Season 2, Episode 20: The Path to the Black Lodge — April 18–June 09, 1991

> >In article <1343@psych.stanford.edu> slab@psych.Stanford.EDU (Stephen LaBerge) writes:
> >I don't think anyone has previously identified the source of 
> >Wily Wyndom's incantation. It's from one of W. B. Yeats's most 
> >recondite collections of poems, the "Supernatural Songs."
> >The complete quote is as follows:
> >
> >   Conjunctions
> >
> >   If Jupiter and Saturn meet,
> >   What a crop of mummy wheat!
> >
> >   The sword's a cross; thereon He died:
> >   On breast of Mars the Goddess sighed.
> >


While not denying the validity of additional interpretations, I thought it
would be useful to add this grist to the mill: :^)

Okay guys.  Everyone remember the Morse code behind Lucy's voice during the
closing credits of the 4/18 episode?  Good.  Could you decipher them?  Me
neither.  Thus I had a friend of mine who is a ham radio operator take a
listen.  His conclusion: the Morse technique stinks.  He said it was very
difficult to distinguish the dots from the dashes, and to determine the gaps
between letters.  Super.  I managed to convince him that the first three
letters are E,N, and D, but I couldn't figure out the rest.  The best he came
up with is:

E N D S I E O S S E U L E I.

Not particularly enlightening, is it?

Has anybody out there figured out more of the code?

|-Ian Novack (Stupendous Man, Clown on fire)-----------ian@lerch.jpl.nasa.gov-|
| "I'm in my underwear and I want to talk about DEATH!"    Jet Propulsion Lab |
|  -- some comedian on KLOS's 5 O'clock Funnies            Pasadena, CA       |
|-Disclaimer: They might be fake, they might be lies. -- They Might Be Giants-|

In article <74230@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU>, riacmt@ubvmsa.cc.buffalo.edu (Carol Miller-Tutzauer) writes:
> > In article <1991May1.184938.12596@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, keb3@po.CWRU.Edu (Keith E. Bitely) writes...
>> >> 
>> >>In a previous article, alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) says:
>>> >>>In article <12818@aggie.ucdavis.edu> ez002797@pollux.ucdavis.edu () writes:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Just adds fuel to my growing conviction that Twin Peaks reality
>>> >>>must be either a dream or an alternative reality
>>> >>>of some other sort - that what is happening is not going to turn out to
>>> >>>be reality as we know it.
>> >> 
>> >>Awww...but, that would spoil all the fun.  My life has gotten pretty 
>> >>surrealistic lately, and I would hate to have it all be a dream.  
> > 
> > Actually....think about it.  This could be a GREAT ending.  The
> > whole thing hasn't been a DREAM but a VISION.  It's Cooper, 
> > back in Pittsburgh.  It's happening again...he's having one of
> > his visions.  Great setup for Twin Peaks -- The Movie.  It's
> > also a great pun on Dallas which also has ended for good this
> > season.
> > 
> > What do you peakers think?
> > 
> > Carol

Hate it.  To think we spent a year theorizing and analyzing nothing more
than a vision, would be a HUGE let down.  It would lose its mesmerizing
effect and that feeling of dread and evil we all love so much.

How could you then go see a movie, knowing the whole time its just another
vision?  It would take all of the fun out of it and the mystery, which I
find central to my addiction.

--Cool Bean
-- **This is not cultural.

In article <91121.204546KRK4@psuvm.psu.edu>, KRK4@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> > 
> >   1.  Twin Peaks        Killed Laura Palmer, Madeline Furgeson, Theresa Banks,
> >                         Jacques Renault, and probably others I can't recall
> >   2.  Robocop           Killed Robocop (or, rather, the guy who becomes him)
> >   3.  Moonlighting      Kills a cop, tries to kill Maddie
> >   4.  Star Trek, TNG    Shoots Picard with a crossbow bolt
> > 
* Also in Star Trek, TNG, they are searching for
  a Dr. Lauren Palmer, who dies.  His name was
  something like Leco, and he was partly 
  responsible for her death.  Kinda interesting,
     eh?

--Cool Bean
-- **This is not cultural.

Date:  2 MAY 91 11:36:19    
Organization:  Swarthmore College


Ok peakers, get ready.  Remember Fiona's post that this
coming Sunday, (May 5) there's gonna be a New York
Times piece in the Arts and Leisure on the Twin Peak's
news group - that's us folks.   Could some soul with a
scanner please copy and distribute said article to those
netlanders who dont get the NYT.  

I have an idea btw about the significance of the net for
network tv.  Soon, maybe not soon enough, they will be
driven by a logic somewhat like that of major motion
picture distributors.  Today, a big movie works if it has
tie-ins to toys, clothes, etc.  In the future, a big
tv show works if it becomes a `virtual reality' for its
viewers.  A movie can only live with its viewers while it
is in release.  A tv show and its viewers can connect in
a more dynamic way.  Already, World Wrestling Federation
demonstrates some of this potential.  It gives its viewers
a cartoon show, toys, and a changing narrative.  Similarly,
Dynasty, Dallas give their viewers a `virtual reality;'
but, (and this is a big one) they have not found a way to
merchanise much stuff to adults the way Star Trek and
more youth-oriented shows market their stuff.  Twin Peaks
shows a way to do that for adults - records, even musical
careers, books, a computer group, audio cassettes, video
tapes, plus adult toys.  

Also, a new movie coming out with Bill Murray and Richard
Dreyfus called `something, something, BOB."

In article <MUFFY.91May1215736@remarque.berkeley.edu> muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) writes:
> >In article <52299@apple.Apple.COM> larryy@Apple.COM (Larry Yaeger) writes:
> >
> >   "The sword's a cross; thereon He died:
> >    On breast of Mars the Goddess sighed."
> >
> >I believe there was one myth, the details of which I forget, in which
> >Venus, who was married to Vulcan, was having an affair with Mars.  All I
> >remember is something about how Vulcan thought of some trick for
> >catching them.
> >                                                  Muffy
 
I flashed on that myth, too.

Modern astrologers (perhaps not as deep as Yates) see the conjunction of
Mars and Venus as simply a symbol of sexual intercourse.
But this is disturbing and worrisome because Mars is also a symbol of
war. The myth implies that masculinity and warlike behaviour are
synonymous and that Venus is in collusion with Mars  to promote war.
I worry about the strength of this myth when I see picture of Marilyn
Monroe entertaining the troops in WW2.   
The belief that women love a man in uniform is deep and pernicious.
 
Anyway, the story is that Venus was married to Mercury/Hepheastus, the
lame smith.  However, she was carrying on with Mars behind his back.
So to catch and humiliate her, Hephaestus, who was very crafty with his
hands, fashioned a net to fall upon Mars and Venus when they were in bed
together.  The trick worked and the adulterous god and goddess were
were bare-assed front of all the other Olympians. Mars was enraged
and Venus just went home to sulk and console herself with a lot of new clothes 
and make up.
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Ann Hodgins                     E Uassiuian is the will to continue
alternat@watdcs.uwaterloo.ca    To laugh, to have fun and to be amazed.

In article <1991May2.141558.23912@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> ian@lerch.jpl.nasa.gov (Particle Man) writes:
<Okay guys.  Everyone remember the Morse code behind Lucy's voice during the
<closing credits of the 4/18 episode?  Good.  Could you decipher them?  Me
<neither.  Thus I had a friend of mine who is a ham radio operator take a
<listen.  His conclusion: the Morse technique stinks.  He said it was very
<difficult to distinguish the dots from the dashes, and to determine the gaps
<between letters.  Super.  I managed to convince him that the first three
<letters are E,N, and D, but I couldn't figure out the rest.  The best he came
<up with is:
<
<E N D S I E O S S E U L E I.
<
<Not particularly enlightening, is it?
<
<Has anybody out there figured out more of the code?
<

It's not a code.  There is no message.  It's just a "news flash" sound effect.
Good thought, though.

Anyone working on the "garbage" surrounding "THE/OWLS/ARE/NOT/WHAT/THEY/SEEM"?
:^)

-- =Malcolm Austin================================================================ maus@fid.morgan.com | I have discovered a remarkable quotation for this #include <disclaimer.h>| .sig, but this space is too small to contain it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hello, all, and I sure have appreciated the ongoing elaboration
of Unified Theories (TP-GUT's? (-:), even if I've been laid low
of late with one of the strangest ailments ever seen outside of
a David Lynch movie.  Seriously, y'all, it's been painfully weird
here in Oceanstar-land, since about April 18th or so (the next-to-
last show? oh no! is there a linkage?), and is just now beginning
to resemble normality.  I've seen more doctors and had more 
hi-falutin' tests that I ever thought possible in a mere two-
week period of time.  But... I'm back.  Back to remind you that
Sunday May 5th is the date on which alt.tv.twin-peaks is *supposed*
to get covered in the Arts & Leisure section of the _New_York_Times_.
Check it out.  Buy five copies for your mother.  Send me an incensed
note to the effect that it didn't happen after all, and where-the-hell
is this rumored _Rolling_Stone_ article ANY-hoo??  I don't mind.  :-)
It all seems marvelous to me, in the way that things can only seem
marvelous after they've just finished being really really B-A-D for
a while.  

--more soon,

Fiona O.

In article <14656@hacgate.UUCP> jaime@tcville.HAC.COM (Jaime Villacorte)  
writes:
> > In article <18822@sdcc6.ucsd.edu> enomura@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (-=+**SLAYER**+=-)  
writes:
>> > >Anyone know when Warner (or whoever it is) is gonna release
>> > >the Euroversion of Twin Peaks onto casette in the States?
>> > >
>> > >ed
> > 
> > I don't know about a videocassette release, but 2 months ago
> > at Ken Crane's (local laser disc store), I did see a Japanese-import
> > Twin Peaks laser disc (selling for ~$50.00). I was told by an employee
> > that it was the 2 hour pilot, containing both the Euro-movie ending
> > and the American tv pilot versions.
> > 
> > I called them today, and unfortunately, this LD is out of stock. Can
> > anyone who picked up the this disc care to comment on it?
> > 
> > 
> > - jaime villacorte

I ordered a copy by mail from Sight & Sound in Waltham, Massachusetts a few
months ago. Last time I checked, they had plenty of copies available.
E-mail me for their address and phone number.

BTW, the clerk was lying to you. It only contains the Euroversion
ending. It also has irritating Japanese subtitles.

--
 David E. Coufal                                   coufal@owl.caltech.edu
           "One time I removed all the hair from a mouse 
            with Nair-Hair just to see what it looked like.
            And it looked beautiful." - David K. Lynch

(Particle Man) writes:
> >Okay guys.  Everyone remember the Morse code behind Lucy's voice
> >during the closing credits of the 4/18 episode?  Good.  Could you
> >decipher them?  Me neither.  Thus I had a friend of mine who is a ham
> >radio operator take a listen.  His conclusion: the Morse technique
> >stinks.  He said it was very difficult to distinguish the dots from
> >the dashes, and to determine the gaps between letters.

That's because the Morse code is being played backwards.  Well, more 
precisely, Major Briggs is tapping out the code in reverse, a word
at a time.  I think it says something about "GUM".

-- Scott Turner

I'm listening to the new Yes album while reading news, and there's a verse
which strikes me as being rather Peaks-ish.  Does anyone see BOB in the
following lines:

     In the street where we live there's a place called desire
     There's a stone-cold intrusion, a madman's fire
     But he leaves when the lust and desire release
     And you're left with an empty room in peace

or am I just going through Peaks withdrawal?

--
*  From the disk of:  | jms@vanth.uucp     | "You know I never knew
Jim Shaffer, Jr.      | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | that it could be so
37 Brook Street       | uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms  | strange..."
Montgomery, PA 17752  | 72750.2335@compuserve.com    |     (R.E.M.)

I may have missed it, but where did Josie make an appearance

in the 4/18 episode (other than in the credits)?


Doug-pas

Forgive me if this has been suggested before, I don't get to read this
group that often.

I think ABC has deliberately planned to kill off Twin Peaks because
Twin Peaks is dangerous to the television industry. A show that makes
people *think* about what they've watching? That is *deadly*. There
are very few shows that can stand up to serious thought.

Since TP started, I've noticed I've become far more analytical about
what I watch. I question things much more, I want to figure out
motiviations. I am also much less easily moved...I've gotten used to
building up to caring about characters over time.

Twin Peaks got me thinking and feeling in ways which other shows just
can't compete with. (Twin Peaks itself can't really compete, since the
creative talents lost interest, but that's another story.) The
television industry cannot afford to do that to it viewers. They need
to keep us unthinking and easily stimulated. The campaign Peakers have
waged may have just made things worse - showing how much the show
means to us just shows how dangerous it is. All these people who have
become resistent to the usual tv crap! It's just too big a threat.
-- c2h5oh@ucscb.ucsc.edu - making the world safe for children's literature "Everybody bet lots of money on the eggplant, thinking that if a vegetable challenges a live animal with four legs to a race, then it must be that the vegetable knows something."

As promised, here's the info on the third known 12" single, featuring
Twin Peaks music/themes.

It's called "Twin Peaks The Ultimate Remix", with two other tag lines on
the cover:  "Original remixes taken from the soundtrack", and "Included the
spoken version by the killer of Laura Palmer" (sic).

The flip side of the cover tells us that it was Arranged by Nicolosi -
Lombardoni, Concepted (sic) by Severo Lombardoni, and Produced by Lombardoni -
Nicolosi.  It is on the "DiscoMagic" label, is copyright 1991, and was made
in Italy.  There are telephone, fax, and telex numbers for DiscoMagic in
Italy; if anyone wants them, email me.

Side 1:
1) Twin Peaks.  6'05"  (D. Linch (sic) - A. Badalamenti)
   Club Mix
2) Twin Peaks.  0'50"  (               "               )
   Acapella

Side 2:
1) Twin Peaks.  4'30"  (               "               )
   The Story
2) Twin Peaks.  2'30"  (               "               )
   Instrumental

As I mentioned previously, the primary voice elements are spoken (by a male
voice), saying, "I know who the marderer (sic) is...", and at a couple of
climactic moments, "The marderer's (sic) name is...", and something to the
effect of, "Laura Palmer kept a secret diary, where she recorded her most
private thoughts.  The initials of the marderer (sic) are on that diary."

It's not *that* great or anything, but it is a hoot.  The record store that
got it in for me (I had them seeking out the Twin Freaks and One Eyed Jacks
singles mentioned on a.t.tp previously) had played it a fair number of times,
and everyone seemed to like it :-}  Oh yeah, for folks in the San Francisco
Bay Area, the store that got this in (and acted like they could get more) is
Underground Records in San Jose (on south 1st St. at San Salvador).

I wish Twin Peaks would happen again...
-- -larryy@apple.com "You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple, and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'." - Edmund Blackadder

My first encounter with TP was the last 15 minutes of this episode.
I tuned in to see what all the fuss was about.  I was rather shocked,
and vowed never to watch the show if it had that kind of violence
in it.  Since then, a friend encouraged me (make that _made me_) sit
down and watch the first episode of the series. The rest, as they say,
is history.  I got hooked, and watched all the rest of the episodes
in 6 days, 4 hours at a time, until I was caught up. Taken in
context, it was a powerful episode, and I understood that the show
had much more to it.  But I still kept my 9 year old out of the room
when it was on.

