Season 1, Episode 02: Zen, or the Skill to Catch a Killer — April 19–25, 1990

In article <D3X#2Z#@rpi.edu>, mcgeary@hope.its.rpi.edu (Darren S.
McGeary) writes:
> > 
> >       Did anyone notice the necklace that the "new girl" at One-Eyed Jacks
> > was wearing.  It was a club as in the suit of clubs from a deck of cards.
> > Could Laura have had a heart necklace because it represented the suit of
> > hearts.  Since One-Eyed Jacks is also a casino(did I hear that right?),
> > maybe Laura worked there also.  I missed the last half-hour of the pilot
> > and the whole 2nd episode, maybe someone can correct any inconsistancies.

However, before Donna and James bury his half of the heart (I, for one, believe
there is only one), she asks him where his half of "the heart that you
gave Laura"
is.  It is unlikely that he gave her a heart because of any knowledge of
One-Eyed
Jacks.

 - Wilson

In article <10494@sun.udel.edu>, conrad@sun.udel.edu (Jon Conrad) says:
> >
> >One of the directors of future episodes is Caleb Deschanel, the superb
> >cinematographer (Black Stallion) and film director.  His wife Mary Jo
> >plays the mother in the wheelchair.  Lynch and Frost are getting unusual
> >people to do the job, not typical tv folk.
> >
Another director will be Tim Hunter of "River's Edge" fame.  He would
seem to be a nice fit for Twin Peaks.  Frost directs one of the later
episodes -- he has mentioned that it has a somewhat faster pace than
the other episodes because it is crammed full of plot.  It looks like
the future episodes are in good hands, though I don't expect the quality
to be quite as high as with the Lynch directed episodes.

Scott Schnackenberg

In article <1990Apr21.044204.15368@cec1.wustl.edu> 
sjl8335@cec1.wustl.edu (Scott James Ladewig) writes:
> >It is hard to believe that some people would not recognize
> >the great Glenn Miller song Pennsylvania-65000.
> >...
> >                                       Some of you are just
> >trying to read something into everything. Not everything is
> >a symbol.
> > 
> >Scott "Cheesehead" Ladewig

Well, I think the point is this:  Why that particular song?  Obviously
it reminded him of Laura in some way.  It may not be a "strange" song
but it's also not one you hear a lot anymore either.

It may not be the case that the song "symbolizes" anything, but it seems
that every little thing in this series is there for a reason.  Lynch
is too artsy to just toss things in here and there without thinking.  In 
that sense, _everything_ is significant, if only to set a particular mood.

David Baggett
dmb@cscwam.umd.edu

Meet Madeleine, who's lived most everywhere, from Zanzibar to Barclay Square,
But Laura's only seen the sights a girl can see from Boxcar heights,
What a crazy pair...
But they're cousins, identical cousins all the way
One pair of matching bookends, different as night and day.

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The television commercial for a soap opera that Shelley Johnson had
flipped through had a billowy curtain of blue velvet flowing behind it.

Leo Johnson's house seems to be "under construction" in the interior. 
Lying on the floor and hanging from the walls are many many sheets of
PLASTIC WRAPPING - almost identical to the material around Laura's body.

There is an additional J-related name not on Dale Cooper's list - 
Benjamin Horne's brother Jerry. "Nervous about meeting J tonight." Could
it be Jerry at the brothel?

 
> > In article <1990Apr18.203604.7881@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca>,
mposner@gpu.utcs.utoronto.ca (Eli Posner) oozed:

> > ==> 1) The first scene from the pilot:

> > ==> The way truman acted upon getting that phone call was pretty
wierd. Instead
> > ==> of asking 'who died' he asks 'where'. Why does he tell his
secratary not to
> > ==> tell anyone? It seems that he and Packard were expecting this.

I found this immediatly strange also - although I thought he said "she's
dead" - and
the sheriff seemed to know who.

Another thing I find very strange is that no one (except the law) seems
to be asking 
"I wonder who killed Laura" - it seems that there is a lot going on that
people don't
question/don't want to know about (but then again that's Lynch).


willdecwrl!islnds.dec.com!robinson


'I can do any goddamn thing I want'

Hey, has anybody tried taking the audio from the dream sequence and
actually _playing it backwards_!  As I remember from my Cryptic Crossword
days, all those "backs" ("gum back in style" and "arms bend back") indicate
a reversal.  If they can do it on _Stairway to Heaven_ they can do it
here... 

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It seems to me that if someone's arms bend back, it means that they're double
jointed.  I don't know what significance this has if any.  It might be pointed
out that there's a bunch of stuff going on thematically which is definitely
"really there" (ie, not reading too much into things) but also has absolutely
nothing to do with the murder.  Doubling is a consistent theme, and for that
reason the Bobby-Mike-Killer Bob-Mike w/one arm pairing is important, but that
doesn't mean that the latter two are future versions of the former two or
anything weird like that.  Despite all of the semi-weirdness on the edges of
this show, I am positive that the actual killing was your run-of-the-mill
psycho-rape.  Remember, if you just look at the facts in Blue Velvet, and
forget all the wonderful Lynch touches, it's a *very* mundane story.

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We look before and after,                  Only in silence, the word;
We pine for what is not.                   Only in darkness, light;
Our sincerest laughter                     Only in dying, life --
With some pain is fraught.                 Bright the hawk's flight
-- Horace Rumpole (no doubt                  on the empty sky.
   quoting someone else...)                -- Ursula K. LeGuin
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I'll try again, since my last post seemed to lose most of its contents:
It seems to me that if your arms bend back, it means you are *double jointed*. 
Don't ask me what significance this has, but it seems clear to me that doubling
is a consistent theme in this show.  It should be pointed out, however, that
there's a big difference between themes and clues.  Just because something in
this show means something doesn't mean that it has anything whatsoever to do
with the murder.

I had missed that Club necklace on the new girl.  I think it probably is
important.  Anyone remember Ronette wearing a necklace in her porn picture? 
And a question that's been on my mind for a while: why didn't the cops
recognize Leo's van in the picture on the same page??

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Andy Perry; Swarthmore College  AWP92@campus.swarthmore.edu OR AWP92@swarthmr

We look before and after,                  Only in silence, the word;
We pine for what is not.                   Only in darkness, light;
Our sincerest laughter                     Only in dying, life --
With some pain is fraught.                 Bright the hawk's flight
-- Horace Rumpole (no doubt                  on the empty sky.
   quoting someone else...)                -- Ursula K. LeGuin
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In article <49fa5ac5.20b6d@apollo.HP.COM> dineen@apollo.HP.COM (Terence H Dineen) writes:
> >What did Ben say to Jer about what the French sandwiches
> >reminded him of?  He had his mouth full of butter, brie and bread.
> >[In the opening scene of Episode 3 (4/19)]
> >
As far as I can tell Ben says

"This reminds me of the time with (mumble) and (mumble) down by the river"
Jerry: (grunt)
B: Am I right?
J: (affirmtive grunt)

I'm pretty sure the mumbles are women's names.  Laura and Someone else
perhaps?

- Avi
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Here's something that I think nobody has mentioned...the sheriff's
name is Harry S. Truman. I seem to remember that there was a U.S.
president named Harry S. Truman, sometime in the late 1800's (I
think??). Is this a coincidence or is Lynch trying to tell us
something?

Also, "David Lynch" and "Twin Peaks" have the same number of letters!!
Well, almost. I think this is very important!!!!!


Seriously folks....

1) The sandwich scene made me pretty uncomfortable too. I think it
was because I was thinking "how can these people be breathing with
those sandwiches stuffed in their mouths". I was getting short of
breath just watching it, thinking "OK, just chew and swallow a bit...
NOOO DON'T STUFF MORE IN YOUR MOUTH!!! AAAGGGHHHHH!!!"

2) It seemed that when Donna's parents said good night it was around
9 o'clock. When Donna said to James "will we be together?" it was
more like midnight. The camera focused on the grandfather clock
both times so maybe Lynch wanted us to wonder what they were doing
for three hours. Or maybe I misread the clock the first time.

This last one is random, I don't really believe it either...

3) About the dream sequence, the fact that Cooper was old seems to
imply that he was dreaming about after he died. It's in the future,
so that's why the dwarf knows that his favourite gum is about to come
back in style. They are in some antechamber in St. Peter's office
(or something), and the place where they come from is heaven, where
there's flowers and music, etc. Obviously only people who are dead
can hang around there, which is why Cooper assumes that the girl
who looks like Laura really IS Laura. When it turns out that she's
Laura's cousin, he realizes that it's Laura's cousin who was found
dead, not Laura, and Laura is still alive. So, maybe she faked her
own death because she wanted out of her life which had become too
complicated. Cooper's subconscious has noticed some inconsistency
which makes it clear that Laura is still alive, and the dream is
its way of pointing this out to him. The inconsistency might be
related in some way to the music that Audrey is playing. I think
she was probably playing it in her room, Cooper heard this while
he was asleep and that triggered the dream. I.e., when he woke
up and was snapping his fingers to the music he really was hearing
it (maybe not, that's not important to this fascinating analysis).
Maybe Audrey is the only one that Laura confided her scheme to,
and she inadvertently let something slip (or maybe the note, which
Cooper knows is from her, was significant once Cooper found out
from Harry that One Eyed Jack's was a bordello).

Ergo, Lynch can say things like "Laura Palmer's killer will not be
named in the seventh show" because there isn't one. The fact that
it wasn't Laura has not been noticed because the autopsy was such
an "amateur hour" affair that nobody checked that the body was really
hers (since they had no reason to doubt it). Hey, maybe Laura had
plastic surgery and then went back to her job at One Eyed Jack's
as the "new girl".

As Neils Bohr once said, "your theory is crazy, but not crazy enough
to be correct".


- Adam Barr

In article <0093592D.68A04240@MAPLE.CIRCA.UFL.EDU> gary@oak.circa.ufl.edu (Nija/Pwcca/Manitou) writes:

   In article <BRENNAN.90Apr20191151@bach.rtp.dg.com>, brennan@rtp.dg.com (Dave Brennan) writes:

   >     I liked the use of the flashlights in the woods.  I don't understand
   >how the football ended up on the hood of the car, unless there was another
   >football.  The one they pulled out of the tree was on the ground at their
   >feet.  There's no way Leo or the person behind the tree could have beat
   >Bobby and Mike back to the car.

