Season 2, Episodes 21–22: Miss Twin Peaks / Beyond Life and Death — June 10, 1991–August 27, 1992

Here's another vote for On The Air.  Frankly I wasn't expecting much, and 
the 1st half was somewhat slow (but in that campy, Lynch-Frost-y way).
But the last half made up for it!  The picture of Ian Buchanan's 
character, totally composed, hanging upside-down by his ankles, selling 
dog food while swinging back and forth, was unbelievably funny.  Lynch 
and Frost are about to create another Universe for us, and I'm ready to 
dive in again.

By the way, this was created by Frost and Lynch, I hope we all noticed.  
Wasn't TP created by Lynch and Frost?

I assume that what we saw WAS the pilot.  Thus it demonstrated the flavor 
more than any real plotline.  Also, I heard that someone at the network 
nixed the idea of having a sound-effects operator who is blind, thus the 
when we meet Blinky a voice over (added later) tells us he is "suffering 
from Bozeman's Simplex".  TV Guide's Jeff Jarvis says "apparenly to 
render him inoffensive".  I suppose, but I still think that this kind of 
indirect censorship dulls the flavor a bit.  However, NOW the writers 
have a device to introduce even more of Lynch's wierd "visions".  I was 
fascinated by what Blinky actually sees!  After all, he actually sees 
"25.62 times more" than the average visual director would!

Kinda like Cooper's dreams and visions were a device for the same thing!

It looks like we've got a(nother) hit on our hands!

One last thing...we had better start thinking about what to call this 
newsgroup after the TP:FWWM movies finishes it's rounds.  Face it, TP is 
most likely through.  And even if it does pop up again somehow, life goes 
on...why not call it lynch.frost?  Then it will have a broader base, and 
we can include projects by both men, separately and together.

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johnatwe@midiline.la.ca.us (John atwell) writes:

> >One last thing...we had better start thinking about what to call this 
> >newsgroup after the TP:FWWM movies finishes it's rounds.  Face it, TP is 
> >most likely through.  And even if it does pop up again somehow, life goes 
> >on...why not call it lynch.frost?  Then it will have a broader base, and 
> >we can include projects by both men, separately and together.

Oh...let's not write off TWIN PEAKS!  But I do agree with renaming the
group.  I think it should, to be true to it's content, be called
ALT.FAN.DAVID-LYNCH or ALT.TV.LYNCH-FROST.  I don't think it'd be much
trouble at all....but then again, I don't know net-rules regarding
creating/renaming an ALT group.
 
I don't want to start a huge discussion on this...but I guess it might
be inevitable.  I'm sure we could still keep ALT.TV.TWIN-PEAKS and just
ADD the Lynch/Frost group...anyone got a better idea of the dynamics?
 
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Summer Storm needs to know the publisher of the infamous Cooper
Diary or Cooper Tapes or something like that.  Apparently, in this
area of the country, most book stores do not know their owls from
a hole in the ground.  Can you help?
Please respond via this newsgroup.  Thank you.

Well, I hate to be the lone voice crying in the wilderness, but I thought On The Air
was terrible.  I laughed twice (maybe three times).  My wife and I were very disappointed!!

Frost/Lynch are at their funniest when they are serious.  Most of what they have done
has some of the most humorous scenes I have ever seen!  This attempt at comedy fell flat
for me (IMHO).

Anyway, the rumors are already hot and heavy as to the demise of On The Air.  I for
one will not be sad to see it go.  I hope David Lynch and Co. continue to bring us
the best in entertainment that pushes our imaginations to the limit, but this is not
one of them.

Please, no flames, just useful discussion...

Carlos Valcarcel

In article <125kqkINNr3t@agate.berkeley.edu>, sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes...

} Hey does anyone have a cast/actor list for the show?

Not I. Many of the names are unfamiliar to me, so I don't know who played
what characters for some of the case. There were three TWIN PEAKS alumni:
Miguel Ferrer, Ian Buchanan, and David L. Lander. Two other "knowns" to me
were Tracey Walter and Marvin Kaplan.

} Also, how many episode were made?

Six.

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The birds in the tree... (la la la la la la la la la la la la)
They sing merrily... (la la la la la la la la la la la la)
With a tweedle-dee-for-you... (la la la la la la la la la la la la)
And a tweedle-dee-for me... (la la la la la la la la la la la la)

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I have to say I thought "On The Air" was really stupid. Most of the
sight gags were terribly corny, the heavy accent of the producer was
not particularly amusing, and on the whole the level of the humor
was about junior-high.

But, Oh! You could spot it as Lynch's work just by the way the
shots were framed, the lighting, studied stupidity of the stupid
characters, etc. I guess what intriegues me so much is that Lynch's
special touch is composed of all these facets, but no one of them --
it's almost intangible.  

Fascinating!

In article <4154@transfer.stratus.com>, cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D.
Tavares) writes:
> > In article <26PI02zb17eg01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com>,
tjc50@juts.ccc.amdahl.com (Terry Carroll) writes:
>> > > This I don't remember.  What line about the chihuahua?
> > 
> > Gordon Cole walks into Truman's office where Cooper and Truman are talking
> > and greets Cooper with a line about, "Coop, you look to me just like a
> > something, something Mexican Chi-wow-wow."  (Damn, the memory is the
> > first to go.)


        "COOP, YOU REMIND ME TODAY OF A SMALL, MEXICAN CHIHUAHUA."

All caps of course, because Gordon Cole is yelling. 


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  -- Dale Cooper, FBI Special Agent

In article <1992Jun23.130235.8023@engage.pko.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place) writes:
> >In article <125kqkINNr3t@agate.berkeley.edu>, sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes...
> >
> >} Hey does anyone have a cast/actor list for the show?
> >
> >Not I. Many of the names are unfamiliar to me, so I don't know who played
> >what characters for some of the case. There were three TWIN PEAKS alumni:
> >Miguel Ferrer, Ian Buchanan, and David L. Lander. Two other "knowns" to me
> >were Tracey Walter and Marvin Kaplan.

Don't forget the white horse! :-)
debk




> >
> >} Also, how many episode were made?
> >
> >Six.
> >
> >-- 
> >
> >"I want you to form a team of the most brilliant minds in network television."
> >
> >"Well, now, isn't that a contradiction in terms?"
> >
> >
> >--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)
> >
> >    boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com

In article <1992Jun21.032548.489@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> darr@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (David Darr) writes:

   Just got through watching the premiere of On the Air,
   which has got to be (IMHO) the stupidest sitcom ever
   aired.... but, just about the funniest I've ever seen.
   I was rolling on the floor for the last ten minutes.

The last segment (after the commercial break), took me completely by
surprise.  The first part was funny, but in the kind of ``boy, is that
weird'' style I'm used to from Lynch.  The last segment was
hysterical, belly-laugh, roll on the floor type material (i.e. really
great physical comedy), that I've never seen from Lynch before.  I
kept thinking (when I wasn't laughing too hard to keep from thinking)
that I never knew Lynch could do comedy, and so brilliantly.  I hope
we see more comedy from Lynch, whether it's On the Air, or something
else.

-30-
Bob

"OOT LOKES LORK VEEN GOAT AR HOOT UN ER HOONDTS!"

Come on guys! I know everyone over 'there' seems to be excited about "On the
Air", but how about a few more TPeaks discussions. We in Aust. wont get On the
Air for at least 6 months (if we get it at all that is!).

I know most of you have probably dissected Peaks as much as you can, but how
about someone getting something started, something we may have missed,
a question, anything!!
I guess though when most of you see the movie (FWWM) we will have something to
talk about! (Unless of course it doesn't come to Aust.!!)

Heres hoping!
Daniel.

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In article <1992Jun23.130235.8023@engage.pko.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place) writes:
> >In article <125kqkINNr3t@agate.berkeley.edu>, sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes...
> >
> >} Hey does anyone have a cast/actor list for the show?
> >
> >Not I. Many of the names are unfamiliar to me, so I don't know who played
> >what characters for some of the case. There were three TWIN PEAKS alumni:
> >Miguel Ferrer, Ian Buchanan, and David L. Lander. Two other "knowns" to me
> >were Tracey Walter and Marvin Kaplan.
> >
Ok, time for some more Twin Peaks- On the Air parallels. IMHO, there are
several references to TP in OTA: one, possibly two, intentional, the
others simply the ramblings of a fevered imagination.

First and foremost, the producers case of nerves which causes the coffee
spill. The angle of the shot was the same as the shot of the pool of oil
in Glastonbury Grove.  Secondly, the red curtain behind the network executives.
Thirdly, couldn't the incomprehensible dialogue of Zoblotnick be seen as
a parody of the Little Man From Another Place's dialogue? Fourthly,
the white horse watching TV. Lastly, the recurring characters of the 
dumb blonde (Lucy, Betty), the smart brunette (Donna, the assistant director)
the Ian Buchanan and Miguel Ferrer characters (varations on the same theme)
and the person in position in authority with a handicap (Gordon Cole,
Mickey)

One last question, why does ABC continually put David Lynch's stuff
on on Saturday Night? Do they really want him to fail?

John A. Nickles
Standard Disclaimer: Purdue has their opinions, I have mine
"Some of my best friends are dogs"

pitchon@paradyne.com (Howard Pitchon) writes:

> >Summer Storm needs to know the publisher of the infamous Cooper
> >Diary or Cooper Tapes or something like that.  Apparently, in this
> >area of the country, most book stores do not know their owls from
> >a hole in the ground.  Can you help?
> >Please respond via this newsgroup.  Thank you.

The Twin-Peaks book series is published by Penguin Books. They've
branches all over the world. I'm sure Coopers autobiography and the Twin
Peaks 'Access(TM)' guide are published by them, not sure about Laura's
diary. I don't know any ISBNs offhand, but let me know if you need them.


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It's already time to kiss this puppy goodbye folks.  The pilot of "On
The Air" came in 89th place for the week.  Oh well, at least there's 
not going to be much of a downward trend...

In article <80884@netnews.upenn.edu> kkim@anat3d2.anatomy.upenn.edu (Kurtis Kim) writes:
> >If you have watched _Blue Velvet_ please let know what you make of the movie.
> >I would like to know how each scenes interrelated to make this film.  I have 
> >a vague idea, but there are a lot of leaks that I have no explanations for.

Don't forget that the aim of art is what the viewer sees. Art is not the artist
trying to say something to the viewer, it is the viewer seeing something in the
art. What are the parts that you can't figure out? Ask them here and you'll
probably get several viewpoints, but that's good right? Personally, I'm still
trying to figure out Barton Finch after watching it twice and reading the
book of daniel.

In article <1992Jun23.130235.8023@engage.pko.dec.com>,
boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The Man from Another Place) wrote:
> > 
> > In article <125kqkINNr3t@agate.berkeley.edu>, sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes...
> > 
> > } Hey does anyone have a cast/actor list for the show?
> > 
> > Not I. Many of the names are unfamiliar to me, so I don't know who played
> > what characters for some of the case. There were three TWIN PEAKS alumni:
> > Miguel Ferrer, Ian Buchanan, and David L. Lander. Two other "knowns" to me
> > were Tracey Walter and Marvin Kaplan.
> > 

...and let's not forget Angelo Badalamenti playing the part of the piano
player!!  Not to mention his GREAT soudtrack throughout!  I've watched the
pilot three times now and absolutely love it -- the dog food rolling out of
Snap's mouth after the first act is TV classic!

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In article <11850@inews.intel.com> pharvey@mipos3.intel.com (Paul Harvey) writes:
> >In article <80884@netnews.upenn.edu> kkim@anat3d2.anatomy.upenn.edu (Kurtis Kim) writes:
>> >>If you have watched _Blue Velvet_ please let know what you make of the movie.
>> >>I would like to know how each scenes interrelated to make this film.  I have 
>> >>a vague idea, but there are a lot of leaks that I have no explanations for.
> >
> >Don't forget that the aim of art is what the viewer sees. Art is not the artist
> >trying to say something to the viewer, it is the viewer seeing something in the
> >art. What are the parts that you can't figure out? Ask them here and you'll
> >probably get several viewpoints, but that's good right? Personally, I'm still
> >trying to figure out Barton Finch after watching it twice and reading the
> >book of daniel.

You are quite right.  I was asking other people's viewpoint to
see how their theories fit with the movie.  So far I received a few
interesting theories, and they are all reasonably good.  As far as
Barton Fink is concerned, I would say it is much harder film to make
any personal interpretation.  Book of Daniel?  Maybe I can try that.

