Fire Walk with Me — August 28, 1992–December 31, 1992

Spoiler...


Blame it on my newsfeed but I haven't seen anyone mentioning:

1. When Cooper is looking for Desmond he sees red letters on (whose?)
   car windshield: "Let's rock."

2. In the Canadian "pink room" Laura makes the same hand gesture she does
   in the last TV episode in the waiting room (towards Cooper).


Jan Bielawski
Computervision, San Diego
jpb@calmasd.prime.com


</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

I also thought that the set up for Harold's place was compeletly
different in the movie than it was in the series. For one thing
wasn't his bookcase in a different place in the movie. And in
the movie his place was much darker, and it seemed that walls
were darker...though this might just be an effect, to set a
darker movie befitting the dark mood of the film.  But any
of you lucky folks who were able to see the film more than
once, can you confirm or deny this for me, that Harold's place
was much different in the movie...just like the Palmers.

Sally--


-- That the play is the tragedy, "Man," \\\\\ Sally A. Wilson And its hero, the Conqueror Worm. \\\\\ sally@mica.berkeley.edu ("The Conqueror Worm" \\\\\ from Egar Allan Poe's _Ligeia_) \\\\\ Spud Peel

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

steve@sep.Stanford.EDU (Steve Cole) writes:
: As I did last week, I have taken the numbers reported
: in a clari article and computed $/screen for many of the
: top films. This is for the labor day weekend.
: 
: M$screens$/screen
: Bob Roberts0.318$38800???
: 
: So FWWM finishes in 13th place for total earnings or 11th place for 
: $/screen. I am not counting Bob Roberts there, can it really have made
: seven times what any other film made on a per-screen basis? I am
: skeptical.

Just as a quick calculation:

500 seats * 3 days * $7 * 4 showings/day = $42000

Remember that
 (1) Labor day weekend is 3 days, not two.
 (2) New movie, showing probably in the *larger* cities with *large* screens.
 (3) Not unlikely that each show completely sold out, based on all the great
     reviews.
 (4) If the "weekend" figures include Friday night, then the potential gross
     is even higher!


-=$>Dave<$=-
-- David Torok, NYNEX Science & Technology, 914-644-2378 Fax: 914-644-2404 500 Westchester Ave, White Plains, NY 10604 "torok@nynexst.com" Juggle!

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

>> >>  Another example to back this up is that Cooper only starts to see the
>> >>  giant after he gets shot and near death.
>> >> 
>> >> 
> >
> >I wonder if that what the Log Lady meant when she said "The Owls are not what 
> >they seem." (ie maybe she meant that death isn't as bad as Coop or Laura 
> >thought). Anyone have thoughts? Anyone? Buller....
> >
> >Mike
 The 3 things I can think of that the saying "The Owls are not as they seem"
 would mean, in order of preference:

 1. The spirits use the Owls as a temporary host until they find a human host.
    (When Bob leaves Leland we see an Owl flying out of a light in the woods
    which shows a quick shot of Bob's face behind the Owl's face.)
 2. The spirits (and the gifted) SEE through the Owls.. remember Sarah's
   vision of Jacoby digging up the necklace half? There was an Owl watching
   James/Donna when they buried it and possibly when jacoby dug it up.
   The Log Lady, while in her cabin says "The Owls can't see us in here".
3. Owls meaning "Other World Lifeforms" (mentioned in Predator II) are not
   dead as you think but are alive (spiritually) living in the lodges.

   -=*George*=-


</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <1992Sep9.044819.25167@iitmax.iit.edu> hardcle@elof.iit.edu
(Cleveland Hardin) writes:
> >Why didn't Lara Flynn Boyle play Donna in the movie? Did she have other
> >commitments, or did she not want to do the nudity? I'm sorry if this is
> >common knowledge but this has been bothering me since I saw the movie.
> >


I would think that the combination of other offers and the nudity had a lot to
do with it.  I was rather shocked to see Moira Kelly nude in that scene
considering how young she is, I guess it was meant to be shocking but it
bothered me throughout the rest of the movie.

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

SPOILER


As far as I've seen, nobody has yet figured out why Laura says
"You shot MIKE" after Bobby shoots the deputy.

When I heard that line, I thought she was saying "You shot Mike",
not "You shot MIKE".  I.e., she thought Bobby had killed their
high school classmate Mike, the future close friend of Nadine,
and not the metaphysical enemy of BOB.

At that point in the timeline did Laura know anything about MIKE?

Not that it makes much more sense referring to Mike...

Bob Clements, K1BC, clements@bbn.com

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

I forgot to include some more observations from my post yesterday, here
they are...

I noticed that Leland's wound or whatever was visible in the train car when
he was wrapping Laura in the plastic.  I didn't think to check during the
cabin scene.

Both Pierre and the strange fellow from Jeffries' dream sequence are seen
holding a stick-like item.  Pierre has it when he runs in a circle at the
hotel (as Leland is leaving), the other guy has it in the dream sequence.

I think I have an idea for the semi-frequent shot of the stairs in the Palmer
house during the series.  We get the same shot in FWWM, except Laura is
running down the stairs after she finds BOB looking for the diary in her
room.  I think this is symbolic of underlying fear that BOB creates, but I
could be stretching it a bit here.  Any ideas?

Anyone else notice that we have the return of the stuffed animal heads in
the Deer Meadow police office?  Still not sure what those imply...

John Schultz (caffeine abuser)   !  ABC killed Laura Palmer
c491153@mizzou1.bitnet           !  Macintosh-free and proud of it!
c491153@mizzou1.missouri.edu     !  Subscriber to the hacker ethic

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <2AA7ACD2.6057@ics.uci.edu> bvickers@net3.ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes:
   kwh@CS.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann) writes:
   >I concurr with ingria@BBN.COM that an angel did cut Ronette's bonds.

   Well, the angel didn't explicitly come down with a knife and cut her bonds,
   but after seeing the angel, Ronette noticed that her bonds were undone.
   I think it's pretty safe to assume there's a connection.

Yep.  That's why I originally said that the angel ``apparently cut''
Ronette's bonds.

-30-
Bob

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

There was a positive review, SIGHT UNSEEN, by the reviewer in The
Denver Post (Howie Movshowitz).  He based his review on the reviews
at Cannes, no less.  He gave it 3 1/2 out of 4 stars.  It's a strange
and wonderful world we live in.

Brian WOOD (need I say more?)

"I've got blue roses for a blue lady"  - Help me...what song is this from?


</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

I'm new to this whole bulletin board/network thing, and I still haven't seen FWWM,
but when I found this net, I couldn't resist reading even the spoilers.  After
looking thru Coop's autobiography, I noticed something that may or may not be
related to the question of the ring and its significance.
Taken from the book:
Coop's mother died when he was 15(?).  Prior to that he spoke to her about dreams 
he had been having of a "man who [he] had never seen who was trying to break into
[his] room.  He kept calling [him] and said that he wanted [him].  He then 
screamed and after a moment it turned into a kind of roar as if he were some kind
of animal" (25).  His mom said that she had had the dream too, and that he must
never let the man in.
    -Later, she told Coop she was having trouble keeping him out.
    -Then, after she died, she came to Coop in a dream, looking younger than when
he knew her.  He couldn't hear what she was saying, but when he woke up he found 
a ring in his hand.  Locked it in his desk, but found it fit on his pinky finger
perfectly.
    -He also found a picture of his mom wearing the ring as a teenager.  His dad
said she stopped wearing it after they were married, and that it had been her 
fathers and was given to her after his death. (44-45 if you feel the need to look 
it up.)

Does anyone have any ideas whether this is related to the ring in FWWM that was
being discussed in various spoilers on this net?  If so, then does this mean that
1. BOB was involved in Coop's mom's death, 2.  wearing the ring has something to
do with being killed by BOB,  3.  Since Coop tried on the ring (to know that it 
fit his pinky finger perfectly), is he going to die too, making the last episode
of the series both more understandable and more depressing,  4.  Does BOB perhaps
choose victims hereditarily (Coop, his mom, perhaps her father;  Laura, Leland).

Any comments on any of this are welcome over the net or by email (abbe@athena.mit.
edu).  Abbe Cohen
        (or physics wench if you prefer)


</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

I saw FWWM for the second time with my girlfriend and SHE had some
observations which I thought I would share with you.

She thought the stuff be eaten/spit out from the spoon at the end was
Monkey Brains!!!  She said that's why they showed the monkey previous
to it.  I thought the stuff was supposed to be creamed corn myself.

Also she thinks that Chet Desmond ended up in the black lodge because
that's where the ring transported him.  She referred to the line
"With this ring, I thee wed." as meaning the ring brings people to the
lodge.  She thinks that the character played by Jurgon Pruchnow (man with
beard above convenience store) is actually Chet Desmond at some later point.

Any comments on these weird ideas?
-- ^ Steven Greco ^ (aka Windom Earle) slg20427@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu "Color Me Amazed"-Agent Albert Rosenfield greco@suna0.cs.uiuc.edu

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

Adam Goldberg writes:

< a bunch of cool stuff >

Wow, Adam, wow!

As a longtime TP addict, and as the one who originally suggested the
backward time theory, I hereby bequeath upon you an A for the course.
Cool analysis, dude.  And from Iowa, no less. :)

Brian WOOD

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

Did anyone besides me notice that the white mask
looks the same throughout FWWM except once: when
Pierre Tremond (aka the grandson) pulls the mask
back and then a monkey(?) pulls it back, there
is a second protrusion above the "nose," at about
forehead level.  This protrusion is about the same
length as the nose, but is dark colored.  I think
it may be a stick -- the same stick that PT waves
about during his asphalt dance?

On another topic, yes, I also noticed that the
"monkey" said something (this is when the monkey
is shown after the eating of the garmonbozia).
I couldn't tell what it said; thanks for letting
us know it's "Judy."

Also, I have to say that seeing FWWM a second time
makes a BIG difference; I enjoyed it much more the
second time.  Part of the reason for that is that
the second time I saw it in THX Dolby Stereo --
***WOW***!  AB's music never sounded so good.

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

> >Secondly, a friend of mine wants to know in which fashion magazine
> >Sherilyn (sp?) Fenn appeared last year.  Any info would be
> >appreciated.  Have a .. good time of the day.

I believe it was Details, which calls itself a men's magazine.  The
rest of the issue was pretty boring, though.  Sorry, don't remember which
month.

Brian WOOD

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <las283INN3r6@news.bbn.com> clements@bbn.com (Bob Clements) writes:
SPOILER

> >
> >As far as I've seen, nobody has yet figured out why Laura says
> >"You shot MIKE" after Bobby shoots the deputy.
> >
> >When I heard that line, I thought she was saying "You shot Mike",
> >not "You shot MIKE".  I.e., she thought Bobby had killed their
> >high school classmate Mike, the future close friend of Nadine,
> >and not the metaphysical enemy of BOB.
> >
> >At that point in the timeline did Laura know anything about MIKE?
> >
> >Not that it makes much more sense referring to Mike...
> >
> >Bob Clements, K1BC, clements@bbn.com


I thought that she thought it was Mike, Snake (wasn't that his nickname),
because she was pretty funked-up (to quote Blackie). But also, Bobby
and Mike were partners in dealing. Just before that Laura convinced
Bobby to get here more cocaine...this stuff was for her, not to deal.
Bobby then goes directly to Jacques, and does not deal with Leo, his
normal supplier. Jacques sets him up with another supplier, the deputy
from Deer Creek.  Bobby makes sure that Mike is not invovled. Anyway,
when the deal comes down, Laura is unware of all this, and assumes
that it is Mike who appears in the woods, since he is partners with
Bobby. This, plus as I said, she was pretty funked-up made her think
that the deputy was Mike. I don't think it had anything to do with
the Lodges and all....I was just another one of thus darkly humorous
scenes...almost like the car accident scene in WaH.


Sally--


-- That the play is the tragedy, "Man," \\\\\ Sally A. Wilson And its hero, the Conqueror Worm. \\\\\ sally@mica.berkeley.edu ("The Conqueror Worm" \\\\\ from Egar Allan Poe's _Ligeia_) \\\\\ Spud Peel

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <Bu6HMB.DEG@acsu.buffalo.edu>, v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
(Scott J Gorcey) wrote:
> > 
> > Doppleganger:
> > 
> > 
> > Now, wait a minute:
> > 
> >   Does this remind anyone of that business in The Waiting Room during
> >   the last episode, or is it just me?
> > 
> >   Let's compare:
> > 
> >   Final Episode: Coop's going from room to (nearly identical) room
> >   in The Waiting Room, down that corridor... and this becomes so
> >   confusing (not just to him) that he actually meets himself coming
> >   and going: the doppleganger.
> > 
> >   FWWM: Coop tells Gordon he's had a dream [surprise!].  Next: we see
> >   Coop walking from the corridor to the security monitor room, trying
> >   to catch an image of himself in two places at once (why, we don't
> >   know, but it of course has something to do with this dream he's had).
> > 
> >    Then: HE DOES IT.  Coop looks at Coop in the monitor.  Now, besides
> >    this being typical-Lynch - like Senor Droolcup always being the
> >    harbinger of The Giant -- something strange (Coop's trick) followed
> >    but something truly bizzare (in this case, Agent Jeffreys) --
> > 
> >    I think it's a keen foreshadowing of the final episode - and a 
> >    connection to Annie showing up in Laura's bed talking about "the
> >    good Dale is in the Lodge..."  

I agree and make the same point in a  previous post noting Jeffries remark
"J:  {pointing at Cooper}  Who do you think that is there?" 
> >    Considering how everyone and everything in Twin Peaks has its
> >    double - whether it's a physical double (like Laura/Maddy, Leland/
> >    BOB) or a personality double (Donna first and second season)... this
> >    means... what?  Comments?  

I'm going to discuss the double issue in a separate post.

> >    Has Coop been expecting what happened in the final episode... all
> >    along?  And because of this, does he think he knows how to get
> >    out of it?  

