave Knight

While wandering down a hall here today I stopped to look
at someone's railroad map of the U.S.  The important part
wasn't railroads though -- it's the relative geography of
Twin Peaks, Missoula, and Butte.

Missoula is basically the 1st town Leo would come to if
he drove from Butte toward Twin Peaks.  If Leo called
from Butte the night Laura (?) was murdered, he could have
picked up Madeleine and reached Twin Peaks in time for
at least part of that night's events.

This may be pure smoke, but it's easy to imagine some
odd possibilities, including a Laura/Madeleine swap 
on the night of the murder and Madeleine being involved
with Leo's drug running.

Another possibility I wonder about would be something
like Leo returning because Ben Horne calls and says
"Leo, you gotta help us cover this thing up... Things
got out of hand up at the cabin and now Laura's dead..."
Leo might even relish letting impression go around that
he'd done a killing that he really hadn't.  At least that
should be good for business.  A few clues (maybe the bloody shirt?)
might even a deliberate plant.


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Raveling@isi.edu

In article <2413@media-lab.MEDIA.MIT.EDU> ereidell@media-lab.media.mit.edu (Evan A. Reidell) writes:
> >...stuff about Audrey being in "Just One Of The Guys (1985)" deleted...
> >
> >Slow down, Sherilyn Fenn fans... she's nowhere to be seen in "Just One
> >Of The Guys" although the actress in that film looks a bit like her.
> >But she is in "Two Moon Junction", a fact which I feel compelled to
> >announce once again here in alt.tv.twin-peaks.
> >
> >-Evan

I went and rented "Two Moon Junction" and Sherilyn Fenn is _definately_
in the film.  And she does show a lot of her "grapefruit" and she isn't
a true blonde...she plays one in the film.

What a Babe!

A possible connection between Hank, Josie, and Andrew Packard's death:

1)  Hank was in jail for Manslaughter due to an "accidental" killing.  We
have not been told who he killed.
2)  Andrew Packard died an "accidental" death.

It is possible that Hank was the one who "accidentally" caused Andrew
Packard's death, possibly conspiring with Josie.  That would explain
why she understood the domino and Hank's phone call.  It would also
put her in league with Benjamin Horne.

To confirm this theory:  Does anyone remember how long ago (in Twin Peaks
time) Andrew Packard died?  Does this correspond with how long Hank Jennings
was in prison?

Just a thought...

Rick Fleischman
Developer Channels/APDA
Apple Computer, Inc.
e-mail: rickf@apple.com
AppleLink: FLEISCHMAN@applelink.apple.com

Does anybody know who Greg Fienberg is?  He's listed as a director in the
credits.
Where did he come from. Is he related
 
to people in Toronto, Canada. Is he a Canadian? E-mail
<PENJOHW@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Ed> or bitnet address PENJOHW@YALEVM.BITNET or post
reply

I also found the effusions of grief from Leland Palmer excessive, and in
fact nauseating, and it is hard to believe that the people around him
(fictionally) wouldn' find it so.  I have seen people in similar 
circumstances (as much as everyday life allows!) and have never seen
anything approaching it.

The only possible justification for these displays would be some
subsequent revelation that he isn't totally innocent.
In fact, I would want to hear that he's a reformed ringleader
who while grieving does not have the guts to expose his co-conspirators.
Certainly, as our local TV critic said, Cooper is King Arthur, and there
are few other unquestioned good hearts in this program.  Lynch likes
to take small-town bliss and remove the lid to see the maggots writhe
beneath....

Fyi,

I'm not sure if it was already posted here or not, but .......

The big ruckus of Andrew Dice Clay being on Saturday Night Live (Nora
Dunn and Sinead O'Conner boycotted the show) allowed two different
musical artists to appear in place of O'Conner.  Appearing in the second 
portion of show was a artist (I'm not sure since I just caught it just 
after her introduction) who was singing that 'Twin Peaks' opening theme 
song.  

Pretty haunting love song.

Dan
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In article <2413@media-lab.MEDIA.MIT.EDU> ereidell@media-lab.media.mit.edu (Evan A. Reidell) writes:
> >...stuff about Audrey being in "Just One Of The Guys (1985)" deleted...
> >Slow down, Sherilyn Fenn fans... she's nowhere to be seen in "Just One
> >Of The Guys" although the actress in that film looks a bit like her.

Oh, but she IS in it.  we rented it tonight.  While not the main character,
she has the interesting part of falling for the teen drag protagonist
(not knowing she's really a she, of course)

paul who is not --paul

In article <8228@goofy.Apple.COM> rickf@Apple.COM (Rick Fleischman) writes:
> >1)  Hank was in jail for Manslaughter due to an "accidental" killing.  We
> >have not been told who he killed.

Yes, we have.  Hank, in his parole hearing, mentioned a
vagrant by the side of the road and a car losing control.  Heavily
implies that Hank ran over a homeless dude for kicks and thought
he could get away with it.  Plus, Hank was in jail when Andrew died
(1.5 to 2 years ago, depending on the source), so he probably 
didn't do that one.  He could, I suppose, have had Leo do it....
-- - Barry gingrich%tisl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu OR bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU

> >In article <7272@ur-cc.UUCP> bwri_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Ben Wright) writes:
>> >>For one thing, Lelenad and Catherine's "Antler Dance" seems pretty
>> >>popular with most people, but I really thought it was a cheap joke.  This
>> >>kind of humor is typical of "Three's Company" or any other typical
>> >>sitcom.  When Catherine started holding her head like Leleand, all I
>> >>could think of was a similar exercise scene from the "Toxic Avenger."  It
>> >>was a cheap, predictable, extrememly NON-LYNCH, NON-TWIN PEAKS moment in
>> >>the show.

Well, even if it was a bit painful to watch, it WAS an uncomfortable moment
and Lynch seems to play with the audience's sensabilities.  For example,
the quick back-and-forth camera work in the "family counseling" scene was a
real change of pace compared to the rest of the episode.  It was fast and
seemed a lot more immediate or "action-ful" than a most of the other
scenes, which almost relate a laid-back attitude (like the music).

So, while it is painful for me to watch the scene, I think it _is_ Twin
Peaks-ish in that way.

Michael
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I'm posting this for a friend (Mark Srednicki, alias Dr. Wino [pronounced
wee-no] - srednicki@monte.ucsb.edu) who doesn't seem to be able to post his
idea to the net from his site.  (He is currently taking Remedial Posting at the
RLRCLC... :-)

His insight is thus:  he noticed that in the scene where Ben meets Josie,
Josie's English is impeccable, and no accent is detectable.  Did anyone else
notice this?  If true, it would lend credence to the notion of her not being
quite what she seems.  And if true, she would have had no need for Laura to
tutor her in English.

