Season 1, Episode 04: The One-Armed Man — May 03–09, 1990

In article <13289@venera.isi.edu>, raveling@isi.edu (Paul Raveling) writes...

} Did anyone notice if they said it was a local boating accident? He
} might possibly have been off cruising someplace like the San Juan Islands.

True, but the impression given is that Josie (a) is not convinced that it
was an accident, and (b) that Catherine Martell and Ben Horne had something
to do with it. That's why she's afraid of being killed as well. Josie's
fears make more sense if the boating incident happened locally.

-- "I've got compassion running outta my nose, pal. I'm the sultan of sentiment." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <2341@media-lab.MEDIA.MIT.EDU>, adamk@media-lab.MEDIA.MIT.EDU (Adam Kao) writes...

} Now consider writing "Kitty got a new collar" on a diary page which
} appears on camera. Someone gave the opinion that this was a red herring,
} designed to confuse us and hence unrelated to the plot. In other words,
} it was a throw away line which we would have been better off not seeing.

} That would be no fun.

You're right, it would be no fun.

However, you also grossly misinterpreted what I said. I never said -- nor
do I believe -- that it was a "throw away line which we would have been
better off not seeing". I also do not believe that this is the definition
of "red herring".

A red herring is an element introduced into the story to deliberately
make us travel down a garden path toward an erroneous solution. It's a
perfectly legitimate construction in the mystery story. It's not a cheat
because the creator is *not* telling us it's a relevant element, but
only presenting it in a way so that some of his audience will *think*
it's relevant. It's a literary form of what stage magicians do -- they
distract the audience's collective eye from what he's doing by leading
their attention elsewhere.

For me, the fun is not so much interpreting the clues, but *figuring out
what are real clues and what are not*. Red herrings are the way to go
about having this sort of fun.

-- "I've got compassion running outta my nose, pal. I'm the sultan of sentiment." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

yackel@tilsit.cs.wisc.edu (Jonathan Yackel) writes:

|In article <10498@yunexus.UUCP> logan@yunexus.UUCP (Beryl Logan) writes:
|>hypothesis, or did he just say he knew who the killer was.  As I
|>recall, he [Cooper] was very off-hand at breakfast about telling Harry and Lucy
|>that he forgot who it was, almost as if it didn't matter.  Seems odd
|>that he forgot, first if he now knew the killer's identity, would he
|>be able to fall back to sleep so easily? 

|Cooper said he forgot the killers' identity, but he's lying.
|He actually remembers who the killer is but he needs to 
|collect more evidence before he makes an arrest.  He can't tell
|the sheriff because 
|a) The sheriff is the killer,  or
|b) he simply doesn't want the information to leak out
|--

Then why call HST in the middle of the night to tell him he knows who
the killer is?

|Well, I checked my VCR, and I say she isn't. Besides, she seems to work
|24 hours a day at the police station. How can she possibly turn tricks
|on the side, too? :-)

If she's anything like Laura.....  Laura tutored Josie and Johnny,
delivered meals on wheels, went to school, did cocaine, had several
boyfriends, maybe worked at One Eyed Jacks, worked at the perfume
counter...........

In article <UaEMJ9K00jukQTW2Fz@cs.cmu.edu>, Jon.Webb@CS.CMU.EDU writes...

} I thought the direction of the 5/3 episode was the worst yet.

Nah, it was better than Tina Rathbourne's episode.

} E.g., the shot of dead Bernie -- what was going on there?  Did Leo kill
} him or not?  Was he really lying there?

I don't understand the confusion. Leo points to the wrapped up corpse,
and says, "There's Bernard."  Ben asks if Bernard ratted on Leo. Leo
said, "I told him I'd kill him if he did."  Ben then asks, "Well, did
he?" (rightly assuming, of course, that Bernard must've ratted if he's
now dead)  Leo replied, "No, but he shouldn't have trusted me."

My impression is that Leo killed him to make sure that he didn't rat on
him in the future. What Bernard "trusted" in Leo about was in assuming
that Leo *wouldn't* kill him if he didn't squeal.

} Cooper seemed like a different person, etc.

Actually, I think he was a little up from last week. I think that his
character is growing more serious because he's now more settled in at
Twin Peaks, and is getting more on the case now.

} It seems to me that Cooper should have been smart enough to have
} someone waiting behind Bernie's apartment in case he tried to escape.

That's Jacques. That's what my housemate kept saying, too.

} It seems pretty clear that Norma's husband is the person Sarah and
} Cooper saw in their dream.

Why?  For one, Hank doesn't have long hair. For two, none of the cops, on
looking at Andy's sketch, said, "Gee, this looks kinda like Hank Jennings."
For three, two different actors are listed in the credits for Killer Bob
and Hank Jennings.

-- "I've got compassion running outta my nose, pal. I'm the sultan of sentiment." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

 1. The hand that dug up the locket was gloved, I think.  Gloves are often
used (in TV and movies) to hide gender.  It may be rash to assume that
the digger was male.

 2. Leo never directly admitted to killing Bernard.  Where did we last
seen him?  Bound in a chair at the Bookhouse.  It may be rash to assume
that the B-Boys are as lily white as they come on.

 3. Style note - let's not kid ourselves, Cooper hasn't been acting as
geeky lately because these other, mere mortal TV directors aren't as
weird as Lynch and don't direct KMcL to do so.  They're probably
also interested in establishing their own tone, which is their right.
It's mostly tame by Lynch standards, but by average TV standards I
think this is some *damn fine* directing!

by the way I was at a restaurant last night and they had Snoqualmie
Semillon as one of their wines.  I ordered a glass and asked the
waiter if I could get a slice of cherry pie with it.  He looked at
me funny.  (Nothing new there.) :-)

05 Feb (Sunday)
   -- "Day One" (entry in Laura's diary). Day One of what? Laura and
      James' relationship is my guess. During Cooper's questioning of
      James, he asked what happened on 2/5, and James flashed back on
      the time he gave Laura the locket.

12 Feb (Sunday)
   -- The picnic (James told Cooper that it was "two Sundays ago").

23 Feb (Thursday)

   05:00 PM (Josie to Cooper and Truman)
   -- Laura arrives at Josie Packard's for Josie's English lessons.
      Josie says that Laura left an hour later.

   Sometime after dinner
   -- Last entry in Laura's diary: "Nervous about meeting J. tonight."
      (After dinner because she remarks about having asparagus for
      dinner again.)

   09:00-9:30
   -- Laura returns home from Bobby's house. (Sarah Palmer tells Truman
      that she last saw Laura when she got home about 9:00. Bobby answers
      yes when Cooper asks him, "She was studying at your house until
      about 9:30. Isn't that right?")

   09:30
   -- Laura snuck out of her house (James to Cooper).

   12:30
   -- Laura jumps off James' bike and runs off (James to Cooper).

   12:00-04:00 (AM)
   -- Estimated time of Laura's death according to the preliminary autopsy.

24 Feb (Friday)  [Episode #0 (pilot) - 4/8]

   "Just after dawn" (Harry to Bobby)
   -- Pete Martell finds Laura's body.
   -- Ben and Leland have meeting with Norwegians.
   -- Bobby takes Shelly home, then goes to school and is arrested.

   Mid-morning(?)
   -- Ronnette announced as missing, then found wandering along tracks.
   -- Nadine sends Big Ed off to get the drapes ("They said those drapes
      would be ready by 10.")

   11:30 (Cooper to Diane)
   -- Cooper enters Twin Peaks.

   Noon/early afternoon
   -- Cooper & Truman check on Ronnette, then Laura.
   -- C&T look through Laura's diary.
   -- Andy and team find the train car.
   -- C&T question Bobby, then Donna.

   04:00 (approx)
   -- "The Norwegians are leaving!" (one of Ben's employees tells concierge
      that Ben would be back at 4:00 for the final signing of the deal with
      the Norwegians, and Ben arrives as the Norwegians are leaving)

   04:10 (Cooper to Diane)
   -- C&T at the train car.

   Early evening
   -- Town meeting where Cooper addresses the community leaders.

   09:30 (approx)
   -- Donna sneaks out to meet James at the Roadhouse. Big Ed to meet Norma
      there as well. Fight breaks out, Joey Paulsen takes Donna to meet
      James. J&D bury the locket. James is arrested.

   12:28 AM (Cooper to Diane)
   -- Cooper knocks off for the night. Harry goes to see Josie. Locket is
      dug up by Person Unknown

25 Feb (Saturday)  [Episode #1 - 4/12]

   06:18 (Cooper to Diane)
   -- Cooper is up and goes to breakfast, where he meets Audrey.

   Early to mid-morning
   -- C&T get autopsy results from Dr. Hayward.
   -- Shelly discovers Leo's shirt is soaked with blood just before going
      to work.
   -- C&T question James.
   -- Mike & Bobby talk in jail cell (Leo called Mike "yesterday" and Bobby
      met with Leo "the night Laura died").
   -- Cooper gets call from Albert, Harry & Ed discuss the "stakeout".
   -- James released into Ed's custody, Mike and Bobby released.

   "Just barely morning" (Pete to Josie)
   -- C&T talk to Josie.
   -- Catherine & Ben have a rendezvous.

   Afternoon
   -- Donna visits Palmers and Sarah has vision of Killer Bob.

   Late afternoon/early evening (exterior shot is dark)
   -- Hawk questions Pulaskis, spots One-Armed Man.
   -- Bobby and Major Briggs have words over dinner
   -- C&T encounter Log Lady at RR.

   Later in evening
   -- Shelly gets home, gets beaten by Leo.
   -- James has dinner at Haywards'.
   -- Jacoby listens to tape from Laura, takes out the half of the locket
      buried by James & Donna.

   Evening (continued)  [Episode #2 - 4/19]
   -- Jerry Horne gets back from Paris. He and Ben go to One-Eyed Jack's.

   Midnight (clock at Haywards')
   -- James & Donna have their heart-to-heart.
   -- Hawk calls Cooper.
   -- Audrey slips note under Cooper's door.
   -- Bobby & Mike meet with Leo in the woods.

26 Feb (Sunday)  [still Episode #2]

   Morning
   -- Ed drops grease on Nadine's drape runners. Nadine's arms bend back.
   -- Cooper teaches Harry, Hawk, Andy, & Lucy about Tibet.
   -- Shelly turns off "Invitation to Love" (a soap opera on Sunday
      morning?!) and Bobby comes visiting.

   Late morning (after church)
   -- Haywards meet Audrey in the RR.

   Afternoon ("Are we going to have to stand here all afternoon?" Albert
              to Lucy)
   -- Albert and team arrives

   Night
   -- Nadine ecstatic about her now-silent runners.
   -- Pete & Catherine talk. Pete sneaks safe key to Josie.
   -- Josie finds two ledgers in safe.
   -- Leland has breakdown to the strains of Glen Miller.
   -- Cooper dreams of dancing dwarves and doppelgangers.

27 Feb (Monday)  [Episode #3 - 4/26]

   7:15 (Cooper to Diane)
   -- Cooper meets with Audrey over breakfast, then tells Harry & Lucy
      about his dream.

   Mid to late morning(?)
   -- Cousin Madeleine arrives.
   -- Norma is told of Hank's pending parole.
   -- C&T talk to Leo.
   -- Bobby and father have words again.

   12:27 (Cooper to Diane)
   -- C&T leave for funeral after listening to Albert's autopsy report.
   -- Ed & Nadine have quiet moment, James declines to go to funeral.
   -- Audrey checks on her family through a peephole.

   Early afternoon
   -- Laura's funeral. James and Bobby fight. Leland freaks out.

