Season 2, Episode 20: The Path to the Black Lodge — April 18–June 09, 1991

In article <1991Apr19.141439.1@si194b.llnl.gov> brinkman@si194b.llnl.gov writes:
> >
> > Buddism:  The final ideal is to reach a state 
> >of internal and external balance and to embrace opposites as necessary 
> >components of the whole.  
> >
In astrology, Jupiter very generally refers to good and Saturn to evil.
A conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn could symbolize good and evil merging.
 
a.h.

In article <1991Apr19.021241.6002@ms.uky.edu> bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt) writes:
> >appear in the vision.But it looks like our favorite psychopathic
> >spirit has somehow managed to achieve corporial form...maybe he's
> >finally accumulated enough soul energy?

Could be.  Did you notice how he appeared to be forcing his way into
existence?  His arm appeared first, then the rest of him.  Like he was
pushing himself through a portal between worlds...

And what about those red curtains reflected in the puddle?

> > And what's with the shakes???

I think that as various people get closer to the secret, the power of the
Lodges is increasing in anticipation of direct contact.  Maybe the people
whose hands are shaking are going to be drawn to one lodge or another to
take part in the confrontation.  Or maybe they've even been there once
before and we just haven't seen the scars yet.  Major Briggs seemed to be
feeling his scar just before Windom appeared.  And among real-life UFO
abductees, there's often a feeling of being "programmed" to take part in
some future event.  Maybe the "shakes" are a symptom that the program is
being triggered.

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In article <63C6988020207F52@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU> UN040377@WVNVAXA.WVNET.EDU writes:
> >
> >Robert Steven Glickstein (bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu) writes:
> >
> >
> >Another thing:  What was it Major Briggs said - "When Jupiter and Saturn meet,
> >they will accept you"?  How do two planets "meet"?  If this means lining up,
> >then lining up with *what*?  And whatever "meet"ing means, wouldn't it happen
> >often enough that there would have to be some reason for this particular
> >"meeting" to be the correct one?
> >

In astrology there is a thing called a "conjunction" which means that planets
appear to meet from the standpoint of an earth observer. Astrology is geo -
centric.
Conjunctions are believed to have significance re. earthly events.
 
a.h.

In article <jms.4171@vanth.UUCP> jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
> >  Or maybe they've even been there once
> >before and we just haven't seen the scars yet.  Major Briggs seemed to be
> >feeling his scar just before Windom appeared.And among real-life UFO
> >abductees, there's often a feeling of being "programmed" to take part in
> >some future event.  Maybe the "shakes" are a symptom that the program is
> >being triggered.

Sorry about this, but I just remembered something.  Maybe I'm paranoid, but
didn't Pete seem awfully startled when he was awoken by Wheeler's jet
taking off?  I immediately thought that maybe he's been picked up by a UFO
or something, in the past, and remembers waking up afterwards and seeing it
take off.

(Indidentally, I don't mean to keep insisting that it's UFOs in the sense
of "flying saucers" or aliens in the sense of extraterrestrials.  Maybe
spirits from the Lodges travel as globes of light.  Maybe producing a
portal between worlds generates a white light.Who knows?)

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sjohnson@texas.vlsi.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:

> > In <4c3nVDC00VsnQ3RfgJ@andrew.cmu.edu> bobg+@andrew.cmu.edu (Robert Steven Gl
> > 
>> > >Among Shelley, Donna, and Audrey, Audrey was presumably the only
>> > >virgin before 2020.  Annie may or may not be.  Is this significant?
> > 
> > Ah!  Good point.  Maybe WE is one of those men who demands
> > virginal qualities for his queen!  We're not positive Donna isn't
> > one, are we?  Who'd have guessed Audrey was before Thursday?

In the Diary of LP, she mentions that "Donna and Mike have planned to go 
all the way" or something like that, so it's probably pretty safe to say 
that she is not. As for Audrey, there was an interview with Madchen 
AMick, Lara Flynn Boyle, and Sherilyn Fenn, and it was mentioned that 
Audrey was a virgin...

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jsnell@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Jason Snell) writes:
> > an area that sure looks like a lake to me. As I've said before, we've heard
> > about Pearl Lakes way too many times for it to be coincidence. That's where
> > Catherine supposedly went after the fire, where Audrey and Pete are going
> > night fishing, and I believe where the major and Cooper went fishing when
> > the Major disappeared.

Not to mention that LeBOBland claimed to have met the long-haired man 
during summers at Pearl Lakes...

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This was one incredible episode. We're starting to put some pieces 
together - for instance, we now know why the scenes with BOB rushing 
through the woods to meet the owl and Cooper running after the Major 
looked so similar - because they were at the same location, otherwise 
known as the entrance to the Black Lodge. As I've said before, I think 
that the Black Lodge is the spiritual world counterpart to the Woods. 
Evidence: Leland (BOB) liked the woods in the Diary. BOB always molested 
Laura in the woods. Owls are quite common in the woods. The military is 
monitoring the woods. Truman's reference to an evil in the woods... 

BTW, I saw the movie "The Hidden" last night. For those of you who 
haven't seen it, Kyle MacLachlan plays sort of a prototype to Cooper - he 
plays an odd, quiet, and reserved FBI agent on the trail of a serial 
killer who takes different hosts. (BTW, the first host is played by Chris 
Mulkey, Hank Jennings in TP-land) Good movie...

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I don't think I can wait until June for another episode!

I think that BOB is at the cave opening when he is reaching out/in...my
question: does anyone think that the cave is the entrance to the Black
and/or White lodge(s) and with BOB's hand reaching in/out...do you think
that he is already *in* the Black Lodge (and he comes out periodically to 
cause trouble) or do you think that BOB is waiting for the planets to be
lined up so he can enter the Black lodge (and be even more evil than he
is now?)?

In article <1991Apr19.032041.8250@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> keb3@po.CWRU.Edu (Keith E. Bitely) writes:
> >
> >I would hope that if another network picks it up, that at least it is a
> >network like FOX or PBS, for I don't have cable, and it would kill me
> >to know that Twin Peaks was being shown and I couldn't see it!

You think you've got problems?  I *have* cable, and don't get a single FOX
channel!  I asked the local cable company about it a long time ago, and
they said that they tried but couldn't get a clear signal.  Hell, I'd take
any signal at all, especially if it was Peaks!Maybe if I got all 30000 of
our hypothetical readers to write to them...

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In article <1991Apr19.184438.24569@swbatl.sbc.com> jjj@sw1a6.UUCP (Joyan Jackson) writes:
> >In the closing scene just before Bob came through the door
> >there was something shown on the left side of the screen above
> >the black hole (entrance to the Black Lodge?), what was it?

Hello,
This will probably be a disappointment, but the 'something'
was the light that shined on BOB's arm.  It came from somewhere off
stage, but it had to end somewhere, right?  That was it on the trees
and bushes.

charles d. kincaid
statman@stat.ufl.edu    <-------#######      correct address

In article <1991Apr20.180052.25162@engin.umich.edu>
lik@caen.engin.umich.edu (Leonard Ira Kamlet) writes:

> > Nobody's mentioned it, but which arm in the OAM missing?

The left.

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In article <112@soda> blojo@soda.berkeley.edu writes:
>> >> I thought the Doc was examining Ben for some insurence thing. I dont remeber
>> >> hearing anything about a heart attack.
> >
> >I think it was pretty much telegraphed when Doc says to him (paraphrased
> >here):  "You're fine, Ben, but it's what's *in* your heart you should be
> >worried about."

Also, when Ben says something to the effect of "The weight of the papers
the insurance company is making me fill out is enought to give me a 
heart attack."

charles d. kincaid
statman@stat.ufl.edu     <--------########     correct address

I loved the last episode: it's such a relief, after all the dreck we've
been through lately, to see that someone else besides Lynch can evoke
the same feelings that the early Twin Peaks episodes brought.  Now I
hope it gets renewed, and Lynch and Frost work more closely on the
series, and ensure that people like this week's director do more
episodes.

Things I liked: the way the sheriff's deputies carried the giant pawn
off in the beginning, Andy crying just behind the roadie so that their
voices merged; the beautiful and terrifying diner scene with Coop and
Heather Graham, with its clever use of sound; the sardonic Windom Earle
humor directed at Leo, especially the scene where Leo gets the shocker
and Windom's comment later that "You've finally found your calling" (as
a horse's ass); the Major's greatest fear; the dripping maple syrup; the
scene with Catherine and Andrew, which showed their greed and
destructiveness so well.

I think it's clear that the death of the Heather Graham character is
being foreshadowed in the diner scene -- hence the dripping maple syrup,
standing for blood.  This is one of the sources of dread in the show. 
It is not that Heather plays an evil character -- rather, she may die as
Catherine Earle did.

There is still not the same quality of fear in the series, because we've
seen all the villains.  Windom Earle is right in our face, and we've
seen Bob before.  Part of the fear in the first year or so came from not
knowing who the villain was.  Mystery is always powerful.

The other source of dread is that Twin Peaks is probably not going to
get renewed, which gives David Lynch a free hand in the last show.  He
can kill Cooper or any of the women; he can do anything at all.  In the
early part of the series, Lynch was an unknown quantity, which made the
show more mysterious and terrifying; in the middle part, a lot of that
went out the window because they had a regular series to maintain.  Now,
it's back.

I think Andrew smashed the inner box merely to show his greed, nothing
else.  He had solved Thomas's puzzle, and was so filled with lust to
know what was inside that he could wait no longer.  Catherine and Andrew
squabbling over the box made me think that they are much more dangerous
than they've seemed lately.

-- J

> >WE is a big mystery for me.  I tend to subscribe to Coop's theory of universal
> >connectivity when trying to explain the motivation behing WE.  Whatever WE is
> >doing is part of a large master plan that he has been developing for a long
> >time possibly since the days of Project Blue Book.  I think he may have been
> >abducted and faced the Black Lodge sometime in the past and has become the
> >evil hand of the Black Lodge in the physical world. 

Talking about hands: Does'nt this tie in nicely with the background of
cooper.  There were several instances of severed hands in Cooper's past.
Also these severed hands came about the time that Windom did dissapear.
" I'm sinking I'm sinking"........

> >I am not so sure that WE and Garland know each other.  At least not as 
> >acquaintances in the physical world.  I think they may have confronted each
> >other before as representatives of the Black Lodge/White Lodge.

They worked together on Project Blue Book.



> >I thought that something was hidden behind the cave drawing, but I no longer 
> >believe that.  I think it is merely a map of some sort requiring
> >interpretation.  I am not sure how the drawing serves as a calender.  I am
> >not sure why I beleive this but a I interpret the map as to outline Pearl Lake
> >as the Black Lodge.  Pearl Lake was prominently mentioned several times in
> >last night's episode (4/18).  WE's computer looked like it outlined a lake. 
> >Another clue was the image of the red curtain in the puddle near where BOB
> >made his appearence last night.

> >If Pearl Lake is indeed a critical location it makes for an interesting one.
> >Wasn't Laura found washed up on the banks of Pearl Lake?  This would be located
> >close to the home of Catherine and Andrew.  It tends to bring the show full 
> >circle from the death of Laura Palmer to the death of the evil that caused her
> >death.

Also didn't Laura have a dream about being pulled into a lake by BOB?
I remember something like this, but I loaned my copy of the Diary out to a 
friend.  Maybe sombody could look this up? If you could it would be greatly
appreciated.  Another point about Pearl Lake. This is where Lealand Palmer
first met BOB as a little boy.

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Hello,
Even though it seemed like Twin Peaks meets Love Boat, it was a
very good show.  Especially the last 5-10 minutes.  Someone said there
were a lot of good quotes.  If I put all of the ones I copied in the
list there will only be about 10.  None are 'amazing' and some are only
partially good.  Suggestions?

Comments:
When Harry, Cooper and Andy come into the sherrif's office Lucy
said that Hawk was giving a sad man she had never seen before breakfast.
Filler or important?

On Donna's Birth Certificate the county and state are marked
out.  (The events you are seeing are not real. :-)  

When Pete was in the hotel and before Audrey hijacks him he is
saying "Josie, I see your face".  (Someone already mentioned this)  Now
it could be him saying a poem again this time to the picture, but when
he leaves he waves goodbye to the picture!!  

If you look close the metal thing that Catherine and Andrew
found was NOT there when he broke the last box.  Is this a Schrodinger's
cat deal or just a way to make the breaking easier?

What was the scene right after the Catherine and Andrew one?  It
seemed to be a house on a lake.  Pearl Lake?  Do we know this house and
I'm just slow?

A while back there was much discussion about the sexism in the
show.  In this episode there were two references to males and females
working as equals.  The first was when Audrey (that goat :-) said, "I
want you to make love _with_ me"  not _to_ me.  and the second was when
Annie (friend or foe?) said "We'll follow each other."  

Two things that might be foreshadowing Annie being a pawn/member
of the BL (God forbid!) besides the ones already mentioned are her
looking away when she was talking to Cooper (while they were dancing)
and her saying (as Coop said) "hear the other side, see the other side".
During the former it seemed like she was truthful, but maybe she
couldn't look in his eyes for the whole speech.  The latter could be a
reference to the other side of where Coop (or she) is. I.e. the dark
side.  

I cannot wait for two months.

charles d. kincaid
statman@stat.ufl.edu       <--------######   correct address.