--
"When you told your secret name, I burst in flame and burned..."
Rich Rosenrlr@toccata.rutgers.edu
--

New theory from a coworker:

Possibly Bobby's father (the military jerk) killed Laura? Possibly
he found out something about Laura and wanted to protect his innocent
son from her evil influence?  In last week's episode, Bobby pointed out
that his dad had killed (in the war, as his dad is careful to explain).
Lynch is known to be anti-military.

Just a thought ...

In article <21040@boulder.Colorado.EDU>, kelley@boulder.Colorado.EDU (Kelley McDonald) writes...

} I saw other people mentioning that Nadine was Blacky without the patch.
} I really don't think so.  

I don't either, and, I suspect, neither does the person who suggested it
in the first place (Rich Rosen?). I believe he was making a joke based
on the "Lucy is the new girl" speculation.

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In article <EaGL2r_00juk0oh1BW@cs.cmu.edu>, Jon.Webb@CS.CMU.EDU writes...

} I saw ``Laura'', the Otto Preminger film that Twin Peaks refers to,
} recently.

So did I (just bought the laserdisc not long ago).

} Here's some of the references:

Look, it *really* is rather uncool to reveal the identity of the killer
without including a spoiler warning. Especially when this revelation is
halfway down the first screen's worth of article. I'm adding a form feed
here.

} The killer in ``Laura'' is Waldo Lydecker -- Cooper says ``The bird who
} killed Laura Palmer is a client of this clinic.''   The bird turns out
} to be named Waldo, the clinic Lydecker.

One other name link: the artist who painted Laura's portrait in the film
was named Jacoby (though it was pronounced "Jack'-o-bee"), like the TP
psychiatrist (pronounced "Ja-ko'-bee"). 

} The detective in ``Laura'' finds and reads Laura's diary; her maid is
} terribly upset by this invasion of her privacy; remember Truman's
} surprise that Cooper would just break open the diary?

Except that I don't think that Harry was bothered by Coop *opening* the
diary with regard to invading Laura's privacy. After all, why else did
they bring the diary along to the station if not to look through it for
clues?  Harry was surprised by the fact that Coop just broke open the
diary instead of waiting until the key was found. On the other hand,
Leland Palmer was a bit upset about the police taking the diary -- he
was obviously bothered by the implicit invasion of Laura's privacy.

} In ``Laura'' the dead woman is not related to the real Laura; she's in
} Laura's apartment with their common lover (played by a suave young
} Vincent Price), and when she answers the door the killer shoots her
} close up with a shotgun in the dark, not recognizing her.  Her mangled
} body is identified incorrectly by the maid.  But the police later figure
} out who she really was.  There's none of the identical cousin stuff from
} ``Twin Peaks''.

The identification is also a different situation than in TWIN PEAKS. As
you say, in LAURA, the face was blown away, and it was just *assumed*
that it was Laura Hunt. In TWIN PEAKS, the body is quite "whole", and
everyone can see that it's Laura.

} In ``Laura'' the first person the detective encounters is Waldo Lydecker,
} just as Cooper encountered Truman first. I consider this something of
} a clue, pointing towards Truman's (and Josie`s) involvement in Laura
} Palmer's murder. Lydecker travels around with the detective; he's a
} suspect, but the detective lets him come along to observe him.

But there's a big difference between Waldo Lydecker and Harry Truman.
Lydecker was conceited enough to believe that he was the intellectual
superior to Detective McPherson, and thus he could not imagine that
McPherson would ever figure out that he was the perp. Truman can easily
see that Cooper is a phenomenally intuitive detective, and has on a
few occasions expressed great surprise at Coop's Holmesian abilities.
I can't imagine that if Truman has a part in the murder that he could
believe that Coop wouldn't find him out.

} The killer in ``Laura'' is Laura`s mentor, who helps her succeed in
} advertising.  He's jealous of her plans to marry her lover.

Not so much jealous (though, yes, he does have romantic inclinations of
his own) as feeling that she's too good for anyone else but him. He felt
that he put in a lot of work making Laura what she was, and he didn't
want to see it "wasted" on riff-raff.

TWIN PEAKS has a few interesting allusions to LAURA, but I suspect that
that's all they are -- allusions -- and not meant to be clues to the
mystery at hand.

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In article <2413@media-lab.MEDIA.MIT.EDU>, ereidell@media-lab.MEDIA.MIT.EDU (Evan A. Reidell) writes...

} ....stuff about Audrey being in "Just One Of The Guys (1985)" deleted...

} Slow down, Sherilyn Fenn fans... she's nowhere to be seen in "Just One
} Of The Guys" although the actress in that film looks a bit like her.
} But she is in "Two Moon Junction", a fact which I feel compelled to
} announce once again here in alt.tv.twin-peaks.

That's funny. In the printed matter on the back of the laserdisc for
TWO MOON JUNCTION, it quite clearly states that Sherilyn Fenn was in
two other movies, one of them being JUST ONE OF THE GUYS (the other
being THE WILD LIFE). So, I took a look at the disc for JUST ONE OF
THE GUYS, and it lists Fenn in the cast, though the impression I got
was that it was a minor role, not a major one.

-- "I never use a pen. I write with a goose quill dipped in venom." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <1990May14.014410.20981@alembic.acs.com>, csu@alembic.acs.com
(Dave Mack) writes:
}>>There is no chance that Bob Lydecker is the Killer Bob from the
}>>dream. First, Lydecker's receptionist looked at the drawing ("the
}>>eyes should be closer together") and said it wasn't Dr. Lydecker.
}>>Second, Lydecker is in a coma in Calhoun Memorial Hospital, 
}>
}>Who says DR. Leydecker's name *is* Bob?   He could, hoever, be related to
}>someone named Bob (brother, father, aunt, first cousin with one arm
}>removed...).
}
} Whacha been smokin', Rich?
}
} COOPER: Do you know someone named Bob?
} GERARD: Bob Lydecker's just about my best friend in the world.
} TRUMAN: Why were you at the hospital.
} GERARD: Bob's in a coma.
} TRUMAN (to COOPER): There was a Lydecker who was attacked a couple
} of nights ago outside a bar in Low Town.
} GERARD: That's Bob.
} COOPER: Is your friend Bob a doctor?
} GERARD: Just about the best darned veterinarian in these parts.
} 
} Any other questions?