   Evening
   -- Shelly demonstrates Leland's coffin ride.
   -- Cooper meets the Bookhouse Boys, and they question Bernard Renault
      at the Bookhouse.
   -- Jacques calls Leo for help.
   -- Catherine eavesdrops on Josie & Harry. Josie shows Harry the safe,
      but one of the ledgers is missing -- Catherine has the other one.
   -- Cooper meets Jacoby at the cemetary, then meets Hawk at the Roadhouse.
      The two of them take a drunken Leland home.

28 Feb (Tuesday)  [Episode #4 - 5/3]

   Day (there's no convenient times of day mentioned to assign to events)
   -- Andy sketches Killer Bob from Sarah Palmer's description. Sarah
      then describes her vision of a someone digging up the necklace.
   -- Cooper questions Jacoby
   -- Hawk tracks down the One-Armed Man to Timber Falls Motel, where at
      the same time, Ben and Catherine are having a rendezvous. Josie is
      there, staking out B&C.
   -- Cooper and the boys arrive and question Mike Gerard (One-Armed Man).
   -- Audrey gets Donna to agree to help her solve the mystery of Laura's
      murder.
   -- Norma goes to husband Hank's parole meeting.
   -- Cooper's and the boys visit the Lydecker Clinic and confiscate files.
   -- Bobby has rendezvous with Shelly, and she gives him Leo's bloody shirt.
   -- Cooper, Harry, Hawk, and Andy practice in the shooting range.

   Late afternoon/early evening
   -- James runs into Madeleine Ferguson at the RR diner.
   -- Norma gets a call from the prison -- Hank is being paroled.
   -- Ben talks to Jerry about some Icelanders, and then Audrey talks to
      Ben about learning the family business by starting work at the
      department store.
   -- A fax arrives from Albert with a reconstruction of the plastic piece
      found in Laura's stomach. Andy comes across the file on Waldo, a
      mynah bird belonging to Jacques Renault. The cops race to Jacques
      apartment. They find Leo's bloody shirt there, planted by Bobby.

   Evening
   -- Ben meets Leo by the river and they make plans about setting fire
      to the Mill./
   -- James and Donna go to where they buried the necklace and find it
      missing.
   -- Pete chats with Josie, then retires. She gets call from Hank Jennings.

-- "I've got compassion running outta my nose, pal. I'm the sultan of sentiment." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <10846@shlump.nac.dec.com>, boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy)
writes:
}} 16) When a motorcycle rides up to Ed/Nadine's house, Ed says it's James.
}} Nadine says "James who?" How can she forget? Is there another bike-riding
}} James?
}
} No, she's just being flakey.

Question:  Have we EVER seen Nadine and James together?  I know Ed has said on
occasion that James is his nephew (?) who is staying with him because his
parents had died (? - I sure hope I'm not embarrassing myself TOO much...),
but have we ever seen Nadine and James in close physical proximity in such a
way that it could be genuinely absolutely concluded that James DOES live there,
or could Ed's story about James be a cover for something deeper?  If the
latter, this would explain Nadine's not knowing who James was, as opposed to
the simpler explanation "She's a looney."

Just wondering...
--
"A new religion that'll bring you to your knees, Black Velvet if you please..."
Rich Rosenrlr@toccata.rutgers.edu
--

In article <UaEoU_G00Vsn0=ymYP@andrew.cmu.edu>, bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu
(Robert Steven Glickstein) writes:
> > Possible second Jacoby clue:  When Cooper awakes from his dream in
> > episode (pilot + 3), he is snapping in time to his dream's music.  The
> > manner and rate of his snapping is very reminiscent of the way the Jets
> > snap their fingers in West Side Story.  And, of course, Russ Tamblyn
> > (Dr. Jacoby) played the Jets' leader, Riff.

This would also implicate Ben Horne, since Richard Beymer (the actor who plays
Ben Horne) played Tony in West Side Story.  So maybe my idea about there being
two competing secret societies/gangs wasn't so far off after all.  Imagine,
Leo as Bernardo, Bobby as Chino, Laura as Maria, Audrey as Anita, Cooper as
Officer Krupke, yeah, it's all starting to make sense now...
--
"Tonight, tonight, won't be just any night, tonight there dsks jsdhk udsuhe...
 (REMAINDER UNINTELLIGIBLE AS TONY HAS A BAGUETTE IN HIS MOUTH) "
-- or --
"Gee, Deputy Andy, you're really a clown, your gun goes off whenever you drop
 it on the ground..."Rich Rosenrlr@toccata.rutgers.edu
--

In article <10848@shlump.nac.dec.com>, boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy)
writes:
> > } The very next line from Adam's article said something to the effect
> > } that "Also significant is the fact that 'Twin Peaks' and 'David Lynch'
> > } have the same number of letters... well, almost... I think this is VERY
> > } significant..."  Always check that parody bit, you know, before aiming
> > } and firing. :-)
> > 
> > What I noticed was after these two little bits was "but seriously..."
> > However, if the Truman bit was meant as a joke, the "sometime in the
> > late 1800's" part was excessive and unnecessary. If he'd left that out,
> > I would've taken the remark as a joke.

I see your point.  I would consider any date prior to 1907 to be excessive and
unnecessary, too.

Good thing we're not taking this too seriously... :-)
--
"I don't think what we're doing is wrong.""Why not?"
Rich Rosenrlr@toccata.rutgers.edu
--

The trailer for this week's episode has the log talking.  The log lady
may well turn out to be one of the people in the woods. There may be
more.
Bob
 


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Horrible thought...We are being set up for a one-liner to end the show:

   The bird did it, but got off because he was only a myna.

 Did you notice though, that when Cooper asked him how he lost his arm,
 he said something like, "in a car accident, I was going from (some state)
 to. . .", he seems to remember where he started his fatefull trip but 
 doesn't seem to remember where he was headed, wouldn't a person remember
 details of something so traumatic as loosing an arm?

 John C.

    >> I thought the direction of the 5/3 episode was the worst yet.  
    >>Jon Webb

  > I dunno.  I thought the direction was pretty good this time around.  Best of
  > the non-Lynch directed ones, in my opinion.  
  >Barry Gingrich
    
Re: Tim Burton; 
  I agree with Barry. The director of episode 4[0] (5/3) was Tim Burton, of Batman
  and Beetlejuice. Good weird camera angles and surreal surgical lighting: the scene
  where the lawmen ran up the outside steps of Jacques's apartment could have been
  done by a Lynch understudy.

Re: llamas:
  Llamas sniff peoples' breath to identify them. Dogs sniff private parts, llamas
  sniff mouths. That's what Dolly the llama was doing in the satanic vet's office.
  Bet it wasn't hard to get her to play her part; as a previous poster noted, the
  hard part was keeping HSTruman's face straight. (He *almost* manages it.)

Re: Ghostwood:
  As Norma and Shelly's scene in the RR opens, the camera pans from a large model
  soft-serve ice cream cone past the milk dispenser. On the side are stuck two
  crude posters that read "Say NO to Ghostwood." Ghostwood is the name of the
  Horne brothers' development project; there seems to be an underground resistance
  campaign going on.
  
  Could the project's name be a reference to the "ancient evil in the woods?" Must
  be a well-known local legend.

Quotes:
  "Thanks, Toad. I'll be sure to get this into my retirement fund A-S-A-P."
  (Norma to departing customer, re: his tip; spoken in measured cadence)

  "We're gonna be the knockouts of the double-R!"
  (Norma to Shelly)

--Keith Dawson
dawson@apollo.hp.com

* 1. The hand that dug up the locket was gloved, I think.  Gloves are often
*used (in TV and movies) to hide gender.  It may be rash to assume that
*the digger was male.

thanks Tom!  I was wondering when someone would pick that up....

-dave

> >In article <7333@accuvax.nwu.edu> magik@norby.acns.nwu.edu (Jeff Williamson) writes:
> >Funny, when I was watching the dream sequence episode--number 3?--I thought
> >that the old Cooper (from the dream) looked like Ronald Reagan...

That's wierd.  I was immediately struck by the fact that he looked alot
like John F. Kennedy in profile (or in "Profiles In Courage" ).

Larry "what do you know, Henry ... oh, not much of anything" Weinberg
-- Larry Weinberg Rhythm & Hues, Inc. INTERNET: celia!charlie@usc.edu celia!charlie@tis.llnl.gov UUCP: ...{ames,hplabs}!lll-tis!celia!charlie We can't all, and some of us don't. That's all there is to it. -- Eeyore

In article <22554@bellcore.bellcore.com>, sjs@roland.ctt.bellcore.com (Stan Switzer) writes:
> > In article <13016@venera.isi.edu> schur@venera.isi.edu (Sean Schur) writes:
>> > > The thing that would break convention to the highest degree
>> > > would be to not ever solve the mystery.
> > 
> > On the contrary: Did Gilligan ever get off the island?

Yes.  In the (I think) second movie after the series.

On a tangent, I heard that the phrase "vast wasteland" was coined by
Newton Minnow, the then chairman of the FCC.  Could the choice of the
name "Minnow" for the boat have been a sort of in-joke?

Robert Perlberg
Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York
{dasys1 | philabs | chuo}!step!perl
-- "I am not a language ... I am a free man!"

Another thought on the gloved hand:

  If the person picking up the necklace was not Dr. Jacoby, then
  my guess is that it was the Log Lady.

  She was probably just out taking her log for a walk.

  She MUST be a patient of Dr. Jacoby, and might have just given him 
  the necklace.

Larry "bump on a log" Weinberg

-- Larry Weinberg Rhythm & Hues, Inc. INTERNET: celia!charlie@usc.edu celia!charlie@tis.llnl.gov UUCP: ...{ames,hplabs}!lll-tis!celia!charlie We can't all, and some of us don't. That's all there is to it. -- Eeyore

In article <May.6.16.10.29.1990.4628@revenge.rutgers.edu> trudel@revenge.rutgers.edu (Jonathan D.) writes:
> >
> >Either that, or Lucy saw him at One-Eyed Jacks while she
> >was working undercover there, and is quite perturbed.

When exactly was Lucy "working undercover" at Jacks??? Or are you musing
about the possibility? I do confess that when Benjamin went there I 
had a fleeting thought that the "new girl" was Lucy, but I decided
it wasn't her. <WAS IT HER???>


Also - Does anyone know/think they know just what Benjamin meant when
(in his clandestine meeting with Leo, where we see dead Bernie)
he said, "Hank said you were a master..." 

Is it possible that Josie hired Hank to knock off Mr. Packard??? That would
at least lend some explanation for the domino picture/phone call that Josie
got from Hank...

God, this is a *damn* good show!
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In article <308@sunee.waterloo.edu>, abelinsk@sunee.waterloo.edu (Avi Belinsky) writes:
> > 4) When Albert gets hit by Truman he lands face first lying down on
> >    Laura and he says "How appropriate!"  What does Albert mean?

I think he was just referring to Truman hitting him.  He was being
sarcastic and meant that Truman's actions where not appropriate, but no
more than he would expect from the people around there.

Robert Perlberg
Dean Witter Reynolds Inc., New York
{dasys1 | philabs | chuo}!step!perl
-- "I am not a language ... I am a free man!"

My nomination for top quote in the 5/3 episode goes to the One-Armed Man,
after being shown the police sketch of "Killer Bob" drawn from Mrs. Palmer's
vision, and being asked if he knows him:

"I've never seen that man before in my life. But you know,
 he kinda looks like somebody, doesn't he?"

Having read requests from some readers for an updated cast list for TWIN
PEAKS, I am happy to oblige.
  This is mostly new characters.  Some that are one-shots so far (like
Jerry Horne) may not return, but you never know.  We have learned a
couple more names--Andy's surname, and the one-armed man's middle and
last (but not his first!--and of course it may be a false name).  But
still no last name for Mike, no first name for the Major.  Several minor
roles were recast after the pilot film (I assume some lapse of time, and
it wasn't worth rounding up all the original bit players); hence the
listing of two actors for some roles.  I have NO idea why Mrs. Pulaski
changed her first name!

