Season 2, Episode 06: Demons — November 03–09, 1990

In article <8bBLoc600VsnMFdFRk@andrew.cmu.edu> bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) writes:
> >Excerpts from netnews.alt.tv.twin-peaks: 4-Nov-90 Twin Peaks becoming a
> >ghost.. Bernie Roehl@watserv1.wa (620)
> >
>> >> Twin Peaks: Population 51,194 and dropping...
> >
>> >> Albert "won't be coming back"   :-(
        etc.....
> >
> >Starting population:  51,201
> >
> >Laura is killed.51,200
.
.
.
> >Josie leaves (?).51,195
> >
OK - I have not missed a single episode of TP. I love it as much as the
next person. Of course sometimes I am rater tired when I watch it and my
reception is not very good. BUT - every week I read these sort of bookkeeping
entries on the net, and am I impressed. HOW DO YOU GUYS DO IT???????????

Tell me! Tell me! How many times are people watching TP? Do you take notes on
every subject as you are watching?? Or, when a question comes up do you drag
out each of the episodes, grab a yellow pad, some popcorn and start watching.
Do you have a photographic memory. Do you have a social life? A photographic
memory? Do you enjoy making the rest of us feel stupid?

Does anyone else share my frustartion?

Cooper may not need a floor plan of OEJ's, but Harry would.

In article <684@kaos.MATH.UCLA.EDU>, sherman@oak.math.ucla.edu (William Sherman) writes:
|> Audrey should be in school, and so on.  There are mishaps, however,
|> like "Invitation to Love" on weekends.

That is not a "mishap".  Clearly "Invitation to Love" was a surreal
touch -- a soap opera that was on 24 hours a day and whose action
always mirrored the action in Twin Peaks.

As my wife put it -- "I don't expect Twin Peaks to be consistent with
our reality; I only want it to be consistent in itself."  And yes,
there have been some minor errors, but damn few of them considering
how many characters, plot lines, and clues there are to keep track
of.  Who cares that soap operas aren't shown on weekends in real
life?  (Well, except for Saturdays at 10PM of course).

--
Joe Buck
jbuck@galileo.berkeley.edu {uunet,ucbvax}!galileo.berkeley.edu!jbuck

On my continuing crusade to stop confused people from crying
"continuity error" when it is they, not Twin Peaks, who are
screwed up:

In article <4bBM2lS00VsnEFdHUj@andrew.cmu.edu>, bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu
(Robert Steven Glickstein) writes:
|> 1/0 PilotSaturday, 24-Feb-89
!> (and lots of other dates with the wrong day of the week)
!> ...
|> Note that all of Twin Peaks' teenagers seem to attend high school on
|> Saturdays (the day Laura's body was discovered)!  We know it was 24-Feb
|> because of Laura's "non-secret" diary, and we know it was '89 because
|> Leo was in Hungry Horse a year ago, in '88.
|> Continuity glitches bug the bejeezus out of me.

Get yourself a calendar for 1989, BOB.  24-feb-89 was a FRIDAY.  Your
dates are right; the days of the week are all wrong.



--
Joe Buck
jbuck@galileo.berkeley.edu {uunet,ucbvax}!galileo.berkeley.edu!jbuck

Bernie Roehl writes:
> >Whoever it is, they're currently at the Great Northern.  Several possibilities:
> > 
> > Benjamin- I don't think he'd *let* anybody possess him!
> > Jonathan- Ditto!
> > Andy- my guess is he's out chasing Lucy
> > Myst. Asian- Possibly, but I doubt it
> > Senor Drool Cup- an interesting choice, but unlikely
> > Leland- the front-runner, I suspect

Let's not forget Pete.  He was also at the Great Northern (listening to
the fabulous vocal stylings of Leland Palmer) when we last saw him.

Did Pete have an alibi?  Where was he on the night Laura was killed?
Maybe it was not a coincidence that he discovered Laura's body on the beach?

Daryl Odnert     daryl@hpcllla.cup.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard
Cupertino, CA

The seven sam's came first,
and Boy there are a lot of similarities,  such as the same lines used and every
thing.

I sing of Arms and the Man...no, wait. That's Virgil.


1) MIKE and God. A spirit would be in an even better position than a human
(still clothed in flesh) to see the face of God and be purified. Quite
literally.

2) As many have pointed out, Laura writes that there were pages torn out of 
her diary before it goes to Harold. Pages possibly torn out by BOB.

3) MIKE says of BOB that he was once 'my familiar'. Not 'familiar to/with me'.
This term has but one meaning. BOB 'feeds on fear. And the pleasures. They are
his children.'

4) Cole as a fill-in for Albert. I had thought well established long ago that
Gordon (Lynch) would show up.

5) Many have wondered why MIKE looks like Phillip Gerrard in Cooper's dream.
Possibly it lies with MIKE's saying 'I took off the arm, but remained close to
this vessel.' In more ways than one.

6) BOB as a creation of a deranged Gerrard.  Why then do Sarah, Laura, Ronette,
Leland, and Cooper all see him too. And at least 2 of them also know him as
BOB?

7) CHANTS. No question.

8) Are you SURE that with it's apparent drift to the supernatural, TP isn't
being like Real Life?

9) IMO this last espisode (esp. w/Gerrard) has restored TP's atmosphere. After
reviewing all of last season yesterday, There was a peculiar dark brooding
atmosphere, tinged with the sensation of unfathomed mysteries lurking about.
Cooper also had more of a hard edge (like when he tells Bobby that Coop asks
the questions, and Bobby will answer them. That classic IRS auditor smile.)
Save for the end of the season opener, it's seemed too ...mundane.

10) Hopefully Maddy will not leave (I personally approve of Sheryl's acting
style with her). She has had fairly close encounters with BOB. Surely something
should come of it.

11) When will James finally get Donna to snap out harlot/spoiled brat mode?

12) $5000 => $700 is pretty steep even for equipment and such. ACLU time on
this one. Except, that would bring too much attention..:-)

              -J

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In article <0bBLt8C00Vsn0FdGNE@andrew.cmu.edu> bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) writes:
> >
> >Many of the significant clues that we've seen or heard on Twin Peaks
> >have been followed up on.  Here are some that haven't.  Any ideas,
> >anyone?
> >

> >1.  "That gum you like is going to come back in style."


"That gum you like is coming back in style" has no meaning.  I wish 
people would stop worrying about it. 

I once dreamed that I attended a wake for William Butler Yeats. 
Leaving the house (after setting it on fire), I found a picket 
line at the gate to the estate.  Leading the pickets was Jean 
Paul Sartre, who carried a sign that read, "WE PROTEST THE 
FRIVOLITY OF YOUR DESPAIR."

Those were significant features of the dream. 

However, earlier in the dream Noel Coward was playing the piano and 
Beatrice Lilly was doing her rope-of-pearls-as-hula-hoop routine.  
That was the equivalent of "That gum you like."   

In other words, not every single element of a dream is important. 
Some are just for laughs.  The unconscious is very witty, and 
sometimes it gets downright silly.  

That note of silliness in Cooper's dream struck me as just right -- 
very realistically dream-like. 

--Barbara 

--
Barbara HlavinOh I am a cat that likes to 
twain@blake.acs.washington.eduGallop about doing good.
U Washington JC-21/Seattle 98105  -Stevie Smith

Love your Organization: field, but I'm going to have to put you out of
business, I'm afraid!

In article <2Jo5R3w163w@bigtime.covs.or.us> larry@bigtime.covs.or.us (Larry Gilbert) writes:
> >* Will the series continue?  My personal opinion is "no."  Michael Ontkean,
> >  appearing on the Arsenio Hall show a month or two ago, said that all the
> >  episodes had been shot, and they had even been available on video in Europe
> >  for some time.

This is patently false.  They may have been shot (I doubt it) but they
are certainly not available on video in Europe.  Considering that
they're only a few shows into the first season on the BBC, this is not
surprising.

> >  Who knows; maybe Lynch & Frost will break down and write some new stories.
> >  But to me, the series works best as a "one-off" (the makers of "The Prisoner"
> >  never followed him around after his escape, did they?).

No, they didn't.  I agree that TP could work as a one-off, but it
looks like they're gearing up for the long haul now.  Whether or not
this is a good idea... well, we'll have to wait and see how the shows
turn out, won't we?

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kaufman@delta.eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman):
> >Is it my imagination, or did Coopers conversation with Horne include the
> >following?  Cooper called Renualt John and then Horne called him Jean.  

You're gonna hate this but....

"Jean" IS "John", en francais, of course!

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Bernie Roehl) writes:
> > who's BOB inhabiting now?
> > Whoever it is, they're currently at the Great Northern

Maybe not!!  The Law jumped to the conclusion that MIKE was referring to 
the Great Northern.  However, there are a number of other establishments 
that fit MIKE's description:  One Eyed Jacks, the abortion clinic, ....