OK, OK, OK, I forgot to spend all day rewatching that episode, sorry. :-)

However...

Bob could still be Gerard's friend, who *is* a veterinarian, who *does* live
around those parts, but is NOT the Dr. Lydecker who runs the clinic.  (As I
said, brother, father, etc.)  A friend of mine just said to me last night that
he recalled the scene where the receptionist at the clinic is aksed to identify
the man in the picture.  According to his recollection, her answer is cut
short, or she is not allowed to finish, and/or her inflection indicated
something on the order of "No, that's not *Dr.* Lydecker..." [but... ???].

It's little things like that, you know.
--
"Never assume, because when you do..."
Rich Rosenrlr@toccata.rutgers.edu
-- Memory fault -- core dumped

> > Nomination for best line:"I want to cook for you!"

Recall also the scene with Shelley and Bobby, in which they pretend that Leo
has just walked in. Shelley has told Bobby that Leo can't stand her cooking, so
Bobby pretends to order Leo to cook for them.

Food and death...
--
"When you told your secret name, I burst in flames and burned..."
Rich Rosenrlr@toccata.rutgers.edu
-- Memory fault -- core dumped

Raising this question because people have often commented in this file
about Lynch and Frost--

If you were directing TP (or I suppose any similar show) would you do
things differently if you expected people would tape your show and
analyze it in detail later?

It seems that some TP fans watch for the general effect, some tape and
review in detail, some do a mix.  Do people think that Lynch and Frost
have the tapers in mind at all?  

I don't know enough about their work to have an opinion; however, I
might leave "certain clues" for the tapers--sort of a hidden extra.

Well, as some of you may have seen, there is a minorly interesting
article in today's USA Today, the MacDonald of newspapers.  If you're
too embarrassed to go out and buy it, here is the main text.  I
apologise for the awful puns, but they're in favour with these guys.

Some micro-spoilers.

USA Today, Tuesday, May 15.

"The threads of a mystery--On 'Peaks' clothes send a message."

Do clothes make the man? Or woman?  Maybe, in "Twin Peaks" case.
As ABC's unconventional cult hit winds down, everyone is desparately
searching for insights into the people and events.  Could there be some
in the characters' closets?

"Twin Peaks" costuming is totally psychological--not a fashion show,"
says series costume designer Sara Markowitz.  "And there are lots of
quirky things about the characters' clothing that gives hints as to
who they really are."

Will clothes tell us who killed Laura Palmer?  Maybe.  Maybe not.
But there's significance in everything everyone wears:

-Trucker/dealer/wifebeater Leo Johnson: Markowitz gave him a "down and
dirty look with a slimy side" with washed silk shirts.  He always wears
aqua suede boots.  I wanted him to look like he wears too much cologne."

-Lolita-on-acid Audrey Horne: "She wears Catholic schoolgirl skirts and
saddle shoes and very tight, seductive sweaters.  [There's an accom-
panying colour picture of her in just such a get up ;)]  She desparately
wants to be daddy's little girl.  She can't get his love, so goes for
negative attention."

--Beautiful mill mistress (with dead husband and sheriff lover) Josie
Packard: She's "the precious gem at the mill--one of the only women
in town who dresses as if she shops outside Twin Peaks.  But I wonder
if she had anything to do with her husband's death."  [Also has a pic]

-Laura's barking boyfriend, Bobby Briggs: "He's not the bad guy everyone
thinks he is."  Dressed defensively in combat pants and paratrooper boots.
"That's his military father's influence.  In the fourth episode, he wore
a bowling shirt that read 'Guilty One Plus Four' on the back."  [Has a pic]

-Tough-boy-next-door James Hurley: "He has a biker exterior--leather
jacket and Harley boots--but underneath he's soft, flannel shirts
and sweaters."

-Nutty psychiatrist Dr Jacoby: "He's my favorite, the kinda guy who would
wear a kilt.  He wears a Hawaiian lab coat and vintage knickers and
argyle socks for the golf-ball spitting scene.  His ties are always
strange--hunting scenes, fish."  One piece of neckwear that will make
sense this week: "The tie with a man in a phonebooth on it."
What's with his bi-colored specs?  "That's so his analytical brain
can look out through the rosy lens; his emotional side can look out
through the cool blue side."  And the earplugs?  "He wore earplugs
off duty because he listens to people's problems all day at work."
[Also has a pic].

Not too much here, except for Jacoby, which tells us why he wears
those glasses.  Looks like the colour-blindness theory is shot.
And I don't know what to make of the info about Bobby's shirt,
which I couldn't read on the show (except for the front, which
said "Dick," as others have noted).  Any ideas?  Surely they
wouldn't be *that* obvious (guilty one...)?

--                                                      ele@psuvm.psu.edu
jeremy..                                        crampton@yon.geog.psu.edu

In article <JYM.90May11141752@eris.berkeley.edu> jym@eris.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:
> >.-.
> >|T|hey look like 3-D glasses to me.  This is a Very Important Clue
> >`-' (TM), especially in this newgroups.  Obviously, it's an indic-
> >    ation that Jacoby reads 3-D comic books.  Figure out which
> >    comic books, solve the crime.  Our job is simple.
> >    <_Jym_>

Quoting an article in USA Today on 5/15, which talks about clothing
styles used on the show (and how they subtly provide hints on the real
personas of the TP characters), Sara Markowitz, Twin Peaks' costume designer
says of Jacoby's glasses:

"That's so his analytical brain can look out through the rosy
lens; his emotional side can look through the cool blue side."

She goes on further to talk about the earplugs: 

"He wore earplugs off duty because he listens to people's 
problems all day at work."

There was also a separate article on the prognosis of some current shows for
their chances of renewal. The USA Today tv critic listed Twin Peaks in
the "Winners" category (along with The Simpsons -but we all knew that), and
gave Twin Peaks a score of 9.5 out of 10 (with 10 meaning the highest chances
for a show being renewed).

"when you told your secret name I burst in flame........."

user@darkside.com (A Modem User) writes:
> >David Lynch has a fascination with the name "Paul"
> >...
> >Strange, then, that there doesn't appear to be any character named "Paul"
> >in the series. Am I mistaken? Or is this another revelation soon to come
> >up?

You figured it out!  I killed Laura Palmer!  And I'm
glad I did it!  HA HA HA HA HA HAAA!

