Season 2, Episode 20: The Path to the Black Lodge — April 18–June 09, 1991

In article <2455@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>,
adm@cs.man.ac.uk (Alan Murta) writes: 
> > Here in the UK, the newly created Broadcasting Standards Council has just
> > upheld its first complaint -- regarding an episode of Twin Peaks. Eight
> > viewers (out of an audience of somewhere near 3.5 million, I think) complained
> > that the scene showing the murder of Maddie Ferguson by Leland/BOB was
> > unsuitable for public viewing. The Broadcasting Standards Council agreed.
> > 
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In article <12815@aggie.ucdavis.edu> ez002797@pollux.ucdavis.edu () writes:
> >In article <91118.003413KRK4@psuvm.psu.edu> KRK4@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
>> >>I think, but am not sure, that the dark circle on the ground when BOB appears
>> >>is the remains of Maj. Briggs' and Cooper's fire from when the major disappear
>> >>ed. (A possible connection?)

God, I hate long lines.

> >Hmmm.  I don't think so.  Briggs' and Coop's fire should long be out.

He didn't say the fire was still burning, he said "the reamins of Maj.
Briggs' and Cooper's fire", which is what, as far as I can tell, it
is. 

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Peter--push the plug" --Josie Packard

> >From: steele@athena.cs.uga.edu (Frank Steele)
> >Subject: Two thoughts....
> >How did Nadine gain her incredible strength? When she tried to kill herself?
Actually, maybe she's always been super strong but we just didn't see 
much of it until last fall.  There was the scene before her suicide attempt 
where she was working out on a rower and ended up bending the metal "arms" 
of the rower all the way to the floor.  She also used to race around 
the house and even nearly knocked Ed over when her drape runners were 
working well.

Also, is there some "fish" symbolism that I may not be aware of?
Fish have been referred to in the "fish in the percolator" scene, and
the "tea at Margaret's place" scene ("the fish aren't running").  There's
also the discovery of Laura's body when Pete had "Gone fishin'."  Now
he's going fishing again with Audrey (I guess)-- what will he find?

Rocky Giovinazzo

> >From: adm@cs.man.ac.uk (Alan Murta)
> >Subject: UK Broadcasting Standards Council critical of TP
> >
> >Here in the UK, the newly created Broadcasting Standards Council has just
> >upheld its first complaint -- regarding an episode of Twin Peaks. Eight
> >viewers (out of an audience of somewhere near 3.5 million, I think) complained
> >that the scene showing the murder of Maddie Ferguson by Leland/BOB was
> >unsuitable for public viewing. The Broadcasting Standards Council agreed.
I am amazed to hear this.  I thought that this was one of the most 
amazing scenes of the entire season.  Sorry to be so wishy-washy, 
but I nearly cried.  The only other scenes that came close to having this effect
were seeing Audrey cry while Leland went crazy to some big band music (P6500?)
and maybe watching Donna watch her best friend Laura on video.  
Is TP broadcast early in the evening in the UK or something?
Since TP in the UK is about 6 months (?) behind the US, why didn't
the Broadcasting Standards Council know about the scene ahead of time?
Surely they must have known that many murder scenes have been included in
the show.

Rocky Giovinazzo

"Twin Peaks" is all the rage in Hong Kong.

According to the (brief) article, advertising boards on taxicabs all over the
city bear pictures of Joan Chen on one side and Bart Simpson on the other.
(I'm not making this up.)

But newspaper columnists and radio/tv talk show hosts have been working over
"Peaks" for most of the spring.

Barry Campbell
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In article <3530@beguine.UUCP> George.Harris@bbs.acs.unc.edu (George Harris) writes:
> >
> >Well, I don't think Pete actually saw Josie in the Great Northern.
I just rewatched this scene on tape, so I though I'd bring up a few
points (sorry if they've been said before).

o   Pete does wave towards where he was looking, but it's sort of a
half-hearted, self-conscious wave.

o   The area he was looking at didn't seem to have any wood around it;
it looked like all stone.

o   I couldn't quite tell, but it looked like there was some sort of
painting (maybe abstract) where Pete was looking.
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In article <1991Apr29.031927.17169@cec1.wustl.edu> jab0396@cec2.wustl.edu (John A. Breen) writes:

> >o   I couldn't quite tell, but it looked like there was some sort of
> >painting (maybe abstract) where Pete was looking.

Looked like a redwood burl.  Fairly common in Northern California (and
points north?) as a decorative element.

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Peter--push the plug" --Josie Packard

Well, I just caught up on the past two weeks of the newsgroup (after haing
been incredibly busy for awhile)...

My favorite prediction is that Laura will, indeed, be chosen Miss Twin Peaks.
This could well drive Windom Earl right over the edge, since the person he
had planned to kill dramatically is >already dead<!

I haven't checked my tape, but I believe that the Mayor said that one of the
other judges would be Norma Jennings (I forget the third).  This would lead
to serious complications were Annie to run -- but not as bad as if Lana were
to win, and her connection (as it were) to the Mayor were known.

The big hint I got from the book however, was...

... that Agent Cooper either does not survive the battle, or does not remaing
on this plane. The "editor" of the autobiography is missing some critical
information that, if Coop were still around, he could have asked him. Similarly,
the editor seems to consider Cooper an important enough character to compile
and publish the tapes. This would seem most likely were Coop either a known
hero or a known mystery figure.

I think that if TP continues, funded by the Europeans or something, it will
have a radically different focus.

I heard the term that others heard as Dugpas as "Dookwus". I swiveled right
around and whooped, since the term was so similar to the Bookwus, about which
someone had posted early in the history of the group.

Another favorite prediction: that Ben will be revealed to have fathered then
killed Laura, after all, with BOB using Leland as a temporary stooge. Ben
would not remember it, and BOB might well have planted false memories in Leland,
as another stage in his game of "Freak the Humans". I think this might give
maximum back-for-the-buck, with WKLP actually only >appearing< to have been
answered in 2007-9. This, along with Laura's reappearance and Cooper's death
or transfiguration would bring the show to a pleasing though disorienting
sense of closure.

I, for one, will be glad when Twin Peaks ends, for purely selfish reasons
-- it's taking up almost as much of my time as my so-called "real" life.

On the other hand, whatever happened to that big book that one of the Frosts
was working on, showing the history of Twin Peaks, focusing on 40 years ago?


It is happening again.      It is happening again.      It is happening again.
Joe Zitt ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe (512)450-1916

In article <12815@aggie.ucdavis.edu> ez002797@pollux.ucdavis.edu () writes:
> >In article <91118.003413KRK4@psuvm.psu.edu> KRK4@psuvm.psu.edu writes:
<<
<<And didn't Ben Horne have a wife in a very early episode?  (At the dinner tab
<<le when Jerry appears?)  And how did Eileen come to be in a wheelchair 
<<anyway?  Is Ben or the Doc responsible for that?
<
<   Yes, Ben's wife (Audrey and Johnny's mother) was in a few shows.  The pilot
<and in the show where we meet Jerry Horne.  The Eileen in a wheelchair idea
<parallel's Nadine's missing eye nicely.
<

And, you will notice, when Donna finds her birth certificate, she also finds
several snapshots of her mom, the doc, and Ben.  It at least one of them (the
Halloween party) her mom is standing.

So we can rule out childhood accidents, and "crippled from birth".  Eileen's 
condition, accident or disease, is relatively recent.  I'm betting "accident".

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I was re-watching the last episode of TWIN PEAKS last Thursday (needed my fix,
you know) and I noticed something interesting about the scene in the diner
between Cooper and Annie, which ends with their kiss, the crash of crockery,
and the slow-motion shot of dripping coffee.

This isn't a "I think BOB is in the coffepot" or "Didya see the 'Hearty Beaver 
Stew'?" sort of article,  just a comment on how that scene was put together.

The scene opens with a cut from JJWheeler getting in his plane to a close-up
of the Miss Twin Peaks flyer on the counter.  Annie's hand sweeps into view 
and crumples the paper.  Then Cooper's hand closes over hers, and the camera
zooms out and pans up and rightward to a medium shot of Cooper and Annie, or,
as Gordon would say, "A MEDIUM FRONTAL SHOT OF TWO ADULTS SHARING A TENDER
MOMENT."

For the next ninety seconds, as Cooper and Annie talk about St. Augustine, 
Heisenburg, and bowling, the camera slowly pulls back, exposing more of the 
surrounding diner, maintaining a deep focus.  By the time Cooper leans in to 
kiss Annie, they are in a long shot, nearly in the background of the frame.
The music accompaning this movement is soft, threatening, and toneless.  The 
sound level of their conversation does not change.

This is an interesting camera motion.  I certainly didn't notice it the first
time I saw the scene.  I think it causes the sense of dread, or feeling that
Cooper and Annie are being watched, that several people have mentioned about
this scene.  

Slight spoiler for THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS in the following paragraph:


By the time the camera has finished moving, the composition of the scene is 
absurdly long for a private conversation.  Cooper and Annie are almost
lost in the detail that comes in on the right side, and the waitress that
repeatedly crosses in front of them from the left.  The overall feeling is 
that they are slipping out of our sight.  It reminded me of the closing 
credits in THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS, as Lector walks away, becoming lost in
the crowd.

The tension is finally broken with a cut to a close-up as Cooper kisses
Annie.  But then the crockery falls with a crash, and we cut, first to an
above close-up of the mess on the floor, then back to Cooper and Annie looking
down, and then to the famous (dare I say "Lynchian") slow-motion close-up of
coffee dripping like life's blood.

A more normal camera move during this scene would have been a track in, with 
the camera approaching Cooper and Annie.  This would have caused a more intense
feeling that they were being watched or stalked.  Certainly TWIN PEAKS has used
many such shots, often appearing to be POV shots of BOB or other discorporeal 
entities.  But the backwards movement, combined with the dire music, effective-
ly produced a sense of doom or sadness while remaining very subtle.  It is as 
if the two of them are being abandoned, not hunted.

The fact that this was a complete ninety second shot without cutting contri-
butes further to the feeling building in the scene.  Also, the moving camera 
contributes to the "they're being watched" feeling, even though it did not 
appear to be a POV shot.

The final shot of the scene, with the (extremely high-quality) slow motion
shot of dripping coffee fades, as does the music, into Audrey & Pete chasing
JJWheeler's plane.  This whole scene was just dropped within the more prosaic
action at the airport, increasing its dreaminess and ominous quality.  A nice
Sickafoosian touch.  (That's for you, R o d :^)

Well, that's more than enough from me, whose total training in film has come
from watching the extras in Criterion laserdiscs.  I don't reemeber seeing 
the director's name (Stephen Gyllenhaal) elsewhere, but I certainly thought
he (as well as Bambi and the rest of the editing staff) did a great job on
this episode.  I now yield the tube to people who know what they're talking
about.
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I read in a recent issue of TV guide that the Twin Peaks trading cards
featuring our favorite characters has been cancelled.  Can anyone verify
this?

bert nelson
weber state university
bnelson@cc.weber.edu (internet)

> >From: joe@zitt (Joe Zitt)
> >Subject: Re: Miss Twin Peaks
> >Hmm... This would seem to be a really nice tie-together -- and Lynch
> >already has footage of Sheryl Lee floating in midair as a Symbol of Good...
Have we seen this footage on TP?  I don't remember it.

Rocky Giovinazzo

 I watched the European version of the Twin Peaks pilot the other night,
the one where they solve the murder at the end of the movie. In this version,
Mrs. Palmer remembers looking through Laura's bedroom the morning she
was discovered missing, and we see a shot showing almost the whole room,
with Laura's bed on the left side. In both versions, this scene was
first shown within about the first 15 minutes. In the European version, then,
as Mrs. Palmer flashes back to this scene, she sees BOB at the foot of Laura's
bed. He's very hard to see, because he's in the shadows. Now, I don't have
the first 15 minutes of the American pilot, so I was wondering if someone
could go back and look at this scene (in the American version) and see if there
is any sign of BOB at the foot of Laura's bed, or if looks like something
has been airbrushed out. I think they used the same footage in both versions
for the first couple of hours or so.

   Someone not too long ago posted about having deciphered the Morse code
message at the end of the last episode shown. Well, in the pilot during
the scene where Coop and Harry are examining Laura's body in the morgue, the
lights starting going on and off. I wonder if this person who knows Morse
code could go back and look at this scene and see if there's any hidden
message there.

   In the pilot, there's a scene where Coop is addressing the townspeople
in some public hall. Well, Mayor Millford is there, and when Coop asks
him to speak, he goes up to the mike, taps it, and says "Is this thing
working?", just like he did in the last episode shown, just before the
Giant shows up with his incomplete pass antics!

    Other people have already mentioned this, but the night Laura died,
she was riding around with James on his bike, and she jumped off at
the corner of something and Sparkwood! Another reference, or maybe the first,
to the fire and wood theme.