Did anyone happen to catch the morse code message at during the "NEXT EPISODE"
tease at the end of the Apr 18 episode of TP?  Between the music, and Lucys voice
it was a bit difficult to hear.  It may be neccessary to use a notch filter
to hear all of the code.  I was able to copy the first 4 letters though,
which turn out to be  E,N,D,N.  Is there a message here, or is it just 
coincidence that the first 3 letters spell out END.

Mike Maxfield
tweek@wet.uucp
((((Under Construction))))

It has been pointed out that Annie may be the sole virgin
amonst the possible Miss TP contestants. If we go along
with idea that this is true & that she is a symbol of
good--which I think is the case--then she is somewhat
similar to the figure of Galahad in the Arthurian legends.
It was Galahad who found the Grail. He was the only knight
pure enough to do so, & he was the only virgin of the knights.
Now, although he is extremely important in the Grail legend
he has no other real role in Athurian legend. Yes he was
Lancelot's son. Yet if I remember my Mallory, Galahad showed
up searched for the Grail & then died. Annie has not been
a important character, she just recently showed up, just
in time for the whole WL/BL thing--like Galahad who showed
up just in time for the Grail quest. If my, & others, beliefs
are correct she is pure too. Now, she will be instrumental in
finding the gateway to the two loudges. She then will die,
immediately after it is over--just like Galahad. She'll be
the savior figure whose only role is to scarifice his/herself
for the common good.


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In article <1991Apr20.204848.2619@eng.ufl.edu> statman@moray.ufl.edu (Chuck Kincaid) writes:
> >In article <1991Apr19.184438.24569@swbatl.sbc.com> jjj@sw1a6.UUCP (Joyan Jackson) writes:
>> >>In the closing scene just before Bob came through the door
>> >>there was something shown on the left side of the screen above
>> >>the black hole (entrance to the Black Lodge?), what was it?

> >This will probably be a disappointment, but the 'something'
> >was the light that shined on BOB's arm.  It came from somewhere off
> >stage, but it had to end somewhere, right?  That was it on the trees
> >and bushes.

I agree, of course, and have already posted to the same effect. . .
but it *is* interesting to note that Bob's arm doesn't cast a shadow
when he sticks it into the beam.  This makes a weird kind of sense if
we assume the beam is more of a spiritual than a physical phenomenon.
The actual physical explanation probably has to do with a continuity
screwup on the matte shot (I'm assuming the trees and BOB were not
shot at the same time).

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Poetry ends like a rope" --Jack Spicer

Two questions about details of the Little Pine Weasel Fashion Show
that I haven't seen discussed here.

(1) At the start of that segment, Ben Horne is throwing small objects
out into the crowd.  I couldn't make out what they were.  Did anyone
else figure out what they were?

(2) When Ben and Catherine start talking, she refers to him as ``John
Muir (name probably distorted), friend of the wilderness'' or some
such (sorry, my tape's out on loan, so I can't give an exact quote).
Who was Catherine referring to?

As for the comment, I haven't seen anyone discuss this here, which
surprises me, since it's fairly obvious.  The old Ben Horne always had
a cigar in hand or mouth, or was in the process of moving cigar from
pocket to mouth.  The new, reformed Ben Horne does the same, but with
a carrot, which I find hysterically funny.  Does anyone remembers an
old suggestion on this list that smoking, as an instance of fire, was
an indication of evil or deviousness on a character's part?  If there
was any truth to that, Ben ditching his cigar for a carrot would be
another indication that his new persona is genuine and not a fake.
(But what did Ben see or hear behind him the last we saw of him?)

-30-
Bob

In article <1991Apr19.141439.1@si194b.llnl.gov> brinkman@si194b.llnl.gov writes:
  [some acknowledgements of some other fine postings]


> >      In Buddhism (as I understand it) the major question is not good vs. 
> >   evil, but harmony vs. dissonance.  The final ideal is to reach a state 
> >   of internal and external balance and to embrace opposites as necessary 
> >   components of the whole.  Within this framework one would tend to treat 
> >   "evil" as an absence of inner balance and "good" as a presence of the same.
> >   In other words, in may prove useful when treating the TP mythos to 
> >   redefine the concepts of good and evil to be synonyms of harmony and
> >   dissonance.

Yes, this interpretation appeals to me too.  Back when Hawk first
mentioned the White Lodge and said something to the effect that the
legend said that in order to reach the White Lodge one had to first go
through the Black Lodge immediately brought to my mind the Jungian
concept of the Shadow.  According to Jung, in our psychological makeup
we all carry around with us a set of traits that we try very hard to
suppress, because we think of them as so terribly evil that we cannot
face the idea that we might have them inside us.  For different people
these are different characteristics.  For instance, someone who puts a
very high value on fidelity may be suppressing a libertine inside.
This can lead to a great distortion of values, and a need to identify
the traits one denies in oneself with someone else.  It also ties up a
tremendous amount of energy that could be used creatively.

Ultimately, in order to grow, it is necessary to confront this shadow
inside, become conscious of it, and accept the fact that it can not be
destroyed through suppression.  There's a lot more I could say about
this, but basically it seems to me that, if to enter the White Lodge
is to achieve one's full creative power, to sit with the gods, as it
were, then that can only come about by first confronting the Shadow
inside.  The Black Lodge can not go away, because it is the gate to
the White Lodge, and it seems to me to work better to think of the
concepts of balance and wholeness vs unbalance and self-deceit, than
to think in terms of pure Good and Evil.

This would also lend credence to the idea of the Black and White
Lodges being in the same geographical location.

> >      Let's start by looking at some of the symbols and people in TP that
> >   have been commonly assigned as either good or evil see if this idea holds 
> >   water...

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> >   GOOD SYMBOL:

> >   Trees:  Trees are traditional symbols of nature and harmony. Thus, they
> >   represent good.

The Tree of Life is a very ancient symbol of wholeness.  It exists
simultaneously in three worlds: the roots in the Underworld, the trunk
in the regular earthly environment, and the upper branches in the sky.
It is probably notable that the whole purpose of the sawmill that we
see in the opening sequence (right after the bird) is to cut up trees
and transform them into products that can be used in society.  This
provides a necessary livelihood for the town, but when the Bookhouse
Boys talk of the Evil that Lurks in the Woods, I have to wonder
whether society here is trying to suppress what it sees as dangerously
amoral possibilities inherent in an uncontrolled nature.  The woods
are often taken as a symbol of the unconscious mind, where these
shadow characteristics would necessarily lurk.

> >   EVIL SYMBOLS:

> >   Fire:  A major distinction between Western and Eastern philosophies is 
> >   the role of rationality within them.  Western philosophies
> >   place primary emphasis on rationality, while Eastern philosphies 
> >   seek balance between rational and irrational components.  Thus, 
> >   fire, a traditional symbol of rationality (e.g. the Prometheus 
> >   myth), represents evil (i.e. dissonance).

Fire is another destroyer of wood (and other things), with tremendous
potential for damage when uncontrolled.  And yet its controlled use is
seen as one of the earliest milestones in the development of the human
race.  The frequent images of fires in the fireplaces of the Great
Northern in particular (although I seem to remember some in the
Packard house) suggests a containment of this element within a wooden
framework (i.e., the building, not a wooden fireplace).  I believe Ben
Horne was looking into the fireplace (in which there was no fire) just
before turning around and seeing Whatever It Was in our last view of
him.  In the moments between Audrey's exit and that turning around, I
remember that my attention was focussed on that great expanse of
wooden wall behind him and thinking of Mike's statement that BOB has
lived for 40 years in a place that had much wood and many rooms (the
exact words were posted here recently by someone else).  Overall, the
Great Northern seems like a place of tremendous power, and not all
bad.  If I were looking for a symbol of the unity of the various White
and Black Lodge elements, I would look for them here.

> > Owls: Once again a symbol of rationality.  See the fire
> > discussion above.

The owls are a fascinating symbol, living as they do in the woods,
having such an air of rationality to them, and being emphasized so
many times as not being what they seem.  For some reason I am inclined
to associate them with the traditional "wise" figures in society,
whose wisdom would be carried on in the books in the Bookhouse.
Perhaps "the Owls are not what they seem" is telling Cooper that he
cannot rely upon the traditional wisdom of western society to understand what
is going on in Twin Peaks.

> >   GOOD PERSON:

> > Cooper: Cooper's personality can almost be defined by the word
> >"balance".
> >    An outward sign of this is his investigational style which is a 
> >    composite of the rational and the irrational ("...working hand-in-
> >    hand with the highest levels of intuition..."), and thus Cooper
> >    represents good.

Cooper certainly does emerge as an unusually balanced character.  But,
up until now, there has been his resistance to falling in love, which
is understandable after the experience with Caroline.  So this
infatuation with Annie is probably highly necessary for him to uncover
the parts of himself that he is still suppressing.  Now whether she's
good or evil is probably irrelevant.  What's important is that his
feelings about her are causing the disruption in his psyche 
leading to a sense of tremendous possibility that he had not sensed
before.  This will make him highly vulnerable to being fooled, misled,
or even destroyed, unless the guides that he relies upon can steer him
right.

> >   EVIL PEOPLE:

> >   WE:The character of Windom Earle has to be of the most unbalanced
> >   personas ever to grace American television.  The comparison
> >   between diamond and WE's mind (i.e. cold, hard, and brilliant)
> >   create a picture of extreme rationality (albeit insane extreme 
> >   rationality).  Thus, WE represents evil.

I certainly see WE as Cooper's Shadow.  And he can give us clues about
what Cooper might most fear in himself and need to face before
reaching the White Lodge.  I suspect that his biggest fear is that by
falling in love with someone he will come to be as possessive and
potentially destructive as Windom Earle was.  He also told Audrey that
by falling in love with Caroline he became blind to the danger that
she was in.  Certainly that seems to be happening with Annie. So by
opening himself to the joys of loving someone, he runs the risk of
losing access to a fundamental part of himself: the protector, a role
which is closely tied up with his social role as law enforcement
agent.

Leo Johnson has been the most notable pre-Windom Earle exemplar of
destructive possessiveness vis-a-vis a woman.  It seems fitting that
Leo should now be acting as the helpless servant of Windom Earle.

> >   BOB: The fact that Leland had no idea what he had done when possessed 
> >   by BOB (e.g. he did not know he killed Laura) indicates that
> >   BOB is not a unifying force, but a divisive one.  In short, BOB
> >   is the logical end result of disunity and dissonance, and therefore
> >   BOB represents EVIL, EVIL, EVIL.
 
Actually, BOB could be a Trickster figure, a character who sows
discord just for the sake of doing that.  Tricksters tend to be
outside conventional morality and stir things up just because society
is too boring for them.  Granted, BOB is a particularly dark and
sinister such figure.  Incidentally, in many Native American myths of
how fire was brought to people, it is a Trickster (Coyote, Raven,
etc.) who steals it and brings it to them.  Not to play down the truly
gruesome nature of BOB's manifestations, perhaps his actions are an
attempt to gain the attention of the society that has spurned him and
remind it that, much as it would like to settle into a quiet,
law-abiding existence, the actions of energetic, creative but amoral figures in
society's past have enabled it to grow.

Thinking of "energetic, creative, and amoral" brings Ben Horne to
mind.  The "horney" play on his name that popped up in another posting
fits this characterization, since he does seem to have sown his wild
oats rather widely in Twin Peaks, leading to the creation of Audrey
and [we assume] Donna.  I also think of the "horns" of the devil,
Lucifer, who in another mythology I believe brought fire to earth for
the use of humans.  But he seems to be out for his own interests,
following his own nature, not caring whether he hurts anyone, whereas
BOB seems to be able to express himself only by killing.  Ben can
clearly go either way in this struggle.  Putting him in the middle of
this very powerful place the Great Northern makes him very interesting
to me.

The important thing about seeing BOB as a Trickster is that it
reinforces your sense of a different dichotomy at work than simply
good and evil, I believe you spoke of opposites as necessary
components of the whole.  If this is truly the case, then harmony and
dissonance are also necessary components of the whole, so even the
terribly dark forces personified by BOB are necessary.  It was BOB's
emergence that brought Cooper to Twin Peaks, and if in fact this
adventure gives rise to any kind of enlightenment that could have
meaning beyond the confines of the town, then BOB could in fact be
seen as a bringer of fire, fire being an amoral element with both
destructive and useful potential.

   [more analysis, Explanation and interesting Unification deleted for brevity]

> >   PREDICTION:

> >      Annie will eventually be proven to be a proponent of evil.  Her rapid
> >   shift between the spiritual world (i.e. the convent) and the physical
> >   world (i.e. Twin Peaks) demonstrate a lack of balance in her life, and 
> >   portend an ominous future role for her character.

> >   ***The fact that Annie has disturbed Cooper's equilibrium (she keeps
> >  popping up in Cooper's mind when there is serious work to be done) also 
> >   supports this prediction.  That would make the Giant's "No!" a warning to 
> >   Cooper that he was getting involved with evil.***

Ah, yes, Annie.  Well, as I said above, I don't think of her as good
or evil.  It seems to me the question may be whether she is strong or
weak, because that will have a lot to do with whether Cooper can
really grow through this relationship.  It strikes me that up until
now he has seen his role with women as one of protector.  The tragedy
of his relationship with Caroline was that he couldn't protect her.
He essentially saw Audrey as someone that he had to protect, and he
refused to endanger that role.  In a sense, he is thinking of himself
as someone who can protect Annie from the hurts of life in society by
caring for her.  So if Windom Earle does succeed in killing her, it
will be a tragic reinforcement of Cooper's fear of love.