According to the Diary, and I think, some remarks in the series, Coop
clearly suspects he has an important destiny and that he is in TP at that
time for a special reason, but he doesn't know what it is.  My own theory
is that one thing he goes into the lodge for (though he doesn't know it at
the time) is to redeem Laura's soul from the equivalent of purgatory, hence
the angel scene at the end of FWWM.  He can't prevent her murder, but he
does triumph in the end.

-Rich

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <18lee3INNt18@agate.berkeley.edu> sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes:
> >normal supplier. Jacques sets him up with another supplier, the deputy
>from Deer Creek.  Bobby makes sure that Mike is not invovled. Anyway,
           ^^^^^
Damn,      Meadow......what a jerk, sorry I apologize for that error.

Sally--
-- That the play is the tragedy, "Man," \\\\\ Sally A. Wilson And its hero, the Conqueror Worm. \\\\\ sally@mica.berkeley.edu ("The Conqueror Worm" \\\\\ from Egar Allan Poe's _Ligeia_) \\\\\ Spud Peel

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

The blue refers to Project Blue Book, the famous government sponsored UFO
investigation that WE, and Major Briggs, and, I believe Gordon Cole, were
all part of and which officially closed in 1969 (the approximate date of
founding of the Bookhouse Boys) with the official verdict that there were
no true UFOs.

The rose refers to the expression 'sub rosa' (under the rose). Gordon Cole
is running a sub rosa investigation into whatever is behind the UFO
phenomena (Project Blue Book).

Pretty simple, eh?  Wish the rest of it were.

-Rich Haller

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <cicero.1erl@hotcity.COM> cicero@hotcity.COM (Andreas Locicero) writes:
> >In article <1992Sep6.211420.18741@cs.mun.ca>, georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George
> >Noel) writes:
>> >>I was re-watching some episodes lately and from what I can see, the Palmer
>> >>house isn't a different "set", actually, don't they use a real house? In the
>> >>TV series, we see the house from a different perspective.. mainly from the
>> >>living room into the dining room whereas in the movie we see it mainly from
>> >>the front door to the dining room or in the dining room itself making it
> >*seem*
>> >>smaller.

> >Yes it clearly is a real house, but it is also just as clearly not the same
> >house (I went back and looked at the pilot episode too).  You are right that
> >the angle is different, but I think that was done to try to disguise the fact
> >that the house is different.

Nope, it's actually the same house.  Look carefully in the scenes right
before Laura heads up the stairs in FWWM.  Not only is the stairwell the same
(unmistakably) as in the pilot, but you also get a clear two-second glimpse
of the Palmers' kitchen, complete with counter, as it appeared in the pilot.

The living room is distinctly different from the one we saw in the series,
but that was the studio set.  It does look a little bit more like the
living room we saw in the pilot, though.

> >  In fact, I noticed that many of the locations in
> >the movie are different than the ones used in the show.  I think much of the
> >show was shot on location.  Perhaps the people who live/work in those spaces
> >didn't want to have the movie shot there after 2 years of being disturbed by
> >the series' filming?

Well, most of the regular filming for the series was shot not in Snoqualmie,
but in California.  They built a replica of certain locations which were
originally in Snoqualmie (e.g. the Johnson home) down near Van Nuys.
Other places such as the school were shot on location for the pilot, then
transferred to the studio sets, then back to location for FWWM.  (Actually
I think the school was a different one than either the studio set or the
original one, but I'm not sure why.)

I really can't see why they'd go to a different location for the Palmer
house when the studio set was still standing.  I can see them shooting the
house interior and exterior at separate locations, though, if the owners
didn't want their exterior on film for some reason.

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <18k3fjINNo46@agate.berkeley.edu> sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes:
> >I also thought that the set up for Harold's place was compeletly
> >different in the movie than it was in the series. For one thing

Yeah, now that I think about it Harold's place was almost the mirror image
of the one in the studio -- the door was on the opposite side.  That
could be because his studio set is no longer standing, so they had to go
to a location.  Or they might simply have been avoiding the standing sets
as much as possible, so they wanted to shoot on location anyway.

Either way, that's just not Harold's house.  I guess we'll have to file
that one with the mysterious way Norma's hair grew so much between the
film and the pilot.

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <1992Sep9.141210.23520@ils.nwu.edu> tsui@ils.nwu.edu writes:
> >In article <1992Sep9.044819.25167@iitmax.iit.edu> hardcle@elof.iit.edu
> >(Cleveland Hardin) writes:
>> >>Why didn't Lara Flynn Boyle play Donna in the movie? Did she have other
>> >>commitments, or did she not want to do the nudity? I'm sorry if this is
>> >>common knowledge but this has been bothering me since I saw the movie.

I heard she was, like James Marshall and Kyle MacLachlan before her, no
longer thrilled with the role in general.  Her appearances in movies like
"Mobsters" seem to imply that she has no problem with skimpy costumes /
semi-nudity.

> >I would think that the combination of other offers and the nudity had a lot to
> >do with it.  I was rather shocked to see Moira Kelly nude in that scene
> >considering how young she is, I guess it was meant to be shocking but it
> >bothered me throughout the rest of the movie.

She's not that young; I think she's 23.  The costumers and director just did
a very good job of making her look sweet, innocent, and as young as Lara
was when she shot the pilot.  Check out the otherwise tepid flick "The Cutting
Edge" to see Moira looking a little more like her own age.

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <1992Sep9.165334.2412@athena.mit.edu> abbe@athena.mit.edu (Abbe J Cohen) writes:
> >I'm new to this whole bulletin board/network thing, and I still haven't seen FWWM,
> >but when I found this net, I couldn't resist reading even the spoilers.  After
> >looking thru Coop's autobiography, I noticed something that may or may not be
> >related to the question of the ring and its significance.

> >Does anyone have any ideas whether this is related to the ring in FWWM that was
> >being discussed in various spoilers on this net?

No... but I do think it was the ring that the Giant took from Cooper in the
second season premiere and gave it back when Coop figured out that Leland
was BOB's vessel.
  
> >If so, then does this mean that
> >1. BOB was involved in Coop's mom's death,

Hmm.  Intriguing.
> >2.  wearing the ring has something to
> >do with being killed by BOB,

Well, Annie wore it and she's not dead.  Doubt if it's that simple.

> >3.  Since Coop tried on the ring (to know that it 
> >fit his pinky finger perfectly), is he going to die too,
> >making the last episode
> >of the series both more understandable and more depressing,  

Well, if it wasn't the same ring, then the question's moot.

> >4.  Does BOB perhaps
> >choose victims hereditarily (Coop, his mom, perhaps her father;  Laura, 
> >Leland).

That seems like a very strong possibility.  After all, BOB has been
haunting the woods around Twin Peaks for generations.  Probably he's tied
to the lives of the townspeople.  It could be that the Cooper family had
ties to Twin Peaks several generations back, and only now are the elements
all coming together.



</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <rhaller-090992112532@rhaller.cc.uoregon.edu> rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:
> >1969 (the approximate date of
> >founding of the Bookhouse Boys)

This seems to be a common misconception.  It seems to me that the Boys have
been together much longer than that -- remember Truman's quote in #1003
"Men before us, men before them".  It could just be that 1969 was when most
of the current crop of Bookhouse Boys (Truman, Ed, Hank, et cetera) joined.

I don't remember the precise "going on twenty years now" quote, but I think
it could be interpreted that way.

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

Lots of spoiler material ahead















Here is my theory about the ring(s) in FWWM.

The ring with the symbol on it protects the wearer from possession by BOB
(and similar beings).

The OAM tosses it to Laura in the train to help save her soul, not her
life.  Note that he seems indifferent to her death per se and leaves as
soon as she is dead, showing no interest in Ronette.  As Jacoby
hypothesized in TP, Laura wanted to die in order to escape an awful life.
She had lost hope (hence the disappearance of the angel), but refused to
let BOB take her over. There is evidence for this both in Leland's death
scene and in material in the shooting script where Laura asks Leland to
kill her:
#       Leland:  DON'T MAKE ME DO IT.
#       Laura:  NO, YOU HAVE TO KILL ME.
#       Leland:  I always thought you knew it was me.
#       Laura:  {to BOB in the mirror}  NO!  YOU CAN'T HAVE ME.  {to
Leland}
#         KILL ME.

However, following one christian mythos, Laura does not go to heaven or
hell, she goes to purgatory where Coop eventually helps her make the
transition to heaven.

OK, I can see you shaking your heads out there. "No way. Coop told her not
to take the ring."

Heh, heh. Which Coop?
#       J:  {pointing at Cooper}  Who do you think that is there?

For that matter, which Old Lady and grandson, et cetera. There are a LOT of
doppelgangaengers running around out there and 'The Owls are Not What They
Seem'.  Same argument for the OAM in the lodge.  We have a reversal here.
The good Coop is trapped in the Black Lodge, but the good OAM is out in the
world.

-Rich Haller  "In a town like Twin Peaks, you can't trust anyone."

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <18k3fjINNo46@agate.berkeley.edu>, sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes...
> > 
> > 
> >I also thought that the set up for Harold's place was compeletly
> >different in the movie than it was in the series. For one thing
> >wasn't his bookcase in a different place in the movie. And in
> >the movie his place was much darker, and it seemed that walls
> >were darker...though this might just be an effect, to set a
> >darker movie befitting the dark mood of the film.  But any
> >of you lucky folks who were able to see the film more than
> >once, can you confirm or deny this for me, that Harold's place
> >was much different in the movie...just like the Palmers.
> > 
> >Sally--

     I saw FWWM for the second time last night, and after reading
     a couple of comments on here about the locations/sets and
     their soundstage counterparts, I paid close attention.

     Harold's room - or whatever that is; trailer? - is basically
     the same.  The set from the second season was obviously
     BASED on the location they filmed his FWWM scenes in.  There
     are bookcases on BOTH sides of his apartment - i.e., on both
     sides of the greenhouse (the door to which we are shown, but
     not the window).  I thought it would have been a nice touch
     to show Harold actually HIDE the diary in his secret panel...

     As for the Palmer house -- this is the same house that was
     used in the pilot.  This is the same house that the soundstage
     sets were based on.  The thing that's throwing everybody (I think)
     is that it's no longer just a 2 dimensional, 9/10 human scale
     set: IT'S A REAL HOUSE NOW.  
     And since FWWM is a movie, with more time and allowance for 
     sophisticated shooting style, the look of the house through
     Lynch's camera can be more elaborate -- hence the confusion.

     The Hayward house - exterior and interior - is also the same
     from the pilot, just shot differently.

     Scott

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <1992Sep7.200053.18638@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, ploux@nyx.cs.du.edu (Paul Loux) writes:
> > 
> > 
> > Spoiler spaces...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
>> >> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
 Since no one else has mentioned it, I'll throw this out for
> > consideration. How about Deer Meadow as a twin of Twin Peaks.
> > You have a great case for a doppelganger community here. The
> > Sheriff's secretary is completely antithetical to Lucy's
> > sweet, winsome, helpful, generous ways. The deputy always
> > laughs, Andy always cris. Sheriff Cable couldn't be further
> > from Truman. The town (at least, the Fat Trout Trailer Park)
> > seems to be at the diametrically opposed end of the socio-
> > economic spectrum from Twin Peaks. Contrast Harry Dean Stanton
> > with Ben Horne for guest accomodations. Then there's the
> > diner, with the sardonic waitress, cigarette but hanging
> > from her lip; hardly Norma. But she is blond, as it the
> > Sheriff's secretary.
> > 
> > Another thought: point has been raised as to a possible
> > continuity error whereby Laura has already given Harold Smith
> > her secret diary _before_ she wakes up with Annie in her bed
> > telling her to write in her diary about Cooper and Laura
> > being in the Lodge. But this is in fact perfectly correct,
> > because this dream is not reflected in the diary, we don't
> > find out about it until Cooper and Donna (in the series)
> > encounter the _real_ Mrs. Tremond, who gives them the note
> > that Harold or Laura had given her to give to Donna. That
> > note describes Laura's dream in which she believes Cooper
> > is going to help her, the dream about the Lodge. So she
> > must have given that to Harold or Mrs. Tremond the next day.
> > 
> > 
GOD I LOVE THIS THEORY - a Twin, Twin Peaks.  Fits right into the other
look alikes, yet are different themes seen throughout TP and FWWM.
Cool - debbie

dcormell@SSCVX1.gov


</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

I read that Nance did some scenes but they were cut. Does anyone know
what those scenes were? Why were they cut?
Were there any other characters from the series who appeared in the
film but where entirely cut?
-- Robert Chao Oakland, California

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <cicero.1erl@hotcity.COM>, cicero@hotcity.COM (Andreas Locicero)
wrote:
> > 
> > In article <1992Sep6.211420.18741@cs.mun.ca>, georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George
> > the movie are different than the ones used in the show.  I think much of the
> > show was shot on location.  Perhaps the people who live/work in those spaces

Nope. Only the pilot. Most of the show was shot on sets in the L.A. area. 
They used some stock footage they shot during the pilot and I think they
did come up to shoot a little bit extra, but not much in Snoqualmie/North
Bend, at least, maybe they shot some of the Great Northern interiors at the
other location which is west of Seattle. Those would be expensive to
duplicate in a set. They did build a set for the R&R and some GN interiors
like Coop's room. By the way, the original is not a hotel or lodge, it is a
convention center (run by an Indian tribe, by the way). The exteriors are
of an entirely different place, the Salish Lodge, which looks nothing like
it on the inside.

Supposedly the Palmer House (TP, not Chicago :-) ) in FWWM is not the
Snoqualmie/North Bend area, though it is in the Seattle area. I can't say
if it is the same house or not.

I do know that they used a different high school, one in a town close by.
The original was undergoing extensive renovation on the outside.

They also used a set for the roadhouse instead of the bar in Seattle they
used for the interiors in the series.  The exteriors are a bar in a nearby
town (I forget the name, it is east of Snoqualmie).

-Rich Haller

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <1992Sep7.151827.11259@panix.com>, jhawk@panix.com (John
Hawkinson) wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Hmm. Here's a really far-fetched connection:
> > 
> > "formica table" == "For Mike, a table"

And what is it that one does at a table like that?  Eat.