                            TWIN PEAKS

FBI Special Agent Dale Cooper                       Kyle MacLachlan
Sheriff Harry S. Truman                             Michael Ontkean
                               -----
Jocelyn ("Josie") Packard, from Hong Kong;
  inherited Packard Sawmill from husband Andrew;
  seeing Sheriff Truman                                   Joan Chen
Catherine Martell, Andrew's sister;
  secretly involved with Benjamin Horne                Piper Laurie
Pete Martell, Catherine's husband;
  he found Laura's body                                  Jack Nance

Benjamin Horne, real-estate developer;
  owns the Great Northern Hotel                      Richard Beymer
Sylvia Horne, his wife                                   Jan D'Arcy
Audrey Horne, their spoiled daughter                  Sherilyn Fenn
Johnny Horne, their disturbed son   Robert Davenport / Robert Bauer
Jerry Horne, Benjamin's brother                 David Patrick Kelly

Leland Palmer, associate of Benjamin Horne                 Ray Wise
Sarah Palmer, his wife                              Grace Zabriskie
Laura Palmer, their daughter;
  mysteriously murdered                                  Sheryl Lee
Madeleine Ferguson, Laura's cousin                       Sheryl Lee

Bobby Briggs ("Bopper"), involved with
  Laura Palmer (& secretly Shelly)                    Dana Ashbrook
Elizabeth Briggs, his mother                      Charlotte Stewart
Major Briggs, Bobby's father                              Don Davis
Mike ("Snake"), Bobby's friend                     Gary Hershberger

Norma Jennings, owner of the Double R Diner            Peggy Lipton
Hank Jennings, her imprisoned husband                  Chris Mulkey

Shelly Johnson, a waitress at the diner               Madchen Amick
Leo Johnson, her nasty trucker husband                   Eric Da Re

James Hurley, a biker, secretly involved
  with Laura; now in love with Donna                 James Marshall
Ed Hurley, James's uncle, owner of Big Ed's Gas Farm;
  secretly in love with Norma                        Everett McGill
Nadine Hurley, Ed's drape-crazed wife                   Wendy Robie

Dr. Will Hayward ("Doc")                               Warren Frost
Eileen Hayward, his wife,
  confined to a wheelchair                        Mary Jo Deschanel
Donna Hayward, their daughter,
  in love with James                               Lara Flynn Boyle
Harriet Hayward, Donna's
  younger sister                                 Jessica Wallenfels

Dr. Lawrence Jacoby, psychiatrist                      Russ Tamblyn

Andy Brennan, the deputy who cries                       Harry Goaz
Hawk, the other deputy                                Michael Horse
Lucy Morgan, the sheriff's receptionist             Kimmy Robertson

Ronnette Pulaski, the intended 3rd victim          Phoebe Augustine
Janek Pulaski, her father                    Rick Tutor / Alan Ogle
Maria Suburbis Pulaski,
  Janek's wife                  Roberta Maguire / Michele Milantoni

George Wolchezk, high school principal                   Troy Evans
Dwayne Milford, mayor                                   John Boylan
The Log Lady                                   Catherine E. Coulson
Jacques Renault, bartender at the roadhouse         Walter Olkewicz
Bernard Renault, his brother                            Clay Wilcox
Joey Paulson, a friend of James                        Brett Vadset

--- Michael Gerard, the one-armed man                    Al Strobel
Bob Lydecker, his best friend, a veterinarian          [yet unseen]
"Killer Bob," a dream figure seen by Cooper & Sarah     Frank Silva

> > Excerpts from netnews.alt.tv.twin-peaks: 7-May-90 three points Tom
> > Neff@bfmny0.UU.NET (985)

> > 1. The hand that dug up the locket was gloved, I think.  Gloves are often
> > used (in TV and movies) to hide gender.  It may be rash to assume that
> > the digger was male.
But the digger didn't know that someone was standing there with a camera
filming the whole thing, right?  So why would he disguise himself?  He
was also wearing a denim jacket, and looked heavy set.  It's a man
unless Lynch was deliberately misleading us.

It seems to me that Josie Parker might be a lot more involved with
Laura's death than we've been lead to believe so far.  Remember the
pilot?  One of the very first scenes -- perhaps the first, I can't
remember -- is Josie looking into her mirror, putting on makeup.  She
looks very serious, perhaps sad.  This is a strange opening when she has
been mentioned so little in the rest of the series.  Lynch/Frost puts
her in a prominent position, and then virtually ignores her.  But if
she'd just participated in killing Laura, it makes perfect sense.

In line with this, we know that Laura saw her the day she was killed, to
give her English lessons supposedly.  Laura confided in Johnny Hayward;
it seems to me that she might've confided in Josie as well.

And there's Josie's odd association with Norma's husband, who resembles
(for me, at least) the man from Cooper and Sarah Palmer's dream more
than anyone else in the show.

Josie is also dating the Sheriff.  Who else would she seek out if she
was involved in something messy?

Josie has also come on to Pete Martell (when she got the key to the safe
from him her robe was suggestively open).  Pete's the only person other
than the obvious Jacoby/Johnson that I think might've dug up the locket.
 He's also, oddly, invited her to go fishing with him; could it be he
needs to discuss something with her -- either to blackmail her or to
continue their association?

Also, the following SPOILER information:



When my wife asked the journalist who claimed to know the identity of
the killer if he didn't have a speaking part, as she'd heard, he thought
for a moment, and then said ``Of course he did.''  The point is, he had
to think for a moment.  If the killer was somebody really prominent --
Truman or Cooper, say -- he would've known immediately.  He also said
the killer was one of the last people you'd suspect, and that people
might be angry with they find out.  Seems to me that Josie fits the tab
pretty well.

He also said that its none of the kids, and not Hawk or Andy.

-- J

I saw a VERY nice Twin Peaks "family tree" with lines for "related to",
"friends with", "drug connection", "works with", etc., etc. all over
a nice two page picture of the Twin Peak(s) mountain in my wife's People
Magazine that arrived Saturday.  Get yours today!

"What's happening HERE, Lucy?!?"

Tim

Haven't seen a posting on an obvious joke.  (Forgive me if it was posted).
The one-armed man's name was Gerard.  In The Fugitive, Kimball was searching
for a one-armed man & was being persued by Lt. Gerard.


Also, an Elvis & TP fan that works here informs me that Little Elvis was
Elvis's nickname for his penis.

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In article <20956@megaron.cs.arizona.edu> curtis@cs.arizona.edu (Curtis E. Dyreson) writes:
> >But thus far, Twin Peaks seems to be nothing more than your typical 
> >soap opera done to excess in spots?  Take for instance the sandwich 
> >scene in the 3rd episode.  Was it anything more than deliberate, 
> >juvenile, heavy-handed oddness?  Did it advance the
> >plot or develop the characters or was it simply Lynch saying "Watch me take
> >a normal scene like a reunion and twist it."?  Quite frankly, it was just 
> >silly.  Perhaps it was parody?  Humor?  If the purpose is unclear, the
> >effect is random.  The only purpose that I can fathom it 
> >served was that it set the mood. 

OK, you're abusing my favorite scene, so I'll explain why I believe this 
particular segment is central to at least Ben Horne's character, if not TP.

Ben Horne seems to be the analogue to Frank (Dennis Hopper) from 'Blue 
Velvet'.  In 'Blue Velvet', Jeffrey's voyeurism leads him to an involvement 
with the singer Dorthy Valens in which be is forced to confront his own 
capacity for abusive behavior.  During lovemaking, she says 'Hit me! Hit me!',
and he does.  On the joyride, Frank turns to Jeffrey and says, "You're just 
like me".  Frank has totally surrendered to his violent impulses, which seems 
to be the source of his power over other people.  This sounds to me like a 
good working definition of Ben Horne.  The almost painful consumption of the 
baguettes provides a chilling and quite convincing demonstration of the depth 
of Ben and Jerry's depravity.  Jerry has eaten *four* of these sandwiches a 
day while in Paris.  Even after having dined with his family, Ben is 
interested in the object of his brother's obsession, in fact dives into 
consuming it with a frightening gusto.  He then points out to brother Jer that 
the reason they are so fascinated by this brie and butter combination is that 
it reminds them of 'Jeannie and Joanie down by the river', which Jerry 
acknowledges.  Then they immediately adjourn to the jewel of a scene in front 
of the wall mural in which Jerry is informed of the Norwegians' departure and 
the murder of Leland's daughter.  This double dose of bad news leads quite 
naturally to a boat ride for an evening of diversion at One-Eyed Jacks.  (The 
dissolve from the zooming pan into the wall mural to the droning boat speeding 
across the lake at night to the Hayward's living room still sends chills.  
What genius!)  IMHO, this is a brilliant sketch of a man who indulges his
appetites at every opportunity in a completely amoral fashion.  As we
subsequently discover, Ben, in partnership with Hank Jennings and Leo Johnson,
is most likely behind almost all of the badness coming down in TP.  

Favorite character: Jerry Horne (When will we see him again?)
Favorite quote: 'All work and no play make Ben and Jerry dull boys'

Doug Dickerson douglas@gandalf.nosc.mil

Oooh!  Maybe the log lady is Jacoby's lost love!

In article <15465@bfmny0.UU.NET> tneff@bfmny0.UU.NET (Tom Neff) writes:

> > 2. Leo never directly admitted to killing Bernard.  Where did we last
> >seen him?  Bound in a chair at the Bookhouse.  It may be rash to assume
> >that the B-Boys are as lily white as they come on.

It was mentioned that he made bail.  No need to assume that any B-Boys
did him in (although I'd guess they are a pretty rough bunch anyway).


--
Archer Sully       |  I'm 27 years old.  That's 54 in Nerd Years
(archer@esd.sgi.com)  | -- Keith Rienzi

tneff@bfmny0.UU.NET (Tom Neff) writes:
> > 3. Style note - let's not kid ourselves, Cooper hasn't been acting as
> >geeky lately because these other, mere mortal TV directors aren't as
> >weird as Lynch and don't direct KMcL to do so.

That's probably part of it.  But Cooper (much more so than the other
characters) seems to radically change personality without warning.  I
was particualrly struck by this at the beginning of episode #3 when he's
talking quite seriously with Audrey, and then HST and Lucy show up and
all of a sudden he's all weird again.  His voice, mannerisms, gestures
were all different.  Maybe it was just a Lynchism, but it seemed way too
deliberate to me.

Between these sudden changes and that goofy smile he has on half the
time, one can't help but get the impression that he's putting everyone on.

Wayne("The spice is the worm...Am I the One?");

sjl8335@cec1.wustl.edu (Scott James Ladewig) writes:
> >Dana Ashbrook, who plays Bobby Briggs on "Twin Peaks," couldn't keep a
> >secret from his girlfriend -- he told her who killed Laura Palmer on the
> >ABC hit series.  

Nobody's mentioned it (in any articles I've seen): he was on David
Letterman last friday and he couldn't keep his mouth shut there either.
Old Dave is notorious for trying to get celebrities to reveal exactly
this sort of information on camera.  It took all of about 3.25 seconds
for Dana to crack.

BTW from what little of the interview I saw, he struck me as a real
pinhead.  Anyway, I dove for the remote as fast as I could (too bad NTSC
doesn't include a way to transmit Control-Ls ;-), but I managed to
overhear the following before I changed the channel:

Warning: SPOILER

"It involves more than one person..."

or words to that effect.  Anyway, the implication was clearly that Laura
has more than one killer.  But we had already assumed as much.  And was
I, or was I not, the first person in this forum to say that the whole
town did it?

Wayne();

deben@world.std.com (Robert J DeBenedictis) writes:
> >(David Jason Kyle) asks:
>> >>Why is the secretary mad at the deputy?

Maybe because she has the hots for Cooper and wants to make herself
available.