--paul

In article <264F2F7E.376D@deneva.trw.com>, dknight@elm.sdd.trw.com (David B. Knight) writes:
> > 
> > I also disliked this, but I don't think it is far from truth.  I have
> > seen several movies (Shoot to Kill comes to mind) where FBI agents
> > wear similar jackets with what looks like the letters FBI stuck on with
> > yellow tape, but I assume that they have done their research and know
> > more about it than I do.  Either that or they use the same wardrobe
> > company...

The jacket is standard-issue for field agents ("battle jacket" for
want of a better term) just like SWAT team members wear jackets with
the acronym SWAT emblazoned on the back, big-city cops wear jackets
with POLICE emblazoned on them, etc.  These are worn in the event of
a shootout to prevent an agent from being shot by a fellow officer.
They also make agents & officers easily identifiable from the air
(helicopter support).

Some of you will probably argue that these jackets also make the
officers and field agents easily recognized by criminals.  But it's
pretty obvious that armed criminals intent on escape will shoot at
anything that moves, so being identifiable won't hurt.

Yo!  Dig what bwri_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Ben Wright) sez:
-
-For one thing, Lelenad and Catherine's "Antler Dance" seems pretty
-popular with most people, but I really thought it was a cheap joke.  This
-kind of humor is typical of "Three's Company" or any other typical
-sitcom.  When Catherine started holding her head like Leleand, all I
-could think of was a similar exercise scene from the "Toxic Avenger."  It
-was a cheap, predictable, extrememly NON-LYNCH, NON-TWIN PEAKS moment in
-the show.

Well, maybe it was predictable if you've seen "Toxic Avenger".  And while
I didn't find it funny, I did find it in character.

-I disliked Cooper's "FBI" jacket.  I understand that it's probably
-regulation to wear such a uniform when perforing risky entry-type
-operations, but without the tenchcoat, it ain't my man Cooper.

All things considered, it was probably the most appropriate jacket he 
had for prolonged hiking in the woods.  It's not like he's been trying
to cover up his prescence in town, and he didn't really plan on having
not to be seen.  I'm willing to bet that if you were to go where the FBI
is doing some sort of investigation, you'll see a lot of people who are
advertising the fact that they're FBI agents.  And probably a lot of 
people who aren't doing so...

Wondering about next week...
Could that stuff that drips on the donuts be jelly filling?

-- David Bedno aka dave@sco.COM: Speaking from but not for SCO. "...someday when you least expect / I'll be singing in your hair." - Adrian Belew, "Small World"

In article <8228@goofy.Apple.COM> rickf@Apple.COM (Rick Fleischman) writes:
> >A possible connection between Hank, Josie, and Andrew Packard's death:

> >1)  Hank was in jail for Manslaughter due to an "accidental" killing.  We
> >have not been told who he killed.
> >2)  Andrew Packard died an "accidental" death.

> >It is possible that Hank was the one who "accidentally" caused Andrew
> >Packard's death, possibly conspiring with Josie.  That would explain
> >why she understood the domino and Hank's phone call.  It would also
> >put her in league with Benjamin Horne.

Nope.  Hank has been in jail what, six years??? Something like that?  

Packard died a year or a year and a half ago, depending on who you listen to.

THis has all be hashed out before.  It's the first thing I thought of when the
double-three (another twin!) domino appeared at Josie's house.  But folks here
have already cleared that up.

And you're not the first to say you don't know who Leo killed, or how.

He told the story at his parole hearing.  A car goes out of control, a vagrant
nobody knows ends up dead.  I don't know why fate dealt me this hand.  etc...

Sean.


-- "And remember, Evil will always prevail because Good is dumb!" - Dark Helmet "Smoke 'em if ya got 'em." - Dark Helmet / Elliot Ness / Colonel Hogan / Judge Harry Stone / Christine Sullivan, public defender.

In article <1990May15.222339.14179@stretch.cs.mun.ca> I write:

> >And you're not the first to say you don't know who Leo killed, or how.
                                                    ^^^

Oooooops!  I meant Hank, of course.

Sean.


-- "And remember, Evil will always prevail because Good is dumb!" - Dark Helmet "Smoke 'em if ya got 'em." - Dark Helmet / Elliot Ness / Colonel Hogan / Judge Harry Stone / Christine Sullivan, public defender.

In article <1990May14.023941.7374@stretch.cs.mun.ca>,
sean1@stretch.cs.mun.ca (Sean Huxter) writes:
> > In article <13380@venera.isi.edu> raveling@isi.edu (Paul Raveling) writes:
> > 
>> > >That walk-on of Scott Frost's was nearly a splash-on.  He's
>> > >the smiling Icelander who listens to Ben's dumb joke about
>> > >crossing a Norwegian with a Swede as Sylvia dumps her drink
>> > >on Ben's shoe.
> > 
> > 
> > Didn't know of Frost's walk-on.  And who's SYLVIA?

Oops -- That's Catherine, of course.  This thing get so confusing
I'm lucky to remember who ANYONE is.


----------------
I.M. Befuddled
Raveling@isi.edu

could someone e-mail (or post) a list of the actors and actresses on
the show?

much appreciated...

     byron

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"the shrink did it.  i know he did.  i just know it."- chris hanlon

The following transmitted for a friend (pathman):

I have a question - does anyone out there know what
the plot was to the movie "One Eye'd Jacks"?  This was
a Brando film, I think, and was set in California.  Lynch
has demonstrated an interest in exploiting several old
films and perhaps the plot of this movie has something
to do with Twin Peaks.  Just an idea...

-- David A. Adler University of Washington Pathology SM-30 Seattle, WA 98195

In article <11163@sun.udel.edu> cbrooks@sun.udel.edu (Chris Brooks) writes:
> >[...] If you were directing TP [...] would you do things differently if you 
> >expected people would tape your show and analyze it in detail later?
> >
> >[...] I might leave "certain clues" for the tapers--sort of a hidden extra.

