Season 2, Episode 20: The Path to the Black Lodge — April 18–June 09, 1991

Maybe things will calm down a little, but right now there is just too much
traffic for me to read everthing. Also, my nntp client doesn't allow me to
search for items for particular strings.

So, if someone has come across any info about 'dugbas' (dugpas?) that isn't
obvious from the subject line, would you please email me a copy?

-Rich Haller     rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu

I really don't care for Twin Peaks...maybe because it's so low in the
Nealsons.  I'm a Quantum Leap fan myself!  :)
 
-Lazer

In article <91112.150928KJA102@psuvm.psu.edu> KJA102@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> >If you remember, Mike cut off his LEFT arm, and it is everyone's right hand
> >that is shaking.  

Does anyone recall why Mike cut off his LEFT arm? Here are several reasons
I can think of:

1. As a form of real major penance for his bad deeds, he voluntarily cut his 
   left arm (just as they do in the Yakuza) in the face of God.
2. A body without a left arm is immune from evil habitation.
3. Mike had a "tattoo" on his left arm which the evil aliens/spirits use to
   hook up to him. Amputating this arm will consequently sever his ties
   with them.
4. He happened to be holding an axe or a machette on his right hand just as 
   the shakes set in then the right hand took a mind of its own and chopped 
   the other arm off (just like they did in "Evil Dead 2").


Louie

In article <CMM.0.90.2.672338415.tvanhorn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, tvanhorn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Thom
Why did the actor who plays Sherif Truman go berko and leave Australia when
he saw a send up of the scene where Lauras body was found? It is not as if Twin
Peaks is some sort of high art.

In article <1991Apr22.162832.780@athena.mit.edu> lcharris@athena.mit.edu (Lynn C Harris) writes:
> >hey-- this is my first time here... i was just wondering, did anyone
> >notice that Windom Earle can be rearranged to spell REMIND OWL (with
> >an 'a' missing). Any other ideas?


Oh, WELL, if we're going to cheat at anagrams by leaving out letters, 
why not REMAND OWL?  Makes more sense, given what we suspect about 
the owls.  Or how about DREAM IN OWL, like PROGRAM IN COBOL?  A lot 
of us appear to be dreaming in owl. 


--Barbara 
Our dreams are not what they seem

-- Barbara Hlavin Death has always been a negative life style twain@milton.u.washington.educhange nobody thought could be sold, but I differ.

I have just one question:

WHY was Pete at the Great Northern? He appeared to be just aimlessly
wandering around the lobby and musing about Josie. 

Isn't he supposedly the manager of the mill? Shouldn't he be doing sonething?

(I realise he is just there as a devive to get Audrey to the airport but...)

What happened to J.J.'s equipment? When he first meets Audrey, he asks her to
send somebody to get his stuff from the plane but he just has a suitcase when
he leaves.

Have Pete and Audrey "met" before? I realise it is a reasonably small town but
does everybody know everybody else?

Incidently, haliparidol (sp?), WE's drug, is just a standard tranquilizer used
to restrain the mentally ill. 
(I may be wrong -- my field is business not medicine -- but that I am told)

Jonathan Davidson

DAVIDSON@AC.DAL.CA

Dalhousie University
Halifax, Nova Scotia
Canada

In article <16791@chaph.usc.edu> ramos@aludra.usc.edu (Luis Ramos) writes:

> >Does anyone recall why Mike cut off his LEFT arm? Here are several reasons
> >I can think of:
> >
> >1. As a form of real major penance for his bad deeds, he voluntarily cut his 
> >   left arm (just as they do in the Yakuza) in the face of God.

Except Yak cut off one joint of one finger!  A *teensy* bit less
drastic.

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Peter--push the plug" --Josie Packard

In article <1991Apr22.211155.4868@colorado.edu> ingraffi@tramp.colorado.edu (INGRAFFIA EDMOND J) writes:

> >I ust noticced that everyone is now referring to the "evil spirits" 
> >(that WE mentioned) as "dugpas"....

I hear it as "dungpa", which is quite reminiscent of "trungpa", a
Tibetan word (as in Chogyam Trungpa, a famous spiritual leader and
alleged con man).  I wouldn't be surprised if the "dungpas"
(=lollypops?) turn up in some book or other some writer or other read
about Tibet and/or the White Lodge.  If I had access to a good Tibetan
dictionary right now I'd look it up, but I don't.




-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Peter--push the plug" --Josie Packard

   In article <1991Apr21.211302.6381@ns.uoregon.edu> rhaller@oregon.uoregon.edu
writes...

> >Having them [Jupiter and Saturn] together could imply either an opportunity for
> >enlightenment/nirvana, or, if one takes the dualist POV, a choice point, one
> >path leading to great fortune and the other to disaster, Armageddon, if you
> >will.

   This has the distinct ring of truth to me.  I feel, however, that there
is more to it than just this.  Within the Buddhist framework doesn't the
interpretation lead to the result?  The alignment is an opportunity for
enlightenment/nirvana, but if one views it from the dualist POV than for
that person it becomes a point of apocalypse.

   Once again, this reinforces the Buddhist concepts of harmony and dissonance.
If Cooper, for example, fails to understand that harmonic nexus (yeah whatever
that means), doesn't he create Armageddon?  In other words, by failing to
accept the complementary aspects as separate facets of good, wouldn't he
create the very evil (i.e. dissonance) he is trying to forestall?

> > Coop seems drawn to the Buddhist path, but he is finding it hard to let
> >go of the idea that there is a real evil force that must be vanquished by
> >opposing it with counterforce.

   I agree that within this framework, this is indeed a major failing on
Cooper's part.  Throughout the investigation of WKLP, the times Cooper failed
occurred when he tried to oppose BOB directly.  In going to the Roadhouse
because "Owls were gathering there", Cooper tried to outsmart BOB (to meet
him with counterforce).  In this view the Giants "It's happening again" message
becomes the even more plaintive "Cooper, you have failed to understand."

> >I think that Coops desire to stalemate WE rather than defeat him may indicate
> >he accepts this at some level.  Whether he can hold on to that if WE manages to
> >kill Annie is another question.

   Exactly, and this is why I feel that Annie is a proponent of evil.  I do
not think that Annie represents a physical danger to Cooper (i.e. at some
point in the future she'll pull a gun on him, smile at WE, and say "We've
got him").  No, Annie represents the more subtle danger of causing Cooper to
lose his sense of harmony (I must protect Annie at all costs, because I LOVE
her).

   Oh, well...that's all for now.

-Matt Brinkman
-Internet: BRINKMAN@EDSEQ1.LLNL.GOV

P.S. I am working on a reply to Barb Miller worthy of her recent post.

I HAVE JUST WATCHED THE EPISODE WHERE MAJOR BRIGGS SHOWS COOPER
THE OUTER SPACE MESSAGES IN WHICH THE WORDS:
"THE OWLS ARE NOT WHAT THEY SEEM" AND
"COOPER/COOPER/COOPER" -APPEAR
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS???

In <63820@bbn.BBN.COM> ingria@bbn.com (Bob Ingria) writes:


> >Two questions about details of the Little Pine Weasel Fashion Show
> >that I haven't seen discussed here.

> >(2) When Ben and Catherine start talking, she refers to him as ``John
> >Muir (name probably distorted), friend of the wilderness'' or some
> >such (sorry, my tape's out on loan, so I can't give an exact quote).
> >Who was Catherine referring to?

John Muir is famous for the founding of the National Parks movement
in this country, and is most often associated with the saving of the
forests, mainly those (i.e. Redwoods) in California and the West.

sj

In article <01G4XVYLFL3A8WW2HF@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU>, UN040377@WVNVAXA.WVNET.EDU writes:
> > GIOVIN%POLLUX@ecs.umass.edu (Rocky Giovinazzo) writes:
> >    >Also, I wonder who was the person at the police station who Lucy
> >    >said, "looked really sad."  It reminded me of the time that Lucy got a
> >    >call for the sherrif from a person who wouldn't identify himself-- and
> >    >then we never heard anything else about it.
> >  
> > I assumed, since this occurred near the beginning, that it was the friend
> > of 'Rusty', the teenager in the pawn.  By the way, why did WE choose
> > someone named 'Rusty Tomansky'?  His previous pawn had the same last name
> > as Carolyn's maiden name, so I assume there's some connection here which
> > we haven't seen yet.
I would think that, as Cooper said, Earle is now playing "off the
board."  That is, he's still killing people now and then to freak everyone out,
but he's basically too pissed off at Cooper for getting help from Pete, and too
busy looking for the Black Lodge to waste his time looking for vagrants with
coincidental names.

[stuff deleted]

> >    >Could anyone make out what WE called the "evil sorcerors?"
> >  
> > I heard it as 'dugpas'.
> >  
That's what I heard, too.
> >  
> > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > Kenneth Bays                |  "Everyone looks naked when you know the
> > un040377@wvnvms.wvnet.edu   |   world's address." - They Might Be Giants
> >                             - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> >  
-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Jennifer L. Spangler | ADM@PSUECL | By God, those things'll be silent now! | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
> >Subject: Re: GREAT episode

> >I would love to know why we had the sudden flash to that animal (mountain
> >goat?) hanging on the wall, though!
My personal theory is that spirits inhabit not only wood and
owls but also other things found in the woods.  The various moose (stag?)
heads we've seen around Twin Peaks as well as the "goat"-head behind
Andrew.  This would indicate that a spirit was watching Andrew and
Catherine.  By exclusive whiteness of the goat, I would guess that the
spirit is a "good" one.
Perhaps the fallen moose-head (?) at the bank could be 
explained with this-- (just as Andy, Sarah, the principal, ... and
others were torn apart by Laura, so was the spirit inhabiting the
moosehead).

Rocky Giovinazzo

> >From: UN040377@WVNVAXA.WVNET.EDU
> >Subject: Re: the 4-18-episode
> >I assumed, since this occurred near the beginning, that it was the friend
> >of 'Rusty', the teenager in the pawn.  By the way, why did WE choose
> >someone named 'Rusty Tomansky'?  His previous pawn had the same last name
> >as Carolyn's maiden name, so I assume there's some connection here which
> >we haven't seen yet. 
I also wondered this-- when the teen said Rusty's name, I thought
he said it like, "Tomasky" or Thomas-ky.  Maybe Thomas Eckhardt is 
linked to WE and the Coop/Caroline mystery in some way that we don't know. 
Doubtful, but nothing better comes to mind.

Rocky Giovinazzo

In <10728@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600koga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Jeff "Koganuts" Koga) writes:

> >  7.  Birds:
> >Robin (from opening sequence),
> >Crow (when Agent Cooper, Sheriff Truman, Deputy
> >  Hawk, and Dr. Hayward enter Jacque Renault's log
> >  cabin), and
> >Owls:
> >  Owls
> >  Owl Cave 

Don't forget the chickadee on a Dodge Dart, as well as the Woodpecker
from around 1005.

> > 27.  Furry animals:
> >The llama,
> >Josie Packard's vicuua coat (well, kind of >=)),
> >The white animal (fox?) in Benjamin Horne's office, and
> >The pine weasel

Then we have what looks like an ibex or some kind of mountain goat watching
Andrew break open the puzzle box.

sj

> >   This has the distinct ring of truth to me.  I feel, however, that there
> >is more to it than just this.  Within the Buddhist framework doesn't the
> >interpretation lead to the result?  
. . .
> >Once again, this reinforces the Buddhist concepts of harmony and dissonance.

[and various other people have been talking about Buddhist this and
Buddhist that]

Can I respectfully suggest that this stuff is really rather remote
from Buddhism?  There seems to be a popular image of it in this
country (the US) that's based on the lineage of weird popularizations
of Buddhism from the Pali text Society down through Alan Watts and
into the (sorta) syncretic neo-Buddhism of the new age movement, but
it's pretty different from Buddhism as practiced in Asia.  In
particular, I don't know of any special Buddhist interest in "harmony
and dissonance", and many practicing Buddhists I know are quite
familiar with ideas of good and evil.  The way we're talking about it
here amounts to a kind of caricature.  No offense to anyone here, but
I wish we could just leave the "Buddhist perspective" stuff alone.

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Peter--push the plug" --Josie Packard

In article <6BB8D3D0206067A8@UMAECS> GIOVIN%POLLUX@ecs.umass.edu (Rocky Giovinazzo) writes:
> >My personal theory is that spirits inhabit not only wood and
> >owls but also other things found in the woods.  The various moose (stag?)
> >heads we've seen around Twin Peaks as well as the "goat"-head behind
> >Andrew.  This would indicate that a spirit was watching Andrew and
> >Catherine.