I wonder if TP didn't lose its mass audience with that episode. Ratings
were great until then. The combination of the resolution of the
WKLP thread (which really hasn't even YET occurred, as we all know)
and the male-against-helpless-female violence may have turned the tide.
What a shame.

BMW     Picard: "Mr. Data - Who killed Laura Palmer?"
        Data:   "Analysis of the blood points to ... Barnabus Collins!"

> >From: rhaller@phloem.uoregon.edu
> >Subject: More Miss TP conjectures
> >This leads me to suspect that she [Lana] is
> >somehow aware of WE's intentions towards Miss TP and intends to thwart him,
> >perhaps using her special power to cloud men's minds, as it were.  Don't forget
Come on... I know that one of the themes of the show is "things
are not what they seem," but could Lana really be hiding such intellectual
capacity?  Remember her lines at the wine tasting party?  "By smellin'"
and "Banana."

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <5796@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu (Robert D. Cappel...you can call me The Bob) writes:


> >Just letting all the Peakers around the world know that the 
> >Dr. Demento Radio Show will play "Give Peaks A Chance" on this weeks 
> >show and next.

> >Please listen and support the show!!!!!  We can still save this thing!
> >Also...listen for how to request the song....we want it played over and
> >over!!!!!!!!!

> >:)

> >The song is performed by DJ Glazed Donut and the Knotted Cherry Stems...that's 
> >our psuedonym...


Here in Santa Barbara, we get the network show a week early.  Dr. D played
the song and even made it his pick of the week.  That means you can hear
it on the Hot Line the week of May 5.  That's 1-900-773-7333, if you
haven't heard it enough to already know.  He states the cost of the call.
Great song, great idea!

Save Twin Peaks!

-Jennifer Mosley
6600faze@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu
6600faze@ucsbuxa.bitnet
ucsbuxa%6600faze@ucsb.edu

In article <47875365400018A4@UMAECS> GIOVIN%HECTOR@ecs.umass.edu (Rocky Giovinazzo) writes:

>> > >From: rhaller@phloem.uoregon.edu
>> > >Subject: More Miss TP conjectures
>> > >This leads me to suspect that she [Lana] is
>> > >somehow aware of WE's intentions towards Miss TP and intends to thwart him,
>> > >perhaps using her special power to cloud men's minds, as it were.  Don't forget
> >   Come on... I know that one of the themes of the show is "things
> >   are not what they seem," but could Lana really be hiding such intellectual
> >   capacity?  Remember her lines at the wine tasting party?  "By smellin'"
> >   and "Banana."

> >   Rocky Giovinazzo

There's a difference between "intellectual capacity" and "special
powers".  In terms of sheer intellectual capacity, WE probably has
everyone in the show beaten.  So his weakness is likely to be
somewhere else, and, if nothing else, Lana knows how to find and play
up to a man's weakness.  I suspect she's very good at figuring out how
to say what a particular man wants to hear and give him the illusion
that he knows more than she does, or alternatively, that she is the
lovely, needy creature that he fantasizes that she is, and that she
will love him forever if he gives her what she says she wants.  I
suspect she's also very good at zooming in on the man she perceives to
be in power in a given situation and focusing all her efforts on him.

In addition to this focused power, she appears to give off a general,
diffuse aura of powerful sexuality that makes its presence felt on all
the men in the area.  It remains to be seen how this would affect WE
should the two come into contact with each other.  He seems like a
particularly cold, hard man, unlikely to be affected by even such a
powerful sexual lure, but you never know.  Lana's marks thus far have
been pretty easy.  I doubt that she's really shown us her full powers
yet.  I've been mulling over that Yeats poem in another thread all
day; it occurs to me that a Lana-Windom Earle conjunction could be the
Mars-Venus meeting alluded to in the poem.

Frankly, I'm not that fond of Lana myself; she seems a little too
obvious to me (unless she's hiding something other than what she seems
to be hiding).  I'm more intrigued by Catherine and Josie as examples
of duplicitous women.

In article <6243@vela.acs.oakland.edu> rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:

   In article <1991May1.181529.25857@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:

>> > >Ben's characer has become very confusing. In one scene we are made to understand
>> > >that Ben's supposed concern with the environment is merely a business
> > ploy.

> > What scene was this?  That's certainly what Jerry thinks, but is Ben
> > as cynical as Jerry?  Are we?  Admittedly it's hard to take Ben as
> > sincere, but that's part of the charm of this story right now--he
> > doesn't know *how* to be sincere.

>> > >In another scene he seems to be genuinely struggling to be good.
>> > >I enjoy his scenes but until I know where he's coming from, I'll withhold
>> > >my sympathies from him.

> > Sounds reasonable.  I hope this gets resolved somehow.  But how can
> > it, really, if it has to be an ongoing struggle, in a two hour
> > episode?  This raises two distrubing scenarios for me.  In one, Ben's
> > conversion turns out to be fake, and he goes back to his "evil ways".
> > Ugh.  In the other, his conversion turns out to be a genuine
> > road-to-Damascus phenomenon, but the only way the writers can figure
> > to demonstrate this definitively is to have him give his life for the
> > good  Saint Ben, martyr to the cause of Goodness.  Double Ugh.

> > I sure hope the writers are more imaginative than me.

Well, I suppose that the question of whether Ben Horne has really
turned good could in fact be left open, since I continue to see him as
being outside of pure good or pure evil.  He strikes me as someone who
has never thought of anything except himself and how to get what he
wants in the immediate present, without thought of how it might injure
someone else. There was also a certain delight in wielding power over
the little fish of Twin Peaks and coming to own most of it. Probably
for most of his life up until the beginning of Twin Peaks' story, and
through much of the series, he has been able to succeed in getting
what he wanted using his normal tactics.  Then his plan to kill
Catherine went awry and he was charged with the murder of Laura Palmer
(whose death seemed to genuinely upset him, at least when he talked to
Audrey), and he had to sign away his empire to his arch-rival
Catherine in hopes that she would provide him an alibi.  The game that
he had played so successfully up until then (and for him it was very
much a game) was going sour.

So, having reached mid-life and seen that selfishness led to great
loss, he took refuge in madness, replayed the Civil War in his mind,
taking the side of the historical loser and rewriting history so as to
win from that position.  I suppose there could have been a parallel
civil war going on inside him, playing itself out during this mad
episode, with the side of himself that always lost his internal
battles now coming out the winner.  So now maybe he's decided that if
being "bad" (i.e. a selfish empire builder) loses, being "good" might
win.  He's probably sincerely trying out this new role, but whether he
will ever understand it as anything other than a role that he's
playing is not clear.  He seems to be trying to get instruction in how
to be "good", but he's just following instructions in a fairly simple
way, once again not necessarily considering the consequences (how much
good will it really do Donna and her family to have the past exhumed
now--we have yet to see whether this truth will set anyone free, or
simply cause pain).

I guess it wouldn't bother me so much if Ben's situation were left
unresolved (even though I'd like to know his secrets as much as the
next person), because I suspect that in much of life the lines between
good and bad are not so clearly drawn, and in this way Ben's confusion
is only a more pronounced version of Everyman's.

Barb Miller

One of the recurring symbols in Twin Peaks has been rotating fans and record
players.  Now that Windom Earle is interested in celestial clockwork, I can
see an explanation of all the rotating stuff:

Each one is a reference to the celestial clockwork of Jupiter and Saturn:
the rotating fan, the 'ticking' record player Leland loved so, the 'ticking'
fan in Donna's attic.  Each one says that the time of the black lodge
is returning.

Here's a question for all those folks with photographic memories (or VCR's):
do the clock symbols (e.g., the fans) all run clockwise, or are some
running counter-clockwise?  Is there a relationship between the
counterclockwise clock symbols and the events in the scene running backward?


Brad Needham
bradn@augsburg.pen.tek.com

Well, these are the replies that I got from my question a while back.
Sorry for the delay, 6600koga has been on the fritz.  Nevertheless,
PLEASE send any replies to 6600koga, NOT 6600nuts.  Thanks.

From noe@suna0.cs.uiuc.edu Fri Apr 19 23:37:40 1991
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 91 01:36:19 -0500
From: Roger Noe <noe@suna0.cs.uiuc.edu>
To: 6600koga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu
Subject: Re: Twin Peaks Chess Set (Theoretical)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: School for the Gifted and the Damned at Urbana-Champaign
Status: RO

In article <10692@hub.ucsb.edu> you write:
>If you were at the Franklin Mint, and you decided to
>create a Twin Peaks chess set, what would the board
>look like? Also, who would the pieces be, and on
>what side of the board would they be on?

I tried to stick with "living" characters, but ran out of black ones.
The board would have jelly donuts on the white squares and owls on the
black squares.

WHITE
K - Dale Cooper
Q - Log Lady
B - Harry Truman, Pete Martell
N - Maj. Briggs, Will Hayward
R - Hawk, Ed Hurley
P - Donna Hayward, Audrey Horne, Norma Jennings, James Hurley,
Andy Brennan, Lucy Moran, Nadine Hurley, Annie Blackburne

BLACK
K - Windom Earle
Q - Catherine Martell
B - Ben Horne, Andrew Packard
N - Leo Johnson, Hank Jennings
R - Bobby Briggs, Jerry Horne
P - Shelley Johnson, Mike Nelson, Dr. Jacoby, Dick Tremayne,
John J. Wheeler, Bob Iger?
--
Roger Noe roger-noe@uiuc.edu
Department of Computer Science noe@cs.uiuc.edu
University of Illinois 40:06:39 N. 88:13:41 W.
Urbana, IL 61801 USA

From s5!maus@uunet.UU.NET Mon Apr 22 13:06:23 1991
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 91 14:55:26 EDT
From: maus@fid.Morgan.COM (Malcolm Austin)
To: 6600koga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu
Subject: Re: Twin Peaks Chess Set (Theoretical)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.twin-peaks
Organization: Morgan Stanley, & Co., Inc. / New York City, NY
Cc:
Status: RO

OK, I have reversed the convention of white=good and black=evil, since
Windom is playing white. I have also stuck to the convention of female
players for queens (against my better judgment, in the case of white),
and kept to buildings for rooks. Bishops have quasi-mystical connotations.
(Magician types) Knights are solid workhorse types. Pawns are nameless, and
all the same (on a side).

White King - Windom Earle (playing his flute)
White Queen - Catherine (weakest choice here, but there are no really
*evil* women in TP, in the Windom/BOB sense. Could replace
with BOB, I suppose, except for the gender convention
White Bishops - Leland (w golf club!)
- BOB (grinning maniacally, wringing hands)
White Knights - Leo Johnson (bathrobe, collar, and drool)
- Benjamin Horne (carrot in one hand, cigar in his mouth)
White Rooks - Great Northern (w metal waterfall spilling over the top
onto base of piece)
- Train Car (where LP and Ronette were found)
White Pawns - Owls (but of course!, mounted on tree braches)

Black King - Cooper (in his FBI suit, tape recorder to face)
Black Queen - Laura Palmer (Sorry, Annie, but Laura *clearly* has
precedence. "Homecoming queen" look, with prom dress
Black Bishops - Giant (hands folded in front of him)
- Major Briggs (on woodland throne!, or at attention)
Black Knights - Truman (hat, gun, one hand on hip puzzled look)
- Albert (stethoscope, lab coat, irritated expression)
or Denise! (smiling, head cocked to one side)
Black Rooks - the Gazebo (idyllic, plus it would look good on a rook)
- the RR Diner (just the sign)
Black Pawns - as designed by Windom Earle--rocker w head lolling out of
a pawn. Alternative: dancing dwarfs.


The board is, naturlich, wood. Either dark and light wood, or light wood
alternating with "red curtain" colored squares. In either case, the cave
petroglyph should be etched into it.

These are tough choices. I am emphasizing the current plot, hence haven't
included any of the One-Eyed Jacks crowd (Blackie, Renault Bros., Mountie,
etc.) And it was tough selecting among the lawmen (and I couldn't decide
between Albert and Denise--Albert for the show, but I think Denise would
make a better looking piece (no pun intended)). Andy and Hawk are also
worthy candidates.

Gee, this was fun!

--
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From perry%garfield.cs.wisc.edu@cs.wisc.edu Tue Apr 23 08:45:51 1991
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 91 10:46:26 -0500
From: perry%garfield.cs.wisc.edu@cs.wisc.edu
To: 6600koga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu
Status: RO

> If you were at the Franklin Mint, and you decided to create a Twin Peaks
> chess set, what would the board look like? Also, who would the pieces be,
> and on what side of the board would they be on?

First of all, there would have to be two actual boards, one for Twin Peaks and
one for the mystery world. They are separated by a board of trees, and there
are passages on all boards that lead to the others, generally by accident, the
passageways unseen, as well as changing. The other world board is at least 4D,
and the "good" player doesn't know the map.

There will be a "good" side, in gold (to represent badges), and consists of
Cooper, Truman, Andy Hawk, Major Briggs, Denis(e), Cole...

There is an "evil" side, BOB and Windom.

There are two "neutral" sides. Owls, and citizens. The owls start on the tree
board and filter into the other boards randomly to confuse and interfere. The
owl side also includes the Giant, the Dancing Dwarf and MIKE.

Citizens include other characters, some of which have a limited life in the
game (for instance Leland is only available at first), and characters can be
"possessed" (of evil) or "influenced" (by Cooper's wholesome goodness), ie
Ben's change of heart, Leland's possession.

Obviously, this chess game will only be possible on a computer.
The Franklin Mint couldn't do it.

Also, this would be a better subject AFTER the last episode, assuming we get
more insight into who is good or evil, motivations, what the spirit world and
Lodges really are, etc. Maybe you should post again then?
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c2h5oh@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Idealistic Bibliomystic) writes:


> >Forgive me if this has been suggested before, I don't get to read this
> >group that often.

> >I think ABC has deliberately planned to kill off Twin Peaks because
> >Twin Peaks is dangerous to the television industry. A show that makes
> >people *think* about what they've watching? That is *deadly*. There
> >are very few shows that can stand up to serious thought.

> >...

> >Twin Peaks got me thinking and feeling in ways which other shows just
> >can't compete with. (Twin Peaks itself can't really compete, since the
> >creative talents lost interest, but that's another story.) The
> >television industry cannot afford to do that to it viewers. They need
> >to keep us unthinking and easily stimulated. The campaign Peakers have
> >waged may have just made things worse - showing how much the show
> >means to us just shows how dangerous it is. All these people who have
> >become resistent to the usual tv crap! It's just too big a threat.

I find it difficult to ascribe the loss of entirely Twin Peaks to any
grand conspiracy.  While it is true that a show like TP can be
threatening to the TV industry establishment ("They're all going to
expect US to write like THAT!?" ... "Horrible violence that actually
feels horrible to the viewer?  I don't know..."), I think that it's
difficulties can be ascribed to the fact that we live in an
anti-intellectual society.

1. Overt anti-intellectualism:  Anything that's intellectually
challenging, that challenges my base emotional views (e.g., black
people make me nervous) is intellectual bullshit and I can ignore it.
This is the basis for the winking racism of Ronald Reagan.

2. Innocent anti-intellectualism:  "This show is just so WIERD.  I have
no idea what's going on.  It's above me.  This is too reminiscent of
the poems I never understood in English class.  It's so much easier to
follow Murder She Wrote.  It's not so scary when people get killed on
Matlock.  Mr. Reagan seems like such a nice guy, and he says he can fix
all this budget stuff so easily."