Now for questions regarding Blue Velvet:

1. What does finding an ear, and ear represent in this film?
2. What type of person was Frank?  What made him to be the
   kind of person he was represented by the film?
3. Why does Frank use oxygen inhaler, and what does that 
   represent (he uses it only when he gets excited, angry...)
4. Why doesn't Frank kill Jeffrey after he takes Jeffrey on
   a ride.  What does Frank kissing Jeffrey represent?
5. Frank disguises himself as the man with brown suit with 
   briefcase.  Why does he needs to fake it with the yellow
   man?  I thought yellow man was an undercover cop, but that
   still doesn't give enough explanation.

There are a lot more to be answered in my mind, but I will
leave at this for now.  If you like, you can tell me what your theory
is as well as fitting these questions into your theory.  Hope to hear
from a lot of you.

Kurtis Kim
kkim@anat3d1.anatomy.upenn.edu

An alternative possiblity is just to leave it as alt.tv.twin-peaks.
The people on alt.tv.prisoner seem to do just fine with only 17 episodes
to choose from, and no new Prisoner material (except what they create
themselves).  Besides, I think that the Lynch fans will congregate here
anyway, so going about changing it would be unnecessary.

Just my $0.02

-Chris
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Well.. my first post to alt.tv.twin-peaks.
I had thought that this newsgroup had long since dried out.
                   I was wrong.
Tonight I have seen >MY< first episode of On The Air.
As someone pointed out before.. Lynch has a rather interesting way with 
angles, shots, sounds and symbolic things. One look at the show and 
anyone who has ever seen anything of Lynch's work would know.. it's his.
I personaly was caught rolling on the floor with laughter (although I was 
already on the floor). I thought it was hilarious!
And as for the Twin Peak series.. youch... I was fortuneate to watch the 
last two episodes and it had some rather scary affects on me for a few 
nights afterwards... Yes, that big red curtain certanly DOES look 
familiar :)
The Doughnut was then.. the microphone is now.
Enjoy ONTA!


Tom Buzzeo              tbuzzeo@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
Edmonton Remote Systems:  Celebrating 10 years of service to Northern Alberta

nickles@sage.cc.purdue.edu (john a nickles) writes:
> > Ok, time for some more Twin Peaks- On the Air parallels. IMHO, there are
> > several references to TP in OTA: one, possibly two, intentional, the
> > others simply the ramblings of a fevered imagination.
> > 
> > First and foremost, the producers case of nerves which causes the coffee
> > spill. The angle of the shot was the same as the shot of the pool of oil
> > in Glastonbury Grove.  Secondly, the red curtain behind the network executive
> > Thirdly, couldn't the incomprehensible dialogue of Zoblotnick be seen as
> > a parody of the Little Man From Another Place's dialogue? Fourthly,
> > the white horse watching TV. Lastly, the recurring characters of the 
> > dumb blonde (Lucy, Betty), the smart brunette (Donna, the assistant director)
> > the Ian Buchanan and Miguel Ferrer characters (varations on the same theme)
> > and the person in position in authority with a handicap (Gordon Cole,
> > Mickey)
> > 
> > One last question, why does ABC continually put David Lynch's stuff
> > on on Saturday Night? Do they really want him to fail?
> > 
> > John A. Nickles
> > Standard Disclaimer: Purdue has their opinions, I have mine
> > "Some of my best friends are dogs"

I don't think any of them were references, intentional or otherwise, to 
Twin Peaks.  All of the things you mention are stylistic devices that 
Lynch has used throughout his career.  These are images that he likes to 
see.  The red curtains existed in his imagination way before Twin Peaks, 
he just put the image there whenever he could manage it.  Likewise the 
White Horse.  He has been quoted saying that he has no SYMBOLIC meaning 
that he attaches to these images.  To Lynch, the image is all.  He 
lets others like you'n me do all that silly interpreting.

I loved Twin Peaks, but it is not a Touchstone!

Let's call them "stylistic parallels" instead.

I don't know why ABC puts Frost/Lynch in a bad slot, either.   I guess 
it's just network execs who think such a wierd thing as OTA will only 
gather a "cult" audience.  Lynch himself seemed perturbed about this 
program slot, too, when he was on the Tonight Show with Jey Leno.  Wish I 
had taped it.  Jay seemed to be treating Lynch like he thought the 
audience might think he's wierd, so Jay was going to try and show 
otherwise.  Didn't quite work.  Of course, Lynch didn't help by giving 
one-word answers to questions that were obviously meant for him to 
comment on.

Lynch generally seems to be an unusual chap.  Also, he seems "secretive".
 

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*   (And Number One ain't you...           *  Canoga Park, California,  * 
*    you ain't even number two...)"        *  USA (It CAN happen here!) * 
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Saw a review in the UK computer magazine Personal Computer World. There
now exists a Dune computer game, from Virgin Games.

PC and Amiga currently.

Neil

P.S. I'll post the review sometime

In sailor and Lula (french title), Nicolas Cage always says something

about its snake skin vest. What is the exact sentence ?

It might be something like: "It's the expression of my individuality..."


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In article <1992Jun23.114430.4680@pdn.paradyne.com> pitchon@paradyne.com (Howard Pitchon) writes:
> >Summer Storm needs to know the publisher of the infamous Cooper
> >Diary or Cooper Tapes or something like that.  Apparently, in this
> >area of the country, most book stores do not know their owls from
> >a hole in the ground.  Can you help?
> >Please respond via this newsgroup.  Thank you.

Diane...the Twin Peaks tapes of Agent Cooper is on Simon & Schuster books on
tape, and The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer, well, my version is by Pocket Books,
but I'm not sure of hte name of the Parent company...hope this helps!



   Tyger 
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In article <1992Jun23.114430.4680@pdn.paradyne.com>, pitchon@paradyne.com (Howard Pitchon) writes:
> > Summer Storm needs to know the publisher of the infamous Cooper
> > Diary or Cooper Tapes or something like that.  Apparently, in this
> > area of the country, most book stores do not know their owls from
> > a hole in the ground.  Can you help?
> > Please respond via this newsgroup.  Thank you.
> > 

In this whole coutry, we have the same problem than you! However, I managed to
get me copies of the 3-twin-peaks-related books in a fabulous bookshop up in
London called The Forbidden Planet (if you ever have an oppotunity to pop up in
that area, don't miss it; it's on New Oxford Street, tube Tottenham Court
Road).

Anyway, here are the full references of the books (as sold in UK):

The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer,
  by Jennifer Lynch,
  published by Penguin Books in 1990,
  241 pages,
  ISBN 0-140-14944-9
  3.99 pounds.

The Autobiography of FBI Special Agent Dale Cooper,
  by Scott Frost,
  published by Penguin Books in 1991,
  226 pages,
  ISBN 0-140-15714-X,
  3.99 pounds.

Access Guide to Twin Peaks,
  by David Lynch, Mark Frost & Richard Saul Wuman,
  published by Penguin Books in 1991,
  110 pages,
  ISBN 0-140-15713-1
  4.99 pounds.


'hope this will help you (haven't got the tapes, alas) getting the stuff!


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[All of the following is IMHO, of course...]

Of the last 20 messages stored at my site, only 3 have to do with Twin
Peaks and not all of them about Lynch/Frost either (Dune, WAH, Blue Velvet).

I throw my vote out to renaming alt.tv.twin-peaks as alt.fan.david-lynch as 
obviously, he's going to keep making movies (not just tv series), we seem 
to be discussing more than just Lynch/Frost and, quite simply, a few months 
after _Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me_ hits the states, I'll bet that there 
is going to be little to no discussion of Twin Peaks.

Look at it this way: if you were a news newbie and wanted to talk about 
_The Elephant Man_ or about "On the Air," would you more quickly jump
into a group named alt.tv.twin-peaks or a group named alt.fan.david-lynch?  
It's like naming the Monty Python group "alt.fan.holy-grail."  Face it,
folks, Twin Peaks is just a facet of Lynch's (and Frost's) work and they have
moved on -- why aren't we? (Actually, I think that this group already has --
no one is talking about Twin Peaks anymore).

So, does anyone out there want to newgroup alt.fan.david-lynch?  (By the
way, since this involves changes to alt.* groups and such, I'm cross-posting
this to alt.config).

Opinions, anyone? 

-- Sean C. Duncan, scd@einstein.bgsu.edu :: scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu "Like the sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives." _______________________________________________________________________

In article <1992Jun25.112200.7177@irisa.fr>, moysan@irisa.fr (Erwan Moysan) writes:
> > In sailor and Lula (french title), Nicolas Cage always says something
> > 
> > about its snake skin vest. What is the exact sentence ?
> > 
> > It might be something like: "It's the expression of my individuality..."
> > 
> > 
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...and belief in personal freedom". ??? This is just from memory though.

Richard.

I do believe the exact quote is
"This snakeskin jacket symbolizes my individuality and my belief in  
personal freedom."  Or close enough.

"Diane, I hold in my hand a small box of chocolate bunnies."
EEYORE

While we're looking hard....

The last sound effects line I recall was something like
    "Blinky, you left the killer bees on"

Considering that On the Air is supposed to take place in the '50s,
before 'killer bees' was a phrase in common use, I figure the line
actually meant:
    "Blinky, you left the Killer Bs on"

'Killer B' obviously referring to Bob.



...or not.

moysan@irisa.fr (Erwan Moysan) writes:

> >In sailor and Lula (french title), Nicolas Cage always says something
> >about its snake skin vest. What is the exact sentence ?
> >It might be something like: "It's the expression of my individuality..."


AHA!  This question was designed for the likes of me...I was addicted to
that quote for a few weeks...people had started throwing festering
vegetables at my head when I said it...
 
...and that phrase is...
 
"This here's a snakeskin jacket.  It's a symbol of my individuality and
my belief in personal freedom..."  (said in a syrupy elvis voice)
 
(I may be wrong with the word "symbol"...but I don't think so)
 
...e

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I've seen several people mention the white horse in On The Air as being a
reference to the white horse in TP. Now I'll admit I only watched OTA once,
(Sorry.) and I could be wrong, but my impression of that scene was that it
was one of a few (unfortunately I don't remember what the others were right
now) showing representations of TV stars of (approximately) the relevant
time period (late 50's, early 60's) watching and enjoying The Lester Guy
Show, and that was supposed to be Mr. Ed and Wilbur. Didn't *anyone* else
see it that way?

Tim

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In article 12982@cs.hw.ac.uk, neilp@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Postlethwaite) writes:
Him>Saw a review in the UK computer magazine Personal Computer World. There
Him>now exists a Dune computer game, from Virgin Games.
Him>
Him>PC and Amiga currently.
Him>
Him>Neil

Yep, ithas been made by a french company called "Cryo", the Virgin Computer-Game
branch. I saw few articles about it, it might be a nice game (good looking pictures).
They took almost the same "heads" for their caracters as in Dune itself. Feid rautha
looks like sting, with less hair. I could post a picture if I come across a scanner.

Erwan
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In the ending credits for the first ep of OTA, Angelo Badalamenti is given 
credit as the "piano player" (in the section of credits along with actors).  I 
couldn't find a piano player - did anyone else, and if so, where/when?

Also, did anyone else notice the ending credits, "Copyright (1991) by TWIN 
PEAKS PRODUCTIONS, INC."?  At least the name is still alive...

Awaiting the next half-hour of OTA, and doubting we'll see it continue
much longer,
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In article <1992Jun23.085131.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
> >I have to say I thought "On The Air" was really stupid. Most of the
> >sight gags were terribly corny, the heavy accent of the producer was
> >not particularly amusing, and on the whole the level of the humor
> >was about junior-high.

I have to agree, though I still found the show worth watching.  There
is some nice imaginative energy there, though it's still burdened 
with what I see as the Lynch and Lynch-Frost cop-out maxim:  If you 
can't be creative, be weird.

Scott Stark
sstark@ingres.com

Blue Velvet is one of my favorite films. I think the ear was an art
reference. Wasn't Frank's oxyfen inhaaler actually laughing gas? Frank
doesn't kill Jeffrey because it is improper etiquette. Kissing him is an
unfulfilled promise. Yellow man was a cop that was corrupt and could not
have been seen with Frank unless the later was disguised. 

I thought it was a lovely movie, one of Lynch's most complete. Many of
Lynch's films, although creative, seem like sketches of good ideas, but
not final products. I have noticed this in the movies of another of my
favorite filmmakers, Martin Scorsese.