Of course!  Didn't anyone notice its eyes moving?



-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Peter--push the plug" --Josie Packard

Does anyone else remember that the Log Lady was already spotted on NE?

It happened last season, to mysterious TP music...


- Win

In article <ue6J13w164w@halcyon.uucp>, halcyon!hikaru@seattleu.edu (Demosthenes) writes:
> > ede682nbp1@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
> > 
>> >> 
>> >> Could someone please tell me when we find out who killed laura.
>> >>  
>> >> ede682nbp1@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au
> > 
> > 
> > Well, there are actually three possible responses here. 1) "Get a life, 
> > punk!" 2) "look, it's trying to think." or 3) "It is happening again." 
> > Which is the most appropriate? 
> > And would somebody PLEASE mail the poor guy a tape of the 11/10/90 
> > episode?
> > 
> > ///////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
> > "I really hate guidance counselors.                            Demosthenes  
> > If they knew anything about career                     18004 146th Ave NE
> > moves, why would they be guidance                    Woodinville, WA 98072  
> > counselors?" - Happy Harry Hard-On, "Pump Up the Volume"



> > ///////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
Just because you livein the  backwoods of Western Australia there is no reason
for you to talk bullshit.

 I just wish that more people would use whatever special VCR effects they got.
I slomo'd the breaking of the box.  When Andrew Packard smashed it, it was
empty.  After a cut we see him raise up the metallic bar, and exclaim "catherine!"  The bar appears to be slightly larger than the black box he smashed with the
rolling pin.  It is possible to play sound backwards at various speeds, if you
own a SONY SLHF-1000 and know how to use it.  (perhaps I should cross post this
to rec.video?)  Turn off all the hifi tracks, enter assembly edit mode.  Then
you can play forwards/backwards at whatever speed you like (X1, X2, X5, 1/5, or
1/10)... The Majors speaking nothing intelligible.  It sounds just as bizarre
backwards as forwards.  Funny, they show his mouth clearly, and it looks like
he's mouthing the garbled syllables... Course theres a mechanical phrasing
there that reeks of tampering.  Good enough reason for Earle to give up.  What-
ever that "truth" drug he gave him was, it didn't work for very long.  I 
figured he gave him HALDOL (Haloperidol).. but it was yellow whatever it was.
Probably Mountain Dew ;^)...

Love that BOB sequence right at the end!

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Organization: Panix, (New Ghost City)
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In article <1991Apr19.212847.5241@odin.corp.sgi.com> sjohnson@texas.vlsi.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:
)Well, I assumed that is what/where Bob stepped through.  It was,
)appropriately, in the middle of the Woods.  (But what was that
)light?)

THAT'S WHY THEY CALL IT GHOSTWOOD !!!!


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In article <1991Apr19.171950.24780@odin.corp.sgi.com> sjohnson@texas.vlsi.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:
)In <10812@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> russelrd@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (MattBrockman) writes:
)>In article <1991Apr19.125827.627@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> xxmartn@lims04.lerc.nasa.gov writes:
)>>All throughout this scene the camera is pulling back and we hear the 
)>>"forboding" music.  That scene was *very* uncomfortable.  Clearly, those 
)>>discussions between COOP and Annie were not meant to be "lovey dovey".  The 
)>>"Blood" driping Coffee cup further shows the negative "air" about Annie.
    *****

THAT WAS the ABSOLUTE BEST CINEMA-WISE shot I found in the whole episode,
actually.  the blood/coffee drip-drip.  i don't think it means that ANNIE
is BAD or EVIL, just that she's gonna wind up DEAD or maybe BOBified, kinda
like Laura.  She would... she's so "perfect" in Cooper's eyes.


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SPOILER ALERT




more than anything, we KNOW what happens to young women that Dale Cooper
falls in love with, and especially many whom he makes love to.  In the
book "my life, my tapes" he bemoans the fact that all of his loves die
sooner or later.  Poor poor Dale... and the clearest case is Caroline
Earle.  So it's not that Dale should drop Annie, rather ANNIE should
get rid of COOPER... He's the one whos got BAD LUCK with girlfriends!
(but then again, look what happened to Truman, his lady died and then
the next thing that happens when he's concious... Jones tries to cut
his throat with a piano wire!)
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I just got the Twin Peaks sound track the other day, and I got to
thinking about the signpost (Welcome to Twin Peaks...Population xx,xxx).
I started looking through the old episodes, and found that the population
figure has been slowly dropping for a long time.  Every time someone
has been killed in Peaks, the signpost has been appropriately decremented,
and it has been incremented the few times we've had people come back
(Andrew, Catherine). This really came to my attention due to the extreme
decrease in the figure last week, between the first and third commercial
breaks.  Anyone have any ideas as to where those 300 people went?

rdees@umiami.ir.miami.edu (Matthion) writes:
>> >>Yo Peakers,
>> >>  A couple of words on the Jupiter/Saturn conjunction from Simon,
>> >>your friendly, neighborhood astrologer.  In our world, the last
>> >>conjunctions between them occured in late 1980 through mid 1981.
>> >>(There were actually three exact conjunctions then due to the
>> >>retrograde motion of both planets.)  The next will not occur until
>> >>the end of May 2000.  This does not correspond with any TP time
>> >>frame, but who ever said it should?

astronut@athena.mit.edu (Robert M Sanner) writes:
> >If this is true, and it takes ~20 years between conjunctions, then
> >in 1991, are they in perfect opposition??? (if this is the right word for it)

Actually, they are.  Given that Jupiter and Saturn line up on the same side of
the sun every 19.85 years, that means they line up on opposite sides of the
sun 9.93 years after.

I believe TP takes place in 1989.  So that would be just about right (maybe
a little off).

But I believe the show said Jupiter and Saturn would "meet."  Being on
opposite sides of the sun isn't exactly meeting.  So who knows?

--
bvickers@ics.uci.edu | "Only a large-scale popular movement toward
brett@ucippro.bitnet |  decentralization and self-help can arrest the
                     |  present tendency toward statism." - Aldous Huxley

In article <4518@ac.dal.ca> davidson@ac.dal.ca writes:
> >WHY was Pete at the Great Northern? He appeared to be just aimlessly
> >wandering around the lobby and musing about Josie.
> >
> >Isn't he supposedly the manager of the mill? Shouldn't he be doing sonething?

Uh, what mill?

As far as I can tell, Pete's always been a pretty aimless character.

--
bvickers@ics.uci.edu | "Only a large-scale popular movement toward
brett@ucippro.bitnet |  decentralization and self-help can arrest the
                     |  present tendency toward statism." - Aldous Huxley

Shannon D. Appel writes:

> > I just got the Twin Peaks sound track the other day, and I got to
> > thinking about the signpost (Welcome to Twin Peaks...Population xx,xxx).
> > I started looking through the old episodes, and found that the population
> > figure has been slowly dropping for a long time.  Every time someone
> > has been killed in Peaks, the signpost has been appropriately decremented,
> > and it has been incremented the few times we've had people come back
> > (Andrew, Catherine). This really came to my attention due to the extreme
> > decrease in the figure last week, between the first and third commercial
> > breaks.  Anyone have any ideas as to where those 300 people went?

Are you sure it's only 300 people?  I went back and looked at the first
episode and at my Twin Peaks CD cover, both of which list the Twin Peaks
population (as read on the sign) at 51,201.  It fluctuates minorly until
the last episode, where it undergoes a major change, as you said.
But I really couldn't tell if it was 50,882 or 50,002.  (The resolution
on my TV was really fuzzy.)  But I *think* it is really *50,002*!
This has major ramifications as to the plot.

What I think:  Since we haven't had a total rash of murders or
disappearances (that the police have noticed; though they probably wouldn't
until next episode anyway), I think that the Black Lodge is effectively
taking over the some of the souls in Twin Peaks, turning them into
walking dead.  I think that the vibrating right arms are strong (or
"gifted") peoples' nervous systems fighting off the attack.  I think
that they will soon take over Annie and that this will undo Cooper.

I also think that the log is immune.

Either way, though, somewhere between 3,000 people and 12,000 people are
suddenly gone.  Maybe they are all ascending into the white/black lodges
one by one?  Imagine if all the stories we have seen that make up the
"Twin Peaks" dialoge are really a much smaller part of many more, more
secret stories?  That in fact the general population of Twin Peaks
knows most everything about the White and Black lodges, and that we
are seeing the people who are not "in the know"?  That most citizens
of TP have been passing their time waiting to ascend to Lodgeness
while pretending to carry on normal lives??????????????????/

In article <1991Apr23.015244.22930@odin.corp.sgi.com> sjohnson@texas.vlsi.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:
> >In <10728@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600koga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Jeff "Koganuts" Koga) writes:
> >
>> >>  7.  Birds:
>> >>Robin (from opening sequence),
>> >>Crow (when Agent Cooper, Sheriff Truman, Deputy
>> >>^^^^  Hawk, and Dr. Hayward enter Jacque Renault's log
>> >>      cabin), and

This is the Minah Bird, I assume?


-Matt
....
...
..
.

In article <APPEL.91Apr22222430@con.xcf.Berkeley.EDU> appel@xcf.Berkeley.EDU (Shannon D. Appel) writes:
> >I just got the Twin Peaks sound track the other day, and I got to
> >thinking about the signpost (Welcome to Twin Peaks...Population xx,xxx).
> >I started looking through the old episodes, and found that the population
> >figure has been slowly dropping for a long time.  Every time someone
> >has been killed in Peaks, the signpost has been appropriately decremented,
> >and it has been incremented the few times we've had people come back
> >(Andrew, Catherine). This really came to my attention due to the extreme
> >decrease in the figure last week, between the first and third commercial
> >breaks.  Anyone have any ideas as to where those 300 people went?

I have noticed this, too. I didn't want to say anything for fear
that I was losing it, but your article has prompted me into words...

I believe that the number actually dropped such a dramatic amount
due to the dimensional rift theory mentioned and sketchily outlined
in "The Secret Tapes of Federal Agent Cooper" ($8.95;Bantam 
Books,1991) by Franklin Frost.

It basically states that the opposite influences of the Black Lodge
and White Lodge (i.e. Saturn/Jupiter) create a type of dimensional
whirlpool when too close. Well, as Jupiter and Saturn close in on each
other, this whirlpool is formed.

I think that the number was only fluctuating before because Jupiter and
Saturn were relatively far apart, now that they are close, the number
of "missing" has greatly increased. According to the book, the people
are actually erased (or written into) from time itself, never having
existed.

-Matt
....
...
..
.

In article <12795y9182367wtey9124yiwtuyasdBLOJO1392.apr91@geech> blojo@ai.mit.edu writes:
> >
> >Are you sure it's only 300 people?  I went back and looked at the first
> >episode and at my Twin Peaks CD cover, both of which list the Twin Peaks
> >population (as read on the sign) at 51,201.  It fluctuates minorly until
> >the last episode, where it undergoes a major change, as you said.
> >But I really couldn't tell if it was 50,882 or 50,002.  (The resolution
> >on my TV was really fuzzy.)  But I *think* it is really *50,002*!
> >This has major ramifications as to the plot.
> >
> >Either way, though, somewhere between 3,000 people and 12,000 people are
> >suddenly gone.  Maybe they are all ascending into the white/black lodges

Wait a minute!!!  Last time I subtracted 50,882 from 51,201 I got 319,
and the last time I subtracted 50,002 from 51,210 I got 1199.  I think
someone gained an order of magnitude, there!

As for the rest of the theory, I like it.  Makes some sense with the
empty hallways we saw at the end of the last episode.

I can't wait for June 10!

Bye, bye!

Dewey

SPOILERS AHEAD












As I see it now, the Giant's signalling (no extra point?) could mean one
of three things:

1.  Don't let Annie enter the contest.  She is in danger.

2.  Annie IS danger.  Stay away from her.

3.  Being that Cooper has a long history of letting love 
    interfere with his judgement (if you haven't read "My
    Life, My Tapes" yet, I suggest that you do), it could
    mean for him to stay clear until the task at hand is
            taken care of.  The White Lodge (or wherever the Giant
    and  his gang hail from) seems to need him at the
    moment.  And if his mind is distracted with love, he
            is of no use.

--Cool Bean
-- **This is not cultural.