I'm still trying to figure out how they're going to finger Pete for this...


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Ooo.  Someone else with the Doc Hayward theory...  I was afraid to
post that because it seems so out of whack, but I've been wondering
about him myself.  Laura refers to him only a couple of times in her
diary, but he seems to be the only one she loves/trusts without
question.  Hmmm...

--k

hi!  are you folks sick of the theme music to twin peaks yet?
do you find it necessary to mute the volume during the opening
credits of the show?  is this subject too boring fory you.???

the walrus was Laura.

This may just be the product of a faulty memory but weren't there some
missing pages in Laura's first ("non-secret") diary?

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How in the world could Harold Smith have killed Laura Palmer if Harold
can't leave his apartment?  More accurately, how would he have gotten the body
to the water?

-- David Konerding, Wesleyan University (Rafael Juarez, SCA, Dragonship Haven, East Kingdom) DKONERDING@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU "I have a cause: obscenity. I'm for it." -- Tom Lehrer

How many people thought that the stuff that Harold was spraying on
his flowers after Donna & Maddy escaped was the mysterious blue goo???
:-) :-} :-{}

Marc Peters 
physi-bs@garnet.berkeley.edu
no .sig yet...........

In article <114030011@hpcuhd.HP.COM> grega@hpcuhd.HP.COM (Number 6)
writes about:

>>> >>> The songs chosen must be significant. So far I've heard
>>> >>> "Pennslyvania 7-5000" (I probably have this title wrong),
>> >> Pennsylvania 6500 - Maybe a reference to the train car?

and says:

> >Pennsylvania 6-5000, phone number of a famous hotel whose name I've forgotten.

The Pennsylvania Hotel, a very large hotel opposite Penn Station, New
York, and a classy place to stay back when most people travelled by
rail.  It had a a large ballroom and nightclub, and performances there
by big bands were broadcast live on the radio.

It is now run as the New York Penta, and the phone number is still
(212) 736-5000--I checked!

--------------------------------------------------

As to railroad clues: The Great Northern Hotel appears to be named for
the Great Northern Railway, main line Minneapolis to Seattle, the most
northerly of the USA transcontinentals.  Mythical Twin Peaks, near the
Canadian border, could plausibly have been a stopover point on the GN.
The railroad car may even be a GN coach (or baggage car, from the open
interior).  I didn't catch a name on it.  The derelict car is
apparently part of a tourist steam line between Snoqualmie and North
Bend, where the other locations are shot, and they may have some old
GN equipment even though the actual line was I think Milwaukee Road.

Using the song PEnnyslvania6-5000 may be a really twisted clue to
connect another railroad hotel to WKLP, but I kind of doubt it.

Joe Brennan

lwv27@CAS.BITNET writes:

> >14. What is this stuff about a Mexican dog that Coop's boss is taking
> >about - and what did they mean by Coop being 'out of the shoot' in
> >Philly?

I think he said 'out of the chute' i.e., 'from the very beginning'.

My question is, what was Cooper talking about when he asked the OAM
if he'd ever "picked his feet in Poughkeepsie?"

dale

In article <4bBM2lS00VsnEFdHUj@andrew.cmu.edu>, bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu
(Robert Steven Glickstein) writes:
> > Excerpts from netnews.alt.tv.twin-peaks: 3-Nov-90 Re: Re: What did
Andy
> > hear .. Mark Collier@hpsmpk.HP.C (1137)
> > 
>> > > Could
>> > > someone post a list of episodes which shows what major events
occurred on
>> > > what days? It would go something like this:
> > 
> > Sure.

Here's the same list annotated with the actual episode number:

> 1/0 PilotSaturday, 24-Feb-89
1001> 1/1 Fish in the PercolatorSunday
1002> 1/2 Tibetan Rock-ThrowingMonday
1003> 1/3 FuneralTuesday
1004> 1/4 The One-Armed ManWednesday, 28-Feb-89
1005> 1/5 The CabinThursday, 1-Mar-89
1006> 1/6 Waldo's StoryFriday
1007> 1/7 CliffhangersFriday night
> 
2001> 2/0 Season 2 PremiereSaturday, 3-Mar-89
2002> 2/1 Creamed CornSunday
2003> 2/2 Albert Loves HarryMonday
2004> 2/3 Andy's Fertility RitesTuesday
2005> 2/4 Audrey's RescueWednesday
2006> 2/5 Gordon Pops InThursday


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In article <10985@pt.cs.cmu.edu>, cwk@ORCRIST.GANDALF.CS.CMU.EDU (Charles Krueger) writes:
> > 
> > Yow!  After reviewing my tape I must agree that it was BOB!  Note that the 
> > previous scene was an owl.
> > ---------------
I must disagree!

If I'm not mistaken, they take Audrey to the Bookhouse Boys' building,
and the long haired fellow is one of the bookhouse boys.  Also, the guy's chin
looked too pointy.  Anyone with a _really_ good copy of the show willing to
review for sure/

-- David Konerding, Wesleyan University (Rafael Juarez, SCA, Dragonship Haven, East Kingdom) DKONERDING@EAGLE.WESLEYAN.EDU "I have a cause: obscenity. I'm for it." -- Tom Lehrer

In article <224@stbimbo.UUCP> tok@stbimbo.UUCP (Terry Kane) writes:

> >so forth.  My latin teacher was very big on exposing us to lechers in
> >Roman History; 

No, no.  Your teacher was exposing you to *lectures* in Roman Hisory.
Lechers expose *themselves*.

:)

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "I happen to sweat profusely." -- Ted Kaldis

Er, spoilers ahead for the most recent (11/3) episode...

It sounds to my ears that Cooper's voice, when he recites the line of
the poem during the interrogation of Mike via the OAM, has the "I am
possessed" effect applied to it.

Others have indicated they thought it was just the voice of Mike
chiming in at the same time as Coop's, but Mike's voice doesn't sound
at all like the added deepness of Cooper's, either before or after.
Perhaps Coop has an otherworld partner that will aid in the capture of
BOB?  Perhaps BOB is the spirit that inhabited Coop's insane partner?
P-K4: their game has begun?

Not that I think it's worth too much analysis -- unlike analysing the
great works of literature, the answers will be given to us next week :-)

Pete Harlan
harlan@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu

* Other Great Moment: Leland showing his lawyer/crafty side for the
  first time in the series...

In article <1990Nov4.172351.21080@watserv1.waterloo.edu> broehl@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Bernie Roehl) writes:
> >
> >Albert "won't be coming back"   :-(

This is not true.  I heard a radio interview a couple of weeks ago with the
actor who plays Albert (Miguel Ferrer) and he said that Albert will be back
in episode 9 of the season.  This episode is supposed to be a VERY important
one.

Dave Knight
dknight@elm.sdd.trw.com

Every one is asking "How is BOB inhabiting/possesing...?"
Well, MIKE said "BOB *needs* a human host." (emphasis added) could it be
that BOB is currently a disemboided sprit after one of his previous
hosts (Leo maybe??) has been renedered incapable?

The only person in the Twin Peaks universe capable of doing battle with the evil BOBl
BOB is Nadine Hurley: the original Superwoman. Lynch is definitely prepareing
a circumstance where Nadine will use her superpowers for the benefit of the
characters. What better way to do this than with a battle with BOB.
"Gazebo!" - Jacoby

In article <1427@urbana.mcd.mot.com> rnoe@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Roger Noe) writes:
> >In next week's episode, Cooper is going to learn that his deduction that
> >BOB must be in the Great Northern is incorrect.  BOB is going to turn out
> >to be the alter ego of veterinarian Bob Lydecker, much as MIKE is the
> >alter ego of Philip Michael Gerard (the one-armed man).  Bob Lydecker is
> >not going to look anything like the sketch, since the sketch is not of
> >a physical human being, but of the psychic being BOB.  Lydecker is of course
> >in a large house surrounded by trees, with many rooms, all alike, but
> >occupied by different souls from one night to the next - Calhoun Memorial
> >Hospital.  The pages of Laura's secret diary found not far from the site
> >of her murder were torn out and kept by Laura before she gave her secret
> >diary to Harold.

This sounds very good to me.  The only objection I have is that Cooper's
strong hunch (that it's the Great Northern) would be incorrect, a first
for Cooper (as far as we know).

> >Cooper's former partner, Windom/Windham/Wyndumb Earl, shot Cooper in a sort
> >of bizarre game of "tag".  We're going to learn that Earl used to play games
> >of deduction with Cooper, and now that Earl's gone a little wacko, he's
> >taken things to an extreme.  But of course, he knew Cooper had his body
> >armor on and believed Cooper wouldn't suffer major injury.  What he didn't
> >know is that Cooper had been trying to get at a wood tick.

Again, agreed.

> >Earl took Cooper's
> >ring, which will probably be a "team ring" given upon graduating from the
> >FBI Academy or something.

I disagree here... too much information from the Giant is correct.  And what
of the Major's printout.

