Season 2, Episodes 21–22: Miss Twin Peaks / Beyond Life and Death — June 10, 1991–August 27, 1992

In article <33084@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> cs162sbd@sdcc5.ucsd.edu (Eddie the 'ead) writes:
> >So are there only 3 minutes of post-TV series material like in the
> >shooting script?  We are still left in the dark over what the hell
> >happens with the good Coop in the Lodge??

There are no post-TV series material in the movie.
The third part of the shooting script was deleted.
I was disappointed.

Toshiya Takaoka

There's a short mention/"review" of the film by Janet Maslin in her
article "Rarities are rare at Cannes" in today's New York Times (18 May):

"Also strong, but for all the wrong reasons, was the disastrous "Twin
Peaks: Fire Walk With Me," David Lynch's much-vaunted prequel to his
successful television series.  It was hard to say whether the film
played worse to "Twin Peaks" fans, who already knew more than enough
about the death of Laura Palmer, or to anyone happening onto this
impenetrable  material for the first time.  Either way, Mr. Lynch's
taste for brain-dead grotesque has lost its novelty, and it now appears
more pathologically unpleasant than cinematically bold.
    This overlong (well over two hours), empty film is not helped by the
absence of most of the television show's most popular characters, like
those played by Kyle MacLachlan (who is seen only briefly) and Sherilynn
Fenn (who is elsewhere at the moment, with John Malkovich in Gary
Sinise's highly scenic version of "Of Mice and Men").  At his news
conference, Mr. Lynch had the good sense to bring along Angelo
Badalmenti, whose music is the only remaining aspect of "Twin Peaks"
that has much appeal."

Pretty rough, huh?

Sharon

Went into my local B. Dalton's bookstore yesterday, and they were selling
Laura's diary, Coop's autobiography, and the TP access guide for $1.69
an INCH. Yup, stack 'em up and measure 'em.

Oh, how the mighty have fallen...

Sally

-- Sally Smith (510)790-0608 sallylb@netcom.com (I was sally@tardis.tymnet.com) I'm unemployed--these opinions *must* be mine! "Don't investigate this too closely." -- Don Bellisario, re: "Quantum Leap"

In article <MJ1078.92May17153352@taurus01.taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp>,
mj1078@taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp (mmanuel pece) writes:
> >People that is not in the movie:
> > DIANE, Audrey, Ben Horne, Jerry, Packard, Josie, Pete, Catherine,
> > Windom Earle, Major Briggs & wife, Dr. Jacoby, Nadine & Ed, 
> > Maddy, Sheriff Truman, Lucy, Dick, Andy, Hawk.

Well, someone did report that he had a lot more film in the can than he had
room for on the screen. That old cutting floor must be knee deep in film.

I personally saw both Pete and Josie on location and listened to Lynch tell
Josie about the scene they were going to shoot with her and Pete. It had
was a little shtick involving someone (I believe he had something to do
with the post office) complaining at the Mill that a two by four he had
purchased didn't measure 2x4 (they never do).  Guess it didn't make the cut
:-)

Hey!

Read the article about FWWM in  clari.news.interest.people!!!!



Don

Could someone please e-mail me a copy of the FWWM shooting script.
I must have missed it when it was posted.
Thanks in advance,

Mark O.
molmos@atlas.nafb.trw.com

I'll post soon a very detailed timeline of the movie FWWM.
The Last Seven Days of Laura Palmer, day by day.
You'd better no read it  and wait until the film is released in U.S.
I'll repost the timeline after that (September 1) and we can
have nice discussions about it. (i have a small problem with
days one and two)

Lots of characters from the TV are not in the movie but i think that's O.K.
There is no point in having the Briggs or the Hayward or the 
sheriff's office staff. Of course we had loved to see them, but it
would only have confused the peolpe that hasn't seen the series.
Jacoby and Ben are a different thing.

--Manuel@Japan
"Life is full of misteries, Donna" (Laura in FWWM)

rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:

> > Well, someone did report that he had a lot more film in the can than he had
> > room for on the screen. That old cutting floor must be knee deep in film.

A thought: Might Lynch have pulled a Back to the Future like stunt and shot
film for a possible FWWM 2 at the same time?
--
"Go to an extreme and then retreat to a more useful position"  --  Brian Eno
Joe Zitt        ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe         (512)450-1916

The following is an article from The Japan Times.
Reproduced without permission.

------------------from here-------------------------------------------------

The Japan Times. Monday, May 18. Pag. 11
 
LYNCH BOOED AT CANNES FOR "TWIN PEAKS"

CANNES, France (Reuter-Kyodo)
 Award-winnig U.S. director David Lynch was booed at the Cannes festival on
saturday for his latest film which revisits the surreal world of his hit
television series "Twin Peaks."

 Lynch, who won the top Golden Palm prize at Cannes in 1990 for "Wild at 
Heart" was back in competition with "Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me."

 The new film was booed after its press showing. Several critics - some of
them admirers of Lynch's previous work - accused him of overindulgence and
lack of originality.

 Twin Peaks is a fictional community in the northwestern U.S. concealing 
dark secrets surrounding the murder of high school student Laura Palmer.

 While the series focuses on the murder probe, the film portrays the final
terrifying days of Laura's life including graphic scenes of sexual violence
only hinted at on television.

 "The series was weird and inventive and sophisticated. This (the film) 
was just exploitative self-indulgence. When is Lynch going to do something 
new ?" said one Australian critic.

 A British journalist who had not seen the series added : "I felt like I
was participating in an in-joke I had no way of understanding."

 Lynch was unapologetic about returning to old pastures.

 "I happen to be in love with the world of Twin Peaks," he told a packed 
news conference.

 "There are many things in there that people who haven't seen the series 
wouldn't understand, but life is full of abstractions and that's not a bad 
thing," he added.

 Critics have long been disturbed by Lynch's use of perverse violence in 
his films. In "Twin Peaks" he deals in incest and drug-related sexual abuse
as well as murder.

 He responded: "If we wanted to make films that wouldn't offend anybody we
would make them about sewing maytbe, although even that could be dangerous."


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In case any of you is coming to Japan, you can see the film at:

TOKYO:
 Shibuya Tokyu (tel. 3407-7029)
 Shochiku Central 1 (tel. 3541-2714)

YOKOHAMA & KAWASAKI
 Movil 2 (tel. 045-311-0330)

FUKUOKA:
 New Tayou Cinema 


--Manuel@Japan
"Life is full of misteries, Donna" (Laura in FWWM)
( this sentence is quite similar to what Lynch said to the critics )

(This article was originally posted on clari.news.interest.people.
 There are NO SPOILERS in here.)


CANNES, France (UPI) -- One of the most eagerly-awaited films at this
year's Cannes Film Festival, David Lynch's ``Twin Peaks, Fire Walk With
Me,'' was screened Saturday and, in keeping with the director's
tradition, it left audiences widely divided but hardly indifferent.
Lynch is no stranger to controversy. Just two years ago his film 
``Wild at Heart'' took the Festival's top Palme d'Or prize to general
surprise.
Set in the same small American town and involving many of the same
characters as Lynch's popular television series ``Twin Peaks,'' the film
takes audiences back in time, telling the story of Laura Palmer, played
by Sheryl Lee, in the days leading up to her brutal murder. The
discovery of her body was the event that opened the television drama.
Although many of Lynch's fans have applauded his extraordinary
filmmaking style, which jumps between reality, dream sequences and
visions of appalling violence, others have felt that the movie does
little but present sickening and misanthropic images.
``I love the place and I love the characters'' Lynch said of ``Twin
Peaks,'' but when aked why, if he loves them, they have such miserable
lives, he replied: ``You'd have to sit down with me and a psychiatrist
for a long while to find out, but I really do like them.''
The director, known for his ability to shock and disturb in films
such as ``Eraserhead,'' ``Blue Velvet'' and, most recently, ``Wild at
Heart,'' refused to apologize for the violence. ``I believe in very
strong content,'' he said.
Besides Lee as Laura Palmer, Ray Wise plays her father Leland, Moira
Kelly is her best friend Donna, and Kyle MacLachlan plays Special Agent
Dale Cooper. Rock star David Bowie has a cameo role, as does Harry Dean
Stanton. As in the television series, Lynch himself portrays an FBI
agent with a hearing problem.
Alongside frequent scenes of violence, ``Twin Peaks, Fire Walk With
Me'' shows incestuous rape, women being tied up and assaulted and
schoolgirls with cocaine habits. Lynch declined to categorize the film
as anti-drug but said, ``You can look at it that way if you want to.''
Lynch's attitude to his films is that each viewer must make up his or
her mind about significances and symbols, so he avoided saying anything
which gave away his own interpretation.
His reticence frustrated many of those present at the news conference
but maintained Lynch's reputation as an enigmatic filmmaker whose work
never fails to arouse fierce debate.
Chilean director Raul Ruiz, whose film ``Dark at Noon'' also screened
in competition Saturday, has been compared to Lynch. Ruiz uses similar
techniques to achieve a surrealistic effect.
``Dark at Noon'' follows a doctor's quest to find his family fortune,
mysteriously invested in a Portuguese factory. French actor Didier
Bourdon stars as the doctor, British actor John Hurt plays his father's
friend Anthony, and American Lorraine Evanoff makes her movie debut as a
painter.
This international cast was assembled by the producer Leonardo de la
Fuente, who pursued Hurt for several months in different countries
before he agreed to take the part. 
``I didn't have a single minute during the shooting when I wasn't
interested. The film breaks the rules of reality and what is allowed,''
Hurt said.
Although Cannes itself remained fairly quiet Saturday, the Hotel du
Cap was under siege after the arrival of actors Tom Cruise, who stars in
the Festival's closing film ``Far and Away,'' and Mel Gibson who came to
promote his latest film ``Lethal Weapon III.''


-- | Brian S. Kendig --/\-- Tri bskendig@phoenix.Princeton.EDU, @PUCC | Computer Science BSE |/ \| Quad You gave your life to become the person | Princeton University /____\ clubs you are right now. Was it worth it?

In article <1992May18.150413.7470@uoft02.utoledo.edu> csbgc@uoft02.utoledo.edu writes:

> >Hey!
> >Read the article about FWWM in  clari.news.interest.people!!!!

Hey! 
A lot of people don't get this! How about a summary?

-- Sally Smith (510)790-0608 sallylb@netcom.com (I was sally@tardis.tymnet.com) I'm unemployed--these opinions *must* be mine! "Don't investigate this too closely." -- Don Bellisario, re: "Quantum Leap"

In article <1992May17.020430.29062@scott.skidmore.edu>, mfrazer@scott.skidmore.edu (Matthew Frazer) writes...

} Something about this john/jack thing, why was john justice wheeler so
} often referred to as jack. Mebbe Lynch has some ideas about the names,
} but no johns/jons/etc... I know go by the name Jack.

Funny, "Jack" is quite a common nickname for John. While not every John I
know uses Jack as a nickname, every Jack I know (including one of my
housemates) has John for a given name.

-- "I want you to form a team of the most brilliant minds in network television." "Well, now, isn't that a contradiction in terms?" --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com

** SPOILERS **** SPOILERS **** SPOILERS **** SPOILERS **** SPOILERS **

This is a timeline for the film FWWM that
YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN READING THIS 
( oh, shut up, Bob ! )
I have used part of the script posted by st911277@pip.cc.brandeis.edu,
deleting the parts that are not in the final cut.
The movie I saw in Japan (May 16th) was a two hours and ten minutes cut.