In article 3401@arizona.edu, wallin@hep4.physics.arizona.edu (Tripp Wallin) writes:
> >In article <106196@muvms3.bitnet>, tim@muvms3.bitnet (Tim Calvert) writes:
> >|> I've seen several people mention the white horse in On The Air as being a
> >|> reference to the white horse in TP. Now I'll admit I only watched OTA once,
> >|> (Sorry.) and I could be wrong, but my impression of that scene was that it
> >|> was one of a few (unfortunately I don't remember what the others were right
> >|> now) showing representations of TV stars of (approximately) the relevant
> >|> time period (late 50's, early 60's) watching and enjoying The Lester Guy
> >|> Show, and that was supposed to be Mr. Ed and Wilbur. Didn't *anyone* else
> >|> see it that way?
> >|> 
> >|> Tim
> >|> 
> >|> -- 
> >|> Tim CalvertBITNET:   tim@marshall
> >|> Marshall UniversityInternet: tim@marshall.wvnet.edu
> >|> Huntington, WVPhone:    (304)696-3210
> >|> FAX:      (304)696-3601
> >
> >  Sorry your completely wrong about it being Mr. Ed and Wilbur. The man
> >  was dressed up in a cowboy suit so I would guess he was supposed to be
> >  one of the many cowboy TV stars.
> >
> >  Tripp Wallin
> >  Physics and Math Undergraduate
> >  wallin@hep4.physics.arizona.edu

Try: "Roy Rogers" and his horse "Trigger"

It's still a white horse though.............

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In article <geFRWGq00WBMM1eqhW@andrew.cmu.edu> sm6t+@andrew.cmu.edu (Saul Markowitz) writes:
> >
> >If you didn't get a chance to see last week's show...please don't miss
> >the next episode! 
I would love to see it.  Anyone out there in Seattle watching (you live so
close to Twin Peaks, how could you not love David Lynch?!), would you
please e-mail (I'm not signing on often enough to keep up with boards) me
the local time/channel info?  MUCH appreciated.
> >
> >Love to hear other comments on the show.
> >
> >
> >Saul Markowitz
> >Public Relations
> >Carnegie Mellon University

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In article <26JUN92.15165264@vax.clarku.edu>, mcohen@vax.clarku.edu writes...

} In the ending credits for the first ep of OTA, Angelo Badalamenti is given 
} credit as the "piano player" (in the section of credits along with actors).
} I couldn't find a piano player - did anyone else, and if so, where/when?

How could you *miss* him??

He appears about 4 or so minutes into the show.

As Gochtkch and Ruthie are taking their tour through the studio, and we
see the various folks: McGonigle ("My nerves!"), the Philip Morris Messenger
("Call for Lester Guy!" -- how many people understood *that* reference?),
the Hurry-Up Twins, and so forth. Last on the list is a line of chorus
girls doing high-kicks to piano music. There are a couple of shots of
Badalamenti pounding away on the piano.

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> >I have to agree, though I still found the show worth watching.  There
> >is some nice imaginative energy there, though it's still burdened 
> >with what I see as the Lynch and Lynch-Frost cop-out maxim:  If you 
> >can't be creative, be weird.

And that ISN'T being creative?  "Weird" is most definately in the eye of
the beholder...and personally, I like the "weird" tangents and
arbitrarity of Lynch/Frost.  I think it's creative....they made a show
out of it, didn't they?  
 
I think use of the phrase "cop-out" to criticise
something/one...is...well.....a cop-out.
 
....e


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I hope I have successfully limited the distribution to the
Bay Area. If not, apologies.

Does anyone have a tape of last week's premiere of On the Air
that I could borrow? I saw it, but I didn't tape it, and I wish
I could watch it another time or three, it was so great.

Let's hope it does better than 89th place in the ratings this week.
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Department of Geophysics, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305

This question has been asked time and time again, and I keep forgetting to 
write it down, but does some one know the ftp site name for all of the GIFs 
and time lines?  I remember it is audrey.something and I would be greatly 
appreciative for the information.

Thanks.

anyone out there have a set of ALL the TP tapes and means to copy them?
I'd be willing to supply videotapes and postage costs if someone could
copy them for me.  (Preferably someone in the Denver Metro area.)

Email me at johnson@tramp.colorado.edu if you can help.  Thanks much!

Alexa Johnson
johnson@tramp.colorado.edu

In article <1992Jun25.173409.11598@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>, scduncan@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Sean C. Duncan, Idiot) writes:
> > [All of the following is IMHO, of course...]
> > 
> > Of the last 20 messages stored at my site, only 3 have to do with Twin
> > Peaks and not all of them about Lynch/Frost either (Dune, WAH, Blue Velvet).
> > 
> > I throw my vote out to renaming alt.tv.twin-peaks as alt.fan.david-lynch as 
> > obviously, he's going to keep making movies (not just tv series), we seem 
> > to be discussing more than just Lynch/Frost and, quite simply, a few months 
> > after _Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me_ hits the states, I'll bet that there 
> > is going to be little to no discussion of Twin Peaks.

I vote the same for the same reasons. There's no sense in retaining the Twin
Peaks tag because people are rarely discussing TP anymore. People seem to be
more interested in the doings of David Lynch, and cohorts. 

> > 
> > Look at it this way: if you were a news newbie and wanted to talk about 
> > _The Elephant Man_ or about "On the Air," would you more quickly jump
> > into a group named alt.tv.twin-peaks or a group named alt.fan.david-lynch?  
> > It's like naming the Monty Python group "alt.fan.holy-grail."  Face it,
> > folks, Twin Peaks is just a facet of Lynch's (and Frost's) work and they have
> > moved on -- why aren't we? (Actually, I think that this group already has --
> > no one is talking about Twin Peaks anymore).

I Couldn't have said it better myself. David Lynch is bigger than Twin Peaks,
and people are interested in what he's doing in an ongoing basis - not so much
Mark Frost's involvement with Lynch, since Lynch is the decidedly wierd one.

I'd like to see the name change.

J.Dealwis: Foot for Tort.

I've been trying to track down the TP books,
and so far have only managed to find "My Life My Tapes" and
"The Secret Diary..."

Could someone please post a listing of all the books that have
been published, so that I can start tracking them down (and believe
me, in Australia that will not be easy!!!)

Thanks,

Morgana

In article <1992Jun23.085131.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
> >I have to say I thought "On The Air" was really stupid. Most of the
> >sight gags were terribly corny, the heavy accent of the producer was
> >not particularly amusing, and on the whole the level of the humor
> >was about junior-high.
> >
> >But, Oh! You could spot it as Lynch's work just by the way the
> >shots were framed, the lighting, studied stupidity of the stupid
> >characters, etc. I guess what intriegues me so much is that Lynch's
> >special touch is composed of all these facets, but no one of them --
> >it's almost intangible.  
> >
> >Fascinating!

I agree.  I got over my everything David Lynch touches turns to gold
stage somewhere around episode 5, season 2 of Twin Peaks, as 90% of the show
turned to crap! If Cooper or Bob weren't in it, I didn't give a shit.
Who can really say that they cared about the whole James-on-the-road thread?
Or the Ben Horne-turns-environmentalist plot line?

We all knew that Lynch had a thing for the fifties, so On The Air wasn't
a great surprise to me, and the content was dull as dirt. The only thing
I liked about the pilot was when that guy had his suspenders caught in the 
cupboard and tried to run, etc. That was pretty funny, but not funny enough
to warrant wasting a Saturday night in front of the TV.

I think Lynch should stick to movies for a while and leave TV to the hacks.
Twin Peaks  was a phenomenon that ended rather dismally, but it made history
by jolting us out of our everyday-ness, and that was enough.

Why spoil it with more crap?

Call me old fashioned or what, but I'd like to see this newsgroup still called
alt.tv.twin-peaks.

Just because it is called this, it does not mean we can't discuss other stuff.
 Have all of you already forgotten just how good TP was? We must not ever forget
the impact TP had on all of us!
Once the movie is out, there will be plenty of TP talking - we can't just bury
it all!

So, let the name stay on, for old times sake!

> > 
> > I know most of you have probably dissected Peaks as much as you can, but how
> > about someone getting something started, something we may have missed,
> > a question, anything!!
> > 
> > Heres hoping!
> > Daniel.


I just re-watched episodes 2 and 3 of the first season of TP, and yes there
is always stuff to discuss. For example, Bobby and that plaid jacket he
wears wrapped around his hips. In the scene where he and the other guy
go into the woods to meet Leo, Bobby is carrying another jacket, but still
has the plaid thing wrapped around him. I remember in the scene where he
visits Shelley in the hospital, he still has it.  

The net effect is to make him look sort of sleazy. Now, unless I'm mistaken
in episode 2 it was said of Laura Palmer "she was the homecoming queen, dated
the captain of the football team..." (I think Truman said it to Coop). Well,
was that referring to Bobby??  Certainly weird, if so, because his whole
characterization -- appearance, costume, mannerisms, etc. -- was that of an
outsider, virtually a loser.  

Am I wrong about that quote? The whole reason Bobby and the other guy were
out to get James, was because James had been secretly dating Bobby's girl --
Laura Palmer.  Help me out somebody.

Regards, Lou Crago

I was on holiday last week, and as I was passing a cinema I
spotted a poster for the TP sequel.

A quick check of the timetable. The show started in ten
minutes. So what did I do? Go in and see it, of course.


Right from the first notes of music any long term Peaks
addict will find themself back in familiar territory,
finding out about the first murder. Despite this it comes
as quite a shock when after about half an hour a familiar
signpost appears and the corresponding theme music plays.

It is nearly as big a surprise to to have Laura Palmer
actually walking and talking with other members of the cast.

Lynch had the problem of telling a story which we already
know the outcome and a lot of the details of. He gets around
this by telling the story from the point of view of the one
person we have not really heard in the series. Laura.

The usual twists and turns and odd angles on people and
events are all there, with some very cleverly done scenes
distorting the entire interpretation of the earlier series.

If you liked the original undiluted TP, you'll like this one
too. And there are enough hooks to hang another sequel on,
to let us know what happened to the other characters.
Bob.

In article <1992Jun29.092352.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:

> >The net effect is to make him look sort of sleazy. Now, unless I'm mistaken
> >in episode 2 it was said of Laura Palmer "she was the homecoming queen, dated
> >the captain of the football team..." (I think Truman said it to Coop). Well,
> >was that referring to Bobby??  Certainly weird, if so, because his whole
> >characterization -- appearance, costume, mannerisms, etc. -- was that of an
> >outsider, virtually a loser.  

Yes, Bobby was the football hero of Twin Peaks.  That's the reason for the
whole subterfuge with the football filled with cocaine in episode #1002 --
when Leo says "Go out for a pass, Bobby".  He just also happened to be a
punk loser too, because he could get away with anything.

In alt.tv.twin-peaks, jblum@linus.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:

> > It's already time to kiss this puppy goodbye folks.  The pilot of "On
> > The Air" came in 89th place for the week.  Oh well, at least there's 
> > not going to be much of a downward trend...

Definitely good news.  I absolutely loved twin peaks, but on
the air is quite awful, and I was more than a bit surprised
to see all the good reviews of it here.  I figured it would
be pretty universally panned.

Needless to say, I hated it.

doug

In article <ed.709627798@odin> ed@odin.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny) writes:
> >
>> >>I have to agree, though I still found the show worth watching.  There
>> >>is some nice imaginative energy there, though it's still burdened 
>> >>with what I see as the Lynch and Lynch-Frost cop-out maxim:  If you 
>> >>can't be creative, be weird.
> >
> >And that ISN'T being creative?  "Weird" is most definately in the eye of
> >the beholder...and personally, I like the "weird" tangents and
> >arbitrarity of Lynch/Frost.  I think it's creative....they made a show
> >out of it, didn't they?  

Well, I think "weird" can be creative, when it opens up into a rich
myriad of maybes, stimulates the imagination, adds interesting 
tangents, gives a new perspective, and that all happens a lot in
Lynch's work... but then sometimes I feel he's just being weird
because he's run out of ideas.

- Scott

>> >>the beholder...and personally, I like the "weird" tangents and
>> >>arbitrarity of Lynch/Frost.  I think it's creative....they made a show
>> >>out of it, didn't they?  

> >Well, I think "weird" can be creative, when it opens up into a rich
> >myriad of maybes, stimulates the imagination, adds interesting 
> >tangents, gives a new perspective, and that all happens a lot in
> >Lynch's work... but then sometimes I feel he's just being weird
> >because he's run out of ideas.

Hmmm...seems we just have a basic difference in outlook here.  Perhaps
I'm just not getting something.  I just can't see how if Lynch is still
being "weird" that he's "run out of ideas".  By the very fact that
things are weird...they are ideas.  Perhaps you just don't like
them...which is your taste.  It just seems like you're saying something
to the effect of "he's run out of ideas so he's using these other ideas"
(a contradiction, of course).  Sorry if this has become a gooey sticky
'ol flame-sounding thang.  I'm just trying to understand the
criticism...and perhaps I'm a little defensive about having Davey's show
put on at such a horrible time.  
 