Wayne();

Sanjay Gadkari <gadkari@cis.ohio-state.edu> writes:
> >The fact that
> >Horne drops his cigar wrapper next to it may be of significance.

My guess is that the cops'll find the wrapper when they find the body
and that will link Horne with the murder of Bernard.  And who knows what
goodies Horne'll spill during interrogation.

Wayne();

tim@hoptoad.UUCP (Tim Maroney) writes:
> >In article <3652@newton.physics.purdue.edu> sho@maxwell.physics.purdue.edu
> >(Sho Kuwamoto) writes:
>> >>Still, I feel that Madeline is NOT LP.  First, Albert would have done
>> >>found out in the autopsy.
> >
> >How?  Mistaken identity is not any pathological syndrome of which I am
> >aware.
> >
> >Dental records could tell them apart, but he'd have to decide to doubt
> >the positive identifications by people who knew her well to go to the
> >inconvenient step of checking dental records.  What he was after was how
> >the girl died, not who she was.

This would also make sense given the way Albert's character has been
developed.  That is, he is extremely thorough and good at what he does.
And he is extremely unlikable.  What else to do with such a character
but have him lose face for missing something so obvious?

Wayne();

From article <2268@nosc.NOSC.MIL>, by douglas@gandalf.nosc.mil (Douglas Dickerson):

> In article <20956@megaron.cs.arizona.edu> curtis@cs.arizona.edu (Curtis E. Dyreson) writes:
>>soap opera done to excess in spots? Take for instance the sandwich
>>scene in the 3rd episode. Was it anything more than deliberate,
>>juvenile, heavy-handed oddness?
>
> OK, you're abusing my favorite scene, so I'll explain why I believe this
> particular segment is central to at least Ben Horne's character, if not TP.
>
> Ben Horne seems to be the analogue to Frank (Dennis Hopper) from 'Blue
> Velvet'. In 'Blue Velvet', Jeffrey's voyeurism leads him to an involvement
> ...

> IMHO, this is a brilliant sketch of a man who indulges his
> appetites at every opportunity in a completely amoral fashion. As we
> subsequently discover, Ben, in partnership with Hank Jennings and Leo Johnson,
> is most likely behind almost all of the badness coming down in TP.

Excellent analysis. It makes a lot of sense. The difference between
Ben's baguette voraciousness and Frank`s "mother" scene in Blue Velvet
is more a difference in quantity of depravity than quality.
Movies are a lot less deprave! I totally agree that the gusto with which the
sandwiches were consumed was sickening and painful to watch. I have no
argument with Lynch's stylistic genius and creative touches in
individual scenes. Many are absolutely fascinating. What I am missing
is the "big" picture. If this scene served notice that Ben was at
the mercy of his insatiable appetites what other scenes reinforced
that view? Did he threaten his daughter Audrey? Did he plot to burn
the sawmill? Actually both, right? Your analysis is beginning to make
even more sense. You seem to have a deep understanding of what's going
on. No doubt you've spent time in Tibet. Perhaps if you have the time,
you'll tackle the following "oddities":

1) The Dream sequence.
2) The Rock Throwing.
3) The Barking Boys in Jail (at the end of episode 1).
4) Mike's explosion at the funeral.

I'm not picking nits, these are major developments. Do they all fit
together? Am I way off base in asserting that individual scenes are
great but they are tacked together loosely (if at all) or according
to some unfathomable plan (e.g. like a Bunuel or Fellini flick)?
Please, clue me (and the net from the articles I've seen) in on the
big picture.

> Doug Dickerson douglas@gandalf.nosc.mil

Curtis Dyreson curtis@cs.arizona.edu

This may not come to happen, but I'd love to see Norma & Shelly show
up at the perfume counter on their "Day of beauty" in the next
episode with Audrey behind the counter.

Just a thought, not a conviction:  If the vision of the gloved hand
digging up the necklace occurs at the time when the event is actually
going on, then (according to the recently-posted timeline -- wow,
thanks) it's hours after it's buried.  This is odd (not impossible) if
Jacoby saw it being hidden and digs it up.  Now here's the thought:
Donna doesn't know about the Bookhouse Boys, that James has nothing to
fear from the police, etc.  Maybe James buries the locket just to shut
Donna up, knowing a BB could retrieve it.  All his confusion over what
could could have happened to it could just be a put-on for Laura, and we
know the BB are hesitant about telling Cooper everything.  This doesn't
explain how Jacoby has the necklace, though, if there's only one.

I just had an weird (and probably inaccurate) idea:
perhaps the dwarf in Cooper's dream was Waldo the
myna bird!  That weird shaking he did in the beginning
of the dream sequence looked sort of like a bird preening.
He also might relate to the bird as a provider of
clues: if myna birds can talk (I can't recall now), then
it'll be a likely plot device that the myna bird will
repeat something important.

Or maybe not.

--paul

In article <55863@bbn.BBN.COM> mesard@labs-n.bbn.com (Wayne Mesard) writes:
> >tim@hoptoad.UUCP (Tim Maroney) writes:
>> >>inconvenient step of checking dental records.  What he was after was how
>> >>the girl died, not who she was.
> >This would also make sense given the way Albert's character has been
> >developed.  That is, he is extremely thorough and good at what he does.
> >And he is extremely unlikable.  What else to do with such a character
> >but have him lose face for missing something so obvious?

I've got faith in Albert.  He's very very thorough.  Remember, he had very
little time with the body.  ("Who knows what I could have come up with...")
He's also still assimilating all the information.  If it really is *not*
Laura that's dead, I bet he'll notice something odd.  The lack of time
means that Albert may not have gotten a chance to do all of the checking
he wanted.  Heck, he *didn't* get to do all the checking he wanted.  Like
taking the power drill to her forehead.

Albert's still working on the case...he keeps giving regular updates, so 
he hasn't finished yet.  If it really *was* Madeleine that got killed, I'd
bet that Albert will be the first to make that guess.  Second choice would
be James Hurley.  I still say that "Madeleine" didn't really look all
that sad at the funeral...it's a long shot, but it's still very possible
that Maddy is really Laura.
-- - Barry gingrich%tisl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu OR bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU

Hi There,
With all this analyses of various minor details (e.g. significance
of color red, favorite brands of gum, etc), I'm surprised that noone has
pondered why Agent Cooper asked Deputy Andy to purchase a roll of twine
before Cooper visits the vet above the convenience store.  Later, Andy gives
Cooper a roll of Finley's Fine Twine (fine=thin or fine=quality ?), but
Coop doesn't do anything with it. Why?  I predict the roll of twine will
turn up this week.
Charlie ('mingo'@well)

In article <11341@hoptoad.uucp>, tim@hoptoad.UUCP (Tim Maroney) writes:
> > No, wait.  Madelyn is the mynah bird.  Lucy is the Dalai Lama, and
> > Killer Bob is actually the time-travelled and sex-changed Josie
> > Packard!  The dwarf was the washed Little Elvis, the shoe salesman is
> > actually missing a foot as well, Ronette's capture had nothing to with
> > Laura, and Tibet is a small town about thirty miles east of here.  The
> > mill was built by aliens, Rover is a giant ping-pong ball, and the
> > walrus was Ringo!  Meanwhile, in Rippington, Nancy and Yoogie are
> > having a snack with their pet budgie Simon, and across the Atlantic,
> > Rich Rosen is leading cultists in a horrific sacrifice to Kate Bush,

"If I only could, I'd make a deal with God, and I'd get him to SWAP OUR PLACES"
    -- from Running Up Those Hills
by Laura... er, Madelyn... um, Kate (yeah, that's it!), Kate Bush

See, everything ties together, if you have enough rope...

(Tim, if you EVER publicly mix me up with Doug Alan again, I'll hit you with my
death bag.)
--
"A new religion that'll bring you to your knees, Black Velvet if you please..."
Rich Rosenrlr@toccata.rutgers.edu
--

In article <11328@hoptoad.uucp>, tim@hoptoad.uucp (Tim Maroney) writes...

}} Still, I feel that Madeline is NOT LP.  First, Albert would have done
}} found out in the autopsy.

} How?  Mistaken identity is not any pathological syndrome of which I am
} aware.

} Dental records could tell them apart, but he'd have to decide to doubt
} the positive identifications by people who knew her well to go to the
} inconvenient step of checking dental records.  What he was after was how
} the girl died, not who she was.

Except that if he was thorough enough to discover particles of pumice on
the back of her neck, he was *bound* to notice that her hair was dyed,
or discovered traces of hair dye.

-- "I've got compassion running outta my nose, pal. I'm the sultan of sentiment." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <4a40230b.20b6d@apollo.HP.COM>, dawson@apollo.HP.COM (Keith Dawson) writes...

} I agree with Barry. The director of episode 4[0] (5/3) was Tim Burton,
} of Batman and Beetlejuice.

No, it wasn't. It was Tim *Hunter*, who directed RIVER'S EDGE.

-- "I've got compassion running outta my nose, pal. I'm the sultan of sentiment." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <11313@shlump.nac.dec.com>, boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy)
writes:
> > } How?  Mistaken identity is not any pathological syndrome of which I am
> > } aware. Dental records could tell them apart, but he'd have to decide to
> > } doubt the positive identifications by people who knew her well to go to the
> > } inconvenient step of checking dental records.  What he was after was how
> > } the girl died, not who she was.
> > 
> > Except that if he was thorough enough to discover particles of pumice on
> > the back of her neck, he was *bound* to notice that her hair was dyed,
> > or discovered traces of hair dye.

As has been mentioned numerous times before, it would be hardly be unexpected,
inappropriate, or otherwise bad form for part of the story to hinge upon
Albert, that swell guy and self-important snotnosed twit he, being WRONG, being
so goddamned cocksure of himself and how much better he is than the local
hayseed police force that he just plain MISSES something (perhaps even
something that [Ubizmo forbid], Truman DOES catch).

Sorry if this sounds a little too double entendrish.  Look for significance
where there's none intended...
--
"This isn't an argument... it's just contradiction."Rich Rosen
"No it isn't."rlr@toccata.rutgers.edu
--

In article <AaFhwMy00WBKE0wQ1q@andrew.cmu.edu>, dv0o+@andrew.cmu.edu
(Doug vanderVeen) writes:
> > But as to the twins theme, others have mentioned that there are many twins
> > that we only see one half.  

There are also a number of pairs of things that normally go together where one
of the two is missing.  Not just people, but body parts that normally come in
pairs (Nadine's missing [?] eye, one-armed man's missing arm), and of course
the halves of the necklace.  Someone already mentioned that figurines on Ed and
Nadine's shelf (?) included a one-eyed and a one-armed figure.  (True?)
--
Look for significance where there's none intended, and you will surely find it.
Rich Rosenrlr@toccata.rutgers.edu
--

In article <4aFPa3a00jukFKK4Vl@cs.cmu.edu>, Jon.Webb@CS.CMU.EDU writes...

} In line with this, we know that Laura saw her the day she was killed, to
} give her English lessons supposedly.  Laura confided in Johnny Hayward;
} it seems to me that she might've confided in Josie as well.

Where has it been determined that Laura confided in Johnny Horne (not
Hayward -- and it's Josie Packard, not Parker -- I assume that you mean
the autistic man)?

} And there's Josie's odd association with Norma's husband, who resembles
} (for me, at least) the man from Cooper and Sarah Palmer's dream more
} than anyone else in the show.

Means nothing. He and Killer Bob are played by two different people, so
it's clear that they aren't *meant* to be the same,

-- "I've got compassion running outta my nose, pal. I'm the sultan of sentiment." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

In article <826@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU> bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU
(Barry Gingrich) writes:
> >I've got faith in Albert.  He's very very thorough.  Remember, he had very
> >little time with the body.  ("Who knows what I could have come up with...")
> >He's also still assimilating all the information.  If it really is *not*
> >Laura that's dead, I bet he'll notice something odd.