Manuel@Japan
pece@taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp

** SPOILERS **** SPOILERS **** SPOILERS **** SPOILERS **** SPOILERS **










=="Fire Walk With Me, Teresa Banks and the Last Seven Days of Laura Palmer"==


PART I ( 30 minutes ) TERESA BANKS

February 1988

Opening scene: "Teresa Banks' body wrapped in plastic floating through Hells 
Canyon, drifting along in Wind River."  
Then it jumps to Gordon Cole at his office. He is talking on the phone  to FBI 
agent Chester Desmond, who is in the middle of an arrest (something weird with 
a school bus and children crying). Gordon tells Desmond to meet him at the 
Portland private airport. Desmond arrives and meets the other agent that will 
work on the case, Sam Stanley.  
Here is a really cool scene involving communication
between the agents using a code ( that is a girl dressed in red, "dancing").
Stanley and Desmond go to investigate Banks' murder.  
Here they have trouble with the local lawmen : sheriff Cable and
deputy Cliff Howard.
[ which was probably what prompted Cooper to have his talk with Truman in 
the first episode about who is really in charge when the bureau is called in]
At 4:30 p.m. they start Bank's autopsia. 
Stanley found the "T" under the fingernail. Teresa's ring is missing.
They  finish the autopsia at 3:30 a.m. and then go to eat to Hap's dinners.
Banks worked there for a month. They asked some questions to the waitress.
[ In some way, Deer Meadow is an "Inverted-TP" or "Black-TP : the peolpe at
the sheriff's office are nasty, Desmond's methods are not like Cooper's, 
Hap's and the fat waitress Irene are a the opposite to the RR ] 
Irene to FBI agents: 
" You want to hear about our spacials.(pause). we don't have any."
Following day the go to the "Fat Trout", the trailer park were Teresa lived.
They see a strange woman.
Stanley takes the corpse back to Portland.
Desmond goes back to the Fat Trout and finds a mound of dirt under a trailer.
The ring is on the mound. He takes it.

Here we switch to Cooper. It is 16 February, 10:10 a.m., and he has come to 
see Gordon at the FBI offices in Philadelphia. He has had a dream.
He does a really funny thing with the security TV camera 
[ wait to see the movie ]

It gets really weird. There is an agent named Phillip Jeffries(David Bowie).  
He cames in. Gordon(?) says that he has been missing for two years. 
Jeffries says "We are not gonna talk about Judy" and
" I've been to one of their meetings ".
We see a dream-like scene at a convenience store.  Everyone is there:
In the foreground the Man from Another Place (Mike) and Bob sit at a 
formica table.  Behind them on plastic torn chairs huddle Mrs. Tremond and
her grandson. There is some corn, too.  One Bigh Woodsman with full beards 
sit quietly.  
We have more of the strange talking but they don't talk backwards
all the time. Bob : "We live inside a dream ".
The scene ends, and Jeffries is vanished again .
[and that's all the Bowie you will see]. 
Albert: "Desmond has disappeared."
Cooper is brought in. He goes to  Deer Meadow.
There was an old woman and her grandson living in the Fat Trout some
time ago. On the front window of Desmond's car someone has written, 
in red, "Let's rock".
Cooper: "Diane, I think he will kill again".

PART II ( more than 90 minutes ) THE LAST SEVEN DAY OF LAURA PALMER

One year later.
February 1989

Cooper was right.  Laura did have a bad habit.  
It turns out that that habit was very very bad.  In every scene
she takes a line or two of cocaine and any pills she can get her hands on.

17 Feb (Friday) [DAY 1]   

Morning: Donna and Laura walk to the school. 
Bobby loves Laura, Laura sees James behind Bobby's back, 
and Mike is going out with Donna.
At Donna's,  Donna and Laura talk about boys and other things.
Laura: "And the angels would'nt help you because they are all gone away" 
Laura goes home and finds pages missing from her secret diary.  
She panicks and goes to see Harold Smith.
She tells him she thinks Bob took the pages and that Bob has been having
he since she was 12.  Laura says Bob wants to be [inside] her or 
he will kill her.

[ Cooper and Albert talk about the next victim ]

18 Feb (Saturday) [DAY 2]

Shelley helps Laura with Meals on Wheels.  
Mrs. Tremond and her grandson give Laura a picture. 
It is a view of Laura's bedroom door from outside the bedroom . 
She goes home and finds Bob looking for her diary in her room.
She runs outside.  Minutes later Leland comes out of the house.  
Laura: "Oh, God. No. Not him!"
She goes to Donna's, crying.
At dinner Leland tells Laura the her hands are filthy.
"There is dirt under this fingernail. Go and wash your hands".
10:35 p.m. Mrs Palmer, smoking, and Leland in their room.
Leland cries, goes to say Laura that he loves her.
That night, the picture given to Laura as a present from Mrs. Tremond 
magically reveals the Red Room.  On a table, is Teresa's ring, 
which has symbols identical to those of Owl Cave  
Cooper tells Laura not to take the ring.
TMFAP says to Cooper " Do you know who I am?..I am The Arm..
And I sound like this..."   He makes an Indian whooping noise .
We come out of the picture and see Laura in bed.  
She wakes and looks next to her.  
She  discovers Annie Blackburn lying in bed with her.  
She has blood around her mouth and she says, 
"My name is Annie.  I've been with Laura and Dale.  The good Dale is
in the lodge and he can't leave.  Write it in your diary."  
Annie disappears and the ring is in Laura's hand. 
She opens the door to go out, and sees herself in the picture.
[ but this happens to be a dream, too]

19 Feb (Sunday) [DAY 3]

Laura wakes up. Opens her hand. No ring.
Leo abuses Shelly. Bobby phones him about a drug deal.
Leo doesn't want to deal with Bobby because he hasn't paid him $50,000,
so Bobby phones Jacques Renault.   
Nigth: Laura goes to the Bang Bang and meets the Log Lady outside.
Laura cries listenig to the song at BangBang.
Donna has followed her.
They hitch up with two truckers and go to a sort of Disco-bar cross
the border.  They see Ronette Pulaski.
Quite an "intense" scene".
Ronette and Laura talk about Teresa Banks. "It's a year since her death".
Jacques: "Come to the cabin this week, girls. Thursday".
Ronette tells Laura that Donna is doing it with one of the truckers.
Laura is afraid for Donna and gets her out of there.

20 Feb (Monday) [DAY 4]

Donna and Laura discuss last night.
Laura: "Life is full of misteries, Donna" .
Laura and Leland in his car. 
Gerard says to Laura, "It's him.  It's your father", 
but she can't hear him because Leland is making so much noise with his car.  
Leland has flashback to when he was involved with Teresa with Flesh World 
Magazine.
Leland: "Who am I?". Teresa: "I don't know". Leland: "That's good".
Another flashback : Leland sees Laura and Ronettte in a room
of the same Motel he is staying with Teresa.
Laura asks Leland if he went back home last week during the day.  
Evening: Laura has flashback and begins to put the pieces together.
Leland has flashback to when he killed Teresa Banks.

21 Feb (Tuesday) [DAY 5]

Day: Laura meets Bobby at school
Night: Bobby and Laura go into the woods to pick up drugs.
Deer Meadow deputy Cliff Howard brings the cocaine for Jacques.  
Laura grabs the coke, Cliff pulls out his gun, and Bobby shoots him
twice or three times and kills him.
[ this is somehow different to the other killing of the Diary ]
Laura: "Bobby, you have killed Mike"

22 Feb (Wednesday) [DAY 6]

Day: James goes to Laura's. He missed her last nigth. Leland watches.
Night: Sarah is drugged by Leland- sees white horse.  
Laura snorts three lines. 
Bob enters Laura's room and puts hand between her legs.  
Bob turns into Leland. She screams and passes out.

23 Feb (Thursday) [DAY 7]

"Last morning": At breakfast table Leland asks Laura what is wrong.  
Laura says to stay away. He knows she knows and he knows what he has to do.

[ we don't see Josie's english lesson at 5:00 p.m. ]
[ we don't see how Bobby meets Leo ]
[ we don't see Leland calling Laura from Ben's office ]

"Last night": 

Laura goes to see Bobby.  
James calls at 9:30, while she is dressing for the cabin.
He comes by.  Leland sees Laura jump on his bike.  They drive.
Laura tells him that Bobby has killed someone.  
Laura screams with agony, says "James I love you" and runs away at
the corner of Sparkwood and 21.  
Laura runs to Packard Logging Road and meets Jacques, Leo, and Ronette.  
They go to Jacques' cabin.  Jacques ties Laura and Ronette up.  
Both are half-naked.  Waldo is screeching.
Jacques stradles Laura and hurts her.
Leland appears, grabs a bottle and knocks out Jacques.  Leo takes off.
Laura gets hysterical.
Philip Gerard runs like a madman up to Jacques' cabin.
Leland marches the girls through woods.  Gerard arrives too late.  
Leland and girls arrive at train car.  
Leland wraps twine around Laura's arm, bending her arms back.  
Laura sees herself turn into Bob.  Laura says,
"No, you have to kill me...No you can't have me.  Kill me."  
Gerard arrives at train car.
Ronette prays, and sees and angel in the train car .
Ronette opens the door a little, but then she is hit and
flies over Gerard and knocked unconscious.  
Gerard listens to the sounds of murder inside the car.  
Laura screams.  Knife enters flesh.  Bob screams.
Bloody knife goes through the air.  Leland screams. 
Leland/Bob lowers the plastic shrouded Laura into the river.  
Leland stumbles into Glastonbury Grove. He enters the Red Room.  
Gerard and MFAP sit facing him.  Leland stops and divides.  
One half becomes Bob. The other half floats up and becomes Leland.  
Bob reaches up and grab's Leland's wound. Bob heals Leland's wound.  
Gerard and TMFAP speak together "Bob, you're not going home without me.  
I want all my garmonbozia (corn)."

The corpse is found.

[Well that's the end of the second part]

EPILOGUE

[The part we've all been waiting for, but it is only a few minutes long]

Laura and Cooper are in the Red Room. 
She is sitting, and he stands by her side, with a hand on her shoulder. 
They smile and look happy.
An angel appears, floating. Laura cries of happines, and laughs.

[ close-up of Laura's face smiling. Credits ]

[ THE END ]


Well this is all. Thanks again to st911277@pip.cc.branbeis.edu.

--Manuel@Japan

In article <cX7ZkB4w163w@zitt>, joe@zitt (Joe Zitt) writes:
> > 
> > rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:
> > 
>> > > Well, someone did report that he had a lot more film in the can than he had
>> > > room for on the screen. That old cutting floor must be knee deep in film.
> > 
> > A thought: Might Lynch have pulled a Back to the Future like stunt and shot
> > film for a possible FWWM 2 at the same time?

That idea occured to me as well.  Hope it's true, though given the apparent
lack of enthusiasm at Cannes, FWWM will have to do pretty good box office
on word of mouth somewhere if there is going to be another movie.

-Rich

In article <1992May19.232044.9985@cbnews.cb.att.com> msr@cbnews.cb.att.com (michael.s.robinson) writes:

> >UNARMED AND DANGEROUS:
> >
> >Jennifer Lynch loses Maddonna, Basinger, gains Fenn for 'Boxing Helena'.
> >What actress would break her neck to appear on screen as a woman without
> >arms or legs, imprisoned in a box by a love-obessed doctor? ...
> >Sherilyn Fenn is set to go before the cameras as the limbless lady early
> >next month on a Georgia set. As of yet, there's no domestic
> >distributer but director Jennifer Lynch hopes to release it in the
> >spring of '93.

A friend of mine (one of the luckiest people that I know) will be working
as a production assistant intern on the set in Georgia during the summer,
and plans on writing and telling me what's going on with it as it goes.
I believe that shooting starts June 8th, or something like that.  I don't
know how much longer shooting goes on, but I do know that it will continue
in Los Angeles later in the summer.  

My friend was told that she would be driving stars around, hopefully I can
get some information from her.  Cheers!

-David

What I want to know is how good the music in the movie is.  Does it
use a lot of the TV theme music?  I assume it uses the same title
theme.  How about Laura's Theme?  Any new music?  Is it good?

semi-spoiler

I'm still sick that Audrey's not going to be in the movie.