I still find it humourous.  Betty is a real draw...as is the accent of
the director, the sight gags, and the Lester Guy character.  I'll
continue to watch (and tape).
 
...and watch again...
 
...e

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In article <1992Jun28.211938.3045@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> johnson@tramp.Colorado.EDU (JOHNSON ALEXA C) writes:
> >anyone out there have a set of ALL the TP tapes and means to copy them?
> >I'd be willing to supply videotapes and postage costs if someone could
> >copy them for me.  (Preferably someone in the Denver Metro area.)
> >
> >Email me at johnson@tramp.colorado.edu if you can help.  Thanks much!
> >
> >Alexa Johnson
> >johnson@tramp.colorado.edu


Could you also send me info on this? Especially SERIES FINALE!

Christopher J.
r3cjs@vax1.cc.uakron.edu

In article <106196@muvms3.bitnet>, tim@muvms3.bitnet (Tim Calvert) writes:
> > (Sorry.) and I could be wrong, but my impression of that scene was that it
> > was one of a few (unfortunately I don't remember what the others were right
> > now) showing representations of TV stars of (approximately) the relevant
> > time period (late 50's, early 60's) watching and enjoying The Lester Guy
> > Show, and that was supposed to be Mr. Ed and Wilbur. Didn't *anyone* else
> > see it that way?

Gee, I thot it wuz Roy Rogers & Trigger.
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In article <1992Jun28.155628.41113@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, dreamer@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (DAVID CARUSO II ~~~) writes:
> > 

> > about the ending ... I understand the midget was the devil, and I think I'm
> > right in assuming that Laura Palmer practiced Satanism.  Here are my questions:

Everyone is going to have a different interpretation -- I didn't understand
the midget as the devil at all. I'm not sure what he was -- maybe a
metamorphosis of the One Armed Man's cut-off arm, as has been suggested here.
> > 
> > (1) How was the scene with agent Cooper taking place?  Was it a dream?  Had
> >     gone to Hell?  Was it some sort of vision?

It could hardly have been hell, for this reason: In the video that came out as
a stand-alone film, it comprised the last ten minutes or so. First there was
the main part of the two-hour introductory episode, then there was a caption
that said *25 years later*, and then there was the dancing midget sequence.
If it was 25 years later, then it wasn't hell - that would make no sense.

As for the other questions you posted -- who knows? I think it is part of
Lynch's appeal that he throws in off-handedly so many bits of stage business
that we can't figure out immediately. It keeps us pondering. 

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> > |  dreamer@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu                                          - DAC2  |
> > |------------------------------------------------------------------------------|

Regards, Lou Crago

In article <1992Jun28.193732.17496@EE.Stanford.EDU>, ncc1701a@isl.Stanford.EDU (ncc1701a) writes:
> > This question has been asked time and time again, and I keep forgetting to 
> > write it down, but does some one know the ftp site name for all of the GIFs 
> > and time lines?  I remember it is audrey.something and I would be greatly 
> > appreciative for the information.

audrey.sait.edu.au

> > 
> > Thanks.

Welcome.

Dealwis.

In article <14740050@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:
<In alt.tv.twin-peaks, jblum@linus.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:
<
<> It's already time to kiss this puppy goodbye folks.  The pilot of "On
<> The Air" came in 89th place for the week.  Oh well, at least there's 
<> not going to be much of a downward trend...
<
<Definitely good news.  I absolutely loved twin peaks, but on
<the air is quite awful, and I was more than a bit surprised
<to see all the good reviews of it here.  I figured it would
<be pretty universally panned.
<
<Needless to say, I hated it.

Same here.  I thought On the Air was nothing to look at and 
I haven't bothered to watch the second episode.  After watching the first
one I and my roommate just looked at each other and didn't even say
anything.  It wasn't worth it.  I was absolutely certain the show
would be flamed at on alt.tv.t-p.

Anybody got spare cash to pay Lynch/Frost for continuing TP?
Maybe we should call Michael Jackson and try to hook him on TP instead
of monkeys.

Jan Bielawski
Computervision, San Diego
jpb@calmasd.prime.com

Down here in Melbourne Australia, the final episode of TP was the
one where Dale enters the Black lodge to resue his girlfriend
(who had also just become the new Miss Twin Peaks).

However from various postings here, it sounds like this was NOT
the last episode that was made.

Can some one please set this straight!

Regards,

Morgana

God I'd love to see the movie...  In Australia we are soooo slow it getting
stuff... Twin Peaks was reall awsome and freaky.. but I get pissed off when
movies are so slow in getting to us!!

Ok, can someone tell me, the rating of the film (I hear there is a bit of
sex, which I don't care about!!! I would like to see some, has anyone read
the diary of LP??? real cool!!), do any of the characters stay the same,
Kyle was good as FBI agent, I hear it's David Bowie now???

Regards,
Matt

I've heard that Lynch is making a theatrical version of TP.  Does anybody know
when it will be released? 
Keywords:

In article <1992Jul01.133900.27849@DIALix.oz.au> shogun@DIALix.oz.au (Matthew Fitzgerald) writes:
> >God I'd love to see the movie...  In Australia we are soooo slow it getting
> >stuff... Twin Peaks was reall awsome and freaky.. but I get pissed off when
> >movies are so slow in getting to us!!
> >
> >Ok, can someone tell me, the rating of the film (I hear there is a bit of
> >sex, which I don't care about!!! I would like to see some, has anyone read
> >the diary of LP??? real cool!!), do any of the characters stay the same,
> >Kyle was good as FBI agent, I hear it's David Bowie now???
> >
> >Regards,
> >Matt

Well, according to EMPIRE (a British film magazine) which I
read in the newsagents this afternoon, most of the original
cast from the TV series are in the film including Kyle
Mac-Whatsit who I assume is reprising his role as Coop.

Bowie is in the film too along with several other less
famous (but still famous) faces including Kiefer Sutherland.

But I've no idea what his role is.

As far as the previous posting is concerned I had no idea
that Fire had opened in the U.K.   EMPIRE stated that it 
had been shown at Cannes in May to a mixed reception (
about 60/40 Boos/Cheers at its' showing) but it didn't 
give a release date for Britain apart from the somewhat
vague 'sometime in 1992'.

So it looks like I'll be waiting with you.

Hope it opens soon; this summer looks to be a long dry one
as far as decent flicks are concerned.

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In alt.tv.twin-peaks, nickles@sage.cc.purdue.edu (john a nickles) writes:

> > One last question, why does ABC continually put David Lynch's stuff
> > on on Saturday Night? Do they really want him to fail?
> > 

In this case it does not really matter.  _On The Air_ could be
the only program on television, and it would get awful ratings.
In all likelihood, television would cease to exist.

doug

 It has also be showing in Japan for awhile.

 I think it is due to open here sometime in late August.


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In article <1992Jul01.133900.27849@DIALix.oz.au>, shogun@DIALix.oz.au (Matthew
Fitzgerald) says:
> >
> >God I'd love to see the movie...  In Australia we are soooo slow it getting
> >stuff... Twin Peaks was reall awsome and freaky.. but I get pissed off when
> >movies are so slow in getting to us!!

Hey I had to go all the way to France to see it last week...  It seems to
be doing quite well.  Overall, I thought it sucked.  There were some really
neat scenes in it (esp. with David Bowie) but for the most part it was just
a rehash of what we already knew with a bunch of meaningless new mysteries
added which had no purpose.  I'm glad I saw it but I think I'm sick of
David Lynch...

Scott

I have for sale: "Diane..." The Tapes of Agent Cooper (original outer
& inner boxes).  Only played twice.  I am asking the standard price of
$9.95

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In article <14740050@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:
> > Definitely good news.  I absolutely loved twin peaks, but on
> > the air is quite awful, and I was more than a bit surprised
> > to see all the good reviews of it here.  I figured it would
> > be pretty universally panned.

The first one was a hoot.  The second one was 80% the first one over
again, and 20% a bad Benny Hill show.  Sigh.
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I tried posting this review to rec.arts.movies.reviews a couple weeks
ago, but it never seemed to make it there.  Since there is some
interest in how good this movie was, I include my review below.
Basically, I agree with the person who said "it sucks".

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me

    A film review by Chris Lishka
     Copyright 1992 Chris Lishka

_Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me_ is David Lynch's latest installment in
the lives of the residents of a small Washington State town.  It was
directed by David Lynch and written by David Lynch and Robert Engels.
It has a long list of actors and actresses, with many of the cast
members returning from the television series.  The main stars include
Sheryl Lee (Laura Palmer), Ray Wise (Leland Palmer), Moira Kelly
(Donna Hayward), Dana Ashbrook (Bobby Briggs), James Marshall (James
Hurley), and Kyle MacLachlan (Special Agent Dale Cooper).

David Lynch is well-known for the blend of normality and the outright
bizarre that he portrays in his films.  His work is typically an
investigation of the strange elements of everyday life: at its best,
it makes us look at the common world around us and wonder what weird
happenings are taking place.  Unfortunately, his worst work can
degenerate into an orgy of violence, raunchy sex, cliches, and
incomprehensible images which have little in common.

The _Twin Peaks_ television series contained some of Mr. Lynch's best
and worst work.  The first season started with a wonderful show that
placed a big-city agent of the FBI in the quirky little town.  Agent
Cooper was there to investigate a possible serial-killer and answer
the question of "who killed Laura Palmer".  A cult following quickly
built up enough momentum to propel _Twin Peaks_ into a second season.
However, as the summer drew to a close it became apparent that Mr.
Lynch would clear up the mystery in his own time.  Sadly, it was also
apparent that the scripts were being rewritten at the last moment
based on what was convenient in the show.  There wasn't any set story;
rather it evolved over time, with the constraints of TV deciding what
would and would not happen.  During the second season it slowly
degenerated into a nighttime soap opera with the strange small-town
residents replacing the more glamorous characters in shows like
_Dallas_ and _Dynasty_.

The film continues the downward spiral of the television series.  It
explores what happened to Laura Palmer in the time before her bloody
death.  This is shown through rather graphic scenes showing all of the
bad sides of Laura Palmer, with occasional scenes attempting to depict
her struggle between good and evil.  To fans of _Twin Peaks_, many of
the events are already well documented in both the television show and
a spin-off novel (_The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer_).  One wonders
why Mr. Lynch thought it necessary to actually *show* these scenes on
screen when the references of the television series seemed more than
adequate.

There are many problems with this film.  Foremost is the focus on
Laura Palmer.  The television series drew its strength from parallel
stories affecting a number of interesting characters.  If you didn't
much care for one, there was always a handful of others to follow.
Unfortunately, many of the characters from the TV show are missing.
Of the ones who do show up, only a few are given any significant
screen time, and even those that have more than a minute of on-screen
presence are only accessories to the main theme of Laura's
destruction.  What made the television show so good is completely
replaced here with a single two hour depiction of Laura's ills, which
simply are not as interesting as the other character's pleasures and
pains.  Furthermore, since we know that Laura Palmer will die and who
will kill her, there is no suspense to build up.  What we get is a
tale that keeps presenting more and more violent images as Laura
Palmer gets closer and closer to being killed, without any real reason
except to be complete.

Another major problem is economy.  There are whole scenes that could
be lifted out of the film with no damage to the plot.  Indeed, the
whole first half-hour has very little to do with the rest of the
movie.  It introduces a couple characters that are not seen throughout
the rest of the story.  Entire sequences involving Laura are
unnecessary.  As with the car crash scene in _Wild At Heart_, one
wonders why Mr. Lynch included many of these scenes when they had
little to do with the plot.

Then there is the violence.  The constraints of prime-time television
kept Mr. Lynch from including many graphic scenes.  Unfortunately he
seems to have had few restrictions here.  From bloody killings to
vicious rape scenes, this movie shows in full detail what Laura
Palmer engaged in.  The television series functioned well without it, so
one wonders why it was included?  Do we really need to see Laura
Palmer actually doing all of those bad things that were hinted at?

The most important element that I missed from the television series
was the humor.  Gone are the funny lines and the humorous situations.
Instead we are treated to a lot of drama with little to laugh about.
This movie has a very different and much more sinister tone to it.
There is little resemblance to the best episodes, and indeed the only
ties between the film and the TV series are the scenery and the
recognizable characters.  Where the television shows were a more full
concoction, the film is simply drama served straight-up.  If you
prefer humour in your diet, avoid this film.