I am not a Lynch expert either, but several of his earlier films are cult 
classics which fans view many times.  Lynch knows this, and probably aspires
to "cult" status for TP, also.  IMHO, the plot is so layered and clues so
minute (eye patch on peasant figurine on Nadine's mantle, etc...) that no one
could be expected to get any benefit (or enjoyment) from them without
repetitive viewing.
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In article <90134.112659SCSGC@CUNYVM.BITNET> SCSGC@CUNYVM writes:
> >In article <13588@csli.Stanford.EDU>, podlozny@csli.Stanford.EDU (Ann Podlozny)
> >says:
>> >>
>> >>OH and the shots of Josie smoking in the dark with that AMAZING
>> >>music/sound in the background was just too unreal!!!  I KNEW she
>> >>was going to be a bad guy.  Poor HST.  She's got her hands in
>> >>too many pots.  I hope nothing happens to Pete!
>> >>
> >I'm not convinced yet that Josie is a villian.  Remember, last week she
> >was spying on Ben and C/Katherine.  Maybe she is setting up Ben in an
> >effort to save herself and the mill.  She looked none to comfortable when
> >sleazy Ben kissed her hand, so she may be putting on an act.
> >
> >                                   Scott Schnackenberg

I think Ben is trying to have it both ways. He wants the land, Josie knows
he is in cahouts with Catherine, and he needs an alibi (excuse). What better
way to implicate Catherine in the burning of the Mill and screw up the hold
she (Catherine) would have on him by telling Josie what "Catherine" was
trying to do. 

I think he doesn't want to be Catherine's lover after he gets the land and
this would be a good way to get rid of her. Perhaps he will get Catherine
to go to the Mill that night to rub it in to Josie that she is losing  it
and Leo will kill her in the fire.


-- Bruce Bernhardt bernhard@vlsi.cs.umn.edu University of Minnesota 612/626-7162

In article <May.15.08.56.21.1990.1614@toccata.rutgers.edu> rlr@toccata.rutgers.edu (Rich Rosen) writes:
> >In article <1990May14.014410.20981@alembic.acs.com>, csu@alembic.acs.com
> >(Dave Mack) writes:
> >} COOPER: Do you know someone named Bob?
> >} GERARD: Bob Lydecker's just about my best friend in the world.
> >} TRUMAN: Why were you at the hospital.
> >} GERARD: Bob's in a coma.
> >} TRUMAN (to COOPER): There was a Lydecker who was attacked a couple
> >} of nights ago outside a bar in Low Town.
> >} GERARD: That's Bob.
> >} COOPER: Is your friend Bob a doctor?
> >} GERARD: Just about the best darned veterinarian in these parts.
> >} 
> >} Any other questions?
> >
> >OK, OK, OK, I forgot to spend all day rewatching that episode, sorry. :-)
> >
> >However...
> >
> >Bob could still be Gerard's friend, who *is* a veterinarian, who *does* live
> >around those parts, but is NOT the Dr. Lydecker who runs the clinic.  (As I
> >said, brother, father, etc.)  A friend of mine just said to me last night that
> >he recalled the scene where the receptionist at the clinic is aksed to identify
> >the man in the picture.  According to his recollection, her answer is cut
> >short, or she is not allowed to finish, and/or her inflection indicated
> >something on the order of "No, that's not *Dr.* Lydecker..." [but... ???].

No, she's very definite about it. 
Lydecker Clinic receptionist examines sketch of Killer Bob.
RECEPTIONIST:"No, that's not Dr. Lydecker."
(Hands sketch back to Cooper.)
COOPER:"Does this clinic treat birds?"
RECEPTIONIST:"Yes, of course."

> >It's little things like that, you know.

So what you're saying is, there are two veterinarians named Bob Lydecker
in Twin Peaks? And the other one, the one who isn't in a coma, is 
Killer Bob Lydecker? Yow, now all we need is the beautiful amnesiac
heiress who witnessed the whole thing but can't remember it and we'll
be all set.

I doubt it. There were four people (that we saw) in Cooper's dream
Two of them, Cooper had seen before: Mike the One-Armed Man and
Laura Palmer. The other two he hadn't: the dancing dwarf and Killer
Bob. My guess is that the dwarf symbolizes Laura's inner persona,
while the beautiful cousin is the exterior persona. By symmetry,
Killer Bob represents Mike Gerard's inner persona, but that seems
a little too easy.

-- Dave Mack

Many people have commented on dental records as a means of
identifying bodies.  I believe that dental records (presumably
xrays, and those little maps that dentists fill out when they
put in a filling) are only useful if someone has had dental work
performed.

Laura was (is?) only eighteen years old.  It is not unknown for
eighteen year-olds to have perfect teeth.

How about this "occurence" of Paul:
 
Paul is dead
Paul Merd
Palmer  (, Laura)

In article <May.11.14.18.38.1990.6218@toccata.rutgers.edu> rlr@toccata.rutgers.edu (Rich Rosen) writes:

> >On the other hand, Bobby might
> >have no idea what Laura's real motives are at all, or (heaven forbid) he may be
> >lying about the whole thing to score points with the shrink.  I know it can be
> >argued that he seemed sincerely devastated at Jacoby's disclosure of his
> >heretofore unknown (to Bobby) knowledge of Laura's character

Well, it's gotta be a shock to realize that someone else knows so much about
you...especially the part about the first time they (Bobby and Laura) made love;
    Jacoby: Did you cry?
    Bobby:  Did I what?
    Jacoby: And did she laugh at you?
Whoa...sounds like a hell of a first time to me!  Wonder what its significance
is...

-Kristy

In article <3334@darkstar.ucsc.edu> oliver@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Dolphin) writes:
> >
> >Or, he is retired.  Most likely, I think.  But is also a little Toing
> >in the head.  But so is "Jane, His wife" aka Mrs. Cleaver...
> >-Dolphin

Well...  I have NEVER seen a retired Air Force officer wear his uniform
every day.
Even in Twin Peaks that would seem a little... weird.

He only seems to appear at night or on special occaisions so it would be
reasonable to assume that he commutes to and from somewhere.

As to what somewhere is, I dunno.  It could be a missle silo (not) or more
likely an Early Warning (DEW) radar station of some sort.

-G

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In article <5440@scorn.sco.COM> dave@sco.COM (The Cat in the Hat) writes:

Long discussion of how Maddie's body couldn't have been mistaken for Laura
Palmer deleted.

> >
> >Not just dental records.  Fingerprints.  Hair color.  Eye color.  Height.
> >Bone structure.  Madeline and Laura were only *cousins*.  They weren't 
> >identical twins.  I don't care how much Lynch and company want to run
> >this idea into the ground, but I cannot believe that they look so much
> >alike that a non-grief stricken person would see the two as identical.
> >
> >Albert would have had her medical records simply so he could compare 
> >Laura's final state of health (other than being dead) to her normal one.
> >
> >Madeline is *not* Laura; it'd be really cheap if she was.
> >

What if the records were tampered with??  After all, it's a small town and
her identity seems to be based on the word of a one doctor who "brought her
into the world" himself.  He could have switched the records easily.