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Well, to quote Leland "I Had No Idea"

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"Diane..as we know from experiments  | I do not have insomnia! I just forget 
conducted on GI's during the Korean  |             to sleep.
War, sleep deprivation is a one way  | Matt Frazer, mfrazer@skidmore.edu
ticket to temporary psychosis, and   | 5 Stevens Way Durham NH 03824
I'm working on a three day jag."     | Skidmore College Saratoga Springs 
-FBI Special Agent Dale Cooper       |          New York 12866
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Ya Somebody Should Post This clarinet thingie here
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"Diane..as we know from experiments  | I do not have insomnia! I just forget 
conducted on GI's during the Korean  |             to sleep.
War, sleep deprivation is a one way  | Matt Frazer, mfrazer@skidmore.edu
ticket to temporary psychosis, and   | 5 Stevens Way Durham NH 03824
I'm working on a three day jag."     | Skidmore College Saratoga Springs 
-FBI Special Agent Dale Cooper       |          New York 12866
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 85 900 Saab Turbo 4 Door 110k and still running strong, anyone got a muffler?
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In the "Summer Preview" issue of People (May 18), there are two items of note:

- In the movies preview, the release date of "Fire Walk With Me" is listed
  as August 28.  It is also accompanied by a picture of Leland and Laura.
  Laura is sitting at the dinner table cowering, as Leland grabs her by the
  collar.
  
- In the TV preview, they describe "On The Air":  "Director David Lynch, who
  gave us the jokey-eerie 'Twin Peaks,' has come up with this just-jokey
  ABC sitcom about a variety show in the last '50s.  Your host: Lester Guy
  (Ian Buchanan) [known to Peakers as Dick Tremayne of Horne's Department
  Store, Mens Fashions].  Unlike 'Peaks,' predicts producer Bob Engels, this
  one 'you'll have no difficulty following.'  Date: TBA"
  
And in the "Summer Movie Preview" issue of Entertainment Weekly (May 22), these
tidbits:

- In an article about the Cannes Film Festival, a note about a number of
  American films shown there (including FWWM) as being "hyper-violent."
  
- In the list of upcoming summer movies:

  "Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me
  
  "A prequel to the TV series, this follows Laura Palmer through the last week
  of her life, tracing the source of the evil that destroys her.  Series stars
  Kyle MacLachlan, Sheryl Lee, James Marshall, Dana Ashbrook, Peggy Lipton,
  Madchen Amick, and Ray Wise return; David Lynch directs and reprises his role
  as a hearing-impaired FBI agent.  New Peakers include David Bowie, Harry Dean
  Stanton, and Moira Kelly.
  
  "Inside Story:  The idea that she would one day star as Laura in a 'Peaks'
  movie would have struck Sheryl Lee as impossible three years ago, when she
  auditioned for four days of work as a corpse on the series pilot.  'When
  David said, "I'm going bring Laura back," I coudln't figure out how he would
  do that, but he did.' Lee says.  'And then he said, "We're gonna do a movie,"
  and I couldn't figure out how he'd do *that*.'  The big question:  Can he
  bring back the audience whose patience with Peaksian logic faded even before
  the show left the small screen?"
  
- In the "News & Notes" column:

  "Unarmed and Dangerous
  
  "Jennifer Lynch loses Madonna, Basinger, gains Fenn for 'Boxing Helena'
  
  "What actress would break her neck to appear on screen as a woman without
  arms or legs, imprisoned in a box by a love-obsessed doctor?  Oddly enough,
  two major stars did, only to later renege.  And each did so four weeks before
  the slated start of production on 'Boxing Helena,' the first directorial
  effort of Jennifer Lynch, 24, daughter of David Lynch.  Madonna had committed
  to the role, then dropped out in December 1990 with no explanation.
  
  "Kim Basinger took up the slack in February '91, but bagged the role five
  months later--and may be taken to court by the movie's producer as a
  result--becuase of 'creative differences.'  Now Sherilyn Fenn, a longtime
  Lynch mobster ('Twin Peaks,' 'Wild At Heart'), is set to go before the
  cameras as the limbless lady as early as next month on a Georgia set.  As of
  yet, there's no domestic distributor, but Lynch hopes to release it in the
  spring of '93.
  
  "Is there a 'Boxing Helena' curse?  Not according to young Lynch, who thinks
  Madonna and Basinger 'couldn't complete the process of making the picture
  because they hadn't done enough investigating of the little girls inside of
  themselves.  Their bravery is not to be lessened, but perhaps they had not
  anticipated how difficult making this movie would be."  Neither star will
  comment.
  
  "Written by Lynch, from an idea she says that her coproducer Philippe Caland
  cooked up, and featuring Julian Sands ('A Room With a View'), 'Boxing Helena'
  is your typical doctor-meets-girl, invites-girl-to-lunch, loses-girl tale.
  But he gets her back by retrieving her from a car accident in which her legs
  are damaged.  To keep her with him, he amputates her legs, then her arms.
  
  "While it's not quite TV-movie fare, Lynch believes the film 'is a love story
  with a phenomenal role for a woman.  Helena is not horribly mutilated.  She
  is adored and always the stronger of the two.'
  
  "Fenn, who read the script five months after Basinger dropped out, agrees.
  'This movie is about the amputations that occur emotionally,' she says.  As
  for the physical amputations, they will fall into the domain of
  special-effects master and sometime David Copperfield-collaborator John
  Gaughan, who will be working overtime to create the illusion of missing
  limbs.
  
  "Meanwhile, Basinger may eventually take the witness stand (her June 1 court
  date was just postponed), defending herself against breach-of-contract
  charges brought by the movie's producer, Carl Mazzocone, president of Main
  Line Pictures.  According to Mazzocone, Basinger's sudden exit sank foreign
  sales and financing, cost him his house and car, and diminshed the picture's
  original $9.6 million budget.  But Basinger's attorney, Howard Weitzman,
  says, 'The direction of the story was not clear, which is especially
  important when you are dealing with material that is so sensitive.'
  
  "If it ever does make it through production and into the can, 'Boxing Helena'
  will probably spark some lively dialogue among members of the Motion Picture
  Association of America's ratings board.  But then, going to extremes on film
  is a Lynch tradition.  Jennifer was a child when she saw her father's first
  feature, the freakish 'Eraserhead' (1978), about a couple who give birth to a
  monster baby.  'I walked out of the theater,' she remembers, 'and I said,
  "Dad, this is definitely not a movie for kids."'  It remains to be seen just
  who 'Helena' will pull in."
  
- In the "Flashes" column:

  "Hot Spot: ABC's 'On The Air' isn't the only new David Lynch series coming to
  television this year.  HBO has signed a deal with the 'Twin Peaks' creator
  for an anthology series, 'The Hotel.'  Debuting next fall, the half-hour
  drama will take place in the same hotel room every episode, but in different
  years, from 1900 to the future.  Authors writing scripts for the show include
  Jay McInerny ('Brightness Falls'), who is toiling away on a story set in
  1992."
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After Cannes, I know less of FWWM than ever before. Is this movie just a
hard-core porn flick (as implied in a review in one newspaper), is it
"senseless" and "the worst movie Lynch ever made" (as said by another one) -
or was it one of Cannes' best shows (as was implied by, among others, CNN)?
Either the film is really bad - or the reviewers just don't get the point
as they did with the later episodes of the TV series (but did *we* get all
the points...?). Now, is FWWM worth the $5,- or not?

In article <1992May22.112109.29974@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> dfi@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Daniel Fischer) writes:

  .
  .
  .
> > the points...?). Now, is FWWM worth the $5,- or not?

   FIVE BUCKS!!??? FIVE BUCKS??!!! Is that all you pay for a movie? Here in
 Calgary we are at EIGHT bucks. (Four dollars on Tuesdays.)
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tpaquette@ita.lgc.com (Trevor Paquette) writes:
> > In article <1992May22.112109.29974@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> dfi@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Daniel Fischer) writes:
> > 

>> > > the points...?). Now, is FWWM worth the $5,- or not?
> > 
> >    FIVE BUCKS!!??? FIVE BUCKS??!!! Is that all you pay for a movie? Here in
> >  Calgary we are at EIGHT bucks. (Four dollars on Tuesdays.)

Don't shoot, but films are $2.50 'round here....

In article <jgp.706493609@rutabaga>,
jgp@rutabaga.Rational.COM (Jim Pellmann) writes:
> >
> >- In the "News & Notes" column:
> >
> >  "Unarmed and Dangerous
> >
> >  "Jennifer Lynch loses Madonna, Basinger, gains Fenn for 'Boxing Helena'
> >
> >                                              Now Sherilyn Fenn, a longtime
> >  Lynch mobster ('Twin Peaks,' 'Wild At Heart'), is set to go before the
> >  cameras as the limbless lady as early as next month on a Georgia set.  As of
> >  yet, there's no domestic distributor, but Lynch hopes to release it in the
> >  spring of '93.
> >
> >  "Written by Lynch, from an idea she says that her coproducer Philippe Caland
> >  cooked up, and featuring Julian Sands ('A Room With a View'), 'Boxing Helena'
> >  is your typical doctor-meets-girl, invites-girl-to-lunch, loses-girl tale.
> >  But he gets her back by retrieving her from a car accident in which her legs
> >  are damaged.  To keep her with him, he amputates her legs, then her arms.
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

   Yuck!  Talk about hard-up?

> >                         Jennifer was a child when she saw her father's first
> >  feature, the freakish 'Eraserhead' (1978), about a couple who give birth to a
> >  monster baby.  'I walked out of the theater,' she remembers, 'and I said,
> >  "Dad, this is definitely not a movie for kids."'  It remains to be seen just
> >  who 'Helena' will pull in."

   Maybe Jeffrey Dahmer will rent it...

After reading all of this material from FWWM, I'm of the opinion that there's
either going to be a sequel to the movie, or a sequel to the Television show.

I guess it depends entierly on the interest that the movie generates.

Either way, I hope TP doesn't die.

Dealwis: Foot for Tort.

molmos@atlas.nafb.trw.com (molmos@atlas.nafb.trw.com) writes:
: Could someone please e-mail me a copy of the FWWM shooting script.
: I must have missed it when it was posted.
: Thanks in advance,
: 
: Mark O.
: molmos@atlas.nafb.trw.com

And me, please, or can someone point me in the direction of TP FTP sites with
it on.

TIA,
Duncan.

--
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The only thing I disclaim is my spelling.sheep@cix.compulink.co.uk

duncan@demon.co.uk (Duncan Brown) writes:
> > molmos@atlas.nafb.trw.com (molmos@atlas.nafb.trw.com) writes:
> > : Could someone please e-mail me a copy of the FWWM shooting script.
> > : I must have missed it when it was posted.
> > : Thanks in advance,

> > 
> > And me, please, or can someone point me in the direction of TP FTP sites with
> > it on.
> > 

The majority of it has already been reposted by our friend from Japan
who's seen the film.  Look at the FWWM (SPOILERS) posts.  The script
summery which was posted is quoted word for word there...

> >tpaquette@ita.lgc.com (Trevor Paquette) writes:
>> >> In article <1992May22.112109.29974@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> dfi@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Daniel Fischer) writes:
>> >> 
> >
>>> >> > the points...?). Now, is FWWM worth the $5,- or not?
>> >> 
>> >>    FIVE BUCKS!!??? FIVE BUCKS??!!! Is that all you pay for a movie? Here in
>> >>  Calgary we are at EIGHT bucks. (Four dollars on Tuesdays.)
> >
> >Don't shoot, but films are $2.50 'round here....

Bang! You don't even want to hear how much it's gonna cost us down under (if
it makes it down here) ... How does about $10 sound to you people?


By the by, from what I've read of FWWM, it's only minorly blown my friend's
and I's (???)  proposed sequel to Twin Peaks out of the water! (Yes, we"re
still writing it ...)



Leanne Richard
The University of Newcastle,
Australia

p2029901@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:

> >After reading all of this material from FWWM, I'm of the opinion that there's
> >either going to be a sequel to the movie, or a sequel to the Television show.

> >I guess it depends entierly on the interest that the movie generates.

> >Either way, I hope TP doesn't die.

> >Dealwis: Foot for Tort.

Well from what Ive heard about TP's popularity in Japan, I reckon
Lynch/Frost should look for fuunding from a Japanese TV company. I think
this would be a good move, I think many TV compannies would jump at
the chance.

Maybe I'm just too hopeful, but I think it would still work.