Like what?  Like I said, mistaken identity is not a physical syndrome.
He'd have to check the dental records, and I can believe he wouldn't --
especially since it would mean dealing with another resident of Twin
Peaks to get them.

> >Albert's still working on the case...he keeps giving regular updates, so 
> >he hasn't finished yet.  If it really *was* Madeleine that got killed, I'd
> >bet that Albert will be the first to make that guess.  Second choice would
> >be James Hurley.

James is pretty dumb.  Anyway, I'm now inclined to believe that Laura
was in fact the dead girl, while Madelyn had been playing her part in
high school and possibly elsewhere for a while -- including being the
friend of Donna and James.  That explains the hair, and why Albert
wouldn't have noticed any dye or a mismatch between the color and her
vital statistics.  Madelyn was dying her hair blonde; Laura's hair was
natural.  This also explains Cooper's statement about who killed Laura
Palmer when he woke up from the dream -- it really was Laura who was
killed.

> >I still say that "Madeleine" didn't really look all
> >that sad at the funeral...it's a long shot, but it's still very possible
> >that Maddy is really Laura.

I don't know about the funeral -- dark glasses hide a lot -- but there
is a better clue, as I've pointed out.  There's just no way that
Madelyn was reacting to James as she would to a stranger.  Go back
and check if you don't know what I'm talking about....
-- Tim Maroney, Mac Software Consultant, sun!hoptoad!tim, tim@toad.com "Please help support the moratorium on meaningless quotes in .signatures." -- Doug Asherman on rec.music.cd

In article <saFWV9_00WB_5_qpto@andrew.cmu.edu> pw0l+@andrew.cmu.edu
(Paul Christopher Workman) writes:
> >I just had an weird (and probably inaccurate) idea:
> >perhaps the dwarf in Cooper's dream was Waldo the
> >myna bird!  That weird shaking he did in the beginning
> >of the dream sequence looked sort of like a bird preening.
> >
> >Or maybe not.

Uh.  Well.  Er.

Isn't the dwarf just one of the souls of the dead that Hawk talked
about?  Wasn't the shaking as he was turned away form the camera simply
him composing his human form?

No, wait.  Madelyn is the mynah bird.  Lucy is the Dalai Lama, and
Killer Bob is actually the time-travelled and sex-changed Josie
Packard!  The dwarf was the washed Little Elvis, the shoe salesman is
actually missing a foot as well, Ronette's capture had nothing to with
Laura, and Tibet is a small town about thirty miles east of here.  The
mill was built by aliens, Rover is a giant ping-pong ball, and the
walrus was Ringo!  Meanwhile, in Rippington, Nancy and Yoogie are
having a snack with their pet budgie Simon, and across the Atlantic,
Rich Rosen is leading cultists in a horrific sacrifice to Kate Bush,
Bigfoot is alone with a copy of Flesh World, I'm having treatment, and
La Fontaine can get knotted.
-- Tim Maroney, Mac Software Consultant, sun!hoptoad!tim, tim@toad.com This message does represent the views of Eclectic Software.

From Martin Snapp's "Eastbay Ear" (an "items" or "three-dot" style column)
in the Oakland Tribune, 5/3/90:

"OK, I finally watched "Twin Peaks" last week. Tell me: What's all
the shouting about? Granted, I only watched for five minutes. But
those five minutes were the longest hour I ever spent...."

---
Barbara Petersen
..{apple, claris, dlb, tandem, teraida}!netcom!petersen pete...@netcom.uucp
"Everything you eat is waste, but swallowing is easy when it has no taste...."

In article <1990May5.004815.26595@alembic.acs.com>, csu@alembic.acs.com
(Dave Mack) writes:

> > Bad news - they have ducks in both DC and Chicago. Cooper's from
> > some place farther away. Mars, probably.

Actually, as a "from out in left field" sort of theory, this could work.  If
the suggestions that Killer Bob and Mike are time travelers/extraterrestrials
are correct, perhaps Cooper is also an extraterrestrial of some sort, pursuing
Bob and Mike through time and space.  This could explain things like Cooper's
extraordinary feats of memory and marksmanship, his delight at seemingly 
ordinary elements of life in Twin Peaks, his almost-too-quick arrival in Twin
Peaks after the murder, the fast turnaround on his communications with Diane,
and so on....

---
Barbara Petersen
..{apple, claris, dlb, tandem, teraida}!netcom!petersen    petersen@netcom.uucp
          "Well, the martians got notebooks in their little hands, 
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Maybe someone mentioned this in a posting I missed or skimmed
too quickly but here goes.  It doesn't seem to be a coincedence
that the series is called Twin Peaks.  How many possible sets of
                          ^^^^
twins do we have so far?  Obviously Maddie and Laura.  How about
Bobby and Mike (the football players) and Bob and Mike (the guys in
Cooper's dream)?  Also, the name Twin Peaks seems to suggest a sort
of duality which also runs through the town itself -- a wonderful
town where everyone cares and yet there's "something evil in the
woods."  Am I missing some twins?  Any guesses as to the significance
(if any) of this?

Bart

The twins theme is definitely strong, and it serves to emphasize how
connected  the people of Twin Peaks are to each other.

I grew up in a community of about 50k and it was very much like Twin Peaks
in that everyones paths crossed.  I think this is why the opening scene of the
pilot was so effective for me.  Everyone in the twon knew Laura and was
affected by her death.  Death was real.

But as to the twins theme, others have mentioned that there are many twins
that we only see one half.  I find that this emphasizes how people in Twin
Peaks are related; they are all connected to each other, but they're never
quite sure what they are connected to.  This is very much like life in a
small town.

Which brings me to who the killer is.  Leo, because it's obvious.  The point
isn't who did it, but why. (And when will Cooper find out.)  Laura's murder
has caused the people of Twin Peaks to investigate the people they know.  To
find out about their "twins."

Doug van der Veen

"What we need is practice, and plenty of it."

 >  Coop doesn't do anything with it. Why?  I predict the roll of twine will
 >  turn up this week.

Yes Coop did do something with it. He bound up the Lydecker records boxes.
Before entering the clinic he already suspected enough to know he was going
to impound the records; thus his order to Andy.

--Keith Dawson
dawson@apollo.hp.com

From article <caFgYUy00Uh7Q0rIBJ@andrew.cmu.edu>, by bl0r+@andrew.cmu.edu (Barton Lipman):

> twins do we have so far? Obviously Maddie and Laura. How about
> Bobby and Mike (the football players) and Bob and Mike (the guys in

This is an interesting idea. During the first few episodes I was slightly
confused about who was who (while I was still learning characters). I was
getting Bobby and James confused, since they looked somewhat alike and both
wore leather jackets. And Laura's father and (oh, shoot, what's his name)
the guy who is Leland's partner and owns the hotel. I found the casting
of some of these characters annoying since they were so much alike. Perhaps
it wasn't an accident.

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mingo@well.sf.ca.us (Charles Hawkins Mingo) writes:
> >With all this analyses of various minor details (e.g. significance
> >of color red, favorite brands of gum, etc), I'm surprised that noone has
> >pondered why Agent Cooper asked Deputy Andy to purchase a roll of twine
> >before Cooper visits the vet above the convenience store.  Later, Andy gives
> >Cooper a roll of Finley's Fine Twine (fine=thin or fine=quality ?), but
> >Coop doesn't do anything with it. Why?  I predict the roll of twine will
> >turn up this week.

That was just to establish that the store sold that particular brand.
Albert has already told Cooper that Finley's Fine Twine was one of the
kinds of twine used to bind Laura's arms--you must have missed it.






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In article <17880@well.sf.ca.us> mingo@well.sf.ca.us (Charles Hawkins Mingo) writes:
}With all this analyses of various minor details (e.g. significance
}of color red, favorite brands of gum, etc), I'm surprised that noone has
}pondered why Agent Cooper asked Deputy Andy to purchase a roll of twine
}before Cooper visits the vet above the convenience store.  Later, Andy gives
}Cooper a roll [...] but Coop doesn't do anything with it. Why?

Because he is going to send it to Albert for analysis!  I beleive he asked Andy to get fine twine because that is what was used to tie Laura's arms.  The
conv. store is next to the clinic where Jaques myna bird was a patient--a 
reasonable source for the twine used on Laura.

Again, I can't imagine a myna bird attacking a live person.  The bird bites
and claw marks must have come after she was dead--her corpse at the Lydecker
clinic?  (Does Cooper notice the "Aid to the beast incarnate" sign over the 
clinic, or is this an audience clue only?)
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in the news today: 
David Lynch is working with Harper & Row to produce a coffee-table
book containing an ecclectic collection of his drawings, paintings,
photographs, short fiction, and essays.  Due in fall 1991.

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(1)  The Hayward family is just too normal for David Lynch.
Lynch is known for presenting the twisted side of American
Normalbuerger, so there must be something wrong with the one
sane, non-adulterous, non-drug-dealing, generally Norman
Rockwellian family in Twin Peaks.

(2)  Remember when Donna Hayward snuck away the night after
Laura Palmer was discovered?  Daddy found out -- was he as
worried as one might expect?  Why not?

In article <17880@well.sf.ca.us> mingo@well.sf.ca.us (Charles Hawkins Mingo) writes:

> >Hi There,
> >With all this analyses of various minor details (e.g. significance
> >of color red, favorite brands of gum, etc), I'm surprised that noone has
> >pondered why Agent Cooper asked Deputy Andy to purchase a roll of twine
> >before Cooper visits the vet above the convenience store.  Later, Andy gives
> >Cooper a roll of Finley's Fine Twine (fine=thin or fine=quality ?), but
> >Coop doesn't do anything with it. Why?  I predict the roll of twine will
> >turn up this week.

There are two (extremely obvious) reasons for the twine.  First, Cooper 
obviously wanted to see what kind of twine was sold at the convienence
store.  He already knew that Finley's Fine Twine was used to tie up Laura.
Second, the twine was used to bundle up the files from the vet's office.

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Harry, set up Hank, because he's seeing Josie on the side.  Or rather, 
Josie, even though she may still have been married, was seeing Hank 
*and* Harry.  This all happened three years ago.  

Now that he's out on parole, things should get more interesting.

This sets up a nice little triangle there.  And, frankly, I've given up
thinking that anyone on the show is as innocent as they appear to be; 
unless of course they're wigged out in some way (Lucy, Log Lady, Nadine, 
etc).  Josie especially.

Just some 2am musings...

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In article <4a40230b.20b6d@apollo.HP.COM> dawson@apollo.HP.COM (Keith Dawson) writes:
> >
> >    
> >Re: Tim Burton; 
> >  I agree with Barry. The director of episode 4[0] (5/3) was Tim Burton, of Batman
> >  and Beetlejuice. Good weird camera angles and surreal surgical lighting: the scene
> >  where the lawmen ran up the outside steps of Jacques's apartment could have been
> >  done by a Lynch understudy.

Batman? BATMAN????!!! Tim Burton??? As Lucy used to say in the "Peanuts"
cartoon strip, "HAHAHAHAHAHAHOHOHOHO!!!". You'd better go and watch your
tape copy again, if you have one. The director was Tim HUNTER. He directed
the film "River's Edge", which had Dennis Hopper in it. It was a movie about
a high school guy who kills his girlfriend and eventually tells his friends 
about it, and they all go and see the body (at the edge of a river - 
interesting Laura Palmer connection), but none of them will go to the
authorities. It was probably due to this Lynch-like film that he was chosen for
a Twin Peaks episode. I thought the 5/3 episode was one of the better weekly
installments, certainly an improvement over the 4/26 show. Oh well,
Keith, even if you got your directors wrong I agree with you about
the scene involving the raid on Jacques' apartment and the lighting,
camera angles, etc. It was my favorite scene in that episode.