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I just saw a promo for Twin Peaks on the May 15 "thirtysomething".  I
had to look at the tape a couple times to figure this out.  Audrey Horne
(in the May 17 episode, I presume) will be going to One-Eyed Jack's,
apparently for the purpose of securing a position.  (The same position
she had in Cooper's room. (-:)  It looks like one of the skills she'll
be demonstrating to Blackie is her ability to tie a knot in a cherry
stem using only her tongue.
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In article <5720@scorn.sco.COM> dave@sco.COM (The Cat in the Hat) writes:
> >
> >Wondering about next week...
> >Could that stuff that drips on the donuts be jelly filling?

Spoiler (I saw the next episode tonight!!)

are you sure

It's *most* definitely blood. 

The murder takes place in the police station.

Long faces all around.

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I thought that I'd posted this already, but I haven't seen it pop back
up here. Apologies if this is a duplicate.

05 Feb (Sunday) or
06 Feb (Monday)
   -- "Day One" (entry in Laura's diary). Day One of what? Laura and
      James' relationship is my guess. During Cooper's questioning of
      James, he asked what happened on 2/5, and James flashed back on
      the time he gave Laura the locket. On the other hand, when Cooper
      is looking at this page in the diary, the date at the top of the
      page says February 6. Cooper did say to Diane that he had flipped
      back 18 days to "Day One". That could be 18 days from 2/23 (the
      last entry in the diary), yielding the 5th, or from 2/24 (the day
      he was looking at it), yielding the 6th.

12 Feb (Sunday)
   -- The picnic (James told Cooper that it was "two Sundays ago").

23 Feb (Thursday)

   05:00 PM (Josie to Cooper and Truman)
   -- Laura arrives at Josie Packard's for Josie's English lessons.
      Josie says that Laura left an hour later.

   Sometime after dinner
   -- Last entry in Laura's diary: "Nervous about meeting J. tonight."
      (After dinner because she remarks about having asparagus for
      dinner again.)

   09:00-9:30
   -- Laura returns home from Bobby's house. (Sarah Palmer tells Truman
      that she last saw Laura when she got home about 9:00. Bobby answers
      yes when Cooper asks him, "She was studying at your house until
      about 9:30. Isn't that right?")

   09:30
   -- Laura snuck out of her house (James to Cooper).

   12:30
   -- Laura jumps off James' bike and runs off (James to Cooper).

   12:00-04:00 (AM)
   -- Estimated time of Laura's death according to the preliminary autopsy.

24 Feb (Friday)  [Episode #0 (pilot) - 4/8]

   "Just after dawn" (Harry to Bobby)
   -- Pete Martell finds Laura's body.
   -- Ben and Leland have meeting with Norwegians.
   -- Bobby takes Shelly home, then goes to school and is arrested.

   Mid-morning(?)
   -- Ronnette announced as missing, then found wandering along tracks.
   -- Nadine sends Big Ed off to get the drapes ("They said those drapes
      would be ready by 10.")

   11:30 (Cooper to Diane)
   -- Cooper enters Twin Peaks.

   Noon/early afternoon
   -- Cooper & Truman check on Ronnette, then Laura.
   -- C&T look through Laura's diary.
   -- Andy and team find the train car.
   -- C&T question Bobby, then Donna.

   04:00 (approx)
   -- "The Norwegians are leaving!" (one of Ben's employees tells concierge
      that Ben would be back at 4:00 for the final signing of the deal with
      the Norwegians, and Ben arrives as the Norwegians are leaving)

   04:10 (Cooper to Diane)
   -- C&T at the train car.

   Early evening
   -- Town meeting where Cooper addresses the community leaders.

   09:30 (approx)
   -- Donna sneaks out to meet James at the Roadhouse. Big Ed to meet Norma
      there as well. Fight breaks out, Joey Paulsen takes Donna to meet
      James. J&D bury the locket. James is arrested.

   12:28 AM (Cooper to Diane)
   -- Cooper knocks off for the night. Harry goes to see Josie. Locket is
      dug up by Person Unknown

25 Feb (Saturday)  [Episode #1 - 4/12]

   06:18 (Cooper to Diane)
   -- Cooper is up and goes to breakfast, where he meets Audrey.

   Early to mid-morning
   -- C&T get autopsy results from Dr. Hayward.
   -- Shelly discovers Leo's shirt is soaked with blood just before going
      to work.
   -- C&T question James.
   -- Mike & Bobby talk in jail cell (Leo called Mike "yesterday" and Bobby
      met with Leo "the night Laura died").
   -- Cooper gets call from Albert, Harry & Ed discuss the "stakeout".
   -- James released into Ed's custody, Mike and Bobby released.

   "Just barely morning" (Pete to Josie)
   -- C&T talk to Josie.
   -- Catherine & Ben have a rendezvous.

   Afternoon
   -- Donna visits Palmers and Sarah has vision of Killer Bob.

   Late afternoon/early evening (exterior shot is dark)
   -- Hawk questions Pulaskis, spots One-Armed Man.
   -- Bobby and Major Briggs have words over dinner
   -- C&T encounter Log Lady at RR.

   Later in evening
   -- Shelly gets home, gets beaten by Leo.
   -- James has dinner at Haywards'.
   -- Jacoby listens to tape from Laura, takes out the half of the locket
      buried by James & Donna.

   Evening (continued)  [Episode #2 - 4/19]
   -- Jerry Horne gets back from Paris. He and Ben go to One-Eyed Jack's.

   Midnight (clock at Haywards')
   -- James & Donna have their heart-to-heart.
   -- Hawk calls Cooper.
   -- Audrey slips note under Cooper's door.
   -- Bobby & Mike meet with Leo in the woods.

26 Feb (Sunday)  [still Episode #2]

   Morning
   -- Ed drops grease on Nadine's drape runners. Nadine's arms bend back.
   -- Cooper teaches Harry, Hawk, Andy, & Lucy about Tibet.
   -- Shelly turns off "Invitation to Love" (a soap opera on Sunday
      morning?!) and Bobby comes visiting.

   Late morning (after church)
   -- Haywards meet Audrey in the RR.

   Afternoon ("Are we going to have to stand here all afternoon?" Albert
              to Lucy)
   -- Albert and team arrives

   Night
   -- Nadine ecstatic about her now-silent runners.
   -- Pete & Catherine talk. Pete sneaks safe key to Josie.
   -- Josie finds two ledgers in safe.
   -- Leland has breakdown to the strains of Glen Miller.
   -- Cooper dreams of dancing dwarves and doppelgangers.