Jeff Kouba
Dept. of Physics and Astronomy
University of Iowa
INET: jak@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu

In article <16909@chaph.usc.edu>, ramos@aludra.usc.edu (Luis Ramos) writes:
> > In article <1991Apr26.134614.1@edseq1.llnl.gov> brinkman@edseq1.llnl.gov writes:
>> >>   Well, yes and no.  They didn't exactly run a Twin Peaks episode, but
>> >>a show called "Crimes of the Century."  As the above poster stated, it
>> >>was narrated by Gordon Cole (aka David Lynch).  
> > 
> > SINCE I MISSED THIS SHOW, I AM CURIOUS TO KNOW WHETHER GORDON COLE SPOKE IN HIS
> > USUAL LOUD VOICE ALL THROUGHOUT HIS NARRATION?
> > 
> > Louie

YES, HE DID.  ALTHOUGH, THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH THE SOUND SO THAT SOMETIMES
YOU COULDN'T HEAR HIM AT ALL.

--Cool Bean
-- **This is not cultural.

In <91115.135148TEF102@psuvm.psu.edu> TEF102@psuvm.psu.edu writes:

#I think that Killer BOB is still alive and that he just spent time in the black
#lodge to become all powerful.  It seems to me that the last time Jupiter and
#Saturn aligned, maybe sometime during Leland's childhood, Bob entered the black
#lodge.  While in the lodge he learned all its secrets and gained many powers.
#From the black lodge he could send his spiritual essence out to possess other
#people. Now that Jupiter and Saturn have once again aligned, the doorway is
#again open, so that BOB can get out to create mischief in Twin Peaks personally
# Since time has no meaning in the black lodge, he has not really aged, and he
#is the same age he was upon entering the lodge, only now he has much more power
#Undoubtedly, he will seek out Windom Earle. Why? Could be he would like to have
#an apprentice, a partner, or needs a replacement. Or it could be that "That
#town ain't beeg enough for the both of 'em."
#
#
#                                            Ted

I think of it as the opposite.  Bob has been out of the Black Lodge for 20 years
and has been inhabiting people.  He, like other Black Lodge folks has been
using the Owls as interim hosts while looking for new hosts.

Could be either way.  Neither answers all the questions, but maybe June 10 will.

sj

PS  I doubt Bob will seek out WE.  If anything, it seems to be the other way
    around.

Maybe the reference to "Jupiter and Saturn meeting" doesn't have 
anything to do with a conjunction at all. The two constellations respectively
associated with those two planets, Sagittarius and Capricorn, are sequential--
maybe the "meeting" relates to the date that's the node between them?
But then, it isn't the right time of year for that within the show, 
is it?



-- MUDname: Sidera "...If I seem to give a damn, please tell me. I would University of Delaware hate to be giving the wrong impression."

In a previous article, jak@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu () says:
> >
> >   Someone not too long ago posted about having deciphered the Morse code
> >message at the end of the last episode shown. Well, in the pilot during
> >the scene where Coop and Harry are examining Laura's body in the morgue, the
> >lights starting going on and off. I wonder if this person who knows Morse
> >code could go back and look at this scene and see if there's any hidden
> >message there.

I remember someone saying that they thought it was morse code and that maybe
they had translated part of it but not all.  Maybe I missed it. So, if anyone
knows what the Morse Code at the end says, could they repost it or email me
telling me what it says?  Thanks

Keith
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waco@bellevue.hahahaha writes:

> > In article <DLBRES10.91Apr28201821@pc.usl.edu>, dlbres10@pc.usl.edu (Fraering
>> > >This is in response tto Jeff Davis's post concerning why he thought TP
>> > >was failing:
>> > > 
>> > >So what it basically comes down to, is, Lynch doesn't subscribe
>> > >to your view of 'political correctness?'
>> > > 
> > If I see, hear, or even feel the vibrations in the ether of *any* derivative
> > of the phrase politically correct *ONE* more time I am going to scream.
> > 
> > If I see it put in quotation marks (single OR double) one more time, I'm
> > going to go buy an Uzi and commit general mayhem on the populace.

Hey, sorry to burst your bubble, but "politically correct" _IS_, no 
question about it, a crock of shit. 
(wrong newsgroup, but hey)

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In article <4518@ac.dal.ca> davidson@ac.dal.ca writes:
->
->I have just one question:
->
->WHY was Pete at the Great Northern? He appeared to be just aimlessly
->wandering around the lobby and musing about Josie. 
->
->Isn't he supposedly the manager of the mill? Shouldn't he be doing sonething?

To paraphase B.B. King, "The Mill is Gone".  Where you been!?

And that's three questions, dude.

jimbo

I read an article in one of those medical advice columns which may
have some bearing on all those shaking hands.

Seems there is a fairly common neurological syndrome in which one of
the hands takes on a "will of its own".  The severity can vary from 
mild tremors, to the hand mirroring the activities of the good hand,
or in the worst case, the affected hand actually attacking its owner!
(I swear, I am not making this up.)  The owner (presumably the one 
it's connected to) has absolutely no control over the hand, and feels
as if it belongs to someone else.

It often occurs following an accident or illness which results in minor
brain damage, or after brain surgery (especially following the operation
in which the two halves of the brain are disconnected as a treatment for
severe epilepsy).  The article said it usually goes away after a while
(not sure if they meant the hand or the affliction.)

So what does This All Mean?  

Probably not a damn thing.  Coop and Pete should just switch to
Deep Black Decaf for a while.

jimbo

In article <T9H611w163w@zitt> joe@zitt (Joe Zitt) writes:
[joe's big hint from the book is] ...
> >
> >... that Agent Cooper either does not survive the battle, or does not remaing
> >on this plane. The "editor" of the autobiography is missing some critical
> >information that, if Coop were still around, he could have asked him. 

    As with all my posts, this may have been beaten into the ground...

What is Dale Cooper's middle name?  The above post made me remember a
possible connection I came up with around 1005.  Does anyone remember
the story of D.B. Cooper who pulled off a big bank heist and parachuted
out of a highjacked jet somewhere over the Pacific Northwest?  He got 
away.  Joe's prediction of Coop's disappearance brought this back to me.

Comments?  Mr. Johnson?

Michael

In article <FwuT15w164w@lablues.UUCP> lazer@lablues.UUCP (Patrick Delahanty) writes:
> >I really don't care for Twin Peaks...maybe because it's so low in the
> >Nealsons.  I'm a Quantum Leap fan myself!  :)
> > 
> >-Lazer

Oh yeah?  Well, why don't you LEAP into another newsgroup ... so there!

:P'''''

In article <3444@kluge.fiu.edu> ii7gjg0b@serss0.fiu.edu (Jim Stafford) writes:

> >Seems there is a fairly common neurological syndrome in which one of
> >the hands takes on a "will of its own".  The severity can vary from 
> >mild tremors, to the hand mirroring the activities of the good hand,
> >or in the worst case, the affected hand actually attacking its owner!

I have a friend who made a short horror film/parody on this hoary
idea, starring his six-year-old son.  The great part was in the
climatic fight scene between the kid and his hand, the hand would
attack in the classic Three Stooges "pick two" position, and the kid
would counter with the equally classic hand-in-front-of-the-nose
defense.  It was hilarious, makes me wish AGAIN I was writing Twin
Peaks, AND is a heck of a good self-defense tip, should any of us, god
forbid, ever find ourselves attacked by one of our own hands.

Maybe BOB is really MOE!

-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Peter--push the plug" --Josie Packard

An article I read in the SF Chronicle sometime in the last few days said
that the Beeb had decided that the scene was completely over the line
and would not be shown.  Sorry I don't have the article or the exact
wording here.  Did anyone else see this?  What will they do, cut out the
stuff they don't like or axe the whole episode?  Killing the episode
would cause some continuity problems...

-dB

-- "If it were easy to understand, we wouldn't call it 'code'" David Brower: {amdahl, cpsc6a, mtxinu, sun}!rtech!daveb daveb@ingres.com

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HI - I jsut discovered the news system recently. I became a TP fan last year.
unfortunately, since I have been away, I only know bits and pieces (very SMALL
bits and pieces) of what's been happening since last season. OS, If someone
could post a summary of what happened since the fall, that'd be great.

In article <52167@nigel.ee.udel.edu> lim@freezer.it.udel.edu (Julie Lim) writes:


> > Maybe the reference to "Jupiter and Saturn meeting" doesn't have
> > anything to do with a conjunction at all. The two constellations
> > respectively associated with those two planets, Sagittarius and
> > Capricorn, are sequential--
> >   maybe the "meeting" relates to the date that's the node between them?
> >   But then, it isn't the right time of year for that within the show, 
> >   is it?

No, but it does give some possible meaning to that goat head on the
wall behind Andrew and Catherine as they fought over the contents of
the box, Capricorn being a goat and Sagittarius an archer (I
had wondered why WE had that thing about arrows).  Now how a meeting
of the Packard/Eckhardt party and Windom Earle relates to the
Apocalypse is not immediately obvious to me, but maybe there's
something there.

Barb

In article <12818@aggie.ucdavis.edu> ez002797@pollux.ucdavis.edu ()
writes:

[stuff about Dale and D. B. Cooper deleted]

> >Comments?  Mr. Johnson?

Me?



-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Peter--push the plug" --Josie Packard

Anyone know when Warner (or whoever it is) is gonna release
the Euroversion of Twin Peaks onto casette in the States?

ed
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In article <2455@m1.cs.man.ac.uk>,
adm@cs.man.ac.uk (Alan Murta) writes: 
> > Here in the UK, the newly created Broadcasting Standards Council has just
> > upheld its first complaint -- regarding an episode of Twin Peaks. Eight
> > viewers (out of an audience of somewhere near 3.5 million, I think) complained
> > that the scene showing the murder of Maddie Ferguson by Leland/BOB was
> > unsuitable for public viewing. The Broadcasting Standards Council agreed.
> > 

Ithaca Journal, (Ithaca, New York)  27 April 1991   page 1
[copied without permission]

'Twin Peaks' scene denounced in Britain
LONDON (AP) - Britain's broadcasting watchdog agency has
decided that "Twin Peaks," the cult soap opera, is in
bad taste.

A murder on the surrealistic crime thriller went "beyond
all acceptable limits," the Broadcasting Standards Council
said Thursday in its first such finding since it was 
created in January.

The offending scene was in an episode in which anti-heroine
Laura Palmer's murderer was disclosed.  Palmer's cousin
suffered several violent blows to her face and was hurled
against a framed picture by the killer, who then slashed 
her face until it streamed with blood.

[don't look at me, I just type 'em]

  In my original set of questions, I should perhaps have been more clear on one
 point.  I'm not really in that much doubt about WHETHER a Mrs. Ben Horne exist
ed; my real question is: What the hell happened to her?  Where is she while Ben
 has been sleeping with Josie and Catherine, and while he was a raving Civil Wa
r lunatic, and while he's stirring up trouble with Eileen?
  And speaking of which, let me repeat:  Does anyone know why Eileen is in a wh
eelchair, or is this a plot point to come?
_______________________________________________________________________________
|                          |                                                  |
|Kyle R. Krom              |   "I love you, Sheriff Truman."                  |
|Penn State Chem Jock      |       -Albert Rosenfeld                          |
|krk4@psuvm.psu.edu        |                                                  |
|__________________________|__________________________________________________|

In <114240@cc.utah.edu> RCAPENER@cc.utah.edu writes:

> >I read in a recent issue of TV guide that the Twin Peaks trading cards
> >featuring our favorite characters has been cancelled.  Can anyone verify
> >this?
 
 Yes, (And I've seen a reference to TP Cards under Rec.Collection or
 such, and it was a different company), The autobiography has
 advertisments for the TP Access Guide to the Town, LP's Secret Diary,
 Cooper's Tape, and:
  
  Relive the Mystery!
  (sounds sorta like a Post Mortem. Sigh)
  In Twin Peaks Collectible CardArt.
  David Lynch and Mark Frost invite you to take a revealing, self-guided
  tour of the town.  Snoop around.  Find out that Dr. Jacoby is an
  Aquarius, that Cooper has a middle name.  Visit the Great Norther
  Hotel.  Stop at the RR Diner.  This 76 card set is filled with
  full-color images, trivia and revealing facts.  Did you know that "The
  Log" was given to Margaret as a weeding gift?  Do you know who gave it
  to her?  Find out in this unique, collectible keepsake which will grow
  in value over time.
   
   Send $19.95 plus $3.00 postage and handling to Star Pics, P.O. Box
   2573, Farmington Hills, MI 48333.
    
    Or Call 1-800-741-4131 to order with VISA or MasterCard.  Michigan
    residents add 4% sales tax. [and Canadians 7% Gst I suppose.  Sigh]
     
     Star Pics, Inc.
     (c) Twin Peaks Productions, Inc.  All Rights Reserved.
      
      [And then on the side, there is a pretty excellent picture of
      coop, and a bad photocopy of LP's Card, with the words 

      Laura Palmer

      Accomplishments:
      For my twelfth birthday I got a pony, whoI named Troy.  I took
      riding lessons every Saturday for two years.  Everyone was so
      proud of me when I won a Blue Ribbon at the National Riding and
      Jumping Derby.  I was crowned Twin Peaks High Scho...[no more is
      visible, I suspect :) it ends ol Queen.]
       
       A definite Must for Peakers.   

-- | Gordon Harry Shephard | Distributed Computing Support Group | | Academic Computing Services | Shephard@ucs.sfu.ca | | Simon Fraser University | USERGHS@SFU.BITNET | | Burnaby, BC. V5A 1S6 | Shephard@Whistler.sfu.ca |

The BBC did not censor the Maddie Death scene at all and that is what the 
(very few) complaints were about.
Here in the UK we are now up to episode 2015 and if it wasn't for the snooker
I would tonight be watching 2017, we're not as far behind as some of you seem
to think.