In article <4aFPa3a00jukFKK4Vl@cs.cmu.edu> Jon.Webb@CS.CMU.EDU writes:
Reply to spoiler follows:

> >When my wife asked the journalist who claimed to know the identity of
> >the killer if he didn't have a speaking part, as she'd heard, he thought
> >for a moment, and then said ``Of course he did.''  The point is, he had
> >to think for a moment.  If the killer was somebody really prominent --
> >Truman or Cooper, say -- he would've known immediately.  He also said
> >the killer was one of the last people you'd suspect, and that people
> >might be angry with they find out.  Seems to me that Josie fits the tab
> >pretty well.

But is Josie Packard a he?  I suppose it would have given away too much
if the journalist had said "she", but he could have said, "of course."
instead.

He had to think about it for awhile, huh?  Well, it looks like the log
gets to talk next week...

-Sho
-- sho@physics.purdue.edu <<-- idle speculation

In article <55863@bbn.BBN.COM> mesard@labs-n.bbn.com (Wayne Mesard) writes:
<tim@hoptoad.UUCP (Tim Maroney) writes:
<<In article <3652@newton.physics.purdue.edu> sho@maxwell.physics.purdue.edu
<<(Sho Kuwamoto) writes:
<<<Still, I feel that Madeline is NOT LP.  First, Albert would have done
<<<found out in the autopsy.
[...]
<<How?  Mistaken identity is not any pathological syndrome of which I am
<<aware.
[...]
<This would also make sense given the way Albert's character has been
<developed.  That is, he is extremely thorough and good at what he does.
<And he is extremely unlikable.  What else to do with such a character
<but have him lose face for missing something so obvious?

Point taken.  I was just thinking that the two were *not* identical
to begin with, (e.g., hair color) and Albert would have found out that
the girl had been made up to look like LP somehow.  I mean, he found
out that the killer "probably leaned in for a kiss, like this," right?

-Sho
-- sho@physics.purdue.edu <<-- Oh, never mind....

In article <11313@shlump.nac.dec.com>, boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:

 
[re: likelihood that Albert would have figured it out if corpse was really
Madeleine]

> > Except that if he was thorough enough to discover particles of pumice on
> > the back of her neck, he was *bound* to notice that her hair was dyed,
> > or discovered traces of hair dye.

We're having that argument here at Sun, too.  Do we have any evidence that
Laura Palmer, either the corpse or the girl in the photographs or videos,
was a natural blonde?  If not, then hair dye wouldn't even have been
mentioned.  Dark roots appear to be a possibility in the videotape;
I couldn't tell for sure.

What about the theory that "DAY 1" in the diary refers to the first day
of an agreement between L & M to swap places?  Who would they have needed
to tell?  Donna?  Jacoby?  Who seems to be holding out a lot of info
lately?  Donna?  Jacoby?

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In article <17880@well.sf.ca.us> mingo@well.sf.ca.us (Charles Hawkins Mingo)
writes:
> >favorite brands of gum, etc), I'm surprised that noone has
> >pondered why Agent Cooper asked Deputy Andy to purchase a roll of twine
> >before Cooper visits the vet above the convenience store.  Later, Andy gives
> >Cooper a roll of Finley's Fine Twine (fine=thin or fine=quality ?), but
> >Coop doesn't do anything with it. Why?  I predict the roll of twine will
> >turn up this week.

To check it against the twine on the corpse, of course, of course.
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On a preview for the 5/3 episode, they showed Josey opening the
card with the drawing of the 3-3 domino on it, and Hank talking on
the phone and fingering the domino. The announcer's voice said
"Will Josey's pen pal still be her pal when he's out of the pen?".
That's the only mention I'd heard that they were pen pals.

This could just be the announcer being cute. However, it is possible
that Josey, trying to learn English, signed up for a prison pen pal
and got Hank, or maybe arranged to have Hank through Norma, and
that's the extent of their knowledge of each other (i.e. nothing
sinister).

But, when Hank called her at the end she recognized his voice, which
weakens this theory and makes it more likely that they knew each
other before Hank went to jail. Josey came over six years before,
right? [insert Twilight Zone music here]


On another point, maybe the confusion about how long ago Andrew
Packard died is because the reference to "last year" is not based
on the calendar year, but rather the school year, or the logging
year, or the fiscal year, or something. Also, has anyone said
"a year and a half ago" except Truman to Cooper, explaining that
he had only been seeing Josey for six weeks? I.e., maybe he was 
exaggerating how long Andrew had been dead so that the ratio of
"I've been seeing her" time to "widow" time is only about .08,
versus .12 if he's only been dead for a year...obviously the
.10 level is very important psychologically.


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In article <20012@grebyn.com>, strat@grebyn.com (Robert Stratton) writes:
 
> > When exactly was Lucy "working undercover" at Jacks??? Or are you musing
> > about the possibility? I do confess that when Benjamin went there I 
> > had a fleeting thought that the "new girl" was Lucy, but I decided
> > it wasn't her. <WAS IT HER???>

I'm not sure.  I've gone back and looked at it a couple of times, but
I couldn't tell for certain.  One thing, though - at the end of that
episode, there are no credits for "new girl at one-eyed jacks" or
anything else that could be the new girl.  So, either she made the 
"guest star" list for the week (I haven't checked that possibility) or
she's someone we know; I think she was on camera long enough to deserve
a credit somewhere.

If anyone else has a definitive answer to this question, I'd like to hear
it, myself.
  
> > Also - Does anyone know/think they know just what Benjamin meant when
> > (in his clandestine meeting with Leo, where we see dead Bernie)
> > he said, "Hank said you were a master..." 

I believe he says "Hank said you were gifted."  I assume this means that
Hank told Ben that Leo was a talented practicioner of a wide array of
felonies.  The reference was probably there principally to let the
attentive viewer know that Hank knew both Ben and Leo, but probably
separately.


> > Is it possible that Josie hired Hank to knock off Mr. Packard??? That would
> > at least lend some explanation for the domino picture/phone call that Josie
> > got from Hank...

It's possible that she hired him to do it, but it isn't possible that he's
the one who did it; he was in prison at the time (he's done a few years,
I believe, and Andrew Packard died either "last year" or "a year and a half
ago" (depending on which character you believe.)  This doesn't rule out the
possibility that Josie had hired Hank to kill Andrew; perhaps he had the
accident that led to his incarceration while he was on the way to kill
Andrew.

> > God, this is a *damn* good show!

Amen to that.

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In article <54513@microsoft.UUCP> jonn@microsoft.UUCP (Jon NEWMAN) writes:

> >(1)  The Hayward family is just too normal for David Lynch.
> >Lynch is known for presenting the twisted side of American
> >Normalbuerger, so there must be something wrong with the one
> >sane, non-adulterous, non-drug-dealing, generally Norman
> >Rockwellian family in Twin Peaks.

Sometimes Lynch shows the abnormal by contrasting it with the
hypernormal.  Case in point, Blue Velvet.  The policeman family
of Jeff's girlfriend is normal beyond the point of realism.  Nothing
in BV suggests the slightest defect there.  This heightens all the
more the utter violence of Frank and his followers.

Not to say that Donna's family might not turn out to be in the 
other category, but I see no reason to suspect it.  For that matter
there are a bunch of too-perfect roles in TP, and they may stay
that way.  This is not an afternoon soap.  Maybe Andy really is
supersensitive, maybe Lucy is and will remain as pure as snow,
maybe Truman and the Bookhouse boys are the forces of justice, and
maybe Cooper is Buddha and Solomon redivivus.

Maybe I'm wrong.

> >pondered why Agent Cooper asked Deputy Andy to purchase a roll of twine
> >before Cooper visits the vet above the convenience store.  Later, Andy gives
> >Cooper a roll of Finley's Fine Twine (fine=thin or fine=quality ?), but
> >Coop doesn't do anything with it. Why?

Albert had determined that Laura had been tied up
with finley twine.  cooper told andy to buy finley
twine *specifically* (i.e. not just buy *any* twine)
at the store next to the vet's.  if finley twine
were available at *that* store, it increases the 
likelyhood that the killer had a connection with the
vet.  if there had been no finley twine there, cooper
would not have impounded the records of the vet. recall
that he ordered the files seized only *after* andy came
in with the twine.  no mystery here, only *damn* fine
detective work...

Peter

Yo!  Dig what magik@norby.acns.nwu.edu (Jeff Williamson) sez:
-
-Funny, when I was watching the dream sequence episode--number 3?--I thought
-that the old Cooper (from the dream) looked like Ronald Reagan, when you saw 
-him in profile. Anyone else care to comment? :-)

Yeah, I'll comment.

I thought he looked like Data, from ST:TNG.  I don't think it has much
bearing on the plot, though.  

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Yo!  Dig what tim@hoptoad.UUCP (Tim Maroney) sez:
-In article <3652@newton.physics.purdue.edu> sho@maxwell.physics.purdue.edu
-(Sho Kuwamoto) writes:
->Still, I feel that Madeline is NOT LP.  First, Albert would have done
->found out in the autopsy.
-
-Dental records could tell them apart, but he'd have to decide to doubt
-the positive identifications by people who knew her well to go to the
-inconvenient step of checking dental records.  What he was after was how
-the girl died, not who she was.

Not just dental records.  Fingerprints.  Hair color.  Eye color.  Height.
Bone structure.  Madeline and Laura were only *cousins*.  They weren't 
identical twins.  I don't care how much Lynch and company want to run
this idea into the ground, but I cannot believe that they look so much
alike that a non-grief stricken person would see the two as identical.

Albert would have had her medical records simply so he could compare 
Laura's final state of health (other than being dead) to her normal one.

Madeline is *not* Laura; it'd be really cheap if she was.

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the twine was just to make the connection between the vet's and the
conv. store next door...Cooper already knew it would be Finley's Fine
Twine (probably the only kind of twine sold in Twin Peaks).

-BTW, if Josie did it, don't you think the sherrif would have some clue
that she was involved in nastyness?  unless he's in one it too...but
then Cooper would know that by now...unless Cooper did it, in which case
the FBI was trying to get rid of Laura Palmer, who wasn't Laura, but
Madlene who must've been from a foreign country and stealing government
secrets...

and one other thing...
if, in the dream, there was an aeroplane driving out past the window,
what was it's part in all this?

-dk

Yo!  Dig what boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) sez:
-In article <2333@media-lab.MEDIA.MIT.EDU>, adamk@media-lab.MEDIA.MIT.EDU (Adam Kao) writes...
-
-} I think Lynch is too creative to use a random red herring (who cares
-} if Laura has a pet cat?) 
-
-Who knows, it may well become significant later on that Laura had a pet
-cat.  Maybe it was a patient at the Lydecker Clinic, and that's where
-she met Jacques Renault?

Yeah, that's the ticket.  Laura's cat, beat up on Jacques' mynah bird,
and for revenge, he tied her up in a railroad car, and let the bird
peck her to death...

So far it's about as plausible as anything else.

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In article <1990May04.182615.6991@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu> dana@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Dana Goldblatt) writes:
> >Anyway, I called alumni relations and there has never been
> >a Diane Shapiro (any spelling) who got a PhD. from Brandeis, not
> >in their database anyway.
> >
Is it just me, or does this seem just a bit ridiculous to anyone else out
there?  Do we really expect Lynch or Frost to *look up* all the Brandeis
alumni so that they can a have a true reference for the show (great as it
is)?  Besides, were this Diane person a real Alumni, wouldn't the old
disclaimer about "everyone in this show is fictional and similarities to
those alive or dead are coincidental" be broken, etc?

It just seems ludicrous to bother checking Brandeis's alumni records for
a charcter who is mentioned (in passing, no less) in a network TV show!

Otherwise, long live Twin Peaks!  Cooper forever!