> >   >>  If this is true, and it takes ~20 years between conjunctions, then
> >   >>in 1991, are they in perfect opposition??? 
> > 
> >....to which bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) replied:
>> >>Actually, they are.  Given that Jupiter and Saturn line up on the same side of
>> >>the sun every 19.85 years, that means they line up on opposite sides of the
>> >>sun 9.93 years after...
> > 
> >....which brings us up to date...
> > 
> >i just got some e-mail (thank you, thank you) to the effect
> >that, according to ephemeris data, Jupiter and Saturn are due to be in
> >perfect opposition sometime during the second week of May, 1991, a
> >couple weeks from now (any confirmations of this?).  Hmm...when were
> >the last episodes for this season supposed to air, before TP get the
> >axe...?
> > 


I think it isn't really significant since the time period within
the show itself is still 1990...  Laura was killed in February, and
Spring '90 is just coming on in the "Twin Peaks" world.

--Tony
  (tony@uc780.umd.edu  tony@uc780.bitnet)

In article <6069@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:
> > In article <1991Apr22.211155.4868@colorado.edu> ingraffi@tramp.colorado.edu (INGRAFFIA EDMOND J) writes:
> > 
>> >>I ust noticced that everyone is now referring to the "evil spirits" 
>> >>(that WE mentioned) as "dugpas"....
> > 
> > I hear it as "dungpa", which is quite reminiscent of "trungpa", a
> > Tibetan word (as in Chogyam Trungpa, a famous spiritual leader and
> > alleged con man).  I wouldn't be surprised if the "dungpas"
> > (=lollypops?) turn up in some book or other some writer or other read
> > about Tibet and/or the White Lodge.  If I had access to a good Tibetan
> > dictionary right now I'd look it up, but I don't.
> > 

Hey Rod!  These things I tell you will be true.  Ask jayembee.  He posted it
once a long time ago and was nice enough to Mail me a copy.  Well, actually
I could forward it to you.  Guess I'll try to do that.  Although I'm not
real good with Mail.

--Cool Bean
-- **This is not cultural.

In article <1991Apr22.194448.1875@hal.com> woodstck@hal.com (Nathan Hess) writes:
> >In article <51707@apple.Apple.COM> you write:
> >
> >
> >It *shouldn't* bother you that Dale might fail to heed the Giant's
> >warning.  The Giant's warning is extremely obvious to us, since we've
> >been given *far* more information than Coop -- *we* know all too well
> >exactly what "queen" means in this context; Dale doesn't.  From Coop's
> >point of view, the vision happened outside of any particular context
> >other than small talk with Annie.  He's so enraptured by the moment that
> >he doesn't see the significance of events that we the omniscient
> >audience do.
> >
Dale has been playing a game of chess, so I think the meaning
of a queen would be foremost in his mind.

> >--woodstock
> >-- 
> >   "What I like is when you're looking and thinking and looking
> >   and thinking...and suddenly you wake up."   - Hobbes
> >
> >woodstck@hal.com or (408) 379-7000 x1112

WRT to DIY amputations, Luis Ramos writes:

#4. He happened to be holding an axe or a machette on his right hand just 
as 
 #  the shakes set in then the right hand took a mind of its own and 
chopped 
  # the other arm off (just like they did in "Evil Dead 2").

Tsk tsk, Louie, every conscientious horror scholar knows that Ash cut off 
his RIGHT hand in _Evil Dead 2_ (I imagine because Bruce Campbell is a 
leftie).   And he quite intentionally picked up the chainsaw to do it, 
since the possessed hand was just about to grab a cleaver to attack him 
with.   

#3. Mike had a "tattoo" on his left arm which the evil aliens/spirits use 
to
#   hook up to him. Amputating this arm will consequently sever his ties
#   with them.

Hmmm...This could be a problem for the Major and the Log Lady.  Will the 
Major be forced to cut off his head to be safe?  :-)  

I tend to favor something between  #1  (voluntary penance) and #3--I think 
Mike's tattoo might just have been a sign of belonging to the group (like 
a Hell's Angels tattoo, for instance...) rather than an actual "hookup" 
through which the evil spirits gain access to him.  So cutting off the arm 
would have been a gesture of dissociation from the BL once Mike has "been 
changed".


MVB
"If it wasn't for disappointment, I wouldn't have any appointments."--TMBG
Disclaimer:  Not my planet, Monkeyboy!

Someone mentioned that the Great Northern could be
the Black Lodge or in some way connected, sounds 
plausible.  Considering:  the OAM pointed out that
BOB was at the Great Northern (he could have said the
palmer house, or something), the odd sounds those sailors made
bouncing those balls, the halls are made of wood, and
latest episode had the us moving down its halls right
before BOB appeared in the woods.


the host

The Puzzle Box in the Hellraiser movies and the
Silver Box within a Black Box WITHIN a Black Box
are MORE THAN LIKELY similar.  Both are a, um,
'key.'

The giant obviously wasn't trying to warn Coop away from Annie, but rather was
trying to warn Coop that Annie shouldn't enter the Miss Twin Peaks contest.
Things are about to come to a climactic finale on Twin Peaks, and Coop doesn't
even know it yet.   -OOZ

Something dawned on me after the last episode.
   BOB is out.  He is no longer in the Other Place.  evidence:  the light that
ALWAYS accompanies other place scenes went off as he materialized.  He is now a
physical entity in Twin Peaks.  Coop will believe him to be a force of evil,
and that will be a big mistake.
   Except in the dreams, BOB has never shown a preponderance to violence.  He
has always been more interested in pleasure.  It is my conjecture that the
feelings he stirred in Leland drove him insane, and psychotic towards women
(around whom he lost his self control).
   Mike (the one armed man) told Coop that he came to Twin Peaks to find his
old partner and stop him before he could kill again.  Now, correct me if I'm
wrong, but doesn't WE blame Coop for his wife's death.  Didn't Mike and WE both
use the same drug.  Isn't the duality of partners WE/Mike versus Coop/BOB?
   Of course, these are all speculations.   We'll see in June (AHHHHHHH!)
                                                 -OOZ

I found this entry in our on-line Academic American encyclopedia.
It's got trees, giants, Scandinavians, cross-dressing, disturbing
dreams, fire and water, a corruptive woman, and a cataclysmic clash.
Make of it what you will.



TITLE:  Norse Mythology

After 1000 BC some form of Indo-European language was spoken by most
European cultures.  From the middle of the 1st millennium BC, Germanic
tribes lived in southern Scandinavia and northern Germany.  Their
expansions and migrations from the 2d century BC onward are recorded
in history.  Scandinavian and Germanic mythology have a common origin
and structure; they will, therefore, be discussed in their unity.

With the exception of the observations made by the Romans Julius
Caesar and Tacitus, all of the sources on Germanic mythology are late
and Christian.  The main body of traditions is contained in the Prose
Edda of SNORRI STURLUSON (c.1179-1241), an Icelandic historian who is
considered the most accurate editor, redactor, and interpreter of the
religious and mythological sources of the old Norse religion.  The
myth of creation is given in detail only by Snorri, who edited several
sources in presenting a somewhat coherent form.  In the beginning was
a great void (Ginnungagup).  Before the Earth was formed, the world of
death existed; in this world (NIFLHEIM) was a great well, from which
flowed 11 rivers.  South of Niflheim existed an extremely hot world
(Muspell) guarded by a giant called Sutr ("the Black").  The rivers of
Niflheim froze, and these frozen rivers occupied Ginnungagup.  Sparks
from Muspell, however, fell on the rivers and melted them.  Droppings
from this melting took shape as YMIR, the giant, and from Ymir's sweat
other giants, male and female, were formed.

Another version relates that the melting drops took the form of the
primordial cow, Audumbla, who fed Ymir with her milk.  The cow also
licked the salty blocks of ice, shaping them into the form of the
first man, who is called Buri.  Buri has a son, Bor, who marries
Bestla, daughter of a giant, Bolthorr; the children from this union
are the gods ODIN, Vili, and Ve.  Odin and his brothers kill Ymir and
from his body fashion the Earth.  The gods endow two tree trunks with
the qualities of wit, breath, hearing, vision, and so on.  These tree
trunks are the archetypes of the human race; the man is Askr (an ash
tree) and the woman, Embla (a creeper).  They next build ASGARD, the
abode of the gods.  Snorri describes in other versions how a great
tree, Yggdrasil, the tree of fate, arises in the center of the world.
Beneath the tree is the well of fate, which is described as feminine
in form; the course of human life is decided here.  In some versions,
the council of the gods is convened around the tree.  The tree is
supported by three roots; one of these roots stretches to the
underworld (HEL), another to the world of the frost-giants, and the
last one to the world of human beings.  The welfare of the entire
world is dependent on the primordial tree, Yggdrasil.

The Norse deities are divided into two major groups, the Aesir
and the Vanir.  The most important of the Aesir are Odin, THOR, and
sometimes Tyr.  Their counterparts among the Vanir are Njord, FREY,
and FREYA.  The Vanir symbolize riches, fertility, and fecundity.
They are associated with the earth and the sea as these symbolize the
sources of fecundity.  The Aesir symbolize other values:  Odin is a
magician, chief among the gods, and a patron of heroes; Thor, who is
god of the hammer, is an atmospheric deity of thunder who presides
over work.  In many of the Norse mythological cycles these two kinds
of deities live in peace and engage in cooperative enterprises.
Several important versions, however, report that in the distant past a
fierce war was fought between the Aesir and the Vanir.  Some scholars
have interpreted this war between the Aesir and the Vanir as the
reflection of the historical encounter of the Germanic peoples with
indigenous cultures.  Georges Dumezil and Jan de Vries, however, see
the warfare and division among the deities as part of the unitary
structure of Indo-European mythology.  The familiar triad is formed by
Odin and Thor, who divide the functions of the magical lawgiver; Tyr,
the warrior god; and the Vanir, the fertile producers, who are
defeated and subsumed into hierarchy.

In the Norse cycles the conflict between the gods begins when
Odin and Thor, the greatest of the gods, refuse the full status of
godhood to the Vanir.  The latter entreat the Aesir by sending to them
a woman, Gullveig (gold-drink, gold drunkenness), who corrupts them.
War then breaks out.  After both sides are exhausted, each side
exchanges members of its group with the other; the Vanir send Njord
and his son Frey, the Aesir, MIMIR and Hoenir.  The truce is
celebrated by a meeting at which all the gods spit into a bowl,
creating a giant called Kvasir, who is the sign of peace and harmony
among the deities.  Kvasir is later sacrificed and from his blood a
more potent drink for the gods is made.  Kvasir thus becomes the drink
that inebriates deities and gives inspiration to the poets.

An important mythological episode involves the deities BALDER and
LOKI.  Balder, one of the sons of Odin, appears as the essence of
intelligence, piety, and wisdom.  He holds court in a hall in heaven
called Glitnir.  Both gods and men come to him to settle legal
disputes, and his judgments are reconciling and fair.  Loki is a giant
who is an Aesir by adoption.  He and Odin have made a vow of
friendship.

Balder has a very disturbing dream in which his life is threatened.
Upon reporting this dream to the Aesir, his mother, FRIGG, exacts an
oath from fire and water, all metals, bird and beast, and earth and
stones that they will not harm Balder.  After this the Aesir begin to
amuse themselves by placing Balder in the midst of them and throwing
darts and stones at him.  Because of the oath Balder remains unharmed.
When Loki sees this spectacle, he disguises himself as a woman and
inquires of Frigg why Balder suffers no harm.  Frigg tells him of the
oath and also tells him of the one form of nature from which she did
not exact the oath, the mistletoe.  Loki immediately brings the
mistletoe to the assembly of the Aesir and offers it to the blind god
Hoder, brother of Balder, volunteering to direct his aim so that he
can participate in the game.  When the mistletoe strikes Balder, he
falls dead.  The Aesir want to take vengeance on the perpetrator of
the deed, but because of the sanctity of the court they cannot.
Because Balder is not a warrior and does not die in battle, he does
not go to VALHALLA, the hall of slain heroes, but into the domain of
Hel, keeper of the dead.  When Odin requests his release, Hel responds
that if everything in the world both dead and alive weeps for Balder,
then he can return to the Aesir; otherwise he will remain with Hel.
The Aesir send messengers throughout the world requiring all nature,
humanity, gods, and beasts to weep for Balder.  All respond except a
giantess, Thokk (Loki in disguise), whose refusal to weep forces
Balder to remain in Hel's domain.

The Aesir finally succeed in capturing Loki and chaining him to
prevent him from carrying out his evil tricks.  The prediction is,
however, that he will one day break these chains.  This will be the
sign for the loosing of all evil, monsters and giants, to attack the
gods in the great battle of RAGNAROK, the twilight of the gods.  Odin
will be devoured by the wolf FENRIR, who will then be killed by Vidar,
a son of Odin.  Terrible fights will rage among the gods and the
forces of evil until finally the primeval god HEIMDALL and Loki come
face to face and kill each other.  The Earth will then be destroyed by
fire, and the entire universe will sink back into the sea.  This final
destruction will be followed by a rebirth, the Earth reemerging from
the sea, verdant and teeming with vegetation.  The sons of the dead
Aesir will return to Asgard and reign, as did their fathers.