But assume for a moment that Annie was in fact tormented by BOB,
attempted suicide to escape him (as Laura allowed herself to die), but
realized that wasn't the answer, and went to the convent to get away
from him.  She has regained strength, perhaps picked up some spiritual
knowledge and realized that she has to come back to face something
that she fears in herself so that she can continue to grow and live.

She has an intriguing persona.  All the young (and some of the less
young) women in Twin Peaks seem to be desperately seeking something,
giving them a restlessness and desire to operate outside authority,
and causing them to make mistakes (I think of Shelly's and Norma's
marriages as mistakes).  And yet they don't seem to have the knowledge
that they need to really stand up to the forces they're dealing with.
They stay alive because men show up, often by coincidence and just in
time, to keep disaster from happening (I think of Harry's arrival at
Leland's house just before BOB is beginning to take over Leland as
Donna flaunts her knowledge at him).

But Annie doesn't seem to be as impulsive.  She may have been, five
years ago, but there seems to be an inner strength to her, a sense of
knowing who she is and who she is not, that makes her unusual.  She is
anxious to experience the life she has missed during her retreat, but
it seems that she is going to build her new experiences on top of her
inner self, rather than having to define herself by those experiences.
Donna seems to be DRIVEN by her desire to know the truth about Laura's
death and about her own birth, as was Audrey to know about One Eyed
Jack's, to the point where both have been blind to very great danger.
I have the feeling with Annie that she has, up until now, been more
inclined to hold back than to act, and there is something inside her
that is well aware of the evil possibilities of life, so it is an act
of courage to go back into it and face it.  This is what makes her
seem to me to be such a worthy partner for Cooper.  She may not need
his protection as much as he thinks she does, and she may in fact have
some knowledge that he needs.  Thus his greatest fear, that love will
blind him to danger, could be faced as he passes through the Black
Lodge in the maelstrom of horrible Revels that are about to be visited
upon Twin Peaks, and he could emerge, more whole and more wise, in the
White Lodge.

> >   **************************************************************************

> >      Oh well, like I said this is a stone not the path.  I throw this out
> >   in the hope that someone will use this idea to further their own work on
> >   the nature of the TP reality.  Any and all comments would be greatly
> >   appreciated.

> >   Matt BrinkmanInternet: BRINKMAN@EDSEQ1.LLNL.GOV

As you can see, your ideas gave me a lot to work with.  In reading
this over, I realized that I may have diverged from your path rather
drastically in some spots, but I hope you find my comments as
interesting as I found yours.

Barb Miller

In article <1991Apr16.181228@Unify.com> raveling@Unify.com (Paul Raveling) writes:
> >    --  He expects the show to die.  It seems unlikely that
> >ABC will support it, and doesn't think anyone else
> >will be willing to pick it up.  Production cost is
> >about $1.3 million per episode.
If everyone really is willing to pay, pay per view may be your hope.
Also, licensed products could pay for costs?
> >
> >You know what the treatment of Peaks reminds me of?  Star Trek.
> >It didn't last long on its first pass, but it started a dynasty.
> >Will we next have Twin Peaks, the Movie?  Then Twin Peaks, The
> >Next Generation?
No, twin peaks will never become the likes of Startrek  (sorry folks...)
There were 68 individual episodes.  TP has but 32 hours, all sequential.
It could go for a few runs, but after that, where is the suspense?  I've 
watched Star Trek (not that TNG dribble) for 15 years, and it is still
quite satisfying.

Peaks movies could work with support from the arts type theater.  But the
story goes so slowly, I doubt you could charge even 4 dollars a show.

Complaints can be emailed, but I will put this in my kill file
Jason O'Rourke     jorourke@ocf.berkeley.edu

C
C
Complaints can be emailed, but I will kill all re

In article <1991Apr20.232134.16803@agate.berkeley.edu>
jorourke@tsunami.Berkeley.EDU (Jason O'Rourke) makes some pretty good
distinctions between TP and Star Trek, and arguments why TP won't
really last the way ST did, but then:

> >Complaints can be emailed, but I will put this in my kill file

Why?  Why contribute to a discussion (and make a useful contribution,
in my opinion) only to bail out immediately?

(Subject changed to avoid the kill file.)


-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Poetry ends like a rope" --Jack Spicer

In article <51707@apple.Apple.COM> larryy@Apple.COM (Larry Yaeger) writes:
> >Sorry, Canadian friends... I don't even like to think about how frustrating
> >it must be to have the episode just disappear with no warning.  I sincerely
> >hope that Global reschedules.  As you probably are all too aware by now, the
> >show did go on in the States on Thursday as planned.  I really suspect that
> >Lynch has been heavily re-editing in preparation for the "wrap-up", hence the
> >late arrival of the tapes.

Wrong: the show that was aired 4/18 in the US was completed before the first
hiatus was announced.  The filming has always been several months ahead of
the airing; that's why comments saying "Lynch and Frost must read the net"
are so obviously wrong (unless you assume they can time travel, since someone
says this when last week's prediction shows up in this week's show).

I suspect that ABC got pissed off that the Canadians were seeing the show
first and interfered somehow; or it may just be an accident.

> >Contrary to Windom's and Joe Buck's belief (nice company ya keep there, Joe :-),
> >I don't think the White Lodge is "clumsy and ineffectual" as compared to the
> >Black Lodge.  Rather, the White Lodge's methods are simply more subtle, and
> >less direct than those of the Black Lodge.

I said that the White Lodge SEEMED clumsy and ineffectual, not that they
WERE.

> >enlightenment, or Heaven.  Because of this greater refinement, and, perhaps,
> >a greater respect for the ways of Fate (the way of Dao), the Giant is less
> >willing to remake the world, or to directly intervene, hence his cryptic,
> >oracular pronouncements to Dale.  Tonight's more direct "Nooo!" from the
> >Giant are a sign that things are really heating up, and was delivered with
> >a suitably concerned expression to accompany such a radical action.

Yes, and I don't believe that the White Lodge would interfere in this way
to save a single life.  Life and death (even murder) are, from their
elevated view, part of the natural cycle.  There is some reason why this
is more important, some bigger disaster that must be prevented.



--
Joe Buck
jbuck@janus.berkeley.edu {uunet,ucbvax}!janus.berkeley.edu!jbuck

Shortly after watching the 4/18 episode, I wrote down my predictions for the
final two hours of TP.  I wrote and wrote, but decided to trash it.  I find
that, in general, predicting the future even one day into the future of Twin
Peaks to be completely futile.  I have thus resigned myself to ride the roller
coster that Lynch/Frost et al. have built.  I admit, though, that it's fun to
try and second-guess them.
     A question: has someone out there kept track of the dates that each
episode played in the US?  I have managed to record each and every single one,
but I haven't been labeling them very religiously.  Please e-mail to me; I'll
post if there is enough interest.

-- --Robert "This is the language of the on again, off again future, and it is digital." BECKETT@VUCTRVAX.BITNET beckett@vuse.vanderbilt.edu -- Laurie BECKETT@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ...!uunet!vuse!beckett Anderson

In just rewatched episode 1002 today, the one with Cooper's famous
dream at the end.  When Cooper is sitting in the chair in the red room, right
next to him on a table or something is a golden globe.  This globe has a solid
ring a round. It appears to be the planet Saturn based on the ring.  Has   
anyone else ever noticed this? I am sure it is just total coincidence unless
they are trying to pull every element out of the dream and put it into the show.


-Steven Greco

lik@caen.engin.umich.edu (Leonard Ira Kamlet) writes:

> > In article <18470@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> jsnell@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Jason Snell) writes
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >People have asked about the fact that various people (pete, lady at RR,
>> > >coop...) suddenly found their hand shaking in the 4/18 episode.
>> > >
>> > >Well, well, well. It was their RIGHT hand. Now picture the last scene:
>> > >BOB, with his RIGHT hand floating in the air. Same hand, folks. Connection.
> > 
> > 
> >  Nobody's mentioned it, but which arm in the OAM missing?  We saw Bob come
> > through first just a right arm, then the rest of the body.  Could the
> > arm have been the OAM's arm?    Just a thought.   Also, the OAM was 
> > shaking a lot throughout his appearances on TP.
> > 
> >                 Len Kamlet

Left arm.

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swsh@ellis.uchicago.edu (Janet M. Swisher) writes:

>> > >  Trivia question: how many other MD's have we seen in TP (not Albert)
> > 
> > Only one that I can think of: the one in the hospital who told the
> > nurse "Tell the kitchen they've got to do something about the food."
> > (Or whatever the quote was.)

As a psychiatrist, Dr Jacoby would also be an MD (I think...)

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

In a previous article, slg20427@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (^ Windom Earle ^) says:

> >
> >In just rewatched episode 1002 today, the one with Cooper's famous
> >dream at the end.  When Cooper is sitting in the chair in the red room, right
> >next to him on a table or something is a golden globe.  This globe has a solid
> >ring a round. It appears to be the planet Saturn based on the ring.  Has   
> >anyone else ever noticed this? I am sure it is just total coincidence unless
> >they are trying to pull every element out of the dream and put it into the show.
> >
I doubt this has any significance, but I just remembered that, according to
the diary, Laura's dead cat was named Jupiter.

Keith
-- "I sat very still...so that the rat couldn't get to my foot. I couldn't stop thinking of how awful it was going to feel when it closed its jaws around my ankle and bit down...And so...because I knew all he wanted was my foot, _I bit my foot off myself_." From _The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer_ (Jennifer Lynch)

UN040377@WVNVAXA.WVNET.EDU writes:
> > 2. SDC is the Giant's only host.  The giant's appearance this time was merely
> >a vision, not a "hosting", and that's why the Giant couldn't speak this time.

Or could it be that when he entered the major as a host he couldn't
figure out how to use the microphone?

In article <41834@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> jbuck@janus.Berkeley.EDU (Joe Buck) writes:

   Yes, and I don't believe that the White Lodge would interfere in this way
   to save a single life.  Life and death (even murder) are, from their
   elevated view, part of the natural cycle.  There is some reason why this
   is more important, some bigger disaster that must be prevented.

Although the giant is less articulate now, one thing about this
appearance is that he actually seems to be bringing his message IN
TIME for Cooper to do something about it.  The first appearance was
after the murder of Laura Palmer, and the giant could only help Cooper
find clues.  The appearance at the Roadhouse during Maddie's murder
struck me as a sad acknowledgement of Cooper's inability to find the
murderer before he could kill again.  It would have been next to
impossible for Cooper to understand the giant's meaning, and get to
the Palmer house in time to save Maddie.  This time, it is a warning,
and if Cooper can catch his meaning in time (the writers will have to
help him here, since the readers of the net might not have agreed on
the meaning, even by June 10 :-)), he may actually be able to use the
knowledge to forestall disaster.  This seems as though the giant is
actually increasing his power (perhaps as Cooper's psychic connection
to the giant has grown, its usefulness to him is increasing).

Barb Miller

The following book recommendation comes from my wife, who is a student
of Communications at the Annenberg School at Penn.

"Target: Prime Time -- Advocacy Groups and the Struggle over
Entertainment Television", Kathryn C. Montgomery, Oxford University
Press 1989.

Just thought that this might be useful ...


-- Dave

In article <1991Apr20.202418.16413@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> sluzenski@kiewit.dartmouth.edu writes:
> >
> >I don't think I can wait until June for another episode!

Me either! 
> >
> >I think that BOB is at the cave opening when he is reaching out/in...my
> >question: does anyone think that the cave is the entrance to the Black
> >and/or White lodge(s) and with BOB's hand reaching in/out...do you think
> >that he is already *in* the Black Lodge (and he comes out periodically to 
> >cause trouble) or do you think that BOB is waiting for the planets to be
> >lined up so he can enter the Black lodge (and be even more evil than he
> >is now?)?

The way I interpreted this scene is that BOB is waiting for the planets
to align so he can _Leave_ the Black Lodge.  Perhaps he is annoyed with
all of the mayhem he has created, only to see that someone else has
"Taken Credit" for his actions. (i.e. "Why is it that a man dressed up
like a bat, get all of my press!) I guess we'll just have to wait...
and wait...and wait...to find out.

--
"You, What planet is this!" -Dr. Leonard McCoy

Robert Amour

  Several people have asked about the mysterious sad man that Hawk
  was feeding breakfast to.  It seems likely that this is just the
  roadie.
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In article <41834@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> jbuck@janus.Berkeley.EDU (Joe Buck)
writes:
> >In article <51707@apple.Apple.COM> larryy@Apple.COM (Larry Yaeger) writes:
>> >>Sorry, Canadian friends... I don't even like to think about how frustrating
>> >>it must be to have the episode just disappear with no warning.  I sincerely
>> >>hope that Global reschedules.  As you probably are all too aware by now, the
>> >>show did go on in the States on Thursday as planned.  I really suspect that
>> >>Lynch has been heavily re-editing in preparation for the "wrap-up", hence the
>> >>late arrival of the tapes.
> >
> >Wrong: the show that was aired 4/18 in the US was completed before the first
> >hiatus was announced.  The filming has always been several months ahead of
> >the airing; that's why comments saying "Lynch and Frost must read the net"
> >are so obviously wrong (unless you assume they can time travel, since someone
> >says this when last week's prediction shows up in this week's show).