In article <1991Apr30.000801.5003@ingres.Ingres.COM> daveb@Ingres.COM (Dave Brower) writes:
> >An article I read in the SF Chronicle sometime in the last few days said
> >that the Beeb had decided that the scene was completely over the line
> >and would not be shown.  Sorry I don't have the article or the exact
> >wording here.  Did anyone else see this?  What will they do, cut out the
> >stuff they don't like or axe the whole episode?  Killing the episode
> >would cause some continuity problems...

Not so.  The episode was shown and a few people (eight I think) complained
to the broadcasting standards watchdog.  The BBC's response was that the
scene was artistically justified.

In article <1991Apr30.013925.4350@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>,
tdwj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu says:
> >

> >Ithaca Journal, (Ithaca, New York)  27 April 1991   page 1
> >[copied without permission]
> >
> >'Twin Peaks' scene denounced in Britain
> >LONDON (AP) - Britain's broadcasting watchdog agency has
> >decided that "Twin Peaks," the cult soap opera, is in
> >bad taste.

As a chap over here, it seems every time I look homewards I see censorship
and retrenchment.  If elected *I* would introduce a Bill of Rights.
--
jeremy..IASBS Department of unnamed Departments         ele@psuvm.psu.edu

"The trouble with our times is that the future is not what it used to be"

Demosthenes writes:
 waco@bellevue.hahahaha writes:
 
   Fraering writes: 
    This is in response tto Jeff Davis's post concerning why he thought TP
    was failing:
     
    So what it basically comes down to, is, Lynch doesn't subscribe
    to your view of 'political correctness?'
     
   If I see, hear, or even feel the vibrations in the ether of *any* derivative
   of the phrase politically correct *ONE* more time I am going to scream.
   
   If I see it put in quotation marks (single OR double) one more time, I'm
   going to go buy an Uzi and commit general mayhem on the populace.
 
 Hey, sorry to burst your bubble, but "politically correct" _IS_, no 
 question about it, a crock of shit. 
 (wrong newsgroup, but hey)

Pthweeet! Backfield in motion! 20 yard penalty. Loss of down.
My original post mentioned my own politics as obiter dicta. I attempted to 
present TPs view of the world from evidence internal to TP. I mentioned
Lynch's brand of conservative bohemianism simply to show that I was 'hep'
to things. Whatever Lynch's politics, it ain't the McLaughlin Report or 
something: his politics are tangential to the drama/melodrama. As a refresher,
my position was that since Ben Horne was in the process of making a 
moral choice and that the others were simply enjoyable cartoons, Horne
was the central -- if not only -- character, as "character" is understood
within the framework of drama. His regression to the Civil War, given
TPs obsession with the 50s, when the Civil War broke out again in this
country, I found significant. As regards to political correctness I am
(as is obvious, I hope) an old fashioned, ward politics, lets-hang-together
liberal. Let's get back to discussing vampire cows.
-- davis@keats.ca.uky.edu Is this a long trip or a short trip?

It's happening again!!

I'm beginning to think that BOB is not a specific evil entity as we all
think.  What if he's the culmination of all man's evil and ill will?  He
could be more like God -- everywhere all the time, in all of us, ready
to do horribly things whenever anyone gives him the chance.

I think this ties in with the theme of evil in Cooper's book.  He was
always talking about some evil presence.  His mother had similar dreams,
which reminded me of all the Laura and BOB stuff.  In a way, could it not
be interpreted that Coop's mother died of fright (as it is speculated that
Josie did)?  Coop talked about the awful nightmares she had right before
her death.

People often blame the horrible deeds they do on something outside of 
themselves -- i.e. all the insanity pleas in the courts.  Or if its really
bad, the person sometimes blocks the incident out entirely.  Or what about
that old saying, "the devil made me do it."  Sometimes it's blamed on the
environment -- victim of circumstace.  Very few of us believe we are 
capable of doing anything so violent or evil and should it happen that we
do, we look for something or someone else to blame it on (or if that person
doesn't, someone else often will).  

Anyway, just my attempt to explain BOB.  Err... maybe I just need more
coffee.

--Cool Bean
-- **This is not cultural.

In article <1991Apr30.000801.5003@ingres.Ingres.COM> daveb@Ingres.COM (Dave Brower) writes:
> >An article I read in the SF Chronicle sometime in the last few days said
> >that the Beeb had decided that the scene was completely over the line
> >and would not be shown.  Sorry I don't have the article or the exact
> >wording here.  Did anyone else see this?  What will they do, cut out the
> >stuff they don't like or axe the whole episode?  Killing the episode
> >would cause some continuity problems...

This is not exactly what has happened.  Some new "Standards" council
decided that the above mentioned scene was indeed over the top, but this
decision has been made in retrospect of the broadcast of the scene.
Presumably someone (e.g. Mary Whitehouse for those of you
familiar with UK TV) protested about the graphic portrayal of
Maddie's demise and felt that they ought to have some redress on the matter.

If they rescreen TP over here then I feel sure that this scene will be
heavily edited. A similar thing happened with a scene from Doctor Who
a few years ago and sure enough when that particular episode was
rescreened the offending shot was excised.

BTW TP has been suspended here for three weeks because of the televising
of the World Snooker Championship. I'm a snooker fan, but this is too
much :-)
-- ================================================================================ Mike Hart mrh@maths.nott.ac.uk ================================================================================

Where could I get the program to generate a near approximation of
Major Briggs' "Owlspeak" printout?

--
Phil Fraering
dlbres10@pc.usl.edu
Joke going around: "How many country music singers does it take to
change a light bulb? Four. One to change the bulb, and three to sing
about the old one."

In a previous article, enomura@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (-=+**SLAYER**+=-) says:

> >Anyone know when Warner (or whoever it is) is gonna release
> >the Euroversion of Twin Peaks onto casette in the States?
> >

Several people have suggested that the Major was speaking
backwards.  There have been several theories on what the Major
said when the speach was played backwards.

Isn't it possible that the Major was speaking some "foreign"
language known to those that put the marks on his neck?  The
injection that he was given by WE brought back subconscious
thoughts of his experience with "aliens" (or whatever) and 
he is repeating something he overheard while "away".

Joyan

In article <T9H611w163w@zitt> joe@zitt (Joe Zitt) writes:
> >Well, I just caught up on the past two weeks of the newsgroup (after haing
> >been incredibly busy for awhile)...
> >
> >My favorite prediction is that Laura will, indeed, be chosen Miss Twin Peaks.
> >This could well drive Windom Earl right over the edge, since the person he
> >had planned to kill dramatically is >already dead<!
> >
> >I haven't checked my tape, but I believe that the Mayor said that one of the
> >other judges would be Norma Jennings (I forget the third).  This would lead
> >to serious complications were Annie to run -- but not as bad as if Lana were
> >to win, and her connection (as it were) to the Mayor were known.

The third judge is Richard Tremaine. The Mayor proceeded to instruct Lana on
how to seduce him.

[deletions]

> >Joe Zitt                ...cs.utexas.edu!kvue!zitt!joe           (512)450-1916
> >-Rich Haller

I don't think anyone has previously identified the source of 
Wily Wyndom's incantation. It's from one of W. B. Yeats's most 
recondite collections of poems, the "Supernatural Songs."
The complete quote is as follows:

   Conjunctions

   If Jupiter and Saturn meet,
   What a crop of mummy wheat!

   The sword's a cross; thereon He died:
   On breast of Mars the Goddess sighed.

What does it mean? Mere mummery? Or mumbo jumbo?
I'll have to leave the answer to those of you
who can see in the dark...

In article <1991Apr29.113140.1141@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu> jak@ceres.physics.uiowa.edu writes:
> > 
> > I watched the European version of the Twin Peaks pilot the other
> > night, the one where they solve the murder at the end of the movie. In
> > this version, Mrs. Palmer remembers looking through Laura's bedroom
> > the morning she was discovered missing, and we see a shot showing
> > almost the whole room, with Laura's bed on the left side. In both
> > versions, this scene was first shown within about the first 15
> > minutes. In the European version, then, as Mrs. Palmer flashes back to
> > this scene, she sees BOB at the foot of Laura's bed. He's very hard to
> > see, because he's in the shadows. Now, I don't have the first 15
> > minutes of the American pilot, so I was wondering if someone could go
> > back and look at this scene (in the American version) and see if there
> > is any sign of BOB at the foot of Laura's bed, or if looks like
> > something has been airbrushed out. I think they used the same footage
> > in both versions for the first couple of hours or so.

Note that the "European version of the Twin Peaks pilot" is a
little confusing.  There is a 2 hour video which is contains about
90 minutes taken from the actual Twin Peaks pilot episode (which was
shown at the start of Twin Peaks in the uk last year).  The last 
30 minutes or so of the video is different from the actual episodes
but does borrow some scenes (and puts them in different contexts).
As far as we can tell we get the *same* (in the UK) episodes as the US
gets (we have some vidoes from the US as well as the UK ones) except
the US gets a "next week in Twin Peaks" section at the end 
while we get a "last week in Twin Peaks" at the start.

The scene where Sarah Palmer sees BOB at the foot of the Laura's
bed is later in the video and although the same scene appears at the
start I couldn't see BOB in the earlier scene.  He is obvious in
the later scene but not (to me even with freeze frame) in the 
earlier one.  I assumed that his faced was superimposed on the scene
later and that the actual pilot version doesn't have him at the
start (though I didn't go back and look).


Alan

Alan W Black                          80 South Bridge, Edinburgh, UK
Dept of Artificial Intelligence       tel: (+44) -31 650 2713
University of Edinburgh               email: awb@ed.ac.uk

In article <1991Apr30.000801.5003@ingres.Ingres.COM> daveb@Ingres.COM (Dave Brower) writes:

> >   An article I read in the SF Chronicle sometime in the last few days said
> >   that the Beeb had decided that the scene was completely over the line
> >   and would not be shown.  Sorry I don't have the article or the exact
> >   wording here.  Did anyone else see this?  What will they do, cut out the
> >   stuff they don't like or axe the whole episode?  Killing the episode
> >   would cause some continuity problems...
> >
> >   -dB
> >
> >   -- 
> >   "If it were easy to understand, we wouldn't call it 'code'"
> >   David Brower: {amdahl, cpsc6a, mtxinu, sun}!rtech!daveb daveb@ingres.com


Yes there have been complaints about that episode but note that the
episode has already been shown uncut, and it was viewers complaining
about what they saw.  Apparently the complaint has been "upheld"
by the Broadcasting Standards Authority (or some such body).  It
is unclear what the consequences of this is.  The only clear
one is that they have to publish the fact in a certain TV Guide
(Radio Times).  I suspect that nothing will really happen but if
(when) the series is repeated that scene will be shortened.

(I think I saw a posting here about this a week ago).

Alan

Alan W Black                          80 South Bridge, Edinburgh, UK
Dept of Artificial Intelligence       tel: (+44) -31 650 2713
University of Edinburgh               email: awb@ed.ac.uk

In article <11293@uwm.edu> bats@convex.csd.uwm.edu (A. Buschhaus) writes:

> >Actually, the name is not distorted at all.  (I wouldn't have guessed 
> >a name like "Muir" if I didn't know about the guy :-)
> >John Muir is/was the founder of the Sierra Club, often sited as this 
> >country's original environmentalist, and originally from Wisconsin.
> >(I'm PRETTY sure - please correct me if needs be :-)


Originally from Scotland.
--
Phil Fraering
dlbres10@pc.usl.edu
Joke going around: "How many country music singers does it take to
change a light bulb? Four. One to change the bulb, and three to sing
about the old one."

[30apr91] Here are three lists: 

  - (S) the addresses of ABC, the Twin Peaks production company, and others
#   to whom you can write in an effort to save (or resurrect) TP 

  - (L) the names and net addresses of those who maintain and publish to
    alt.tv.twin-peaks various compilations and lists of TP factoids,
    useful to the truly obsessed

  - (R) a guide to other TP goodies, available outside this newsgroup, the
    existence of which has been posted here

Changes and new listings are marked by #. Please send me any corrections
or additions.

There is an anonymous FTP site for much of the material in list (L), and
some of the material in list (R), thanks to Peter Asenstorfer at the
University of South Australia (peter@audrey.sait.edu.au). The site is:

  audrey.sait.edu.au [130.220.16.88]   directory  /pub/twin-peaks 

Items currently in this archive are marked below by "ftp" in the margin.

-->Keith
dawson@epps.kodak.com

==================
Save TP Resources
==================

The following addresses, phone numbers, and other resources will prove useful
to those who want to write letters or otherwise express their opinions on
#the hiatus / cancellation of TP, or to attempt to find a new home for the
#show.

#During the hiatus Lynch and Frost encouraged a letter-writing campaign to
#Robert Iger (see S1). Now that the show has been cancelled I don't know what
#the creators intend to do (or want us to do). Stay tuned.

See item S7 below, the COOP campaign headquarters, for access to letterhead
#and so forth. COOP periodically posts notices of "direct action" of various
#sorts, such as campaigns of leverage on particular sponsors.