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#It *shouldn't* bother you that Dale might fail to heed the Giant's
#warning.  The Giant's warning is extremely obvious to us, since we've
#been given *far* more information than Coop -- *we* know all too well
#exactly what "queen" means in this context; Dale doesn't. 

Didn't WE say something about the white queen in his taped message to 
Coop?  I would think that he would make the connection between WE and 
queens at least, even though he doesn't know specifically what WE has in 
store for Miss TP.  But of course, all those carbonated hormones are 
interfering with this thought processes something fierce.....

MVB
"If it wasn't for disappointment, I wouldn't have any appointments."--TMBG
Disclaimer:  Not my planet, Monkeyboy!

In article <11821@jarthur.Claremont.EDU>, dsolomon@jarthur.Claremont.EDU
(Daniel Solomon) writes:
> > Actually, I think that it might be better for the show if it isn't picked up.
> > We are heading for one really big climax, and it wouldn't do the show
> > justice to leave a lot of gaping holes just so there will be stories to pick
> > up on.  Don't get me wrong, I love the show, but I would prefer to see the
> > show go out with a bang, then to get picked up, and slowly die due to lack
> > of any real tension.  The entire series has been building up to the White
> > Lodge/Black Lodge confrontation that will (assumedly) take place in the
> > finale.  One that takes place, the show won't really have anything left to
> > sustain it at the level that we have grown to love.

Of course, that's what people said about the WKLP story line, too.  I think
that Lynch/Frost are intelligent and creative enough to keep the show
going into the future.  Certainly they think so.

-Steve

> >      A question: has someone out there kept track of the dates that each
> > episode played in the US?  I have managed to record each and every single one,
> > but I haven't been labeling them very religiously.  Please e-mail to me; I'll
> > post if there is enough interest.

Edwin Nomura's timelines of the TP episodes include the date(s) aired. So does
my MS Word (Mac) formatted compilation of these timelines. Both are available
from the TP anonymous FTP site, audrey.sait.edu.au [130.220.16.88] , directory
/pub/twin-peaks .

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In article <11059@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, russelrd@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
(Robert Russell) writes:
|> I think that the number was only fluctuating before because Jupiter
|> and
|> Saturn were relatively far apart, now that they are close, the
|> number
|> of "missing" has greatly increased. According to the book, the
|> people
|> are actually erased (or written into) from time itself, never having
|> existed.

Which could neatly explain what has happened to the One-Armed Man, Sarah
Palmer, Ben Horne's wife, etc. :-) J

I have been away for a while so I was wondering if somebody has some kind of
timeline for the episodes 2/16/91-4/18/91. Will somebody please email them to
me.

Thanks
Maarten Joosen
-- __ | | Cooper: Harry, I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. Every _____| |_ day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, (______) \____ don't wait for it, just... let it happen. Could be a new

   Windom Earle disguises himself as a South African cop and gets
Jones out of jail.  They should be a fun couple.

   Least likely winner of Miss TP: the Log lady

   Back from the dead (kind of): We see Leland, Laura, Harold Smith,
Geoffrey Marsh, Thomas Eckard, and Josie on an episode of Invitation
to Love (perhaps in the background while the characters in the fore-
ground are paying no attention to the tv).  Another possibliity:
Leland as a participant in a golf tournament.

   The flapping owl we've been seeing is David Lynch winging it.

In article <10728@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600koga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Jeff "Koganuts" Koga) writes:
> >
> > 18.  Animal heads:
> >A chicken head (maybe a whole chicken) on "'Big'
> >  Ed's Gas Farm" sign (see #33),
> >The mounted deer head in the Sheriff's Office with
> >  the sign "The Buck Stopped Here"
> >The deer head that's on the table when Sheriff Truman
> >  and Agent Cooper bring in Laura Palmer's safety
> >  deposit box,
> >The assortment of trophys in the den (?) in
> >  Pete/Catherine Martell's home,
> >The deer head next to Eric Powell,
> >The cooked pig head that Josie serves as the main
> >  course in the dinner to Catherine Martell and
> >  Thomas Eckhardt, and
> >The mounted dear head in the Book House
> >
> > 27.  Furry animals:
> >The llama,
> >Josie Packard's vicuua coat (well, kind of >=)),
> >The white animal (fox?) in Benjamin Horne's office, and
> >The pine weasel

This may fall under #18, but what about that goat (?) head that stared so
evilly as the black box was opened?

--
*  From the disk of:  | jms@vanth.uucp     | "You know I never knew
Jim Shaffer, Jr.      | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | that it could be so
37 Brook Street       | uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms  | strange..."
Montgomery, PA 17752  | 72750.2335@compuserve.com    |     (R.E.M.)

Ugggh! My VCR had a mental Meltodwn last Wednesday and
did not tape Twin Peaks. If anyone in the Boston area 
has a copy I could borrow I'd be extremely greatful.

Thanks,
Rob

-- Robert Mee Boston University Information Technology (rem@bu-it.bu.edu)

In article <1991Apr22.010937.23314@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> sarwate@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Sanjiv Sarwate) writes:

> >The local (Champaign, IL) and nearby major metropolitan (Chicago) TV listings
> >both say an episode is being shown this week (4/25).  Is this true, or did
> >someone in printing screw up again?

I'd say someone screwed up again.  Or actually just followed their normal
practice of putting the things together about three weeks in advance.  But
I'd call that screwing up.  In this age of computers, there is NO
conceivable excuse in my philosophy for such a long lead time.

BUT, with that out of the way....

What about that listing, eh?  "Dr. Jacoby conducts an unusual therapy
session."  I wonder, could BOB be having trouble adjusting to physical
existence?  :-)

--
*  From the disk of:  | jms@vanth.uucp     | "You know I never knew
Jim Shaffer, Jr.      | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | that it could be so
37 Brook Street       | uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms  | strange..."
Montgomery, PA 17752  | 72750.2335@compuserve.com    |     (R.E.M.)

In article <1991Apr23.094013.12463@pbs.org> mpax@pbs.org (Cool Bean) writes:
> >In article <6069@vela.acs.oakland.edu>, rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:

>> >> I hear it as "dungpa", which is quite reminiscent of "trungpa", a
. . .

> >Hey Rod!  These things I tell you will be true.  Ask jayembee.  He posted it
> >once a long time ago and was nice enough to Mail me a copy.  Well, actually
> >I could forward it to you.  Guess I'll try to do that.  Although I'm not
> >real good with Mail.

Hey Bean!  You and Jerry were both kind enough to send me a copy,
thanks.  I guess Jerry's reposting didn't make it at this site.
Aren't you proud of me for figuring it out all by myself?

My guess is (still) that the lollipops on the map represent these
dugpas and perhaps their White Lodge counterparts.  That's a
PREDICTION.


-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Peter--push the plug" --Josie Packard

rdees@umiami.ir.miami.edu (Matthion) passed along the info that:
   >>>  A couple of words on the Jupiter/Saturn conjunction...In our world, 
   >>>the last conjunctions between them occured in late 1980 through mid 
   >>>1981. (There were actually three exact conjunctions then due to the
   >>>retrograde motion of both planets.)  The next will not occur until
   >>>the end of May 2000.  This does not correspond with any TP time
   >>>frame, but who ever said it should?

...leading me to wonder:
   >>  If this is true, and it takes ~20 years between conjunctions, then
   >>in 1991, are they in perfect opposition??? 

...to which bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) replied:
> >Actually, they are.  Given that Jupiter and Saturn line up on the same side of
> >the sun every 19.85 years, that means they line up on opposite sides of the
> >sun 9.93 years after...

...which brings us up to date...

i just got some e-mail (thank you, thank you) to the effect
that, according to ephemeris data, Jupiter and Saturn are due to be in
perfect opposition sometime during the second week of May, 1991, a
couple weeks from now (any confirmations of this?).  Hmm...when were
the last episodes for this season supposed to air, before TP get the
axe...?

This event also happens in 20 year cycles, according to Brett's
posting.  This suggests an interesting theory.  Maybe we have only
part of the story.  Maybe access to one lodge becomes possible only
during conjunctions, while access to the other is possible only during
oppositions.  Of course, this would suggest 2 distinct lodges,
destroying my "aleph" theory of the nature of the lodges.

On the other hand, perhaps the two lodges are same (preserving
the aleph theory), but access is directional depending upon the status
of Jupiter and Saturn.  That is, people/spirits on "this side" of the
lodge/aleph/whatever can get "in" during conjunctions, but those on
the "other side" can not get "out" to our world, and vice-versa during
oppositions.

Admitting both conjunctions and oppositions as nexus points
heightens the duality of the lodge interpretation, yet still preserves
the "something odd happened twenty years ago" observations.  Plus it
concretely ties in with an astronomical event apparently scheduled to occur
around the time the second season would have been concluding.

Or is this stretching too far...?

rob

Hi fellow peakers!  I just figured out how to post on this damn thing! 
This is my first posting!  So I have some questions that go way back:

1)  Rememer the last episode of last season, where Jacoby is whacked over the
    head and has a heart attck?  Who was it who did it?  Did we ever find out,
    cause I have every episode on tape and I don't remember seeing anything about
    it?
2)  That horse that we see is in front of Mrs. Palmer is the same one that is
    mentioned in Laura's diary, right?  I remember reading in there that Laura 
    get's a pony or something and it dies...

If any of you guys know the answer to any of those question, surely e-mail me, OK
and please write to ABC and tell Bob Iger not to cancel TP!  I know it might not
make any difference, but ask yourself this:  Will your concience ever forgive you
for letting TP die without doing anything about it?  Also, if you live in the
LA area, try calling KABC for info.  What they do is they put on this recording
that gives you info(address for ABC, too) and then they let you talk, so they
"can know you concern about their programming"!  So, please call and write your
hearts out, OK, but keep it clean, because profanity could be counter-productive!
The number for KABC is (I think)  213-557-7777.  Give em a peice of your mind.
If you just wanna chat about TP, just e-mail, OK!  I love getting mail...

Niraj Mehta (nmehta@usc.edu)
"But now the holy dollar rules everybody's live...
"Gotta make a million, doesn't matter who dies...
"Revolution calling you..."
--Queensryche

I think that the scene with Pete at the Great Northern was relatively
important.  In the scene prior to this one, we see that Ben is startled
by something or SOMEONE.  Next, flash to Pete in the lobby by a
fireplace talking about or perhaps TO Josie.  As he leaves the lobby, he
turns around and waves.  However, only one person is in the lobby, a man
who had not even been talking to Pete.  I belive that Pete and Ben have
seen Josie.

                    Ken

In article <16758@chaph.usc.edu> ramos@aludra.usc.edu (Luis Ramos) writes:
> >A friend of a friend who works for the CIA mentioned something interesting to
> >me regarding the Project Blue Book. At some point in time, he said that Pres.
> >George Bush was somehow involved in this project and that he even has a
> >tattoo to prove it. Anyway, everything began to make sense for me upon viewing

I don't know about Bluebook, but Bush was (is?) supposedly head of MJ12...

> >The reason why the government has been so secretive about the Project Blue
> >Book is because they actually have the planet Jupiter wired up with atomic
> >bombs and of course hell will break loose once environmental types learn
> >of this. The probes that were sent out to Jupiter (was it the Magellan) had
> >a secret mission of planting these bombs all over the planet. Apparently,
> >
> >P.S. The planting of atomic bombs in Jupiter is not true. It is a solution
> >     that one would probably find in a Superman movie but hey, it is a
> >     solution; and we have the technology.

Hmmm.  I've heard of people who actually *believe* this!  I never bothered
paying enough attention to them to figure out where they got the story, but
it has Bill Cooper written over it, or maybe one of his disciples.  I wish
they'd disappear and let someone actually get some work done in the
field...

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In article <3417@beguine.UUCP> George.Harris@bbs.acs.unc.edu (George Harris) writes:
> >Oh-by-the-way, tha silver block Catherine & Abdrew found is actually
> >a sub-critical mass of plutonium, & they'll both die of radiation poisoning.
> >(just kidding)

Seriously, that's my bet for the true nature of the metal block.  It fits a
couple of requirements:

1) The box contents must be valuable -- a gift from Eckhart in return for
the delivery of Josie to him.
Uranium or plutonium is valuable.

2) The box contents must be malicious - Eckhart is no friend of the Packards,
and when Jones delivered the box she said "good luck".
Radiation poisoning is pretty nasty.