   Huh?? Didn't you hear Leo say "Go out for a pass" while he was holding
   the football? Then, when the guys got back to the car, the football
   suddenly landed on the hood. Leo is apparently a pretty good
   quarterback...

Yea, I heard that, but it seemed to me that they ran pretty far, and with
all those trees, I find it hard to believe that Leo could have hit the car
from where he was standing.  Especially with a cut open football.  I guess
I could be wrong.
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What Ben said was something like: 
 
"This reminds us of Jenny and Janie down by the river." 
 
At least that's what it sounded like.
 
Scott "Cheesehead" Ladewig

In article <4713@scorn.sco.COM>, davidbe@sco.COM (The Cat in the Hat) writes:
> > 
> > I can't make out the population sign.  I haven't taped it, so my vague
> > memory looks like it says 18000, but that seems way too large for the 
> > size of the police force.  8000 seems better.

Resolution on standard U.S. TV's is fairly crummy, but I think
the sign says population 11,204.


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Paul Raveling
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In article <779@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU> bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU (Barry Gingrich) writes:
> >
> >Just for grins:  On my deck of playing cards (Fox Lake - reversed colors)
> >the one-eye Jacks also only have one arm each.  The Jack of Hearts has
> >only a left arm, the Jack of Spades only a right.  Since I assume that
> >the club in question is probably based on the Jack of Hearts, it would
> >seem that the one-armed man has nothing to do with One-eyed Jack's.
> >Though he could have been the one to dig up the heart...with his
> >spade...oh, never mind.  Just another example to show how the over-analysis
> >can get really silly.  Fun, but silly.
> >
Well, I might as well go even further off the deep-end.
I have watched and rewatched the dream scene, and the 
strange shadow appears to be a spade, and as you wrote
the Jack of Spades is one-eyed; and since the whole
atmosphere of the room from another time appears to be
like one of a bordello then the shadow could be referring
to One-Eyed Jacks.

So what are you Twin Peakers favorite characters?

male has to be Agent Cooper; female definitely Nadine.

sally@mica

> >- Barry   gingrich%tisl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu OR bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU

In article <BRENNAN.90Apr20191151@bach.rtp.dg.com>, brennan@rtp.dg.com
(Dave Brennan) writes:
> > 
> >     It interesting that nobody on the net noticed all the "J"s that Laura
> > could have been referring to in her diary.
> > ...  I think it was a nice twist the way
> > that the "Jack with one eye" was erased from the list.  I'm attributing the
> > broken bottle to this entry from Cooper's list!  Also interesting was that
> > Jerry Horne _wasn't_ on the list.

Another possibile J -- How about "John", referring to
one of the Jack's customers?

> >      Someone mentioned the possibility of Donna's father (Will) being the
> > killer
.... 
> >      I thought shot of Laura's picture with blood all over it was powerful.
> > What an excellent idea.  I kind of suspected that it would break, but
> > didn't anticipate the blood.

This one's pretty graphic.  How many people in this town
literally have blood on their hands?


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Paul Raveling
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In article <1119@bullwinkle.UUCP>, chris@bullwinkle.UUCP (Chris Andersen
(The Dangerous Guy)) writes:
> > 
> > 
> > [ Flash Through: several short, almost subliminal, scenes:
...
> > Man (Bob) at the foot of the bed (from Laura's mom's visions)
> > Murder scene (lots of blood)
> > Laura's dead body ]

These would definitely be subliminal without VCR to freeze
frames.

I don't think the guy at the foot of the bloody bed was Bob;
in fact I don't think he'd appeared before this.

My recollection of sequencing might be off, but I think the
next flash was of Laura's face, or rather her corpse's face.

The murder scene (?) was odd.  It featured what looked something
like an altar topped by a jaggedly cut slab of polished marble.
In the middle was a mound, brilliant white at the top and
blood red at the bottom.  It wasn't literally the box car
with the mound of dirt, but perhaps it was the image of what
the box car scene represented.

So what does all this mean?  Beats me.  Could it just be what
a Freudian would call Cooper's "day residues" flashing and
fading into a more imaginative dream world?


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Paul Raveling
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In article <672@unicorn.WWU.EDU>, n8743196@unicorn.WWU.EDU (jeff
wandling) writes:
> > --
> > Why couldn't Cooper really dig APPLE pie? I mean, WA is THE apple state!
> > just wondering.

They also grow lots of cherries, or at least they did when I
lived there.  I think it was somewhere around Puyallup that
we used to go to find a pick-em-yourself orchard.


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Paul Raveling
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In article <13028@venera.isi.edu>, raveling@isi.edu (Paul Raveling) writes:
> > 
> > Here's the essence of what I learned last night from
> > a phone call to my distant relation in the Frost family...

One more thing that would be of interest to the Europeans
who I hope aren't getting spoiled by reading this...
although this is so confusing that there may be no such thing
as a spoiler.

Twin Peaks will be delayed a fair bit in Europe, except for
the pilot of course.  The scheduling problem comes in producing
PAL masters (U.S. TV uses NTSC); apparently this is a slower
process than I'd have guessed.  At this time the PAL
masters are finished for only 2 of the 7 1-hour episodes.


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Paul Raveling
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In article <10522@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
> >In article <TAXHCTC@xavier.swarthmore.edu>, awp92@campus.swarthmore.edu writes...
> >} And what the hell was going on with the dialogue in that dream?????
> >} Why slow down normal English and then give us subtitles?

> >Because a lot of people wouldn't be able to understand the spoken dialog.
> >I'm not sure that I would've gotten all of it if not for the subtitles.

I loved the subtitles.  I think they made the whole scene.  I don't
know, but for me, it made the thing *stranger*, as if I were watching
a French movie where midgets were actually speaking distorted English
and saying this like, "Let's Rock!"  God, I don't think it would have
been nearly as good without the subtitles.

> >--- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA)

Ye gods.  Mr. Boyajian is here.  And here I was thinking that this
reminded me of the discussions of the Watchmen.  And yes, I'd like to
see a Watchmen miniseries directed by Lynch...  Perhaps a regular
show, but only for a season.

-Sho
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sho@physics.purdue.edu  <<-- The gum you like....

> > The person who said that the pilot was "obviously pieced together from
> > several episodes, with commercial breaks in the wrong places" was way
> > off the mark.  The two-hour pilot WAS filmed as a separate movie, and
> > shown at film festivals as such (in Miami, for instance).  Lynch just
> > likes to fade to black now and then; it's especially helpful to have it
> > as part of the filming style since you'll be forced to do it for
> > commercials anyway.

It was my understanding that ABC went through a lot of wrangling about Twin
Peaks.  They were apparently not at all sure about its success (hence the
scheduling - *), and there was talk for a while that, due to the extremely
<insert-bogus-adjective-here> nature of the show, ABC would air the pilot
without commercials, leading many people to the conclusion that "Oh, they just
couldn't get sponsors for this weird show".  Perhaps the reality wound up
somewhere in between:  judging from the length between fades to commercial
black, ABC might have sold commercial time only in alternating commercial
break slots within the film.

(*) - It should also be considered that maybe the talk about ABC's worrying,
about the lack of sponsors, about the "bad" scheduling, etc., were
deliberately manufactured to create an atmosphere of concern and interest
in which weirdos like us who like the strange and bizarre, who consider
network TV to be a waste of time, and who spend time overanalyzing stuff
like this would inevitably start watching the show, eventually falling into
the same addictive TV-soap-watching pattern as those who watch Dallas, Knots
Landing, and Wheel of Fortune.  This would mean that ABC was not only NOT
worried about the show's success, they were actually convinced of it, to
the point where they scheduled it to go head to head against major
competition.  (This is, of course, too far fetched.  Network executives and
advertising conmen would NEVER stoop to a dirty trick like this, and we're
all far too intelligent to fall for such a trick if they did, right?)

Gee, this is almost as much fun as analyzing the show itself. :-)
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Yet another candidate, but so obvious!!
How about "Janek Pulaski"?

Picture this scenario, Diane:
Laura Palmer, otherwise sparkling exemplar of American youth,
discovers her classmate Ronnette Pulaski has an interesting money
making hobby after school hours.
Laura decides to cash in on it by blackmail.
She goes to the father of Ronnette: "Nervous about meeting J"
The father kills the blackmailer, then beats up his own daughter.

Supporting evidence: Janek had a blood soaked bandage on his right
arm when he was being interviewed by Hawk.
Also: The term "perfume counter girl" is a well known local Twin Peaks
lingo for star performer at the local cat house.
The testimony of the Pulaski parents was obviously a cover-up.

Also have to check on "Fred Truax". Sounds like a phony name.
The first two letters match the letters under the fingernails.
Seems he was fired from the lumbermill the morning after the Palmer
girl was slain, cannot quite get the details.

Diane, tell Sam that we're making Albert look like a chump again!
Start up a pot of Java for me, looks like an early return!

     "Diane, I'm holding a box of chocolate bunnies..."

   

     BTW, I too am convinced that Diane is the name of Cooper's
tape recorder.


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In article <1990Apr22.192318.18117@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> kem@csri.toronto.edu (Kem Luther) writes:
> >Still trying to read the backwards-as-forwards part of the dream 
> >sequence as a coded message.  In an earlier posting I suggested that
> >the gum was P.K.s gum.  This was named after P.K. Wrigley, as I recall.
> >I checked with one Canadian of Lynch vintage, and the brand was well
> >known before it disappeared.  

I did not catch your earlier message, so maybe you mentioned this, but
I seem to recall from some Anthropology class that "P.K." also means 
"prostitute" in south-east Asia, P.K. gum having been used as payment for 
services by American servicemen in World War II, I believe.

This show would make good material for a high-school English course.
Endless thickets of symbology to get lost in.

John

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From article <1115@bullwinkle.UUCP>, by chris@bullwinkle.UUCP (Chris Andersen (The Dangerous Guy)):

> Bobby and his friend, in jail, talk about the money and Bobby says he
> gave $10,000 to Leo "last night". Now, "last night" would have been
> Day 1, probably after Cooper and Truman let him go and before he went
> to the Roadhouse and definately AFTER Bobby found out that Leo was back
> in town (the money may have been a major reason why he was visibly
> upset at finding this out).

I can't remember whether he says "last night" or "the other night" but
he definitely says "the night Laura died." I think he's lying to Mike
(his mannerism, nervousness etc. would suggest it) about when he gave
the money to Leo perhaps because he had been in cahoots with Leo for
more than their fair share (acing out Mike, who seems slow enough to
get taken).