27 Feb (Monday)  [Episode #3 - 4/26]

   07:15 (Cooper to Diane)
   -- Cooper meets with Audrey over breakfast, then tells Harry & Lucy
      about his dream.

   Mid to late morning(?)
   -- Cousin Madeleine arrives.
   -- Norma is told of Hank's pending parole.
   -- C&T talk to Leo.
   -- Bobby and father have words again.

   12:27 (Cooper to Diane)
   -- C&T leave for funeral after listening to Albert's autopsy report.
   -- Ed & Nadine have quiet moment, James declines to go to funeral.
   -- Audrey checks on her family through a peephole.

   Early afternoon
   -- Laura's funeral. James and Bobby fight. Leland freaks out.

   Evening
   -- Shelly demonstrates Leland's coffin ride.
   -- Cooper meets the Bookhouse Boys, and they question Bernard Renault
      at the Bookhouse.
   -- Jacques calls Leo for help.
   -- Catherine eavesdrops on Josie & Harry. Josie shows Harry the safe,
      but one of the ledgers is missing -- Catherine has the other one.
   -- Cooper meets Jacoby at the cemetary, then meets Hawk at the Roadhouse.
      The two of them take a drunken Leland home.

28 Feb (Tuesday)  [Episode #4 - 5/3]

   Day (there's no convenient times of day mentioned to assign to events)
   -- Andy sketches Killer Bob from Sarah Palmer's description. Sarah
      then describes her vision of a someone digging up the necklace.
   -- Cooper questions Jacoby
   -- Hawk tracks down the One-Armed Man to Timber Falls Motel, where at
      the same time, Ben and Catherine are having a rendezvous. Josie is
      there, staking out B&C.
   -- Cooper and the boys arrive and question Mike Gerard (One-Armed Man).
   -- Bernard Renault makes bail [not shown, but mentioned later].
   -- Audrey gets Donna to agree to help her solve the mystery of Laura's
      murder.
   -- Norma goes to husband Hank's parole meeting.
   -- Cooper's and the boys visit the Lydecker Clinic and confiscate files.
   -- Bobby has rendezvous with Shelly, and she gives him Leo's bloody shirt.
   -- Cooper, Harry, Hawk, and Andy practice in the shooting range.

   Late afternoon/early evening
   -- James runs into Madeleine Ferguson at the RR diner.
   -- Norma gets a call from the prison -- Hank is being paroled.
   -- Ben talks to Jerry about some Icelanders, and then Audrey talks to
      Ben about learning the family business by starting work at the
      department store.
   -- A fax arrives from Albert with a reconstruction of the plastic piece
      found in Laura's stomach. Andy comes across the file on Waldo, a
      mynah bird belonging to Jacques Renault. The cops race to Jacques
      apartment. They find Leo's bloody shirt there, planted by Bobby.

   Evening
   -- Ben meets Leo by the river and they make plans about setting fire
      to the Mill. Bernard Renault's body is lying on the ground; Leo
      confesses to killing him, and reports that frere Jacques is hiding
      out in Canada.
   -- James and Donna go to where they buried the necklace and find it
      missing.
   -- Pete chats with Josie, then retires. She gets call from Hank Jennings.

01 Mar (Wednesday)  [Episode #5 - 5/10]

   04:28 (Cooper to Diane)
   -- Cooper is woken up by singing Icelanders.

   Day (there's no convenient times of day mentioned to assign to events)
   -- Cooper meets Audrey in the hotel restaurant
   -- Ben & Jerry discuss the Sons of Odin.
   -- Coop meets Harry & Andy at Jacques Renault's place. The blood on Leo's
      shirt is determined to be blood-type AB-negative, which does not match
      Laura's, though it does match Jacques'.
   -- Bobby has breakfast at Shelly's; Andy comes looking for Leo; Leo calls.
   -- Norma drops by Big Ed's and they agree to cool their relationship for
      a while.
   -- Audrey has her job interview at daddy's store.
   -- James and Donna meet.
   -- Coop discovers Laura's ad in FLESH WORLD.
   -- Madeleine meets with James & Donna at the RR and agrees to help them.
   -- Hank, now out on parole, shows up at the RR to start work.
   -- The Briggs family goes to see Dr. Jacoby.
   -- Coop, Harry, Hawk, and Doc Hayward go hiking, and find the Log Lady's
      cabin. Coop interrogates the log.

   04:00 (cuckoo clock)
   -- Coop, Harry, Hawk, and Doc find Jacques' cabin, and discover clues
      given to Coop in his dream.

   Evening
   -- Party at the Great Northern for the Icelanders. Ben & Catherine meet
      in private, Audrey eavesdrops. Leland Palmer freaks out to music.
   -- Madeleine calls Donna; she found a tape of Laura's.
   -- Back at the party, Ben surreptitiously meets with Josie.
   -- Leo gets home and is beat up on by Hank Jennings. Leo gets pissed at
      Shelly, who pulls out her gun and shoots Leo.
   -- Coop arrives back at his room at the Great Northern, only to find
      Audrey in his bed.

-- "I never use a pen. I write with a goose quill dipped in venom." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

I agree on the excessiveness of Leland's grief (and also didn't like
the dance).  Leland's grief seems to be increasing with each show -
when Laura was first found, he was very composed and cared for his
wife who was understandably distraught.  However, now it seems that
while she is more composed - recall her reactions to Leland in the
broken-picture scene and at the funeral - he seems to be going in the
other direction.  Guilt - perhaps....I'm not sure.

tomr@math.lsa.umich.edu (Tom Richardson) writes:
> > How about this "occurence" of Paul:
> >  
> > Paul is dead
> > Paul Merd [sic]
> > Palmer  (, Laura)

"Paul shit"?

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 >  Frank Sullivan [paul] 

 >  Two Moon Junction:  very good film.  wonderful direction and interesting plot.
 >  i would recommend this even if you don't give a brap who Sherilyn Fenn is.
 >  Plenty o' her in this movie (in more ways than one!)

I rented Two Moon Junction last night. Maybe it stands out as excellent in
the context of Sherilyn Fenn's other films, but I can't recommend it to this
newsgroup. Zalman King (writer and director) is no David Lynch. Sherilyn
doesn't have much to do when she has her clothes on. It's all sort of soft-
core, David Hamilton stuff with lots of sunlight and people dressed in white.

Sherilyn looks terrible as a blonde. Why did King to do this to her? Maybe he
just likes blondes.