Someone has claimed that Lynch tinkers with other directors work, that is,
creates the final cut, sometimes doing very little if he likes what has already
been done. Under the circumstances, I can easily believe that he has decided to
make some alterations in stuff that had already been virtually completed
resulting in delays as the original poster suggested. Also, it is very common
in the movie industry to recut 'completed' movies, even ones that have been
released, if the people holding the purse strings don't like the reviews or box
office.

[deletions]
> >Joe Buck

-Rich Haller

In article <4102@autodesk.COM> robertj@Autodesk.COM (Young Rob Jellinghaus)
writes:
> >In article <1991Apr19.125827.627@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>
xxmartn@lims04.lerc.nasa.gov writes:
> > 
>> >>Recall the diner scene where COOP and Annie were small talking...
>> >>All throughout this scene the camera is pulling back and we hear the 
>> >>"forboding" music.  That scene was *very* uncomfortable.  Clearly, those 
>> >>discussions between COOP and Annie were not meant to be "lovey dovey".  The 
>> >>"Blood" driping Coffee cup further shows the negative "air" about Annie.
> >
> >Feh.  The way I see it, they really are innocents in love in a dark
> >and dangerous world.  Their love is not enough to stave off the
> >evil that surrounds them.  But that doesn't mean they aren't sincere
> >and pure!
> >

The Major's statement that his greatest fear is "That love is not enough" is
particularly important in this regard.

>> >>And lastly, the Giant trying to warn COOP away from Annie...he was clearly 
>> >>(IMHO) trying to get COOP to not let Annie become his queen.
> >
> >No, no.  He was simply saying "NO!  Don't let Annie enter the Miss TP
> >contest!"  Followed by a shot of Windom that clued Coop into what is
> >going on with the petroglyph.  But the Giant wasn't slamming Annie,
> >just the idea that Annie might enter the contest.
> >

Right on, Rob. It's meant to make us think that Annie will win and therefor be
the one that WE tries to kill. His concern makes it look like WE will succeed.
Whether this turns out to be the case or not, remains to be seen. They worked
pretty hard to make us think that Ben killed Laura.

> >Rob Jellinghaus

-Rich Haller

In article <41575@netnews.upenn.edu> shiau@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Mr. Liquid
Cheeze) writes:
> >In article <1991Apr18.012204.227@mac.cc.macalstr.edu> sdbeck@macalstr.edu
writes:
> >=>I just thought I'd put in my own theory on Twin Peaks and symbolism, etc.
> >=>
> >=>IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING!!! And if it does, it's not intentional!!!
> >=>
[deletions]
=>In any case, my point is: symbolism on twin peaks doesn't really mean
> >=>anything!  I firmly believe that the "deeper meaning" of at least half
> >=>of the mysterious stuff on the show is just there for fun, and to get people
> >=>like us to have fun speculating. (maybe I shouldn't include myself in that).
> >=>
[deletions]
> >
> >Although Lynch and company may not conciously decide to put symbols into the
> >show the simple fact of the matter is that they are indeed there.  Why?  We
> >really don't know.  Through interpretation we can take a little peek into the
> >psyche of Lynch and company.
> >
[deletions]

> >           University of Pennsylvania --- shiau@eniac.seas.upenn.edu

Some of the symbolism is clearly planned.  Weren't you sure that BOB was going
to appear at the end of the last episode? I was.  Aren't you convinced that the
shaking arms early are related to BOB's arm appearing first? I am.

I think more of it is real, but not planned.  Lynch appears to be an artist who
prefers to let stuff just 'come out' of him and not try to intellectualize
about it. In fact, he probably is more concerned about 'getting in the way' of
his creative process.  Contrast this with someone like James Joyce where I
would bet that a tremendous amount of crafting went into creating the multiple
layers of symbolism in something like Ullyses. It did not, like Athena, spring
fully grown from his brow.  My guess is that Lynch writes much more in a true
free association mode and does some tinkering with what comes out, but is
probably just as surprised and amused as we are sometimes.

Finally, I think a lot of it is like tea leaves or rorshach ink blots.  It
tells us as much about our own minds as it does about what is going on it L&F
and companies minds.  However, don't forget that their 'style' or whatever you
want to call it, creates the conditions for this to happen. Ever have something
like the TP experience while watching Cheers or any other TV series?

What makes TP unique is that it inspires people to THINK and be creative, not
just passive.

-Rich Haller

jbuck@janus.Berkeley.EDU (Joe Buck) writes:
> >I suspect that ABC got pissed off that the Canadians were seeing the show
> >first and interfered somehow; or it may just be an accident.

To be honest, I don't think ABC gives a shit about who sees Twin Peaks
first.  In fact, it's becoming apparent that ABC doesn't give a shit
about the show.  With the poor ratings, however, I almost can't blame
them.  Note that I said almost.  ABC has a bad habit of putting the best
shows in the worst timeslots.

--
bvickers@ics.uci.edu | "Only a large-scale popular movement toward
brett@ucippro.bitnet |  decentralization and self-help can arrest the
                     |  present tendency toward statism." - Aldous Huxley

Figures...I was selected to be an arbitron rating household for
the week of May 8th.  I'll probably count for 100,000 people.  Of
course arbitron is second to Nielson, but it definitely counts.

Talk about tragic irony.

#Ron

P.S.  Please don't mail me trying to solicit viewership for another
      show unless you are prepared to compensate! :-)

tlynch@nntp-server.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:

> > rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:
>> > >In article <1991Apr19.190935.22791@nntp-server.caltech.edu> coufal@globie.ca
> > 
>>> > >>Twin Peaks Season Two Episode 20 (2020)
> > 
>>> > >>Layne Robert RicoPilot
> > 
>> > >So. . . what pilot?  Anyone notice a pilot?
> > 
> > You mean the one flying Wheeler's jet?  Nope--didn't notice him at all.  :-)

And the one who, no doubt, got out of the plane while Wheeler and Audrey 
were engaging in a deep and meaningful shagging experience...
> > 

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In article <1991Apr20.193714.15838@watserv1.waterloo.edu>
alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >In article <1991Apr19.141439.1@si194b.llnl.gov> brinkman@si194b.llnl.gov
writes:
>> >>
>> >> Buddism:  The final ideal is to reach a state 
>> >>of internal and external balance and to embrace opposites as necessary 
>> >>components of the whole.  
>> >>
> >In astrology, Jupiter very generally refers to good and Saturn to evil.
> >A conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn could symbolize good and evil merging.
> > 
> >a.h.
> >

I'm no astrology buff so I ran over to the library and looked in some
dictionaries of Astrology. One of them stated that Jupiter is traditionally
regarded as "the greater Fortune" and "Benefic" while Saturn is "the greater
Infortune" and "Malefic".

Having them together could imply either an opportunity for
enlightenment/nirvana, or, if one takes the dualist POV, a choice point, one
path leading to great fortune and the other to disaster, Armageddon, if you
will. Coop seems drawn to the Buddhist path, but he is finding it hard to let
go of the idea that there is a real evil force that must be vanquished by
opposing it with counterforce.

Buddhism seems to be very aware of the dangers in such thinking.  If you regard
evil as other, you can wind up becoming something very like that which you seek
to destroy.  "We had to destroy the village in order to save it."

I think that Coops desire to stalemate WE rather than defeat him may indicate
he accepts this at some level.  Whether he can hold on to that if WE manages to
kill Annie is another question.

-Rich

Now, I'm as big a fan of alt.tv.tp as the next guy, but I think
I'm beginning to agree that all our interpretations, predictions, and
speculations are just a tad useless. Look at it this way: if you think
back to the first season, and the beginning of this one, you'll realize that nobody had a snowball's chance in hell of figuring out WKLP. Really. The only clue I can think of that we were given is that the only time BOB appeared outside of
Coop's visions was in the Palmer household. Can anyone think of any
other bits of evidence? (I should note that I missed two or three
episodes after WKLP was revealed to us, so they may have explained some
things I missed.)
Frankly, when I found out that BOB was in Leland, I was
just a tad pissed, precisely because it seemed so random; he could just
as well have possessed any of the characters. Now, though, I'm beginning
to see that Twin Peaks' inexplicable nature is precisely why I liked it
so much. The 4/18 episode was so much better than the previous ones
simply because it WAS inexplicable; I suspect we'll never get an
explanation as to why, say, the red curtains were reflected in the
puddle at the end, and I think we're better off that way.
I don't know if this is true for everybody else, but for me, the
images that linger in my memory from the first season, and the beginning
of this one, are the ones that were never explained. Remember the fish
in the coffee pot? Remember that fat kid break dancing in the hall of TP
high in the very first episode? Remember the creamed corn kid? None of
these were ever explained. None of these ever _should_ be explained. 
Of course, I'm not saying that I want everything to remain a
mystery. I would have been annoyed if we didn't find out WKLP. I do
think the two main plots -- WE v. Coop and the Black lodge V. The White
Lodge -- will be wrapped up, at least in some fashion. I just don't
think we'll ever see some sort of Grand Unified Theory from Lynch/Frost.
At least, I hope we never do.
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SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT: To commemorate the upcoming 10th
version of this list, I want to restructure the list--in
other words, make it easier to read.  Some of the recurring
imagery can be grouped with others, while others, well, you
get the point.  I'm hoping for suggestions as to how I can
do this.  Please send them by E-mail, please!!  Thank you.

**SPOILERS ABOUND FOR THOSE HERE AND IN EUROPE**

Background: This list was first done as a tongue-in-cheek
joke by yours truly, but is now a "canonical" listing of
the legitimate and not-so-legitimate recurring imagery that
occurs frequently in the "^Twin Peaks^" TV show.

Also available: "The 12 Days of Christmas" a la "^Twin Peaks^"
 
Well, here's the ninth version of this list.
Special thanks go to the following people for contributing:
  Linda Birmingham (twice), Scott L. Vandenberg, Ann Hodgins,
  Jeanne Stapleton, Bradford H. Needham, Palmer Davis,
  "Arachnid", Greg M. Brown, Eric Daniels, Ron Sires,
  Bill Downing, "Scratch", Rocky Giovinazzo (thrice),
  Kathleen Hunt (twice), Bob Hettmansperger, John Locke,
  Nadir Ahmed (twice), Gary Kacmarcik, Marc Kriguer,
  David Barker-Plummer, S. Clark, "Cool Bean", Kenneth Bays,
  Rod Johnson, Kurt Svihla, Malachi Orion Kelerison,
  Jeff Calhoun, and Raymond Suke Flournoy. 

Symbols/motifs in the "^Twin Peaks^" Universe
(last updated 4/21/91, 4/13/91, 4/2/91, 3/16/91, 3/4/91,
  2/28/91, 2/19/91, 2/8/91, and in January): 

  1.  Sex, comedy, violence, and rock 'n roll music (what
else could one want in a TV show?)

  2.  Ceiling fan in the Palmer home

  3.  Traffic light

  4.  "Invitation to Love" soap opera

  5.  Waterfall outside The Great Northern Inn

  6.  Sprinkler on the Sheriff's Office ceiling

  7.  Birds:
Robin (from opening sequence),
Crow (when Agent Cooper, Sheriff Truman, Deputy
  Hawk, and Dr. Hayward enter Jacque Renault's log
  cabin), and
Owls:
  Owls
  Owl Cave 

  8.  Psychic visions

  9.  Trees/forest/wood:
Forest in/outside Twin Peaks,
Log Lady's log,
Book House Boys patch, and
Knob on drawer in The Great Northern Inn

 10.  Dead people:
Laura Palmer,
Bernard/Jacque/Jean Renault,
Emory Battis,
Blackie O'Reilly,
Harold Smith,
Madeleine Ferguson,
Leland Palmer,
Douglas "Dougie" Milford,
Eric Powell (dead drifter),
Jeffery Marsh,
Malcolm Sloan,
Jonathan Kumagai,
Thomas Eckhardt,
Josie Packard, and
Rusty Tomaski (heavy metal victim)

Also Theresa Banks,
The Log Lady's husband (see #15),
Nicholas "Nicky" Needleman's parents, and
Caroline Powell Earle

 11.  Phases of the moon 

 12.  Glasses/sunglasses:
Doctor Jacoby,
Benjamin Horne,
Jerry Horne,
The Log Lady,
Madeleine Ferguson,
Laura Palmer/Donna Hayward, 
Evelyn Marsh, 
Thomas Eckhardt, and
John Wheeler

 13.  Cigarette/cigar smoking:
Benjamin Horne,
Shelley/Leo Johnson,
Bobby Briggs,
Audrew Horne,
Josie Packard,
Donna Hayward, and
Evelyn Marsh

 14.  Fire:
The Log Lady's husband died in a forest fire,
"Fire, walk with me"--Mike and BOB,
"Fire is the devil, hiding like a coward in the
  smoke"--The Log Lady,
The scorched smell that Doctor Jacoby and Madeleine
  Ferguson both smelled when BOB was around,
Packard sawmill fire, and
The fire from the fireplace at the Great Northern
  lobby reflecting off Thomas Eckhardt's sunglasses 