I just can't believe this would get missed when so many other small
details have been gotten right . . .
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Everyone (myself included) has been talking about the T and R from
the blackboard as being part of some code.

Naughty people. No one has even mentioned the obvious point:

R - Ronnette
T - Teressa Banks (remember her from a year ago)

How about L for Laura ? Maybe it was elsewhere on the blackboard.
That's your job to figure out.

Eli

In article <2633bfa7.206e@petunia.CalPoly.EDU> mdella@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (Marcos Della) writes:
> >     BTW, I too am convinced that Diane is the name of Cooper's
> >tape recorder.

Then riddle me this:  If Diane is his tape recorder, why would he say
something like (paraphrased) "take this directly to Albert, don't go to
<whoever>.  Albert seems to have more on the ball"?  Obviously Albert 
got the info just like DCooper wanted.  No, I'm firmly convinced that
Diane is a real person.  I'm not sure, though, whether she's Cooper's
secretary/assistant or a superior.  Perhaps she's a peer, and works out
of "the home office."  Maybe she's the food editor at the FBI newsletter...

"Agents lucky enough to travel to the northwest U.S. will find a grand 
selection of coffee, gum, chocolate bunnies, and donuts...and a cherry 
pie that'll kill ya."  .-) 
-- - Barry gingrich%tisl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu OR bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU

In article <13038@venera.isi.edu> raveling@isi.edu (Paul Raveling) writes:
> >Resolution on standard U.S. TV's is fairly crummy, but I think
> >the sign says population 11,204.

TV Guide says 51,201, which I'm positive is what I remember seeing 
on the sign.  I know that it was 50,000+.  Thus, Twin Peaks is really 
not a *small* town.  It's more of a medium-size blue-collar town, tho
it really doesn't feel that size on the show.  The feel is much more
like a town of 10-15,000.  But, as usual, I wasn't consulted...
-- - Barry gingrich%tisl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu OR bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU

Hey, people, we missed something!

The scene with the subconciously influenced 'innocence by rock-throwing'...
what if Agent Cooper shouldn't have erased the one-eyed jack from the list,
for some reason.  that would mean that the whole list from then on down 
should be shifted by one, and the correct answer is... [i forget who was
second to last, anyone remember offhand?]

8-)


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In article <1990Apr20.222429.24756@terminator.cc.umich.edu> diane@ifs.umich.edu writes:
> >   MEMO TO:  FBI Special Agent Dale Cooper
> >   RE:  Twin Peaks case to date
> >
> >   Here are the developemnts to date in the "Twin Peaks" case.  I have
> >   placed them in relational database format, as usual.  I would have done
> >   more, but Albert has been a pain.  You know how that is.  

Great database, "Diane"!  I've found it very useful, since I missed
the first two episodes.  I hope you find the time to keep it
up to date as the show progresses...

I've taken the opportunity of an interesting database to play
with "awk" a bit, and I hacked up the following two scripts
which helped me out.  I'm an awk novice, so they're worth
about what you're paying for them...


1) Somewhere along the line, the lines of the databases got wrapped,
so that Diane's "sed" scripts wouldn't work correctly.  I wrote
the first script below, "tp-joinlines", to join the events file
back into one-record-per-line (I massaged the groups database manually;
it only needed it in a couple places, and my script didn't work on it). 

Usage:
chmod a+x tp-joinlines
tp-joinlines <events >events2
mv events2 events 

2) I kept wanting to look up everything known about a person
while I was going through the events of the story, so I worked
up "tp_who".  Just supply it with the nickname of the character,
as supplied in the events data.  It prints out the record
from the people database, and any relationships from the groups 
database.

(In case anyone on a Unix system didn't know how to use
the Diane database, the following worked for me:
1 - cut the directed part out of the article, save it in a file, e.g. "tp"
2 - sh tp
3 - chmod a+x Events People
4 - If some of the records in "events" or "people" are wrapped onto
    multiple lines, fix them so each is on a single line (by editing,
    or by using my tp-joinlines on "events")
5 - Events <events >event.list
6 - People <people >people.list)


----------- cut here for tp-joinlines -----------
#!/bin/awk -f
# join Twin Peaks event database lines that have been broken up by mailer
# (we hope they haven't been broken right before a ":")
# method is: print lines with carriage return at beginning instead
# of end, omitting the CR if it doesn't start with a colon.
# Doesn't work with people or groups databases: their records don't
# start with ":" like the events database.

/^#/{ print; next } # leave comment lines untouched
/^:/{ printf "\n%s", $0; next } 
{ printf " %s", $0; next}

END{printf "\n"}

--------------- end of tp-joinlines -------------------


------------  cut here for tp_who -------------
#!/bin/csh
# print info about a Twin Peaks character, whose nickname is
# supplied on command line

# print entry from people database, using variation on Diane's script
awk -F: ' \
/^#/ {next} \
$1 == person { \
printf "Name: %s   Full Name: %s\nAge: %s   Sex: %s   Actor: %s\nDescription: %s\n", $1, $2, $3, $4, $5, $6} \
'  person=$1 people 

# print the relationships the person is involved in
echo Relationships:
grep $1 groups | awk -F: ' \
/^#/{ next } \
$1 == "locals" {printf "  Inhabitant of Twin Peaks\n"; next} \
$1 == "outsiders" {printf "  Outsider to Twin Peaks\n"; next} \
{printf "  %s:  %s (%s)\n     %s\n", $2, $3, $1, $4} \
' - 

------------------- end of tp_who ----------------------

Here's a sample:

hobbes 140 % tp_who Cooper
Name: Cooper   Full Name: Dale Cooper
Age: 35   Sex: M   Actor: Kyle McLachlan
Description: FBI Special Agent
Relationships:
  Outsider to Twin Peaks
  police:  possible suspect (bobby-police)
     Bobby Sheriff Cooper
  police:  suspect (james-police)
     James Sheriff Cooper
  business:   (tape-recorder)
     Cooper Diane
  business:  people investigating the murders (fbi)
     Cooper Albert

Here's to better TV viewing through the miracle of computer automation.
Pretty soon, we won't have to watch at all... 

-- Jamie Gray



Jamie Gray, Sun Microsystems    "Broken pipes; broken tools;
Mountain View, CA                People bendin' broken rules"
Internet:  jamison@Sun.COM            - Bob Dylan, "Everything's Broken"


--
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In article <685@unicorn.WWU.EDU> n8949802@unicorn.WWU.EDU (nadja adolf) writes:

> >Well, other inconsistencies are
> >1) EXACTLY what state line can you walk across near the coast in Washington?
> >   You could cross an international border, but not a state line.
> >2) Bleach bottles, condoms and such are comparatively rare on Northwest beaches.   It is too cold to use the beaches for most activities most of the year (copuu   lating in anything lighter than a mummy bag is a challenge except in the summ   er in most of the beaches in Oregon and Washington. However, one would expect
> >   some stinky seaweed or kelp to be present, and some wet wood.
> >3) I think one exterior shot may have been of the lodge near Snoqualmie Falls.
> >   Anyone share this opinion? 
> >
> >Anyway, It doesn't take much of a tide to return a body. Wonder where the
> >hungry crabs were, though.
> >

I was under the impression that the beach was NOT a Pacific Ocean beach, but
it looked more like a lake or river to me. I seem to recall shots of an
opposite shore not too far off.



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Well, here are some ideas:

"Let's Rock" - just like the famous Tibetan Rock throwing method to find
       who did it.  To paraphrase, "let's find out the killer."

"Convenience Store" - The Horne Brother's store where Ronette worked.

"Gum" - Here is a stretch: BlackJack -> BJ -> (B)en and (J)erry.

"She is my cousin" - If the midget is Audrey, that means Laura is Jerry's
daughter.  Is that why Leland has blood on
his hands?

"Had those vikings by the horns/hornes" - and the antlers <-> horne reference.

What is the deal with the many crippled references.  One-eyed jack.  One-eyed
Nadine.  Bent back arms.  One armed man.  Autistic son of Ben.  Mrs. Palmer 
in a wheelchair.

Also isn't Jerry the psycho from "Dreamscape"?  I thought so.

Waiting for Thursday,
Brian

roddy@eniac.seas.upenn.edu"Clean and Reasonably Priced."
roddy@linc.cis.upenn.edu

I messed up on my recording of the regular season opener and the
second episode.  Does someone have VHS copies that they could lend
me?  In return, I have a copy of the 2 hour pilot that I could lend
you.

David Chin

> > In article <1990Apr22.192318.18117> kem@csri.toronto.edu (Kem Luther) writes:
> >
> >Who was it that popularized the term "Let's rock?"
> > 

It may be a reference to Cooper's throwing the rocks at the jar.

I wish I had taped the third episode.  There's one thing about
the whole rock-throwing scene that keeps popping into my head 
that I'd love to check out.  Cooper essentially implied that 
the subconscious would straighten his aim when a significant 
stimulus (name) was mentioned.  Perhaps, and I'm reaching here,
the significant stimulus turned out not to be the obvious name,
but rather the way the name was said (by the sheriff), or some 
other event closely tied with the reading of each name.  Maybe
Cooper's subconscious keyed on a quaver in Truman's voice or
an oddity in his phrasing (yes, the sheriff is near the top of
my current suspect list :-).

doug scofield                        doog@SSD.CSD.HARRIS.COM
harris computer systems        {uunet,mit-eddie,novavax}!hcx1!doog
               "Isn't this just dreamy? ..."

In article <685@unicorn.WWU.EDU>, n8949802@unicorn.WWU.EDU (nadja adolf) writes:
> > In article <661@ssc.UUCP> markz@ssc.UUCP (Mark Zenier) writes:
>> >>
>> >>The inconsistency (in addition to the wrong pitch of the foghorn) was how 
>> >>clean the beach was.  If it was the sort of tide to wash up a body, I'd 
>> >>expect to find a couple of bleach bottles, a dead seagull, and a used
>> >>condom or two.  
>> >>
>> >>Markz@ssc.uucp 
> > 
> > Well, other inconsistencies are
> > 1) EXACTLY what state line can you walk across near the coast in Washington?
> >    You could cross an international border, but not a state line.