3) The box contents must be exotic or illegal - Eckhart is involved in
heavily illegal things from an exotic place.
Plutonium isn't available at your corner 7-11.

4) The box had a good heft to it.
I bet the outer boxes were wood-lined lead sheets.

Notice, too, that Pete (a sympathetic character who we don't want to die of
radiation poisoning) has been out of the house all the while the Packards have
been opening the second box.  Now he's (conveniently) out fishing all night.


Brad Needham
bradn@augsburg.pen.tek.com

in my previous posting, i stated (among other things):
  >>i just got some e-mail (thank you, thank you) to the effect
  >>that, according to ephemeris data, Jupiter and Saturn are due to be in
  >>perfect opposition sometime during the second week of May, 1991, a
  >>couple weeks from now (any confirmations of this?).  Hmm...when were
  >>the last episodes for this season supposed to air, before TP get the
  >>axe...?

and, in article <23APR91.13373732@uc780.umd.edu>, tony@uc780.umd.edu replied:
  >I think it isn't really significant since the time period within
  >the show itself is still 1990...  Laura was killed in February, and
  >Spring '90 is just coming on in the "Twin Peaks" world.

to which i respond:

Perhaps.  But if the conjunction/opposition thread is viable,
this seems to me a more tangible connection than supposing Lynch&Co,
would completely invent an astronomical event not scheduled to occur
for 10 years after the alleged time frame of TP.
Then again, who knows, given their fixation with certain
phases of the moon...
rob

Due to the fact that I am not a computer wizard, I have been unable
to forward the kindly sent message from jayembee about the dugpas as
requested by some of you.  Therefore, I will now retype it.  

I said:  And when they showed that tape of WE at Project Blue Book, he
         was talking about the evil sould and that they are called
 ______????  What did they say they were called?  

Someone Else:  They were called the Black Lodge.

Jayembee:  No, what "Cool Bean" is looking for is "dugpas".

J [from now on]:  Way back when the Major first mentioned the White Lodge
to Coop, I posted the following.  Seems like a good time to repost it...
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Major Briggs:  "There are powerful forces of evil.  It is some men's fate
to face great darkness.  We each choose how to react.  If the choice
is fear, then we become vulnerable to darkness.  There are ways to
resist.  You, sir, were blessed with cerain gifts.  In this respect,
you're not alone.  Have you ever heard of the White Lodge?

Cooper:  "The White Lodge.  No, I don't belive I have."

Well, Cooper hasn't, but I have.  I don't know of any other "legitimate"
source for the reference, but following are quotes from the fantasy
adventure novel THE DEVIL'S GUARD (a.k.a. RAMSDEN) by Talbot Mundy,
first published in 1926, and sadly out of print for the last 20 years.
The page numbers cited are for the 1968 Avon Books paperback edition,
though if you happen across a different edition and are inclined to look
up the quotes, they can be found in Chapter XII, entitled "Dugpas".

[Background:  James Schuyler Grim (a.k.a. Jimgrim") and his companions
Jeff ramsden, Narayan Singh, and Chullander Ghose are hired  to find 
Elmer Rait, a fellow American who's disappeared in Tibet.  Along the way,
they are beset by perils both natural and human.]

Gring went on talking:  "It's known, even in this monastery that the
dugpas have caught Rait.  Dugpas is the name for sorcerers who 
cultivate evil for the sake of evil--that's as close as I come to 
understanding it--they're vaguely like the Klai-worshippers of India.  
The people Rait set out to reach,, and whom we want to reach, are the
students of Life, so to speak--much in the same way the Luther Burbank
studies botany, for the love of it.  The dugpas are as much their enemies
as the Law of gravity is the enemy of the will to rise.  Rait had
intelligence enough to work his way into the outer fringe of the dugpa
mysteries, but that was his limit.  He began to try to use the Dalai Lama's
letter that he stole from Mordecai.  The Dalai Lama--or the Kun-Dun as they
call him-- and the Tashi Lama of Shigatze, are the trusted outer 
representatives of the inner secret White Lodge, whose headquarters is said 
to be Sham-bha-la."  (p. 120-1)

Lhaten was talking..."--No, the White Lodge is not at Sham-bha-la, but some
of its brotherhood live there.  The White Lodge never interferes with 
individuals, as such, any more than Nature may be said to interfere with 
individuals, as such.  The greatest good of the greatest number always; and
no favorites.  Do the stars, for instance, limit teir light to individuals?
Yet one learns more about them than another.  How?  By trying; by 
concentration on the study.  do the stars come nearer?  No.  do they treat
him differently?  No.  Neither does the White Lodge make distinctions.  It
is secret, just as electricity was secret before Thales, Golbet,
Faraday, and all of the others following them, discovered something about
it.  Electricity was thee, always, but they had to find it; and having found
it they could give it to the world, to use or misuse.  Was electicity confined
to any one place?  No.  Neither is the White Lodge confined to any one place.
But some places are more suitable than others, just as thee are certain places
where it is more practical to establish electric plants..."

"How has the White Lodge kept its secret all these years?"  Grim asked.

"Who kept the secret of electricity?" Lhaten answered.  "was there any need
to keeep it, while men were too stupid, or too busily engaged in cutting one
another's throats (which is the same thing!) even to look for it?  They were 
too superstitiious to dare to investigate; afraid to be mocked or burned for 
heresy.  Nowadays men know not much more, and they are as supersitious and as
cocksure as ever.  Nine tenths of them will mock you if you speak of the 
existance of the White Lodge; of the remaining tenth, some will try to put 
you in a lunatic asylum, some will curse you in the name of their religion,
and theremainder wil try to belive you for various reasons, mos of them 
selfish..." (p 124-5)

"To pursue evil, a man must have evil tendencies which will increase through
cultivation as he becomesmore and more responsive to the impulses that 
govern evil.  OWLS LIVE IN THE DARK.  [emphasis - jayembee]
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
While whales swim in the sea.  Men with scientific tendencies discover Laws
of nature.  Only those who have the character pertaining to the path they 
choose can succeed in the end; and though a shoemaker, like Kabir, can b
become a poet, that was because he had the poet's nature.  In the same way,
only they who have the necessary character can find or be eceived into the 
White Lodge, although anyone can receive its benefits, as anyone may read 
the poems of Kabir." (p. 128)

**Any typos are mine. [Cool Bean]

--Cool Bean
-- **This is not cultural.

In article <91113.105945JDO106@psuvm.psu.edu> JDO106@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> >Something dawned on me after the last episode.

> >   Except in the dreams, BOB has never shown a preponderance to violence.  He
> >has always been more interested in pleasure.  It is my conjecture that the
> >feelings he stirred in Leland drove him insane, and psychotic towards women
> >(around whom he lost his self control).
 
I like this theory very much.  BOB seems to be a personification of the
id, as Freud would call it, just simply desire, the life force. Desire
in a very repressed or warped person is the pressure that causes 
them to break out into bad behavior but only because the id is not allowed
natural, free expression.
 
I've been trying to use psychoanalysis to develop a Grand General Theory
of Twin Peaks.  By that way of looking at things, BOB is Id, Windom Earle
is maybe Shadow or simple intelligence, Cooper is superego,etc. but I'm
not too happy with the theory actually and hope that something other
than psychoanalytic thinking will be revealed in the final episode.  
 
But I do like the idea of BOB revealed as good. Bob vs. Windom Earl,
passion vs logic, mad dog vs. mad machine. I like it.
 
a.h.
> >   Mike (the one armed man) told Coop that he came to Twin Peaks to find his
> >old partner and stop him before he could kill again.  Now, correct me if I'm
> >wrong, but doesn't WE blame Coop for his wife's death.  Didn't Mike and WE both
> >use the same drug.  Isn't the duality of partners WE/Mike versus Coop/BOB?
> >   Of course, these are all speculations.   We'll see in June (AHHHHHHH!)
> >                                                 -OOZ

In <12795y9182367wtey9124yiwtuyasdBLOJO1392.apr91@geech> blojo@ai.mit.edu writes:

> >Shannon D. Appel writes:

>> >> I just got the Twin Peaks sound track the other day, and I got to
>> >> thinking about the signpost (Welcome to Twin Peaks...Population xx,xxx).
>> >> I started looking through the old episodes, and found that the population
>> >> figure has been slowly dropping for a long time.  Every time someone
>> >> has been killed in Peaks, the signpost has been appropriately decremented,
>> >> and it has been incremented the few times we've had people come back
>> >> (Andrew, Catherine). This really came to my attention due to the extreme
>> >> decrease in the figure last week, between the first and third commercial
>> >> breaks.  Anyone have any ideas as to where those 300 people went?

> >Are you sure it's only 300 people?  I went back and looked at the first
> >episode and at my Twin Peaks CD cover, both of which list the Twin Peaks
> >population (as read on the sign) at 51,201.  It fluctuates minorly until
> >the last episode, where it undergoes a major change, as you said.
> >But I really couldn't tell if it was 50,882 or 50,002.  (The resolution
> >on my TV was really fuzzy.)  But I *think* it is really *50,002*!
> >This has major ramifications as to the plot.

Or major ramifications as to the '90 census.
(said "California is the place you ought to be,"
so they loaded up the truck and moved to Beverly...)

sj

In article <1991Apr23.055511.16050@panix.uucp>, dfl@panix.uucp (Danny Lieberman) writes:
> >
> >THAT WAS the ABSOLUTE BEST CINEMA-WISE shot I found in the whole episode,
> >actually.  the blood/coffee drip-drip.  i don't think it means that ANNIE


I liked it, but I liked the ending much better -- the fire ring with
the reflection forming the image of an owl's left eye.

And I really really like the misunderstood BOB theory.  If it isn't 
like that, it should be.

And I'll toss in my vote for the Log Lady to win, and demonstrate
unmistakeably to WE why the queen is the most powerful piece.

Steve

lazer@lablues.UUCP (Patrick Delahanty) writes:
> >I really don't care for Twin Peaks...maybe because it's so low in the
> >Nealsons.  I'm a Quantum Leap fan myself!  :)

That's nice, now go away.

> >:-)

--
bvickers@ics.uci.edu | "Only a large-scale popular movement toward
brett@ucippro.bitnet |  decentralization and self-help can arrest the
                     |  present tendency toward statism." - Aldous Huxley

In article <1991Apr22.211155.4868@colorado.edu> ingraffi@tramp.colorado.edu (INGRAFFIA EDMOND J) writes:
> >
> >I ust noticced that everyone is now referring to the "evil spirits" 
> >(that WE mentioned) as "dugpas"....

I heard it as "dougfus", a play on words for "Douglas Firs".

When Donna is in the attic examining her birth certificate, we see the
"Mother's Maiden Name" listed as "Eileen HAYWARD".  Did the TP production
crew screw up and not invent a maiden name for her, or does this imply that
Dr. and Mrs. Hayward aren't husband and wife?  (I'm betting on the former.)

And while you're looking at the certificate, why is the state and county
scratched out?  Can't the TP folks pick a county for the town of Twin Peaks,
or is there some deeper meaning?  (Again, I'm guessing the former.)

Do you think that Annie has anything to do with the twitching of the hands
of the people of Twin Peaks?
 
Could it be the cherry pie?
 
-Andrew Ferguson

In article <FwuT15w164w@lablues.UUCP> lazer@lablues.UUCP (Patrick Delahanty) writes:

> >I really don't care for Twin Peaks...maybe because it's so low in the
> >Nealsons.  I'm a Quantum Leap fan myself!  :)

So why the hell are you posting in alt.tv.twin-peaks?

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Peter--push the plug" --Josie Packard

From the Cribsheet to TP Resources:

S5. Address of "the right person" in Fox Network --
Peter Chernin, President, Fox Entertainment Group
10201 W. Pico Blvd., Executive Bldg. 88 Suite 336
Los Angeles, CA. 90035
(213) 203-3377

--Keith Dawson
dawson@epps.kodak.com

I noticed something while re-watching 2017 (the first one after the
hiatus).  In the recap for Diane that occurs before the opening, Cooper says:

"Meanwhile, I find myself suffused with a vague sense of contentment,
a premonition of happiness.  I hope I will be ready when it comes."

During this, they show the exact same scene in 2019 with Annie and
Cooper in the boat on the lake, then zoom in starting with Annie's
hand in the water, with the ducks swimming around, panning up towards
her face but stopping before they show her.

I don't know if this means anything that we don't already know except
that they definitely film at least three shows in advance.

sj

Wrt the coffee //syrup controversy after rhte dishes crashed in the
RR, I'm going to have to come down on the coffee side of the fence (or what-
ever.)  Just before they cut to the slo-mo view of the liquid in question, 
they show a from above shot of the fallen dishes, & there is a cup filled with
a black liquid which is just spilling over the rim (barely).  Since syrup does
not usually come in a cup, I'd have to say this was probably coffee.