S1. Address of ABC President in charge of TP --
    Robert Iger - Entertainment President
    2040 Avenue of the Stars
    Century City, CA 90067
    Fax: 213-557-7160

S2. Address of TP production company --
    "Twin Peaks," Lynch-Frost Productions
    World Vision, 7700 Balboa Blvd., Van Nuys, CA 91406

S3. ABC Phone numbers for programming comments --
    New York      212-456-7477  (Network Programming)
  212-887-3900
    Los Angeles   213-557-7777  (General Information)

S4. Address of Billboard Magazine save-TP effort --
    Billboard Magazine, 1515 Broadway, New York, NY 10036
    Attention: S. Ojakli, Promotion & Publicity Director
    (America Online userid: Egg99)
    ("My magazine group covers the entertainment industry so I can take care
     of person to person delivery without any screening process.")

S5. Address of "the right person" in Fox Network --
    Peter Chernin, President, Fox Entertainment Group
    10201 W. Pico Blvd., Executive Bldg. 88 Suite 336
    Los Angeles, CA. 90035
    (213) 203-3377
# From harlan@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Pete Harlan):
#  I just called the number and got someone's answering machine, and it
#  wasn't Mr. Chernin's.  I don't have a correct phone number, but this
#  one apparently isn't it.
#  I did call Fox Broadcasting, and the woman was unable to give me a
#  number to call.  She did inform me that Twin Peaks isn't a Fox show. :-)

S6. Address of Nielsen television-rating service --
    John C. Holt, Nielsen Television Research
    P.O. Box 4510, Clearwater, FL  34618-4510
    800-237-8611

S7. COOP (Citizens Opposing the Offing of Peaks)
    Keith Poston, COOP President
    202-342-7247
    The Great Northern, 4532 19th St. North, Arlington, Va. 22207
    Michael Caputo, COOP Director
    202-289-2834
    ("Call/write Keith for starter kits for your local COOP chapter, &
     for a long list of nationally based reporters in the entertain-
     ment field. "Serious inquiries only," he says, since he's footing
     the bill out of his own pocket.")

S8. Iowa Chapter of COOP
    Bob Cappel, President and Chairman
    319-337-4856
    czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu

S9. Nationwide COOP bulletin-board system
    319-337-4856
    open 11pm to 7am CST
    ("Information on how to start a COOP chapter availiable for 
     download.")

#S10. deleted -- a Save Twin Peaks 900 number.

======================
Lists and Compilations
======================

The following lists are updated periodically and reposted to alt.tv.twin-peaks
by their owners.

L1. Annotated timeline for TP episodes broadcast to date --
ftp Edwin Nomura, enomura@sdcc13.ucsd.edu
    (120 K)
#ftp Keith Dawson, dawson@epps.kodak.com
    (Formatted for Macintosh MS Word v4.0)
#    (84 K) (34 pp.)

L2. TP cast to date --
ftp David Ernest Coufal, coufal@owl.caltech.edu 
    (10 K)

L3. Credits for each episode --
ftp David Ernest Coufal, coufal@owl.caltech.edu 
    ( > 82 K)

L4. Answers to frequently asked questions --
ftp Janet M. Swisher, swsh@ellis.uchicago.edu
#   (15 K)
#   (4 K) -- no-spoilers version

L5. Compilation of favorite quotes --
#ftp Charles D. Kincaid, statman@whale.ufl.edu
ftp (Final Rob Jellinghaus <robertj@Autodesk.com> edition published 2/14/91.)
    (37 K)

L6. Cribsheet to TP resources --
ftp Keith Dawson, dawson@epps.kodak.com
#    (7 K)

L7. Symbols/motifs in the Twin Peaks Universe --
ftp Jeffrey Koga, 6600koga@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu
    (2.4 K)

L8. Oeuvres of TP contributors
    David Ernest Coufal, coufal@owl.caltech.edu 
ftp  writers          (5 K)
ftp  directors        (5 K)
ftp  actors/actresses (15 K)
    (all movies/books each artist has been associated with)

==================
Other TP Resources
==================

The following goodies were either announced at least once on alt.tv.twin-peaks
by the given poster, or sent to me for inclusion in this list.

#R1 deleted -- obsolete FTP site for GIF files at U. of Michigan.

R2. Catalog of TP goodies (books, tee shirts, cassettes, etc.) --
    Twin Peaks Press, Box 129, Vancouver, WA  98666; (800) 637-2256
    (send $1.00)
    Posted by Kay Stanley, kstanley@rhumba.acs.unc.edu

R3. Mac disk filled with TP sounds --
#ftp Doug Dulmage, ddulmage@cdp.uucp 
#   (in directory Mac-sounds)

R4. Postcard from Twin Peaks (actually Snoquamalie) --
    Laurie Kleiner, 815 35th Avenue, Seattle, WA  98122-5205
    (send a postcard of your hometown)

R5. ~9 MB of MacRecorder TP sounds (through #2013, 1/19) --
ftp "Sam Hill Cabal," bwdavies@rodan.acs.syr.edu
    (in the directory MAC-sounds in the ftp archive)

R6. Twin Peaks Gazette --
    P.O. Box 1804, Pacific Palisades, CA 90272
    800-626-TWIN
#   (Many posters have complained that they have not received their
#    promised TP coffee mug or their "address in Twin Peaks." Issues
#    of the Gazette have been getting out, albeit slowly. -- ed.

R7. Full text of Jan. 26 hoax threads
ftp posted by Edward Vielmetti, emv@msen.com (emv@ox.com)
#   Collected and perpetrated by R o d Johnson

R8. Transcript of second-season TP press kit --
ftp Dave Coufal, coufal@owl.caltech.edu

R9. Article "Appreciating alt.tv.twin-peaks"
#ftp Fiona Oceanstar, fi@grebyn.com
    (10 K)
#    (published in "Twin Peaks Gazette," March 1991)

R10: Book: TWIN PEAKS Behind The Scenes
     An Unofficial Visitors Guide to Twin Peaks
     by Mark Altman (c) 1990 Pioneer Books
     ISBN #1-55698-284-4
     $14.95/$19.95 Canada
     145 pages, 8.5"x11" paperbound

#R11. Twin Peaks trading cards
#     (I kid you not! -- ed.)
#     Posted by Gordon Shephard, shephard@newsserver.sfu.ca 
#     Send $19.95 plus $3.00 postage and handling to Star Pics, P.O. Box
#     2573, Farmington Hills, MI 48333. Or Call 1-800-741-4131 to order
#     with VISA or MasterCard. Michigan residents add 4% sales tax.
#     [and Canadians 7% Gst I suppose. Sigh]

In article <3443@kluge.fiu.edu> ii7gjg0b@serss0.fiu.edu (Jim Stafford) writes:
> >In article <4518@ac.dal.ca> davidson@ac.dal.ca writes:
> >->
> >->I have just one question:
> >->
> >->WHY was Pete at the Great Northern? He appeared to be just aimlessly
> >->wandering around the lobby and musing about Josie. 
> >->
> >->Isn't he supposedly the manager of the mill? Shouldn't he be doing sonething?
> >
> >To paraphase B.B. King, "The Mill is Gone".  Where you been!?

To paraphrase John Gorka, "B.B. King was wrong, the Mill it isn't gone.
The Mill it is here, it is now, it is strong."  Then again, in the liner
notes he points out that "B.B. King was right.  This song is wrong."

To find out what Pete is up to, give a listen to the Eagles' hit
"After the Mill is Gone".

Dave (who can be as silly as the next person) K.
-- Disclaimer: These opinions subject to change without notice. ************************************************************************** The heart and the mind on a parallel course, never the two shall meet. -E. Saliers

In article <DLBRES10.91Apr30105323@pc.usl.edu> to alt.tv.twin-peaks (as a reference to <JL0J11w164w@mudos.ann-arbor.mi.us>), Fraering Philip (dlbres10@pc.usl.edu) posted an article with subject "Re: FIONA'S _TP_GAZETTE_ ARTICLE" on 30 Apr 91 15:53:23 GMT via sender anon@rouge.usl.edu with the following content:

> > Where could I get the program to generate a near approximation of
> > Major Briggs' "Owlspeak" printout?
> > 
> > --
> > Phil Fraering
> > dlbres10@pc.usl.edu
> > Joke going around: "How many country music singers does it take to
> > change a light bulb? Four. One to change the bulb, and three to sing
> > about the old one."

Hi!!!!  Just in time to announce that owlspeak version 3.0 is out and it's
available for ftp from soda.berkeley.edu!!! But even better, it's included
in this post!!!!  So are instructions on how to make and use owlspeak.

Bye!!!

Phillip "Edward" Nunez
->-- Thus Spake The Master Programmer! --<-


##########################################
Here's how to compile Owlspeak 3.0:

Cut out all of the article up until where the program begins.  Save that to
a file called "phillip.c".  To compile it, type:

philcc phillip.c -o owlspeak -cool -lAll_Appropriate_Libraries

(If you have the Nunez C Compiler installed on your system)

    or

gcc phillip.c -o owlspeak -O
    or
cc phillip.c -o owlspeak -O

        (If you have a less interesting compiler.)


To use owlspeak, pipe a stream of text through it.  For example, to read the
message of the day, type:

    cat /etc/motd | owlspeak

Run owlspeak with the 'h' option to get help.
###########################################

/* Owlspeak, by Phillip "Edward" Nunez (phillip@soda.berkeley.edu) */

static char *VERSION = "/OWLSPEAK/VERSION/V003/PHILLIP/PHILLIP/PHILLIP\n";

#include <stdio.h>
#include <string.h>
#include <ctype.h>
#include <time.h>

#ifdef X11
  #include <X11/X.h>
#endif/* So I can post this to comp.sources.x */

#define USAGE "/USAGE/U000/CAT/FILE/PIPE/OWLSPEAK/OPTION/V/OPTIONAL\n"
static char *PUNCT = "@#$%^&*()_+|~-=\\`{}[]:\";'<>?,./";
#define MESSINESS 5
#define MAXNUM 01000/* In octal, of course */

#define PROBABILITY 7/* Chances are 1 in PROBABILITY
   (decimal) that a strange message
   will appear per random slashed
   octal number generated and per
   line of text.          */

/*  You might want to nazi the source code since you don't want stupid
users to know everything that the program might do to their
messages unless they run it a lot.*/

char *quotes[] = {
"/THE/OWLS/ARE/NOT/WHAT/THEY/SEEM",
"/COOPER/COOPER/COOPER",
"/DAMN/GOOD/COFFEE",
"/I/LIKE/WHALES",
"//APPETITE//SATISFACTION/",
"/CIRCLE/OF/GOLD",
"/HUMAN/HOST",
"/WILL/NOT/BE/WRONG",
"/SMILING/BAG",
"/DEATH/BAG",
"/ANOTHER/PLACE",
"/THE/BIRDS/SING/A/PRETTY/SONG",
"/ALWAYS/MUSIC/IN/THE/AIR",
"/THROUGH/THE/DARKNESS/OF/FUTURE/PAST",
"/FIRE/WALK/WITH/ME",
"/WORK/RELATED",
"/MILK/WILL/GET/COLD/ON/YOU",
"/HEARD/ABOUT/YOU",
"/ADHERENCE/TO/FANTASY",
"/MULTIPLE/SHALLOW/WOUNDS",
"/WHEN/YOU/LEAST/EXPECT/IT",
"/GOOD/VEHICLE",
"/LETS/ROCK",
"/DANCE",
"/BEND/BACK",
"/LEO/NO/R000/LEO/NO",
"/HAPPY/GENERATION",
"/PAWNS/WILL/BE/EXPENDABLE",
"/WHITE/LODGE",
"/WHAT/A/WONDERFUL/WORLD",
"/SMOKED/CHEESE/PIG",
"/WHOLE/DAMN/TOWN",
"/WOOD/TICK",
"/FISH/IN/THE/PERCOLATOR",
"/FULL/OF/SECRETS",
"/WOODEN/SHOE",
"/ONE/LEG/AT/A/TIME",
"/WHOLE/DAMN/TOWN",
"/LET/A/SMILE/BE/YOUR/UMBRELLA",
"/MAIRZY",
"/POOR/CHET",
"/PLAYING/OFF/THE/BOARD",
"/WHEN/THE/REVELS/BEGIN",
"/NO/NO/NO/NO/NO",
"/WHAT/HAPPENED/TO/JOSIE/P",
"/NOTHING/LIKE/URINATING/IN/THE/OPEN/AIR"
};