Good deducing, though...

-- Bernie Roehl, University of Waterloo Electrical Engineering Dept Mail: broehl@watserv1.waterloo.edu OR broehl@watserv1.UWaterloo.ca BangPath: {allegra,decvax,utzoo,clyde}!watmath!watserv1!broehl Voice: (519) 885-1211 x 2607 [work]

Some probably very trustworthy person writes:

> >I am in desperate need of a video tape of Saturday's episode (11/3).

> >I am willing to pick up all reasonable costs in association with aquiring
> >one.

We see postings like this pretty often.  I thought about how I 
would feel if I missed an episode, so I helped two people by
sending them tapes.  Neither has ever responded, let alone
reimbursed me.  You know who you are.  Now you have my address.

--  maggie

P.S.  Next time I'm naming names!

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In article <1990Nov4.175239.21701@watserv1.waterloo.edu> broehl@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Bernie Roehl) writes:
> >So the remaining question is, who's BOB inhabiting now?
> >
> >Whoever it is, they're currently at the Great Northern.  Several possibilities:

Why the Great Northern?  That was Coopers conclusion, but I first thought
of OEJ's also the Jail qualifies too.

"A place surrounded by trees, with many rooms all alike occupied with
 different people."

__
Doug Davis/4409 Sarazen/Mesquite Texas, 75150/214-270-9226
{texsun|lawnet|smu}!letni!doug     doug@letni.lonestar.org

                                                 "Laura Palmer died of bordom."

In article <110351@uunet.UU.NET> rbj@uunet.UU.NET (Root Boy Jim Cottrell) 
writes:
> > In article <JYM.90Oct30213243@remarque.berkeley.edu> 
jym@remarque.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer) writes:
>>> > >> Lucy says she is going "down" to Tacoma.  If TP is in the NE
>>> > >> corner of Washington then I think she would say:  going "over"
>>> > >> to Tacoma. . . . Seems like a writer's fax paux to me.
>> > >|S|eems like a viewer's over-obsessiveness to me.  "Down" can
>> > >`-' mean just about any which way.  Maine is "down east,"
>> > >    after all.
> > 
> > One can say anything they like. That doesn't make it correct.
> > I live in DC. I can go up to Baltimore or down to Richmond, but
> > not vice versa. I can also go over to Annapolis. I can go out
> > to Leesburg, which is in the country.
> > 
> > One can also go down in elevation, even tho one is traveling north.
> > Ditto for downtown, and by corollary, uptown could be south.
> > 
> > While I would not charge the writer with a faux pas, it does
> > bother me in general conversation when people mix up/down without
> > even the slightest regard for minimal exactitude.

Write your Congressman.

Sheesh!



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In article <10574@milton.u.washington.edu> jespah@milton.u.washington.edu (Kathleen Hunt) writes:
> >Leland is damned

Of course!  He's a DAMNED fine attorney, you know.

> >I agree with the person who said the "vik-yoo-na" hair might be from 

It's 'vy-KOON-ya'.

(The things I tell you might be wrong, but not usually.)


>> Bill Sherman sherman@math.ucla.edu <<

       "That's not writing; that's just typing."   Truman Capote

In article <4bBM2lS00VsnEFdHUj@andrew.cmu.edu> bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) writes:
> >
> >1/0 PilotSaturday, 24-Feb-89
(etc.)

Somebody just posted the fact that this doesn't match the calendar.
Well, more importantly, it doesn't match references on the show as
to what day it is.  School days, the Haywards going to church,
the funeral being referred to as being on Monday, Cooper saying
Audrey should be in school, and so on.  There are mishaps, however,
like "Invitation to Love" on weekends.


>> Bill Sherman sherman@math.ucla.edu <<

       "That's not writing; that's just typing."   Truman Capote

   I claim the note (chess DEAL [sic]) Wyndham Earl sent Cooper is
incompatible with his trying to kill him without warning.

   Some of you may remember I have a vested interest in who DID shoot Cooper

   ``Laura, we didn't bury you deep enough.''

In article <0bBLt8C00Vsn0FdGNE@andrew.cmu.edu> bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Glickstein) writes:
> >2.  The dark shadow moving across the red curtains.  An owl, or
> >    other bird?  Related to the dark shadow that Maddy saw on the living
> >    room carpet?

It's parallelogram-shaped.  Not a bird, nor a boot, nor the state of
Texas.  It's also not related to David Lynch, and it isn't Pete.
Also, it didn't play Mr. Homm, and ... and ...

New question: we all know about the nepotism over at Lynch/Frost, what
with Austin J. Lynch and Warren Frost getting parts.  What I want to
know is: are Caleb Deschanel (the director) and Mary Jo Deschanel
(Eileen Hayward) related?  Married?  Anything?  Mr. Raveling, do you
have the inside scoop on this one?


>> Bill Sherman sherman@math.ucla.edu <<

       "That's not writing; that's just typing."   Truman Capote

In article <1990Nov5.183249.9353@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> floom@mars.UUCP (Laura Floom) writes:
> >Do you have a photographic memory. Do you have a social life? A photographic
> >memory? Do you enjoy making the rest of us feel stupid?

1) No.
2) That's classified.
3) I already told you.
4) Yes.  That comes from being a math TA.  B^)


>> Bill Sherman sherman@math.ucla.edu <<

       "That's not writing; that's just typing."   Truman Capote

In article <1990Nov5.110137.246@cho006.cho.ge.com> campbell_d@cho006.cho.ge.com writes:
> >
> >  I wonder if Laura's death resulted from BOB possessing Laura's body, 
> >MIKE possessing Ronette's body, and Laura's body dying in the resultant 
> >train car fight?  The spirit of BOB lived on to occupy many souls in the 
> >Great Northern, including whoever shot Cooper.  BOB put the blue chemical
> >into Ronette's IV to suppress MIKE.
[stuff deleted...]
> >   Without chemicals, he points.  So, when does Coop get his ring back?

    I think the "without chemicals" clue was only accomplished last episode
(11/3).  Forget about the blue stuff in the IV and the empty syringe.  
When Cooper didn't give the OAM his medicine, MIKE was allowed back in.
Then MIKE gave the most definitive pointers yet about the identity and
location of BOB. 

    I agree Coop should be seeing that giant kind of guy real soon. 

Elizabeth E. LeClair (lecl@midway.uchicago.edu) 
International House 
University of Chicago

Doug writes:
> >  I wonder if Laura's death resulted from BOB possessing Laura's body, 
> >MIKE possessing Ronette's body, and Laura's body dying in the resultant 
> >train car fight?  The spirit of BOB lived on to occupy many souls in the 
> >Great Northern, including whoever shot Cooper.  BOB put the blue chemical
> >into Ronette's IV to suppress MIKE.

I've been thinking along these lines, too, but also wondering about the
"Bob requires a human host" possibly having the meaning that MIKE does
*not* require (necessarily) a human host.  Let's remember that Laura died
of blood loss from multiple shallow wounds.  Could it be that BOB was
indeed inside of Laura, and that MIKE was in a non-human host (the owls?
one owl?) attacking Laura?  Can someone else together with the scene of
Laura and the "Killer Bob" human being in the train car (Ronette's vision)
into any sort of coherent theory?

Another question: why is the blue chemical in Ronette's IV assumed to be
the same thing as in Girard's syringe?  I didn't see any blue fluid in
Girard's syringe--only a blue needle hub (common color for disposable needle
hubs), and besides, Haldol (haloperidol) is not blue in color.

--Fiona O.

In article <AbBRpP_00Vpe09ckcr@andrew.cmu.edu> rk3h+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert J. Knapp) writes:
> >Every one is asking "How is BOB inhabiting/possesing...?"
> >Well, MIKE said "BOB *needs* a human host." (emphasis added) could it be
> >that BOB is currently a disemboided sprit after one of his previous
> >hosts (Leo maybe??) has been renedered incapable?

I hate to be picky but
"BOB *requires* a human host".
"requires" doesn't take a stand one way or the other on the issue of 
whether he/it has one.

Are there any other people out there hoping the whole BOB thread is
a clever smokescreen by a mundane murderer? After all, Cooper is clearly
susceptible to suggestions of this kind, and the one-armed man could
be either simply a crazy or the murderer ( "I'll cast suspicion on
an unearthly spirit, that's the ticket" ) or duped by the murderer.
I started to lose interest when I first heard the "human host" line
as a preview.

Another BTW: all the previews so far have been deceptive in that a 
picture is shown and sound from another point in the show heard.
Maybe we shouldn't take them so seriously?