Just my two pence (or cents) worth,

Donald

I recently read the cast list for the series which listed who died in the
end and who did not.  B.Horne was not listed, yet I always thought his
wounds were serious enough to cause death.  Wasthis wrong or did the
person making the list merely make a mistake?  I'm new to the group and
missed all the series finale-related discussion.  Please post the answer.
Thanks very much.
-- Betsy Brett email craigs@garfield.cs.mun.ca Box 442 RR1 (specify to Betsy in subject line) Paradise, NF A1L 1C1 /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Canada /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In article <1992May24.000013.9786@demon.co.uk>, duncan@demon.co.uk (Duncan Brown) writes:
> > molmos@atlas.nafb.trw.com (molmos@atlas.nafb.trw.com) writes:
> > : Could someone please e-mail me a copy of the FWWM shooting script.
> > : I must have missed it when it was posted.
> > : Thanks in advance,
> > : 
> > : Mark O.
> > : molmos@atlas.nafb.trw.com
> > 
> > And me, please, or can someone point me in the direction of TP FTP sites with
> > it on.

audrey.sait.edu.au may have it. It seems to have everything else.

J.Dealwis


> > 
> > TIA,
> > Duncan.
> > 
> > --
> > Duncan Brown.duncan@demon.co.uk
> > The only thing I disclaim is my spelling.sheep@cix.compulink.co.uk
> >

 Greetings. I'm putting together a sizeable thesis on the life and work of 
David Lynch up here in the Great White North, and I'm seeking information on 
thegenius of this director.
 
 With the release of "Fire Walk with Me", it seems some of our European and 
Asian users have been privy to an earlier release date than those of us here 
in American, and surely they might be some interesting newspaper articles or 
television interviews that you welay have recorded or clipped that I would 
love to get a copy of.
 
 I have a number of biographical articles, interview footage, and clippings 
that I would be glad to exchange with you in gathering my information. I 
have an very interesting interview done with Lynch that I posted here some 
time ago from an interview done with the CBC where Lynch, among other things 
talks about his collarbone. Plus the rolling stone interview, the Twin Peaks 
press releases. Reviews of Wild at Heart etc.
 
 If you have any information of the life and work of David Lynch, I would 
very much like to hear from you, and if you could please email me I would be 
very appreciative. Even if you can at least point me in the direction of a 
magazine you didn't own that I might be able to track down for example, I 
will pass along all info to you if you like. Please email me if you have any 
comments or questions.
 
 
 Thanks!
 
 
 .s

In article <1992May25.185756.5797@cs.mun.ca>, craigs@garfield.cs.mun.ca (Betsy Brett) writes:
> >
> >I recently read the cast list for the series which listed who died in the
> >end and who did not.  B.Horne was not listed, yet I always thought his
> >wounds were serious enough to cause death.  Wasthis wrong or did the
> >person making the list merely make a mistake?  I'm new to the group and
> >missed all the series finale-related discussion.  Please post the answer.
> >Thanks very much.
> >-- 

It wasn't an oversight, as far as I recall.  Ben got rammed into the
wall next to the fireplace by Doc Hayward, and yet in a later scene
Doc is helping Harry to watch over Coop at the Great Northern.  If
he had killed Ben, Doc would be in jail.  Thus, unless Doc and all the
witnesses (from memory, this includes Sylvia Horne) conspired to
cover up the death, Ben must not be dead.
-- Ed Hughes, SAS Institute | "I'll stay here and take more lithium." Cary, NC | --Crow, "Women of the Prehistoric Planet," MST3000 |

My favorite movie, besides Whatever Happened to Baby Jane, is DL's Blue
Velvet. I think that it was much better than Wild at Heart. When is FWWM
opening in the US?

jholstei@scott.skidmore.edu (jeremy holstein) writes:
> > tpaquette@ita.lgc.com (Trevor Paquette) writes:
>> > > In article <1992May22.112109.29974@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> dfi@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Daniel Fischer) writes:
>> > > 
> > 
>>> > > > the points...?). Now, is FWWM worth the $5,- or not?
>> > > 
>> > >    FIVE BUCKS!!??? FIVE BUCKS??!!! Is that all you pay for a movie? Here in
>> > >  Calgary we are at EIGHT bucks. (Four dollars on Tuesdays.)
> > 
> > Don't shoot, but films are $2.50 'round here....
BANG!
Where are yoo going???
I coulda saved enough to pay off the national debt if I could have
gotten tix for 2.50.
I paid 6.75 or 4.50 depending if I got a book of ten or not.
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Hello,

Sorry for posting this request _again_ but all the previous times I've
posted it I wasn't sure whether the reason I got no responses was because
it didn't get sent out or due to general apathy.  I'm hoping it's because
of the former, but if not never mind - you can be sure that this is the
last post on this subject.

"But what _is_ this subject, I hear you cry?"  Well, I'm looking for
someone over in America to do some checking up on Twin Peaks Press for
me.  If you're over the pond, as I understand you're so fond of calling
it, and would like to do a small favour for me (and in return get lots
of goodies from England) then please e-mail me ASAP.  Thanks a lot.

Hope to hear from you soon.  I remain,

Your loyal and humble servant,


Uncle Matty
cs88mmp@brunel.ac.uk

     I know that this has been asked far too many times, but
what is the tentative U.S. release of FWWM??



Mike F.

The following review of the new TP film is from Variety Magazine
(May 18, 1992):


TWIN PEAKS: FIRE WALK WITH ME

A New Line Cinema release of a Francis Bouygues presentation of a
Lynch/Frost-CIBY Pictures production.  Produced by Gregg Fienberg.
Executive producers, Mark Frost, David Lynch.  Co-producer, John
Wentworth.  Directed by Lynch.  Screenplay, Lynch, Robert Engels.
Camera (CFI color), Ron Garcia; editor, Mary Sweeny; music, Angelo
Badalamenti; production-costume design, Patricia Norris; set
decoration, Leslie Morales; sound (Dolby), Jon Huck; Sound Design,
Lynch; associate producers, Johanna Ray, Tim Harbert; assistant
director, Deepak Nayar; Casting, Ray [sic].  Reviewed at Carolco
screening room, L.A., April 27, 1992. (Competing at Cannes Film
Festival.)  MPAA RATING: R.  Running Time: 135 MIN.

Laura Palmer.........................................Sheryl Lee
Donna Hayward.......................................Moira Kelly
Phillip Jefferies...................................David Bowie
Chester Desmond.....................................Chris Isaak
Carl Rodd....................................Harry Dean Stanton
Leland Palmer..........................................Ray Wise
Special agent Dale Cooper.......................Kyle MacLachlan
Bobby Briggs......................................Dana Ashbrook
Sam [sic] Stanley.............................Kiefer Sutherland
Norma Jennings.....................................Peggy Lipton
James Hurley.....................................James Marshall
Sarah Palmer....................................Grace Zabriskie
Teresa Banks......................................Pamela Gidley
Gordon Cole.........................................David Lynch
Shelly Johnson....................................Madchen Amick
Albert Rosenfeld..................................Miguel Ferrer
Annie Blackburn [sic]............................Heather Graham
Woodsman........................................Jurgen Prochnow
Sheriff Cable......................................Gary Bullock

A feature prequel to the celebrated but short-lived TV series, "Twin
Peaks: Fire Walk With Me" is like an R-rated episode embodying both
the pros and cons of the intriguingly offbeat program.  A detailing of
the final week in the life of the semi-legendary Laura Palmer, with
plenty of digressions and artistic doodlings, as well as the
occasional striking sequence, pic will inevitably attract die-hard
fans but is too weird and not very meaningful for general audiences.
Ultimately, this feels like David Lynch treading water before moving
on to new terrain.

Anyone with a passing interest in American culture of the last couple
of years knows the phrase, "Who killed Laura Palmer?" - a question
promulgated by the discovery of her body in the superb two-hour pilot
telefilm, and the answer to which was side-stepped for far too long,
to the detriment of the series.

Almost equally familiar is the knowledge that Dad did it.  Despite an
abundance of fishy activity by the teenagers and powers-that-be in the
small Washington State community, and a lot of psuedo-psychic
hocus-pocus involving Kyle MacLachlan's special agent Dale Cooper, the
root of Laura's problems were to be found at home.

After a strikingly amusing opening image involving destruction of a TV
set, pic launches into what is essentially a 33-minute prologue
detailing the FBI's investigation of the Portland murder of a woman
named Teresa Banks.

Bureau's look-see is orchestrated by a shouting, hard-of-hearing
supervisor played by the director himself, and section is filled with
many series trademarks - insolent small-town police, a tiny piece of
paper under a fingernail, and intense interest in coffee,
difficult-to-understand dwarfs [sic] - as well as odd and extremely
brief cameos by the likes of David Bowie, as a weird apparition, and
Harry Dean Stanton, as a trailer park owner, and a prediction by
Cooper that the killer will strike again.

Cues by the first strains of Angelo Badalamenti's famous mood-setting
theme music, action then cuts to one year later in Twin Peaks, where
Laura (Sheryl Lee) prepares for class by snorting some coke.  Events
that follow, in the expected dreamlike, sometimes captivating,
occasionally enervating Lynchian style, largely center on Laura's
downward spiral of drug use, promiscuity and crime, up to the moment
of her killing, which leaves things off where they all started on TV.

Suspense is clearly lacking in this story with a preordained outcome.
Another significant drawback is that Laura, after all the talk about
her, is not a very interesting or compelling character, and long
before the climax has become a tiresome teen.  Almost everthing she
does is misguided and self-destructive, and she scarcely knows what to
do with her off moments of telepathic insight or desire that her best
friend Donna (Moira Kelly) not share her dismal fate. [sic]

Because no crime has yet been committed in the community, no police or
FBI investigation is going on here, and hence no opportunities for
interaction between the authorities and the many diverse characters
offered in the series, or development of relationships that came
later.

Many of the show's familiar performers (Lara Flynn Boyle, Sherilyn
Fenn, Richard Beymer and Joan Chen just for starters) aren't on view
here, while others, including Peggy Lipton and Madchen Amick,
materialize so briefly as to be pointless.  Singer Julee Cruise turns
up briefly for one musical interlude.

Still, the film has it's share of unique conceptual sequences.  The
first, in the prologue, involves a demonstration of the acute powers
of observation that a Lynchian federal investigator is expected to
possess.  Others most pointedly include two very debauched visits to a
club across the Canadian border that feature raunch rivaling "Blue
Velvet" and "Wild at Heart" and activities unthinkable on network TV.

Performances are solid but unremarkable across the board, and craft
contributions are very attractively similar to what was accomplished on
the small screen.  Film remains engagingly intriguing throughout most
of its slightly overlong running time, and perhaps the strangely
mesmerizing mood Lynch has orchestrated for the entire "Twin Peaks"
undertaking should not be underestimated.

But the feeling persists that, to a considerable degree, Lynch is
marking time with this project, creating new riffs and variations on
themes he had already largely worked out.

-Todd McCarthy

--
--
David E. Coufal                                          dcoufal@athena.mit.edu
 "One time I removed all the hair from a mouse with Nair-Hair just to
  see what it looked like.  And it looked beautiful." - David K. Lynch
           "Let's hear it for the vague blur." - P. K. Dick

I was watching the last 2 episodes of Twin Peaks on video the other day (again)
and I was quite confused by the Donna's dad issue.

Firstly Donna finds all the love letters and stuff....

Then at Miss Twin Peaks Ben says "Donna, your mother and I...."
to which Donna replies "You're my father" and runs off

Finally the Doctor (can't remember his name) puches Ben and
Donna hugs him while sobbing "You're my daddy" * 1000


Well.....who is the father? If it is not Ben then there are still some
interesting questions.

Also......is Ben dead, or does he just have a bump on his head.

And........is Audrey dead (PLEASE NOOOOOO!!!!!).


This all goes to prove......WE *NEED* ANOTHER SERIES!!!!!

.walt

In article <1992May28.045830.10216@cs.aukuni.ac.nz> wrum1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Walter Albert       Rumsby         ) writes: 

> >I was watching the last 2 episodes of Twin Peaks on video the other day (again)
> >and I was quite confused by the Donna's dad issue.
> >
> >Firstly Donna finds all the love letters and stuff....
> >
Weren't these love letters from Ben Horne to Eileen Hayward ?
 