#define QUOTECOUNT (sizeof(quotes) / sizeof(int))

const char *nums[] = {   /* viva INTERCAL */

"/OH", "/ONE", "/TWO", "/THREE", "/FOUR", "/FIVE", "/SIX", "/SEVEN",
"/EIGHT", "/NINER"
};

int pindex(char c) {
char *s = PUNCT;
while (*s) if (c == *s++) return (int)(s - PUNCT);
return -1;
}

void Printnum(char c, int n) {
fprintf(stdout, "/%c%03o", c, n);
}

char *cutspace(char *c) {
while ((*c == ' ') || (*c == '\t')) c++;
return c;
}

void qstatic(void) {
int i;

i = random() % QUOTECOUNT;
fprintf(stdout, quotes[i]);
}

void sstatic(void) {
int i;

i = random() % MESSINESS;
while (i-- > 0)
Printnum(random() % 26 + 'A', random() % MAXNUM);
if (random() % PROBABILITY) return;
qstatic();
sstatic();
}

void number(int n) {/* viva INTERCAL again */

if (n == 0) {
fprintf(stdout, (random() % 2) ? "/ZERO" : "/OH");
return;
} else if (n == 9) {
fprintf(stdout, (random() % 2) ? "/NINE" : "/NINER");
return;
}
fprintf(stdout, nums[n]);
}

char *process(char *c) {
int d;
static int nline = 0;

if (*c == '\n') {
if (nline) sstatic();
fprintf(stdout, "/C000");
if (!(random() % PROBABILITY)) {
qstatic();
fprintf(stdout, "/C000");
}
nline = 1;
return ++c;
}

nline = 0;
if (isdigit(*c)) {
number(*c - '0');
return ++c;
}
if (isalpha(*c)) {
fputc('/', stdout);
while (isalpha(*c))
fputc(isupper(*c) ? *c++ : toupper(*c++), stdout);
return c;
}

if (random() % 2) return ++c;       /* Don't copy 100% of punctuation,
because it starts to get
messy if you do.            */

d = pindex(*c);
if (d == -1) fprintf(stdout, "/C000");
else Printnum('C', d);
return ++c;
}

void main(int argc, char *argv[]) {
char *s, *t = (char *)malloc(BUFSIZ);

srandom(time(0));
if (argc > 1) {
fprintf(stdout, *(argv[1] + 1) == 'v' ? VERSION : USAGE);
exit(0);
}
sstatic();
while (fgets((s = t), BUFSIZ - 1, stdin) != NULL)
while (*s) s = process(cutspace(s));
sstatic();
fprintf(stdout, "\n");
}

In article <oVu515w164w@lablues.UUCP> lazer@lablues.UUCP writes:
> >ez002797@pollux writes:
> > 
>> >> perfect anagram "Owl in dream"  Windom, Earl.  As in Horne, Esq.
>> >> Michael
> > 
> >Maine...VACATIONLAND!  (And home of Cabot Cove and Jessica Fletcher)

Ah, Lazer now you're getting somewhere.  Cabot Cove is an anagram for
"To Cob Cave"  And since we know that a cob is a male swan, and swans
could be the white lodge counterpart to owls...

> >-Lazer (co-sysop L/A Blues BBS (207) 777-3465)

Michael

From the TV News Update column of the April 27 TV Guide:

"Twin"'s trivia trading cards

What's in the cards for ABC's "Twin Peaks?" Besides probable cancellation,
there's the "Twin Peaks Collectible CardArt" set. Scheduled for a late April
release, this 76-card limited edition features photos and fun facts about the
series' 34-odd (*very* odd) characters. Did you know that the Log Lady has a
weakness for rugged, good-looking men and saplings?

Other cards have bits of famous dialogue ("The owls are not what they seem");
locales (the RR Diner, Big Ed's Gas Farm); and trivia (What is Agent Cooper's
middle name?).

Actress Catherine Coulson (the Log Lady) admits she "never got into cards--I
used to collect bottle caps,' but she's clearly tickled at the idea of being
the subject of a card herself. "I'm told that mine will be one of the most
valuable," she says modestly.

Making the cards even more collectible is the fact that 'Peaks' seems poised
for cancellation. Will it be back for a second (sic) season? "The Log
certainly hopes so," says Coulson, but with 'Peaks' tied at 100 out of 134
shows at the end of this season, chances are slim that ABC will renew.

# # #

There is also an ad for the card set in the back pages of Cooper's
autobiography. The set sells for $19.95 and can be ordered from:

Star Pics
P.O. Box 2573
Farmington Hills, MI 48333

(include $3.00 for postage and handling)

They also list an 800 number for Visa and Mastercard orders (800-741-4131),
but in trying to call that number about half a dozen times over the last week,
I have yet to have anyone answer!

--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
There's no sense in being precise when | Jim Pellmann (jpellmann@rational.com)
you don't even know what you're talking | RATIONAL
about. --- John von Neumann | Santa Clara, California

Janet M. Swisher asked:
> >
>>> >> >  Trivia question: how many other MD's have we seen in TP (not Albert)
>> >> 
There was Dr. Shelby, Ronette Pulaski's doctor in the pilot. She said,
"she needs a CAT scan, but we're not equipped for that here." (So did
Ronette ever get the CAT scan?)

> >From: plummer@cs.swarthmore.edu (David Barker-Plummer)
> >Subject: Re: Suggestion to those with Arbitron/Nielsen logs (serious)
> >I'm confused too.  If some European station picks up the tab, who's to
> >say that *we* will continue to see the show?  ABC makes money by
> >having high ratings time to sell to advertizers.  They *still* won't
> >want to play the show if no-one but us is watching it.
I don't think that ABC's problem with the show is simply that
they won't play a show with low ratings.  The problem is that they
won't produce an EXPENSIVE ($1.3 mill per episode) show with low ratings
because they can't get the advertising fees to pay for it.
If ABC (or any other network -- maybe a cable channel?) can
run TP produced by a "European station," they may not have to pay
so much for the show (in the short run that is) and so may 
consider broadcasting it.

Rocky Giovinazzo

> >From: tdwj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
> >Subject: Re: UK Broadcasting Standards Council critical of TP
[junk on a few deranged Brits' opinions of what is fit to view deleted...]

> >The offending scene was in an episode in which anti-heroine
> >Laura Palmer's murderer was disclosed.  Palmer's cousin
> >suffered several violent blows to her face and was hurled
> >against a framed picture by the killer, who then slashed 
> >her face until it streamed with blood.

I guess _Blue Velvet_ is out of the question then eh?

This is yet another example of inaccurate criticism of Twin Peaks.
Maybe someday, someone in the media who has actually WATCHED the show will 
write something about TP.
If you recall _the Economist_ article (from around Dec/Jan I think?)
on Twin Peaks, criticism was also drawn to things about the show that
were not true.  The author also commented on the inappropriateness of
selling copies of "Laura's secret cassette tapes."  (I, for one, would
like to get hold of these tapes.)
It is interesting to note that _the Economist_ is also a 
*British* publication (I think).  Hmmm, ...


Rocky Giovinazzo

P.S.  If a British company picks up TP for us, I suspect that it
won't be what we're used to (better than nothing of course).  Maybe
it will become tame enough for an 8pm time slot and soar in the
ratings! (yeah, right)

> >From: brian@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Wood)

> >What about discussion of Coop's autobiography?  Don't you READ this
> >group?  I responded to someone's post DAYS ago about this! Don't
> >see any other responses yet, though.  Must be too much black lodge
> >interference with Internet.
I don't know about the rest of the country, but in western
Mass. and southern New Hampshire, the book has yet to be seen
because of some problem with the publisher's warehouse in Connecticut.
I don't know if this means the rest of New England has also been 
"cut off" but that's what my local bookstore clerk told me.
The closest warehouse that has the autobiography is apparently
in Tennessee.

Rocky Giovinazzo

This is probably not the appropriate place for this, but I know that
someone out there will have an answer to this since it is a David Lynch-
related question.  The question is, who are the performers of the
following songs in Blue Velvet?  I cannot read them from the tape on
the VCR I use:

Blue Velvet (is this Bobby Vinton?)
Candy Coloured Clown
Loveletters

If I have the names wrong, please correct me on that, also.  Since this
bboard is not really the correct place for this discussion, I would
appreciate it if replies could be mailed to me personally.  The address
in the header or one of the addresses in the .sig should work.

Thanks!
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Can someone PLEASE email me as to where to get the tp GIF files?

I can either do FTP or regular U.S. Mail if someone wants to copy
them for me.

Than you very much.

                              Frank Rachel

   BASIC THEORY: I believe David Lynch is using Twin Peaks to 
represent a microcosm of modern day America -- an American that
is much differnt than the America of the past (especially the 
innocent 1950's).  Lynch feels historical American virtues of hard  
work, strong family, and fair play are being replaced by those of
selfishness, greed, and superficiality.  He feels a horrible, unstopable
evil presence is jeopardizing our very existance as a culture.
In Lynch's view our only way out is to look within and hope that
"love is enough".


   THE OWLS ARE NOT WHAT THEY SEEM = America is not what it seems.


       THE LMFAP represents that "little man inside our heads" which
    helps us distinguish right from wrong.  He's elusive to modern
    America though, always dancing away.  To Cooper he is especially
    represenative of intuition.  The OAM tells Cooper:
      "You will find the anwsers with the heart, not the head."
       Also note Cooper has never beaten Windom Earle in a chess
    game -- a game of intelligence.  Is this Lynch's way
    of saying America is blinding itself with knowledge and forsaking
    its natural ability to recognize evil?  

      For all his good intentions Cooper does not grasp everything
    the LMFAP reveals, so to get his attention, THE GIANT is sent.
    The Giant stresses patience and reverence:
        "A path is formed one stone at a time."
        "Don't ask questions, listen."
      Cooper can only prevent future travesties in Twin Peaks by heeding
    his advice; just as Lynch is saying Americans can only save their society
    by returning to a slower less competitive  lifestyle with respect
    for institutions and authority figures.  
        
        COOPER represents an ousider sent to America by forces of good
    (The White Lodge) to prevent its decay.  Just as the Dali Lama 
    recently warned America to be more compassionate,  Cooper sets an
    example of good-will for all to follow, especially with regards to 
    fighting evil.                    
        THE WHITE LODGE represents the source of all the unselfish and  
    compassionate values which have been lost over the last century in
    America.  They feel the time is getting late and sent their agent,
    Cooper, to stop the nation's decline into evil.  As Wagner's god Wotan
    could not directly aide Siegfried, the White Lodge can only use
    the Giant sparingly to help him.  Cooper must use his own intrinsic
    nature to save Twin Peaks, just as Lynch is saying Americans must 
    look within them to turn the tide of American decline.

         WINDOM EARLE represents the current American role model, one who
    strives for personal success at any cost.  His disguises are indicative
    of the many decptions found in America's business and social worlds.
         THE BLACK LODGE is the cosmic source of evil which has taken
    a foothold in America.  Yet they cannot take complete control of the 
    country  until a mortal such as WE has his hands on the controls.
    This ability to "change the order of things" is perhaps Lynch's 
    warning of an eventual overthrow of the American constitutional
    system by a dictator resembling Windom Earle.
 
         THE OAM represents those in America who have participated
    heavily for the forces of evil (Black Lodge) but have since
    repented, "saw the face of God (White Lodge)", and are now in
    essence foot soldiers, battle hardened and weary.

         THE MAYOR represents our historic institutions which are
    no longer respected, "Is this thing on, can anybody hear me?"
    The wisdom and advice of the elderly have no place in modern
    America; niether does the sanctity of our elected officals as
    even the mayor gets corrupted by Lana.
        
         LANA represents the over importance of sexual images in modern
    America.  The whole sherrif's office comes to a grinding halt;
    the mayor flounders like a fool.

         THE HYPNOTIC MUSIC represents how most people have become
    hypnotized by both the incessant media and by the nature of their
    jobs.  Notice how the music is at its most hypnotic (jazz stuff)
    when a character is doing something for selfish reasons.
        
         THE LOG LADY represents somebody who has been aware of the
    changes in America for quite some time but has been impatiently
    waiting for help, "It's about time you got here", she tells Cooper.
    She clearly has indirect contact (via the Log) with the White 
    Lodge.  The Log itself could also be thought of as a recording
    log which is keeping a history of the country's decline -- "My
    Log does not judge (it's only telling it like it is)."

         MAJOR BRIGGS represents the true family man of America past.
    He puts personal gain aside for the good of all. "Do you take pride
    in your medals?" asks the Log Lady, "No, pride only obscures the 
    accomplishment."  He is essentialy to Cooper as Spock was to Kirk.
    (We all know Spock is destined to say someday, "My greatest fear
    is that Love may not be enough.")

         BOBBY BRIGGS is of course the traditional model of American
    youth in rebellion.  Yet he will turn out okay --  just as his father
    envisioned -- since he was raised in a home with a strong family
    unit and moral values.  Now that he has had his fling with drugs
    and corporate corruption, I can imagine him joining the military 
    and raising a family with Shelly.  His father knocked that cigarrete
    out of his mouth because he really cared.

         SHELLY JOHNSON is the traditional pre-women's lib American
    woman with the advice to save the community, "If everybody would
    hold hands, than nobody could make a fist."  Because David Lynch's
    character, Gordon Cole, could only hear her, she may be what Lynch
    thinks American women should be more like.

         LEO JOHNSON represents the animalistic creature Lynch feels
     we are all turning into.  He becomes a slave to sex and drugs and
     later appropriately becomes a slave to his ultimate master --
     intellectual evil, Windom Earle.  But Leo is repenting now that
     he recognizes how awful pure evil is.

         THE HAYWARDS like the Briggs are a family of America's past.
     (In this case it's clearly Lynch's favorite era -- the 50's.)
     Donna and her friend James represent the innocence of our past 
     thrown into the turbulence of modern America.  They try to be
     "good" so hard, but it always winds-up hurting them; yet, they don't
     understand why. "No matter how hard I try, somebody always gets
     hurt", pines James.  Donna accidently causes Harold Smith's death
     while trying to make "good" by undercovering the evil that killed
     her friend, Laura.  But Donna and James don't have what it
     takes to fight evil, and things may get worse as Evelyn warns Donna,
     "Wait until you get to be my age, and you'll see how really rotten
     the world is."