Sam


Next stop was UCLA, with its proximity to movie-star champagne and swimming 
pools large enough to drive stolen cattle trucks into, which he did so often
he began to list it as a hobby on his resume. 
Sam NeedhamUCLA Math Grad Student

In article <1990Nov5.110137.246@cho006.cho.ge.com> campbell_d@cho006.cho.ge.com writes:
> >  "Mister" Tojimura is definitely Catherine.  Having her run into Pete 
> >at the milk bar was hilarious!  I'll bet the $5,000,000 check which Ben 
> >gave to Josie is a bouncer.
> >-  Doug

You can't bounce or cancel a cashiers check, but you can forge one! :)
I can't believe that Ben didn't even look at Josie's contract to see
if it had Pete's signature before giving Josie the check.

Maybe Mr. Neff and Catherine worked out some devious plan involving a 
forged cashiers check.  Say Fumio=Catherine, and Fumio's assistant
is Catherine's paid agent.  The asian agent, being a private
detective of sorts, is an expert in disguise, and disguises Catherine.
Being asian himself, he would be a good choice to train her
in asian manerisms and inflections.  Fumio's assistant was first seen
at the great northern the day before the mill burns down.
(Audrey sees him for a few seconds down the hall from Cooper's room)



Michael Kaye horny@ucscb.ucsc.edu  read the secret diary before this saturday!

In article <1990Nov5.205520.10170@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>,
brennan@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan) writes:
 
> > As to railroad clues: The Great Northern Hotel appears to be named
for
> > the Great Northern Railway, main line Minneapolis to Seattle, the
most
> > northerly of the USA transcontinentals.  Mythical Twin Peaks, near
the
> > Canadian border, could plausibly have been a stopover point on the
GN.

The Great Northern mainline runs about due east from Spokane,
as does the Northern Pacific.  However the GN has (or at least
had) a couple spurs in that area, and one ended pretty close
to the given site of Twin Peaks.

BTW, the Great Northern mainline takes a northern route across
Washington, going north from Seattle and turning east at Everett
to cross the Cascades.  The Northern Pacific mainline runs east
from Seattle, then takes a loop around the south side of the
state, turning north at the Tri-Cities for the run to Spokane.
I don't recall for sure, but the part just east of Spokane may
be one of those stretches where these Twin Pikes run side-by-side.

> > The railroad car may even be a GN coach (or baggage car, from the
open
> > interior).  I didn't catch a name on it.  The derelict car is
> > apparently part of a tourist steam line between Snoqualmie and North
> > Bend, where the other locations are shot, and they may have some old
> > GN equipment even though the actual line was I think Milwaukee Road.

Last spring Scott Frost confirmed my suspicion about the identity
of this old rolling stock.  The trouble is I no longer remember
whether my suspicion was that it belonged to the Great Northern
or the Northern Pacific.

As another minor footnote, my wife and I are about to become
docents at the California State Railroad Museum.  One of the
cars in the museum that our training has emphasized is RPO
(Railway Post Office) car #42, which ran on the Empire Builder.
In passenger service the Empire Builder was Great Northern's greatest.


------------------
Paul Raveling
Raveling@Unify.com

In article <1990Nov5.145304.35433@eagle.wesleyan.edu> dkonerding@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Rafael Juarez, SCA) writes:
> >
> >How in the world could Harold Smith have killed Laura Palmer if Harold
> >can't leave his apartment?  More accurately, how would he have gotten the body
> >to the water?

Possessed people do things they wouldn't ordinarily do.
If BOB possesses Harold, there then would be no reason why he couldn't
leave.

He would get the body to the water by carrying it there.

Other possibilities include
1) Harold lied, he can leave any time he wants.
2) He fears to leave usually, but something about that night
made his desire to follow Laura greater than his desire to stay indoors.
Maybe he's really worried or curious about Laura that night.

3) Laura talks him into following her that night, to get him out of
the house, and so that Ronette can meet her special friend.


I don't understand people's reasoning on why Ben couldn't be a suspect.
I've heard things like that Ben wouldn't let himself be possessed,
or that his actions are based on greed, and are inconsistant with what
BOB would do.  If someone is possessed, they could act like they
normally do 99% of the time, and then once in a rare while do
BOB's bidding, unaware of their actions while possessed.
In other words a characters behaivior during the show isn't a good 
reason to think they aren't possessed.  Doc Hayward could be possessed.  
I think it's pretty arbitrary to think to a given character could resist 
possession.  

I still think Leland did it though. :)


Michael Kaye  horny@ucscb.ucsc.edu

fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeffrey Davis) writes:


> >Last week's episode was both one of the most entertaining and dismaying
> >shows yet. In terms of pace, mix of humor and oddness, and focus...everything
> >was A-OK! But it now seems that the bug bear theorists have the field,
> >and, pardon my gustibus, that stinks. All the grab bag of Grand Guignol
> >goodies -- hants, afreets, vampires, etc. -- are D-U-L-L. Mixing in
> >anything of the paranormal is Stuporville in terms of drama.
   [extra musings deleted]

I have to say I am little dismayed by repeated postings that state, "if
the killer turns out to be... ...I'll vomit up my spleen."  I hate to inject
reality into this otherwise breazy stroll down looney lane, but the answer to
WKLP can only be anti-climactic.  After so much build up, so much analysis, so
much waiting, and so many false clues how can any answer truly satisfy the
anticipation that has built up.  If WKLP is firmly resolved on the 11/10
episode we will all be in for a huge let down.  Even those who guessed right
will only celebrate and gloat briefly, and then be left empty inside.  There is
no way possible for the writers to pen any script that will be so mind
bogglingly fantastic that eveyone will rejoice at being enlightened by the
knowledge of WHO KILLED LAURA PALMER.

It is an old but true saying that, "Having something can never instill
passion so much as wanting something."  What I want is to go on wanting to know
WKLP.  It will be a sad night indeed if WKLP is neatly tied up and put to rest
on November 10.  If the WKLP mystery could continualy be held out like a carrot
on a stick, a tantalizing temptation, so close but yet so far away, for the
entire season I think I would go insane.  But it would be a good kind of
insanity.  An insanity I could curl up with and keep for my very own, and revel
in it as a companion to my weirdness.  May WKLP remain an eternal mystery.  I
gotta' have some fun you know.



I'm a greedy slob.  I can't help it.  It's my hobby!
--Daffy Dumas Duck
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doog@travis.ssd.csd.harris.com (Doug Scofield) writes:

> >   "... before you were three men in a boat, but now you're
> >    a whole town."

> >Why three men (Laura's pre-death partners: Jacques, Leo, {Andy?}) 
> >and why "in a boat" (Laura)?  Yes, i know the clitoral "man in a boat" 
> >metaphor. ;-)

I can't believe nobody here ever saw "Three Men In A Boat".  Tim
Curry (Dr Frankenfurter in "Rocky Horror Picture Show"), one of the
Monty Python Crew, and someone else whose name escapes me as well.

It's just another movie reference, folks.
-- " . . . within a nanometer (about a billionth of a yard) . . . " Reader's Digest, November 1990, pp. 31

Why the Blue Drug in Ronette's IV?

If the drug prevents possession and whoever administered it knows this
(a safe bet), then who were they trying to prevent from possessing
Ronette?  Bob?  Mike?  Either answer is fascinating.

And who administered it?
-- " . . . within a nanometer (about a billionth of a yard) . . . " Reader's Digest, November 1990, pp. 31

In article <44018@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> v101pyrw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
> >In article <90305.030246KPURCELL@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK>, KPURCELL@LIVERPOOL.AC.UK writes...
> ><...>
>> >>Can somebody send me info on the Secret Diary (author, publisher, etc)...
>> >><...>
> ><...>
> >"The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer" was written by Jennifer Lynch (Lynch's 22
> >year old daughter).  I have no idea who published it...
> ><...>

the publisher is:

Pocket Books
1230 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY  10020

-tim(there'sthingsyoucan'tgetinbooks)r
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In article <8499@darkstar.ucsc.edu> horny@ucscl.UCSC.EDU (Michael Kaye) writes:
> >In article <1990Oct31.231327.18226@supernet.haus.com> cluther@supernet.haus.com (Clay Luther) writes:
> >$<...>
> >$I definitely saw the letters "FBI".  For some reason, I don't think it is the
> >$same wallet as the wallet Hank took from the DA.  Hank got it somewhere else.
> >
> >What you saw on the ID was "BUREAU OF INVESTIGATIONS".
> >It's the state bureau though, not federal.  It says that on the ID too,
> >but in teeny blurry print at the bottom.  State of Washington.
> >They say as much about the ID owner in the show at least once too, and
> >he acts in this capacity at Leo's hearing.  Hank did get it off the DA 
> >at the diner...
> ><...>

just for yucks, it also listed his:

Birthdate: 04/18/50

Hair color: red

Weight: 325

...and think height too.

-timr
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In article <18272@know.pws.bull.com> suedoe@PWS.BULL.COM (Susan Doe) writes:
> >
> >hi!  are you folks sick of the theme music to twin peaks yet?
> >do you find it necessary to mute the volume during the opening
> >credits of the show?  is this subject too boring fory you.???
> >

...well, considering that i tape the episode to watch at a later time,
i just f-foward thru the opening credits and commercials...so i'm not
sick of it yet

console cowboy

My VCR burped on 11/3.  I would like to get a VHS copy from someone.
Email directly to me.