Have to take another look at the table at 'Dead Dog Farm' where they cut
the coke. Bet it was formica.  Notice the dog reference also.

-Rich

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

Okay, the following is taken from Eugene Ehrlich's "Amo, Amas, amat,
and More:"

"sub rosa": in strict confidence or secretly....


"The phrase is of interest primarily because it has the literal meaning
"under the rose." The rose is a symbol of secrecy, perhaps deriving from
a story involving Cupid, the Roman god of love, who is said to have given
a rose to Harpocrates, the god of silence, as a bribe for not revealing
the amorous activities of Venus, the goddess of sensual love, well known
for practicing what she preached. Roman dining room ceilings were
decorated with roses to remind guest not make public things that might
be said "sub vino." [stuff about presidents and the White House Rose
Garden delete] "The power of the rose?"


Well, not much help but I thought I would add this to Rich Haller's
post.

Sally--
-- That the play is the tragedy, "Man," \\\\\ Sally A. Wilson And its hero, the Conqueror Worm. \\\\\ sally@mica.berkeley.edu ("The Conqueror Worm" \\\\\ from Egar Allan Poe's _Ligeia_) \\\\\ Spud Peel

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <1992Sep8.201154.16918@adobe.com>, asente@adobe.com (A Usenet
Pal) wrote:
> > 
> > I think the thread that must be broken is another metaphor for the circle
> > Mike spoke of in the series (appetite, something, fullfillment (I think)).
> > It make more sense than any of the more literal theories that have been
> > proposed.

Or maybe the thread of BOB possession. First Leland, and then his daughter.

May also be a reference to the apparent fact that people who were abused as
children are much more like to become abusers when they grow up than
non-abused children.

-Rich Haller

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <1992Sep06.050016.21050@microsoft.com>, t-markla@microsoft.com
(Mark Lambert) wrote:
> >   In the Lodge, he asks for his 'Garmonbozia (pain and suffering)' because he
> > is reattatched to his arm, he and the Man from Another Place speak as one and
> > the MFAP has his hand on Mike's shoulder.

My theory is that the OAM in this scene is the bad one, not to be confused
with the good one who is outside trying to thwart BOB. Coop is in the
reverse position.

> >   This may be a bit contrived, but the telegraph pole bears the numbers 12480
> > and 6. If you sum the digits of 12480 you get 15, sum those and get 6. So 
> > that's two sixes. I looked hard for another, but couldn't see one. 666 is 
> > probably too traditional for Lynch anyway.

Probably, but I suspect the 6 on the pole is an intentional reference to
666.

-Rich

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

Unfortunately with me I have no universal dictionary for symbolism,
but I do have George Ferguson's "Signs & Symbols in Christian Art,"
and this is what is says about the color blue, "The color of the
sky, symbolizes 'Heaven' and heavenly love. [not much help there?]
It is the color of truth, because the blue always appears in the sky
after the clouds are dispelled, suggesting the unveiling of truth."


This is a little too religious a definition to apply to TP, yet
I think the idea of "Blue" representing "truth could fit into,
the symbolism of the Blue Rose. Then again I propbably am all
wrong...

Just thought I would post this to add to the general discussion...


Sally--

-- That the play is the tragedy, "Man," \\\\\ Sally A. Wilson And its hero, the Conqueror Worm. \\\\\ sally@mica.berkeley.edu ("The Conqueror Worm" \\\\\ from Egar Allan Poe's _Ligeia_) \\\\\ Spud Peel

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <1992Sep7.025558.22112@cs.mun.ca>, georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca
(George Noel) wrote:
>> >>   Also, remember in the pilot version when Josie tells Pete to "pull the
> >   plug" at the mill.. Pete is sitting down, saying to himself..
> >    "2X4s, 4X8s.." repeatedly (I found that scene funny alone) apparently in
> >    the movie there is a scene cut where Josie and Pete make reference to a
> >    choice between 2X4s and 4X8s which was supposed to be funny. This would
> >    explain why Pete was saying that in that scene.

I can confirm that Lynch talked to Jack Nance and Joan Chen about a scene
involving 2x4s that they were going to shoot for FWWM.  It isn't in the
precise of the script that was posting here, but I eavesdropped on them on
location.

-Rich Haller

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <rhaller-090992125112@rhaller.cc.uoregon.edu> rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:
> >Probably, but I suspect the 6 on the pole is an intentional reference to
> >666.

Or, like the Monkey, a reference to The Prisoner?

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

I think that Mike does in fact know that Lelund is Bob in the car yelling
scene, he was i think trying to tell the Lelund in Bob the right thing to do.

Just a thought ("The Black Dog Runs at Night", directly from the soundtrack.)

Matt



</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

Oh, the titles of the songs are a good help with the interpretation of the
Movie.  Check out the soundtrack.

"Questions in a World of Blue", huh? Blue Rose? Could there be some
connection, i think so, maybe, who knows, any guesses?

Why does Sarah smoke so damn much?!  And does Donna's remark "if i had
a nickle for every cigarette your mom smoked - i'd be dead," have a point?

Harold's place, hey i would change the scenery too if i couldnt leave my 
house.

Bobby's walking backwards and the song to it - you know the laugh coming
on song, with the asphalt?  Why backwards, he did it in the original 
series premiere too.

Questions, questions, questions... Lynch you sick little monkey.

Matt

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <18lee3INNt18@agate.berkeley.edu>, sally@anableps.berkeley.edu
(S. A. Wilson) wrote:
> > 
> > In article <las283INN3r6@news.bbn.com> clements@bbn.com (Bob Clements) writes:
> > SPOILER
> > 
>> > >
>> > >As far as I've seen, nobody has yet figured out why Laura says
>> > >"You shot MIKE" after Bobby shoots the deputy.
>> > >
>> > >When I heard that line, I thought she was saying "You shot Mike",
>> > >not "You shot MIKE".  I.e., she thought Bobby had killed their
>> > >high school classmate Mike, the future close friend of Nadine,
>> > >and not the metaphysical enemy of BOB.
>> > >
>> > >At that point in the timeline did Laura know anything about MIKE?
>> > >
>> > >Not that it makes much more sense referring to Mike...
>> > >
>> > >Bob Clements, K1BC, clements@bbn.com
> > 
> > 
> > I thought that she thought it was Mike, Snake (wasn't that his nickname),
> > because she was pretty funked-up (to quote Blackie). But also, Bobby
> > and Mike were partners in dealing. Just before that Laura convinced
> > Bobby to get here more cocaine...this stuff was for her, not to deal.
> > Bobby then goes directly to Jacques, and does not deal with Leo, his
> > normal supplier. Jacques sets him up with another supplier, the deputy
> > from Deer Creek.  Bobby makes sure that Mike is not invovled. Anyway,
> > when the deal comes down, Laura is unware of all this, and assumes
> > that it is Mike who appears in the woods, since he is partners with
> > Bobby. This, plus as I said, she was pretty funked-up made her think
> > that the deputy was Mike. I don't think it had anything to do with
> > the Lodges and all....I was just another one of thus darkly humorous
> > scenes...almost like the car accident scene in WaH.
> > 
> > 
> > Sally--

Correct me if I'm wrong (it's the end of a long day, and I've only seen the
movie once), but didn't the deputy deliver the drugs in a football? And
weren't Mike and Bob teammates? Maybe that added to Laura's drug-induced
confusion.

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <rhaller-090992125635@rhaller.cc.uoregon.edu>, rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:
> > In article <1992Sep7.025558.22112@cs.mun.ca>, georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca
> > (George Noel) wrote:
>>> >>>   Also, remember in the pilot version when Josie tells Pete to "pull the
>> >>   plug" at the mill.. Pete is sitting down, saying to himself..
>> >>    "2X4s, 4X8s.." repeatedly (I found that scene funny alone) apparently in
>> >>    the movie there is a scene cut where Josie and Pete make reference to a
>> >>    choice between 2X4s and 4X8s which was supposed to be funny. This would
>> >>    explain why Pete was saying that in that scene.
> > 
> > I can confirm that Lynch talked to Jack Nance and Joan Chen about a scene
> > involving 2x4s that they were going to shoot for FWWM.  It isn't in the
> > precise of the script that was posting here, but I eavesdropped on them on
> > location.
> > 

Was the scene actually shot? And are there other scenes featuring some of our
favorites that were actually shot, but are now playing to the cutting room
floor? Just wondering...
Mike "I'll get you some Valium."

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

I think the "With this ring I thee wed", comment is a good point.
but i dont think the ring transports anyone, Teresa had it for a long
time, perhaps it lets you experience the lodges or something of that 
sort.  Comments?

I also noticed in the viewings of FWWM that the lodges in the movies
the floors were really dirty and in the series they were really clean and 
shiny, perhaps a cinematographer or directorial artistic decision?

When Laura looked back at the picture and saw herself, what was that, did she
enter the lodge or finally realize about how the lodge works?  Answers
anyone?

Oh Dave what a tangled web ye weave...

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

(Andreas Locicero) writes:
> > (George Noel) writes:
>> >>01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
>>> >>>(George Noel)
>>>> >>>> (Joe Zitt)
>>>>> >>>>>01sybok@ac.dal.ca writes:
>> >>
>> >> Actually, this is true.. now that I think of it Twin Peaks DOES resemble
>> >> Canada like you said. As a sidenote, on a comedy show I was watching there
>> >> was a sketch where a comedian was saying that Canada would be the perfect
>> >> country to invade someone else. You would have the president from the other
>> >> country calling the UN and telling them that Canada is invading us and the
>> >> UN would say Canada? They wouldn't do anything like that... :-)

> > Most Americans who don't live near the Canadian border know next to nothing
> > about Canada.  They have vague notions about beer drinking, Lumber jacks, and
> > the McKenzie twins.  It is really a sad situation that we are so ignorant of
> > one of our nearest neighbors.  However, cinematicly speaking this ignorance
> > means that you can construct a mileu like TP and create a very effective
> > MYTHICAL Canada to set your film in.  (Of course this won't work for
> > Canadians).  It is also true the Twin Peaks is a lot like Canada in some ways ,
> > because it is true the much of the U.S. near the boarder is like Canada. 
> > Listen to a northern Minnesotan talk sometime.

Exactly... Your characterization of Canada is what I was thinking of when I
mentioned I thought Canada was a lot like Twin Peaks. DO you think Lynch
is poking fun at Americans for not knowing as much as they might about Canada,
Or do you think he really believes Canada is like The Pink Room/One Eyed Jacks
etc..?

As a side note, I took a good look at the curtains in The Pink Room. I used to
have those exact curtains at another house. Gee, I wish I'd taken them with me 
now...
Oh well...
Mike (I want all my Garmonbozia)

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

The ring that was Coop's mom's and that whole scenario sounds exactly
like the scene in which Laura is dreaming and Coop says to her "don't take
the ring" and she wakes up with it, screams, and then later there is a
strange hand thing back and forth with the sound and her opening and closing 
her hand and then the ring is gone.  But she never really has the ring until
the end of the movie when MIKE gives it to her, she has the locket instead,
who is James really, where did he get the locket and if everyone has a
doppleganger who is james'.  Hey, doppleganger, twin, Twin Peaks? Cool.

Matt

Lynch, is there more than fire walking with you or what.



</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <15364@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the
Frog here...) wrote:
> > 
> > In article <rhaller-090992112532@rhaller.cc.uoregon.edu> rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:
>> > >1969 (the approximate date of
>> > >founding of the Bookhouse Boys)
> > 
> > This seems to be a common misconception.  It seems to me that the Boys have
> > been together much longer than that -- remember Truman's quote in #1003
> > "Men before us, men before them".  It could just be that 1969 was when most
> > of the current crop of Bookhouse Boys (Truman, Ed, Hank, et cetera) joined.
> > 
> > I don't remember the precise "going on twenty years now" quote, but I think
> > it could be interpreted that way.

I agree with you that Truman says something about problems and men dealing
with them before simply 20 years ago.  I got the 69 date from the timeline
preface and forgot to check the episode that they had used to create the
supposed event.  I think 20 years ago was probably as you state when the
current group got started, and probably when they started using the
bookhouse as their meeting place and using the name.

When they introduced the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn as the date when
'they will receive you'  (Major Briggs) there was some suggestion about a
periodic event, lets say roughly every 20 years, when maybe particularly
bad things happen in the TP area.

-Rich Haller

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

What does Major Briggs tatoo look like to you now that we know about angels
:-)   If you are using a Mac, try courier.

  Major Briggs:        Margaret:
     /\    /\            /\             /\
    /  \  /  \          /  \           /  \
   /____\/____\        /    \/\     /\/    \
        /\            /        \   /        \
       /  \          /__________\ /__________\
      /____\

-Rich Haller

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:

> >I can't for the life of me remember what character he played.  Yet he
> >must have been important enough to get title-sequence billing...

  He was the man with the very long beard in the room with Bob, the Tremonts/
Chalfonts, the LMFAP, and some others.  He was in the title sequence either
because he's a big enough name in H-wood to warrant it (likely) or because
he originally had a larger role than survived in the US release (would non-
US viewers please comment?).
  My guess is the former... he has worked with Lynch before (Dune) and prob-
ably did this cameo as a favor.



-- Nualle" Schallenberger | \ |\/ Let the dogmatics Music Geek (working my way up to | \|/\ do the howling. `Fuguing Tune') | |\ email: shallenb@spot.colorado.edu | -| \ -Tammy Blandino

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

kwh@CS.CMU.EDU (Kevin Hartmann) writes:

> >I remember an angel helping someone in FWWM also.  But I can't remember the
> >situation.  Does anyone else?

> >Kevin

  The angel showed up in the train car and released Ronette Pulaski's bonds.