> >Then at Miss Twin Peaks Ben says "Donna, your mother and I...."
> >to which Donna replies "You're my father" and runs off
> >
I for one always thought that Ben Horne was Donna's father. The last
episode was merely confirmation of this "hunch". Donna and Audrey even look
somewhat alike ... not very, but there ARE some similarities there.

> >Finally the Doctor (can't remember his name) puches Ben and
> >Donna hugs him while sobbing "You're my daddy" * 1000

The "Doctor" was actually Dr Will Hayward, Donna's "father" in the
series, ie father at least by name and who lives with Donna and her mother.
When Donna hugs him and says "You're my daddy", I think that she has just
realised that Ben actually is, but the whole situation is too horrible and
sudden for her to handle (on top of all the other stuff that's been 
happening in her life recently) and she is really saying "No ... this can't be
true ... YOU are really my Daddy aren't you ? Please say yes ..." etc.

> >Well.....who is the father? If it is not Ben then there are still some
> >interesting questions.

I'm fairly certain it is Ben, at least that's what we're led to believe.
> >
> >Also......is Ben dead, or does he just have a bump on his head.
> >
> >And........is Audrey dead (PLEASE NOOOOOO!!!!!).
> >
> >This all goes to prove......WE *NEED* ANOTHER SERIES!!!!!

For the answers to the last 3 questions, see any of the recent movie
previews posted on this group (warning: they contain spoilers !!!  :-))


See you round like a Twin Peaks donut,

Tim Hatfield
timh@extro.ucc.su.oz.au // ak530@po.cwru.edu

Well.  The BBS I use for Usenet access just started getting this
newsgroup, so please excuse me if any of the following questions have
been answered before...

Does anyone have any information re: the Twin Peaks fan club?  I joined
over a year ago (around the time that the Cooper book and Tour Guide to
TP came out), and I received my coffee mug and the three or four issues
of the TP Gazette, and then a letter explaining that they were going on
hiatus due to the cancellation of the show, but would be publishing the
Gazette sparodically during the production of the movie.  Since then...
not a word.  Can I kiss my money goodbye?  Anyone?

I would assume than some European readers of this newsgroup got a chance
to see "Fire Walk With Me" at Cannes.  So, is it really as bad as I've
been hearing?  Personally, I find it hard to imagine TP without Audrey
and with very little Agent Cooper.  Oh well.

Also... I recently saw a new Julee Cruise single on British import... is
this from the soundtrack of the new film, or from an upcoming album?


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msr@cbnews.cb.att.com (msr@cbnews.cb.att.com) writes:
: 
: In article <1992May24.000013.9786@demon.co.uk>, duncan@demon.co.uk (Duncan Brown) writes:
: > molmos@atlas.nafb.trw.com (molmos@atlas.nafb.trw.com) writes:
: > : Could someone please e-mail me a copy of the FWWM shooting script.
: > : I must have missed it when it was posted.
: > : Thanks in advance,
: > : 
: > : Mark O.
: > : molmos@atlas.nafb.trw.com
: > 
: > And me, please, or can someone point me in the direction of TP FTP sites with
: > it on.
: 
: audrey.sait.edu.au may have it. It seems to have everything else.
: 
: J.Dealwis
: 
: 

Thanks, I'll have a look.


--
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In article <1992May28.045830.10216@cs.aukuni.ac.nz> wrum1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Walter Albert       Rumsby         ) writes:
> >I was watching the last 2 episodes of Twin Peaks on video the other day (again)
> >and I was quite confused by the Donna's dad issue.

My guess is that Doc Hayward, Eileen, and Ben have some other deep dark
secret that they REALLY don't want Donna to know about -- possibly the
real circumstances behind Eileen's paralysis.  They're letting her jump
to conclusions rather than face the real truth.

Consider the other interesting point (brought up here a few months back)
that Donna's birth certificate, which doesn't list a father, lists the
mother as Eileen HAYWARD.  Not her maiden name.  Eileen's goof, or the
producers?...

> >Also......is Ben dead, or does he just have a bump on his head.

Doc's not in jail, so I guess Ben isn't dead.  Besides, Ben has to be alive
to tell the world that he saw JOSIE a couple of episodes before...

> >And........is Audrey dead (PLEASE NOOOOOO!!!!!).

Course not.  She had a contract.  :-)

> >This all goes to prove......WE *NEED* ANOTHER SERIES!!!!!

Or at least a written sequel... which brings me to another point I've sat on
for a while.  There's *STILL* no real TP fan fiction that I'm aware of.
Surely there's got to be plenty of scope for sequels, especially now that
many people know what FWWM says about the continuation (or doesn't say).
There's also space for other related stories in between the television
episodes.  (What WAS Mike Nelson up to for the two TP-weeks he was out of
our sight?  And what was going on on those three days after Leland died?)
There's a whole town out there, and the 30 or so hours of TV episodes barely
scratched the surface of what could be going on.  So where are the authors?...
> >.walt

About all this fan fiction stuff, look in the alt.tv.prisoner group,
there is som really good prisoner fiction going down there. But I look
how long ago the prisoner ended and think, maybe it'll be that long
before some goof TP fiction is begun. Of course, you could peruse the
old january hoax that is archived on audrey for some "lighter"
fiction, just keep in mind that some people really got upset about it.
BTW I'm still missing the episode that has the Major in that palm
fronded chair.
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wrum1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Walter Albert       Rumsby         ) writes:

> > Firstly Donna finds all the love letters and stuff....
> > 
> > Then at Miss Twin Peaks Ben says "Donna, your mother and I...."
> > to which Donna replies "You're my father" and runs off
> > 
> > Finally the Doctor (can't remember his name) puches Ben and
> > Donna hugs him while sobbing "You're my daddy" * 1000

This is a non-trivial distinction. To analyse it farther than the
writers probably intended, she could mean that while Ben is
> >biologically< her father, she still considers the Doctor to
be, >emotionally<, her "daddy".

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Last night (28may92) at about 5:56 pm EDT on CNN Headline News,
there was a piece on David Lynch and FWWM. At least I think so,
I was peering at it in a restaurant and the sound was off. It
showed snippets of film in machine-gun style, some of which could
have been TP and some of which have to be FWWM, since I don't
remember them. Some snippets I remember were Laura screaming in
a darkened room, a pan over a floor made of black and white zigzags,
and Cooper stepping out from behind a red curtain (Black/White Lodge?).
The first snippet shown was Julee Cruise singing at the Roadhouse.

Anyone accidentally leave their VCR running on this one?


-- Jade Walker sasjw3@unx.sas.com SAS Institute Inc. Cary, NC

|> 
|> >And........is Audrey dead (PLEASE NOOOOOO!!!!!).
|> 
|> Course not.  She had a contract.  :-)
|> 
Don't be so sure. Recall that in the bank blast scene, a pair of eyeglasses is
thrown through the air. None of the characters we know was wearing glasses at the
time. Yes, Andrew Packard often wears specs, but at the time he did not. (I don't
recall whether the bank clerk had glasses but I don't think so.) Therefore, the
glasses were either Andrew's (torn from his pocket) or those of someone at the
front of the bank. Furthermore, the vault is way at the back of the bank.  The
eyeglasses were thrown out the front. It had to have been one hell of a blast to
do this.  No one in the vault was likely to survive.

Next, consider things from a plotline.  Audrey was becoming a character of little
significance.  Audrey's chaining herself to the vault was to serve one of two
purposes. First, according to Audrey, the move was one of civil disobedience.
Since this would be completely overshadowed by the story of the explosion, Audrey's move would be rendered futile. Audrey never did anything futile. Second,
it is an excellent way for her to make an exit with a bang. (pun intended.)

Would Ms. Fenn want to leave the series? Certainly. Many new opportunities have
been opening up for her.  Heck, Kyle MacLachlan, with a much bigger role, himself
wanted out.

Face it, it was a great way for a character to leave. And remember, in Twin Peaks
EVERYBODY dies. The only character to leave without dying was James Hurley.

If you must drool over Ms. Fenn, look for her in upcoming shows.

In article <1992May29.145233.8100@bmerh2.bnr.ca>, scarlett@bnr.ca (Michael Dorotich) writes:
> >|> 
> >|> >And........is Audrey dead (PLEASE NOOOOOO!!!!!).
> >|> 
> >|> Course not.  She had a contract.  :-)
> >|> 
> >Don't be so sure. Recall that in the bank blast scene, a pair of eyeglasses is
> >thrown through the air. None of the characters we know was wearing glasses at the
> >time. Yes, Andrew Packard often wears specs, but at the time he did not. (I don't
> >recall whether the bank clerk had glasses but I don't think so.) 

Nope, Dell Mibbler, the ancient bank clerk, was indeed wearing glasses.
When I watched the tape of that episode a few weeks ago, I paid special
attention to the glasses.  Those were Mibbler's glasses that landed on
the tree branch.

By the way, I agree with you--Audrey is toast.
-- Ed Hughes, SAS Institute | "I'll stay here and take more lithium." Cary, NC | --Crow, "Women of the Prehistoric Planet," MST3000 |

I saw this piece.  They showed snippets of footage from FWWM including
a few shots of James on his bike (Oh golly like wow NOT).  They
also showed some footage from _On the Air_ which they announced would
premiere this Summer.  It looked really stupid, but I'll give it
a chance.

Scott

scarlett@bnr.ca (Michael Dorotich) writes:
> > |> 
> > |> >And........is Audrey dead (PLEASE NOOOOOO!!!!!).
> > |> 
> > |> Course not.  She had a contract.  :-)
> > |> 
> > Don't be so sure.Recall that in the bank blast scene, a pair of
> > eyeglasses is thrown through the air. None of the characters we know 
> > was wearing glasses at the time.

I'm sorry, but this is wrong.  The Bank manager was wearing glasses,
annd its his glasses we see flying through the air.  Lynch may be
random, but he isn't THAT random.  However, if we consider that its
the Bank tellers glasses that we see, we can be pretty sure that
Audrey is DEAD.

Ahhhh.... I'm in heaven with this forum [or is that "I'm in the whitelodge"?]
 
Just thought I'd tell you all about how Twin Peaks was promoted down 
here in New Zealand. [Stop me if you've heard all this before!]
 
One of our national television stations [called TV3 - original huh?] 
put these huge billboards all over the place. They had the words "Who 
Killed Laura Pamler?" and a naked maniquin wrapped in plastic attached 
to the front. Bizzare huh? 
 
Needless to say, various womens [wimyns?] groups were appalled [it made 
us all rapists/wife beaters apparaently!]
Also, a fair number of the billboards were stolen by university students 
[not guilty!], never to be seen again, except as a decoration over the 
fireplace!
 
 
As a footnote: In an interview in the Listener [sort of a TV guide 
thing here in New Zealand], Frost [author of the Cooper diary] expressed 
some amount of delight at the billboard stunt, and said that Lynch would 
approve!
 
 
                                    -Special Agent Robert Hooker.

Robert_Hooker@kcbbs.gen.nz (Robert Hooker) writes:
> >Audrey may be dead [sniff], but I think Pete "there was a fish in the
> >percolator" Martel survived the explosion. Why? Well, he survived the
> >mill fire with smoke inhalation, and this just 'added' to his character.
> >I think that Pete will once again be back in hospital, grimacing at
> >the food, and perhaps nursing singed eyebrows...

Well, given the fact that Pete was standing right in front of the
blast, and Audrey was several yards away from it, what makes you
think Pete survived while Audrey bit it?

Personally, I think that if the series continued, they'd both have
remained alive -- maybe crippled, maybe missing a limb or two.  But
who knows?

--
bvickers@ics.uci.edu | "Republicans understand the importance of
brett@ucippro.bitnet |  bondage between mother and child." - Dan Quayle

Audrey may be dead [sniff], but I think Pete "there was a fish in the 
percolator" Martel survived the explosion. Why? Well, he survived the 
mill fire with smoke inhalation, and this just 'added' to his character. 
I think that Pete will once again be back in hospital, grimacing at 
the food, and perhaps nursing singed eyebrows...
 