"Do you think they spotted us?"    - Harry S. Truman
"Give me a donut."                 - Cooper

> >It doesn't seem to be a coincedence
> >that the series is called Twin Peaks.  How many possible sets of
> >                          ^^^^
> >twins do we have so far?  Obviously Maddie and Laura. [..more twins..]
> >Am I missing some twins? 
> >Bart

well, the title's most obvious reference is an allusion
to *ahem* part of the female anatomy.  Why do you think
there's so much emphasis on the sexual relationships in
the town if that wasn't the driving force behind the 
action?

Peter

Standard Disclaimers Apply

In article <17880@well.sf.ca.us> mingo@well.sf.ca.us (Charles Hawkins Mingo) writes:

   With all this analyses of various minor details (e.g. significance
   of color red, favorite brands of gum, etc), I'm surprised that noone has
   pondered why Agent Cooper asked Deputy Andy to purchase a roll of twine
   before Cooper visits the vet above the convenience store.  Later, Andy gives
   Cooper a roll of Finley's Fine Twine (fine=thin or fine=quality ?), but
   Coop doesn't do anything with it. Why?  I predict the roll of twine will
   turn up this week.
----

The twine is suggested by Albert, whose autopsy report says that Laura was
tied up with two kinds of twine.  If the killer was the one who tied her,
then it would make sense he'd frequent the convenience store he lived
above.  Coop must be looking for probable cause (beyond "We lived among the
people, above -- I think you say, 'convenience store.'")

Jon
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]] 3. Style note - let's not kid ourselves, Cooper hasn't been acting as
]]geeky lately because these other, mere mortal TV directors aren't as
]]weird as Lynch and don't direct KMcL to do so.
] 
] Between these sudden changes and that goofy smile he has on half the
] time, one can't help but get the impression that he's putting everyone on.

Be sure to check out Kyle MacLachlan's role in "The Hidden" if your
local video store has it. He played a cop (I think FBI) a lot like Cooper
that turned out to be an alien. Kind of like "Alien meets The Terminator."
He had the same quirkiness as in TP...

BTW, that population number on the sign sure looked like 5X,XXX to me...
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In article <caFgYUy00Uh7Q0rIBJ@andrew.cmu.edu>, bl0r+@andrew.cmu.edu
(Barton Lipman) writes:
> > Maybe someone mentioned this in a posting I missed or skimmed
> > too quickly but here goes.  It doesn't seem to be a coincedence
> > that the series is called Twin Peaks.  How many possible sets of
> >                           ^^^^
> > twins do we have so far?  Obviously Maddie and Laura.  How about
> > Bobby and Mike (the football players) and Bob and Mike (the guys in
> > Cooper's dream)?  Also, the name Twin Peaks seems to suggest a sort
> > of duality which also runs through the town itself -- ...

Think it has anything to do with the show's dual creators?
It's probably just the Washington version of the Grand Tetons...
it always seemed strange that the Tetons were named for
3 prominent peaks.


----------------
Paul Raveling
Raveling@isi.edu

Is it my poor memory or does Dr. Jacoby _always_ seem to be covering
his ears ? I seem to recall a stethoscope in an earlier episode, head
phones in a different episode, and now the white balls going into the
ear and out the mouth. I can not connect this to anything else I've
seen read. Any ideas ?

In article <54513@microsoft.UUCP> jonn@microsoft.UUCP (Jon NEWMAN) writes:
> >(1)  The Hayward family is just too normal for David Lynch.
> >(2)  Remember when Donna Hayward snuck away the night after
> >Laura Palmer was discovered?  Daddy found out -- was he as worried
> >as one might expect?  Why not?

I've been following similar thought about "Good" Ol Doc Hayward.

What really makes me think he knows something is that he made a point
about being the Doctor who delivered Laura Palmer.
Now, if there's some switcheroo with Laura and Maddy, I find it hard
to believe that they could be  just cousins.  I find it more likely
that they are actually twin sisters who were seperated at birth.

The Doc who delivered them would know this.

How this was hidden from the rest of the family is beyond me.
(Maybe it wasn't)

larry

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In article <2551@tellab5.tellabs.com> jfr@Tellabs.COM (John Ryder) writes:
> >In article <4a40230b.20b6d@apollo.HP.COM> dawson@apollo.HP.COM (Keith Dawson) writes:
>> >>Re: Tim Burton; 
>> >>I agree with Barry. The director of episode 4[0] (5/3) was Tim Burton, of Batman

Before this goes too much farther, I never said that Tim Burton was the 
director.  I'm not quite sure who *did* say that...it's unimportant.  I 
just said that I liked the direction ok.  I *did* know that it was Tim 
*Hunter*, but I gotta admit that I wasn't sure whether he directed "River's 
Edge" or not.  At any rate, I stand by my previous statement:  the 5/3 
episode was the best of the non-Lynch directed episodes so far.

Maybe we didn't see some of our "favorite character quirks" because Hunter
wanted to make the characters his own in some way (as somebody else 
suggested).  Also, maybe he realized that his quirks and Lynch's quirks
are so different that any such "homage" would fall flat, much as it
did in the first episode that Mr. L. did not direct.  Still...if Hunter
directed "River's Edge," he's used to directing quirky characters, like
those played by Crispin Glover and Dennis Hopper....
-- - Barry gingrich%tisl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu OR bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU

While going over the events and details of this apparently-revolutionary
show, I've come across a few tidbits which I sincerely hope someone out
there can make sense of (forgive me if I repeat any previous postings)...

For one thing: a lot of people are hot on the idea of Laura and Madeline
switching places.  I persoanlly am not.  However, supposing that the two
cousins *did* switch, hair dye seems to be the central hang-up.  As far
as I can tell, most people see this as a problem because Laura's dead
body (actually Madeline's in this theory) would have evidence of hair
dye.  My idea is this - what about Madeline being a natural blonde and
Laura, posing as Madeline, is the one with her hair (dyed black)?
Opinions?

As far as the ever-suspicious Leo goes, I found his comment about
"needing new shoes" interesting because, in underworld and spy circles
the term "new shoes" refers to getting a new identity (new credit cards,
passport, etc).  Maybe Leo plans on skipping town, ala new identity?

On to the (IMHO) *big* issues - Tibet and the Dalai Lama.  Doesn't it
seem unusual to anyone that a Llama was in a vetrinary clinic in a small
town like Twin Peaks?  It seems to me that the Llama in the clinic is
(symbolically) linked with the Dalai Lama himself.  And if this is the
case, then how are we to read the Llama's snorting at Cooper (who is such
a great Lama fan in the first place)?  Hmmm...

While on the subject of Tibet (someone please correct me if I'm wrong),
isn't Mount Everest in Tibet?  And next to Mount Everest is K2, the other
"highest mountain."  And as I understand it, Mt. Everest and K2 are
together known as... the Twin Peaks!  (Like I said, I could be completely
wrong about this - help!)

One last thing - is anyone else in love with Audrey Horne, or is it just
me?

Is "TWINe" another cosmic pun?  
Two kinds?  Only one of which
has been found?   Argggghh.
-- - Barry gingrich%tisl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu OR bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU

In article <7197@ur-cc.UUCP> bwri_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Ben Wright) writes:
> >One last thing - is anyone else in love with Audrey Horne, or is it just
> >me?

You are not alone.  Who *is* this woman, and why weren't my
parents close friends with her parents so we could have taken
baths together as babies?

*Sigh*

Peter

  Did anyone else notice that Pete wasn't supposed to be eating mayo on
his turkey sandwich?  Then we are offered a nice shot of the mayo jar.
My guess is that someonedid a little tampering to tnd get at Josie.
If I'm right Pete will be coming down with a bit of food poisoning.

Doug van der Veen

In article <1776@male.EBay.Sun.COM> duane@thismoment.EBay.Sun.COM (Duane Day) writes:
> >In article <20012@grebyn.com>, strat@grebyn.com (Robert Stratton) writes:
>> >> had a fleeting thought that the "new girl" was Lucy, but I decided
>> >> it wasn't her. <WAS IT HER???>
> >I'm not sure.  I've gone back and looked at it a couple of times, but
> >I couldn't tell for certain.  One thing, though - at the end of that
> >episode, there are no credits for "new girl at one-eyed jacks" or
> >anything else that could be the new girl.  So, either she made the 
> >"guest star" list for the week (I haven't checked that possibility) or
> >she's someone we know; I think she was on camera long enough to deserve
> >a credit somewhere.

Yeah, but so were the other girls at One Eyed Jacks.  
None of them recieved a credit.  And none of them are 
Lucy, either.  The girl in question looks nothing like 
Lucy to me.  She was an extra, nothing more (yet).

How dare you insinuate that Lucy is anything less than 
completely morally upstanding...Andy (if he were real)
would take your head off...assuming he didn't knock
himself out on the backswing.  It's not Lucy.  I'm sure.

About Andy...it seems like every smallish town has a 
cop that all the kids call "Barney".  You know the 
one...skinny guy, hat's too big for his head, has only
one bullet (kept in pocket, of course), shoots the
gas pump by accident because he thinks it's somebody
robbing the station (true story, Erie, KS)...
-- - Barry gingrich%tisl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu OR bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU

>> >>Anyway, I called alumni relations and there has never been
>> >>a Diane Shapiro (any spelling) who got a PhD. from Brandeis, not
>> >>in their database anyway.

> >Is it just me, or does this seem just a bit ridiculous to anyone else out
> >there?  Do we really expect Lynch or Frost to *look up* all the Brandeis
> >alumni so that they can a have a true reference for the show (great as it
> >is)?  

I would expect that the producers and/or the network Standards &
Practices people would in fact call up Brandeis themselves and make sure
there WASN'T any such person.

Nobody likes getting sued...

-- Psychoanalysis is the mental illness \\\ Tom Neff it purports to cure. -- Karl Kraus \\\ tneff@bfmn0.UU.NET

In article <1776@male.EBay.Sun.COM> duane@thismoment.EBay.Sun.COM (Duane Day) writes:
> >One thing, though - at the end of that
> >episode, there are no credits for "new girl at one-eyed jacks" or
> >anything else that could be the new girl.  So, either she made the 
> >"guest star" list for the week (I haven't checked that possibility) or
> >she's someone we know; I think she was on camera long enough to deserve
> >a credit somewhere.

She had no *lines*.  That's usually the determinant.  Memorable or
not, she was an extra.

I do think it means we won't see her again, though, since anyone with
lines in ANY epi usually gets a credit for appearance.

By the way did you notice that ONLY the pleasure girls at OEJ wore club
necklaces.  Blackie didn't, the bartender didn't, nor did the greeter
girl at the dock.  I don't know if it matters, it could just be the
costumer's careful work, but remember it.

In article <829@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU> bgingric@Intrepid.ECE.UKans.EDU (Barry Gingrich) writes:
> >Before this goes too much farther, I never said that Tim Burton was the 
> >director.  I'm not quite sure who *did* say that...

At your service.

In article <4a40230b.20b6d@apollo.HP.COM> dawson@apollo.HP.COM (Keith Dawson) writes:
> >I agree with Barry. The director of episode 4[0] (5/3) was Tim Burton,
> >of Batman and Beetlejuice.

It might be nice if one of our listophiles posted complete credits for the
episodes, not just cast.  Don't look at ME, I think I hear my mommy calling :-)

It would make no sense for Albert to miss hair dye or bleach.  Remember
he was doing fiber analysis.  He would have mentioned it.

However nobody is checking MADELEINE'S hair are they.  She could have
spent the last year as a blonde and who'd know.

I don't give much credence to the idea of a bleached Madeleine lying on
the slab being misidentified as Laura.  But I am kind of intrigued at
the thought of Madeleine impersonating her during the past year.  It
might explain why "Laura's changed," why she was involved with so many
different guys, a number of things.  I dunno.