-- Nualle" Schallenberger | \ |\/ Let the dogmatics Music Geek (working my way up to | \|/\ do the howling. `Fuguing Tune') | |\ email: shallenb@spot.colorado.edu | -| \ -Tammy Blandino

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <1992Sep7.170616.2107@intacc.uucp> zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) writes:
> >In article <1992Sep2.065249.4832@cs.mun.ca> georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George Noel) writes:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>What is the symbolism of the White Horse that Mrs. Palmer sees in her visions?
>> >>
>> >> The only other time we see Sarah seeing the white horse was when Maddy
>> >> was killed and Leland gave her the same type of drink (milk..warm milk?). If
>> >> you noticed, it left a residue in the glass.. Leland drugged Sarah so she
>> >> wouldn't know that he left the house (to kill Laura). He drugged Sarah in
>> >> the series so she wouldn't know he killed Maddy. The White Horse represents
>> >> the drug that he gave her I guess (a vision because of the drug).
> >
> >I don't know where the expression "Death rides a white horse" comes from but it'something that I've heard for many years.  "Death comes on a white horse"????
> >maybe????  Is it from Revelations?  
> >
> >It would be an extreme stretch to suggest that the white horse has to do with
> >the white liquid in Sarah's glass.
> >
> >I may be totally wrong but I'm a.....................
> >
> >ferenc
> >

It's "on a pale horse"  and yes it does come from revelations.  The 4th
horseman of the apocalypse is Death and corruption who rides a pale horse.
The first horseman actually is the one on the white horse and represents
false peace through the anti-christ.  Just to fill in the gaps the second
horseman is war and rides a red horse and the third is famine & plague and 
rides a black horse.
__
We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.
SRD


</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

I think Laura was quite aware it wasn't either Mike or MIKE that Bobby shot,
she was just saying it to freak Bobby out and be mean.  Laura liked corrupting
people, she liked being mean, especially to Bobby.  
She just kept teasing saying "You shot Mike!" and Bobby started to believe 
it and got destressed.  Which got Laura off more...  I thought it was one
of the best bits of the movie.

-- Craig Jackson --- Omniscient fool --- omni@ucscb.ucsc.edu

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

> >Both Pierre and the strange fellow from Jeffries' dream sequence are seen
> >holding a stick-like item.  Pierre has it when he runs in a circle at the
> >hotel (as Leland is leaving), the other guy has it in the dream sequence.

 I noticed from re-watching some episodes that Doc Hayward when going to
 Jacques's cabin also has a similar stick (though bigger) and Catherine also
 has a similar stick when she returns from the fire, and in Truman's office.
> >
> >Anyone else notice that we have the return of the stuffed animal heads in
> >the Deer Meadow police office?  Still not sure what those imply...

I have been wondering about them also.. we see Caribou/Deer heads on various
walls, a caribou in a picture, a caribou statue by Miss Twin Peaks stage etc.

-=*George*=-



</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <rhaller-090992124238@rhaller.cc.uoregon.edu> rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:
> >In article <1992Sep7.151827.11259@panix.com>, jhawk@panix.com (John
> >Hawkinson) wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> Hmm. Here's a really far-fetched connection:
>> >> 
>> >> "formica table" == "For Mike, a table"
> >
> >And what is it that one does at a table like that?  Eat.
> >
> >Have to take another look at the table at 'Dead Dog Farm' where they cut
> >the coke. Bet it was formica.  Notice the dog reference also.
> >
> >-Rich

 Nope, it wasn't formica BUT it had CHROME on it. Also they were either eating
 or dealing drugs around it like the lodge people would be eating the
 creamed corn.

 -=*George*=-


</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

HI,
I heard mentioned that over in Japan they have the entire
series released on LD.  Can any one confirm, or deny this?  And if it
was released in Japan, does it have subtitles, I know most Japanese
speak English, but I not sure.  Also, if they do exist what format are
they in?  IE are they boxed, or on a per episode basis.  And lastly,
any one know where to buy them from if they exist?
Thanks,
-- -Scott Violet (xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu)

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <1992Sep10.015816.20162@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> shallenb@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nualle") writes:
> >jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:
> >
>> >>I can't for the life of me remember what character he played.  Yet he
>> >>must have been important enough to get title-sequence billing...
> >
> >  He was the man with the very long beard in the room with Bob, the Tremonts/
> >Chalfonts, the LMFAP, and some others.  He was in the title sequence either
> >because he's a big enough name in H-wood to warrant it (likely) or because
> >he originally had a larger role than survived in the US release (would non-
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Does anyone know if there _is_ a        ^
difference between the US and
European(etc) releases?  If so,
could you please let us know?

Thanks in advance - and sorry if this has already come up a million
times.

-Peter
"hopelessly fighting the devil futility..."















</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

Well ,well, after going through about 200 articles, I'd like to toss in a few
details I noticed during my second watch of the movie:

1- No way, as some have pointed out, there is no hand or arm of Coop's sticking
out of the door. This is quite inconsequential I know, but Coop is startled
only after seeing the monitor with his entire figure on it.

2- As Roger pointed out, the white mask has (always not just once) a protrusion
at forehead level. It looks like a twig. Also, when Pierre Tremond talks to
Laura telling her that "the man behind the mask" is looking for the book with
the pages torn out he is NOT pointing at himself as a poster suggested.

3- For what it's worth the number on the pole is 24810 but is looks as if there
is a first number (I think an 8) hidden behind a wire.

4- The men at Hap's diner when Chet and Sam walk in. It lokks as if there are
three: the one that talked to the two, one sitting down behind a counter and
another sitting against a wall (or doorway). The first man is complaining about
the "damn light."

5- The girl with the bloody nose (not the slashed throat) in Laura's bed is
most definitely Annie. If nothing else listen to the way she speaks. It's the
same high and silky voice of Heather Graham.

The posting of Bowie's uncut talk is quite informative. He talks over the
convenience-room scene but as is the case for the OAM shouting over the engine
roar the whole speech is hard to understand. 

It seems to me that Laura might be speaking in Lodge-speak a few times. One
time I can clearly remember is when she is in the woods with James. (I think
it's in this scene that Sheryl Lee turns in her best performance of the movie.)
At a certain point after they dismounted from the bike she says something weird
that I could not make out and James answers with "What?" Could those of you
with the script confirm/deny this?



     noJ



</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

I still think that the "owl ring" is some form of "marriage bond" between
the wearer and the giver, and that it is connected to the Black Lodge, thus
it is a symbol of the wearer having sold his/her soul to the Lodge, the
"forces of Darkness." Now, when the wearer is eventually ritualistically
murdered BOB places the ring in the circle as a form of sealing the pact.
Now, if I remember correctly, Leland (under the possession of BOB) was
angered at Laura's half locket, the heart which to me symbolizes a form
of "pure love." Now, Laura wearing this symbol as opposed to a symbol of
her giving herself to the Black Lodge angers BOB. When he ritualistically
murders her he sacrifices the half heart, yet being a symbol of "pure love,"
there is no pact with the darker forces. BOB and the Black Lodge inhabitants
lose out. Wasn't "love" one of the forces which open the gateways to the
Lodges, to the White Lodge?


Sally--
-- That the play is the tragedy, "Man," \\\\\ Sally A. Wilson And its hero, the Conqueror Worm. \\\\\ sally@mica.berkeley.edu ("The Conqueror Worm" \\\\\ from Egar Allan Poe's _Ligeia_) \\\\\ Spud Peel

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

daily@a.cs.okstate.edu (DAILY STEPHEN RICH) writes:

> > In article <1992Sep7.170616.2107@intacc.uucp> zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Sz
>> > >In article <1992Sep2.065249.4832@cs.mun.ca> georgen@pooky.cs.mun.ca (George 
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>>What is the symbolism of the White Horse that Mrs. Palmer sees in her visi
>>> > >>
>>> > >> The only other time we see Sarah seeing the white horse was when Maddy
>>> > >> was killed and Leland gave her the same type of drink (milk..warm milk?). 
>>> > >> you noticed, it left a residue in the glass.. Leland drugged Sarah so she
>>> > >> wouldn't know that he left the house (to kill Laura). He drugged Sarah in
>>> > >> the series so she wouldn't know he killed Maddy. The White Horse represent
>>> > >> the drug that he gave her I guess (a vision because of the drug).
>> > >
>> > >I don't know where the expression "Death rides a white horse" comes from but
>> > >maybe????  Is it from Revelations?  
>> > >
>> > >It would be an extreme stretch to suggest that the white horse has to do wit
>> > >the white liquid in Sarah's glass.
>> > >
>> > >I may be totally wrong but I'm a.....................
>> > >
>> > >ferenc
>> > >
> > 
> > It's "on a pale horse"  and yes it does come from revelations.  The 4th
> > horseman of the apocalypse is Death and corruption who rides a pale horse.
> > The first horseman actually is the one on the white horse and represents
> > false peace through the anti-christ.  Just to fill in the gaps the second
> > horseman is war and rides a red horse and the third is famine & plague and 
> > rides a black horse.
> > __
> > We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.
> > SRD
> > 

Just for information,  Leland did not drug Sarah the night that he killed 
Laura, it was the night before.  The night when BOB came through her 
window and she discovered that it was her father.


Bye For Now...
           ___  ____  ____           ____   ____     ___  _____  _   _
  /\      /   |/  __||  __|         |  _ \ |  __|   /   ||_   _|| | | |
 /  \    / /| || |   | |__   __  __ | | \ || |__   / /| |  | |  | |_| |
(    )  / __  || |__ | |__  |  ||_  | |_/ || |__  / __  |  | |  |  _  |
 ~/\~  /_/  |_|\____||____| |__||   |____/ |____|/_/  |_|  |_|  |_| |_|
  ~~                ace@eisley.wa.com

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

> >     As for the Palmer house -- this is the same house that was
> >     used in the pilot.  This is the same house that the soundstage
> >     sets were based on.  The thing that's throwing everybody (I think)
> >     is that it's no longer just a 2 dimensional, 9/10 human scale
> >     set: IT'S A REAL HOUSE NOW.  

Is it?  It is not the same as the set they used for the rest of the series
at least.  Remember in 2008 when Leland is playing golf in the living room
then he answers the door to James and Donna?  The living room is to the
right as you walk in through the front door.  However in the movie,
as you walk in through the front door, the dining room is there
(remember the shot of Leland sitting at the table and Laura walking
in through the front door at the right side of the shot).

> >     The Hayward house - exterior and interior - is also the same
> >     from the pilot, just shot differently.

What happened to the green sofa?  I remember it being white in the series
(when BOB crawls over it to Maddy in her vision).  Lot of ferns too.

ed


-- /\__Edwin Nomura -- enomura@ucsd.edu__________.:___________.____________/\ / \\ .:. . : . : / \\ / \\\ : .:: : : Fire walk with me :.. : . : / \\\ / \\\\..::..:::.:::::.:.:.....:::::...::..:...:::::.:.:::::.:....::.../ \\\\

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

We hear the Indian whooping sound at least six times.

1)  When the lady with the ice-pack walks up to the trailer, there is
    a shot of the telephone pole there.  The sound accompanies the telephone
    pole.

2)  Again, the sound accompanies the telephone pole, this time when Desmond
    is looking at it.

3)  The LMFAP demonstrates it to Cooper.

4)  Still in Laura's dream, when she gets up to open the door of her room,
    we very faintly hear it.

5)  In Leland's flashback of the TV set being axed, we hear it from what
    sounds like inside the TV just before it is hit.  The sound does not
    accompany the TV shot at the beginning of the film.

6)  When the OAM is chasing Laura and Leland on their way to meet Sarah
    for breakfast, we hear it when we first see the OAM's vehicle.



ed

-- /\__Edwin Nomura -- enomura@ucsd.edu__________.:___________.____________/\ / \\ .:. . : . : / \\ / \\\ : .:: : : Fire walk with me :.. : . : / \\\ / \\\\..::..:::.:::::.:.:.....:::::...::..:...:::::.:.:::::.:....::.../ \\\\

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <cicero.1esb@hotcity.COM> cicero@hotcity.COM (Andreas Locicero) writes:

> >On the subject of possible future miniseries:

> >I too woul be overjoyed to see them this might be the perfect vehicle for TP,
> >however there are big problems ahead for this.  Many of the original cast are
> >now unwilling to do twin-peaks work, and as time passes, the younger actors
> >will be unable to play the characters because they are getting to old.  Sheryl
> >Lee did IMHO a wonderful job in FWWM, but lets face it,  She's already pushing
> >it as a convincing teenager.


Well, i have some ideas about the possible miniseries.
First of all, if they really have a 3h40m director's cut of FWWM, 
the could do a four (or even five) hours miniseries with that. 
I think that it was made with Dune for the RAI (Italian Television). 
The Japanese cable channel WOW WOW would surely buy it. 

And for a real sequel miniseries, it could be said to happen some years 
after the original TP (for example in the 10th anniversary of Laura's
death). No problem with the teenagers getting older, and the actors not
willing to participate can have their characters "moved" to a different
city or something. 
Think about it. We could see Lucy's baby. 


    $@(.(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(/(J
    $@(-(J        Manuel J. Pece        $@(-(J
    $@(-(Jpece@taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp $@(-(J        
    $@(1(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(,(J$@(,(0(J

--
pece@taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

From: Summer Storm 

Re: observations, questions, responses                            
    
Have been away from the net for two weeks. Saw FWWM and just now 
sifted through 170 pages of communications. Yeah, yeah get a life. 

There are references to a hospital scene in FWWM. I saw no hospital 
scene in the version I saw.

To the powers that be (and that includes editors): to take a 3:40 
movie that was obviously made for the original fans, and cut it to 
2:09 has to be one of the cruelest, stupidest moves of all time!

Someone mentioned that Catherine mentions a guardian angel. I don't 
think this has anything to do w/FWWM angels, because we know that 
Brother Andrew helped her while she was in hiding, and she also was 
disguised. 

Coop's ring is sometimes mentioned, but for those not familiar with 
My Life My Tapes, Coop got that ring from his dead mother.

The John Anderson review: sounds like the book he should have 
brought to the theatre would be Dick and Jane. (A grade school 
primer for those not in the US)

To Ed Hughes:
3d. Laura's arms are tied back. They're just down and back 
    instead of up and back.
7. Disagree: Kyle was fine, kinda like the Coop in the first 
    season, first episode.