 15.  White horse:
Laura Palmer's pony (Troy) that was seen by Sarah
  Palmer right before BOB killed Madeleine Ferguson,
"General" Benjamin Horne's Civil War piece(s), and
"General" Benjamin Horne's stuffed horse "Traveller"

 16.  Light and dark/White and black:
White/Black Lodge, and
Chess pieces (see #21)

 17.  Light fixtures/lightbulbs on the ceiling:
Sputtering light in Twin Peaks hospital (coroner)
  when Agent Cooper inspects Laura Palmer's body,
Sheriff's Office light when Eric Powell is found, and
Leo/Shelly Johnson's ceiling light when Leo awakens

 18.  Animal heads:
A chicken head (maybe a whole chicken) on "'Big'
  Ed's Gas Farm" sign (see #33),
The mounted deer head in the Sheriff's Office with
  the sign "The Buck Stopped Here"
The deer head that's on the table when Sheriff Truman
  and Agent Cooper bring in Laura Palmer's safety
  deposit box,
The assortment of trophys in the den (?) in
  Pete/Catherine Martell's home, 
The deer head next to Eric Powell,
The cooked pig head that Josie serves as the main
  course in the dinner to Catherine Martell and
    Thomas Eckhardt, and
The mounted dear head in the Book House

 19.  Hank Jenning's domino

 20.  Chess/chess pieces:
Agent Cooper and Windham Earle's chess game,
"Dr. Gerald Craig's" gift (black knight) to Dr. Hayward, and 
Rusty Tomaski inside giant (black pawn) at the gazebo

 21.  Twins/opposites:
Agent Cooper/Windham Earle,
Laura Palmer/Madeleine Ferguson,
Bernard/Jacque Renault, 
Mike/Bob:
  Mike Nelson (Nadine Hurley's crush)/Bobby Briggs,
  Phillip Michael Gerard (the OAM)/Bob Lydecker (vet),
  Mike (spirit inside OAM)/Killer BOB, and
The Giant/Little Man from Another Place

 22.  "Family trios" (warped versions on Daddy/Mommy/Child): 
Bobby Briggs/Shelly Johnson/Leo Johnson,
(Dick Tremayne/Andy)/Lucy Moran/Nicholas "Nicky" Needleman,
"Big" Ed Hurley/Norma Jennings/Nadine Hurley,
Bobby Briggs/Audrey Horne/Benjamin Horne,
Malcolm/Evelyn Marsh/James Hurley, and
(Pete Martell/Andrew Packard/Thomas Eckhardt)/
  Catherine Martell/Josie Packard

 23.  The color brown

 24.  Lookalikes (characters who physically resemble each
other):
Benjamin Horne/Leland Palmer,
Audrey Horne/Donna Hayward (this is truer than we 
  thought!!), and
Laura Palmer/Madeleine Ferguson

 25.  Tattoos:
Major Brigg's neck, and
The Log Lady's leg

 26.  Red curtains in various dreams/visions/places:
The Roadhouse stage,
Agent Cooper's first dream sequence with the Little
  Man from Another Place, 
Jacque Renault's log cabin, and
One Eyed Jacks

 27.  Furry animals:
The llama,
Josie Packard's vicuua coat (well, kind of >=)),
The white animal (fox?) in Benjamin Horne's office, and
The pine weasel

 28.  Picnics:
Laura Palmer/Donna Hayward/James Hurley,
Donna Hayward/James Hurley, and
Audrey Horne/John Wheeler

 29.  Items on shelves:
The Hurley home ("Big" Ed),
The Palmer's home (fireplace mantle), and
The Great Northern

 30.  Alteregos/characters:
Madeleine Ferguson/Laura Palmer (in a wig?),
Hester Prinn (sp?)/Audrey Horne,
Leo/Bobby (he did an impression of him),
Mister Tojamura/Catherine Martell,
Dennis Bryson/Denise,
(Woody and name)/Andy Brennan and Dick Tremayne (when
  they were looking for Nichola "Nicky" Needleman's file),
Civil War characters/Benjamin Horne, Jerry Horne,
  Bobby Briggs, Audrey Horne, and Doctor Jacoby,
Mr. and Mrs. Inkman/Mike Nelson and Nadine Hurley,
Dr. Gerald Craig/Windham Earle, and
Edward Perkins/Windham Earle

 31.  Astrological symbols

 32.  Lumber trucks

 33.  Signs
"Welcome to Twin Peaks",
"Twin Peaks Sheriff Station",
"Mar-T"/"RR Diner",
"The Great Northern",
"Twin Peaks High School",
"'Big' Ed's Gas Farm",
"The Road House",
"Wallie's Hide-Out", and
"The Book House"

 34.  Poetry
Mike--"Fire, walk with me"/"His name is BOB".
BOB--"Fire, walk with me"/"I'll catch you in my
  death bag"
Shakespeare--"Shall I compare thee to..." (poetic
  lines from R&H)
Yeats--"Love comes in at the eye..."
Shelley--(fragment of "Love's Philosophy" sent by
  Agent Cooper to Caroline Powell Earle, and by
  Windham Earle to Audrey Horne, Donna Hayward, and
  Shelly Johnson)
Pete Martell--(limerick/ode to Josie)

 35.  Food
Donuts at the Twin Peaks Sheriff's Station,
Cherry pie and coffee at the RR Diner, and
Benjamin Horne and carrots

 36.  Skirts (almost all of the females in Twin Peaks and at
least one male seem to prefer them to pants)
--
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Internet: 6600koga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu        2)"Dances with Wolves" by John Barry
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Subject: TP Astrology


Yo Peakers,
  A couple of words on the Jupiter/Saturn conjunction from Simon,
your friendly, neighborhood astrologer.  In our world, the last
conjunctions between them occured in late 1980 through mid 1981.
(There were actually three exact conjunctions then due to the 
retrograde motion of both planets.)  The next will not occur until
the end of May 2000.  This does not correspond with any TP time
frame, but who ever said it should?  
  The meaning of this aspect is generally one of conflict between
the expansive Jovian energies and Saturn's contracting ones.  A
pair of opposites if there ever was one.  This does correspond
nicely to the WL/BL dichotomy, if you use the traditional good/
bad astrological interpretations of the planets.  (Most modern
astrologers use a more 'humanistic' interpretation that avoids
words like 'good', 'bad' and 'fate'.)
  IMHO, all this stuff means something only if Lynch has a full
time astrologer on the staff (I wouldn't put it past him) or is
married to one or something.  Yea, I couldn't come up with another
conjunction that captured the idea of opposites as well as the
Jupiter/Saturn one, but you'd have to be really into the subject 
to be able to know why.  I must admit that it looks really well
planned to me, but that is only 'cause I am used to looking for
such things.  I'd probably chalk this one up to good ol'
Synchronicity and say that Lynch (or whoever was responsible for
the choice) just happened to (signifcantly?) get lucky.

  BTW, if it took seven or eight men to get the chess piece off the
gazebo, how did WE get it up there with only himself and Leo to
help?  Maybe Nadine has more secrets than the ones that Mike
found out *8.) ?


                    God Over Djinn
                      (but maybe not a good cup o'joe!)
                      Simon



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I forgot a sign: the buzzing, sputtering "One-Eyed Jacks" sign we saw
over and over again for a few weeks, most often as a closeup on "J".


-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Poetry ends like a rope" --Jack Spicer

Is bob somebody who already found the black lodge? And now he has the supernatu
ral powers for the sake of furthering evil?  And was pete martell talking to jo
sie, is she still around?

   In the last episode, there will be a convention of aliens at the
Great Northern including things that look like giants, dwarfs, and
owls.  The latter cause the most problems for the management.  Just
when they get some fresh mice for them, M. T. Wentz returns.

The local (Champaign, IL) and nearby major metropolitan (Chicago) TV listings
both say an episode is being shown this week (4/25).  Is this true, or did 
someone in printing screw up again?



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G'Day All,

I'm having a Twin Peaks party soon and I'd like some GIFs for the
invitation. Could someone point out where I might find some?

Thanks,

Sean

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In article <1991Apr20.092814.21602@athena.mit.edu> astronut@athena.mit.edu (Robert M Sanner) writes:
> >
> >I'm a bit behind in the postings, so forgive me if this has already
> >been pointed out, but why couldn't this "paw print" be (yet another) symbol
> >for Jupiter?  The planet itself, with its four Galilean satellites (Io,
> >Europa, Ganymede, and Callisto) would be all ancient star gazers would be
> >able to discern...

It would only be Jupiter if seen from over one of its own poles.  Jupiter,
like everything else except Uranus, has its axis more-or-less perpendicular
to the ecliptic plane, so from Earth or anywhere else in the plane, it
looks like this:

. . *  .   .

Where the "."s are the Galilean satellites and "*" is Jupiter.

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In article <3417@beguine.UUCP> George.Harris@bbs.acs.unc.edu (George Harris) writes:
> >
> >Oh-by-the-way, tha silver block Catherine & Abdrew found is actually
> >a sub-critical mass of plutonium, & they'll both die of radiation poisoning.
> >(just kidding)

For all we know, it could be.  Although it looks like they lifted it too
easily (in their fingers, instead of in their hands) for something of such
great density.I'm about ready to drop most of the UFO hypothesis, but
just for rampant speculation, maybe whatshisname found a piece of a crashed
UFO a long time ago, and kept it in hiding (so the Major's buddies didn't
get their hands on it.)  Now that he's dead, he has to pass the secret on
to someone.


I would love to know why we had the sudden flash to that animal (mountain
goat?) hanging on the wall, though!


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I don't know if we're meant to make anything of it, but I noticed that we
had a John Wheeler on the show, and another John Wheeler was a physicist
who temporarily championed the idea that when a quantum-level event takes
place, *all* of the possible outcomes happen in different universes rather
than one being "selected" at random.  (He later rejected the theory as
"carrying too great a load of metaphysical baggage.")

Then on the 4/18 episode, we have a quote from Heisenburg to the effect
that what we see isn't the universe, but the universe according to the way
we look at it.Very interesting...

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In article <111@soda> blojo@soda.berkeley.edu writes:
>> >> Then there is the hand twitching of the lady, Coop & Pete. Is
>> >> this tied in to the above. With everyone in the town being
>> >> drawn to the conjunction of the two lodges?
> >
> >Don't forget Ben.  At the beginning of the episode, Doc Hayward is seeing
> >Ben about heart attack symptoms he has been having; Doc declares he is
> >in no such danger.  We may assume that Ben experienced a similar
> >hand-twitching experience which prompted the visit.

My apologies if this has already been posted -- with 247 postings to
go I don't think I can make it through them tonight! My interpretation
of the hand-shaking was that it was part of the building of energy 
for Bob's physical manifesting. All three seen shakers had their right
hand shaking. When Bob came out of the black light it was with his
right hand first, exposed just to the point where the people's shake
had stopped.

What if Windom gets to the Black Lodge only to be rejected by them?
After all, isn't it a little ironic that Laura and Leland who were
basically good people couldn't escape its influence while Windam,
who's been searching for it for decades still can't find it? Maybe
Windom who's motivation is the greed for more evil power will arrive
at the source of the power and find he is useless to them because,
already converted to evil, he offers no new energy...

In article <8535@idunno.Princeton.EDU>, jacobw@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jacob S Weinstein) writes:
> > Look at it this way: if you think
> > back to the first season, and the beginning of this one, you'll realize that
> > nobody had a snowball's chance in hell of figuring out WKLP. 

  If you read the first half of almost any mystery novel, nobody will 
  have a snowball's chance in hell of figuring it out.  What you will
  have is a suspect list.  And by the end of the first season, Leland
  was in the top three for most people.

> > Really. The 
> > only clue I can think of that we were given is that the only time BOB 
> > appeared outside of Coop's visions was in the Palmer household.

  In the first season the only times I remember seeing BOB is in Coop's
  dream and in Sarah Palmer's vision.  In the second season, BOB was
  seen at the Hayward house, in Ronette's dream/memory, and in Coop's
  'owl dream'.  Was BOB seen anywhere else before Leland was revealed?

> > Can anyone think of any other bits of evidence? 

  One of the biggest clues for me is based on the fact that Leland saw
  Maddy sneak out of the house to go to the gazebo.  I assumed Leland
  followed her and then attack Jacoby.  I think he saw Maddy as Laura
  and his hair turned white -- he saw a ghost.  After killing Jacques
  he is quite hysterical.  As soon as the alarm stops, he becomes real
  calm and sneaks out.  And don't forget... "You may think I've gone
  insane, but I promise, I will kill again."  Who appeared crazier
  than Leland?

> > (I should note that I missed two or three
> > episodes after WKLP was revealed to us, so they may have explained some
> > things I missed.)

  You missed the capture, confession, and clue recap?!?  You definitely
  need to find someone who has these episodes taped.  You missed a lot
  of information, not to mention great acting by Ray Wise.

> > Frankly, when I found out that BOB was in Leland, I was
> > just a tad pissed, precisely because it seemed so random; 

  Before it was revealed, someone made a contest revolving around WKLP.
  Leland beat out everyone else at least 2 to 1.  If someone still has
  the final tally, I would be interested in knowing the exact vote.