3. Facist anti-intellectualism:  "If they start to think for
themselves, what will they want next?"

#3 is of course very close to Idealistic B.'s thesis.  But I think that
the extent of its importance is limited to the degree of support ABC
gave to TP.  A network will grab at the chance to own a successful show
before it thinks of anything else, so ABC promoted Twin Peaks well
initially, and tried to hang on as it began to slip by running a fair
number of promos.  As TP began to fail in the ratings, it was easy for
them to say, perhaps with some relief, that people didn't want this.
Thus, the move to Thursday across from Cheers; ABC kept its commitment
to the TP viewer, but walked away from the show at the same time.

#1 and #2, along with a general "Gee, this doesn't leave me happy" are
reasons why the show was not popular with great hoards of Americans.
Even in the best of time slots, TP would never have stayed a top 20
show, just like nothing on PBS is ever a top 20 show.

As I see it, one can do one of two things:  Stay in America, where, put
on a happy face, and find a place to rent decent movies and friends who
share your sensibilities wherever you can; or move to Europe, where
they love TP because it justifies their sense of impending doom.  It's
a tough choice.  Personally, America keeps the kids close to their
grandparents and we have lots of money in a house that might be hard to
sell.  And I like the backyard with the barbecue.

- Alan J. Snyder
--
asnyder@ernie.artorg.hmc.psu.edu

In regard to the business about "The gum you like...", I think the typical
a.tv.tp over-analysis has obscured the true meaning. If we check the closed-
captioning I'm sure we'll find the correct quote to be "The Gumm you like...",
referring of course to Frances Gumm (aka Judy Garland). You see, the clue is
actually a portent of an another Wizard of Oz allusion (we've seen two already).

My prediction: Major Briggs, upon recovering from his truth-serum-induced funk,
dispatches Windom Earle with a handy bucket of water.

Then again, maybe not.

===============================================================================
Matt Hefferman
BBN Systems and Technologies
Newport, RI
hefferman@bbn.com

Could someone please mail to me the phonetic spelling 
of the name of the actress who plays Shelly Johnson?

Thanks,
Kevin

In article <12896@pt.cs.cmu.edu> kwh@fas.ri.cmu.edu (Kevin Hartmann) writes:
> >Could someone please mail to me the phonetic spelling 
> >of the name of the actress who plays Shelly Johnson?
> >

Oh yah.  And what was the name of the movie that she played in 
that just aired on network television (~2 weeks ago)?  
The movie was set in the '50s and she played an "experienced"
high school girl.  

Kevin

In article <1991May2.111506.12569@pbs.org> mpax@pbs.org (Cool Bean) writes:
> >In article <74230@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU>, riacmt@ubvmsa.cc.buffalo.edu (Carol Miller-Tutzauer) writes:
>> >> In article <1991May1.184938.12596@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, keb3@po.CWRU.Edu (Keith E. Bitely) writes...
>>> >>> 
>>> >>>In a previous article, alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) says:
>>>> >>>>In article <12818@aggie.ucdavis.edu> ez002797@pollux.ucdavis.edu () writes:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>Just adds fuel to my growing conviction that Twin Peaks reality
>>>> >>>>must be either a dream or an alternative reality
>>>> >>>>of some other sort - that what is happening is not going to turn out to
>>>> >>>>be reality as we know it.
>>> >>> 
> >Hate it.  To think we spent a year theorizing and analyzing nothing more
> >than a vision, would be a HUGE let down.  It would lose its mesmerizing
> >effect and that feeling of dread and evil we all love so much.
> >
What if your life turned out to be a dream that God was having. Would
that spoil it for you?
 
ann

In article <1991May3.162535.16888@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >In article <1991May2.111506.12569@pbs.org> mpax@pbs.org (Cool Bean) writes:

[regarding the it-was-all-a-dream theory]

>> >>Hate it.  To think we spent a year theorizing and analyzing nothing more
>> >>than a vision, would be a HUGE let down.  It would lose its mesmerizing
>> >>effect and that feeling of dread and evil we all love so much.

I agree completely.  It's an emotional cheat (not to mention the
oldest way of getting out of a story in the book. I used it repeatedly
in my fourth-grade fiction work. ;).

> >What if your life turned out to be a dream that God was having. Would
> >that spoil it for you?

Uh, yes.  Definitely.

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Peter--push the plug" --Josie Packard

In article <1991May2.111506.12569@pbs.org>, mpax@pbs.org (Cool Bean) writes:
> > In article <74230@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU>, riacmt@ubvmsa.cc.buffalo.edu (Carol Miller-Tutzauer) writes:
>> >> In article <1991May1.184938.12596@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, keb3@po.CWRU.Edu (Keith E. Bitely) writes...
>>> >>>In a previous article, alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) says:
>>>> >>>>In article <12818@aggie.ucdavis.edu> ez002797@pollux.ucdavis.edu () writes:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>Just adds fuel to my growing conviction that Twin Peaks reality
>>>> >>>>must be either a dream or an alternative reality
>>> >>>Awww...but, that would spoil all the fun.  My life has gotten pretty 
>>> >>>surrealistic lately, and I would hate to have it all be a dream.
>> >> Actually....think about it.  This could be a GREAT ending.  The
>> >> whole thing hasn't been a DREAM but a VISION.  It's Cooper, 
> > Hate it.  To think we spent a year theorizing and analyzing nothing more
> > than a vision, would be a HUGE let down.  It would lose its mesmerizing
> > effect and that feeling of dread and evil we all love so much.

[5 levels of quoting, I love it]

I hope it doesn't all turn out to be a dream or vision too, that would be far
too ordinary.  I do however expect some drastically new and different twist to
the plot at the end of the season so that the next season or the movie sequel
(which I predict it will be called Triplet Peaks and will introduce yet another
identical Laura Palmer character) can launch off in some new direction.  Like
when it went from a more psychological type plot in the first season to the
more occult-ish sort of thing in the second season.  Just when you start to
figure it out, the rules will change.  Remember all the complaints about how
the spirits, UFO's and stuff like that were going to ruin the series?  It's
happening again.

Vanya COOPER (Yeah, and my birthday's April 19th too, so there)
vcooper@pimacc.pima.edu

In article <1991May2.155617.2257@cho006.cho.ge.com>  
campbell_d@cho006.cho.ge.com writes:
> > 
> > I may have missed it, but where did Josie make an appearance
> > in the 4/18 episode (other than in the credits)?
> > 
> > Doug-pas

She didn't. The names of the starring actors appear regardless of
their appearence in the actual episode. The only actor that has
been taken off the credits is Ray Wise, presumably because he
actually quit the show; never to reappear.


--
 David E. Coufal                                   coufal@owl.caltech.edu
           "One time I removed all the hair from a mouse 
            with Nair-Hair just to see what it looked like.
            And it looked beautiful." - David K. Lynch

In article <1991May2.111506.12569@pbs.org>, mpax@pbs.org (Cool Bean) writes:
> > Hate it.  To think we spent a year theorizing and analyzing nothing more
> > than a vision, would be a HUGE let down.

  Didn't we all do this for EVERY vision that Cooper had?  We spent
  weeks analyzing each prediction made by the giant, months going
  over every phrase said by the LMFAP.  Knowing that these were
  only visions didn't prevent us from enjoying them.

> > How could you then go see a movie, knowing the whole time its just another
> > vision?

  How can you go see a movie now, knowing that it is nothing more than
  fiction, a story created by the author?

> > It would take all of the fun out of it and the mystery, which I
> > find central to my addiction.

  If the story is coherent and ties into the bigger picture (like
  the visions in the show were), how can making it a vision destroy
  its enchantment?

> > --Cool Bean

  Peter.
  wilson@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu
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In article <12897@pt.cs.cmu.edu> kwh@fas.ri.cmu.edu (Kevin Hartmann) writes:
> > In article <12896@pt.cs.cmu.edu> kwh@fas.ri.cmu.edu (Kevin Hartmann) writes:
>> > >Could someone please mail to me the phonetic spelling 
>> > >of the name of the actress who plays Shelly Johnson?
>> > >
> > 
> > Oh yah.  And what was the name of the movie that she played in 
> > that just aired on network television (~2 weeks ago)?  
> > The movie was set in the '50s and she played an "experienced"
> > high school girl.  
> > 
> > Kevin

Rod has already posted the correct pronounciation. The name of the film
you are refering to is "For The Very First Time." Below is Amick's
entry in The Twin Peaks Lists (tm) [which I am now working on and will
post soon], containing all of her known roles.

)Amick, MadchenBAYWATCH: [pilot]
)Don't Tell Her It's Me (aka The Boyfriend School)
)(1991)
)For The Very First Time (TV) (1991)
)I'm Dangerous Tonight (TV)
)Jury Duty: The Comedy (TV)
)STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION: "The Dauphin"
)(18 Feb 89)

--
 David E. Coufal                                   coufal@owl.caltech.edu
           "One time I removed all the hair from a mouse 
            with Nair-Hair just to see what it looked like.
            And it looked beautiful." - David K. Lynch

In article <91121.204546KRK4@psuvm.psu.edu> KRK4@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
> >
> >  1.  Twin Peaks        Killed Laura Palmer, Madeline Furgeson, Theresa Banks,
> >                        Jacques Renault, and probably others I can't recall
> >  2.  Robocop           Killed Robocop (or, rather, the guy who becomes him)
> >  3.  Moonlighting      Kills a cop, tries to kill Maddie
> >  4.  Star Trek, TNG    Shoots Picard with a crossbow bolt
> >
> >  Isn't there a trend here?  Who says Leland as a murderer is like a random sel

He also played the father in Journey of Natty Gann.  There goes the trend.

In article <1991May3.185157.17439@nntp-server.caltech.edu> coufal@owl (David Ernest Coufal) writes:
> >In article <1991May2.155617.2257@cho006.cho.ge.com>  
> >campbell_d@cho006.cho.ge.com writes:
>> >> 
>> >> I may have missed it, but where did Josie make an appearance
>> >> in the 4/18 episode (other than in the credits)?
>> >> 
>> >> Doug-pas
> >
> >She didn't. The names of the starring actors appear regardless of
> >their appearence in the actual episode. The only actor that has
> >been taken off the credits is Ray Wise, presumably because he
> >actually quit the show; never to reappear.

MAJOR SPOILER FOR SEASON FINALE:


Josie will be back, although Joan Chen will not.

This comes from a friend who knows the young lady who will play "Josie's lower
body" on the last episode. Joan Chen no longer has a contract with TP.

Now if you recall, almost exactly a year ago I posted a "spoiler" about the
identity of the mysterious Asian gentleman that Joan Chen revealed in the
Philadelphia Inquirer. That ultimately turned out to be false, though whether
because of changing scripts or deliberate misdirection is unclear. Anyway, you
know my track record with Joan Chen rumors. But there it is. Apologies if 
someone has already posted this, as I have been away from this group for some
time.
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Phil, I enjoyed reading your well thought out treatise on the underlying
meanings in TP.  For what it's worth, I largely agree with your various
observations.  I would like to point out a couple of points of differing
opinion, however, or at least alternate views...

First off, while I suspect that David Lynch would agree with many of your
interpretations, I doubt that his original (and ongoing) vision would be
quite so specific and detailed.  Not that this invalidates your views in
the least; it's just that we should remember that these are interpretations,
not the one true word of the great film god!

Secondly, I've always tended to see Lynch's works, TP included, as a
statement that the 50's vision of life always has been riddled with
contradictions and interwoven good and evil, despite its veneer of pure
good.  (Wo)man and his/her society is full of moral choices, and different
people make different choices.  In fact, the same person makes different
choices at different times of his/her life.  This is quite a different
interpretation than your (paraphrasing, of course) "the great moral values
of the 50's are now being undermined".

Lastly, I see Laura Palmer as a much stronger individual than you do.  Rather
than representing the schizophrenic root of our inability to recognize our
own problems, as you see her, I see her as a remarkable person, who, faced
with physically stronger horrors than she could possibly defend herself
against, still demonstrated a spiritual strength exceeding that of her abuser.
Now, partially, my interpretation is influenced by the secret diary.  And,
largely, it is influenced by buying into the TP myth that there are very
real spiritual, non-physical entities afoot.  In fact, *if* I could interpret
the manifestations of BOB and others of his ilk as purely psychological
phenomena, resulting from various traumas, say, then I would lean towards
a view of Laura as a tragic figure; this might permit an interpretation more
in line with yours, though I'm not certain of this - for me the reality of
BOB, MIKE, the giant, the LMFAP, the Lodges, and so on is an integral part
of the TP story (though a version that made their reality more ambiguous and
at least possible to interpret as wholely psychological phenomena might have
been even more interesting).

Well, all that said, your writeup was quite interesting!  Thanks for all that
effort and vision!
-- -larryy@apple.com "You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple, and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'." - Edmund Blackadder

In article <10640002@hpsciz.sc.hp.com> miller@hpsciz.sc.hp.com (Phil Miller)
writes:
> >
> >   BASIC THEORY: I believe David Lynch is using Twin Peaks to 
> >represent a microcosm of modern day America -- an American that
> >is much differnt than the America of the past (especially the 
> >innocent 1950's).  Lynch feels historical American virtues of hard  
> >work, strong family, and fair play are being replaced by those of
> >selfishness, greed, and superficiality.  He feels a horrible, unstopable
> >evil presence is jeopardizing our very existance as a culture.
> >In Lynch's view our only way out is to look within and hope that
> >"love is enough".
> >
> >
> >   THE OWLS ARE NOT WHAT THEY SEEM = America is not what it seems.
> >
[much text deleted]
****************************************************
While Lynch and Frost do have many signatures to their work, I think that way
that they dissect life to its most mundane instants--and consequently to its
most complicated-- and link those instants together in strange, lingering, and
terrifying ways is the briliance of Peaks. There are a boatload of bugbears on
TP, and the critcal eye that Lynch/Frost casts at us is far too ranging to
restrict it with "LMFAP==conscience."

Theories of cultural decay are as old as civilization itself, at least as old
as the first time a bundle of people thought of themselves as a tribe and
noticed *any* different habit of interpreting that culture. The "valueless"
society that you refer to as modern america was also industrial America, Post
WWI Europe, Victorian England, Industrial England, Henry Adams's world where
the virgin was overpowered by the dynamo . . .infinite regression . . ..

There's nothing wrong with the theory you've outlined here, it's just that life
and art aren't nearly so referential, and don't nearly take the form of such
1-1 relationships. If they did, then there would be no such thing as metaphor,
or a "universal" theme: art would just be an endless repetition of the same
thing over and over again.

Maybe I'm babbling too much here, but life and art (like TP) are much bigger
than the 1-1 correspondences you line up here [IMHO 8-)] That's why it's art:
it supports a wealth views and opinion and manages to embrace them all. Think
of yours as equally valuable or not as any other, and be willing to see it all
again.
 