Can't wait to see the 3:40 version!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Doesn't Gerrard say that the tatoo says, "Mom" when he breaks down 
and cries (series)?

Ben wasn't falsely accused by Mike at the Gr. Nor. We learn later 
that Leland was also in the room, but Coop and Truman misconstrue 
Mike's falling down attack. 

The bar scene was totally cool, but why not have had that take place 
in OEJ's? Now that would have been great!

Waldo never leaves his cage in the movie. Stupid small mistake.

I thought Moira Kelly was terrific. She has a more innocent look 
than LFB, so corrupting her was more effective. It also had to be 
hard for her to step into a major character like that knowing the 
audience would be made up of a lot of LFB fans.

I thought I read that Fenn had other commitments. I find it hard to 
believe that she would be scared off by the nudity or the violence 
considering she was in Wild at Heart, did a "spread" for Playboy, 
and is going to star in a movie as a quadruple amputee. 

"Mrs. Tremond's" grandson in the series says, "I am a lonely soul." 
This is what Harold's suicide note also says.

To whoever posted that Audrey left the bank before it blew up: She 
was chained to the vault. Who unchained her? She's history, man. 

To the person who fears that we will all think Canadians are like 
the people in the bar scene. We won't. Just like all Americans are 
not like Clint Eastwood. In Florida, we get a lot of your 
grandparents down here each winter. They are very nice folks, but 
they drive really slowly in the left lanes! 

My 2 cents: I loved what was left of the movie after "they" hacked 
an hour and 31 minutes out of it. No wonder it's choppy. Needed: a 
longer death scene, and more of everything in general. One thing I 
really noticed was that I never felt bad that Laura specifically was 
dead just from watching the series, but the movie let us all know 
her. Meals-on-wheels, Johnny & Josie's tutor, coke abuser, and 
sexual experimentor. " The fact that Laura sought medication, no 
matter how dubious...." (Jacoby-can't remember the rest of the 
quote.) Anyway, you feel really sorry for her, and I kept waiting 
for her to triumph and not die. But hell, I'm a sentimental slob who 
thinks that Rhett turned on his heel and came back to Scarlett only 
minutes after the book ends!

    ---------Summer Storm

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <15362@umd5.umd.edu>, jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes...
> >I heard she was, like James Marshall and Kyle MacLachlan before her, no
> >longer thrilled with the role in general.  Her appearances in movies like
> >"Mobsters" seem to imply that she has no problem with skimpy costumes /
> >semi-nudity.
    When Lara appeared on Arsenio to plug "Mobsters", she said 
that the nude scene was actually done by a double, as she refused to
do it and the director wanted the scene in the film.
                                     George...
"Sometimes things happen just like that!"

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <1992Sep9.193907.7425@ac.dal.ca>, 01sybok@ac.dal.ca wrote:
> > 
> > Was the scene actually shot? And are there other scenes featuring some of our
> > favorites that were actually shot, but are now playing to the cutting room
> > floor? Just wondering...

I don't know.  Lynch talked about the scene as though it was to be shot 
later that day or the next, but we didn't stick around long enough to see.
The precis of the shooting script that someone posted has the following in
it which contains both Pete and several other of our favorite characters
who didn't make the cut:
#-- Laura tells Bobby at school she needs more and they agree to meet at 11
#   -- Laura runs into James and they agree to meet later in the afternoon
#   -- Johnny's birthday at Ben's office.  Ben tries to blow up a large
#      rubber Indian.  Johnny steps in his cake.  Leland looks at Laura's
#      picture on Ben's desk.  Sylvia asks why there are no pictures of
#      her, Johnny or Audrey there.  Jerry and Leland talk about the
French.
#      Jerry mentions that they love the trees more than anything.  Leland
#      mentions that Sarah's cousin is French and can't stop talking about
#      the trees around here.
#   -- At the sheriff's station, Hawk reports to Truman that Joey just
#      called.  Bernie left Canada an hour ago.  They and Andy prepare to
set
#      a trap for him.
#   -- Laura arrives quietly at Ben's after Johnny's party.  He gives her
#      some cocaine.  She says she'll do more than kiss him for it.

#   10:59 pm (clock)
#   -- Bobby roars through the night, radio blasting
#   -- Laura sneaks out of the house and meets Laura two front yards away.
#      They toot up while he drives.
#   -- Pete pulls into Big Ed's Gas Farm for some gas.  Ed fills it up and
#      wipes the windshield.  There's a spot on the inside so Ed hands Pete
#      a rag.
#       Pete:  {as he cleans}  Even this heavy work beats being at home
with
#         the ball and chain.
#       Ed:  Brother, I hear you talkin'.

-Rich Haller

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <carl-090992175400@mac7.gsfc.nasa.gov> carl@class.gsfc.nasa.gov
(Carl F. Hostetter) writes:
> >Correct me if I'm wrong (it's the end of a long day, and I've only seen the
> >movie once), but didn't the deputy deliver the drugs in a football? And
> >weren't Mike and Bob teammates? Maybe that added to Laura's drug-induced
> >confusion.
> >

You're wrong, the drugs were in a plain white pack. Just after pulling the pack
out and waiting for Laura to approach him, the "courier" draws the gun.

By the way, I am not so sure that it is the same deputy as in Deer Meadow. How
are we so sure about that? I tried to look at the credits but I only could find
one for deputy Cliff but none for the courier. Then again, they were flashing
by quite fast.


      noJ

 


</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

Just a reminder that the whole bundle of clues like The Owls, The
Owls Are Not What They Seem, Major Briggs having worked on Project
Blue Book, etc. etc. point not to *spirits* so much as to Aliens,
that is beings from UFOs.

Anything can happen in a Lynchian world, but it's more likely that the
FBI would be investigating a *special* series of events, i.e. the Blue
Rose cases, if they were associated with something like UFOs. They would,
of course, also investigate what appeared to be a serial killer (BOB/Leland)
but that would be somewhat a matter of course.

Anyway, in the UFO/Visitor literature, there are many instances where people
had contacts with Aliens but developed *screen memories* of animals, especially
owls. The person would believe they had seen an owl in a most unlikely place,
and come to realizeunder hypnosis, that it was the face of an Alien -- the
big white head and huge black eyes. So to say, "The owls are not what they
seem," fits this.  Also in UFO literature, a principal action is the abduction
of humans. Often, like Major Briggs, they are later returned with no memories
of what happened.

All of the elements surrounding the Others -- BOB, MIKE, MFAP, etc, are
slightly
on the *spirit* side, and slightly on the *Alien* side, so it's confusing.
But then, that'sLynch.

Lou

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <MJ1078.92Sep10174313@sol.taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp> mj1078@taurus.cse.kyutech.ac.jp (mmanuel pece) writes:

   Well, i have some ideas about the possible miniseries.
   First of all, if they really have a 3h40m director's cut of FWWM, 
   the could do a four (or even five) hours miniseries with that. 
   I think that it was made with Dune for the RAI (Italian Television). 
   The Japanese cable channel WOW WOW would surely buy it. 

Yes, but would they change their name to ``WOW bOb WOW'' for the
occasion?

-30-
Bob

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <9208300306.AA09030@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> C491153@MIZZOU1.missouri.edu (John Schultz) writes:
> >Arr, matey!  Thar be spoilers here!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Jeremy Matthew Toeman <jt3h+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>> >>3] Did they forget to put in a scene of a letter being shoved under the
>> >>girls' fingernails?? I *KNOW* they both had them. (Either that, or my
>> >>memory is way-screwed)
> >
> >I don't remember seeing this scene in the movie.  Wouldn't BOB/Leland
> >had to have put the letters under Ronette and Laura's fingers *before*
> >Mike gets there?  As Ronette tries to open the door, BOB beats her,
> >then throws her outside and leaves her there.  Did he come back for the
> >finger perhaps?

Ronette didn't have a letter under her fingernail when Cooper examined her
in the tv pilot.  The only 3 letters I am aware of were from Theresa Banks,
Laura and Maddie (R B T).  Leland/BOB would have had plenty of time to
put the letter under Laura's fingernail between the time of Mike's 
departure and putting Laura in the water.

There were a few details explained in the tv series that never made it]
to the movie.  Not to say they couldn't have still logically happened.
 -Waldo biting Laura
 -Jacques saying: "Bite the bullet, baby"
 -Bobby crying after making love to Laura (as told to Jacoby) 

However, there were indeed a lot of tiny details in the movie that were
directly known from the tv series that made it all the more spooky.  As
soon as Laura said "Goodnight, mom" and Sarah said "Goodnight, sweetheart"
(paraphrased??) I got a chill up my spine because I knew IT had started.


ferenc




</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <1992Sep10.162031.17073@cco.caltech.edu> UnoJ writes:
> >By the way, I am not so sure that it is the same deputy as in Deer Meadow. How
> >are we so sure about that? I tried to look at the credits but I only could find

It is clearly the same person.  Besides, the shooting script so says that
we are to recognize him as Deputy Cliff.

ed


-- /\__Edwin Nomura -- enomura@ucsd.edu__________.:___________.____________/\ / \\ .:. . : . : / \\ / \\\ : .:: : : Fire walk with me :.. : . : / \\\ / \\\\..::..:::.:::::.:.:.....:::::...::..:...:::::.:.:::::.:....::.../ \\\\

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

slg20427@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (^Fire Walk With Me^) writes:

> > I saw FWWM for the second time with my girlfriend and SHE had some
> > observations which I thought I would share with you.
> > 
> > She thought the stuff be eaten/spit out from the spoon at the end was
> > Monkey Brains!!!  She said that's why they showed the monkey previous
> > to it.  I thought the stuff was supposed to be creamed corn myself.
> > 
> > Also she thinks that Chet Desmond ended up in the black lodge because
> > that's where the ring transported him.  She referred to the line
> > "With this ring, I thee wed." as meaning the ring brings people to the
> > lodge.  She thinks that the character played by Jurgon Pruchnow (man with
> > beard above convenience store) is actually Chet Desmond at some later point.
> > 
> > Any comments on these weird ideas?
> > -- 
> > ^ Steven Greco ^ (aka Windom Earle) 
> > slg20427@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu             "Color Me Amazed"-Agent Albert Rosenfie
> > greco@suna0.cs.uiuc.edu

I agree wit all the above ideas except the first one, that was creamed corn. 
As far as the second idea: The ring transports you to the black lodge, thus 
the qwl cave symbols. The symbols were a map to the lodg, Andy figured that 
out. In the Lodge you confront your shadow selfs if you survive you go to th 
white lodge. Laura already confronted her shadow self, when Bob tried to 
invade hed, but she escaped to the white lodge.

 /-------------------------------------------------------------------------\
| It's all a game...                                                        |
|                        Gregory C. Salmieri                                |
|                                                       ...It's all the same|
 \-------------------------------------------------------------------------/

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In alt.tv.twin-peaks, v075q5fr@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Scott J Gorcey) writes:

> > DAVID LYNCH'S PREQUEL OF CONTEMPT
> > 
> >      * TWIN PEAKS: FIRE WALK WITH ME. (R)  All the eccentricity,
> >        and none of the electricity, of David Lynch.  With Sheryl
> >        Lee, Moira Kelly, Ray Wise, James Marshall.  Directed  by
> >        David Lynch.  At area theaters.
> > 
> > 
> > By John Anderson
> >    STAFF WRITER
> > 
> >    IF YOU PLAN on seeing "Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me," bring a book.

He is being a little harsh.  Even I enjoyed the movie more than this,
but then I loved the series.  His review is perfectly adequate
and very right for someone who did not even care about the tv show.

> >    You won't be able to read it in the darkened theater, of course, but
> > it should still provide more entertainment than what's on the screen.  
> > Feel the binding.  Flip through the pages.  Wear it on your head.  By 
> > the time this movie - and calling it that presumes, wrongly, that it
> > moves - ends, playing with your book will seem like high adventure.

This was really funny.

> >    David Lynch's long-gone and unlamented [Fucker!]

Jeez.  You seem to be really angry about this.

> >    Anyone who managed to watch the show knows who killed Laura Palmer 
> > (Sheryl Lee), the young woman in plastic wrap whose murder was the focus
> > of the first season [Don'tcha love how authoritatively pretentious they
> > are - especially when they're wrong?].

There is nothing particularly pretentious in the prevous words, and
he is not particularly wrong for anyone who is not essentially
obsessed over T.P.

> >    The film starts with the murder of Theresa [sic] Banks (Pamela Gidley),
> > a young woman who worked with Laura as a prostitute.  Two FBI agents (Chris
> > Issak and Kiefer Sutherland) are sent to investigate.  Then they [...um,
> > wrong again, John...] disappear strangely and are never heard from again.

Not wrong enough to quibble over it.  Remember, the riview is likely
for general audiences who do not have the advantage of this
lovely forum to endlessly debate the deeper meanings of 
various Lynch masterpieces.

> > Then it's a year later and we meet the ill-fated Laura, who's cocaine-
> > addicted, a part-time prostitute and increasingly hysterical.  It's never
> > quite clear in the film whether her drug problems are caused by her sex
> > problems or vice versa, but abuse by her father Leland (Ray Wise) who is
> > apparently possessed, is contributing to her nervous, self-destructive
> > state.  But thinking one will care what happens to her or why by the time
> > the movie ends is the height of presumption.  [This guy can't even allow
> > himself to write a synopsis that might pique people's curiosity - not that
> > this synopsis is even close to the truth].

He would be doing a non-peaker moviegoer a pretty serious disservice
if he talked them into seeing this movie.  He was doing his civic duty.

> >    Lynch has proved in the past [Ah... here, he justifies avant garde
> > cinema, and justifies himself as a true arthouse critic - NOT!...]

Or perhaps he merely acknowledges that Lynch has made better films,
better in the sense that they had broader appeal.

> > Willem...who cares?].  But the pretensiousness [look who's talking, guys!]
> > of "Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me," and what can be construed only as 
> > utter contempt for its audience, threaten to make David Lynch irrelevant.II

Here he is probably wrong.  Lynch did make this movie for the TP audience.
What more likely makes Lynch irrelevant was that atrocity of a tv show
_On The Air_.