          
          BEN HORNE represents the personification of the successful 
      man in modern America.  He's learned to use the tools of evil
      legally and illegally to obtain money, power, sex.  But his family's
      disfunctionality reflects that traditional American values had to
      be sacrificed for greed.
          After Jean Renault and Catherine Martell humble and defeat
      Ben, he finds himself in a jail cell -- his evil caged -- and   
      reflects with his brother to the memory of an innocent childhood
      event:
           "Where did we go wrong?"
         (Where did our country go wrong?) 
          He thinks fondly of the hard work his father put into building
       the Great Northern;  he kisses his mother's black and white image.
          Ben then pays the price for years of evilness by becoming mentally
      ill -- catharsis.  His commanding the losing side in the American
      Civil War prophsises future turmoil in America -- a battle traditional
      American values (family) will win, as indicated by the _Wizard_of_Oz_
      closing scene.  Only the regrouping of his family could cure Ben,
      who is now doing benevolent acts.

          AUDREY HORNE is searching for the love of a father figure;
      that's why she went after Cooper -- a strong manly presence. She 
      is confused however and confuses love with sex.  Cooper sets her
      straight (the short time she spent with him gained her more security
      than a lifetime with her father).  Freed to be a women, she falls
      in love with JJ Wheeler.  
          A lot of people complained about Audrey's character changing
      in the second season; it was because of Cooper's inner strength
      as guidence.

          MRS. HORNE (Ben's wife) has already served her purpose to
      her husband, and that's why we never see her.  I'm disappointed
      the writers didn't expand her role after Ben mended his ways.

          JOHNNY HORNE's mental handicap and unconditional love should
      have humbled Ben years earlier to shed his evil ways.  His screams
      during Ben's reaquaitence-with-honsty lecture from Wheeler must
      surely be screams of relief.


        LELAND PALMER, Ben Horne's attorney, represents the dangerousness
   of lackeydom in modern corporate America.  Ben's got a hole where
   his conscience used to be, so he's easily manipulated into doing his
   boss's dirty work, whether his boss be Ben or BOB.
        Never standing up to Ben and his coruption eats away at Leland's
   ego and makes him feel guilty.  He is never the man in control.
   To compound matters for Leland's psyche, he was molested as a child
   by a man named Robertson.  This traumatized him so badly that he
   only remembers the man's playfulness ("Do you want to play with
   fire little boy") and, thus, never got the therapy needed (guilt
   relief).

       LAURA PALMER represents the refusal of American society to 
   waken and see that it is dying.  On the outside we are proud
   to boast of the robust success of our modern lifestyle, but
   on the inside we refuse to see that our spirit is decaying.
   This is allegorized by the town of Twin Peak's blindness to
   Laura's disease: schizophrenia, which was brought on due to
   her father molesting her repeatedly. 
       The writers chose this most shocking violation of traditional
   American standards to personify "the evil that men do" in the
   presence of KILLER BOB.  Evil appears in this BOB personification 
   only to those gifted or damned.  Since the viewers at home in
   America can see BOB, does mean that Lynch is saying Americans should
   wake up and use their gift of spiritualality, or else, become 
   damned?
       Pinning down exactly the nature of BOB is an extremely 
   difficult if not impossible task.  It is perhaps best for the
   viewer to just consider him to be the agent of the source of
   ultimate evil in the universe -- The Black Lodge.  
       (Getting back to Laura)  Laura's inner strength was stonger  
   at resisting demon position than her father's was years earlier.
   This aggravated the Black Lodge immensly.  Yet because she  
   continued to block out the image of her father molesting her
   (her gift only allowing her conscious mind to see the source
    of the crime (BOB)),  she wandered into schizophrenia -- 
   ideal school girl by day, drug user and whore by night.
        Perhaps due to Dr. Jacoby's therapy or the goodness of James,
   Laura finally came to admit that Leland had molested her.
   "I now know who BOB is."
        But Leland, his conscious being controled by BOB/Black Lodge,
   found the incriminating enteries in the diary.  Laura freaked at
   the torn pages and went out for one last foray into evil with 
   Jaque and Leo at the cabin.  Later Leland killed her in the train
   car. "My father killed me."


          That's it. Comments welcomed.
                                         Phil

(Appy-polly-logies if this has been posted before ...)

ii7gjg0b@serss0.fiu.edu (Jim Stafford) writes:

> >In article <13945@adobe.UUCP> asente@adobe.com (Paul Asente) writes:
>> >>Ok, start with the Major's tattoo.  Turn the upper two triangles into
>> >>Margaret's mountains.  Start doodling...make the bottom triangle into
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> >If I hear of any of you preverts doodling with Margaret's mountains again
> >(let alone her bottom triangle) I'm going to tell her log!!  (Actually,
> >I'm surprised it has any bark left at all after all these years.  Maybe
> >it's not a natural log after all; it's a prosthetic.)

ms lady of the loggest is OF course, the chair of the nuProsthesis
league (cf JP Barlow, NY Times, on electronic frontier, etc)

> >Of course, it sounds like everyone in town has explored the owl cave...

oh no, only lovers.

phiber b beeeautiful,

very agile, margaret, very agile, 

where's my thingfish!!!!

Marianne

Now appearing @ zmail@well.sf.ca.us  hoooooray!

xx00


> >jimbo.

Hi there

I am posting this request for a friend who is unable to submit news to this
group...

Can someone please send some quotes to Erik at:

legend@eros.cc.deakin.oz.au

Many thanks!

Murray Chapman
muzzle@cs.uq.oz.au

>> > >From: tdwj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
>> > >Subject: Re: UK Broadcasting Standards Council critical of TP
> > [junk on a few deranged Brits' opinions of what is fit to view deleted...]
> > 
>> > >The offending scene was in an episode in which anti-heroine
>> > >Laura Palmer's murderer was disclosed.  Palmer's cousin
>> > >suffered several violent blows to her face and was hurled
>> > >against a framed picture by the killer, who then slashed 
>> > >her face until it streamed with blood.
> > 
> > [ comments omited ]
> > 
> > Rocky Giovinazzo
> > 
> > P.S.  If a British company picks up TP for us, I suspect that it
> > won't be what we're used to (better than nothing of course).  Maybe
> > it will become tame enough for an 8pm time slot and soar in the
> > ratings! (yeah, right)


Before you guys get too carried away.  Remember that TP is *pretty
unusual* for U.S. television.  I haven't lived in the U.K. for five
years now but despite this recent controversy, British T.V.
characteristically plays a *much* broader spectrum of programmes 95%
of which are more innovative than 99% of the garbage that appears over
here.  

-- Dave

Ok....maybe not INCREDIBLY famous...but at least you can get your name into
the Village Voice!!!  Here is how:  

A reporter from the VV is writing a tongue-in-cheek piece about Windom and
Coop's chess game on Twin Peaks.  What he needs, before Thursday morning, is
a real chess expert to call him up and give him his/her opinion of the chess
game...good, bad, indifferent, funny, serious...whatever!

Some things he is interested in:
Is the game up to Peaks writing standards?
Is it basically a complicated game?  Easy game?
What will be the outcome?

He will then use the quote(s) in his article, apparently, slated for Friday's
paper.

Here is who to call:

 
Village Voice
Steve Garbarino
New York New York
212 679-9443
 
You will either get him or an answering machine, depending on if he is in.
Leave your answers on the machine, if he is not availiable.  You could, I 
suppose, leave YOUR phone number as well.

Ok....that's all!

Bob 'BOB' Cappel
Iowa COOP























--
Robert D. Cappel, Iowa City,IA  ||"You remind me today of a small
aka "BOB", eager for fun!       ||       mexican chihuahua...."
cappel@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu     ||               Deputy Bureau Chief
czahrt@umaxc.weeg.uiowa.edu     ||               Gordon Cole

This is a favor for a friend. Pardon me if this has been 
covered before (I'm not a regular participant in this 
newsgroup). My friend is looking for a US Mail address
for David Lynch. Anyone know of a good one? If so, please
email me directly. Thanks very much.

                                 stuart@apollo.hp.com

Just to deny some rumours, the Twin Peaks trading cards have not been
cancelled.  You can order you own set for $19.95 + $3 s/h by calling
Star Pics at 1-800-877-2757.  The nice lady at the other end of the
phone said they just got 60,000 sets of cards, so they won't be
running out anytime soon.

Andy


-- / Andrew S. Gerber / Solbourne Computer, Inc / / gerber@solbourne.com / ...!{uunet,sun,boulder}!stan!gerber / / "Stress is best shared with someone you love" /

In article <12818@aggie.ucdavis.edu> ez002797@pollux.ucdavis.edu () writes:
> >In article <T9H611w163w@zitt> joe@zitt (Joe Zitt) writes:
> >[joe's big hint from the book is] ...
>> >>
> >Does anyone remember
> >the story of D.B. Cooper who pulled off a big bank heist and parachuted
> >out of a highjacked jet somewhere over the Pacific Northwest?  He got 
> >away.  Joe's prediction of Coop's disappearance brought this back to me.
> >
> >Comments?  

Just adds fuel to my growing conviction that Twin Peaks reality
must be either a dream or an alternative reality
of some other sort - that what is happening is not going to turn out to
be reality as we know it.
 
a.h.

In article <93F8A7FB4000093F@UMAECS> GIOVIN%HECTOR@ecs.umass.edu (Rocky Giovinazzo) writes:
>> >>From: joe@zitt (Joe Zitt)
>> >>Subject: Re: Miss Twin Peaks
>> >>Hmm... This would seem to be a really nice tie-together -- and Lynch
>> >>already has footage of Sheryl Lee floating in midair as a Symbol of Good...
> >Have we seen this footage on TP?  I don't remember it.

I believe Joe is referring to the last minutes of Lynch's film
"Wild at Heart" in which Sheryl Lee appears as a character from 
"The Wizard of Oz"  (intentional non-spoiler in case you haven't seen
it!).

In article <1343@psych.stanford.edu> slab@psych.Stanford.EDU (Stephen LaBerge) writes:
> >I don't think anyone has previously identified the source of 
> >Wily Wyndom's incantation. It's from one of W. B. Yeats's most 
> >recondite collections of poems, the "Supernatural Songs."
> >The complete quote is as follows:
> >
> >   Conjunctions
> >
> >   If Jupiter and Saturn meet,
> >   What a crop of mummy wheat!
> >
> >   The sword's a cross; thereon He died:
> >   On breast of Mars the Goddess sighed.
> >

I love W.B. Yeat's so I'll play with him. Hmmmm. What does he mean?
 
Saturn is often portrayed with a sickle and is sometimes understood as
the "grim reaper".  Jupiter is the planet meaning fruitful abundance,
generosity overflowing and is the patron of Christmas gift giving.
So maybe Jupiter is growth and Saturn is harvest, which together is good
for humanity.
Mummery is role playing (I think) and wheat is many things.
Remember the use of wheat in Bergman's films?
 
Anyway, the next two lines have even me stumped. 
But I will admit to a freudian type-o. I typed "sex" first instead of "next". 
My unconscious is telling me that those lines are erotic, but my conscious
mind is not up to the challenge of interpreting it.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ann Hodgins                     E Uassiuian is the will to continue
alternat@watdcs.uwaterloo.ca    To laugh, to have fun and to be amazed.

> >From: awb@uk.ac.ed.aipna (Alan W Black)
> >Subject: Re: European version of TP pilot

> >the US gets a "next week in Twin Peaks" section at the end 
> >while we get a "last week in Twin Peaks" at the start.
Actually, we get a "previously on Twin Peaks" also (until
ABC killed the show of course).

Rocky Giovinazzo

 Ann Hodgins writes:
  Jeff Davis writes:
  my position was that since Ben Horne was in the process of making a 
  moral choice and that the others were simply enjoyable cartoons, Horne
  was the central -- if not only -- character, as "character" is understood
  within the framework of drama. 
 
  There is something very attractive and interesting about your theory that
 Ben is the only real character in Twin Peaks. I'd like to hear more.
 Is a character one who grows and changes, makes moral choices?

Up until now, Cooper has been making intellectual guesses. "The killer
smokes Kools and lives next to the man in the red house." That sort
of thing. Cooper is Dudley DoRight. Ben had been the moustache twirling
villain. Now Windom Earl has that role. All Windom does is cackle or 
cringe. Ben, to the camera and for our benefit, has remarked that
it is very hard to do right. Not the most illuminating moral statement,
but it indicates that the issue perplexes him. Now, even with the
murder of Laura Palmer, we were not faced with characters struggling
with good & evil. All the good guys did good; all the bad guys did
bad. We were involved in Beat The Clock melodrama. Now, Ben Horne
has been deflated to comic status. He is a hairball. But, by
trying to do the right thing, he SHOULD engage our sympathies. He
didn't make the comment about Good's difficulty to anyone but us.
The Drama isn't great, but it's a break from the auto-pilot
status of everyone else.
-- davis@keats.ca.uky.edu

this is to inform you that twin peaks has been extracted from the line-up.









end

I must confess I'm a TP-addict.
TP is shown on the national station once a week more precise every
Thursday night. I live from thursday to thursday. During an episode
I'm in another world and after I feel so high I can just last another
week and tomorrow it is happening again.