Thanks in Advance.

John Lengeling
john@bradley2.bradley.edu

In article <1504@gandalf.littlei.UUCP> hutch@hutch.intel.com (Stephen Hutchison) writes:
> ><...>
> >I recall him saying it was 2 hours east of Spokane on HWY 2...

can anyone confirm this?

> >except that HWY 2 does NOT go due east, and I'm not convinced
> >it even passes thru Spokane.

it does.  i been on it many times (years ago)--it originates in Everett
(about 30 miles north of Seattle) and heads east.  it goes through my
birthplace of Leavenworth, crosses the Columbia at Wenatchee, then heads
across to Spokane.  from there it goes about 30 miles north, then 15
miles north-northeast before it's crosses over into Idaho at Newport.

> >However, there IS a highway which goes due east from Spokane,

interstate 90.

> >and 2 hours takes you to St Regis, which is in Montana.

indeed.

> ><...>
> >However, the climate in that area is NOTHING like the Twin Peaks climate.
> >It's still deserty and cold and not a lot of rainfall...
> ><...>

i think everything in Twin Peaks but the Idaho border reference puts
it in the Cascade mountains somewhere.  i had the same idea as Tim
Shippert that the Twin Peaks Washington state is "squished up on the
western side of the Cascades" (mayhaps the giant did it to make sure
Cooper showed up).
that still doesn't explain the 2 hours east of Spokane bit, but it
does a lot else.

-tim(whereami?)r
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In article <9858@helios.TAMU.EDU> bell@cs.tamu.edu (Will Bell) writes:
> >          eliminate the need for crossposting to a.t.t-p and r.a.t, and would
> >          enable many more people to engage in the discussion of this show.

I love the show, I love a.t.t-p but I think creating a rec group
for Twin Peaks is a really bad idea.  I'm sorry there are netters
whose sites don't receive Altnet, but I don't think the solution
to their problem should be the wholesale re-creation of popular
alt groups on Usenet proper.  

> >         |It has been proposed that this group be removed when Twin Peaks
> >         |is cancelled.  Discussion then would revert back to r.a.tv.       

Why wouldn't discussion revert back to alt.tv.twin-peaks? 



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I don't know if this has been mentioned here already. In 11/03's episole
David Lynch played as Agent Cooper's boss (Cole?). I didn't realize this
until I re-watched the tape the second time and noticed Lynch is in
the acting name list and I remembered a photo of Lynch in the set of
"Wild Orchard" a few months ago in a paper.

The role is a pretty cool one, as other roles in T.P. always.

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In article <1990Nov5.175405.15390@athena.mit.edu>, cbullin@athena.mit.edu (Carrie L Bullington) writes:
> > In article <4747@trantor.harris-atd.com> chuck@trantor.harris-atd.com (Chuck Musciano) writes:
>> > >
>> > >     I just received the latest catalog from the Tremmel T-Shirt Factory
>> > >in Dallas, and they offer a shirt with "DAMN GOOD COFFEE" in what look to 
>> > >be 4" letters.
>> > >
> > I saw "Who killed Laura Palmer" t-shirts at the Newbury Comics
> > located in the Student Center at MIT, if any fellow MIT-Neters
> > are interested

     My local paper (Orlando Sentinel) reported sightings of T-shirts that
said "Laura Palmer was bored to death".  No mention of how to obtain one.

-- Chuck Musciano ARPA : chuck@trantor.harris-atd.com Harris Corporation Usenet: ...!uunet!x102a!trantor!chuck PO Box 37, MS 3A/1912 AT&T : (407) 727-6131 Melbourne, FL 32902 FAX : (407) 729-2537 A good newspaper is never good enough, but a lousy newspaper is a joy forever. -- Garrison Keillor

In article <1990Nov3.225449.26483@rice.edu>, fi@whittaker.rice.edu (Fiona Oceanstar) writes...
> >Apologies if this has already been discussed, but are we *sure*
> >there was a blue chemical in the syringe that the one-armed man
> >dropped?  On reviewing my tape, it looks like the syringe is
> >empty, and the blue part is just the plastic hub of the needle.
> >Look at it this way: if the blue part is *not* the hub of the
> >needle, then where *is* the hub of the needle?  (Needle hubs
> >are frequently just that shade of blue plastic, by the way.)
> > 
> >--puzzled, Fiona O.

Now that we've seen the 11/3 episode, I'm positive the needle
was still full, i.e. the OAM never injected himself. We now know that the
chemical helped suppress the emergence of MIKE, the occupying spirit, in the
OAM. In the bathroom scene, MIKE clearly take over the OAM. Remeber the
voice chance and the quote, "This time I'm after you!"

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In article <687@kaos.MATH.UCLA.EDU> sam@math.ucla.edu (Sam Needham) writes:
> >
> >Are there any other people out there hoping the whole BOB thread is
> >a clever smokescreen by a mundane murderer? 

I've posted before that I hope for a worldly resolution...I mean, look at the
range of speculation on BOB's human hosts? There are no "rules" in that
knife fight...BOB could play checkers with his "hosts"  --- here there
and everywhere. Just imagine if the Double-Mint Twins showed up. 2 -- 2 -- 2
BOBs in 1! Grid willing, there won't be triplets or we'd have a whole new
heresy to deal with.         

-- Jeff Davis davis@keats.ca.uky.edu Nobody knows, from sea to shining sea, why we are having all this trouble with our republic.

In article <1990Nov2.171916.21545@csc.ti.com> mccarty@aaet.csc.ti.com (Rick McCarty) writes:
> >What TP costumes did others encounter/wear?

I was Dr. Jacoby.  Wig, red/blue glasses, false beard & mustache, new
eyebrows, Hawaiian shirt, white tie loosened somewhat, white Japanese
kimono.  Few people knew who I was supposed to be-- damned few!  I guess
no one watches TV anymore.   Someone who does watch TP said that I was
a dead ringer for the Doctor.  
--
 Daniel Pearl      Concurrent Computer Corporation, Westford, Massachusetts USA
(508) 392-2478danny@westford.ccur.com

i am just starting to get into this news group.  also, i missed a bit of
each of the last two episodes.  could someone fill me in on 2 things :

a)when(what episode) and who(if it's known) was this blue stuff put into
R.'s i.v.?

b)what is the story with coop's partner(Wyndham Earl?) and Pittsburgh(i
think someone quoted Gordon Cole a few days back as saying Poughkeepsie,
but i'm pretty sure it's Pittsburgh, but hey, wot 'da i kno....)

thanks for replies in advance

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In article <1990Nov2.171916.21545@csc.ti.com> mccarty@aaet.csc.ti.com (Rick McCarty) writes:
> >                                     I only know of one TP costume - someone
> >did Agent Cooper.  The one I expected to see the most was a LP, wrapped in
> >plastic.  But I didn't see one.

I'm curious.  How does someone do an Agent Cooper costume?  I would
imagine someone who happens to have a striking resemblence to
Coop could take advantage of that.

-- Scott Amspoker Basis International, Albuquerque, NM (505) 345-5232 unmvax.cs.unm.edu!bbx!bbxsda!scott

I have no idea, so in the spirit of this group I'll plunge ahead.... :-)
                          ^^^^^^
When the Judge ordered 'em I surmised that they are made with coffee and
Yukon Jack.

Bob

daryl@hpcldko.HP.COM (Daryl Odnert):

> >Did Pete have an alibi?  Where was he on the night Laura was killed?
> >Maybe it was not a coincidence that he discovered Laura's body on the beach?

I personally doubt that Pete did it, but I'm reminded of "Morse's Law"
(that's Chief Inspector Morse) which states that the person who found the
body has at least a 50% chance of being the killer.  Furthermore, according
to Morse, the person who last saw the deceased alive has an almost 100%
chance of being his murderer!

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       "Picking your feet" in Poughkeepsie is an expression used by Popeye
Doyle(Gene Hackman) in the movie THE FRENCH CONNECTION.

davidson@ac.dal.ca writes:
> >2) Where does Cooper take Audery after he rescues her from OEJ? I assumed they
> >were at the Great Northern but then Ben and she both speak of going home. 

Looked to me like it was the Bookhouse.

Mojo
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mdm@wdl50.wdl.fac.com (Mike D Marchionna):

> >   I have to say I am little dismayed by repeated postings that state, "if
> >the killer turns out to be... ...I'll vomit up my spleen."  I hate to inject
> >reality into this otherwise breazy stroll down looney lane, but the answer to
> >WKLP can only be anti-climactic.  After so much build up, so much analysis, so
> >much waiting, and so many false clues how can any answer truly satisfy the
> >anticipation that has built up.