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A friend of a friend who works for the CIA mentioned something interesting to 
me regarding the Project Blue Book. At some point in time, he said that Pres. 
George Bush was somehow involved in this project and that he even has a 
tattoo to prove it. Anyway, everything began to make sense for me upon viewing
the final scene of the 4/18 episode. Someone had asked what that "light thing"
was to the left of the screen just before Bob's hand made its entrance.
Well, after painstakingly viewing it very closely, I could see that the "thing"
actually consisted of exactly a thousand pixels [points] of light.

The reason why the government has been so secretive about the Project Blue
Book is because they actually have the planet Jupiter wired up with atomic
bombs and of course hell will break loose once environmental types learn
of this. The probes that were sent out to Jupiter (was it the Magellan) had
a secret mission of planting these bombs all over the planet. Apparently,
the Air Force does know about the possible Armagedon that may occur once 
Jupiter and Saturn aligned. This earth day, when asked whether the President 
would actually go to the extent of destroying Jupiter in order to save the 
planet Earth, the president replies "We're nah gonna do ih" (with matching hand
gestures).


Happy Earth Day,
Louie


P.S. The planting of atomic bombs in Jupiter is not true. It is a solution
     that one would probably find in a Superman movie but hey, it is a 
     solution; and we have the technology.

Okay, as someome suggested, I took the backward briggs speech and reversed
it syllable by syllable. It does indeed seem to say:

"That Gum You Like Is Coming Back..."

weird. Remember, the little man said it forward but backward. now briggsy is
saying it backward but forward? weird. if we're not just reading way too
much into this whole thing.

but I don't think we are. if for no other reason than his "emoc" sound was
OBVIOUSLY meant to be a backward syllable.

If someone has access to an ftp location, I'd be glad to send them digitized
versions of both the straight backward and the "syll-by-syll" backward
sound files (mac format... um, stuffed, binhexed okay? or no?)... just
mail me and ask.

-jason

-- Jason Snell / jsnell@ucsd.edu / University of California, San Diego "Of course, Shakespeare would have loved your ratings system-- 'Twelfth Night' would have been lucky to have lasted one!" --Max Headroom

Okay, I am presently reading through the autobiography, what
are some of the opinions people have concerning Coop's life
& youth & their connection to the big picture, his personality
the BL & BOB?
Spoilers



-Okay what about Coop's mother and her prophetic dreams, seems
as though special agent Cooper received his gift of visions from
her. What was the person in her dreams: A symbol of her death
or some dark evil? Didn't young Coop dream of a mysterious man too?

-That incident when Coop chased the person, or was it, eventually
revealing the murdered girl also seems significant, it reveals his
belief in an evil in the world, yet could it be connected to what is
happening in TP? He mentioned a shaking hand, I believe
not hands. Any possible connection to the shaking hands of the 4/18
episode? Or could it have just been person fear? Could that person/thing
have been BOB, or one of the dark agents similar to BOB? Maybe, if it
was BOB then his connection to BOB could go way back, & as I believe
his arriving in TP to investigate Laura's death wasn't mere coincidence,
maybe even planned by BOB.


-He is not a virgin. So then maybe the virginal savior theme may
then in fact apply to Annie. Will she die like the other spiritual
women of his life?


-Any ideas where he travelled to during the 3 missing years?
He did imply that he tried some hallucinogens to expand his
consciousness. Did he travel over the water, go to Tibet?
Though I thought that going to Tibet was one of the things he
longed to do, as mentioned in his speech to Diane as he lay
bleeding in his room.


Sally-



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rjp1@cbnewsc.att.com (be here now) writes (about Catherine and Andrew opening
the intermediate puzzle box):
> >Did you notice that goat head on the wall behind them watching?  (I think it
> >was a goat?)
A goat's head is used in certain satanic rituals to indicate the devil.  None
too subtle, needless to say...
 
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So, we just heard that Twin Peaks is officially canceled.  The announcement 
was made on Entertainment Tonight.  Are there any letter writing campaigns, 
anyone know of plans for syndication/cable?  Perhaps Fox will pick it up?

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In article <229@aardvark.PDX.COM>, shawn@Aardvark.PDX.COM (Shawn Allen) writes:
> > 
> > 
> > I remember hearing somewhere that Linch filmed 3 different
> > scences with a different killer (of laura) in each so that
> > the actors didn't even know which one of them killed her..
> > 
We in Australia have heard this rumor, and I would certainly like to know
if it is true. If so, I don't have to worry so much about the couple of
episodes I have missed, because the clues wouldn't lead to who killed Laura
anyway.
Koren Mitchell (who really doesn't care who killed her, and only watches TP
                for the music)

After a lot of comtemplation regarding who will become Miss Twin Peaks, I
have come to a prediction.

The winner will be... Laura Palmer!  I have several reasons for this choice:
    1) A couple of months ago, when the COOP parties were going on, someone
posted that they had talked to Michael Horse, who plays Hawk.  This person
posted that the only detail Mr. Horse would reveal about upcoming episodes 
was: (paraphrased) "You won't believe who wins the Miss Twin Peaks pageant!"
Now, with all the other recent, intensely important happenings going on in
the Twin Peaks world, I don't think he would have chosen this particular
plot to comment on unless it was going to be a very surprising, important
event.  Of the girls currently in the contest: Donna, Shelley, Lana, Lucy,
Audrey (maybe), and Nadine, none of them really fit Mr. Horse's above comment.
Nadine, possibly, since she'd certainly be an unexpected winner, but Laura
would be an even more amazing, bizarrely Lynchian twist.
    2) There must be SOME reason why Laura's picture (as a homecoming
*QUEEN*) is still shown at the end of each episode.
    3) Just a strong hunch.

I don't know exactly how this would come about.  Maybe the girls in the
contest will start thinking about Laura and decide that she should have
the title as a way of honoring and commemorating this formerly beloved
citizen of the Twin Peaks community.  Or maybe she will physically reappear,
with help from the White Lodge.  Whichever way this comes about, I think
Laura being chosen as the winner will foil Earle's plans, thereby finally
redeeming Laura's soul (something she was always trying, but never able,
to do while she was alive.)

I have always had a feeling (and a hope) that the some of the more important
deceased citizens of Twin Peaks would make an encore appearance in the
final show.  Then again, hopefully this won't be the final show.

Comments?  

(God, I hate having a newsfeed that stays 3 days behind!) 

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In article <1991Apr19.220923.26393@colorado.edu>, ingraffi@tramp.Colorado.EDU (INGRAFFIA EDMOND J) writes:
> > In article <1991Apr19.184438.24569@swbatl.sbc.com> jjj@sw1a6.UUCP (Joyan Jackson) writes:
>> >>In the closing scene just before Bob came through the door
>> >>there was something shown on the left side of the screen above
>> >>the black hole (entrance to the Black Lodge?), what was it?
> > 
> > YES!!! Someone with a VCR PLEASE post this if you know it.
> > 
> > As soon as the camera moved in on the clearing in the woods, I 
> > jumped up and got real close to the TV to see what had appeared 
> > on the LEFT side of the screen, and then the image of BOB's arm 
> > began to appear on the right side of the screen. Then they went to 
> > a cclose up of BOB's arm, and finally his corporial emergence.
> > 
> > WHAT WAS THAT ON THE LEFT SIDE??? An owl maybe???
> > 
> > Someone do us VCR-less folks right...

That had me curious too.  So I checked it out (we have a VCR).  It was
just a spotlight on some bushes.  Noghing more spectacular than that.

--Cool Bean
-- **This is not cultural.

GIOVIN%POLLUX@ecs.umass.edu (Rocky Giovinazzo) writes:
   >Also, I wonder who was the person at the police station who Lucy
   >said, "looked really sad."  It reminded me of the time that Lucy got a 
   >call for the sherrif from a person who wouldn't identify himself-- and
   >then we never heard anything else about it.

I assumed, since this occurred near the beginning, that it was the friend
of 'Rusty', the teenager in the pawn.  By the way, why did WE choose
someone named 'Rusty Tomansky'?  His previous pawn had the same last name
as Carolyn's maiden name, so I assume there's some connection here which
we haven't seen yet. 

   >I also wonder how Eckhardt could have known
   >that Catherine's box would arrive on a particular day AFTER his death
   >(so that he could program the particular code for Andrew to find).  

This is a GOOD point.  Continuity error or meaningful?

   >Could anyone make out what WE called the "evil sorcerors?"

I heard it as 'dugpas'.


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sjohnson@texas.vlsi.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:
    >Just thought I'd state
    >my relief upon finding no
    >UFOs creeping into the show.
    >I was hoping and assuming that
    >all this weirdness was more myth-
    >ical than extraterrestrial. Thanks Dave.

Same here, but don't be too sure that it isn't.  Jupiter and Saturn are
involved, somehow.  I don't think any reference would have been made to these
planets if aliens weren't going to be involved at least a little.
The 'dugpas' that WE spoke of may in fact be an alien life form.
The silvery object from the mystery box reminds me of the monolith from
the film 2001.  

But yeah, I'd rather TP stick to mysticism.


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I'd love to see Twin Peaks for another year, but really, what more can they
do?  By the end of the first season, they had exposed us to the tip of the
Twin Peaks iceberg.  By (almost) the end of the second, we've gone from
a small town with secrets to a huge, epic-like mythos concerning the
philosophical battle between evil and good in the world, and possibly the 
fate of the world itself!  What more could they really do next season to
duplicate such an exponential increase in depth?  I can't think of a thing
that wouldn't pale in comparison with this season and the battle we're
going to see in June.  Apparently, Lynch must have something in mind, or
I doubt he would be so eager to keep TP on the air.  I don't think he's the
type who would want TP on just to bring in money.

But, seriously, what could they do next season that would match the upcoming
fateful battle between opposing forces in the world?  That's pretty heavy.



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I don't spoil that much.


Wasn't the opening scene, when the dead sniveling teenager
(pawn) was being rocked utterly ghastly?  Scared me.

Of course when WE and Leostein nab the major, all I could
think of is Knight captures bishop.  And the Major is a
sort of bishop type of guy.  At least he seems to be the
most religious -- principled, moral, philosopical, stuffy,
wordy, obtuse, unexcitable.  In fact, I've been wondering
since they have all this small town stuff (sheriff, mayor,
newspaper editor, football quarterback, bully) why dont
they have a town preacher?  But I dont care enough to want
an answer.

That lump of metal looks like that typical Star Trek lump of
metal.  If Spock was there he would wave the tricorder over it
and say "Captain, This alloy is not known anywhere in our
part of the Galaxy".  ... or "Captain, Our phasers could not
penetrate this substance under maximum power".  My pet theory
is that it is a monolith that will send a narrow frequency
powerful signal to one of the moons of Jupiter ... or
maybe... Saturn.

We all know that eventually Leo will be the undoing of WE.
It happens in all them Leostein genre movies.  Almost happened
this episode.  I felt like calling up Leo in that little shack
in the woods and tellling him to stop pressing the button.
But, I was watching on tape and he had done it too many hours before
for me to help him.   Hey, wasnt Frankenstein written by... Shelley?

Looks like Coop is getting his judgement clouded by love again.
I kinda hope that he and annie make it to the White Lodge.
Annie is a pure person (no expectations about life, ex-nun, ect..)
and we know what a deserving guy Coop is.

I would like to put the location of the White Lodge somewhere 
near that waterfall ... right under wayne mansion, um er, 
the Great Northern...

Whatever happened to little Richie (Richard), TOAM, Big Ed, Dr. Jacoby,
hank, all the people who got arrested, all the people in the hospital,
Jerry Horne, and where is Diane?  Why will she show up?  Where has
she been all my life?  I bet she is married to Mr. Phelps from
Mission Impossible and they send each other love tapes that self
destruct in 5 seconds.

4

3

2

1
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In article <211@3cpu.UUCP> edrury@.UUCP (Ed Drury) writes:
> >In article <6BBE98F2C0C0264B@UMAECS> GIOVIN%HECTOR@ecs.umass.edu (Rocky Giovinazzo) writes:
>>> >>>From: jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer)
>>> >>>Subject: Next week's drawing/map/whatever [was: Transcript of ending for Californians.]
>>>> >>>>In article <19FC44D160C02014@UMAECS> GIOVIN%PRIAM@ecs.umass.edu (Rocky Giovinazzo) writes:
>>>> >>>>
> > I don't know about "America's Stonehenge" in Salem Mass (or Salem Oregon 
> >for that matter) but I grew up on a farm in Oregon which was directly accross
> >the Columbia River from a place called "Mary Hill" Washington were there is
> >an exact (?) replica of Stonehenge built by a fellow named Sam Hill for his
> >wife... 
> >
> >  Stonehenge (Maryhill) is about 87-90 miles east of Vancover Washington,
> >I'd say it's closer to "Twin Peaks " than Seatle Washington, actually I'd
> >say that if I were to guess where Twin Peaks was, I put it half way between
> >Stonehenge and Seattle as the owl flies.....
> > 
 
Mary Hill
    was such a thrill after dark....

In article <B0XP13w164w@halcyon.uucp> halcyon!hikaru@seattleu.edu (Demosthenes) writes:
> >As I've said before, I think
> >that the Black Lodge is the spiritual world counterpart to the Woods. 
> >Evidence: Leland (BOB) liked the woods in the Diary. BOB always molested 
> >Laura in the woods. Owls are quite common in the woods. The military is 
> >monitoring the woods. Truman's reference to an evil in the woods... 
 