Its viscosity is explained away ny the fact that it was being shown in
slow-motion close-up, so ti only *seemde* viscous.

Oh-by-the-way, re that final spooky scene in the woods.  You remember
of course that just before Bob's right arm appeasred, a spot of light shows up
towards the left of the frame?  Well, *i* think this was just the sp[otlight 
that they used to highlight Bob's arm.  I mean, in most of Coop's visions a
mystical spotlight shows up to highlight whocver is important.  Remember, a
spotlight appeared when Bob/Leland killed Maddie, too.  I'll bet that someibne
with a good tv & vcr could fing Bob's arm's shadow in that pool of lihgt if 
he (//she) looked closely enough.

I *still* think that metal block is plutonium.  (:-])

"Everything that exceeds the consumer's requirements is held violently"
-Thomas Aquinas
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Jacob S. Weinstein writes that "nobody had a snowball's chance in hell
of figuring out WKLP. Really. The only clue I can think of that we were
given is that the only time BOB appeared outside of Coop's visions was
in the Palmer household. Can anyone think of any other bits of evidence?"

Well, sure. Unfortunately, I don't have any of the episodes on tape, so
I can't tell you which it was, but I distinctly remember a few weeks
before we found out, Coop and Truman were at the station with Leland
when he came to tell them about his experience in the woods with a man
that looked a lot like the rough sketch Coop made up. He said when he
was a kid, this man lived in this house in the woods, and some other
bullshit. Then he lit a match, camera closeup on it, he grinned and said
something about fire (?). This made up my mind for me, especially with
the intensity that Coop looked at him. I believe he said under his
breath, "We have our man."

Mike

In article <1991Apr23.185629.175@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
[previous lines deleted]
> >But I do like the idea of BOB revealed as good. Bob vs. Windom Earl,
> >passion vs logic, mad dog vs. mad machine. I like it.

Rather not BOB as good. Against all we've seen of BOB (ie, the scene of BOB
crawling over the couch to get Maddie, the scene of BOB after Josie's death
(and the talk of BOB in Laura's diary) I still get the feeling of BOB as an
evil entity. More like BOB and WE would face off as two opposing evils:

Calculated evil vs. Preplotted evil

--------------------------
Cliff

cbwood@gnu.ai.mit.edu
aralyn@eddie.ee.vt.edu

"And remember, my son: Nothing is ever absolute..."
said the teacher before he dissappeared from this plain like a passing tought
through an open mind.

"Purple Rain! Purple Rain!" -- Prince, probably one of the best musical talents
who has ever lived.

In article <16758@chaph.usc.edu> ramos@aludra.usc.edu (Luis Ramos) writes:
> >[genuinely humourous article deleted]
> >Happy Earth Day,
> >Louie
> >
> >P.S. The planting of atomic bombs in Jupiter is not true. It is a solution
> >     that one would probably find in a Superman movie but hey, it is a 
> >     solution; and we have the technology.


We may have the technology to detonate nuclear devices on Jupiter, but do
we have the technology to cause Jupiter to notice, let alone destroy it?  
That's one helluva big planet you're talking about there, Louie!

--
"The Earth ain't just across the street, you know!"





-- =Malcolm Austin================================================================ maus@fid.morgan.com | I have discovered a remarkable quotation for this #include <disclaimer.h>| .sig, but this space is too small to contain it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Laura Palmer as Miss TP?

So, Horse said that we wouldn't believe who will win Miss twin Peaks, huh?

How about Denise coming back and taking the crown?

Mike

In article <jms.4187@vanth.UUCP> jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
> >In article <1991Apr20.092814.21602@athena.mit.edu> astronut@athena.mit.edu (Robert M Sanner) writes:
>> >>
>> >>I'm a bit behind in the postings, so forgive me if this has already
>> >>been pointed out, but why couldn't this "paw print" be (yet another) symbol
>> >>for Jupiter?  The planet itself, with its four Galilean satellites (Io,
>> >>Europa, Ganymede, and Callisto) would be all ancient star gazers would be
>> >>able to discern...
> >
> >It would only be Jupiter if seen from over one of its own poles.  Jupiter,
> >like everything else except Uranus, has its axis more-or-less perpendicular
> >to the ecliptic plane, so from Earth or anywhere else in the plane, it
> >looks like this:
> >
> >. . *  .   .
> >
> >Where the "."s are the Galilean satellites and "*" is Jupiter.
> >

It would only be Jupiter if the moons could even be seen on Earth by 
"ancient star gazers", by which I assume you mean young, virile star-gazers 
who lived a long time ago.

The reason they are called the Galilean moons is that Galileo discovered
them!  With that new-fangled telescope doo-hickey.  "Ancient star-gazers"
(or was that "star-geezers")  couldn't see them.  If they had, it would have 
blown that ol' time geocentrism theory sky-high (if you'll pardon the 
expression).

Well, maybe not.  They did manage to get Mercury and Venus as satellities 
of the Sun (which they are), and it was still turtles all the way down.

But Jupiter and its moons would look more like this:

                  *

Where the "."s are the Galilean satellites and "*" is Jupiter.

Now, the reports that some ancient, primitive tribe knew of the existence
of a dark companion to the Dog Star is a more sirius matter. :^)

--
"And you call yourself a scientist!"
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In article <6BB8D3D0206067A8@UMAECS> GIOVIN%POLLUX@ecs.umass.edu (Rocky Giovinazzo) writes:

   >From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
   >Subject: Re: GREAT episode

   >I would love to know why we had the sudden flash to that animal (mountain
   >goat?) hanging on the wall, though!
   My personal theory is that spirits inhabit not only wood and
   owls but also other things found in the woods.  The various moose (stag?)
   heads we've seen around Twin Peaks as well as the "goat"-head behind
   Andrew.  This would indicate that a spirit was watching Andrew and
   Catherine.  By exclusive whiteness of the goat, I would guess that the
   spirit is a "good" one.

The trouble with this is that I don't think mountain goats live in the
woods.  They would be higher up above treeline, if any of the
mountains in the area go that high.  This is a part of the Twin Peaks
environment we haven't been exposed to for the most part, although I
suppose it could be a significant new development.  I suppose the
mountain goats could be the mountaintop counterpart to the owls.
Somehow thought I doubt that this will play out very much this late in
the story.

I suppose spirits could move into the animal heads that are already
stuffed, as Josie's spirit seems to have moved into the drawer knob.
It certainly was an intriguing image for the camera to focus on at
that point, giving the viewer something ELSE to wonder about besides
"What's that metallic thing?"  I'm trying to think of any particular
symbolism traditionally attached to goats that might explain the shot
as a way of underscoring some attribute of Catherine and Andrew that
was being expressed (their greed, primarily, although I think that goats
were actually symbols of rampant sexuality).  I guess we'll just have
to wait and see if it comes up again later...

Barb Miller

In article <FwuT15w164w@lablues.UUCP> lazer@lablues.UUCP (Patrick Delahanty) writes:
> >I really don't care for Twin Peaks...maybe because it's so low in the
> >Nealsons.  I'm a Quantum Leap fan myself!  :)
> > 
> >-Lazer

Hey Lazer, you seem to be suffering from self destructive tendencies.
You got a death wish or something?  

I like QL too, but lord knows there's plenty of space in the wasteland
of network tv.

From _Broadcasting_, Vol. 118, April 23, 1990, one year ago today:

In an interview, Bob Iger says:

"The point is, if you've got a creative entity you believe in,
you've got to give it a shot. And that's what the business is
all about right now. It's about giving [Twin Peaks producer]
David Lynch the chance to do a network series; no matter how
bizarre, no matter how different it feels, no matter how
different an experience for the viewer Twin Peaks will be; you
have to give that a chance. And when we stop doing things like
that, when we stop taking chances, when we stop giving people
with different ideas and different backgrounds and different
concepts a chance, then we're dead. The only rule I have right
now, aside from the fact that we have to constantly be aggressive
in marketing our product, is that there really are no rules."

An article before this one concerned TP and "America's Funniest
Home Videos" as the two shows that were ABC's future -- the ones
that would finally put them ahead of NBC. If I remember correctly,
"Videos" debuted in the Sunday night spot, and has stayed there
ever since, doing fantastic. TP debuted in the Thursday at 9:00
slot (besides the movie pilot), and promptly got ABC its best
ratings ever in that slot. So, of course they promptly pulled
it and we know all the rest...

If the series ends during the 2-hour season finale, this is how I
picture the last 15 minutes:

Focuses on the Great Northern for a few seconds, with snow falling.
Then pulls back slowly, losing focus as it does. We end up looking
at a model of the Great Northern in one of those crystal balls that
snow when you shake them. It is held by Johnny Horne, who is sitting
in front of the fireplace with Ben smoking a cigar, reading about the
Civil War, and Eileen sitting in her wheelchair knitting or something.
Johnny drops the ball, and it rolls across the floor. Ben and Eileen
stand up, and the rest of the cast comes into the room. They all link
arms and sing "We Will Ride Again" as Laura's plastic-wrapped body
descends from above. After the last note, we see the familiar Lynch/
Frost title and it ends.

I'll put in my vote for Heather Graham, also. (Although I would take
Sheryl Lee in either Maddy or Laura (alive, please) form).

Just a few of my disturbed thoughts,

-Steve

"He was such a pretty baby, always so kind and gentle...
really considerate to his mother. Not at all the kind of person
you'd expect to pulverize their opponent into a bloody mass of
flesh and raw bone, spitting teeth and fragments of gum into a
ring which had become one man's hell and Ken's glory."

IMHO, Ken Clean-Air-System could kick Hollyfield's butt any day...

appel@xcf.Berkeley.EDU (Shannon D. Appel) writes:

> >I just got the Twin Peaks sound track the other day, and I got to
> >thinking about the signpost (Welcome to Twin Peaks...Population xx,xxx).
> >I started looking through the old episodes, and found that the population
> >figure has been slowly dropping for a long time.  Every time someone
> >has been killed in Peaks, the signpost has been appropriately decremented,
> >and it has been incremented the few times we've had people come back
> >(Andrew, Catherine). This really came to my attention due to the extreme
> >decrease in the figure last week, between the first and third commercial
> >breaks.  Anyone have any ideas as to where those 300 people went?
          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
       Probably watching CHEERS over at NBC since ABC killed TWIN PEAKS.
      No No maybe the ABC executives are killing them off like the rest of its
      viewers.

    BTW who left the gate open. 276 articles wow thats great!!!! To bad
    we may se the last of Twin Peaks before too long.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
dtburton@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu   EECS
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

I was watching the movie "Sunset Boulevard" the other day. In this flick
there is a minor character named... Gordon Cole. He works for Paramount 
Studios in the Props Department (I think). 

Seems likely that David Lynch cribbed his name for his Twin Peaks 
character, especially since "Sunset Boulevard" is an off-the-wall, but 
classic, movie Lynch probably has seen. 

Did I drink too much cough syrup in my youth or has anyone suspected this?


Mike Melnyk
rmm@ipac.caltech.edu

The views expressed above are those of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory,

In article <cc5_maK00Uh7I0cN9V@andrew.cmu.edu> mt1z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Bruce Tomblyn) writes:
> >Jacob S. Weinstein writes that "nobody had a snowball's chance in hell
> >of figuring out WKLP. Really. The only clue I can think of that we were
> >given is that the only time BOB appeared outside of Coop's visions was
> >in the Palmer household. Can anyone think of any other bits of evidence?"

Very first episode.  First minute or two.  Sarah is looking for Laura.
She calls up someone, asking, and gets the response "Maybe she went
out with Leland."  There you go, WKLP in the first minute of the first
episode of the show.

In the 4/18 episode, Pete and Audrey leave to go fishing at the
Pearl Lakes.  Somehow it seems to me that they will be the first
to meet _whatever_ is happening in the woods.
(Assuming that Lynch doesn't just drop them for the finale...)

Bob

Since I posted my comments that we never had a chance to figure
out WKLP, I've seen a couple of responses from people more observant
than I, pointing out various clues that it  was Leland.  And yet, I
still feel my original point holds. In retrospect, of course, there were
some clues. Yet there were just as many clues pointing, say, to Harry S.
Truman as to Pa Palmer. In the very best mystery stories, when you find
out who the killer is, you think, "Of course! I should have known it all
along." Maybe it's just me, but I really didn't have that reaction.
Someone has pointed out that, when people voted on who they
thought killed Laura, Leland was the clear winner. It seems to me this
is more because that would fit in more with the atmosphere of the show
than because there were clear clues to his existance.
This really isn't meant as a criticism of the show; I thought it
was, on the whole, unutterably brilliant. (Although it really fizzled
out, lately.) What I am saying is that its brilliance was not as a
mystery. 
Of course, this could just be sour grapes, since I had a few
cases of doughnuts riding on the Sheriff.