I disagree.  Mystery writers have been walking this line for years, and
many, many of them have been quite sucessful at it.  I don't know about
*you*, but when I get to the end of a Dorothy Sayers, P.D. James, or
Dame Agatha herself, I don't usually experience the let-down of an
impossible or grossly implausible ending.  Usually, their stories give
me that "ah-ha!" feeling of revelation, the pieces of the complex puzzle
all falling together finally -- why, if only I had looked at the problem
in a different light!  You know what I mean...

Now, admitedly, TP is more than a who-dunnit.  But I don't think that
fact takes the producers off the hook for a reasonable, plausible, and
over-all, understandable explaination to Laura's death.  Even if we must accept
an evil "BOB" spirit, we must be given a clear picture of the actual
crime, how it unfolded and was executed, and how Cooper et. al. finally
unravelled the mystery.  If "Mike" simply spills all the beans and then
"Bob" jumps from person to person until he is "exorcized," then I firmly
expect the ratings of the show to plummet steeply and inexorably into the
depths of Lynch's own Hell.  And, as much as I personally love the show,
I will not blame a single viewer for "tuning out" at that point.

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twain@blake.u.washington.edu (Barbara Hlavin):

> >"That gum you like is coming back in style" has no meaning.  I wish 
> >people would stop worrying about it. 

Unless, of course, it's "Adams Clove Gum."

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In article <2326@spark.ed.ac.uk> denise@spark.UUCP (Denise Neapolitan) writes:
> >In article <16929@shlump.nac.dec.com> boyajian@ruby.dec.com (Cisco's Buddy) writes:
> >
>> >>what Cooper told Harry when he related his dream. And apparently, this
>> >>*is* the case in the Euroversion of the pilot.
> >                      ~~~~~~~~~~~
> >OOOh I didn't know this.  Can anybody out there tell me what we are
> >getting differently over here?
> >-- 
> >Denise M. Neapolitan                            | University of Edinburgh

Yeh, will someone who has seen both (there must be *someone*!) *please*
put me out of my misery and say whether the TP currently showing in the
UK (third, incl pilot, showing tonight) is the same as the US version?

I've seen mention of a (shortened/different to US) European version
a number of times in alt.tv.twin-peaks. So, is the UK version:
1. The US version
2. The Euro version
3. Another version

Thanks for any help!

PS. This issue is currently a political hot potato in Europe -- well,
the issue of whether the UK is part of Europe or not!! :-)

PPS. If the weird-looking long-harired chappie in the first episode 
following the pilot is this dude BOB then, I thought he looked friendly
enough... :-) :-)


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I love the theme music.  I always listen to it when playing
back the show on the VCR.  Gets me into the "mood" of Twin Peaks.
Right about then my wife says, "are you going to watch that again!"
But I catch her sneaking glimpses, and keeping up with what's going
on!

In article <32263@netnews.upenn.edu> hafken@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (David Hafken) writes:
> >Here's what I think: the pages were ripped out by BOB when he took control of
> >Laura (as Laura, of course).  If I remember correctly, the pages were ripped
> >out BEFORE Harold got the diary because Laura mentions near the end that 
> >"she knows someone has been at her diary because some pages are ripped out"
> >I don't know, however, how the pages ended up where they did.  Anyone else have
> >a theory?

Perhaps the pages were ripped out by someone who had free access to
Laura's room where she kept the diary (before she gave it to Harold).

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chiang@iris.ucdavis.edu (Tom Chiang) writes:

> > ...the only idea i can come up with relating to the preview of the
> > horse is that either bob lydecker or his vet clinic is going to figure
> > in next week's episode...more often than not, the animals come from
> > his clinic...remember waldo the mynah bird and the llama?...i

Ahem.

I tend to think we're seeing Laura's horse, as mentioned in the Diary.

  - Harrison Page (harrison@darkside.COM)

Food for thought Part II: 

Just thought of something I forgot to add to my previous post...

Why have we seen so little of the Log Lady? She could be pretty ingegral
in the finding of BOB. And maybe...maybe she IS...BOB.... Does she live
at/near the Great Northern?

Why is it assumed that once we find out WKLP, that Cooper will automatically
pack up and leave as though he has so many other things to do?  Remember, 
we are supposedly just going to FIND OUT the killer. He may not be cuffed
and indicted and convicted and sentenced.....Cooper will probably know 
exactly who did it, and then spend the rest of the season(s) trying to 
apprehend him. Also remember he was on a big investigation involving the
other letter-under-fingernail murders, of which we know only two for 
certain. There may be more for him to investigate (not yet discovered) that
would keep him in TP. 

Other food for thought:

1. Why no further dealings with the creamed corn boy? (Played by Lynch's
   son) I realize he pointed Donna to H. Smith, but isn't that 'magic' he
   was doing worth a little further investigation? After all, the whole
   woods is full of magic/sorcery.
2. Did it strike anyone as odd, the ease and professionalism with which
   Truman disabled the guard at OEJ the night they went in to spring 
   Audrey? (Hope I didn't miss discussion of this and am now dredging up
   old news)

In article <1691@io.tegra.COM> phillips@io.UUCP (Steve Phillips) writes:
> >As long as I've started patting myself on the back, it was just
> >as obvious to us last season that Andy was going to redeem himself
> >by shooting some bad guy at the right time.  I couldn't believe
> >the idiot who claimed Andy's improved shooting was a clue that
> >he killed Laura.

I enjoy the Andy didit theme, not so much because I think that Andy
did do it, but because of all the interesting reactions, some of them
quite vehement, at the mere suggestion that Andy was involved.

Actually, an Andy didit solution would have been a great ending given
the clues put forth by the Andy didit crowd, I just don't think that
Lynch and Frost are good enough at the mystery game to have come up
with it.    (now donning my asbestos long-johns)

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For those who care about this stuff, there were some definite
geographical hints in the 10/27 episode (I believe):

The raid on One Eyed Jack's was discussed with reference to
a location "5 mi. east of Grand Forks, on the road to Castlegar".
I used to live in Castlegar, and was familiar with the border
crossings at Cascade (~15 E. of Grand Forks, B.C.) and Danville
(~5 mi. W.).  Cascade is on the continuation of U.S. 395, Danville
is on Washington State 21.  I suppose either crossing could have 
been used.


John MortonUniversity of California
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I know Lucy's trip to Tacoma is a thing of the past, but with so much
static about 'going down to Tacoma', it seemed like a little geography
lesson was in order.  True, Tacoma is southwest of "Twin Peaks", but
to get there one would probably take I90 towards Seattle (west) then
I5 to Tacoma (south).  So really it's not all that unreasonable to say
'going down to Tocama'.  Also if you check your phone books you'll
notice that practically the entire western half of Washington falls under
the 206 area code.  The following is a map of the Seattle/TP area (no
it is not to scale, but I tried).

         | British Columbia, Canada
         |---------------------------------------------------------
         |
         |
         |  E___                      Legend:
------   / /    \___I203                 OP = Olympic Penusila
     /  /  |        \                    Ps = Puget Sound
    /   |  |         F                   T  = Tocama
    |   |  Se______   \                  Se = Seattle
OP  |PS |  |   I90 \___S_                E  = Everitt
    |   |  |             \_N_            F  = Fall City
    |   |  |                 \___        S  = Snoqualmie
    \   /  | I5                          N  = North Bend
     ---  /           
      T--/

Here are some distances as well:

   From:     To:            Miles:
   Seattle   Snoqualmie     28
   Seattle   Tocama         32
   Seattle   Spokane        280
   Seattle   Vancouver, BC  164

The tri-cities, I believe, refer to Fall City, Snoqualmie, and North Bend
(all of which are in King County).

Here is some more information I have not seen posted yet:
1) While most now know that the Great Northern is the Salish Lodge in real
   life, the indoor scenes of the Great Northerm are really shot at the
   Kiana Lodge on Bainbridge Island in Puget Sound.
2) The Kiana Lodge also provides settings for the Blue Lake Lodge, where
   Pete and Catherine Martell and Josie Packard live(d).
3) The Mar T Cafe in North Bend serves as the exterior for the RR Diner.
4) The Weyerhauser Administration building serves as the sheriff's dept.
5) The Colonial Inn in Fall City serves as the Road House.
6) These and other TP facts/trivia, plus a synopsis of last season, 
   description of major characters/actors, and more can be found in
   "Welcome to Twin Peaks:  A Complete Guide to Who's Who & What's What"
   by Scott Knickelbine published by Publications International.

Also:
1) Have only seen a few brief mentions of the soundtrack.  It's a must
   for Peaks Freaks.  From an audiophile's point of view it is somewhat
   flawed (noisy analog source, inconsistent mixing, sometimes poor
   recording/engineering, etc.), but even so it is a must for anyone's
   TP collection.

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In article <1990Nov2.171916.21545@csc.ti.com> mccarty@aaet.csc.ti.com (Rick McCarty) writes:
> >What TP costumes did others encounter/wear?