Yah, but on the other hand, Bob/Lelland molested Laura in her own bed
most often. She was sometimes safe in the woods from Bob, although not
always.  Most significant for me is the youngest Hayward daughter's vision
of Laura as a shining, serene being in the woods.

In article <1991Apr20.180052.25162@engin.umich.edu>, lik@caen.engin.umich.edu (Leonard Ira Kamlet) writes:
> > In article <18470@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> jsnell@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Jason Snell) writes:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>People have asked about the fact that various people (pete, lady at RR,
>> >>coop...) suddenly found their hand shaking in the 4/18 episode.
>> >>
>> >>Well, well, well. It was their RIGHT hand. Now picture the last scene:
>> >>BOB, with his RIGHT hand floating in the air. Same hand, folks. Connection.
> > 
> > 
> >  Nobody's mentioned it, but which arm in the OAM missing?  We saw Bob come
> > through first just a right arm, then the rest of the body.  Could the
> > arm have been the OAM's arm?    Just a thought.   Also, the OAM was 
> > shaking a lot throughout his appearances on TP.
> > 
> >                 Len Kamlet

It was his left arm.  

--Cool Bean
-- **This is not cultural.

In article <8535@idunno.Princeton.EDU> jacobw@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jacob S Weinstein) writes:
> >
> >Now, I'm as big a fan of alt.tv.tp as the next guy,... but if you think
> >back to the first season, and the beginning of this one, you'll realize that nobody had a snowball's chance in hell of figuring out WKLP. Really. The only clue I can think of that we were given is that the only time BOB appeared outside of
> >just a tad pissed, precisely because it seemed so random; he could just
> >as well have possessed any of the characters. 
 

Actually, when I saw Lelland going up and down on Laura's coffin
I thought to myself: "Lelland has been molesting his daughter."  
Lelland was always my top suspect.
Lelland killed Laura. Bob is just a symbol for the kind of inner-psychic
energy that impels a man like Lelland to attack his daughter.
 
Personally I am obsessed with things like incest, evil and the spiritual world
so it is easy for me to understand what the writers are doing. You can't
figure it out from an external perspective. You have to understand it from
the inside, by sharing a similar world view with the writers.

I would like to get ALL teh twin peaks episodes on tape.  Is there
anyone in the NJ/NY area that would be willing to send me like 1 or 2
tapes at a time, and I will copy them and send them back?  I want to 
get some of my friends into the show.  Its a great show, but is much better
when you watch it in a group and can talk about it after its over.

-Frank Rachel

In article <01G4XW0YECQI8WW2HF@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU> UN040377@WVNVAXA.WVNET.EDU writes:
> >
> >But, seriously, what could they do next season that would match the upcoming
> >fateful battle between opposing forces in the world?  That's pretty heavy.
> >

I agree, but I do want to see all lose ends tied and find out what happens
to everyone.  I can't imagine how all that could be achieved in the final
two hours.  I expect to be left wanting more.
 
a.h.

hey-- this is my first time here... i was just wondering, did anyone
notice that Windom Earle can be rearranged to spell REMIND OWL (with
an 'a' missing). Any other ideas?

Interesting that WE uses the horse motif to kidnap Briggs. 
If Coop and WE are knights of the White and Black respectively, then 
Coop's symbol (or a symbolic representation of Coop) would be a 
white horse. Don't I recall an unexplained white horse vision?

Throwing some more ideas into the stew:
 
Hand shaking - like Harold Smith when he went outside in the sun
             - like Cooper when the sun light touched his hand
 
Is it the beginning of a group hysteria?  In medieval times whole
villages would go mad together, showing the same symptoms.
Is there a chemical in the water supply?  Or is it just Bob trying
to get enough human energy into himself to manifest physically?   
Or both.
 
The black and white circle in the clearing - looks to me like
a burnt out fire, blackened area, white ash, puddle or spring in the
middle, fire turned to water now.
 
This is a faerie tale element, a pool in which events from
other parts of the world are reflected, a magic mirror.
The curtain is the delineation between spirit and flesh worlds.
When the curtain parts, Bob can see events in the real/flesh world.
Soon he will be a part of that world.
 
The pool is black, white and red - colours of the godess if I remember right 
 
Blue and silver are the colours of the Miss Twin Peaks contest - ethereal,
heavenly colours.  It is like a portal with two dogs guarding it - like
egyptian symbols, I forget what they mean - very other worldly.
 
Casablanca symbolism - idealist leaves love behind - flys off on plane
but this time idealism and sex are not mutually exclusive.
 
Cooper is ignoring omens that even the most earthbound mind can see have
"evil portend" written on them in big letters.
 
Instant Karma - Leo is learning that if you hurt others you only hurt yourself 
 
The drawing on the lower left of the owl cave map appears to be an egyptian
scarab beetle.  The markings on the big figure in the drawing
look a bit like egyptian pharoah fashions. 
 
Windom is a new man, confident, gleeful and energetic, not at all the hesitant,
rather pompous and earnest character on the videotape.
 
Goodness is finding an uneasy perch in Ben's soul. He is the mirror image
of all those people evil Bob to tried to possess. Goodness is an alien
thing that Ben is welcoming into his heart. Perhaps the consequence of
changing horses in mid stream will be as disastrous to Ben as welcoming 
evil is to naturally good people.
 
lipstick - all that goo on Annie's mouth reminds me of the onguent that Jones
smeared on Truman's lips (to make herself desirable?) as a form of magic
to cast a love spell.  This image is predisposing me to suspect Annie of
being an agent of the black lodge. She looks like an angel
but she's a devil in disguise!  
But maybe that's just me.  I prefer the openly hostile characters, the surly
ones because I never suspect them of being worse than they seem.
 
New Saturn/Jupiter theory:
 
Saturn is a symbol of contraction, Jupiter of expansion
Yin and Yang mean the same thing - expansion and contraction
When yin and yang come together "the book of love will open up and
let them in"
 

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In article <jms.4191@vanth.UUCP> jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
> >I don't know if we're meant to make anything of it, but I noticed that we
> >had a John Wheeler on the show, and another John Wheeler was a physicist
> >who temporarily championed the idea that when a quantum-level event takes
> >place, *all* of the possible outcomes happen in different universes rather
> >than one being "selected" at random.  (He later rejected the theory as
> >"carrying too great a load of metaphysical baggage.")
> >
> >Then on the 4/18 episode, we have a quote from Heisenburg to the effect
> >that what we see isn't the universe, but the universe according to the way
> >we look at it.  Very interesting...
> >
> >--
> >*  From the disk of:  | jms@vanth.uucp               | "You know I never knew
> >Jim Shaffer, Jr.      | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | that it could be so

He also is associated with the 'worm hole' theory. As I understand it, that
allows for 'short cut' connections (worm holes) between separated parts of
space/time.

-Rich Haller

In <1991Apr20.011735.13201@athena.mit.edu> starpath@catwoman.MIT.EDU (David E. Hollingsworth) writes:
> >In article <10865@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, russelrd@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (MattBrockman) writes:
> >|> In article <41597@netnews.upenn.edu> shiau@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Mr. Liquid Cheeze) writes:
> >|> >In article <1991Apr19.095341.12408@pbs.org> mpax@pbs.org (Cool Bean) writes:
> >|> 
> >|> >>And when they showed that taped of WE at Project Blue Book, he was talking
> >|> >>about the evil souls and that they are called ______????  What did he say
> >|> >>they were called?  I can't make that out.
> >|> >
> >|> >They were called the Black Lodge.
> >|> 
> >|> No, they were also called something like Duglin or Dugwus....
> >Black Lodge?  Dugwus?   Don't tell me that it's Bookwus?!  That'd be
> >just _too_ wild...

I believe it was the Dugpus, though I have no idea how to spell it.

sj

ronnie@sos.com (Ron Schnell) writes:

> >
> > Figures...I was selected to be an arbitron rating household for
> > the week of May 8th.  I'll probably count for 100,000 people.  Of
> > course arbitron is second to Nielson, but it definitely counts.
> >
> > Talk about tragic irony.
> >
> > #Ron
> >
> > P.S.  Please don't mail me trying to solicit viewership for another
> >       show unless you are prepared to compensate! :-)

Ron...

And we're a Nielsen family next week, dammit.

Timing, timing, timing.

Barry Campbell
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jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
> >astronut@athena.mit.edu (Robert M Sanner) writes:

>> >>I'm a bit behind in the postings, so forgive me if this has already
>> >>been pointed out, but why couldn't this "paw print" be (yet another) symbol
>> >>for Jupiter?  The planet itself, with its four Galilean satellites (Io,
>> >>Europa, Ganymede, and Callisto) would be all ancient star gazers would be
>> >>able to discern...

> >It would only be Jupiter if seen from over one of its own poles.  Jupiter,
> >like everything else except Uranus, has its axis more-or-less perpendicular
> >to the ecliptic plane, so from Earth or anywhere else in the plane, it
> >looks like this:

> >. . *  .   .
> >Where the "."s are the Galilean satellites and "*" is Jupiter.

Yes, but only if they had a telescope at their disposal.  
While the Galilean satellites are bright enough to be seen with the naked eye,
they are too close to Jupiter to be discerned (there are historical accounts
of people having been able to see CAllisto however).  

Actually I should say optical aid instead of telescope to cover
any sort of things that would work.

Additionally, Pluto is also tilted to 118 degrees and Venus to 178.
(i.e. Venus is nearly perpendicular but North is "down").  Jupiter is
by far the most perpendicular (with North "up").  [North is defined as
the pole showing counter clockwise rotation]

BBC

In article <jms.4187@vanth.UUCP> jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
> >In article <1991Apr20.092814.21602@athena.mit.edu> astronut@athena.mit.edu (Robert M Sanner) writes:
>> >>
>> >>I'm a bit behind in the postings, so forgive me if this has already
>> >>been pointed out, but why couldn't this "paw print" be (yet another) symbol
>> >>for Jupiter?  The planet itself, with its four Galilean satellites (Io,
>> >>Europa, Ganymede, and Callisto) would be all ancient star gazers would be
>> >>able to discern...
> >
> >It would only be Jupiter if seen from over one of its own poles.  Jupiter,
> >like everything else except Uranus, has its axis more-or-less perpendicular
> >to the ecliptic plane, so from Earth or anywhere else in the plane, it
> >looks like this:
> >
> >. . *  .   .
> >
> >Where the "."s are the Galilean satellites and "*" is Jupiter.
> >
> >--
> >*  From the disk of:  | jms@vanth.uucp     | "You know I never knew
> >Jim Shaffer, Jr.      | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | that it could be so

Well...let's give the artisan responsible for this artifact a 
little artistic license, shall we...?  ;-)

rob

OK, I have reversed the convention of white=good and black=evil, since
Windom is playing white.  I have also stuck to the convention of female
players for queens (against my better judgment, in the case of white),
and kept to buildings for rooks.  Bishops have quasi-mystical connotations.
(Magician types)  Knights are solid workhorse types.  Pawns are nameless, and
all the same (on a side).

White King - Windom Earle (playing his flute)
White Queen- Catherine (weakest choice here, but there are no really
  *evil* women in TP, in the Windom/BOB sense.  Could replace
  with BOB, I suppose, except for the gender convention
White Bishops - Leland (w golf club!)
- BOB (grinning maniacally, wringing hands)
White Knights- Leo Johnson (bathrobe, collar, and drool)
- Benjamin Horne (carrot in one hand, cigar in his mouth)
White Rooks- Great Northern (w metal waterfall spilling over the top
  onto base of piece)
- Train Car (where LP and Ronette were found)
White Pawns- Owls (but of course!, mounted on tree braches)

Black King- Cooper (in his FBI suit, tape recorder to face)
Black Queen- Laura Palmer (Sorry, Annie, but Laura *clearly* has
  precedence.  "Homecoming queen" look, with prom dress
Black Bishops- Giant (hands folded in front of him)
- Major Briggs (on woodland throne!, or at attention)
Black Knights- Truman (hat, gun, one hand on hip puzzled look)
- Albert (stethoscope, lab coat, irritated expression)
or Denise! (smiling, head cocked to one side)
Black Rooks- the Gazebo (idyllic, plus it would look good on a rook)
- the RR Diner (just the sign)
Black Pawns- as designed by Windom Earle--rocker w head lolling out of
  a pawn.  Alternative: dancing dwarfs.


The board is, naturlich, wood.  Either dark and light wood, or light wood
alternating with "red curtain" colored squares.  In either case, the cave
petroglyph should be etched into it.

These are tough choices.  I am emphasizing the current plot, hence haven't
included any of the One-Eyed Jacks crowd (Blackie, Renault Bros., Mountie,
etc.)  And it was tough selecting among the lawmen (and I couldn't decide
between Albert and Denise--Albert for the show, but I think Denise would
make a better looking piece (no pun intended)).  Andy and Hawk are also 
worthy candidates.

Gee, this was fun!

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In article <1991Apr19.204406.1711@ecst.csuchico.edu>, rosimcg@OAVAX.CSUCHICO.EDU
(Rosi McGillivray) says:

[Good stuff deleted]

> >............ About the shaking hands...didn't Mike say say
> >something earlier about having to cut off his arm to be free of the
> >evil (BOB-type)? If so, and this goes along with what several of you were
> >saying, does the fact that all these people having shaking right hands
> >portend >some< sort of possible possession?