Right.  I believe that the series is set INLAND, on a river near a 
lake.  I don't think the sea has anything to do with it.  If you look
at the Northeastern corner of Washington, there are plenty of lakes
and rivers to set a television series near.  The fact that Agent Cooper
would be out of his jurisdiction if he visited One-Eyed Jack's should
be taken into consideration...

Eric Yeater
Public Broadcasting Service
My Opinion

Can some reader of this newsgroup (and remember it is YOUR newsgroup,
democratically elected -- oops, wrong TP :-) explain why deputy Hawk
seemed to present incorrect information to agent Cooper?  To wit:

In the hospital, just outside Ronette's room, Hawk is inquiring of her
parents what Ronette did for a living.  Mama tearfully explains that
she worked at (Horne's dept store? at) the perfume counter.  She was
a, a, sales girl ... <sobs>.  The interview is cut short when the one-
armed man makes a sudden appearance.  <They could probably catch him
just by staking out the hospital elevator :->

Later on Cooper tells Truman that Hawk reported that Ronette had recently
quit her job at the perfume counter for unstated reasons.  As near as I
can see, Hawk had no knowledge that Ronette had quit her job.  And if
Hawk had gone to the store to inquire further, it would have been easy 
enough for Cooper to mention that to Truman.  This is probably just a
dangling thread, but bothers me.  

Could the dream sequence "floating thing" have been a reference to a bird?  

Why was Ronette allowed to live, anyway?

Could "FIRE WALK WITH ME" be reinterpreted as "FIREWALK WITH ME"?  In reference
to the custom of lovers walking over hot coals?

And just what is the correct line from the dream:

"One chance _____ between two worlds"

With Laura's lookalike cousin coming soon, anybody taking bets on Laura's
mother's reaction to seeing her?

  John (Another "J", no I never met Laura Palmer)

In article <13222@csli.Stanford.EDU>, 
podlozny@csli.stanford.edu (Ann Podlozny) said:

> > I think Audrey dropped the note off to Cooper; I think she's a key.
> > She seems to know about EVERYTHING.  Where does she get her
> > information?!

Well, there's this shoe-shine guy who used to hang around "Police
Squad"...  :-)
-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu> Where have all the good men gone, and where are all the gods? Where's the streetwise Hercules to fight the rising odds?

In article <BRENNAN.90Apr23180143@bach.rtp.dg.com> brennan@rtp.dg.com (Dave Brennan) writes:
[ ... in response to several other articles which I have deleted,
about footballs in the woods, and how Leo could have tossed his,
through the trees, in the dark, onto the hood of the car.]
> >Yea, I heard that, but it seemed to me that they ran pretty far, and with
> >all those trees, I find it hard to believe that Leo could have hit the car
>from where he was standing.  Especially with a cut open football.  I guess
> >I could be wrong.

The football on the hood of the car was an intact miniature, while
one that Leo was holding was a cut-open full-sized ball, filled with
cash. My bet is that whoever was behind the trees left it on the car
on their way out, following the high school stooges.
-------------------------------------------------------
Maybe Cooper spit out that damn good coffee because it had fish in
it and he didn't want the fish planter to know that he was onto them.
and maybe the dream was trying to tell us that the series will
only make sense when viewed backwards ;)
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In article <35758@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU>, gwh@tornado.Berkeley.EDU (George William
Herbert) says:
> >
> >Hey, people, we missed something!
> >
> >The scene with the subconciously influenced 'innocence by rock-throwing'...
> >what if Agent Cooper shouldn't have erased the one-eyed jack from the list,
> >for some reason.  that would mean that the whole list from then on down
> >should be shifted by one, and the correct answer is... [i forget who was
> >second to last, anyone remember offhand?]

No, I don't think so.  You'll remember that Agent Cooper spoke the name
of the person to the rock just before he threw it.  This would fit in
with his psycho-babble about motor coordination and the "deepest layers
of intuition" i.e., the thrown rock represents his subconscious
feelings about "nervous about meeting J tonight" (NOT necessarily the
murderer).  For the record, the bottle broke on..Leo Johnson's name.  There
were no more after that (so there is no "whole list to be shifted down one")
and Leo was directly after the (erased) Jack With One Eye (which my deepest
level of intuition warns is not necessarily The One Eyed Jack.

How he would know anything about Leo Johnson when he hasn't even met, talked
or interviewed the guy I don't know.
--                                                      ele@psuvm.psu.edu
jeremy..                                        crampton@yon.geog.psu.edu

In article <1990Apr23.205331.289@laguna.ccsf.caltech.edu> shippert@tybalt.caltech.edu (Tim Shippert) writes:
> >Hey, has anybody tried taking the audio from the dream sequence and
> >actually _playing it backwards_!  As I remember from my Cryptic Crossword

I did this (played the audio in reverse) right after I saw the episode.  It
sounds like they are speaking the lines so that they will sound correct 
when played backwards.  No hidden messages!
--
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  tom@mills.berkeley.edu * po box 9201, oakland, ca  94613 * (415) 430-2191

In looking at the tape from the last episode, the sign 
on the dock at One-Eyed Jack's doesn't show which suit,
but it is a red jack looking to the right (don't play
cards much so don't know if they all look that way or
what).
 
Also, my roommate and I were reviewing the dream sequence
in frame by frame, and we hadn't noticed nefore that when Mike
is talking, he appears to be in the morgue/autopsy room, whatever 
they call it.  There's one of those scales behind his left shoulder
and other lab looking equipment. Would be consistent with where
we first see him, going into that part of the hospital.
 
Scott "Cheesehead" Ladewig

In article <13050@venera.isi.edu> schur@venera.isi.edu (Sean Schur) writes:
> >
> >I was under the impression that the beach was NOT a Pacific Ocean beach, but
> >it looked more like a lake or river to me. I seem to recall shots of an
> >opposite shore not too far off.
> >

My understanding was that these scenes were filmed somewhere on Puget Sound,
which has larger tides in some places than the Washington Coast and furthermore,
is quite narrow in places.

-dd-

Here's a *little* bit of info on directors/style from the May issue of 
_Elle_, written by Graham Fuller, quoted without permission from
anyone:

"Lynch and Frost have each directed one more episode [beyond the pilot]; the
other directors, including Tim Hunter, Tina Rathborne, and Caleb
Deschanel, were chosen for their movie backgrounds.  The casting draws
on screen icons from the past, with Richard Beymer, Russ Tamblyn, Piper
Laurie, and Lipton inscribing the fifties and sixties, while the high
school kids evoke _Rebel Without a Cause_ rather than _Heathers_.
'We have some of that fifties hyperrealism,' says Frost, 'but we sought
a timeless quality, so that it's unclear what decade it is -- the
show is like a cultural compost heap.'
'There's a certain stylized B-picture quality that's sacred to
me,' says Lynch.  'When the light is right in old neighborhoods, you
get a rush from your childhood, and then a modern car drives through
bringing the two things together.  This happened when we were shooting
in the school, which was built in the fifties.  Something from that
era started floating around in the present and influenced may things
that took place on the set.'
...The refusal to telegraph every emotion with the paint-by-numbers
film grammar of _Dallas_ and _Dynasty_ may disarm some watchers even
more than the Magritte-like imagery.  'I couldn't care less about
changing TV conventions,' says Lynch.  'We just wanted to feel the mood
of a town that seemed a thrilling place to visit.  And *everybody's*
obsessed with mysteries and secrets.' "


There's also a great picture of 'Audrey' (plus article) in the same
issue....

ann

It seems as though there is a non-trivial number of people who post articles 
of the form "I missed episode X but have episode Y.  Is there anyone willing
to trade/lend their copy ..."  Given that, I think that it might be a good
idea to centralize the list of people who have tapes that they would be willing
to trade/lend to others.  I would be willing to be caretaker of this list.

If you have a tape that you would be willing to trade or lend, then please send
the following information:
Name
EMail Address
Tapes You Have
Conditions (e.g. trade only; receiver pays postage or courier; etc.)
After I get an idea of who has what, I would be willing to take requests for
tapes and match them to lenders.

I don't know if this will work or not (or even if it is strictly legal according
to the current laws) but I'm willing to give it a shot.  If it is thoroughly
illegal, then this message was forged :-).

-- Carlo Sgro Not a card-carrying member of the watmath!watcgl!electro!carlo Laurie Bower Singers Fan Club.

In article <13038@venera.isi.edu> raveling@isi.edu (Paul Raveling) writes:
> >
> >In article <4713@scorn.sco.COM>, davidbe@sco.COM (The Cat in the Hat) writes:
>> >> 
>> >> I can't make out the population sign.  I haven't taped it, so my vague
>> >> memory looks like it says 18000, but that seems way too large for the 
>> >> size of the police force.  8000 seems better.
> >
> >Resolution on standard U.S. TV's is fairly crummy, but I think
> >the sign says population 11,204.

And falling.  

:-)

> >
> >
> >----------------
> >Paul Raveling
> >Raveling@isi.edu


-- Diane

In article <40208@cornell.UUCP> culbreth@cs.cornell.edu (Pamela Jean Culbreth) writes:
> >Anyone care to venture a guess on the significance
> >of "living above a convenience store" metioned
> >in Cooper's dream?
> >
> >-pam-


Even more significantly, the phrase was worded something like "we
lived above what you would call a convenience store," implying that
the bearded guy can from a time or place where the concept of such
a place is unfamiliar to him.  After he is finished speaking the
long-haired guy seems to be looking around for him as if overhearing
him speaking, calling out his name the way someone would if they
thought they were listening to a ghost.

The idea of time differentials being involved is looking more and more
correct.  Either the bearded guy comes from the past or the future.
Perhaps he is the temptor who has prompted the murderer to do the
killings.  Things are starting to look very Satanic.

In article <54233@microsoft.UUCP> adamba@microsoft.UUCP (Adam BARR) writes:
> >
> >3) [theory about Laura's cousin being the murder victim]

This is currently my theory about the murder.  Why?

1) In the Pilot, James says to Donna that Laura hasn't been herself
   lately.

2) The cousin in the dream.

3) The recurring theme of twins/doubles throughout the shows.
   ie. "Twin Peaks", Mike/Bobby vs. Mike/Bob, gum=double-mint,
   mirrors, etc.

- Avi
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In article <685@unicorn.WWU.EDU> n8949802@unicorn.WWU.EDU (nadja adolf) writes:
> >Well, other inconsistencies are
> >1) EXACTLY what state line can you walk across near the coast in Washington?
> >   You could cross an international border, but not a state line.