> > 
> > 
> >      [Notice how they get all upset and offended when they...don't
> >       get it?

Notice how you get all upset and offended when someone has the audacity
to differ with your opinion about a movie.

> >  Maybe that should have been rewritten a bit (at least):
> >       "...and what can be construed only as utter LOYALTY TO its 
> >        audience..."  Sounds more true-to-the-facts that way, I think.]

Yes, I would say that you are right here.  The reviewer probably
just did not understand that this movie was not supposed to appeal
to anyone but TP fans.

doug

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <rhaller-090992163800@rhaller.cc.uoregon.edu> rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu (Rich Haller) writes:
> >When they introduced the conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn as the date when
> >'they will receive you'  (Major Briggs) there was some suggestion about a
> >periodic event, lets say roughly every 20 years, when maybe particularly
> >bad things happen in the TP area.

Not 20 -- 25.  "I'll see you again in 25 years"... remember?  That would
put the last major brouhaha in Twin Peaks in around 1964, when Project
Blue Book was in full swing.


</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <18mkr5INN8s5@agate.berkeley.edu> sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes:
> >I still think that the "owl ring" is some form of "marriage bond" between
> >the wearer and the giver, and that it is connected to the Black Lodge, thus
> >it is a symbol of the wearer having sold his/her soul to the Lodge, the
> >"forces of Darkness."

Why necessarily the forces of darkness?  If you do want to look at this in
fundamentalist religious terms, which some folks have suggested Lynch may
intend, couldn't the ring simply symbolize handing control over your fate
to the White Lodge as well?

After all, you can give your soul over to Heaven as well as Hell.

What I got from the end of the movie was not that Laura had made a pact with
BOB, but that she refused to do so ("You can't have me... kill me!").
Putting on the ring seemed to give her strength to resist, and die in the
process.  That would explain why her angel came to her in the Lodge, and
why she was happy.

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao) writes:

> > I read that Nance did some scenes but they were cut. Does anyone know
> > what those scenes were? Why were they cut?
> > Were there any other characters from the series who appeared in the
> > film but where entirely cut?

With all this talk of the large amount of cut scenes, a weird idea struck
me: Perhaps Lynch has all of the principal photography for the >next<
movie (Twin Peaks: One Chance Out?) already in the can!


--
"Go to an extreme and then retreat to a more useful position"  --  Brian Eno
Joe Zitt        ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe         (512)450-1916

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Scott R Violet) writes:

> >I heard mentioned that over in Japan they have the entire
> >series released on LD.  Can any one confirm, or deny this?  And if it
> >was released in Japan, does it have subtitles, I know most Japanese
> >speak English, but I not sure.  Also, if they do exist what format are
> >they in?  IE are they boxed, or on a per episode basis.  And lastly,
> >any one know where to buy them from if they exist?

One more time (sigh, where is the FAQ?):  yes, there is a Japanese
laserdisc set (I'll include Jerry's review below); no, it is sold
out and virtually impossible to get (I read somewhere there were
only 2000 sets made); yes, there is *supposed* to be a US laserdisc
release (*possibly* by Voyager), but it is has NOT been announced.

-- Jim

------------------------------------------------------------------

From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The fox so cunning and free)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks,rec.video.releases
Subject: TWIN PEAKS SET (the Japanese laserdisc boxed set)
Summary: Definitely worth it
Date: 17 Feb 92 03:10:28 GMT
Sender: news@nntpd.lkg.dec.com
Followup-To: alt.tv.twin-peaks

OK, I finally picked up my copy of TWIN PEAKS SET: 29 EPISODES (well,
that's what it's titled on the box). I haven't had the time to start
watching the set yet, though I popped around the various discs playing
specific scenes. Here are some comments about the package (warning,
there'll be a fair amount of obsessive detail). Overall, I am *very*
impressed, and glad I splurged the considerable amount of money for it.

The set comes in a nice outer box, with a photo of Laura Palmer (dead)
on the outside. The contents include:

15  12" LDs
1    8" "LD single"
1   large booklet

(and a flyer advertising a package tour to Twin Peaks country. :-))

As noted before, the pilot (either the broadcast version or the extended
"Euroversion") is *not* included in the package, just ("Just". Right.)
episodes 1-29.

I.

All the discs are in CLV, have digital sound, and are in stereo. Only
the second season episodes have surround sound, but the first season
wasn't done in surround in the first place. There's no chapter encoding
-- well, actually, there is, but "Chapter 1" lasts the entire side. All
of the episodes have their original English dialogue tracks and are
subtitled in Japanese kanji. During the Red Room sequences in which
English subtitles appeared for the backwards-speech dialogue, those
English subtitles are retained, with the kanji appearing as side-titles.
The transfers are about as good as one would expect of a non-digital
transfer. I've noticed some shots have a little noticible grain to them,
but certainly nothing to get bothered about (I used to think my Beta
tapes were decent until I popped one in to check something against the
disc, and I almost threw up at how bad it was).

I expected the discs to be in poly-lined paper sleeves sitting loose
inside the box, like various domestic boxed sets, but that's not the
case. Each of the 15 discs comes in its own cardboard jacket (as sturdy
as any regular LD jacket), with the inner sleeves being of the plastic
"U" variety). Each jacket is individually labelled, so that if you
prefer, you can place them on your shelf individually rather than in
the box. Given the box's dimensions, I've done this and saved a little
shelf space (it also makes accessing them easier, which is quite possibly
why it was done this way). Each jacket has a photo of one or more of the
characters from the series, some being stills from an episode, others
obviously being posed publicity stills. For the record, here's a list
of the jacket photos ("*" indicates a publicity still rather than an
episode scene):

Disc    Photo                         Disc    Photo

1     * Coop & Harry                  9     * Bobby and Shelly
2     * Josie, Catherine, & Ben       10    * Josie and Harry
3     * Donna, James, & Audrey        11    * Windom Earle
4       The Giant ("Noooooo...")      12      JJ Wheeler and Audrey
5       Leland (white-haired)         13      Nadine
6       Audrey                        14      The Man from Another Place
7       Donna                         15    * Killer Bob
8       Dream-Laura in the Red Room

The back of all the jackets is mostly blank, with a small photo of David
Lynch in the center.

All of the episodes retain the "previously on TWIN PEAKS" pre-credits
teaser, but none have any of the next episode previews; they go straight
from the closing shot into the closing credits. Because of the way the
episodes are laid out, Episode #8 -- the 2-hour second season premiere
-- is split between discs 4 and 5 (for the record, they did *not* kludge
up an extra set of credits to close the first half or open the second
half with). Episodes 28 & 29 have their individual opening and closing
credits, instead of the combined set that we got on the US broadcast,
since they were shown as a single 2-hour "movie". The other notable
thing about Episode #8 is that it has an "alternate version" of one
scene. It was noted long ago in alt.tv.twin-peaks that when the episode
aired in Britain, the scene of Maddy looking down at the rug and seeing
the (what seemed to be) blood stain was slightly different than in the
original US broadcast. It was said that in the UK airing she saw an
image of BOB in the stain. Sure enough, the superimposed image of BOB
comes rippling into view over the stain. One supposes that this episode
was late in post-production, so it was printed for US airing without
this shot being completed. I haven't noticed anything else different,
but as I said, I haven't watched the set straight through yet.

II.

The 8" LD single is amusing, but no more than that. Titled "Clues to the
Mystery", it has numerous short chapters, each about one or another of
the characters, with clips from the series of that character. There are
also squibs about various "clues", such as "Dale's ring". Unfortunately,
the disc is narrated in Japanese, so I've no idea what's being said
about the characters or the "clues". As a toss-in freebie, it's nice,
but I'll probably never play it all the way through.

III.

The booklet. *Real* nice. It's 11.5 x 11.5, and 36 pages long. The only
real problem is that (naturally) the text is almost completely in
Japanese, so I'm only guessing at what some of it is about (I've noted
below what's in English). The cover is neat: it's a shot looking down at
the top of a coffee percolator, with a fish sitting on top of it. :-)
The back cover is a shot of two donuts.

Pages 2 through 17 appear to be synopses of all of the episodes, two
per page (except #8, which runs a whole page), each with a header strip
running from top to bottom with a couple of photos from the episode in
question and the writing & directing credits. They also include one for
the pilot, and interestingly enough, they label it "Episode 0" -- the
first time I've seen the pilot designated this way outside of the net
(after all, who but a computer person would think of starting a count
with 0 instead of 1? :-)).

Page 17 also has a strip labelled "see the other side, hear the other
side", but I have no idea what it's about. However, there are two quotes
by the One-Armed Man that are printed in English. What makes one of them
interesting to Peaks Freaks is that it's the "Fire, Walk With Me" poem,
and in the third line, they use "one chants out" instead of "one chance
out".

Pages 18-19 are a huge chart of all the characters with their various
interconnections. It's much more extensive (and complex) than the one
in PEOPLE MAGAZINE back during the show's first season broadcast. The
interconnectivity legend is in English, too.

Pages 20-21 are three maps of Twin Peaks and the surrounding area. The
notations on the maps are in English, though the legends underneath are
only in Japanese. First is a town map, second a map of the forest area
surrounding the town, and the third a regional map of Washington,
including the abutting parts of Oregon, Idaho, Montana, and British
Columbia. I suspect that these maps were reproduced from THE ACCESS
GUIDE TO TWIN PEAKS, but as I (oddly enough) never got around to picking
up a copy of the ACCESS GUIDE, I don't know for sure. There's also a
mileage chart from Twin Peaks to various points around the globe (but
not, strangely enough, Tokyo).

Pages 22-29 contain info-boxes of all the major and most of the minor
characters (and the actors who played them) that have appeared on the
show. In the case of many of the minor characters, it even mentions
which episode they appeared in.

Pages 30-31 are biographical sketches of David Lynch, Mark Frost, and
Angelo Badalamenti. For Lynch, the sketch includes a filmography, as
well as lists of his other work.

Pages 32-33 are frustratingly titled "Dale Cooper is not what he seems".
But it's all in Japanese.

Page 34 looks to be -- judging from various dates noted therein -- a
production timeline for the series. Accompanying photos are of some of
the merchandizing products. They show a copy of THE ACCESS GUIDE TO
TWIN PEAKS, the collector's card set, British and Japanese editions of
THE SECRET DIARY OF LAURA PALMER, a newspaper called TWIN PEAKS TIMES
(which I suspect is merely a Japanese edition of THE TWIN PEAKS GAZETTE)
and some Japanese TP *fanzines*. There's also a chart listing the
episodes with their original US broadcast dates.

Page 35 has a cast list for the forthcoming theatrical film. It's obviously
not complete, as at least two people we know to be in the film (Pamela
Gidley as Teresa Banks and Phoebe Augustine as Ronette Pulaski) are not
listed. The complete title seems to be "Twin Peaks Fire Walk With Me,
Teresa Banks and the Last Seven Days of Laura Palmer".

(I'll be posting the cast list as a separate article, but only to
alt.tv.twin-peaks.)

All in all, a damn fine package.

-- "They say the best things in life are free." "Free!? Hamton, this is the 90's. Take out a loan and buy a clue." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The fox so cunning and free) Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Subject: TWIN PEAKS: FIRE WALK WITH ME cast list Date: 17 Feb 92 03:17:24 GMT As mentioned in my description of the TWIN PEAKS laserdisc set, the booklet included with it has a cast list for the forthcoming movie. Here's the list as it appears in the booklet (a couple of spellings corrected): Kyle MacLachlan Agent Dale Cooper Kiefer Sutherland San [sic] Stanley David Bowie Phillip Jeffries Joan Chen Josie Packard Michael Ontkean Sheriff Harry Truman Harry Dean Stanton Carl Rodd Peggy Lipton Norma Jennings Chris Isaak Chet Desmond Sheryl Lee Laura Palmer Ray Wise Leland Palmer Moira Kelly Donna Hayward Dana Ashbrook Bobby Briggs Grace Zabriskie Sarah Palmer Frank Silva Bob James Marshall James Hurley Al Strobel Philip Michael Gerard Miguel Ferrer Albert Rosenfield Madchen Amick Shelley Johnson Harry Goaz Deputy Andy Brennan Eric Da Re Leo Johnson Everett McGill Ed Hurley Warren Frost Dr. Hayward David Lynch Gordon Cole Rick Aiello Cliff Howard Heather Graham Annie Blackburn Richard Beymer Ben Horne Kimmy Robertson Lucy Moran Wendy Robie Nadine Hurley Catherine Coulson Log Lady Jack Nance Pete Martell Michael Horse Tommy "The Hawk" Hill Russ Tamblyn Dr. Jacoby David Patrick Kelly Jerry Horne Robert Bauer Johnny Horne Charlotte Stewart Betty Briggs Mary Jo Deschanel Eileen Hayward Don Davis Major Briggs Julee Cruise Roadhouse Singer Gary Hershberger Mike Nelson Lenny von Dohlen Harold Smith Michael Anderson Man From Another Place Walter Olkewicz Jacques Renault Frances Bay Mrs. Tremond Jan D'Arcy Sylvia Horne Notes by me: 1. Moira Kelly is replacing Lara Flynn Boyle who was unable to do the film due to other commitments. 2. Sherilyn Fenn was also unavailable. I guess that they considered her less "replaceable" than Boyle (more likely is that the character of Donna is more essential to the events of the film, given her close ties with James and Laura) so the character of Audrey won't be in the film. 3. I'm sorry to see that Sheryl Lee won't be doing "double duty" as both Laura *and* Maddy. 4. A curious absence is Pamela Gidley, who is supposed to be playing Teresa Banks in the movie. And Phoebe Augustine (Ronette Pulaski) is supposed to be in it as well. 5. Still no Diane. :-(
-- "They say the best things in life are free." "Free!? Hamton, this is the 90's. Take out a loan and buy a clue." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com From: boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com (The fox so cunning and free) Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks,rec.video.releases
Subject: Re: TWIN PEAKS SET (the Japanese laserdisc boxed set) Date: 20 Feb 92 06:45:17 GMT [I'm re-cross-posting this to rec.video.releases, since I've gotten a fair number of mail messages asking these same questions.] In article <16343@awdprime.UUCP>, ken@batman.austin.ibm.com writes... } Would you let us know where we might find such a gem of a set and how } much we might expect to pay for it? (I know it's rude to ask how much } something costs, but I simply must have this) I ordered my set through Sight & Sound (in Waltham, MA -- phone number is 617-894-8633), my usual laserdisc pusher, who deals regularly in Japanese imports. (Disclaimer: I have no connection with them, other than as a customer.) Note, though, that they do not have any currently in stock. When the set was announced, they up and ordered 10 of them, but all 10 quickly got reserved. No doubt as they get more requests, they'll order more, but you may have to wait a month or two for them to arrive. I ordered my set in November. As for the price, I paid (not including the 5% MA tax I had to pay, or shipping, which I didn't need, as I picked mine up in person) $672.80. Now, a few people will say that the list price of 61,800 Yen should equal only about $500, but keep in mind that S&S has to pay for shipping from Japan (and once you've hefted one of these babies, you'll realize that the shipping cost was probably not small) plus import duties. They also don't get a very large profit margin on imports (which is why they never offer standard discounts on them, as they do with domestic releases), so there's a mark-up involved there as well. An extra $200 is certainly cheaper than a flight to Tokyo. :-) If you can find someone else that can sell you one cheaper, by all means go for it. Regardless, the price I paid is still worth it. The price works out to be about $45.00 per 2-episode disc. I paid the same or more for import discs of THE TWILIGHT ZONE (80's) and MAX HEADROOM, and even in comparison with the following prices for television series material on domestic laserdisc, while the price may be on the high side, it isn't grossly out of line: ST:TNG $35 for a 2-episode disc AMAZING STORIES $35 for a 3-episode (half-hour each) disc (this is proportionally equivalent to the TP import disc price) THE PRISONER $40 for 2 single-episode discs TWILIGHT ZONE (60's) $40 for 4-episode (half-hour each) disc It's a large gulp to make all at once, but I think it's worth it.
-- "They say the best things in life are free." "Free!? Hamton, this is the 90's. Take out a loan and buy a clue." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) boyajian@ruby.enet.dec.com -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I lived in my head mostly." | Jim Pellmann (jgp@rational.com) "That's not a bad neighborhood." | RATIONAL "There were some pretty strange neighbors." | Santa Clara, California