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Read that today - quite a good job in explaining just who this oddball 
(in the nicest sense of the word) is. I do have to say that I am 
beginning to reconsider my disbelief that the "blue goo" in Ronnette 
Pulaski's IV had nothing to do with BOB. Why? There are references all 
over the place to the color blue being evil. Cooper dreamed (saw?) a blue 
man. A blue car was owned by a serial murder. The medicine that the OAM 
and Earle took is blue. And now Ronnette's blue goo... 
BOB has been following Cooper for quite some time, evidently, and did 
have something to do with the death of Caroline - Cooper sensed him, well 
maybe not BOB, but something related to BOB. Also shows up when he's 
trailing that one guy, and at one other time.... don't remember what it 
was. 
One thing I tried to do was cross-reference the dates in this book to 
those in the diary - easily done after setting the years in the diary 
back by one. But it didn't seem that any of them crossed... thought maybe 
a connection might be made. Oh well. 
A few things I didn't really understand, and hope will come up in the 
two-hour season finale (and any movie that comes afterward to wrap 
everything up) were the man with no legs, the ring, Marie, exactly what 
happened to Earle when he disappeared... and a few other things.

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In article <FwuT15w164w@lablues.UUCP>, lazer@lablues.UUCP (Patrick Delahanty) writes:
> > I really don't care for Twin Peaks...maybe because it's so low in the
> > Nealsons.  I'm a Quantum Leap fan myself!  :)
> >  
> > -Lazer

  Of course, when Quantum Leap was on Fridays and had ratings only
  slightly better than TP you avoided QL like the plague, right?

  Peter.
  wilson@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu

In article <1991Apr22.162832.780@athena.mit.edu> lcharris@athena.mit.edu (Lynn C Harris) writes:
> >hey-- this is my first time here... i was just wondering, did anyone
> >notice that Windom Earle can be rearranged to spell REMIND OWL (with
> >an 'a' missing). Any other ideas?

How about..... OWL DREAMIN'  ?????

I have it on good faith that Lynch/Frost are
planning the second series of TWIN PEAKS.
In America, where it is finished now, a lot of people
were disgusted with the way it ended. This has prompted the 
makers to begin a second series.

In article <3463@beguine.UUCP>, George.Harris@bbs.acs.unc.edu (George Harris) writes:
|> 
|> [on coffee vs syrup]
|> Its viscosity is explained away ny the fact that it was being shown in
|> slow-motion close-up, so ti only *seemde* viscous.

I'll have to agree; the object that it's flowing from is a coffee cup.

|> I *still* think that metal block is plutonium.  (:-])

Nah, it's palladuim.  Eckhart was involved in cold fusion experiments.
Where do you think he got all that money?

|> George.Harris@samba.acs.unc.eduGe|ge

David E. Hollingsworth
starpath@athena.mit.edu

In article <FwuT15w164w@lablues.UUCP> lazer@lablues.UUCP (Patrick Delahanty) writes:
> >I really don't care for Twin Peaks...maybe because it's so low in the
> >Nealsons.  I'm a Quantum Leap fan myself!  :)
> > 
> >-Lazer

Maybe if you were sharp enough to spell "Nielsens" you'd have the
mental capacity to understand a complex show such as TP. As I see 
it now, your mental abilities allow you to criticize things that 
you don't understand...

BTW, are you a government employee??? (No offense intended to G-men)

Hello you crazy guys and gals :-),
Here is the quote list finally.  I just got my take home exams
so I had a few other priorities. :-(   The last one is the worst one of
all, in my opinion.  :-(   
As always, if you have suggestions, criticisms, etc. please do 
not hesitate to let me know.  The e-mail address below is the correct
one.  Not the one given by the stupid news reader.  Enjoy.  :-)

charles d. kincaid
statman@stat.ufl.edu    <-------#####   Correct address
statman@sole.stat.ufl.edu    <--------######   NeXTmail if you dare 

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# Mayor:  There's something wrong.  This isn't right.  There's something
wrong here.

--AGENT OF OZ-- 
[Cooper lies in bed in his room.  Catherine is stroking his 
head.  Andy, the Log Lady and the Man From Another Place are 
sitting around the bed.]
Cooper:Auntie Em!
Cath.:Auntie Em?  
Cooper:I must have been dreaming.  It was horrible.  We
were all on Saturday's.  Andy  you were there.  The 
Log Lady was there.  The Man From Another Place was 
there.
Cath.:Saturday's!  That is a bad dream.  
All:Ooooh.  
Announcer:Twin Peaks is back on Thursday nights.  
Coop:Diane, Thursday nights.  There's no place like home.  
  
Hawk:The man has a poor sense of recreation.  

# Lucy:Tomorrow is D-Day, Dad Day.
  
Albert:Coop, about the uniform.  
Cooper:Yes, Albert?  
Albert:Usually, replacing the quiet elegance of the dark 
suit and tie for the casual indifference of these 
muted earthtones is a form of fashion suicide.  But, 
call me crazy, on you it works.

Annie:  I lived in my head mostly.
Cooper: That's not a bad neighborhood.
Annie:  There were some pretty strange neighbors.

Judy Swain:An orphan, you know.  
Andy:Really?  What happened?  Did his parents die?  

WE:Cooper doesn't know the meaning of STALEMATE!  

# Mayor:Oh, my God, this guy is British or Bohemian or something.  He's
bound to fall for your charms.

Nadine:I think I've gone _blind_ in my left eye!  
  
Cooper:Sure fire cure for a hangover, Harry.  You take 
a glass of nearly frozen unstrained tomato juice.  
You plop a couple of oysters in there.  You drink it 
down.  Breathe deeply.  Next you take a mound, and I 
mean a mound of sweetbreads.  Sautee it in some 
chestnuts and Canadian Bacon.  Finally, biscuits, 
big biscuits, smothered in gravy.  Now here's where 
it gets tricky.  You're gonna need some anchovies.  
Harry:Excuse me. [and rushes to the bathroom]  
Cooper:That should do it.  
  
Gordon:HARRY, THE BEST CURE I EVER CAME ACROSS FOR A 
HANGOVER IS RAW MEAT, AND PLENTY OF IT.  YA BREAK AN 
EGG ON IT.  ADD IN SOME SALTED ANCHOVIES, TOBASCO 
AND WORCESTERSHIRE SAUCE. [Harry, again rushes to 
the bathroom]  IF YOU WANT WE CAN ORDER IT UP  
FOR YA.  [Cooper and Gordon smile at each other]  

Harry:What do you recommend for a hangover?  
Annie:Teetotaling and prayer.  
Cooper:Good answer.  
Harry:I'll try some coffee.  

Ben:Sometimes the urge to do bad is nearly overpowering.

# Cooper: Well, my symptoms suggest the onset of malaria, but I've
never felt better in my life.

Johnny Horne:  Oouaaaahouaaaahouoooh!   (Ed note: Sp? :-)  
  
Irene:Of all the people in the world, the best and the 
worst are drawn to a dead dog.  Most turn away. Only 
the pure of heart can feel its pain.  And somewhere 
in between the rest of us struggle.  
  
Audrey:They have women agents?  
Denise:More or less.  

Gordon:  YOU ARE WITNESSING A FRONT THREE-QUARTER VIEW OF TWO ADULTS
SHARING A TENDER MOMENT. [to Shelly] Acts like he's never seen
a kiss before.
Cooper:  Uh, Gordon.
Gordon:  TAKE ANOTHER LOOK, SONNY.  IT'S GONNA HAPPEN AGAIN.

# Cooper:  He has engaged us in subterfuge and red herring.  A fish I 
don't particular care for.

Denise:I may be wearing a dress, but I still pull my 
panties on one leg at a time, if you know what I 
mean.  
Cooper:Not really.  
  
WE:Tacit agreement is acceptable, Leo.  Your silence 
speaks volumes.  Or if not volumes, at least the 
occasional punctuated paragraph.  

# WE:Leo, it looks like you finally found your calling.
  
Audrey: I've examined his will Jerry.  If my father becomes 
incapacitated, it all goes to me when I'm old 
enough.  And I am old enough and he is 
incapacitated.  Play it my way either way or the 
only project you'll be developing is selling 
baseboard heaters at the local cash-n-carry.  
Jerry:What's happened to the man is a tragedy.  
Audrey:Yea, Jerry, it's a tragedy.  
  

Pete:Now if there's chessboards in Heaven, Jose's sittin' 
next to the Lord.  
  
Gordon:THE WORD LINKAGE REMINDS ME OF SAUSAGE.  NEVER 
CARED MUCH FOR THE LINKS, PREFERRED THE PATTIES. BUT 
BREAKFAST IS A REAL GOOD IDEA.  BONZAI.  REMEMBER 
THOSE OLD WORLD WAR II MOVIES?  BONZAAIIIII!!!!  
WE:AAAH, Damnation.  
Leo:Buuurrrrp.  
  
Dwayne:She killed him with SEX.  

# Andy:Styrofoam never dies for as long as you live.
# Lucy:It doesn't?
  
Dick: Oh she doth teach the torches to burn bright  (Andy 
sighs) It seems she hangs against the cheek of night  
+ Doc:Like a rich jewel in an ethiope's ear.  Beauty too 
rich for youth, for earth too dear.  
  
Cooper:Harry, Windom Earle's mind is like a diamond.  It's 
cold and hard and brilliant.  

WE:Once upon a time there was a place of great goodness called
the White Lodge.  Gentle fawns gamboled there amidst happy,
laughing spirits.  The sounds of innocence and joy filled the
air.  And when it rained, it rained sweet nectar that infused
one's heart with the desire to live life in truth and beauty.
Generally speaking a ghastly place, reeking in virtue's sour
smell, engorged with the whispered prayers of kneeling mothers
and mewling newborns, and fool's young and old compelled to do
good without reason.  heh, heh.
But I am happy to point out that our story does not end in
this wretched place of saccharine excess.  For there's another 
place.  Its opposite.  A place of almost unimaginable power,
chockful of dark forces and vicious secrets.  No prayers dare 
enter this frightful maw.  Spirits there care not for good 
deeds or priestly implications.  They as like to rip the flesh
from you bones as greet you with a happy good day.  And if 
harnessed, these spirits in this hidden land of unmuffled
screams of broken hearts offer up a power so vast that its
bearer might reorder the Earth itself to his liking.  Ah, this
place I speak of is known as the Black Lodge and I intend to
find it.
Rusty T:Hey man, the story's cool, but you promised me beer.
  
Dr Jacoby: What he needs right now is both your 
understanding and a Confederate victory.  

# Mayor:  You put on a dress with a slit, oh, the slit cut halfway to 
Seattle.
  
Dick:But what I'm trying to make clear is that using a 
stuffed animal to represent an endangered species as 
an ecological protest constitutes the supreme 
incongruity.  
  
Hawk:Maybe we'd better just whistle on our way past the 
graveyard.  
  
Doc H.:Is she sexually active?  
Ed:Active?  Doc, I wake up every morning feeling like I 
got hit by a timber truck.    

Mike:Do you have any idea what a combination of sexual maturity
and superhuman strength can result in.
[Whispers to Bobby]
Bobby:  WHOOAA!!

Ben:You'll have to excuse me.  The chef just tried to 
stab Jerry.  
  
Albert:Get a life, punk.  

# Pete:Audrey, there are many cures for a broken heart, but nothing
quite like a trout's leap in the moonlight.
  
Dr Jacoby:Now what she does in fact possess is a 
heightened sexual drive and a working knowledge of 
technique, anatomy and touch that few men have ever 
had the pleasure of experiencing or the skills to 
match.  
Harry:Is it hot in here?  
Cooper &
  Hawk:Yea.  

Lucy:You can't do that!  
Pete (to Coop):My students.  
Lucy:Mr Martell, Andy moved his knight without doing the 
little hook thing.  
Andy:You don't have to do the little hook thing, that's 
optional.  
Pete:Andy, uh, the knight has to do the little hook 
thing.
Andy:Every time?  
Pete:It's a privilege.  No one else gets to make that 
move.  
Andy:Ok, Mr Martell.  
Lucy:I guess some people don't know quite as much as they 
think they do.  Check!  
 
 
Pete:We forgot the weinies, all beef with the skin on 
`em.  
 