How about the Washington/Oregon border?  Both of these states are logging states,
and the area she walked into was very similar to the Washington scenes.
Does this even need to be a ocean coastline, though?  All of the areas I've seen near
water are lakes and rivers.  The Sound at biggest, maybe.

Even though my wife isn't interested in watching the series, I absolutely had to 
show her the three scenes with Cooper: Tibetan baseball, A-L-B-E-R-T, and the
dream.  She liked them a lot.  She may even watch the show.

I missed the episode after the pilot.  Anybody working on a plot synopsis of all
the episodes?  

This is certainly one of the most intriguing shows on TV since The Prisoner.

  I have only seen the pilot for Twin Peaks so far (my dad's taping
them for me in Philadelphia), but I was wondering about something.
I've seen the line "Fire walk with me," said as 'Fire! Walk with me'
and 'Fire, walk with me.'

What about "Firewalk with me."  This would seem to make more sense
(for some weird reason :-) in the context of the third series.
How about it?

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In article <54918@bbn.COM> mesard@BBN.COM (Wayne Mesard) writes:
> >Does naybody know who this Julee Cruse person is?  She was the vocalist
> >in the Roadhouse in the first episode.
> >
> >She sounded sort of like Elizabeth Frazer of The Cocteau Twins (but it
> >wasn't her) or whatsername from The Sundays (but I don't think it was
> >her either).
> >

YES!  I thought so too.  I've never heard of her, but I was
intrigued by the Road-house scene because of her haunting
voice.

Also, bits of the soundtrack remind me of `This Mortal Coil',
probably due to that eerie bass beat in the background of the
opening credits.

Tracy,
uunet!sco!tracyr,
tracyr@sco.com
-- "You're right: it is `da-ba-da-ba', not `doo-ba-doo-ba'." -- Andrew Marvick

rchao@well.sf.ca.us (Robert Chao) writes:

> > The "one-armed man" has appeared in the credits but I'm not sure 
> > where he appeared. Was it the scene in the hospital?

Yes, you're correct.  When Agent Cooper and Harry S. Truman were
leaving the hospital and encountered Laura's psychologist, the 
One Armed Man came out of the elevator before them.  

In other news, I found a classified ad in my local paper (San Jose
Mercury News) reading: "Need first episode of Twin Peaks on videotape!"
I told them to bring their vcr over and I'd give them a hand..

 - harrison

Harrison Page               ..apple!uuwest!harrison | "..the grey rain drizzles
harrison@darkside.COM +1 408/446-8980 CiS76424,1020 |   down my face negate
P.O. Box 4436 Mountain View California 94040-4436   | mistrust dementia.."

When Cooper said "no, it *can* wait till morning," I interpreted it to
mean that waiting overnight wouldn't risk anything like the murderer
skipping town; which could mean that the murderer (a) already has
skipped town (but they'd want to get a manhunt out), (b) isn't leaving
because he/she considers himself/herself above suspicion -- i.e., one of
the leading lights of the town rather than one of the obvious lowlife
suspects, or (c) nobody killed Laura, in which case we have all the time
in the world. (But *someone* was killed, so presumably Cooper wants to
apprehend the murderer even if the victim's identity was mistaken.)

All I know is that when Cooper tells us what he knows in the next
episode, it probably won't be as as much fun because it'll be directed
by a "mortal." :-)

jsd@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (Rotund For Success) writes:

> > Audrey appears to be right out of the 1940's.  Not all of the cars
> > appear to be right up to date (this is true of most of the world, but
> > it seemed to be an intentional thing.  note how bobby's car was late
> > 60's/early 70's and his character appears to be a mix of 1950's James
> > Dean and any generic 1980's psychopath.)
> > 
> > Am I going insane?  Is it all just a wild coincidence or is there
> > a serious design thing here?

Hee hee.

I will note that the "timelessness" in Twin Peaks reminds me of the
set and background characters from _Batman_.  (No flames, please.)  
Anton "Dune" Furst's work on _Batman_ was incredible -- the cars and
clothing styles were very 1940's.  However, everything else in the
film pointed to modernism, leaving you with a world where fashion never
made it past the early 50's.

Food for thought.  belch.

 - harrison

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In article <17403@well.sf.ca.us> cbm@well.UUCP (Chris Muir) writes:
> >Meet Madeleine, who's lived most everywhere, from Zanzibar to Barclay Square,
> >But Laura's only seen the sights a girl can see from Boxcar heights,
> >What a crazy pair...
> >But they're cousins, identical cousins all the way
> >One pair of matching bookends, different as night and day.




Alfred Hitchcock's classic motion picture VERTIGO (1958),
featured a beautiful young woman named Madeleine who dies
gruesomely; eventually a woman who looks very much like her
appears in town.
Otto Preminger's LAURA (1944) featured a young woman
named Laura who dies gruesomely;


(SPOILERS)


^L














except that, midway through the movie, we discover that Laura
had not been killed at all; a lookalike had been murdered 
when mistaken for Laura.
David Lynch says that he is not particularly a movie
buff, but perhaps Mark Frost is. Certainly the names Laura
and Madeleine were not chosen by chance; I think their
connection to the Hitchcock and Preminger films is significant.


Mike Carey

Yo!  Dig what boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) sez:
-In article <22379@bellcore.bellcore.com>, wwd@cellar.uucp (Bill Donahue) writes...
-
-} There were a bunch of other "J"'s left out: Jacques the bartender,
-} Julie the concierge, J... the singer.
-
-The singer was Julee Cruse in real life, although whether that was the
-character's name or not is unknown. Another "J" left out was Jerry Horne.

I think part of that was simply that they didn't know about him (unlikely)
or didn't consider him as a possiblity since the impression I got was that
he'd been out of town for quite some time.  Certainly the fresh baguettes
helps reinforce that image.

-- David Bedno aka dave@sco.COM: Speaking from but not for SCO. "A rose by any other name would still smell like dead cow." - chrissc@sco.COM

Yo!  Dig what dmb@wam.umd.edu (David M. Baggett) sez:
-sjl8335@cec1.wustl.edu (Scott James Ladewig) writes:
->It is hard to believe that some people would not recognize
->the great Glenn Miller song Pennsylvania-65000.
-> 
-Well, I think the point is this:  Why that particular song?  Obviously
-it reminded him of Laura in some way.  It may not be a "strange" song
-but it's also not one you hear a lot anymore either.

Actually it's one of those songs for which it's cliche'd that a father 
would teach his daughter how to dance to.  Just about any Big Band song 
would have worked; Pennsylvania 6-5000, is probably one of Lynch's favorites.

Funny how now that Laura's mom has controlled her grief (she seemed more
in control, anyway) that dad broke down.  Real life pretty much works
this way too.

-- David Bedno aka dave@sco.COM: Speaking from but not for SCO. "A rose by any other name would still smell like dead cow." - chrissc@sco.COM

In article <1990Apr23.201658.11026@wam.umd.edu> dmb@wam.umd.edu (David M. Baggett) writes:
> >It may not be the case that the song "symbolizes" anything, but it seems
> >that every little thing in this series is there for a reason.  Lynch
> >is too artsy to just toss things in here and there without thinking.  In 
> >that sense, _everything_ is significant, if only to set a particular mood.

This comment encouraged me to finally get in here and say something.

Look, no offense, folks, but you're reading entirely too much
into Lynch's work.

"Lynch is too artsy to just toss things in here".
Not true.  Sometimes, the best stuff in film is stuff that means
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.  Sometimes, there is NO meaning.  The artist's
intention is to laugh hysterically while knowing that millions of
folks are straining and losing sleep at night to "find the meaning",
insisting that there MUST be some meaning to everything, when
there really isn't.  Dada?

Lynch fans usually sit back and enjoy his work, catching the very
silly things that Lynch includes in his "art".  Lynch likes to
play with emotions.  He'll offend you and horrify you.  Seconds
later, he'll make you laugh.  Then you feel guilty for laughing
because you saw something that horrified you only minutes before.
Anybody who can pull out so many conflicting emotions at one time
is one talented artist, that's for sure.

Of course, it IS kind of fun trying to figure out the "meaning"
to all of this stuff in Twin Peaks, but let's not get carried away?

Also, regarding the necklace:  In the late-70's, a pendant called
a "Mizpah" was all the rage where I come from (Detroit).  The
pendant was inscribed with some "meaningful" stuff about love.
The pendant came in two halves, each with a separate chain.  Each
member of a couple wore half of the necklace, as some sort of
symbol of their "joined hearts".
-- - dawn | | dawn@chinet.chi.il.us ___| ___, __ _____ | With friends like these,

Yo!  Dig what brennan@rtp.dg.com (Dave Brennan) sez:
-In article <0093592D.68A04240@MAPLE.CIRCA.UFL.EDU> gary@oak.circa.ufl.edu (Nija/Pwcca/Manitou) writes:
-
-   Huh?? Didn't you hear Leo say "Go out for a pass" while he was holding
-   the football? Then, when the guys got back to the car, the football
-   suddenly landed on the hood. Leo is apparently a pretty good
-   quarterback...
-
-Yea, I heard that, but it seemed to me that they ran pretty far, and with
-all those trees, I find it hard to believe that Leo could have hit the car
-from where he was standing.  Especially with a cut open football.  I guess
-I could be wrong.

I don't think so.  Consider; Leo would have had to throw the football
past two jocks without their noticing.  So if he didn't whip it by them,
he would have had to go above the tree line.  Take a look at that forest;
there's not much space between branches.  And that's not even talking
about the problem of having the football land *exactly* right.

My guess is that that football was a replacement for the one that was
left behind at the tree.  Anyone wanna lay bets on a connection between
Leo and the one-armed man?

-- David Bedno aka dave@sco.COM: Speaking from but not for SCO. "A rose by any other name would still smell like dead cow." - chrissc@sco.COM

After watching episode 2 with two friends (not twins), we stayed up for
3 hours discussing possibilities.  We were sober, at least we were by
the end of the three hour period, so some of the ideas (much of which I
can't remember, having overdosed on 'Twin Peaks' that night) should hold
some water.  Some theories exist below.  Come this Saturday we are going
to have a marathon and watch all episodes again.  We plan to have plenty
of joe (hot) and donuts arranged in a dream-like matrix.  "Ready on that
pause button"....