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

Could some kind soul (is there any in TP Land) give me a
pointer or post date of the script that has been mentioned?

E-mail to the following address would be OK.

--
Steve Farowich
farowich@hiwa61.seo.dec.com
206-562-6422FAX:562-8603

     *************************************************************
     * One drawback of an active mind is that one can always     *
     * conceive alternative explanations. - Sherlock Holmes      *
     ************************************************************** 

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <gedXS5600Uh_82vuwY@andrew.cmu.edu> Jeremy Matthew Toeman <jt3h+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> >YES! You're right, I just remembered it too.. And it was flashed earlier
> >in the movie too.  But I cannot remember when.. Gonna go see it again this
> >weekend mebbe...
> >

I believe the first time the monkey face appeared was when we saw
Bowie's vision.  Near the end of the vision we see the kid with the
mask (sorry, can't remember the name) move the mask away and we see
his face, he does it again, and then we see the monkey face.  At least
that is the way that I remember it.

-- -Scott Violet (xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu)

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

David Lynch is in a rut. He has given us a cheap imitation of the TP
series and is passing it off as the Emperor's New Clothes.  FWWM is
bizarre for bizarre's sake. Lynch is rapidly becoming a self-parody, which
bothers me.  Ever since Blue Velvet, Lynch has been in a downward slide,
wallowing in the "small town decay" motif that was the hallmark of BV (by
all accounts an excellent film).  FWWM just reminded me of how great TP
was before they resolved The Question.  The best part of the film was teh
prologue with Isaak and especially Kiefer Sutherland.  There's no point in
analyzing the content of FWWM, b/c Lynch seems to have given up on his own
creation.  Face it: once we found out who killed LP, the series lost its
edge. A prequel about her life is by and large, useless.  Moira Kelly was
excellent as Donna, however, and Sheryl Lee did a commendable job.  Ray
Wise as Leland was suitably monstrous, but all of that is moot.  I don't
claim to be one of those people who scream "Sell Out" whenever an
independent becomes popular, but I think that Lynch is on a steady
downhill track . I hope not.

Bring back Eraserhead!



</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

jblum@hamlet.umd.edu (Hi ho -- Kermit the Frog here...) writes:

> >In article <18mkr5INN8s5@agate.berkeley.edu> sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes:
>> >>I still think that the "owl ring" is some form of "marriage bond" between
>> >>the wearer and the giver, and that it is connected to the Black Lodge, thus
>> >>it is a symbol of the wearer having sold his/her soul to the Lodge, the
>> >>"forces of Darkness."

> >Why necessarily the forces of darkness?  If you do want to look at this in
> >fundamentalist religious terms, which some folks have suggested Lynch may
> >intend, couldn't the ring simply symbolize handing control over your fate
> >to the White Lodge as well?

> >After all, you can give your soul over to Heaven as well as Hell.

Or maybe all these rings have more in common with Tolkein's "Lord of the Rings"
trilogy.  Not neccessarily all good or evil in any sense, just with a variety
of side-effects, and inter-relations.  Maybe Lynch's corrupt as well.

RMaas
maas@u.washington.edu

 --- Hey, it was just a thought, I didn't mean....

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <1992Sep7.170616.2107@intacc.uucp> zerobeat@intacc.uucp (Ferenc Szabo) writes:

> >It would be an extreme stretch to suggest that the white horse has to do with
> >the white liquid in Sarah's glass.

"White horse" is a nickname for heroin.

--John
-- John Flanagan ||"Pretty boys johnf@uhheph.phys.hawaii.edu || with the sunshine faces U. of Hawaii, Dept. of Physics & Astro.|| <mumble mumble>..." 2505 Correa Rd., Honolulu, HI 96822 || -- My Bloody Valentine

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

This is very important TP breakthrough news, and get this, i learned it in
Chem class!!

This is the description so bear with me.  There are Positrons which can be
Beta particles and then there is antimatter which is like an anti-positron.
(This is like Doppleganger or the Twin in Twin Peaks)  When these particles
meet there is what is called Annihilation, both matter come together and 
they disappear with a net result of 2 gamma rays or energy (possibly
electricity).  The two gammas go into different directions.

Ok, any comments?  Could there be a positive Coop and an anti-Coop and if they
ever meet, what?

Just something to keep you on your toes.
Lynch, are you a chemist or what?

Matt



</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

> >Maybe BoB is then angry because his mode of interaction requires the permission
> >of a real world person, and this anger has turned him viscious. ALso, this 
> >might make him the least powerful of all of them.

Wasn't it Bob Pierre Tremond was pointing to in the red room above th
convenience store when he said "Fell a victim" and what did he mean by that?
> >
> >



</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <36970@uflorida.cis.ufl.edu> floyd@maple.circa.ufl.edu writes:
>> >>All I wanted to know was, "How did Audrey Horne die?"
> >
> >She was blown to bits in the bank vault explosion in the last television
> >episode.

She didn't die.  An angel came down from heaven and unlocked her handcuffs,
allowing her to step out for a smoke just before the bomb tore the eyeglasses
off Senor SafeDepositBox's face.

She'll appear in the next prequel, "Young Man, Don't Play With Those Matches."

YMDPWTM,
 Jim
Jim Lester  (an employee)               Citicorp slash TTI
90405  (310)450-9111, x2209             lester@soldev.tti.com
 "Thunder is good, thunder is impressive,
  but it is lightning that does the work."  - M. Twain

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

Okay,  I just read most of the old messages in the newsgroup and
now have a few of my own.  Given, I watched the 2nd season avidlly, but
missed the first season.  I saw the pilot (with the European ending) and
am in the process of buying the first season:

1) Just where does the special European ending start on the movie
   and what is different?

2) Who is Judy?
3) How is it that Dale is able to talk to Laura (i.e. Don't take the
   Ring) and stuff like that, and how does he get to the curtain place
   so easy, like at the end.
4) I am assuming that the chick at the end in the black dress standing
   by Coop is the same chick from the end of the pilot where the LMfAP
   says "She looks a lot like Laura..."  Then why is she so happy at
   the angel.
5) Everyone seems to say that the ring symbolizes "You're next"  Then
   howcome when the OAM drives up screaming, he holds up his hand with
   the ring on it?
6) What is the Twin Peaks FTP site? I remember it is audrey and in AU.

Thanks all... tomorrow I will post mine and my friends views on the
movie.

          Cheers,
          -Dan

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <1992Sep10.095034.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu writes:
> >Just a reminder that the whole bundle of clues like The Owls, The
> >Owls Are Not What They Seem, Major Briggs having worked on Project
> >Blue Book, etc. etc. point not to *spirits* so much as to Aliens,
> >that is beings from UFOs.
> >
> >Anything can happen in a Lynchian world, but it's more likely that the
> >FBI would be investigating a *special* series of events, i.e. the Blue
> >Rose cases, if they were associated with something like UFOs. They would,
> >of course, also investigate what appeared to be a serial killer (BOB/Leland)
> >but that would be somewhat a matter of course.
> >
> >Anyway, in the UFO/Visitor literature, there are many instances where people
> >had contacts with Aliens but developed *screen memories* of animals, especially
> >owls. The person would believe they had seen an owl in a most unlikely place,
> >and come to realizeunder hypnosis, that it was the face of an Alien -- the
> >big white head and huge black eyes. So to say, "The owls are not what they
> >seem," fits this.  Also in UFO literature, a principal action is the abduction
> >of humans. Often, like Major Briggs, they are later returned with no memories
> >of what happened.
> >
> >All of the elements surrounding the Others -- BOB, MIKE, MFAP, etc, are
> >slightly
> >on the *spirit* side, and slightly on the *Alien* side, so it's confusing.
> >But then, that'sLynch.
> >
> >Lou

 At first when I was watching the series I had thought they were leading
 to an alien subplot but now that I have watched the series, for the most
 part again, I am fairly confident they are not aliens. Major Briggs or
 Cooper said how Project Bluebook was the investigation of UFOs and
 extra terrestrials which ended in 1969 with the conclusion there was no
 UFOs. Major Briggs said a few continued the project secretly but not
 listening to the stars but the woods/ground under Twin Peaks. The message
 that was intercepted for Coop, though the satellites were pointed at
 deep space, the message was generated from the woods in Twin Peaks (the
 message being "The Owls are not what they seem" and "Coop, Coop, Coop". The
 elements of The Black Lodge/White Lodge and Hawk's "people" believing the
 spirits that control the earth live in these places gives better evidence
 that they are spirits and not aliens. Another thing, at first when I saw
 the triple triangle symbol flying through space in the series and then
 bursting into flames, I thought it represented a radiation symbol - relating
 to aliens but after seeing the movie and someone pointing out the symbol
 looks like an angel, I think that is what it represents - remember Donna
 and Laura in the movie discussing what would happen if you kept falling in
 space - would you slow down eventually or speed up and Laura said you would
 speed up until you burst into flames and there won't be any angels around
 to help you.

  Speaking of the symbols.. Brigg's tatoo represents an Angel lets say,
  Margaret's looks like Twin Mountains, mirror images of themselves - Brigg's
  representing the heavens, Margret's the earth and possibly Bob/Mike's
  tatoo representing hell?

  -=*George*=-


</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <37896@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> enomura@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Eddie the 'ead) writes:
> >In article <1992Sep10.162031.17073@cco.caltech.edu> UnoJ writes:
>> >>By the way, I am not so sure that it is the same deputy as in Deer Meadow. How
>> >>are we so sure about that? I tried to look at the credits but I only could find
> >
> >It is clearly the same person.  Besides, the shooting script so says that
> >we are to recognize him as Deputy Cliff.
> >
> >ed
> >
In the series, there are drugs planted in Cooper's car which later turns out
to be baby laxative. They find baby laxative at Dead Dog Farm in the sink
and supposedly in a cut scene from the movie, Bobby and Laura are supposed
to find out the drugs they got from Deputy Cliff were baby laxative. How
are these events related? Were the sherriff and deputy in Deer Meadow
connected to Jean Reneault like the Candian Mounty was and involved with the
drug trafficing? Who was the "uncle" that Agent Desmond mentioned that was
in Federal Prison (said it was the sherrif's Uncle.) Was that what they were
hiding? That they were a part of a drug ring or were they hiding something
about the Theresa Banks murder? What was the purpose of the baby laxative? So
they could get the money and keep the drugs? And why did Deputy Cliff try
to kill Bobby? From instructions from Jacques?

-=*George*=-



</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <18h4v6INN9qi@agate.berkeley.edu> sally@anableps.berkeley.edu (S. A. Wilson) writes:
> >.......... makes me wonder even more about Josie's missing weight after
> >her death from fear--wasn't that how Coop referred to her death, that it
> >was as if she died from fright.
Do you suppose she was missing the weight of, say, her left arm??  Yeah,
I know it wasn't physically missing, but this is Twin Peaks.
That's why she's stuck in the drawer pull ... she can't just reach
out and open it.  The LEFT arm is the SINISTER (fr. Latin) one.
"I am the Great Went."

Jim
Jim Lester  (an employee)               Citicorp slash TTI
90405  (310)450-9111, x2209             lester@soldev.tti.com
 "Thunder is good, thunder is impressive,
  but it is lightning that does the work."  - M. Twain

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

> >
> >There are references to a hospital scene in FWWM. I saw no hospital 
> >scene in the version I saw.

It will be in the uncut version
> >
> >
> >Can't wait to see the 3:40 version!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ditto.
> >
> >Ben wasn't falsely accused by Mike at the Gr. Nor. We learn later 
> >that Leland was also in the room, but Coop and Truman misconstrue 
> >Mike's falling down attack. 