If you remember, Mike cut off his LEFT arm, and it is everyone's right hand
that is shaking.  If the black lodge is represented by the left arm, then
perhaps the right arm represents the white lodge.  The shaking of Mrs. Tremond
Pete & Cooper may be an attempt by the white lodge to gather together its
forces and warn them of the approaching danger from the opening of the
door.  I think Bob's emerging with his right arm is coincidental (I may regret
saying this-TP is not a coincidental universe :-)

> >
> >Peace,
> >Rosi
> >
> >ROSIMCG@AVAX,CSUCHICO.EDU


--Kit A.

In article <1991Apr22.160647.7329@watserv1.waterloo.edu>, alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> > I do want to see all lose ends tied and find out what happens
> > to everyone.  I can't imagine how all that could be achieved in the final
> > two hours.  I expect to be left wanting more.

  One person's loose end is anothers obvious link.  One of the best
  things about TP is that it doesn't feel the need the explain
  absolutely everything to the audience.  I think this may be why TP
  came to be considered an intellectual show -- the audience was
  invited to think out the connections for themselves, to take
  part in solving the crime.  An example of this is the question:
  "Who attacked Jacoby at the gazebo?"  It was never explained in
  the show (although it is in the TP book) but I think most people
  were able to guess that it was Leland after he was exposed and
  the link to burning was discovered, also by the viewer only.
  This may lead to disagreement, but it also leads to discussion.
  How many people stand around the water cooler arguing over what
  last nights episode of "Cheers" means?
  Some people claim that other loose ends include the bouncing balls,
  Hank's domino, and even the breakdancing kid in the pilot.  To me,
  these are interesting extras that need no explanation, or rather I
  leave it to each person to find their own.  They play no part in
  the plot at hand.  Treat them as you would the color of Cooper's
  tie.  Perhaps there is a symbol there, or perhaps he just likes
  that color.

> > a.h.
-- Peter. wilson@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu ********************************************************************* * "A person is a person | "The life I lead would even * * no matter how small." | make a dead man yawn" * * - Horton | - Klaatu * *********************************************************************

In article <51707@apple.Apple.COM> you write:

> >Unfortunately, I fear that Dale is going to fail to interpret or heed the
> >Giant's warning (though this bothers me, as I think we all understood it all
> >too well).  Or it may simply be that Annie, who has a strong will of her own,
> >will refuse to be swayed by any arguments that Dale is able to present to
> >her - it is a bit of a tale to swallow, after all, that the Giant that (pretty
> >much) only Dale can see, who warned him of other murders, is now telling him
> >that Annie shouldn't try out for Miss Twin Peaks!

As soon as I saw the mayor standing in front of the mike, I knew that
Coop was going to have another vision; the framing of the shot was very
tell-tale.

It *shouldn't* bother you that Dale might fail to heed the Giant's
warning.  The Giant's warning is extremely obvious to us, since we've
been given *far* more information than Coop -- *we* know all too well
exactly what "queen" means in this context; Dale doesn't.  From Coop's
point of view, the vision happened outside of any particular context
other than small talk with Annie.  He's so enraptured by the moment that
he doesn't see the significance of events that we the omniscient
audience do.

--woodstock
-- "What I like is when you're looking and thinking and looking and thinking...and suddenly you wake up." - Hobbes woodstck@hal.com or (408) 379-7000 x1112

In article <1991Apr20.092814.21602@athena.mit.edu>, astronut@athena.mit.edu (Robert M Sanner) writes:

|> I'm a bit behind in the postings, so forgive me if this has already 
|> been pointed out, but why couldn't this "paw print" be (yet another) symbol
|> for Jupiter?  The planet itself, with its four Galilean satellites (Io,
|> Europa, Ganymede, and Callisto) would be all ancient star gazers would be
|> able to discern...
|> 
|> rob
     Probably, at least as good as anything else I've heard. If it is indeed
a paw print, that indicates to me "Ursa Major" (The Great Bear).  I would
think that Jupiter gets the old '2-4' treatment that it does on the map.

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In article <63820@bbn.BBN.COM> ingria@BBN.COM writes:
...
> >(2) When Ben and Catherine start talking, she refers to him as ``John
> >Muir (name probably distorted), friend of the wilderness'' or some
> >such (sorry, my tape's out on loan, so I can't give an exact quote).
> >Who was Catherine referring to?
...

You ARE kidding, aren't you?
-- Roger Fulton roger@wrq.com

Here's the things that I'd like to see in the finale. I'm assuming that
June 10 will the last episode of Twin Peaks we will ever see. (Boo! Hiss!)

 1. Albert and Gordon Cole returns to help Cooper in investigation for Windom
 Earle.
 2. The return of Jerry Horne.
 3. An appearance by Laura's mom, Sarah Palmer. What has she been up to?
 4. Some involvement with Mike and the OAM. The OAM was dropped at the
end of WKLP. We never found out if he lived or died.
 5. Some type of reconciliation between Major Briggs and Bobby, perhaps
 with Bobby making the first move.
 6. One last episode of "Invitation to Love".
 7. What is that silver box that Eckhardt gave to Catherine anyway?
 8. Who were the Tremonds and what was their relation with Harold?
 9. Don't kill of Major Briggs. I have a feeling that he will either die
or not return to our plan of existence in the end. (Re: his dream.)
10. Don't show us what Diane looks like. Earlier in the year, we were told
that we would see Diane, and we even have the name of the actress who
will play her. I'd rather leave a little mystery in Twin Peaks. Showing
us Diane could not advance the plot at all.

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In article <1991Apr21.185543.9206@umiami.ir.miami.edu> rdees@umiami.ir.miami.edu (Matthion) writes:
> >Yo Peakers,
> >  A couple of words on the Jupiter/Saturn conjunction from Simon,
> >your friendly, neighborhood astrologer.  In our world, the last
> >conjunctions between them occured in late 1980 through mid 1981.
> >(There were actually three exact conjunctions then due to the 
> >retrograde motion of both planets.)  The next will not occur until
> >the end of May 2000.  This does not correspond with any TP time
> >frame, but who ever said it should?  

If this is true, and it takes ~20 years between conjunctions, then
in 1991, are they in perfect opposition??? (if this is the right word for it)

rob

In article <1991Apr19.064002.24069@nntp-server.caltech.edu> tlynch@nntp-server.caltech.edu (Timothy W. Lynch) writes:
> >bud@ms.uky.edu (William K Glunt) writes:
>> >> And what's with the shakes???
> >
> >I don't know--but did you notice that we _also_ heard the "shakes" music when
> >Ben was startled by whatever startled him?

Well:

item 1) everyone who gets the shakes gets it in their right hand

item 2) before BOB appears at the end, his right hand is poking
through the door

I think the two items are related.

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!{hpda,versatc,apollo,ucbcad,uunet}!cadence!phz)

In article <63820@bbn.BBN.COM> ingria@BBN.COM writes:
> >
> >(2) When Ben and Catherine start talking, she refers to him as ``John
  ^^^^
> >Muir (name probably distorted), friend of the wilderness'' or some
 ^^^
> >such (sorry, my tape's out on loan, so I can't give an exact quote).
> >Who was Catherine referring to?

Actually, the name is not distorted at all.  (I wouldn't have guessed 
a name like "Muir" if I didn't know about the guy :-)
John Muir is/was the founder of the Sierra Club, often sited as this 
country's original environmentalist, and originally from Wisconsin.
(I'm PRETTY sure - please correct me if needs be :-)




-- A. Buschhaus | Audrey, there are many cures for a broken heart, (414)229-6229 | but nothing quite like a trout's leap in the moonlight. | Pete Martel - Twin Peaks

I ust noticced that everyone is now referring to the "evil spirits" 
(that WE mentioned) as "dugpas"....

I you say THAT backwards, it's "sapgud", or rather...

..."Sap the good" and bring forth the EVIL...

Just a bizarre thought

-- Ed

   In article <2811DE4A.23072@ics.uci.edu> bvickers@bonnie.ics.uci.edu 
(Brett J. Vickers) writes...

> >In fact, it's becoming apparent that ABC doesn't give a shit about the show.

   Yes, you're probably right.  If you want an example of a network going
to extreme lengths to try and salvage a show (of considerably lesser quality,
IMHO) look at CBS and the show _The_Flash_.  For that show the schedule
changes made sense, and you could tell that CBS really cared about it.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Matt BrinkmanInternet: BRINKMAN@EDSEQ1.LLNL.GOV

Disclaimer: My opinions.

   In the last episode, WE uses a computer to overlay the petraglyphs (sp?)
over a map of TP. Was the fire over the mill? The map looks like series of
events that must occur before access to the BL/WL. This would make access
a puzzle (similar to the box).

          Charlie Brett - HP Ft. Collins

In article <6002@vela.acs.oakland.edu> rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:
> >It's a puzzle box.  Catherine gets a black puzzle box.  It gets opened
> >to reveal another puzzle box.  *It* gets opened to reveal. . .
> >probably another puzzle box.  (Why did Andrew smash the second box?)

Because they wrote six nested boxes into the original script and they're
getting tired of opening each one.  Besides which Catherine is sick of
doing nothing in each episode but box-grabbing.  If they never show
Catherine or Andrew again on TP I won't be sorry.

> >    Rod Johnson  *  rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu  *  (313) 650 2315 
--
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In article <C20CE7CC40207774@WVNVMS.WVNET.EDU> UN040377@WVNVAXA.WVNET.EDU writes:
> >* About the drug that Earle gave to Major Briggs: does a
> >drug actually exist that makes one tell the truth?  Could be
> >a possible connection with Haliperidol.

Amazingly enough, immediately after one of the Twin Peaks shows I happened to
turn to another channel which was airing a show in which a psychiatrist was
talking about the use of Haliperidol to treat schizophrenia.  But I doubt that
Haliperidol could be used as a "truth serum".

In fact, there is no such thing as a "truth serum" per se, but many drugs
put people into a state where their inhibitions are lowered and they may
answer questions which they normally wouldn't.  With very strong-willed
people, however, the dose required to elicit cooperation is usually very
close to the dose which makes the person completely incomprehensible.

(And to answer someone else's question: Yes, it sounded like he was talking
backwards to me, also.)

> >* In the very chaotic Earle/Briggs/computer scene, Earle
> >said: "Dale wasn't far away; the cave painting is an
> >invitation of sorts, telling us when the _______ begin." 
> >What's the missing word?  It sounded like "rebels" but that

I think it was "revels" or "revelry" (approximately same meaning as
"festivities", but with a slightly baser connotation).

-Pete Zakel
 (phz@cadence.com or ..!{hpda,versatc,apollo,ucbcad,uunet}!cadence!phz)

Rod Johnson says some drivel about JC bilking TP viewers out of $10.

Well, Rod, I know JC personally, and he is just about the single most
important factor in getting TP back on air from hiatus, and even now, we
are working for new and innovative ideas. Besides, if everyone had
bought their damn T-sirts, we wouldn't have to be asking for money, ya
know?

Guys, this IS legitimate. Please do your part. I will personally vouch for JC.

Mike

OK. Pearl Lakes...plural. Probably two lakes. There are white pearls and
black pearls. Many ancient islanders considered the black pearl to be a
source of great, almost unlimited power, but for the price of their soul.

Mike

In article <1991Apr17.141537.8202@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> > 
> >The show has a kindly, gentle tone that is unique on tv.
> > 
Ah!  At last! Kinder, gentler TV!

Laura Palmer the posthumous winner,  eh?  Long as we're dealing with dead 
people,  how about Josie?
 
Actually,  wouldn't the Lynchian twist of mind come up with something more
on the order of  ...   Denise?  The Log Lady?
 
Rich Travsky  rtravsky@corral.uwyo.edu
 
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In article <1991Apr22.172027.10333@odin.corp.sgi.com>, sjohnson@texas.vlsi.sgi.com (Scott Johnson) writes:
> > In <1991Apr20.011735.13201@athena.mit.edu> starpath@catwoman.MIT.EDU (David E. Hollingsworth) writes:
>> >>In article <10865@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, russelrd@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (MattBrockman) writes:
>> >>|> In article <41597@netnews.upenn.edu> shiau@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Mr. Liquid Cheeze) writes:
>> >>|> >In article <1991Apr19.095341.12408@pbs.org> mpax@pbs.org (Cool Bean) writes:
>> >>|> 
>> >>|> >>And when they showed that taped of WE at Project Blue Book, he was talking
>> >>|> >>about the evil souls and that they are called ______????  What did he say
>> >>|> >>they were called?  I can't make that out.
>> >>|> >
>> >>|> >They were called the Black Lodge.
>> >>|> 
>> >>|> No, they were also called something like Duglin or Dugwus....
>> >>Black Lodge?  Dugwus?   Don't tell me that it's Bookwus?!  That'd be
>> >>just _too_ wild...
> > 
> > I believe it was the Dugpus, though I have no idea how to spell it.

I played this over more than once and still can't figure it out.  I thought
it might be Doken.  Is it a word?  I couldn't find it in the dictionary.

--Cool Bean
-- **This is not cultural.