With all that said, there are a few good points.  Angelo Badalmenti's
wonderful music is back in full form.  Fans of Julee Cruise get
another of her eerie tunes.  The sound design (done by Mr. Lynch
himself) is very good: in some scenes the sound is more effective that
the visuals in portraying the violence.  There is plenty of the
backwards speech played forwards, which creates a very strange effect.
And all those really weird dream-like sequences are back and mixed
throughout the whole film.  Maybe the movie would have been compelling
if Mr. Lynch had dropped the whole story of Laura Palmer and instead
focused completely on Bob and the little man in the room of curtains.

There are also a few good performances.  Harry Dean Stanton shows up
as an odd mobile-home landlord, and Kyle MacLachlan proves that he can
make even the strangest material interesting.  Miguel Ferrer is also
good in his short part as Albert Rosenfeld, although his sarcastic
wisecracks are sadly missing.  David Lynch himself is amusing as
Gordon Cole, the deaf FBI chief who constantly repeats everything said
to him.  Ray Wise is good as Leland Palmer frantically changing from a
caricature of wholesome family living to outright evil.
Unfortunately, a few good actresses like Peggy Lipton are on the
screen for such a short time that they don't have much of a chance to
act.

Other actors and actresses simply can't rise above the poor writing.
Chris Isaak (as another FBI agent) proves he should stick with
singing.  Kiefer Sutherland seems to try desperately to do something
interesting with his character but fails.  A few bad actors from the
television show are brought back (notably Dana Ashbrook and James
Marshall) and do little better here.

_Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me_ is a great disappointment.  As I
walked out of the theatre, I felt like I didn't really need to know
anything the film presented.  Furthermore, the film was not even
entertaining; rather, it was bloody and boring.  I was very much put
off by the violent scenes, especially the horrible sexuality
portrayed.

I cannot recommend this film to anyone except those who want to see
everything David Lynch has done.  Even if you enjoyed the television
series, I would recommend avoiding this movie because it only
superficially resembles the television shows.  Gone is the humour,
gone are the many interesting characters.  Instead we get half-an-hour
of pointless prologue and two hours of indulgent violence and raunchy
sex centering around Laura Palmer.  If you really want to enjoy more
of _Twin Peaks_, I recommend dusting off your videotapes and watching
reruns.

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In <fl7lbc2t@cck.coventry.ac.uk> csh019@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Faust) writes:

> >Well, according to EMPIRE (a British film magazine) which I
> >read in the newsagents this afternoon, most of the original
> >cast from the TV series are in the film including Kyle
> >Mac-Whatsit who I assume is reprising his role as Coop.

There is a catch, though: many (if not most) of the characters are
on-screen for such a short time that they are effectively *not* in the
film.  Peggy Lipton's character is a case in point, as she was
on-screen for less than two minutes.  And quite a few of the
characters just aren't around.

Kyle is indeed back as Agent Cooper, and does get some screen time.
He is one of the few actors/actresses who is able to rise above the
dumb material.


> >Bowie is in the film too along with several other less
> >famous (but still famous) faces including Kiefer Sutherland.

David Bowie is once again only on-screen for a very short time.
Although he is compelling, I had a hard time trying to figure out why
his character was in the film at all.  It was a shame to waste his
talents so: he certainly proved he could act in _The Hunger_.


> >As far as the previous posting is concerned I had no idea
> >that Fire had opened in the U.K.   EMPIRE stated that it 
> >had been shown at Cannes in May to a mixed reception (
> >about 60/40 Boos/Cheers at its' showing) but it didn't 
> >give a release date for Britain apart from the somewhat
> >vague 'sometime in 1992'.

_Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me_ has been playing for a couple of weeks
here in Geneva.  Newsweek reported that the audience at Cannes laughed
*at* it (which is sad, as there is little intentional humor in the
film).


> >Hope it opens soon; this summer looks to be a long dry one
> >as far as decent flicks are concerned.

My recommendation: only see this film if you must watch all of Twin
Peaks or must see all of David Lynch's film.  Otherwise, avoid this
latest Twin Peaks installment.  Rewatching the old shows would be much
more rewarding!

And yeah, this Summer sounds like a dog.  Unfortunately, all of these
sequels haven't even shown up yet in Geneva, so there is much to even
look forward to.  C'est la vie....

.oO Chris Oo.

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Hi,

A year ago or so a friend of mine showed me a big list , from Usenet,
containing all kinds of references and explanations for the weird
TP-characters, sets, symbols etc. As I recall, it contained
interpretations from different people.

I'm new to usenet, and I'd like to get hold of that list again. So
if there's anybody out there in the posession of this list, or
knowing where to find it, would you please mail or post it?

Thanks in advance!

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In article <4492@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
> >In article <14740050@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM>, daq@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Quarnstrom) writes:
>> >> Definitely good news.  I absolutely loved twin peaks, but on
>> >> the air is quite awful, and I was more than a bit surprised
>> >> to see all the good reviews of it here.  I figured it would
>> >> be pretty universally panned.
> >
> >The first one was a hoot.  The second one was 80% the first one over
> >again, and 20% a bad Benny Hill show.  Sigh.



  I loved the first one, the second was a hoot and the third is
somewhat less  (sigh).   We find out that the Miguel Ferrer character
does have a heart though ;-)
 
  Ken D.

In article <1992Jul2.103307.15066@dxcern.cern.ch> lishka@dxcern.cern.ch (Christopher Lishka) writes:
> >
> >There is a catch, though: many (if not most) of the characters are
> >on-screen for such a short time that they are effectively *not* in the
> >film.  Peggy Lipton's character is a case in point, as she was
> >on-screen for less than two minutes.  And quite a few of the
> >characters just aren't around.

I'd expect any film version of a TV series to trim
down the number of characters.  It's an aspect of the
difference between TV and film:  there just isn't
enough time to deal with the TV show's characters in
detail.  But still, I agree, the fact that Peggy Lipton
only got two minutes on screen makes you wonder why she
turned up.  (For the money - why else?)

> >David Bowie is once again only on-screen for a very short time.
> >Although he is compelling, I had a hard time trying to figure out why
> >his character was in the film at all.  It was a shame to waste his
> >talents so: he certainly proved he could act in _The Hunger_.

Um...well, I think I'll pass comment on Mr Bowie's acting
ability.  It suffices.  I guess he's in the film because
he (or rather his agent) expressed an interest in being
in it (no doubt he is a fan of the TV series) and so they
wrote him into the script in a cameo appearance.

And besides, it gives the film it's only true star.  Well,
I mean, apart from Kiefer Sutherland :-)

> >
> >_Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me_ has been playing for a couple of weeks
> >here in Geneva.  Newsweek reported that the audience at Cannes laughed
> >*at* it (which is sad, as there is little intentional humor in the
> >film).

They seem to have released it in Europe but not in the U.K.
Probably to test the water so to speak.  As for the Cannes
audience laughing at the film, well, the Cannes audience
is usually composed of people who are all fairly jaded when
it comes to film.

> >My recommendation: only see this film if you must watch all of Twin
> >Peaks or must see all of David Lynch's film.  Otherwise, avoid this
> >latest Twin Peaks installment.  Rewatching the old shows would be much
> >more rewarding!
> >

Yes, but I've watched them several times already!  I'll go
see the film even despite your criticisms if only to judge
for myself how bad it is.  I didn't necessarily expect the
film to be the series writ large on the silver screen though.
And given the content of Lynch's previous films I fully 
expected the sex and violence to be much more extreme.  Unlike
you that aspect doesn't bother me too much.  On the other hand
I am disappointed to hear that the film has lost the humour of
the series.  One of Twin Peaks distinctive features was its
quirky sense of humour and the absurd which served to
counterpoint the dark violent goings on.  Without the humour
the film will be a lot darker and more unpleasant in atmosphere.

Still even a bad Lynch film is better than just about anything
else on offer this summer.  At least his films are different
and distinctive.  And you can't say that about many other
filmakers these days.


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csh019@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Faust) writes:
> >detail.  But still, I agree, the fact that Peggy Lipton
> >only got two minutes on screen makes you wonder why she
> >turned up.  (For the money - why else?)

Annie turns up for about twenty seconds. Her appearance is
still needed to link events in the film and the series together.

> >in it (no doubt he is a fan of the TV series) and so they
> >wrote him into the script in a cameo appearance.

It's not exactly a cameo apperance. His bit is one of the
more interesting bits in the film. It also seemed to me ato
be setting the stage for another sequel.

> >Probably to test the water so to speak.  As for the Cannes
> >audience laughing at the film, well, the Cannes audience
> >is usually composed of people who are all fairly jaded when
> >it comes to film.

You need to have seen the original series to even understand
what is happening in the film. I doubt the average Cannes
audience had even heard of the show before, never mind
watched every episode. They laughed because they didn't know
what else to do.

> >I am disappointed to hear that the film has lost the humour of
> >the series.  One of Twin Peaks distinctive features was its
> >quirky sense of humour and the absurd which served to
> >counterpoint the dark violent goings on.  Without the humour
> >the film will be a lot darker and more unpleasant in atmosphere.

It is the problem of the length of screen time again. 
There is very little of the more obvious almost slapstick
style humour. The more quirky humour is still there, but of
course you have to think about what you are seeing to find
that. I found some scenes in it to be extremely amusing.

darker? I didn't really think so. 

More violent? There are a couple of scenes which are more
explicitly violent than in the series (and which I expect
will be cut by the censors in Britain) but nothing exceptional.

Sexualy explicit? Not really. There are a couple of scenes
where some above the waist flesh gets exposed, but nothing I
haven't seen in BBC dramas at 9.30 in the evening.

In short, while I wouldn't rate it as highly as some
episodes in the series, it is far better than most of the
rubbish out there.
Bob.

I do agree that the newsgroup name should be changed.  It is not as though
TP discussions will not continue and it will not keep strictly TP fans away
either.  There should be no harm done and it will not keep those who perhaps 
do not/did not like TP (gasp!) but do like Lynch from learning more.
It's definitely a good idea!  How about it????


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The Los Angelese times recently ran a rather lengthy article about the
phenomenon of Twin Peaks and success of FWWM in Japan.  Accompanying the
article were pictures of three promo posters from Japan advertising the
movie that were outstanding collectors items!!  One featured a huge slice
of cherry pie, another the classic Laura wrapped in plastic, and the last
was a picture of David Lynch standing over portrait shots of the cast.

I would very much appreciate any information for obtaining these posters
(especially the cherry pie picture with all the neat Japanese writing). 
So, if anyone has any info at all about where these can be had, preferably
in mint ot mint minus condition, please, please, PLEASE, let me know!!

And...  Thanks!!

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My girlfriend and I have heard many tales of the release of Fire Walk 
With Me. We both agree that it was shown at the Cannies Film Festival in 
France.. but the question remains: When will it be released in Canada?

Tom Buzzeo              tbuzzeo@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
Edmonton Remote Systems:  Celebrating 10 years of service to Northern Alberta

In article <1992Jul2.132638.15152@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, kdc@ccu.umanitoba.ca () writes...

} I loved the first one, the second was a hoot and the third is somewhat
} less (sigh).

} We find out that the Miguel Ferrer character does have a heart though ;-)

Oh?  Is it because he decides to travel the path of Gandhi and King or
because someone rips it out and has it for lunch?

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OK guys, it took me quite a while to figure out what ^Twin Peaks^ was
when you first started talking about it (seeing that it started here
in Oz some time after the US), so could someone explain to me what
"On the Air" is please before I get too confused :-)

MTIA.


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Okay, I've been reading enough resentment about Lynch's latest project
(Hey, remember the good old days when we loved Twin-Peaks)
that I decided to start a discussion about my favorite David Lynch
film: The Elephant Man.
It is David Lynch's least typical film and I think in many ways that is why I
like it so much. It is not obssessed with being weird for the sake of being
weird as so many of his other films are. (Blue Velvet and following)
The theme is about someone abnormal trying to survive in a normal world
which is probably what drew Lynch to the film (much like Tim Burton and
Edward Scissorhands). But unlike Wild at Heart, Blue Velvet and Twin Peaks,
there are no moral absolutes (e.g. Coop="good" Bob= "Bad") The Hopkins
character treats impoverished burn patients yet thinks nothing (at first)
of using Merrick for his own advancement. Related to this, note
that the film is shot in black-and-white so that (as in Psycho) no
blood is actually shown. I fear that if The Elephant Man was to be
filmed today, it would be in color and we would be "treated" to lingering
closeups of Merrick's deformities. I think this is possibly Lynch's only
project in which he understands the meaning of the words "understatement"
and "restraint". It is a shame in a way that Lynch has become so popular.
When he was forced to work with other people's material, such as in Dune
and the Elephant Man, (I do NOT include Wild At Heart) he tried to be 
faithful to the original story. He knew what a story was. But now 
that he has become an "auteur", he indulges his whims without 
having someone come in and say "You've gone off the rails." (Much
the same attitude, in my opinion, can be seen in Spike Lee and will
be seen in Tim Burton). 
More important than this, however, the Elephant Man had characters,
not actors we've seen before doing all their patented sctick and individual
ized tics. For example, Miguel Ferrer as the tough guy (Okay, they
made him a pacifist in TP. Nice touch but they did just as a throwaway
gag.) You might contend that Anthony Hopkins is doing his patented 
sctick ("I'm British. I can ACT") but he gives more real feeling to
the Doctor than any of the wailers and screamers in any later Lynch work.