-------

Theory #1, which is ours, and that it is:

   The rock that Dale throws for Leo Johnson, was in fact supposed to be
   the rock thrown for "Jack with one eye", but he incorrectly had that
   entry erased.  Thus the bottle breaks for "Jack with one eye", not
   for Leo.  No rock thrown for Leo.  Leo is probably just a subplot.
   "Jack with one eye" seems to direct one toward the cathouse, but lots
   of things direct one toward the cathouse too, of course.  Thus,
   "Nervous about meeting J", means Laura was nervous about starting
   work at the brothel perhaps.

Postulates:

   We had a lot of other extended ideas and thoughts on the show after
   the 2nd episode (we count the pilot as #0), but still have lots of
   holes in them.  Our analysis of the dream indicates that Mike and Bob
   are/were/will_be from some other world or worlds.  They can exist in
   our world ("magicians"?), and lived above a convenience store, but
   want to go back to their world ("...chance out between two
   worlds...").

   Mike seems to be controlling this dream that Dale is having.  He is
   telling Dale who he is, and he is also showing Dale who Bob is.  He
   is warning Dale about Bob.  The dwarf in the dream may have been
   'struggling' for control of the dream and finally wrestles it away
   from Mike.  The dwarf seems to be in a 'bad' other world, and perhaps
   Bob sacrificed Laura in a ritual to see if she would go to the world
   he wanted to go to (a good world).

   Also, lots of satanic hints we think.  'Lets Rock': religious
   fanatics feel rock is the music of the Devil.  'Backwards': sound and
   video filmed backwards; arms bend back.  'Red': lots of red in the
   curtains and the dwarfs suit.  It appears that maybe Bob is killing
   people in a satanic rite to try to get back to his world.  "the
   magician longs to see, one chance out between two worlds..."

--- glenn, pat and ric

-Message-Text-Follows-
This is a test line, since the server seems to be deleting the first paragraph
of my posts...

And now for the real message: It seems to me that if one's arms "bend back" it
means that one is *double jointed*.  What this actually means is anyone's
guess, but it's yet another doubling image in this show.  I would hasten to
point out to people that the mere fact that something in this show means
something and is really there (ie, not reading too much into things) does not
mean that it has anything at all to do with the actual murder.  There's stuff
going on here beyond the murder mystery.  I think the most brilliant move Lynch
could make would be if he sets it up so that when we figure out who did it,
we'll no longer care, or at least feel no sense of triumph.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Andy Perry; Swarthmore College  AWP92@campus.swarthmore.edu OR AWP92@swarthmr

We look before and after,                  Only in silence, the word;
We pine for what is not.                   Only in darkness, light;
Our sincerest laughter                     Only in dying, life --
With some pain is fraught.                 Bright the hawk's flight
-- Horace Rumpole (no doubt                  on the empty sky.
   quoting someone else...)                -- Ursula K. LeGuin
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Greetings fellow netters, I would like to know if the 
sound tracks to Twin Peaks has been released.  If so
Could someone please post the name of the company that
released it.

Thanks in adance.
Wintermute 
-- I know how to choose them. Big Ed Hurley

Possible important note...In Episode 2 Ed tells Harry that he didn't remember
being slugged by Bobby, and that someone probably drugged him.  In Episode
3 while talking to Norma he says " Bobby sure hit me good."  Did he actually
remember being hit or did he really mean " I guess Bobby sure hit me good."

- Avi
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In article <776@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU> bgingric@intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU (Barry Gingrich) writes:
> >
> >1.  Leo's truck seems to be called the "Big Pussycat."  Picture of a cat
> >on the side with the words.  Is this in reference to the "Kitty" who got
> >a new collar?  Maybe.
> >

Actually It's the Pink Pussycat.  I think it's Lynch's sick sense of 
humor.  Leo is anything BUT a pussycat.  Also the sexual connotations
of Pink Pussy(cat) are obvious.

- Avi
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In article <5mq6H3w161w@darkside.com> harrison@darkside.com (Harrison) writes:
> >jsd@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (Rotund For Success) writes:
> >
>> >> Audrey appears to be right out of the 1940's.  Not all of the cars
>> >> appear to be right up to date (this is true of most of the world, but
>> >> it seemed to be an intentional thing.  note how bobby's car was late
>> >> 60's/early 70's and his character appears to be a mix of 1950's James
>> >> Dean and any generic 1980's psychopath.)
> >
> >I will note that the "timelessness" in Twin Peaks reminds me of the
> >set and background characters from _Batman_.  (No flames, please.)  
> >Anton "Dune" Furst's work on _Batman_ was incredible -- the cars and
> >clothing styles were very 1940's.  However, everything else in the
> >film pointed to modernism, leaving you with a world where fashion never
> >made it past the early 50's.
> >

Lynch also did this, of course, in Blue Velvet.  The stangest example of
it in a recent movie, however, would have to be "Prizzi's Honor."  That
movie is not supposed to be "weird" and yet the setting is a mish-mash
of 40's and 50's technology (look at microphones and cars, not to
mention some attitudes) with 70's decor, 80's fashions, etc.  I always
thought it was supposed to give the piece a sense of timelessness
(rather than like the Godfather which is tied to the 40's).  This may
be precisely the same effect Lynch is after.

Kev
(dakad@caf.mit.edu)

Please forgive me if this has been covered and I
missed it. 

Antlers again (is this a favorite lynch prop?)

Antlers on the sign outside of the Slow Club
Anlters on the wall (or was it stage) of the Slow Club

Rocks & Bottles

Jeffery Beaumont throws stones at a bottle sitting upright
in front of a metal sheet in the field before he discovers
the ear.

Jeffery Beaumont / Dale Cooper / David Lynch

Jeffery LIKES mysteries.

Is Dale Cooper a grown up/mature Jeffery Beaumont?
(name change - Federal Agent Protection Program :-))

I saw an interview with Julee Cruise this evening on
the comedy channel and she mentioned that the Dale
Cooper character is pretty much modeled after David
Lynch in true life.  I believe the quote was: "So normal
he's weird."

--
brad wherry                |  Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; 
wherry@starch.enet.dec.com |     e luce ad tenebras.

In article <1990Apr24.164553.25588@cec1.wustl.edu> sjl8335@cec1.wustl.edu (Scott James Ladewig) writes:
> >
> >In looking at the tape from the last episode, the sign 
> >on the dock at One-Eyed Jack's doesn't show which suit,
> >but it is a red jack looking to the right (don't play
> >cards much so don't know if they all look that way or
> >what).
> > 

The Jack of Hearts is one-eyed and looks to the right.

missie

In article <9004231550.AA14525@gaffa.MIT.EDU>, jsd@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (Hello Polo) writes...

} In article <10517@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:

}} After the three episodes so far, I'm convinced despite his wretched
}} adaptation of DUNE, that Lynch could do a film adaptation of WATCHMEN.

} He could, except that Terry Gilliam is slated to direct the film of
} Watchmen, if the damn thing ever gets going...

Old data. Pay it no mind. Gilliam has been off that project for months.

-- "How different in my native willage. Soft music. Wiolins. The happy people sitting on their balalaikas, playing their samovars." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <54233@microsoft.UUCP>, adamba@microsoft.UUCP (Adam BARR) writes...

} Here's something that I think nobody has mentioned...the sheriff's
} name is Harry S. Truman. I seem to remember that there was a U.S.
} president named Harry S. Truman, sometime in the late 1800's (I
} think??). Is this a coincidence or is Lynch trying to tell us something?

God help us. I knew the state of American education was dismal, but...

Harry S. Truman was President from 1945 to 1952. He was Vice-President
under Franklin Delano Roosevelt and ascended to the Presidency after
FDR's death. Truman was the one who decided to have the atomic bombs
dropped on Japan. His other claim to fame was winning re-election in
1948 after newspapers, convinced that Truman was going to lose, already
printed up papers announcing the victory of Thomas Dewey before the
polls were closed.

Harry S. Truman was also the name of an old gaffer who refused to leave
his home when Mt. St. Helens was about to blow its top, consquently
becoming one with nature, so to speak. It's far more likely that this
is the TP Sheriff's namesake than the President is.

(Well, the Sheriff's parents probably named him after the President,
but Lynch likely gave the character that name because of the volcano
victim.)

-- "How different in my native willage. Soft music. Wiolins. The happy people sitting on their balalaikas, playing their samovars." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

I think they put the subtitles on the dream sequence simply because
after it was shot they realized the average viewer couldn't understand
the backwards/reverse speech.

It could be Wash/Ore or some other inland border.  Remember that Ronette
crossed the state line by walking across a *railroad bridge*.  So the
line could be water.  I think Laura was found on a streambank, not an
ocean beach.

Isn't that a terrific waterfall by the way?

In article <1990Apr25.010412.29450@chinet.chi.il.us> dawn@chinet.chi.il.us (Dawn Hendricks) writes:
> >Sometimes, the best stuff in film is stuff that means
> >ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.  Sometimes, there is NO meaning.  The artist's
> >intention is to laugh hysterically while knowing that millions of
> >folks are straining and losing sleep at night to "find the meaning",
> >insisting that there MUST be some meaning to everything, when
> >there really isn't.  Dada?

I think that's unfair to Lynch.  In numerous interviews he has said that
what he wants is for us to get interested in what's happening and feel
suspense.  For a thriller series this equals wanting us to ENJOY it.
Professionals don't "laugh hysterically" at their audience.  Indeed in
this case there's every evidence Lynch respects his audience greatly.

> >Lynch fans usually sit back and enjoy his work, catching the very
> >silly things that Lynch includes in his "art".  Lynch likes to
> >play with emotions.  He'll offend you and horrify you.  Seconds
> >later, he'll make you laugh.  

I agree with this.  Lynch is a mood master, like a number of great
directors.  What makes him unique is the range of *strange* moods he's
not averse to evoking... including those trademark elusive nightmares.
He's like Lovecraft on Ecstasy.

> >                               Then you feel guilty for laughing
> >because you saw something that horrified you only minutes before.

Um, s/you/I/.

> >Of course, it IS kind of fun trying to figure out the "meaning"
> >to all of this stuff in Twin Peaks, but let's not get carried away?

If posting to the net is all we do, it doesn't qualify as getting
"carried away."  Where else can you have so much fun dissecting a
show in real time, and what else are the recreational alt groups for?

-- "NASA Announces New Deck Chair Arrangement For \_/ Tom Neff Space Station Titanic" -- press release 89-7654 \_/ tneff@bfmny0.UU.NET

In article <13016@venera.isi.edu> schur@venera.isi.edu (Sean Schur) writes:
> > The thing that would break convention to the highest degree
> > would be to not ever solve the mystery.