And yeah... it WAS the bank tellers glasses...

bvickers@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes:

> > Well, given the fact that Pete was standing right in front of the
> > blast, and Audrey was several yards away from it, what makes you
> > think Pete survived while Audrey bit it?
> > 
> > Personally, I think that if the series continued, they'd both have
> > remained alive -- maybe crippled, maybe missing a limb or two.  But
> > who knows?
> > 
 
Reading this discussion made me think of something.  It doesn't answer 
whether or not Audrey is dead, though.  Remember that David Lynch directed 
the final episode (did he write it too?  Even if not, as director he has 
the power to change the script, right?)  It is a well-known fact that 
politically, Lynch is very right-wing.  Audrey was practicing civil 
disobedience, and doing it for the sake of the environment (the Pine 
Weasel and all that).  This is something that the stereotypical 
right-winger would probably not care for.  Maybe Lynch is saying that 
had Audrey not staged her protest, she wouldn't have been anywhere near 
the bank and would have survived.  I doubt he meant anything serious by 
it, but this may have some part in the inspiration for the bank scene.
 

..

Did anybody else notice a car screeching off right before the explosion?  
Why would Lunch put that in?  Maybe there's something there.  I'm getting 
this from memory so please be gentle if I remember incorrectly.

JOSHUA TSUI
GRAPHICS WHORE

I'll be visiting Washington state this summer, and I'd like to visit the
locations where Twin Peaks was filmed.  Can anybody please e-mail me the
real-life town names, as well as any "tourist" advice on what to see?

Thanks.
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Robert_Hooker@kcbbs.gen.nz (Robert Hooker) writes:
> > Since the old waiter and the giant are 'one and the same', is it reasonably 
> > safe to assume that the Little Man and tremonts Grandson are also one 
> > and the same? Especially since they have the same hand gestures and 
> > can do 'magic'.
> >  
> > Just wondering...
> > 
 But I thought that the lmfap was MIKEs arm that he chopped off. The
one with the tattoo that was touched by the devilish one.
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I believe the traffic lights served a coupla purposes:

1. A simple, stylish break 'twixt scenes.


2. A simple symbol of impending danger (i.e. yellow=caution, red=stop
   
   there's danger in these here parts...



 "You got  a head like a bowl full of cherries."        

-d byrne



...dave

In article <5056.1539221772@kcbbs.gen.nz>, Robert_Hooker@kcbbs.gen.nz (Robert Hooker) writes:
> > Since the old waiter and the giant are 'one and the same', is it reasonably 
> > safe to assume that the Little Man and tremonts Grandson are also one 
> > and the same? Especially since they have the same hand gestures and 
> > can do 'magic'.

The parallel is faulty.  The old waiter is the real-world avatar of the giant.
The LMFAP may have a real-world avatar also, but the grandson is clearly not
a real-world character.
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Robert_Hooker@kcbbs.gen.nz (Robert Hooker) writes:
> > Since the old waiter and the giant are 'one and the same', is it reasonably 
> > safe to assume that the Little Man and tremonts Grandson are also one 
> > and the same? Especially since they have the same hand gestures and 
> > can do 'magic'.

mfrazer@scott.skidmore.edu (Matthew Frazer) writes:
> > But I thought that the lmfap was MIKEs arm that he chopped off. The
> >one with the tattoo that was touched by the devilish one.

  I thought that TLMFAP was inside of Leland Palmer, together with BOB.
 Don't forget that Leland and Laura are always talking about "them", when
 they refer to the dugpa's. TLMFAP dances, talks about the chewing gum, etc,
 just like Leland. Doesn't he say the blond haired girl (Laura/Maddy) in the
 waiting room is his cousin ?
  Just another thought,
                                     Henk.

--
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Internet: henk@cs.vu.nl                 Faculteit Informatica  kamer S4.10
Phone:    +31 20 548 6218

In article <Bn73nz.MJq@world.std.com>, fuzzbox@world.std.com (Heavenly Metal) writes...
> >In article <11084@chalmers.se> d1gunnar@dtek.chalmers.se (Gunnar Andersson) writes:
>> >>al.bbs@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes:
>> >>
>>> >>>any other TP samples floatig around?
>> >>
>> >>Well, there's some Techno-song starting off with the famous chord progression
>> >>(3 string chords played kinda like : 1,2,3,2).  It is played a couple of times
>> >>with no percussion or anything and then the song blasts into a regular
>> >>techno-pace.
>> >>
> > 
> >Don't forget "Build A Fire" by the KLF. It uses the "Dum Dumm..." sound
>from the TP theme song. And don't forget the TP reference in the title...
> > 
> >Jason Bilsky   fuzzbox@world.std.com
Another Twin Peaks sample:
A year or so ago I bought a cassette single containing remixes
from Sinead O'Connor's last album "I Do Not Want What I Haven't 
Got."  On one side were two mixes of "I Am Stretched On Your
Grave", a traditional Irish song (I'm pretty sure) tthat Sinead
added a hip-hop back beat to (don't knock it till you've heard it-
it came out quite well!).

Anyway, the first remix starts off with familiar sounds: a woman's
seductive, gentle voice, apparently speaking backwards.  Eventually
I realized what she was saying...

"I feel like I know her, but sometimes my arms bend back."


Why the DJs chose to add this Laura Pallmer sample to the remix,
I don't know.  Possibly because the lyrics are about mourning
for a dead girl...   Acccording to the liner, a couple of the
guys from Dee-Lite were involved; maybe they're TP fans...

Max Clarke
TRAVELER

Hell! I forgot all about the fact Ben Horne spins around and looks at 
something... damn! I have to watch the series again!

Again, this has probably been discussed, BUT, I have an argument or 
three to settle witha few friends...
 
Do the traffics lights [presumably on SparkWood and Main] have anything 
to do with what may have been said by charactors moments earlier? I 
can see a few instances where things fit... but others where things 
dont. Am I reading too much into Lynchs' incidental 'freaky bits'?

Since the old waiter and the giant are 'one and the same', is it reasonably 
safe to assume that the Little Man and tremonts Grandson are also one 
and the same? Especially since they have the same hand gestures and 
can do 'magic'.
 
Just wondering...

Hm.  I'd always thought that it was the Little Man and the Giant who
were one and the same, not the giant and the waiter.

bvickers@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes:

> > Personally, I think that if the series continued, they'd both have
> > remained alive -- maybe crippled, maybe missing a limb or two.  But
> > who knows?

Hmmm... maybe "Boxing Helena" is a TP sequel!
--
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In <1992Jun1.163854.20869@ils.nwu.edu> tsui@ils.nwu.edu (joshua tsui) writes:

> >Did anybody else notice a car screeching off right before the explosion?  
> >Why would Lunch put that in?  Maybe there's something there.  I'm getting 
> >this from memory so please be gentle if I remember incorrectly.

> >JOSHUA TSUI
> >GRAPHICS WHORE

Just before the safety deposit box is opened the phone rings at Twin Peaks S&L.
The security guard answers and says..."IT'S A BOY" (I think).
He then runs out of the S&L.

I always assumed that the car was the security guard racing off to the
hospital to see his newborn. Of course, I could be wrong.

:Walt

Does anyone out there have any GIFS on Twin Peaks???
If you do could you please e-mail them. Especially one of Audrey.

Also What other films is Sherilyn Fenn in??
I have seen the appearance in Wild at Heart (Crap film :-)
and Two Moon Junction (ooohhh :-)

Also if there are 
Time Lines still out there Could some one send me them??

Thanks in advance.

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Did you have a good world when you died?
 Enough to base a movie on?  "                                --Jim Morrison

         Re: Who died and Donna's Birth Certificate

         Possible Reasons I. Hayward  appears as Mother's Maiden  name 
         on Donna's birth certificate:
              Hayward is her maiden name,  and Doc took her name  when 
         they married (liberated guy!)
              Hayward  is  her  maiden  name,  and  coincidentally she 
         married someone whose last name was Hayward.
              They were related before thay married (gross!).
              Script screw-up.
              Doc Hayward has married his adopted daughter.

         I'm sure there are a zillion other scenarios.

         Who died:

         Consider  that  this  was  the  last episode, so Lynch really 
         could have killed off everyone if he wanted.  

         The  decrepit bank clerk was  indeed wearing glasses when the 
         bank exploded.  Since he was on his way out of the vault, ie. 
         probably near Audrey,  I think Pete,  Andrew, Audrey and  all 
         bank personnel are history, man. Don't you think that this is 
         why   Audrey finally  was de-virginized?  Even Lynch couldn't 
         handle the waste of someone as vital as Audrey dying chaste.

         Doc does  appear in the last scene to examine Cooper/Bob, but 
         this  is not conclusive evidence  that he didn't accidentally 
         murder Ben Horn. Think about the blood on Ben's head:
              Maddie gets her head bashed in-she's dead.
              Leland/Bob smashes  its head  while in  custody. Bob  is 
         released. Leland is dead.
              Cooper/Bob  smashes  its  head  in  the last ever scene. 
         Cooper  is  dead  or  trapped  in  the  black lodge. (I think 
         trapped.) 
              ie.  The  smashed  forehead  is  pretty symbolic in this 
         series and since Bob is in Cooper, now, I think Ben is dead.
              Perhaps  Doc's out  on bail,  or there  hasn't even been 
         time to report the crime, or given his position in this small 
         community,  it's just assumed that  it was accidental. If you 
         live in  a small  town, I  think you'll  agree that  they are 
         often as corrupt as Washington, DC!
              Also, given the  information on Doc's temper in the last 
         episode, and the fact that Donna's mom is not in a wheelchair 
         in the  photos in the attic, maybe Doc  put her there when he 
         found  out that she and Ben  were doing the horizontal mambo. 
         If he did, he didn't get jail time for that, so....
              Also: When Annie  comes back from  the black lodge,  she 
         has  blood  all  over  her  face,  but  I can't see a smashed 
         forehead when I freeze the action. So, is that  Annie, or her 
         shadow-self? If it's her shadow-self, she and Cooper/Bob will 
         certainly make Twin Peaks' mortality rate higher than that of 
         Cabot  Cove,  ME!  If  it's  really  her,  she  could go on a 
         spiritual   quest  to  save  Coop.   She  certainly  has  the 
         background for spiritual investigation.  How's Annie?

         My final  Theory: Lynch  and the  cast were  pissed off at TV 
         politics  enough to  kill off  enough characters  that the TV 
         whore-execs would  never be able to revive the show. Is there 
         really any place on network TV for Twin Peaks when No Brainer 
         Full-House-type shows are top rated?

In article <1992Jun2.122516.14877@pdn.paradyne.com> pitchon@paradyne.com (Howard Pitchon) writes:
[re "Eileen Hayward" on Donna's birth certificate]

> >         I'm sure there are a zillion other scenarios.

Here's an easy one.  Will and Eileen Hayward were separated at the time of
Donna's birth.  She was legally married, hence using her married name, but
she didn't want this man who'd left her to be recorded on her daughter's
birth certificate.

This would explain why Will wouldn't tell Donna what was going on -- he
wouldn't want his daughter to think of him as the kind of guy to run out
on his wife.  Of course, it could be that he left her over her affair with
Ben, but it's still my gut feeling that the motives run deeper than that.
It could be that Ben knows the truth about how Eileen got paralyzed... and
perhaps that Will's to blame, which would be even more of a reason for Will
not to want him involved at all.

On the other hand, maybe it was Will who had the affair with Ben...  :-)

> >         Who died:

> >         Doc does  appear in the last scene to examine Cooper/Bob, but 
> >         this  is not conclusive evidence  that he didn't accidentally 
> >         murder Ben Horn. Think about the blood on Ben's head:
> >              Cooper/Bob  smashes  its  head  in  the last ever scene. 
> >         Cooper  is  dead  or  trapped  in  the  black lodge. (I think 
> >         trapped.) 
> >              ie.  The  smashed  forehead  is  pretty symbolic in this 
> >         series and since Bob is in Cooper, now, I think Ben is dead.

I think it could be symbolic in a different way than you intend -- perhaps
that Ben too could be possessed.  Think about it.  Ben's a bad man who has
seen the light and changed.  Does the name "MIKE" ring a bell?