A friend of mine went to a party as Laura... all blue of skin and wrapped
in plastic! Pretty hot and sweaty costume, though, or so I'm told!! :)




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I have the same problem - sounds like faulty MTS (stereo) transmission at
the source.

*  "Twin Peaks" is at least in its roots a very sophisticated parody of 
*soap opera norms. 

Okay, if Twin Peaks is a soap opera parody, then I've got the perfect title --

"The Gifted And The Damned"

hahahahaha!


Jespah

*>I agree with the person who said the "vik-yoo-na" hair might be from 
*
*It's 'vy-KOON-ya'.

It may be "vy-KOON-ya" to you and me and the entire Spanish-speaking world,
but it's "vik-YOO-na" to Gordon.  This was one of about 3,000 words that
he mispronounced.

Jespah

Another fact pointing to Leland is the flashback that shows Sarah
Palmer having visions of BOB coming down the stairs of her house.
Leland, possessed by BOB, has walked down those same stairs.

Also, the fact that visions of BOB keep happening to members of
the Palmer family (Laura, Sarah, Maddy) could be a result of their
close contact with Leland and not just special sensory powers.

--Jill

*>Many of the significant clues that we've seen or heard on Twin Peaks
*>have been followed up on.  Here are some that haven't.  Any ideas,
*>anyone?
*>1.  "That gum you like is going to come back in style."
*
*"That gum you like is coming back in style" has no meaning.  I wish 
*people would stop worrying about it. 

Well, I always thought it meant that the gum Cooper likes is going
to come back in style...it may not have any relevance for WKLP, but
that doesn't mean it won't come true!

Jespah

In her diary, Laura mentions creating a fantasy to send to Fleshworld.
She says that Leo & Jacques promised to make the fantasy come true if
she does send it in.  My guess is that this is what happened the night
she was killed--and it drew BOB to her in some way.  (At the end of the
diary she says BOB is "getting closer.")  She apparently taunted him on
occasion to try to break his power over her.  Perhaps the last time it
backfired.  This would fit both the "fear" nd "pleasure" clues.

Also (unrelated):  The last shot of the Great Northern made me think of
Collinswood.  Perhaps in future epoisodes we'll be treated to voiceovers
of Audrey intoning: "My name is Audrey Horne.  Fear hangs over the Great
Northern like a shroud. . ."  Maybe BOB will turn out to be a good-bad
guy like Barnabas Collins.

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In article <1990Nov5.053528.2067@supernet.haus.com> cluther@supernet.haus.com (Clay Luther) writes:
> >broehl@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Bernie Roehl) writes:
> >
>> >>Leland stole a bit of fur from the model bear in Ben's office at the Great
>> >>Northern.  Why?
> >
> >It was a stuffed snow fox, and he didn't have any place to through the fur
> >away in, so he stuffed it into his jacket pocket.
> >
I am now seated in a comfortable, yet apparantly ancient, swivel-
rocking chair at an equally ancient computer terminal in an old and
dirty, yet not without its own charm, basement room at the Great
Northern Hotel. I came across the room as I was scaling the cliff face
just underneath the Hotel as part of my daily yoga routine of which
I am growing increasingly fond each new day. I paused during my ascent
to brush away a pesky, yet determined owlet, obviously lost from its
mother, who would be worried at the least. So, in keeping with my duty
to protect this country (and, I believe everyone in it, includng owls)
and heeding the Giants message, I reached for the tiny fellow in order
to carry it to the cliff top and return it to its family myself.
   In doing so, I inadvertantly scared the fine feathered guy who
immediately flew off, throwing me off balance. In order to retain my
purchase on the rock a took hold of a promising-looking door handle
not previously detected. It then, led me to this place.
   Now, however to the point at hand. Obviously, from my obsevations
of the aforementioned scene, Leland was *very* taken by the white
tuft and kept it for a very specific reason, hopefully to be revealed
soon.

-S.A. Dale Cooper, FBI    "Fidelity, Bravery, Integrity"

In article <684@kaos.MATH.UCLA.EDU> sherman@math.ucla.edu (William Sherman) writes:
> >There are mishaps, however,
> >like "Invitation to Love" on weekends.

Hey, TP is on weekends, too.
Besides, maybe in the TP-universe, TV
is different from here, maybe all the 
shows are as good as TP is.
:-)

In article <1990Nov6.143024.119@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu> ansher@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu writes:
> >2. Did it strike anyone as odd, the ease and professionalism with which
> >   Truman disabled the guard at OEJ the night they went in to spring 
> >   Audrey? (Hope I didn't miss discussion of this and am now dredging up
> >   old news)

I'm not entirely sure about this, but wasn't there some reference earlier
about Truman being some sort of special forces veteran?

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In article <4dd9ddb5.12c9a@digital.sps.mot.com>
chen@digital.sps.mot.com (Jinfu Chen) writes:
> >I don't know if this has been mentioned here already. In 11/03's episole
> >David Lynch played as Agent Cooper's boss (Cole?). I didn't realize this
> >until I re-watched the tape the second time and noticed Lynch is in
> >the acting name list and I remembered a photo of Lynch in the set of
> >"Wild Orchard" a few months ago in a paper.

Nothing personal, Jinfu, but you could have checked.  In fact, it was
discussed quite a bit before and after the episode.

GENERAL NOTE:

It's a good idea, when one has a brilliant insight that one wants to
post, to check and see if someone else has already posted it.  (This
doesn't make one's insight any less brilliant: one came up with it all
by oneself.)  This spares everyone else from having to read it
twenty five times.  This guideline is a part of net etiquette that
everyone should have read in news.announce.newusers, but it seems that
many users of this group are net neophytes who haven't seen or
understood it yet.  (I don't mean this as a value judgement, just an
observation.)  It also applies when one has a burning question that
one can't figure out on one's own: somebody might have answered it
already.  

Users of 'rn' and similar newsreaders can search for postings
containing specific strings of letters, by typing the string at the
article-selection prompt, enclosed in / / to search forward and ? ? to
search backwards.  Adding 'r' after the closing search delimiter will
search read articles, and 'a' will search the entire article, not just
the subject line.  For example, ?Gordon Cole?ra will search backwards
for read articles with the string 'Gordon Cole' anywhere in them.
Once you've found one, type / or ? again (depending on what you used
before) to look for the next instance.  This isn't infallible: if your
site only just started receiving this group, or if the article in
question is so old it's expired, this search won't find it;  but it's
better to try than not.

I realize I'm being a little anal about this, but I'm trying to be
helpful.  Sorry to get off the topic of Twin Peaks, but it seemed
necessary. 

Janet
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jbuck@galileo.berkeley.edu (Joe Buck) writes:
> > On my continuing crusade to stop confused people from crying
> > "continuity error" when it is they, not Twin Peaks, who are
> > screwed up:
> > 
> > In article <4bBM2lS00VsnEFdHUj@andrew.cmu.edu>, bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu
> > (Robert Steven Glickstein) writes:
> > |> 1/0 Pilot                    Saturday, 24-Feb-89
> > 
> > Get yourself a calendar for 1989, BOB.  24-feb-89 was a FRIDAY.  Your
> > dates are right; the days of the week are all wrong.

Thank God!  You're absolutely right!  Insert sheepish grin here.

Sorry folks.  Well, I guess that's one less continuity error to worry
about.

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There is the obvious plot twist that Truman is somehow dirty
from the whole affair (pun intended) with Josie or something
else like he is BOB, and Cooper runs for sheriff of TP and wins.

In article <114030018@hpcuhd.HP.COM> grega@hpcuhd.HP.COM (Number 6) writes:
> >kaufman@delta.eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman):
>> >>Is it my imagination, or did Coopers conversation with Horne include the
>> >>following?  Cooper called Renualt John and then Horne called him Jean.  

> >"Jean" IS "John", en francais, of course!

I know this.  The point is that I don't go around interchanging Jean, John,
Ian, and Ivan just because they happen to be the same names.  If Cooper was
testing Horne this is a trick he might pull.

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I've seen this question asked here, but not answered.  Can anyone tell
me whether this newsgroup is being archived somewhere, especially if
it's an anon-FTP archive?

Thanks in advance.

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In article <0bBLt8C00Vsn0FdGNE@andrew.cmu.edu>, bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert
Steven Glickstein) says:
> >
> >Many of the significant clues that we've seen or heard on Twin Peaks
> >have been followed up on.  Here are some that haven't.  Any ideas,
> >anyone?
> >
> >1.  "Let's rock."  "That gum you like is going to come back in
> >    style."  Why does the Man From Another Place say these things?

Any why were those scenes vocals done that way (and why is the dwarf so
much better at speaking backwards than Laura :-). It is obvious that
they recorded the scenes backwards and reversed the film. Anybody got
access to a reversible VCR? (try it on a memo recorder -- its not that easy).
How about playing that whole scene backwards. What can you see in the
movements.

I presume this must be some sort of reference to the backward messages
that have been "found" on records -- again a link between the "real world"
and satanism/black magic.