On the contrary: Did Gilligan ever get off the island?

Remember, Gilligan's Island wasn't about getting off the island, it
was about being stuck there.

Stan Switzer  sjsa@bellcore.com

Don't you think that it's pretty wierd that Cooper wakes from this
supposedly revealing dream/vision and immediately calls and wakes up
HST to inform him that he 'knows who killed LP', only to tell him
to shut and go back to sleep because it can wait until morning? Why
bother calling now if it can wait until morning? The only possible
result of his calling would be to give HST a somewhat sleepless remaining
night. Maybe this is what Cooper wants. Maybe he is suspicious of HST or
someone else from the dream/vision and wants to cause a panic so as to
learn more from their reactions.

Personally I suspect, as many have already mentioned, that the body found
was NOT that of LP. All Cooper knows is that no one killed LP. She is not
dead. Thus we are not going to see any arrests for her murder. Nor does
he know who killed LP2 - the dead body. 

Eli

I assumed that when Cooper called Truman after his dream and said
"I know who killed Laura Palmer--meet me in the morning," Truman said,
"This can't wait 'til morning!"  Why on earth would he have said that
it could?  We're talking about solving a murder here.

So Cooper's response made perfect sense (at least in relation to what
Truman said.  "No, it *can* wait until morning."

Now it's actually a little strange that Cooper thinks it can wait, but
then we've seen that Cooper is a little strange anyway.

In article <5mq6H3w161w@darkside.com> harrison@darkside.com (Harrison) writes:
}>jsd@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (Rotund For Success) writes:
}>
}>I will note that the "timelessness" in Twin Peaks reminds me of the
}>set and background characters from _Batman_.  (No flames, please.)  
}>Anton "Dune" Furst's work on _Batman_ was incredible -- the cars and
}>clothing styles were very 1940's.  However, everything else in the
}>film pointed to modernism, leaving you with a world where fashion never
}>made it past the early 50's.

and (dakad@caf.mit.edu) also writes:
}Lynch also did this, of course, in Blue Velvet.  The stangest example of
}it in a recent movie, however, would have to be "Prizzi's Honor."  That
}movie is not supposed to be "weird" and yet the setting is a mish-mash
}of 40's and 50's technology (look at microphones and cars, not to
}mention some attitudes) with 70's decor, 80's fashions, etc.  I always
}thought it was supposed to give the piece a sense of timelessness
}(rather than like the Godfather which is tied to the 40's).  This may
}be precisely the same effect Lynch is after.

This sort of thing was also used in "The Moderns" (god, I loved that
movie....), but it was really subtle...flash of punks replete with
hugely spiked hair in the cafe, hair styles and clothing at the Met
in NY, etc...it didn't so much supply 'timelessness' in tis case, I don'
think, but rather was a small kick in the brain, a juxtaposition that
gave a brief burst of stimulation...

of course, it's not the same thing in TP, really, so 
forget it!!

ann

In article <5356@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> joe@mathcs.emory.edu (Joe Christy) writes:
> >Maybe Cooper spit out that damn good coffee because it had fish in
> >it and he didn't want the fish planter to know that he was onto them.
> >and maybe the dream was trying to tell us that the series will
> >only make sense when viewed backwards ;)

No, no, no! "Damn good coffee, and HOT too!"
                                   ---
He spit it out because he burned his tounge.

mok@pawl.rpi.edu
-- _ _ _ / ) ) ) / / / / __/_> Eat a pop-tart for Jesus. / ( (_/(_) \ Don't take life too seriously, it isn't permanent.

A thought on rewatching the dream sequence.  The one-armed man says

We lived among the people
I think you say "Convenience Store"
We lived above it
I mean it like it is, and it sounds

What is the biggest chain of convenience stores in the US?  7-11, another
gambling reference.  And in the scene at One-Eyed Jack's, Ben and Jerry
come *up* the stairs into the bordello, implying that the bordello is
above the casino.

Also (this is stretching) Ben and Jerry cross the water at night to
get to One-Eyed Jack's.  Crossing dark water is a common literary
metaphor for falling asleep and dreaming.

I think One-Eyed Jack's will come into play a lot more in the coming weeks.

-paul asente
    asente@decwrl.dec.comdecwrl!asente

She has a birthmark that looks just like a staple.

    Before we go any further, the name is Harry S Truman, not
  Harry S. Truman.  Truman's middle name was only one letter long.
  Thank you.
    <_Jym_>

  P.S.:  And the singer for the Cocteau Twins is Liz Fraser, not
  Frazer.  Thanks again.

I only bring this up because I heard a rumor about evil twins;

Was I the only one to notice that Laura's eyes in the videotape were
blue while evrywhere else they are a definate hazal. 
Also the eyes of that man that Laura's mom keeps having flashbacks
about are that same hazel color as Laura's are(most of the time)



Ilta

Excerpt From the Washington Times, 4/25/90,  Page F3

"I've been brooding for months over the diagnosis by Latin
American novelist Mario Vargas Llosa, ... that capitalism has
the disadvantage of never having generated a mystique
or utopian vision.  Poets and writers want to transcend
reality, says Mr. Vargas, and they despise "mediocrity  ."
Whereas they should tolerate mediocrity because what looks 
mediocre to them has brought us progress.

And it occurs to me that "Twin  Peaks has done a heroic
thing in not only tolerating mediocrity but enshrining it.
I don't know whether this series will succeed in giving America an
informing vision, providing supremely mediocre emotional answers 
for all the spiritual needs of capitalism, but darn, it's made a brave try.

--- Richard Grenier

Another quote from the same editorial:

It's surrealistically mediocre.  The FBI man
tells you he likes cherry pie six times, and you
get this spooky feeling about him and cherry pie.

----------------------

J.b.hofmann so273106@sparko.gwu.edu

In article <4839@scorn.sco.COM> dave@sco.COM (The Cat in the Hat) writes:
> >Funny how now that Laura's mom has controlled her grief (she seemed more
> >in control, anyway) that dad broke down. [...]

OK, I have been laughed at for this idea locally, so I might
as well post it, and be laughed at globally :-) 

... I bet that Laura hid the missing drugs somewhere in
the house, then they got mixed in with the food.  This would
lead to Laura's mom's hallucination in Episode 1 and Laura's
dad's picture-dance in Episode 2.  Remember Laura's mom says
"what is going on in this house?" as if she felt that
something weird was going on...

Mark

"You punks owe me $10,000!  Leo needs a new pair of boots!"

Chris, your theory just won't hold up (that a day passed between the
roadhouse incident and Mike and Bobby's conversation in jail).  Clearly
the guys were thrown in because it was too late to do anything else with
them, and they were questioned (lawyer arrived) and released early the
next morning.  Your way necessitates a whole day, in the middle of a
busy investigation, in which nobody was questioned and nobody did
anything.  Doesn't work.

We clearly DO so far have 1 episode = 1 day, allowing for some overlap
of Night 2 (Saturday) into the start of the next episode.  Look at the
tape again.

Jon

In article <10566@shlump.nac.dec.com> hallyb@globbo.enet.dec.com (John Hallyburton) writes:
> >
> >And just what is the correct line from the dream:
> >
> >"One chance _____ between two worlds"
> >
I played back the tape several times trying to get this after seeing several
versions of it in the postings, and the nearest thing I can come up with was
one of the variations posted:

"One chance *house* between two worlds"

I think that Mike just doesn't quite get the "h" out after the "sss" ending
of "chance".

Steve

"We lived among the people.  I think you say....'convenience store'."

In article <1990Apr17.154025.29075@ucselx.sdsu.edu> mccurdy@ucselx.sdsu.edu (mccurdy m) writes:
:  In article <2363@ariel.unm.edu> sdavey@hydra.unm.edu.UUCP (Sean Davey) writes:
:  >how many necklaces are there?  if the murdered girl's secret boyfriend had
:  >one half, and so did her shrink, and supposedly the FBI knows about it
:  >somehow (they're looking for the other half), that's too many halfs.
:  >Sean
:  
:  
:  I firmly believe that there is only one necklace. Having more than
:  one would serve no purpose in the story/plot. As to who dug it up, with the
:  info we have so far, it is the doctor. That may well change.
:  
I don't buy that at all. The beauty of a well-written detective or
thriller is that clues need *not* be what they appear to be. 

After all, there is no reason why she couldn't have had another heart
necklace and given half to the skrink. (God knows how many signet
rings I have passed out in my career.)


-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-o-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Sandra Jessica Smyth Believer in lost causes toto@tank.uchicago.edu

In article <1990Apr25.182015.10470@cs.rochester.edu> crovella@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Crovella) writes:
}OK, I have been laughed at for this idea locally, so I might
}as well post it, and be laughed at globally :-) 
}
}... I bet that Laura hid the missing drugs somewhere in
}the house, then they got mixed in with the food.  This would
}lead to Laura's mom's hallucination in Episode 1 and Laura's
}dad's picture-dance in Episode 2.  Remember Laura's mom says

ok. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
why why why do people keep suggesting a connection with cocaine
and hallucinations?  Cocaine is NOT a hallucinogen.  (Unless
you have some weird story that I'd be more than happy to
listen to...but doubtful.)

}

}"You punks owe me $10,000!  Leo needs a new pair of boots!"
     ^^^^^

shoes.

ann

In article <1990Apr23.191742.5089@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> wchsieh@athena.mit.edu (Wilson Hsieh) writes:
}
}However, before Donna and James bury his half of the heart (I, for one, believe
}there is only one), she asks him where his half of "the heart that you
}gave Laura"
}is.  It is unlikely that he gave her a heart because of any knowledge of
}One-Eyed
}Jacks.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but Laura gave half of the heart to James, 
not the other way around.  And someone posted (thank you) that 
according to a deck of cards, the Jack on the sign is indeed the
jack of hearts.  connection?  who knows.

but also (as I have mentioned before, and have other people), there
COULD be more than one pendant, because Laura may have
distributed them freely...

ann

In article <15410@bfmny0.UU.NET> tneff@bfmny0.UU.NET (Tom Neff) writes:
> >It could be Wash/Ore or some other inland border.  Remember that Ronette

No it can't be, since Ben and Jerry were able to take a quick boat ride up
to Canada to visit One Eyed Jack's.  So it has to be near Canada.  