I think we're a few weeks behind you guys over there. Last episode
shown here was the one where Coop and WE were at the RR-cafe at the
same time and Coop saw Annie for the first time. Thats why I have to
watch out not to read to much here in .twin-peaks so that everything's
revealed for me to soon.

DR (the national station that broadcasts TP) have promised to show all
the episodes shown in the States and if it's ending at June 10th we'll
properly end in the beginning of July.

BTW thanks a lot for many good ideas and comments on the show and also
the qoutes posted, I use them whenever I can.

/Lars Flesner
--

In article <C7BE410160201AEF@UMAECS> GIOVIN%HECTOR@ecs.umass.edu (Rocky Giovinazzo) writes:
> >I don't know about the rest of the country, but in western
> >Mass. and southern New Hampshire, the book has yet to be seen
> >because of some problem with the publisher's warehouse in Connecticut.
> >I don't know if this means the rest of New England has also been 
> >"cut off" but that's what my local bookstore clerk told me.
> >The closest warehouse that has the autobiography is apparently
> >in Tennessee.


Well, Coop's autobi is available in Delaware bookstores. I'm willing to
buy and mail copies for others in exchange for cover price and a buck or two
for postage.




-- MUDname: Sidera "...If I seem to give a damn, please tell me. I would University of Delaware hate to be giving the wrong impression."

In article <C7BE410160201AEF@UMAECS> GIOVIN%HECTOR@ecs.umass.edu (Rocky  
Giovinazzo) writes:
> > I don't know about the rest of the country, but in western
> > Mass. and southern New Hampshire, the book has yet to be seen
> > because of some problem with the publisher's warehouse in Connecticut.
> > I don't know if this means the rest of New England has also been 
> > "cut off" but that's what my local bookstore clerk told me.
> > The closest warehouse that has the autobiography is apparently
> > in Tennessee.
> > 
> > Rocky Giovinazzo

He is lying to you. I picked up a copy at the Boston University Bookstore
not three weeks ago. They had at least 10 copies in store.

--
 David E. Coufal                                   coufal@owl.caltech.edu
           "One time I removed all the hair from a mouse 
            with Nair-Hair just to see what it looked like.
            And it looked beautiful." - David K. Lynch

In article <HVH712w164w@halcyon.uucp> halcyon!hikaru@seattleu.edu (Demosthenes) writes:
> >waco@bellevue.hahahaha writes:
> >
>> >> In article <DLBRES10.91Apr28201821@pc.usl.edu>, dlbres10@pc.usl.edu (Fraering
>>> >> >This is in response tto Jeff Davis's post concerning why he thought TP
>>> >> >was failing:
>>> >> > 
>>> >> >So what it basically comes down to, is, Lynch doesn't subscribe
>>> >> >to your view of 'political correctness?'
>>> >> > 
>> >> If I see, hear, or even feel the vibrations in the ether of *any* derivative
>> >> of the phrase politically correct *ONE* more time I am going to scream.
>> >> 
 
That's exactly why I like to use the offending phrase, because it lets
the reader experience the same pain that I feel when I am forced to hear yet 
again, some political line that I'm utterly sick to death of!
 
a.h.

In article <1991Apr30.132513.11169@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
> >Demosthenes writes:
> > waco@bellevue.hahahaha writes:
> > 
> >   Fraering writes: 
> >my position was that since Ben Horne was in the process of making a 
> >moral choice and that the others were simply enjoyable cartoons, Horne
> >was the central -- if not only -- character, as "character" is understood
> >within the framework of drama. 

 There is something very attractive and interesting about your theory that
Ben is the only real character in Twin Peaks. I'd like to hear more.
Is a character one who grows and changes, makes moral choices?
------------------------------------------------------------------------ 

Ann Hodgins                     E Uassiuian is the will to continue
alternat@watdcs.uwaterloo.ca    To laugh, to have fun and to be amazed.

In article <1991May1.162006.5854@ms.uky.edu> fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) writes:
> >
> >Now, Ben Horne
> >has been deflated to comic status. He is a hairball. But, by
> >trying to do the right thing, he SHOULD engage our sympathies. He
> >didn't make the comment about Good's difficulty to anyone but us.
> >The Drama isn't great, but it's a break from the auto-pilot
> >status of everyone else.
 
Ben's characer has become very confusing. In one scene we are made to understand
that Ben's supposed concern with the environment is merely a business ploy.
In another scene he seems to be genuinely struggling to be good.
I enjoy his scenes but until I know where he's coming from, I'll withhold
my sympathies from him.
 
a.h.

In a previous article, alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) says:
> >In article <12818@aggie.ucdavis.edu> ez002797@pollux.ucdavis.edu () writes:
>> >>In article <T9H611w163w@zitt> joe@zitt (Joe Zitt) writes:
>> >>[joe's big hint from the book is] ...
>>> >>>
>> >>Does anyone remember
>> >>the story of D.B. Cooper who pulled off a big bank heist and parachuted
>> >>out of a highjacked jet somewhere over the Pacific Northwest?  He got 
>> >>away.  Joe's prediction of Coop's disappearance brought this back to me.
>> >>
>> >>Comments?  
> >
> >Just adds fuel to my growing conviction that Twin Peaks reality
> >must be either a dream or an alternative reality
> >of some other sort - that what is happening is not going to turn out to
> >be reality as we know it.

Awww...but, that would spoil all the fun.  My life has gotten pretty 
surrealistic lately, and I would hate to have it all be a dream.  

Keith
-- "I sat very still...so that the rat couldn't get to my foot. I couldn't stop thinking of how awful it was going to feel when it closed its jaws around my ankle and bit down...And so...because I knew all he wanted was my foot, _I bit my foot off myself_." From _The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer_ (Jennifer Lynch)

In a previous article, fehr@ms.uky.edu (Jeff Davis) says:
> > Ben, to the camera and for our benefit, has remarked that
> >it is very hard to do right. Not the most illuminating moral statement,
> >but it indicates that the issue perplexes him. Now, even with the
> >murder of Laura Palmer, we were not faced with characters struggling
> >with good & evil. All the good guys did good; all the bad guys did
> >bad. We were involved in Beat The Clock melodrama. Now, Ben Horne
> >has been deflated to comic status. He is a hairball. But, by
> >trying to do the right thing, he SHOULD engage our sympathies. He
> >didn't make the comment about Good's difficulty to anyone but us.
> >The Drama isn't great, but it's a break from the auto-pilot
> >status of everyone else.

This made me think of something.  I'm not sure if it has been mentioned before
or not.  

Anyway, Ben says how it's hard to be good.  He's been doing bad things, but
he wants to be good.  Laura, most evident in the diary, says it's hard to
be good.  She did 'bad' things (according to society...drugs, promiscuity,
etc.).  She wants to be good.  I remember one P.S. statement from her diary
that said something to the effect that she really, really wants to be good.

BOB was plagueing (sp?) Laura, tormenting her until her death.  BOB, in 
essence, was a great deal of the reason why Laura was bad.  She had to die
to escape from being bad.  BOB was in Leland, but never got to Laura, never
got to inhabit Laura, even though that's what, I think, he was trying to do.
BOB appeared to Laura many times by first being outside of her window.

Remember in the last episode how Ben turned around, startled, and looked at
the (was it a window or a door?)?.  Maybe he saw BOB.  Maybe BOB is trying
to get to Ben.  And, while Ben has done bad things in the past, he's going
through one of his try-to-be-good phases.  But, BOB still torments him like
BOB tormented Laura. 

One last thing...I mentioned above how Laura was promiscuous.  As we all know,
so is Ben.  He's slept with his wife (obviously), and he's also slept with
Laura (I'm assuming...he did say once that he loved her...furthering the
Ben/Laura connection), he's slept with Eileen (if he is truly Donna's 
father), he's slept with Catherine, he's probably slept with many a prostitute
from one-eyed Jack's, including Blackie.  And, some have even speculated
that Ben is Laura's father too, furthering the Ben/Laura connection and
adding yet one more person to the list of people that Ben has had sexual
relations with.

I just thought of this...something to play around with  :)

Keith
-- "I sat very still...so that the rat couldn't get to my foot. I couldn't stop thinking of how awful it was going to feel when it closed its jaws around my ankle and bit down...And so...because I knew all he wanted was my foot, _I bit my foot off myself_." From _The Secret Diary of Laura Palmer_ (Jennifer Lynch)

In article <1991May1.181529.25857@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:

> >Ben's characer has become very confusing. In one scene we are made to understand
> >that Ben's supposed concern with the environment is merely a business
ploy.

What scene was this?  That's certainly what Jerry thinks, but is Ben
as cynical as Jerry?  Are we?  Admittedly it's hard to take Ben as
sincere, but that's part of the charm of this story right now--he
doesn't know *how* to be sincere.

> >In another scene he seems to be genuinely struggling to be good.
> >I enjoy his scenes but until I know where he's coming from, I'll withhold
> >my sympathies from him.

Sounds reasonable.  I hope this gets resolved somehow.  But how can
it, really, if it has to be an ongoing struggle, in a two hour
episode?  This raises two distrubing scenarios for me.  In one, Ben's
conversion turns out to be fake, and he goes back to his "evil ways".
Ugh.  In the other, his conversion turns out to be a genuine
road-to-Damascus phenomenon, but the only way the writers can figure
to demonstrate this definitively is to have him give his life for the
good  Saint Ben, martyr to the cause of Goodness.  Double Ugh.

I sure hope the writers are more imaginative than me.




-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Peter--push the plug" --Josie Packard

Note that all three judges have favorite candidates.

Mayor     Lana
Norma     Annie and Shelley
Richard   Lucy

This leads me to predict that it won't be any of the above. Instead, they will
be forced to compromise on someone else.  I don't buy Laura. I would love it to
be Nadine.  To possibilities for a confrontation between her and WE are too
exciting to be thrown away.

I am a little nervous about ruling out Annie because the "Autobiography" makes
it pretty clear that _any_ woman Coop gets involved with is dead meat.  Course
that could happen without her being Miss TP, or, she could be the one to break
the curse.

-Rich Haller

In article <1991May1.184938.12596@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, keb3@po.CWRU.Edu (Keith E. Bitely) writes...
> > 
> >In a previous article, alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) says:
>> >>In article <12818@aggie.ucdavis.edu> ez002797@pollux.ucdavis.edu () writes:
>> >>
>> >>Just adds fuel to my growing conviction that Twin Peaks reality
>> >>must be either a dream or an alternative reality
>> >>of some other sort - that what is happening is not going to turn out to
>> >>be reality as we know it.
> > 
> >Awww...but, that would spoil all the fun.  My life has gotten pretty 
> >surrealistic lately, and I would hate to have it all be a dream.  

Actually....think about it.  This could be a GREAT ending.  The
whole thing hasn't been a DREAM but a VISION.  It's Cooper, 
back in Pittsburgh.  It's happening again...he's having one of
his visions.  Great setup for Twin Peaks -- The Movie.  It's
also a great pun on Dallas which also has ended for good this
season.

What do you peakers think?

Carol

I have the sneaking suspicion that Lana is a ringer.  She seems awfully intent
on becoming Miss TP. It can't be the dough cause we have every reason to
believe she inherited a lot more than $2,000 from Dougie and can get all of
Dwayne's money too, if she wants it. This leads me to suspect that she is
somehow aware of WE's intentions towards Miss TP and intends to thwart him,
perhaps using her special power to cloud men's minds, as it were.  Don't forget
that Dwayne was all set to blow her brains out. That could mean that she is
involved with the same people (?) that the Giant is.

If this is indeed the case, then my previous prediction that she wouldn't be
the winner doesn't look so good.  Maybe they just put Richard in there rather
than some other man whom she might charm because his conflicting interest in
Lucy gives them more to work with.  In that case, Lana wins out and Richard has
some interesting scenes with Lucy when she figures out that Lana vamped him.

-Rich Haller

In article <1DDX11w164w@lablues.UUCP> lazer@lablues.UUCP (Patrick Delahanty) writes:
> >rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu (R o d Johnson) writes:
>> >> In article <FwuT15w164w@lablues.UUCP> lazer@lablues.UUCP (Patrick Delahanty) 
>>> >> >I really don't care for Twin Peaks...maybe because it's so low in the
>>> >> >Nealsons.  I'm a Quantum Leap fan myself!  :)

>> >> So why the hell are you posting in alt.tv.twin-peaks?

> >Because there's no Quantum Leap or Back to the Future newsgroup!  :)
> >THAT'S why!  :)

Makes sense.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go post some questions about the
Hubble Space Telescope in rec.aquaria.




-- Rod Johnson * rjohnson@vela.acs.oakland.edu * (313) 650 2315 "Peter--push the plug" --Josie Packard

"I just typed sex instead of next..."

Well, he does mention meet and breasts.  Maybe that is why you got so
flustered.