Also the fact that Leland was friends with Ben.. OAM says "Bob was close but
he is not here now" when sensing around Ben at the jail.
> >
> >Waldo never leaves his cage in the movie. Stupid small mistake.
> >
 The sex scene at the cabin is majorly cut as you could tell, maybe it happens
 in the uncut version.. there is one point where they do show the cage in the
 cabin in the movie and waldo is NOT in it but we never see him being
 released.
> >
> >
> >"Mrs. Tremond's" grandson in the series says, "I am a lonely soul." 
> >This is what Harold's suicide note also says.

What does the girl with the guy at Hap's Diner in the movie say to him in
French and what did it mean? (When he asks Desmond if he was talking
about that girl that got killed).
> >
> >
> >My 2 cents: I loved what was left of the movie after "they" hacked 
> >an hour and 31 minutes out of it. No wonder it's choppy. Needed: a 
> >longer death scene, and more of everything in general. One thing I 
> >really noticed was that I never felt bad that Laura specifically was 
> >dead just from watching the series, but the movie let us all know 
> >her. Meals-on-wheels, Johnny & Josie's tutor, coke abuser, and 
> >sexual experimentor. " The fact that Laura sought medication, no 
> >matter how dubious...." (Jacoby-can't remember the rest of the 
> >quote.) Anyway, you feel really sorry for her, and I kept waiting 
> >for her to triumph and not die. But hell, I'm a sentimental slob who 

 I agree totally.. the only MAJOR thing I noticed left out of the movie
 (besides the cabin scenes with Waldo) was Leland making a call from
 Ben's office to Laura the night she died.. could that have happened in
 the scene where we are supposed to see Johnny's birthday party?

 -=*George*=-


</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <laq9e1INN43v@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> duane@thismoment.Corp.Sun.COM (Duane Day) writes:
> >FWWM spoiler below
> >
> >In FWWM, the last time we see the brief image of the small monkey (just
> >about the time of the shot of the corn being slurped off the spoon), the
> >monkey says something.  Its mouth moves, and if you listen closely you 
> >hear a deep male voice speak a single word .......  JUDY.

Hmmmm.  Cary Grant was famous for such a line.
Now if we rearrange the letters in "Cary Grant" we come up with:

Trayn Car G

Of course, Sherman, the Big G stands for Goodness.

Tremond=Tree mound

Jim
Jim Lester  (an employee)               Citicorp slash TTI
90405  (310)450-9111, x2209             lester@soldev.tti.com
 "Thunder is good, thunder is impressive,
  but it is lightning that does the work."  - M. Twain

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

Haven't heard of any current syndication.

Much as I'd love to see it, it seems unlikely given the low number of
total episodes shot.

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

First posting here too.  Forgive (and advise) should I botch.

One of the things I always enjoyed the most about TP was the drifting, non-
endpoint oriented nature.  With the rapid emergence and evolution of subplots
I never expected a proper "wrap" on the series.  I'm not sure whether it's a
comment on my life or just the nature of the cosmos, but I never seem to reach
any  points where everything was "capped off."  The organic, drifting nature
of the series and its storylines was, to me, at least 47% of its total charm
content.

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

 I saw TP:FWWM for a second time last night and found it MUCH better the
 second time around. I could also pick out a lot of the words spoken in
 various scenes that I couldn't the first time. After the movie we headed to
 Tim Horton's here in Canada for a cup of damn fine coffee and some jelly
 donut's. :-) I am now listening to the soundtrack and will have a piece of
 cherry pie shortly.. :-)

  Some mentioned that the second time we see the monkey he says "Judy"..
  are you certain of this?

  Could the Chalfont's (Tremond's) been living by Theresa Banks to protect
  her? Maybe they were the ones that gave her the ring (green is its color..
  how much you want to make a bet the ring is made of formica). Mrs. Tremond
  gives Laura the picture of the red room sort of "inviting" her to the lodge
  (in her dream she motions for Laura to pass through the door into the room
  where Piere is and he snaps his fingers and a fire gets reflected on the wall
  ..leading to the waiting room? In the series the Tremond's give a slight clue
  to Donna about the creamed corn and Pierre ssaying the "I'm a lonely soul"
  phrase in French as a hint to Donna to return there later in which she
  received the pages from Laura's diary.

   As for the ring, maybe it is a protection against Bob thus why when Laura
   put it on, Leland/Bob says "Noooo!!" but why did Cooper tell her NOT to
   take the ring?

   I think the dancing man in the red room with the white mask is "Mike" as
   a whole.. he was seemingly doing some ritual dance, wearing a mask like
   shamans do and holding a ritual type stick. In the series Cooper describes
   Mike as maybe being "a shaman or seer in his time/culture". The reason the
   LMFAP was there also was because he is the arm of Mike but not Mike as
   a whole. I also noticed the shaman/dancing man did the scraping of his foot
   on the floor like the LMFAP did in the waiting room in the last episode of
   the second season. The LMFAP also says "Lets Rock!" when Coop sees him
   in his first dream in the series.. we see "Lets Rock" wrote on Agent
   Desmonds car after he disappears. Someone mentioned earlier how maybe
   whomever wears the ring, that arm gets possed by the LMFAP and he could
   possibly make a person do what he wants through it.. if Desmond put the
   ring on, maybe he wrote the "Lets Rock" on his car (in red, like the
   LMFAP is dressed) before he disappeared as a clue to Cooper.

    Did anyone notice that when Coop and Gordon Cole are in the room looking
    at the monitor and they pause the one with Coop's image on it and
    Jeffries walking in the background, the monitor NEXT to it is focused
    in Fat Trout and we see Agent Desmond walking toward the monitor? This
    means that Desmond is a time traveller now like Jeffries and thus was
    taken to the lodge.

    Right at the end, when Leland is walking into the circle of sycamore
    trees, we see a face appear on the screen - white face/black lips and
    saying either "Nooo!" or "Laura!!" (this was after Leland puts Laura
    in the water) - was that the evil Leland or was it an evil Phillip
    Jeffries? Does that mean there could be an evil Phillip Jeffries in
    the next movie and the good Jeffries is trapped in the lodge like Coop?

     Someone asked how Cooper got to the waiting room so easily? I'd say
     everytime we saw him in the waiting room in the movie it was post
     second season.
      
      As a note on the sets, after viewing the movie a second time I did
      notice how a lot of the sets were different, like Harold's and the
      R&R Diner especially.

       Is the sound the LMFAP makes ("..and I sound like this") an indian
       noise or is it supposed to be the sound of "electricity"? There was
       signs of electricty in Laura's room above her window when she asks
       who are you really? We hear that noise when Laura looks at the
       wires on the poles, when we see the TV.. we see static when Jeffries
       is talking about the meeting he saw and then they show the room and
       them around the table. Is that how they travell? Through electricty/
       wires and are able to "slip in through a crevice in time" as Coop
       said to Truman describing how Bob appeared (and the lights dimmed) in
       the series when Josie died?

       Thats about all for now.

       -=*George*=-


</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

Since I am using a Mac SE, and only possess a 1200 baud modem, I have
to use the campus computers to download and then transfer the material
over to disks. Now, I was able to do this with all the Mac sound files,
but I ran into problems when trying to do the same with the Mac Hypercard
stuff. I downloaded to the campus Mac but then could not transfer it over
to a disk since the file was too big...Now can anyone help me, give me
some pointers as how to get the file....Upon downloading it I checked it
out and it I am hooked I need it to add to my Peaks collection.

Sorry for my ignorance, but can someone help me out....

And what of this new Hypercard TP Trivia thing?


Sally--Sigh, can't find anyone to go see TP, so I am stuck at only
seeing it once--A. Wilson



-- That the play is the tragedy, "Man," \\\\\ Sally A. Wilson And its hero, the Conqueror Worm. \\\\\ sally@mica.berkeley.edu ("The Conqueror Worm" \\\\\ from Egar Allan Poe's _Ligeia_) \\\\\ Spud Peel

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

> >What happened to Ben,Jerry,Josie,Windham,Audrey,Catherine,Nadine, and the 
> >rest of the crew that we so dearly love?
> >
> >
> >

Simple, they either were unwilling to do the movie, or they were chopped do to
time constraints.  Worrying about the time is so silly in the case of this
film.  No one but fans will go anyway and for US, longer is better!

A.J. LoCicero >> cicero@hotcity.com

This message comes to you from beautiful Morgan Hill, California, U.S.A.:
The front line in the war against Suburbanization!

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <4988@calmasd.Prime.COM>, jpb@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jan Bielawski)
writes:
> >
> >
> >Spoiler...
> >^
> >
> >       Blame it on my newsfeed but I haven't seen anyone mentioning:
> >
> >1. When Cooper is looking for Desmond he sees red letters on (whose?)
> >   car windshield: "Let's rock."
> >
> >2. In the Canadian "pink room" Laura makes the same hand gesture she does
> >   in the last TV episode in the waiting room (towards Cooper).
> >
> >
> >       Jan Bielawski
> >       Computervision, San Diego
> >       jpb@calmasd.prime.com
> >
An of course we all remember that "Lets Rock" was the LMFAP's first line of the
whole series!

A.J. LoCicero >> cicero@hotcity.com

This message comes to you from beautiful Morgan Hill, California, U.S.A.:
The front line in the war against Suburbanization!

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

Someone posted saying that the telephone pole had two 6's on it.
The first was the visible digits 24810 added up to 15 which added up to 6.
The second was the big 6.
Well if you're really looking for a third 6, take the numbers of Laura's
house and add them up.  708.  And then add up the digits in 15 again to get
your third 6.

ed


-- /\__Edwin Nomura -- enomura@ucsd.edu__________.:___________.____________/\ / \\ .:. . : . : / \\ / \\\ : .:: : : Fire walk with me :.. : . : / \\\ / \\\\..::..:::.:::::.:.:.....:::::...::..:...:::::.:.:::::.:....::.../ \\\\

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

Maybe Twin Peaks' best bet for syndication is on public TV in a similar
context as The Prisoner has been shown..        
kevin


</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

If Leland is the real-world human posessed by the Black Lodge Bob and 
Phillip Gerard (that is the one-armed man's name) is the real-world human
once posessed by LMFAP, then who the hell is Mike and what does he look
like? Is it possible that Mike is LMFAP's name?  (It is, at any rate, the
actor's name. He is sometimes called Little Mike.)

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

I'm a student at PSU and want to see "Fire Walk With Me", But because of the
fascist movie companies in the State College area, the film is not playing!!

Is anyone else having this problem???  Has the movie been released to
metropolitan areas only???

I NEED to see this movie-----Help!

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <9tmn8r+@lynx.unm.edu>, lazlo@triton.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) writes:
> >kosts@ursa.calvin.edu (Steven Koster) writes:
> >
>> >> No, no, no. The angels are not Laura, Annie, or anyone else we know.  
> >
> >I really hate to disappoint you, Steven, but you're *wrong*.  There's a
> >still of the "angel-in-the-train-car" scene in the booklet of the soundtrack
> >CD and it's definitely, unmistakably Laura.
> >
> >Go watch the movie again.
> >
> >--
> >Lazlo (lazlo@triton.unm.edu)

Nope, Steven is right.  Stay and watch the ending credits of the movie.  The
two angels (one in the train car and the other in the red room) are played by
two actresses.  One is Lorin somebody and the other is Karin somebody.
By the way, the first time I saw the movie the guy in front of me had a Save
The Pine Weasel shirt.  When asked, he said that he got the address from
someone on this group.  Does anyone have that address?
Also does anyone know what the status is on the English laserdisc boxed set? 
If I save up enough money I'll buy that and a laserdisc player.
And about that Bowie bit, what exactly was he wearing?  Looked like a white
suit with a Hawaian shirt on.  Any Jacoby references?


Internet address: Floyd@ufcc.ufl.edu
Bitnet address  : Floyd@ufcc
All opinions expressed are my own or mine.

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <9209110347.AA02428@cs.utexas.edu> STDN%MARIST.bitnet@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Dan Newcombe) writes:
> >Okay,  I just read most of the old messages in the newsgroup and
> >now have a few of my own.

You know, this one post here should probably be saved as the Twin Peaks
FAQ. :-)

> >1) Just where does the special European ending start on the movie
> >   and what is different?

It starts at the scene where Sarah Palmer, half-asleep, has a vision of
BOB in her daughter's room.  Everything after that is new/different,
though large chunks of it were adapted for Cooper's first-season dream
sequence.  The original pilot ended with Sarah instead seeing a vision
of a gloved hand taking the necklace that Donna and James buried.

> >2) Who is Judy?

Good question.  Dialogue from the extended version of the David Bowie
scene implied that she is someone working with the FBI on the Blue Rose
cases -- about the beings from the Lodges.

> >3) How is it that Dale is able to talk to Laura (i.e. Don't take the
> >   Ring) and stuff like that, and how does he get to the curtain place
> >   so easy, like at the end.

Because this is Dale after the end of the series, when he is "trapped
in the Lodge and can't leave".  Time flows strangely in the Lodge --
backwards, in a sense.

> >4) I am assuming that the chick at the end in the black dress standing
> >   by Coop is the same chick from the end of the pilot where the LMfAP
> >   says "She looks a lot like Laura..."  Then why is she so happy at
> >   the angel.

That WAS Laura, or more accurately her spirit.

> >5) Everyone seems to say that the ring symbolizes "You're next"  Then
> >   howcome when the OAM drives up screaming, he holds up his hand with
> >   the ring on it?

Because he's from the Lodge, and they control the ring.  It's theirs.
Why shouldn't he wear it?

> >6) What is the Twin Peaks FTP site? I remember it is audrey and in AU.

audrey.sait.edu.au

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

Sherilyn Fenn also just finished the new "Of Mice and Men" remake.
Cant wait to see Lenny snap her neck, she is too great.

Love ya Audrey!!


Matt



</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>

In article <1992Sep11.050008.6474@ttinews.tti.com>, lester@soldev.tti.com
(jim) wrote:
> > 
> > Tremond=Tree mound
> > 

Nope, try French:

Tres=Three
Mond=World

-Rich Haller

</pre>
<hr><a target="right" href="/fwwm/index.txt">Return</a></body></html>