I liked Twin Peaks (really) and I do not mean to begrudge the cast
or the writers. It was without a doubt the most creative thing on TV
ever. But a hundred years from now, I think The Elephant Man
will be the only work of Lynch's that survives. I am willing
to be argued out of any or all of my positions (as soon as I see
The Elephant Man again) Comments?

Post Script: Someone once mentioned here that Jack Nance has been in
every Lynch film except The Elephant Man. Okay, let's all imagine
the dulcet tones of Pete Martell as he delivers the classic line
"Ah am nut an ANimal. Ah'm a HU-man BEE-in"

John A. Nickles
Standard Disclaimer: Purdue has their opinions, I have mine
"In the last month of pregnancy, his mother was frightened by an elephant
and gave birth prematurely"

In article <craigb.710146705@moloch>, craigb@resmel.bhp.com.au (Craig Blundell) writes...

} OK guys, it took me quite a while to figure out what ^Twin Peaks^ was
} when you first started talking about it (seeing that it started here
} in Oz some time after the US), so could someone explain to me what
} "On the Air" is please before I get too confused :-)

It's a half-hour comedy series created by Lynch & Frost that's set in the
days of live television (specifically, 1957). It centers around the studio
of the ZBC (Zoblotnik Broadcasting Corporation) network and their new
comedy/variety series "The Lester Guy Show". The pilot episode dealt
with the premiere of "The Lester Guy Show", during which (of course)
Murphy's Law manifested itself with the force of a hurricane.

There are three TWIN PEAKS alumni in the cast. Miguel ("Albert") Ferrer
plays Buddy Budwaller, the nasty executive generally in charge of the
network (he answers only to Mr. Zoblotnik himself). Ian ("Dick") Buchanan
plays the arrogant star Lester Guy. And David ("Tim Pinkle") Lander plays
Mr. Gochktch, the director of "The Lester Guy Show" (and Mr. Zoblotnik's
nephew) who speaks with an accent so thick, it takes a chainsaw to cut
through it.

And then there are all of the other weird characters, the best of which
is Betty Hudson, the "co-star" of "The Lester Guy Show", who makes TWIN
PEAKS's Lucy look like a brain surgeon (Budwaller: "She's not a dim bulb,
she's a totally blown fuse.")

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In article <23285@castle.ed.ac.uk> bob@castle.ed.ac.uk (Bob Gray) writes:

> >You need to have seen the original series to even understand
> >what is happening in the film. I doubt the average Cannes
> >audience had even heard of the show before, never mind
> >watched every episode. They laughed because they didn't know
> >what else to do.

So perhaps the film was misconceived?  Given its length
it won't please the die-hard Twin Peaks fan and an
audience which hasn't seen the series (or, at least, hasn't
seen enough of it) won't be able to make sense of events
because they don't know the characters.  So it seems to
fail to work for any possible audience that might turn up
to see it.  

> >More violent? There are a couple of scenes which are more
> >explicitly violent than in the series (and which I expect
> >will be cut by the censors in Britain) but nothing exceptional.

I'm not so sure about the film being cut.  Lynch's last
film to hit our shores, WILD AT HEART, had some fairly
violent scenes and these were (as far as I know) left
untouched by the censors.  There was one scene cut from
the film, but that was cut by Lynch himself after mass
walkouts by preview audiences in the States.

> >Sexualy explicit? Not really. There are a couple of scenes
> >where some above the waist flesh gets exposed, but nothing I
> >haven't seen in BBC dramas at 9.30 in the evening.

Well, if AI NO CORRIDA could get released in this country
with a certificate then Lynch would have to combine
sex with cannibalism to get banned.

> >In short, while I wouldn't rate it as highly as some
> >episodes in the series, it is far better than most of the
> >rubbish out there.
> >Bob.

It's good to hear that someone likes it.  At the moment
the only two reactions I've seen are yours and Chris's.
You could say that critical opinion is divided on this one.


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lishka@dxcern.cern.ch (Christopher Lishka) writes...[about David Lynch]

> > Unfortunately, his worst work can
> > degenerate into an orgy of violence, raunchy sex, cliches, and
> > incomprehensible images which have little in common.

   What exactly are you criticising here? What Lynch film meets you're
descriptions? None I can think of. Okay maybe "Eraserhead" counts as
"incomprehensible images which have little in common", but since Lynch
tried to film a human nightmare, it was meant to be like that. Can you
be more specific in your criticism?

[about "Twin Peaks"]
> > Sadly, it was also
> > apparent that the scripts were being rewritten at the last moment
> > based on what was convenient in the show.  There wasn't any set story;
> > rather it evolved over time, with the constraints of TV deciding what
> > would and would not happen.

   Your first sentence is exactly why I liked it so much. It got really
out of hand plot-wise and you could never predict where it would head
next. Personally I liked it best after Windam Earl got really involved.
Also, what do you mean by "constraints of TV deciding what would and
would not happen"?

[about Laura Palmer's exploits just before her death]
> > One wonders
> > why Mr. Lynch thought it necessary to actually *show* these scenes on
> > screen when the references of the television series seemed more than
> > adequate.

   Well, each to their own, but these scenes sound excellent to me!

> > Then there is the violence.  The constraints of prime-time television
> > kept Mr. Lynch from including many graphic scenes.  Unfortunately he
> > seems to have had few restrictions here.  From bloody killings to
> > vicious rape scenes, this movie shows in full detail what Laura
> > Palmer engaged in.  The television series functioned well without it, so
> > one wonders why it was included?  Do we really need to see Laura
> > Palmer actually doing all of those bad things that were hinted at?

   The single gigantic problem with the TV series was that it had to
remain within the guidelines of what is acceptable for American TV (we
in the UK continually hear how US TV censorship is the heaviest in the
world). This is why I am so looking forward to the film. David Lynch has
to be UNLEASHED for his films to work and this just can't happen within
a US television sugar-coating. As far as I am concerned, watching
extreme violence put on the screen by David Lynch is a real experience.
Something special. No other film maker I know of has shot violence in so
powerfully strange a fashion. Me personally? I LOVE IT!!! This is what
is Lynch is really good at: weird, scary, violent, disturbing, hypnotic,
stylish.

   I know you gave it a pretty negative review, but after reading your
thoughts I just know I'm going to love this film!!

P.S. You wrote...

> >  As with the car crash scene in _Wild At Heart_, one
> > wonders why Mr. Lynch included many of these scenes when they had
> > little to do with the plot.

   I took this scene from "Wild at Heart" to be very important as well
as beautifully shot and moving. To me this young attractive girl dying
so strangely in the middle of the desert showed Sailor and Laura how
quickly and easily you can be killed and that because of this there is
nothing more important in having a great time (being "Wild at Heart") at
every possible opportunity.
   Anyway, if we started discussing what scenes could be missed out of
what films because they have "little to do with the plot", we'd be here
till eternity!! If all irrelevant scenes were cut from films, why
Spielberg's films would be 30 minutes long, and Jean Luc Goddard would
have never made a film at all! (Although that might be a good thing :-)
:-) The padding is often what makes a film so special or watchable.

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In article <17857.2a483eb6@levels.unisa.edu.au>,
9207987h@levels.unisa.edu.au writes:

> > Come on guys! I know everyone over 'there' seems to be excited about "On the
> > Air", but how about a few more TPeaks discussions. We in Aust. wont get On the
> > Air for at least 6 months (if we get it at all that is!).

I tend to agree with you on this one...  However, rumours are that On The Air
has been purchased by an Australian network (ok...  The Entertainment Network
Channel TEN).

Bad news time.  We have been getting very large delays with new programs.
Sure we got Twin Peaks within a couple of months on TEN, but TEN hasn't even
started showing Northern Exposure, which was actually listed in the NEW-10
Perth programming guide one week as a premiere.  It was quickly replaced
with basketball.

TEN has Northern Exposure, Law & Order, etc up their sleeve yet.  Don't
expect On The Air until March next year!

> > I know most of you have probably dissected Peaks as much as you can, but how
> > about someone getting something started, something we may have missed,
> > a question, anything!!
> > I guess though when most of you see the movie (FWWM) we will have something to
> > talk about! (Unless of course it doesn't come to Aust.!!)

It's coming... Expect a late-October or November release.
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I was fortunate enough to attend a special screening of "Twin Peaks:
Fire Walk With Me" at the Directors Guild in Hollywood this past week.  
While I thought it was an astounding piece of filmmaking, I'm sure this
movie will have many detractors.  It's just too weird for anyone but
the most diehard David Lynch fan.  He's possibly the last surviving
American Surrealist filmmaker.

Lynch was at the screening (in addition to cast members from TP and On
the Air).  He introduced the film as follows:

"I'd like to thank you all for coming out to see my new film.  I hope
you enjoy it.  I think Abraham Lincoln said it best . . ." then proceeded
to read the entire Getteysburg Address.  [odd, yet somehow fitting].

On a final TP note:  Word in Hollywood is that Frost and Lynch have parted
company.  Frost will continue to work on television projects and Lynch
will concentrate on films.

This may be of interest to some of you -- today in the new
release/Japanese import section of Tower Records (in Ann Arbor, MI) I
saw a CD called "Twin Peaks Mania EP".  On it was the theme to Twin
Peaks, Laura Palmer's Theme, and all the Julee Cruise songs from the
series, including four remixes of Rocking Back Inside My Heart.  It
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For those of us in the world who haven't seen the movie yet and want to
see some pics, then imported Japanese mags are a good source.  Many of their
movie mags have stories on FWWM.  I picked up the July issue of Roadshow
(import from Japan) with a 15-page section of FWWM - it is called Twin
Peaks: The Last Seven Days of Laura Palmer over in Japan - plus other short
articles elsewhere in the mag.

There is a detailed synopsis of the movie, day-by-day, and lots of pics.

There are two pics with captions saying these are from deleted scenes.
One is from 2/19 and it looks like Laura and Donna outside the Roadhouse,
talking to some guy.  There's a logging truck in the background.
The other pic from a deleted scene is from 2/21 and shows James whispering
to Laura.

A pic of the RR shows that they have a sign above the door reading,
"Home of Twin Peaks Pies."

There are lots of pictures that are recognizable after reading the timeline:
- Mrs. Tremond giving Laura the picture
- Leland looking at Laura's hands
- LMFAP holding up the ring
- Laura, Donna, Jacques dancing
- Laura and Leland in the car
- Laura hugging James on his bike at Sparkwood and 21
- Laura and Cooper in the red room
- Gordon with Stanley and Desmond
- Desmond pinching the Deupty's nose
- Stanley and Desmond with Teresa
- Stanley and Desmond at Hap's
- Jeffries with Coop, Gordon, Albert
lots of others

The article mentions that the scene with the bending of the steel cables
is cut.  Can anyone who has seen the movie say if the whole scene was cut?

This magazine also has interviews with Sheryl Lee and Kyle MacLachlan
and mentions something about giving away free TP shirts (offer ended on the
20th).  Also something about the soundtrack available by the end of this
month.

Counting the days til Aug 28...
ed

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In article <1992Jul2.130332.11086@fel.tno.nl> qb7g6@fel.tno.nl (Maarten Landzaat) writes:

> >A year ago or so a friend of mine showed me a big list , from Usenet,
> >containing all kinds of references and explanations for the weird
> >TP-characters, sets, symbols etc. As I recall, it contained
> >interpretations from different people.

I've gathered these posts and other material to ftp.funet.fi:
/pub/culture/tv+film/twinpeaks. Graphic images are under
/pub/pics/jpeg/tv+film/twinpeaks and /pub/pics/gif/pics/tv+film/twinpeaks.
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pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Montykins) writes:

> >In article <pgf.709870681@srl01.cacs.usl.edu> pgf@srl01.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) writes:
>> >>
>> >>Except I know someone who used to know Berke Breathed...
>> >>

> >So, what you're saying is that Berke Breathed _is_ a FOAF? Hmm . . .