***********************************************
"life is bigger
   bigger than you 
      and you are not me"

(only my own views) steve gardner

In article <C78D8E9320201CED@UMAECS>, GIOVIN%HECTOR@ecs.umass.edu (Rocky Giovinazzo) writes:
|> P.S.  If a British company picks up TP for us, I suspect that it
|> won't be what we're used to (better than nothing of course).  Maybe
|> it will become tame enough for an 8pm time slot and soar in the
|> ratings! (yeah, right)

And if the BBC became part of the European consortium funding TP
episodes they would probably speed up the action in each
episode to the fast pacing of 'Upstairs, Downstairs' or 
'All Creatures Great and Small' :-) - two shows which must be high up 
in the Nielsen ratings all time hall of fame :-)

[spoiler and tongue-in-cheek remark about UK residents follows]


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because the British enjoy seeing men wearing women's clothing so
terribly much (for ex: 'Monty Python', 'Benny Hill') :-)

- Morrow
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In article <15297@darkstar.ucsc.edu> c2h5oh@ucscb.UCSC.EDU (Idealistic Bibliomystic) writes:
> >
> >I think ABC has deliberately planned to kill off Twin Peaks because
> >[TP] is dangerous to the television industry. A show that makes
> >people *think* about what they've watching? ...
> >
> >They need to keep us unthinking and easily stimulated. The campaign ...
> >may have just made things worse - showing how much the show means to
> >us just shows how dangerous it is. All these people who have become
> >resistent to the usual tv crap!

I completely agree.  TP is the first show in a decade I anticipated
with enthusiasm.  It is the only one I am willing to go through the
pain of pre-programming my VCR for.  It is the only one on broadcast
tv I watch regularly (a total, including TP, under ten hours/month).
The only programs I watch regularly are on PBS or cable (CNN, C-SPAN,
Discovery, Lifetime, Nickelodeon (for fun), with a total more than
twice that of ABC+CBS+FOX+NBC for PBS _alone_).

Admittedly, I've been disaffected by television for many many years,
but lately more and more people who _seem_ normal are beginning to
lose interest in this stuff too.  Will the networks ever realize why
this is happening?  What will they do?  What _can_ they do?

Lum

(PS, I reread part of _The Curve of Binding Energy_, and a more
precise estimate of a critical mass of plutonium is the size of a
softball - ie, on the largish size for an orange.)
-- Lum Johnson <lum@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Yeah, yeah, ....

In article <1343@psych.stanford.edu> slab@psych.Stanford.EDU (Stephen LaBerge) writes:

   I don't think anyone has previously identified the source of 
   Wily Wyndom's incantation. It's from one of W. B. Yeats's most 
   recondite collections of poems, the "Supernatural Songs."
   The complete quote is as follows:

      Conjunctions

      If Jupiter and Saturn meet,
      What a crop of mummy wheat!

      The sword's a cross; thereon He died:
      On breast of Mars the Goddess sighed.

   What does it mean? Mere mummery? Or mumbo jumbo?

Well, Yeats was a member of The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn
(G.:D:.) [and isn't it interesting how the Golden Dawn acronym
contains two equilateral triangles of dots, just as the Twin Peaks
logo is bracketed by equilateral triangles] and is supposed to have
incorporated its rituals and symbolism into his poetry.  I'll see if I
can dig up anything in either the G.:D:. literature or _Yeat's Golden
Dawn_, a study of Yeat's involvement with the G.:D:.  However, the
last line reminds me of story of the infidelity of Aphrodite (Venus)
and Ares (Mars) in the Odyssey.  (Aphrodite was married to Hephaestus.
He suspected her infidelity and eventually caught Aphrodite and Ares
in flagrante delicto in a net of unbreakable metal, and put them on
display in front of the rest of the gods, while they tried to conceal
themselves in each other's arms.)  And the first stanza reminds me of
something Aleister Crowley might have written---the same sort of
obscure humor.

Oh, and of relevance to the whole .:T P:. twin theme, Yeat's name as a
member of the G.:D:. was

Demon est deus inversus

or ``The devil is god upside down''.

-30-
Ye Fra Irrumabo, His Marke

``Meditate upon this at second level.''

In article <12897@pt.cs.cmu.edu> kwh@fas.ri.cmu.edu (Kevin Hartmann) writes:
> >In article <12896@pt.cs.cmu.edu> kwh@fas.ri.cmu.edu (Kevin Hartmann) writes:
>> >>Could someone please mail to me the phonetic spelling 
>> >>of the name of the actress who plays Shelly Johnson?
>> >>
> >
> >Oh yah.  And what was the name of the movie that she played in 
> >that just aired on network television (~2 weeks ago)?  
> >The movie was set in the '50s and she played an "experienced"
> >high school girl.  

Madchen Amick (presumably with an umlaut (") over the first "a")

pronounced:

Mai-dxen Am-ick, where x is the soft guttural 'ch' of the German 'ich'
 and 'ai' is as in 'mail'.

  Craig
no .sig
go .fig

We all have heard that Coop and Windom Earl (sp?) meet in the last
episode of the season.  On the television magazine "Personalities"
there was a segment about cliff-hanger season finales, and T.P.
was mentioned.  The had the actor who plays Earl on and he said
that he and Coop meet in "a very strange place...it's a place only
David Lynch could describe." (not actually word-for-word...paraphrased
from memory)

I guess the obvious conclusion is that the meet either in one of the
Lodges or in a place between the Black and White.

--Tony
  "I don't wanna be a messiah, messiahs die young."

Phil Miller writes:
> >
> >         SHELLY JOHNSON is the traditional pre-women's lib American
> >    woman with the advice to save the community, "If everybody would
> >    hold hands, than nobody could make a fist."
> >
I thought Shelly said that sarcastically-- she thought the contest was sappy,
and was making fun of it. But she ended up entering it anyway; maybe Norma
persuaded her.

I'm not limiting this posting to the "ba" San Fransisco Bay Area because I
suspect most people would like to know it's happening...

Julie Cruise is supposed to perform next Thursday, May 9, at the club FX in
San Jose (at south 1st St. and San Salvador on the corner - don't know
their phone off-hand, but it's in the directory).  No advance tickets,
unfortunately, so you have to go early and queue up <sigh>.  This is a
pretty small place (I think - I've never actually been inside it before),
so should be fairly intimate.

I saw her perform in Los Angeles at the Japan American Theater, and it was
great!  No fancy stage production like the one done for the BAM festival
in NY ("Industrial Symphony" I think the name was? The one that's available
on video tape and disc.).  She just stood in the middle of the stage and
sang, with about 4 or 5 backup musicians doing a surprisingly good job of
reproducing the full Badalamenti sound.  Really enjoyed it!
-- -larryy@apple.com "You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple, and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'." - Edmund Blackadder

arwoo@athena.mit.edu (Albert R. Woo) writes:

> > In article <8aDZ12w164w@lablues.UUCP> lazer@lablues.UUCP (Patrick Delahanty) 
>> > >Just to let you guys know...
>> > > 
>> > >I STILL like Quantum Leap!  :)
>> > > 
>> > >[No...I DON'T have a death wish...]
>> > > 
>> > >-Lazer (co-sysop L/A Blues (207) 777-3465)
> > 
> > 
> > So THIS is the "kinder, gentler" Quantum Leap fan we've been hearing
> > soooo much about in rec.arts.tv???  Hmmmm...
> > 
> > C'mon, we all know that no REAL Quantum Leap fan would post without including
> > the line, "Ooooooh, Scott Bakula is *such* a hunk!"  :-) 
> > 
> > Oh, and Patrick...
> > CELTICS STINK!!!
> > CELTICS STINK!!!
> > CELTICS STINK!!!
> > 
> > (sorry, inside joke...)
> > 
> >                        --Albert Woo
> >            Twin Peaks and Laker fan, and proud of it!!!

Glad to see someone reads my messages!  :)  I like Quantum Leap and since I 
live in Maine (and am Irish) the Celts are my favorite team!  (Red Sox too.)
I also am a HUGE Back to the Future fan...  but TP just isn't my style.  I 
watched it for about 30 minutes total in my life and I almost puked!  :Q  
One of my friends though (lablues!fergie@mother.bates.edu) is a BIG TP fan 
but doesn't have his own modem so I read messages here and print some out 
for him.  I calls from my house once in a while to read some himself (and 
reply).
 
-Lazer (co-sysop L/A Blues (207) 777-3465 and Apple //c and Mac SE user)

> >From: ian@lerch.jpl.nasa.gov (Particle Man)
> >Subject: What the .... . .-.. .-..?

> >E N D S I E O S S E U L E I.
> >
> >Not particularly enlightening, is it?
> >
> >Has anybody out there figured out more of the code?
Yes:  T H I S   I S   N O T   A   M E S S A G E  --  J U S T 
S O M E O N E   M A K I N G   B E E P I N G   N O I S E S.

Rocky Giovinazzo

> >From: drjamez@lablues.UUCP (James Hussiere)
> >Subject: Questions...

> >Finally, is it just me, or is Twin Peaks laden with sexual inuendo?
 
> >("One-Eyed Jack's" could refer to a penis and not a card, "Twin Peaks" could 
> >be a female chest....  Knowing David Lynch likes his sexual metaphors (Blue 
> >Velvet, Wild at Heart), this could be true....)
Don't forget Norma & Shelley cleaning the big ice cream cone,
and Shelley's gun-fondling while kissing Bobby, and [fill in random
scene here], and [pick a scene, any scene], and ...
Remember Dr. Jacoby's analysis that all problems are of a
sexual nature.  Lynch has probably taken this to heart.

Rocky Giovinazzo

In the current issue of Chess Life magazine, someone asked
"what legal setup of the original chessmen would allow for the
maximum number of mating positions against a lone King."  
In answering (person didn't know), but they happened to note
how many moves from starting position to get stalemate:

"The legendary Sam Loyd ('the puzzle King') devised a number of
similar problems, such as the number of moves to achieve
stalemate from the starting position (10).  Other teasers can
be found in THE PERSONALITY OF CHESS by Horowitz and Rothenberg
(Macmillan, 1963)."

Carol

Mummy wheat 
Jupiter maximizes, saturn kills - mega-death
Mars is war.
  
According to archeologists, agriculture and organized
warfare developed in conjunction with one another in the history of 
the human race.  Where you find wheat in the tomb you find evidence
of massive warfare also.
 
Just a thought.
 
-------------------------------------------------------------

maus@Morgan.COM (Malcolm Austin) writes:

> > In article <1991May2.141558.23912@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> ian@lerch.jpl.nasa.gov 
> > <E N D S I E O S S E U L E I.
> > <
> > <Not particularly enlightening, is it?
> > <
> > <Has anybody out there figured out more of the code?
> > <
> > 
> > It's not a code.  There is no message.  It's just a "news flash" sound effect
> > Good thought, though.
> > 

This would seem to be, in a sense, straightforward, as a transmission from a
character displaced in time and space, trying to communicate with humans. The
strong sender does not interact well with our languages or time sense.

Thus, the message breaks down into:

END= End (English)
SI= Yes
EOS= End of Segment
SEUL= Alone? (French?)
E= And (Italian)
I= I (English)

Run this backwards, term for term, and you get something like "I ... and alone
... end of segment... Yes... end." or, interpreting it more freely, "I, by
myself, end the segment, yes, end." This serves to tell us that there was to
be no "Next time on Twin Peaks" clip, and this segment of the show's life
(that is, as a semiregularly scheduled weekly series on ABC) was coming to 
a lonely end (lonely due to low ratings?).

Who is the "I" in this? I suspect that it is the watcher from the White Lodge,
waiting by the transmitter as the others flood out to do battle in the finale.
One might hope that some segment of Harold made it to transfiguration (un ame
solitaire, indeed)...

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

wilson@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu (Peter D. Wilson) writes:

> > In article <1991May2.111506.12569@pbs.org>, mpax@pbs.org (Cool Bean) writes:
>> > > Hate it.  To think we spent a year theorizing and analyzing nothing more
>> > > than a vision, would be a HUGE let down......
>> > > It would take all of the fun out of it and the mystery, which I
>> > > find central to my addiction.
> > 
> >   If the story is coherent and ties into the bigger picture (like
> >   the visions in the show were), how can making it a vision destroy
> >   its enchantment?

I could see this working but (off da toppa my head) what would it take
to make it satisfying?

Important questions would include
Whose vision is it?
Does this person exist in (a TV representation of) our world?
Why is the person having the dream?
What do the symbols in the dream mean to this person?
Why did the person "choose" the images in it?
How has the person been affected by having had the dream?

This has actually been done well in the past in (if we take the simple
explanation as real in the movie of The Wizard of Oz. (I don't have to
include WIZARD OF OZ SPOILERS here, do I?) In that, the world of OZ is
a dream had by Dorothy Gale. She does exist in a mundane Kansas, and
wishes to escape. When she has the dream, she envisions a fantasy world,
yet finds similar demons (Miss Gulch <==> The Witch) to the ones in her
real life. Most of the characters are spun off from real people she knows,
and few of the images are outside the realm of something that may have
been constructed by the subconscious of a young girl on a Kansas farm
in those days. She is affected by the dream in that she awakens from it
more comfortable with the life she really leads. (Whether this is a good
thing is another question...)

This has been done badly in other situations that invalidate the whole rest
of the story. Examples include the dreamyear of Dallas (from what I 
undesrstand, never having watched the show much...), St. Elsewhere, and
a lot of fourth grade fiction.

In a literary sense, having the piece turn out to be a dream does >not<
free it from coherence, and does not allow a good artist to include simply
random elements in it. Rather, everything would carefully be viewed from
the angle: Would this character generate these images? Even if they don't
seem to link in anywhere or make any sense, they would fall within this world
view.

If Twin Peaks is, indeed, a dream, whose dream is it? The simplest guess would
be that it is Laura Palmer's. There is little in there that she might not
have envisioned, especially assuming that the Secret Diary ends at the point
she began the dream. The uses of poetry are a bit of stretch, as are the
reference to Tibet, but Laura, being intelligent and inquisitive, might well
have picked these up along the way.

Other possibilities include Josie Packard (whose life takes a steady tragic
trajectory of decay throughout the series, with her currently being trapped
inside a knob), Dale Cooper, Ben Horne, and even Audrey Horne (who is perhaps
the only character who has had a steady passage of learning and growth through
the series).

The dream theory would explain a >lot< of what's going on, and I think little
in the show would not fit into a well formed dream -- even such things as
the bouncing balls in 2007(?) and the unison policemen in Diane Keaton's
episode would fit as the kinda weird things that happen in dreams.

In short, I would not be infuriated by this turning out to be a dream, >if<
the dreamer, cause, and resolution fit this kind of dreamlogic. I would rather
that it all be "real" (i.e. a first-order dream of Lynch, Frost, et all) rather
than a dream-within-a-show... but it could be pulled off well -- and wouldn't
it be a coup for TP to be one of the few shows to do it >right<!

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

NOTE:  I tried posting this a few days ago, but I didn't see it.  If it did
get on, then you don't have to read it again.  Otherwise, I screwed up the
first time and this is new to you.  Share and enjoy.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

In case you're wondering, I'm the one who posted the message that I had a 
copy of the 2-page Twin Peaks board game about a month ago.

So far I've sent my address to about 15 people.  If you asked for it and
haven't received it yet, please send me another mail message.  We're 
experiencing technical difficulties with the system lately, so don't think
I'm just tormenting you by not responding.

I received a message from someone who said the following:

Maybe you've heard this already, but the U.S. Post Office
will not allow me to purchase Canadian postage; hence I
can't really send you a self-addressed, stamped envelope.
How have others been handling this delimma?  I don't mean
to cause a big deal when you're doing something so nice,
so please let me know whatever I can do to help.

Well, I don't know too much about the Postal Service, but here goes.

This scenario seems to be sound to me:  on both envelopes, put whatever
postage you would normally use for a letter.  Of course, because of the
size (8.5 * 11), it might cost more, you'd have to check with the Post
Office.  Of course, I live in Nova Scotia and the rules elsewhere might
be different.  When in doubt, ask Mom.