I realised before I saw the Dream scene, that the weird sounds to the
Audrey music were coming from bits either being played backwards or
having their envelopes reversed. And the first time Audrey played the
music (1/1) at the Great Northern, with her weird dance it struck me as
being related to a drug.

And of course she said the music was "so dreamy".

What was the interaction between Laura and Audrey -- did they take
cocaine together or did they have a provider relationship?

Is this related to her helping Johnny?

It is also true that this gives the same weird character to the vocals
that the visuals have in that scene.

Does Copper look more aged in that scene? (Look at his neck?)

> >2.  The dark shadow moving across the red curtains.  An owl, or
> >    other bird?  Related to the dark shadow that Maddy saw on the living
> >    room carpet?

Somebody else claimed this was a boot. How does a boot relate to cocaine?
I miss this connection.

Has anybody any other ideas?

> >3.  Anything related to Teresa Banks.
> >
> >
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Just at the begining of the Dream Sequence tjhere is a very rapid collection
of images -- could somebody with a stop-action VCR tell me what they are?

tol a sknaht
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> >/ mdm@wdl50.wdl.fac.com (Mike D Marchionna) /  6:21 pm  Nov  5, 1990 /

> >It is an old but true saying that, "Having something can never instill
> >passion so much as wanting something."

Gee, didn't Spock say that to Stan (sic) about his wife?  :-)

In article <44330@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> v22964qs@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu writes:
> >In article <2Jo5R3w163w@bigtime.covs.or.us>, larry@bigtime.covs.or.us (Larry
> >Gilbert) writes... 
> >
>> >>* David Lynch's character was cute, but really, the hard-of-hearing bit is a
>> >>  tired cliche in the world of humor.
> >
> >Well, one of Lynch's favorite things to do is take overused cliches and 
> >twist them (Wild at Heart's raison d'etre in my opinion).  Here was another 
> >attempt.  

Lynch may have been paying hommage to the french director Franc,ois Truffaut,
who played the part of a director in one of his movie, "La Nuit ame'ricaine",
(Day by Night), 1973. In this movie, he played a hard-of-earing director,
wearing a simillar device, but on his sleeve.

I think this movie was nominated for an Oscar for best foreign picture.
May even have won ...


Michel Adam   

adam@cs.ualberta.ca   (...!alberta!adam)

After the third episode of Twin Peaks last night I am beginning to feel
like a TP junkie...I can't wait to get more next week.

I love the theme tune and it is my prediction that it will make it big in the
UK!!!!(Tip for the top)!!!

Anybody else out there want to swap notes about the UK Twin-Peaks? 

Mail me if you dare!!!

Lorraine

Jill Sporleder <jill@portia.Stanford.EDU> writes:
> > Another fact pointing to Leland is the flashback that shows Sarah
> > Palmer having visions of BOB coming down the stairs of her house.
> > Leland, possessed by BOB, has walked down those same stairs.

And what about Leland having seen BOB as a little boy?  He identified BOB
from the wanted-poster, so he must have seen BOB's true image.  And that
would have been about 40 years ago, so it all matches; he's been BOB's
human host ever since...

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There was a little segment on CNN saying that Twin Peaks is the most
recorded show on TV (i.e. recorded with home VCRs).  I missed part of the
broadcast, but I think they said something like 10% of the viewers where
using VCRs to time shift Twin Peaks (although they may have said 10% for
all shows combined).

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This is a supplement to the

            alt.tv.twin-peaks FREQUENTLY-ASKED QUESTIONS LIST

1.  Who killed Laura Palmer?

        We don't know.

2.  Who was that dark figure in the woods with Leo?

        We don't know.

3.  What does "That gum you like is going to come back in style" mean?

        We don't know.

4.  Why did Leland's hair turn white?

        We don't know.

5.  When will Cooper get his ring back?

        We don't know.

6.  Hey!  Did anyone notice that was David Lynch playing Cooper's
    supervisor?

        Yes.

7.  Whatever happened to Mike Nelson, Bobby's friend ("Snake")?

        We don't know.

8.  Is Catherine dead?

        We don't know.

9.  Why was Donna acting slutty for a few episodes?

        We don't know.

10.  Despite ABC's assurances, will Laura's killer *really* be
    revelaed this week?

        We don't know.


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Anyone else think that when Coop and the others go to Harold's house, he will
be unable to talk for some reason?

           1. He will be dead in the greenhouse on a pile of fresh soil with
                his hands crossed over on his chest and holding and orchid.
           2. He will be gone.
     OR    3. He will be unconscious.

Just a random thought.

cfoster@eagle.wesleyan.edu   writes in article
<1990Nov6.223259.35507@eagle.wesleyan.edu>

> >LAURA was his host.  My latest guess is that BOB's physical form was taken, 40
> >years ago; I think he took over the man who flicked lit matches in young
> >Leland's face, possibly before but probably after he had started to pick on
> >Leland.  That man is now known as BOB.  I think the form people see who can't
> >see his true form, is that of..

> >an OWL.


well put.  i think you're on target.  i don't thing BOB posseses anyone
except the host he took on long ago.  we must remember that Lynch,
although he does some strange things, almost always makes his good and
evil characters obvious to his audience, if not for the characters in
the story themselves.

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all in all, it's just a-nother brick in the wall...

Every good mystery story must obey two rules:
1. The killer must be introduced at an early stage. Introducing the killer at
a later stage is not cricket.
2. There should be enough clues in the early stages that point to the killer.
They may not make sense when shown, but when all is revealed, all the early
clues should make sense.

Since David Lynch has said that we have seen the killer in the first episode
I guess he's confirming to rule 1. If we assume that he will obey rule 2 then

1. Ben Horne cannot be the killer - no early evidence.
2. Pete may be the killer. Very little evidence, but he did find the body. 
Always an important clue in a mystery.
3. Leland is a strong possibility. As someone said, Sarah Palmer saw the vision
of BOB a few minutes after Leland walked up the stairs. That should be
indicative of something. The fact that he claims he saw BOB in a neigbouring
summer home is specially significant since he may not know that he is
possessed and could have seen BOB before the first time he was possessed. 
BOB could have come along with him to Twin Peaks.. His behavior at Laura's 
funeral indicates the possibility of a non-fatherly interest in his daughter. 
4. Harold Smith cannot be the killer. Introduced too late. Similarly the OAM,
the vet, the brothers renaud (whatever!), and sundry people introduced later.
5. Andy could be the killer. Remember, he was not at the sherrif's office when
the body was found, he is the weakest and ripest for possession since he knew
he was sterile (though this was revealed very late it may be significant).
6. Lots of evidence against Leo Johnson. Perhaps he can still rise again 
when possessed by BOB. Was that a flicker in his eye when Bobby and Shelley
were making out on the table?

Anyway, Pete and Leland are the most likely candidates. Leland perhaps too
likely, but I can't see any early evidence against Pete that would make 
a lot of sense.

My guess is that the answer is in the pilot + the first episode of the first
season. A review of these two (which I intend doing tonight), along with an
appraisal of the evidence presented in these two episodes in the light of
everything else that we know should clearly point to the killer.

Meanwhile, keep guessing. This is fun!

Hardeep.
-- ______________ The things I tell you will not be wrong.

.-.
|H|ey, did anyone notice that Gordon Cole looks like a grown-up
`-' version of the little magician kid?  I'm sure this must mean
    something tremendously significant!

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/X243/K822/L262/B23/THE/OWLS/ARE/NOT/WHAT/THEY/SEEM/B383/L947/M84/
/M867/B586/K389/O98/AND/I/LIKE/WHALES/N37/B88/L867/P213/N297/B957/
/W482/jym@mica.berkeley.edu/I55/K387/P987/R80/Z903/Y983/O092/C381/

I finally found a copy of the diary last night at a local bookstore.
I leafed through it a little, but thought it was too "hoky" to buy,
besides my not having the time to read it (yeah right, like reading
alt.tv.twin-peaks an hour a day, and watching each episode about
3 times doesn't take any time ...).

I've been told by a fellow TP fan that the first season is supposed to
come out on video.  I've asked around at book and video stores, but noone
has heard of this.  Has anyone on the net heard of such?

In article <686@kaos.MATH.UCLA.EDU> sherman@math.ucla.edu (William Sherman) writes:
> >In article <1990Nov5.183249.9353@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> floom@mars.UUCP (Laura Floom) writes:

>> >>Do you have a photographic memory. Do you have a social life? A photographic
>> >>memory? Do you enjoy making the rest of us feel stupid?
>> >>...Does anyone else share my frustration?

Hell yes!!  I love the show to, but have managed to
separate it from the rest of my life--on Saturday night,
I watch the show.  When it is over, I move on to the
next event, person, meal--whatever!

It's only t.v.
It's only t.v.
It's only t.v.





-- Susan S. (susans@cfi.com) Another Friend of Bill's