For the record, a while back someone posted the director's notes for the
last episode, and it referred to the scene summary as Ben getting knocked
UNCONSCIOUS, not killed.

> >              Also, given the  information on Doc's temper in the last 
> >         episode, and the fact that Donna's mom is not in a wheelchair 
> >         in the  photos in the attic, maybe Doc  put her there when he 
> >         found  out that she and Ben  were doing the horizontal mambo. 
> >         If he did, he didn't get jail time for that, so....

Or we don't KNOW he had jail time.  Just because they never mentioned it...

In article <13657@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@lucy.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:
[deletions]
> > Here's an easy one.  Will and Eileen Hayward were separated at the time of
> > Donna's birth.  She was legally married, hence using her married name, but
> > she didn't want this man who'd left her to be recorded on her daughter's
> > birth certificate.

Sorry, Jon. The main point is that the line on the certificate was labeled
'Mothers Maiden Name'. There is no reason for her not to fill that in
correctly, regardless of how she feels about either her husband or the
baby's father.  Personally, I think someone simply goofed. The point they
were interested in making was that the father's name was not filled in. 
Whoever made up the prop, probably just wasn't paying attention.

Anyone got a copy of their birth certificate handy? Check and see if that
sort of line (mother's maiden name) is on it, and if there is also a line
for the mother's legal name.

-Rich

I am obviously not a fan of twin peaks, but
can someone give me the name of the actress
who plays Audrey anyway?  Thanks.

-george

I got into watching twin peaks--rented from tower records--and am
wondering if there are any fans out there who have the episodes 
recorded and would perhaps lend them out.  I only got to see the 
first seven episodes and would just love to see more.

        -chaos

I apologize if this has been posted already... _Entertainment
Weekly_ says that David Lynch has a half-hour weekly drama
to being this fall on HBO entitled _The Hotel_ (not to be confused
with ABC's _On the Air_).  Apparently,
the story for each episode will occur in the same place but at
different times.  One of the writers is ___ McInerney-- I'm doing
this from memory.

_EW_ also includes TP:FWWM with a short description and some comments
in their summer movie preview section under "August" (yes, we
already know about the U.S. August date, but it's the most official
looking listing of the release date I've seen so far).

Rocky Giovinazzo

hi there

jblum@lucy.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:

> >In article <1992Jun2.122516.14877@pdn.paradyne.com> pitchon@paradyne.com (Howard Pitchon) writes:
> >[re "Eileen Hayward" on Donna's birth certificate]

>> >>         I'm sure there are a zillion other scenarios.

> >Here's an easy one.  Will and Eileen Hayward were separated at the time of
> >Donna's birth.  She was legally married, hence using her married name, but
> >she didn't want this man who'd left her to be recorded on her daughter's
> >birth certificate.

Why would she put her married name in the space for her maiden name.
Matbe things are different in the US but in the UK there is a space
for the family name, the father's first names, the mothers first names
and the mothers maiden name. I think this is also how it was when I
noticed it, but I will have to go an check it out again.

Donald

In article <1992Jun2.223134.14254@nntp.uoregon.edu>, rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:
> > ... The main point is that the line on [Donna's] certificate was labeled
> > 'Mothers Maiden Name'. There is no reason for her not to fill that in
> > correctly, regardless of how she feels about either her husband or the
> > baby's father.  Personally, I think someone simply goofed. The point they
> > were interested in making was that the father's name was not filled in. 
> > Whoever made up the prop, probably just wasn't paying attention.

Has anyone raised the possibility that Will and Eileen Hayward 
were brother and sister, and thus that the entry for "Mother's 
Maiden Name" on Donna's birth certificate was accurate?

Perhaps Will really is Donna's daddy and Ben somehow found out
about it, thus the less-than-cordial relationship between Will
and Ben precipitating Ben's nasty headache.

This might also go a long ways toward explaining why the field
which is supposed to contain the father's name on the certifi-
cate was left blank.

Just a thought...

Steve Bruun

Still learning how to use Mail...not sure if I can get a Subject title up.

Anyway,I am a big Twin Peaks fan from South Australia, who watched the WHOLE
series (many here didn't after they found out 'Who killed Laura Palmer"!).
I enjoy reading everyones postings on the series and the movie which I can't
wait to see...Although according to some of you it may not be worth seeing!!??

It's probably been asked before but as I'm new please stay with me...

1. Anyone have a list of good quotes from the series they can post!!
2. Anyone have any 'solid info. on whether there is a possibility of a new
   series?
3. Any other information I might have missed also would be really appreciated
   (e.g fan clubs, new books, videos etc.)

O.K., got to go now, look forward to hearing from anyone, meanwhile I will
continue to read your postings and enjoy!

Daniel here from Australia.

Just a few questions:

Who is this "Imfap" I keep hearing of...Is he meant to be the 'magic' grandson?

Someone earlier said Imfap (is this a name?) was Mike's chopped off arm??

By the way, call me ignorant if you will, but I can't recall why Mike only
ended up with one arm...did he chop it off??

Looking forward to your replys...

mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie (Nascent Virion.....) writes:

> > Also What other films is Sherilyn Fenn in??
> > I have seen the appearance in Wild at Heart (Crap film :-)
> > and Two Moon Junction (ooohhh :-)
> > 

She's also in a kind of horror film called "Kiss of the Beast,"
I believe, that pops up (along with other things) on Cinemax
now and then.  It features some nudity (mostly of her co-star
but she's definately in there too) and is a bad, but watchable,
90 minutes.


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Is there anyone from COOP out there in Net land....

MY wife and daughter ordered T-shirts from coop almost a YEAR ago, and
have NOT got them!!!

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\\\///    Amiga 2500 - TeleBit T2500
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In article <1992Jun3.200812.22172@cbnewsd.cb.att.com>, miata@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (steve.bruun) writes:
> > Has anyone raised the possibility that Will and Eileen Hayward 
> > were brother and sister, and thus that the entry for "Mother's 
> > Maiden Name" on Donna's birth certificate was accurate?
> > 
> > Perhaps Will really is Donna's daddy and Ben somehow found out
> > about it, thus the less-than-cordial relationship between Will
> > and Ben precipitating Ben's nasty headache.

My original take was that they were brother and sister, Ben was
Donna's father, and Doc decided to masquerade as man and wife because
1) the illegimate birth was considered shameful, or
2) just having Ben as the father was considered shameful enough.

The problem is, that doesn't explain the other daughter (unless she's
adopted).  It also raises the question of whether Doc and Eileen
grew up in Twin Peaks or moved there (in the former case, the
masquerade isn't really an option).
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In article <17692.2a2e37f0@levels.unisa.edu.au>, 9207987h@levels.unisa.edu.au writes:
> > Who is this "Imfap" I keep hearing of...Is he meant to be the 'magic' grandson?

It's LMFAP:  Little Man From Another Place (the midget).

> > Someone earlier said Imfap (is this a name?) was Mike's chopped off arm??

This was a "spoiler" from someone who has seen the upcoming movie.

> > By the way, call me ignorant if you will, but I can't recall why Mike only
> > ended up with one arm...did he chop it off??

(inaccurate quote from memory, from Cooper's dream scene)

"I, too, was touched by the devilish one,
A tattoo on the left shoulder.
[It said, "Fire, Walk With Me"](?)
But then I saw the face of God.
I took the entire arm off."
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I too haven't got my COOP shirt, even though my cashed check came back
before the new year.  I tried calling Keith Poston (who's number is
listed in the cribsheet.txt file at audrey.level.unisa.edu.au in the TP
directory as the COOP contact).  I got an answering machine and left
my number, but haven't heard a thing from him in a week.  I'll try again
from work tomorrow...

John Schultz (caffeine abuser)  !  ABC killed Laura Palmer
c491153@umcvmb.bitnet           !  Macintosh-free and proud of it!
c491153@umcvmb.missouri.edu     !  Subscriber to the hacker ethic

Hi,

In article <3606@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) 
writes:
> >
> >   In article <17692.2a2e37f0@levels.unisa.edu.au>, 
> >   9207987h@levels.unisa.edu.au writes:
> >   > Someone earlier said Imfap (is this a name?) was Mike's chopped off arm??
> >
> >   This was a "spoiler" from someone who has seen the upcoming movie.
> >
I saw the movie but didn't get that.



I read this in rec.art.comics and thougth you could be interested:

 >--------------------------------------------------------------<

From: ntprlr@eskimo.celestial.com (Eric Stenson)
Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
Subject: Re: Superheroines talk show
Date: 3 Jun 92 13:52:56 GMT
Organization: The Ghost in the Shell

In article <BoxG9K.GCp@acsu.buffalo.edu> jap@acsu.buffalo.edu 
(James A. Perreault) writes:
> >
> >I think there is one non-powered female leader I'm missing.  Can anyone
> >complete the list?
> >

Well, I don't know if this qualifies, but what about "Agent Cooper" in
X-Factor?  I believe she's leading X-Factor right now (although, in combat,
Alex seems to be sort of in charge...but that's another matter).  I forget
what her first name is...she's supposedly the sister of the Agent Cooper out
of _Twin Peaks_.  A lot of the first issues of the New-and-Improved X-Factor
was spent making allusions to this relation.

 >--------------------------------------------------------------<
(i don't remember the autobiography, has he a sister?)

--Manuel@Japan

jblum@lucy.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:

> > I think it could be symbolic in a different way than you intend -- perhaps
> > that Ben too could be possessed.  Think about it.  Ben's a bad man who has
> > seen the light and changed.  Does the name "MIKE" ring a bell?

Not >that's< interesting! One possible bug: Were MIKE and Ben ever seen
together? It looks like one of the game rules (as it were) is that the
posessor and posessee can't be in different places...
--
"Go to an extreme and then retreat to a more useful position"  --  Brian Eno
Joe Zitt        ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe         (512)450-1916

pitchon@paradyne.com (Howard Pitchon) writes:

> >                                 I think Pete,  Andrew, Audrey and  all
> >          bank personnel are history, man. Don't you think that this is 
> >          why   Audrey finally  was de-virginized?  Even Lynch couldn't 
> >          handle the waste of someone as vital as Audrey dying chaste.
> > 
       Good point!

> >               ie.  The  smashed  forehead  is  pretty symbolic in this 
> >          series and since Bob is in Cooper, now, I think Ben is dead.
> >               Perhaps  Doc's out  on bail,  or there  hasn't even been 
> >          time to report the crime, or given his position in this small 
> >          community,  it's just assumed that  it was accidental. If you 
> >          live in  a small  town, I  think you'll  agree that  they are 
> >          often as corrupt as Washington, DC!
 
       Another good point!  And one that I think the writers of Twin 
       Peaks (and Lynch/Frost) did not ignore! 

> >          My final  Theory: Lynch  and the  cast were  pissed off at TV 
> >          politics  enough to  kill off  enough characters  that the TV 
> >          whore-execs would  never be able to revive the show. Is there 
> >          really any place on network TV for Twin Peaks when No Brainer 
> >          Full-House-type shows are top rated? 

     Here I diagree.  It is well known that the writers were having a 
hard time juggling all the characters and subplots of the show.  They 
WANTED to kill of some characters in order to expand on others.  This is 
part of making a series last.  The one interesting character in all of 
this is Cooper.  But that isn't enough to base a TV series on.  The 
writers were preparing (in vain) for a long stay in Twin Peaks.  Thats 
why all the carnage!

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*   Well people you ain't even got no kind of deal at all!              * 
*   'Cuz what they do in Washington -      ****************************** 
*   they just takes care of Number One.    *  John Atwell, Midiline,    * 
*   (And Number One ain't you...           *  Canoga Park, California,  * 
*    you ain't even number two...)"        *  USA (It CAN happen here!) * 
** FRANK ZAPPA for President ********************************************

In article <MJ1078.92Jun5124214@taurus01.taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp>, mj1078@taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp (mmanuel pece) writes...