So far, I haven't received any envelopes from anyone.  Hope they're not
all stopped at the border.

If I've given any false information, or if anyone knows the right way to
go about this, any help would be greatly appreciated.

Craig R. Falkenham
The Master of the Obvious

In article <1991May4.185435.28635@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >Mummy wheat 
> >Jupiter maximizes, saturn kills - mega-death
> >Mars is war.
> >  
> >According to archeologists, agriculture and organized
> >warfare developed in conjunction with one another in the history of 
> >the human race.  Where you find wheat in the tomb you find evidence
> >of massive warfare also.


Do you mean 'in the tomb' or 'at a site'?  I would think that any civilization
that has reached the point of using _tombs_ probably has already developed a
large population, agriculture, and warfare.  I don't see how finding evidence of
both in tombs implies a coeval evolution of the two.
  Craig
no .sig
go .fig

David Lynch seems to have formed his artistic vision in the
50's and early 60's - a time of great confidence, security and
optimism in the United States.
 
The americans emerged from WW2 feeling like world heros, feeling that
in the form of Hitler they had defeated evil for all time.
The german anti-christ had been destroyed and those american
soldiers  responsible for this accomplishment felt
very sure that they were living in the best of all possible
societies, the free world. 
 
Their children, however, saw the world through different eyes.
They saw that evil still flourished, even in America. David Lynch
was one of those children. His vision of the evil that lurks under the
bright surface is the dominant theme of his work. 
 
ann h.

Just a quick note of some crossovers between TP and real life...

Was dining in an otherwise very pleasant little cafe yesterday, which had
some fairly obnoxious easy listening music in the background.  Don't
remember any other tunes that come on, except "Do You Know the Way to
San Jose", and "Falling".  Hee hee!  Somehow I think Lynch would like the
idea of the show's music creeping into such totally glazed-over, non-commital
music sources!

And then I took a quiet, perverse delight when the guy in the futon store
told me that the frame I was interested in was made of Douglas Fir.

Uh, no... TP isn't very important to me or anything.  So what if it's going
away.  I can cope.  8~}
-- -larryy@apple.com "You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple, and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'." - Edmund Blackadder

In article <1991May2.175210.15045@aero.org> srt@aero.org (Scott "TCB" Turner) writes:
   (Particle Man) writes:
   >Okay guys.  Everyone remember the Morse code behind Lucy's voice
   >during the closing credits of the 4/18 episode?  Good.  Could you
   >decipher them?  Me neither.  Thus I had a friend of mine who is a ham
   >radio operator take a listen.  His conclusion: the Morse technique
   >stinks.  He said it was very difficult to distinguish the dots from
   >the dashes, and to determine the gaps between letters.

   That's because the Morse code is being played backwards.  Well, more 
   precisely, Major Briggs is tapping out the code in reverse, a word
   at a time.  I think it says something about "GUM".

No, no, no.  That's ``gub'', as in ``I have a gub''---yet another
movie reference.

-30-
Bob

``The man had no conception of the instrument.  He was blowing into it.''

I guess I'm finding this list rather late in the game.
 
Still, as a TP fan, I'd like to see what discussions have
taken place in this forum.  Is there a way for me to obtain
an archive of the TP list?  I am a Usenet novice, so any
instructions will be appreciated.
 
Thanks,
Tom Thomas

Just a little side not here, but Twin Peaks is actually referenced to
in a Sierra On Line computer game!  Space Quest 4 to be exact!

You get a hint book in the game, with a decoder pen, and one of the hints
is "I can't find the one armed man!"

Then when you decode the first clue, it says "Ask BOB"

-Frank Rachel

In article <40483@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU> gwh@soda.Berkeley.EDU (George William Herbert) writes:
> >We urge everyone in affected newsgroups to ignore phillip.  He is not quite
> >BIFF, but along the same lines.  
> >
> >We ignore him if possible.  So ought you.
> >
> >-george william herbert
> >gwh@soda  usenet@soda by act of god  i'm going to regret having posted this. 
> >i usually do.

This is either a net.accident or a forgery.  Don't worry about it.

-george

( *sigh* )


  == George William Herbert ==   *   JOAT = Jack Of All Trades = Generalist   *
 == JOAT for Hire: Anything, ==  #########  I do Naval Architecture, ##########
===+++ Anywhere, my price +++=== # Spacecraft Design, UNIX Systems Consulting #
 ==   gwh@ocf.berkeley.edu   ==  # RPG writing/development, and lots of other #
  ==   gwh@gnu.ai.mit.edu   ==   ## random stuff, of course.  I'm a JOAT 8-) ##

Hi Twin Freaks!
---------------

This is my actual debute in this newsgroup, although I have been
foolowing the discussion for about a month, I haven't had much to say
(I couldn't help reading about events in advance).
I just saw 2018, it was a real smash hit. I see now why there was so
much discussion about the mark in the owl cave, it didn't quite match
up to Major Briggs' and the log ladys' burnmarks.
Well anyway, here's my purpose for this message:
The show started here this autumn, the first eight episodes (WKLP)
were shown before Xmas, and then it resumed right after the new year
started. All the time the amount of episodes of the 2nd season has
been claimed to be 22, running once a week (Mondays) we should now
have only four remaining:

   2019   May 13th
   2020   May 20th
   2021   May 27th
   2022   June 3rd 

There you have it!
They haven't said anything about any changes on the national
broadcasting company, so I assume that this time table is still the
one that is going to be followed!
It would be quite strange though, if the two last shows that are
going to be shown together in the US would be shown separetely here.

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Great sports-weekend for Sweden:

   Friday:   World Champions in table tennis (team)
   Saturday: World Champions in icehockey
   Sunday:   World Champions in table tennis doubles 
             (Thomas von Scheele and Peter Karlsson)
   Monday:   World Champions in table tennis singles
             (Gold for Jorgen Persson, silver for JO Wallner
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= Computer Science   =  Seeing love mentioned many thousand times   =
= University of Umea =  But despite all the places I've looked      =
= Sweden             =  It's still no clearer, it's just not enough =
= dvldjn@cs.umu.se   =  I'm still no nearer the meaning of love"    =
=                    =  The meaning of love - Depeche Mode          =
=====================================================================

>>> >> >From: rhaller@phloem.uoregon.edu
>>> >> >somehow aware of WE's intentions towards Miss TP and intends to thwart him,
>>> >> >perhaps using her special power to cloud men's minds, as it were.  Don't forget
>> >>   Come on... I know that one of the themes of the show is "things
>> >>   are not what they seem," but could Lana really be hiding such intellectual
>> >>   capacity?  Remember her lines at the wine tasting party?  "By smellin'"
> >
> >There's a difference between "intellectual capacity" and "special
> >powers".  In terms of sheer intellectual capacity, WE probably has
 What I meant was that it seems doubtful that Lana has the
"intellectual capacity" to be "somehow aware of WE..."
                                       ^^^^^

Rocky Giovinazzo

In article <1991May1.154641.17517@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
 >In article <12818@aggie.ucdavis.edu> ez002797@pollux.ucdavis.edu () writes:
 >>In article <T9H611w163w@zitt> joe@zitt (Joe Zitt) writes:
 >>[joe's big hint from the book is] ...
 >>>
 >>Does anyone remember
 >>the story of D.B. Cooper who pulled off a big bank heist and parachuted
 >>out of a highjacked jet somewhere over the Pacific Northwest?  He got 
 >>away.  Joe's prediction of Coop's disappearance brought this back to me.
 >>
 >>Comments?  
 >
 >Just adds fuel to my growing conviction that Twin Peaks reality
 >must be either a dream or an alternative reality
 >of some other sort - that what is happening is not going to turn out to
 >be reality as we know it.
 > 
 >a.h. 

More fun facts...

I just read in the news (Miami Herald) a couple of weeks ago that according
to police, the Snoqualmie (or is it Snohomish? Apologies to residents of
Washington) Valley area has become a popular spot for dumping bodies.  Hmmm,
is that art imitating life or life imitating art?  The article didn't 
mention anything about giant chess pieces or zip-locced prom queens.

I guess the Everglades aren't as popular as they used to be...no wonder
the gators are looking hungry these days.

jimbo

In article <1991May1.151427.1412@solbourne.com> gerber@solbourne.com (Andrew Gerber) writes:
 >Just to deny some rumours, the Twin Peaks trading cards have not been
 >cancelled.  You can order you own set for $19.95 + $3 s/h by calling
 >Star Pics at 1-800-877-2757.  The nice lady at the other end of the
 >phone said they just got 60,000 sets of cards, so they won't be
 >running out anytime soon.
 >
 >Andy

I can second that announcement.  She asked me how I had first heard of them,
and I tried to explain about networks and newsgroups, to which she replied
"Oh, you heard about them from the computer first!"

I think we have a new character to add to the twin peaks universe.  I
suggest that everyone who calls be real nice to her, and maybe get some
info about her to share on the net.

By the way, she said 6-8 weeks for delivery!

jimbo

I saw the man from another place on a TV talk show
last thursday.  They showed a clip from TP (dream sequence)
and they asked him what it meant.  Just before I reveal
what he told me, I want to tell you what he does now.
He is known as Little Mike and he is a rapper (no, he 
doesnt work at the gift department of Macy*s.).
He also does fund raising for the homeless in NY City.

So the lady on 9 Broadcast Plaza (channel 9) asks him
if he has any girlfriends and he says "yes".  Then she
asks if they have problems kissing and he says "wanna try".
So this tall lady gives him a wet one. (Honest).
Then they go to the audience, where a middle-aged woman
is just begging to pick him up (which she does).
Somewhere in there, they show the clip from the show, 
tell him what a great weird actor he is, 
and ask him what it all means.
He says: "My name is Little Mike, I'm a rapping man..."
and starts into a short rap song.  He doesnt really
attempt to explain it at all, 
but maybe that is the real meaning after all.

-dave

"Aw Shucks!"
- Dan Quayle after announcement of Bush's 
  clean bill of health 
--
David Ruderman                            ruderman@sbcs.sunysb.edu
Department of Computer Science                      (516) 632-7675
SUNY at Stony Brook                "The price of freedom is
Stony Brook, NY  11794-4400                    eternal vigilance."

In article <6171@vela.acs.oakland.edu> rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:
> >
> >Anyway, she says that North Bend's main claim to fame used to be this:
> >there was one traffic light in the whole town, and it sat squarely on
> >the main highway through town, which was coincidentally a non-limited
> >access section of I-90.  It was, in fact, the only stoplight on I-90
> >between the east and west coasts, and the government used to beg and
> >plead with North Bend to remove it.  North Bend refused, and the Feds
> >finally built a bypass.  My student said that this stoplight was quite
> >celebrated, known for fifty miles around as a pain in the ass.

There are other stoplights on I-90, but the one in North Bend was the
last one in the state, and it was indeed famous in the area as being a
pain.  North Bend's claim to fame is that it is the last point for
services before crossing the mountains when driving east out of
Seattle.  (Not much of a claim, I know.)

> >To me, this story gives a certain resonance to the the shots of the
> >stoplight in TP.  Is this *the* stoplight, famed bane of truckers
> >coast-to-coast?  Does anyone know if this story is true?

Yes, that's the stoplight all right.  I was able to identify it
because in some of the shots you can see the boarded up windows of the
Snoqualmie Valley Antique Company on the far side of the street, and I
drive through that intersection every day on my way to work.  For what
it's worth, the Mar-T Cafe/RR Diner is located at this same
intersection (on the right, on the near side of the street, the way
the shots are done), and if the camera were to pan just a tiny bit to
the right the shot would catch the tacky sign as well as the
stoplight. 

And in case you ever wonder if they had to use a wind machine in order
to get the stoplight to bob around (no pun intended) like it does, the
answer is no, it just gets really windy here.

Don

-- Don Hacherl "Sorry, no pithy quotes today" donh%microsof@uunet.uu.net or {uunet|uw-beaver}!microsoft!donh Disclaimer: Little of what I say should be taken seriously, and none should be taken as the opinion of my employer.

Hello everyone!

Wait! Before going on to the next article, all you Twin-Peaks encylopaedists
please give me a few minutes of your time.

I was thinking of compiling a list of events which will or will not be
resolved and asking the bright readership of this newsgroup to
venture their opinions on these. In other words, which questions
will be answered be the last episode(s) and which will be left
"hanging?" For example: will we see Josie? Will the Major be killed
by Windom? Who will win the Miss Twin Peaks contest?

Will you all (or as many of you who have some minutes to spare)
bombard my e-mail address (see below) with as much as you can
think of which we should see explained in the last episode? After
next week I'll compile all the questions and resend them out to the
group and welcome answers (i.e. will we know ar will we be left in
the dark). Depending on the difficulty of the question I will
score each and tally them after the last episode is aired. (I
suppose that some things will be ambiguous and will use my opinion
in such instances). For the replies which will score the ten best
scores I am willing to set up some nice prizes too, so please
contribute!

Once again, think of any threads that are still dangling. Send
the question to my e-mail address and I'll take it from there.
For example: "Maybe Laura Palmer will win the contest?" or
"is the LMFAP an evil [black lodge] character?"; "What is
it that Windom Earle knows that Coop doesn't"; "What about Annie?"
Think of anything, sex if you will, and send it my way. I'll
repost the twenty-or-so most intriguing plot-hangers in about
a week and a half.

See you again soon
Tony
*antofi@romeo.caltech.edu*

> >From: svihla@evax0.eng.fsu.edu
> >Subject: The Light That Failed

> >4. The executives at ABC are idiots.   

> >If the quality of the early shows had been maintained, I think people would
> >have continued to watch.  ABC didn't help matters by moving the show around
> >and placing it on intermittent hiatus, either.  David Lynch is kind of a
> >quirky guy - his *movies* do not appeal to all tastes, and I think maybe
> >network TV is not the perfect medium for his talents.
I like to think that #4 is the most significant 
factor here:  TP was not only moved around and put on hiatus at Christmas
and in February, but was also made part of an experiment ABC decided to 
conduct this year.  China Beach, Young Riders, & Twin Peaks were supposed
to stop Sat. night VCR viewers from renting tapes and start watching
ABC again.  So Twin Peaks was not only an experiment in television
itself but was being doubly tested by ABC.
If you can remember the ads for this scheme of ABC's last fall,
network execs were at a meeting being yelled at by some head honcho
about how stupid this plan was.  It ended with something like, 
"Save our jobs.  Watch the Young Riders, China Beach, and Twin Peaks
on Saturdays."  I doubt it, but I sure hope these idiots DID lose their jobs.

Rocky Giovinazzo

dvldjn@cs.umu.se (Daniel Jnsson) writes:
> > All the time the amount of episodes of the 2nd season has
> > been claimed to be 22, running once a week (Mondays) we should now
> > have only four remaining:
> > 
> >    2019   May 13th
> >    2020   May 20th
> >    2021   May 27th
> >    2022   June 3rd 
> > 
> > There you have it!
> > They haven't said anything about any changes on the national
> > broadcasting company, so I assume that this time table is still the
> > one that is going to be followed!

Eat your hearts out, Swedes!! We Norwegians are three days ahead of you!
Heh-heh...