--Keith Dawson
dawson@apollo.hp.com

Last night something floating higher into my consciousness
about the scenes at the Great Northern.  Josie Packard
was sitting in a darkened room, smoking like a chimney.

Does this connect the Log Lady's classic observation,
"Fire is the devil hiding like a coward in the smoke"?


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The murder has been established as occuring on or about the 24th. of 
February.

Twin Peaks has been established to be very near the Canadian border, 
probably in Washington State.

Question - Why no snow on the ground? 

Raymond RoschInternet: Rosch@cpdw.enet.dec.com

finally saw two moon junction last night.  i think i prefer her with dark
hair -- she looks very unnatural as a blonde.

Ob. Twin Peaks:  saw a book at the library today -- _Intermediate_Calculus_
by James F. Hurley.  coincidence?  i don't think so.  and laura said he was
so sweet...

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[critique of Two Moon Junction]

but when you see it with TP eyes there are some goodies, e.g.
Sherilyn removing a piece from the wall and peeping ...
-- Juergen Koenemann koeneman@paul.rutgers.edu

In article <YaHh=9e00Vsn8Mw44s@andrew.cmu.edu>, bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) oozed:
==> 
==> Does anyone else have any ideas about all this?  Also, I still haven't
==> seen the pilot.  Did "Invitation to Love" appear in it?

there's another episode with "invitation to love" in it 
(i can't remember if it's the pilot, though) which features
shelley watching it at home.  she sighs and turns the
tv off (i can't remember if it's leo or bobby who comes in) 

-- ``Shut your eyes and you'll burst into flames'' -- the log lady

In article <1836@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, duane@thismoment.EBay.Sun.COM (Duane Day) oozed:
==> A minor nit:  Audrey smokes.  We saw her have a couple of drags at her
==> school locker in episode 0.

and in the women's room in episode 5.

==> Unrelated question:  was the bearded guy in the lingerie anyone we know? 
==> ("He's no Georgia Peach.")  I froze on his picture for awhile but I couldn't
==> recognize him.

cooper says "let's see who's writing to ronette,
postmarked georgia" or something like that.  i
assume that's what "georgia peach" was referring
to.

-- ``Shut your eyes and you'll burst into flames'' -- the log lady

In article <11551@shlump.nac.dec.com> d_rodriguez@csc32.dec.com (Dan Rodriguez) writes:
+
+The big ruckus of Andrew Dice Clay being on Saturday Night Live (Nora
+Dunn and Sinead O'Conner boycotted the show) allowed two different
+musical artists to appear in place of O'Conner.  Appearing in the second 
+portion of show was a artist (I'm not sure since I just caught it just 
+after her introduction) who was singing that 'Twin Peaks' opening theme 
+song.  

That was Julee Cruise that you saw.

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Ok, Nadine wears an eye-patch in real life - she's one-eyed ... but
maybe she doesn't really need the patch.  Maybe she has a twin personality.
By day she's Nadine (who even Hand describes as "not well"), and by night
she's 'Jack'.  This would fit into the twin theme.

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In article <7218@fy.sei.cmu.edu> dd@sei.cmu.edu (Dennis Doubleday) writes:
> >She[Laura] switched places with
> >Madeleine on Day One.  Madeleine is wild--she gets involved in all the
> >shady stuff while pretending to be Laura, stuff which eventually gets
> >her killed.  Laura (still posing as Madeleine) returns to Twin Peaks
> >to try to find out what happened to her cousin.

If this were the case, would Laura be willing to put her parents
through so much pain?  I suppose if there was a good enough reason...

-Sho
-- sho@risc.com <<-- then again, if they were both identical grandmother/granddaughter, brought together by time travel...

Ok- I just watched all the episodes again, and noticed a
few things, which are probably old news.  But here goes-

1) In the Dream:
DWARF: She's my cousin, but doesn't she look almost
       exactly like Laura Palmer?
COOPER: Are you Laura Palmer?
COUSIN: I feel like I know her, but sometimes my arms 
bend back.

and in the 5/10 episode:
MADELYN: I don't really know Laura, but sometimes
 I feel like I do.

2)  What was the statue in the dream representing?
3)  In the bathroom 5/3:
Audrey tells Donna that "Just before the funeral
I eavesdropped on Dr. Jacoby and Johnny and he
told her that Laura was a patient of his."
    but... When Audrey WAS listening to them, Dr. Jacoby
    never said anything of the sort.  And there wasn't much
    other opportunity for her to listen.  So she was lying to
    Donna?  She knows more than she should.  What else does she know?
4)  Donna tells Audrey that whatever they find they can't tell
    anyone.  But Donna tells James and Maddy that they are looking
    because they want to make sure womever did it gets caught.
    Why is her face changing for different people?
5)  Madelyn finds a cassette in the bedpost, goes downstairs
    and calls Donna, bringing the cassette down with her in a 
    shoe box.  WHY?? a) she didn't need the cassette to call
    Donna, but negating that, WHY A SHOEBOX?  The tape would
    have easily fit in the pocket of her pj's, and since she
    oviously worried about being seen, it would have been a lot
    less conspicuous.  Maybe she IS Laura, or knows what is
    going on?

Just a few thoughts

-Dolphin

"...Just so long as the Grapefruits... are freshly squeezed."

A lot of people have mentioned the famous Mount Rushmore scene, in which the
four men (right ot left, in order of appearance, Cooper, Truman, Hawk, and the
doctor) appear in profile just as they are approaching Jacques' cabin in the
woods.  What I don't think anyone has mentioned yet is that that very same
scene (with one exception) occurred in almost exactly the same manner earlier
in that same episode.

In the aforementioned scene, the four men are approaching the cabin, Cooper
looks briefly at a photo of the cabin he had looked at earlier (at Jacques'
apartment).  But *in* *that* *scene* at Jacques' apartment, Cooper identifies
Laura as the girl in another Flesh World ad using the same PO box as Ronette's.
He "knows" this is Laura because of the red drapes in the background.  He then
picks up the photo I just mentioned and examines it closely with his magnifying
glass the same way  he had just examined the magazine ad, only the photo is
held up vertically in front of him as he does this, facing to the left.  As
this is going on, Truman and Hawk "assume the position" in profile behind and
slightly to the left of Cooper, as Cooper says "Red drapes, Harry, from my
dream."  The doctor (Donna's father) is not in this shot.

Any speculations as to the significance here?
--
Look for significance where there's none intended, and *you* know what happens.
Rich Rosenrlr@toccata.rutgers.edu