Hey, can any of our trivia buffs tell us where that saw-grinding sequence
in the opening credits was filmed?

Also -- if you think this isn't a yuppie fad -- I was walking home from
the church last night and these three "suits" strolled by on their way
to some UES meat market/watering hole or other; overheard them saying
"Can you believe what I did last week -- forget to tape Twin Peaks"
and the other two go "DAMN! you idiot" so he says "well I did watch it
though..." and on into the night.  Seniors may be tuning out, but
thirtysomethings are glued to the set.

In article <13982@thorin.cs.unc.edu>, hill@degas.cs.unc.edu (Curtis Hill) writes...

} I doubt that Leo got the necklace.  I look for it to be Jacoby, Hawk,
} or Josie.  The gloved hand does make it interesting.

Why Hawk or Josie?

} Big hints for the doubled Laura theory:

} 1) The map behind Cooper during the interrogation of Jacoby.  It had
} Tibet twice, in this fashion:
[fashion deleted]
} Much like the way the murders occured:  on in TP (northeast) one 
} in the southern part of the state.

} 2)  Where was Madeleine from?  Was it the same place that the murder
} occured the previous year?  Joe Bob says check it out.  If this is
} true, then the Tibet map becomes even more interesting.

No, it isn't true. Madeleine said she came from Missoula. I'm assuming
that she means Missoula, Montana. This is southeast of Twin Peaks, not
southwest.

} Of course, who's to say if the "good" one is dead or not.

I've disagreed with the proposed theories that it's really Madeleine
that's dead and Laura is disguising herself as Madeleine. But, I find
Tim Maroney's suggestion has merit -- that Laura is really Laura and
is really dead, but that Madeleine is really the wild child and was
disguising herself as Laura. The only problem is a logistical one.
How to explain that Madeleine was hanging around TP all the time instead
of being back in Missoula. And how to make sure that the two Lauras
(the real one and the Maddy-in-disguise one) weren't seen in different
places at the same time.

} Also, on the night "Laura" died, it was determined she had sex with
} at least 3 men.  First, toss out Bobby and James.  I doubt they could
} have gotten away with it at Bobby's

I'm not convinced. Despite his attempts at meaningful dialogue, Bobby's
father doesn't seem to have much control over Bobby, and the mother
seems like a wallflower.

} and James seemed to be too shy, whatever, according to the Jacoby tape.

The phrase that Laura used was "too sweet". I think James could easily
have been having a physical relationship with her.

Has anyone given thought that the three men might've been Leo, Jacques,
and Bernard?  While Leo seems too obvious to be *the* killer, it's not
clear that he's not involved somehow. And Jacques' mynah bird is a
possible clue.

-- "I've got compassion running outta my nose, pal. I'm the sultan of sentiment." --- jayembee (Jerry Boyajian, DEC, "The Mill", Maynard, MA) UUCP: ...!decwrl!ruby.enet.dec.com!boyajian ARPA: boyajian%ruby.DEC@DECWRL.DEC.COM

Help!  Diane!  I can't get mail to you!

My question was this:  I unshar-ed these things but what now?

Michael
mdm@dartmouth.edu
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Cooper: "Diane, I'm holding in my hand a small box of chocolate bunnies."

>>> >>> = boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy)
>> >> = tim@hoptoad.uucp (Tim Maroney)
> > = boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy)

>>> >>> Still, I feel that Madeline is NOT LP.  First, Albert would have done
>>> >>> found out in the autopsy.

>> >> How?  Mistaken identity is not any pathological syndrome of which I am
>> >> aware.
>> >>
>> >> Dental records could tell them apart, but he'd have to decide to doubt
>> >> the positive identifications by people who knew her well to go to the
>> >> inconvenient step of checking dental records.  What he was after was how
>> >> the girl died, not who she was.

> > Except that if he was thorough enough to discover particles of pumice on
> > the back of her neck, he was *bound* to notice that her hair was dyed,
> > or discovered traces of hair dye.

Just to add some more fuel to the fire....

If the corpse's hair had been dyed, Albert would almost certainly discover
that fact; regardless of whether or not the identity of the corpse was in 
question, Albert would take a sample of the corpse's hair to use as a standard
for comparison against any other hairs found on the body (i.e. to determine
if any stray hairs came from the victim or, potentially, the murderer).  So
unless Albert *really* screwed up an *extremely* routine point of protocol 
(seems unlikely), or he failed, for some reason, to closely examine the sample
he took (also unlikely, especially given that some of his more, um, "involved"
procedures were cut short), he would notice the hair dye.

On the other hand, Albert may have taken the hair sample back with him to his
own (well-equipped) lab for analysis, so it's also possible that, in a future
episode, Albert *will* reveal that the corpse's hair had been dyed. 

---
Barbara Petersen
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    "All breathing generates oxygen radicals, which are the main sources of
     mutations in DNA, leading to cancer, birth defects, and very peculiarly
     shaped molecules in the urine.  Breathing has been observed 3 minutes
     before death in 100% of all fatalities.  We urge everyone to stop 
     breathing until the proper research has been carried out."

>> >> = tim@hoptoad.UUCP (Tim Maroney)
> > = rlr@toccata.rutgers.edu (Rich Rosen)

>> >>                      Meanwhile, in Rippington, Nancy and Yoogie are
>> >> having a snack with their pet budgie Simon, and across the Atlantic,
>> >> Rich Rosen is leading cultists in a horrific sacrifice to Kate Bush....

> > "If I only could, I'd make a deal with God, and I'd get him to SWAP OUR 
> >  PLACES"
> >     -- from Running Up Those Hills
> > by Laura... er, Madelyn... um, Kate (yeah, that's it!), Kate Bush

"Running Up Those Hills" is, of course, the special "Twin Peaks" mix of
the original Kate Bush song, "Running Up That Hill".  Clearly, Kate well
understands the implications of the oft-mentioned "twins/twins with one
of the pair missing" theories....

---
Barbara Petersen
..{apple, claris, dlb, tandem, teraida}!netcom!petersen    petersen@netcom.uucp
          "And a little piece of rope won't hold it together...."

Lynch does like normal families also.  Compare the scenes of
the Hayward family with those mawkish scenes between the
young guy and girl (I can't remember the names) in Blue Velvet
-- especially the scene in the car outside the church and some
of the scenes at the diner.  I think Lynch either finds such
all--American stuff amusing or (if interviews with him are
to be believed) genuinely touching.

Bart

Here's an idea for how Jacoby got the locket which nobody else has pointed
out. Remember where Donna and James met in the woods? Wouldn't it have made
sense for them to meet somewhere that had meaning to them. Particularly 
somewhere they used to go with Laura. For the same reason Jacoby might have
gone to where he used to meet Laura in the woods. While James and Donna were
making the resolution to bury the locket, Jacoby was just off behind a nearby 
tree listening to every word.

Just a thought. Any feedback?

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In article <20956@megaron.cs.arizona.edu> curtis@cs.arizona.edu (Curtis E. Dyreson) writes:
> >                                         Take for instance the sandwich 
> >scene in the 3rd episode.  Was it anything more than deliberate, 
> >juvenile, heavy-handed oddness?  Did it advance the
> >plot or develop the characters or was it simply Lynch saying "Watch me take
> >a normal scene like a reunion and twist it."?  Quite frankly, it was just 
> >silly.  Perhaps it was parody?  Humor?  If the purpose is unclear, the
> >effect is random.  The only purpose that I can fathom it 
> >served was that it set the mood.  Twin Peaks just screams mood.  It is 
> >very stylish.  

I see the Sandwhich scene as very inportant in defining the character of
Benjamin Horne. The point isn't that he likes sandwiches. Take a look at
the *way* he eats it. He inhales the aroma deeply, he stuffs it into his
mouth as far as it will go and takes deep bites. He becomes completely
oblivious the everything else around him (including his wife's obvious
disapproval of his behavior). Benjamin is a man of appetites. Not just
with food, but also with women and power. He spends the day in bed with
his mistress/partner-in-crime Catherine and then spends the night at a
whorehouse. I can see cheating on your wife, but cheating on your mistress?
With a prostitute!? That's low. And anytime it isn't food or women he's 
involved with his lust for power and business deals.

Benjamin Horne IS appetites. That's what the sandwich scene does.


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In article <17880@well.sf.ca.us> mingo@well.sf.ca.us (Charles Hawkins Mingo) writes:
> >Hi There,
> >With all this analyses of various minor details (e.g. significance
> >of color red, favorite brands of gum, etc), I'm surprised that noone has
> >pondered why Agent Cooper asked Deputy Andy to purchase a roll of twine
> >before Cooper visits the vet above the convenience store.  Later, Andy gives
> >Cooper a roll of Finley's Fine Twine (fine=thin or fine=quality ?), but
> >Coop doesn't do anything with it. Why?  I predict the roll of twine will
> >turn up this week.
> >Charlie ('mingo'@well)

Whoops. You missed it. Albert's report identifies the brand of twine as
Finley's Fine Twine. Then Cooper has Andy go to the conveneince store right
next to the vet to see what brand of twine Lydecker was using. Before Andy
hands Cooper the twine he says the name of the brand and then checks it
against the label. Match. Evidence says the vet, Lydecker did it.

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I think llamas are not unusual in the Pacific Northwest.
In the current issue of Central Oregon magazine there is an add
(ad) for the Central Oregon Llama Association -- provides information
on llama ranches and pack trips in the area.  The ad states "llamas
roam ranchlands throughout the region, especially in Sisters, where
500 llamas graze at the 350-acre Patterson Ranch, earning the town
the title 'Llama Capital of America'."  So maybe llamas aren't as
mysterious as some suggest?!

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In article <11231@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
> >In article <VD5#-0#@rpi.edu>, mok@pawl.rpi.edu (Malachi Orion Kelerison) writes...
> >
> >} "Confiscate their files. The bird that killed Laura Palmer is a client
> >} of theirs."
> >
> >I'd have to check, but I'd be surprised if Coop said, "The bird that
> >killed Laura Palmer...". I think she her death was caused by something
> >a lot more serious than a bird-beak.

Actually I double checked, the quote is:
   "The bird that killed Laura Palmer is a client of this office."

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In article <7197@ur-cc.UUCP> bwri_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Ben Wright) writes:
> >One last thing - is anyone else in love with Audrey Horne, or is it just
> >me?

Oh yeah.... not just a pretty face either... if only the character were a few
years older...   :)

Anybody know how old the actress is?

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In article <7197@ur-cc.UUCP>, bwri_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Ben
Wright) writes:
> > 
> > For one thing: a lot of people are hot on the idea of Laura and Madeline
> > switching places.  I persoanlly am not.  However, supposing that the two
> > cousins *did* switch, hair dye seems to be the central hang-up.  As far
> > as I can tell, most people see this as a problem because Laura's dead
> > body (actually Madeline's in this theory) would have evidence of hair
> > dye.  My idea is this - what about Madeline being a natural blonde and
> > Laura, posing as Madeline, is the one with her hair (dyed black)?

The main counter-argument would be that at least one shot of
"Laura" (the victim, anyway) clearly showed blond hair
with dark roots.  If they switched identities, it seems
more likely that they were both natural brunettes.

Either could have dyed to blond, and if they switched when Laura
was blond then she would have had to dye back to brunette
to become Madeleine.  That's unless Madeleine was also blond then,
which might have been long ago.

But if Madeleine was a natural brunette then, and they did switch,
and it wasn't a LONG time ago (to let her hair completely grow out),
"Madeleine" (real Laura) would now have 2 distinctive dyes
on her hair  --  blond under brunette.  Maybe Albert should check
the living as well as the dead.

Or maybe they didn't switch identities after all.  Still,
there's something damned suspicious about "sweet Madeleine"'s
arrival on the scene.


----------------
Paul Raveling
Raveling@isi.edu