(Btw - I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is a sudden change in the 
schedule - I find it hard to believe that we will finish the series ahead 
of its originating country! I'm not even sure I would _want_ that to 
happen, because it would indicate that the last two episodes are "nothing 
special" - i.e. just ordinary episodes produced before the apparent 
cancellation decision, and without any attempts to "wrap it all up" :-( )

Roar Larsen,
Trondheim, Norway

In article <1991May3.162535.16888@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >What if your life turned out to be a dream that God was having. Would
> >that spoil it for you?

Definitely!  Why should my life have to be retold to Jahweh's shrink.

In article <1913@tekig7.MAP.TEK.COM> bradn@tekig3.PEN.TEK.COM () writes:
> >One of the recurring symbols in Twin Peaks has been rotating fans and record
> >players.  Now that Windom Earle is interested in celestial clockwork, I can
> >see an explanation of all the rotating stuff:

That's just because Earle is an orrery cuss.

> >   dvldjn@cs.umu.se (Daniel Jnsson) writes:
> >   > All the time the amount of episodes of the 2nd season has
> >   > been claimed to be 22, running once a week (Mondays) we should now
> >   > have only four remaining:
> >   > 
> >   >    2019   May 13th
> >   >    2020   May 20th
> >   >    2021   May 27th
> >   >    2022   June 3rd 
> >   > 
> >   > There you have it!
> >   > They haven't said anything about any changes on the national
> >   > broadcasting company, so I assume that this time table is still the 
> >   > one that is going to be followed!

> >   Eat your hearts out, Swedes!! We Norwegians are three days ahead of you!
> >   Heh-heh...

> >   Roar Larsen,
> >   Trondheim, Norway


Claw your eyes out Norwegians!! We Danes are one day ahead of you! (and will
always be!!)
Heh-heh...hahahaha...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Lars Hvidegaard
Aarhus, Denmark

In article <10640002@hpsciz.sc.hp.com> miller@hpsciz.sc.hp.com (Phil Miller) writes:

> >     BASIC THEORY: I believe David Lynch is using Twin Peaks to 
> >  represent a microcosm of modern day America -- an American that
> >  is much differnt than the America of the past (especially the 
> >  innocent 1950's).  Lynch feels historical American virtues of hard  
> >  work, strong family, and fair play are being replaced by those of
> >  selfishness, greed, and superficiality.  He feels a horrible, unstopable
> >  evil presence is jeopardizing our very existance as a culture.
> >  In Lynch's view our only way out is to look within and hope that
> >  "love is enough".

Your posting that follows this shows that you've clearly put a lot of
thought into reconciling the elements of Twin Peaks with this theory.
I think my basic difficulty with this is that selfishness, greed, and
superficiality have been around forever, and the dreamy, mythic,
timeless quality of the imagery of Twin Peaks seems to be telling a
more ageless story of the struggle of life to go on when threatened by
powerful forces. The evil presence seems to be beyond any particular
social phenomenon of recent times.  In fact, by setting the story in
this remote place where the classic American vision would think that
all should be peace and harmony, the creators seem almost to be
saying that a belief that things were so much better in the golden
age is in fact an illusion; that even in a seemingly innocent, safe
place like Twin Peaks, _which hasn't changed all that much since the
50's_, there is evil.  There are people coming from outside, who carry
evil within them (Eckhardt, Windom Earle), but the Black Lodge itself
is located right there in the woods outside of Twin Peaks, and has
been there since long before there was a United States of America (I
refer to Hawk's descriptions of the Native American legends of the
White and Black Lodges).  The White Lodge is there as well, but to
find it you have to find the Black Lodge, and to be able to
distinguish between the two.

You don't explicitly say whether you agree with the message you
ascribe to David Lynch.  In responding to your theory I find I am also
drawn into  responding to the ascribed message, with which I don't
really agree.  Part of the power Twin Peaks's style is the fact
that so much is left tantalizingly ambiguous that it is easy for our
interpretations to say more about ourselves than about the story and
its characters and symbols.  Because my own theory about the show
would take at least as many lines as yours and this response would
grow way too long, I will simply respond to your interpretations of 
characters and symbols that seem particularly at odds with my own
interpretations of them.

[some deletions throughout, where possible]

> >  THE LMFAP represents that "little man inside our heads" which
> >      helps us distinguish right from wrong.  He's elusive to modern
> >      America though, always dancing away. 

He doesn't seem to me to be connected with questions of right and
wrong, since he doesn't seem to ever make judgements.  He simply knows
what he knows, and chooses rather indirect ways of communicating it,
as does intuition, as you point out in the next line.

> >      To Cooper he is especially
> >      represenative of intuition.  The OAM tells Cooper:
> > "You will find the anwsers with the heart, not the head."
> >  Also note Cooper has never beaten Windom Earle in a chess
> >      game -- a game of intelligence.  Is this Lynch's way
> >      of saying America is blinding itself with knowledge and forsaking
> >      its natural ability to recognize evil?  

It seems more like a way of saying that in a straight contest of
reason, there is no guarantee that evil will be defeated.  However,
the heart isn't infallible either.  Harry Truman led with his heart in
his relationship with Josie, and Cooper was inclined to go along with
him, until the highly rational, scientific Albert brought in the
inescapable evidence of Josie's involvement in several murders.

> > For all his good intentions Cooper does not grasp everything
> >      the LMFAP reveals, so to get his attention, THE GIANT is sent.
> >      The Giant stresses patience and reverence:
> >   "A path is formed one stone at a time."
> >   "Don't ask questions, listen."
> > Cooper can only prevent future travesties in Twin Peaks by heeding
> >     his advice; just as Lynch is saying Americans can only save their society
> >      by returning to a slower less competitive  lifestyle with respect
> >      for institutions and authority figures.  

I don't follow you from the giant to respect for institutions and
authority figures.  It seems to me that to follow one's intuition
necessarily means disregarding authority figures and institutions if
your intuition guides you in another way.  Would the authority figures
in Twin Peaks really be able to identify and defeat the evil presence
there without the very unauthoritative, individualistic techniques
that Cooper is using?

> >   COOPER represents an ousider sent to America by forces of good
> >      (The White Lodge) to prevent its decay.  Just as the Dali Lama 
> >      recently warned America to be more compassionate,  Cooper sets an
> >      example of good-will for all to follow, especially with regards to 
> >      fighting evil.                    

If Cooper is an outsider, where did he come from?  Granted, he is from
outside Twin Peaks, but I can't really buy that he is an outsider to
America.  It is true that he is an unorthodox figure and would
probably be something of an outsider in any organized society in which
he found himself.  I don't see him as being sent by the White Lodge so
much as being an individual who would naturally search for the White
Lodge, being more sensitive than most people to the light-dark duality
represented by the two Lodges.

> >   THE WHITE LODGE represents the source of all the unselfish and  
> >      compassionate values which have been lost over the last century in
> >      America. They feel the time is getting late and sent their agent,
> >      Cooper, to stop the nation's decline into evil. 

Yes, time is significant here, expressed as it is in the references to
planetary motion.  Yet, this implies a cycle rather than a linear
decay, which again leads back to the timelessness of the story.

> >    WINDOM EARLE represents the current American role model, one who
> >      strives for personal success at any cost.  His disguises are indicative
> >      of the many decptions found in America's business and social worlds.

Somehow it doesn't seem to me that Windom Earle is all that interested
in personal success, at least in the current American sense.  He's in
his own world and probably doesn't think very much about his position
in the "real" world.  If you want a symbol of a current American role
model, I would look at Ben Horne, who furnishes a pretty good symbol
of the dark side of capitalism at least within Twin Peaks.  Eckhardt
would be a more cosmopolitan counterpart to him.

> >    THE MAYOR represents our historic institutions which are
> >      no longer respected, "Is this thing on, can anybody hear me?"
> >      The wisdom and advice of the elderly have no place in modern
> >      America; niether does the sanctity of our elected officals as
> >      even the mayor gets corrupted by Lana.

This goes back to the question of respect for authority.  It seems as
though the mayor is shown to be something of a foolish old man here,
and perhaps the message really is that just because someone is in a
position of authority doesn't mean that they are necessarily wise in
all circumstances.  Figuring out whom to believe and whom to follow is
a very individual and potentially hazardous aspect of finding one's
way to the White Lodge, as it were.

> >    LANA represents the over importance of sexual images in modern
> >      America.  The whole sherrif's office comes to a grinding halt;
> >      the mayor flounders like a fool.

Is it just because sexual images are overly important in modern
America that she has such an effect on men?  It seems more likely that
it's the simple, old-fashioned power of eros to raise the energy level
of everyday life.  She's a very palpable presence, giving a highly
pleasurable jolt to the men who come into contact with her.  Is this
power evil?  Well, historically it has been thought to be, and at
other times it has been seen simply as a part of life.

> >    MAJOR BRIGGS represents the true family man of America past.
> >      He puts personal gain aside for the good of all. "Do you take pride
> >      in your medals?" asks the Log Lady, "No, pride only obscures the 
> >      accomplishment."  He is essentialy to Cooper as Spock was to Kirk.
> >      (We all know Spock is destined to say someday, "My greatest fear
> >      is that Love may not be enough.")

I'm sorry, I really can't see Major Briggs as a true family man.  He
is far too remote from his family for that.  For a true family man,
look at Doc Hayward.  His life seems to really center around his
family.  Major Briggs is on another plane entirely.  The center of his
life is his work, most of which he is unable to share with others. I
think he knows very little of what his wife and son are feeling, other
than on an abstract level, just as they are unable to understand him.
As I've said in a previous posting, I think that love is something he
has tried to cultivate, rather than something that naturally flows
from him.  [And an aside about Spock--I actually am waiting for him to
say that his greatest fear is that Reason is not enough.]

> >    SHELLY JOHNSON is the traditional pre-women's lib American
> >      woman with the advice to save the community, "If everybody would
> >      hold hands, than nobody could make a fist."  Because David Lynch's
> >      character, Gordon Cole, could only hear her, she may be what Lynch
> >      thinks American women should be more like.

Actually, Shelly seems like someone who has always underestimated her
own power and worth, feeling that she has to rely on men to give her
life meaning.  I think her statement quoted above was said in
irony--after all, how many times did she hold Leo's hand and did that
prevent him from being violent?  She seems to have a real knack for
setting herself up to be a victim.  Given that the role of victim or
potential victim seems to be pretty universally distributed to the
young women of Twin Peaks it may well be that David Lynch can only
hear a woman who has "victim" written so deeply into her nature.

And speaking of young women as victims:
> >  LAURA PALMER represents the refusal of American society to 
> >     waken and see that it is dying.  On the outside we are proud
> >     to boast of the robust success of our modern lifestyle, but
> >     on the inside we refuse to see that our spirit is decaying.
> >     This is allegorized by the town of Twin Peak's blindness to
> >     Laura's disease: schizophrenia, which was brought on due to
> >     her father molesting her repeatedly.

Laura did an awful lot in her brief life, and it's interesting that it
was not her involvement with what could be seen as the "modern" evils
of life (drugs, promiscuity) that killed her.  It was an evil which
was much closer to her, and TOOK FORM IN THE ONE PERSON WHO, IN A
TRADITIONAL VIEW OF IDYLLIC AMERICAN LIFE, SHOULD HAVE BEEN A SOURCE
OF SAFETY TO HER.  It's likely that the drugs, etc. were an attempt to
escape from the evil that was right there in her own home.  It seems
to me that an equally strong case could be made that what is being
said here is that, contrary to the beliefs of the 50's, Father doesn't
always know best.  Has this changed since then?  Well, Leland's
possession by BOB does not seem to be a result of his involvement in
the modern corporate world, but rather it dates back to that time in
his childhood by the lake, when one would have expected everything to
be safe and wholesome.  If we're talking about an evil presence here,
it seems pretty timeless.  Furthermore, if there really is a
significance to the implications that something as inexorable and
recurrent as planetary conjunctions can indicate the times when the
Black Lodge would have most power, then it would seem that a return to
a previous image of America would only lead back to the same situation
later.  

"Innocence" implies a lack of knowledge of evil.  Perhaps there was a
state of innocence in America in the 50's.  Or perhaps there is an
official "innocence" in Twin Peaks (although people like Laura and
Shelly are all too aware of the underside of that innocence).  But it
seems to me that the only hope of "good" against "evil" is a knowledge
of what is really happening in homes, families, and secluded natural
places, and of why it is happening.  And the fact is that the veneer
of civilization, whether it be old-fashioned virtues or modern
knowledge and technology, can not cover up the presence of a very dark
side of human nature that has always been there and will always be there.

Barb Miller

For the subscribers to the TP Gazette, by now everyone should have their own TP
address.  Ours is 1043 Lake Boulevard.  Anyone out there on our same street?
We know of two others (who actually work at this University) who have addresses
across the street from us.  We're trying to figure out how these addresses are
assigned - maybe by geographical regions?  Anyway, we're looking for the rest
of our Twin Peaks' Lake Boulevard neighbors.  Drop me a line!
 *********************************
 Diane Southard - Penn State U

In article <1913@tekig7.MAP.TEK.COM> bradn@tekig3.PEN.TEK.COM () writes:
> >One of the recurring symbols in Twin Peaks has been rotating fans and record
> >players.  Now that Windom Earle is interested in celestial clockwork, I can
> >see an explanation of all the rotating stuff:
> >
> >Each one is a reference to the celestial clockwork of Jupiter and Saturn:
> >the rotating fan, the 'ticking' record player Leland loved so, the 'ticking'
> >fan in Donna's attic.  Each one says that the time of the black lodge
> >is returning.
> >Brad Needham
> >bradn@augsburg.pen.tek.com

This is only slightly related, but would anyone care to comment on the 
famous Spinning Fan Symbol?

I have noticed this device in several other films and TV shows, most
memorably in the film "Angel Heart" and the cancelled ABC show "China 
Beach".  It is used as a symbol of death, or perhaps passing into another
"place" (hell, etc.) In "Angel Heart", virtually every scene seemed to 
open or close with a fan sequence, which seemed to be associated with 
a murder.  In "China Beach", the quonset hut where the corpses were
bagged featured a large ventilation fan, prominent in most of the scenes
filmed there.

I suppose the fan blades symbolize the cross, and perhaps the fan just 
sucks the spirits into another place through the use of this cross...
of course, if you have a 3 or 5 bladed fan, the symbolism doesn't work
out so well.

Put your faith in that great Frigidaire in the sky and ye shall be saved!!

jimbo

In <64011@bbn.BBN.COM> mhefferm@bbn.com (Matt Hefferman) writes:

> >In regard to the business about "The gum you like...", I think the typical
> >a.tv.tp over-analysis has obscured the true meaning. If we check the closed-
> >captioning I'm sure we'll find the correct quote to be "The Gumm you like...",
> >referring of course to Frances Gumm (aka Judy Garland). You see, the clue is
> >actually a portent of an another Wizard of Oz allusion (we've seen two already).

> >My prediction: Major Briggs, upon recovering from his truth-serum-induced funk,
> >dispatches Windom Earle with a handy bucket of water.

> >Then again, maybe not.
 
 Incredible.

Independently, and without any connection to this particular chain of
thought, I too zeroed in on the Oz allusion.  The Water-in-the-Jail-Cell
MUST have directed with this in mind.
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It's final week here at Iowa and I will be leaving my account to spend
the summer at home so I thought I would post yet another way that TP
could end.