} I read this in rec.art.comics and thougth you could be interested:

} >--------------------------------------------------------------<

} From: ntprlr@eskimo.celestial.com (Eric Stenson)
} Newsgroups: rec.arts.comics
}
Subject: Re: Superheroines talk show

} Well, I don't know if this qualifies, but what about "Agent Cooper" in
} X-Factor? I believe she's leading X-Factor right now (although, in combat,
} Alex seems to be sort of in charge...but that's another matter). I forget
} what her first name is...she's supposedly the sister of the Agent Cooper
} out of _Twin Peaks_. A lot of the first issues of the New-and-Improved
} X-Factor was spent making allusions to this relation.

} >--------------------------------------------------------------<
} (i don't remember the autobiography, has he a sister?)

I haven't been reading X-FACTOR, so I have no idea what Peter David is
trying to do concerning this "relationship", but there has been a US
government agent (worked for the NSA, if I recall correctly) named
Valerie Cooper who's appeared in the Marvel Mutant books for years,
long before TWIN PEAKS came on the tube.

If Peter's trying to suggest that she is Dale Cooper's sister, then it's
his invention, no one else's.

-- "I want you to form a team of the most brilliant minds in network television." "Well, now, isn't that a contradiction in terms?" --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com

Daniel,

I think you're refering to the _L_MFAP (not IMFAP), aka Little Man
from Another Place, aka the dancing, backwards talking dwarf.

Have fun,


Uncle Matty

In article <sFPVLB3w163w@zitt> joe@zitt (Joe Zitt) writes:
> >jblum@lucy.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:
>> >> I think it could be symbolic in a different way than you intend -- perhaps
>> >> that Ben too could be possessed.  Think about it.  Ben's a bad man who has
>> >> seen the light and changed.  Does the name "MIKE" ring a bell?

> >Not >that's< interesting! One possible bug: Were MIKE and Ben ever seen
> >together? It looks like one of the game rules (as it were) is that the
> >posessor and posessee can't be in different places...

Yes, they were in the same room at the beginning of #2007, when Coop and
the one-armed man were searching for BOB at the Great Northern.  Ben
walks into the room, and the OAM clutches at his amputated arm, falls
to the floor, thrashes and passes out.

Interesting, no?

Personally, I don't think MIKE was always in Ben -- I think he either
entered him at the time he decided to change his ways, after his little
"attack" at the end of the Civil War plotline, or is only just entering him
in the final episode, now that Ben is a suitable/sympathetic host for this
spirit.

The spirits do seem to bond with hosts that match their personality --
Leland is clearly unstable even when he's not under BOB's direct control,
for example, and Laura can be wanton and destructive on her own, according
to Bobby's discussion with Jacoby in the first season.

Just thoughts...

In article <64488.1509227962@kcbbs.gen.nz> Robert_Hooker@kcbbs.gen.nz (Robert Hooker) writes:

   One of our national television stations [called TV3 - original huh?] 
   put these huge billboards all over the place. They had the words "Who 
   Killed Laura Pamler?" and a naked maniquin wrapped in plastic attached 
   to the front. Bizzare huh? 

   Needless to say, various womens [wimyns?] groups were appalled [it made 
   us all rapists/wife beaters apparaently!]

Well, I'm tempted to just let this go by rather than risk starting up
a discussion that may or may not belong here, but in fact, while it no
doubt engendered tremendous publicity for the show, as a woman I would
feel rather offended by something like that, particularly in a public
place where I had not made the choice to see it.  I enjoyed Twin Peaks
and watched all the episodes, and, while it did seem to be the case
that Lynch was overly fascinated with showing women as victims
of violence, it was generally done in a way that was fairly serious
and frequently quite moving.  It is one thing to see an image of a
woman's body being pulled from the water by men who are clearly
horrified at what they are seeing, and quite another to see the same
theme portrayed in a commercial context with the woman downgraded
to a mannequin.

   Also, a fair number of the billboards were stolen by university students 
   [not guilty!], never to be seen again, except as a decoration over the 
   fireplace!

Yes, and I can imagine the comments they provoke during beer parties...

   As a footnote: In an interview in the Listener [sort of a TV guide 
   thing here in New Zealand], Frost [author of the Cooper diary] expressed 
   some amount of delight at the billboard stunt, and said that Lynch would 
   approve!

Well, as I said above, it undoubtedly raised a great deal of interest
in the show before it was shown, which would be beneficial to him.  It
also has a very macabre quality to it which would appeal to him as
well.  And, since Lynch's female characters never seem to me to be
fully drawn, but rather some dark or bright projection of a male image
of women, the depersonalization of the female victim would presumably
not bother him.  Nor would he particularly care how I feel about it,
not that I would expect him to.

Barb Miller

(Can't e-mail to you, Joe; it comes back...)

In article <sFPVLB3w163w@zitt>, joe@zitt (Joe Zitt) writes:
> > Not >that's< interesting! One possible bug: Were MIKE and Ben ever seen
> > together? It looks like one of the game rules (as it were) is that the
> > posessor and posessee can't be in different places...

Well, yes, but I don't see what that has to do with anything.

There was the scene where they brought Gerard into the Great Northern to
point out who BOB was possessing.  As Ben came in, Gerard collapsed.  Later
on, they were again separated when Gerard was in the hospital bed.  Of
course, MIKE was possessing Gerard at the time, not Ben.

On the other hand, BOB was seen in all sorts of places where Leland wasn't.
Crawling across the couch at Maddie, crouched at the bottom of Laura's
bed, in Cooper's dreams, in the grove, etc.  I mean, after all, he's a
spirit and he can only show up in visions anyway, so "where" he is is a
meaningless question.
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Rocky J Giovinazzo <giovin@risky.ecs.umass.edu> writes:

Rocky> different times.  One of the writers is ___ McInerney-- I'm
Rocky> doing this from memory.

Jay McInerney, by any chance?  The author of _Bright Lights, Big
City_, _Ransom_, _Story of My Life_, and _Brightness Falls_?

If so, sounds good to me!


--
Sam Hill Cabal, DS   tsdavies@mailbox.syr.edu
"It don't matter, Sail, ... Could be worse.  The fam'ly might be donatin' the
proceeds to the Cath'lic Church, or the Mormons or somethin'.  One cult's the
same as another." -- Lula Pace Ripley, in "Consuelo's Kiss".

Hey there!
 
Its "LMFAP" [not "IMFAP"], and it stands for Little Man From Another 
Place... [he was the midget in the red suit!]

There are a fair few theories on who he[it?] really was. *I* think him 
and the grandson [in the black suit] were the same... but we'll rpbably 
never find out for sure!

For those of you who didn't know, Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me opened here
in France on Wednesday June 3. Of course, I saw it on the opening day and
absolutely loved it. Now, someone posted a timeline for the movie after its
Japanese release and said that the LMFAP's last line at the lodge is something
like "we want our garmonbozia(corn)." The French subtitles, however, said
"garmonbozia(douleur et ???)," (I forgot the the second thing), where douleur
means pain. Hmm. Has anybody else who's seen this noticed that you can't hear
a word of what's being said in the bar scene or at the time of the murder?
Thank god for subtitles.

Jon

Anybody got any ideas about the "electricity" thing?

In article <La1TLB1w165w@midiline.la.ca.us>, nickn@midiline.la.ca.us (nick nelson) writes:
> > mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie (Nascent Virion.....) writes:
> > 
>> >> Also What other films is Sherilyn Fenn in??
>> >> I have seen the appearance in Wild at Heart (Crap film :-)

I thought it was good!

>> >> and Two Moon Junction (ooohhh :-)
>> >> 
> > 
> > She's also in a kind of horror film called "Kiss of the Beast,"
> > I believe, that pops up (along with other things) on Cinemax
> > now and then.  It features some nudity (mostly of her co-star
> > but she's definately in there too) and is a bad, but watchable,
> > 90 minutes.
> > 

Also the just released Ruby about Jack Ruby et al.

iain

> > 
> > -----
> > nickn@midiline.la.ca.us (nick nelson) 
> > MIDILine BBS (midiline.la.ca.us) - Altadena CA - (818)797-3285

In article <13577@umd5.umd.edu> jblum@lucy.umd.edu (Jon Blum) writes:
> >In article <1992May28.045830.10216@cs.aukuni.ac.nz> wrum1@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Walter Albert       Rumsby         ) writes:
>> >>I was watching the last 2 episodes of Twin Peaks on video the other day (again)
>> >>and I was quite confused by the Donna's dad issue.
> >
> >My guess is that Doc Hayward, Eileen, and Ben have some other deep dark
> >secret that they REALLY don't want Donna to know about -- possibly the
> >real circumstances behind Eileen's paralysis.  They're letting her jump
> >to conclusions rather than face the real truth.
> >
> >Consider the other interesting point (brought up here a few months back)
> >that Donna's birth certificate, which doesn't list a father, lists the
> >mother as Eileen HAYWARD.  Not her maiden name.  Eileen's goof, or the
> >producers?...
> >

I suppose Eileen could have had an affair with Ben while married to Doc H.
I can't remember seeing/hearing that Donna was born/concieved out of wedlock !?


Neil

In article <La1TLB1w165w@midiline.la.ca.us>, nickn@midiline.la.ca.us (nick nel writes...
> >mcdonghj@unix2.tcd.ie (Nascent Virion.....) writes:
> > 
>> >> Also What other films is Sherilyn Fenn in??
>> >> I have seen the appearance in Wild at Heart (Crap film :-)
>> >> and Two Moon Junction (ooohhh :-)
>> >> 
> > 
> >She's also in a kind of horror film called "Kiss of the Beast,"
> >I believe, that pops up (along with other things) on Cinemax
> >now and then.  It features some nudity (mostly of her co-star
> >but she's definately in there too) and is a bad, but watchable,
> >90 minutes.
> > 
> > 
> >-----
> >nickn@midiline.la.ca.us (nick nelson) 
> >MIDILine BBS (midiline.la.ca.us) - Altadena CA - (818)797-3285

Also next month, she is coming out in a video release called (I think) HEAVEN
AND HELL MOTEL.  I don't know how good (or bad) it will be.  I work for a 
video company and I saw it as one of the new releases.


Women want it.....
they want it all the time.....
they want it anywhere.....
but, perhaps not with you.

Alena-----BESTR1070@BESTSD.SDSU.EDU

In article <1992Jun5.074323.28541@engage.pko.dec.com>, boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place) writes:
> > I haven't been reading X-FACTOR, so I have no idea what Peter David is
> > trying to do concerning this "relationship", but there has been a US
> > government agent (worked for the NSA, if I recall correctly) named
> > Valerie Cooper who's appeared in the Marvel Mutant books for years,
> > long before TWIN PEAKS came on the tube.

That's the same character.

> > If Peter's trying to suggest that she is Dale Cooper's sister, then it's
> > his invention, no one else's.

Also true.  Peter David is very given to inserting "in-jokes" in his writings,
and this is one of them.

Gary W. Olson                    "It's not true unless it makes you laugh,
SWEDE@DRYCAS.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU      but it's not true unlesss it makes you
suddenly and without warning      cry."                   ("Illuminatus!")

In article <1992Jun6.091023.16059@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> 
goldman@spot.Colorado.EDU (GOLDMAN MARTIN V) writes:

> >   For those of you who didn't know, Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me opened here
> >   in France on Wednesday June 3. Of course, I saw it on the opening day and
> >   absolutely loved it. Now, someone posted a timeline for the movie after its
> >   Japanese release and said that the LMFAP's last line at the lodge is 
> >   something like "we want our garmonbozia(corn)." 
> >   The French subtitles, however, said
> >   "garmonbozia(douleur et ???)," (I forgot the the second thing), where 
> >   douleur means pain. Hmm. 

I posted that timeline. I didn't understand what they said in the movie, 
so i left it as it was in the script someone posted.

> >   Has anybody else who's seen this noticed that you can't hear
> >   a word of what's being said in the bar scene or at the time of the murder?
> >   Thank god for subtitles.

That's true. The problem is that the subtitles here are in japanese, 
and i can't read them

> >   Anybody got any ideas about the "electricity" thing?

What electricity ?

By the way, i have a little problem with the timeline:
 Leland tells Laura that he went home "last friday", but actually it was
on day 2, that is saturday.
 I also don't remember when does Laura see the angel disappearing from the
picture that is in her bedroom.

--Manuel@Japan