Hey, it gets worse than that. I recently found out I know someone who
says he knows David Lynch. So he must be a FOAF too. This must be
real irritating to all those Peakers out there, to find out that
_Twin Peaks_ isn't only fictional but possibly of imaginary status
altogether... (i.e. the show itself didn't exist)...

Is that how this FOAF stuff works?

> > -Paul "Monty" Ashley
> >   (Beetle Bailey is written and drawn by _eight_ guys, according to
> >something I have lying around here somewhere.)

No wonder the quality has gone down a bunch. A camel is a horse done
by a committee.

> >ObMottoNomination: " . . . according to something I have lying
> >                    around here somewhere"
> >-- 

I won't touch this. 

> >     Monty's First Rule of Usenet:        | pashley@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
> >If there is no original text in the first |  [Not a UCSD employee]
> >full screen of an article (i.e. it begins |
> >with 25 lines of quotes), don't read it.  |

But that's all of sci.space!

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And I can get off the chocolate anytime I want to. Really.

In <xq8lbmwn@cck.coventry.ac.uk> csh019@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Faust) writes:

> >In article <1992Jul2.103307.15066@dxcern.cern.ch> lishka@dxcern.cern.ch (Christopher Lishka) writes:

> >I'd expect any film version of a TV series to trim
> >down the number of characters.  It's an aspect of the
> >difference between TV and film:  there just isn't
> >enough time to deal with the TV show's characters in
> >detail.
> >

Yes, I agree that a movie usually needs to be more modest in what it
wants to achieve.  A TV serial always has the next episode to clear up
cliffhangers (although this has crept into film in movies like _Back
to the Future 2_).

What I disliked in _TP:FWWM_ was that pretty much everything *except*
the story of Laura Palmer's descent into hell was removed.  Much of
what made the original TP series interesting to me was the parallel
stories of the other quirky characters.  Laura Palmer was only a plot
thread (and symbol) that tied the different stories together.  In the
film, though, Laura Palmer is the center and nearly everything else
has been cut out.  I didn't find Laura Palmer's story compelling, and
would have preferred to see more of the other characters.


> >Um...well, I think I'll pass comment on Mr Bowie's acting
> >ability.  It suffices.  I guess he's in the film because
> >he (or rather his agent) expressed an interest in being
> >in it (no doubt he is a fan of the TV series) and so they
> >wrote him into the script in a cameo appearance.

To each their own: I really liked his performance in _The Hunger_.  I
suspect that what you say about his being in the film is true.
Unfortunately, those who go to see David Bowie do anything significant
will likely be disappointed.  He just doesn't have enough screen time.


> >And besides, it gives the film it's only true star.  Well,
> >I mean, apart from Kiefer Sutherland :-)

I feel that Kyle MacLachlan (sp?) is a big enough star, and he
actually does pretty well with the material.  IMHO, the same cannot be
said for Kiefer Sutherland, who seemed to be out of place.  I though
his scenes with Chris Isaak fell completely flat.


> >They seem to have released it in Europe but not in the U.K.
> >Probably to test the water so to speak.

I wouldn't be surprised.  It is still playing here, so obviously some
money is being made off it.


> >Yes, but I've watched them several times already!  I'll go
> >see the film even despite your criticisms if only to judge
> >for myself how bad it is.

Please do ... another viewpoint is indeed welcome!  Other people may
indeed enjoy this film.  I did not, and I believe that those looking
for the humor of the original series will be disappointed.  Those who
enjoy seeing Laura Palmer engage in raunchy sex and violence will
probably also enjoy this film.


> >I didn't necessarily expect the film to be the series writ
> >large on the silver screen though.  

Neither did I, but I was disappointed that so much of what made the TV show
good (IMHO, of course) had been removed.  I was never turned on by all
those bad things that Laura Palmer did; rather, I liked the absurd
humor and "quirky" characters.

> >And given the content of Lynch's previous films I fully
> >expected the sex and violence to be much more extreme.

I did expect a fair amount of violence (as there was a lot in _Wild at
Heart_), but what made it so much worse was the lack of much humor.
There wasn't much of a counterpoint to the violent images.

The David Lynch films that I liked (_Eraserhead_, _The Elephant Man_,
_Blue Velvet_, and *even* _Dune_) were not because of the violence.  I
enjoyed the plots or the bizarre imagery.  The violence for me was
almost always a put off, but the other elements of the film were
usually so strong that I could overlook whatever violence was
portrayed.  Unfortunately, I found that _TP:FWWM_ wasn't much more
than violence and rauncy sex.

However violent the film was, it was not scary.  The TV show at least
had images that were very unnerving ("Bob" appearing in the mirror,
etc.) because the were new and unexpected.  I don't think the film
comes up with very many new images, but rather relies on old known
themes from the TV series.  There seemed to be no new style or imagery
dealing with the central story of Laura Palmer; instead it was mostly
rehashed stuff from the TV series.  The only really new material was
either poorly done (i.e. the first half-hour of the film) or there
wasn't enough of it (i.e. the scenes at FBI headquarters with Agent
Cooper).  Without anything really new in the central story, there
didn't seem to be much tension.


> >Without the humour the film will be a lot darker and more
> >unpleasant in atmosphere.

Exactly.  Those of us who liked the humor probably won't find much in
_TP:FWWM_. 


> >Still even a bad Lynch film is better than just about anything
> >else on offer this summer.  At least his films are different
> >and distinctive.  And you can't say that about many other
> >filmakers these days.
> >

"Different and distinctive" is a good description.  Unfortunately, it
doesn't necessarily imply "good".  It looks like a pretty sparse
Summer for good movies....

.oO Chris Oo.

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In <23285@castle.ed.ac.uk> bob@castle.ed.ac.uk (Bob Gray) writes:

>> >>in it (no doubt he is a fan of the TV series) and so they
>> >>wrote him into the script in a cameo appearance.

> >It's not exactly a cameo apperance. His bit is one of the
> >more interesting bits in the film. It also seemed to me ato
> >be setting the stage for another sequel.

Yes, Bowie's scene at FBI headquarters was interesting.  Too bad there
wasn't more of it.


> >You need to have seen the original series to even understand
> >what is happening in the film. I doubt the average Cannes
> >audience had even heard of the show before, never mind
> >watched every episode. They laughed because they didn't know
> >what else to do.

Possibly, but a German _Twin Peaks_ *has* been showing on Swiss
television for a year now.  Also, I have seen German copies of "The
Secret Diaries of Laura Palmer" around.  I'm not sure if it has
appeared on French television yet.  Maybe the Cannes crowd doesn't
watch much TV (I certainly don't), but _Twin Peaks_ has been around
for a while in some places in Europe.


> >darker? I didn't really think so. 

I think it was "darker" simply because it concentrated mainly on the
decline of Laura Palmer.  What was usually hinted at in the TV show
was focused on in the film.  There wasn't much in the way of humor or
lightheared plotlines either. When the humor-to-darkness ratio is
decreased significantly, I think one ends up with a darker film!


> >More violent? There are a couple of scenes which are more
> >explicitly violent than in the series (and which I expect
> >will be cut by the censors in Britain) but nothing exceptional.

I think what was portrayed was more violent, particularily some of the
sex.  I have never been a fan of Lynch's violent images (except when
they are really bizarre), and found the focus on violence in _TP:FWWM_
to be too much.  Then again, I thought _Wild at Heart_ also suffered
because of the violence.


> >Sexualy explicit? Not really. There are a couple of scenes
> >where some above the waist flesh gets exposed, but nothing I
> >haven't seen in BBC dramas at 9.30 in the evening.

It is not so much how much *flesh* that is shown, but rather *WHAT*
type of sex is shown.  Whereas I like films that deal with the
positive aspects of sex, _TP:FWWM_ dealt with sex used to hurt people.
Yes, I know, that is what Laura Palmer's last week alive was about,
but was it *really* necessary to make it into a movie?  I certainly
wasn't entertained or fascinated by all of the things she did, and
that wasn't why I watched the TV series.

Besides, I have nothing against sexual explicitness.  I have seen more
sex portrayed and nudity on regular French TV in the last year than I
have in ten *years* of rated R films in the U.S.!  I have enjoyed very
explicit films like _In the Realm of the Senses_ (although I don't
think explicitness == sexy scenes).

What really got to me about _TP:FWWM_ (and _Wild at Heart_, to some
extent) was the kind of sexuality being portrayed.  I do not like to
pay to watch a rape being graphically depicted on screen, as I do not
find it enjoyable at all.  Nor do I like to watch graphic scenes of
women being used by men.  *THAT* is what I objected to in _TP:FWWM_,
*not* the nudity!


> >In short, while I wouldn't rate it as highly as some
> >episodes in the series, it is far better than most of the
> >rubbish out there.

I don't know.  It *is* a sequel and there wasn't much that was new.
Rather it tried to cash in on some elements that worked in the TV
show.  Although parts of it were interesting, I found most of it dull
and some of it offensive.  Seems like another typical summer 1992
movie to me!

.oO Chris Oo.

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About WHAT everyone else thinks about the show... I just would like dates 
for it's Canadian release so I can judge for myself... :)

Tom Buzzeo              tbuzzeo@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
Edmonton Remote Systems:  Celebrating 10 years of service to Northern Alberta

Yes, I belive someone out the in Netland asked if OTA really does credit 
 ZBC at the end.
It does.
I've seen it... with a very slow VCR :)
But does ZBC really exist? Lynch has a way of getting carried away with 
his fiction as seen in the TP Accses Guide.

Tom Buzzeo              tbuzzeo@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca
Edmonton Remote Systems:  Celebrating 10 years of service to Northern Alberta

Did anyone catch On The Air on the Fourth?  The local ABC affiliate in Boston 
carried the Boston Pops instead.  Not that I can blame them too much.  But I 
wanted to see OTA anyway.

Just wondering what the general "plot" was, and if I missed any great gags.

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pgf@srl01.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) writes:

> >Hey, it gets worse than that. I recently found out I know someone who
> >says he knows David Lynch. So he must be a FOAF too. This must be
> >real irritating to all those Peakers out there, to find out that
> >_Twin Peaks_ isn't only fictional but possibly of imaginary status
> >altogether... (i.e. the show itself didn't exist)...

> >Is that how this FOAF stuff works?

I wish...  it would be nice to know that people aren't really that
dumb... that _Twin_Peaks_, along with its ever so puzzling popularity, 
was just a bad dream... :v)  Unfortunately, FOAF is a very common 
folklore term, meaning Friend Of A Friend.
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For you people who can get it, the current issue of the French version
of Premeire magazine has a short article on The Last Seven Days of
Laura Palmer.  I can't read French so haven't got the foggiest idea
what it said.  Looked like an interview with Lynch.

For us Americans, the new issue of Premeire (with Eddie Murphy on the
cover) has a full page ad of FWWM.

ed


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In article <3qZFNB2w164w@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca>, tbuzzeo@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Tom Buzzeo) writes...

} Yes, I belive someone out the in Netland asked if OTA really does credit 
} ZBC at the end.
} It does.
} I've seen it... with a very slow VCR :)
} But does ZBC really exist? Lynch has a way of getting carried away with 
} his fiction as seen in the TP Accses Guide.

At the end of the ON THE AIR pilot, the show is copyrighted by "Twin Peaks
Productions, Inc.". Starting with the second episode, the copyright is to
"Zoblotnik Broadcasting Corporation". It's simply the "company" that was
set up to be the producer of the series.

-- "I want you to form a team of the most brilliant minds in network television." "Well, now, isn't that a contradiction in terms?" --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com

      Help!  Would some of the cool people I used to correspond with
     on here write me at my new account - which DOESN'T HAVE usenet
     access -- the only way I can logon usenet is by making a long
     distance call here!!

      My new account is   jaflrn!scottgor@uunet.uu.net

     Thanks in advance -- those of you who have seen FWWM, tell
     me what you thought!!  (P.S. "Boxing Helena," written and 
     directed by Jennifer Lynch and starring (among others) Sherilyn
     Fenn, is lensing now, if you didn't know!)

     Scott Gorcey

    From: Summer Storm 
    Re: General responses to questions, new questions, comments, etc. 