Towards the end of the last episode after the (hopefully) huge climax
there is voice over asking, "What do you think?."  A voice responds,
"Kinda dark isn't it?"  After a few lingering images, we focus in on
an office where one man is sitting behind a desk facing two men sitting
in front of him.  The two men are Lynch and Frost.  Lynch answers,
"We think it will be popular among those who are tired of sugar-coated
sitcoms and pompous soaps."  After some further conversation, the man
behind the desk finally says, "I don't think so.  ABC can't risk this
much money on something which is sure to be low in the ratings.  Perhaps
you could try to devolop a sitcom that can be filmed cheaply."  Lynch
and Frost leave and we get a very slow zoom in onto the desk.  We read
a name plate--Bob Iger.  We zoom further onto just the word "Bob" and
hear in the background BOB laughing and close the scene to the LMFAP
theme.  The first commercial would, of course, be for Lynch's new
comedy.

Actually, I don't care how TP ends but this way would seem to be one
that would satisfy most of the complaints of the other theories posted
such as making it all a dream.

-- Peter. wilson@iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu ********************************************************************* * "A person is a person | "The life I lead would even * * no matter how small." | make a dead man yawn" * * - Horton | - Klaatu * *********************************************************************

c'est la guerre, etc etc 
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Danny Lieberman writes:
> >just a few minutes ago I skimmed over the article in Sunday's NY TIMES'
> >Arts & Leisure section, about Twin Peaks & COOP... there was no mention
> >at all of alt.tv.twin-peaks... i thought i would see Fiona's name but
> >perhaps I missed it.  Will get a copy later this eve anyway.

An extremely close (with magnifying glass) reading of William Grimes'
_NYT_ article did indeed reveal that he had spoken to me and had read
my article in the _Gazette_ on alt.tv.t-p, but I guess he had no space
to explain about USENET and all that.  I guess all those professors of
communication theory--not to mention the King and Queen of Spain!--were
more important than us peons.  :-) :-)  No biggie.  

On a more substantive note, what did y'all think of his notion that
TV series should become shorter--not run for so many seasons--in order
to maintain a higher aesthetic standard?  I must admit, the prospect of
"Twin Peaks" succumbing to what was called "the Norman Lear syndrome"--
endless spin-offs, endless attempts to milk more money from a dying cow,
is quite dismal.

I'll tell you what I really objected to, in that article.  It was the
strong statement that Peakheads are elitists--that our interest in the
series wanes in direct proportion to how many others are getting
involved, that if it's not "hip" to a small select in-crowd, then we,
like the avant-garde art scene in NYC, will decamp for unsullied
pastures.  Yuk.  Didn't y'all find that comment offensive?

But.  Again:  NO BIGGIE.

--Fiona O.

I know I have seen posts in the past concerning FTP sites
with Twin Peaks information.

Could someone post these sites?

I want to collect as much info as I can while I can.  That
is before the network weasels cancel the most imaginative 
show that has ever hit the tube.


Bert Soto
SWBT, LR, AR

In article <11100226@bfmny0.BFM.COM> tneff@bfmny0.BFM.COM (Tom Neff) writes:
> >In article <1913@tekig7.MAP.TEK.COM> bradn@tekig3.PEN.TEK.COM () writes:
>> >>One of the recurring symbols in Twin Peaks has been rotating fans and record
>> >>players.  Now that Windom Earle is interested in celestial clockwork, I can
>> >>see an explanation of all the rotating stuff:

> >That's just because Earle is an orrery cuss.

Aah, that would explanet.
--
Jeff Nanis                            "I don't write songs about girls anymore;
nanis@ll.mit.edu                                 now I write songs about women.
                       No more boy meets girl, boy loses girl -
   more like man tries to figure out what the hell went wrong."

I KNOW I AM IN THE WRONG SUBJECT CATEGORY BUT I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE ELSE TO TURN.
DID ANYONE SEE THE MOVIE VICTIM OF LOVE.. I TAPED IT BUT MY VCR STOPPED BEFORE
THE END OF THE MOVIE. IF ANYONE SAW IT, PLEASE TELL ME THE END.. I CAN'T SLEEP
AND MY SCHOOL WORK IS BEING AFFECTED.. PLEASE HELP ME. THANKS.

Hello again, I received this well thought-out posting
by Scott that I decided to share it with everybody. I'll decide
on which of his questions to keep in week or so.

Can anybody come up with any more (relevant or irrelevant)?
Which of Scott's questions should I keep?
E-mail to me. I decided to throw in some prizes to the ten highest
scores. I'll post again in a little while.

Scott writes:

> >Here's a few questions to get you started.  A few of them aren't
> >serious, but for the most part they represent things that may
> >or may not get resolved in the last episode.  If I thought about
> >it I could probably come up with more.

> >1)  What is Bob, and can/will he be destroyed?

> >2)  Will we find out the true nature of the White/Black lodges?

> >3)  Will Nadine ever realize her true age again?

> >4)  What (if anything) does Hank's domino signify?

> >5)  Who will win a final showdown between Earle and Cooper?

> >6)  Will we find out where the Major went when he disappeared?

> >7)  What's the story with the log lady?

> >8)  Who is Donna's father?

> >9)  How did Mrs. Hayward get crippled?

> >10)  Why the shaking hands in the last episode?

> >11)  Who are the giant and Senor Drool Cup?  Where do they "live"?

> >12)  Who will win Miss TP?

> >13)  What's the connection between Owl Cave and the Black Lodge?

> >14)  What's the connection between the Lodges and the town?

> >15)  Will Ronnette P. ever wake up?

> >16)  Who's the father of Lucy's baby?

> >17)  Will James ever return?  Does anybody care?

> >18)  What the hell happened to Josie (Bob seems to know)?

> >19)  What's the thing they found inside the black box, and why?

> >20)  Why did old Mrs. Tremond and the creamed corn kid appear for Donna?

> >21)  Will anybody discover that Andrew Packard's alive?

> >22)  What will happen with Ghostwood?

> >23)  Is Ben really a "good guy" now, or is it just an act?

> >24)  Will Leo ever become his old self?

> >25)  Will somebody get smart and beat the living shit out of Katherine?

> >26)  Will Audrey have Wheeler's baby?

> >27)  Why did Annie try to off herself?

> >28)  Will Cooper and Annie live happily ever after?

> >29)  Can they answer all these questions in 2 hours?

> >--Scott V.
> >--
> >@              Scott L. Vandenberg (scottv@cs.wisc.edu)              @
> >@    University of Wisconsin-Madison Computer Sciences Department    @
> >@ 1210 West Dayton Street, Madison, Wisconsin  53706   (608)262-6623 @

Thanks to everyone who responded. 

Tony
antofi@romeo.caltech.edu

Just thought of flogging this moribund horse a little longer:

There is one almost all-encompassing Twin-Peaks FTP site
around. The address is "audrey.sait.edu.au". Don't ask me why we
had to take advantage of a site this far away. Thanks to Peter for
keeping it up. Sorry i forgot the TCP/IP address (e-mail to me if
you need it).

I have found most of the Twin-Peaks sounds and GIFs in the
huge FTP sites in Finland (you Europeans know which ones I mean).

Also, if you have a Mac and want to hear exactly what it is
that has so many Peakers up in arms, i.e. "what did Briggs "mumble""?
check out the Australian site in the MAC-sounds directory. Jason Snell
from UCSD was kind enough to come up with some sound-editing wizardry
and deposit the mumbles there. (the only certain word you can make out
is COMING and that is very clear - check it out for yourself)

If you are downloading the GIFs on a MAC with a B&W monitor
you might think that the quality is very poor. I don't know why this
is, but try to open the files on a color monitor. The pictures are
quite good! Thanks to Darrin Jewell for capturing them.

Also, would anyone please try and capture more GIFs from
the TV? I don't have the hardware or I'll do it myself.

If you encounter any problems with anything e-mail to me.
I'll try to help as much as I am able to.


Ciao
Tony
antofi@romeo.caltech.edu

In article <1991May7.175126.11490@grebyn.com> fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Oceanstar) writes:
> >On a more substantive note, what did y'all think of his notion that
> >TV series should become shorter--not run for so many seasons--in order
> >to maintain a higher aesthetic standard?  I must admit, the prospect of
> >"Twin Peaks" succumbing to what was called "the Norman Lear syndrome"--
> >endless spin-offs, endless attempts to milk more money from a dying cow,
> >is quite dismal.

My boss and I talked about this during the first season -- it
seems like the show could have maintained a higher quality level
overall if it had been shorter -- or if it had been spread out 
more, perhaps as a two-hour film every month or two.  That way Lynch
& Frost could have had a larger presence in all the episodes.

In some ways, I think actually revealing the identity of Laura's
murderer (WKLP) was a sop to the stereotypical TV viewer who 
actually cared who shot J.R. on _Dallas_.  William Grimes suggested
that a lot of people watch _Twin Peaks_ for the Lynchian touches
over the plot.  I'd certainly consider myself to be in that group.

> >I'll tell you what I really objected to, in that article.  It was the
> >strong statement that Peakheads are elitists--that our interest in the
> >series wanes in direct proportion to how many others are getting
> >involved, that if it's not "hip" to a small select in-crowd, then we,
> >like the avant-garde art scene in NYC, will decamp for unsullied
> >pastures.  Yuk.  Didn't y'all find that comment offensive?

I don't know.  While I wouldn't consider myself to be an "elitist",
I'm still pretty disappointed when musical groups or literary movements
I'm interested in are suddenly "discovered" by the mass media and 
large numbers of people.  Maybe it's just me, but it often seems like
the quality goes down and many of the aspects that interested me
begin to be dropped in favor of a more general appeal.

Is it elitism to want something you've enjoyed to stay amazing,
even if a lot of other people hop on the bandwagon?

-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sam Hill Cabal "Them people'll do anything for money. You'd bwdavies@sunrise.bitnetbe surprised. They ain't like us, Doc. bwdavies@rodan.acs.syr.eduThey're Christians." -- Seldom Seen Smith

An interesting bit of trivia...

Did you know that there is a cattle station in the Kimberlies called
Twin Peaks.

There aren't that many owls there though. Just a lot of cattle and dust.

Mind numbing isn't it???

In article <1991May7.122736.24589@daimi.aau.dk> obiwan@daimi.aau.dk (Lars Hvidegaard) writes:
> >
> >
> >
>> >>   dvldjn@cs.umu.se (Daniel Jnsson) writes:
>> >>   > All the time the amount of episodes of the 2nd season has
>> >>   > been claimed to be 22, running once a week (Mondays) we should now
>> >>   > have only four remaining:
>> >>   > 
>> >>   >    2019   May 13th
>> >>   >    2020   May 20th
>> >>   >    2021   May 27th
>> >>   >    2022   June 3rd 
>> >>   > 
>> >>   > There you have it!
>> >>   > They haven't said anything about any changes on the national
>> >>   > broadcasting company, so I assume that this time table is still the 
>> >>   > one that is going to be followed!
> >
>> >>   Eat your hearts out, Swedes!! We Norwegians are three days ahead of you!
>> >>   Heh-heh...
> >
>> >>   Roar Larsen,
>> >>   Trondheim, Norway
> >
> >
> >Claw your eyes out Norwegians!! We Danes are one day ahead of you! (and will
> >always be!!)
> >Heh-heh...hahahaha...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
> >
> >Lars Hvidegaard
> >Aarhus, Denmark

Dang, I guess this show IS popular in Europe... :-)
C'mon, Icelanders, we're waiting to hear from you!!
How many days before the Danes are you guys going to see the last episode,
and...
are you guys going to buy Ghostwood, or what???  :-)

                     --Albert Woo

P.S.  Well, I guess we in the U.S. will still get to see it before the 
Australians...  :-)

Please would someone email me the monolgue that ends

".......Fire walk with me".

Thank you.

bwdavies@rodan.acs.syr.edu writes:

> >In article <1991May7.175126.11490@grebyn.com> fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Oceanstar) writes:
>> >>...

>> >>I'll tell you what I really objected to, in that article.  It was the
>> >>strong statement that Peakheads are elitists--that our interest in the
>> >>series wanes in direct proportion to how many others are getting
>> >>involved, that if it's not "hip" to a small select in-crowd, then we,
>> >>like the avant-garde art scene in NYC, will decamp for unsullied
>> >>pastures.  Yuk.  Didn't y'all find that comment offensive?

> >I don't know.  While I wouldn't consider myself to be an "elitist",
> >I'm still pretty disappointed when musical groups or literary movements
> >I'm interested in are suddenly "discovered" by the mass media and 
> >large numbers of people.  Maybe it's just me, but it often seems like
> >the quality goes down and many of the aspects that interested me
> >begin to be dropped in favor of a more general appeal.

> >Is it elitism to want something you've enjoyed to stay amazing,
> >even if a lot of other people hop on the bandwagon?

Maybe yes, maybe no, but at any rate it's quite un-American.  It is a fact of modern American culture that anything that becomes extremely popular by definition appeals to huge masses of people, whose tastes for whatever reasons are not the same as those of the people who generally post to this group.  I think that one internalizes that fact so that when something begins to get sucked into popular culture we withdraw.  

I thought that The Simpsons contained strokes of genius, was pleased by its popularity, rooted for it against Cosby, and was amused (OK, angered) by school and government officials who blamed it for all our failures, but after a certain density of T-shirts was reached, it became hard to look forward to.  I also enjoyed Cheers, America's #1 show in its true heydays but it always appealed on multiple levels (smart writing and lots of yuks) and managed to stay out of the T-shirt business.

If TP had been the favorite show of every Joe in America, it wouldn't have been the TP we know and love.  I recently railed on about anti-intellectualism in America, so I won't do it again here.  But the fact remains that what most of us netters want in a TV show is not what will really succeed, unless it succeeds on another level (eg, Cheers, Rocky and Bullwinkle) and then we are conditioned to withdraw if its success crosses certain boundaries.

I suppose I'm an elitist because of some of these opinions.  But the Hipness accusation is unfair.  The problem here is the prospect of compromise to please the mainstream, not familiarity only to some in group.  Difficulty accepting the former may make me an elitist; what Mr. Grimes describes are snobs.

- Alan Snyder
--
asnyder@ernie.artorg.hmc.psu.edu

In article <1991May8.013849.9945@nntp-server.caltech.edu> antofi@romeo.caltech.edu (Figl, Antonio) writes:


> >   If you are downloading the GIFs on a MAC with a B&W monitor
> >   you might think that the quality is very poor. I don't know why this
> >   is, but try to open the files on a color monitor. The pictures are
> >   quite good! Thanks to Darrin Jewell for capturing them.
> >
> >   Also, would anyone please try and capture more GIFs from
> >   the TV? I don't have the hardware or I'll do it myself.
> >
> >   If you encounter any problems with anything e-mail to me.
> >   I'll try to help as much as I am able to.

wow.. i'm surprised to see my name pop up on the net still.. 
i haven't had the time to post or do much else lately...
and it's quite a complement.

In any case...  I first want to apologize to all the e-mail i have
received about the tp pictures that i haven't replied to..
it's been months since i've done anything new, and i'm still being
swamped with e-mail about them, complements, suggestions, questions, help..
etc... but even more, i'm being swamped with schoolwork here at MIT...

classes will be out in a few weeks though, and i guess i'll be able to 
do some more then...  over the summer... in spare time (what's that?)

So.. if you'd like, e-mail me with suggestions, etc... 
i can make the pictures in almost any format and better black and 
white toning can probably be managed...

I'M STILL NOT GOING TO GUARANTEE ANYTHING...

but i'll see what i have a chance to do when AND IF i get around to it...

in any case.. i appreciate all the help, etc so far from everyone...