Is it just me, but during the opening credits they show several things, 
the last being a slow moving river.  I keep getting the impression that
there is something floating in that river, just under the surface.  As
it looks on my tapes it is reddish-but so is practically everything else.

Siobahn (Shabang) Morgan
thebang@blake.acs.washington.edu

Lucy remains one of the few important characters to have remained,
seemingly, comic relief/extra only...  Everyone else fits into
some strange thread.  I was going to make the prediction that 
tomorrow night, we find out some dark secret of Lucy's BUT...

perhaps we already have.

Anyone else think "The New Girl" looked anything like 
Lucy all made up?

In the words of Agent Cooper...
"...and HOT too!"

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In article <300@sunee.waterloo.edu> abelinsk@sunee.waterloo.edu (Avi Belinsky) writes:
<In article <776@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU> bgingric@intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU (Barry Gingrich) writes:
<>
<>1.  Leo's truck seems to be called the "Big Pussycat."  
<
<Actually It's the Pink Pussycat.  

No, it IS Big Pussycat (phone: 555-6315 -- his company phone I guess).

Jan BielawskiInternet:jbielawski@ucsd.edu
Bitnet:jbielawski@ucsd.bitnet
Dept. of MathUUCP:jbielawski@ucsd.uucp
UCSD  ( {ucsd,sdcsvax}!{igrad1,sdcc6}!ma299ai )

In article coth@blake.acs.washington.edu (J. Steven Cothern) writes:
> >In article hallyb@globbo.enet.dec.com (John Hallyburton) writes:
>> >>
>> >>And just what is the correct line from the dream:
>> >>
>> >>"One chance _____ between two worlds"
>> >>
> >I played back the tape several times trying to get this after seeing several
> >versions of it in the postings, and the nearest thing I can come up with was
> >one of the variations posted:
> >
> >"One chance *house* between two worlds"

I.e. a casino on the U.S./Canadian border.

Makes sense to me. (Like that means anything).



--
Tim Shippert                                 shippert@tybalt.caltech.edu
Persons attempting to find a motive in this post will be prosecuted;
persons attempting to find a moral in it will be banished; persons
attempting to find a point in it will be shot.  -M. Twain (paraphrased)

In article <15410@bfmny0.UU.NET>, tneff@bfmny0.UU.NET (Tom Neff) writes:
[and others write similar opinions...]

> > It could be Wash/Ore or some other inland border.  Remember that Ronette
> > crossed the state line by walking across a *railroad bridge*.  So the
> > line could be water.  I think Laura was found on a streambank, not an
> > ocean beach.

Speaking from 9 years of living on Puget Sound, I'm a bit
surprised by the river/lake speculation;  finding Laura's
body was definitely filmed on Puget Sound.  If you're not
familiar with northwestern Washington, the Sound might best
be described as a very large inlet of the ocean.

"Beaches" in this area tend to be rocky and look a lot like
the one that was lying beneath Laura's body.  The shoreline
tends to be irregular, with lots of small inlets, bays, and
islands.  It's fairly natural to look across salt water
toward another shore.  Land rises fairly abruptly from the
edge of the water into hills that aren't quite big enough
to call mountains.  A few miles east the hills become the
Cascade Mountains.

BTW, when I lived there the beaches did tend to be strewn
with kelp, driftwood, assorted shells, sand dollars, starfish,
and various other stuff.  While being a bit inattentive I once
nearly stepped on a small dead shark.


As for the border in question, there would seem to be 3
possibilities:

    1.It's purely fictional and need not correspond to
any real border.

    2.  It's the Canadian border.  This area is north of
Puget sound, with Vancouver Island to the west, and
what I've seen of it has much the same sort of geography.
It even has a "Single Peak" -- Mount Baker -- as a
distant landmark.

    3.It's the Oregon border.  If we accept that Laura was
found on an ocean beach, this seems less likely.  The
Columbia River is VERY wide where it approaches the coast
and carries ship traffic between the ocean and Portland.


----------------
Paul Raveling
Raveling@isi.edu

I have asked several suit-wearing colleagues/friends this
week whether they were following ^twin peaks^.  If they
said yes, after digging a little deeper, I found that several
thought installment #3 went a bit too far.

I wonder if the out-and-out weirdness of [especially the dream
scene] of ^ t p III ^ may have turned off a few of the mildly
curious.  One man's coffee is another man's decaf.  I'm curious
to see if there'll be a drop off for episode IV.

Of course, the bombshell at the end ("It can wait till morning")
will probably have a positive effect (they didn't even BOTHER to
do coming attractions this time), so we may not witness much of a
drop.  But I think there'll be one.  Hope I'm wrong. 

SUGGESTED DAVID LYNCH READING:

"Cinefantastique" (one of those glossy-paper, somewhat expensive
mags did a great special Lynch issue around the time of Dune. 
Half of it is about Dune, and the other half is about Eraserhead.
Highly recommended. 

---------------------------------twenty six hours, twenty minutes 
---------------------------------till  ^ twin peaks IV ^

-------------------------------------^-^-------------------------------

Now, wait just a minute.  *President* Harry S Truman's middle name was S.
We don't know what Sheriff Truman's middle name is.  I think it's assuming
too much to think his middle name is S too.

Incidentally, every time someone writes HST I read "Hubble Space Telescope."
I guess that's my problem.

In article <9004252053.AA06797@cds709.noble.com> phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel) writes:
>> >>If the real one armed man is truly left armed only this is VERY SIGNIFICANT.
> >
> >And I wonder whether the dwarf (or midget?) represents a real character?
> >He introduces the dream Laura as his niece, and I suspect some real or
> >symbolic relationship with Audrey Horne: they both have an intense
> >fascination with the music.
> >
> >-Pete Zakel
> > (phz@cadence.com or ..!{hpda,versatc,apollo,ucbcad,uunet}!cadence!phz)

I like the Audrey=dwarf deal but I'm still thinking up a reasonable
connection. It could explain the "she's my cousin" line : maybe Laura
was Jerry's daughter!!

Eli

In article <8936@tank.uchicago.edu> toto@tank.uchicago.edu (Sandra Jessica Smyth) writes:
> >In article <1990Apr17.154025.29075@ucselx.sdsu.edu> mccurdy@ucselx.sdsu.edu (mccurdy m) writes:
> >:  In article <2363@ariel.unm.edu> sdavey@hydra.unm.edu.UUCP (Sean Davey) writes:
> >:  >how many necklaces are there?

> >:  I firmly believe that there is only one necklace.

> >I don't buy that at all...
> > ... there is no reason why she couldn't have had another heart
> >necklace and given half to the skrink.

THERE IS ONLY ONE NECKLACE.

When Donna and James are in the forest, Donna says "They have the
necklace you gave to Laura."  Repeat:  James gave the necklace to
Laura.  This is in keeping with his "sweet" character.

James would not buy more than one necklace.  Laura would not buy such
a "sweet" thing at all.

Adam

"Do you know why I'm so happy?"
"Because your skin is so soft and you smell so good?"

". . . right now I can only take so much sweet . . ."

In article <something> (someone) writes:
>> >>"One chance *house* between two worlds"

I heard this as "One chants out between two worlds, Fire, walk with me"

Adam

1) This is the blurb about this week's episode from the local paper's
TV Times:

"The townsfolk gather for Laura Palmer's funeral; Cooper ponders
his dream about the killer; Truman tells Cooper about the Bookhouse
boys".

Nothing in there about revealing da moiderer. Well, since my current
theory is that Laura Palmer faked her own death I'm not worried, but
who wants to bet that Cooper just slimes out of telling Truman anything?

The Bookhouse Boys have been mentioned before...can anyone remember??



OK, I'm easy. When Ed Hurley is picking James up at the jail, as they
are leaving James says something like "I'll have to be careful for a
while, we may have to call the Bookhouse Boys" and his uncle says
"already taken care of".

2) I think it's correct that Leo threw the football at the hood of the
car. It might be clearer if we can hear what Mike said to Bobby right
at that point, but I couldn't understand it. Anyone? Also, when they
are talking in the woods Leo says "Laura was a wild girl" and Bobby
says "Yeah, tell me about it", and Leo says "maybe....someday". I
guess we already know that Leo was selling coke that Laura was using
etc, but since Bobby also knew that there must be something even more
sinister that Laura and Leo were involved in.

3) On the front page of this week's Sun (the tabloid), there is the
headline "Twin Peaks murderer revealed". The article has this big thing
about "don't read this if you want to keep the suspense" etc, but all
it says is that the Sun managed to obtain a copy of the European
version (no wonder they pay their operatives so much) and they describe
what happened in it.

4) On the 4/19 show on KOMO in Seattle, about 15 minutes before the end
there was a little "newsbreak" and the story was "missing person mystery
in the Snohomish river". How strange.


Guess what I had last night...yes, a baguette with brie and butter. Mmmmmf.


- Adam Barr               {uunet,uw-beaver}!microsoft!adamba

> > Of course, the reason is that cops work odd hours, and donut
> > shops are typically 24-hour establishments.

    And they serve coffee, which is crucial.
    <_Jym_>

>> >>And just what is the correct line from the dream:
>> >>
>> >>"One chance _____ between two worlds"
>> >>

Interesting is this account from the New York Times of April 8th:

"But the first Lynch-Frost venture, "The Lamurians," about a squad of
detectives who root out an infiltration of alien beings, never saw the
light of the screen. NBC [boooo, hissss - wwd] which had hired them to
develop the idea, decided not to commission a pilot."

So I suggest that there might be elements from this old project in
"Twin Peaks"; perhaps instead of infiltration from another place,
it is infiltration from another time...

I cross-posted to rec.arts.sf-lovers, not merely because it is in my
perverse nature to do so, but hoping that someone frequenting a `con'
might have come across some further information about this failed
project of Lynch and Frost, "The Lamurians". Any drafts, etc. ?

In article <218@beguine.UUCP>, Robert.Berry@samba.acs.unc.edu (BBS
Account) writes:
> > Now, wait just a minute.  *President* Harry S Truman's middle name was S.
> > We don't know what Sheriff Truman's middle name is.  I think it's assuming
> > too much to think his middle name is S too.

Could we be assuming too much by referring to HST the
President?  How about the Harry S. Truman who insisted
on staying at his Spirit Lake home until he died in
the eruption of Mt. St. Helens?


----------------
Paul Raveling
Raveling@isi.edu