    -Thanks  to those who supplied info  on various Twin Peaks books. My 
    mom  found  the  Cooper  tapes  at  a bookstore in L.A. that carries 
    hard-to-find boods, but, now  armed w/publishers & ISBN's,  I'm sure 
    we'll both have an easier time finding the books. I found: 

              Welcome  to Twin Peaks (the Access Guide) by Lynch & Frost 
    & Wurman ..... fun reading (ISBN 0-671-74399-6)
              Twin Peaks Behind the Scenes (unofficial  visitors' guide) 
    by Mark  Altman; published  by Pioneer  Books, Inc.,  5715 N. Balsam 
    Rd.,  Las  Vegas,  NV  89130  (ISBN  1-55698-284-4)  This is kind of 
    interesting  with  background  about  the  directors,  stars, Lynch, 
    Frost,  etc.  The  "typo's"  and  grammatical  errors  are  a little 
    distracting.

              Welcome to Twin Peaks, 
              The  Autobiography  of  FBI  Special  Agent Dale Cooper My 
    Life, My Tapes,
              and The Secret Dialry of Laura Palmer
    are all available from: 
              Simon & Schuster Mail Order Dept. TWP
              200 Old Tappan Rd.  
              Old Tappan, NJ 07675   (according to an ad at  the back of 
    the access guide.)

    Also, the card  art is available  by calling 800-741-4131,  though I 
    didn't try the number myself, so I don't know if it still exists.

    -Re: The time  line. Thanks for the time and  effort in putting that 
    together. Question: Bookhouse Boys. Doesn't Truman say  that the men 
    before them & before them,  etc. have been fighting the  darkness in 
    the woods? So,  are the Bookhouse boys just formalized 20 years ago, 
    or have they existed almost as long as TP? 

    -Re:  On the  Air: I  didn't like  the first  episode that much, but 
    there  were enough clever/funny  moments to give  this show a second 
    chance.  Can't imagine  Miguel Ferrer  in any  comedy I didn't like. 
    Coming attractions for next week show him getting ready to shoot the 
    dog. Also, I  read that originally the character  who sees more than 
    we do was blind,  but another series had  a lot of trouble  from the 
    public for a comical blind character, so they changed it. 

    -Peak Sightings:  6/21 & 6/22, NBC, "Love,  Lies and Murder": Cheryl 
    Lee, Moira Kelly and the actor who played Windom Earl. 

    -To  the person going to WA this summer.  I gave you the name of the 
    hotel  wrong.  It's  the  Salish  Lodge  at  Snoqualmie  Falls.  The 
    souveneir shop is called Alpine Blossom & Gift Shoppe. 

    -The movie, FWWM, doesn't sound like  it clears up much. I'd like to 
    see someone (Annie? Truman? Albert?  Briggs?) go on a quest  to save 
    Cooper from  the Black Lodge. Could we do  a letter writing thing to 
    get  another movie  made? Or  will we  trivialize the whole thing by 
    asking  him to "wrap  up" Cooper's disappearance?  Still, can't wait 
    'til August! 

    -Does  anyone know why Lara Flynn  Boyle was replaced by Moira Kelly 
    for the movie?

    -Sean  Duncan  wants  to  rename  the  news-group.  How about 2 news 
    groups:  one for  DL fans,  and one  for TP  fans? All TP stuff. The 
    show, books, stars,  etc. Or we  leave the name  as is, and  the TP- 
    only  fans can just  sift through the  other stuff. I  for one don't 
    think DL is infallable. Loved TP, Wild at  Heart, Blue Velvet, (Dune 
    was okay also), but  not wild about Eraserhead, and  certainly won't 
    go see a movie about  one human mutilating another for  love because 
    I'm too squeamish for that kind of violence. 

    -The  time  line  was  put  out  only  from the series and the movie 
    (disclaimer noted). Since  the access guide  is a Lynch  thing, here 
    are some dates from it: 

    25,000 years ago.  First humans thought to migrate  from Asia. Later 
    became the families  of: Snoqualmie, Umpqua, Methow, Cayuse, Yakima, 
    Spokan, Flathead, and Nez Perce. 

    1775 Dominick Renault born. 

    1787 Moose Massacre.

    8/10/1803 Dominick Renault  struggles to the  shores of Black  Lake. 
    Soon establishes a trading post half a mile above White tail  Falls. 
    Rumors say he mated with owls.

    1818 The Poison  Ivy Epidemic of  1818 kills 2  dozen lusty pioneers 
    and trappers. 

    1855 Dominick Renault dies.

    1868 Rudolph Martell born.

    1878 Unguin Packard born.

    1882 the first Opera House built.

    1882 Sarah Bernhardt inaugurates the Opera House. Mr. Packard offers 
    to make her a new wooden leg.

    1889 The  Great Blizzard  of 1889.  So many  killed that the coffins 
    were stacked up in the opera house. 

    1890 James and  Unguin Packard set out  for TP. (But the  book gives 
    Unguin  Packard's  life  as  1878-1974  which  makes her a 12 yr old 
    wife!)  They  have  5  children:  Daisy,  Addy,  Roslyn,  Mavis, and 
    Ezekial.  

    1890 Packard Mill founded. 

    7/4/1891: TP's  first mayor, John Hanford  creates a cocktail called 
    the Little Scottie. 

    1891 Rudolph and Pixie Martell leave St. Louis to settle in TP. 

    1892  Mark  Twain  visits  TP,  is  scared by the woods, cancels his 
    reading of Huckleberry Finn at the Old Opera House. 

    1892  The  Ladoux  Tannery  begins  operations  on  the banks of the 
    Rattail River. 

    7/19/1893: Agnes Turnquist's diary entry  "That tannery is a scourge 
    on the land. Daddy allows it  smells terrible and mother agrees, but 
    Arvid and me say it stinks like s--t." 

    Early 1890's: Orville &  Brulitha Horne arrive and set  up a general 
    store. 

    1894 Daisy Packard born. 

    1896 The Terrible fire of 1896 destroys the Opera House.

    Early  1900's Rudolph Martell  dies due to  gangrene, and wife Pixie 
    joins an  Indian tribe, leaving  their son Nealith  Martell to carry 
    on. (Nealith marries Bessie and they beget Pete.) 
         Crosby  Truman,  an  inventor  sells  his patent for a V-shaped 
    flume to  Ezekial Packard (son  of James and  Unguin). This leads to 
    the  expansion of  the Packard  Mill, and  the demise of the Martell 
    Mill. Ezekial is father to Andrew and Catherine Packard. 

    1902 Oscar Wilde visits TP. 

    1905 The Smallish Earthquake of 1905-leads to rebuilding  of Horne's 
    General store into what is now Horne's Dept. Store. 

    1906-1907 bloody riots during the Timber Wars. 

    1916  Opera  House  rebuilt-Enrico  Caruso  gets lost and misses his 
    performance. 

    1918  Enrico  Caruso  performs  at  the  opera house and sings James 
    Packard's favorites. 

    1922  Ezekial  Packard  razes  the  old  Mill  and  erects  a larger 
    structure. 

    1924 The Packard Mill has nearly 100 employees. 

    1925 Opera House becomes a movie theatre. 

    1926 Andrew Packard born. 

    1927 Orville  Horne's son  Ben, carries  on the  family tradition by 
    breaking ground  for the Great  Northern Hotel. Now  operated, along 
    with the department store, by Ben Jr. 

    5/25/29 Will "Doc" Hayward born. 

    1931 Rudolph Martell dies.

    1933 (Spring) the Phelan Gang robbed  a bank in TP, and are captured 
    in  Owl Cave  when Milo  Phelan becomes  frightened by  the dark and 
    builds a fire. 

    1/30/34 Lawrence "Doc" Jacoby born. 

    6/28/34 Pete Martell born. 

    8/4/40 Benjamin Horne, Jr. (Ben) born in TP.

    11/4/40 Catherine Packard Martell born. 

    1945 Daisy  Packard is known  throughout the state  as an innovative 
    business leader 

    1948 Andrew Packard, now 22, takes over management of the mill. 

    1948 President Truman visits Owl cave. 

    5/13/50 Harry S. Truman born. 

    9/16/50 Tommy "the Hawk" Hill born. 

    9/30/50 Norma Jennings born. 

    10/26/50 Ed Hurley born. 

    Early 1950's Andrew  modernizes log cutting with the introduction of 
    the chain saw. 

    4/19/54 Dale Bartholomew "Coop" Cooper born. 

    1960 Daisy Packard dies. 

    9/2/62 Josie Packard born in Hong Kong. 

    1965 Opera House/Movie Theatre is abandoned. 

    1968  TP  Steeplejacks  become   champions  of  the  Nortwest   Nine 
    Conference,  and State  Champs. Some  members of  that team: Sheriff 
    Truman,  Deputy Hawk, Ed  Hurley, and Hank  Jennings.

    1969 the Guess Who perform at the opera house. 

    1971-1972 984 inches of snow fall on TP 

    1972 Andrew Packard  computerizes the plant's  machinery, increasing 
    production by more than 25%. 

    1/1/73 James Hurley born. 

    1974 Unguin Packard dies. 

    1982 Theatre  is restored  by Ben  Horne according  to the  original 
    architect's design. Movies are back in TP.

    1988 Andrew Packard disappears. 

    Lastly, spaced out and missed the 2nd On the Air. Was it better than 
    the first installment? Did he shoot the dog? Thanks for any input.

At a convention recently, I talked to the editor of a zine which prints
TP fan fiction, and she mentioned a couple of things she heard:

* that later this month, they are going to release the original broadcast
pilot on video.

* that the USA cable channel is interested in rerunning the entire series.

* if (and this is a BIG if) the movie does sufficiently well, USA might
(and this is a BIG might) be interested in producing new episodes.

Of course, this last rumor doesn't take into account the reported Lynch/
Frost split, or the question of who would return to the show.

Still... two truths out of three ain't bad...

I'm glad to see someone takes the Access Guide seriously.  For one thing,
it has the original drawing of the carvings in Owl Cave for you to 
ponder.  It obviously has much more in it than was spoken of on the 
series.

Also, I believe that if the series had continued, we probably would have 
been allowed to see the fabled Twin Peaks Passion Play.  A quote from the 
Access Guide:

   "Twelve _Douglas Firs_ describe a circle.  They appear strong enough 
to support the sky and their collective age stretches back almost to the 
Pleistocene.  You want the giants to speak, tell you of the amazing 
history running along their grain in which the never ending Quest is 
given substance.  You feel close to the Beginning.

   "It is _Glastonberry [sic] Grove_ you're standing in, a part of
_Ghostwood National Forest_ and backdrop for Twin Peaks' pentannual 
_Passion Play_.  (Every five years or so).

   "Of uncertain date and origin, the _Passion Play_ continues to evolve
and is a profoundly moving ceremony.  While a precise day and time are      
never announced, if you're in town during the month of April and keep your
eyes and ears open you can follow the quiet exodus of the curious and
converted out to _Glastonberry Grove_ shortly after dark to gather around 
the twelve _Great Firs_.  From the shadows, half a dozen cassocked 
figures emerge bearing sword, chrysanthemum, crucifix and chalice.  There 
appears the mysterious guardian at the gate.  To this day no one knows 
where the guardian comes from or why it appears.  Mystery also surrounds 
the sponsors of the event but rumor suggests the ultra-secret _Bookhouse 
Boys_.

   "Lasting the entire night, dawn brings the ceremony's climax when 
sunlight obliterates darkness as Goodness vanquishes Evil.  Skeptics may 
wonder what happens if the day dawns cloudy.  In fact, in the entire 
history of the ceremony that has never occurred; dawn of Twin Peaks' 
_Passion Play_ has always been announced by sunlight.

   "The next _Passion Play_ will occur sometime in April, 1992.  No need 
to call, just be there."

Wish we could have been there.  MAYBE someday we may be lucky enough to 
have another movie or TV special, but don't hold your breath.

Many themes run through the Pasion Play.  The Arthurian motif, shades of 
Maj. Briggs meeting with the white lodge, the idea that the trees are 
alive and have spirits in them, the Indian legends, the Bookhouse boys, 
the Quest for the Holy Grail, etc.

There is also a picture of Christ and of the Armpatch of the Bookhouse 
Boys.  Again I quote: "This ultra-secret group of guys seems to sponsor 
the Passion Play".

Again, this thing is about secrets!

This should be enough for Peaks fans to chew on for a while.  Could the 
guardian be the same figure that appears to Maj. Briggs when he was 
abducted by the White Lodge?  Also note that the Bookhouse Boys armpatch 
consists of a Douglas Fir with a sword in front of it, as if to defend.  
The question is: to defend the trees, or defend the residents of Twin 
Peaks FROM the trees.

Also, quite a bit in the access guide about Owls.  Basically encyclopedia 
articles and Owl legends throughout the history of many different 
civilizations.  Very interesting, someone did a LOT of research!

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