HAVE A DAY
   -darrin

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In article <1991May5.012939.1633@cs.dal.ca> falkenha@ug.cs.dal.ca (Craig R. Falkenham) writes:

   In case you're wondering, I'm the one who posted the message that I had a 
   copy of the 2-page Twin Peaks board game about a month ago.

   I received a message from someone who said the following:

   Maybe you've heard this already, but the U.S. Post Office
   will not allow me to purchase Canadian postage; hence I
   can't really send you a self-addressed, stamped envelope.
   How have others been handling this delimma?  I don't mean
   to cause a big deal when you're doing something so nice,
   so please let me know whatever I can do to help.

   Well, I don't know too much about the Postal Service, but here goes.

   This scenario seems to be sound to me:  on both envelopes, put whatever
   postage you would normally use for a letter.  Of course, because of the
   size (8.5 * 11), it might cost more, you'd have to check with the Post
   Office.  Of course, I live in Nova Scotia and the rules elsewhere might
   be different.  When in doubt, ask Mom.

No, the real solution is to purchase an international reply coupon at
the U.S. Post office.  Purchasers on this side will need to know how
much the item being mailed back weighs, so they will be able to
purchase the appropriate amount of postage.  I assume this get
exchanged at the Canadian P.O. for the appropriate amount in stamps,
but I've never been on the receiving end of one these coupons.

-30-
Bob

In article <iqwF22w163w@zitt> joe@zitt (Joe Zitt) writes:
   maus@Morgan.COM (Malcolm Austin) writes:
   > In article <1991May2.141558.23912@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> ian@lerch.jpl.nasa.gov 
   > <E N D S I E O S S E U L E I.
   > <
   > <Not particularly enlightening, is it?
   > <
   > <Has anybody out there figured out more of the code?
   > 
   > It's not a code.  There is no message.  It's just a "news flash" sound effect
   > Good thought, though.
   > 
   This would seem to be, in a sense, straightforward, as a transmission from a
   character displaced in time and space, trying to communicate with humans. The
   strong sender does not interact well with our languages or time sense.

   Thus, the message breaks down into:

   END= End (English)
   SI= Yes
   EOS= End of Segment
   SEUL= Alone? (French?)
   E= And (Italian)
   I= I (English)

Nice try, but it's really Lower Slobovian for ``I have a bridge for
sale.''  However, there are some who say the answer lies in the
following passage from the Codex Stultitiana:

Moe: It's Morse Code; take it down.  Well, what does it say?
Larry: Dit-dit-di-di-dit.  Dit-dit-di-di-dit.

-30-
Bob

``It's the blimp, Frank, it's the blimp.  The mother ship!''

This is a repost - forgot to format lines in the last one - sorry...

bwdavies@rodan.acs.syr.edu writes:

> >In article <1991May7.175126.11490@grebyn.com> fi@grebyn.com (Fiona
Oceanstar) writes:  >>...

>> >>I'll tell you what I really objected to, in that article.  It was the
>> >>strong statement that Peakheads are elitists--that our interest in
the >>series wanes in direct proportion to how many others are getting
>> >>involved, that if it's not "hip" to a small select in-crowd, then we,
>> >>like the avant-garde art scene in NYC, will decamp for unsullied
>> >>pastures.  Yuk.  Didn't y'all find that comment offensive?

> >I don't know.  While I wouldn't consider myself to be an "elitist",
> >I'm still pretty disappointed when musical groups or literary
movements >I'm interested in are suddenly "discovered" by the mass
media and >large numbers of people.  Maybe it's just me, but it often
seems like >the quality goes down and many of the aspects that
interested me >begin to be dropped in favor of a more general appeal.

> >Is it elitism to want something you've enjoyed to stay amazing, >even
if a lot of other people hop on the bandwagon?

Maybe yes, maybe no, but at any rate it's quite un-American.  It is a
fact of modern American culture that anything that becomes extremely
popular by definition appeals to huge masses of people, whose tastes
for whatever reasons are not the same as those of the people who
generally post to this group.  I think that one internalizes that fact
so that when something begins to get sucked into popular culture we
withdraw.

I thought that The Simpsons contained strokes of genius, was pleased by
its popularity, rooted for it against Cosby, and was amused (OK,
angered) by school and government officials who blamed it for all our
failures, but after a certain density of T-shirts was reached, it
became hard to look forward to.  I also enjoyed Cheers, America's #1
show in its true heydays but it always appealed on multiple levels
(smart writing and lots of yuks) and managed to stay out of the T-shirt
business.

If TP had been the favorite show of every Joe in America, it wouldn't
have been the TP we know and love.  I recently railed on about
anti-intellectualism in America, so I won't do it again here.  But the
fact remains that what most of us netters want in a TV show is not what
will really succeed, unless it succeeds on another level (eg, Cheers,
Rocky and Bullwinkle) and then we are conditioned to withdraw if its
success crosses certain boundaries.

I suppose I'm an elitist because of some of these opinions.  But the
Hipness accusation is unfair.  The problem here is the prospect of
compromise to please the mainstream, not familiarity only to some in
group.  Difficulty accepting the former may make me an elitist; what
Mr. Grimes describes are snobs.

- Alan Snyder -- asnyder@ernie.artorg.hmc.psu.edu
--
asnyder@ernie.artorg.hmc.psu.edu

In article <1991May8.032410.18417@rodan.acs.syr.edu>, bwdavies@rodan.acs.syr.edu writes:
> > In article <1991May7.175126.11490@grebyn.com> fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Oceanstar) writes:
>> >>I'll tell you what I really objected to, in that article.  It was the
>> >>strong statement that Peakheads are elitists--that our interest in the
>> >>series wanes in direct proportion to how many others are getting
>> >>involved, that if it's not "hip" to a small select in-crowd, then we,
>> >>like the avant-garde art scene in NYC, will decamp for unsullied
>> >>pastures.  Yuk.  Didn't y'all find that comment offensive?
> > 
> > I don't know.  While I wouldn't consider myself to be an "elitist",
> > I'm still pretty disappointed when musical groups or literary movements
> > I'm interested in are suddenly "discovered" by the mass media and 
> > large numbers of people.  Maybe it's just me, but it often seems like
> > the quality goes down and many of the aspects that interested me
> > begin to be dropped in favor of a more general appeal.
> > 
> > Is it elitism to want something you've enjoyed to stay amazing,
> > even if a lot of other people hop on the bandwagon?

They picked the wrong word.  I don't like to follow the masses either.
My skin crawls everytime one of my favorite bands sells out and then
everybody loves it and I hate it.

Maybe it's just that we don't buy into all the marketing bullshit and don't
like things diluted for the "general audience".  There's something
intriguing in the unusual and the original that is lost when it goes
commercial.  When something then gets that popular they forget about
the original fan and only seek to please the masses.  i.e.  Duran Duran,
Pet Shop Boys, Billy Idol, etc...

I wouldn't call that elitest.  It is abandoned by the fan, because the
fan was already abandoned.

Just because I'm not the average American pinhead and don't go gaga over
America's Home Videos, Danielle Steele or New Kids on the Block, doesn't
make me or anyone else an elitest.  I'm offended because they said that
because we don't fit into their idea of the average American.  Who says
we have to like what everyone else likes?  What happened to freedom of
choice?  Once again the "moral majority" passes judgement.

At least we're not wienies and pretend to like something just because
everyone else does.

--Cool Bean
-- **This is not cultural.

In article <1991May8.114438.8036@cc.curtin.edu.au> ssguest02@cc.curtin.edu.au writes:
> >An interesting bit of trivia...
> >
> >Did you know that there is a cattle station in the Kimberlies called
> >Twin Peaks.
> >
> >There aren't that many owls there though. Just a lot of cattle and dust.
> >
> >Mind numbing isn't it???

Not really.  I bet there are bunches of Twin Peaks's around.  There's a place
up in the San Gabriel Mountains north of Pasadena, CA called Twin Peaks.  My
friend (named Bob, seriously) has hiked up there.

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| "I'm in my underwear and I want to talk about DEATH!"    Jet Propulsion Lab |
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In article <3511@kluge.fiu.edu> ii7gjg0b@serss0.fiu.edu (Jim Stafford) writes:
> >In article <1991May1.151427.1412@solbourne.com> gerber@solbourne.com (Andrew Gerber) writes:
>> > >Just to deny some rumours, the Twin Peaks trading cards have not been
>> > >cancelled.  You can order you own set for $19.95 + $3 s/h by calling
>> > >Star Pics at 1-800-877-2757.  
 
I only want to know one thing that is on those cards and I can't spare the
$20 to find out.
 
Would someone who has the cards please post the astrological signs of the
main characters.  Jacobi =  Aquarius etc.

Please?
 
ann h.

In article <1991May6.215440.5917@ulowell.ulowell.edu> mbouthil@hawk.ulowell.edu (  (Aug 24 1990)  Mark Bouthillier) writes:
>>>> >>> >From: rhaller@phloem.uoregon.edu
>>>> >>> >somehow aware of WE's intentions towards Miss TP and intends to thwart him,
>>>> >>> >perhaps using her special power to cloud men's minds, as it were.  Don't forget
>>> >>>   Come on... I know that one of the themes of the show is "things
>>> >>>   are not what they seem," but could Lana really be hiding such intellectual
>>> >>>   capacity?  Remember her lines at the wine tasting party?  "By smellin'"
>> >>
>> >>There's a difference between "intellectual capacity" and "special
>> >>powers".  In terms of sheer intellectual capacity, WE probably has
> > What I meant was that it seems doubtful that Lana has the
> >"intellectual capacity" to be "somehow aware of WE..."
> >                                       ^^^^^
> >
Lana doesn't even have to hide her intellectual capacity. No one cares.
Her IQ could be anything from 1 to 200 for all anyone knows.  But if she
has special powers she could be quite aware of WE.
 
a.h.

In article <91127.181209EQMBB@CUNYVM.BITNET> EQMBB@CUNYVM.BITNET writes:
> >I KNOW I AM IN THE WRONG SUBJECT CATEGORY BUT I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE ELSE TO TURN.
> >DID ANYONE SEE THE MOVIE VICTIM OF LOVE.. I TAPED IT BUT MY VCR STOPPED BEFORE
> >THE END OF THE MOVIE. IF ANYONE SAW IT, PLEASE TELL ME THE END.. I CAN'T SLEEP
> >AND MY SCHOOL WORK IS BEING AFFECTED.. PLEASE HELP ME. THANKS.

That was one hell of a movie, wasn't it?!   
Like 9 1/2 Weeks meets Fatal Attraction on a Jagged Edge.

I will tell you what happend by e-mail.
 
Yours compassionately,
a.h.

There are probably a significant number of us who don't have access to
the ny times. I was wondering if there is some kind soul who could
post it on the net. thank you.

Louie

There's a pop song out called "Silent Lucidity."  Now then,
within this song, after a diatribe about lucid dreaming, a
woman's voice calls out "Help me..."  Something about that
struck me as Lynch-ian (Blue Velvet, I thought).  Then I'm
watching the second episode from TP's first season (the
one right after the 2-hour pilot).  Dig this scene:

Right after James is returned to his cell, and before the
scene where Donna is asking her mom why her mom let her
over sleep (instead of going to see Truman), there's a replay
of the Laura/Donna picnic video, _played to no one in
particular_.  Just for us at home.  Near the end of this
scene, Laura beams at the camera, gives a kiss, and then
the camera starts its close up of her face.  In a distant
echo, Laura's voice calls out... "Help Me..."

Now then, I guess there's two ways to view this.  Either this
was supposed to be the cry for help of a young woman sufferin'
from a bad case of duality, OR this was an actual cry from
a victim of the Black Lodge.  Not that I think Lynch had the
vagest notion of the White/Black Lodge/Dugpas scenario yet.
However, could be that Theresa/Laura/Maddie/Josie are all
entrapped there and this was a call from Laura... oh, well,
makes a cool shutdown sound for my Mac at least.

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Louie Louie writes:
> >There are probably a significant number of us who don't have access to
> >the ny times. I was wondering if there is some kind soul who could
> >post it on the net. thank you.

Ooops... I completely forgot to tell you: I did ask William Grimes that
if he interviewed me, he'd have to give me permission to type the thing
into alt.tv.twin-peaks.  He said, "No problem."  However, I don't have
a copy of the dern article--I was up in New Joizy over the weekend, and
I left it up there.  So... if some long-suffering soul wants to
volunteer....

But actually, Louie, it's hard to imagine anyone who has access to
USENET, not having access to the _NYT_.  I'm sure there's a library in
La-La Land that subscribes.

--Fiona O.

x> If I see, hear, or even feel the vibrations in the ether of
x> *any* derivative of the phrase politically correct *ONE* more
x> time I am going to scream.
a> That's exactly why I like to use the offending phrase, because
a> it lets the reader experience the same pain that I feel when
a> I am forced to hear yet again, some political line that I'm
a> utterly sick to death of!
___
__  Pfui.  The phrase is garbage.  While originally devised to
_   describe "political lines," it is now misused to attribute
    the negative trappings of such lines to anyone who dares to
    make a comment betraying an insufficiency of ultra-hip apathy.
    The phrase is the tool of the person who would avoid the
    debate by flaming the debater.
___
__  Indeed, Ann, some of your own comments would be flamed as
_   "politically correct" if you were to post them to a less
    friendly newsgroup.
    <_Jym_>

:::.-----.::: Jym Dyer :::::: jym@mica.berkeley.edu :::.______.:::
::/  o o  \::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::| Damn |\::
::\ \___/ /:: I put my panties on one leg at a time. ::| Fine |/::
:::`-----':::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::`------':::

>> > >Finally, is it just me, or is Twin Peaks laden with sexual inuendo?
> >  
>> > >("One-Eyed Jack's" could refer to a penis and not a card, "Twin Peaks" could 
>> > >be a female chest....  Knowing David Lynch likes his sexual metaphors (Blue 
>> > >Velvet, Wild at Heart), this could be true....)

isn't that exactly what One-Eyed-Jack meant in Wild at Heart? I don't
remember the exact line now, but when I watched WAH I felt like a part
of TP had suddenly been explained to me...can someone with WAH on tape
transcribe the exact line??
--
Jim Morton, Applix Inc., Westboro, MA
...uunet!applix!jim    jim@applix.com

fi@grebyn.com (Fiona Oceanstar) writes:

> > On a more substantive note, what did y'all think of his notion that
> > TV series should become shorter--not run for so many seasons--in order
> > to maintain a higher aesthetic standard?  I must admit, the prospect of
> > "Twin Peaks" succumbing to what was called "the Norman Lear syndrome"--
> > endless spin-offs, endless attempts to milk more money from a dying cow,
> > is quite dismal.

I agree. I think if one were to take Twin Peaks and re-edit into some
sort idealised version, it would have run about thirteen episodes. It looks
like the show was only preplanned in any detail up through the WKLP climax;
for all the intriguing stuff that's passed since (the whole Lodge business,
for example), the show has been a whole lot less taut since WKLP was revealed.

Frankly, I don't think the planners had any idea how to continue, other than
some idea of the Good/Evil issues. Even Windom Earle feels like an afterthought.

Most forms of fiction are finite and shaped. That TV shows tend to go on
until they fall over is a peculiarity of the medium, and may well be a bug
not a feature.

Of course, they could pull a coup in the closer that would reveal that
everything was significant, and that the key figure in the whole mess was
Evelyn Marsh... but I doubt it.

It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916