In article <XQD2JKP@cs.swarthmore.edu> plummer@cs.swarthmore.edu (David Barker-Plummer) writes:
> >
> >Before you guys get too carried away.  Remember that TP is *pretty
> >unusual* for U.S. television.  I haven't lived in the U.K. for five
> >years now but despite this recent controversy, British T.V.
> >characteristically plays a *much* broader spectrum of programmes 95%
> >of which are more innovative than 99% of the garbage that appears over
> >here.  
> >
> >-- Dave

Bah humbug.  Dave, I'm surprised that you, as an ex-Brit, would perpetuate
this myth.  Now granted, I've only visited the UK off and on for about 5
years, and traded tapes with a friend there, and kept track of Time Out
off and on during this time... I have not lived there full time, ever.
However, I've been into video home recording since about 1976 (started with
a 3/4" machine), and have been a great fan of British humor and tacky
science fiction since the beginning.  And, when I first starting visiting
England, BOY was I surprised... the television there is largely as 
mind-numbingly boring as it is here in the US.  There are *delightful*
exceptions, of course (and I'll spare everyone the littany of wonderful
British shows that most folks know about)!  But, by and large, we do get
the cream of the crop, though we do have to pay attention to PBS, Brit-fests
on independent stations, and other odd sources to get to see them.

I think the type of boring-ness is, perhaps, a bit different, and US sitcoms
are a horror peculiar to this country.  But we've got nothing over the UK
when it comes to vapid morning talk-shows, and I think Britain wins hands-down
when it comes to sleep-inducing documentaries (rivaled only by Canadian
specials on sharks or the mating habits of hedgehogs :-).

I'd hate to try to determine realistic percentages, but I doubt if more than
about, say, 2% of US broadcasting is really "good" (by the standards of the
readers of this newsgroup, for example), and, to be kind, 2.5% of UK
broadcasting is really "good".  There's actually so much more US airtime
involved, that I suspect the US percentage might be even smaller than this,
but if we confined ourselves to the 4 networks here, then we'd probably be
comparing apples and apples.

Trouble is, with percentages this low, an extra good show or two in a given
season can sway the statistics!  God I loved the Comic Strip, and wish it
had been aired over here by a more reliable programmer than MTV!!

Ob TP content: already covered by the Canadian special on sharks:-)
Also, there's a third Twin Peaks Dance-Mix 12" single.  Full info to
follow in another posting.  Keeps repeating "I know who the marderer (sic)
is...", but never says it.  It does however say something like "There's a
secret diary that Laura Palmer kept, with all her personal thoughts in it,
and it has the initials of the marderer (sic) on it..."  Hee hee.
-- -larryy@apple.com "You wouldn't recognize a *subtle plan* if it painted itself purple, and danced naked upon a harpsichord, singing, 'Subtle Plans are Here Again'." - Edmund Blackadder

  1.  Twin Peaks        Killed Laura Palmer, Madeline Furgeson, Theresa Banks,
                        Jacques Renault, and probably others I can't recall
  2.  Robocop           Killed Robocop (or, rather, the guy who becomes him)
  3.  Moonlighting      Kills a cop, tries to kill Maddie
  4.  Star Trek, TNG    Shoots Picard with a crossbow bolt

  Isn't there a trend here?  Who says Leland as a murderer is like a random sel
ection from among the suspects?  He has killed before, in previous Hollywood li
ves!

  BTW, I still have to check on Eileen walking in that photo and her last name
on the birth certificate.  If ABC could get it in gear, we've got plot possibil
ities next season...

  Too tired for a sig today,                Kyle R. Krom krk4@psuvm.psu.edu

> >From: plummer@cs.swarthmore.edu (David Barker-Plummer)
> >Subject: Re: UK Broadcasting standards Council...
> >Before you guys get too carried away.  Remember that TP is *pretty
> >unusual* for U.S. television.  I haven't lived in the U.K. for five
> >years now but despite this recent controversy, British T.V.
> >characteristically plays a *much* broader spectrum of programmes 95%
> >of which are more innovative than 99% of the garbage that appears over
> >here.  
Of course British television is characteristically better, but
the "attack on Madeline" scene is one of the most amazing and thrilling
few minutes of television or cinema I have ever run across.  To say that
such excellent work was unfit for viewing is *ridiculous*.
Thank God no one discovered it early enough to censor it.

Rocky Giovinazzo

Interesting that the British have a version in which Maddy receives
"several" blows to the face, and has her face "slashed" until it is
running with blood.  My recollection is of one blow to the face, and
of a little blood on her face after being hurled into the wall.  No
slashing.  Leland got on with putting the letter under her nail.  Can
it be that the UK has a different version, one not censored for US TV?
Will the complications of versions never cease?  Sahll we ever see
that British pilot?

In article <1991May1.160802.18991@watserv1.waterloo.edu> alternat@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Ann Hodgins) writes:
> >In article <1343@psych.stanford.edu> slab@psych.Stanford.EDU (Stephen LaBerge) writes:
>> >>I don't think anyone has previously identified the source of 
>> >>Wily Wyndom's incantation. It's from one of W. B. Yeats's most 
>> >>recondite collections of poems, the "Supernatural Songs."
>> >>The complete quote is as follows:
>> >>
>> >>   Conjunctions
>> >>
>> >>   If Jupiter and Saturn meet,
>> >>   What a crop of mummy wheat!
>> >>
>> >>   The sword's a cross; thereon He died:
>> >>   On breast of Mars the Goddess sighed.
>> >>
> >
> >I love W.B. Yeat's so I'll play with him. Hmmmm. What does he mean?
> > 
> >Saturn is often portrayed with a sickle and is sometimes understood as
> >the "grim reaper".  Jupiter is the planet meaning fruitful abundance,
> >generosity overflowing and is the patron of Christmas gift giving.
> >So maybe Jupiter is growth and Saturn is harvest, which together is good
> >for humanity.
> >Mummery is role playing (I think) and wheat is many things.
> >Remember the use of wheat in Bergman's films?
> > 
> >Anyway, the next two lines have even me stumped. 

Okay, here's another pass at interpretation:
"If Jupiter and Saturn meet,
 What a crop of mummy wheat!"
Your comment about Jupiter's growth and Saturn's harvest being a good
combination spurred me to think:  yes, but only if they play their roles
successively.  Using growth and harvest as the metaphor, should they
"meet", then what a worthless crop would be obtained.  Which crop could
be likened to dead food, or food for the dead (as it certainly wouldn't
have any value to the living), hence "mummy wheat".

"The sword's a cross; thereon He died:
 On breast of Mars the Goddess sighed."
Well, the title is "Conjunctions".  So when might and right coincide,
that is, when the sword and cross are indeed one, trouble, even death,
ensues.  I suppose you could relate Saturn with the sword (though this
is more typically Mars), and Jupiter with the cross (you mentioned
Christmas gift giving), so the first phrase is a summary statement
that the first two lines are now to be assumed to be true (at least
for the rest of these second two lines).  And, given this dangerous
state, terrible consequences ensue:  *the* savior (I'm not Christian,
personally, just noting that "He" is capitalized) dies.  The Goddess,
another symbol for goodness and balance, is saddened, and takes solace
by leaning on the chest of Mars.  This last image, though understandable
on a surface level, leaves me puzzled:  Mars is usually a symbol of war
and fighting - a better fit to the sword than Jupiter - so why does the
Goddess take solace with him?  Is she in fact taking solace from the
murderer of Christ?  Or is she just leaning on another, strong god from
the pantheon?

Poets write for other poets, just as many writers practice their craft for
other writers, and artists paint for other artists.  A long history and set
of symbols and myths are assumed and willfully invoked, that mere mortals
may never be privy to.  (Of course, they never could cure an illness or
design a plane or recognize a for-loop if they ran into it repeatedly :-)
But, anyway, if there are any literature majors or full-time poets out
there, maybe they can provide a bit more insight?

Whether this relates to the impending plot-line of TP, of course, is not
really knowable.  I mean we all use lifted quotations with some frequency,
whether the rest of the work being quoted has any bearing on the
conversation.  I certainly quote Shakespeare's "First we kill all the
lawyers..." fairly often :-)

However, when I asked that question about the Goddess taking solace from the
murderer of Christ, I did get an impression of Annie leaning on the
breast of Windom Earle after he has killed Dale... I didn't like it, on a lot
of levels, one of which is that I still subscribe to the theory that Annie is
basically an innocent in the mold of Cooper, not an agent of the Black Lodge
as some would have her.  But then we'll have to wait and see, won't we?!

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bmo1@ra.MsState.Edu (CrayDeath) writes:

> > This theoretical "editor" is also missing some "critical information" that he
> > would have been able to get whether Coop lives or not.  As in, all the tapes
> > that he made during the Twin Peaks period.  I think Joe is just reading too
> > much into the fact that the book ends where the show begins.

I took for granted that it ended where the show began. What surprised me were
the missing years and other blurry gaps.

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In article <52299@apple.Apple.COM> larryy@Apple.COM (Larry Yaeger) writes:

   "The sword's a cross; thereon He died:
    On breast of Mars the Goddess sighed."
   [...]  The Goddess,
   another symbol for goodness and balance, is saddened, and takes solace
   by leaning on the chest of Mars.  This last image, though understandable
   on a surface level, leaves me puzzled:  Mars is usually a symbol of war
   and fighting - a better fit to the sword than Jupiter - so why does the
   Goddess take solace with him?  Is she in fact taking solace from the
   murderer of Christ?  Or is she just leaning on another, strong god from
   the pantheon?

I believe there was one myth, the details of which I forget, in which
Venus, who was married to Vulcan, was having an affair with Mars.  All I
remember is something about how Vulcan thought of some trick for
catching them.

Muffy

Hi,

I've been watching TP for some time now on BBC, and I would like to
know how many episodes there are (at least) left.
The last episode I saw was 2015 - 2/9/21 in the US 
(in which Ben gets his wits back), what is the last episode that
will probably be broadcasted in the US?

something else: Thomas Eckhardt and the woman with him speak 
south-afrikaans in one episode. I have not yet seen a translation
of what they were saying. I live in the Netherlands and dutch is 
quite similar to south-afrikaans, so I will give it a try:

TE: ze ... voorspelbaar ...
Woman: Ik had je gewaarschuw haar niet te vertrouwen nie.

translation:
TE: she [Josie] ... predictable ...
Woman: I've warned you not to trust her.

The ... parts were unintelligible for me.
Hope this helps,

Robert Sanders,
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> > 
> > 
> > I HAVE SEEN DIANE!!!!!
> > 
> > 
> > Yes folks, Diane puts in a weekly appearance here in the UK on ITV`s
> > "The Chief". She is working as Chief Constable John Stafford`s secretary
> > in the Eastland Constabulary`s HQ. I`m just waiting for the Chief to
> > whip out a portable tape recorder......
> > 
> > Paul R. Grove.
> > University of Keele, UK.
> > 
> > iru03@seq1.keele.ac.uk
> > 
> > 
> >

> > 
> > 
> > For your information, the murder of Maddie was shown uncut on the BBC
> > (after 9pm) - I think that quite a few people found it OTT, though there
> > were no "official" complaints.
> > 
> > Paul R. Grove.
> > 
> > University of Keele, UK
> > 
> > iru03@seq1.keele.ac.uk
> > 
> > 
> >

> > 
> > I have been away for several weeks, and I was wondering if somebody out
> > there could bring me up to date:-
> > 
> > - - Have they started re-filming TP, and how many more episodes are there
> > going to be?
> > 
> > - - Have just seen the Keaton edition - not bad I suppose, but what ever
> > happened to the one armed man?
> > 
> > - - When Coop was trying to find who BOB was in the Great Northern, by
> > using the one armed man, why were all those nay people doing there, and
> > what were they doing with the balls?
> > 
> > - - Why am I increasingly getting the feeling that we are going to see
> > Laura Palmer again?
> > 
> > - - NEWSWEEK stated that one of the major female characters is about to
> > come to a nasty end - if so, who and when?
> > 
> > - - Where did BOB go after Leland`s death?
> > 
> > - - Has anyone given any further thought to my theory that BOB=Dwarf, and
> > the One Armed Man=Giant?
> > 
> > - - Did anyone notice the similarity between the Major`s re-appearance in
> > flying gear and similar scenes in Close Encounters of the Third Kind
> > (the appearance of missing pilots)?
> > 
> > - - Can someone put forward a credible theory as to Josie`s strange
> > behaviour in the opening sequence of the very first episode before the
> > discovery of Laura`s body?
> > 
> > - - Just before the Major disappears from the campsite where he had been
> > with Coop, we see a figure bathed in white light - who is he/she?
> > 
> > - - Any advances as to whose shadow it was behind the curtain in Coop`s
> > dream sequence?
> > 
> > 
> > Going back to my theory that BOB=the dwarf, compare, if you can, the
> > behaviour of the dwarf in the dream sequence with Lelands (constantly
> > dancing), and the similarity of the camera shot when the dwarf, with his
> > back to the camera, "laughs", and Leland laughing when he hears that Ben
> > has been arrested (as seen by Coop).
> > 
> > Theory - Coop`s dream sequence was in the Black Lodge, with BOB/dwarf,
> > and Laura. Conclusion - will things end with Coop entering into the
> > Black Lodge to release Laura - perhaps involving his death?
> > 
> > Answers/thoughts to:
> > 
> > Paul Grove
> > 
> > iru03@keele.seq1.ac.uk
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >

I've been away from the newsgroup for a while and missed information on
how to get the TP_Gazette.  I'd REALLY APPRECIATE someone reposting the
info on how to sign up.

Thanks.

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Hi all,

   I am missing a few tapes from both seasons.  Anyone willing to part with 
copies for postage and price of the tapes? 

   Please e-mail me at the following address: 

hoepfner@heasfs.gsfc.nasa.gov 
Patrick Hoepfner 
(703)281-5890