# Audrey:  I'm a virgin.
# Jack:   A what?
# Audrey:  I want you to make love with me.
# Jack:   What?  Here and now?
# Audrey:  It's your jet.
# Jack:   Thank God for that. 
 
Ben:I give you the little pine weasel found only in our 
tri-county area.  It is nearly extinct.  
Jerry:They're incredible roasted.  
  
Andy:Once stimulated the female will respond in such a 
way that the skin around her ...  Oh My God!  
  
Cooper:Great players are either far or few.  
  
Malcom:Mrs. Marsh hired him to fix the Jaguar.  
Trooper:Jaguar ... J-a-g-w ... uh, the car.  

Cooper:I've got four hungry lawmen out in the cruiser.  We need donuts.
  
Shelly (from WE's note): 
See the mountains kiss high heaven  
and the waves clasp one another.  
No sister flower would be forgiven  
if it disdained its brother.  
And the sunlight clasped the earth  
and the moonbeams kissed the sea.  
What is our sweet work worth  
if thou kiss not me?  
  
BOB:COOP, what happened to JOSIE?!  

# WE:What's the capitol of North Carolina?
# Major:Raleigh.
# WE:Fat lot of good that'll do me.

Gordon:HOLY SMOKES!  WHO IS THAT?  
Cooper:Shelly Johnson.  
[Gordon motions he didn't here]  
Cooper:SHELLY JOHNSON.  
Gordon:WHAT A BEAUTY!  KINDA REMINDS ME OF THAT STATUE, THE 
BABE WITHOUT THE ARMS.  
Cooper:Venus de Milo.  
Gordon:THE NAME WAS MILO, BUT THAT'S BESIDE THE POINT.  
THAT'S THE KIND OF GIRL THAT MAKES YOU WISH YOU 
SPOKE A LITTLE FRENCH.  'SCUSE ME COOP WHILE I TRY 
MY HAND AT A LITTLE COUNTER-ESPARANTO.  
Gordon:Good luck, Gordon.  
Gordon:HELLO.  I WAS WONDERING IF I MIGHT TROUBLE YOU FOR A 
CUP OF STRONG BLACK COFFEE AND IN THE PROCESS ENGAGE 
YOU WITH AN ANECDOTE OF NO SMALL AMUSEMENT.  THE 
NAME IS GORDON COLE AND I COULDN'T HELP BUT NOTICE 
YOU FROM THE BOOTH.  AND .. WELL, SEEING YOUR BEAUTY 
NOW I FEEL AS THOUGH MY STOMACH IS FILLED WITH A 
TEAM OF BUMBLEBEES.  
Shelly:You don't have to shout.  I can hear you.  
Gordon:I HEARD THAT.  I, I HEARD THAT.  
Shelly:Um, do you want anything besides coffee?  
Gordon:I HEARD YOU PERFECTLY!  
Shelly:And I can hear you, honest.  
Gordon:YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND.  You don't understand Miss 
Johnson.  Do you see this?  For 20 years I've been asking 
people to please speak up, but for some weird  
reason I can hear you clear as a bell.  Say 
something else.  
Shelly:Um, um, do you want pie with your coffee?  
Gordon:Good Lord, I can hear you perfectly.  This is like 
some sort of miracle.  A...a phenomenon.  
LL:What's wrong with miracles?  
Gordon:WHAT'S THAT?  
LL:This cherry pie is a miracle.  
Gordon:WOULD YOU PLEASE ASK THE LADY WITH THE LOG TO SPEAK 
UP.  
Shelly:Um, the pie, she was talking about the cherry pie.  
Gordon:I heard you again.  I heard you again.  
Shelly:Would you like some pie?  
Gordon:MASSIVE, MASSIVE QUANTITIES AND A GLASS OF WATER,   
SWEETHEART.  MY SOCKS ARE ON FIRE.  


Shelly:Do you want some more pie?  A whole pie?  
Gordon:YES I WOULD MISS JOHNSON.  AND A PIECE OF PAPER AND 
A PENCIL.  I PLAN ON WRITING AN EPIC POEM ABOUT THIS 
GORGEOUS PIE.  

Cooper:Two penguins were walking across an iceberg.  
One penguin turned to the second penguin and said, 
"You look like you're wearing a tuxedo."   
Shelly:Annie.  
Gordon:I HEARD THAT!  
Annie:Wait a minute.  I'll be right back.  [She leaves]  
Cooper:I wasn't quite finished.  
Harry:How long you been in love with her?  
Cooper:Harry, who said anything about love?  
Harry:Cooper, you just tried to tell her a joke.  
Cooper:I did?[Annie returns]
Annie:So what did the second penguin say?  
Cooper:Well, the first penguin said to the second penguin, 
"You look like you're wearing a tuxedo."  And the 
second penguin said, "Maybe I am."  
[Annie and Cooper both laugh]  
Harry:Defense rests. 

Rusty:Whoa man, I do not appreciate practical jokes.

# Lucy:  [news flash noise]  This is a Twin Peaks special announcement.
The spine-tingling, two hour season finale of Twin Peaks can
be seen ..... TA DA .... Monday June 10th.  We now return you
to our regular scheduled program.

just to point out the obvious, last weeks TV Guide mentioned that Nadine
makes an important announcement.  i suspect that the episode that aired
was re-edited by Lynch late in the game, because the series is DEAD.
So what could be Nadines announcement, that she'll divorce ED and marry
Mike?  Big deal.  I was slightly surprised that we did not see one trace
of NORMA or ED in the 4/18 episode.

Love that BOB, Love that PIE !!

-- *********************************************************************** * Danny Lieberman cmcl2!panix!dfl * * PO Box 3131 "Here's Leland!" * * NYC 10008-3131 USA THIS SPACE FOR SALE *

In article <63C6988020207F52@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU> UN040377@WVNVAXA.WVNET.EDU writes:
> >Foreknowledge or not, how do you specify a certain date by pressing 2 
> >buttons?  Say the first press is for the month, and the second press is
> >for the day, you'd need a lot more buttons to be able to enter *any* date.

Each button had two symbols; an astrological sign (ignoring the paw print
for the moment) and a phase of the moon.  Since the moon cycles every 29
days, which is roughly the span of a zodiac sign, it's sort of workable;
you push the sign you were born under, followed by the phase of the moon
at the time of your birth.  It's only accurate to within a few days, and it
only works for certain zodiac signs, but remember that its only purpose is
to serve as a combination lock.  One could easily construct a lock with only
the numbers 1 through 7 on it; it's only a convention that locks have dials
with 10 (or 100) positions on them.

-- Bernie Roehl, University of Waterloo Electrical Engineering Dept Mail: broehl@sunee.waterloo.edu OR broehl@sunee.UWaterloo.ca BangPath: {allegra,decvax,utzoo,clyde}!watmath!sunee!broehl Voice: (519) 885-1211 x 2607 [work]

In article <8c5=9Bm00Uh7Q0cQRM@andrew.cmu.edu>, mt1z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Bruce Tomblyn) writes:
> > Laura Palmer as Miss TP?
> > 
> > So, Horse said that we wouldn't believe who will win Miss twin Peaks, huh?
> > 
> > How about Denise coming back and taking the crown?
> > 
> > Mike

How about WE in disguise?

--Cool Bean
-- **This is not cultural.

I've updated in the TP FTP archive the complete episode synopsis format-
ted for MS Word. New are the 03/28 and 04/04 episodes.

 The FTP archive: audrey.sait.edu.au [130.220.16.88]

 directory:       /pub/twin-peaks

 file:            TP-timeline.sit.Hqx (95 KB)

This file is a complete rendition of the Edwin Nomura synopsis of all TP
episodes from the pilot through 04/04/91, formatted for Microsoft Word
v4.0 for the Mac. Included are Jerry Boyajian's jocular and alliterative
titles for each episode (plus a couple of my own). It comes to 34 pages
with title page and table of contents.

Move this file to a Macintosh (replacing newlines with CR's if necessary)
and process it with BinHex 4.0 to produce "TP timeline.sit"; process this
file with Stuffit v1.5.1 to produce "TP timeline".

For those without FTP access, send me email and we'll arrange for a paper
copy via SASE. Enclose a floppy if you want the MS Word file itself.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--Keith Dawson
dawson@epps.kodak.com

Good spot of the right hand.  Which arm was the one-armed man missing?
(If thy right arm offend thee, cut if off!?)

In article <8648@idunno.Princeton.EDU> jacobw@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jacob S Weinstein) writes:
> >
> >Since I posted my comments that we never had a chance to figure
> >out WKLP, I've seen a couple of responses from people more observant
> >than I, pointing out various clues that it  was Leland.  And yet, I
> >still feel my original point holds. In retrospect, of course, there were
> >some clues. Yet there were just as many clues pointing, say, to Harry S.
> >Truman as to Pa Palmer. In the very best mystery stories, when you find
> >out who the killer is, you think, "Of course! I should have known it all
> >along." Maybe it's just me, but I really didn't have that reaction.

   I guess it depends on what kind of game you think your're playing and
what you think the rules are or should be.

I love murder mysteries and only the kind that "play fair" as I understand
it.  I'm not in it for the gore or the drama or the ambience. I enjoy it as
an intellectual excercise so I demand that all clues be laid out and that I
am given enough clues to be able to figure out the problem.  
 
I also enjoy character studies and art movies that are a puzzle of a different
sort, not a challenge to logic and intellect but a challenge to my ability
to understand characters emotionally, intuit and read the action symbolically.
This is the kind of challenge that I find in Twin Peaks. And since it is
a rarer and more difficult challenge than a logical puzzle, I respect it. 
Logical challenges are there too, and an opportunity to enjoy ambience and
drama and the pleasure of using my knowledge of occult trivia.
But the primary thing is spiritual/psychological rather than logical.
 
ann h.

In article <a91andre.672458302@techno> a91andre@techno.nepean.uws.EDU.AU (Andrew Blanda) writes:
> >I have it on good faith that Lynch/Frost are
> >planning the second series of TWIN PEAKS.
> >In America, where it is finished now, a lot of people
> >were disgusted with the way it ended. This has prompted the 
> >makers to begin a second series.

I'd say you ought to have a little less faith in this source of yours,
who ought also to cut down on the drugs.  If by "first series" you
meant "first season", well, then the second season is well underway.
If by "first series" you mean "Twin PEaks to date", well, then it's
still going on, and we have no way to know whether we're disgusted
with the ending or not.  Ask us again in six weeks.

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Peter--push the plug" --Josie Packard

In article <1991Apr23.153633.1@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au>
ede682nbp1@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au, broadcasting live from the backwoods
of Western Australia, write:

> >Just because you livein the  backwoods of Western Australia there is no reason
> >for you to talk bullshit.

Just because you livein the  backwoods of Western Australia there is no reason
for you to talk bullshit.  Or am I missing your point?


-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Peter--push the plug" --Josie Packard

In article <1991Apr23.090122.1@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au> ede682nbp1@vx24.cc.monash.edu.au writes:
> >In article <CMM.0.90.2.672338415.tvanhorn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, tvanhorn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Thom
> >Why did the actor who plays Sherif Truman go berko and leave Australia when
> >he saw a send up of the scene where Lauras body was found? It is not as if Twin
> >Peaks is some sort of high art.


What are you talking about?  And what does Thomas Van Horn have to do
with it?


-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Peter--push the plug" --Josie Packard

In article <cc5_maK00Uh7I0cN9V@andrew.cmu.edu> mt1z+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Bruce Tomblyn) writes:
> >Jacob S. Weinstein writes that "nobody had a snowball's chance in hell
> >of figuring out WKLP. Really. The only clue I can think of that we were
> >given is that the only time BOB appeared outside of Coop's visions was
> >in the Palmer household. Can anyone think of any other bits of evidence?"

There was also some evidence placing Laura's killer and Leland in the 
same place at the same time.  When the Renault brother was killed in the
hospital by Leland, Ronette Polaski was visited by Laura's killer that same 
night.  
-- A. Buschhaus | Audrey, there are many cures for a broken heart, (414)229-6229 | but nothing quite like a trout's leap in the moonlight. | Pete Martel - Twin Peaks

Does anyone have the snailmail address for Lynch/Frost Productions?
response by mail preferred.

thanks,

brad
--
brad wherry                |  Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; 
wherry@alazif.cxo.dec.com  |     e luce ad tenebras.

In article <01G4XW0YECQI8WW2HF@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU>,
UN040377@WVNVAXA.WVNET.EDU writes:
> > 
> > I'd love to see Twin Peaks for another year, but really, what more can
they
> > do?   ...

Of course a few writers said exactly that at the end of
the first season.  I think there's plenty of room for more.


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